Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 9468, James Guthrie, Penn Va. & Indian Wars
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(3-1776) 
SERVICE NUMBER  
Penn
Va
& Indian Wars                                                                                            Guthrie, James  W 9468 
Eunice    

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CONTENTS 
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5785.
Kentucky.
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Eunice Guthrie, decd.
widow of James Guthrie
Penn & Va
who served in the Revolutionary war, as a Priv: and Lieut:
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Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 173 Dollars 33.
Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848. and End 23rd July 1850.
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Certificate of Pension issued the 13th day of October 1851 and sent to Abner F Vance, Louisville, KY.
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Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act February 2, 1848, Page 234 Vol. 3. 

Decision of Commr. of Pensions.  See Secretarys opinion within. Let. to A.F. Vance, June 11, 1853.
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31825
Kentucky
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James Guthrie of Jefferson Co. in the State of Kentucky who was a Lt and Private in the Company commanded by Captain Swedringin of the Regt. commanded by Colo ["Col" followed by a superscript "o"] Wilson in the Pennsylvania line for 12months Lieut and 4 month Private
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Increased from $160 pr. an
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Inscribed on the Roll of Kentucky at the rate of 173 Dollars 33 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831. 
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Certificate of Pension issued the 15th. day of March 1842 and sent to H R Northup [the word "and" was written in darker ink, in between the "H" and the "R" letters, but the "and" apparently meant to H R Northrup and the following apparent name] 
P [illegible]  (now begins a darker ink again]   (cert enclosed to G.W Chambers, Louisville, KY.)
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Arrears to the 4th of March 1842 $1.906.63
Semi-annual allowance ending Sept. [Here is a " mark which appears to refer to 1842]  86.66
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{Former paymants [or payments]  to be deducted}  
                                                                                                                                    $1.993.29
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         [In darker ink}  28
                                                           {Revolutionary Claim}
                                                           {Act June 7, 1832.}

Recorded by D.D.Addison  [or D.D.Addisin]   Clerk,
Book [hard to read scrawl, possibly 21 or E2 or C2 or E21 or C21]    Vol. 7  Page 21

{Now on the top of the right hand portion of the page]  Letter to Pension  Agent  March 15th [scrawled, but appears to read] /84
Let  Robt. Welsh  Angt [or Augt] 

["4/5" appears near the right top portion of this page, but it appears to possibly been from a partially obscured paper underneath.]
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[In ink] James Guthrie 
[A faint imprint of a round stamp from the other side of the page shows through the paper.]  

[In lighter ink] 24986] 
[About mid-way down the page, on the right side of the page, there is a 10.]

[Upside-down mathematical computation figures appear in the lower bottom left hand corner of the page. Those figures are as follows:]

   8  75
       25
       18 3/4
    1. 25
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$10.43 3/4


     8.75
   13.83
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    22.58
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State of Kentucky)
Jefferson County) SS
      
      On this twenty third day of April one thousand eight hundred and thirty three, personally appeared before the undersigned James Pomeroy a justice of the peace in and for the County of Jefferson and State of Kentucky and by virtue of his Commission one of the judges of the County Court of said County, James Guthrie (at his own house) a resident in said County and State aged eighty three Years on the 25th day of Freburary [or Frebuiary] last past; born in the Year 1749 and 50  O.S. (as it was then expressed) Who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following decleration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 towit, that he was born in the now state of Deleware. New Castle County and remained there until the year 1773 and then moved to Bedford County in the back part of Pennsylvania,

      [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

      that in 1776 the Court or Committe of Bedford County ordered three companies to be raised and some time in June of 1776 say the 15th this applicant entered the service of the United States  State of Pennsylvania as he then thought for three months; the Companies were commanded by Capts. Swearingin, Carson and Miller and the present applicant was Lieutenant under Capt. Miller, 

      that some time in July 1776 orders were given to raiis a Regiment in Bedford County of Pennsylvania to be Known by the name of the eighth Pennsylvania Regiment and the said: Regiment was raised and was commanded by Enos M.cCoy  Colonel, George Wilson  Lieutenant  Col. Richards [edge of record page; possibly an apersand mark for and] Butler Major (which last was Killed in St. Clears defeat by the indians)  and that Capt Miller Commanded the Company ["to"and "in" are both crossed out] which the present applicant belonged and in which he was Lieutenant

        That when the regiment was organized we were stationed on the Allegany River until Some time in December 1776   we then were ordered to march and passing though the towns of Leganair [or Leg, Bedford, shippensburgh, Carlisle, Lancaster, and Pilidelphia there Crossed the river and passed through Trenton, Prin [edge of paper, blotted ink]ton  in NewJersey and on the Baskin [or Baskin] ridge joined the army ["at" is crossed out] and at Quibbletown [or Quebbletown] we had Several little skirmishes and Boundbrook we were defeated and lost our artillery, we were then [or there] under the Command of Genereal Linicoln [or Lincoiln];  we then went to  Morris=
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town New Jersey then to Goshen on the highlands  York (now he believes the state of New York) then to German town Pennsylvania.  At Trenton Colonel McCoys [or McCoy] died and at Quibble town our Lieutenant Colonel  [or Colosiel] died and we were [here the word "then" is crossed out] afterwards commanded by Col. Daniel Broadhead.  At German Town (after having served fully fourteen months as Lieutenant) this applicant in August 1777 say after the 15th of same month he resigned his Commission to Col Broadhead.  

(Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     This applicant states that he had a Commission but does not now recollect by Whom it was signed, that he gave it to Col Broadhead, and that he received a discharge in writing from Major Bryant [or Byard] ] but does not now know what has become of it.  

     This applicant states that there are now no persons living by Whom he can prove the time he entered the Service and the time he left.  but that he can prove his service in part by James Welsh              and that he served as Lieutenant in the sd eight Pennsylvania Regiment.
    
      After this applicant left the Regular service  he went to.  Cumberland county Pennsylvania and was enrolled in the militia of sd County in [here possibly three hard-to-read letters have been crossed out, perhaps Ser or Jos] Col. Culbertson Rigiment and in the last of August 1778 he was called under the then laws of Pennsylvania to perform a tour of two months which services he rendered as a private Soldier under Capt. Jack and was stationed at the Juniatta river in Canoe valley as a gaurd to the fronteir Settlements [or Settlement] and that he left the Service in Octr. 1778 after his two months expired.   and this tour he can prove in part by the sd James Welsh but by no other person.

     This applicant states that in Year 1779 he moved to the now State of Kentucky and landed at the falls of Ohio (Louisville) on the 6th day of April said year, and on the 13th day of May 1779 this applicant Joined a volunteer Company under Capt WmHarrot [possibly Wm Harror or Harrod  or Hariod or Hariot]   the party was Commanded by Major Boman.  the object was to fight the indians who were distressing the frontier Settlement.  that they marched through the Indian Country to one of their towns on the head of the Little Miami River   the town was Called New Chilecoth [or Chilscoth] and had some fignting with the Indians and this applicant was wounded in his face and on his return to Kentucky he Continued
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in the service until some time in November (he thinks sometime about the middle) of the same Year, employed sometimes as a spy, a hunter, and in the fort at Lexington Ky.  This tour he cannot prove by any living Witness that he knows except in part by James Welsh [or Welch].  He served this tour six months 

     And in the Year 1780 on the 20th or 22d of July he volunteered to go a Campaign against the Indians and Joined a Company Commanded by Daniel [possibly David, but looks most like Daniel] Hall, this Campaign was Commanded by Genl. George R Clark  Col Wm Lynn  Lieutenant Col Harrod and Major Edward. Bulger   that they marched to the waters of little Miami

Called Mad River and there has some fighting with the indians and destroyed several of their towns and that the party returned home in the last of August of the same year that he served
at least thirty days at this time and can prove his service by James Welsh but by no other person that he now knows of a living.
That in the Year of 1781 this applicant was called upon to aid in building a fort at the falls of Ohio and in constructing a boat to [     ] between the falls and the mouth of Kentucky River in order to guard off the Indians against persons moving to Ky. and that he spent thirty days in this service but he knows of no person by who he can prove this service.
That in the Year 1782 this applicant volunteered again under General Clark to go against the Indians and belonged to a  company Company Commanded by Capt. Samuel Pottenger, that  he marched to the west bank of the Big Miami and destroyed several Indian towns and had an engagement with the Indians at a place called high Rock and that he was in the [     ] forty days in the months of __________  __________ cant recollect which tour he can prove by Wm. Tyler [name crossed out]
This applicant states further that from the time he moved to Kentucky in 1779 to the Year 1791 he was almost a soldier the whole time that he spent his time in the different [crossed out towns and] forts & garrisons in sd state and was almost continually
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employed as a soldier in defending the Country or spying the movements of the Indians &c [squiggle, possibly &c] which he can prove by Wm Tyler and James Welsh [or Welch] now living-

     He States that as a private Soldier he never received a discharge in writing and that he has now no documentary evidence by which he Can prove his service and can only prove his service in part by the persons before named.  He hereby relinguishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll or agency in any State
 
     Sworn to and subscribed the day and Year aforesaid 
                                     James (his mark) [here he made his mark, which is distinctive] Guthrie [or Guthree] (Seal) 

     I Michael Miller a clergyman residing in the County of Jefferson and State of Kentucky hereby Certify that I am well aquainted with James Guthrie who has Subscribed and Sworn to the above decteration that I believe him to be about eighty three Years of age;  that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that I Concur in that opinon and that I have never heard it doubted,  Sworn to and Subcribed the day and Year aforesaid   
                                       [signature]  M Miller 

     We  Wm Tyler and Hiram Malott residing in the County of Jefferson and State of Kentucky hereby Certify that we are well accquainted with James Guthrie who has Subscribed and Sworn ot the above decteration;  that we believe him to be about eighty three Years of age;  that he is reputed and believed in the neighbourhood to have been a soldier of the revolution and and that we Concur in that opinion

     Sworn and subscribed the day and Year aforesaid
                                        [signature]  William Tyler-
                                        [signature]  Hiram Malott
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Jefferson County)
            Kentucky) ss

     The deposition of James Welsh taken at the house of James Guthrie in sd County 7 state on the 23rd day of April 1833 who being of lawful age and first duly sworn deponeth [or deposeth] and saith that he the sd Welsh is now (since the 5th instant) in the seventy eighth Year of his age,  And that he has been acquainted with James Guthrie who is now an applicant fer a pension & who has subscribed the foregoing decleration for upwards of sixty Years,  that he was in the same Regiment (the 8th Pennsylvania Regiment) from April 1777 to the July following and that sd Guthrie was in the offices of Lieutenant under Capt. Miller and that he had heard of him the sd. Guthrie being in the army for some time before he the sd Welsh joined him, and has no doubt but he served as he States.

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     And afterwards he knew of sd Guthrie joining the army under Capt. Jack in 1778 and that a tour was for two months and that he believes sd Guthrie served his full tour.  And that he was with said Guthrie in 1779 in Kentucky on Col. Bomans Campaign and was standing near him when he was wounded in the face and that he Continued with him until the party returned to the Ohio River when we parted;  I to Pennsylvania and he to Kentucky

     And that he was with sd Guthrie under General Clark in 1780 & knows that he served as he has stated.  & that said Guthrie was an active soldier in the Settlement of Kentucky & was very useful as a guard and and as a Spy for the Settlement from from 1779 to the end of our troubles with the indians

     A further this deponant saith not.  Subscribed and sworn to the day above  
                                                                                [Signature]   James Welsh [or Welch]
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     Personally appeared before me James Pomeroy a justice of the peace in and for the County of Jefferson and State of Kentucky James Guthrie who being duly sworn, deposeth and saith that by reason of old age and Consequant loss of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his Service but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned [here there is a crossed out, possibly partial word, "an-  or "as"] below and in the following grades     for one Year and two months as Lieutenant and for two months as a private Soldier   For six months as a private Soldir.  For thirty days as a private soldier.  For forty days as a private Solder, and For thirty days as a privat [or private] Soldir.  and for such service I claim a pension      
                                     James Pomeroy  [here the letters  J P J C, or possibly I P J C, are encircled as if in a seal] 



     [Here handwriting in lighter ink begins.]  
      Jefferson County)
      Kentucky)  Ss [or sa] 

            This day Wm Tyler of sd County and State personally appeared before me James Pomeroy a justice of the peace for the County aforesaid  on oath says that he is now in the seventy seventh Year of his age  that he has been acquanted with James Guthrie since the Year 1781 or '82   that he Served with him in the Campaign of Genl. Clark in 1782.  and Knows that he Served as he States, and that he was an active frontier Soldir to the end of our troubles with the Indians.
      Subscribed and sworn to the day and year aforesaid 
                                                         [Signature]  William Tyler 

      Question  1st  Where and in what Year were You born?
      Ans   I was born in Newcastle County State of Deleware in the Year 1749 and 50 as it was then expressed.
      2d  Have You any record of Your age and if so where is it:
      Ans   I have no written record of my age, only a memorandum I made myself, now in my house
     3d  Where were You living when Called into the service   where have You lived since the revolutionary war and where do
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do Your now live?
     Ans.  When first Called into the service I lived in Bedford County Pennsylvania, afterwards in Jefferson County  Kentucky [here it looks like the word "what" has been crossed out] in which last place I have lived since the war and where I now live.

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]       
 
     4th  State the names of some of the regular officers who were with; the troops where you served: such Continental and militia regiments as You can recollect & the general Circumstances of Your service - 
     I served in the 8th Pennsylvania Regiment of regulars under Col McCoy.  Col Wilson   Major Butler Capt Miller & I was with General Lincoln,  Col Broad head [Broadhead]  Major Byard  Col Cutbertson,  Genl. George R Clark.  Col Wm Lyin [possibly Lyins]  Col.  Harrod  Major Edward Bulger & for now a full account seemy declaration:

     5  How were You Called into the Service, were You drafted   did You Volunteer  or were You a substitute?  
      Ans  I always entered the service voluntarily & was never a Substitute.

6. Did you receive a discharge from the service and if so [crossed out: what] by whom was it given & what has become of it?

Ans [answer] - As a private soldier I never received a discharge in writing.

6 Did you ever receive a [crossed out: discharge] commission & if so by whom was it signed & what has become of it?

Ans [answer}  I had a commission as Lieutenant but do not now recollect by whom it was signed. I gave it to Col Broadhead & received a discharge but do not recollect what has become of it.

7th State the names of the persons to whom you are known in your present neighbourhood and who can testify as to your character for veracity, & their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.

