Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 16,735, for Jacob Spicer, New York
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(3 - 1776)
SERVICE
New York
Spicer, Jacob
Sarah
NUMBER
W. 16.735
CONTENTS [blank]
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New York- 7086- Repd Mar 18 '43
James R. Meeker, Jacob, Susannah Black
and Anna Swan only children of Sarah Spicer, decd:  widow of Jacob Spicer deceased who
was a pensioner under the Act of 18 Mar. 1818-
and who died about 17 years since - of
Delaware Co in the State of New-York - who
was a private - in the [blank]
commanded by Captain [blank]
of the [blank] commanded by [blank] in
the New-York line for 2 years-

Inscribed on the Roll of Albany
the rate of 80 Dollars [blank] Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1836. Sarah Spicer died in August 1841

Certificate of Pension issued the 15th day of
March 1843 and sent to Hon. S. Gordon
Delhi, New-York

Arrears to the 4th of March, 1841
Semi-annual allowance ending
$400.00
Recorded on
[Act July 7, 1838.]
Clerk,
Recorded by Book A  Vol. 2 Page [damaged, illegible]
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New York Roll
1,366
Jacob Spicer
Private
New York line - 1777 - 6 years [4 written over it]
In the arms of the United States during the Revolutionary War.

Inscribed on the Roll of New York
at the rate of 8 Dollars per month, to commence on the 7th of May 1818.
Certificate of Pension issued the 30 of June 1818, and sent to the Pensioner at the
Post Office nearest to Ulster C.H.
N. York.
Arrears to 4th of Sept. 1818.
3 months 25/31
4 /30
$31.51
{Revolutionary claim,
Act 18th March, 1818 }
Van Cortlandt

V   Continued
Shandakan Ulster Co
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Notification sent to Charles Tappen Junr-Esq
6 October, 1820.  Kingston
Ulster County, New York
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State of New York
Ulster County SS}

At a Court of Common Pleas
held at the Court house in Kingston in
and for the County of Ulster Being a Court of
record proceeding according according to the course of the Common Law Jurisdiction unlimited in point of amount Keeping a record of the proceedings In the Term of July 1820
Present}
Lucas Elmendorf first Judge
Jonathan Dubois
Jacob Trumpbour Junr { Judges}
On this fifth day of July 1820 personally appeared in open Court Jacob Spicer of the Town of Shandaken in the County of Ulster aged sixty three years who being first duly sworn according to Law doth declare as follows that he enlisted in Captain Jonathan Titus Company and Col Phillip Van Cortlands Regiment of New York Troops in the army of the revolution some time in or about the year 1777 for and during the war and served six years and five months and was regularly discharged at the close of the war on or about the 30th of June 1783  That I made my first declaration for a Pension on the seventh day of May 181 8 The Certificate of which is dated the 30th of June 1818  And I the said Jacob Spicer do further
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swear and declare that I was a Citizen
the United States on the 18th day of March 1818 and that I have not since that time by gift
sale or in any other manner disposed of my propert or any part thereof with intent thereby to diminish it so as to bring myself within the provisions of the Act of Congress entitled an act to provide for certain persons engaged in the land and naval service of the United States in the revolutionary war passed 18th March 1818  And I have not neither has any person in trust for me any properties or Securities contracts or Debts due to me nor have I any income other than what is contained in the schedule hereto annexed and by me subscribed

A schedule containing the whole real Estate and income of Jacob Spicer a Pensioner
under the act entitled an act to provide for certain persons engaged in the Land and Naval service of the United States in the revolutionary war
Real Estate I have none
Income I have none except my pension
I live on land of Freeborn Garretson about 23
acres at sufferance paying no rent and having no lease
I possess a pair of small staggs 5 years old $40 one Cow $12. 2 yearling studs not paid for $10
5 shoats $10 - 7 sheep $6- one old waggon $10 - one broken pung slay [sleigh] $2.50 - 1 Plough and Harrow $5-
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wooden Clock $3- 3 augers 1 hand saw & shaving knife $4.  house hold furniture in Value $10 one scythe and two axes. $3
Jacob Spicer

I do further depose that I have no occupation or trade but have heretofore been a day labourer for my support and am very much crippled and diseased with a severe Rheumatic complaint which incapacitates me
from maintaining myself by my own industry. That I have a family consisting of a wife named Sarah aged sixty one years who has been feeble and unable to support herself by labour for the last thirty years and untill I received my pension have been in part sustained by charity
I have two orphan children of my disceased son James Spicer dependent on me and supported by me one of whom is named Sally Spicer
aged about two years the other named Jacob aged about seven months who are attended and in part supported by the labour of another grand daughter living with me named Elmira Spicer of the age of nine years together with the labor of a grand son living with me named
John Manier aged nine years without whom and my pension I would be wholly unable to support myself and Family.
Jacob Spicer
Sworn and subscribed in open Court the fifth of July 1820 before me
Lucas Elmendorf first Judge
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I Christopher Tappen Junior, Clerk of the
Court of Common Pleas of Ulster County in
the State of New York do Certify that the foregoing Oath and the schedule thereunto annexed are truly copied from the originals on file in the office of said Clerk
And that it is the opinion of said Court that Jacob Spice is dependent on the aid of his country for support and that the Total amount in value of the property exhibited and the aforesaid schedule is one hundred and three Dollars.
Witness my hand and the seal of said Court
July 5th 1820.
Ch. Tappen Junior


[right margin] Jacob Spicer
Spicer
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N Y Roll

Correct
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Application for Pension. -- Sold by T. B. Jansen.

[United] States of America,
Ulster County} SS.
On this seventh day of May
in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eighteen before me,
the Subscriber one of the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas for Ulster County personally appears Jacob Spicer aged sixty one years,
or thereabouts, resident in Shandakan in the said County of Ulster who being by me first duly sworn, according to law, doth, on his oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the provision made by the Act of Congress, entitled, "An Act to provide for certain persons engaged in the Land and Naval Service of the United States, in the Revolutionary War:"  That he the said Jacob Spicer enlisted in March 1777 for during the war in Dutchess County in the state of
New York in the Company commanded by Captain Jonathan Titus in Colonel Van Cortlandt's regiment
Colonel Livingston's Regiment & afterwards that he continued to serve in the said corps,
or in the service of the United States, until the close of the war when he was discharged from service in Orange County - state of New York - that he was in the Battle at the taking
of Burgoyne; Cornwallis & with General
Sullivan against the Indians
and that he is in reduced circumstances, and stands in need of the assistance of his country for support; and that he has no other evidence now in his power of his said services.
Sworn to, and declared before me,
the day and year aforesaid, }
Abm Hoffman

