Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 25481, for Peter V Tilyou, New Jersey
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New Jersey       Tilyou, Peter V.       W25481
New York                  Sarah        B.L.Wt.34929-160-55
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1432
 New York
Peter V. Tilyou
In N. York City in the State of New York who was a Private in the Company commanded by Captain Patterson of the Regt commanded by Col. Dayton in the New Jersey line for 9 month,

Inscribed on the Roll of New York  at the rate of - 30 Dollars - per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1834.

A Certificate of Pension issued the 3rd day of November 1832 and sent to Mr. Heming, War Dep.

Arrears to 4th of Sept 1832              $45.00
Semi=anl allowance ending 4Mar'33 15.00
                                                             $60.00
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5346
New York City
Sarah Tilyou widow of NJ Peter V Tilyou who served in the Revolutionary war, as a Private

Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 30 dollars oo cents per annum, to commence on the 3d February, 1853.
Certifcate of Pension issued 18th day of July 1853 and sent to C.W. Smith
New York City

Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under February 3, 1853 Page 28 Vol
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187055  A N Mar 3
 July 11 55
Sarah Tilyou  widow of Peter V Tilyou
 Sarah wid: Peter V. Tilyou.
  Pri:

Rev. War.
Revol.y Pensioner
? Act July 7th 1832
N.Y. agency
  Feby 53 - 5346
Ad: 160 acr  July 24/56
 Boynton

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Calvin W Smith
New York City  N.Y.

C.O. Smith July 2/56 [Ads?] for
 Al?: of off: ch: of Comr of Deeds
"        "      18/56
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United States of America
State, City & County of New York } ss

On the twenty second day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two personally appeared before the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas in & for the city & county of New York in open Court Peter V Tilyou at present a resident in the City of New York within the State of New York aged Seventy six years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the Pensioner Act made by the Act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States by the name of Peter Tilyou in the year one thousand seven hundred and seventy eight, in the Company of Captain Thomas Patterson and served for nine months in the Third Regiment of the New jersey line, commanded by Col. Elias
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Dayton of Elizabethtown. That previous to such enlistment he resided in the township of Westfield Essex County in the State of New Jersey; that the Company and Regiment to which he was attached formed part of the Brigade of Gen. Maxwell; That he marched with the army then under the immediate command of General Washington, through different parts of New Jersey and was engaged with it, in the Battles of Monmouth, Crosswick & Elizabethtown. That after serving the full term of his enlistment he was regularly Discharged but this discharge he has lost_ and this Defendent further states that Lieutenants Newcastle & McKensey were Subaltern officers in Captain Patterson's Company and that the engagement at Crosswicks  was merely a slight skirmish which occurred during the march of the army from Philadelphia, a few days before the Battle of Mon-
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- mouth, and this Deponent further states that he was baptised by the name of Peter without any intermediate Letter and that after the war he used the letter "V" to distinguish him from others of the same name, and this Deponent lastly states that to the best of his recollection  he enlisted in the month of May 1778 and he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any agency in any State.

Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.? Asten (sig)
Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the City-County of New York

Peter V. Tilyou (sig)

And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he stated
Jno J Homer (sig)
Judge of the Court of Com Pleas for the City and County of New York
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City & County of New York Ss. I Abraham Asten Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the City & County of New York do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of Peter V. Tilyou for a Pension.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal of Office this twenty Second day of September in the year 1832 -

Abr Asten Clk of the Court of Com. Pleas City & County of New York

[Along left hand margin]: Peter V. Tilyou's applicat [application] for a Pension
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NO. 709
Claim of Peter V. Tilyou
by his widow
Sarah Tilyou
Original
__________________

187.050

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Presented by
Calvin W. Smith
New York City
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State of New York
City & County of N.York} SS   On this 21st day of June A.D. 1855 personally came before me a Commissioner of Deeds in and for the County and State aforesaid Sarah Tilyou who being by me duly sworn according to law deposes and says that she resides at No. 75 Essex Street New York City in the State of New York aged 75 years. That she is the widow of Peter V. Tilyou deceased who was a pensioner under the act of July 7th 1832, receiving a Pension of Thirty Dollars per annum. The same being paid at the agency in the city of New York in consideration of his military services during the American Revolution during which he served a period of fourteen days and upwards.

She further states that she was married  to the said Peter V. Tilyou in New York City on the twelfth  day of February A.D. 1825 before Mr. Stillwell a clergyman, and that her name before said marriage was Sarah Ingersole, that her said husband died in the city of New York on the fourth day of May A.D. 1846 and that she is now his widow and has not married since, knows of no record of her said marriage and has neither applied for or received under this or any other Act of Congress any Bounty Land warrant. She makes this application for the purpose of obtaining the Bounty Land to which she may be entitled under the act approved March 3, 1855.

    Her
Sarah X Tilyou
    Mark
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We Calvin W. Smith and Elijah A. Gould residents of New York City in the state of New York upon our oaths declare that the foregoing Declaration was signed and acknowledged by Sarah Tilyou in our presence and that we believe from the appearance and statements of applicant she is the identical person she represents herself to be.

        Calvin W. Smith 
        E.A. Gould 

The foregoing ^ Declaration and affidavit was sworn to and subscribed before me on this day and year within written and I certify that I know the applicants to be credible persons. That the claimant is the person she represents herself to be; and that I have no interest in this claim_

        D. Randell 
        Comissr [Commissioner] of Deeds
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State New-York
City and County of New-York } SS

On this 22nd day of June A.D.1855 personally came before me, a David Randell, a Commissioner of Deeds in and for the County and State aforesaid, James Berry and Louisa Ann Ingersoll who being by me severally duly sworn according to law, depose and say: That the said James Berry says he resides at Bushwick Long Island Kings County State of New York aged 54 years and the said Louisa Ann Ingersoll says she resides at Brooklyn Kings County State of New York aged 43 years and they both say they are well acquainted with Sarah Tilyou widow of Peter V. Tilyou deceased, that she is the identical person who signed the annexed application for Bounty Land. They further say they were also well acquainted with her said husband in his lifetime and knew them living together as husband and wife. The said James Berry says from the date of this said marriage to the death of the said Peter v. Tilyou and the said Louise Ann Ingersoll says for this same period of time when they both say they were present at his funeral: saw him a corpse, and know him to be dead. They further say, they know the said Sarah Tilyou to be a mother of no children by said marriage, sustaining an irreproachable character as [mother-crossed out] wife and widow, which she has remained since the death of her said husband, and has not  married since; and that they have no interest in her claim to Bounty Land.

           James Berry (sig)
           Louisa A. Ingersoll (sig)
ATTEST.

D. Randell
_________________________________________________

State of New York
City and County of New-York} SS
I, David Randell a Commissioner of deeds, within and for the County and State aforesaid, Do hereby Certify that James Berry and Louisa Ann Ingersoll are known to me and that I believe them to be credible witnesses and entitled to belief-
In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto subscribed my Name [and affixed my Notarial Seal of Office- crossed out] the day and year first above written _

D. Randell [Notary Public - crossed out]
Commissioner of Deeds
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Claim of 
Peter V. Tilyou
by his widow
Sarah Tilyou
for Pension under the Act of February 3d 1853
Revolutionary




Presented by
Calvin W. Smith
New York City
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State of New York,
City and County of New York, } SS

I, RICHARD B. CONNOLLY, Clerk of the City and County of New York and also Clerk of the Supreme Court for the said City and County, being a Court of Record, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That S.B. Woodruff before whom the annexed deposition was taken, was at the time of taking the same, Judge of the Court of Common Pleas for said City and County, duly [appointed-crossed out] ^elected Judge of the Court of Common Pleas and sworn, and that his signature thereto is genuine as I verily believe.