Ans [Answer] [Illegible] Michael Miller James Welsh Wm Tyler Edward Tyler Hiram Malott James Pomeroy Warden Pope George Feuley [Fersley?] General Robt Brackenridge [Breckinridge?] & if necessary one hundred others.
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Jefferson County)
Kentucky              ) ss

I James Pomeroy a justice of the peace in & for said County and by virtue of my Commission one of the judges of the County Court of sd county do hereby certify that I this day attended at the house of James Guthrie the present applicant for a pension, 
he being unable to attend court in consequence of his being for a long time afflicted with the palsey, and do declare my opinion after putting the interrogatories presented by the War Department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states 
that he appears to be of the age he states (namely 83 Years).
I further certify that James Welsh (who lately obtained a pension) and William Tyler resident of sd County who have proved sd Guthries service in part appear to be of the age they say (Welsh 78 Years & Tyler 77 Years) that they are both credible persons and their statements are entitled to credit. 
That Michael Miller is a Clergyman resident in the sd County of Jefferson Ky. and that Wm Tyler and Hiram Malott who have also signed
[crossed out the same] a certificate are residents of sd County and are credible persons and that their statements are entitled to credit.
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal this day & year above written.
[signature] James Pomeroy
[ to right of signature circled initials JPJP to represent seal]
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State of Kentucky
      
     I Worden Pope  Clerk of the County Court of Jefferson County in the state of Kentucky  do certify that the foregoing is the True signature of James Pomeroy esquire.  That said Pomeroy was at. the time of signing the Same and still is an acting Justice of the peace within and for said County and a Judge of the said Court.  duly Commissioned and Sworn.   and that to all his official acts as such full faith and credit are due and ought, to be given.  In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of the Said County. at the City of Louisville this [possibly 15 appearing as the date.  It could be 6 but that appears less likely] day of May 1833 and in the 41st Year of the Commonwealth
                                                                                               Worden Pope

     [To the left side of the page, midway, there is what appears to be a square of paper with a large circular ring imprint, perhaps covering the county seal mentioned in the text. There also appears to be a fabric strip in an roughly  oval shape, perhaps a ribbon, to the far side of the paper square.]
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State of Kentucky ) S.S.
Jefferson County  )

On this 7" day of april 1851, personally appeared before the County Court of the County and State aforesaid Robert Welsh,
administrator of Eunice Guthrie, a resident of said Jefferson County, who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration, 
in order to obtain for the only surving children of Eunice and James Guthrie the provisions made by the acts of Congress passed 3rd March 1843 and 17th June, 1844, 
Viz: that he is the administrator of the estate of Eunice Guthrie decd. who was the widow of James Guthrie a pensioner of the United States under the act of 7th June, 1832, and on the Roll of the Kentucky Agency at the rate of one hundred and sixty dollars per annum--
as to the rank and specific service of said James Guthrie reference is herewith made to the evidence on file in his case.
He further declares that the said Eunice Guthrie
died on the 23rd day of July, 1850, and that said Eunice, as he has been informed of and verily believes, was married to the said James Guthrie in the County of Jefferson and state of Kentucky on the 28th day of November 1786 --
That James Guthrie her husband died on the 24th day of March 1841. That she was not married to him prior to his leaving the service, but the marriage took place previous to the first day of January, 1794, Viz at the time above stated.
He further declares that the said Eunice Guthrie did not intermarry, but remained the widow of said James Guthrie till the day of her death.
That there are now seven children living, all of whom are the children of said Eunice and James Guthrie, being their only surviving children, Viz: Moses Guthrie, Elizabeth Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, Mary Welsh, Sarah Johnson, Eleanor
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Johnson and Eunice Woodrow.  Sworn and Subscribed in open Court on the day and year above written.  In testimony whereof I Curran Pope clerk of said Court have hereunto set my hand and the seal of said County.)
       
           [signature]   Curran Pope [Ppe]   Clerk                            {signature]  Robert Welsh  


State of Kentucky, Jefferson County, SS.

I Curran Pope Clerk of the County
and State aforesaid do hereby certify that on the 7th day of April, 1851, Robert Welsh was by order of said Court duly appointed administrator of Mrs Eunice Guthrie decd. and the said Welsh took the oath prescribed by law and entered into bond as required by
said Court.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto
set my hand and the seal of
said County this 7th day of
April 1851
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Curran Pope Clk
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No 1
Declaration of Eunice Guthreis [or Guthries] Admr

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No. 2
Certificate of Marriage of James & Eunice Guthrie
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"Marriage Register for Jefferson County in the year Seventeen hundred & eighty Six -
date of the license   November twenty third - 
parties names-   James Guthrie   -  Eunice Paul   widow - 
november twenty eight, Seventeen hundred and eighty Six, Married by me  Jno. Whitaker" -

I  Curran Pope clerk of the County Court of Jefferson County in the State of Kentucky, do Certify that the foregoing is a true extract from the records in my office, with the exception of the date, which is expressed on the record in fair legible figures 1786 - Nov. 23d -   November 28".  1786.  married by me Jno. Whitaker

                            I Curran Pope above named depose and say I hold the office of the Clerk of the Jefferson County Court, in the County and state aforesaid and in the City of Louisville and the above is a true extract from the records of said office with the exception above named, as stated by me. 

                                                                            Curran Pope  clerk of the Jefferson County Court - 
Sworn to before me the date above    
                            Wm R. Vance
                                  Pension Agent.
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No. 24.986
James Guthrie
Jefferson Co-
Kentucky

[Centered roughly midway on the page is "11" in lighter ink]

[At the bottom right side of the page is]
James Pomeroy
Jeffersontown
Jefferson Co-Kentucky
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                                                                              WAR DEPARTMENT, 
                                                                                        Pension Office,
                                                                                             June 6th, 1833

Sir:

        The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, adn the papers are herewith returned.  The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form.  On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed.  The note and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done.  These points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: }).  You will, when your return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.  
                                                                                                  Kentucky
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    A Statement, shewing the Service of James Guthrie  Jefferson Co-
      
     [The following categories appear in a printed horizontal chart above handwritten answers.]
Period when the service was rendered.  
Duration of the claimant's service.  Years. Months. Days.  
Rank of the claimant.
Names and rank of the Field officers under whom he served. 
Age at present, and place of abode when he entered the service.  
Proof by which the declaration is supported.
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     [Under the "Rank of the claimant." category]  Lieut

     [Under the "Period when the service was rendered." category]  June 1776.  [Under "Duration of the claimant's service." category, it appears that a "3" earlier had been written under the Months subcategory, but later erased.]  Under "Names and rank of the Field officers under whom he served," the name of "Capt Swearingin" appears.   Under the category, "Proof by which the declaration is supported." category, the answer is "Witnesses and traditional evidence certified by the Clerk-"

     [Under the category, "Age at present, and place of abode when he entered the service," category, the answers are "83 years" and "Bedford Co Pensylvania"

     [Under the category of "Period when the service was rendered," a handwritten bracket links the following dates:  June 1776.  July 76  Dcr 76. ]  For July 76 [1776] under the category of "Names and rank of the Field officers under whom he has served." appears the answer "Capt Miller "   For the Dcr 76 [1776] category, the handwritten responses show James Guthrie served under Col McCoy for 1 year and 2 months. 

      [The chart shows James Guthrie served in Augt 78 or 1778,  for  a combined 2 months as a private under Col Butler, Genrl Lincoln and Col Broadhead, until Oct 78 or 1778.]

      [The chart shows James Guthrie volunteered in May 79 (1779) and served 6 months until Nov 79 (or 1779) under Col Culbertson and Capt Jack.]
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REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line." "State troops," "militia," and 'volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
1. The Regular Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia and Volunteers.
3. Persons employed in the Naval service.
4. Indian Spies.
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons, claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832,
State, Territory, or District of
County of }ss.
On this _ day of _ personally appeared (a) before _ A. B. a resident (b) _ in the county of _ and State, Territory or District of _ aged (c) _ years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the Unted States in the year (d) _, with _ and served in the _ (e) regiment of the _ line, under the following named officers: _
(Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers, the time he left the service, (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers,) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service, the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.)
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of _
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid. _ A. B.
(And then will follow the certificate of the Court.)
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
_ of the Court of _ do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of _ for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this _ day of _ &c.
If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (J) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers, or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, vis:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the _ and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with _, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be _ years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid,
(and then will follow the certificate of the Court.)
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B. and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the _ and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, _ Clerk of the Court of _ do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of _ for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal _ of office, this _ day of _ &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and is the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
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alleged service, as they are known at the Department.  A very full account of the services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case.  The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be ex-expected (sic).  All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
1. Where and in what year were you born?
2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute?  And if a substitute, for whom?
5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
6. To a Soldier.  Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it?
To an Officer.  Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons - one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary solder, and that they concur in that opinion.  If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify to the character and standing of other persons giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party.  And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court, by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the Peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State of Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[underline]
[a} The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides.  If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had.  Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled.  In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades: - For __ year __ months, and __ days, I served as a __.  For __ months and __ days, I served as a __; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service.  The use of the phrase [italicized] about three or four months, [end italics] is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.  Some persons who apply for pensions [illegible] state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service.  This form of a declaration is highly objectionable.  It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape of narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.  [Handwritten squiggle to the right of entire section [j]]
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged.  The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
The notes from [a] to [j] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers, and State Troops.  The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[k] This traditionary evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[l] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
]m] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department with the declaration.
[handwritten signature] John N. Ashton
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[Typed letter]  Rev. & 1812 Wars Section
[In a lighter handwritten notation:] MHF (or MIHF) followed by illegible letters or word]
February 16, 1927
Margaret E. Thompson
730 South Jefferson Ave.,
Saginaw, Mich.

[Under the date appears a vertical handwritten inscription:] I used this ["only" is underlined] as per statement [possibly "born Feb. 25" is crossed out] was aged 83 yrs. on Feb. 25 (or Feb. 28) last"  [continuing] Miss Wilson  
[Then it appears in a different handwriting:] Not use 1749. just confusing.

[The typed letter resumes:] Madam:
I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim ["W.9468" is underlined by hand] it appears that ["James Guthrie" is underlined by hand] was born February 25, or March 6, 1750 in New Castle County, Delaware.

{A faint handwritten arrow line runs from the above-noted "I used this only as per statement..." notation, to the immediate right of the "1750" above.]

In 1773 he moved to Bedford County, Pennsylvania and while a resident of that county, or of Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania he was commissioned about June [typed number overwritten and smudged: final number appears as 15], 1776  Second Lieutenant of Captain {"Samuel" is underlined and a hand-drawn line leads to a notation "verified"] Miller's Company, ColonelsAenae Mackey's and Daniel Brodhead's Eight Pennsylvania Regiment, served fourteon [or fourteen] months and was in the battle of Bound Brook and [smudged word possibly "several"] Skirmishes.

He moved to Cumberland County, Pennsylvania on the Conecocheogue where he volunteered and served two months as a private or as Adjutant (he stated in both ways) in Capt Jack's Company, Colonel Culbertson's Pennsylvania Regiment.

In 1779 he moved to Kentucky on the Falls of the Ohio (which was [here possibly "latei" was changed to "later"] Louisville, Jefferson County) and there on
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May 13, 1779 he volunteered, served as a private and Indian Spy in Captain William Harrod's Company, Colonel John Bowman's Virginia Regiment, was in a battle at New Chillicothe on the Little Miami River, in which he received a severe wound on his face, and served until about November 15, 1779.

[After the words "Colonel John" in the above paragraph, a handwritten line leads to a handwritten notation:  "I think this may have been ("Joseph" is underlined) but could not be sure from reference."]

He volunteered July 20, or 22, 1780 and served one month in Captain Daniel Hall's Company, Colonel William Lynn's Virginia Regiment under General George Rogers Clarke and destroyed some of the Pickaway Towns on the Big Miami River.

In 1781 he was engaged for one month building [smudged and overtyped, possibly "a fort"] at the Falls of the Ohio and doing guard duty.

He volunteered in 1782 and served forty days in Captain Samuel Pottenger's Company under General George Rogers Clarke against the Indians on the Big Miami River, destroyed several of their towns and was in an engagement at High Rock.

Also, from that time until the close of the Revolution he was engaged at various times, and nearly the whole of the time in building forts, guarding the frontiers and as Indian Spy, which kind of service he continued to do after the Revolution until in 1791 in the Indian Wars.

He was allowed pension on his application executed April 23, 1833, while a resident of Jefferson County, Kentucky.  He
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died March 24, 1841.
 
    Soldier married November 28, 1786 in Jefferson County, Kentucky, Eunice Paul, a widow.  She died July 23, 1850.

     Their children living in 1851 were as follows:  Moses Guthrie, aged over sixty years, Elizabeth Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, Mary Welsh, Sarah Johnson, Eleanor Johnson (names also spelled Johnston) and Eunice Woodrow.  Respectfully, E. W; Morgan   Acting Commissioner.
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[Partial tear at top]

[Handwritten on left side of page, near bottom, is what appears to be] New [?]Em [or New Err]

[In different ink, at bottom of right hand corner, is]
Guthrie, James
Penn-Va
W9468
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[On the left side of the page]
Let to A F, Vanc [or Vancs] 18 Nov 51

[In a different handwriting] Guthrie, James
Penn.-Va
W9468

[In a darker ink] 40

{Now on the right side of the page] 5785
Kentucky
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Eunice Guthrie, decd
widow of James
who served in the Revolutionary
war, as a priv and Lieut
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 173 Dollars 33 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848.
Ending 23 July 1850
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
[Torn edge of left side of the page]ertificate of Pension issued
[Torn edge]e 15 day of Oct. 1851.
and sent to 
                                       Abner F. Vance
                                       Louisville KY
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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Guthrie, James
Penn-Va
W 9468
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[Record in two portions. Left part with torn edges says:]

5785
Eunice Guthrie de__
widow of James 
who served in the Revolution __
War, as a Priv. & Lt__
__________________________________________________
__scribed on the Roll at the __
___ 173 Dollars 33 __
Cents per annum, to comm__
on the 4th day of March, 1__
Ending 23rd July 1830
__________________________________________________
Certificate of Pension iss__
the 15__ day of Octob__
and sent to 
Abner F. Vance
Louisville K__

[A faint "37" appears at the slightly upper left portion, above a round imprinted stamped symbol which says "The [here the following  word is slightly blurred but appears to read] National Archives of [?] The United States"]

Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under ac__ __bruary {February] 2, 1818, Page 234 Vol. [here there is what appears to be] 3
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Rev. and 1812
Wars Section
EEL

February 27, 1929

Margaret E. Thompson
211 South Jefferson Avenue
Saginaw, Michigan

Madam:

I advise you that on February 16, 1927, you were furnished the history of James Guthrie, W.9468.

Due to the very large number of requests similar to yours and the lack of a clerical force available for the purpose, the history of a soldier of the Revolution is furnished only once to each person.

Respectfully,

WINFIELD SCOTT
Commissioner.
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Rev. + 1812 Wars

DEP'T OF THE INTERIOR RECEIVED JUN 23 1928 TO BUR PENSIONS SECY'S OFF. APPTS., MAILS & FILES [stamp]

OFFICE OF THE CHIEF CLERK JUN 25 1928 BUREAU OF PENSIONS [stamp]

W 9468
[illegible] Feb 16

211 SOUTH JEFFERSON AVENUE
SAGINAW, MICHIGAN

June 21, 1928

Department of Interior
Washington DC.

Gentlemen - 

My great great grandfather, James Guthrie, was granted some land in Kentucky for services during the Revolutionary War. He served in Eighth Pennsylvania Infantry - could I get a copy of this transaction?

