Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 43671, Philip Helmer, New York
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Service New York
Helmer, Philip
Number S. 43671
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13,749
New York
Philip Helmer
of Palatine in the state of N. York
who was a private in the regiment commanded by
Colonel Nan Schaick of the NYork
line, for the term of 20 months 1777
Inscribed on the Roll of New York
at the rate of 8 Dollars per month, to commence on
the 24 of April 1818.
Certificate of Pension issued the 14 of July 1819
and sent to John L Lobdell
Esq. Johnstown, New York
Arrears to 4th of March 1819 10m.
7/30 - 4/31 - $82.89
Semi-anl. all'ce ending 4 Sept ... 48.-
$130.89
Revolutionary claim
Act 18th March, 1818
Continued on the roll under
the law of the 1 May 1820
Notification sent to John
L Lobdell 5 July 1820
Johnstown, N.Y.
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State of New York
Montgomery County
"Be it remembered that on the 24th day of April one thousand Eight hundred and Eighteen before me the subscriber one of the judges of the court of common pleas of the county of Montgomery and State of New York Personally appears Philip Helmer __________ aged Sixty years 11th day of June last {two words crossed out} in the town of Palatine - in said county who being by me first duly sworn according to Law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the provisions made by the late act of congress Entitled an act to provide for certain persons engaged in the Land and Naval service of the United States in the Revolutionary War - That the said Philip Helmer ----- enlisted in Stone Arabia in the State of New York in the company commanded by Andrus Finch ----- of the first New York Regiment commanded by Colonel Goose Van Schaick on or about the 15th day of January 1777 that he continued to serve in the said corps until on or about the first day of November 1779 when he was discharged from service at Fort Stanwix in the State of New York as a Private Soldier. that he again enlisted on the first day of April 1780 in Albany in the State of New York into the company commanded by captain Hamtremmick in the Regiment commanded by Colonel Dubois and  the
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New York line that he continued to serve in said corps until the 31st day of December in 1780 when he was again discharged from service at Morristown in New Jersey that his discharges are casually lost or destroyed. that he was in the Battle of Monmouth in the State of New Jersey at the retreat from Lake George on Sandy Hill and in Sullivan's expedition and that he is in reduced circumstances and stand in need of the assistance of his country for support, and that he has no other evidence now in his power of his said {illegible}

Philip Helmer {signature}

Sworn to and declared before me the day and year aforesaid --

James Hildreth {signature}

I, James Hildreth Judge of the court of common pleas of Montgomery County as aforesaid do certify that it appears to my satisfaction that the said Philip Helmer ----- did serve in the revolutionary War as stated in the preceeding declaration against the common Enemy and I now transmit the proceedings and testimony taken and had before me to the secretary for the
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State of New York
Montgomery County

I John McCarthy Clerk of the court of common pleas of the said County of Montgomery do certify that James Hildreth whose name appears Signed to the annexed Certificate and before whom the annexed declaration appears to have been made and sworn to, was one of the Judges of the court of common pleas in & for the said County on the 24th day of April 1818 In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of my office the 25th day of April 1818 ----

Jno.m Carthy {signature}

State of New York
Montgomery County

Matthias Wormwood late a soldier in the Army of the Revolutionary War against the common enemy being duly sworn, saith that he knows Philip Helmer the soldier in the preceeding declaration and certificate of his honor Judge Hildreth named -- that the said Philip Helmer served as a soldier in said War in captain Andrus Finch company in Colonel Van Schaicks regiment and New York line - And that he verrily believes the facts stated by the said Philip Helmer in the forgoing declaration and certificate to be substantially true

his
Matthias. X  Wormwood
mark

Sworn before me this
25th day of April 1818
James Hildreth {signature}
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State of New York
Montgomery County

John Earnest Pier being sworn sayth that he is personally acquainted with Philip Helmer the soldier in the preceeding declaration mentioned - that he is the same Philip Helmer that served in the Revolutionary War in Captain Andrus Finchs company Colonel Goshie {Goose} Van Schaicks Regiment and New York Line - that he enlisted into said company and Regiment at Stone Arabia in the State of New York on or about the fifteenth day of January one thousand seven hundred and seventy seven and continued in said corps untill on or about the first day of November one thousand seven hundred and seventy nine when he was discharged from service at Fort Stanwix in the State of New York as a private soldier that this deponent is personally acquainted with the pecuniary ability of the said Philip & knows he has no real or personal property and that he lives with one of his children & works at making some shoes occasionally for his support & which he has taken in hand & not been regularly taught

