Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 32458, for John Prim, Virginia
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Service
Va.
Prim, John
or Prime
Number
S. 32458
Contents
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Illinois 25.864

John Prime 
of St Clair Co in the State of Illinois 
who was a Priv in the company commanded by 
Captain Combs of the Reg't commanded 
by Col Montjoy in the Virginia line for 
9 Mo 14 ds.  Pr $31.55 

Inscribed on the Roll of Illinois 
at the rate of 31 Dollars 55 Cents per annum 
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831. 

Certificate of Pension issued the 17th day of Jany and sent to 
134 A.W. Snyder, Bellville, Ill

Arrears to the 4th of Sepr 1833   78.87
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4 Mar ‘34 15.77 
[total] $ 94.65


{Revolutionary Claim Act June 7, 1832 } 

Recorded by John P. Gregory 
Book E Vol. 8 Page 60
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Proceedings in the matter of the 
Application of John Prim 
for a pension 
April Term of the Clair
Circuit Court 1833 
26.894
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State of Illinois 
St Clair County, ss. 
On the sixth day of April 1833  personally came and appeared in open court before the Honourable Theopplus W Smith Judge of the Circuit Court of St Clair County State of Illinois  now sitting John Prim a resident of the County of St Clair & State  of Illinois aged eighty three who being first duly sworn according to  Law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain  the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7 1832 That he entered the  service of the United States under the following named officers and  served as herein stated he entered the service in Stafford County  Virginia in 1776 his first service was to march to repel the Landing  of an armed ship called the Roebuck: the troops of which were  making a descent at Williams Brands farm on the Rappahannock they marched to this place  preventing her landing & followed the vessel below boyds hole &  untill [sic] she disappeared. in the following year he entered the service  under Captain Coombs in the batallion [sic]  commanded by Samuel 
Payton Major & Regiment commanded by Colonel Thomas Montjoy he served in this Regiment of Militia for two months of active duty  in this year and served in the year 1778, 1779, 1781. he was at the Seige [sic] of York under Captain Sharp in the battallion [sic] commanded  by Major Walsh in a regiment commanded by Col Dark Virginia Militia Troops one of these tours he  served under Captain Boyles in a Batallion [sic] commanded by 
Major Chan. in Marching to the Seige [sic] of York from Stafford County they marched across the Rappahannock through Fredericksburg. he thinks that the tour in 1778 he had served by a substitute. he left the service after the battle at York and after he had guarded the prisoners surrendered by Lord Cornwallis to Winchester Virginia. but received no written discharge he served four tours as above stated. he was born in Stafford County in the year 1750 he brought to this country the original record of his age which was transcribed from a small bible to a larger one which is in his possession he removed from Stafford County Virginia in the year 1801 and came to this County then teratory [sic] of [crossed out: Illinois] Indiana where he  has resided ever since he never received any compensation  from the United States or State of Virginia for his services  He [crossed out: hereby ackn] knows of no person alive by whom he can prove his services.
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He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or 
an annuity except the present and declares that his name is 
not on the pension roll of the agency of any state. 
John Prim
Sworn to and subscribed 
the day & year aforesaid 
John Hay ck 

We Hosia Riggs A clergyman residing in the County of St Clair 
State of Illinois and John D Hughes residing in the same County 
and State hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Prim
who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe 
him to be eighty three years of age that he is reputed and believed 
to be in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of 
the revolution and that we concur in that opinion
Hosia Riggs
John D Hughes
Sworn to & subscribed in open Court April 1833 
John Hay Ck

And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the 
investigation of the matter and after pulling the Interrogatories prescribed 
by the war department that the above named applicant 
was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states and the 
Court further certifies that it appears to them that Hosia Riggs 
who has signed and certified the above certificate 
is a clergyman resident in the County of St. Clair State of 
Illinois and that John D Hughes who has also signed the same 
is a resident in said County & State and is a creditable 
person and that their statement is entitled to credit 

