Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 10,885, Peter Van Orden, New York
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(3-1776_

SERVICE   New York

Van Orden, Peter
or 
Van Order

NUMBER  R.10,885
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2987

Peter Van Orden
Application for a pension

on this application act
Amasa Mattoon

Cairo, N.Y.
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Declaration of Peter Van Orden in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress, passed since 7th 1832

State of New York
County of Greene ss. On this fifth day of September 1832 personally appeared in open court before the Judges of the court of common pleas of Greene County now sitting Peter Van Orden a resident of the town of Windham of the county and state aforesaid aged seventy one years who being duly sworn first according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832

That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers & served as herein stated that he was first enrolled in Captain David Abeel; Militia company the year 1777 and was called out the same year marched to Fort Edward when Burgoine was marching down Anthony Van Bergen was Colonel of his regiment and retreated with General Phillip Schuyler from Fort Edward to the plains of Saratoga and to Stillwater and he was present at the Battle between General Gates and General Burgoyne and he was taken sick a few days before Burgoyne surrendered and sent home that the whole time he served from the time he was called out till he was taken sick and sent home was two months That afterwards he was called out in the year 1778, in the summer of that year and marched to Schoharie where Peter Vrooman commanded as Colonel of the militia and served one month and was then discharged. and afterwards in the Autumn of the same year he was called out and marched to Schoharie again and served under Captain Nicholas Staats Colonel Butler who commanded the Continental
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troops at the middle fort where he this said deponent served one month and was then discharged  and that afterwards he served under Lieutenant Wessel Salisbury for eighteen days in keeping guard against the Indians in the Neighbourhood Catskill Mountains in the summer of the year seventeen hundred and seventy nine  That he served during the war as volunter in scouting parties at different times under Captain John Witbeck and Captain Benjamin Dubois, taken altogether the different times he served in the scouting parties amount to about two months that he also served under Lieutenant William Snyder for one week in the neighbourhood of Catskill Mountains The Colonel was Anthony Van Bergen who commanded at that time and also served one week under Lieutenant Richard Vandenbergh and marched to Albany and did duty as guard That he, further besides his above mentioned services hired on the 6th day of March 1779 an able bodied man as substitute to serve for him during the rest of the Revolutionary War (see the certificate hereunto annexed)  He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state.

Sworn to and Subscribed this day and year aforesaid in open court.

Peter Van Orden

William V B Heermance Clerk
We Caleb Haight and Daniel L Jones residing in the town of Windham and County & state aforesaid hereby certify that we are well acquainted with the above Peter Van Orden who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be seventy one years of age, that he is reputed and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion
Caleb Haight

Sworn and subscribed the day
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and year aforesaid in open court  Daniel S Jones

William V.B. Heermance Clerk

And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he stated and the Court further certifies that it appears to them that Caleb Haight and Daniel L Jones are residents in the town of Windham in said County and are credible persons and that their statements are entitled to credit

Darrance Kerllund
Presiding Judge of said court

I William V B Heermanse Clerk of the court of Common Pleas of the county of Greene do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of Peter Van Orden for a pension

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this fifth day of September one thousand eight hundred and thirty two.
William V.B. Hermance Clerk
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How were you called into service were you drafted, did you volunteer
He was enrrolled in the Militia was called out and volunteered inthe scouting parties
State the names of some of the regular officers who were with the troops where you served, and the general circumstances of your services
He knew that General Phillip Schuyler commanded the continental troops in the retreat from Fort Edward when Burgoyne came down and Colonel Anthony VanBergen of the militia, that general gates commanded at the Battle on Bemis Heights. That Colonel Pater Vrooman commanded the militia and Colonel Butler the continental Schoharie
Did you ever receive a discharge  He received no discharge
State the names of the persons to whom you are known in your present neighbourhood and who can testify as to your character for veracity and their belief of your services as a soldier of the revolution
This neighbours are Caleb Height Daniel S Jones, and he others Wessel Salisbury Barrent Dubois & Benjamin Van Orden
The Court do further certify that the above questions were put by the court and answered by the above mentioned applicant and that the certificate of hiring a substitute was hereto annexed by the said applicant before he was sworn and that the Wessel Salisbury Barrent Dubois & Benjamin Van Orden who have sworn & subscribed the affidavits hereto annexed are credible witnesses

