Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 19,494, Simon Veeder, New York
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(8-1776)

Service
New York

Veeder, Simon

Number
S.19,494.

carded
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24856 (page torn) [illegible] let to Sec. of War Jan. 3, 1840
(page torn on left side) New York
(Lt) H.H. Sylvester 14 Dec 1830
Simon Veeder
(M)ontgomery in the State of N. York
was a Qr [illegible](Master?) in the Company commanded
Captain Davis of the Regt commanded (b)y Col Fisher in the N. York line for 6 mo. 23 days as Qr Master 
5 months 11 days as Sergt


Inscribed on the Roll of New York (at)
the rate of 116 Dollars 43 Cents per annum,
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834.


Certificate of Pension issued the 13th day of Mar 1834 and sent
Hon C. McVean H.R


(page torn off) (to) the 4th of Mar 1834 $349:29
allowance ending 4th Sept 34 $58:21
(double underline equals)
$407:50

{Revolutionary Claim,}
{Act June 7, 1832.}
(page torn)ing Clerk,
ge  88
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State of New York          }
County of Montgomery }    ss.

On this Nineteenth day of September in the year of our Lord One thousand eight hundred and thirty-two, personally appeared in open Court, before the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas in and for said County now
sitting, Simon Veeder, a resident of the town of
Johnstown in said County, aged Eighty-four years and upwards, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832.
He was born in the (then township, now) City of Schenectady in said State, on the thirty first day of May in the year 1748 (old
style). The record of his age is contained in the Register of Baptisms in possession of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of said
City--  When called into the service of the United States in the revolutionary war, he was living in the village of Caughnawaga in the township of Johns town in the then County of Tryon, now County of Montgomery aforesaid--He has lived there since the revolutionary war, and lives there at this present time.
At the commencement of the war in the year 1775, he was enrolled in the company of militia commanded by Captain John Davis in the regiment where of Frederick Fisher was colonel. His other company and field officers whom he recollects, were Lieutenant Colonel Volkert Veeder, Major Blivens, & John Newkirk
Captain Davis being killed in the battle of Oriskany in the month of the of August 1777----
Abraham Veeder succeeded him in
the command of said company and he the said claimant served under sd(said) Captain - Abraham Veeder until the spring of the year 1781, when he received the appointment of Quarter Master
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in said regiment and served as such Quarter Master until the end of the revolutionary war. During the period of his service as Quarter Master, he performed garrison duty at the fortifications erected in said County of Tryon, which had to be constantly guarded by night as well as by day. He was also called out with his regiment, or detachments thereof as the exigencies of the times required, and
served in several military expeditions in defense of the frontiers. Previous to his entering upon the duties of Quarter Master
as aforesaid, his terms of service as a private of said company, were made up of various short tours. It is well known that there were divers disaffected persons and families residing at or near the different posts and passes within said County, who assisted the enemy and their savage allies, and often joined them in their predatory & murderous incursions on the inhabitants of said County. Detachments of militia were in consequence often ordered out. And what with service in these detachments, and in small reconnoitering parties he was on duty almost every day. The claimant's family, was among those unfortunates residing in the Valley of the Mohawk who suffered severely on several occasions from these incursions particularly in the year 1780, when the British troops under Sir John Johnson, devastated
the whole Mohawk Country, destroying men, cattle and crops~~ The applicant was in a battle at Johnston in Montgomery County under Col. Willett-- in several minor engagements-- and the applicant was also at the taking & surrender of Burgoyne
under the command of Col. Veeder.
The following are some of the regiments or companies with which
he served or which he recollects, and the names of some of the regular
officers whom he knew, or who were with the troops where he served, viz
Col Willett & his Regiment- Col. Volkert Veeder & his Regiment General Van Renssaeler(Rensselaer)
Captain Abraham Veeder and also Cat(Capt) Davis
He has no documentary evidence except his commission and
knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify
to his services except Myndert B Wemple
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His commission as Quarter Master was signed by Geo: Clinton
Governor of the State of New York and is hereunto annexed.
The following are the names of persons to whom he is
known in his present neighbourhood and who can testify as to his
character for veracity, and their belief of his services as a soldier
of the revolution: to wit, John Veeder & The Revd. Abraham Van
Horne---
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or 
annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on 
the pension roll of the agency of any State.
                                            Simon Veeder
Subscribed & sworn this}
day & year aforesaid}
Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk

We John Veeder  residing in the town of Johnstown-  and
The Revd Abraham Van Horn- 
residing in the same town & County- hereby
certify, that we are well acquainted with Simon Veeder, who has
subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be
Eighty four years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the
neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution,
and that we concur in that opinion. John Veeder, Abraham Van Horne [illegible]
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk
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And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the
investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed
by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a
Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further
certifies, that it appears to them that Abraham Van Horne who has signed
the preceeding certificate, is a Clergyman resident in the town of
Johnstown aforsd(aforesaid) that John Veeder who also has signed the same
is a resident in the said town-- and is a credible
person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, George D. Ferguson Clerk of the Court of
aforesaid------
do hereby certify that the
foregoing contains the original proceedings in the
matter of the application of Simon Veeder
for a pension.
In testimony whereof where of, I have hereunto
set my hand and seal of office, this 20th
day of September one thousand eight hundred
and thirty two.