John E. Pier {signature)
Subscribed & sworn to this 14th
day of September in the year 1818
Before me Aaron Haring a Judge of Montgomery County Court {illegible) pleas N York State
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This may Certify that the Bearer hereof Philip Helmer was an Inlisted Private Soldier in my Company in first NY regiment Commanded by Colonel Goose Van Schaick he served faithfully Fighting the Common Enemy During three Campaigns Commencing in 1777 and ending 1779 when he was Discharged by the Colonel Commanding the Regiment, in the Campaign of 1778 he was in the Battle of Monmouth in the State of New Jersey he was also in the Retreat from Lake George Schirmishing with the Enemy at the time when my Lieut {lieutenant} Tobias Van Vechten was killed by the Enemy on Sandy Hill in the Campaign of 1777 after the evacuation of Ticonderoga he being in the decline of life aged 60 years the 11th day of June past and in Indigent Circumstances --- Given from under my hand at Manheim in the County of Herkimer this 21st day of April 1818

To Whom it may Concern

Andrus Finch late a Major under Colonel Marinus Willett
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Philip Helmer

Continued
13749
14 July 1819
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State of New York
County of Montgomery

On this 16th day of June 1820 personally appeared in open Court being a Court of Record for the said County of Montgomery called the Court of Common pleas, proceeding according to the principles of common law having the power of fine and imprisonment, Philip Helmer aged Sixty-three years, resident in Palatine in said State aforesaid who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath declare that he served in the Revolutionary War as follows: in Captain Andrus Finchs and Hamtramcks companies in Colonel Goorhee {Goose} Van Schaicks and Dubois regiments in the New York line an the Continental Establishment as will more fully appear in my original declaration - that the date of the original declaration was the 24th day of April 1818 and the number of his pension certificate is 13.749 and I solemnly swear that I was a resident citizen of the United States on the 18th day of March 1818 and that I have not since that time by gift, sale or any manner disposed of my property or any part thereof with intent thereby so to diminish it as to bring my self within the provisions of an Act of Congress entitled an act to provide for certain persons engaged in the land and naval service of the United States in the Revolutionary War, passed on the 18th day of March 1818 and that I have not nor has any person in trust for me any property or securities, contracts or debts due to me nor have I any income other than what is contained in the schedule hereto annexed and by me subscribed

Sworn to and declared in Open Court
the 16th day of June 1820
Jno McCarthy Clerk

his
Philip X Helmer
mark
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Real property I have none either in possession reversion remainder or expectancy - Personal property 1 cow old, 1 tea kettle copper 5 quarts 2 cups & saucers 6 knives & forks old, 5 spoons pewter, 1 milk cup, 1 teapot tin. old 2 bowls & plates, 1 small looking glass, 1 water pail, 1 old shovel & tongs - I owe Debts to the amount of fifty dollars I was brout {brought} up a farmer but have not been able to do any work for thirteen years past being lame by the means of Rheumatism - I have a wife living with me who is seventy years of age for whom I must provide. that I have no other means of support than what I receive from the pension of the United States and further saith not

his
Philip X Helmer
mark

Sworn under {illegible} this {whole line crossed out}
{Illegible} in open court {whole line crossed out}
John M Carthy {illegible} {signature crossed out}

State of New York
Montgomery County
Clerks Office

I John McCarthy Clerk of the Court of Common pleas in and for the said county do hereby certify that the foregoing oath and the schedule thereunto annexed are truly coppyed from the record of the said court and I further certify that it is proved to the satisfaction of the said court by the oothes of credible witnesses, and that it is the opinion of the said court that the total amount in value of the property exhibited in the aforesaid schedule is Twenty five dollars -
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In testimony where of I have set my hand and affixed the seal of the said court on the 16th day of June 1820
Jno McCarthy {signature}
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Rev. & 1812 Wars Section
MCS/eel

{handwritten note} drawn by {illegible}
absence of M.C.S.

November 3, 1928

Marvin C. Helmer
Box 252
Spirit Lake, Idaho

Sir:

I advise you that it appears from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 43671, that Philip Helmer was born June 11, 1757, place not stated.

He enlisted at Stone Arabia, New York, Janury 15, 1777, served as private in Captain Andrew Finck's Company in Colonel Goose Van Schaick's New York Regiment; he was in the battles of Lake George and Monmouth and was discharged November 1, 1779.