In Testimony Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of the said Court and County, the 10th day of July 1855

Richard B. Connolly  Clerk
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State of New York
City and County of N. York} SS    On this twenty-first dayof June A.D. One thousand eighthundred and fifty five, personally appeared before the Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of the City, County and State of New York Sarah Tilyou, a resident of No. 75 Essex Street in the aforesaid City aged seventy five years, who first being duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the pension made by the Act of Congress passed on the 3rd day of February A.D. 1853, granting pensions to widows of persons who served in the Revolutionary War. That she is the widow of Peter V. Tilyou, deceased, who was pensioner under the Act of Congress passed the seventhth day of July A.D. 1832, and was paid an annual pension of Thirty Dollars per annum at the agency in the City of New York.

She further declares that she was married to said Peter V. Tilyou in the aforesaid city on the twelfth day of February A.D. One thousand eight hundred and twenty-five and that her said husband died in the aforesaid city on the fourth day of May A.D. One thousand eight hundred and forty six, that she was not married to him prior to the second day of January eighteen hundred but at the time above stated. She further declares she is now a widow

                                  here
                          Sarah X Tilyou
                                  mark
S. Woodruff
Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the City, County and State of New York
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State of New York
City and County of New York }SS
            On this 22 day of June 1855, personally came before me, David Randell a Commissioner of deeds in and for the City County and State aforesaid, James Berry and Louisa Ann Ingersoll who being by me duly sworn and severally sworn according to law depose and say. The said James Berry for himself says he resides at Bushwick Kings County State of New York aged Fifty four years_and the said Louisa Ann Ingersoll for herself says she resides at Brooklyn Kings County State of New York in the state aforesaid aged forty three years. And they both say they farewell acquainted with Sarah Tilyou widow of Peter V. Tilyou deceased. That they were present and witnessed the marriage of the said Sarah and Peter V. Tilyou in Division Street in the City of New York on the twelfth day of February A.D. 1835. They further say they knew the said Sarah and Peter V, Tilyou living together as husband and wife from the time of their said marriages as aforesaid. Until the death of the said Peter V. Tilyou, when they both say they were present at his funeral and know him to be dead. They further say they know the said Peter V. Tilyou drawing a pension of Thirty Dollars per year from the Government of the United States for his Military services during the American Revolution. They further say they know the said Sarah Tilyou to be the mother of no children by said marriage sustaining an irreproachable character as wife and widow which she has sustained since the death of her said husband and has not married since and that they have no interest            (turn over)
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whatever in her claims to Bounty Lands or Pension ____
           Louisa A. Ingersoll 
          James Berry 
 D. Randall

State of New York
City & County of New York } SS
            I David Randall a Commissioner of deeds within and for the County and State aforesaid do hereby certify that James Berry and Louisa Ann Ingersoll subscribed the above deposition before me, and severally made oath according to law, that the matters therein written is true. and that the said James Berry and Louisa Ann Ingersoll are known to me and that I believe them to be credible witnesses and entitled to belief -
In witness whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name this 22nd day of June 1855 -

                                       D. Randall
                
                              Comissr of Deeds
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This Bureau can furnish the military
record of only such Revolutionary soldiers
as were pensioned or whose widows were
pensioned for their services.
such of the original muster and pay
rolls of the Revolutionary War and the
War of 1812 as are now in the possession
of the Government are on file in the
Record and Pension Office, War Department
. Original rolls and other records
pertaining to service in the Revolution
ary War may also be found on file in the
archives of many of the original States.

O. W. & N. DIV.
REVOLUTIONARY.

L. W. B.
W. 25481.

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS,
WASHINGTON, D. C.,
 April 17, 1899.
Madam:-

In response to your recent communications you are advised
that Peter V. Tilyou made an application for pension on September 22nd,
1832, at which time he was 76 years of age and residing in the City of
New York, and his pension was allowed for nine months' actual service
as a private in the New Jersey troops, Revolutionary war. He enlisted
from Westfield, Essex County, New Jersey, and served under Capt. Thomas
Patterson and Col. Elias Dayton.
His widow, Sarah, made application and received a pension
for the service of her husband as above set forth.
Very respectfully,
Commissioner.

Mrs. O. R. Ingersoll,
1327 Whitney Avenue, N.W.,
Washington, D. C.
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Muster Roll of the levies in the first Regiment of Malitia [Militia] in the State of New Jersey in Essex County and township of Elizabeth commanded by Col Samuel Potter Esqr together with their names & description.
 May 2d 1778
Persons Names|What class belonging| Time of entering| Age|Feet high|inches|Where born|Complexn|Eyes|To what Compy belonging

30 Peter Tilyou  4  7 May  Age 20  5 feet 4 inches  born New York Complexion L?  Eyes L?  Cap Laing

State of New Jersey
 I Charles G. McChesney Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true abstract from a paper headed as above, as taken from and compared with the original now on file in my office.
  In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of Office at Trenton in said State this twenty fifth day of September A.D. One thousand eight hundred and forty three.
  Charles G. McChesney
 Secy of State
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Ho: of Reps: June 11. 1844
Jas. L. Edwards Esq
Commissioner of Pensions
 sir
 I take the liberty to enclose a communication from Mr Lay of N.Y. in relation to your decision upon the application of Peter V. Tilyou -
 In submitting this letter I beg not to be understood as approving of the tone of Mr Lay's letter, nor of his arguments, as I know nothing of the  [?nts] of the claim further than appears from the papers that have passed through my hands -
 with much respect
 Your ob Srvt
  Hamilton Fish
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J.L. Edwards
Commissr of Pensions
Washington D.C.
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                                 New York August 15, 1844.
Sir.

     As intimated in your letter to me of the 5th July last in the case of Peter V Tilyou, that the records in the Executive Office of the State would probably afford proof of the services of the claimants officers, and probably of his services also. I herewith enclose to you the result of such applications.
     In your letter of the 27 ult. you say this claimant is asserting a claim for services credited to a person by the same name as the records of New Jersey. In reply I would respectfully inform you that such is not the case for at the time Mr. Tilyou asserted this claim he was ignorant of the fact that his name  of appears at all on such records -
     You also say this claim is contradicted or discredited in consequence of his failure to state his service at length in his original declarations as you say the regulations say that by reference to the regulations, I find that as his Attorney elected for him to apply for a pension for his Continental services, the regulations do not require him to state his services in the State Troops and Militia in the same declarations. Nor does it require him to make two declarations. I think the regulations when applied to his case, as it was in 1832, is materially defective, in not pointing out the proper words for such a claimant to pursue to obtain the full benefits of the law.
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You also say he cannot be allowed for the proof furnished by the records of New Jersey, for the reason that he says he has a namesake. Between the close of the War and the year 1832 I do not think that is at all strange for a man who has resided in this great City for forty five years to find a namesake. I think you cannot fail to see that such an event is highly probable, but that it should follow that his namesake was a soldier in New Jersey. I doubt not you will at the same time consider very improbable, that persons of the same name and on whose account he added the distinguishing letter V. resides in the State during the War and was not of sufficient age to perform any service in that war and he has now been dead some years _

                                      I am very respectfully
                                       Your obed Servt
                                          C A Day

