Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 11,258, John Webber, New Jersey
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(3--1776)
SERVICE
New Jersey

Webber, John or Weaver, John 

NUMBER
R. 11.258
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No 18442
Jno. Webber N.Y.
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Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. These points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus:}). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of John Webber of Schenectady co. New York
Period when the service was rendered. | Duration of the claimant's service. | Rank of the claimant. | Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served. | Names and Rank of the General and Field officers. | Battles in which the applicant was engaged. | Country through which he marched. | Place of abode when he entered the service, and age at the present period. | Evidence by which the declaration is supported. 
Enlisted 1777 or the last of 1776 (illegible) Period of the Battle of Trenton | served for (illegible)
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The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army,
and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all
persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who
were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to
Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are
excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged
in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this he
1. The Regular Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3. Persons employed in the Naval service.
4. Indian Spies.
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons, claiming
the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first in
stance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of
Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is
considered a Court of Record.
REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
of
On this
DECLARATION,
in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
Ste, Territy, or
County of
day of
personally appeared (a) before
A.B. a resident (b) of
in the county of
and State, Territory or District
years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the
following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provion made by the act of Congress, passed
June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d)
with and
served in the
(e) regiment of the
line, under the following named officers:
Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he servunder
more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the
town or county and State in which he resided when he enered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged,
and the country through which he marched. This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons
who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he
declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of
the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
And then will follow the certificate of the Court.
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary
soldier, and served as he states.
of the Court of
do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of
the application of
for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this
day of
& c.
If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be
found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia,
except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and
subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the
and C.D. residing in (the same)
hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with
who has
subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be
years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier
of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
And then will follow the certificate of the Court.
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after
putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary
Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A.B.
who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the
and that C.D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the
and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
1
Clerk of the Court of
do hereby certify that the foregoing
contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the applicacation of
for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal
of office, this
day of
& c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission
; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if
possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services
of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light
upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will
also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful
in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person
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will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal
means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted
; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected.
All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there
subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account
of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State
troops of Virginia.
1. Where and in what year were you born?
2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war
, and where do you now live?
4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute?
And if a substitute, for whom?
5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such
Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
6. ┃
To a Soldier.
Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given
and what has become of it?
Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what
Town offer has become of it?
State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify
as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are
requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court,
without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons--one of whom should be
the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from
their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed
and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion.
one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character
and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct
proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the
enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration be
fore required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the
proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to
perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record,
or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper
Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a
Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is
his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before
the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the
declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure
, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period
of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the
opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will fill
low the rule laid down for his guidance.
The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. The should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not
conforming to the rule.
The age of the claimant must invaribly be mentioned.
The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
Every continental officer or other must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the
claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so
definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the
loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason
of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his
recollection, he served not less than the persons mentioned below, and in the following grades:--For---year----months, anddays
, I served as a . For months and - days, I served as a ; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law
directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about the or four months,