Darrance Kirthanch
Presiding Judge of said Court
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Greene County Common Pleas and State of New York  Wessel Salisbury of the town of Platskill county and state aforesaid being duly sworn says he knows the foregoing Peter Van Orden to be a revolutionary soldier he knew the said Peter in the Revolutionary War that he commanded the said Peter as his Lieutenant in the summer of the year 1779 in guarding against the Indians in the neighborhood and the Catskill mountains for eighteen days and that the said Peter is a man truth and veracity

Wessell Salisbury
Sworn & subscribed in open court Sept 4th 1832
William V.B. Heermance Clerk

Green County Common
Pleas & State of New York ss Barrent Dubois of the town of Catskill and county & state aforesaid being duly sworn says he knew the foregoing Peter Van Orden in the Revolutionary War and has known him ever since that he knows said Peter served with him at Schoharie both times mentioned by the said Peter and the said [illegible] was berry [illegible] in the scouting parties in which they were engaged and that the said Peter is a man truth and veracity

Barent Dubois

Sworn & Subscribed in open court Sept 5th 1832

William V. B. Heermance Clerk

Greene County Common Pleas and State of New York  Benjamin Van Orden of the town of Coxsackie and county & state aforesaid Brother of the above applicant being duly sworn says he knows that his brother Peter Van Orden the above applicant served in the revolutionary war that he knows the said Peter was in the army under General Schuyler when it was retreating from Fort Edward at the time Burgoyne was coming
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down, and that he knows that the said Peter was in service at the battle on Bemis Heights and believes he was present at the battle and after the battle the said Peter returned home sick and that afterwards in the summer of the year 1778 he and the said Peter marched to Schoharie where they stayed one month and then returned home, That afterwards he knows the said Peter served from time to time as volunteer and that she said Peter is a man of truth and veracity
Benjamin Van Orden
Subscribed and sworn in open court Sept 5 1832
William V B Heermance clerk
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In the matter of an application of Peter Van Orden a revolutionary soldier
No 2,987
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State of New York
County of Greene
On this twenty second day of August 1834 personally appeared before me William Pierson a justice of the peace of the said county of Greene Peter Van Orden of the town of Windham in said county and state, aged 70 years who being first duly sworn according to law on his oath deposes and says that in the year 1777 he was enrolled in Capt David Abuls company was drafted & went in his company under his command to Fort Edward to oppose the army of Burgoyne and served as stated in the annexed declaration in said company for two months served & was discharged as stated in said declaration. Wm Snyder was first Lieutenant and John Norgram 2nd Lieutenant in said company Anthony Van Bergen was Col Cornelius Dubois Lieut Col & [illegible] Van Orden major of the regiment in which he served was New York militia cannot recollect the names of any other officers - nor the particular time when he entered the service or when he was discharged