Jacob Spicer

I Abraham Hoffman Judge &c as aforesaid
do certify, that it appears to my satisfaction that the said Jacob Spicer did serve in the Revolutionary War, as stated in the preceding declaration, against the common enemy; and I now transmit the proceedings and testimony taken and had before me to the Secretary of the Department of War, pursuant to the directions of the said Act.
Dated the seventh day of May 1818. 
Abm. Hoffman
The above named Abm. Hoffman is duly qualified as a Judge as above described & his signature above made is his own hand writing.  Witness the seal of said Court of which I am Clerk. Dated May 8. 1818-
Ch. Tappen Jnr
(Seal of the Court.) [no seal affixed]
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War Department
Pension Office under the pension act of July 7th 1838
State of New York
Delaware County
Delaware Common pleas & General Session of the peace of the Term of Feby 1843
Personally appeared before the Judges of our said Court on this 4th day of March 1843
James R Spicer who did declare before us on
oath and did then and there assert that his
name is James R. Spicer and that he is the Son
of Sarah Spicer deceased and that he is fifty
years of age that his fathers name was Jacob
and that his mothers name was Sarah.  That his
Father died somewhere about Seventeen years
ago [  ] his wife Sarah a widow and five children
Suviving him to wit James R. Spicer, Mocker Spicer, Jacob Spicer (Susannah wife of Robert Stack and Anna Wife of Lysander Swan) Robert Stack and Susannah his wife and Lysander Swan and Anna his wife his heirs at Law and that Sarah Spicer survived her husband after his death several years and during her lifetime the said Sarah did as the widow of Jacob Spicer deceased as aforesaid apply to the war department Pension Office of the United States for a Pension for the Relief of
Sarah the widow of the aforesaid Jacob and that the said James is informed and believes that sufficient proof were introduced to the Com of Pensions as clearly to prove the right of the aforesaid Sarah Spicer in her life time entitled to a pension under the
pension act of July 7th 1838 and that the
aforesaid Sarah Spicer died on the 30th August 184[illegible] and that the aforesaid James is heir at Law 1 Equal 5th part of said pension James R. Spicer  X his mark
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State of New York
Delaware County ss

I Crawford B Sheldon Clerk of the
County of Delaware and Clerk of
the Court of Common Pleas in
and for said County the same
being a Court of record do
certify that Robert Stack and
James R. Spicer appeared in open
Court before the Judges thereof and duly made oath to the truth set forth in the foregoing
affidavits by them Subscribed March 4th 1843.  In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my
hand and affixed the Seal of the said Court and
County March 4th 1843

C B Sheldon Clerk

[mark of seal]
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Sarah Spicer
decd N. Y. 
Act 7 July 38

admd  2 yrs - $80.
To. James R. Meeker & Jacob Spicer and Susannah Slack  X
Anna Swann only surviving children
husband died 30 Augt. '41

Hon. S. Gordon
Delhi  N. Y.
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Pension Office,
February 3th 1843.

Sir:
In answer to your enquiry in the case of Sarah
Spicer decd. I have the honor to inform you that the proofs on file are satisfactory to shew that she was married before 1794;  and that her husband's services are proved under the Act of 18th March 1818.  Her claim should be asserted by one of the children under the act of 7th July 1838 and a certificate of the Court shewing the date of her death and the names of the Children who survived her forwarded to this
Office
I have the honor to be
Very Respectfully
Your obt Servant
J L Edwards

Hon Samuel Gordon
House of Representatives
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State of New York
Delaware Common Pleas
Stopwell Slack being duly Sworn [illegible]
said Court before our said Judges on this 4th day of March 1843 did depose and Say that this deponents name is Robert Slack and that he was aquainted with Jacob Spicer and Sarah his wife in their lifetimes that Jacob Spicer has been dead as this deponent believes about 17 years and that at his death he left his Wife Sarah (a Widow and five children surviving him) the childrens names which Survived the father were Jacob James R Meeker Susannah and Anna to wit (3 Sons and 2 daughters) and that Susannah is now the wife of this deponent & was married to this deponent between 31 and 32 years ago to wit August 16th 1812 and from that time to this deponent has been intimately acquainted with the family of Jacob Spicer deceased and that Anna is now the Wife of Lysander Swan and has been married to him rising of 20 years that this deponent and Wife James R Spicer Lysander Swan and Anna his wife lives in Middletown Delaware County New York Meeker Spicer is living in Broome County town of Lisle New York  and Jacob Spicer lives in the town of [illegible] County of Otsego and State aforesaid and that Sarah Spicer the Widow of Jacob died at Lisle in the County of Broome on the 30th day of August 1841 that this deponent Saw her corpse after her decease and also saw her a few moments before her death and was present at her funeral at the time of the Widow Sarahs death he was living and was never married after the death of Jacob aforesaid with her Son Meeker in Lisle aforesaid and further this deponent saith not
Robert Slack
X his mark
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1st
Delhi, March 4th 1843 
J L Edwards Esq
the following document prents (presents) you with the asertion of James Spicer Son and heir at Law of Sarah Spicer deceased who died at the Town of Lisle in the County of Brome & State of Newyork on the 30th day of August 1841 and which Sarah was the Widow of Jacob Spicer decd. & in her lifetime was Entitled to a pension from proof on file in your Office of Services done by her deceased husband under the pension act of 1818 and of the Widow Sarahs marriage under the Act of July 7th 1838 as referance to your Letter addressed to the Hon. S Gordon of 3rd of February 1843 fully Showeth; and which address herewith is returned with this document and it further Showeth to you that Sarah Spicer at her death left the following children as the Legitimate heirs of her Estate To wit James E Spicer Meeker Spicer Jacob Spicer and Anna his wife and whereas they are all very poor I have no doubt but this subject will receive your earliest possible consideration.
Very respectfully yours Timothy Corbin [?]
for Hon. S Gordon Esq
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5042
Sarah Spicer
N. Y.
act 4 July '36
fraudulent
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A.  Dr. Sir:  Sarah Spicer makes application for a pension.  Enclosed are the documents entitling her to same.  You will please forward the certificate, if one be  granted to me, or make to me any communication in the premises you may deem proper to enable her to obtain it, if on examination the papers here enclosed shall be deemed insufficient by you. 
Your obt servant
S. Gordon
Delhi, N. Y. May 10, 1840
J. D. Edwards Esq.
B. 
Dr. Sir:  In conformity to your Letter dated Pension office July 29, 1840, relative to the application of Mrs. Sarah Spicer, widow of Jacob Spicer, deceased, I send the documentary evidence  of the cohabitancy of the said Mr. and Mrs. Spicer.  I hope it will prove satisfactory.  Indeed I do not see how any higher evidence of their living together as man and wife in the nature of things can be adduced.  No record of the marriage can be found other than that contained on the enclosed leaf of the family Bible, which I believe to be satisfactory to the law of Congress under which she claims to be allowed a pension.  Be pleased to inform me of your decision on this additional evidence, and if a pension be granted, send me the certificate at your earliest convenience.
Yours respectfully 
Samuel Gordon.
Hon. John L. Edwards
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Delhi. April 3, 1841. 
Dr. Sir: I hereby enclose to you further proof of the authenticity of the family record of Jacob Spicer, a Revolutionary pensioner, deceased from which the Bible leaf was taken and is now on file in the Department.  It seems to me that Mrs. Spicer under this proof is entitled to a pension, and that by no just or reasonable or sensible construction of the law, or consideration of the proof adduced can exclude her from interest in the bounty provided for the widows of Pensioners by the laws of her country, and I hope that the enclosed, in connection with the other proofs on file, will strike your judgement in the same favorable light.  
Yours respectfully, 
S. Gordon. 
Hon. J. L. Edwards.
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family Bible.