[the following paragraph has been struck through in its entirety]
I John Hay Clerk of the Circuit Court of St Clair County State 
of Illinois do hereby certify that the forgoing contains the original 
proceeding of the said Court in the matter of the application of John Prim 
for a pention In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my 
hand & seal of office this sixth day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand 
eight hundred and thirty three and of the Independence of the United States of America the fifty Seventh.
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State of Illinois ss
I John Hay Clerk of the Circuit Court of St Clair County State of Illinois, do hereby certify, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings 
of the said Court in the matter of the application of John Prim for a pension. 
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of my Office this Sixth day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand Eight hundred and thirty three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the fifty Seventh. 
John Hay 

State of Illinois 
St Clair County } ss

Personally appeared before me 
the undersigned a Justice of the peace in and for the County of 
St Clare & State of Illinois John Prim who being duly sworn 
according to Law deposeth & saith that by reason of old age 
and the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively 
as to the precise length of his service but according to the 
best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods 
mentioned below, and in the following grades, for the 
year 1777 two weeks and in the year 1778 - 3 months in 
1779 - not less than 3 months in 1780 one tour of 
three months in the year 1781 at Cornwallis defeat 

[the following paragraph appears to block additional handwritten record]

STATE OF ILLINOIS,
ST CLAIR COUNTY, SS. }
I John Hay, Clerk of the County Commissioners’ Court of the said county of St. Clair, (and ex officio recorder of civil Commissions,)
do hereby certify that Joseph Green Esquire, the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing certificate was at the time of executing the same, an acting Justice of the Peace of said county, duly commissioned and qualified, and to all his official acts, full faith and credit are and ought to be given. 
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of said County at Belleville, this twenty Eighth day of December in the year of our Lord Eighteen hundred and thirty three and of the Independence of the United States of America, the fifty Eighth.
John Hay
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State of Illinois ss
I John Hay Clerk of the Circuit Court of St Clair County State of Illinois, do hereby certify, that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of John Prim for a pension. 
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of my Office this Sixth day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand Eight hundred and thirty three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the fifty Seventh. 
John Hay 

State of Illinois 
St Clair County ⎬ ss
personally appeared before me 
the undersigned a Justice of the peace in and for the County of 
St Clare & State of Illinois John Prim who being duly sworn 
according to Law deposeth and saith that by reason of old age 
and the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively 
as to the precise length of his service but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods 
mentioned below, and in the following grades. for the 
year 1777 two weeks and in the year 1778 - 3 months in 
1779 - not less than 3 months in 1780 one tour of three months in the year 1781 at Cornwallis defeat 
not less than 3 months one of these tours was served 
by substitute I think 1778, and for such service I claim a pension. 
Sworn to and subscribed 
this 27th day of December 1833 
before me 
Jos: Green J. P. John Prim
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26. 894. 
John Prim 
Illinois 
Adm 9. Months & 14 days
30.00
1.35

[illegible calculations]

A. W. Snyder 
Belleville Illinois
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War Department,
Pension Office,
10 Oct 1833

Sir:  
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned.  The following is a statement of your case in tabular form.  On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed.  The notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done.  Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: }).  You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them;  and you will, by compling with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.

A Statement, shewing the Service of John Prime

Period when the service was rendered.
1776
1777
1778
"  9
"  81

Names and rank of Field officers under whom he served.
Cap Combs
Col Montjay

Age at present, and place of abode when he entered the service.
83 years
Stafford County Va.

Proof by which the declaration is supported.
Traditionary

I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J.L. Edwards,
Commissioner of Pensions.

