Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S 14829, Joseph Webb, New York
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Service, name, number

New York,   Webb, Joseph     S14829







carded
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20.571
New York
Joseph Webb

of Delaware Co in the State of New York who was a Private in the Comp. commanded by Captain Sawyer of the Regt. commanded by Col. Allison in the New York line for 18 months.

Inscribed on the Roll of New York at the rate of 60 Dollars ---Cents per annum, to commence on the 4 day of March 1834.

Certificate of Pension issued the 21 day of Sep 1833 and sent to S. Lust     Deposit Villag
 
Arrears to the 21 of Sep '33  
$150
Semi-ann. allowance ending 4 Mar '34 
    30
  ________
                                                            
 $180

{Revolutionary Claim}
  [  ]   Jun 7, 1832
Recorded by Go C Stiles  Clerk,
Book E.  Vol. 4.  Page 39.
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14704

Joseph Webb

Delaware
N.Y.


adm.  (not readable)





5-11-12.16.   17-06
May. 8. 1833
p. 385



Simon Lusk
Deposit Village
N.Y.
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Brief in the case of Joseph Webb
 of Delaware County in the State of New York
  (Act 7th June, 1832.)

1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge :    court 
2.  If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?
3.  How old is he:  71  
4.  State his service, as directed in the form annexed.
Period  | Duration of Service | Rank| Names of General and Field Officers under whom served.

substituted for his father in 1776| 2 Months | as a private|Capt Sawyer  Col Allison
         do                               1777| not less than 3 Months|________|Capt Swesy
Volunteer   [1777] | 2 Months|_________|Capt Little, Col McLaughlin
1778 | 2 Months |________|Capt Swesy
Volunteer 1780 | 4 Months |________| Capt Mckinistry, Col DuBois
1781|3 Months |_________| Capt Brewster, Col Brown
            Intermitten    2 Months
between 1 & 2 months

The (unreadable)  much service which states at one full year in addition to the above.

5.  In what battles was he engaged?

6.  Where did he reside when he entered the service?  Orange county  New York

7.  Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the roll?     traditionary

8.  Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect?      Not connected as required

}{ Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.

F. Bradford
Examining Clerk
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State of New York
County of Delaware ss   I Crawford B Sheldon Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County of Delaware do hereby certify that the account contains the original proceedings of the Said Court in the matter of the applicate of Joseph Webb for a pension - hadin Said Court on ths 8th-day of October 1832 and further that Simeon Lusk before whom the affidavit subjected to the Said - proceeding purported to have been Sworn was at this date of the [unreadable] one of the Justices of the Peace in and for the Said County and that I am well acquainted with the handwriting of this Said Justice and believe his name Subscribed to said affidavit to be his proper hand writing and Signature - In teste mony where I have hereunto Set my hand and Seal of office this 29th day of May 1833.

C B Sheldon  Clerk
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State of New York}                                                                   Amended declaration
Delaware County fs}

Personally appeared before me this Undersigned a Justice of the peace in and for said County Joseph Webb to me known to be the identical Joseph Webb who made the following or annexed declaration who being duly sworn deposeth and saith that by reason of old age and the consequent lofs of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not lefs than the periods mentioned below and in the following grades, For two years and three months I served as a private soldier; For three months I served as a corporal; and for such service I claim a pension.
     And this deponent further saith that at the time of his making the foregoing declaration there was not any Clergyman whose affidavit or certificate he could procure as to his character and reputation of service, One of the only two clergyman who could understandingly, have given such certificate having thus lately died, and the other having removed to Philadelphia – nor is there now any clergyman whose testimony the deponent can procure to prove his character and reputation of service___
And this deponent further saith that he has no other or further record or evidence of his birth or age than what is contained in his annexed declaration to wit, he has a copy of a record of his birth made by his Father, which this deponent believes to be correct by which it appears that this deponent was born on the 2 day of September 1761


Left side bar:
Objection No 5.  Answer

Objection No. 11. 12. Answer
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That the original record of his birth is not, or never was in the deponents pofsefsion, and he does not know whether it can now be found or whether it is in existence- 
And this deponent refers to Esquire Benjamin Carman & Caleb Smith, Deacon Aaron Stiles of the presbyterian church and Deacon Stephen Stiles, Thaddeus Benedict and John Whitaker of the Baptist church, Capt Isaac Gillet, Benjamin Whitaker, Nathaniel Cook and Udney Leonard (among his neighbors) who can testify as to his character for veracity, and their belief of his services as a soldier of the Revolution.