Meker Spicer X her mark.
Sworn and subscribed this 9th day of February, 1841, before me.
Albert D. Freeman, Justice
I certify that the above named Meker Spicer is a man whose character stands fair for truth and that full faith and
confidence out to be given to his declarations under oath
Albert D Freeman, Justice
State of New York.
Broome County } SS/
I, John C. Moore, Clerk of said County, do hereby certify
that Albert D. Freeman, Esq. whose name appears above, and
before whom the affidavit above purports to have been sworn
and by whom the above certificate purports to have been made,
was at the time said affidavit purports to have been sworn,
and said certificate made, a Justice of the Peace in and
for said County duly authorized to do the same. And that
I am acquainted with his handwriting, and believe his
signatures aforesaid above to be genuine. Witness my hand and
official seal at Binghamton, in said County, this 12th day of
February, A. D. 1841.
John C. Moore, Clerk
Seal.
Jacob Spicer was married to Sarah Meker May 10th 1783
Jacob Spicer Jr. born April 2d 1784
Susan Spicer, born June 4th 1786
Meker Spicer, born September 8th, 1788
James Spicer born June 8th 1790
Anna Spicer, born June 10th 1794.
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such, and that I am acquainted with the handwriting of such Justice, and verily believe his signatures above and within to be genuine.
Witness my hand and official seal at Binghamton in said County this 30th day of March A.D. 1841.
John C Moore
Clerk of said County
Seal
Broome County }ss
Personally appeared before me, Robert Black to me personally known, who being solemnly sworn according to law deposeth and saith: That thirty three years since
he married Susan the daughter of Jacob Spicer, a Revolutionary soldier, and afterwards a pensioner. Deponent also saith that within a year or two after he was married to the said Susan daughter of Jacob and Sarah Spicer, deponent came into the family of said Jacob Spicer to line, and lived there some years; that said Jacob Spicer often told deponent that he (said Jacob Spicer) kept as family record in the old Bible. This deponent further saith
that he never learned either to read or write himself, but that he often heard the family record read, and that he verily believes that the Bible which Sarah Spicer, the widow of Jacob Spicer (a deceased pensioner) has in her possession, is the same Bible which he then saw, and out of which he heard the family recent read. Deponent further saith that he heard Jacob Spicer complain that he was troubled to read the Bible which contained
the record because the print was so fine; and that his afterwards procured one of courser print. Deponent further
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saith that he never heard Jacob Spicer say who wrote the family record. And further this deponent saith not. 
Robert Slack X his Mark
Sworn and subscribed before me this 27th day of March
1841.  Charles A. Seymour Justice
I hereby certify that I am personally known to and acquainted with the above named deponent, Robert Slack and that his character for truth and veracity is good, and that his declarations under oath ought to be believed.
Charles A. Seymour Justice

5. State of New York,
Delaware County }ss.
Asa Grant of the town of Middletown in said county being duly sworn doth depose and say that at the town aforesaid in 1825. Sarah Spicer, widow of Jacob Spicer, put into the hands of this deponent certain papers relative to a right of dower she claimed as widow of the said Jacob to lands in the County of Seneca in said State. That one of which papers purported to be an affidavit of her brother Jonathan Meeker of Schoharry County proving her marriage to the said Jacob
Spicer at or shortly after the close of the Revolutionary war. This deponent having made search for said affidavit is satisfied that it is not in his possession but from a memorandum found believes that in the same year, to wit, 1825, he left it with other papers with Henry Montgomery of Covert in Seneca County, to be delivered to John Maynard and William Thomp.
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son Esquire of Ovid in said County of Seneca.
Asa Grant
Sworn and subscribed before me this 10th day of January 1840.
Warren Dimmick
Com of Deeds, &c.

State of New York
Delaware County }ss.
I Crawford B. Sheldon Clerk of the County of Delaware, do certify that Warren Dimmick the Commissioner
of Deed, before whom the above affidavit purports to have been sworn was at the date of the same a Commissioner of Deeds in and for said county, commissioned and sworn, and that his name subscribed to the above affidavit is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the said county. February 17 1840
C. B. Sheldon Clerk
(Seal)
Broome County, ss:
Personally appeared before me Meker Spicer who being duly and solemnly sworn according to law, deposeth
and saith that according to the best of his knowledge and belief he was born on the 8th day of September, 1784. This deponent further saith that he has a brother and sister older than himself and that he has always understood that his sister was something more than two years older than himself and that his brother Jacob was more than four years older than himself. This deponent further saith that his father kept a family record and that the Bible leaf hereunto annexed is his father's original record, and that said leaf was taken from his father's
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[handwritten]
Sworn to and subscribed this twenty second day of November
1839. Before me,
Joseph J. Borst,
Justice of the Peace.
I William M. Holton, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas
of the County of Schoharie in the State of New York do hereby
certify that Joseph J. Brest Esquire is a Justice of the
Peace of the town of Middleburgh in the said County of Schoharie,
and has been such Justice since January 1st. 1836
That the signatures subscribed to the foregoing jurats and
his genuine signatures. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto
set my hand and seal of office this 22d day of November
in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and
thirty nine
Seal.
William M. Holton, Clerk
3. State of New York.
Delaware County ss.
James R. Spicer, aged 47 years personally
appears before the Hon. Charles Hathaway first Judge of
the Court in and for the County of Delaware, State of New York, and on being first duly sworn according to law, doth
depose and say that his mother Sarah Spicer, now lives
in the County of Broome and State aforesaid, and is now
applying for pension by reason of the services of her
husband Joseph Spicer in the Revolutionary war. That
(according to said deponents best information, which he
verily believes to be true) the said Jacob served as a Private
in the New York line in said war several years until its
close that he was placed on the pension list of the New
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[handwritten]
York agency under the act of Congress of 18th March 1818.
and died on the 9th May 1824 leaving his mother the
said Sarah a widow that she drew the arrears of his
pension up to the time of his death that she is now living
and unmarried and remains a widow that the said deponent further saith that he has been to Noble Town at his
said mother's request to search for the record of her marriage
before Israel Spencer, Esquire, of that place -that he has
made diligent search and no record can be found - that
he inquired of his mother's father Robert Meeker and other
elderly and respectable people of that place who say
that said Israel Spencer Esquire keep no record of
marriages that John Maker and others had been
searching and enquiring some time before, and could find
no record whatever, that his mother's father the said Robert
Meeker, and also her brother John Becker and others told
him that they were present at the wedding of the said
Jacob Spicer and the said Sarah Meeker which took place
at Noble Town before Israel Spencer Esquire on the first day
of May Seventeen hundred and eighty three and saw them
married, that they now well recollect the fact of said
marriage. And this deponent further says he has called
on Henry Montgomery and William Thompson Esquires, of
Seneca County for the affidavit of the marriage of the
said Sarah Spicer, mentioned in the affidavit of Asa Grant
Esquire who severally informed this deponent that they had
no such affidavit in their custody, and had no recollection
of ever having seen it and also called at the office of
said John Mainard who was absent attending the
Senate of New York as a member of that body and was
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[handwritten]
informed by his wife and son that no such affidavit
had ever been received by him.
James R his mark Spicer
Sworn to and subscribed before me the sixth day of
April, 1840.
Chas Hathaway
First Judge of the County Court in and for the County of Delaware.
State of New York
Delaware County
I Crawford B. Sheldon Clerk of the Court,
& of Delaware, do certify that Charles Hathaway Esquire before
whom the foregoing affidavits purports to have been sworn,
was at the date of the same first Judge in and for
the County of Delaware, duly commissioned and qualified and
that his signature above written is genuine.
Given under my hand and seal of office this 6th day of April, 1840
C. B. Sheldon, Clerk.
4. Broome County, ss:
Personally appeared before me Maker Spicer, to me personally known, and being duly and solemnly sworn
according to law deposeth and saith, that he is the son
of Jacob Spicer, who died a Revolutionary pensioner, and that
his mother Sarah Spicer the widow of said Jacob Spicer
is making application for a pension. This deponent saith
that he (deponent) never learned to read or write, but that when
he was very young he recollects to have heard his father and
mother say that they kept a family record in the old Bible
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[handwritten]
and that after he arrived at manhood, he often heard
the family record read. Deponent further saith that the
Bible leaf sent to the Department and to which he has
before made oath was taken out of the said old Bible, and
that said Bible is now and has been since the death
of his father Jacob Spicer in the possession of his mother
the said Sarah Spicer Deponent further saith that he
does not recollect to have heard his father or mother
say who wrote the record sent to the Department, but
that it has always been referred to as being correct and
is the only one he ever knew to be kept in his fathers family
and further this deponent saith not.
Maker Spicer his X mark
Sworn to and subscribed before me this 27th day of
March, 1841.
Charles A. Seymour Justice
I hereby certify that I am personally acquainted with
Maker Spicer, the above named deponent, and
that his character for truth and veracity is good
and that his declaration under oath ought to be
believed
Charles S. Seymour Justice
State of New York
some county I do hereby certify that Charles A.
Seymour Esq. whose name appears to the above and within
certificates and before whom the above and within certificate & affidavits purport to have been sworn, was at the time
said certificates purport to have been made and said affidavits sworn, a Justice of the Peace in and for said County
duly elected and sworn, and duly authorized to act as
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(Copy)
1. Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the 3rd section of the act of Congress of the 4th July 1836