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 REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832 
The following regulations have been adopted: This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service. Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law: 1. The Regular Troops. 0 2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers. 3. Persons employed in the Naval service. 4. Indian Spies. As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in the Department, all persons, claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record. DECLARATION, In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832. State, Territory, or District of } County of } ss. On the _____day of _____personally appeared (a) before _____ A.B. a resident (b) of _____ in the county of _____ and State, Territory or District of _____ aged (c) _____ years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) _____, with _____ and served in the _____ (e) regiment of the _____ line, under the following named officers: [Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. [pointing hand symbol]This form is to be varied as as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.] He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of ____ Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid. [And then will follow the certificate of the court.] And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states. I _____ of the Court of _____ do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of _____ for a pension. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this _____ day of _____ &c. If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out. Every Applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz: (k) We, A.B., a Clergyman, residing in the _____ and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with _____, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be _____ years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion. Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid. [And then will follow the certificate of the Court.] And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B. who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the ___ and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the ____ and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit. I, _____ Clerk of the Court of _____ do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of _____ for a pension. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this _____ day of _____ &c. Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of a least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstance connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction. 
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
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alleged service, as they are known at the Department.  A very full account of the services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case.  The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected.  All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
1. Where and in what year were you born?
2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?
5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
6.{To a Soldier {Did  you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it?
{To an Officer {Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons--one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if  one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion.  If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party.  And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
  Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
  Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, of by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
  No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in [illegible] death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
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[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity: in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resided.  If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled.  In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
  "personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace ,&c. A. B. who, being duly sworn deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less that the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:  __ For ____ year _____ months, and _____days, I served as a_____.  For ____ year _____ months, and _____days, I served as a _____; and for such service I claim a pension."
  It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service.  The use of the phrase "about three or four months" is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.  Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service.  This form of a declaration is highly objectionable.  It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement, the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
  [f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
 [g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
 [h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
 [i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has not public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers

Mode of authenticating papers
  In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon., the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.

Proof of Service.
 [j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged.  The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
  The notes from [a] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
 [k] This traditionary evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
 [l] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
 [m] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
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December 7, 1935.
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Mrs. Roy J. Wilson 
1005 West Vine Street
Taylorville, Illinois
BA-J/ady
John Prim
S.32458
Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter relative to
John Prime, a soldier of the Revolutionary War.

The data contained herein are obtained from the papers on file in the Revolutionary War claim for pension, S.32458, based upon the military service of John Prim in that war.

John Prim (pensioned Prime) was born in 1750 in Stafford County, Virginia, day, month, and the names of his parents are not shown.

While a resident of Stafford County, Virginia,
he enlisted in 1776 or 1777 and served at various times until the fall of 1781, nine months and fourteen
days in all, as a private under Captains Combs, Bayler, and Sharp, and Colonels Thomas Mountjoy and Darke in the Virginia troops, and was at the siege of Yorktown.

In 1801 he moved from Stafford County, Virginia, to what was later Saint Clair County, Illinois.

He was allowed pension on his application executed April 6, 1833 while a resident of Saint Clair County, Illinois.

Soldier had fourteen sons, their names and the
name of his wife not given, and there are no further family data.
Very truly yours
A.D. HILLER
Executive Assistant to the Administrator
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RETURN RECEIPT.

Received from the Postmaster the Registered or Insured Article, the original number of which appears on the face of this Card.

Mrs. T. F. Robinson
(Signature or name of addressee.)
___
(Signature of addressing agent.)

Date of delivery,  AUG 23 1918, 191_
Form 3811

[ink stamp:  MISC. SEC BD. OF REV.
AUG 27 1918
CHIER"S DESK]

[vertically on left margin:  Rev. War  T. F. Robinson  Aug 29/18]

[vertically on right margin:  John Prim Va.  S32458]
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Post Office Department
OFFICIAL BUSINESS
REGISTERED ARTICLE
No. 79652
INSURED PARCEL

No. __

Return to Board of Review
Street and Number, or Post office Box.}  BUREAU OF PENSION
WASHINGTON, D.C.

