Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 5,947, Joseph Brymer, N.C.
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SERVICE                                          NUMBER

N.C.               Brymer, Joseph        W. 5,947
                       or Brimmer
                                       Celia

CONTENTS
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6156

Georgia
Celia Brymer alias Brimmer
widow of Joseph, Brymer
1 N.C Line
who served in the Revolutionary War, as a private

Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 23 Dollars 33 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1848.

Certificate of Pension issued the 15th day of Sept 1853. and sent to C.C. Tucker Present

Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act July 23[crossed out] 2 Feby, 1848, Page 208 Vol. 3
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State of Georgia ⎬ 
Hall County ⎬ Ss.
On this the sixteenth day of December in the year of our Lord One thousand Eight hundred and fifty one. Personally appeared before me, James Roberts an acting Justice of the Inferior Court within and for the County and State and aforesaid Celia Brymer some times called Brimmer) aged ninety one years, who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on her said Oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of all the Laws of the United States now in force, or which may hereafter be enacted, for the benefit of the widows of the soldiers of the Revolutionary war. That her maiden name was Celia Heard, That from the best information she has had of her birth she was born in the month of January A.D. One thousand Seven hundred and sixty one. (1761) in Abbeville District State of South Carolina. That some time in the month of February A.D. One thous and seven hundred and Eighty (1780) she was married to J. Brymer, some times called Brimmer by Esquire Moore, an acting Magistrate in and for the District of Abbeville in the state of South Carolina she does not recollect Moore's Christain name, was married at ninety six a little County Village in said District, that said Brymer late in the summer after they were married, and after Gates's defeat left home to Join the American Soldiers or whigs as they were then called, in the state of North Carolina. have frequently heard Brymer speake of being at the Battles of Kings Mountain Oct. 1. 1780 where
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the British Commander was killed, and the Battle of Guilford Court House Mar 15, 1781. The names of officers familiar to my memory are Shelley, Cleveland, Lee, Morgan, Green, Gates, Tarleton and Cornwallis, Except Genl.s Gates and Green and Lord Cornwallis, she has no particular recollection of their Titles. Brymer was at the siege of ninety Six, this she knows from personal knowledge as she lived within three or four miles of ninety six. during the siege, Brymer visited his family about that time every three or four days. he remained with the American Army and was at the battle of Eutaw Springs, and when the soldiers generally returned home he did so too. she thinks he was absent from home in the army all together more than two years, some times for longer and sometimes shorter periods, with the exception of the Siege of ninety six. My statements in relation to Brymer's Military services are made from the recollection of what he told me, and by reason of Extreme old age and consequent loss of memory I have no doubt forgotten most-- and possibly mistated some important facts. tho my memory retains the facts, their details I cannot attempt to relate. There were many more officers names mentioned by Brymer which have escaped my memory, and I presume I recollect the above because more frequently reiterated by Brymer. I know of no record evidence of Brymers services tho I am informed that it is probable such can be obtained from the records of North Carolina. After Brymers return from the army, we remaind in Abbeville District South Carolina, a short time, then removed, over the line between
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Abbeville and Pendleton District, a short distance in Pendleton District South Carolina (now Anderson District) where we remained untill the fall of the year A.D. One thousand Eight hundred and eight (1808) when we removed to Hall County in the State of Georgia and lived there together untill the death of said Brymer, which occured in September A.D. One thousand eight hundred and twenty three (1823) on Chandlers Creek in Hall County State of Georgia, that she still remains a widow and still resides in Hall County Georgia, was married to said Brymer by the publication of Banns, and there is no private Record of the same to my knowledge, unless the same may be known to Daniel Maddox of Gwinnett County Georgia and Gilbert Haze of Gilmer County Georgia, who was at the time of sufficient age to recollect the marriage, and has been well acquainted with myself eversince. I will here state that Brymer was known, indifferently by the name of Brymer or Brimmer a fact which holds good with my own family to the present day. 
Celia herXmark Brymer 

Sworn to and subscribed before me, the day and year first above written. And I hereby certify that I am well acquainted with Celia Brymer who has sworn to and subscribed the foregoing Declaration, that she resides in Hall County in the State of Georgia and I believe her to be of the age above stated. by reason of her extreme old age and great debility she is unable to appear in open Court, That she sustains a good and fair reputation for truth
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and veracity, and is esteemed to be the widow of a soldier of the Revolutionary war. That the name is indifferently known as Brymer or Brimmer, both as regards herself and the various members of her connection. 
James Roberts J.J.C.
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State of Georgia} Ss.
Hall County}
On this the seventeenth day December, A.D. One thousand Eight hundred and fifty one. Personally appeared before me James Roberts an acting Justice of the Inferior Court within and for the County and State aforesaid. Daniel Madox aged Eighty two years, a resident of Gwinnett County, in the state aforesaid who being first duly sworn according to Law deposeth and saith, that from the time of his earliest recollection, he was acquainted with Celia Heard, in Abbeville District, State of South Carolina, that she was married to one J Brymer or Brimmer, at Ninety six, in Abbeville District State of South Carolina, some time in the month of February, in the year A.D. One thousand Seven hundred and Eighty (1780) by one Esquire Moore an acting Magistrate for the District of Abbeville and State of South Carolina. deponent was present at the marriage, and why he recollects the time and circumstance of the marriage so well, having heard Brymer and his wife Celia Brymer, frequently speak of the time since. that deponent was an intimate friend of J Brimmer or Brymer and wife, and has known them both intimately from the time of their marriage upto the death of the said J. Brymer or Brymmer which occured on Chandlers Creek in Hall County in the state of Georgia sometime in the month of September, A.D. One thousand Eight hundred and twenty three (1823) that he was present at his buriel and witnessed his Interment. deponent removed to the State of Georgia Hall County in the fall of the year AD. One thousand eight hundred.
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and J. Brymer or Brymmer removed to the same settlement where deponent then resided in Hall County Georgia, AD. One thousand Eight hundred and Eight (1808.) deponent has no personal knowledge of the Revolutionary service of J. Brymer or Brymmer, but always understood he had been a soldier of the Revolutionary war and he was so esteemed by all who knew him, have frequently heard older men than myself say that they were personally acquainted with him in the war of the Revolution, and have frequently heard J. Brymer or Brymmer and others converse together about their Revolutionary Exploits, and the many hairs breath escapes they had made, while in the war of the Revolution. deponent has been acquainted with the said Celia Brymer since the death of her husband. Brymer or Brymmer that she has remained a widow, and has always sustained a good character, and fair reputation for truth and varacity and in every other respect perfectly respectable. she still resides in Hall County state of Georgia and has every reason to believe she is ninety one years of age as stated by her in a declaration, Exhibited to him and is satisfied of the truth of all the statements therein contained. the name has also as been indiferently known as Brymer or Brymmer Daniel Madox 

