Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 7351, for Thomas Lloyd Moore, Pennsylvania
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SERVICE
Penn.
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Moore, Thomas Lloyd.
Rebecca contesting widow
Sarah
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NUMBER
R. 7351
B.L.Wt. 1417.400.Major
Issued May 22, 1789
No papers.
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State of New Jersey
Sussex County
Clerks office I W.L. Smith clerk of said county do hereby certify that I have made search and that no record of the marriage of Thomas L Moore to Rebecca Masterson exists in the clerks office of the county of Sussex, New Jersey.
I W.L. Smith above named depose and say that I hold the office of County Clerk in the county and state aforesaid and that the above certificate is true.
[signed] W.L. Smith Clerk
Sworn to and Subscribed this 2d day of November 1850 before me. And I certify that W L Smith who made the above certificate and affidavit is a credible person.
[signed] Robert T Shiner Justice Peace

State of New Jersey
Sussec County 
Clerks office
I hereby certify that Robert T Shiner Esq on the 2 day of November 1850 a Justice of the Peace in and for said County duly elected and qualified according to law and that the foregoing signature purporting to be his are genuine and of his proper hand writing.
In witness whereof I have hereto set my hand and affixed the seal of said County this Second day of November 1850 at Newton County & State aforesaid.
[seal affixed]
[signed] W L SMith Clerk
of the County of Sussex New Jersey
In witness
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State of New York Tioga County SS
Mariah Woodard of the town of Barton being duly sworn says that she was well acquainted with Thomas L. Moore and Rebecca Moore his wife knew of their living together as husband and wife until the death of her husband, who died about 3 miles from Ithaca Village, Tompkins County N.Y. the 2nd day of October 1819. Rebecca Moore his wife, died in the town of Barton Tioga Co. NY June 14th 1850 and that the names of their children were as follows (and the residences of each one living) to wit Joseph L. Moore Orton township Potter Co. Pa., Margaret A. Moore Linden Lycoming Co. Pa., Joseph L. Moore born Nov. 1789. Margaret A. born June 28, 1788. Hannah Moore born November 1785 died Feby..13th 1829. Names of the children of deceased to wit Hannah Moore Mariah Woodard of Barton Tioga Co. N.Y. Rebecca Kelly died at Lawrenceville Tioga Co. Pa. A.1846. Amanda Kirkindall born March 29th 1812 residence Lawrenceville Tioga Co. Pa. Samuel Elston born May 1818 residence Linley township Chemung] Co. N.Y. Diana Royce born Nov 11th 1821 now resides at Pen Yan, Yates Co. N.Y. 
Maria Woodard
Sworn before me this 16th day of July 1857 Gilbert Edgcomb J.P.
State of New York Tioga County SS John Spear, Moses Shoemaker, Malinda Shipman residents of Barton, the afforesaid County State, being duly sworn separately, doth depose and say as follows to wit that that they were individually acquainted with Thomas L. Moore (or Thomas L.L. Moore) and Rebecca Moore his wife, was well acquainted with them while living, and knows of their living together as Husband & wife until the
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State of New York Tioga County SS John Spear, Moses Shoemaker, Malinda Shipman residents of Barton, the aforesaid County State, being duly sworn separately, doth depose and say as follows to wit that they were individually acquainted with Thomas L. Moore (or Thomas L.L. Moore) and Rebecca Moore his wife, was well acquainted with them while living, and know of their living together as Husband & wife until the death of the Husband who died about three miles from Ithaca Village Tompkins Co. N.Y. sometime in the month of October 1819, and his wife Rebecca died in the town of Barton Tioga County N.Y. sometime in the month of June 1850
Sworn separately and severally before me this 21st day of July 1857 Gilbert Edgcomb J.P.
Moses Shoemaker [signature]
John Spear [signature]
Malinda Shipman [signature]
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State of New York Tioga County Clerk's Office, SS.
I, Leroy W. Kingman, Clerk of said County, and also Clerk of the Courts of Record thereof, do hereby certify that Gilbert Edgcomb Esq. whose name is subscribed to the Certificate of proof or acknowledgement of the annexed instrument, and thereon written, was, at the date of said Certificate of proof, or acknowledgment, a Justice of the Peace in and for said County, duly commission and sworn, and duly authorised to take the same, and further, that I am well acquainted with the hand writing of the said Justice and verily believe that the signature to the said certificate of proof or acknowledgment, is genuine, and that the same is in due form, and in accordance with the laws of the State of New York.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the Seal of the said County, at Owego, this 25th day of July 1857 L W Kingman Clerk.
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Pension Office, 
Jan. 10, 1851.