Sincerely
Margaret E Thompson
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U. S. PENSION OFFICE F FEB 9 1927 [stamp]
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730 SOUTH JEFFERSON AVENUE
SAGINAW, MICHIGAN

February 6, 1927

Commissioner of Pennsions
Washington DC

Dear Sir - 

Sometime ago I wrote asking for Revolutionary War record on John Lawless. am wondering if I may hear from you soon.

I should also like a similar record on James Guthrie. He served as first Lieutenant, Eighth Pennsylvania Infantry. He was born in Delaware in 1750. His first wife was a Mrs
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Welsh, and he later married Eunice Cooper Paul.

Very truly yours
Margaret E Thompson
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[Handwritten notation at top left side of document] 1927-Feb-16-Hist, to Margaret E. Thompson [Here there are initials, either MHJ, MAS or MAJ]

[On right side of the document]
Revy WIDOW, &c.
File No. 9468 [Original ink number has been overwritten with what appears to have been a colored pencil, but the number remained the same.]

Eunice Guthrie
Wid. of James Guthrie
Lieut. Rev. War
Act: Feby, 2nd [or 27] 48
Index:- Vol. A, Page 297
{Arrangement of 1870.]
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James Guthrie
Dec28th 1840

Recd 7th Jany 1841

[The rest of this document's wording is upside down, but appears as transcribed and typed on Image 37.]
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[In this Image 37, here is a continuation of the upside-down portion of the preceding image.]

25

Jeffersontown KY
Dec 30 1840 [or ?1830]

Mr. Henry Northup
Washington City
Dist of Columbia
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Dear Sir  Jefferson County Kentucky Decr 28th 1840
I this day received yours of the 17th inst which informs me that the documents sent you were not sattisfactory, though you State at the same time that you had not seen them.  the printed sheet you mention in your letter incloses my declaration which contains a full and substantial account of what you require of me as I understand  it in your letters.  The letter of J.S. [or I.L.. or I.S. or J.L] Edward[torn] before mentioned had no further use or meaning in it but merely for a covering for my declaration as made in 1833 which had become some what worn by handleing and it being round it I sent it as it was  

[Occasional spacing included to make transcription easier to read.] 

I have nothing to do with Edwards as I [slightly smudged word, possibly "exceed"] to your propposition made in your [or yours] letters in [two scrawled words, possibly "so to"], and you [ink-smudged partial word, poss "wil"] will accordingly act for me in the aforesaid business understood.  My declaration as mentioned.  I think after you examine its contents perhaps contains all you want to inable [or enable] you to prepare the papers necessary.  but if not I will now state some of the Circumstances again as will as I can recollect.  In June 1776 I was apponted as 2nd Lieutennant in Capt Saml Millers company by order of the County Court of Wesmoreland, Pensyvania, in order to act against the Indians for three months but before the expiration of sd time independence was declared and orders came from Congress to raise what was then termed
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the 8th regiment of what was then [ink-smudged word, possibly "called"] the Pensylvania continental line and accordingly the Companies spoken of inlisted myself with the others still holding the same grade of office with this differance  my lost commission was from Congress in Millers [or Millins] company as aforesaid    after said regt was compleated we rendivoused at a place called the old Catanian town   mustered into service and was 
[?resd or ?recd] and reported about the 12th of Sept (1776) and marched from thence in november  The first town we passed through was Ligoneer at the foot of the Chesnut ridge through bedford [here partially blotted letters appear to read "Thepias" or" Shepeas"] town Carlisle landcaster Philadelphia Trentown Prince town and [?]quiggle town on the lines where we had some skirmishing with the Brittish  

[Occasional spacing added to make transcription easier to read.]

The first Severe brush we had was at Bone Brook took place on april the 13th 1777 [Possibly there's a period after 1777, but that's uncertain.]  in a short time after we marched to Morris town and then to Goshen on the highlands but on hereing that the Brittish was in the Chesapick we were ordered back to German town at which place I left the army and was discharged (the Copy of which I have long sence lost) and came home to Canagocheak and in 1778 volunteered for a 2 months tour under Colo Jack [or possily Tark or Taik] to act against the Indians which I performed in 1779

came down the ohio river to the falls  arrived there in april and the same year went on what was called Bowmans Campaign under Capt William Harrod on which I was sevearly wounded in 1780  I went a Campain under Genl Clark to the Picquatawn in 1782 I also wont an other Campn.. under 

[Note: there are some partial letters running vertically along the right side of this page, but it's difficult to read, perhaps meaning "these" and which appears to be text from another page underneath this record.]
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and Clark to a place called High rock.  The time Occupied in the Malitias [or Matitias] Service was altogether 11 months and ten days and in the Continental service 14 months.  This sir is as nearly as I can recollect in a short acct of the matters as they transpired.  You also wished me to inform you about attending the County Court  I will tell you sir I have not been able to g[torn page] to Louisville for the last 12 years so of course some person will have to come to my house to take my declaration when it is taken

[Occasional spacing has been added to make this transcription easier to read.]

You will on the resct [possibly meaning receipt] of this [here "you" and will" are both partially stricken through] be so good as to write me again and if any [a partial word"thin" is partially stricken through] thing is wanting that I can supply you with I will forthwith attend to it as I hope sir that we will git [or get] it all right after while   

your terms [here "I" is partially stricken through] as I have said are agreeded to (smudged ink] and you will now go to work

Your friend &c 
James Guthrie
P.S
Address all you letters to Newburgh Jefferson County KY
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[Partially torn left side of document] Kentucky 31,825
James Guthrie
Jefferson in the State of Kentucky
[Left edge of document is torn] _ho was a Lieutenant in the Companies, commanded _y Captain Swearingin, [illegible] of the Regts. [or Regte.] commanded _y Col: Wilson in the Pennsylvania line for 12 months. 

Inscribed on the Roll of [blank] at the rate of 160 Dollars __ Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831. [This date could be 1834 but looks most likely to be 1831.] 
Certificate of Pension issued the 16th day of Feby. 1841, and sent to [possibly] Mr. H. Northup, [on the line below initial letter difficult-to-read] Lresente.

Arrears to the 4th of Sept: 1840 $1520:00
Semi=anl. allowance ending 4 Mar'. 41   80.00 [with two lines under the 80.00] 
["-27" written to left in blank space] $1600.00 (underneath 80.00] 

{Revolutionary Claim}
{Act June 7, 1832.}
Recorded by Wm C Lantzinger, Clerk, Book [letter with flourishes, possibly E or A] Vol. 2 Page 20

[On the right side of document, at top, a partially torn portion says] _ P. Agt. Apl_
_[possibly J. or G.] Northup. do to. _
May 12. 1841 to ___
_Ler to same [?]Decr.
[Here are letters, possibly JE or TE or K] Heath [blotted] __ [Y or G] 
[Asterisk under Heath] 7 mar_
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Pension Office
November 18, 1851

Sir
In reply to your letter of the 29th ult. respecting the case of Eunice Guthrie, decd, widow of James Guthrie, I have to inform that as she was not a widow at the passage of the Act of 7 July 1838, and died prior to the Joint Resolution of 3d March 1851, she was not entitled to a pension under the Acts of 3d March 1843, or 17 June 1844. 

I am, very respectfully,
Your Obt Servt, 
[J. or I.] Wilson
for Commissoner of Pensions.

A.F. Vance, Esq
Louisville KY 

[A check mark appears near the bottom of the page, as well as "Rev"]
[A partially-faint squiggle at the far left bottom corner of the page appears to read either "late" or "Cole"]
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                                                       Washington  Feb. 23. '52 [1852]

My dear Sir.

      I enclose an application for an appeal to you from the decision of W.  [possibly Mr., but it appears most likely to be W.] Heath upon the claim of Welch {or Welsh], admr. of E. Guthrie decd.
     
      My constituent has left nothing for me to add.  If any doubt rests on yr mind as to the proper decision, I will render any assistance to the Claimant I can.

      When decided, please have me informed and let the decision be sent to me.  

      H [Here is an ink blot. Next letter is possibly A or F] H. H. [or H.A.] Stuart.              

                                                                                         Very Respectfully &c.
                                                                                          HMarshall  [or H Marshall]
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[This document is torn vertically, roughly across the middle of the page.  Hyphens are added to show letters of partial words before the torn edge.]

63. [underlined]
           Wash-
    Hon H. M-

Encl. letter f-
appealing fr-
of the Cmr [or Comr] of-
the case of th-
Guthrie decd:-

              [In different, larger handwriting in lighter ink] Trip-
              [Possibly a check mark, or a x mark changed to a check mark, appears near a torn edge]

[Resuming darker ink]  ackd and Refd to th-
Pensions for a -
Dept Into)
Feby 26/52 [Feby 26 1852])

                [In lighter ink]  Recd. Feb.-
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[Squiggle near top left corner of page seems to show 31 or 39.]

Eunice Guthrie,
widow of James
KY
Act 2 Feb 1848
Married 1786
Hus died 1841
Admd 1 yr Leiut $160
" 4 mos pri 13:33
___________________________
$173.33

Comg [Perhaps meaning, Commencing] 4 March 1848
& ending 23 July 1850.
Payable to Robert Welsh, Adr [probably meaning Administrator]
for the benefit of 
Moses, Elizabeth, Margaret Guthrie, Mary Welsh, Sarah Johnson
Eleanor Johnson [following Eleanor Johnson's name there is a small x in slightly lighter ink]
Eunice Woodrow, only surviving children
Abner F. Vance
Louisville KY
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[Handwritten letter]

Department of the Interior
Washington Feby 26. 1852

Sir
Your favor of the 23d inst enclosing a letter from A. F. Vance Esqr. in which he appeals from the decision of the Commissioner of Pensions in the Case of the heirs of Eunice Guthrie decd has been received and referred to the Commissioner for a Report upon the receipt of which the Case will receive due attention as Soon as the disposal of Similar cases which have the precedence will admit.

I am very respectfully 
Your obedient Servant
Alexr H. H. Stuart
Secretary

Hon H. Marshall
House of Representatives
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Louisville KY Sept 25/52 [Sept 25/1852]

Hon A. H. H Stuart
Dr. Sir
Some time since I asked an appeal from the decision of the Comr of Pensions in the case of Eunice Guthrie under the acts of 3rd March 1843 and 19th [or ?17th] June 1844.  The appeal was asked through our Representative Hon H Marshall.  He enclosed me a letter, from you to him, stating that the case would be decided in its proper order, and of the decision when made he would be duly advised - Mr. Marshall has left the Country, and I did not ascertain from him what had been done in the case.  I feel anxious to hear whether the case has been decided.

If it has not been I would respectfully refer you to An opinion given by the Hon William Wilkins Secretary of War page 503 Pension Laws compiled by Mayo & Moulton - also to the decision of the Comr. of Pensions same Volume 506 & 507.

Respectfully
Your obt Servt
A. F. Vance, Atty
per [?for] heirs of Eunice Guthrie
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66    No. 68-
Jas. E. Heath,
Comr. of Pensions
March 12/52 [March 12/1852]

Relative to the case of Eunice Guthrie deceased. Papers, numbering 40, transmitted.

[Here begins a section in a slightly darker ink, apparently in the same handwriting:]
Pension allowed for names stated in my letter to  Comr of Pensions
Alexr H. H. Stuart
Dec 23rd 52 [1852]

[Slightly lighter ink begins here, in what appears to be a continuation of the same handwriting:]
See letter to Comr Pensions Jany 10/53 [1853]
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Pension Office
March 12th, 1852

Sir:
I have the honor to transmit the papers numbering 40. relative to the Case of Eunice Guthrie deceased on which the Hon. H. Marshall appeals.

Her husband died in 1841 and as she was not a widow at the passage of the Act of 7th July, 1838, She was not entitled to its benefits or those of the auxilliary acts of 1843, 1844 and 1848.  The Joint Resolution of the 3d. March 1851 has always been held, like all other pension acts, to apply only those living at the date of its passage and She had died before that time.

Very Respectfully
Your Obt. Servt.
J E Heath]
Comr of Pensions

Honl. A. H. H. Stuart
Secy. of the Interior.
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Eunice Guthrie, dec'd.
Appln for Pension.
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Case of Eunice Gutherie [or Guthrie], dec'd - On appeal from the Pension Office.

This is a claim for pension as the widow of a Revolutionary Soldier from the 4th March 1843 to the 4th March, 1848.  It appears that a pension was granted to the widow under the act of 2nd February, 1848, commencing 4th March, 1848, and ending 23d July, 1850, the day on which she died, payable to her Administrator, for the benefit of her only surviving children.

The Commissioner makes the following decision in the case:
[Quotation marks are included as they appear in the handwritten text.]
"The husband died in 1841, and as she "was not a widow at the passage of the act of "7th July, 1838, she was not entitled to its be"nefits, [benefits] or those of the auxiliary acts of 1843, "1844, and 1848.  The joint resolution of the 3d "March, 1851, has always been held, like all "other pension acts, to apply to those living at "the date of its passage, and she had died be"fore [before] that time."
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This decision is clearly erroneous. The widow was entitled to pension, from the death of her husband, under the Joint Resolution of 7th July, 1832, although not a widow at the date of its passage.  The resolution is in these words:

[Quotation marks appear as they do in the handwritten text.]

"Resolved by the Senate and House of "Representatives of the United States of America "in Congress assembled, That the benefit of "the [here the words "third section" are both double underlined] of an act entitled "An "Act granting half pay to widows or orphans "where thear [or theer] husbands and fathers have died "of wounds received in the military service of "the United States in certain cases, and for "other purposes," approved the 4th of July, 1836, [here the following words are underlined:]  "shall not be withheld from any widow whose "husband has died since the passage of said "act, [here, double underlining begins] or shall hereafter die, [here the underlining stops] if said widow "shall otherwise be entitled to the same."

The [the next two words are double underlined] third section of the Act of July 4, 1836 [the following words are underlined] referred to in the Joint Resolution of July 7, 1832, [here the underlining ends] extended the benefit of pension to the widows of Soldiers other than those who died of wounds received in the service, and
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 is as follows:
"Sect. 3. And be it further enacted, That "if any person who served in the war of the "revolution, in the manner specified in the "act passed the seventh day of June eigh"teen [eighteen] hundred and thirty two, entitled "An "act supplementary to the act for the relief "of certain surviving Officers and Soldiers of "the revolution" have died, leaving a widow "whose marriage took place before the expi"ration [expiration] of the last period of his service, such "widow shall be entitled to receive, during "the time she may remain unmarried, the "annuity or pension which might have been "allowed to her husband by virtue of the "act aforesaid, if living at the time it was passed."

The error of the Commissioner seems to have been in overlooking the fact that the Joint Resolution of 7th July, 1838, makes provision for the widows of pensioners [?prospectivel]y, as well as those who had become such since the passage of the act of 4th July, 1836 - the {?necessity]. indeed, for the Joint Resolution of March
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1851, to which reference has been made, is not apparent, unless, we regard it as merely explanatory, in order to correct some [?irregularity] in practice.