That in the summer of 1778 precise time does not recollect was called out to Schoharie to defend against the Indians & tories was stationed at the Upper Fort commanded by Col Vroorman of the militia who commanded all the forces then at Schoharie at all three of the forts  cannot recollect the name of his Captain or any other officers as they were all strangers to him from a different part of the country. as he was enrolled in a company of militia at home & was drafted with some others of the company and marched to Schoharie 40 miles distant under the command of a sergeant served and month stationed at said fort & was there discharged by said Col. Commanding
In the fall of the same year was again drafted & was called out to Schoharie and stationed at the middle fort in a company of militia commanded by Capt Nicholar Straats. Col Butler of the continental line (he believes) then commanded at Schoharie were several hundred men under his command then & he believes some of
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them Continental troops. but how many or what numbers cannot state, while deponent was thereon the troops were reviewed by Gen Glover cannot recollect the names of any other officers. served at the time one month & even discharged cannot state the particular term
That in the summer of 1779 as the Indians had committed some depredation back of Catskill was called out to form a guard against them under the command of Lieutenant Wessel Salisbury the guard committed of 15 or 20 men and were stationed about eight miles back of Catskill served in this guard eighteen days when then being no immediate danger to be apprehended from the Indians was discharged
That in the course of the year previous, 1778 was called out to form a guard under the command of Lieut Salisbury to defend against the Indiains & tories was stationed immediately back of Catskill on the extremity of the [illegible] as a scout to roam the woods & guard against the Indians served one week & was discharged
That during the war as near as deponent can recollect about the year 1779 he was called out on a draft and marched to Albany under the command of Lieutenant Richard Vandebush with some 12 or 15 others & marched to Albany and stationed in a small fort back of the city under the command of said officer where he served for half a month & was discharged. cannot recollect the names of any other officers
That during the war he was enrolled in a company of militia and besides the serves herein before stated he was frequently called out in cases of alarm from the Indians & tories under the command of Capt John Witbeck & Capt Benjamin Dubois of the militia The country west of Catskill was then mostly unsettled & much infested by Indians and tories and many depredations were committed by them in the neighbourhood of Catskill so that during the war the habitation of the vicinity were kept almost continually in the state of alarm that deponent was frequently called out
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by his commanding officers in case of alarm & apprehended danger from the Indians & tories to kept guard at some particular place or to scour the woods & maintains back of Catskill in pursuit of Indians & torries or to make discoveries sometimes engaged several days on this service at other perhaps only a day or night: that deponent can not state the number of times he was so called out or the particular service but can & does positively swear that he was in the whole engaged on such services under his commanding officers. (besides the portion his services herein before stated) for two months
That deponent owing to old age & the consequent loss of memory cannot state circumstances or set forth particulars more definitely thinks stated herein before & that declaration hereto annexed. That he has no proof of his services & can obtain none to his knowledge & belief other that accompanying the said annexed declaration. That he actually served in the manner herein before stated seven months & ten days in the whole,
Peter Van Orden