Geo: D. Ferguson
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State of New York}
Montgomery County ss}
Myndart B Wemple of the town of
Johnstown in said County being sworn says that he was a soldier in the
army of the Revolution and does hereby certify that he was well acquainted with
Simon Veeder the person mentioned in the annexed declaration, during the
Revolutionary War and that this deponent has at the several times &
place mentioned by said applicant seen him in the service of the united States
as specific in his said declaration- that it was understood & the deponent
believes that the said Simon Veeder was in the several battles also specified
in his declaration which the deponent believes to be true and this deponent
is will(well) satisfied not only from personal observation but also from report
in the neighbourhood where deponent & the said applicant live that the said
applicant served during the revolutionary war for the time & in the manner
specified in his declaration hereto annexed & further this deponent with
that the said applicant served during the latter part of the Revolution in the
capacity of Quarter Master & further saith not-
                                                                  Myndart B Wemple

Subscribed & sworn this 19th day of}
September 1832}
in Open Court.}
Geo: D. Ferguson, Clerk


And the said Court do certify that Myndert B Wemple a
resident of the town of Johnstown in said County of
Montgomery: appears to be & is a person of truth and
entitled to credit- and that he has duly signed and
made the above affidavit
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and official
seal this 23d day of May 1833
R. H Cushney Deputy Clerk
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Whereas the Subscribers are children of Simon Veeder
deceased who was a Sergeant & Quartermaster in the
Army of Revolution and a Pensioner under the act
of 7th June 1832 and drew a Pension at the rate
of one hundred Sixteen dollars and forty three cents
per annum untill his death which occured
on the 18th day of December 1836, and it is now 
understood that he was entitled to greater annual allowance
of pension than he received to which his children and
now entitled
Now therefore we do hereby constitute
and appoint- Henry H Sylvester Esq of the City of
Washington D.C. our true and lawful attorney
for us and in our names to prosecuit(prosecute) one claim
for such increased pension before the proper 
department
at Washington Hereby ratifying and
confirming what our said attorney shall lawfully
do in the premises
Witness our hands and seals this 2nd day of
July 1850                              Simon Veeder
In presence of}                     Magdelen Wemple                                            
S. Belding}                            John S Veeder                  



State of New York}
County of Montgomery}
On this 2nd day of July 1850 before
the subscriber a Judge of the Court
of the County of Montgomery personally
appeared Simon Veeder Magdalena Wemple &
John S Veeder
above named & to me known
and acknowledged the above Power of Attorney to be thus
act and deed-
S. Belding & County
Judge of Montgomery
County & Counsellor in
the Supreme Court
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State of New York}
Montgomery County}  ss
At a Surrogates Court
held in and for the said
County of Montgomery State aforesaid on
the 2nd day of July 1850 at the Village
of Amsterdam in said County
personally appeared John S Veeder
Simon Veeder and Magdelan Wemple
residents of the town of Mohawk in said
County who being duly sworn according to
law do on their Oaths make the following 
declaration in order to obtain an increase of the
pension of Simon Veeder late of the town of
Mohawk in said County now deceased who
was a Pensioner under the act of Congress of the
7th June 1832
They declare that there(their) Father the said
Simon Veeder died in said town on the Eighteen
day of December in the year one thousand Eight
hundred and thirty six that at the time of his
death he was a Pensioner under the act of
June 7, 1832 at the rate of one hundred and 
Sixteen dollars & forty three cents per annum
that as these declarants believe he was a Sergeant
and Quarter Master in the Revolutionary Army
and was Entitled to a greater annual 
allowance of pension than he received in his life time
These Declarant also say that there(their) Father
the said Simon Veeder left no widow and that the
following named persons are his only
children now living to wit John S. Veeder
Simon Veeder and Magdelan Wemple all residents
of said town of Mohawk in the County of 
Montgomery aforesaid and these Declarants
in behalf of themselves as the Children of
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of the said Simon Veeder now living claim the
allowance of such increased pension as may
appear due to them as such children for the
services of the said Father as Sergeant and
Quarter Master in the Revolutionary War

Sworn to & Subscribed}         Simon Veeder
on the day and year first}       Magdalen Wemple
above written before me}       John S Veeder
S. Belding 
County Judge


State of New York}
Montgomery County}

At a Surrogates Court
held in and for said
County of Montgomery
aforesaid on the 2nd day
of July 18%0 personally appeared James
Quackenbush & [illegible](David) B Wemple
who being
both duly sworn according to law did on
their oaths depose and say, that they were
personally acquainted with Simon Veeder
late of the town of Mohawk in said
County of Montgomery now deceased, that the
said Simon Veeder was at the date of his
death a Revolutionary Pensioner of the
United States under the act of 7th June 1832
that the said Simon Veeder pensioner 
aforesaid died at said town of Mohawk in
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in the County of Montgomery aforesaid
on the Eighteenth day of December in the year
one thousand Eight hundred and thirty six
that he left no widow, and that the forecoming
named persons are his only children now
living towit John S. Veeder Simon Veeder and
Magdalena Wemple all of whom are residents
of said town of Mohawk County aforesaid and
are over the age of twenty one years, that the
per annum allowance which the said Simon
Veeder Pensioner aforesaid received was one
hundred Sixteen dollars and forty three cents
as deponents have been informed & believe'                                                                            
Sworn to and subscribed on the}
day & Year first above written before me}
S. Belding
                                         Jas(James) Quackenbush
                                         David B Wemple