I am of opinion, therefore, that the claim ought to be allowed. [Here there are initials in lighter ink, which appear to read:] K. H.
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Brief in the case of Eunice Guthrie, widow of Jas Guthrie
Jefferson County and State of Kentucky
act 2 February 1848
________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Claim, ("original," [here the following phrase is crossed out:] or "for increase.")

Proof exhibited, (if original.)

Is it documentary, traditionary, or supported by rolls?  If either, state the substance.

Husband was a Pensioner at $173;33
per annum, under Act of 7 June 1832,
Record proof of marriage

(If for increase.)
Has additional evidence been filed since the admission of the claim?  If so, what?

Name and residence of Agent.
A. F. Vance
Louisville, KY

S. Cole
Examining Clerk.
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Louisville, Ky, Aug 20th 1851
James E Heath, Esqr
Dr Sir

     Some time since I forwarded the application of the heirs of Eunice Guthrie, decd - (who was the widow of James Guthrie,) for a pension - I have not heard any thing from the case since and have felt uneasy, for fear I had omitted something important in the case -  If the testimony has been examined I would be pleased to hear the result, and, if it has not, I hope it may be attended to as speedily as the various duties of your office will permit - 

    [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     If the pension is Granted, it would be preferable to make it payable to Robt Welsh who is her Admr and a respectable farmer of this County.  The certificate can be directed to him or myself at this place

     Respectfully
        Your Obt Sevt
        Abner F Vance
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Louisville Ky  Oct 29th 1851
James E Heath, Esqr.
Dr Sir

     As atty for Mrs. Eunice Guthries, heirs, I
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and intent of the law.  The resolution says that the benifits of those acts shall not be ["withheld" is underlined] from widows whose husbands have died Since the passage of either of Said laws.

     There is no grant whatever in this resolution ["whatever" is crossed out], it being merely explanatory of the law, and it seems to me, was So worded expressly to Susain the Pension department in the interpretation they had given these laws, and their action under that interpretation. 
    
     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     If it is right and proper that the beneifts of those laws should not be withheld from widows  it is most certainly nothing but Justice that weha twa due the Widow had she applied should be paid to her heirs.  The resolution does not say that widows whose husbands have died since the passage of Said acts, ["shall receive" is underlined]  the benefits of he provisions of Said acts, but that the benefits Shall not be withheld from them - clearly implying that the benefits of Said acts had been, or were likely to be withheld, and that the witholding was wrong.

      Other cases could be cited where the decision was made before the passage of the resolution of March last in which the princciple was Settled that those laws gave pensions to widows whose husbands have died since the passage of the act of 7th July 1838.  But I have contented myself with referring to the case of Elizabeth Thompson and Anncy Pullin as they are cases precisely similar to the case of Mrs. Guthrie.

      If you have decided the case against the right of Eunice Guthrie's heirs to receive the pension from 4 Mar '43 to 4th March '48.  I would respectfully ask an appeal to the Secretary of the Interior and request you to hand  over the Communication with the other papers, for his inspection  whilst Considering the case

      Respectuflly Your obt. Sevt.
      A F Vance atty
      [per or for] Eunice Guthries heirs
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Louisville, Ky, May 13th 1851
James E Heath, Esqr
Comr. of Pinsions [Pensions]
Dr. Sir

     Enclosed I send you the application for a pension for Mrs. Eunice Guthriee  It is now due, and payable to her and James Guthries' children - The Amt of $160 - per annum is due from the 4th March 1843 to 23rd July 1850  
 the day on Which she died - 

      Upon an examination I think you will find the testimony amply sufficient to sustain the claim

      I hope it may receive your earliest attention   and if a certificate be granted make it payable to Robt Wilsh [or Welsh]  the admr - and enclose it to him at Louisville KY  or to me at Shelbyville, Ky  
                                                                           Your obt Servt
                                                                           Abner F Vance
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State of Kentucky Jefferson County, S.S.

     Be it known that on the 23rd day of April, 1851, Kennah Seaton, personally appeared before the undersigned, a justice of the peace for the County and state aforesaid and made oath in due form of law, that he is now fifty three years old, that he was born, and has lived since his birth, in the neighborhood of James Guthrie who was a Revolutionary Soldeir.  

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     That he has Known said Guthrie and Eunice his wife from his earliest recollection.  He does not Know When  [possibly Where] they were Marrid, but they lived together has husband and wife Since he first Knew them until they were separated by death -

       Eunice Guthrie did not intermarry but remained the Widow of Said James Guthrie until She died, which was some time in the month of July last, he cannot now state the precise day, but he has been told it Was the 23rd- day of said Month and he believes that is the correct time -

     James Guthrie died Some ten years since, he believes it was in the Spring of the Year, 1841,  He Knows all of James and Eunice Guthrie's children now living, the oldest is upwards of sixty years old -  the following is their names viz:  Moses Guthrie, Elizabeth Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, Mary Welsh, Sarah Johnson, Eleanor Johnson, and Eunice Woodrow.

     Sworn and subscribed the day and date above by Kennah Seaton who is Known by me to be a Man of good Character and Worthy of Credit -   [the following name is difficult to read for certain, but possibly may  say W (or M)  Garrett]       J.P. J {or J.P.Jsc]
                                                                                                       Kennah  (his t mark)  Seaton 

     Witness - Wm R. Vance
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State of Kentucky)
Jefferson County)S.S.

     I Curran Pope clerk of the County Court of the County aforesaid to hereby certify that I W [or J W] [Earick or Garick] is and was at the time of signing the foregoing affidavit an acting justice of the peace in and for Said County duly Commissioned and Sworn and the foregoing Sijnature [signature] purporting to be his   is genuine

     In testimoney whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of Said County this the 30th day of April 1851  
                 Curran. Pope  Clerk
                 By Chas. M. Thrustne [or Thrushie or Thrustner]  
                 [several letters, possibly] JS & C [or JrS & C]
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No 3 
Affidavit of Charles Fenley [or Finley] 

[Farther below, in lighter ink, there is the number 35.]
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State of Kentucky  Jefferson County, S.S.
     Be it Known that on the 12th day of April 1851, before the undersigned a Justice of the peace for said County personally appeared Charles Finley and Made oath in due form of law that he has resided in Jefferson County, Kentucky for the space of twenty eight years, and has Known James Guthrie and Eunice his wife will [or well] _  He does not Know When they were Married, but they lived together as Man and Wife, ever since he Knew them, and from the age of their children they Must have been married previous. to the year 1790. 

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     James Guthrie died about tin [or ten] years Since and his Widow departed this life on the 23rd. ["23rd" is in lighter ink] day of July 1850. 

     This affiant Knows all the Surviving children of James and Eunice Guthrie, their names are as follows:  Moses Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, Elizabithe [or Elizabitte] Guthrie   Mary Welsh   Sarah Johnson, Eleanor Johnson, and Eunice Woodrow.

     Sworn and Subscribed the day and date above written, before me.  
           Thomas P. Comp [or Camp]  J.P.  

      [On the right side of the page, in a lighter ink, there is a signature]  Charles Finley

     State of Kentucky  Jefferson County, SS.
            I Curran Pope clerk of the County Court of the County and State aforesaid to hereby Certify that Thomas P Camp is and was. at the time of signing the foregoing an acting justice of the peace in and for Said County duly commissioned and Sworn and the foregoing Signature purporting to be his is genuine.  "In and for said County interlined before signing-"    In testimoney where of I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of Said County this 21st day of April 1851.  
                                                                                                              Curran Pope [or Pipe or P_pe]  Clerk
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[In darker ink, "F"]

James E Heath, Esqr
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City

["34" is written perpendicularly, towards the bottom of the page] 

[On left side of the page, there is a hard-to-read notation, possibly MOC or Terplet.  Above the notation, a postmark shows "LOUISVILLE 3 OCT KY"]
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                                                               Louisville, KY Oct 2/51 [ Oct 2 1851]

James E Heath, Esqr
         Dr. Sir

          Some time last Spring the heirs of Mrs. Eunice Guthrie employed my son Abner F Vance to prepare the papers and attend to getting the proof in their application for pension due Mrs. Guthrie.  

          [Occasional spacing has been added to make the long text block easier to read.]

          It has now been between four and five months, and the heirs are getting restless about the matter, and are apprehensive that it has not been properly attended to,  and talk of employing Some one of the numerous agents who are traversing the Country.

          I have no idea that their employing any one of them would, in the least, hasten a decission of the case, but it would prevent them from making as liberal grant for his Services as they would were he to be the only one employed.

         My Son is a young man just Commenced the practice of the Law, and ad a matter of course, feels a good deal of interest about any business confided to his care, especially in one he expects a liberal fee-

        I would consider it a special favor to myself, if you could take the case up and decide it -   It is Summed up in a few words -  James Guthrie was a pensioner and died in, 1841,    Mrs. Guthrie was Married in, 1786, and died in 1850, remaining the Widow of the said James until her death -

        I hope in [here torn paper has deleted the first letters of the next word, but it appears to have been "making"] this request I am not asking too much -  Respectfully
                                                                                        Your obt Srvt
                                                                                              Wm R. Vance - Pen Agent
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No 6

Affidavits of Peter Funk
and George W Welsh {or Wilsh]

["31" or "39" appears in the lower right portion of this record.]
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State of Kentucky  Jefferson County, SS.

     Be it Known that before me a Justice of the peace for said county personally appeared Peter Funk, who is Known to me to be [here "as" was partially erased, to read "a"] man of respectability and worthy of credit) and made oath in due form of law that he is now 68 years old and has resided in Jefferson County, Ky, in the neighborhood of James Guthrie's residence for the last fifty years - 

     [Occasional spacing has been added to make the long text block easier to read.]

      He has Known said James Guthrie, who was a revolutionary so9ldier, and Eunice his wife ever since he resided in said County - James Guthrie died some ten years since - And Eunice Guthrie remaied a Widow until she died which was, as he has been informed, on the 23d day of July 1850 - and he believes the information is correct - 

     He does not Know when They were married, but they were living together as husband and wife in the year 1801, when he first Knew Them, and so lived until they were separated by death -  They have now living Seven children - unless they have died very recently, which he resumes is not the case or he would have heard it;  viz
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State of Kentucky)
Jefferson County)  S.S.

      Be it Known that on this day George W Welsh, who is Known to me to be a man of good character and worthy of credit, personally appeared before the undersigned a Justice of the peace for said County, and made oath in due form of law that he was born in Jefferson County Kentucky, and has lived since his birth in the immediate neighborhood of James Guthrie who was a revolutionary [here there is a partial erasure of an illegible word, replaced with "pensioner"]  That Said Guthrie died he thinks in the year 1840 or 1841, he cannot now state positively, but he knows that he died before the 1st January 1843.

      [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

      His widow Eunice Guthrie died not intermarry but remained the widow of said James Guthrie until She died.  He says he was at her burial and she died on the 23rd day of July 1850 - 

       He knows all the children of James and Eunice Guthrie aforesaid    their names are as follows, viz Moses Guthrie, Elizabeth Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, Mary Welsh, Eleanor Johnston, Eunice Woodrow, and Sarah Johnston.

      Sworn and Subscribed this 9th day of May 1851 before me}   J W  [or I W]  [difficult to read surname, possibly Eanch or Eanck or Eauch or Eauck]  J.P  

                                                                                     [signature]  George W. Welsh
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State of Kentucky  Jefferson County, S.S.

      I Curran Pop- [the last letter of preceding surname is blotted, but may be "e" as in "Pope"]  clerk of the Jefferson County Court do certify that J. W. [possibly Garick or Earick] is and was at the time of signing the foregoing affidavits an acting justice of the peace in and for Said County, and that the foregoing signatures purporting to be his are genuine - 
                 
       Given under my hand and the Seal of Said County this 9th day of May 1851. 
                  Curran Pope  Clk
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Aud's Office, Richmond
15. March 1842 

Sir, 

      Yours of the 11. inst. I have duly recd.  In ansr. thereto I have to repeat the information given in ansr. to yours of the 7 [7th] inst  that Our office affords no evidence of the services of 'Lieut James Guthrie of the Western Militia"  ~

      In a list in this office of State soldiers and Seamen who recd. Certificates for the balance of their full pay, I find the name of "James Guthrie, Sergt. of Infantry".  I send you the usual Certificate in that name to avail what it may.

     I return Mr. Northup's letter. - 
              Very respy-.  I am &c
                      A.W. Morton


J.L. Edwards esq
    Confr. / c
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James T [or L] Edwards Esqr
Commissioner of Pensions
[next word is partially blotted, but appears to read Present] 

[To the left side, written perpendicularly]  Dec 27 1841
                                                                  ["comr" is underlined]
                                                                  James Guthrie [or Guthri]
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     Washington City 25th December 1841

      Sir

      I Returned from Richmond last night and found on my Arrival Your letters of 7th 10th and 13th   yours of 13th my son sending me a Copy of it    i forthwith made the application as suggested by You to the Secretary of War retative to the half pay in William Roberts case - and flatter myself That the case of Roberts is now disposed of --

      [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

       In your letter of 24th [next word unclear, perhaps "allto" or meaning altho] you stated that the services of Lt Guthrie under Capt Jack as Militia for two months    under Capt Hall for one month   and under Capt Patterson for one month and ten days   would be allowed  but that for Building a fort and for services in Capt Harrods Company Could not be allowed ["Could not be allowed" is underlined ] -  

        I answered this letter and referead to the affidavit of James Wilsh and also remarcked that Welsh [or Wilsh or Welch] was placed on the Pension [here the word "Act" has been crossed out, with "list" added above] under the Act of 7th June 1832   in the Spring of 1833   and in his affidavit was a part of the Evidence in [here the words "Guthreiss Case" are underlined]  I refered to his application for his own pension Increasing that on examination it would tend to Strengthen Guthreis Claim -

     I find in your letter of the 10th that the facts divulged in Welshes [or Welches or Wilshes] affidavit has added nothing to Guthreis [or Guthries] case - but has [here a letter, possibly "b'" has been crossed out] distreoyed [here the words "his own" are underlined].  whatever it may have done to his own, is wholly immaterial to me - although I got [here the words "his Pension." are underlined]. and ["I expect" is underlined] the papers are in my hand yet am not Certain)   I have no knowledge of ever seeing the man.  