State of New York
Broom County ss}
     On this 19th day of March 1860, personally appeared before the Honorable William Seymour, first Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of said county Sarah Spicer, a resident of Chenanger in said count of Broome and State of New York, aged eighty years who being first duly sworn according to got law doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by act of Congress passed July 4, 1836, That she is the widow of Jacob Spicer, late a Revolutionary pensioner of the United States who served in the war of the Revolution as a private and was placed on the pension list under the act of Congress of March 12, 1818. She further declares that she was married to the said Jacob Spicer on the first day of May one thousand seven hundred and eighty-three that her husband the aforesaid Jacob Spier died on the 9th day of May 1824 and that she has remained a widow ever since that period as well more fully appear by reference to the proof heretofore annexed she further declares that she was married to the said Jacob Spicer when a soldier of the Revolution in he town of Nobletown now Hilldale Columbia County New York by Israel Spencer a Justice of the Peace
Sarah Spicer (X her mark)
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Sworn and subscribed this 19th day of March 1840
before me
Wm Seymour
First Judge of Broome Com Pleas
Broome County ss: I William Seymour, First Judge of
said county, do certify that the above named Sarah Spicer cannot by reason of bodily infirmity attend the Court of Common
Pleas of said County
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand,
March 19, 1840
Wm Seymour
March 19, 1840
State of New York
Broome County ⎬ ss
James R. Spicer, of Middletown, Delaware County, and
State of New York, being duly sworn, says he is a son of
Jacob and Sarah Spicer, and that his father the said Jacob
Spicer died on the 9th day of May, 1824; that his mother
the said Sarah Spicer, has not since intermarried, by
remains a widow. And further the deponent saith not
his
James R. Spicer
Mark
Sworn and subscribed this 19th day of March 1840, before me
Wm Seymour
First Judge of Broome Com. Pleas
State of New York
Broome County ⎬ I Barzilla Marvin Clerk of said
County do hereby certify that Hon. William Seymour, whose
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name appears above and within, and before whom the
above and within affidavits purport to have been sworn
was at the time of swearing or taking the same, first Judge
of said County Common Pleas, duly commissioned and sworn, &
duly authorized to act as such. And I am acquainted with
his handwriting and verily believe his signature to said affidavits
to be genuine
Witness my hand and official seal at Binghampton in
said County this 11th day of April AD 1840
Seal)
B. Marvin Clerk
J. C. Moore, Dep. Clk
2. State of New York.
Schoharie County
William W. C. Meeker, being first duly sworn, doth depose
and say that he is the son of Jonathan Meeker, That the said
Jonathan Meeker died in the town of Vienna, in the County of
Oneida in the month of February or March last. That said
Jonathan Meeker had resided in said town of Vienna for
about four years previous to his death. Previous to his residing
in said town of Vienna he had always resided for a long time as
this deponent recollects, and which is about thirty years in
the town of Middleburgh, in the County of Schoharie, in said
State of New York. That said Jonathan Meeker was the brother
of Sarah Spicer, widow of Jacob Spicer, who now resides in the
town of Lyle, in the County of Broome, That about twelve years
since the said Jonathan Meeker told this deponent that his
sister, the said Sarah Spicer, had called on him to make an
affidavit of her marriage to the said Jacob Spicer, and that
he had made such affidavit for the purpose of enabling ┃
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[handwritten]
Sarah Spicer to procure bounty lands for the services of
her husband in the Revolutionary war
William W. C. Maker
Sworn to and subscribed this twenty second day of November 1839. Before me
Joseph J. Borst.
Justice of the Peace
State of New York
Schoharie County. ⎬
Js.
John Meeker being first duly sworn doth depose
and say that he is the son of Jonathan Meeker. That the
said Jonathan Meeker died in the town of Vienna, in the
County of Oneida, in the month of February or March last.
That said Jonathan Meeker had resided in said town of Vienna for about four years previous to his death. Previous
to his residing in said town of Vienna he had always
resided for a long time as this deponent recollects and which
about thirty years in the town of Middleburgh in the
County of Schoharie in said State of New York. That said
Jonathan Meeker was the brother of Sarah Spicer, widow
of Jacob Spicer, who now resides in the town of Lyle, in the
County of Broome. That about ten years since the said Jonas
than Meeker told this deponent that his sister the said Sarah
Spicer, had called on him to make an affidavit of her
marriage to the said Jacob Spicer aforementioned, and
that he had made such affidavit for the purpose of
enabling said Sarah Spicer to procure bounty lands for
the services of her husband in the Revolutionary war
John Maker
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MCS
Rev. & 1812 Wars Section
October 11, 1924
Miss Catherine V. Moore
Librarian
Register and Tribune
Des Moines, Iowa
Madam:
I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, W.16735, it appears that Jacob Spicer enlisted in Dutchess County, New York, in March 1777, served as a private in Captain Jonathan Titus' Company, Colonel Livingston's and Philip Van Cortlandt's New York Regiments, was at the capture
of Burgoyne, in General Sullivan's expedition against the Indians, and at the surrender of Cornwallis, and was discharged June 30, 1783.
He was allowed pension on his application executed May 7, 1818, while a resident of Shandaken, Ulster County, New York, aged 61 years.
He died May 9, 1824.
He married in May 1783, at Nobletown (later Hillsdale, Columbia County, New York, Sarah, the daughter of Robert Meeker. She died at Lisle, Broome County, New York, August 30, 1841, and the pension due her was allowed March 15, 1843, to their children, James R., Meeker, Jacob, Susannah, wife of Robert Black, and Anna, wife of Lysander Stan.
Respectfully,
Commissioner
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[handwritten]
Please inform me of Jacob Spicer, (Spicer)
of the NY line, was returned as a wars
Man?
Has he [illegible] or children in
Bounty land:
H G. Sylvester
Pension Office
28 July 4
Mr Gordon Esq
Bounty Land Office
The Records in this office show that on the 7th July 1779, a Warrant
for 100 acres of land [illegible] of Jacob Spicer, a Private
of the 2d Regt New York line ______
Bounty Land Office
July 28, 1940
Jan 1 783 7310 Lot 3 & 84. No 36 473
Nov 4 1783 34 =    "     96 87658
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1913 Aug 6 Hist to Edgar
S. Spicer. Letter in S F. 42364
Jadez Spicer
1913 Sept. 23. Edgar S. Spicer
infd. of res of children
also given birth dates
and advised that bible
record not accepted
as authority.
1914 Dec 16 Hist to Edgar S Spicer
1915, Aug. 27. History to
Lama A. Madden
1915. Dec. 11. E. S. Spicer advised
date & place of soldiers
birth his parents and
place of his death -
burial not stated.
and how to apply to civil
Int. for place of death Aul
1916 May 26 Hist to R.E
 Van Syckle as on circular
1919 Jany 7 Hist. to George C Lloyd
1922 Oct 11 Hist to
Miss Catherine V. Moore