PENALTY FOR PRIVATE USE
TO AVOID PAYMENT OF
POST [?] $[?]00

POSTMARK OR DELIVER[?]
1918
AND DATE OF DELIVERY

[postmark:  PENSION OFFICE U. S. AUG 27 1918]
[postmark:  WELLINGTON KANS> AUG 23 5 PM]
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[ink stamp]
OFFICE OF
THE COMMISSIONER
JAN 20 1927
C
U. S. BUREAU OF PENSIONS
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January 18, 1927
Commissioner of Pensions,
Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:
Will you kindly send me
the service record of John Primm (also
spelled De La Pryme or Prime)?
The Missouri Historical
Society records show the following:
John Primm, the second son
of Abraham De La Pryme, emigrated from
the Isle of Man some time prior to the
year 1750 and settled in what is now
the State of Virginia. He married an
English woman and raised a family of
four sons: William, James, Thomas
and John. We have only to do with his 
son John, who served in the Revolutionary
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War for seven years and took
part in the siege of Yorktown where
he saw Lord Cornwallis surrender
his sword to General Washington.
(Mo. Historical Records show he was
pensioned).
John Primm and Elizabeth
Handsbrough were married in Virginia
October 9th 1777. They moved west and
settled in what is now St. Clair
County, Illinois in the year 1803.
He was born in Stafford County, 
Virginia, May 17th, 1750; died in
St. Clair County, Illinois, March
12, 1837. His wife was born in
Virginia, January 5th, 1761; died 
October 25th, 1832. They had a
family of thirteen sons and four
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daughters.
Thanking you for any
information you can give me in
regard to the above.
I am
Very Truly
Mrs. H. R. Coleman
Grand niece of Judge
Wilson Primm who was a
grand son of John Primm of
Revolutionary war service
(Self addressed envelope enclosed)
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[ink stamp:  RECORD  OCT 11 1921  DIVISION]

[ink stamp: PENSION OFFICE  D  U. S.  OCT 8 1921]
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{xx}
[xx}
811 West Harvey Avenue
Wellington, Kansas.
October 5th 1921
Commissioner of Pensions
Pension Bureau
Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir:
Please send to my address
a copy of the Revolutionary record
of John Prim (Prime), my
ancestor, a pensioner under
the act of 1832, a resident
of St. Clair County, Illinois,
placed on the pension roll
Jan. 17th 1834 for service in
the Virginia Continental Line.
Respectfully,
Mrs. Fannie Primm Lynch
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[ink stamp:  PENSION OFFICE  A U. S. AUG 17 1918]
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[ink stamp:  PENSION OFFICE  A  U. S.  AUG 17 1918]
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Rev Sec Recd .25 coin
w en 
GC
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August 10 1918
Commissioner of Pensions
Pension Bureau
Washington, D.C.
Dear Sir,
Please send to my
address a copy of the Revolutionary
record of John Prim (Prime) a
pensioner under the act of 1832
a resident of St. Clair County, Ill.
placed on the pension roll 
Jan. 17 - 1834 for service in
the Va. Continental lines.
Yours Truly,
Mrs. T. F. Robinson
321 South F Street
Wellington
Kansas
Finance Division
Aug 17 1918
BUREAU OF PENSIONS
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32458
Rev'y INVALID.
File No. 32,458
John Prime
Pri Rev War
Act: June 7th 32
Index:— Vol. 2, Page 328
[Arrangement of 1870]

May 14 '96 sold
pensd to Henry
Candle, Bethany Mo. L.W.B.

1916 Apr 25: history to Mr.
Wm H.H. Tainted. M.13.11

1918 Aug. 19.History to Mrs. T.F. 
Robinson, and 20 cents also
returned to her. AW

1921, Oct. 26 hist. to Mrs. Fannie P Lynch. EW
1922 Jan 16 hist. to Mrs. H.E. Moseley. EW
1927. Much. 8. Hist. to Hal.R. Calen[illegible] MMNF?
1928. May 15. Hubert W. Lacey advised cost of photos. MMNF
1928. June 9. Photos to H.W. Lacey
See corres. [illegible]. of Conrad Goodyear. R. 4113. MMNF
1935 Apr. 10. Hist. to Pauline M. Rapp. See her letter in Hosea Rigg. Rev. War clam W.32483 ADN
1935 Dec. 7. Hist. to Mrs Roy J. Wilson ADN
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April 10, 1935
BA-3/ady

Miss Pauline M. Rapp
6340 South Throop Street
Chicago, Illinois

Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the records of John Prime and Hosea Rigg, soldiers of the Revolutionary War.
Their records are furnished you herewith on separate pages, as found in the claims for pension based upon service in the Revolutionary War.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant to the Administrator
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April 10, 1935
BA-J/ady
John Prim,
S. 32458