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year first above written. And I hereby certify that the said Daniel Madox, who has sworn to and subscribed the foregoing deposition is well known to me that he is now
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a citizen of Gwinnett County State of Georgia (formerly of Hall County Georgia), and a man of good character, and of fair standing for truth and verasity, and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given, and that I believe him of the age above stated.
James Roberts, J.J.C.

State of Georgia}
Hall County}
On this the 17th day of December A.D. 1851. Personally appeared before me, James Tuggle, a citizen of Gwinnett County Georgia, aged 56 years, who being first duly sworn according to law says upon oath that Daniel Madox, who has sworn to and subscribed the foregoing deposition, is well known to him, that he is of fair standing for truth and verasity, and of good moral character, and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due, and ought to be given James Tuggle 

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written. And I hereby certify that James Tuggle who has Sworn to and subscribed the above deposition , is a resident of Gwinnett County in the State of Georgia, and is well-known to me, that he is a man of fair standing for truth and varacity and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given. 
James Roberts, J.J.C.
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State of Georgia}
Hall County}
Know all men by these presents, that I, Celia Brimer of the County and State aforesaid, for good and sufficient causes and considerations, have constituted and appointed, and by these presents do hereby constitute and appoint Charles C. Tucker of Washington City District of Columbia, my true and lawful attorney, for me, and in my name, place and stead, to prosecute my claim against the government of the United States for a Pension which is due me for the Revolutionary service of my deceased husband J. Brimer, who was a soldier of the Revolutionary war, and I hereby authorize my said attorney to demand and receive from the proper officer or department of the government such amount as may be allowed upon said claim or a certificate for the same, and to give such receipts for the same as may be lawful and proper. and to do and perform all and every thing concerning the same that I myself might or could do were I personally present at the doing thereof, hereby revoking any and every other power of Attorney which I may have heretofore have given, and ratifying and confirming all that my said attorney shall lawfully do in and about the premises in virtue hereof. 
Signed sealed and delivered}
 in presence of} 16 Decr. 1851.}
Celia herXmark Brymer {seal}
L. Maddox 
James Roberts J.J.C 

State of Georgia}
Hall County}  
to wit: On this the 16th day of December A.D. 1851. Personally appeared Celia Brymer before me the undersigned a Justice of the Superior Court in and for the County and State aforesaid, and acknowledged the above power of attorney
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to be her act and deed for the purposes therein contained 
James Roberts J.J.C. {seal}
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State of Georgia} SS
Hall County} 
I William Sitton Clerk of the Superior Court in and for the County and State aforesaid, the same being a Court of Record having general jurisdiction, do hereby certify that James Roberts is a Justice of the Inferior Court in & for said county and State, duly commissioned and qualified and legally authorized to administer oaths and take acknowledgements in said County, that all his official acts as such entitled to full faith and credit and that his written signatures to the foregoing Declaration, Deposition, and power of  Attorney are genuine Given under my hand and seal of office Gainesville on this 20th day of December AD 1851 
William Sitton, C. S. C. H. C.
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State of Georgia ⎬ SS.
Hall County ⎬ 
On this 26th day of January A.D. 1853. Personally appeared before me a Notary Public, in and for the state and County aforesaid Margaret Paygn aged 88 years, a resident at present of Hall County in the State aforesaid, who being duly sworn according to Law, deposeth and saith on oath that she is the Identical Margaret Paygn who give testimony in the case of the claim of Mrs Celia Brymer to a Revolutionary Pension, about the 2nd of Feby 1852, and in addition to what she then stated. she says that she knows that Joseph Brymer was a soldier of the Revolutionary war, as well as she could know any thing she did not see. she did not see Joseph Brymer in the Revolutionary Army, but saw him several times, when he came home, to visit his family, and heard him relate the many scenes and dificulties he had passed through while in the army of the Revolution and have frequently him say that he served with the army from North Carolina, and deponent staid with Mrs Celia Brymer, while Joseph Brymer went at one time to North Carolina to receive a payment for his services in the Revolutionary war with the North Carolina Army, that she Recolects that when he Brymer, returned that the money he brought was all in specie. 
This deponent is positive that Mrs Brymers Marriage was about two years previous to her own, that she has no record of her own marriage, but knows that she was married when between 17 and 18 years of age, and that Mrs Brymer had a son, previous to the marriage of this deponent, and called his name Benjamin Brymer, and when Benjamin was near two years of age Mrs Celia Brymer had another child a daughter and called her name Mary, the next child was a son and they called his name Nelson, they had nine children
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in all, by their said marriage, previous to the death of the said Joseph Brymer. deponent has frequently heard, Mrs Celia Brymer speak of having a record of the Births of her children, in their family Bible, and then after the death of her husband Joseph Brymer have heard her say it had been tourn from the Bible and destroyed. 
Margaret herXmark Paygn  

