Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 42, for John Ramsey, North Carolina
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Date of death not on AB.
5730
Tennessee, Know
Elizabeth Ramsey
widow of John 
who served in the Revolutionay
war, as a Private N.C.
Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 
20 Dollars
Cents per annum, to commence on
the 4th day of March, 1848.
Certificate of Pension issued
day of Aug (illegible)
and sent to Hon A. G. (illegible)
Records and Roll of Pension (illegible)
February 2, 1848, Page 304 Vol. (illigibe)
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402
Elizabeth Ramsey
Ten.
Act of July 38
married 1790
husband died 16 Nov 1807
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Declaration
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th July 1838, entitled an act granting halfpay and pension to certain widows.
State of Tennessee
Monroe County
On the twenty third day of September, Eighteen hundred and forty four, personally appeared before this subscriber a Justice of the Peace in and for said County Elizabeth Ramsey a resident of the County and State aforesaid, aged Eighty seven years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on her oath, make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress passed July 7th 1838, entitled an Act granting half pay and pensions to certain widows. That she is the widow of John Ramsey Decd who died on the 16th November 1807, and was a private soldier in the War of the Revolution, was drafted in Iredell County N. Carolina, and served N. Carolina, and was in the Battle at Ramsours under the command of Genl Davidson, where he was wounded by a shot in his knee, and after his recovery from the said wound he served another three months tour in South Carolina some time in the year 1781, ant that she was married to the said John Ramsey in Iredell County N Carolina widowed and still remains his widow. She further declares that she has no documentary of her marriage that she knows of, except the family  record, which shows that her eldest daughter Mary was born on the 19th June 1791, and that she knows of no living witness at this time by whom she can prove her marriage, but that she was not married to him prior to his leaving the service, but that the marriage took place previous to the first of January seventeen hundred and ninety four, to wit, at the time above mentioned, and she further declares that she has not married since the death
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of the aforesaid John Ramsey, but is still his widow
Elizabeth Ramsey (her mark)
Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year above written before an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said County. And I further Certify that the said Elizabeth Ramsey  is from bodily infirmity and old age unable to attend Court.
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 23rd day of Sept 1844.
John Rodger
Justice of the Peace
State of Tennessee
Monroe County
Personally appeared before me James Sewall a Justice of the Peace for said County, Elizabeth Gamble and made oath according to law that she has been well acquainted with John Ramsey and Elizabeth Ramsey named in the foregoing declaration,  both before and since her marriage, and that they have lived together as husband and wife ever since until his death, and recollected to have seen him soon after he returned from the Battle of Ramsours and has often seen his wound dressed and recollects well at one time to have  seen a skein of silk drawn through the wound to cleanse it and she further states that after his recovery, he returned to the army again within about twelve months after he received the wound, and she further states that she believes the marriage took place as stated in the foregoing declaration, and that the legality of the marriage has never been disputed in the neighborhood in which she resides
Sworn to and subscribed, 25th Seot 1844
Elizabeth Gamble (her mark)
State of Tennessee
Monroe County
I James Sewall a Justice of the Peace for said county do hereby certify that I have been personally acquainted
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with Elizabeth Gamble whose name appears to the foregoing affidavit and do believe her to be a respectable person and or Lady of undoubted veracity and that credit should be given to any statements made by her in said affidavit.
Given under my hand this 25th day of September 1844.
James Sewell  {SEAL}
Justice of the Peace

State of Tennessee
Monroe County 
Personally appeared before me John Rogers
an acting Justice of the Peace for said County, John Ramsey, and made oath according to law that the family record attached to Mrs Elizabeth Ramsey declaration has been kept in her possession ever since the death of her husband John Ramsey, and I believe it to be in his own hand writing - Sworn to and subscribed this 25th day of September 1844.
John Rogers {SEAL}
 John Ramsey

State of Tennessee 
Monroe County  -illegible- 1844 County Court

The Declaration of Elizabeth Ramsey certified on the 23rd day September 1844 by John Rogers a justice of the peace, and Elizabeth Gamble's affidavit on the 25th day of Sept. 1844 by James Sewell, a justice of the peace for said county, being submitted to the Court, the said Court doth approve their proceedings and acts in said case, and hereby direct the Clerk to endorse the approval on the papers. 