Subscribed and Swon to                                                                          Joseph Webb
This 25th day of May 1833
before me Simon Lusk Justice of the peace




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2                                                 Joseph Webb

                                        14704

The claim for the agregate of 12 months in definite [unreadable] is allowed –

Aomd
10 mopri

60 $
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State of New York}
Delaware County fs}    On this eighth day of October A.D, 1832 personally appeared in open Court before the Judges of the court of Common Pleas of the county of Delaware and state aforesaid now sitting Joseph Webb a resident of the Town of Tompkins in the County and State aforesaid age seventy one years; who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of congrefs pafsed June 7th 1832.-
That he was born in the Town of Goshen in the County of Orange and State of New York on the 2d day of September 1761 as appears from the record of his birth made by his Father, a copy of which is now in his pofsefsion.  –
That he resided in Goshen aforesaid during and till several years after the Revolutionary War, whence he came to Tompkins about forty years since & has resided there ever since. – That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated. -  That he first entered the service as a substitute for his Father in the fall of the year 1776 and served in the militia at Hackensack in New Jersey for a term of two months in a Company commanded by Capt. Sawyer in Colo. Ellisons Regiment.  That in the spring of the following year (1777) he again entered the service as a substitute for his father in a company commanded by Captain Swezy and went first to Hackensack and thence to Fort Montgomery on the Hudson river,
Where he afsisted in building Fort Clinton, and in fixing a boom and chain acrofs the River. -  That he cannot state the precise length of time he was engaged in this service but he recollects that he went in April and was there i.e. on the Hudson at different times during the summer, being occasionally relieved by others. – He thinks he did not serve lefs than three months in the militia during that Spring & Summer.  That when fort Montgomery was taken by the British and they proceeded up the river, this declarant in the fall of the same year again entered the service as a Volunteer in a Company of which John Little was Captain and served two months in said Company in a Regiment under the Command
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Of Colo McLaughrin and first followed the British nearly to Esopus, and then on their return down the river & on several occasions annoying them from the shores, the residue of their term the company to which this declarant belonged were stationed at New Windsor and Murderer’s Creek. –
And this deponent further states that in the spring of the following year (1778) he again served two months at West Point in a company of militia commanded by Captain Swezey, and was employed in Cutting timber and building the fortifications at that place. – And that during the summer and fall of the same year he was several times called into service against the tories and Indians on the Minisink on the Delaware river and at Peenpack on the Neversink; and that during the following year (1779) he performed several tours of service in the militia at West Point and at Minisink the ,militia of Goshen being clafsed, and a part being being at all times in service, and being relieved at short intervals by others.-  And that this declarant performed all the tours of militia service required of his Father and himself in the class, altho except it sometimes happened that the militia were called out en mafs and both had to go at the same time.-  That in the Spring and Summer of the following year (1780) he served several short tours in the militia at Minisink and Peenpack & was at Peenpack when it was burnt by the Indians and tories. -  That some time in July of that year he entered the service as a volunteer for a three months service in a company commanded by Capt McKinstry in a Regiment commanded (as this declarant believes) by Colo Dubois on which one Fonda was adjutant. -   That this declarant & some others of the company first(sentence scribbled through)  went through to Albany, and joined the rest of the company & most of the Regiment and were marched thence to Schenectady where they staid a few days waiting for orders as this declarant understood. – They then were marched