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year first-above written. And I certify that I believe the said Margaret Paygn to be the Identical person she represents herself to be, and that she is of the age above stated and that she is a woman of respectability truth and varacity and whose Testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given. 
Given under my hand and seal of Office at Gamesville This 26th day of January A.D. 1853.  James Roberts Notary Public
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Revy  WIDOW, &c

File No. 5947
Celia Brymer alias Brimmer
Widow
Joseph Brymer alias Brimmer
Pvt. Rev. War

Act: Feby. 2nd 48

Index:--Vol. a, Page 84

[Arrangement of 1870.]
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no 7,808

Celia Brymer
wid of Joseph
Geo
Let. C.L. Tucker April 20/52
Same June 28, 1832
Same June 16 1838
Same Aug 11/53
July 4, 1836
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11.552 
Georgia 
Celia Brymer, alias Brimmer widow of Joseph Brymer alias Brimmer who died on the --- of --- in the State of Conn who was a priv in the       commanded by Captain     of the          commanded  by     in the Rev.y line for 7 mos.

Inscribed on the Roll of Conn at the rate of 23 Dollars 33 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1836. 

Certificate of Pension issued the 15 day of Sept 1853 and sent to CC Tucker Present

Arrears to the 4th of     
Semi-annual allowance ending 

Revolutionary Claim,}
Act July 7, 1838. }
Recorded by H.E. Robinson Clerk, 
Book D Vol. 1  Page 317
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9428, 
Georgia 
Celia Brymer alias Brimmer widow of Joseph who was a private in the Revolution 

Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 23 Dollars 33 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1843. 

Certificate of Pension issued the Sept 15 day of Sept 1853 and sent to CC. Tucker Present
[Acts of March 3, 1843 & June 17, 1844.]

Recorded in Book A Vol.  2  Page 172
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Georgia Agency 
Celia Brymer alias Brimmer, widow of Joseph, who was a private N.C. troop
Ac Act July 7. 1838. 
March 3d 1843. &  tc[?]
7 mo private $23.33 per Ann 
Co March 4, 1836 

C.C. Tucker, Present
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State of Georgia}
Gwinnett County} Ss. 
On this the thirtieth day of December, A.D. One thousand Eight hundred and fifty one. Personally appeared before me, an acting Justice of the Inferior Court within and for the County and State aforesaid Elias Davis aged fifty three years and Joel Davis aged fifty one years, both resident citizens of the state and County aforesaid, and after being duly sworn according to Law, deposeth and saith that they both resided in the State of South Carolina Pendleton District, (now Anderson District) when small boys, with their parents, that from their earlyest recollection, they lived near Joseph Brymer and wife Celia Brymer, that they lived together as man and wife and was always recognized as such, and raised a family of children together as man and wife, and why deponents feely confident they was man and wife, is that they was both pious and respectable members of  the Baptist Church, and lived in said Church in Christain fellowship, with the father and Mother (which is now dead) of deponents, and other old persons, who they deponents has heard say was acquainted with Brymer and wife before they was married, and that J. Brymer was at all times reputed as a soldier of the Revolutionary war, and so spoken of by old persons in that section of Country, that J. Brymer and wife Celia Brymer moved to the State of Georgia Hall County, some time in the year 1808 or 1809 that deponents moved to Georgia, Gwinnett County some time thereafter, deponent was not present at the death of the said J. Brymer but understood he died in Hall County Georgia
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in the year 1823. that they have since still been well acquainted with the said Celia Brymer, that she still resides in Hall County Georgia, and still remains a widow, and is still a pious and acceptable, member of the Baptist Church, and a person in whom the utmost confidence, as to respectability, truth and veracity should be given, and that Daniel Madox of Gwinnett County in the State of Georgia (who has made a deposition to establish said Revolutionary Claim of Celia Brymer) is well known to deponent, that he is a man of truth and veracity and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given, that the name has always been indifferently known and called Brymer or Brimmer
Elias Davis 
Joel Davis 

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written. And I hereby certify that I am well acquainted with Elias Davis and Joel Davis, who has sworn to and subscribed the above deposition, that they are both citizen of Gwinnett County, and men of respectability truth and veracity and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given 
Jesse Lowe J.J.C
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State of Georgia}
Givens County} 
I Lyman F. Willcox Clerk of the Superior Court of said County and Keeper of the records & seal thereof do hereby certify that Jesse Lowe Esq whose name appears to the foregoing affidavit + certificate is and was at the time of signing the same a Justice of the Inferior Court of said County duly commissioned & qualified and fully authorized to administer oaths That the signature is in his own proper hand  writing in due form & by the proper Office 
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of Office this 30th day of December AD 1851 
Lyman F Willcox Clk  LCGC
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State of Georgia ⎬ SS.
S.S. Hall County ⎬ 
On this 25th day of January A.D. 1853 Personally appeared before me a Notary Public in and for the County and State aforesaid John Cain Senr. aged 75 years, a resident of Gwinnett County in the State aforesaid, who being duly sworn according to Law, deposeth and saith on oath, that from the information of his parents he was born in the State of North Carolina that  he removed with his parents to the State of South Carolina, Pendleton District (now Anderson District), and Joseph Brymer and wife Celia lived in the same neighbourhood, where deponent moved to, that lived together as man and wife and was at all times looked upon and reputed as man and wife, that deponent first became acquainted with Brymer and wife Celia Brymer in the fall of the year of 1792, That Joseph Brymer was at all times looked upon and reputed as having been a soldier of the Revolutionary war. that deponent has frequently heard, old persons, speak of Joseph Brymer as having been soldier of the Revolutionary war, as having served with the army from North Carolina, and that deponent has frequently heard said Brymer relate the many difficulties and the scenes of the Battle field he had encountered while in the war of the Revolution, and deponent feels confident, that Joseph Brymer, served with the North Carolina Militia that while deponent has heard, soldiers of the Revolutionary war, who served in South Carolina and with the soldiers from that state speake of the great depreciation of the currency with which they was paid for their revolutionary services. Brymer would speak in terms of praise of North Carolina
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and said if they paid him but little. they paid him in sound currency, they paid him in specie. That Brymer and wife Celia with their family removed to Hall County State of Georgia, he thinks about the year 1808 that deponent a few years thereafter removed to the State of Georgia Hall County in the settlement of where the said Joseph Brymer and wife Celia Brymer then lived, that they still lived together as man and wife up to the time of the death of the said Joseph Brymer, which took place in the fall of the year of 1823 on Chandlers Creek in Hall County Georgia, that deponent removed across the Hall County line about one hundred yards into Gwinnett County, that he has ever since been acquainted with the said Celia Brymer that she still resides in Hall County and is still widow, that Joseph Brymer & wife Celia Brymer was both persons of good moral character and persons of respectability truth and veracity. That Benjamin Brymer the eldest son of the said Joseph and Celia Brymer was near the age of deponent or within two or three years of his age that have frequently spoken of their ages together and had reference to their family record, untill the same was destroyed by being torn from their family Bible, their next oldest child was named Mary, which was about twenty months younger than Benjamin. they had seven other children previous to the death of the said Joseph Brymer 
John Cain Sr.