James Lawrence Esq.
Syracuse, N. Y.

Sir: 
I enclose you a copy of a declaration made by one Joseph L. Moore for the purpose of obtaining a pension and also of the depositions of certain witnesses in support of that claim. It is understood at this office that the claim is a fraudulent one, the name of Col. Thomas L. Moore's wife having been Sarah and her death having occurred in 1826. These facts can, I learn, be proved by Richard Willing Esq of Philadelphia, who will doubtless furnish you the names of the other witnesses by whom the same state of case can be established. For the purpose of checking these efforts at peculation it is very desirable that an example should be made, and I have therefore respectfully to request that you will cause the claimant and the witnesses to be indicted. If you will apprise me of the time when the testimony will be needed, such as can be furnished by this Bureau shall be ready
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State of New York
Tioga County Ss
Where as Joseph L Moore made a declaration before me on the thirteenth day of July last to which was appended the usual certificate by me. Now, as a further certificate - I hereby certify that by sufficient evidence this day appeared  before me by said Joseph L Moore I am fully satisfied that he is sixty-seven years of age as stated in his said declaration.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name this sixth day of September is the year one thousand eight hundred & fifty at orange, in said County of Tioga
[signed] Charles P Avery
County Judge of Tioga County


State of New York
Tioga County Clerk Office Ss
I Moses Steven clerk of the said county certify that Charles P Avery Esquire the person subscribing the above certificate is county Judge of the said county of Tioga, duly commissioned and sworn and duly authorized to make the said certificate, and that his signature above subscribed is genuine.
Witness my hand and Seal of office this 6th day of September 1850

[signed] Moses Stevens Clerk
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November 20, 1939

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Thomas Lloyd Moore
$.7351
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Dear Madam:

The Revolutionary War pension and bounty land records of this office show that Warrant no. 1417, for four hundred acres of bounty land, was issued May 22, 1789, to Thomas Lloyd Moore on account of his service as Major in the Pennsylvania Line, War of the Revolution.
Those records show, further, that an application was made for pension which might have been due Sarah Moore as the widow of the above-named officer, and that an application was made for pension which might have been due Rebecca Moore as the widow of the above-named officer. Only fragments of correspondence in regard to both applications remain on file in this office under pension number, R. 7351. Neither claim for pension was allowed.
In the papers relating to Rebecca Moore's case, the following statements are shown, that Joseph Lee Moore of Tioga County, New York, in July 1850, aged sixty-four years, was the son of Major Thomas L. Moore and Rebecca Moore, his wife, that when a search of the court records of Sussex County, New Jersey, was made in 1830 for the record of marriage of Thomas L. Moore and Rebecca Masterson, it was not found recorded. Her second marriage was referred to, but no details, names, dates, etc, are shown. One Maria Woodard of Berton, Tioga County, New York, stated in 1857, that she was well acquainted with Thomas L. Moore and Rebecca Moore, his wife, who lived together until his death, October 2, 1819, about three miles from Ithaca Village, Tompkins County, New York, that Rebecca, the widow, died June 14, 1850, in Barton, ,New York. Said Maria gave the names and residences of their children who were living in 1857, as: Joseph L. Moore, born in November, 1789, residence - Orton Township, Potter County, Pennsylvania; Margaret A. Moore, born June 28, 1788, residence, Linden, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania; Hannah Moore, born in November 1785, died February 13, 1829. Said Maria gave the names and residences in 1857 of said Hannah's children.
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as: Maria Woodard of Barton, New York; Rebecca Kelly, who died in 1846, in Lawrenceville, Tioga County, Pennsylvania; Amanda Kirkindall, born March 19, 1812, residence Lawrenceville, Tioga County, Pennsylvania; Samuel Elston, born in May, 1818, residence, "Linley" Township, Chemung County, New York; Diana Royce, born November 11, 1821, residence, Pen Yan, Yates County, New York.
John Spear, Moses Shoemaker and Malinda Shipman, all of Barton, New York, in 1857, all stated that they knew Thomas L. or Thomas L.L. Moore and his wife, Rebecca, who lived together until his death in October, 1819, about three miles from Ithaca Village, New York, and that said Rebecca died in June, 1850, in Barton, New York.
In the papers relating to the case of Sarah Moore, the following is shown, that Richard Willing was the son-in-law of "Colonel" Thomas Lloyd Moore of the Pennsylvania line, War of the Revolution, and Sarah, his wife; that said Willing had the family Bible in his possession, in which Sarah Moore's death was recorded as August 20, 1826, in Philadelphia, aged sixty years one month fifteen days, and Colonel Thomas L. Moore's death as August 31, 1815, aged fifty-four years seven months eleven days. It is further shown that one Thomas Johnston of Linden, Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, stated in 1857, that an aged daughter of this officer was living in his neighborhhod. He did not give her name. He stated, also, that this office was reared about "Westchester" and after the War moved to "york State" where he died; that he signed Thomas L. and Thomas L.L. Moore, his name being Thomas Lloyd Moore; that he held a Captain's commission and served on land and sea through the whole war and that his record was in Harrisburg; that "some years" before his death, his house burned and all his papers, his uniform, and everything, were lost; that this office said he would not apply for a pension because he got all he fought for - "Liberty" - and that made him rich anywhere.
This office has no further information in regard to the matter.