J L Edwards Esq
Commiss of Pensions}
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J.L. Edwards Esqr
Commissr of Pensions
Washington
[on side]
Oct 7 1844
Resp Peter V. Tilyou
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New York October 5th 1844
I have the honor to inform you that your letter of the 2d inst in the
can of Peter Tilyou has been duly received. You say that the negative
[illegible] in his case, drawn from the archives at Albany has been pled
I dont understand what you mean by the negative proof the proof
from Albany transmitted by me in his case, was of an affirmation character.
I shewed that Allen and Brassier, under whom Mr Tilyou says that
he served nine month in 1776 were appointed by the competent
authority office in Colonel Malcoms Regiment in that year. It is
time it is stated in the certificates that there is no evidence of the service
of the officers, nor is there my evidence of the service of any
other officers in that year beyond their appointment; nor is there
any evidence of the service of any soldiers in such service in
that year at Albany, nor in any other place to my knowledged
The department should not ought to discredit his claim for a
pension for his services in the State Troops and Militia, on the ground
that he omited in his original declaration to state such service for
the regulations to carry into effect the law of 7th June 1832, is materially
direction in not pointing out the necessity for a claimant, who had
served less that I year in Continental line, to have stated in the same
declaration his services in the other Troops also, if he had performed
other service, or by directing him in such a case to make another
declaration in accordance with the form prescribed for such claimant
His failure to have all his services stated in his original declaration
is most undoubtedly attributable to the regulations, but as the author
of it is dead, the last cannot be shown in evidence
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The regulations points out but our form of a declaration for a claim
and to make, who claims a pension under this law, if he served in
continental line and by a strict compliance with the rule is prevented
from setting out his services other than in Continental line. If he was
for
assenting a claim an increas for services in continental line, the Dept
would be justified in viewing it with distrust but I do think that
under the circumstances the Dept should ought to view this case in
the same light as the it had now been presented for the first time
immediatly after the passage of the law, as he believed that he was
receiving all the pension that he was by law entitled until I informed him to the contrary at the time he made this claim for
was A Tillyou says that when he made his original application
he had the affidavits of his his brother John Tilyou and John
lately and John Van Isdale, and Daniel Ringon, to his services
which he gave to his then Attorney, from which it is infered that
they are with his original papers in your office and if they are
they will undoubtedly afford proof that he served as he states.
in Col Malcoms Regt in 1776, as he says his said brother and
Vanosdale were with him in the same Regiment, in that year.
The Department requires proof that he is the identical person who
is credited with service in the Essex County Militia for the re
son that he says that between the close of the War and 1832 he
changed his name by inserting the distinguish letter to distinguish him from another of the same name. It is very desirable
to know what kind of proof could now be found of that full
beyond the proof which is allready adduced. The deportments ad
unto that this same identical claimant was an Essex County
Militia Man in May 1778 and the Dept does not shurely require
that we shall prove a fact that it has admited. No other
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proof of identity could be found but of the fact, that he said
in the Essex County Militia and that is acknowledged, as
you will receive by reference to your letter of 31st of May last, and
the Certificate of the Secretary of New Jersey refered to in the second
paragraph in that letter. Such proof is direct, and admit of no
misapprehension, and no question as to identity. It appears to me to
be exactly the proof required, and that proof is so connected with the
service that he now receives a pension for that it forms a link
and it make no difference if there was any number of soldier
of the same name in service in that county they could not
show so good a title to it as he does-- The person in whose
amount he inserted the V. was a consin of his and was
burn in the War and was not within the State of New Jersey
at all during the war; Monover Mr Gilman is not assig of my
claim as is alleged for service credited to him or
soldier on the boards, for at the time he assisted
it was not known that the records afforded any such
evidence. All Mr Tilyan wants is simply what the laws of his
country declare that he shall be entitled to received. If the Executive
in prescribing the regitations to carry into effect this laws-- overlooked
such a case as this, "which it is evident that it did, it is certainly
not right that such claimants, should ought to loose them pension.
or any part of it, by such right.
Very respectfully
Your Obet Set
A Lay
I, &
Com
Edwards Esq.
ness of Pensions
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Hon Hamilton Fish
House of Representatives
Washington DC
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New York, May 25th 1844.
Sir
I have the honor to inform you that on the 7th of
October last, I transmited "at the request of Mr Peter V. Tilyou
certain papers of his upon which he claimed an increased allowance
of his pension, to the Commissioner of Pensions and upon which my
action has as yet been made. You will therefore confer a favor by
urging the attention of the Commissioner to the case, as such delay
is certainly unwarantable I have not the honor of your aquaintants, consequently shall have to refer you to the Hon. G. Leonard for fence
if any is necessary to secure your assistance, the old gentleman at
appears served various and numerous different periods of service
during the Revolutionary was amounting in the aggregate to about
three years, and it appear he has not received but $30 per annum
which appear to have been allowed for one period of his service only
I have the honor to be
very respectfully
Your Obt Sert
C.A. Pays

Hon Hamilton Fish
House of Representations
Washington D.C.
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J L Edwards Esquire
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D.C.

July 11 44
Peter V Tilyou
NY
[illegible]
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                            New York July 9, 1844.
Sir,

     I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your late letter of the 5th instant in the case of Peter V. Tilyou, by which I understand that you adhere to your former decision, in with holding from him the benefit of the proof he has addressed in support of his claim, on the grounds that he added the distinguishing letter V to his name, in order to distinguish him from others. We certainly cannot show that Peter V. Tilyou rendered any service in the War as he told you that he did not add the V to his name until after the War. And if we should go to the expense of furnishing more proof of his alleged service you can, and I suppose would resist it on the same grounds that you do that already furnished  - A return of Mr. Peter V. Tilyous original pension certificate is desired,


              I have the honor to be
              very respectfully
                      Your Obedient Servant
                              C. A. Lay
J.L Edwards Esquire
Commissioner of Pensions}
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J.L. Edwards Esquire
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D C.
[on side]
June 22 44
Peter V Tilyou
 N.Y. [?]

[postal mark] NEW  JUN 20
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                                    New York June 20th 1844

Sir,

     I have the honor to inform you that the information in relation to the original declaration of Peter v. Tilyou requested to be furnished by my letter of 14th instant, is wanted for the purpose of ascertaining whether his declaration had been changed from the Act of 18th March 1818, to the Act of 7th of June 1832. If such an alteration has been made it is a forgery, as Mr. Tilyou made his said declaration just before the passage of the Act of May the 1st 1820, which cut him off from the benefit of the law of 1818, and he says he kept his papers and applied with them for, and obtained, the pension of $30 per Annum. Now, in your letter of the 31st ult in his case you say,that his declaration showes that the author of it had the regulations which pointed out the necessity of a particular statement of all the service rendered ------
Hence it is inferred that his declaration has been altered, and if it should so appear and he can find the person who perpetrated it he is determined to prosecute him, which purpose the inquiry is made.

                       I have the honor to be
                       very respectfully your obed
                        C A Lay

J L Edwards Esquire
Commissioner of Pension
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     House of Representatives May 27. 1844

Jas. L. Edwards Esq.
Commissioner of Pension.

Sir,

I beg leave to enclose a letter I have this day received from C. A. Lay Esq. making inquiry respecting a claim of Peter V. Tilyou . 
Will you do me the favor to inform me what is the present situation of this claim.

                   With much respect I am Sir
                    Your very obed Servant
             
                               Hamilton Fish
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                                  New York October 7 - 1843.

Sir,

    Enclosed is the application of Mr. Peter V. Tilyou for an increased allowance of his pension, together with such proof to sustain his alleged service, as the Sect of New Jersey informed me could be found in his office in support thereof. The Secretary of N.Jersey informed me that his record offers no proof of the privates of the 3rd Jersey Regiment, nor of the privates of the Militia, who served before Nov. 1779. Therefore Mr. Tilyou relays first that his 9 month service in 1776 in the 2nd New York Regt has been heretofore proven - There is support of his 3, and nine months service in Col. Daytons Regt in 1777&78.  He relys [relies] on the Notes in the Department, then in support of of his alleged service under Capts. Freeman and Randolph - he relys [relies] on the certificates of the Secretary of New Jersey to afford the required proof. Mr. Peter V. Tilyou is a man of the highest respectability- and there is no reason to doubt the truth of his statement which he made with great care.

                                       I am respectfully
                                          Your Obed Servt
                                          C. A Lay

J. L Edwards Esquire
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington
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                               New York Dec 30. 1846

Sir

                    Enclosed is additional evidence in the case of Peter V. Tilyou for increased allowance of his pension. This evidence is relyed on to overcome all the difficulties in this case.  As the only objection raised by D. Crumpe in his late examinations of the case was that it might have been predicated on the very evidence that had been addressed in support of it. This evidence is relyed on to dispel such an inference.