Rev WIDOW, &c.

File No. 16735
James R Meeker; Jacob Susanna 
Slack and Anna Span Children of
Jacob Spicer
Priv Rev War
Act July 7 1838
Index: Vol. M, Page 235
[Arrangement of 1870.]
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5.042
Sarah Spencer
NY
let to Arad Jay Jany 7th 1843
let to Hon Samuel Gorden Feby 3 1843

Act 7 July 1838
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See letter May 15, 1841
to S. Gordon and J. A.
Spencer do to J.A.
Spencer May 28, 1841
do to same June 18, 1841
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L Gordon
July 29 1840
O C
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Pension Office
July 29 1840
Sir
The papers of Mrs Sarah Spicer
widow of Jacob Spicer dec'd, have
been examined and placed on our
[illegible]. Mrs Spicer alleges that she
was married in May 1783. The
proof offered is not deemed sufficient.
Her late husband is [illegible]
Nov 4 1783. If no record of the
marriage can be found documentary
proof showing that they lived together
as husband & wife at any period prior
to No 4. 1783, will be satisfactory.
Say all
July 4 1836
5042

MS Gordon
Delhi NY
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Utica N. 29. Ap. 1841
J.L. Edwards Esq
Sir
Yesterday the papers of
the office of U.S. Atty for the N.D. of N. Y.
were transferred to me by N. S. Benton Esq
my predecessor, and I have now the
honor to open an official correspondence
with your department.
Your Com'm of the 17. inst enclosing
the papers in the case of Sarah Spicer
widow of Jacob Spicer, I have been
informed by Mr. Benton remains 
unanswered. This is an application for a
pension under the 3. Sec. of the act of
4 July 1836, and as I suppose the material
point for the applicant to establish is
that her marriage to her late husband
took place before the expiration of the
last period of his service.
For this purpose there is annexed 
to the affidavit of Meker Spicer that 
purports to be the leaf of an old bible with
the Family Register of Jacob Spicer written
on its back- In your letter you remark
"the reputed family Register is in the hand
writing of the agent S Gordon as is 
manifest from the comparison with his letters"
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In this opinion I [illegible]. The affidavit of Meker Spicer is written in a hand a little feigned, but it appears to me quite evident it is written by the same hand which wrote the letters. It is close beyond dispute that the affidavit of the Family Register were written by the same person. Both [illegible]. I have this morning submitted this bible leaf to the inspection of two practical printers of 45 years experience, Gentlemen of high standing in this city who inform me that this kind of type has not been in use more than 40 years; and that the Paper on which it is printed has not been made over about 30 years- Before this time paper had lears across it- This is called  [illegible] paper, smooth surface. This being [illegible] it proves beyond [illegible] that the "Family Register" instead of being the "original record" is a fabrication of a much more recent date. With a view to a thorough investigation of this matter it appears to me it will require the sending of an agent to the Counties of Deleware & Broome in search of facts & witnesses- Is there any provision by which the expence of such service can be paid? Or does the Gov. [governor] expect this office to incur the expence?
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I know Samuel Gordon personally & have done for several years. He has been a Lawyer in full practice at Delhi N.Y. some 15 or 20 years, well known to Selah R. Hobbie. Ny. of your city. Mr. G was a few years ago a Member of our State Leg. [legislature] [illegible] [illegible] Port [illegible] at Delhi until quite recently, and he is a Member of the present Congress of the U.S. His last letter under date of April 30. [illegible] as "M.C." It hardly seems possible that a gentleman of this standing can be guilty of such fraud & yet as in the case of Mitchell it cannot be pronounced impossible. Mr. Gordon will doubtless be at Washington in a few days as one of the Council of the Nation, and May make inquiries at your department in relation to their matter. You will if you please have an opportunity to make his acquaintance; and should you deem it prudent can know all about him by inquiring of [illegible] Hobbie. Meker Spicer is guilty of perjury if he has not been imposed upon of swearing to his affidavit. I observe he makes his mark & May therefore have been deceived. Should there be an investigation of his [illegible] [illegible]? In the declaration of Sarah Spicer
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made the 19. March 1840 I observe she states herself to the "aged Eighty years" In the affidavit of James R. Spicer taken before judge Hathaway on the 6. April 1840  He swears that he had been to Nobletown at his mother's request to search for the record of [illegible] marriage before Israel Spencer Est. of that place, that he has made diligent search and no record can be found. That he inquired of "his Mother's Father Robert Meeker" [underlined] and other elderly persons [illegible] (for to the marriage record.) This Robert Micker must have been unusually precaucious, or he is now quite venerable & May be laboring under a Lack of Memory which would shake his authority. [illegible] He says he is aged 47 years, on the 6. Apr. 40 The Family Record says his name is James Spicer born 8, June 1790- He must therefore have been about 50 years old. But he also makes his mark & May therefore be mistaken in many things- On the whole I am satisfied a great fraud has been attempted, but who are the guilty persons is not quite so clear. I shall be happy to hear from you soon & will promise to inflict so long a letter upon you as early as possible. I have the honor to be His, Your very obt [observant] servant J.A. Spencer U.S. atty. [attorney]
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Utica N.Y. May 10. 1841. Hon. J.L. Edwards Com. of Pensions.  Sir, I have the honor to acknowledge the [illegible] of yours of the 6 [illegible], & to [illegible] herefore with the papers in the matter of the fraud attempted upon the United States in the case of the application of Sarah Spicer for a pension. From the papers the letter which I had the honor to address you on the 29 [illegible]. I think you will be, with me, of the opinion that before the commencement of any proceedings to punish the perpetrators of this fraud, an attempt should be made to obtain the Bible from which the leaf on the false record is written, was taken. This will probably be destroyed at once upon the Commencement of prosecutions. I [illegible] Sir, Very respectfully Your obt. serve (observant servent) J.A. Spencer U.S. Atty.
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Hon S Gordon
15 May 1841
OC
