Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 10898, John Huling, New York
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(8-1776)

SERVICE
New York 

Houling, John 

NUMBER
S. 10898

[handwritten] carded

CONTENTS
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(20.526)
New York
John Huling of Saratoga in the State of N.York who was a private in the Comp. [Company] commanded by Captain Vail of the Regt.[Regiment] commanded by Col. Birdswell in the N. York line for 10 mo 8 d.
$22.33 + 88 = $34.21

Inscribed on the Roll of New York at the rate of 34 Dollars 21 Cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.

Certificate of Pension issued the 19 day of Sep. 1833 and [illegible] W.L.F. Warren Saratoga springs

Arrears to the 4th of Sep '33 $85.52 + 17.10 = $102.62 Semi-ann. allowance ending [illegible]

Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832
Recorded by Gob Stiles [?] Clerk
Book E. Vol. 4. Page 91.
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18081
John Huling
a.e.i.

68 42
17.10
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Mr L F Warren
Saratoga springs
NY
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WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
183

Sir: 
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: } ). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.

A Statement, shewing the service of John Huling Saratoga County New York


[Chart]
Period when the service was rendered.| Duration of the claimant's service.|Years.|Months.|Days.| Rank of the claimant.| Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served.| Names and Rank of the General and Field officers.| Battles in which the applicant was engaged.| Country through which he marched.| Place of abode when he entered the service, and age at the present period.| Evidence by which the declaration is supported.

[[unclear ( "sub June"??)] 1778 | " | 3 | pir [?] | Capt ["" in superscript] Vail | Colo [abbrev. "Colonel"; final "o" in superscript]  Burdspall [? (name unclear) ] | [blank] | Fishkill Barracks | Beekmantown Dutchess County New York  | Living Witness as to (illegible words)
do 1778 8 do Morey Newport  [two illegible words]
[illegible] 1778 1 do West Hays Ft Constitution New York [illegible]
[illegible] 1779 3 do Ler Cortland Nest pt [illegible]
10 or 18 months Hall as to part
70 years

I am, respectfully, Your obedient servant, J. L. EDWARDS, Commissioner of Pensions.
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REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832

The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.

Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
1. The Regular Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3. Persons employed in the Naval service.
4. Indian Spies.

As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department all persons, claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where each applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.

DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June 1832.

State, Territory, or District of  } 33.
County of [blank]
On this [blank] day of [blank] personally appeared (a) before [blank] A.B. a resident (b) of [blank] in the county of [blank] and State, Territory or District of [blank] aged (c) [blank] years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provion made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) [blank], with [blank] and served in the [blank] (e) regiment of the [blank] line, under the following named officers:

{Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers, the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he enered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged and the country through which he marched. [illustration of a hand pointing right] This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.}

He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of he Agency in the State of [blank]
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.                    A.B.
{And then will follow the certificate of the Court.}
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I [blank] of the Court of [blank] do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of [blank] for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this [blank] day of [blank] &c.

If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troop[s of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following addition, viz:
(k) We, A.B., a Clergyman, residing in the [blank] and C.D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with [blank], who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be [blank] years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.

{And then will follow the certificate of the Court.}
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears them that A.B. [blank] who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the [blank] and that C.C., who has also signed the same is a resident in the [blank] and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, [blank] Clerk of the Court of [blank] do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the applicacation of [blank] for a pension.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this [blank] day of [blank] &c. 
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power, This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person
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will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts state I will afford one of the principal
means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be at-
tempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. 
All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there 
subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account
of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State
 troops of Virginia.
1. Where and in what year were you born?
2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary 
war, and where do you now live?
4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute?
And if a substitute, for whom>
5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such 
Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general  circumstances of your services. 
6. [Italicized]{To a Solider.{Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it?
   [Italicized]{To an Officer.{Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant. 
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons -  one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is  deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be a very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject. 
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justices of a court of Record or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of  the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832,; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
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Saratoga: John Hulin being duly sworn doth further say that he has resided at Saratoga Springs only about one year past. And that he is personally unacquainted with any clergyman residing in said town + that they are personally unacquainted with him + that for this reason he is unable to procure their certificate of his character for the purpose of this application he has made for a pensioner. 
Sworn in open Court before John Huling
on this 1 Day of November
1832
E Cowen
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State of New York
Saratoga
On the 25th of Sept. 1832 personally appeared in open court before Erik Cowen Vice Chancellor of the Court of Chancery in + for the fourth circuit of said state, was sitting John Huling resident of Saratoga Springs in said County aged Seventy years, who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the Benefit of the act of congress passed June 7 1832 that he entered the services of the United States under the following name or [illegible].
In the question when + in what years were you born? He says in Beekmantown Dutchess County in said State on 10th April 1762.
In the question have you any record of your age? He says he has no record of his age.
In the question where were you living when called into service, when have you lived since the revolutionary War + Where do you now live? He says he lived within said town of Beekmantown when called into service + since then in [illegible] within a year he has removed to Saratoga Springs. 
To the question How were you called into Service were you drafted did you volunteer or were you a substitute + if a substitute of whom? He answers + says that in June 1778 he went into Service at said town of Beekmantown as a substitute for one John Goosling who was drafted for 3 months - he served that 3 months under Col. Brig. Birdsall + Capt Israel Vaill most of the time at Fishkill Barracks + the latter part at West Point where he was discharged without waiting. There was no fighting during this service – about a month after this he went into service as a Substitute for one Daniel Crous who was drafted 8 days in an alarm [illegible] under Capt. Roger Morey + Lieut. Tillinghast Bentley
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[Bent]ley near West Point in the highlands + served 8 days + was discharged but not in writing. In the same season he served as a volunteer one month at Fort Constitution opposite West Point under Col. Hays + Capt. Frances West. In 1779 he enlisted in the 9 months service at Beekmantown + served under Col. Cortland Capt. Thomas Lee at West Point + assisted in strengthening the outworks [?] of Fort Putnam which had previously been built – he served only 3 months + was verbally discharged till further called for but was never called for during that 9 months. There was no fighting – after this he was ordered to be in readiness at a [illegible] call to go on sudden alarm, + was so in readiness during the War. He was called out on alarms + to fight Tories + Robbers more times than he can remember. He remembers serving several days at a time under Capt. [illegible] Hall, Roger Morey + Lieut. Tillinghast Bentley as a guard to look out + take up Robbers + Tories who were stealing + robbing thro Dutchess County. His whole service in this way he believes amounted to ten or twelve months. [Word crossed out]

