Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 16420, Ambros Hoffman, Va.
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Service^ Va. Hoffman, Ambros ^ Number S16420
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Kentucky. 4741
Ambrose Hoffman
County, Barren in the state of Ky who was a Mm [Militia man] in the company commanded by Captain Gaither of the regiment commanded by Captain Posey of the Regt commanded by Col. Davis in the VA line for 18 months from 1780.
Inscribed on the Roll of Kentucky at the rate of 60 Dollars – Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831. 
Certificate of Pension issued the 28th day of Jan: 33, and sent to Hon. C Tompkins, House of Reps.
Arrears to 4th of Sept: 1832.  [$] 90-
Semi and allowance ending 25 Mar: 33  [$] 30
$120-
{Revolutionary Claim}
{Act June 7, 1832.}
Recorded by Nathan Rice Clerk,
Book D Vol. 9 Page 43
[Written on left side] Date of death not in [initials]
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Ambrose Hoffman
From 1780 for 
18 months, 
$60
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BRIEF in the case of Ambrose Hoffman
County of Barren in the State of Kentucky
(Act 7th June, 1832.)
1.	Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge?  Court
2.	If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity? __
3.	How old is he? 78
4.	State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 
[Column headings: Period, Duration of Service, Rank, Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.]
Drafted In 1780 1st July | ^years, 1 ^months 6 ^days - | ^As a private | ^Gen. Capt. Posey, 1st Va regmt, Col Campbell, Capt. Morgan, Col. Samuel Davis, Gen. Greene, Col. Ford. 
5.	In what battles was he engaged? Guilford Ct. House, Gamden
6.	Where did he reside when he entered the service? Culpepper City. Va.
7.	In his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditionary
On roll
8.	Are the paper defective as to form or authentication? And if so, in what respect? Correct
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned. 
	F. Waugh  Examining Clerk.
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State of Kentucky Barren County Sct.
On this 17th day of September 1832 Personally appeared in Open Court before Benjamin Monroe Presiding Judge of the Barren Circuit Court now sitting Ambrose Huffman (Senior) Resident of the County of Barren & State of Kentucky aged 78 years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832
That he entered the service of the United States on the first day of July 1780 as a drafted Militia man and that he served 18 months he entered the service under Captain Posey in the first Virginia Regiment under Colonel Campbell he also served in Col Samuel Davis Regiment or he had the command of us whilst we were in the winter quarters at Chesterfield Court House in the State of Virginia. We marched from Chesterfield field Court house under Capt Morgan and Col. Campbell commanded the regiment we marched through part of Virginia to join the Army Commanded by General Nathaniel Green before before we arrived at Hillsborough ^we joined that army and that he was in the Battle of Guilford Court house on the 15th March 1781 and from there we marched to Camden and he was in that Battle ^of Camden
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in which he was wounded in the left arm that he Served with Col Fords Regiment from Maryland and after the Battle of Camden he was sent to a little town called Charlotte in North Carolina. There he remained until his wound got well he was sent from there to Salisbury to assist in making Cartridges where he remained until the 1st January 1782 when he was discharged that he received his received his discharge from Major Wigington that it was signed by him that he resided in Culpepper County State of Virginia at the time he entered the Service of the United States that he continued to reside there until 1797 when he removed to the State of Kentucky where he has resided ever since and that he has no documentary Evidence by which he can prove his service he left his discharge with William Walton in the state of Virginia and he does not know what has become of it and that he has been informed that Walton is dead and that there is no person who by which he can prove his service known on to him at this time. And he hereby relinquishes every claim to a pension or annuity except the present & declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the other agency of any state or territory sworn to and subscribed the day & year aforesaid. 
S Ambrose Hoffman
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[Letter]
							July 14, 1932
							BA-J/AWF
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							Ambros Hoffman
Memorial Branch					S. 16420
Office of the Q. M. General
War Department
Washington, D.C.
Gentleman:
	Reference is made to your request for data relative to Ambrose Hoffman, a Revolutionary War pensioner.
	The data contained herein were obtained from the papers on file in pension claim, S. 16420, based upon the Revolutionary War service of Ambros or Ambrose Hoffman.
	His date and place of birth are not given.
	He enlisted, while residing in Culpeper County, Virginia, July 1, 1780 and served as a private under Captains Posey and Morgan, Colonels Campbell and Samuel Davis, in the Virginia troops, he was in the battles of Guilford Court House and Gamden, where he was wounded in the left arm, and was discharged January 1, 1782.
	He was allowed pension on his application executed September 17, 1832, then aged seventy-eight years and a resident of Barren County, Kentucky. 
	The application for headstone for Ambrose Hoffman with all letters pertaining to same are returned herewith. 
					Very truly yours
					A.D. Hiller
					Assistant to Administrator
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Dec. 5, 1923-History to R.B.Pearce	
16420
Invalid.