Sworn to and subscribed before me, the day and year above written. And I certify that John Cain Sr. is well known to me that he is a person of Respectability & truth Given under my hand and seal of Office This 25th day of January AD 1853.
James Roberts, Notary Public
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State of Georgia} SS. 
Hall County} 
On this the twenty fifth day of January A.D. 1853, Personally appeared before me a Notary Public (being authorized by law to administer oaths for general purposes, and take acknowledgements,) within and for the County and State aforesaid Celia Brymer aged 92 years a resident of the County and State aforesaid, who being duly sworn, according to Law, deposeth and saith an oath, that she is the Identical Celia Brymer who has made a Declaration and filed with the Commissioner of Pensions for the services of her husband Joseph Brymer, in the Revolutionary war, with the Militia of North Carolina. That she knows her said husband served the army from North Carolina, that he had to goe to North Carolina , to receive pay for his services in war of the Revolution, that she Recollects very distinctly, that he brought home what money he did receive, in specie that he complained that it was a small sum, for him to have passed through so many dangers for and so much fatigue in the Revolutionary war for. She distinctly recollects, that her first child (a son, by her marriage to her husband Joseph Brymer was Born on the 13th day of October 1781, and his name was Benjamin Brymer. that her next child was a daughter and named Mary Brymer and was born on the 15" day of June 1783. and that she had seven other children, by her said husband Joseph Brymer previous to his death, there was no public or private record of her marriage to her husband Joseph Brymer but that her husband kept a record of the births of their children in his family Bible, but on
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the next year after the death of her said husband her son who lived near her had their family Bible to make use of and some of his children tour the leaf, which contained the ages of their children from the Bible, and consequently she cannot recollect the precise ages of none of her children but the two oldest.
Celia herXmark Brymer 

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written. And I certify that I believe the said Celia Brymer to be the identical person she represents herself to be, and that she is well known to me, and is a person of respectability truth and veracity, and to her testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given. 
Given under my hand and seal of Office at Gainesville, This 25th day of January A D 1853. 
James Robert Notary Public
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State of Georgia} SS
Hall County}
I William Sitton Clerk of the Superior Court in and for the County and State aforesaid do hereby certify that James Roberts is a Justice of the Inferior Court in & for said County & State duly commissioned and qualified & legally authorized to administer Oaths for general purposes and that his written Signatures to the annexed papers is genuine 
Given under my hand and seal of Office this 3rd day of February 1852 
William Sitton, Clerk
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State of Georgia}
Hall County} SS. 
On this the second day of February - A.D. one thousand Eight hundred and fifty two. Personally appeared before me an acting Justice of the Inferior Court, within and for the County and State aforesaid, John B. Sage aged fifty five years a resident citizen of the state and County aforesaid who being duly sworn according to Law deposeth and saith, that he resided in the State of South Carolina Pendleton District (now Anderson District), when a small boy with his parents, that they lived near where Joseph Brymer and his wife Celia Brymer then lived, that deponent was well acquainted with them both from his earliest recollection, that they lived together as man and wife and was at all times so reputed and raised a family of Children together as man and wife, and deponent feels confident they was man and wife, that they was both pious and orderly members of the Baptist Church, and lived together in full fellowship in the Church up to this time of the death of the said J. Brymer and deponent knows it to be a settled rule in the Baptist Church not to hold any of its member in fellowship in the Church, that live in a State of adultery or adultery and fornication or either, and that he has heard old persons that lived in the church with them, say they was acquainted with J. Brymer and Celia Heard previous to their marriage, and have heard them say they was at the wedding when J. Brymer and Celia Heard was married, And that the said J. Brymer was at all times reputed and spoken of is a true whig (as they were then called) and soldier of the Revolutionary war deponent recollects a conversation he heard, when a boy between a well
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known old Tory and the said J. Brymer the old tory cursed J. Brymer in a very profane manner and told him he was a rebel to the Kings government and fought on the side of the rebels. J. Brymer told the tory in reply, that if him and his tory compassions had not have saved themselves by light, when him Brymer, and the soldiers of the Revolution attacked them in swamp of the Santee that he (the tory) would not be here now for the people to be disturbed with, the tory said of J. Brymer and the rebel Company he was with had not have been so much the strongest, him and his friends of the King would not have run In this controvesy of words deponent, saw all those present that was known, as true whigs and friend of American Independence collect around J. Brymer, and extol him for his bravery in Revolutionary war, and his undeviating adhereance, to the principals of American Independence, which made an impression upon the mind of deponent. which time has not eradicated, that he ever after looked upon J. Brymer as a soldier of the Revolutionary war, and a true friend of American Independence, upto the time of his death, That J. Brymer and wife Celia Brymer moved to the State of Georgia, Hall County some time in the year 1808 that deponent moved to the State of Georgia Hall County a short time thereafter, that deponent was acquainted with the said J. Brymer and wife upto the time of the death of the said J. Brymer, which occured in Hall County Georgia in the year 1823. deponent was not present at the death or burial of the said J. Brymer, but have heard several
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persons of respectability say they was present, that deponent has since still been acquainted with the said Celia Brymer, that she still resides in Hall County, Georgia, and still remains a widow since the death of her said husband, that she is a person in whom the utmost confidence as to respectability, truth and veracity, should and ought to be given, and that Elias Davis and Joel Davis whose depositions has been exhibited to deponent, both of Gwinnett County Georgia, is well known to deponent, that they are men of respectability, truth and veracity and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given, and also that he is acquainted with Daniel Madox of the County of Gwinnett, State of Georgia, whose testimony has been filed in said claim, that he is a person of respectability truth, and veracity and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given. that the name has always been indifferently known and called. Brymer or Brimmer that deponent went to school with the children of the said J. and Celia Brymer or Brimmer, and that he has frequently saw them write their name that they sometime wrote it Brymer and sometimes Brimmer, and so they were indifferently known and called by the children at school Brymer or Brimmer
John B Paygn 