Side bar: 2 months
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Up the Mohawk river to near the Little Falls when the company to which this declarant belonged was detached to Fort Dayton when and at Fort Herkimer they lay in garrison (except that this declarant with a part of said Company was once sent to guard a drove of callle (cattle) to Fort Stanwix) till their term of service expired when the company was dismifsed, and a part had left the fort on their return home, when they were met at a short distance from the fort by the British & Indians under Sir John Johnson (retreating from an incursion down the river where they had burnt Schoharie, Stone Arabia and other places) and were driven back to the fort.  That soon after the British had pafsed by the American militia under Genl. VanRenfselaer & Colo Dubis, arrived in pursuit, and this declarant (with the company to which he belonged generally) volunteered, and joined in pursuit for four days, when the pursuit was given over, and this declarant returned to Fort Herkimer.  That this declarant was absent from home on this last tour of service about four months. – That in the following year (1781 he again served in the militia at Minisink and Peenpack, till in the latter part of summer, he enlisted for three months service in a Company commanded by Capt. Henry Brewster, in Colo Weisenpelt’s Regiment, joined the Regiment at Fishkill, and in a few days commanded a march to White Plains and went as far as Peekskill where orders were received for the Regiment to go to Saratoga.  They accordingly took boats & sloops & went to Albany, thence by land to Half moon & thence to Saratoga, where they encamped, and were employed occasionally as scouts in search of Indian and tories, and on one occasion took two prisoners, one of whom was hung as a spy, and the other escaped from his guard.   That this declarant remained with and served in said Regiment till their term of enlistment expired when they were marched back to Albany & dismissed.  That in the following year (1782) this declarant served several short terms in the militia at Minisink and
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Peenpack to guard against the tories and Indians in that frontier. –   And this declarant further states that during the time above mentioned this declarant served two other tours of militia service the dates of which he cannot recollect. -  In one of which he served for two months in the winter season as one of a sergeant’s guard at the goal at Goshen to guard Claudias Smith and other Tory prisoners against an apprehended attempt to rescue them by their friends. – In the other he was engaged with a party of militia under a Sergeant by the name of Carpenter between one and two months in scouring the Sterling woods and mountains in search of tories and refugees, in which they took their prisoners and conveyed them to Poughkeepsie. -  That the above statement is drawn up from memory.  That he knows the facts and believes the dates to be correct.  That he recollects the following officers as being in command besides those above enumerated at the places where & under whom he served, to wit.  General James Clinton at Fort Montgomery, Genl McDougal at West Point, Colo Thurston, Major Hatfield, Major Decker, Capt (afterwards Maj) Westbrook, Capt Jones, Lieuts Saml Webb, Mosher & c.-  And this declarant further states that he has no means of ascertaining the precise length of time he served in the militia at Minisink and Peenpack, but this he does distinctly recollect, that he served two tours or more on that frontier in each of the years 1777, 1778, 1779, 1780, 1781 & 1782 and that said tours were from two to four weeks in length.  And that in the year 1779 he served three tours at West Point and he thinks that the whole length of time he served in the militia (exclusive of his engagements above mention for a particular period of time) could not in the whole fall short of one full year. -  And this declarant further states, that he never received any written discharge, and has no documentary evidence of his services and knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his services. -  He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state.   