Miss Pauline M. Rapp
6249 South Throop Street
Chicago, Illinois

Dear Madam:
The data contained herein are obtained from the papers on file in the Revolutionary War claim for pension, S. 32458, based upon the military service of John Prime in that war.
John Prim (pensioned Prime) was born in 1750 in Stafford County, Virginia, day, month and  the names of his parents are not shown.
While a resident of Stafford County, Virginia, he enlisted in 1776 or 1777 and served at various times until the fall of 1781, nine months and fourteen days in all, as a private under Captains Combe, Bayler, and Sharp, and Colonels Thomas Mountjoy and Darke in the Virginia troops, and was at the siege of Yorktown.
In 1801 he over from Stafford County, Virginia, to what was later Saint Clair County, Illinois.
He was allowed pension on his application executed April 6, 1833 while a resident of Saint Clair County, Illinois.
Soldier had fourteen sons, their names and the name of his wife not given, and there are no further family data.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant to the Administrator.
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[Rev] & 1812 Wars Section  MM&F


March 8, 1827

Hal. R. Coleman
5926 McPherson Ave.,
St. Louis, MO.

Madam:

I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 33458 it appears that John Prim (pensioned Prime) was born in 1750 in Stafford County, Virginia.
While a resident of Stafford County, Virginia he listed in 1776 or 1777 and served at various times until the fall of 1781, nine months and fourteen days in all, as a
private under Captain Combs, Bayler, and Sharp, and Colonels Thomas Mountjoy and Darke in the Virginia Troops, and was at the Siege of Yorktown.
In 1801 he moved from Stafford County, Virginia to what was later Saint Clair County, Illinois, and while a resident of that county was allowed pension on his application executed April 6, 1833.
Soldier had fourteen sons, their names and the name of his wife not given, and there is no further data on file as to family.
Date of death not on AB
Respectfully,
WINFIELD SCOTT
Commissioner.
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[REVOLUT]IONARY WAR RECORDS SECTION  3 -- 525
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR.
BUREAU OF PENSIONS.
Washington, D. C. , ___19__
In reply to your request of ___ received ___ for a statement of the military history of John Prim or Prime a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his [marked out: (or his widow's) ] application for pension on file in this Bureau.
SF 32458
DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. | LENGTH OF SERVICE. | RANK. | OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. |  STATE.
1776 or 1777 | Served 9 mo. 14 day at various times until Fall 1781 | Pvt. | 
CAPTAIN. Combs. Bayler Sharp: COLONEL. Thomas Mountjoy Darke | Va.

Battles engaged in, Siege of York
Residence of soldier at enlistment, [marked out: Enlisted]  in Stafford Co. Va.
Date of application for pension, Apl 1833 His claim was allowed.
Residence at date of application, St Clair Co Ills.
Age at date of application, born in Stafford Co Va in 1750
Remarks: [marked out: There is no family data on file] (error corrected by AW Aug 19, 1918 )
Sol had 14 sons. their names and that of his wife are not stated. There is no further data on file as to his family
Respectfully,
Commissioner.

8 -- 2856
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SUBMIT IN DUPLICATE.  1-681 PHONE Branch 476
All inquiries regarding this job should refer to Requisition No. 23963

Requisition for Duplicating, Addressograph, Photostat, and Blue Print Work.
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
WASHINGTON
CHIEF Division of Publications,  May 29, 1928   192
Room G 137.
Please furnish work specified below.
Bureau ordering PENSION  Deliver to Room No. 5033

(ALL COPY FOR DUPLICATING WORK SHOULD BE PLAIN AND WRITTEN IN ELITE TYPE, EXACTLY LINE FOR LINE AS IT IS TO APPEAR ON FINISHED JOB.)
Title and description of job photostatic copies of 5 pages from Rev. War pension claim of John Prim, S. 32458, Va. Troops
No. of copies 1 of each page shall form be kept standing? ___ ___ days
For further information see M. M. H. Finch 5033 Room No. 541 Phone No.
Approved: A. D. Wilkinson Chief Clerk of Bureau  Margaret M. H. FInch Chief of Branch [marked out: of Division]
NOTE: No order made "SPECIAL" unless statement showing necessity is written below and approved by Chief Clerk of Bureau ordering
CHECK WORK DESIRED
Duplicate
Multigraph  single or double space? Facsimile signature?
Mimeograph  one side or both sides? Facsimile signature?
Folding  once or twice?
Assembling
Stapling  Once?  Twice?  Side?  End? 
Electric typewriter  Fill in Addresses?  Dated?
Addressograph from lists
Envelopes, size  Cards, size
Proof list  Pay rolls
Labels (submit sample) Corrections
Fill in letters Tabulation sheets
Photostat x Size  actual  Official use?  Repay?  Yes $.75
Blue Print  Size ___ Official use? ___ Repay? ___
Remarks
(OVER)