Sworn to and subscribed before me, the day and year first above written. And I hereby certify that I am well acquainted with John B. Paygn who has sworn to and subscribed the above and foregoing affadavit, that he is a citizen of Hall County and a man of respectability truth and veracity and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given. 
James Robert J. J. C.
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State of Georgia}
Hall County} SS. 
On this the second day of February A.D. one thousand Eight hundred and fifty two. Personally appeared before me. One of the Justices of the Inferior Court within and for the County and State aforesaid who being duly sworn, according to law, deposeth and saith that they Elias R. Sartor aged 42 years, Harden Roberts aged 38 years, and Samuel Martin aged 47 years, all citizens of the County and any and State aforesaid, are well acquainted with Margaret Paygn and John B. Paygn, who has sworn to and subscribed the foregoing and attached affadavits that Margaret Paygn has formerly resided in Hall County Georgia, (but now in Forsyth County) and that John B. Paygn is a citizen of Hall County and State aforesaid of this immediate vicinity that they are both persons of respectability truth and veracity and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given 
Elias R Sartor 
Harden Roberts 
Samuel Martin 

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year first above written. And I hereby certify that Elias R. Sartor Harden Roberts and Samuel Martin are all resident citizens of Hall County and State of Georgia and men of respectability, Truth and veracity and to whose affadavits, full faith and credit is due and should be given 
James Roberts J.J.C.
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State of Georgia} 
Hall County} SS. 
On this the second day of February in the year of our Lord, One thousand Eight hundred and fifty two. Personally appeared before me James Roberts one of the Justices of the Inferior Court, within and for the County and State aforesaid, Margaret Paygn aged Eighty seven years, formerly a resident of Hall County and State aforesaid, (now of Forsyth County) and State aforesaid who being duly sworn according to Law, deposeth and saith, that she resided  in the State of South Carolina Spartanburgh District when a small girl with her parents that her maiden name was Margaret Driver she moved with her parents, to Pendleton District (now Anderson District) South Carolina some time about the year 1777 or 1778, near the line of Abbeville District, that she became acquainted with Joseph Brymer or Brimmer as he was some times called by the name of Brymer and some times Brimmer and Miss Celia Heard of Abbeville District South Carolina a short time after he moved to Pendleton District, that deponent became very intimate with Miss Celia Heard, and she told deponent at several times that she was going to get married to Mr. Joseph Brymer or Brimmer, that she deponent afterwards understood, that Joseph Brymer and Celia Heard was married by Esqr. Moore and to the best of her recollection they was married in the early part of the year of 1780, and why she recollects this to have been the time, is because it was about two years previous to her deponents own marriage, to one Archibald Paygn. that deponent shortly after she heard of the marriage saw Joseph Brymer
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and wife Celia together and they both told her they was married to each other, deponent heard others say they was at their wedding, and said that Esquire Moore married them, does not recollect Moore's Christain name nor does she know of her own personal knowledge that he was Commissioned as a magistrate, but she knows that he was at all times called Esquire Moore and very frequently called on, to Solemnize Marriage contracts, and it was said by those intimately acquainted with him that he was Commissioned as a magistrate and fully authorized to marry persons and administer Oaths &c. That J. Brymer or Brimmer and wife Celia removed into Pendleton District South Carolina (now Anderson District) near where deponent then resided, this was Shortly after J Brymer or Brimmer returned from the war, and as she believes about 1783, deponent does not know of her own knowledge that J Brymer was a soldier of the Revolutionary war, but she knows he was absent from house, and it was said by his wife and all the neighbours that he was in the Revolutionary war, that deponent staid several nights with Mrs Celia Brymer or Brimmer while her husband J. Brymer was absent from home and she Celia Brymer said he was in the Army, and related many of the dangers and difficulties he had to encounter with. J. Brymer and wife Celine Brymer lived in the same settlement and near where deponent resided untill about the year 1808 or shortly thereafter, when they removeed to Hall County, State of Georgia where they resided untill some time
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in the year 1823, when the said Joseph Brymer died, deponent was not present when he died but has saw respectable persons that has told her they was present at his death and burial, that she saw Mrs. Celia Brymer, shortly after and she told deponent her husband J. Brymer was dead, that deponent has ever since been acquainted with Mrs Celia Brymer, that she still resides in Hall County and still remains a widow ever since the death of her husband, that deponent resided in Hall County untill 1845, when he removed to Forsyth County Georgia where she now resides that she still stays a part of her time in Hall County and part in Forsyth County Georgia. That J. Brymer or Brimmer was at all times up to the time of his death, looked upon and spoken of as a soldier of the Revolutionary war, and that him and his wife Celia Brymer, was both pious and acceptable members of the Baptist Church, and lived in the Church in Christain fellowship, up to the time of the death of the said J. Brymer, that the said Celia Brymer is a person of respectability truth and veracity, and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given and that Daniel Madox, Elias Davis and Joel Davis of Gwinnett County is well known to deponent and has been for many years, that they are all good citizens respectable members of society and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and ought to be given. That the name was always indifferently known and called sometimes Brymer and sometimes Brimmer, a fact which follows the family to the present time.
Margaret herXmark  Paygn 