is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years
in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is
highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement;
the particular place or place where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority
; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil
pursuit.
The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
The opinion of the Court is always required.
The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
The Clerk must be his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no pubthe
seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the
papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains
the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the end of
pass under the seal of other of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two
who are required to set forth in their wild with the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his
as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the
ness, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops, The proof required by
note applies to continental troops only.
This traditionary evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration
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State of New York
Co. of Schenectady
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In the matter of
the application of
John Webber or Weber
for a Pension
Proceedings
Nov. 23d 1832, recd
18442
No 46
to the care of
Hill Pellette
Schenectady N.Y.
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State of New York
County of Schenectady ⎬ ss
On this 19th
day of October One thousand Eight hundred
and Thirty two personally appeared
before me James Lawson of the
Justices of the Peace in and for said County
John Webber a resident of the town of
Glenville in said County, who being duly
sworn deposeth and saith that some time
near the close of the year one thousand
Seven Hundred & seventy-six, or the
beginning of the year 1777, being about
the time of the Battle of Trenton, when the
Hessians were taken prisoner he enlisted
& served for and during the war in
Captain William Bond's Company in the
Regiment of regular troops under command
of Colonel Ephraim Martin of the Jersey
●
line-- Shortly after the passage of the
first pension law of Congress the precise
time he cannot recollect he made a
plication for a pension. He then resided in
the town of
Schenectady
of
Glenville in the County
But his claim was not
admitted, for the reason, (as he was informed
by Col. Jellie A. Fonda, who was his agent
or Attorney) that his name appeared on the
muster Rolls at Washington as a "deserter". Towards the close of the war of
the revolution he was taken sick, and
permitted to return home on a furlough
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when his furlough was out, he returned to the
army but was sent back on furlough as not
well enough to perform military duty
He was then troubled with the falling sick
ness with which he is still afflicted. He
never knew or suspected that he had been
returned as a deserter until he received the
information when he made application for
a pension as aforesaid
1
.
Subscribed & sworn the John Albert
day & year first aforesaid
before me
James Caw
Justice of the Peace
I, James Caw Justice of the
Peace aforesaid before whom the foregoing decla
ration has been subscribed & sworn do certify
that John Weber who has subscribed & sworn
to the same is unable by reason of bodily infirmity
to attend Court. Witness my hand this
19th
day of October 1832
Chin
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the matter in residing in
the town of Glenville in the County of Shenectedy
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duly intifies that he is well acquainted, with
John Wife an inhabitant of the Town & County
aforesaid, now an applicant before the Court
for a pension, that he is a man of ement
ity & reported by one who have known him
for more men thirty years as a man of integrity
and one on whose election, the most entice
confidence may in piece, the undersigned
was conversed with the said John Weller now
on a sick at & he whites for a good memory
the active facts of service in the Revolution
her and with the fact in his affidavit he is
them, in which the undersigned his full time
Conference-- Smith October 19th 1832
Juping
of the 2d Reformed Dutch
in the town of the County of Schanting
affirmed in or
Court the 19th day
of October 1832
John S. Vrooman Clerk
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County of Schenectady
The Court of Common
Pleas in & for said County now sitting,
the designed Jamison residing in the town of Glenville
in the county of Schenectady
aforesaid, and John Sanders
residing in the same place
do hereby certify that we are well acquainted with to John Webber
who
has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be seventy nine
years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a
soldier of the revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Subscribed and sworn the
John S. Vrooman
day and year aforesaid
Clerk
in Col
⎬
John Sanders
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John Weber
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And the Court of Common Pleas in and
for said County of Schenectady now sitting
do hereby declare their opinion after due
investigation of the matter, that the before
name applicant John Weber was a revolu
tionary soldier & served as he states and
the Court further certifies that it appears
to them that James Murphy who signed the
foregoing certificate is a Clergyman residing
in the town of Glenville in said County
& that James Law June & John Sanders who
have in like manner signed a certificate hereto
annexed are residents in said town & are both
credible persons, and that their statement
is entitled to credit, and the court further
certifies that it appears to them that said
applicant cannot attend Court by reason of
bodily infirmity
I, John C. Kooman Clerk of said
County, do hereby certify, that the foregoing
contains the original proceedings of the said
Court in the matter of the application of John
Weber for a pension and I further certify
that James Law Junr before whom the
preceding declaration was sworn was on the day
of the date hereof or Justice of the Peace in &
for said County and that his signature to the same
is genuine.
Witness my hand & seal of office
this nineteenth day of October
1832 John S Vrooman Clerk
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19,282
W. Edmond
John Weber or Weaver
Schenectady Co N.Y.
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Jelles A. Fonda
Schenectady, N.Y.
Recd 25 May 1824
Deserted in Oct. 1778
Rejected. See letter
29 May 1824, to Elies
A. Fonda
& to
Hon J.W. Taylor, 26 Dec
1826. do. to J. Webber Aug
18, 1836.
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County of Schenectaby, } ss.
STATE OF NEW-YORK,
On this eighteenth day of May 1824 personally appeared
in Open Court John Webber alias John Weaver
a soldier in the revolutionary war - New Jersey regiment on the establishment lack Bond
Company
aged about sixty three
herein in hold why sworn accord
to law, doth, on his oath, declare that he served in the Revolutionary war as follows:
in New Jersey State, after the battle in
Bunker Hill, for during the war and served
at a holden
And I do solemnly swear that I was a resident citizen of the United States on the eighteenth day of
March, one thousand eight hundred and eighteen and that I have not, since that time, by gift, sale,
or in any manner whatever, disposed of my property, or any part thereof, with intent thereby so to
diminish it as to bring myself within the provisions of an act of Congress, entitled "An act to provide
for certain persons engaged in the land and naval service of the United States in the revolution
ary war," passed on the eighteenth day of March, one thousand eight hundred and eighteen and that
I have not, nor has any person in trust for me, any property or securities, contracts, or debts due to
me; nor have I any income other than what is contained in the schedule hereto annexed and by me
subscribed.
Jelle
Liquidation
Real Estate
Bisual property--low
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2 Calver
2 Boydnecessary