[in margin:  See receipt in cl. of Conrad Goodner, R. 4113  Rev & 1812 Wars]

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BUREAU OF PENSIONS
Finance Division

AUG 17 1918 , 191_
Chief of Rev War Section 
Sir:
I have this day receibed from Mrs T. F. Robinson [marked out: draft No.] Cash [marked out: for] $ 25/100
requesting [marked out: post office addresses] copy as per letter herewith.

Finance Div
notf this money
was returned
to Mrs. Robinson
AW  Aug 19, 1918
(by reg. mail.)
Very respectfully,
W. N. Campbell 
JJC
Chief of Division.

[NOTE:  this note is attached to letter #32}
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August 19, 1919

Mrs. T. F. Robinson.
321 South F. St.
Wellington, Kans.

Madam:

In reply to your letter of the 1o" instant, you are herewith furnished the history of the Revolutionary War pensioner John Prim, Va. Troops, S. File No. 28,458, for which no fee is charged.
Please fine [sic] enclosed the twenty-five cents which was forwarded by you to this Bureau in you above noted letter.
Very respectfully,
E. C. Tieman
Acting Commissioner.
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RECEIVED
 NOV 27 1935
MAIL DUB. DIV.
VETS. ADM. READER 18]
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Rev & 1812 War
1005 W. Vine St.
Taylorville, Ill.

Dept of Interior
Washington, D. C.

Dear Sirs:

Will you please send me a copy of the pension papers of John Prime (1750-1837) who served in the Revolutionary War?  I am needing these for my D. A. F. papers and am enclosing a stamped addressed envelope for the same.
Thanking you in advance I am 
Very sincerely yours,
Mrs. Roy J. Wilson

P. S.
John Prime was born in Stafford CO. Virginia and died in St. Clair Co. Ill.

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MAIN 5067

HAL, R. COLEMAN
ATTORNEY-AT-LAW
912 CENTRAL NATIONAL BANK BUILDING
7TH AND OLIVE STREETS
ST. LOUIS

March 5th, 1927.

Commissioner of Pension,
Washington, D.C.

Gentlemen:--
I have written you several letters, the last one under date of February 2nd, 1927, requesting you to kindly send to me the service record of John Prime also spelled De La Pryme or Prime )?
The Missouri Historical Society records show the following: --
John Primm, the second son of Abraham De La Prime, emigrated from the Isle of Man some time prior to the year 1750 and settled in what is now the State of Virginia. He married an English woman and raised a family of four sons; William, James, Thomas and John. We have only to do with his son John, who served in the Revolutionary War for seven years and took part in the siege of Yorktown where he saw Lord Cornwallis surrender his sword to General Washington.
This John Primm according to the Missouri Historical records was pensioned for his services in the Revolution.
John Primm and Elizabeth Handsbrough were married in Virginia, October 9th, 1777. They moved west and settled in what is now St. Clair County, Illinois, in the year 1803. He was born in Stafford County, Virginia, May 17th, 1750; died in St. Clair County, Illinois, March 12, 1837.
Although I have written you several letters of this information, I have received no answer whatever to any of them. I am informed that letters to the Pension Office are always answered in some manner and I will appreciate it if you will give this your prompt attention and let me have
a reply.
Very truly yours,
H. R. Coleman, M.
Great Granddaughter of the above named
John Primm, 5926 McPherson Ave. St. Louis, Mo.

HRC/M

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MAIN 5067
Ans. Mar 8, 1927

HAL. R. COLEMAN
ATTORNEY-AT-LAW
912 CENTRAL NATIONAL BANK BUILDING
7TH AND OLIVE STREETS
ST. LOUIS

February 2nd, 1927.