Sworn to and subscribed before me
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the day and year first above written. And I hereby certify that Margaret Paygn, is well known to me, that she is a very pious and respectable person, and woman in whom the most reliable confidence can be placed, as to truth and veracity, and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given 
James Roberts J.J.C. 
And I further certify the word ,she,  and letter (a) on the third page was interlined previous to being sworn to 
James Robert J. J. C.
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Hog Mountain P. O. 
Hall County Georgia 
Decr. 22. 1851. 

Dear Sir
I have been requested by those interested to forward to you the enclosed (Declarant is [illegible]) power of attorney with the same, to Chas. C. Tucker Esqr. general agent authorizing him to attend to the same, and request me to say they will forward further testimony in due time. 

very respectfully &c.
Jas Roberts Dear Sir 

you will please acknowledge the receipt of the same
J. R.  

To the Commissioner of Pensions Washington City D. C.
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The statutes of South Carolina do not now nor never have required a public record of the marriages solemnized within that State to be Kept. Nor do they require any license for its solemnization. Marriage in that State is a civil contract and so regarded by the laws of that State 
James L. Orr 
M.C.
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Brief in the case of Lelia Brummel Bryman
Hall act County and State of Georgia
July 7. 1838.

Claim original," or for increase.)
Proof exhibited, (if original.)

Is it documentary, traditionary, or supported by rolls? If either, state the substance.

Record endance of service
satisfactory parch dece of Marage

(If for increase.)
Has additional evidence been filed since the admission of the claim? If so, what?
Name and residence of Agent
C. C. Tucker
Present
Examining Clerk.
Enderle
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In the Matter of Celia Brimer __Ga.

Declaration 
Mrs Brimer 
Dec. 1851}

Alledges she is 90 years of age and was married in Feby 1781__in S.C.__After Gates defeat in that year Brimer left home in the full & joined the army in North Carolina. Has heard Brimer say he was at the battle of Kings Mountain (Oct 1. 1780) & Guilford C.H. (March 15 1881). Names of Officers familiar to her are Shelby, Cleveland, Lee, Morgan Green, Gates, Tarleton & Cornwallis. Brimer was at the seige of "Ninety six", a small county town. She resided three miles from there & knew the fact. Was also at the Battle of Eutaw. Thinks he was absent altogether more than two years." "Has no record evidence of service - it is probable such the record of can be obtained from N. Carolina"__ 

Mrs Brimer's 
2nd Declaration 
January 1853} 

"knows her said husband served in the army from N. Carolina; that he went to N.C. to get his pay, which he brought home in Specie. She recollects distinctly her first child was born Oct 13. 1781 - & the second June 15, 1783. Has no public or private record of marriage. Family record lost.
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Dan Madox 
82 years old_
Dec. 17. 1851}

as known claimant from earliest recollection she was married to Brimer, in Abbeville District S.C. in Feby 1780, Deponent was present at Marriage - He has frequently heard them speak of the date of marriage. Knew them intimately from time of marriage to death of Brimer in Sept. 1823. Was present at his death & burial. Has no personal knowledge of Brimer's revolutionary services.- always heard him reputed a revolutionary as such soldier, was so esteemed by all who knew him. Celia has remained a widow & sustains a good Character." Certified credible 

Gilbert Hays Gilmer Co. 
Georia Aged 92 years
 filed Mar. 5. 1852}

Deponent was born in North Carolina when a small boy his parents moved to S.C. to the immediate neighborhood of Mr Brimer. Brimer was then absent in the revolutionary war_ he returned home some times on furlough. We moved to S.C. in the fall of 1779_and Brimer was married in the winter or Spring following to Miss Celia Heard, the present claimant. - Deponent was at the infare day after the wedding. was intimate with Brimer until her death in 1823. Recollect when Brimer returned from the
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war and was always regarded as a revolutionary soldier. His character good. Heard old soldiers say B. was with them in the war. His widow is a last of truth & veracity and still remains a widow.
 (Certified credible.)

John B. Paygn 55 years old 
Margaret 
Paygn 87 years old}

John has been intimate with them from earliest recollection. Brimer reputed a rev. soldier. Margaret says they were married in 1780 two years before she was.__ was intimate with them. Staid with Mrs. B. while Mr. B. was about with army. he returned in 1783__B. died in 1823.-__Both of them strict members of Baptist Church __   (Certified credible) 

Margaret Paygn 2. affidavit Jany 26. 1853}
Knows that Brimer was a soldier in Rev. War as well as she could know any thing she never saw. Frequently heard him say he served with the army from N. Carolina. Staid with Mrs B. at one time when B. went to N.C. to receive his pay. B. brought his money home on specie. Deponent was married when between 17 & 18__and B. was married about 2 years before.
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Elias & Joel Davis aged 51 & 53 years Dec 1851}
Knew Joseph & Celia Brimer from childhood.  they were exemplary members of Baptist Church__ Joseph was reputed a revolutionary soldier and respected as such - he died in 1823 (Certified credible) 

John Cain, Sr, 73 years old Jany 25 1853}
 Deponent was born in N. Carolina & moved with parents to S.C. in same neighborhood with Joseph & Celia Brimer. - Deponent has frequently heard old persons say that Brimer served with the Army from N. Carolina, and he is confident he did to serve. When others would speak of their depreciated pay-- Brimer would always praise up North Carolina & say that if they paid him but little, they paid it in sound currency.