            Very respectfully
                              Your most obed Servt
                                C A Lay
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10
C.A. Lay Esqr
New York City
[postal mark] TRENTON N.J. DEC 20
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           Office of Secy of State
           Trenton  Dec 28, 1846

Sir

    In answer to your letter of the 26th inst. I have to inform you, that I have examined the files of letters asking searches in this office and find a number of yours, but none of them contains the name of Peter Tilyou.
                                                        I have a
distinct recollection of your calling at this office and procuring a Certificate or Certificates of Service accredited to Peter Tilyou on the Middlesex Interests, and that you asked if I could find the original Certificate or Certificates bearing his signatures as you wished to see and compare them. I informed you I could not.
  I cannot state when it was as you paid the fees and I made no records of the date.            

         Respectfully
       Your obed Servt
         Charles P. McChesney

C A Lay Esq.
N York
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City of New York SS. Personally appeared before me the undersigned Peter V. Tilyou, who being first duly sworn according to law, on his oath declared that he is the identical person named in the annexed certificate and that he makes the following additional statement of his military services, in order to obtain an increased allowance of his pension. That at the time he made his previous declaration, he did not know that it was either requisite or necessary that he should set for the record specifically, each and all of his numerous periods and towers [tours] of service, which is the reason that he did not do it. He declared that he entered the services of the United States, in the early part of the Spring of 1776 and served as is hereinafter stated.
First entered the service by enlistment as private for nine months in the 2nd New York Regiment under Col. Malcolm, first under Capt Brazier, then under Captain Allener until his term expired. That he was engaged during that period in the Battles of Long Island Harlem Heights and White Plains. Then as enlistment as private three months in Capt. Shaws. Company Col. Daytons New Jersey Regiment at Elizabethtown, then by draft one month as private under Capt. Pain, in the same Regt and on the same Station, then by enlistment as a private nine months under Captain Patterson , Lieuts. Kenney and Lucastle in the 3d New Jersey Regt under Col. Dayton and General Maxwell, and that during that period he was engaged in the Battles at Croswixs and Monmouth, then as a substitute for Joseph Biles one month as private in Capt.Shaws Company stationed at Hackensack, New Bridge and Perammus [Paramus]. Then by draft one month as private under Capt. Freeman in Col. Nelsons Regiment Stationed at Woodbridge. Then a few days under different officers in one of which short towers [tours] he was in the Battle at Springfield, and  the Farms then by enlistments as private, six months in Capt. Matthew Freemans Company of Jersey Troops first encamped back of Elizabethtown, and then stationed at Woodbridge. Then by enlistment as private three months in Capt. Asher Randolphs Company of Jersey Troops, stationed  at Woodbridge, had enlisted for nine, but by reason of sickness was discharged, when he had served three months, at which time he left the service, which he thinks was in the month of September  1782.
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That he received Continental money for his pay in the 2nd New York and third New Jersey Regiments, and for pay for the remainder of his service he received Jersey certificates, except for one month for which he was paid in specia [specie], that he has had the V. added to his name since the close of the Revolutionary war, that he resided when he first entered the service in the City of New York, but after it was taken he resided in the State of New Jersey, in the County of Essex and Middlesex until the close of the war.                      his
                                  Peter V. Tilyou
                                             his X mark

Subscribed and sworn to
Before me this 7th day of
September A.D. 1843-
And to the truth of which
statement I am perfectly
satisfied
J.R. Flanagan
Commissioner of Deeds
for the City & County of New York 

STATE OF NEW YORK
CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW YORK

I, NATHANIEL JARVIS, Clerk of the City and County of New York [words crossed out] DO HEREBY CERTIFY, that John R. Flanagan before whom the annexed deposition was taken, was, at the time of taking the same, a Commissioner of Deeds in and for the City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and authorized by the laws of this State to take the same; and I believe the Signature of said Commissioner thereunto subscribed is genuine.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the said County, the 3rd day of Oct 1843

             Nath Jarvis      Clerk.
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34.929

[illegible]
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Apr 1799
Mrs. O.R. Ingersoll
 [City?]

Revy
WIDOW & c
File no. 25,481
Sarah Tilyou
wid. of Peter V. Tilyou
Priv. Rev. war
Act Feb 3rd 1853
Index: Vol T, Page 276
 [Arrangement of 1870]
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Postal Card - One Cent
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
This side is for the address only
[postage stamp]
[postal stamp] U.S. PENSION OFFICE MAR 16 1899

Commissioner of Pensions
Pension Building
G and 5th Sts
Washington D.C.
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[Own?]
Commissioner of Pensions
Dear Sir,  - Referring to letter of even date requesting information of P.V. Tilyou's Captain & Regiment in War of Revolution, I overlooked the following memorandum on the Pension papers
"Recorded by Geo C Stile Clerk, in Book d Vol. 5 - page 144 - "
 The above may facilitate search of records -
 Resp'y
 (Mrs) O.R. Ingersoll
1327 Whitney Ave N.W
Washington D.C.
Mch 15/99
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UNITED STATES
LETTER SHEET
Envelope
[postage stamp] two cents
[postal mark] WASHINGTON DC APR 11 1899
 If not called for in ten days Postmaster will please return to  1327 Whitney Ave., N.W.
Wash. D.C.

 Commissioner of Pensions
Pension Building
Washington D.C.

[stamp] O.W. & N. Div.
Received APR 5 1899
[illegible signature]

[stamp] U.S. PENSION OFFICE APR 3 1899
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March 30//99
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir, -
  May I call your attention to a letter I wrote some two weeks since and ask for an early answer to the same. I wrote requesting information as to the name of the Captain and name or number of the Regiment in which Peter Vincent Tilyou, a Revolutionary patriot, served. I sent you a copy of his Pension Papers ^ issued Nov 3rd 1832 and now refer you to my former letter - The number of Pension is 1432 - "recorded by Geo. C. Stile Clerk, in Book D. Vol. 5. page 144.
  The favor of a reply at your earliest opportunity will greatly oblige.
  Mrs. O. R. Ingersoll
1327 Whitney Ave. N.W.
Washington D.C.
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C.A. Lay
Jany 13 1867
Let. To same Feb. 16. 47
[illegible]
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to Hon H. F. May 31
" Clay, the 1844
" do do by 6144
& C. A. May 2744
to R.S. Gould No 105
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Sir
Pon. July 13 1837
2
Please inform me when Peter Viller of NY at
1837 at $30 a year was last paid,
R J Atkinson Esq
Very Respectfully
Then and to
Hale

iplett
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Peter V. Tilyon paid to 4 March 1846
Robinson
Creditor
Jr
ty, 13. 1855
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L.P. Waldo
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City  D.C.
[postal mark] NEW YORK JUL 10
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Addl Evidence
No. 187.055
 Hon. J. Minot
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City D.C.

[postal mark] NEW YORK JUL 22  FREE

[on side] Peter V. Tilyous
 wid Sarah

Boynton
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J.L. Edwards Esqr
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington, D.C.

[postal mark] NEW YORK JUL 25
[on side] July 26 '41
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                                      New York July 25. 1844

Sir,

      Mr. Peter V. Tilyou of this City, who is asserting a claim for increased allowance of his pension, respectfully desires that you will inform me if the affidavits of John Tilyou, John Oakly, John VanOsdail and Daniel Runyon, to his service do not exist on file in your office among his original papers that was previously presented, and if they do whether or not, they were examined, upon the examination, reported in your letter of the 31st of May last, and if they do exist on file in your office and have not been examined as proof in support of this claim he respectfully desires that they may be, without delay. Mr. Tilyou informs me that he had the affidavits of such witnesses which he gave to Mr.Bancker, and Mr. Bancker informed me that all the papers Mr. Tilyou gave him, he personally handed to you, upon which he was allowed his present pension.
     The Department is mistaken, and I must confess I am also, in supposing that the $13,13 which the record shows was credited to Peter Tilyou, was for services in the Essex County militia, for that is the balance that was due this claimant for his six months service in Captain Freemans Company, of which there can be no doubt as the amount exactly corresponds with the amounts credited to other privates of that Company and credited by the same person.