State of New York}
County of Montgomery}  ss
I Samuel Belding [illegible]
Surrogate of the said County
of Montgomery the same being a Court of record
do hereby certify that satisfactory evidence has
been exhibited to said Court, that Simon Veeder
late of the town of Mohawk in said County died
in said town on the Eighteenth day of December
in the year one thousand Eight hundred
and thirty six that at the date of his death he
was a Pensioner of the United States at the rate
of our hundred and sixteen dollars and forty
three cents per annum, that he left no widow
and that the following named persons are
his only children now living to wit John S.
Veeder Simon Veeder and Magdalena Wemple
all of whom reside in said town of Mohawk
(last line of previous page-
(in behalf of themselves as the Children of)
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County of Montgomery aforesaid each of whom
is over twenty one years of age
I further certify that the facts above stated
are proved to the satisfaction of said Court by the
testimony of James Quackenbush & D[illegible](David)
 B
Wemple hereunto
annexed and who are credible witnesses

In testimony whereof I have hereto subscribed
my name and affixed the Seal of the Surragates 
Court of Montgomery County
this 2nd day of July AD. 1850
S. Belding   J County
Judge of Montgomery
County
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September 3-1936

Garrit S. Veeder-S.7792
Simon Veeder-S.19494
BA-J/AWF

Mrs. Willard Hall Veeder
1920 South Avenue
Rochester, New York

Dear Madam:
The data furnished herein pertaining to Garrit  S.
Veeder were obtained from papers on file in pension
claim, S. 7792, based upon his service in the War of
the Revolution.
Garrit S. Veeder was born July 4, 1751 (old style)
in Schenectady, New York. The names of his parents
were not stated.
While a resident of said Schenectady, Garrit
S. Veeder was appointed sometime in July, 1775, first
lieutenant in Captain John Mynderse's company, Colonel
Abraham Wemple's New York regiment, and was commissioned,
March 1, 1776, captain of the fourth company in Colonel
Cornelius D. Wynkoop's New York regiment; he was at
the taking of Burgoyne, and continued in the service
until the close of the war.
He was allowed pension on his application executed
October 18, 1832, at which time he was a resident
of Rotterdam, Schenectady County, New York. He died
February 18, 1836.
On February 26, 1855, C. M. Northrup, writing
from Chattanooga, Tennessee, referred to Captain
Garret S. Veeder of Schenectady, New York, War of the
Revolution, as "my grandfather by marriage".
In order to obtain the name and address of the
person paid the last payment of pension of the pen-
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2-
sioner, Garret S. Veeder, you should apply to the
Comptroller General, General Accounting Office,
Records Division, Washington, D. C., and give the
following data-
Garret S. Veeder (as he was pensioned)
Certificate #14364
Issued May 21, 1833
Rate $480.00 per annum
Commenced March 4, 1831
Act of June 7, 1832
New York Agency.
******************
Simon Veeder-S.19494
The data which follow were obtained from papers
on file in pension claim, S. 19494, based upon the
service of Simon Veeder in the Revolutionary War.
Simon Veeder was born May 31, 1748 (old style)
in Schenectady, New York. The names of his parents
were not given. His age was recorded in the "Register
of Baptisms" of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church
of Schenectady. His family was residing in the Mohawk
Valley during the Revolution and suffered many hardships,
particularly in the year 1780, when the British
under Sir John Johnson devastated the "whole Mohawk
Country".
While a resident of Caughnawaga, Township of Johnstown,
Tryon (later Montgomery) County, New York, Simon
Veeder enlisted early in June, 1775, served at various
times as a sergeant in Captain John Davis' company,
Colonel Frederick Fisher's New York regiment, did garrison
duty at several forts and was in frequent expeditions
in defense of the frontiers, Captain John Davis
was killed at the battle of Oriskany, after which the
company was commanded by Captain Abraham Veeder; he was
at the surrender of Burgoyne under Lieutenant-Colonel
Volkert Veeder; he was appointed sometime in July, 1780
Quartermaster to Colonel Frederick Fisher's regiment,
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3-
but did not receive his commission as quartermaster until
March 8, 1781; he was in both battles of Johnstown, and
in many alarms and scouting parties, continued in the
service until the close of the war.
Simon Veeder was allowed pension on his application
executed, September 19, 1832, at which time he was a
resident of Johnstown, Montgomery County, New York. He
was then referred to as Judge Simon Veeder. He died
December 18, 1836 in the town of Mohawk, Montgomery
County, New York.
He left no widow, name of his wife is not given.
The following were his surviving children in 1850-
Simon Veeder, John S. Veeder, and Magdalen Wemple, all
of the town of Mohawk.
John Veeder was living in 1832 in Johnstown, New York;
Myndert B. Wemple in 1832 was a resident of said
Johnstown; and Daniel B. Wemple in 1850 was of Montgomery
County, New York. They all stated that they
were well acquainted with the soldier, Simon Veeder,
during the Revolution, but no relationship was shown,
nor was it stated the the Captain Abraham Veeder and the
Lieutenant-Colonel Volkert Veeder under whom he served
were relatives.

Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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July 17 /50
Declaration for Incrpen:
Case of Simon Veeder, decd
June 7. 1832.