Very truly yours

A.D. Hiller
Executive Assistant 
to the Administrator
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[stamped] Received Oct 2 1939 Mail Sub-Div Reader No. 9 Vets Adm
[stamped] Records Division Misc Case #.....Claim #.....No Claim AR9-20
[stamped] General Accounting Office
[stamped] Received Sep 1 1939 G.A.O. Records Division
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Le Grange, Ga., 
Aug 30, 1939

Comptroller General
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sir, 
Have you the records of the following Revolutionary soldiers: Joseph Cloud - Reference Land in Wilson Co Penn. Granted to Revolutionary Soldiers 1790 - 1800 Copy in D.A.R. Library Joseph Cloud 640 acres Ky Records Vol II Franklin Co Deed Book a p 129" James Barber of Va as S.C. One James Barber served as county Lt of Culpeper Co. Va minute men and as colonel of militia. He died in Lancaster Ky. Another - Capt James Barker's Co. Lancaster Co. Penn militia. He was born in Chester Co. Penn.
[stamped] Sep 26 1939
Thomas Moore of Va as S.C. Reference "Thos. Moore for Service 1782 by resolution of General assembly Mar 1, 1784." In officers of the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War April 1775 to Dec 1783 by Francis B Hertman are two references "Thomase Moore (Va) 1st Lieutenant 13th Va 16th Nov 1776, Capt 23 Jan 1778; regiment designated 9th Pa 14 Sept 1778 and served to Jan 1780 (d 1829)." :Thomas Lloyd Moore (Pa) 1st-2d Penn Batt other officers discharged June 15 1800 (d 1819)." James Sullivan or Sullivant of Va and S.C., James "Jimmie" Garrett of Va and S.C., and Thomas Bass of Va.
I am trying to prove these
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lines for my D.A.R. Therefore and interested to know if wivers or other relatives are mentioned in the pensions.
Thanking you for any information, 
Sincerely yours, 
Mrs. Arthur E. Mallory
La Grange, Georgia

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Col. W. Grandin
15 Oct 1850
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Pension Office
15 October, 1850
Sir:
The papers in the case of Rebecca Moore w have been examined and filed. There is no proof of the date of the marriage. The docket of Mr. Bunnell, referred to as evidence on this subject, is not in the Pension Office. Record evidence must be forwarded or it must be clearly shown that none such is in existence. Then personal testimony of those who knew the parties and who can assign a probable reason for their ability to fix the date in which they were married or were living as man and wife, may be received.
Better evidence to establish the identity of the husband of the deceased with Major Moore of the Pennsylvania Line will be required. Someone who had personal knowledge of his service should be introduced. The fact that the claim is made at a late day does by no means offer any reason for the relaxation of our rules in this respect. It is the principle of all law that ignorance of its provisions shall never avail the party who pleads it. And if by lapse of time such proof as we require has escaped him, it is attributable to his own negligence of law.

Col. W. Grandin Present
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Pension Office
January 28, 1851

The second marriage of Rebecca Moore if proven, is not material in the case of the application of Joseph L. Moore.

Hon. J R Lawrence
US Attorney 
City Hotel 
Albany NY
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[letterhead]
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Washington
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Records Division in reply please quote R-121906 et al - JMW

[stamped] Received Oct 2 1939 Mail Sub-Div Reader No. 9 Vets Adm

[typewritten letter]
September 28, 1939.