File No. 16,420
Ambrose Hoffman
Pri Rev War
Act:  June 7” 32
Index: - Vol.  A, Page 181
[Arrangement of 1870.]
See 1st endorsement of opposite side.
1924 – Feb. 16 – R.B. Pearce advised how to obtain date of death [illegible]
1926 – Aug 26 – H [illegible] if as to learn to obtain last pay of ten [illegible]
Mr. G.R. Grimstead
1930 Sept. 29. Photos delivered
To A.A. Hoffman & fam. 
Div. [illegible]
1932 – July 14 – Tombstone date [illegible] Br
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of 
Ambrose Hoffman	which require further proof or explanation.
I.	Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? Yes
II.	Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? Yes
III.	If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? –
IV.	Has the declarant mentioned the period of periods of the war when he served? Yes
V.	Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? Yes
VI.	He as given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? Yes
VII.	Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? Yes
VIII.	Has the Court given their opinion? Yes
IX.	Has the Clerk given his certificate? Yes
X.	Is the Clerk’s seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? Yes
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XI.	Has the applicant obtained the evidence a clergyman and other respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? Yes
XII.	If the clergyman’s affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? –
XIII.	If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? Yes
XIV.	If the applicant has produced a witness as to his service, has the magistrate who administered the oath certified that he, she, or they are persons of credibility? –
Has the official character and signature of the magistrate been certified by the proper officer under his seal of office? –
XV.	Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have personal knowledge of the applicant’s service? –
XVI.	Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? Yes
XVII.	Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not answered? 1. 2. 7
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
Quere V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: 
“Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades: For –year—months and – days. I served as a --. For – months and –days, I served as a --; and for such service I claim a pension.”
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which the applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. 

QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which be belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office. 
QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticated the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the end of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
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[Letter]
[1st STAMP top right] OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER U.S. BUREAU OF PENSIONS – JAN 14 1924 [2nd STAMP top right] DISBURSING CLERK * U.S. BUREAU OF PENSIONS – JAN 17 1924 – MISC.
United States Post Office
			White Hall, Illinois, Jan. 12, 1924.
Department of the Interior, 
Bureau of Pensions, 
Washington, D. C.
Gentleman:
	With further reference to one Ambrose Hoffman, Revolutionary War Pension Claim S16420, will you please advise the time and the place of the last payment of pension to Ambrose Hoffman. 
Yours very truly, 
R. B. Pearce, 
Postmaster.
1/17/24
Not found in the Disbursing Division Index [initials]
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1427 Chapin St. NW
Washington DC
Aug. 25 ‘25
Commission of Pensions
Washington DC
Department of Revolutionary Soldiers: 
This morning I talked over the phone to someone in the Revolutionary War department in regard to a Revolutionary pensioner name Ambrose Hoffman of Barren County Ky. And was told to write my request in and information would be given. 
Please send the following information to
Mr. G.R. Grinstead
Falls City 
Nebraska.
(A)	1. What was the service of Ambrose Hoffman.
2. When was he born, where?
3. When did he die, where?
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	4. When did he begin to get a pension as a Revolutionary soldier?
	5. What amount per month did he get?
	6. Did he leave a widow and did she get a pension?
(B)	Please answer these same questions about William Grinstead, a soldier of the Revolution from Richmond Va. (the grandfather of G.R. Grinstead) Give name of his widow and how long she received the ^widows pension.
	He died in Barren Co. Ky in 1840 something.
	Thank you very very much
	Very Sincerely 
(Mrs) Minnie Grinstead Himes
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[Stamp top center] U.S. PENSION OFFICE JUL 6 1925
[Handwritten letter]

		1427 Chapin St NW
		Washington DC 7-6-25
The Commissioner of Pensions
Washington DC
My dear Sir:
I wish to know if a Mr Ambrose Huffman (or Hoffman) was a Revolutionary War soldier He died a good many years ago in Barren or Metcalfe Co. Ky. At the time of his death his post office was either Summer Shade Ky or Glasgow Ky. I think he moved from Penn. To Ky and he may have been in a Penn company. 
I do not know any more about him or his service. The main thing I wish to find out is if he was in the Revolutionary War and the service if possible. If he was pensioned as a Revolutionary soldier your records would show his name and service. Thank you
Very sincerely
(Mrs) Mimmie G Himes
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[Letter]
	United States Post Office
			White Hall, Illinois,
			November 29th, 1923.
Bureau of Pensions, 
	Washington, D. C.
Gentlemen:
	It is desired to have the pension record of one Ambrose Hoffman, a veteran of the Revolutionary War, and your report will be appreciated. There is nothing available here to indicate even partially the command or commands under which he served. 