John Carson.     {SEAL}
-illegible-           {SEAL}
Thomas Barrett {SEAL}
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State of Tennessee
Monroe County 
 I, {John A Stephens}, Clerk of the County Court of Monroe County do hereby certify that the foregoing proceedings are the original proceedings had and approved of by the County Court of Monroe County at its October Term 1844 relative to the declaration of Elizabeth Ramsey to obtain the benefit of the Acts of Congress relative to Revolutionary pensions. And I further certify that the aforesaid John Rogers and James Sewell are and were acting Justices of the Peace in and for said County, duly commissioned and qualified according to law, and that the signatures pertaining be theirs are genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my Seal of Office at Office this 7th day of October 1844.
  John A Stephens Clerk 

State of Tennessee
Monroe County
   I John Carson of Monroe County, do certify that {John A Stephens} whose name appears to the foregoing certificate is and was at the time it bears date, Clerk of the County Court of Monroe County duly elected and commissioned according to law - and due credit should be given to his official acts as such - 
Given under my hand and Seal this 7th day of October 1844.

John Carson {SEAL}
Chairman of Monroe County
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State of Tennessee
Greene County              
Personally appeared before me, John McBride a Justice of the Peace 
in and for said county, William McBride and made oath in due form of law that he was present and saw John Ramsey and Elizabeth Ramsey married in Iredell County N.Carolina
and that he believes the marriage took place in the year 1790, for the reason that he knows he was bound as an apprentice to the Saddler's Trade at the age of sixteen years and that the family Register shows that he was born the 5th of February 1777, and that upon entering his apprenticeship at the age of sixteen which would have been in the year 1793, and he further states that Elizabeth Ramsey, being his mother, that he resided with her at the time of the said marriage, and that he recollects well that when he entered his apprenticeship as above stated that their eldest daughter (Mary) was about two years old, and he further states that he remembers well that the said John Ramsey and Elizabeth, both signed the Indentures binding him to said trade the 1st of March 1793, and after the expiration of his said apprenticeship, he returned home and resided in the family again for several years, and since they came to Tennessee, he has still been acquainted with them, and that she has remained a widow ever since the death of her husband the aforesaid John Ramsey -

   Sworn to and Subscribed before me this 12th day of January 1846.   William McBride

JMcBride
Justice of the Peace 

State of Tennessee 
Greene County
I, John McBride, a Justice of the Peace for said county do hereby certify that I am well acquainted with William McBride, whose name appears to the above affidavit and believe him to be a respectable citizen of said county & gentleman of undoubted veracity.

January 12th 1846
JMcBride
Justice of the Peace
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State of Tennessee_Greene County_
I George W. Foute of the County Court in and for the County and State aforesaid, certify that John McBride, Esq. whose signature appears to the within certificate, is and was an acting Justice of the Peace at the date thereof, duly elected, commissioned and qualified as such, in and for said County - and that his signature to said certificate is genuine - 
Given under my hand and seal of Office, at Office in Greeneville the 12th day of January, 1846.

Geo.W.Foute
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 Sevierville Ten. 12th January 1846

Sir - 
       On the opposite page you have the affidavit 
of (illegible)Wm.McBride, relative to Mrs. Elizabeth Ramsey's case for a pension which I hope will prove satisfactory.  
I have written to the Clerk of Iredell County, North Carolina, and was answered that the Office had been so badly kept before he came into the office that it is out of his power to find any thing of the kind at so early a date as 1790. 

Yours with respect 
Richard Lanning

JL edwards Esq.
Washington City
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Sevierville, Ten. May 10th 1845

OL Edwards Esqr.
  Sir - 
In the case of Elizabeth Ramsey, widow of John Ramsey, you have enclosed a certificate from
the Comptroller of N.C. which I hope will prove
satisfying in her case - 
   You say in your communication of the 28th
November last that "The paper purporting to be a family record is not decyphered (sic.)"
By comparing the amended copy pf the original record with the one complained of, I believe it could be easily decyphered (sic.)

 Mary Ramsey (Eldest Daughter) born 14th June 1791
 Martha Ramsey born 2nd December  1793
John Ramsey was born the 5th day of May 1797
Nancy Ramsey was born the 20th August 1800 

You have enclosed also another certificate from the Comptroller of N.C. in favor of Mary Cooper, widow of Alexander Cooper, All of which is submitted to your consideration. 

I am very Respectfully your Obt. Servant
Richard Lanning
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June 28, 1938

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Mr. James G. Cary                                                          JOHN RAMSEY
P.O. Box 142                                                                      W. 42
South Side Station                                                         BA-J/MLB
Springfield, Missouri


Dear Sir:

You are furnished herein the record of John Ramsey (whose name appears also Ramsay) as found in the papers on file in pension claim, W. 42, based upon his service in the Revolutionary War.

The date and place of birth and name of the parents of John Ramsey are not shown.