Veterans Administration, 
Revolutionary and 1812 War Section,
Washington, D.C.

Sirs:
There is transmitted herewith for your consideration and direct reply, letter dated August 30, 1939, from Mrs. Arthur E. Mallory, La Grange, Georgia, requesting information concerning various alleged pensioners of the Revolutionary War.
The writer has been advised of this reference.
Respectfully, 
P.H. Fallon
Asst. Chief, Records Division.

Inclosure
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November 20, 1939

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Mrs. Arthur E. Mallory
La Grange
Georgia

Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter addressed to the Comptroller General, Washington, D.C. which has been referred to this office for reply in regard to Joseph Cloud who received land which was located in Tennessee; James Barber, as office of Culpeper County, Virginia, and Kentucky, James Barber of Lancaster County, Pennsylvani; Lieutenant Thomas Moore of Virginia or South Carolina, who James Sullivan or Sullivant of Virginia and South Carolina; James "Jimmie" Garrett or Virginia and South Carolina, and of Thomas Base of Virginia.

There is no claim for pension on file based upon service in the Revolutionary War of the Lieutenant Thomas Moore of Virginia who died in lane, nor of a Joseph Cloud, James Sullivan or Sullivant, nor Thomas Bass. The land which you state Joseph Cloud received in Tennessee was not granted by the United States, hence, this office has no record of the grant. July 19, 1939, a report was furnished you in regard to James "Jimmie" Garrett and James Barber.
The record of Thomas Lloyd Moore is furnished you herewith.

Very truly yours

A.D. Hiller
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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Washington, DC
September 4th, 1850
Sir, I have the honor to endorse herewith the declaration of Joseph L. Moore, of New York only heir of Major Thomas L. Moore, and Rebecca Moore, who claims a pension in right of his late Mother, the said Rebecca Moore of N.Y. under the Act of 4th July, 1836, and 7th  July, 1838. This declaration was forwarded to me by W. A. Cropsey, Esq., of Factoryville N. York on the 15th July last, with a request that I would, if possible procure the evidence of service of the said Th. L. Moore, and in said event, that I should present the claim to your Department. I have been busily engaged searching for the evidence, and in the hope of success, I addressed a letter to the  Hon. Secretary of State asking that an examination might be made of the "Washington Papers" for evidence of his service. I have been informed that his services have been found, and that in compliance with my request, that you have been so informed this day. I beg leave to ask the favor of you to cause early action in this case and much oblige your ob't serv't.
Th. Lumpkin

Col. J. L. Edward, Comm of Pensions
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W States Attorneys Office Vorehees
Dest NY Syracuse Jany 13th 1850
Sir, 
I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 10th Instant with the enclosures relating to the application of Joseph L. Moore for a pension, and requesting that the claimant and witnesses be presented for Indictment. The next term of the District Court of the U. States in this District is to commence on Tuesday the 21st this month at Albany. It is important that the case should then be presented, as there will not be another term till the 20th May next at Rochester more than 250 miles west of Albany, and no term of the Circuit Court in this District till the 17th June next at Canandaigua more than 230 miles west of Albany. I shall immediately send a subpeona for the Officers, before whom the several papers and affidavits were sworn to, vis Jacob Newkirk, Charles G Day, Charles P. Avery, & Thomas Yates, to attend at Albany on the 2st mat and shall direct the Marshall who has the subpoena to make dilligent enquiry as to the facts, and if there are other witnesses material there to show the fraud or falsity in the case, to subpoena them. As I understand you the indictments are expected to be for perjury the 13th of the Act of 3d March 1825 (4 Vol Stat at large pg 118)
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will be seen that this act extends also to those who procure such perjury to be committed. Now it is within my own knowledge that the most criminal in such matters are often those who get up these fraudulent applications for a share in the profits. A man in this District by the name of Stacks was recently convicted for procuring such affidavits, the grossest imposition upon the witnesses was proven. I shall direct enquiry as to this. It will be necessary that a clerk in the Pension Office should attend at Albany with the original papers. exemplified or certified copies will not answer, because the officer before whom the oath was taken, can not testify that he administered the oath except as he shall see the original, and the papers my be proven to be the papers received at and brought from the pension office. Witnesses in criminal cases are required by law to attend the U.S. Dist. Court of any State, from any other State these pres 5 cts per mile for travel each may & $1.25 per diem, for attendance.
I shall this day send a Subpoena to Richard Willing Esq of Philadelphia, with Blanks to be filled up by him for witnesses to prove the facts stated in your letter. I have in a letter called his attention to the matter but perhaps it would be well for you to address him on the subject. Albany is the most southern place in this District where the U.S. Court is held, being as you are aware only 130 miles from the City of New York, with a direct RRoad Communication. Within that the time
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is short, but the Grand Jury will be in session until the 25th vis and if the witnesses are there by the 25th it will be in time, and I think there will be no difficulty in obtaining their attendance at this term. I enclose a subpeona for the witness from the department, you will please visit the name and he can bring the subpoena with him. I wish you would send me as soon as possible the book containing the laws in relation to the pension department if you have one, they are so scattered through the Statutes at large that it it difficult to find them. Have the goodness to write me on rec't of this, whether the course I propose to take is agreeable, and as to any witnesses who should be subpoenad, whose names and places of evidence are known to the department
Very Respecty Yr obt St.
[signed] James R Lawrence