To the question state the names of some of the regular officers who were with the troops when you served, such continental + militia regiments as you can [illegible] + the general circumstances of your service? he says he cannot [illegible] more fully than he has done.

To the question did you ever recieve [sic] a discharge from service? he says none in writing

On being asked to state the names of the persons to whom he was known in his [illegible] + who could testify as to his character for veracity + their belief of his services as a Soldier of the revolution – he stated the names of John H Steel [illegible] Cook John Wilnet [illegible] Carpenter
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Jace Saoles, Daniel Crawford & others -
He says he has no documentary evidence of his service & knows of no persons now living whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his services. Except George Bentley whose affidavit is hereto annexed- 
And he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present & declares that his name is not on the pension role of the agency of any State.
John Huling

Sworn to & subscribed
the 25th Sept. 1832 in
open court before me

G.M. Davison,
Clerk in Chancery.

We Ransom Cook & Daniel Crawford residing in Saratoga Springs in the County of Saratoga hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Huling who has subscribed & sworn to the above declaration. That we believe him to be of seventy years of age- That he is reputed & believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have bee a Soldier of the Revolution & that we concur in that opinion-
Ransom Cook
Daniel Crawford

Sworn & subscribed this
25th Sept 1832 in open 
court before me
G.M. Davison
Clerk in Chancery
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State of New York
Saratoga Ss:  George Bentley being duly sworn says that he lived a neighbor & was brought up with John Huling and in the annexed papers, That he knew him when he was called into service in the Revolutionary War. That the said John went in June 1778 as a substitute for John Goosling who was drafted for 3 months. And deponent knows that since Huling served that 3 months, as is stated in said Declaration hereto annexed. Said Huling then came home & a month or six weeks after he went as a Substitute again for Daniel Crows, for several Days during an alarm under Capt. Morey & Lieutenant Tillinghast Bentley who was my father. Deponent also knows that said Huling served as a Volunteer about one month at Fort Constitution opposite West Point, Deponent was at this time at Valley Forge but deponent was home a part of the time in ill health. I knew the service of said Hulin as above stated. Deponent says he knows said Huling enlisted in the 9 months service & he frequently saw him in the service at West Point, But how long he served then Deponent cannot now say. Deponent says that his father & Huling's father lived near neighbors in Beekman Town Dutchess County in the State of New York & deponent was often home & every little while had opportunities of seeing said Hulin & knowing his employment. He says that after the said first months service, there were frequent
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as a minute man continued thru this war as deponent believes & is certain that it continued more than two years. HIs service would last sometimes a day or two, or a night or 2 & it was very frequent in that neighborhood. Deponent says he is 75 years of age & said Huling is [illegible] 70 years which deponent believes his true [age].
his
George X Bentley
mark

[affirmation statement is mostly blotted out]
Swor---bed the 11th ---1832, in op-- --fore me --en
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And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the Investigation of the matter & after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the was department that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier & served as he states, And the court further certifies that it appears to them that Ransom Cook who has signed the preceeding certificate is a Resident of Saratoga Springs in said County & that [crossed out John H Steed] Daniel Crawford who has also signed the same is a Resident of the same place in said County & that both are Credible Persons & that their Statement is entitled to Credit as well as the other persons who have signed said certificate. E Cowen, Vice Ch. 4 Circ [crossed out E. Cowen, Vice Ch. 4th Circ. N.Y.]
I Gideon M Davison Clerk of the Court of Count of Chancery in & for the 4th Circuit in & for the County of Saratoga do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of John Huling for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal of office this 5th [11th is crossed out] day of November [September is crossed out] 1832.
G.M. Davison, Clerk
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State of New York
Saratoga Ss: Personally appeared before me the undersigned a Justice of the peace of said County John Hulin who being duly sworn deposeth & saith that by reason of old age & the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below in the grade of a Private: For three months I served as a private under Col. Birdsall & Cap. Vaill. For eight Days I served as a private under Captain Morey. For one month I served as a private under Col Hayes & Capt. West; under Col Cortland, Capt Lee's Company I was in active service three months I enlisted for 9 months, but was discharged at the End of three months till further called for but was not called for. The incidence of his service was on alarms as stated in his declaration for which kind of service deponent understands he cannot be allowed & therefore does not state it - 
The whole period of service as above stated Including the said 9 months Substituent amounts to thirteen months & eight days for which he claims a pension-
And deponent says that he cannot procure the Certificate of a Clergyman for the reason stated in the annexed papers. 
John Huling