     If I am not in error An [next word is unclear, possibly "Esqr"] Galbreeath [or Galbeeath or Galbreath] before whom I bilieve the papers were executed) called on me   Stated the man to be a [here the word "Cripple" is underlined] unable to attend Court - and either then or a Subsequent interview gave me a Statement of his services &c. and the papers were prepared. in conformity to [here the words "his statement of Services-" is underlined]  and executed as I at present believe before this Esqr Galbreath -

      In your letter you state that his Claim was admitted,, without any proof whativer of the Services or the [this next word is possibly either "Rank" or "Branch"] ,,  This sir I know nothing about  having as before said no recollection other than that I had
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the agency of the Claim and further I know that the [illegible word] was represinted as a Cripple and unable to attend Court   the description of Service &c that he performed I have no recollection of.  but recollicting the Case [or "Care"] when I saw the affidavit of Wilsch [or Wilch] attached to Guthries papers -  I supposed that it would throw light and not darkness on Guthries case [or care] hence refired to it -     

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

    Wilshs [or Wilchs] papers were doubtless before you when passed on in 1833 [here the words "and admitted" are underlined] and surely the Conclusion now received at that [possibly "thime"] was no evidince whatever of the ["service" is underlined] or ["rank" is underlined] was then as obnoxious to view as [a blotted out word] now - but as before said this is nothing to me - as it is Guthreiss and not Wilshes [or Welshes or Welches] that I am now advocating..  and cannot for one minute dout the whole truth of Guthreiss statement although contradicted in one important [next word is unclear but could be "service"] by the [here "record" is underlined.] 

     (.thus) While at Richmond - I have [possibly "seen"] in a [here "large Book" is underlined] the Rolls of all ["Western troops"  is underlined]  whither of Illinois Crockitts   Slaughterss Corps of [next two words are hard to read, but could possibly say Brackitts list] also a map of ["Militia rolls" is underlined]   probably 150 or 200 such Mititia [or Militia] rolls from Companies of five and six to ["six" is crossed out] seventy or eighty ["from" is crossed out]  and from a period of five or six days to 196  (that of Capt Harrods Company) and not for Six months as stated by Guthriee [or Guthre]  but for 13- days longer.

     and I have state that Guthrie [or Guthree] is [one or more letters is crossed out] there to be found on each of the  ["other rolls" is underlined] by him refered to and for the time by ["him stated" is underlined] -  But that of this [here "important roll" is underlined] of Capt Harrod of 196 days (which you think the service not recognized by [next word possibly Virginia)]  neither the name of Wilsh [or Wilch] or Guthree ["is to be found" is underlined] - yet I have no manner of Doubt is ["Strictly True" is underlined] so far as theier Statements go [crossed out letter or letters] to wit to the time they reached the Ohio river [next word is possibly "on"] return of ["Bowmans Campain" is underlined] to Chilicothe probably not to [next word possibly "extend"] a month or six weeks - 

     When Guthrie Wounded in that Campaign  was left there  and Welch [or Wilsh] went ["up the river" is underlined] and neither of them were ever again in actual Service with the Company - [next words are hard to read, but possibly say "those rolls Muster"] or pay (for I did not look which [crossed out illegible word] are all made out at the expiration of the term and there are no others ["monthly or otherwise" is underlined]  [possibly "hence"] Capt Harrods rolls when made out at the end of their service 196 days [next words are hard to read, but possibly say "incluedees them" or "embraces those"] only them in the Company and
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present: thus Guthrie and [Walch or Walsh] are not to be found on this [illegible crossed out letter or letters] Roll of 196 days, - but no man can for one [minite or minute] doubt After seeings this [possibly mans] name in the other Companies in precisely the manner by ["him stated" is underlined] - that he could have manufactured a Statement of his Service in Harrods Company for Six months of his being wounded &c.  and further Wilchs [or Wilshs] affidavit sustains it and was his own truth  so far as their return to the Ohio river where he left Guthrie and went up the river, - 

      [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     I cannot for one minite of time viewing the enumeration of his ["other Sirvices" is underlined] doubt this although the rolls does ["not Sustain us" is underlined] and as a matter of Course we must submit - this loss of 196 days because he was wounded and [here it appears the word "it" was crossed out] as a mattin [matter] of Course left and not along with the Company afterwards - 

     We must therefore submit and accept of the four months and ten days Services you Stated in Your letter of 24 [or possibly 26] ulto that you wire willing to allow -  I have no manner of doubt if the records of Westmoreland County Pa are preserved for that piriod.  That the appointment of Guthrie as Lt in the ["first Service" is underlined] enumerated by [possibly "him"] is to there be found.  appointed by the [next words appear to be underlined "County Trustee and"] an officer of ["that day" is underlined] -

      Those [or these] [next word is possibly "evidences"] in Capts Hall and Pottingers company -  On application from the Pension department upon the [next words are possibly "claim to a a" or "claim of Va a"] Caretificate would for thwith be given - 

       Will you Sir do me the kindness and issue this Ceretificate for this additional Serviice of four months and ten days - and oblige sir    yours Respectfully
                                           Henry Northup  [or Northrip]
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Washington City 24th [or 26th] of Nove 1841

Sir
      Yours of this day is received advising me that upon a "Liberal Construction" of Guthrie3s case you are willing to allow two months in [here it looks like "1782" was crossed out"]. 1778 under Capt. Jack. one month in 1780 under Capt Hall and in 1782 under Capt Jack. one month in 1780 under Capt Hall and in 1782 under Capt Pottinger for one month and ten days  equal in all four months and ten days

     I surely sir have no wish to be [next word is overwritten but appears to say "troublesome" but I cannot possibly view it as you [here the words "have done" are underlined] with reference to the Six ["months Service" is underlined] under {Capt William Harrod." is underlined.  I have no means by the next two words are hard to read, possibly "me hence"] am unable to understand the remarkes in your letter relitive to Majr Bowman   He surely ["does not" is underlined] State that he was six months under Major Bowman but under ["Capt Wm" is underlined] Harrod.  and that he marched in Maj Bowmans expidition or ["under him" is underlined] to the indian Towns   was in the ingagement with the Indians there  was wounded &c,.  I cannot see by possibility any diffreince beteen survice under Maj Bowman.  ["Col Clark or any one else" is underlined] in the Service as Militia or ["Volunteers" is underlined.].  It was [Mititia (or Militia) service, which is underliend],   [Here an illegible word is crossed out.]

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     In 1833 a Pinsion was obtained for James Wilch [or Wilsh] of Jefferson County Kentucky.  I was the agent in ["this case" is underlined] and If I am [one or two illegible letters are crossed out at the end of the word "am"] not greatly in errort six months of the Services set ["forth byhim" ;is underlined] in his declaration was in the Militia [or Militia] company Commanded by Capt Wm Harrod I feel almost possitive of "this fact" is underlined.  and this man received [crossed out illegible letter or two] a credit for this time in estimating his amount of pension then Surely the Same rule should apply to ["Guthrie" is underlined] - further If I am not in error this same James Wilsh
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Harrods Company and is a part of the time for which his amount of pension is ["estimated" is underlined.] - I surely cannot do otherwise than expect the same [possible word "rule"] applied to James Guthrie - If the Service in building a frontier fort is such as is not embraced by the law   I surely cannot ["expect it" is underlined] .   but [illegible word possibly "be" or "he" is crossed out]  must expect the six ["months under" is underlined    Capt Harrod if Wilsh [or Wilch] in his declaration(which I believe to be the case)  was in this same Company and had a [Credit or Cridit] for the time set forth to have been Served by him in {"that Company" is underlined] -  Will you sir cause the examination to be made, and issue the Certificate for such portion of time as "shall be Shown satisfactorily" is underlined] and oblige

                                                      Sir   yours respectfully
                                                      Henry Northup
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James ["L" or "T"] Edwards  Esqr.
Commissioner of Pensions 
[next word appears to be Presint or Present]

["34" 

[To the left side, written perpendicularly, the record says:]  17th Nov 1841  
Dr Crump
James Guthree 
Pa
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Washington City  17th of Novr 1841
Sir
     On the 7th of June 1832 Congress passed an act Giving Pension to the officers and Souldiers of the Army of the Revolution and on the 15th of the same month the Secretary of War ["(Lewis Cap)" is underlined] gave an opinion relative to the rules to be adopted ["and" is crossed out] as to furnishing evidence and also as to who were embraced in Said act - and on the 27th of the same Month.

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     This opinion of the Secretary of War - and a [illegible word possibly federal] Set of rules, Regulations, forms.. instructions &C &C tagether with the Act was published for the ["g" is crossed out] information and observance of "all intristed" is underlined] -  

     Under the Act, and the rules thus [or then] promulgated to the ["world" is underlined] James Guthree a Revotutionary. Souldier and officer made the necessary application for pension in Which he recitus [recites] his ["Several Sirvices" is underlined] as [next word is hard to read, possibly "officer"] of State. and ["Continental" is underlined]  [illegible word possibly Rul] in Pa and subsequant [or subsequent]  Service in the Mititia in Kentucky.  

     The Statements, evidinces. and [here "all the requisites and formali-" (meaning all the requisites and formalities] are underlined] as required to establish his claim to pension in his [Mll or Mill is crossed out] Miletia [or Militia] service was most clearly and fully ["made out" is underlined] and in ["strict Conformity" is underlined] with the ["published regutations" is underlined] and the papers were sent on. to the Pension office at "this place" is underlined]  when [or where] an endorcement [or endorsement] was made on the back of the papers ["proof of Service as an Officer is required" is underlined] and the Papers sent {"back to the party" is underlined].  

     no requisition made  [next word looks like "we" or "are" but may have meant re] objiction to the papers so far as respected [or reputed] his Services in the mititia - in fact none could be made    the papers were most full perfect and Complite [Complete] as to his Mititia Services - so far as a ["Strict compliance" is underlined] with the published regulations will make a set of papers perfect ______   The papers thus sent back lay with this old [next word is unclear, possibly officer or official] some [here two words "eight or nine"  were crossed out]  six or eight years.  he not knowing how or Where to find
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the required evidence.  he wrote to me on the Subject requesting my services  whein i wrote him. requiring a history of his services and I would prepare and send him the necessary ["Forms" appears to be crossed out]  forms ande instructions - he gave me a history of his services whin the forms  and instructions were sent him and a new set of papers made out ["and sent on" is underlined] to me.  but previous to which his original papers had also been Sent in to me and both sets  the original and the second set  executed bet Jany are Feby are now in Your office.  

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     Under those two sets of papers.  upon showing from the Journals of Congress of the 14th Septre 1776 his appointment as a Leut of the 8th [next word appears to e Pa] Regt  and his resignation from his Commission on file with the Washington papers in the State department was shewn and a Pension was then granted for Pinsion for one Years service as a ["Lieutenant' is underline]' and a Certificate issued accordingly for the pension of a [Leuet or Liuit] for the service of one Year [her two letters are crossed out, possibly JM or IM]  

     I then wrote you on the subject setting for the facts of same eight to 12 months.  services as a Mititia officer and Private set foreth in his first and ["last declaration" is underlined] and in every respect in strict conoirmity to the rules promulgated far the prepaeing and presenting such Claims - and which bear internal evidence of being perfect and Satisfactory When the papers were ["first presented" is underlined] and when the endorsement was made requiring ["proof of service as an officer is underlined] was made on the bach [or back] of the papers and they sent back to him -

     If this evidence was good and satisfactorey then as to this Militia Service - it surely was the same [possibly "last Winers" is underlined] being the Same papers - and this man as I bileive I should   had a pension Certificate umbracing [embracing] the ["Militia Service as well as" is underlined]  his, service as a "Lieut is partially underlined]  for 1 Year    I thought so then and still [crossed out word, possibly "that"] think that the [possibly "division"] ["was erroneous" is underlined] and that this [possible word "man"] has not had the amount of pension per annum that he was intitled to - 

     I therefore Sir ask of you to do me the Kindness to reexaim. this [crossed out illegible word] case and increase his. pension to that amount which his [Metitia or Militia] Services shews him intitled and should it so -
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appear to you that he is not intitled to a greater [illegible word] of Pension than that awarded him last winter - I must ask An appeal to the Secretary of War . and have to request taht you will do me the kindness to lay the two Sits [or Sets] of Papers of James Guthree. togather with this letter bifore the Secretary of War] who I must believe will veiw our case in a more favorable light than you have done

                          I Remain Sir
                               Yours  Respectuflly
                                     Henry Northup
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Washington City 10th of May 1841
Sir

     In February last the Claim of James Guthrie was allowed for One years Pension of ["Lt." is underlined] .  When on the same sheet was his papers made out in due form to meet ["all the regutations" is underlined] prescribed in the rules published by you in 1832.    So far as the ruals prescebed for ["the substantiatieng" is underlined, and "a Claim for Mittitia Services" is underlined.]

    [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

    So [far or for] his [papers or paper] were eight or nine years ago made out full and Complete and was so recognized at the ["department at the time" is underlined] so [for or far] as [situated or rilated] to his ["Mititia Services" is underlined] and an endorsement  entered on the back of this application at the department in the hand of Someone of the Clerks of the department (thus) "Proof is required of his Services as an officer"   Thus Clearely admitting the other part of his ["declaration" is underlined] which in fact could not have been rejected so long as any regard was paid to the rules and [regutations or registrations] adopted [here it appears "for the" has been crossed out] and published for the information of those entitled.

    The old [hard to read word, possibly recent] Application was thus Sent back to him with The before refered to endorsement on the back of it  and thus it lay by him untill he wrote me last fall on the subject   When his ["original" is underlined] paper was again sent on and also a ["new declaration' is underlined] drawn and sent on   in sum and substance as [the or this] first when the Commission as Lieutenant is given in evidince of his Services as an Officer - And the pension Claim is [there or then or thus] allowed for A years Service.  As ["an officir" is underlined.]  When all the evidence that was before you in 1833 was again before you   The [Same or Said] ["original document" is underlined] on which was the endorsement from the office tantatmount to an admission of his Claim for his Mititia
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Sirvices but yet Sir that evidence which was Good in 1833 for his ["Mititia" is underlined] Sirvice [or Sirvise] has in February last been over looked as ["not Acted On" is underlined] but all this Service excluded and a Certificate issued for that portion of his Service as an Officer in the Continental ["Service only" is underlined).  

      [Occasional spacing has been included to make the text block easier to read.]

      On the Receipt of this Mans ["Pension Certificate" is underlined] I wrote you on the Subject Stating the same which I have now done and asked a reexamination of ["the Claim" is underlined] and the allowance of his Mititia service - On this Subject I never had an Answer.  I now renew the application of a reexamination of this mans paper and an increase of his pension for his Militia servises

       I Remain Sir yours  Respectuly 
       ["Henry Northup" is underlined]
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James Guthrie Kese:  [perhaps meaning case]  160 [possibly a $ sign] act 7. June.  last pd [possible ? mark]
   6 Jany 42                                  GWC [or GM] 

[In a lighter ink:]  p to 4th March 1841 -  4th qr not in 
[possible initials IH or JH]
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James Guthrie on Ky:  Roll . actof [act of] 1832.
__________________
       4

[at the bottom of the page] R. W. Young
                                              Agent
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                                      Snow Hill P. Office
                                      Jefferson County Ky
                                      Decr 6th 1850

Hon I. [or J.] L. Edwards
Com of Pensions

Sir
     You will be pleased to allow my agent R W Young, Washington D.C. to examine the papers on file in your office upon which a pension was originally granted to James Guthrie under the act 7th June 1832.
                                        Respectuy
                                        Robert Welsh [or Wilsh]
                                        Admr of James Guthrie Decd.
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Auditor's office,
Richmd, 7:  Mar. 1842

Sir,
Your's of the 7: inst. has been duly received.  In the absence of Mr. Heath from the office I have to inform you that there is no Muster Roll of the Militia in this office, or other evidence shewing service in the Militia or elsewhere, by Lieut. James Guthrie. 
I am  respectfully yrs &c
A W Morton, 1 Co [or Col] 

J. L. Edwards esq
Comsr. &c
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Washington City
[It appears that a 2 or F or J had been partially erased, before what appears to be 3 is partially blotted with ink] Feb 1841

Sir

Mr Northup will hand you the papers of James [Guthrie or Guthree] which present a peculiar hard Case, he having been kept out of his money up to this time for the want of proof of the exact date of his resignation as Leiutinat.  When the want of that proof grew out of the Omission of Genl Washington to date his acceptance of Leiutinat Guthrie's [or Guthree's] resignation.  I understand the Washington papers had not been Seen by you at the time When you decided that more proof was necessary

[Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

I trust the affidavit of Leiutinat [Guthrie or Guthree], seting fourth his Servises, and the Circumstances under which he was appointed to and resgned the office of Leiu. ["Corroborated" is underlined] by the Washnyton papers will be held as sufficiently proving his fourteen months servis as a Leiutinat.