Sworn & subscribed to this day           
and year aforesaid in open court.                                                                    Joseph Webb
 C. B. Sheldon, Clerk
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State of New York
Delaware County fs. Benjamin S. Carpenter of Bainbridge in the County of Chenango + State aforesaid being duly sworn deposeth and saith that he is a native of Goshen in the County of Orange, where he resided with the exception of short intervals till he was near thirty two years of age – That he is now in the sixty sixth year of his age – That he resided in Goshen during the Revolutionar War -  That he was then, and ever since has been acquainted with Joseph Webb, now of Tompkins in the County of Delaware, and State of New York an applicant for a pension for Revolutionary Service, who with his father, mother, Brother and sisters, also resided in Goshen aforesaid during the Revolutionary War- and lived about three miles distant from this deponent – That this deponent was young at the time and cannot recollect that he knew of any specific services rendered by the said Joseph Webb, who was several years older than this deponent, and with whom he was not therefore at that time so intimately acquainted as he was with his younger Brother and Sisters.  But he well remembers that often the British army look (took) possession of New York the Country was almost constantly in a state of alarm between the British on Hudson River and New Jersey, and the tories and the Indians on the Delaware at Minisink Peepack & Laxawaxen – That a company of militia was sent from Goshen to Hackensack; at other times the militia was called to the Hudson River to oppose the British and to afsist in building forts – and at other times they were called to oppose the tories and Indians – The Town of Goshen was situated as it were between two fires, and the militia were frequently called out in masfs sometimes one way, and sometimes the other way, and sometimes a part would go to oppose the British and the residents to oppose the tories & Indians at the same time – That a party of militia
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from Goshen was generall stationed at Minisink who were relieve at short intervals, others taking their place. This deponent, also recollects that during the war there were occasional enlistments of the militia of Goshen. For a two month, a three months, & six months service.  That at one line [time] several of the militia of Goshen went on a tour of three months service to the Mohawk River – and this deponent also recollects that during one or two years of the war the militia of Goshen were divided into clafses, and that each individual in the clafs had to perform a tour of duty in the militia in rotation, or furnish a substitute. And that in addition to this it would frequently happen that there would be a call for all the militia en mafs.  And this deponent further states that from his knowledge of the frequent and almost continuous calls upon the militia of Goshen he is of opinion that each individual being thus liable to do military duty at the beginning of the war and continuing to reside there, must have been called upon to do more than two years service in the militia in the course of the war – Independently of any occasional enlistments for a two or three months service.  And this deponent further saith that he ruly [truly?] believes that the said Joseph Webb did serve in the militia during the Revolutionary War whenever called upon so to do –

Subscribed & Sworn              }                                 Benjm  S. Carpenter
 This 8th day of September}
1832 before me and               }
I certify that Benjamin S. Carpenter is a creditable witnefs
Peter Pine Judge of Del. Com. Pleas
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State of New York}
Delaware County }

     I Anthony M. Paine Deputy Clerk of the said County do certify that Peter Pine before whom the annexed affidavit  reports to have been sworn was at the date of the same on of the judges of the Court of common pleas in an for said County and that I am acquainted with his handwriting and believe his name inscribed there to is his proper handwriting and signature – Witnefs my hand and seal of office this 8th day of October 1832
                                                                                                             Anth: M Paine Dept. Clk
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State of New York
Delaware County fs    We Darius Mapels residing in Tompkins in said County merchant.  And Silas Underwood also of Tompkins aforesaid Do hereby Certify that we are well acquainted with Joseph Webb, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be seventy one years of age.  That he is repected and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution and we concur in that opinion.

Sworn + Subscribed before me in                                                                 Darius Maples
Open Court October 8th 1832                                                                     Silas Underwood
C. B. Sheldon   Clerk


Delaware County  fs   James Kelsey of Tompkins in said County being duly sworn saith that he is well acquainted with, and has lived a near neighbor to Joseph Webb of Tompkins aforesaid + who has subscribed and sworn to this foregoing declaration, for more than thirty years las past, that from his first acquaintance with him he (this deponent) has understood and believes that said Webb was a soldier of the revolution and served in the militia on the Hudson + Mohawk rivers and at Minisink on the Delaware river, And has heard one Isaac Denton formerly of Goshen in the County of Orange say (more than 30 years since) that he, Denton served with said Webb as a soldier in the Revolutionary War - And further that said Webb is a man of reputability + veracity.

Sworn + Subscribed in open                                                                      James Kelsey
Court the day and year 
Aforesaid    C B Shelton Clerk
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Delaware County fs.  We Sarah R. Hobbie late of Delhi in said County now of Washington City and Peter Pine of Tompkins in said County and Judge of Delaware County Pleas do Certify that we have been for many years acquainted with Joseph Webb who has subscribed & sworn to the foregoing declaration, that he is a man of respectability in society, and we believe him to be a man of truth and veracity, and that his declaration is entitled to full credit-
Sworn & Subscribed this                                                                                                Peter Pine
Day and year at aforesaid                                                                                              S. R. Hobbs
In open Court
        C B Sheldon Clerk


And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after this investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogations by the war Department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier & served as he states  - And the said Court further Certify that it appears to them that Darius Maples, Silas Underwood & James Kelsey whose names appear to the preceding affidavits are residents of the Town of Tompkins, and are creditable persons and that their statements are entitled to credit.              