Bedding & nothing
Penslow
John Webber aged
69 years
Catherin wife
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2 years
Son
27 - years
Grand Sec
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15 years
$10-
or
---
&
To
$54
Sworn to and declared, on the 18 day of May 1824, before me
open Court agreeable to the ends of the
10, & 1 May 1829
John Webber
I, JELLES A. FONDA, Clerk of the county of Schenectady, do hereby certify, that the foregoing
oath and the schedule thereto annexed, are truly copied from the record of the said court; and I do
further certify, that it is the opinion of the said court, that the total amount in value of property exhibited
in the aforesaid schedule, is fifty four
dollars
andthe

seal of the said on this 10 day of
1824-
James A. Fonda
Clerk of the County of Schenectady.
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I certify that the witnesses are credible
Jelles Fonda
to
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State of New York
tacity
Additional Testamony -

State of New York
of St Nicholas Webber
allas Nichols was a soldier in
the revolutionary war being we defea
seth & saith that he knew and was
acquainted with John Webber alias John
Weaver a private soldier on the este
ishment New Jersey line revolutionary War
, Ephraim Martin Regent &
that he was enlisted during the war
at saith not-
Jose
┃ 1124
in open Court -
Gillet A. Ford Clerk
County of Schenectady
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additional Testamony
State of Newe York
County of Schenectady
T
Lee
29th day
10124
Jelle
John Luman
Soldier - in the revolutionary War
North Carolina State being swon
deposeth and saith that he knew &
acquainted with John Webber had been
a soldier in this
revollutionary War law Jersey will
for more than two years in the
Connecticut establishment and
 proceeded south not
J
of March
John & Litton
before
Londa Hack
mark
County of Lee
Clerk of the County of Schenectady.
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New York
Revo
John Webbe

Rejected
let G. F. Yates 23 May
1833
11258
Act 7 June 1832
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11.258 REJECTED
John Webber
T
Service:
Enlisted:
Discharged:
Application filed:
Alleges:
Re-enlisted:
Attorney:
P. O.
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Recognized.
Cert. of Dis. Searched for
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Contrac
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I
Hon J. W. Taylor,
H. R.
Recd 26 Dec. 1826
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State of New York
County of Schenectady
additional testimony
John Luffman late a soldier in the
Revolutionary War on the continental
Establishment in the first North Carolina
Regiment being duly sworn deposeth
& saith that he was well acquainted with
John Webber alias John Weaver a
Soldier in the Revolutionary war at the
Close and two years previous to and
that he had a furlough on account
of ill health at the time the army
was discharged and that he was in
the vicinity of the Army, when the
Soldiers were dismissed & further says
that said John Webber alias John Weaver
was at that time unable on account of
Ill health to go, and receive his discharge
& that said Webber was sent for to come
& receive the discharge but was unable
to go & further saith not
Sworn October 5 Before me
his mark
John Luffman
Elina D. Daois

note of the new
I certify that John Luffman the Deponent
above named is a credible person
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and does not write his name for the
want of execution
Jelles O. Fonda at
Clerk County of Schenecteday