To James E Heath Esq Court of Pensions W. S. Atty.

PS Please inform me the name of the person who sent the papers to the Department and his residence, or where the papers were mailed?
Was any pension allowed on these papers or money paid, and if so, to whom?
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U.S. Att.s Office
Syracuse N.Y. Jany 16 1851

Sir
I wrote you yesterday in relation to the case of Joseph L Moore & in answer to yr letter of the 10th vis - Since that I have exemined the acts under which he applied for a pension - will you be good enough to give me the particular facts, which you suppose can be disproved, which are sworn to in the papers, i.c. the facts necessary & material to make out a case for a pension under these acts, which are untrue - 
I advise this, to enable us to draw the indictments-
in haste ur obt. svt
James R Lawrence
U.S. Atty.
Jas E Heath Esq
Comr. Pensions
Washington
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Pension Office, April 21, 1851.

Hon. J.R. Lawrence, 
U.S. District Atty.
Syracuse, N.Y.

Dir: 
Agreably to your letter of the 17th instant, to S. Cole of this office, I have obtained and herewith enclose the letters of W.A. Crossey to Mr. T. [illegible] of this city relating to the case of Rebecca Moore deceased.
Crossey did not send any papers exactly to this Department but transmitted them to Mr Lumpkin who filed them. I think he will be an important witness in any case.
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U. S Atty's Office
Syracuse Apl 17, 1857
De Sir
I am in rec’t of yr letter of 14th inst.
Moore & Schuyler were indicted but
they can not be tried out of this
Dist or the Dist East of the Cayuga
Lake. The next term of the Dist
Court is at Rochester on 3d Tuesday
in May-- The next term of the
Dist Court in this Dist is at Utica
on 2 tuesday in July but I think I
shall remove the Indicts into the
Cert & try them on 3d Tuesday in
June at Canandaigua. In that
case, shall let you know in time.
Crossey is the great rogue - he has
absconded as I am informed-
I hope however to catch him. I
want to prove that he sent the
papers to the P. Department. Please
enquire as to this, & let me know the
names of the witnesses-He knew
the papers were false & it is an offence
as you will see by the Statute in such
cases to present or cause them to be
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presented at the U.S. Pension Depart.
If he sent any of the papers directly
to the Depart, you can probably find
his letters enclosing them. If to some
one in Washington, to present, his letters
to that individual are important.
Please let me hear from 
you immediately.
In hast Yr ob’t s’t
James R Lawrence
[illegible] Atty

S Cole Esq
Washington
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Mr Cole Esq Syracuse May 8 1851
Dear Sir
I enclose to you a subpoena in the case of
 Thomas L Moore. Will
you have the kindness to ack[n]owledge
service on the back of it & serve the
the subpoena on Mr Lumpkin.
I appoint Mr Samuel Cole
Deputy Marshal to serve the enclosed
Subpoena on Thomas Lumpkin in
the case of the U States against
Thomas L Moore - please enclosed
the original subpoena to me made
& will satisfy you for your trouble
when I see you at Court.
I have the honour to be
Dear sir your most obed[i]ent
Servant
Lewis T Hawley
U S Deputy Marshal

I have served on Newkirk
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Washington Dec 5 1850

Sir
I send herewith additional evidence in the case of Rebecca Moore of New York.
Yours
H. S. Conger


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Com Pensions
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Washington, D.C. Nov. 14th 1850