Sworn & subscribed before me the undernamed justice the day & year aforesaid. And further certify that I have for more than twenty years been personally acquainted with the said deponent Peter Van Orden that his character now does stand & ever has stood high for strict integrity. truth & veracity and that his statements are entitled to the fullest credit
Wm Pierson Justice of the Peace

State of New York
Greene County ss I William V. B. Heermance Clerk of the said county do certify that William Pierson Esq. before whom the foregoing affiant was sworn was at the date of the same a Justice of the Peace of the said county and that his signature thereto is genuine
Witness my hand & seal of office this first day of Sept 1834.
William V.B. Heermance Clk
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Peter Van Orden
Act 1832  NY


F F C Triplett
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State of New York
County of Green

Be it known, that on this Twenty Fifth day of January A. D. 1858, before
me, the under-
signed, a Justice of the Peace, in and for the County and State aforesaid, personally appeared
David Van Orden
 
who was a Soldier in the war of the Revolution, and who has heretofore made application for the benefit of
the Pension Act of
That he is
directly interested as a claimant in said Pension, and makes this affidavit to be filed with such additional evidence or ar-
guments (18 my Agent may use in prosecuting said claim.
Countermanding and revoking all Powers of Attorney and authority heretofore giren, I hereby constitute and appoint SAMUEL M. KNIGHT, of
Washington City, my true and lawful Attorney to prosecute the claim of 6 e Peter Van Orden
for
any amount of Revolutionary Pension, or increase of Pension that may be due ; and I hereby authorize my said Attorney to examine all papers or doc-
uments in relation to said claim, on file in the Department at Washington City or elsewhere, to file additional evidence or arguments, and to receive
for my exclusive benefit, the certificate which may be issued for said claim, which certificate I wish made payable at the Washington City, D. C. Agency ;
to appoint one or more substitutes under him for the purposes herein expressed, and to do all things that I might or could do were I personally present.
Hereby ratifying and confirming all that my said Attorney and Agent shall lawfully do in the premises.
Peter Van Orden
ta, subscribed, and Acknowledged before me the day and year abore written. and I hereby certify that I believe the said
David Van Orden
to be directly interested in said claim as set forth, and to be the identical party
therein alleged.
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State of New York
County of greene
p
Jt before me, the Court
is tjercon Oertified, that satisfactory evidence has been exhibited Clerk of of nicenty of
Speere
that David lan Gelen
the party who has sworn to, and
that 11 John Oliey
acknoteledged the foregoing Declaration and Power of Attorney, is the longth
reputed soldier aforesaid. I further certify,
Esq. before whom the preceding affidavit and Power of Altorney were made and
agknoteledged, was, at the time of so doing, a Justice of the Peace, in and for said County, and that the signature purporting to be his, I believe to be
genvine.
Jn Ocstimoun Whereof, L have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of Office,
this 26th
12 Administer all
day stryeng of 1853
1. Claimant's name or names in full.-9. Post Office address,
3.
"That he is the identical man, or, "that she is the widow of the identieal man," or, "that he or she is the legal heir of the identical man," &c., &c.
4. Leave this line blank.-5, "He is, is." or "they are. "--6. Revolutionary soldier's full name.-7. Claimant's signature. -8. Claimant's name.-9. Magistrate's signature.
10. "Identical," "widow of," or, "child of. "-Il. Magistrate's name.11-12. Clerk's signature.
N. B -Should two or more heirs join in the foregoing, the plural should be substituted for the singular number.
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Windham Centre Dec 6th 1852
To the Hon. Charles M Conrad sec of War
Honored Sir  Some years since my father made application to the officers of the Pension or war department to grant him a Pension, which was not granted at that time, having my attention called to the subject by men who have examined the documents file in the department at Washington City, laws passed since he applied clearly entitled him to a pension from the time he applied up to the time of his death which happened in July 1841, and he must have applied some 6 or 8 years before that time, his widow lived until April 18?9, of whim I am the oldest son I was born in the year 1800, on the fourth day of Dec 52 years old on last Saturday there were 5 girls older than me 3 of whom are now living
I have had application from a number of Pension agents wishing for a power to under the investigation of his claim, But believing that their object is to make the most out of it themselves as they want from 30 to 50 percent for their services, and knowing that the hims need the benefit of it more than the agents, I have taken the liberty of writing to your honor on the subject hoping & praying that you will cause the records to be searched, and examine our claim with candor and imparsiailty as I firmly believe you will and confer a great favor you the being
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of Peter Van Orden a soldier of the revolution my object in writing is to be informed what the department will require me to do in order to obtain the certificate, belieiving that I can give all the satisfaction they require in regard to my being the lawful heir of Peter Van Orden of Windham Green County deceased.
For the truth of my statements I will refer you to Col. Zadok Pratt formerly a member of Congress from Green County living now in NY City in and summer in Pratsville Green County [illegible] If you place any confidence in my statements (or believing knowing that the department or officers one after deposes upon by unprincipled men soliciting claims without any foundation) if that is the case, perhaps these lines will not meet with a very favorable reception, if I succeded in making you believe my statements enlisting your simpathies in behalf of the being of deceased so far as is just which is all I desire, I shall be very happy to receive a few times from your honor at Windham Center Green County New York as soon as your convenience will permit
Respectfully your obedient svt formerly Peter Van Orden Yours but since the death of my father I have written it Peter Van Orden
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April 7, 1936
BA-J/ERL
Jeremiah Overbagh=R.16875
Peter Van Orden-R.10885