               I am very respectfully
               Your Obedient Servant
                   C A Lay

Hon. JLEdwards Esquire
Commiss of Pensions
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Receipts for Cash paid Second years' interest on Notes given by the Commissioners of

[chart]
No. of
Voucher.
3
No. of
Certif.
45
Date.
June 8 1784 
SIGNED BY.
Thomson Stelle
PAYABLE TO
Petter Tilly
Amount.
9.9.0
ly's int.
L 11.4

State of New Jersey
I, CHARLES G. McCHESNEY, Secretary of State of the State of
New Jersey, do hereby certify, that the foregoing is a true abstract
from a Book, headed as above, as taken from, and compared
with the original now remaining in my office.--And I do
further certify, that Thomson title was
by an Act passed by the Legislature of this State, December
20, 1783, entitled ""An Act to procure an estimate of the sums
due to the Militia and Troops who have been raised for the
defence of the frontiers of the State, and to provide for the
settlement of the same, appointed a Commissioner for the
County of Middlesex for the
purpose of settling and adjusting the pay rolls of the Militia and
Troops of this State, as aforesaid, and also for signing and delivering
out to each and every person a note for the payment of
what may be justly due.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of office, at
Trenton, in said State, this twenty fifth day of September
A. D. one thousand eight hundred and forty three
Charles G. M. Chesney
secretary of State.
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Receipts for Cash paid the Second years interest on notes
given by the Commissioners of the several Counties for
Militia Service

[chart]
No of Voucher  39
No of
Certif
29
Date
Ap. 1. 1786
Do
Signed by
Aaron Dunham and
Do
Payable to
Peter Gallager
Do
Amt
12.8.0
1.5.9
1 yr int
14.10
" 2. 1

State of New Jersey
I Charles G. McChesney Secretary of
State of the State of New Jersey do hereby
certify that the foregoing is a true abstract
from a book headed as above as taken
from and compared with the original
now remaining in my office-- and
I do further certify that Aaron Dunham
Esqr was appointed Auditor on the
twenty eighth day of November AD
One thousand Seven hundred and eighty five by the Legislature
of the State of New Jersey in Joint meeting assembled.

In Testimony whereof I have hereunto
set my hand and affixed my seal of Office at Trenton
in said State this twenty fifth day of September A.D.
thousand eight hundred & forty three, Charles G. McChesney
of State
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Saturday Feb.18.1786.
     The Petition in favor of a company of troops late in the service of this State commanded by Captain Matthew Freeman, with the vouched accompanying the same, was read a second time, and it appearing that no adequate compensation has been received by them for their services- therefore.

Resolved_ That the Auditor of Accounts be and he is hereby authorized and required to issue, under his signature notes similar as may be to the Militia notes heretofore issued in this State, in discharge of the Payrolls of said Company for their services, from the first day of August 1780 to the first day of January 1781,  and from the third day of July 1780 to the first day of August following deducting from the sums respectively due to each Officer and Soldier as stated in said Payrolls, the one fortieth part being the part advanced in cash to the said Company by Issac Halsey, late Paymaster to the Militia.
         Concurred in by Counsel Feby.21.1786
Seal of New Jersey
                      
   I Charles G. McChesney Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey hereby certify that the foregoing is a true copy of a Resolution passed
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by the Legislation of this State February 20. 1786 as taken from and compared with the original now on file in my office. And I do further certify that Aaron Dunham Esq. was at that time Auditor of Accounts and by virtue of the foregoing Resolution, issued Notes numbered from 1 to 90 (both inclusive) two of which viz: No.69 for £12.8.0 and No. 25 for £1.15.9 were given in favor of Peter Tillyou.
          In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my Seal of Office at Trenton in said State this twenty second day of August A.D. one thousand eight hundred and forty-five.

                   Charles G. McChesney
                        Secy of State
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State of New York
             City and County of New York SS

Chauncey A. Lay being duly sworn deposeth and saith that the supplemental deposition of Peter V. Tilyou of the City of New York upon which he founded a Claim for increased allowance of his person was wrote out by this deponent from his own lips in conformity with his statements of his service. And this deponent further says that he at that time had not the information that (his) or a similar name was bourne on the records at Trenton in the Archives of the State of New Jersey or upon any other records whatever, and that this deponent is fully satisfied that Mr. Tilyou had not the remotest idea that the records offered any evidence of his service. And this deponent further says that the above mentioned statement of Peter V. Tilyou was sworn to on the day and year named in the jurat of the Commissions appended to it  and it was this deponent thinks near a month or more after it was made that he presented the same to the Secretary of State of New Jersey who on the same day issued the Certificate of the [illegible] standing credited to him on his words. And the deponent further says that the above mentioned Peter V. Tilyou was at the time of his making the above mentioned statement of sound disposing mind and this deponent never entertained a doubt but that he rendered the service as he stated. And this deponent further says that the said Peter V. Tilyou informed him that the person of the same name and on whose account he added the distinguishing letter (V) to his name never resided in the State of New Jersey, and performed no service whatever during the Revolutionary War, as he was not old enough to bear arms, and was a distant relationship of the said Peter V. Tillyou.            C. A. Lay 
Sworn to and Subscribed
this 26th day of December 1846 before 
Pearson K Jeremiah
Com of Deeds
whose [witness? - writings] is known to me and is a credible person.

Pearson K. Jeremiah
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STATE OF NEW YORK
CITY AND COUNTY OF NEW YORK, } SS

I, James Conner, Clerk of the City and County of New York, and also Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas, for the said City and County, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, That Pearson K. Jeremiah before whom the annexed deposition was taken, was at the time of taking the same, Commissioner of Deeds in and for said City and County, duly commissioned and sworn, and authorized by the laws of this State to take the same; and that I believe the Signature of said Commissioner of Deeds thereunto subscribed to genuine.
IN TESTIMONY  WHEREOF I have  hereunto set my hand , and affixed the Seal of the said Court and County, the 26th day of Dec 1846

James Connor     Clerk
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J.L. Edwards Esquire
Commissr of Pensions
Washington D.C.
[postal mark] NEW YORK JAN

[on side]
file with papers  admd Act of June '32
Jan 13'45 NY
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             New York January 22th 1845.
Sir,

At the urgent request of Mr. Peter V. Tilyou of this City who is asserting a claim for increased allowance of his pension I have the honor to again respectfully call your attention to his case, and to ask that it may be reexamined on the grounds 1st That in the first examination of the case the Dept. distrusted his claim for increase on grounds that appear to have no foundation. for  his original application was under the Act of 1818, and the regulations to carry that law into effect  confined him to the statement of a single term of his service, and the regulations to carry into effect the law of 1832, confines such applicant to a repetition of the same statement of the same service only(underlined), that had been claimed for under the original law, and as you say that his omision in his original declaration to have set out the service now claimed for is the particular reason why you cannot increase his pension which makes it evident that the Dept. committed an error in supposing that his original application was under the Act of 1832. I also respectfully remind the Department that it has admited [admitted] that it is satisfactorily proven that this identical applicant was an Essex County Militia Man, as erly [early] as May 1778- and that a soldier of the same name is credited with £13.13.9. for services in the Essex County Militia, and his identity is mearly [merely] questioned on the ground that he found a namesake sometime between the close of the war and 1818. The 2d ground upon which a reexamination is asked is this. It was required to furnish proof from the records, at Albany of the service of the Officers under whom he served in Col. Malcolms Regt.in 1776, and a certificate of the Secy of State , and and his letter to me, shows that officer of the same name, "tho spelt a little different" was duly appointed officer in that Regt. in that year, was as I am convinced erroneously regarded as negative proof. I suppose it is well known to the Dept. that there is no records at Albany that shews any service of either officer or soldier in that year except the appointment of the Commisd [commissioned] officers. It is desirable to be informed whether the Dept. will reexamine his case or not,