Sworn and subscribed this 25 Day of May 1833 before me.
Ransom Cook  Justice of the Peace
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State of New York
Saratoga County}Ss

I Alpheaus Goodrich Clerk of the County of Saratoga do certify that Ransom Cook, before whom the within affidavit purports to have been sworn; also before whom the within Power of Attorney purports to have been acknowledged, was at the date of the same, one of the Justices of the Peace in and for said County and that I am acquainted with his hand writing and verily believe his name subscribed to the said Affidavit, and the acknowledgement of  the execution of the said Power to be his proper hand writing and signature.

Witness my hand and seal of Office the 28 day of May 1833

A Goodrich Clerk
[impressed round seal, mostly illegible] SARATOGA COUNTY

[sideways Adm^d
[underlined] 16 mo. 8 Ds pri
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REV and 1812
Ware Section
EEL/HMN

April 29 1930

Miss Mildred E Deyoe
108 W Madison Avenue
Johnstown
New York.

Dead Madam:

I advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War Pension claim S. 10898, it appears that John Huling was born April 10 1762 in Beekmantown, Dutchess County, New york. 

While residing in Beekmantown, New York, he enlisted and served with the New York troops as follows:
From in June 1778 tree months in Captain Israel Vail's Company, Colonel Benjamin Birdsall's Regiment: about a month after the expiration of his service, he enlisted and served eight days in Captain Roger Morey's Company, and in the same year served one month in Captian Francis West's Company, Colonel Hays' Regiment. 

In 1779, Exact date not stated, he enlisted and served three months in Captian Thomas Lee's Company Colonel Cortland's Regiment. 

During the remainder of the war he served in various other amounting in all to at least ten or twelve months under Morey and was out against the Tories.

After the was her lived in Milton, then moved to Saratoga Springs, Srartoga County, New York, of which place he was a resident when he was allowed pension on his application executed September 25th 1832.

There are no data as to family

in order to identify the record of particular soldier
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named Samuel Dowing, in whom you are interested, it is essential that you furnish as much as possible of the following data pertaining to him: approximate dates of birth and death, places of residence at enlistment and after service, and given name of widow.

Very truly yours, 
E. W. MORGAN
Action Commissioner

[Hand written] Date of death not on HB
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File No. 10,898
John Huling
Priv Rev War
June 7th 1831
Index Vol A Page 185

June 27/94 illegible 
Alden S. Huling 617 w 10
Topeka Kans
1930 Apr 29 Hist. to miss Mildred E Deyoe
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[Stamp] 
Pension
U.S. 
FEB 
12
1930 
OFFICE
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[handwritten]

W 8 W. Madison Avenue 
Johnstown, New York
February 10, 1930
US. Depart. of Interior
Pension Bureau,
Washington, D.C.

Gentleman,
Will you kindly send me a copy of the widow's pension on the war services of John Huling born April 10, 1762 at Beckmantown, N.Y. He lived at Saratoga when he applied for pension Sept. 25, 1832. Also for the pension
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of Samuel Downing [underlined] Downing [written next to the name because it wasn't written clearly] born Nov. 30, 1761. Is [illegible] like all the dates & information regarding his wife & children that you can give me. I wish the information on these two men in order to join the D.A.R. I shall greatly appreciate your assistance. 
Yours Truly,
Mildred E. Deyoe


[On the right of the page written with a different pen there are two equations.]

1820
    55
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1765

1818
    52
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1
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[Stamped] PENSION JUN 11 1894 US OFFICE

[Stamped] OLD WAR & NAVY JUN 13(18?) 1894 FILES
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DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, BUREAU OF PENSIONS, WASHINGTON, D. C., March 21, 1894.

Sir:- In the returning herewith the letter of your correspondent, Mr. Alden S. Huling Of 813 Tyler Street (hand written note See Change Below [concerning address]) Topeka, Kansas, who desires the history of his Revolutionary ancestor, John Huling, I have the honor to advise you that before a satisfactory search can be made it will be necessary to supply the soldier's place of residence before and after service, and the christian name of his widow, if one survived him. Upon receipt of this data a careful search will be made and your correspondent advised of the result. Very respectfully, Wm Lochrem. Commissioner.

Hom. W. A. Peffer,
   United States Senate. 

[Hand written] John Huling referred to above, resided before service in Dutchess Ga New York; he survived his wife, and died in Saratoga Springs, New York Jan 2 1837. 617 West 10th Ave. Topeka Kans