He enlisted April 1, 1780, served as private in Captain Hamtramck's Company in Colonel Du Bois' New York Regiment, and was discharged December 31, 1780.

He was allowed pension on his application executed April 24, 1818, at which time he was living in Palatine, Montgomery County, New York, with one of his children whose name was not stated.

In 1820 he stated that his wife was seventy years of age but did not state her name.
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The above noted is the only Philip Helmer that is found on the Revolutionary War records of this bureau.

It is suggested that you apply to the Director, New York State Library, Albany, New York, for information relative to Roberts "New York in the Revolution," and Bentries "Herkimer County Genealogies of theFirst Settlers of Albany".

Respectfully,

E.W. Morgan
Acting Commissioner.
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43671 {crossed out}
43761 {crossed out}

Re{illegible} INVALID

File No. 43,671
Philip Helmer
Prv Rev {illegible} D

Act: 18 March 18

Index: - Vol. 5, Page 221

1926. Aug 31 hist
to Mrs. R.C. Cummings MCS
1928 - noo - 3 - Hist to
Marvin C. Helmer MMSTF
1930 Feb. 3. hist to
Pascoe W. Williams U.C.S.
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24 April 1818
Philip Helmer
of Palatine - 
In Jan 1777 Enl in Col G Van Schaick
NYorks Regt & Served till Nov 1779
1st April 1780 Enl. Col. Dubois Regt.
served to 31st Dec 1780

Endorsed SCC

Honble James Hildreth Judge

Rejected, Willet's regiment
the G m men were -
not on Continental
establishment
By reference to Capt, Fink's
Commd whose name is on P.roll &
whose certificate is hereto annexed, it
appears that Fink was continental the time applicant served with him -
It was after that time {last three words underlined} he was a
Maj. in Willets regt
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State of New York
Montgomery County

Garret Merselis being sworn sayth that he is previously acquainted with Philip Helmer the soldier in the preceeding declaration mentioned, that he is the same Philip Helmer that served in the Revolutionary War in captain Andrew Finck company Colonel Gocher {Goose} Van Schaicks Regiment {illegible} New York Line - that he enlisted into said company and regiment at Stone Arabia in the State of New York on or about the fifteenth day of January one thousand seven hundred and seventy seven and continued in said corps until on or about the first day of November one thousand seven hundred seventy Nine, when he was discharged from service at Fort Stanwix in the State of New York as a private soldier - that he does not know any thing about the service in Colonel DuBois Regiment not belonging to said Regiment -

Garret Marseles {signature}

Subscribed & sworn to this
14th day of Sept 1818 Before
me Aaron Haring a Judge
of Montgomery County Com
mon Pleas N. York State

I Aaron Haring the last mentioned Judge do certify that it appears to my satisfaction that the said Philip Helmer did serve in the revolutionary war on the Continental establishment for the term stated in the preceeding declaration mentioned against the common enemy and that the said Philip is in reduced circumstances & stands in need of his countrys assistance for support, that the witnesses John E. Pier and Garret Marseles are entitled to full credit that with the former I have been personally acquainted for many years & common report for many years
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has invariably given the latter the like credit & good repute for truth & veracity. And that the said James Hildreth has been removed from office for nearly three months and I now transmit the proceedings & testimony had and taken before myself & James Hildreth Esquire late Judge to the Secretary for the Department of War pursuant & in obedience to the act of Congress aforesaid given under my hand this 14th day of September 1818

Aaron Haring {signature}

Major Fincks Certificate is in his own hand writing & annexed & the reason he was not sworn is that he invariably refuses to be sworn & the reason he gives to me is that his certificate ought to be taken this is his peculiar characteristic pride & singular disposition

A. H. {initials signed}

State of New York
Montgomery County

I John McCarthy Clerk of the Court of common pleas for the said County do Certify that Aaron Haring whose name appears signed to the above Certificate and before whom the within affadavit appears to have been made was one of the Judges of the Court of common please in and for the said County on the 14th day of September 1818. In witness whereof I have hereto set my hand & affixed the seal of the said Court the 17th day of September 1818,

Jno McCarthy {signature}
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33 William St.
Cortland, N.Y.
July 14, 1926.