I had the honor to be
Very respectfully your obed sevt

C A Lay

J. L Edwards Esquire
Commissr of Pensions }
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New York January 20, 1847

Sir,

I have received your letter of the 13th inst in the case of Peter V. Tilyou and in answer to your remarks therein contained would say that his case is not susceptable to any higher proof than is now on file. I beg leave most respectfully to call the attentions of this Department to some important facts connected with this case and the grounds upon which the Dept has assumed to discredit it. 
The Department assigns as a particular reason for resisting this claim his omission to set out all of his services in his original declaration on the grounds that the regulations required him to do so, and his declaration afforded evidence that the author of it had the regulations.
Now to shew that the above recited objections  has no foundation I will refer you to this regulation, refered [referred] to, by which it will be seen that in as much as this claimant was an applicant for a pension under the Act of 1818, at the time he applyed under the Act of 1832, he was limited to the statement of his single term of service or continental establishment and by which it will be seen that instead of affording a good ground upon which to resist his claim, it affords a high grade of proof in support of it, as it shows the reason of this omision [omission] to set onto all the service.
The Department assigns as a reason for not admitting him for the balance of pay credited to be due him for service in New Jersey on the grounds that he added a distinguishing letter to his name after the war to distinguish him from another of the same name.
Now by reference to his statement upon which he claims an increase, ^ it will be seen that he swares [swears] that he at the close of the war removed from Middlesex County New Jersey to the City of New York where he has ever since continued to reside, and that it was after the war that he added the letter V to his name (viz) when he resided in that great City far removed from the place where he performed the service, (out of the state) where he had a namesake, residing, as appears by the New York Directory of 1799, and in the year 1800. Seventeen years after the war he adds the letter V. which renders the inference that the service was credited his namesake, very slight indeed. I don't think it necessary to pursue this ^ part of this objection, if it was a well founded objection it would have applyed to his [cusp?]
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when it was under examination and would then been applied if it had been a good grounds of objection to allowing him for the term of 9 months which was allowed for. When the fact of the distinguishing letter having been added was before you. If that was a valid objection against allowing for one term it would hold good against another; but it was not considered an objection against allowing for his nine months service in 1778. and therefore cannot be consistently  interposed as an objection to allow for other service.

In further support of this claim I would call your attention to another important fact, which is that he, when he made his statement of all his service he reiterated the service for which he was then receiving a pension for, in such a manner as to leave no room for the Department to stop his pension, and if that reiteration so fully verified that term of his service , it must certainly carry great weight with it, "aside from proof" that he rendered the service that he in the same deposition stated that he did and more particularly so when it will be remembered or shewn by the papers that he was of the opinion, that he was receiving a pension for his nine months service in 1776. and supposed the time in which he so fully corroborated ^ himself to have been a time for which his pension was claimed to be increased. The Department informed me when I was in Washington recently that such corroborating proof was regarded as a very high grade of proof, and it was as such proof that the case of H.H.Mandeville of N.Jersey was allowed. I am aware that the two cases is not in all respects analegous [analogous], but the ^ same principle to a great extent prevades this case. I submit it to this Department to say if it believes it possiable [possible] for a man at the advanced age of Mr. Tillyou to be able to set out his various and numerous towers [tours] of service (which he did) twelve years after he first set out a time of "services" without conflicting with his first statement, unless he actually rendered the service. I hold it to be impossable [impossible]. I ask the attentions of the Department to these suggestions as it seems that they were over looked in the previous examination.
  The service in addition to which he is now receiving a pension for which me thinks is satisfactorily proven is 9 months in 1776 in Col. Malcolms Regt. and 6 month in Capt. Freemans Company in 1780. and 9 months in Capt.Randolphs Company in 1781.
For direct and positive proof of that service I will refer you to the affidavit that this claimant made in the case of
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his brother John Tilyou a pensioner in the New Jersey Rolls, per Act of 1832, and John VanOsdol a pensioner in the New York Rolls, and he thinks he gave evidence in the case of John Runnyon a pensioner on the N JerseyRoll per Act of 1818. He said them soldiers were his comrads [comrades] in the service and if he swore in their cases that he was with them in the service. it comes within the rule laid down in the case of H.H. Mandeville before refered [referred] to and affords a higher grade of proof for  when he gave such testimony he of course had no idea of it ever being evidence for him. Such proof is relied on in connection with the other proof refered [referred] to here. And the Certificate of the Secretary of New York to establish his term of 9 months service in 1776. I think the Dept mistaken in supposing that the certificate shewing the appointment of his officers in 1776, was Negative proof in this case. The General Order of the Com in chief in 1776, and the proceeding of the Committe [Committee] of Safety of New York will afford proof of the service of his officers in conformity with his statement.
The proof of his ^ 6 months service in Capt Freemans Detachment of the New Jersey State Regiment in 1780. is certainly [?ring] and overwhelming for after this claim had been pending nearly two years, newly discovered proof was found in the office of the Secretary of State of New Jersey shewing That Notes No. 25 and 69. issued by AA Dunham Esq. State auditor, to Peter Tilyou was for a balance due him for  services in Capt. Freemans Company in 1780. And this certificate of the Secretary of State of New Jersey exhibiting that fact also shewed that that Company had received one fortieth part of their pay in Specie, which -you will see corroborates Mr. Tilyou in his assertion that Capt Freeman made him a small payment in Specie -
The Certificate of the Secretary of New Jersey shewing that a (Note) was issued to Peter Tilyou for £9.9 for services in Middlesex County is relied on to establish his 9 month enlistment in that Company in 1781. And as a higher grade of proof of this fact I will refer the Department to the copy of the (Margins) of Certificate issued by Thompson Steel the Commissioner for Middlesex which Mr. Randolph furnishes the office and was copied there as he informs me from the originals. These margins should augh[t] to afford a high grade the of proof of the fact of what company the soldier ^ [belongist?] who received £9.9 . That it could not have been for Militia service is certain because it is for more than a (months) pay and the Militia
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only services monthly towers [tours], and the Commission adjusted every Roll separately, as the Dept. well knows: and I should suppose would in allmost [almost] all instances afford proof as to whos [whose] company ^ it was in which the service for which the Note was issued was rendered. Every circumstance connected with the case sustains me in my affidavit that this claim was not predicated on on the proof addressed in support of it as the Dept will see,by reference to the dates of the certificate issued by the Secretary of N Jersey and the date of his statement of his services upon which he claimed this increase. And covers admitting that it was known that he had a credit on the record; it was not known until two years after he made this statement for what services it was for
With these suggestions in support of this claim I respectfully ask a careful reconsideration of the case.
Respectfully
Your Most Obed Sevt
C A Lay


J l Edwards Esquire
Commissr of Pensions }
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J.L. Edwards
Commissr of Pensions
Washington D C
[on side]
March 6, 1847
[Ree ee] of Peter V. Tilyou

[postal mark] NEW YORK 4 MAR  5 cts
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New York March 4, 1847

Sir,
I have received your letter of the 16th ult in the case of Peter V. Tilyou for increase of his pension refering [referring] me to your numerous letters to me and others since your letter to the Hon. H Fish in May 1844, and that it may be assumed that argument has been exhausted on both sides.

I have refered [referred] to all the letters in this case since the letter to the Hon. H Fish in May 1844. and can find no objections to the admission of his claim except such as the Chief Clerk admited [admitted] when I was present to have  been erroneously made.