Sir, 
I have the honor to enclose, herewith, a certificate of the Clerk of the County of Sussex, New Jersey, stating that no record of the marriage of Thomas L. Moore, and Rebecca his wife exists in his Office. This information was sought for at your instance, and is intended to be used in the case of Mrs. Rebecca Moore, decd, widow of Major Th. S. Moore, asserted by their son Joseph L. Moore, of New York, as of 4th July, 1836 and 7th July 1838.
I have the honor to be,
Sir, very respy 
your Obt. Sevt.
Th. Lumpkin

Col. J.L. Edwards
Comm of Pensions.
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Washington DC
Oct. 2nd 1850
Sir
I presented the declaration and evidence
in the case of Joseph S. Moore the son and
heir of Mrs Rebecca Moore, widow of
Major Th. L. Moore, of New York, for a pension.
The parties who employed me
in this case, have asked the attention
and service of the Hon. D. S. Dickinson, he
being immediately from his neighborhood 
and being satisfied with the arrangement which I
have made in with Governor Dickinson, that what I 
have done will be fully compensated for. I
have no objection that the certificate (if admitted) 
in the case may be sent to Governor Dickinson or to his 
friend Col. Grandin.
I have the honor to be
Sir, very resp’y
Your Obt. Ser’t
Th Lumpkin

Col. J. L. Edwards
Commr of Pensions
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Irving Hotel Oct 1st 1850.
Dear Sir
I had the honor to present
letters to you, on Thursday last, from
Col Jeff Davis (introductory) and Gov
Dickinson, asking immediate attention
 to the claim of J. Lee Moore,
Son of Major Moore of the Revolution.
You made a memorandum
on a slip of paper, and directed
your messenger to ask Mr Ames
to find the papers. Mr Ames did not
get the memorandum, though the
papers were at once found by Mr
Ames this morning, to wit the 
declaration of the claimant, with several
affidavits properly authenticated and
a letter from Danl Webster Secy of
State, clearly proving the service-
Gov Dickson went away last
evening, owing to the imminent
illness of his son, and asked me
to attend to the case at once. Truly Yours,
W. Grandin
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Pension Office
September 26 1850
Sir
In reply to your letter in relation
to the application of J. L Moore of New 
York who claiming a pension in right of his 
mother Rebecca Moore, widow of
Thomas L Moore of the Revolution, I have
the honor to inform you that we have no 
evidence of the papers in the case having ever
reached this office.
I have the honor to be
Very respectfully
Your Mo Ob’t Sv’t
J. L. Edwards
Commissioner
by B. Hooe

no declaration on file

D.S. Dickinson
U S Senate
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Papers

Declaration of J.L. Moore - 64 years
in right of mother
Rebecca Moore, Decd
Widow of Major Moore
Revolution 0 
Letter from Sec of State
Danl Webster - 
Several affidavits.