Mrs. Edwin H. Whitehead
333 Oak Lane ,Hampton Gardens
Richmond, Virginia

Dear Madam:
Reference is male to your letter in which you request the Rev-
olutionary War records of Peter Van Orden, Abraham Overbagh and
Jeremiah Overbagh, all of Greene County, New York.
There is no claim for pension on file based upon the military
service of Abraham Overbagh in the Revolutionary War. Such claims
are the source' of the data furnished by this office.
It is suggested that as a possible means of obtaining informa-
tion in regard to the military service of that soldier, you apply
to the Adjutant General, War Department, this city, who is custodian
of military records.
The recordsof Jeremiah Overbagh and Peter Van Orden are furnished
herein.
Jeremiah Overbagh
R.16875
The data which follow are obtained from the papers on file in
Revolutionary War pension claim, R. 16875, based upon the military
service of Jeremiah Overbagh.
Jeremiah Overbagh wasborn in Greene County. New York. The
date of his birth and the names of his parents are not stated.
He married March 1, 1781, at Catskill. New York, Sarah Van Orden.
The date and place of her birth and the names of her parents are not
stated.
After the Revolution, Jeremiah and Sarah Overbagh moved to
Saugerties, Ulster County. New York.
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Jeremiah Overbragh died late in the year 1813.
On December 11, 1838, Sarah Overbagh, then aged eighty years
and a resident of Saugerties, Ulster County, Now York, applied for
the pension which might have been due on account of the services
of her husband, Jeremiah Overbagh, in the Revolutionary War. and
stated that while a resident of Rhinebeck, Dutchess County, New
York, he enlisted at the commencement of the Revolution, and served
at different times until 1782, at least two years in all. as private,
sergeant and ensign under Captain Benjamin Dubois, Colonels Anthony
Van Bergen, Lewis Dubois, Malcomb and Marinus Willett in the New
York Troops: that during a part of his service, he was stationed
on the frontiers of Albany and Schoharie Counties, also, along the
Hudson and Rivers and was engaged in several battles along
the Mohwark with the Indians and Tories under Brant and Butler.
An official report from the Comptroller's Office in the state of
New York showed that Jeremiah Overbagh served in 1778 under Cape
tain Thormas Hooghteling and Colonel Jacobus Van Schoomhoven; in 1779,
under Captain Benjamin Dubois and Colonel Robert Van Rensselaer; and
in 1780,under Lieutenant Anthony Abecl and Captain Benjamin Dubois
and Colonel Albert Pawling, all in the New York Troops, amounting
in all to four months and twenty nine days.
This claim for pension was not allowed because proof of ser-
vice of six months was not established in accordance with the Re-
quirements of the pension law.
Jeremiah Overbagh enlisted in the War of 1812 on January 15,
1813, for five years, served as private in Captain Lizum B. Cran-
field's Company. 23" Regiment, United States Infantry: on April
30, 1813, was transferred to Lieutenant Benjamin H. Moore's Com-
pany in same regiment, marched to fort  George in Canada, and was
in the action at the taking of said Fort George, after which he
was taken sick and died "on the Ridge Road about twelve miles
from Lewistown on the Niagara River in the County of Niagara and
state of New York, on his way with the rest of the sick to Green-
bush near Albany. This Was late in the year 1813, as stated
above.
On June 11, 1839, Sarah Overbagh, widow of Jeremiah Overbagh
and James Overbagh, Joel Overbagh, Benjamin Overbagh, Wilhelmus
Overbagh, Jeremiah Overbagh, Levi Overbagh and Anna Crawford, wife
of Jacob T. Crawford. only surviving children of the soldier,
Jeremiah Overbagh, applied for the bounty land which was due on
account of his service in the War of 1812.
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The widow, Sarah, and the above named children were granted
one hundred and sixty acres of bounty land on Warrant No.27174,
under the Acts of December 24, 1811 and January 11, 1312. The
residence of the widow was then Saugerties, New York: the places
of residence of the children are not show.
In order to obtain information in regard to the location of
the land cited above, you should address The Comissioner of the
General Land Office, Interior Department, this city, and furnish
that official with the number of the warrant, the acreage, and the
acts under which it issued.
the name a and dates of birth of the following children are
shown:
Son Alies or Elias Overbagh
born December
9, 1781.
#
Hezekiah Overbagh
#
April
12, 1784.
# Levi Overbagh
November
18, 1786.
# Jeremiah Overbagh
De cember
1, 1789.
" Joel Overbagh
Jenuary
11, 1792.
*
Congenan(T)Overbagh
#
3, 1794.
Daughter Hannah Overbagh.
May
23, 1796.
Son Jacobes Overbagh
October
30, 1798.
# Wilhalmes Overbagh
March
29, 1801.
"
Benjamin Overbagh
Date not given.
It was stated that Jeramiah Overbagh had two brothers, Peter
and John Overbagh.
In 1838, the widow's brother, William Van Orden, resided in
Catskill, New York, and in same year, her cousin, Peter Van Orden,
lived in Windham, Greene County. New York.
There are no further family data.
Peter Van Orden
R.10885
The data which follow are obtained from the papers on file
in Revolutionary War pension claim, R.10885, based upon the mil-
itary service of Peter Van Orden or Van Order in that war.
Peter Van Orden or Van Opler was born in 1761, "at a place
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called District of Great Imbought, Albany County, later Catskill, Greene County. New York."  The exact date of his birth and the
names of his parents are not shown.