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Pension Office 189
May 15. 1841
Sir,
The papers in support of the claim of Ms. Sarah Spicer unidas of Jacob Spicer, have been examined and will unami on life. Before any further mitigation can be had, it will be people that the Family Rifle, -- which the leaf was cut, centeaming contain intricit of brit, Ac. -- be sent to this office.
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HM.S. Gordon
--
N.York
Entelti. Lee
No5042
-- 4 July 1836
N.York---
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Utica N.Y. May 21. 1841.
Hon J. L. Edwards
Com of Pensions
Sir
I beg leave to inform you
that the Circuit Court of the U. S. for the Northern
District of N.Y. is held at Canandaigua on
the twenty second day of June next-- If the case
of the fraud attempted in the application of Mrs
Spicer for a pension is to be prosecuted, would it
not be well to present it to the Grand Jury then
to be [illegible]. The case must be tried at
Albany as the offense was committed in the Eastern
Division of the District, but the indictment may
be found any where in the Dist. The Dept. will
not probably be able to try the cause at the time
when he is indicted & unless the matter is presented 
at June the trial will probably go off till
October 1842. This just delay will [illegible] the
difficulty of exposing the fraud.
Very Respectfully
Your Obt. Sevt
J. A. Spenser
U.S. Atty.
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Pension office June 2d 1841 Sir, I have not yet heard from the parties concerned in the case of Sarah Spicer. On the 15th of May I wrote to Mr. Gordon, asking for the Bible out of which the paper purporting to be a Family Record was cut. No answer to the letter has been received. I now therefore send the papers to you. You will find them enclosed, and numbered from one to thirteen inclusive. I also enclose a copy of the last letter letter from Mr. Spencer, bearing date the 21st [illegible] From this letter you will perceive that Mr. Spencer thinks it advisable to lay the subject before the Grand Jury which is to be [illegible] at Canandaigua on the 22d of the present month. The cause, however, must be tried at Albany; and as Mr. Spencer seems to think that the Defendant will not be ready for trial at the present term, you will probably have to make another trip to the North. You will be obliged. I presume to go to the Counties of Delaware and Bloome in search of facts and [illegible] [illegible] Mr. Spencer intimated in his letter of the 29th of April. Canandaigua is [illegible] 300 miles from West Point, and in going there you can by going a little out of the way pass through Broome and Delaware. Canandaigua is in Ontario County, due east from Utica, where Mr Spencer resides, and Utica is due north of the western edge of Delaware county. You will not, I apprehend, have time sufficient to take Utica in your route from Broome and Delaware Counties to Canandaigua. You will I know [must crossed out] do the best [you can crossed out] that can be done in this matter. Your own good judgement will be a sufficient guide for you. Let me hear from you soon. your friend [initials] [name] West Point, N. York.
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[three words cut off at top] July 6. 1841 [initials]]
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Pen. Off.
July 6 '41
Sir
In answer to years of first respecting the case of one Sarah Spicer I have the honor to inform you that the Bible refered to in your letter was rec'd on 30 uth, but that no further investigation can take place here as the papers have been transmitted to the Dr Atto at Utica to investigate the proofs as to the date of the marriage with a view to remove or confirm an apprehension here that they cover an attempt at fraud
GC
Hon Saml Gordon
H. R.
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Pens Off
July 9th '41
Sir
In answer to yours of first
in the case of Sarah Spicer in which
you speak of the "want of explicitness" in my
letter of 6th I have the honor to assure
you of my readiness to afford you any
information respecting that case & the
measures, which the Dept has adopted to
ascertain & bring to justice the authors of an attempted fraud.
The Register offered in proof of the date of the
marriage is [illegible] in the paper type &
writing, conclusive evidence that it is not what
it is represented to be and it was therefore
forwarded to the Dpt. Atlo for the purpose
indicated in mine of 6 inst and it is
supposed that the case will be said
before the Grand Jury at Utica on Tuesday
next with a view to an indictment
under the act of 3 March 1823 to punish
fraud against the United States. My
letter then of 6 inst could not be more
explicit in the reply to your request to
have the case taken upon & disposed
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of than to make you acquainted with the
fact that the papers were in the hands of
the Dr Atlo for the purpose indicated and
consequently no further action on the case
could take place here-

Hon Saml Gordon
July 9th 1841
H. R.

Hon Saml Gordon
H. R.
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J.L. Edwards Esq
Com. Pens.
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Utica Nov. 8. 1844
Hon. J.L. Edwards
Comr of Pensions
Sir,
At the last term of the
U.S. Circuit Court at Albany, we had
no grand jury as Mr. Crump has
doubtless explained to you.
Albert D. Foreman Esq. attended
as a witness to whom I showed the
[illegible] family Record. He at once
said he thought them to be in the
hand writing of Jon B. Parsons,
and that Parsons came to him with
Meeker Spicer where the [illegible] was
taken. He promised to furnish
me with a specimen of Parsons
hand writing, which he has done
and I herewith enclose it with the
[illegible] that you and Mr. Crump May
look at both again-- I send also
copy of his letter to me.
I am inclined to think Parsons
is the writer of the [illegible] family
record-- I cannot make up
my mind that Mr. Gordon
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did it. I am not sure it will be
in the power of the Govt. to prove
with sufficient thought to convict
that R. is the quilty man.
When you have satisfied
your mind, please write me
what you advise me to do.
Very respectfully
Your obt. Servt
JA Spencer
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Arad Joy
Jany 7  '43
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77
Pen Off
Jany 3. 1843
Sir,
In answer to yours of 9
inst I would first enquire whether you
have been employed to renew the
claim of Sarah Spicer dec'd Her
husband was a pensioner under the
act of March 1818 and she [illegible]
a false claim under the act of 4 July
36 & offered a forged family Register
in support of the marriage, the
prosecution of this and is still pending-
Arad Joy Esqr
Ovid
Seneca Co.
N.Y.
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Jan 21 . 1843