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Pension Office,
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SIR:
To relieve this office in some measure from a most laborious correspondence, this circular is published; and I now send it to you, not only in reply to your inquiry, but with a view of affording you
information which will, in all probability, save you the trouble of addressing other inquiries to this office.
All claims are taken up in the order in which they are received here. Reports, in writing, are made
to the persons who transmit or present the papers. But as claimants are often uneasy, if their claims
are not immediately attended to, it very frequently happens that in a short time after papers are sent to
the Department, letters are sent to urge immediate attention. This course, so far from expediting an
investigation, retards it, because it increases the labor of those who are employed here, and, in numerous
instances, occasions mistakes, and consequently dissatisfaction to the parties concerned. It is, therefore,
respectfully requested that every applicant will wait a reasonable time before making application to know
what has been done in relation to his or her claim. But should any reason exist for supposing that
unnecessary delay has taken place, or that the papers have been lost or destroyed, and the claimant, or
the attorney employed, should deem it proper to ask information, this letter will be sent with a brief answer
written on the margin.
The rules of this Department forbid my giving such information respecting military service as is
frequently sought. If in any case, however, information is asked as to the service of a particular individual, for the purpose of substantiating a claim not to be presented to the executive offices at the seat of
Government, and the regiment, company, and line to which the claimant belonged, be clearly set
forth, as well as the rank which he held, the necessary proof will be furnished, if within the reach of the
Department, and not incompatible with the regulations. In some cases, applicants for pensions, before
transmitting their papers, ask for information in order to assist them in preparing their claims. In such
cases information is generally withheld, for very obvious reasons. But there may be a few cases in which
information may be afforded to claimants before they make an effort to perfect their claims. Some persons
may be so situated that they may find it impracticable to procure the testimony of any living witness, and
may resort to the Department for information. If such persons should seek information, they must make
a declaration under oath, and so describe the service performed, as to enable the Department to effect
the necessary search of the rolls, books, or records of this office, when all proper aid will be afforded
them in bringing their claims to a due investigation, and they will be informed whether or not the office
contains such proof as will tend to establish their claims; but the answer conveying such information
will not specify the service which the rolls may contain.
Supposititious cases are very often stated to this office, and information asked as to the construction
of certain acts, when no benefit whatever can be derived to any one from answers to such inquiries.
To put a stop to such unnecessary correspondence, it is sufficient to say, that it is out of our power to
bestow time in answering inquiries of this nature. But where an individual has a claim of a doubtful
character, and first wishes information for his guidance, before subjecting himself to the expense of
taking evidence, if the individual be named, and all the facts connected with the case be clearly set
forth, the party will be informed as to the course most advisable to pursue.
Much solicitude is often manifested by pensioners when they remove from the limits of one agency
to those of another, and apply to have a change in the place of payment. On their making proper application, according to the prescribed rules, steps are taken to make the necessary arrangements for a
transfer. It cannot, however, be immediately effected, because we have to wait in most cases, till
can hear from distant agents, from whom information is derived as to the time to which the pensioner
was last paid.
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In every case where an inquiry is made relative to claims sent here by mail, or deposited by persons at the seat of Government, particular care should be taken to describe the case. The name of the individual who claims must be given; and, if a widow, the name of her husband also; the service the officer or soldier performed - whether in the Army, Navy, or Militia, and whether for pension or land - whether during the Revolutionary war, the war of 1812, or the Mexican war, as also the regiment and company to which the officer or soldier belonged. This is indispensably necessary in all cases, in order to enable us to lay our hands on particular cases inquired for. If in neither of those wars, the particular period when the service was performed must be mentioned. The name of the person who sent the papers to the pension office, the time when they were sent, and from what particular post office, must also be given.
Papers in support of claims to land must invariably be drawn up separately from all other claims. The neglect of claimants and their agents to observe this rule has been productive of great inconvenience and loss of time to the parties interested, as well as to the office. This rule applies with equal force to papers in support of pension claims.
Persons frequently transmit papers to this office without any letter showing by whom they are sent. All such papers will hereafter be placed on our files, and there remain until the necessary inquiries be made by the parties concerned. This rule is found to be necessary to prevent frauds as well as mistakes. All correspondents are requested to be particular in writing their names legibly, and to give the name of the post office or post town to which they wish answers to be addressed.
I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
Commissioner of Pensions.
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14.202
Rebecca Moore, deceased
Widow of Thomas L
N. Y.
Let Col W Gardiner 15th Oct 1856

This claim must not be admitted before
 the Commissioner of Pensions examines 
the case himself
Let to Dist Atty Apl 21, 18[5]1
See as to same Jan 10/57

X
Thomas Johnston
Oct 26, 1837
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Pension Office
September 24 1850
Sir
In reply to your note respecting
J L Moore, the the nature whose
claim not having been given, I have
the honor to respectfully refer you to 
the first paragraph of the second page
of the enclosed printed sheet, and so
soon as the desired information is
attained, will give the consideration
Requested.

I have the honor to be
Very Respectfully
Your Mo Ob’t Sv’t
J.L. Edwards Com’r
by J.D. Wilson

Hon D. S. Dickinson
U S Senate
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Washington, D.C.
Sept. 9th 1850
Sir, 
I had the honor a few days since of forwarding
 you the declaration of Joseph L. Moore,
of New York, claiming a pension under the Acts of July
4th 1836 & 7th July 1838, due his late mother Mrs
Rebecca Moore, widow of Major Thomas Moore.
In my letter I remarked that I had succeeded
after a diligent examination, (see letter from Hon
Daniel Webster,) at the State Department in
finding the said Major Moore’s services in the
Revolution. When I first received the declaration
in this case, I informed Mr Crossey, that it would
be necessary to prove by record a documentary
evidence the service, also the period of marriage
identity, and the date of the death of Mrs Rebecca
Moore, and unless each requisition could
be sustained, that it would be useless to prosecute
 or present the claim.
I have just received the enclosed papers viz:
Certificate of Judge Avery before whom the declaration
was made as to the age of Joseph L. Moore, 
affidavit of Peter Demarest, believed to be a pensioner Act 7th June 1832, 
affidavit of Lewis Hanford
“  of Harmon Schuyler
“  “John J. Ellison an Undertaker
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I am impressed with the belief that upon a
careful examination into the proofs in this case, that
they will be regarded as satisfactory by
your Department and I would be
most gratified of at this late day, should
i be the honored instrument in having afforded
to the relic of so meritorious an Officer,
who performed so much service in the Revolution,
 any aid towards obtaining the boon which a
grateful Country had awarded him, or to those
 surviving him.
I am Sir
With great respect
Your Obt Serv’t
Th. Lumpkin