May I ask the favour [here it appears two letters were overwritten, possibly meaning "of"] you to have a decision given on this Subject, and forwarded to Me, if possible this week, otherwise as Early next week as possible

J L [or I L] Edwards  [illegible scrawl, possibly Esqr.)]      With much respect [several illegible letters, possibly, your obt Srvnt]     W J [or possibly W I or N J or N I] Graves
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Memorandum in James Guthreis Case
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      Memorandam for Lt James Guthrie -

      [Partially blotted and erased word "Far"]   For Evidince of Service as ["an officer" is underlined] [illegible letters blotted with ink] of the 8th Pennsylvania Regiment.  see the Journals of Congress of the 15th of July 1776 Vol 1st Page 411.  

      [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

      for Raising a Regiment in Bedford and Westmoreland County ["Pa" is underlined] and that the Platoon officers be appointed by a Committee of the County in which they are Raised -   Again see Journal of 20th Page 419. in which the feild officers [possibly ". are appointed"]   The same as named by Guthrie who ["died" is underlined] while he was in [this or the] Regimint -

       And also see Journals of Congress of the 14th [Septr or Septre] same vol. page 475 [when or where] the Platoon Officers Recommended by the Committees of the County are Confirmed by Congress amongst which is the name of James [Guthree or Guthrie] as a [illegible words]  Lt - And [ink-blotted illegible word] lastly see his ["Commision" is underlined] on file with the Washington Papers in the ["State" is underlined]. department bearing date the 9th - of ["July" is crossed out] August 1776 with his application for a Resignation And an Acceptance of ["the same" is underlined] - all without date

      All the Other requisitions of the department appear to have been met ["eight years ago" is underlined] .  but this Old man Who happens to be ["yet living" is underlined] has as yet ["received" is underlined] neither "part or parcil" is underlined] of the Pension to which by law he became ["intitled" is underlined] 

      It is respectfully asked that the case be taken up and Acted on as early as ["Practicable" is underlined].  The Evidince admitted eight Years Ago Surely cannot be objected to at this day. and. the foregoing memorandam ["will surily" is underlined]
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Shew Conclusively his Services as an ["officer" is underlined] in the Eighth Pennsylvania ["Regiment" is underlined].  The Rule was adopted of Paying the ["next Semi Anual Payment" is underlined]  after the party is placed on the Pension list.  Will Surely.  suggest to the Commissioner the importance to an old man ninty one Years of age who had been applying for eight yeares, of having his Claim decided as early as Preacticable
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[In dark ink, in about the middle of the top part of the page] H. R. [or possibly H. K.]
[In dark ink, below but further to the right side, still near the top portion of the page] 10 Feb 1841.

Sir
Since writing you the note to which yours of yesterday was a reply, It has occurd to me that the requrement of proof that [?] Mr Guthrie is living is altogether unnecessary, as he could not draw his money on his pension Certeficate without proving his identity.  But aside from that, I saw the agent of Mr. Guthrie this morning (name not recollected) and who [?] handed you my note [here there is a dark ink superscript x and a mostly vertical line leaning toward the right] who I find has the [illegible] that Mr. G. is [?living] as late as last month. which when [?] produced I suppose will be sufficient.  

Please respond today or tomorrow, [?]whether competent testimony of Mr. G.s being alive as late as that, would not be sufficient. if so I will bring the papers [?up.]  However I suppose it [the next three words are underlined] cant be possible that you would require more, for if .So why not just as will [?except] to evidence, of his being alive [?two or ?ten] days since.  Respecfuly  Wm J [poss ?Gruin or ?Gravs or ?Greens.] 
Mr Edwards. Wm Pin}(xNorthup)
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PenSion Agency Lexington Ky 26 Mar '41 [1841]

Sir
Mr. James Guthrie of the County of Jefferson Kentucky On this day presented to me a Certificate dated 16 february 1841. at the War Office of the United States, by which there is granted to said Guthrie a Pension at the rate of $160. per annum Commencing On the 4 day of March 1831. 

The name of mr Guthrie does not [the next word is slightly smudged] appear upon my Books and the magnitude of the claim induces me to Write to You for information and instructions with regard to it.

Very respy
Your Obt st
James A. Grinstead [or Gunstead or Gimstead]
Pension Agent

To
J. L. Edwards Esq
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City
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[On the upper left side of this page, written perpendicularly in dark ink] feb15 1841]

[Also written perpendicularly there is what appears to be U22 followed by a superscript e or l, then pff all run together]

[A faint -52 or -57]

James L [or Z] Edwards Esqr
Commissioner of Pensions
[then what ?appears to be the word Present]

[Ink blots at the bottom of the page]
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Washington City 15th of February 1841

Sir
Wishing as far as possible to avoid difficulteis as a altercation with any man Mujch less a Publick official [here "I ha" is crossed out] and well knowing from long experience the disposition and rule of action in those offices. to wit if there is a possibility to [illegible word, possibly collet, meaning collect] or pick a flaw or defect in a Claim no matter how trivial [triveal] or insigneficchet it is that an objection is raised.  

[Occasional spacing has been included to make the text easier to read.]
{?Thence] on the reciept of James Guthreis first letters of 12th of Octr last and which accompanied the papers submitted by [?Mr] Graves - I answered him stating that he was intitled &c and that I could procure his name placed on the Pension Roll.  I then [or thus] required him to give me a full and minute detail of [the next two words are underlined] His services so as to enable me to prepare the necessary papers with the [the next three words are underlined] forms and instructions.  and send out to Louisville  -

In the month of December while in Norfolk Va I received advice from my son that Guthrie had sent on his [the next two words are underlined] Original papers executed in 1832 [or 1839] - I forethwith wrote Guthrie from Norfolk advising  him that I had not [?given] his Originial Papers then with my son at Washington. but that I feared they were [the next two words were underlined] wholly defective and that I prefered preparing the papers [?acquiring] a form with instryctions &c to enable me to prepare the papers.  

When his letter of 28th of Dec was received by me at Richmond VA when [or ?where] I prepared the forms and instructions and sent them Out, from which [the next two words are underlined] Gen Chambers of Louisville waited on the party and drew a Set of Papers and Sent on to me. 

Upon an examination of [the next two words are underlined] two Sets of papers having Seen both sets for the first time on the same day. I [the next word is underlined] discovered Some trivial [the next word is underlined] discrepancies but [?surety] of [here a few letters are crossed out, apparently starting with O or A and ending with l or h or k] character which Any man might make in giving a long detail of transactions which took place sixty years ago. and that by a man now [next word is unclear, but appears to say ninety] one years of Age --- [here there appears to be an I crossed out] and seeing the Original set of Papers much better in .every point of view than I had [the next word is underlined] anticipated I determined to [the next two words are underlined] present them. and having [the next word is underlined] [the next word is underlined, and appears to read experienced] Six months delay [here one or two letters were crossed out] by withholding a Claim for some [the next two words were underlined] days after its passage before the Certificate was issued thus [or then] to delay the payment. for six months and knowing that members of Congress com
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=manded a pro fferienc I submitted this Claim to the Honorable Mr graves for the express purpose of [?]previenting its getting the [here "go by" is underlined] untill after the for th of March [here "as was done in a former case" was underlined] which was passed as reported latter part of [Sept is crossed through] August. but no Certificate issued untill after [two illegible words, then "of Septr" with the "r" in Septr underlined] And [?]Sir regret to say that the usual course has been resorted to, to pick some flaw or defect - your objection the [here "honbl" is written with the last two letters underlined] Mr Graves informing me Are that you wish evidince that Guthrie is still living. 

[Occasional spacing has been included to make the text easier to read.]  Also he showed me your letter [or letters] which is now before me stating that this is one of the rules of the department. it is one that has never been submitted to the publick. All [here it appears that "knowledge to rules I have." is underlined.  But why this [here it appears "strange Inquisiteoin." is underlined.  James Guthrie was living when the papers before you [here what looks like "par Aetians" possibly meant  pertains] were [here appears to be possibly the word "created" or ? "executed"]  to wit in 1833 - the ["required evedince" is underlined] of Service as [here it appears the word "and" has been crossed out, with "an" placed above] officer and he was intitled to Pension of a Certain sum per annum commencing to the March 1831 - 

And a Certificate should have issued in Accordance therewith, whether Guthree be dead or not it matters not in shape or manner, he was living when the papers before you was [here two illegible words are crossed out, perhaps reading ? "sorted on" and "executed" is written above];  and may be dead when any papers is acted on if only one day old,  It is An [here what appears to read as "invariable" is underlined] rule in paying Pension that the party if living shall identify himself and also recite in his Authority the copy of his Pension Certificate, If he is dead the day of his death has clearly to be shown before  the Pension can be drawn by heirs or Admrs - hence there could be no possible necessity for making this requisition of the Honorable Mr Graves -

 But sir to Sitle this 
Point enclosed is the letter of Mr Guthrie of 28th [Decr is underlined] and his second application for Pension which was withheld from the sole Cause that there Some [here what appears to read as "trivial difiressances" is underlined ] between the ["two papers" is underlined]  one of which is that as to Age which without reftution [here what looks like the letter b or C is crossed out] would be considered Great yet if it is Considered that it is (if I mistake not) the Year the [here "new stile" is underlined] was introduced you will discover there is no differense or not more than one day - 

Another discrepancy is one of my ["Own manufacture" is underlined] which it seems has in this instance been copeid [or copied] to with the Service under Col Jack. - I [illegible word] [here either "Col Jack will" or "Col Jack well" is underlined] who i believe is yet living. and he gave me [here "the" is crossed out] some years ago the history of his wound and [?leaving]  the 8th Pa Regt an invalid And of his marching the next year with a command against [here it appears the word "the" is blotted]
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The Seneca Indians up the [here "Allegenhy Rivers" is underlined] hence when Seeing Guthries letter I have supposed it in this Campain as [alternatively, possibly the word "or"] scout whereas it has probably been ["another" is underlined] Jack as [here "th" appears to have been crossed out] there were two or three of the Jacks ["officers" is crossed out] either Miltitia [or Militia] or otherwise 

[Occasional spacing has been included to make the text easier to read.] 

this sir are the only discrepancies worth noting between the two papers to wit the one handed by Mr Graves to insure promptitude and the one presented by me now to meet your requisition (as I say) unauthorized and whole useless and unnecessary) to Shew that Guthrie is yet [""living" is underlined.  this cannot be shewn but will shew that he was living on the 22nd of January last

I pray sir that this may be adjusted and the Certificate issued for before god I declare that no man living hates difficulties or altercation  [here it appears the word "more" was written but the last two letters were blotted with ink] than I do - 

but sir if not [here "An officer" is underlined]  in any department yet sir I have been conversant with business in the department before many now in there [here the words "had an existance" are underlined] - and Sir I charge it to You that fore the last ["eight years" is underlined, then "years is repeated] I have had iether before the ["Treasury or Pension department" is underlined] but one Claim that has ["not been passed" is underlined] - to wit the Claim of Lt James Slaughter this being the only one -

I hope sir that this Claim will be passed and [here what appears to have been the word "the" is blotted out by an apparent embossed stamp imprint possibly from the other side of the document] Certificate issued as early as Practicable

I Remain sir
Yours Respectfully
[Here "Henry Northup" is distinctively underlined.]
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House of Rep. 
5th February 1841

Sir.
It seems to me that the conclusion to which you have come in the case of Mr. James Guthrie is reasonable, and that the {?]precution [possibly meaning precaution] which you suggest in view of being satisfied that Mr Guthrie is living is also altogether reasonable:-

[Occasional spacing added to make the text easier to read.] 

but as it is not probable that I could [?]write to Mr Guthrie &recive his reply before the 4th of March, in as much as he lives at a point in the country to which the mails go but once a week, and as Mr G is an old man, &would not probably [?]send to the P.O. in his neighbourhood very regularly, I would Suggest that his warrant should be made out payable at Louisville, or any
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Eastern City and I will not deliver the warrant to any other person than Mr G himself & in the event of his death, I will return [smudged letters, possiby "it"] to You.

But I have not a doubt that Mr. G is living, for whilst I do not Know him, personally, I know his 
family, & Know them to be men of [possibly "property" or "propiety"] & high character, &morover I think the old man owns a large and valuable farm, well improved some ten or twelve miles from Louisville & is most highly reputable.  If however you decline complying with this sujgeshon please inform me, & I will at once write for Such authority as You wish

With much [illegible word, possibly "respec"]
Yr ob [possibly meaning your obediant] Servt
[Flowing, difficult to read signature, possibly:] W J Graves.

J L [or I L] Edwards [squiggle possibly meaning Esqr, for Esquire]
[Two illegible words, possibly "Wm Pen" or "Wm Pin"]
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[A handwritten number "6" appear in upper left side of record.] 

[In a combination of printed text and handwritten entries, the following appears:] Payment to be made at Lexington by J. A. Grinstead, Esq., Agent for paying Pensioners, in the Agency of ~ Kentucky.

[In darker ink, on left side, mid-way down the page, appears:]  admd.- for increase [followed by a long wavy line]
        12 mo. Lt.
          4.        pri
__________________
  $173.33

Deduct what has been paid

[Immediately after this text there is a short squiggly line, with a longer vertical squiggly line to the right of the above calculation and explanatory text.] 

Recorded in the Pension Office, in Book E, Vol. 2, page 20, by [short squiggle] Wm. C. Lantzinger. Clerk.

[In much lighter ink, in the left bottom corner of the page, appears:] H. Northup
[then what appears to be the word:]  Present
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[Printed document with handwritten entries.]

[Note:  A handwritten note reading "Cancelled" with swirls underneath, appears perpendicularly to the rest of the document text, in about the middle of the page.]

WAR DEPARTMENT.
REVOLUTIONARY CLAIM.

I certify that in conformity with the law of the United States, of the 7th June, 1832, James Guthrie of Jefferson County, Kentucky, who was a Lieutenant in the Revolution, is entitled to receive one hundred and Sixty dollars and _ cents per annum, during his natural life, commencing on the 4th of March, 1831, and payable semi-annually, on the 4th of March and 4th of September, in every year.