James L. Orr M.C}
certifies that the statutes of S.C. never required my record of marriage to be kept.

State Compt of N.C.}
certifies that Joseph Brimmer received Specie Certificates for $19.06___$47.56 
=7 mos. + 4 ds. service
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State of North Carolina Comptroller's Office 
I, William J. Clark, Comptroller of Public Accounts in and for the State aforesaid, do hereby certify that it appears of record in my office, among the payments made by said State to sundry persons for Military services in the Revolutionary War, as follows, to wit;  Indent or army certificate No. 845 issued by auditors of the Counties of Washington & Sullivan to Joseph Brymer for £13 S19 Specie - 
J. Brimer 
Book G. Ao. 18 page 21 £4 S7  Db. specie} 7 mo. private
,, ____,,  26.  ,,  25 __S14   ''
In testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed my seal of office this 26th day of January 1853.
Wm J. Clarke Compt'r.
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Washington D. C. Feb 17. 1853 
Hon James E. Heath 
Commissioner of Pensions ⎬ 

Sir,
I send herewith additional evidence in support of the claim of Celia Brymer widow of Joseph Brymer for a Pension under the Act of July 4, 1836.

The Comptrollers certificate required by your letter of April 20. 1852 is enclosed and to identify the husband of the claimant with the soldier mentioned in said certificate I send an affidavit from Margaret Paygn testifying that she has frequently heard Joseph Brymer state that he served in the North Carolina Troops, that she staid with Mrs Brymer while her husband went to North Carolina to draw his pay, and that the money brought home by him was specie.-- John Cain testifies that he has frequently heard soldiers of the Revolution speak of Joseph Brymer having served in the war of the Revolution from North Carolina and that Joseph Brymer has frequently stated that the money he received as pay for his services was in Specie.
In consequence of the soldier having been dead nearly thirty years leaving no records or papers showing who served with him and having removed several times since her marriage, the widow is unable to give any information that will enable me to find a surviving comrade of the soldier.
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and procure direct evidence of the service, but I would respectfully submit that the service claimed is proven by much collateral evidence that could not have existed unless the soldier performed the service paid for by the State of North Carolina, referred to the Comptrollers certificate, and that in accordance with the decision of the Secretary of the Interior in reference to the claim of Rhoda O'Quin dated Sept 13. 1850, is sufficient to establish the service-

I forward also evidence showing the impossibility of obtaining a public or private record of the marriage. The Hon James L. Orr the present representative from Anderson Dist. S.C. where Mr and Mrs Brymer were were married certifies that no public records of marriages are kept in his State. The claimant testifies that her family record has been lost, and other evidence of the marriage having taken place before the soldier left the service is forwarded.
 
There is now on file the testimony of Margaret Paygn whose credibility is fully certified to who states positively that the parties were married in 1780. knowing this from the fact that it was about two years previous to her own and she swears that Mr Brymer left home for the purpose of joining the army after his marriage, the witness having remained a short time with his wife during this period. Gilbert Hays now aged 93 years also swears positively that the marriage was before[crossed out] in 1780 
Very respectfully Chas. C. Tucker
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Washington D.C. July 23 1853. 

Hon Loren P. Waldo 
Commissioner of Pensions 
Sir,
I have received the letter from your office of the 21st inst informing that a further examination of the claim of Celia Brymer under the act of July 4, 1836, having been made it will, if desired be admitted under the Act of July 7. 1838. 
As Atty for Mrs Brymen consent for her to receive a pension under the latter act and request that the certificate may be forwarded me at an early day 
Very respectfully 
Your Obt Servt. 
Chas C Tucker
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Celia Brimer

by appeal

Geo
1836.
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                                       Pension Office 
                                      July 18, 1853  

In my opinion the parole testimony would warrant the belief that the parties were named prior to 1794. The main question is, herein, does the certificate of the Comptroller of N.C. filed in pursuance of the requests of the office & the letter addressed to Jn. Tucker on 20 April 1852, embrace the service of the husband of claimant? Her County of Washington and Sullivan, N.C. has no geographical connection with Abbeville District, S.C when Brimmer resided when he entered the service__ but from the anecdotes of the campaign in the South in 1780 and 1781, it is not improbable  that the company to which B served was commanded by officers who stayed in one of those counties. 12 more men were served in N.C. in 1781 + 1782, and the payments in
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[?] by the Comptroller's certificate asserts a little more than 7 months serv.
cash one year[crossed out] service[crossed out]

Celia Brimer,
Ga appeal

Geo
1836
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13. Washington D.C. 
June 27, 1853 

Chas. C. Tucker 
Relative to the claim of Celia Brymer alias Brimer Widow of Joseph under act of July 4 1836, appeals from decision Commission.

Respectfully referred to the Commissioner of Pensions for Report 
Dept. Clerk 
June 28/53} [illegible] Chf. Clke. 

Niles 

[illegible] 
28 June 1853
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Washington D.C. June 27. 1853.

Hon. R. McClelland 
Secretary of the Interior 

Sir, 
I have received from the Commissioner of Pensions a letter in reference to the Pension Claim of Celia Brymer alias Brimer, widow of Joseph under the Act of July 4, 1836, of which the following is a Copy. 
    
"The Certificate of the Comptroller of North Carolina "showing service by Joseph Brimer and J. Brimer has been "examined and filed with the papers of Celia Brimer, widow "of Joseph of Georgia. The indents[crossed out] certificate shows that the "Indents were issued by the Auditors of Washington and Sullivan "Counties N.C. It does not seem that the husband of the "applicant ever lived in North Carolina at all. This soldier "must have been another man than the husband of Celia." 
From this decision of the Sec[crossed out]Commissioner of Pensions I would respectfully appeal. 