Bureau of Pensions
War of Revolution

Please send a copy of services if you have their records of Philip Helmer Tryon County. Tribe's Hill near Johnstown New York. Several of the Helmers received land grants for their services in and around the Mohawk Valley. Thanking you in advance
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I remain.
Very truly yours,
Mrs. R.C. Cummings
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A-11-23  Form 538
Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul Railway
H.E. Byram, Mark W. Potter and Edward J. Brundage, Receivers
tO PUGET SOUND - ELECTRIFIED {Letterhead}

SPIRIT LAKE IDAHO OCTOBER 4TH-28
THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
WASHINGTON D C

{Stamped} DEPT. OF THE INTERIOR
RECEIVED
OCT 8 - 1928
TO {illegible faded} PENSIONS
SECY'S OFF {illegible faded} TS, MAILS & FILES
{oval stamp with a star at each end}

{handwritten note} Rev & 1812 Wars

GENTLEMEN:-

WILL YOU PLEASE GIVE ME A COPY OF REVOLUTION {ARY} {handwritten correction} WAR PENSION CLAIM S 43671 PHILIP HELMER.

WHERE CAN I GET A COPY OF " ROBERTS N Y IN THE REVOLUTION CAPT PHILIP HELMER PAGE 22..55 and PAGE 175.  BENTRIES HERKIMER COUNTY GENEALOGIES OF THE FIRST SETTLERS OF ALBANY"  THE ABOVE IS ALL THE DATA I HAVE BUT NEED IT AS WISH TO JOIN THE SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.

ANY INFORMATION WILL BE APPRECIATED.

{stamped} OFFICE OF
THE CHIEF CLERK
OCT 8 - 1928
BUREAU OF PENSIONS
{oval stamp}

YOURS SINCERELY,

MARVIN C HELMER

BOX 252
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621 Providence St., Albany, N.Y.,
January 30, 1930.

The Pension Office,
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sirs;-

{handwritten check mark} Will you kindly give me the military and pension record of Philip Helmer {underlined} and {handwritten checkmark} Leonard Helmer who served in the Revolutionary War from New York State.  They lived in the vicinity of Stone Arabia, Herkimer, and German Flats. I would like to obtain the full names of thier wives, all the children, and their parents if possible.

I have the record of two men by the name of Philip Helmer, but not sufficient to be of any use.  I do not know the names of their wives.  One Philip Helmer had a son by the name of George.

If you are able to give me any information, I will greatly appreciate the courtesy.

Yours truly,

Pascoe W. Williams {signature}

{stamped - faded}
{illegible}
8
FEB
U.   1
1930
OFFICE
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MCS {handwritten in top right corner}

Rev. & 1812 Wars Section

August 31, 1926

Mrs. R. C. Cummings
33 William St.
Cortland, N.Y.

Madam:

I have to advise you that it appears from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claims, S. 43671, that PHILIP HELMER was born June 11, 1757, no place stated.

He enlisted at Stone Arabia, New York, January 15, 1777, served as private in Captain Andrew Finck's Company in Colonel Goose Van Schaick's New York Regiment; he was in the battles of Lake George and Monmouth and was discharged November 1, 1779.

He enlisted April 1, 1780, served as private in Captain Hamtramck's Company in Colonel DuBois' New York regiment, and was discharged December 31, 1780.

He was allowed pension on his application executed April 24, 1818, at which time he was living in Palatine, Montgomery County, New York, with one of his children whose name is not stated.

In 1820 he stated that his wife was seventy years of age but he did not state her name.

The above noted is the only Philip Helmer that I found on the Revolutionary War records of this Bureau.

Respectfully,

Winfield Scott
Commissioner
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MCS {handwritten in top right corner}

Rev. & 1812 Wars Section

February 3, 1930

Pascoe W. Williams
621 Providence St.
Albany, New York

Dear Sir:

I advise you that it appears from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 43671, that Philip Helmer was born June 11, 1757, place not stated.

He enlisted at Stone Arabia, New York, January 15, 1777, served as private in Captain Andrew Finck's Company in Colonel Goose Van Schaick's New York Regiment; he was in the battles of Lake George and Monmouth and was discharged November 1, 1779.  He enlisted April 1, 1780, served as private in Captain Hamtramck's Company in Colonel DuBois' New York regiment, and was discharged December 31, 1780.

He was allowed pension on his application executed April 24, 1818, at which time he was living in Palatine, Montgomery County, New York, with one of his children whose name is not stated.

In 1820 he stated that his wife was seventy years of age but he did not state her name.

This is the history of the only soldier named Philip Helmer that is found on the Revolutionary War records of this bureau and there is no record of a Leonard Helmer.

Very truly yours,

KARL D. CHURCH
Commissioner