                                                                                                                              - Crawford B Sheldon
                                                                                                                              Clerk of the Court of Common
                                                                                                                              Pleas in and for the County
                                                                                                                               Of Delaware do Certify that
                                                                                                                               The foregoing contain the original 
                                                                                                                               proceedings of the said
                                                                                                                               Court in the matter of the
                                                                                                                               application of Joseph Webb for
                                                                                                                               a pension



In testimony whereof I have hereunto Set my hand and affixed the Seal of office this Eighth day of October 1832     

                                                                                                C B Sheldon Clerk.
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TREASURY DEPARTMENT

                                                                                                                    Second Comptroller’s Office,
                                                                                                                    January 15, 1840



Sir:

     Under the act of the 6th of April 1838, entitled “An act directing the transfer of money remaining 
unclaimed by certain Pensioners, and authorizing the payment of the same at the Treasury of the United 
States,” Joseph Webb, ---------------------- a Pensioner on the Roll of the Albany, Ny Agency, at the rate of 
Sixty – Dollars and     Cents per annum, under the law of the 7th June 1132, [1832], has been paid at this 
Department from the 4th of Sept. 1838, to the 4th March, 1839.

                                                                                        Respectfully, yours,
                                                                                        Albion K. Parris
                                                                                                                         Comptroller


To the Commissioner of Pensions,
                                       Present
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Rev War                                                                               14829
                                                                                           INVALID.

                                                                                     ________________

File NO. 14829

                      Joseph Webb

                       Priv Rev War

                                                                                       ______________

     Act:  June 7th 1832


Index: ---- Vol. 1    ,      Page 400

                                         
                                                                                   [Arrangement of 1870.]
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                                                               14704

                       Joseph Webb.

                             NY.







                    5.11.12.16.17


                      Simon Lusk
                           Deposit Village
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Jospeh Webb of Delaware Co  N.Y.  which require further proof or explanation.

I.  Does the declaration show where the applicant resides?      yes

II.  Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides?     yes

III.  If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so?         // 

IV.  Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served?     yes

V.  Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine 
     to what amount of pension he is entitled?        No

VI.  Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations?     yes

VIII.  Has the Court given their opinion?     yes

IX.  Has the Clerk given his certificate?     yes

X.  Is the Clerk's seal affixed?  And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal?    yes
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XI.  Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service?    No

XII.  If the clergy man's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it?      No

XIII.  If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witnesss, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had?    yes

XIV.  If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service?     xxx
        
        If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses?    xxx

        Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct?  xxx


XV.  Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?  xxx

XVI.  Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct?   No

XVII.  Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily?  And, if not, which of them is not so answered?        2   7
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Joseph Webb


papers



Hon. J. L. Edwards
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                                                                                      Deposit Village Del. Co. N.Y. / June 1, 1833


Sir,

     I again send the papers in the matter of the application of Joseph Webb for a pension duly authenticated in the manner specified in the note to Quere 16.- They are the same papers heretofore forwarded to your Departmen as you will perceive, with an affidavit prefixed thereto in form prescribed in note to Quere No. 5.  The affidavit also states the reason (which existed in all the cases which were represented through my agency) why he did not obtain and produce the affidavit of a Clergyman as to his character for veracity and belief of his services – The affidavit further states all that the applicant can state about the record of his age, and contains the most unexceptional references as to his character; to supply an [not readable] tent omifsion in his former declaration in that respect – I can perceive nothing wherein the applicant has failed to bring himself within the rule contained in the brief & circular accompanying the papers when returned to me –

Hon J. L. Edwards                                                                     Respectfully 
                                                                                                                  Your obed. Serv ‘.
                                                                                                                               Simon Lusk