September 5, 1832, while a resident of Windham, Greene County, New York, where he had resided since the Revolution, Peter Van Orden or Van Order made application for pension and stated that while residing in Captskill, New York, he enlisted in 1777, served in Captain Abeel's Company, Colonel Anthony Van Bergen's Regiment, of which Ignatius Van Orden was major: no relationship to soldier was shown: that he marched to Ford Edward, thence to Saratoga and Stillwater and was in the battle and was in the battle between General Gates and Burgoyne, after which he was taken sick and returned home having served two months: that in the summer of 1778, he enlisted and served one month at the upper fort at Schoharie under Colonel Peter Vrooman and defended the fort against the attacks of the Indians and Tories: that is the autumn of same year, he again served one month at Schoarie, this time at the middle fort under Captain Nicholar Staats: and that again in that year, he served one week under Lieutenant William Snyder acting as a guard against the Indians near Catskill, New York: that in the summer of 1778, he served eighteen days under Lieutenant Wessel Salisbury, and again acted as a guard against the Indians near Catskill: and that in 1779, he served fifteen days under Lieutenant Richard Vanderburgh at a fort near Albany: that he served, also at various times during the whole of the war on scouting service amounting to about two months in all, and that his entire service was seven months and ten days. All his service was in the New York Troops.

His claim was not allowed as he did not serve six months in a regularly organized military corps as require by the pension law, his service as scout and his patrol duty not being provided for in the act under which he applied.

The soldier died in July, 1841, and his widow died in April, 1849. The date and place of marriage and the name of his wife are not shown.

Peter Van Orden, the oldest son was born December 4, 1800. In 1852, he was residing in Windham, New York, and stated that parents and five daughters, three of whom were living at that time but did not give their names. He stated that most of his father's children were then living in Greene County, New York.

 [handwritten note} He said Capt David April but as I could not find a Capt David in N Y books was it Maj Capt James Abual who served Col Van Bergen. I omitted Chritian name.
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In 1853, one David Van Orden was living in Greene Count, New
York, and stated that he was directly interested in the pension
claim of Peter Orden but did not state his relationship to
the soldier.
In 1832, Benjamin Van Orden, a brother of the soldier, lived
in Greene County, New York and stated that he served
with his brother, Peter, in 1778, at
There are no further family data.
Very truly yours
A.D. HILLER
Executive Assistant to the Administrator.
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New York
Revo Act 7 June 34
Peter Van Orden
Rejected
let 8th Sept 1834
May 17/53
10885

[crossed out] to Amasa Mattoon Hon L Adams & Garry's Peter Van Orden
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Brief of Evidence

Caleb Haight & Daniel S Jones  testify that he had in his neighbourhood the reputed as of being a Rev soldier

Wissell Salisbury says that he knew claimant in Rev war that he Salisbury commended a Company or that claimant earned under line 18 days in the year 1779.