Commissioner of Pensions,
Washington, D. C.

Dear Sir: -
Will you kindly send me the service record of John Primm ( also spelled De La Pryme or Prime)?
The Missouri Historical Society records show the following: --
John Primm, the second son of Abraham De La Pryme, emigrated from the Isle of Man sometime prior to the year 1750 and settled in what is now the State of Virginia. He married an English woman and raised a family of four sons; William, James, Thomas and John. We have only to do with his son John, who served in the Revolutionary War for seven years and took part in the siege of Yorktown where he saw Lord Cornwallis surrender his sword to General Washington. ( Mo. Historical Records show he was pensioned ).
John Primm and Elizabeth Handsbrough were married in Virginia, October 9th, 1777. They moved west and settled in what is now St. Clair County, Illinois, in the year 1803. He was born in Stafford County, Virginia, May 17th, 1750; died in St. Clair County, Illinois, March 12, 1837. His wife was born in Virginia, January 5th, 1761; died October 25th, 1832. They had a family of thirteen sons and four daughters.
Thanking you for any information you can give me in regard to the above, I am,
Very truly yours,
Mrs. H. R. Coleman
Grandniece of Judge Wilson Primm who was a grandson of John Primm of Revolutionary War service.
P. S. I have to have this information by February 15th and I would
appreciate very much if you would make a special effort to respond
to this before that date.

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Rev Sec

Jan 9, 1922.

Gentlemen:-
I have received no reply to my inquiry written some time ago for a copy of the Revolutionary Record of John Prim (Pryme or Prime) a pensioner under the act of 1932, a resident of St. Clair Co. Ill placed on the pension roll Jan 17, 1834 for service in the Va. Cont. Line.
If there is any charge for this will you so advise?
Yours truly
Mrs. H. E. Moseley
407 Walnut Ave  Painesville, Ohio
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[ink stamp:  RECORD DIVISION  DEC 29, [1921]]
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3 ct stamp enclosed 

Rev Sec  w

Monday Dec. 26

Commissioner of Pension
Washington, DC.

Dear Sir:
Please send me a copy of the Revolutionary record of John Prim (Prime, Pryme) a pensioner under the act of 1832, a resident of St. Clar Col, Illinois, placed on the pension roll Jan 17, 1834 for service in the Va. COntinental Line
your truly
Mrs. H. E. Moseley
407 Walnut Ave
Painesville, Ohio

stamp returned EW
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Rev. Div. 

Wm. H. H. Tainter
6141 McPherson Ave.
St. Louis, Mo.
April 18, 1916

Sir:
I have the honor to apply for details of the Revolutionary War service of John Primm or Prime, born in Virginia about A. D. 1750, died in St. Clair County Illinois.
Very respectfully
Wm. H. H. Tainter

To the
Hon. Commissioner
of Pensions
Washington D. C.
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Missouri Society
Bethany, Mo., May 5th, 1896

Hon. Wm Lochren
Commissioner of Pensions

Dear Sir,
Please send me the military history of the following pensioners of the Revolutionary War

Azariah Orton
placed on the pension roll of Oneida Co New York June 8 1833

Also of John Prime
placed on the pension roll of St Clair Co Ill Jan 17 1834

over
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I desire the information of Azariah Orton for Hon. H.G. Orgon of Princeton Mo and the information of John Prime for A.T. Primm Jr. of St Louis Mo.
Very Respectfully
Henry Cadle
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Dellarth M   Free

J. L. Edwards Commissioner of Pensions
City of Washington
D. C. 

Illinois set  
14th January 1864
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Belleville 28th Dec 1833 

J. L. Edwards Commissioner of Pensions 

Sir I send you 
again the declaration of Jno Prim on which 
is drawn up a supplemental affidavit this is all 
the proof he can give. there can be no doubt 
about what he states being true. he is the father of 14 Sons. a very respectable man. you could 
 obtain a further knowledge of him by refference to 
the Hon E.K. Kane who has been long  acquainted 
with him. will you pleas advise me of 
the result of his application 
I have the honour 
to be sir your 
Obedient Servant
A. W. Snyder