D6. Spicer

Hon J. L. Edwards
Coms. of Pensions
Washington
D.C.
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Ovid Seneca Co. N. York
Jany 13th 1843
Hon JL Edwards
Dr. Sir
I have to my recd yours of the 7th
instant relating to & asking some questions relative
to Mrs Sarah Spicer, I feel always bound to give an
honest account of myself. I will therefore relate
truly all that I know of this case & why I have had
anything to do with it - viz, on the 9th day
of Nov last, I left home for New York, Trenton
+c - at Geneva I saw a Doct. S.H. Treat of
Lisle Broome Co N Y. who mentioned the case
of Mrs Spicer, & he mentioned that her former
agent had committed a crime & had been called
upon to answer for it (I think, at Albany,
but that the man (I think he said) had left there
and gone to Ohio, he did not mention that
any other person was implicated with him,
but spoke of the propriety inasmuch as that
agent was out of the way & as her son needed some
one to help in this matter of further inquiry being
made accordingly wrote to Lisle but rec'd no
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answer which confirmed me in the belief that the
Doctor was right that the sons were too headless to
write yet from what had passed, I considered it in
order, for me to make the inquiry at the pension office.
But I am surprised to hear that the widow
asserted a false claim, and cannot under the
circumstances have any thing to do with it-
Had it have turned out as I supposed it would
from what I learned from the Doctor; that the age
not only was in the wrong, I felt as of that ought
not to prejudice her claim, & it was unpon those
considerations alone that I have done as I have.
I will never, I have never made out
an application for a widow asserting a claim to
a pension, unless I first became fully satisfied
of the Justice of such claim, & if I after having
made the application, should learn any thing to
give me doubts as to the justice of the claim
I will drop them I will have nothing to do
further with them, I will deal with the 
government honestly & truly, as I would with a
private individual and as I would that such
individual should deal with me; I am
intimately acquainted with Hon John Maynard
& Hon C. Morgan, I was formerly acquainted with
V. Luce Ord. who may be in your office, Hon J.C.
Spencer I know well & he knows me will my reputation
I cheerfully refer to all of them-
your Most Obt servt Arad Joy
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From 1826 to 1831. I resided at Geneva
consequently, was in Hon J C Spencer Co + frequently
attended court at Male Court at Canandaigua + [illegible] +c-
I always attended as a Juror, having never been
chosen as a defendant in any such whatever
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Washington Jan. 30 1843
Dr. Sir
Mr. Hughston my [illegible] was
informed by the gentleman from the Pension
office who attended at Albany as a witness
whose name he had forgotten as the opinion
of that gentleman that the widow
Spicer was entitled to a pension on
the papers as [illegible] there was a matter
on the proof of her right thereto as it
was then addressed and on file in the
pension office and from the records
of the husband pension &c. in the War
office. I mean the gentleman who attended
as a witness the siting of the grand
jury last fall for the indictment of
Jonathan B Ponous. My object now is
to call your attention to the subject, to
have it called up, examined
into the result of the investigation communicated
to me. If she is entitled she
aught to have her claim allowed
notwithstanding the minimal conduct
of any person who may have been
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engage in getting testimony for her. I hope
it may be found that he is entitled.
Very respectfully
your obt Servt
J. Gordon
Hon. J. L. Edwards
Com of Pensions
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Hon. Saml Gordon
July 3 1843
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Pen off
Feby 3 43.
Sir
In answer to your
enquiry in the case of Sarah Spicer
dec'd, I have the honor to inform
you that the proofs on file are
satisfactory to shew that she was
married before 1794; & that her
husbands services are proved under the
act of 18 March 1818. Her claim
should be asserted by one of the
children under the act of 7 July
38. & a certificate of the Court
shewing the date of her death & the
names of the children who survived
her forwarded to this office.
Hon. Saml Gordon
A. R.
Page 65

Hon. J. L. Edwards
War Department
Washington City
D.C.

[written perpendicular over letter address]
Mar 9 .43
Ny.
Sarah Spicer

Hon. S. Gordon
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Hon J L Edwards
D. Sir
I send
Enclosed the necessary papers
in case of Sarah Spicer dec'd
as directed in your letter. please
forward me a certificate of
the amount of money coming
to the heirs of said Spicer.
Yours very respectfully
S. Gordon
Delhi Del Co March 4. 1843
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RAYMOND E. VAN SYCKLE
ATTORNEY AND COUNSELOR AT LAW
1729 FORD BUILDING
DETROIT, MICHIGAN

May 18 - 1916
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D.C.

Kindly advise data
concerning family + military service
of Jacob Spicer (1757-1824) applied
for pension 1818. res. Ulster Co. N.Y. Allowed.

Also concerning Widow Sarah
who died 1841. Broom Co. N.Y.

Thank you, I am
Yours truly
Raymond E. Van Syckle
Secty
Mich. Society Sons Amer Rev

[stamp] PENSION OFFICE US MAY 22 1916
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LAURA A. MADDEN, GENEALOGIST; Member of the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society; Author of the Harmons in the Revolution; Knight Family of America in preparation; Paddock Family and its Mayflower Ancestors in preparation; Worthington of Maryland in preparation.
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August twenty - third
Nineteen - fifteen
Mr. E. C. Tieman
Acting Commissioner
Pension Bureau
Dear Sir;-
In the New York Pension Rolls 1818 - 1820 p 442 is the following,
Jacob Spicer Private New York Continental Line.
Will you kindly let me know from your records all that appears there concerning this Jacob Spicer and oblige
Yours very Respectfully,
Laura A. Maddue

[stamp] PENSION OFFICE US AUG 24 1915
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Jacob Spicer D 1824
Sarah M. (May 1) 1783
Pen 1818

[very faded writing]
family record supposed to [illegible]
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Geo. C. Lloyd

[handwritten in upper right hand corner] Rev War

Poplar, Montana. 12-24-1918

Commissioner of Pensions,
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sir.

I would like the complete war record of the following named men. If you can furnish me a list of all the battles they were in I shall be very much pleased.

Jacob Spicer.

Faught for over seven years in the Revolutionary war. Enlisted from Dutchess Co. New York.

[postal stamp oriented upside down] 
PENSION 
N
U. JAN 2 1919 S.
OFFICE

Ebenzar Mitchel Holden.

I have been informed that he was in the [illegible]th Mass. Revolutionary war.

Jacob Spicer.

Was born at Butternut, , Otsego Co. New York and must have enlisted from there for the war of 1812. The Adjutant General informs me that there were two Jacob Spicers in the war of 1812, and one was a deserter.

The first two men were my Great-grandfathers. The other my Grandfather. I think the deserter is not my Grandfather as I understand he was granted a pension.

I would like a complete war record of these men.