    The Claim originally filed in December 1851. claimed for services in the North Carolina Militia. The widow stating that although the soldier lived in South Carolina he served in the North Carolina troops, and the Commissioner of Pensions by a letter dated April 20. 1852 required record evidence of the service from the books of the Comptroller or Secy of State of North Carolina. In pursuance of this
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requirement the certificate above referred to was obtained and filed. 
      I presume that it is admitted that the husband of the claimant was a soldier of the Revolution and was know both as Brymer and Brimer, (both being pronounced alike), these facts being fully shown by the evidence accompanying the declaration and in proof that the soldier was in the North Carolina service. Margaret Paygn testifies that she frequently saw the Soldier when he left the service for the purpose of visiting his family, frequently heard him say that he served in North Carolina, and remembers distinctly that he brought home his pay in specie (which the soldier named in the Certificate was paid in.) and John Cain testifies that he frequently heard the soldier say that he served in North Carolina. that when others who had served in South Carolina spoke before him of the depreciation of the money in which they were paid he would speak in terms of praise of North Carolina, and say that if he received but little it was in specie -
I would respectfully submit that the service claimed is proved by collateral evidence that could not have existed unless the soldier performed the service referred to in the Comptrollers certificate.- 
Very respectfully 
Your Obt Servt. 
Chas. C. Tucker.- 
Atty for Celia Brymer
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Revolutionary Pension Claim 

Mrs Celia Brymer or Brimmer 
widow of J Brymer 

Additional evidence 

Chas C. Tucker 
Atty 
Washington D.C.
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State of Georgia} SS.
Hall County}

On this the fifth day of March, in the year of our Lord, One thousand Eight hundred and fifty two, personally appeared before me, James Roberts one of the Judges of the Inferior Court within and for the County and State aforesaid: Gilbert Hayes, a resident citizen of Gilmer County in the State aforesaid, aged ninety two years, who being first duly sworn according to Law, deposeth and saith, that according to the best record he has of his age he is ninety two years of age, and has been informed by his parents, that he was born in the State of North Carolina, Burke County, that his parents while he was a small boy moved to Spartanburgh District in the State of South Carolina. They then removed to Abbeville District in South Carolina in the immediate neighborhood of where J. Brymer sometimes called, Brimmer formerly had resided, and it was said that he was then absent from home and in the Revolutionary army, he would return home at times on furlow, when this deponent became acquainted with him the said Brymer or Brimmer, and that Miss Celia Heard lived in the same settlement, where deponent then resided with his parents, that said Joseph Brymer or Brimmer, and Celia Heard was married, in the winter or spring of 1780 and why he recollects that to be the time is because, his parents moved in that District in the fall of (1779.) and the marriage of J. Brymer and Miss Celia Heard took place the winter or spring thereafter, by Esqr. Moore of Abbeville District in said State of South Carolina, that Deponent was not present at the marriage but saw J. Brymer the day previous to his marriage and he
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told him deponent, that he was going to marry Celia Heard, that deponent, was at the Infare the day after the marriage, when they both told him they was married, that deponent has frequently heard of Esqr. Moore, Solemnizing marriage contracts and never heard of his authority being questioned. That after the close of the war, J. Brymer and wife Celia Brymer moved to Pendleton District (now Anderson District), South Carolina, deponent also moved to the same settlement, where Brymer & wife Celia resided, that them and deponent lived in the same settlement, and upon the most intimate terms, up to the time of the death of the said J. Brymer, which occured in the month of September A.D. 1823. On Chandley Creek in Hall County State of Georgia, at which place Brymer and his family, and deponent and his family had been for sometime residing, that he was in the habit of constant social intercourse with him and his whole family. That deponent recollects, when said J. Brymer or Brimmer, returned from the army of the Revolutionary war, and the said Brymer was ever after invariably looked upon as having been a soldier of the Revolutionary war, that his character for veracity and general respectability was as fair as that of any man in his vicinity, and deponent has time after time, heard him relate his Revolutionary services, and relate the incidence of the Battles he was in, has frequently heard old men who were undoubted soldiers of the Revolution, talk of having personally known Brymer in said war. Mrs. Celia Brymer widow of said Brymer still resides in Hall County State of Georgia (in the settlement of where deponent is now on a visit) and that she is
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still a widow, and has never married since the death of her husband J. Brymer, that she is a woman of respectability truth and varacity and has at all times, sustained an unblemished Character. The name has always been indifferently known as Brymer or Brimmer. That deponent resided in Hall County Georgia untill a few years since, when he removed to Gilmer County State of Georgia where he now resides, but frequently visits his connections and friends in Hall County, where he spends a portion of his time. That the said Joseph Brymer or Brimmer and wife Celia Brymer, lived together as man and wife, and raised a family of children together as such, and was at all times looked upon as man and wife up to the time of the death of the said Brymer 
Gilbert hisXmark Hayes --- 

Sworn to and subscribed before me, the day and year first above written. And I hereby certify, that Gilbert Hays of Gilmer County, has been for many years, well known to me, that he resided in Hall County in the immediate vicinity of where I live, and I have frequently been in the settlement of where he resides in Gilmer County, that he has at all times, sustained the character of a man of respectability truth and varacity, and to whose testimony full faith and credit is due and should be given.
James Roberts J.J.C. 

I certify that the word ,Court, on the first page was inter lined previous to administering the oath 
J. Robert J.J.C.
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State of Georgia} SS
Hall County}

I, William Sitton Clerk of the Superior Court in & for the County and State aforesaid the same being a Court of Record having general jurisdiction, do hereby certify that James Roberts is and was at the date of the foregoing a Justice of the Inferior Court in and for said County and State duly commissioned & qualified and legally authorized to administer oaths and that his written Signature to the foregoing affadavit is genuine 
Given under my hand and Seal of Office on this 15th day of March 1832 
William Sitton, Clerk