In the letter to Hon. H Fish referred to it is admited [admitted] that his pension could be increased but not to the extent claimed for without proof since which time high and [unering?] grades of proof has been submitted and it is desiriable [desirable]to know if the Department will increase his pension equal to the full allowance of a private of Infantry.

Very respectfully
Your obed Sevt
C A Lay

J L. Edwards Esqr
Commissr of Pensions }
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J.L. Edwards
Commissr of Pensions
Washington D.C.

[on side] 
Nov 13, 1846
Rec al of Peter V. Tilyou
 7 June '32 No 1432
[illegible words] 12 Nov

[postal mark] YORK  13 NOV 5 cts
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Hackensack New Jersey
Nov 10 1846
JL Edward Esq

Sir,

You will please to regard Mr.C A Lay as the Attorney in the case of Peter V. Tillyou of New York. Mr. Lay is at present at Washington and by a review of the case to (illegible) as his assistance and with his sugestions, you will greatly oblige your obed sevt

RVS Gould
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J.L. Edwards Esqr
Commissr of Pensions
Washington D C

[on side] Oct 10. 1845
Adal tes case
 Peter V. Tilyou
[postal mark] NEW YORK 8 OCT  10 cts
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Hackensack Bergen County
New Jersey  October 8. 1845

Sir,

Enclosed is additional evidence in the case of Peter V. Tilyou of the City of New York an applicant for increase of his pension. This convincing proof of one term of his service is relied on to overcome the objections contained in your letter to the Hon. H Fish in this case. I desire you will refer to the Certificate of the Secretary of State of New York as Mr. Lay informs me that they afford proof of the appointment of his officers in Col. Malcolms Regt in 1776 as was required by the letter of Mr. Crump to Mr. Lay in this case.

I am very respectfully
Your obt sevt
Robert S. Gould 

J L Edwards Esqr
Commr of Pensions
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C.A. Lay
June 18, 1844
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James L. Edwards Esquire
Commissioner of Pensions
 Washington D C.
[on side] June 15 '44
Col [?]
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New York June 14 1844.

Sir,

Mr. Peter Tilyou of this City who is claiming an increased allowance of his pension, respectfully desires that you will refer to his original declaration and inform me what time it purports to have been made, and what time, or what date is the Clerks certificate appended to it made; and also if it is free from interlineations as [assured?] in the dates.

Very respectfully
Your Obed Sevt
C A Lay 


J L Edwards Esquire
Commissioner of Pensions }
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C. A. Lay Esq
 New York

[upside down]
Tillyou
Page 77

State of New York
Secretary's Office }

I certify that it appears by the Records of the provincial Congress of New York in this office that on the 4th day of June 1776 James Alner was appointed Major of the Regiment whereof William Malcolm was Colonel: also that on the 25th day of June 1776 Henry Brasher was duly appointed and commissioned Captain of the Company in the said Regiment called The Prussian Blues: And I further certify that on a careful examination of the records in this office I found no record of the appointment of said James Alner or any person of the name of Allener as a Captain in the said Regiment commanded by Colonel Malcolm: And also that I made Search for the name of a Peter Tilyou who is alleged to have served as a soldier in the said Regiment first under Capt. Allener and afterwards under Capt.brazier, but I found no such soldier returned or any account of his service in this office.  
Albany August 13.1844     Arch. Campbell
                                          Dept. Sec. of  State

State of New York
Comptrollers Office}

I certify that on a careful examination of the books, papers and documents pertaining to the Revolutionary pension, remaining in this office, neither The names of Peter Tilyou, who it is alleged was a soldier of the Revolutionary War, or of Captain Alner, or Brazier officers under whom he served are found.
Albany August 13th 1844

Philip Phelps (sig)
Dept Comptroller
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J.L. Edwards Esqr
Commissr of Pensions
Washington D.C.

[on side]
feb 8 1844  N.Y. Jurat
  Sent [cir?] Feby 9
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New York February 6, 1844.

Sir,

The papers of Peter V. Tilyou, claiming an increased allowance of his pension per the Act of 7.June 1832. was by now transmited [transmitted] to you, in the erly [early] part of October last four months ago, and there has been no report received. The great length of time that has elapsed causes him to fear that his papers were not received, if they were he desires that you will inform me.

I am respectfully
Your Obed Sevt.
C A Lay 


J L. Edwards Esqr
Commissr of Pension }
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C.A. Lay

Hon Hamilton Fish
 House of Representatives
 Washington D.C.
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New York June 7. 1844.

Dear Sir,

I have the pleasure to acknowledge from you the letter of the Commissioner of Pensions to you of 31st ultimo in the case of Peter V. Tilyou which is herewith returned to you for your reference. You will do me a great favor to review the case, and furnish an answer to the following questions. Does or does not the revolutionary records in the Department afford any proof of Mr. Tilyous alleged service in [Allinars?] and Braziers Company of Col Malcolms 2d New York Regt in 1776. and if they do not, then ask if the affidavit of his brother, who was in that same service with him does not afford the requisite proof. In relation to the 2d alleged period of 3 months service in Col Daytons New Jersey Regt in 1777. Ask him if this records does not afford proof of that period of Mr. Tilyous service. And ask him if Mr. Tilyou complied with the form of the Declaration required for him to make to obtain the benefit of the Act of 18th March 1818. if he was not by the very form of the Declaration prevented from seting for the more than one period of his service. And ask him if Mr. Tilyou ever made any other statement of his military services., ^ And the aim to obtain the benefit of the Act of 1818. and his late statement claiming an increase.
Ask him, what the adding of the V to his name many years after the Revolutionary War has to do with his services, And ask him if it is possible for to adduce a higher grade of proof of the fact that he is the identical person described in the Certificate of the Secretary of New Jersey as having received £13.12.9. than is afforded in the other certificate of the Secretary of that State, which the Commissr acknowleges verifies the
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service for which his former allowance of 9. month was offered him. Moreover that certificate shews an incontestable fact, which over throws the principal objections of the Commissioner upon which he insists the claim that is, it shew that Mr. Tilyou was an enrolled Militia Man of the County of Essex, in service as such in Laynings Company in May 1778 and shews also that he was then 19 years of age and from which he would have been subject to Militia only at the commencement of the War, and it is wholly beyond the power of man to afford a higher grade of proof of the proper identity of the soldier described in the Secretarys Certificate, as having received £13.13.9 than the showing that he was an enrolled Militia Man in service, in the Militia of that county and residing in that county by records proof Mr. Tilyou has waited just eight  month to receive this unsatisfactory answer to his claim and in consequence of which he thinks that he is entitled to an immediate reconsideration of his claim. On my judgment a more valid claim was never presented and you will do me a great kindness if you will use your efforts to obtain a speedy and proper ajustment of his claim which he is understandably so justly entitled.

I have the honor to be
with great respect
Your Most Obed Sevt
C A Lay 

Hon. Hamilton Fish
House of Rept. Washington } * I do not think you will require the Commisr letter as he has a copy in the office. C A L
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Brief in the case of Sarah Tilyou widow of Peter V  New York County and State of NY
act 3 Feby 1853

Claim ("original")
Proof exhibited (if original)

Is it documentary, traditionary, or supported by rolls? If either, state the substance.
 Her husband was a pensioner under the Act of June 7 1835 at $30 a year (service proved in his papers)
Marriage, her identity as the pensioners widow, his death & her present widowhood proved by Louisa A. Ingersoll & James Berry, credible witnesses
  Thornton  [?pllts]  Examining Clerk