Hon J L Edwards
Comm Pensions
Washington City DC

W Allison
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24,856
Simon Veeden
N. Y.
a[illegible]
Act 7 June 32
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State of New York
Monty. County
---
In the matter of
the application of
Simon Veeder for
a pension under the
act of 7 June
1832
--
Supplemental office 
[illegible]it or declaration
with the accompanying
certificate


Hon.  W. McVean
H R
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State of New York}
County of Montgomery} ss

In the matter of the application}
Simon Verder for a pension}
under the act of 7 June 1832}

Supplemental affidavit
And the aforesaid Simon Veeder being
further duly sworn deposeth and saith that ┃
by reason of extreme old age and the loss of memory
consequent thereon he cannot swear positively
as to the precise length of his services as
aforesaid nor can he state more particularly
than he has done in his affidavits heretofore made
and in this supplemental affidavits, under
a [illegible] officers he served, the duration of each
term of his engagements and the particular place
or places where his said services were performed
But according to the best of his recollection he
served not less than the periods mentioned-
below in the following grades, under the following
named officers and at the following places
to wit.
In the grade of a Sergeant in the aforesaid company
commanded by Captain John Davis
aforesaid in Colonel Frederick Fisher('s) Regiment
in General Herkimer Brigade of Infantry this
deponent served from the time of his appointment
as aforesaid to wit from the begining(beginning)
of the month of June in the year 1775
until (if this deponents memory serves him
right) to the month of July 1780 when
this deponent was promoted to the rank of
Quarter-Master as hereinafter set forth. In
regard to the officers under whom this deponent
served during said term of more than five
years, he would state as he has more fully done
in his last affidant hereto annexed that said
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John Davis was killed in the battle of Oriskany
(which took place on the 6th day of August 1777)
and the command of said company
then decided an Captain Abraham Veeder
who continued such captain until the year
1780 during said term this deponent besides
performing garrison duty engaged in numerous
short tours, the particular periods of which it is
impossible for him to state owing to his want
of recollection. The principal expicertions(expeditions) in
which he engaged were as near as he can recall
at them as follows.
This deponent marched with said company
and Regiments under his officers aforesaid in
the month of January 1776 (deponent thinks
it was in the month of January of that year)
to the Valley of Johnstown, to attack Sir John Johnson
& forces then and there under his command
General Schuyler with his brigade was in company
& had the command of the american forces in
said Expedition and when we arrived at
the Vallaye(Valley) of Johnstown, the said Sir John Johnson
and forces laid down their arms and surrender
to General Schuyler and the troops under his
command. In this tour of service this deponent
was out and engaged in the service of his country
for at least the term of one week.
1 week(in left hand margin)
This deponent further says that in June of 
the year 1776 according to the best of this deponent's
recollection he marched with said company
and Regiment under the authority &
command of his officers aforesaid up the Mohawk
river to one William Bellinger, (thinks his name
William Bellinger) about two miles west of what
is usually called Frose, or Garoga Creek and were
stationed there to guard and protect the place
and necessity against the Enemy who were
harrassing the people in that quarter and committing
depredations upon them, and deponent's
tour of service in this engagement & at this time
was at least Eight days
8 days(in left hand margin)
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--15
this deponent further says that in July 1776
according to the last of deponent's recollection
the company to which this deponent belonged
as aforesaid was closed by order of Captain Davis  
and a draft made for four months and
deponent drew last or in other words was drafted
and deponent then had a substitute by the
name of Amos French to whom deponent paid
Thirty Two dollars to serve as deponent's substitute
that said French was accepted as such substitute
and served said four months in the defence of
his country faithfully and honestly as deponent
was informed at the time & fully believes but
under what officers he served and when deponent
cannot now recollect, said French is dead and
died as long as forty years ago.
This deponent further says that in the fall
of the year of 1776 the particular month deponent
cannot recollect this deponent was statetoned(stationed?)
at the Valley of Johnstown with his company
and regiment aforesaid and therefor
formed duty under his aforesaid officers in guarding
& protecting the place against the incursions
of the enemy for a term exceeding twenty days.
-20 dys(in left hand margin)
This deponent further says that he marched
with his said company under his officers
aforesaid on or about the first day of august
1777 to the relief of the garrison at Fort Stanwix
(or Febuary as) which was at and this time
invested by  St. Leger's army but this deponent
was not in the Battle which was [illegible] but on
this occasion at Oriskany but in consequence
of the bloody fluse he was left by order of his
Captain aforesaid at Herkimer orders
way to said fort. In this expedition he was
-10 dys(in left hand margin)
absent from Johnstown at least Ten days
& remanent continued [illegible] with said
-45(with line drawn, in left hand margin)
disorder after his return home to Johnstown
aforesaid at last Twenty days being unable
to work or to do any service for said twenty days.
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*45
This deponent further says that in
the latter part of the summer of 1777 or
the forepart of the fall of that year this 
deponent marched with a detachment
from his said Regiment under the 
command of Lieutenant Colonel Volkert Veeder
& his other officers aforesaid to Saratoga and
at that place and the other military posts
in that vicinity performed duty in the
field, serving with the american troops
during the northern campaign of that year
which eventuated in the surrender of
Burgoyne & his army to wit for a term
*20 dys
exceeding Twenty days.
This deponent further says that some
time in June of the year 1778 deponent
thinks it was about that time, according to
the best of his recollection he marched under the
last mentioned officers company &
regiment to Bowman's Hill & their performed
garrison duty or mounted guard for
*2 weeks
*14
a term of exceeding two weeks and from
thence deponent marched with said company
& under same officers to Juper Hill guarding
and protecting the inhabitants of said
Tryon County from the incursions of the enemy
and from thence we marched with
said company as aforesaid to [illegible] protecting
the inhabitants from the in roads of the enemy
as aforesaid and in this last mentioned tour
*79
to Juper Hill & [illegible] as aforesaid
he served at least Twenty one days.
*21dys
This deponent further says that during the same
year 1778 the particular time of the year deponent
cannot recollect, deponent marched to Mayfield
when he was detailed with others to perform fatigue
duty & was besides mounting guard engaged in the erection of fortifycations. This term service was performed under the same
officers
you named & lasted at least two weeks. Said Tryon County
*2 weeks
*111
& particularly
that part of it where deponent lived as is abundantly proved by the 
history of those days was constantly exposed to the incursion from
the enemy as 
especially that portion of the enemy designated as