[On the left side of the document there's what looks like the faint imprint of a round stamped impression, apparently showing through from the other side of the page.  To the right of the round stamped impression, appears the following:]
 
Given at the War Office of the United States, this Sixteenth day of February one thousand eight hundred and [here the word "thirty" was crossed out, with what appears to be an = mark added at the end] Forty-one.
[Partially faded signature appears to read:] J R [or I R or S R] Poinsett
Secretary of War.

Examined and Countersigned}  J [or I] L Edwards
Commissioner of Pensions.
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Washington [here ink blots partially obscure letters which appear to read CoKY, as in Co for County, and KY for Kentucky] 17th of February 1841

Sir
In presenting the Claim of James Guthrie [or Guthree] for Pension I handed with them two letters from Guthrie to me.  They were in no way necessary to the support or in Sustaining the Claim - 

[Occasional spacing has been included to make the text easier to read.]

The first was sent with the papers Simply to Shew that the Claim had not been Sought by me -  but [here words appear to read, either "was sent as" or possibly "was Just an"] application mad [here there is a frayed edge of the page cutting off the preceding word,  followed by the words, either "to me" or "to use"] by the party of his own [here the word "Accord" is underlined]-  

The second was sent [illegible crossed out word] Simply to explain any discrepancies that might appear between the two dectarations [declarations] - 

to wit that when the form and instruction was Sent by me to him I had not seen his Original papers - and also when he executed the Second papers he had not the [here the word "Original" is underlined] to to refer to it being here - and that such might account for every trivial discrepancy in the two Sets of Papers - Such sir was the object in Sending ["those letters" is underlined] 

And not viewing them as any part of the ["evidence" is underlined] in Said Case I have sir to ask of You to do me the kindness to enclose them to me - Or should you deem them ["essential" is underlined] as evidence in the Claim You will please mail me a Certified Copy of those letters and oblige Sir

yours Respectfully
[here the signature "Henry Northup" includes distinctive underlines beneath the name.]
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[Handwritten entries on a partial page with torn corners at the bottom.]

Augt 78 [1778] Capt Jack   Col Culbertson -  Juniata river  
[At the far right side of the page, on the same line as the above entry, there appears to be a number "2."]

May 79 [1779]- Harrod -party commanded by Major Bowman marched to head of little Miami river - & on his return to Kentucky continued in the service till Nov - 
[Farther to the right on this page, opposite the immediately preceding text, there appears a large X and 6mo."]

July 80 [1780]- Cap. Hale [or Hall] - Col. G. R. Clarke - Ohio & Picaway towns [On the right side of the page, opposite that line of text, there appears "1-"]

81. [July 1781]  engaged in building a fort [here there is an X mark] 30 days 

82. [July 1782].  Pottinger   Col Rogers Clark   Big Miami
[To the right side of the page, opposite this line, there is:] 1.10 [with a line underneath it.]

[There appears to be a notation of either "2?" or "23" written perpendicularly underneath the preceding line's text.]
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12

Honble:
J. L. Edwards
Commissioner of 
Pensions
Present,
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Washington City April 2nd 1841

Sir
On the first page of this sheet is a true copy of a letter recd by me this morning addressed to my father and in consequence of his being absent from the City and not expecting to be here for some eight or ten days yet I have taken the Liberty to call your attention to the foregoing copy for him.  Also I will add that your communication of the 27th returned to my father relative to the half pay claim of the Late Maj. A. Dick was recd by me after my father left the city and shall be laid before him immediately upon his return when it will be attended to
Yours Respectfully
Th. J. Northup

Honbl
J. L. Edwards
Commissioner 
of Pensions
Present
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Washington City 22nd of February 1841
Sir On the 21st of June 1852  a long and formal set of regulations were published by you as the pension department describing the rules to be a observed and made of preparing the papers and forsaking the evidence to authorise the applicant being placed on the pension list. More regulations were extensively promulgated [Nere...] the United States. And if there have were ben any others rules adopted for the obstaining of pensions under the list of 17th of June 1832 I have [recorded] them as hared of them. Now I've I would refere you specially to [the] pact of those regulations as apply to the mode of establishing a [bla...] to pension for militia services - And will state that there regulations were complicated wtih in the last minute nuances. So far as related to militia services in the application of James Guthrie made in the spring of the year 1833 and I venture to predict that upon examination James Guthrie's papers so far as relates to his militia services werew as full prefect and complete as [understands] of all the militia [bll] that were hoped at that day, further there were the demarcations of William Tyler and James Welsh two revoluationay soldiers [pracing] a part of the pensions of Guthrie and both of whom are to be found on the pension list with probably [help] positive evidence in either of their cases than in that of Guthries. Tyler I will not say positively that in his case the evidence was [less] possitive not having seen it but i've in the case of Welsh. I speack positively having  [pro...] his claim there i'm both of those names who have been palced on the pension list have testified to the [decries ] of Guthrie at the different [periods] & are there all the others requisities contained in the those regulations of 21st of June 1832 were feeling complicated with in his application in the spring of the year 1833 indepedent of the evidence of Tyler and Welsh.  And I've in those papers then  meet you. All the militia services appear [there] been satisfactory and admitted. I state this fact from the evidence on the face of a printed form that was mailed him along with his papers which were then returned. On that printed form in the hand of  those are employed in the pension office is is endorsed, "proof of services as an officer is required" . the hand I show well to be that of those are employed in the office having seen the same hand often in document coming from the office.   Thus in this [...] at that twice had compiled.
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with all the regulations as to militia services which another admit and satisfactory as would a paper from this numeration this printed form it could severely have no other constitution given it by requiring proof of service as an office. Than that the militia service was admitted if such ah d not been the fact would not [...] requirement have been made as this had as will as that of proof of service as an office. then i've [ap...] that this man as that day had fully established his right to pension of two to twenty months services in the militia. Surely has has not since that time have every thing to eliminate that right if then entitle to a militia pension of then to twelve months services (which as ... undully appears to have been then admitted) he is yet to and should have received the benefits of this amount of militia services when placing him another pension list as a lieutenant for 12 months services he severely should also had this 11 months and two days services completed and the pension certificate should unbraid his militia services as a private as well as that of an officer. ...in appears to be self evident upon the face of the paper. 
I there have to ask that a reexamination of James Guthrie paper be had and that he may renew the pension .. on chosen manner .. days services as a private of militia as well as the pension for 12 months services as an officer. 
I remain this your respectfully
Henry Northrup
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Department of the Interior, 
Washington June 9th 1853.

Sir,
In the case of the heirs of Eunice Guthrie ded widow of James Guthrie, claiming a pension under the acts of 3d March 1843 and 17th June 1844, your decision is approved the case coming within the opinion given by Mr Ewing, March 6. 1850, upon the claim of Sarah White, widow of Thomas White

I am Sir, very respectfully,
Your obedient Servant
R McClelland
Secretary

Hon. L. P. Waldo
Commissioner
of Pensions
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Department of the Interior
Washington January 10, 1853.

Sir,
I have examined the claim of Eunice Guthrie decd; an applicant for a Revolutionary pension under the act of July 7h 1837 and am of opinion that it should be allowed.
Your objection to the admission of the claim appears to have been based upon a misconception of the Joint Resolution of the 7th July 1838.  which makes provisions for the widows of pensioners prospectively as well as those who have been such since the passage of the act of July 4 1836, in the following language "That the benefit of the third section of an act entitled "An Act granting half pay to widows or orphans where their husbands & fathers have died of wounds received in the Military Service of the United States in certain cases, and for other purposes approved July 4, 1836.  Shall not be withheld from
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any widow whose husband has died since the passage of Said act, or shall hereafter die, if said widow shall otherwise be entitled to the same.  The third section of the act of July 4. 1836 clearly embraced the widows of Revolutionary Soldiers who did not die of "wounds received" &c. as well as of those who did.  I do not therefore consider the necessity for the Joint Resolution of March 3, 1837, to which you refer as apparent, unless it be regarded, as merely explanatory, in order to correct some irregularities in the administration of the laws in the subject.  The papers in the case are herewith returned.

I am Very Respectfully
Your Obedient Servant

Alex H.H. Stuart
Secretary

James E. Heath Esq,
Commissioner 
of Pensions
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Louisville Ky, May 30th 1853

L. P. Waldo, Esqr.
Comm. of Pensions

Dr. Sir
I wrote to you about one month since, in regard to the claim for Pension of the heirs of Mrs. Eunice Guthrie decd.; not having recd any answer to that communication I again address you upon the same business.  I forwarded the declaration and testimony in the case more than two years since, and the case was finally decided by the Sec. of the Interior on the 10th of last January in favor of the applicants, and the Comm of Pensions directed to make out the certificate in accordance with said decision.

It is now near five months since said decision was rendered, and I have heard nothing in regard to the claim.  I have understood that business is taken up in regular order.  If so, I know business has been attended to and grants made to Revolutionary widows whose declarations have been sent on since this case was decided.  I do trust this case may receive your early attention.

It would afford me great pleasure to hear from you on the receipt of this
Your Obt Servant
A F Vance
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Free
[postmark stamp]
Louisville, Ky
May 3/5

L. P. Waldo; Esqr
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City
D.C.
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Louisville, Ky
May 2nd 1853

L. P. Waldo, Esq
Comr of Pensions

Dr. Sir
Some two years since I forwarded the application of Eunice Guthrie, Adm for Pension.  The  Comr of Pensions allowed the claim under the act of 2nd Feby '48, but decided against the claim under the acts 3 Mar'43 and the 17th June '44.  From this decision I appealed to the Secretary of the Interior, and on the 109th Jany last the Secy Mr. Stuart reviewed and revised the decisions and directed the Comr Mr heath to make out a certificate in accordance with said decision.  Immediately informed the heirs of the result, and since that time I have not heard any thing in regard to the claim. 

Four months having elapsed and not hearing any thing has induced me to write this letter of inquiry.  I hope you will find it convenient to issue the certificate on the receipt of this.  By doing so you will greatly oblige the heirs of Mrs. Guthrie and Your 
Obt Servt
A. F. Vance
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Hon Alexr H. H. Stuart
Secretary of the Interior
Washington City
D. C.

Care of
Hon, H Marshall
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Washington City Feby 23d 1852

Hon A. H. H. Stuart

Dr Sir
Some time since I asked an appeal from the decision of the Comr of Pensions in the case of Eunice Guthrie's heirs.  Since that I have seen a notice in the Nat Intelligence that the appeal should be taken by addressing a communication directly to you stating whether the appeal is in regard to the construction of the law, or the testimony in the case.  Therefore I now proceed to state the grounds of the Appeal.

It is as to the construction of the acts of 3d March, 1843, and 17th June, 1844.  A pension was granted Eunice Guthrie under the act of 2nd Feby '48, commencing 4th March, 1848, and ending 23d July, 1850, the day on which she died, payable to his Admr for the benefit of his only surviving children.

James Guthrie was a Pensioner at the rate of $173.33 per annum, and died in the year 1841.  His widow Eunice Guthrie died on the 2 34d July 1850.  The commissioner of Pensions decides that, in as much as she was not a widow when the act of 7th July 1838 was passed, and died before the passage of the resolution of 3rd March 1859, she is not entitled to a pension from 4th Mar '43 to 4th March '48.  In the case of Elizabeth Thompson a certificate was granted by Mr
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Ewing then Secretary of the Interior going to Mrs. Thompson a pension from the 6th May 1846, (the day her husband died) to the 4th March, 1848, and from 4th March, 1848, to the 21st January, 1849, the day of her death payable to her admr for the benefit of her only surviving children.  Now her case is precisely a parallel case with the case of Eunice Guthrie.

Another case of a similar character  comes under my observation, and I would respectfully refer to the same.  It is that of Nancy Pullen her husband died since the passage of the act of 7th July 1838, and she drew from the death of her husband until the 4th March, 1848, under a certificate issued some time previous to the passage of the resolution of 3rd March 1851.  I am apprised of the fact that doubts arose as to the proper construction of the law in this and similar cases, and it seems to me that the resolution of the 3rd March last was intended to explain the meaning of the law.  The resolution, you will observe, says the benefits of those acts shall not be withheld from widows whose husbands have died since the passage of either of said acts.  Now there is no grant in this resolution whatever, it is merely explanatory of the law, and I presume was so worded expressly to sustain the Pension Department in the interpretation they had given those acts, and their action under that
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[written in pencil upper left corner of page]
5692
5664

interpretation.  The resolution does not say that widows whose husbands have died shall receive the benefits of said acts, but the benefits of said acts shall not be withheld from them clearly implying that the benefits of said acts had been or were likely to be, withheld, and that the withholding waws wrong.  If it is right and proper that the benefits of those laws should not be withheld from widows, it is certainly nothing but Justice that what was due the widow had she applied shall be paid to her children.  

Other case could be cited where the decision was made before the passage of the resolution of March last, in which the principle was settled that those laws gave pensions to widows whose husbands have died since 7th July, 1838, but I have contented myself with referring to the cases of Elizabeth Thompson and Nancy Pullin as they are cases precisely similar to the case of Mrs. Guthrie.  
Respectfully Your Obt Sevt.
Robert Welsh aduv
of Eunice Guthrie and
By A. F. Vance, his Atty 

[added to the bottom of page]
JOINT RESOLIUTION explaining the acts of July 7, 1838, March 3, 1848, and June 17, 1844.
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the benefits of the acts of July seventh, eighteen hundred and thirty-eight, granting pensions for five years; of the act of march third, eighteen hundred and forty-three, granting pensions for one year; and the act of June seventeenth, eighteen hundred forty-four, extending the act of March third, eighteen hundred and forty three, for the term of four years, to certain widows, shall not be withheld from any widow whose husband died since the passage of either of said acts, if said widow shall be otherwise entitled to the same:  Provided, That no pension shall be granted to said widow for the same time that her husband received one.
approved, March 3, 1851
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No. 4

Affidavits of
Wm R. Vance
and S N Kalfus
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State of Kentucky Jefferson County, S.S.

Be it known that before me a justice of the peace for said county personally appeared Simon N Kalfus and made oath in due form of law.   That he is now 57 years old and has lived in Jefferson County Ky forty years past and in the neighborhood of James Guthrie who was a revolutionary pensioner.  He has known James Guthrie aforesaid and Eunice his wife for the last thirty five years.  They lived together as husband and wife from the time he knew them first until their death, but he knows nothing about their marriage, some of their children he would suppose must be sixty years old.  James Guthrie died about ten years since and his widow who remained unmarried, died some time last year; he has been informed it was on the 23rd of July, 1850 and be believes that is the correct date of her death.  He has known their children also for many years, there are now seven children living (unless they have died very recently) Viz'; Moses Guthrie, Elizabeth Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, Mary Welsh, Eunice Woodrow, Sarah Johnson and Eleanor Johnson.
S N Kalfus

Sworn and subscribed before
me this 15th day of April 1851.
Thos J Johnson J. P.