Col. J. L. Edwards
Comm’r of Pensions
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Pension Office Washington City
8 Dec 1850
Sir
Mr Edwards my Predececssor in office
informs me that you are well acquainted with the case of Sarah Moore widow of Thomas Lloyd Moore who has made application for a pension. Can you state at what time she died?
Very respectfully
yours
Jas E. Heath
Jas Glentworth Esq
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1883 Nov. 6  B. Collins - children & heirs
not entitled to establish the right of a
soldier or his widow after their death
mention this case as rej’d & the soldier
died before a law passed giving Revy
Soldiers pensions

REJECTED
7351
P. O. 
Rebecca Moore

Service:

Papers sent for prosecution

Enlisted:
Discharged:

Another Thos L Moore See rej’d 7355
Has no bearing on this case F

Application filed:
Alleges:
Re-enlisted:
Attorney:
P. O.
Recognized.
Contract.
Cert. of Dis.
Searched for
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Papers relative to Sarah Moore who is said to have died Aug. 20, 1826.
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Linden Oct 2d 1857

George C Whiting Esq

Dear Sir
I take the liberty of adressing a few lines unto you for a little information on the following subject it is thus an old lady of our neighborhood a daughter of an officer of the Revolutionary War has been wanting me to apply for what the law has allowed for the heirs of such men as her Father was for her. She is in very reduced circumstances and if it could be got for her I should say it be so.
She says he served both by land and sea during the whole of the war from the time he Joined the army until peace was concluded he held a Captains Commission his name was Thomas L or LL Moore. She was young at the time of his death, and he sometimes signed his name L and sometimes LL She thinks it stood for LLoyd Thos Lloyd Moore he was raised about West chester and after the war he moved to your State and died there now. the difficulty comes on some years before his death his houre caught fire and everything he had on earth was burned with it his papers and his old Regimental, or rather his uniform that he possessed so highly was all destroyed in the flames his friends wanted him to apply for a pension at that time as he was reduced to poverty he would not do it he said he got all he sought for and that was Liberty and that made him
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rich any where now I am so far I will tell you what i have done to begin with i wrote unto the Secretary of State telling him the story and got him to look the records if such a mans name was recorded there he was. Just having Harrisburg at the time and gave my letter unto a man of the name of J C Heylman a man that was well acquainted with the old records in Harrisburg and he sent me a letter stating that it was there on record So i give the old lady money to bear her expenses to go out to york state and she got this paper that accompany this letter you will understand it better than I do and if you think any thing can be done you will please to alert me what to do as i am utterly unacquainted with the matter but all i can do by your direction i am willing to do for the old lady you can see by her age what she is
73 Two men in york state applied for Capt Moore Pension or what ever was coming from government to him some years ago by false paper and hold nigh got it had not some of Moores old neighbours told on them and he had to fly the country else i would sent them to the penitentiary some clew might be got there by taking in it on receipt of this please do all you can and let me know how to proceed and i will remain yours respectfully
Thomas Johnston
Lender 
Lycoming Cty Pa
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Philadelphia December 13, 1850
James Heath Esq
Comm’r of Pensions
Dr Sir
Your form of the 11 inst is at hand
and in reply have to state that I called on Richard Willing Esq 
the Son in Law of Col Thomas Lloyd Moore and Sarah his wife who on reference to the family Bible informed me that Sarah Moore widow of Col Thomas Lloyd Moore of the Pennsylvania Line of the Revolutionary Army died at Philadelphia on the 20th day of August 1826 aged 60 years, 1 month & 15 days, and that Col Thomas Lloyd Moore died on the 31st day of August 1813 aged 54 years 7 months & 11 days.
Very respectfully
Your Most Ob’t Serv’t
James Glentworth