(*written in the left hand margin)
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*114
Tories and Indians. To guard against these incursions the
services of his said company as well as of the whole military
force of said County, were in constant requisition, at the
several military posts and passes along the wide borders
of said County. This County being at that time the only
one west of Albany County in the whole State of New York
This deponent performed his quarter of duty in mounting
guard at these posts & passes and in repelling the 
incursions of the Enemy from time to time made. But as
nothing more than usual occurred on these occasions
and this deponent made no memorandum thereof
and more than half a century has elapsed since these
events occurred, he cannot specify the days & periods
of service. But this deponent unequivocally declares
that the whole period of his active service as Sergeant
as aforesaid during said five years and upwards
*(1 y 5 m)
exceeds one year and six months [illegible]. The
services of said substitute as aforesaid.
The same remarks as to dates periods and terms
of services are applicable to the services of this deponent
as hereinafter specified. This deponent
was appointed a Quarter-Master he thinks in
the month of July 1780, in the aforesaid Regiment
of Colonel Frederick Fisher. Immediately upon
his receiving the appointment of Quarter master
as aforesaid he served as such Quarte- Master
until the end of said war. He did not however
receive his commission (which is hereunto
annexed) until the month of March 1781. The
principal expeditions in which he engaged in
his capacity of Quarter Master as aforesaid, were
as near as he can recollect them as follows. This deponent
with a detachment from said Regiment
marched to Fort Plain in the latter end of July or
forepart of August of the year 1780 and from thence
to Fort Plank about two miles above Fort Plain in
same tour of service, doing military duty in guarding

*(written in left hand margin)
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*174
and protecting the country at said places and
in the vicinity of those places. An attack from the
British forces being constantly expected and this
deponent served while in said expedition to Fort
Plain and Fort Plank for a term exceeding Twelve
days.
*12 dys
This deponent further says that in the month
of October of the year 1780 deponent as such quarter
master with his Regiment aforesaid, then under the
command of Col Volkert Veeder (Col. [illegible](Vissaher?)
having been scalped by the Indians in the month
of May previous,) with the militia from Claverack
Albany Schenectady & other places under the
command of General Van Rensselaer, pursued
the Enemy under the command of Sir John
Johnson from Caughnawaga in the then County
of Tryon( I believe the County was then called Tryon)
to Stone Arabia and from thence to Judge Nellis
in said County, about seven miles above Stone 
Arabia and those we had a battle or skirmish with
the enemy about sundown, in which the american
forces had but one man wounded, by the
name of Harper, brother to Col. Harper & Judge
Harper and what damage the enemy received
deponent does not know, night comming(coming) on
soon ended the skirmish. The next morning
we found the enemy had left the ground and
crossed the Mohawk River in full flight, having
left a field piece behind, which the american
forces then and there took into their possession
deponent with the american forces under the
command of the last named officer Col Veeder
& General Rensselaer as aforesaid, then crossed
said River and again went in pursuit of
the Enemy to Herkimer & from thence to the Unadilla
River and crossed said last mentioned river

*(written in left hand margin)
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and then and there we met our advanced
party on their return, who mentioned
that the enemy were so far in advance of
our troops that it would be folly to pursue
them any further as they could
not be [illegible]. Then the american
troops returned to Herkimer when we
lay a short time and from thence deponent
went with his company & Regiment
returned home in the month of
November of said year and in this
last expedition deponent served his 
country as such Quarter master as aforesaid
*20 dys
for the term of at least Twenty Days. In
this last expedition the Battle was fought
at Stone arabia in which Colonel Brown
was killed if I mistaken not was on the 19th day 
of October 1780 on which
day & just after said Battle deponent
with the american troops under the command
of Col Veeder & Gen Van Rensselaer as
aforesaid arrived at said place & then pursued
the enemy as before particularly stated.
This deponent further says that in the
latter part of November & in December of
the year 1780 deponent & some others
belonging to the Regiment of Colonel
Veeder and under his directions built a
black house a little above the Village of
Caughnawaga for the defence of the country
and deponent was engaged in
building said  Black house at least one
*15 dys
month and fifteen days. In which Black house
troops were immediately afterwards state
ordered by Colonels Livingston Willet and
*161
*150  
Veeder, sometimes by afsaid(aforesaid) Colonels &
sometimes by the other of them, from or
about the finishing of said Black house

*(written in left hand margin)
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*5.11 [illegible]
to the end of the year 1781 and this deponent
further says that in the year 1781 from some
time in the month of February or March
to the first of October of same year this
*to 17 Apl
deponent as such Quarter-master and by 
the orders of
the said Colonel Livingston & Colonel Willet
as deponent
thinks and by the order of Colonel
*4.13
Veeder of which deponent is certain had the
command of the the troops stationed at said
Black House and in this service deponent
was engaged as aforesaid in the defence of
the Country and previous to the Battle which
was fought at Johnstown in the fall of
said year for the term of at least six months.
*6 mo.
This deponent further says that in
month of October 1781 by the order
of Colonel Willet this deponent in the
[illegible](absence?) of Colonel Veeder ordered out his
Regiment and marched with other troops
under the Command of Colonel Willet to the Village of Johnstown and than [illegible] at the
enemy under the Command of Major [illegible] and a Battle was fought on the [illegible]a little
north of said Village in which the american troops were Victorious and the enemy retreated and we pursued into Herkimer county and after which deponent returned said Battle was fought on the 25th day of October 1781 and deponent served in this expedition last aforesaid exceeding Ten days
*10 dys
This deponent further says that in the month
of May-of the year 1782 deponent thinks it was in that month, a draft was held in the company to which deponent belonged and it fell to deponent and deponent hired one John Brame as deponent's substitute and
to when deponent paid about forty