John Ramsey enlisted in Iredell County, North Carolina, sometime in 1780, served a tour of three months as private in Captain Falls' company, in the North Carolina troops, and was in the battle of Ramsour's Mill in which he was wounded in his knee by a shot.  After recovery from his injury, he again enlisted about a year after, or in 1780, and served a tour of three months in South Carolina, names of officers or other details not given.

The soldier married June 3, 1790, in in Iredell County, North Carolina, Mrs. Elizabeth McBride.  The date and place of her birth, names of parents, maiden name or given name of her former husband not shown.  John Ramsey died November 16, 1807.

Elizabeth Ramsey, soldier's widow, was allowed pension on her application executed September 23, 1844, at which time she was aged eighty-seven years and a resident of Monroe County, Tennessee, where she was still living in 1851.

The only child of Elizabeth Ramsey by a former marriage, whose name was designated in the claim, was a son, William McBride, who was born February 5, 1777, and at the age of sixteen years while living with his mother, bound himself as an apprentice to the saddler's trade, upon completion of which he returned home and was living there when his mother married John Ramsey.  In 1846, William McBride was a resident
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of Greene County, Tennessee, and made affidavit before one John McBride, Justice of the Peace for that county.  The relationship between William and John McBride was not stated.

Reference was made to children of John Ramsey and his wife, Elizabeth, named as follows:

Mary       Ramsey, eldest daughter,  born June             14, 1791
Martha       "                                                     "    December  26, 1793
John           "                                                      "   May                 5,  1797
Nancy        "                                                      "    August         20, 1800

In 1844, one John Ramsey made affidavit in Monroe County, Tennessee, in behalf of Elizabeth Ramsey, but his relationship to her was not shwon.  

It is suggested that information in regard to the McBrides might be obtained from the Clerk of the County Court of Iredell County, North Carolina, or Monroe County, Tennessee.  There is no claim for pension or bounty land on file which was made to the United States based upon service of a McBride who could have been the former husband of Elizabeth Ramsey.

In order to obtain date of last payment of pension, the name and address of the person paid and possibly the date of death of Elizabeth Ramsey, widow of John, you should write to the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city, and cite the following data:  Elizabeth Ramsey, widow of John, certificate # 5730, issued August 6, 1851, rate $20 per annum, commenced March 4, 1848, Act February 2, 1848, Tennessee (Knoxville) Agency.

Very truly yours

A. D. Hiller
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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Jany - 11- 1901

Mrs.  Sophie B Reid
Jackson, Tenn

1907 Oct. 30.  Hist. to Mrs. Sue M. M. Hotchkiss    C.
1913  Dec. 1.     "       "   Mary V. Clark.   &
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1914,  Feb. 28.  Hist. to Mrs Gertrude B Snipes
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1914   Apl.13.  to G. C. Cary.  &
1925   Aug 25 - Hist to Mrs. J. M. Holloway    awf.
1927   Aug 24 -    "     "   Meddie M. [Mass?]     awf.
See letter in Jesse Spencer  875
1929. Jan. 25 - Hist. to J. G. [Car?]    [awf?]
1938  June 28 - Hist. to J. G. Cary -  [M?]

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[handwritten] 42 [/handwritten]
[handwritten] Revy [/handwritten]  WIDOW, &c.

File No.  [handwritten] 42 
Elizabeth Ramsey
Widow
John Ramsey
Priv Rev. War  [/handwritten]
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Act:  [handwritten]  Feb 2 1828 [/handwritten]

Index:---Vol. [illegible], Page [handwritten] 148 [/handwritten]

[Arrangement o 1870.]
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Rev. and 1812
War Section.

August 25, 1925

Mrs. J.M. Holloway
1411 Duncan Ave
Chattanooga, Tenn.

Madam:
I have to advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pensions claim, W. 43, it appears that John Ramsey enlisted in Irddell County, North Carolina in 1780 and served three months in Captain Falls’ North Carolina Company, and was at battle of Ramsour’s Mill, where wounded in the knee. 

He enlisted in 1781 and served three months, no officers stated.

He died November 16, 1807, place not stated, nor is his age on record.

Soldier married June 3, 1790 in Irddell County, North Carolina, Elizabeth (mother of William McBride, who was born February 5, 1777), her maiden name
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not stated. She was allowed pension on her application executed September 23, 1844 while a resident of Monroe County, Tennessee, aged eighty-seven years.

There children were —

Mary born June 14, 1791.
Martha       December 26, 1793.
John           May 5, 1797.
Nancy         August 20, 1800.

Respectfully, 

WINFIELD SCOTT
Commissioner.