		Yours very truly, 
		R. B. Pearce, 
		Postmaster
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From to by all
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State of Ky Barren County Sct
Mr Sylvanus M Bagby, a clergyman Resident of the County of Barren and Joshua Barlow residing in the same County hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Ambrose Hoffman for who has subscribed [illegible] to this written declaration that we believe him to be 78 years of age that he is refuted the license in the high born [illegible] where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in the above opinion [illegible] to and subscribed this day [illegible] aforesaid 
		Sylvanus M Bagby
		Joshua Barlow
And this said court certify as their opinion from the declaration and affidavits aforesaid that said Huffman served as in his declaration states and that the said Bagby & Barlow this [illegible] are men entitled to credit on Oath all of which is certified to the department of War of the United States. 
	I Richard Garnett clerk of the court for the County & Circuit of Barren in the State of Kentucky, Certify that this foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of Ambrose Huffman for a pension. 
In testimony whereof shown hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 17th day of September 1832. 
				Richard Garnett [illegible]
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				September 22, 1930.
Rev. &1812 Wars Section.
Bureau of Pensions. 			541
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Rev. War claim for pension of Ambros
Hoffman, File No. S.16420. 			Actual 		1 of each page


					30 ₵…………..2 pages
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	Kindly leave margin of 1 ½  
in. at top of each page and return papers
in each case in folder with corresponding
name and number. 					
Chief, Rev.&1812 Wars Section.
	The word “omit” written in pencil
On those pages which are not
To be copied.
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				September 22, 1930
Commissioner of Pensions
	Please furnish me photostatic copies (uncertified) of two pages from the Revolutionary War pension claim of Ambros Hoffman, S. 16520. 
[Stamp middle right] 
Cash – 30 cents
FINANCE DIVISION 
BOOK-KEEPERS DESK
SEP 24 1930
BUREAU OF PENSIONS
Remitted:
A. A. Hoffman
Box 4903
Clarendon VA
Received payment
30 cents
Antonia W. Ford
Rev. & 1812 Wars Section.
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				February 16, 1924
R.B. Pearce
White Hall, Ill.
Sir: 
	I have to advise you relative to the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 16420 of Ambros or Ambrose Hoffman, that in order to obtain the date of last payment of pension, name of person paid and possibly the date of death, you should apply to the Pension Section, Civil Division, General Accounting Office, 1800 E St., N.W. Washington, D.C. citing all of the following data:
“Ambrose Hoffman, Certificate No. 4741, issued January 28, 1833, rate $ 60 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of June 7, 1832, Kentucky Agency”. 
			Respectfully, 
			Commissioner.
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Rev. & 1812 Wars Section
						December 5, 1923
Mr. R. B. Pearce, 
White Hall, Ill. 
Sir: 
	I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim S.16520, it appears that Ambrose Hoffman, while living in Culpepper County, Virginia, entered the service July 1, 1780 and served as a private under Captains Posey and Morgan and Colonels Campbell and Samuel Davis, in the Virginia Troops, was in the battles of Guilford and Camden, where he was wounded in the left arm, and was discharged January 1, 1782. 
	He was allowed pension on his application executed September 17, 1832, at which time he was seventy-eight years old and a resident of Barren County, Kentucky.
	There is no data on file as to his family. 
				Respectfully, 
					Commissioner.
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				August 26, 1985.
Mr. G. R. Grimstead
Falls City, 
Nebr.
Sir:
	I have to advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 16420, it appears that Ambrose Hoffman, whose date and place of birth are not given, while residing in Culpeper County, Virginia, entered the service July 1, 1780 and served as a private under Captains Posey and Morgan and Colonels Campbell and Samuel Davis, he was in the battles of Guilford and Camden, where wounded in the left arm, and was discharged January 1, 1782.
	He was allowed pension on his application executed September 17, 1832, while a resident of Barren County, Kentucky, aged seventy-eight years. 
	There is [crossed out] are no data [crossed out] as to his family. In order to obtain the date of last payment
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of pension, name of person paid and possibly the date of death of the Revolutionary War pensioner, Ambrose Hoffman (S. 16420), you should apply to the Pension Section, Civil Division, General Accounting Office, 1800 E St. N. W., Washington, D. C., citing all of the following data- Ambrose Hoffman, Certificate No. 4741, issued January 28, 1833, rate $60 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of June 7, 1832, Kentucky Agency. 
			Respectfully, 
				WINFIELD SCOTT
				Commissioner.
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THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES
Form VAM-51
12-5-41
Division of Veterans’ Administration Archives
BOUNTY LAND WARRANT RECORD CARD*
NAME  Hoffman, Andrew  GRADE Private  LINE  New York
WARRANT
NUMBER   7271	ACREAGE   	100	ISSUED  Dec. 11, 1780
				to Benjamin Brown, assignee
*The information concerning the issuance of warrants carded on this form is found in volumes 2 to 4 of “Land Warrants Issued Prior to 1800” which are registers of bounty land warrants issued to non-commissioned officers and privates under congressional resolutions of September 16, 1776, and subsequent dates. Other records relative to the applications for warrants appear to have been destroyed in the War Department fire of November 9, 1800. Information concerning warrants surrendered to the Federal Government is to be found in General Land Office records in The National Archives.