*(written in left hand margin)
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dollars, the draft was for Nine month and
said Brame was accepted as such substitute
and served faithfully for said time being
nine months, as this deponent has been
informed and believes but under what officers
said Brame served and in what company and 
when deponent cannot recollect said
Brame's service as such substitute [illegible](commenced?)
in the month of May of 1782 and ended in 9 
months thereafter said Brame did about thirty years [illegible]
This deponent further says that in his capacity of Quarter master as aforesaid he performed military
*1 mo
duty at Caughnawaga in the year of 1782 for at the least one month and in the year of 1783 for at the least one month and much longer in [illegible] last 
*1 mo
mentioned years but deponent cannot state
*6.23 Ry Quarter Master
particulars and when deponent was not out in military excursions or was not engaged in mounting guard this deponent discharged the duties of his office in regulating the quarters of the soldiers of his Regiment and the whole period for which he thus actively employed in guarding the lives of Tryon county and in regulating the quarters of the soldiers of his said Regiment during the years of 1780, 1781, 1782, & 1783 exceeds Two years besides the [illegible] time served by his substitute as last aforesaid and for the aforesaid period of active service as a Sergeant for at least Eighteen months besides the service as aforesaid 
[illegible] by my said substitute Amos French. This (applicant?) claims a pension. 

Simon Veeder

Subscribed and sworn-}
to this 29- day of January}
1834   Before me
Abrm Morrell
First Judge of
Montgomery County Courts

*written in left hand margin
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State of New York
Montgomery County ss   I Abraham Morrell
First Judge of Montgomery County
Courts do hereby certify that Simon Veeder took
and subscribed the foregoing supplemental
affidavit on the 29 day of January 1834 at
Johns Town County and State aforesaid, that I
have examined (words crossed out) investigated the same
and do hereby declare it as my opinion
that the said Simon served as he therein states
and I do further certify that I am personally
acquainted with the said Simon Veeder and
have been so acquainted with him for better than
Twenty five years last part, that he is a
Gentleman of strict integrity and veracity
and that such has always been his general
and character during the time of my acquaintance
with him as aforesaid and that
implicit faith and confidence ought to be
reposed in his aforesaid statement and
I do further certify that he is reputed and believed
in the neighborhood where he resides to have
been a revolutionary solder(soldier) and served as 
Sergeant and Quartermaster in said war and
that I concur in that opinion and for further
certify that the said Simon Veeder
cannot from bodily infirmity attend Court.  Given
under my hand this 29th day of January 1834
at the town of Johnstown aforesaid

Abm Morrell First Judge of
Montgomery County Courts
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State of New York}
Montgomery County}  ss
Clerk office}

I, George D. Ferguson, Clerk
of the County of Montgomery aforesaid; do hereby
certify that
Abraham Morrell, before whom
the annexed supplemental declaration of
Simon Veeder purports to have been sworn, was
on the date thereof First Judge of Montgomery
County Courts: And that I am well acquainted with
his hand writing & verily believe that his
name subscribed thereto and to the annexed
Certificate of Character of the said Simon Veeder
is Genuine. 

In testimony whereof I have hereunto
set my hand and affixed the Seal of
my office this 29th, January 1834.