Name and residence of Agent
Calvin W Smith Esq
 New York
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Sarah Tilyou
widow of Peter V
City of New York
Admd Feby 3 1853
9 mos pri $30 per annum from 3d Feby 1853
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Peter V Tilyou
[?] 4 May 1846
Sarah Tilyou
Md 1825
Louisa A Ingersoll
Jas Berry
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N. York July 10/55
L.P. Waldo Esq.
 Dr Sir.  I herewith present you the [clai?z] of Sarah widow of Peter V. Tilyou for Pension for life, under the Act of February 3rd 1853. You will oblige by giving the matter your earliest possible attention and forward a certificate therefor  as soon as  possible.
  Yr Ob Servt
 Calvin W. Smith
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J.L. Edwards Esquire
Commissioner of Pensions
 Washington
[on side]
July 1. 44
D Crump
 [Jm a?]
  P.V. Tilyou
[postal mark] NEW YORK JUN 29
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New York June 29,1844
Sir,
I have received the copy of Mr. V Tilyous declaration under the Act of 7th June 1832. It will be seen that it is only a repetition of the service he claimed for under the Act of 1818. He did not understand that the statement he made in the Court of Common Pleas of the battles that he was engaged in during the 9 month service in the 3rd New Jersey Regt. to be a declaration. He says that the reason he assigned an his late statements of his omission to state his service at length, had reference to his original declaration, and that at the time he made it the Hon. Richard Riker, with whom he was well acquainted told him that the one period of his service was all that was necessary for him to set forth. His failure to state his service in addition to the service he claimed for under the Act of 1818, is undoubtedly attributed to the want of information of his Attorney of the prorata character of the Act of 7.June 1832. And Mr. Tilyou should not ought to suffer for the want of information of his attorney. In your letter of 31 ulto you say that one of the certificates of the Secretary of New Jersey verifies the service which he claimed for which I now understand to be his 9. month service in 3rd NJ Regt. in 1778. By reference then that certificate you will find that it affords the very hihest [highest] grade of proof that can be adduced, and the very grade of proof you require to establish the identity of this claimant, with the soldier of the same name in the Essex County Militia whose account for his military service to the amount of 13.13.9 was audited  by Auditor Dunham, It appears that you doubted the identity of that Peter Tillyou, being the identical Peter V. Tilyou who is asserting this claim for the reason that he seems that he had the
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distinguishing letter V. added to his name after the war. I cannot see what that has to do with the identity as his account would have been audited by the name he went by at the time he performed the service. It was my impression until now that the allowance to him for $30. per annumm was for his nine months service in 1776. in the 2nd NYork Regt. as he informed me that he had the affidavit of his brother John Tilyou, who was a private with him in that period. It is now understood that his allowance for $30. per annumm, was for his nine months service in the 3rd New Jersey Regt. in 1778. So Mr. Tilyou respectfully desires, that you will refer to his proof that was originally presented and to the Rolls of the 2nd New York Regiment, in 1776. " if you have such Notes" and inform me if the proof is not sufficient to sustain that period of his service. It may be propper to state that Mr. Tilyou first applied under the Act of 1818 and his paper was returned with the answer that his name was not found on the "Roll" where he says he renewed his application and got the testimony of his brother and others about the time he got his papers perfected the law of 1st May 1820 on paper which cut him off, And he kept his papers until after the passage of the Act of 7 June 1832, when he gave them to the person that drew up his statement that he verified to in the Court of Common Pleas and then he gave all his papers to Mr. Bankes who transcribed & presented them at the department. The person who drew up his declaration under the Act of 7. June 1838. had his original papers before him when he had had prepared to obtain a pension under the act of 1818. by which it is infered that that is the cause of the omission to have started all the issues The person that drew up for him his declaration under the Act of 7. June 1832 is dead. Consequently we are deprived of his testimony which would of
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course, be important, I think you will find Mr. Tilyous original declaration under the Act of 1818. with his papers in your office if so you will by comparing them together you will be able to determine whether or not one was not mostly copied from the other.Mr. Tilyou had no copys of his original papers and none could be found nor is or was there anything to shew what had been done. He had resided here since about the year 1790. and is a man of wealth and of the highes respectability. I drew up for him his statements of his service upon which he claims the increases in the most careful manner, and at which time neither he nor I now no other person that was known to either of us had any knowledge whatever of what evidence existed in the office of the Secretary of State of New Jersey of this service, If you should not consider the proof sufficient to increase his pension to $80. per annum I desire you will inform me what service you will, if any allow him for beyond his 9. month service which he now receives a pension for,

I am very respectfully
Your Obed ServC.A.Lay
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Peter V Tilyou
 N

[on side]
File with papers

George W C...
Washington DC
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Dr Sir
New York Decr 8, 1847-
I recd your favor of the 4th into and
am hapy to learn that you have so far [illegible]
your health as to be able to resume your
this again, I am sorry if I missrepresented you
in my letter to the court in the case of Peter
V Tilyou but such was my understanding of
your remarks you know by reference to the papers
whether such was or was not the case, whatever
you may report as correct to my case of mine
either in favor or against the case will be [illegible] to by me. I should not have wrote the court
on the subject at all but the party interest
aged me to age the case on the office, and 
I understood that your health was so from 
that you would not be likely soon to assume 
your duties which was the reason that it wrote 
the court

Geo W Crump Esq
and Respectfully
your most Obdt Svt
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[?]
C.A. Lay Esq
 New York
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Secretary's Office
Albany Aug. 10. 1844.

Sir,

Your letter of the 7th inst: has been received with $1. enclosed. I made a careful search for the name of Peter Tilyou in this office but could not find it. The fact is we have no Master Rolls or list of the Soldiers who enlisted in the year 1775 and the early part of 1776 in this office.  I also took your letter to the Comptrollers office and they searched the Pay Rolls but they did not find the said Tilyou on the said rolls nor on any list of old soldiers in their possession in said office.

Yours respectfully
Arch.d Campbell
Dep Sec of State

C A Lay Esq
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No. 187.055
Claim of Sarah Tilyou
widow of
Peter V. Tilyou
Addl Evidence
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The Pion [Pension] Office
July 18th 1856
Sir:
 In reply to your letter of the 7th inst: You are informed that it is  necessary to enter the papers in the case of Sarah Tilyou, to secure an Authentication of the Official character of D. Randell, as a Commissioner of Deeds. The Clerk of the County Court of New York City & County, can certify that D. Randell, was a Commissioner of Deeds on the 21st & 2d of June 1855.
  Yours Respectfully,
 C.H. Rhett
  for Commissioner

Calvin W. Smith, Esqr
 New York City
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State of New York,
City and County of New York,} ss.
I, RICHARD B. CONNOLLY, Clerk of the City and County of New York, and also Clerk of the Supreme Court for the said City and County, DO HEREBY CERTIFY, THAT  David Randell was on the 21st & 22d days of June A.D. 1855 a Commissioner of Deeds in and for the City & County of New York duly appointed and sworn -
 In Testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the said Court and County, the 22 day of July 1856
  Richd B Connolly Clerk
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N. York July 10/55
L.P. Waldo Esq.
 DSir.  I herewith present you four claims for Bounty Land under the act approved by Congress March 3rd 1855 which please  acknowledge and forward warrants therefor as soon as possible
 Yr Ob Servt
 Calvin W. Smith
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[crossed out - Sarah Tilyou]
No. 187,055
Claim of Sarah Tilyou
 widow of Peter V. Tilyou
 Addl Evidence

Not an [illegible]
July ?/56
Revolutionary

Presented by Calvin W. Smith
New York city
Box 4,544
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Pension Office
July 2d 1856
Sir,
 The claim of Sarah Tilyou, for bounty land will be favorably considered as soon as the Official character of D. Randall as Commissioner of Deeds, is duly Authenticated.
  Yours Respectfully
 C.H.Rhett
 for Commissioner
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New York July 7th 1856

Hon J Minot
D. Sir You inform me you will admit the claim of Sarah Tilyou as soon as the official character of D. Randell as Commissioner of Deeds is satisfactorily established. I do not know what more you can have as you have already a 
[?wa?..ing] certificate of such fact by County Clerk & certificates in particular cases both before and subsequent to the filing of said claim. As you did not return the declaration no certificate in that particular case can be given.

Your Obed Servt
Calvin W. Smith