Yours Truly,

[handwritten signature] Geo. C. Lloyd
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[handwritten]
Detroit, Mich.
151 Cicotte Ave.
Dec. 10, 1914
Edgar S. Spicer
U.S. Pension Beurea [Bureau]
National Capitol
Hon Sir: - Sometime
since you gave me records
&  I prized them so, but
unfortunately when our
house burned they were
destroyed. Is there
any way I can get
them again? I hate
to be
to trouble you but I
did so want to keep
them
(over )
[illegible] Edgar Spicer
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[handwritten]
(over)
-2
Most important was
1. Jacob Spicer of Dutchess [Duchess]
Co N. I think in 8th Co.
of 4th regiment, also
a sheet showing where,
in 1843 his five children
were living when paid
pension due mother
2. Ebenezer Mitchel
Holden a soldier of
Granville Mass. both
in Rev. War.
Your former work
was so scholary [scholarly] &
complete in detail
For any thing you can
do you have my heartfelt
Gratitude
Edgar S. Spicer
the
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[date stamp] DEC 12, 1914 U. S. Pension Office]
[handwritten]
This is my line back to two soldiers
soldiers [arrows pointing to two columns]
5 Jacob Spicer Sr.  b. 1757   5 E. M. Holden 1764
4. Jacob Spicer Jr.     m.        4 Persis Holden  b.1791
3. H. G. Spicer b. 1816
2. P. J. Spicer b 1852
1. Edgar S, Spicer b. 1882
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[handwritten]
Detroit Mich.
1035 Buchanan Ave
Sept 1, 1913
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D.C.
Hon. Sir:- Jacob
Spicer NY Revolutionary
soldier, married 1783
Sarah Meeker, recd pension
1818, died 1829.  She
must of recd widows pension
as she died Aug. 30, 1841
and pension due mother allowed
Children Mar. 15. 1843
Children named as:
1 James R. Spicer
2 Meeker Spicer
3. Jacob Spicer
4. Susannah Spicer married Robt Slack
5. [illegible] Spicer married Lysander Swan
I am interested mostly
in the son Jacob and if
you will send me
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[handwritten]
-2-
from Vouchers or other
available records any
information particularly showing
birth date or age and place of
Residence of children [underlined] Jacob [/underlined]
in particular it will be
more than appreciated and 
paid any thing reasonable
you ask.
Inlistment [Enlistment] was
from Dutchess Co. N.Y.
Jacob Spicer, Inlisted [Enlisted]
Petersham Mass. applied for
Pension in NY. State
Have you any thing to
show names, birthdate, Residence
of his children? He died
1824. Married 1781 to
Elizabeth Vanduesen of Dover
N. Y.
Thanking you in
advance for favor
I am gratefully
Edgar S. Spicer
P. S. [illegible]
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[handwritten]
Rev Sec
 Detroit, Mich
151 Cicotte Ave.
Sat. Dec. 4 - 1915
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D.C.
Honorable Sir:-
Referring to the
War record of Jacob
Spicer W.F 16735
have you any thing
to indicate his birth
[underlined] place [/underlined]  or [underlined] parentage [/underlined]
also his [underlined] place of Death [/underlined]
& [underlined] buried [/underlined], death occuring [occurring]
May 9, [underlined] 1824 [/underlined]
Thanking you for your kind
favor
I am Sincerely
Edgar S. Spicer 151 Cicotte Ave.
Detroit, Mich
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[stamp] U S Pension Office D DEC 6 1915 [/stamp]
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The Des Moines Register
and Des Moines
The Evening Tribune
Sunday Register FINAL
DES MOINES IOWA
September 17, 1924
Department of Interior,
Bureau of Pensions,
Washington, D. C.
Dear Sirs: -
I have been informed that you can give me the information which
I need preparatory to joining the D.A.R. organization, namely,
the military history of one Jacob Spicer, of Duchess county, New York.
As I understand it, there were two Jacob Spicers, one who fought
and one who ran away. Naturally it is the one who fought in whom
I am interested. He enlisted from Duchess County, New York in March
1777, and served until June 30, 1783. I know this much about him,
that he was under Captain Jonah (? ) Titus, Cole Livingston, and Philip
Van Courtland; that he was with General Sullivan at the capture of
Cornwallis. I don't know, either, that these facts are accurate.
His wife's name was Persis Holden Spicer.
I will certainly appreciate any information or help you can give
me.
Very truly yours,
[handwritten] Catherine V. Moore [/handwritten]
Librarian,
REGISTER AND TRIBUNE.
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RECORD DIVISION.
for
a So.
16
3 - 525.
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS.
Washington, D. C.,
DATES OF
received
19
In reply to your request of
a statement of the military history of
soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired
information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension
on file in this Bureau.
ENLISTMENT OR
APPOINTMENT.
-
LENGTH OF
SERVICE.
---
RANK.
OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED.
CAPTAIN.
3
COLONEL.
STATE.
on Cotham
=
R
Battles engaged in,
---
Residence of soldier at enlistment,
Date of application for pension,
-
Residence at date of application,
Age at date of application,
Remarks:
an
---
the
May 17
She died at Tule, Broom Co N Y.
Aug. 30, 1841 and the pension due her was allowed Mar 15, 1845
this children James R. Maker, Jacob, Susannah wife of Robert
Stack and
Very respectfully,
grander Swan
as were was to prosecution for fraud on Commissioner
account of any family bible being a forgery, and an
a son James to survived widow in part of the over
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[handwritten]
Coldell stating in 1820 that he had orphan children
of his son James living with him. I have
only used such family data as was accepted
by this office.  viz marriage, deaths & [illegible]
children to whom pension was awarded, in
making out this report
A Wilson
Aug. 6. 1913
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September 23, 1913.
Mr. Edgar S. Spicer.
103 Buchanan Avenue,
Detroit, Mich.
Sir:
In response to your letter dated the 1" and received
the 4" instant, you are advised that you were furnished the
record of Jabez Spicer, Revolutionary War pensioner sur. File
No. 42, 364, on August 6, 1913, and in that record it was stated
that there was no data on file as to his family.
In the Revolutionary War pension claim W. File No. 16, 735
of Jacob and Sarah Spicer, it appears that in 1843, their son
James R. resided in Middletown, Delaware County, New York:
son Meeker in Lisle, Broome County, New York; daughter Susannah
and her husband Robert Slack lived in Middletown, New York;
daughter Anna and her husband Lysander Swan in Middletown, New York, and son Jacob in Buttermits, Otsego County, New York.
In February 1841, what purported to be a leaf from the
family Bible of Jacob Spicer, was sent to the Pension Bureau,
but it was forwarded in April 1841, to the United States District
Attorney for the Northern District of New York, for investigation, as it was suspected of being a fabrication of the
agent who filed the claim, and not the original family record;
it was never returned to this Bureau or accepted as authentic.
[handwritten]
a son James B. [illegible] [/handwritten]
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The dates of birth of the children, as sworn on a copy of said paper, are as follows:
Jacob Spicer Jr. Born April 2, 1784.
Susan Spicer Born June 4, 1786.
Meker Spicer born September 8, 1788.
James Spicer born June 8, 1790.
Anna Spicer born June 10, 1794.
very respectfully
[illegible signature]
Commissioner.
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December 11, 1915.
Mr. Edgar S. Spicer,
151 Cicotte Avenue,
Detroit, Michigan.
Sir:
In response to your letter of the fourth instant,
you are advised that in the Revolutionary War pension
claims, Widow's File No. 16,735, of Jacob and Sarah Spicer,
the date and place of soldier's birth, the names of his
parents and the place of his death and burial, are not
stated.
It might be possible to obtain the place of his death
from the Auditor for the Interior Department, Washington, D. C.
to whom you should apply, citing all of the following data:
Jacob Spicer, pensioned under Certificate No. 1,366,,
issued June 30, 1818, Act of March 18, 1818, rate
$8. per month, to commence May 7, 1818, at the
New York Agency.
Very respectfully,
[illegible signature]
Commissioner.