State of Kentucky
Jefferson County Set
I Curran Pope Clerk of the County Court of the County aforesaid do hereby certify that Thomas J Johnson is and was at the time of signing the foregoing affidavit an acting justice of the peace in and for said county duly commissioned and sworn
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and the foregoing signatures purporting to be  his are genuine.  

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and afixed the seal of said County this 21 day of April 1851
Curran Pope.
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State of Kentucky Jefferson County, SS.

Be it known that on the 15th day of April, 1851, before the undersigned a justice of the peace for said county personally appeared William R Vance, who is pension Agent for the State of Kentucky, and made oath in due form of law that he is now forty five years old that he was born and raised on the farm adjoining the farm of James Guthrie in Jefferson County, Ky, that he has known James Guthrie and Eunice his wife from his earliest recollection.  James Guthrie was a revolutionary pensioner on the Roll of the Kentucky agency at the rate of $160 per annum.  Eunice Guthrie his widow remained unmarried until her death which was sometime during last summer.  James Guthrie died about ten years since.  He further states that he knows, and has known from his infancy, all the children of said James and Eunice Guthrie, the oldest must be over sixty years old; the ones now living are Mary Welsh, Sarah Johnson, Eleanor Johnson, Eunice Woodrow, Moses Guthrie, Margaret Guthrie, and Elizabeth Guthrie.

He states that he knows nothing about their marriage but they lived together as husband & wife until they were separated by death.  At the request of Robert Welsh, the administrator, this affiant examined the marriage records of the Clerks office of the Jefferson County Court and he finds (in a plain legible hand) it recorded that the marriage license issued on the 23rd November 1786, and that they James Guthrie & Eunice Paul, were married by John Whitaker, on the 28th day of November 1786.
Wm R. Vance

Sworn and subscribed the day and date above written before me.
Tho J Johnson J. P.
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James Guthree
12 of Ocyt 1840
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Newburg Ky         25
Oct 19

Mr Henry Northrop
Washington City
Distr
Columbia
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Mr.  Henry Northrop    Octr 12.th 1840.

     Sir  I have for several years passed made many inquiries to find out where you were for the perpose of writeing to you on matters (which are at least of importance to me.  The business here alluded too is a Just right to claim a pension from the United States for Services in the Revolutionary and afterward- [edge of page with last possible character mostly hidden; word could be "afterwards"] in the indian wars. 

     (Spacing added to make the long text easier to read.) 

      I entered the service as 2nd Lieut. in Capt James Millers company which formed a part of the 8th regt. of what was then called the Pensyvania line  raised by order of Congress and was (I think) reported and [possibly the word "resieved" ] about the middle of October 1776.  The 8th regt was composed when reported of 10 companies Commanded by Colo.  ["Col." with the next letter "o" elevated]  McCoy    Lieut Colo ["Col." with the next letter "o" elevated]   Wilson   Majr. Richd Butler  (he who was killed at the time St. Char [possibly Clear] was defd).  

      The Capains was Van Sweringaim [or Sweringain]   Carson   Miller   Myers   Orza   Kilgore   Mannn   Picot [or Pirot]   Wilson and Mongomery.  The ajadants name was Hoofnoggle.   our company as first Stated was commanded by Miller    Mathew  Jack  1st Lt    James Guthrie   2nd Lt.    and Jno Lyons Ensign.    I remained in  said regt untill about the middle of September 1777.  previous to which time Colo ["Col" with the next letter "o" elevated]  McCoy died and sd regt was plased under the command of Daniel [possibly David but it looks most likely to be Daniel] Broadhead with whom I had a personal differance
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which resulted in my resignation and discharge from said rigt at the time above stated (which discharge I have unfortunately lost)

     I then came home and remained there untill 1779.  when myself in company with others came down the Ohio River with Genl Clarke to the falls and assisted in makeing places of deffence (or diffence or diffince] there.  

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     I was in the battles of the Piqua  Chillicotha [or Chillecotha] &c  at one of whitch places I resieved a sevear [or seviar] wound) which I suppose the Rolls of those compaigns will shew from 1779 untill peace was made with the Indians   all those early adventuneors [or adventureors] might be colled in actual service as they always, [here there is what looks like a handwritten partial start or asteriswk mark]  had to keep themselves in constant readiness

     Now sir if you will undertake thes business for me and suceead [or succeed]  in getting my pension  I will pay you what your customary charges may be out of th- [here the edge of record document here is partially torn; the word could be "the"]  same,  I suppose all my chance will be in finding my name on [a second "on" is crossed out] the {here "of the" is crossed out] Roll of the Pensyvania line as above stated as I know not now a man who knew me in the service   the men by whom I could have established all by;  are now dead

     I took Jas Welshs deposition who states that he met with me when in the army in 1777 and that [here the letter "I" is written in lighter ink] came home with him.  This is all that [here is another lighter "I"] can prove about it,  you will be so good as to write to me as early as possible what you may think of my chance.  address your letter to Newburgh  Jefferson County KY

      Sir if you can help an old man now 91 years old   you will confer a lasting obligation upon himself and famely
       yours with respect                                                                          James Guthrie 

       [This document record and the page before it, both appear to be in the same handwriting style, and may possibly have been in James Guthrie's handwriting.]
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State of Kentucky  Jefferson County [illegible, possibly SS]

[Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

      On this 22d. day of January 1841. Personally appeared before me the Subscriber. One of the Justices of the Peace, in and for said County and one of the Justices of the County Court of said County.  James Guthrie a resident of said County and State aforesaid.  Aged Ninety one years, Who. being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make [or made] the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed June the 6th 1832.  Saieth that in June 1776 he wa appointed a second Lieutenant in Captain Samuel Millers Company by Order of the County Court. or such tribunals as had the Controul of such matters for the County of Westmoreland in the State of Pensisylvania, Ordered to act against the Indians.  for the period of three Months, in which Capacity he actually served -

      That before the expiration of said three months, but the precise day he does not know, and after the Decleration of Independance, on the 4th. of July 1776 Orders came from Congress to raise what was then termed the 8th Regiment of the Pennsylvania line when the said Captain Miller and deponant intered into the Continental line in the said 8th. Pennsylvania Regiment, holding the same rank as formerly, with this difference   that he then [partially faded word, possible "received"] a Commission from Congress. or its President

     After said regiment was completed they Rindezvoused at a placed called the old Kittanning [possibly Kettanning or Keltanning] town, were mustered into Service, and was [possibly "receved'] and reported about the 12th. of September 1776.  Said Regiment was Commanded by Colo ["Col" with the letter "o" immediately following and above]  Eneas {or Enias] McCoy and George Wilson Lieut Colo. {"Col" with the letter "o" immediately following and above]. and marched from thence in November of that year, passing through the following Towns and Villages viz  Ligonell [or Ligonall or Ligonam] at West of part of Laurel Hill. Bedford, Shippensburg, Carlile, Lancaster, Philadilphia, Trenton, Princeton and [possibly] Quibble town on the lines when  they had some skirmishing with the British.  The first seven ["seven" is underlined] Skirmish they had was at Band [or Bond] Brook on the 13th. of April 1777.  

     Shortly after which they were Marched to Morristown. and from thence to Goshin in the high lands of New York.  When Shortly afterwards, on hearing the British were in the Chesapeak. the Rigement was ordered back to Germantown in Pennsylvania.  That during the time said Regiment was in New Jersey, both Colo. McCay [possibly McCoy] & Leiut Colo George Wilson died and at, or about the time the Rigement [?] reached Germantown Colonel Broadhead took Command of the Rigement when he the deponant [the next word is underlined] resigned on or about the [blank space] day of September 1777. Surrendering up his Commission and returned to his Residence on the Connagig in the County of Cumberland and State aforesaid, having then [or there] performed as second Lieutenants under the State appointment and Continental Establishment fourteen months as second Lieutenant [or Lieutenants] aforesaid.  That in the year 1778 he Volenteered in the Capacity of a adjutent for the period of two months in a tour against the Indians under Colo Jack. and served that length of time faithfully  Said expedition being on the Allegany River. and its waters.  In the year 1779 he came down the Ohio river.  and arrived at the falls, now Louisville, in April of that year. That in the [here the next word is underlined] same year he marched [the following word was struck through, but may have been "against"]
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day of September 1779 [or 1777 - top edge of document is obscured. Rest of this top line of this image appears to read] Surrendering up his Commission and returned to his Residence on the Conn]agig in the County of Cumberland and State aforesaid, having there [or possibly "then"] performed as Second Lieutenants [or Lieutenante]  under the Stats appointment and Continental Establishment fourteen months as second Lieutenant aforesaid.  That in the year 1778 he Volenteered in the Capacity of a adjutant [or adjutent] for the period of two Months in a tour against the Indians under Colo ["Col" with a superscript "o" immediately following] Jack. and served that length of time faithfully   Said expidition being on the Allegany river. and its waters.

     [Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text block easier to read.]

     In the year 1779 he came down the Ohio river. and arrived at the falls, now Louisville, [or Leuisville,] in April of that year,   that in the same ["same" is underlined]  he marched [illegible, possibly as a] Volenteer in the Company Commanded by Captain. Wm. Harrod in the Campaign against the Indians on the Miama Waters, under the Command of Colo. ["Col" with a superscript "o" immediately following] John Bowman   Generally Known as Bowmans defeat, in which tour [or toure]  he was severely wounded.  And was engaged in this Service, or expidition 

     In the year 1780 he marched again as a Volenteer    under Colo. ["Col"with a superscirpt "o".] George Rogers Clark to the Pickaway Town of Indians. in which he was in Service one month,  and lastly, in 1782. he went an [or on] other Campegn, in the Capacity of Volenteer [or Volentier] under Colo {"Col" with a superscript "o" immediately following] against the Indians to a place called high Rock in which service he was forty days   That he now resides in the County of Jefferson and State of Kentucky, and has for the last 61 years.

     That he has at this time. no record, or documentary evidence, to Support his said claim, all such having been long since lost or distroyed.  That he at this day Knows not of any living person by whom he Could prove his services.  Or when [possibly where] any Rolls, or records of his Services are to be found,    That from age. and Bodily infirmity he is wholly unable to attend at the County Court [here is a number with the last figure blotted, possibly 12 or 14] Miles distant to make his declaration.  That he is not in the receipt of any pension from the United States or any State, ["any State," is underlined] nor never has been. 

     That same [or some] Seven. or eight years ago he made application for a pension under the act of Congress of 6th or 7th of June 1832 but without success - that the same total of his services are fourteen Months as Lieutenant in the Continental line.  And in the various tours; first as 2nd Lt. Captain Millers Company of State troops, Colo ["Col" with a superscript "o" immediately following] Jack.s Command in the Indian Country [or County] in Pennsylvania, Colo ["Col" with a superscript "o" immediately following]  Bowmans  Expedition, and two under Colo ["Col" with a superscript "o" immediately following] George Rogers Clark, was Eleven Months and ten days. and that he hereby relenquishes all claim to a pension except the present.  
     
      Sworn to and Subscribed the day and year above written        James  (his X mark) Guthrie

      State of Kentucky  Jefferson County [possibly Ss]
                  Personally appeared before me a Justice of the Peace, in and for said County and one of the Justices of the County Court in and for said County, Mihael [here there is a crease in the document.  Name  possibly Michael] Miller   Clergyman, residing in the same, and Jacob Smith.  residing also in the same County, persons with whom I am well acquainted. and hereby Certify to be Witnesses of Credibilily [Credibility] who being each duly Sworn, according to law, Saieth that they have long been well and intimately acquainted with  James Guthrie [or Guthree] who made the foregoing Declaration and Affidavit in their presence.  that he is probably one of the oldest and longest residents in the County, and a Man of the first Standing
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**NOT DONE - NEEDS FINISHING**


Jacob [strikethrough, Mark beneath] Smith

State of Kentucky Jefferson County 


and respectability of Character. and who they have at all times understood was a Revolutionary Character. eith as an Officer or Soldier. or both.  that we believe him to be of the age which he states himself to be.  And that so  far as Comes within their Knowledge. has at all times, throughout been Considered and Known as a Revolutionary Officer or Soldier.   Sworn to anm
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[A portion of the top line of handwritten text is partially visible on this image, but from the previous image, this line reads:] 1st.  When, or in what year were you Born
Answer  6th. March 1750
2d.  Have you any Record of your age, and if so, where is it?  
Answer.  I have none.
3rd.  Where were you living when Called into Service.  Where have you lived Since the Revolutionary War, and where do you now live?
Answer.  In the monongale [or monongala] Country  Westmoreland County Pennsylvania   - In Kentucky  -  In the [the next word is partially blotted, but appears to read "same" or "seat" or "station"] in Jefferson County within 12 miles of Louisville 
4th.  How were you called into Service, were you drafted or did you Volunteer, or were you a Substitute, and if a Substitute for whom?
Answer.  I volenteered in every instance

5th.  State the name of some of the Regular Officers who were in the troops when you served in [the next word appears to be "Such" and is underlined] Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general Circumstances of your Service?

[Occasional spacing has been included to make the long text blocks easier to read.  Also, in each upcoming  instance of the word "Colo"  the "Col" appeared with a superscript "o" immediately following.] 

Answer.  Colo Mc.Coy [McCoy]      Lit [or Let] Colo Wilson    Colo Broadhead     (Major Byers)   Adjt. Hoofman 
 [or Hoopnan.]  and Captains Kilgour, [or Kilgore or Kilgorer,] Van Boren, Vanswearingen, [or Vanswearengen,]    Carson, Miller, Myers and Mann -  

There are many circumstance of interest. which I could relate, but for the great pain it gives me to talk;   I will however mention one viz upon Colo Broadheads taking the Command we had a severe Skirmish in which a difficulty arose between him and Capt Carson, which resulted in the arrest of the Capt. and finally it was [three illegible words] to the Britishe

6th.  Did you ever receive a discharge from the Service, and if So, by whom was it given, and what has become of it?
Answer.  I received a discharge from Major Byers, which I left with my papers in Pennsylvania    where they now are for what I know 

[blank space with the number 3 in a lighter ink]

[Then resuming the regular dark ink]
7th  State the names of the persons to whom you are Known in your present Neighborhood, and who Can testify as to your character  for Veracity and thier belief. of your services as a Soldeir of the. Revolution

Answer, [next word appears to be]  Revirend. Michael Miller, Jacob Smith, Henry Hawkins, Peter Miller and many others, if necessary.-  Many of my old and dead friends have died within a year. or so past - 

Commonwealth of Kentucky - Jefferson County [perhaps sN or sS] 
         I Curran Pope Clk [or clak]  of the County Court of the County afsd do certify that George W. Chanbers the subscriber to the foregoing certificates is now and was at the date thereof an acting Justice of the peace in and for the County afsd duly Commissioned and Sworn and that full faith and credit are due to all his official acts as Such - in Testimony whereof I have hereto Set my hand and affixed the seal of Said County this 25th day of January 1841 and 49th Year of the Commonweath 
                                                                            Curran [or Currun] Pope