Geo: D. Ferguson
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State of New York
Montgomery County  ss    Simon [illegible](Veeder) [illegible](of Johns)town
County and State aforesaid being duly sworn deposed
says that he is the applicant in the annexed papers
named that he is as appointed Sergeant in the year
1775 in a company commanded by Captain John
Davis in Col. Frederick Fishers Regiment in General
Herkimer's Brigade of [illegible](Infantry?), that deponent served
as such Sergeant in said Company from the time of
appointment as aforesaid which was on or about
the 1st day of June in the year 1775 and under the said
Capt John Davis in said Regiment and Brigade until the battle of Oriskany which was on the 6th day of August
1777 in which Battle the said Captain John Davis was
killed and during said period deponent was in the service
against the common enemy & the Indians
on [illegible] in scouting parties, and stationed from
place to place in the County of Montgomery by the
commander and orders of the said Captain guarding &
protecting the country against the incursions in[illegible]
and [illegible] of the common Enemy Indians and tories,
deponent [illegible] marched with said
company on his way to Oriskany when said Battle
was fought but was not actually in said engagement
in consequence of a bloody [illegible] and by orders
of his Captain was left at Herkimer on their way up. 
In 1776 during said period deponent was stationed
in the Village of Johnstown with said company
& Regiment. That immediately upon the death
of Captain Davis the command of said company
fell upon Captain Abraham Veeder who 
commanded said company until the year 1780 and
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during the period last aforesaid namely from
the oath of Capt Davis in August 1777 to the year
1780 deponent served as a Sergeant in said company
under the said Capt Veeder, that during said last
period namely in the fall of 1777 deponent went
to Saratoga under the command of Col or rather
Lieutenant Col Volkert Veeder and deponent was there
at the surrender of Burguyine(Burgoyne?) in the service  
of his County(Country) as such Sergeant doing his duty in all [illegible](respect?)
as a faithful Sergeant & soldier in his county's service
in 1778 with the last mentioned officers company
and Regiment deponent went to [illegible] (Hill?)
and was stationed there for some weeks-
& from 
then to [illegible] Hill guarding & protecting this
Country against the ravages of the common Enemy
and in the year last aforesaid went to Mayfield
in Montgomery county built a Black house &
when stationed there about two weeks during
duty as aforesaid and during the period last 
aforesaid from 1777 in August to 1780 was about
with the company & regiment under said officers
from place to place guarding protecting and defending
the Country against the British tories & Indians
who were surrounding us almost on every side and
in the most imminent danger of my life. In 1780
thinks in July of that year deponent was appointed
quarter Master in Col Fisher,s Regiment but
deponent did not actually receive his commission
untill March 1781 but deponent did duty as 
quarter master as aforesaid from the time of his appointment
as such till the time of the recipt of
his commission as such as aforesaid as well
as afterwards to the close of the [illegible] and while dep.(onent-on next page)
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(from previous page-dep)onet was quarter Master as aforesaid was with a part of said company
stationed at Fort plain and Fort
plank in 1780 deponent,s house Barn Mills
Brewery was burnt and warrant and destroyed by the Indians
tories and British they likewise destroyed 
my tannery and Vats Hides Cattle sheep grain and took
four Valuable horses of deponent and
deponent escaped death very narrowly with his life under a
discharge of more than one hundred guns at deponent. deponent further says that in the whole periods
of his service as aforesaid he served as Sergeant and quarter master 
and not as a private any part of
the time from 1775 to 1780 he served as a sergeant as aforesaid &
from 1780 to the end of the
revolutionary war as quarter master as aforesaid and during both periods as aforesaid
against the common Enemy
And this deponent further says that by reason
of old age and the consequent loss of memory 
he cannot swear possitively(positively) as to the precise length of his service
but according to the best of his recollection
he served not less than the periods mentioned
below and in the following grades: For Five years and two months at the least I served as a 
Sergeant.
For three years and four months at the least I served as quarter master and deponent for the cause aforesaid 
cannot give a more perticular history of his services marches stations &c(etc?) and makes this
[illegible](application?) as supplimental(supplemental) to his declaration already made and here to attached and
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for such services I claim a pension
subscribed & sworn to this}
23 day of May 1833}
Simon Veeder

[illegible] [illegible] Abm(Abraham) Morrell First Judge of the County of Montgomery

I certify that Simon Veeder who subscribed the (above?)
affidavits is a credible person
and that full faith and credence is due to his
statement as such.
May 23, 1833
Abm(Abraham) Morrell First Judge of the
County of Montgomery

State of New York}
Montgomery County}
Clerks Office  ss}
I Richard H Cushney Deputy Clerk in the
absence of George D. Ferguson Clerk of
the County of Montgomery do certify that
Abraham Morrell Esquire who has
Subscribed the Jurat to the above affidavit
and also the above certificate was at the date of the same
First Judge of the County of Montgomery and duly authorized
to take affidavits &c and further that I am well acquainted
with the handwriting of the said Judge and verily believe
the signatures to the said affidavit and also to the said certificate
are genuine
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand &
affixed my official seal this 23rd day of May 1833
R H Cushney Dep Clk
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(what is written as to be an 'f' was common at the time, to stand for a "long s", has been changed to that s.)

19494
The People of the STATE of NEW - YORK,
By the Grace of GOD, FREE and INDEPENDENT;
To Simon Veeder Gentleman   GREETING.
We reposing especial Trust and Confidence, as well in your Patriotism, Conduct and Loyalty,
as in your Valour and Readiness to do us good and [illegible]l Service; HAVE appointed and constituted, and by these Presents, Do appoint and constitute you the said Simon Veeder
Quarter Master to the Regiment of Militia in the County of Tryon
whereof Frederick Fisher Esquire is Colonel ---
YOU are therefore, to take the said Regiment into your Charge and Care, as Quart. Master
thereof, and duly to exercise the Officers and Soldiers of that Regiment -- in Arms, who are hereby
commanded to obey you as their Quarter Master -- and you are [illegible](as so?) to observe and follow such Orders
and Directions, as you shall from Time to Time receive from our Gereral(General) and Commander in Chief of the
Militia of our said State, or any other your Superior Officer, according to the Rules and Discipline of War, in
Pursuance of the Trust reposed in you; and for so doing, This shall be YOUR COMMISSION, for and
during our good Pleasure, to be signified by our Council of Appointment. IN TESTIMONY whereof
we have caused our Seal for Military Commissions to be hereunto affixed. WITNESS our trusty and well beloved George Clinton Esquire our
Governor of our State of NEW-YORK, General and Commander
in Chief of all the Militia, and Admiral of the Navy of the same, by and with the Advice and Consent of our
said Council of Appointment, at Albany -- the Eight - Day of March-
in the fifth-- year of our INDEPENDENCE, and in the Year of our LORD, one
Thousand Seven Hundred and Eighty one

Passed the Secretary's Office, April 17th 1781.               Geo. Clinton
By His EXCELLENCY's Command,
Robt. Hayner  D.Y  Secretary.
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Adol proof for
Simon Veeder.
New York,
26. Dec. 1832,
-
No. 12.457.
"N.Y. [illegible]"
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Hon. Lewis Cass}
Secretary of War}
Sir,
Among the documents
to substantiate claims to pensions under the late
pension act, which I had the honor to forward
to your Department on the 22d inst is one of
Judge Simon Veeder numbered 14. He has
requested me to transmit to you the enclosed
Receipts under the impression that they may
furnish collateral evidence of his services as
Quarter Master. I send herewith, papers to
substantiate the claims of Martinus Becker
& John T. Leonardson of Montgomery County
N.Y. under said act, which applications are
numbered 16 & 17.