B. Dubois says he was Capt to claimant served under him twice at Schoharie gives no dates

Benj Van Order says that he knows his brother served in the Rev War was under send Schyler he knows that the said claimant was at the fall of Bemis Heights after ill said battle he to Peter married to Schoharie & remained out month that afterwards he knows his brother served afterwards from time to time as a volunteer
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Declaration

in Peter Van Orden case
His statement
2nd End in 1777 in Capt Abels Co. Served two mos, he dates NY Mil: 1st Lieut W Snyder  Col Ant Van Bergen
2nd  in summer in 1778 in Fort near Schoharie Col Vrooman Capt name not recollected
1 mo   served one month
3d in Fall of same year 78 drafted to march to Schoharie stationed at middle Fort under Capt Nick Staats Col Butler served 1 mo
in Sum of 79 under Lieut Wessel Salisburty
78 " Lieut Wm Snyder 7 days 5th
15 6th  78 " Richd Vandenburgh at Albany
Shed 7 " during war was out in couting parties in the comp John Witbeck & Capt Ben Dubois - 2 mos at least in all 7 mos 10 days
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[column 1]
1936. Apr 7 - Hist to Mrs Edwin H Whitehead
Letter in case Jeremiah Overbach R16875  EJ

[column 2]

[stamped] REJECTED
10,883

P.O.  Peter Van Orden

Service:
Enlisted:  Permited list of 1852 shows cause of, 18.
Discharged: Rejection - , 18.
"Other than patrol duly he did not serve six months"
Application filed:

Alleges:

Re-enlisted:

Attorney:

P.O.

Recognized.  Contract.
Cert. of Dis. Searched for, 18.
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Cairo NY
Septd

NY Sept 6
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Cario, N.Y. Sept 2nd 1834

JL Edwards Esq Com of Pensions

Sir
Enclosed I return the pension application of Peter Van Orden with your letter of instructions and an additional affidavit conformable tot he same & the general instructions of the War Dept. and I understand things

I am very respectfully
your most obt

Amasa Mattoon
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War Department
Pension Office
Oct 24, 1832

Sir,

I herewith return the papers in support of your claim under the Act of 7 June 1832.
The declaration is defective in using the indefinite and general phrase of having served "during the war at different times about two months, instead of giving a detailed statement of the time of entering the service and leaving the same, name and rank of officers as the regulation require.

The act provides for an actual service, and consequently its benefit ensures to the substitute who performed and not to him who employed him.

I am Respectfully yr Obt. Sevt.
JL Edwards
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May 17 1833
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214

Pension Office
May 17 1853

Sir

In the case of Peter Van Orden decd of NY under Act of 7 June 1832 I have to inform you that his claim was adjudicated adversely to him more than five year since, & that by a rule of this office can not now be reopened but upon the production of additional material evidence of his service, with satisfactory proof that it has been discovered since said adjudication - 

Peter Van Orden Esq
Windham Center
N. York
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COPY
War Dept.
Pension Off.
6 Jan'y,1835
Sir:
I have the honor to reply to the letter of Mr. Mattoon, herewith
enclosed that my letter of 8 Sept. last distinctly(word omitted) that
the aggregate of the tours of service alleged by Peter Van Orden after
excluding his patrol duty which is not provided for by the act of 7
June 32 did not amount to 6 mo. and was consequently disallowed on that
ground.
*****
No "unfairness" was believed or attributed to Mr. Mattoon. The
descision in each case is reaffirmed upon the reexamination which you
have requested.
Hon. J. Adams
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[stamp] City of WASHINGTHN SEP 10

JL Edward
Commissr of Pensions

Amasa Mattoon Esq
Cairo N.York
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War Department
Pension Office
Sept 8th 1834

Sir

The claim of Peter Van Orden has been again examined. He concludes his declaration by [illegible] an aggregate of two months service without stating the period and length of each term with names of officers as required by the regulations. It may also be remarked that it is infered from the phraseology employed, that it was merely the ordinary scouting & patrolling which devolves upon the citizens in time of insecurity. Excluding the item the remainder of his alleged service is less than six months - the minimum provisions of the Act of 7th June 1832. His claim is therefore disallowed. and his papers placed on our files.

I am respectfully your obt servant
JL Edwards