With the highest respect
Your most Obt Servt
Giles F Yates

Schenectady   Sep 24; 1832
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12457
Simon Veeder

Admitted
Regimental Quarter Master 6 mo & 23 days- $90.21
Serg[illegible](Sergeant?)     5 "     & 11 days   26.22
                                                                         116.43
5 mo 11 days Sergt 
6 "     23--      Rg Quarter (Master?)

d e


Hon. Mr.   McVean
                   H R.

G. F. Yates
Schenectady
N.Y.
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WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
July 26 1833
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has
been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of
your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and
the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed,
before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will shew what is
necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed,
you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: }). You will, when
you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and
you will, by compling with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your
claim.

A Statement, shewing the Service of Simon Veeder

Period when the
service was
rendered.

Duration of the
claimant's service.
Years.  Months. Days.

Rank of the claimant.

Names and rank of the Field officers
under whom he served.

Age at present,
and place of abode
when he entered
the service.

Proof by which the declaration is supported.

I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
J. L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.
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REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.

The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army,
and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia" and "volunteers," all
persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who
were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to
Store Keepers, &c, Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of private armed vessels are
also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged
in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
1. The Regular Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3. Persons employed in the Naval Service.
4. Indian Spies.
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons claiming
the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, mucicians or privates, will, in the first
instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of
Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is
considered a Court of Record.

DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of County}
On this      day of      personally appeared (a) before
A. B. a resident (b) of     in the county of    and State, Territory or District of   
aged (c)    years, who being first duly sworn, according to law doth on hos oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made
by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832.
That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d)    , with    and
served in the    (e) regiment of the     line, under the following named officers:

(Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served
under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the
town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged,
and the country through which he marched. This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons
who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he
declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of
the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.                   A. B.

[And then will follow the certificate of the Court:]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary
soldier, and served as he states.
I                                  of the Court of
do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of               for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this
day of           &c.

If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia,
except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and
subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the
and C. D. residing in (the same) 
hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with                          ,who has
subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be
years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier
of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the days and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after
putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary
Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A.B.
who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the
and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the
and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I,                        Clerk of the Court of              do hereby certify that the forgoing
contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of
for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal
of office, this    day of     &c.  
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if
possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services
of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light
upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, (l) and he will
also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful
in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
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alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person
will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal
means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted;
and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected.
All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County in which they reside, and
there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on accoun of
service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State
troops of Virginia.
1. Where and in what year were you born?
2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war
, and where do you now live?
4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute?
And if a substitute, for whom?
5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such
Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
6.{To a Soldier.{Did you ever receive a discharge from 
the service, and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it?
6.{Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what
10 an Oicer has become of it?
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify
as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are
requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court,
without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons--one of whom should be
the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from
their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed
and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion.
If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify to the character
and standing of other persons giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct
proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the
inquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court, by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before
required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper
county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform,
and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record,
or by a Justice of the Peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper
Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a
Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is
his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before
the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the
declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure
, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period
of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the
opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow
the rule laid down for his guidance.
The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not
conforming to the rule.
The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
The declarant must mention the person or periods of the war when he served.
very continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the
claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so
defnite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the
memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
sonally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason
of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his
That the petition, it is the following grades:--For---year----months, and ---
days, I served as and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law
the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months,
is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years
in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is
highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement;
the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority
; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil
pursuit
The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
The opinion of the Court is always required.
The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
The Clerk must his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no pubthe
seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the
papers.
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains
the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must
pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses
who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as
the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witand
signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in
note applies to continental troops only.
This traditionary sentence is indispensable in militia cases.
If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
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Montgy Co. Court

In the matter of the
application of Simon
Veeder for a pension

proceedings &c
12.457
Sworn


No 14
To the care of(crossed out?)
Giles F. Yates(crossed out?)
Schenectady N.Y.(crossed out?)
Hon. Mr.     McVean
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September 3, 1936


Mrs. Willard Hall Veeder
1920 South Avenue
Rochester, New York

BA-J/AWF

Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you
request information in regard to the following soldiers
of the Revolutionary War, all of the state of
New York- Gerrit Veeder, Gerrit N. Veeder, Albert
H. Veeder, and Simon Veeder. The surname was also
spelled Vedder.
Because of the great demand for Revolutionary War
data and the limited trained clerical force
available for furnishing such information, it is not
possible to comply in full with each request for
Revolutionary War data.
The records of Garret S. Veeder and Simon Veeder
are furnished herewith as found in claims for pension
based upon service in the Revolutionary War.

Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator

see her letter in
Garrit S. Veeder S.7792
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19494
INVALID.
File No.  19494
Simon Veeder
2[illegible] [illegible]  Rev. War

Act: June 7" 32
Index:--Vol. 2, Page 4[illegible](32?)
[Arrangement of 1870.}

1936- Sept 3 - list to Mrs. Willard
Hall Veeder  see her letter in
Garrit S. Veeder S. 7792   auy
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Simon Veeder
N.Y.   S.19494

6 Receipts

have been removed from this claim to be sent to the War Dept.

AW
June 30, 1910.

Sent to War Dept. Jan. 16, 1913