Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 7465, for John Schuneman, New York
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(3 - 1776)
SERVICE
New York

Schuneman, John
or
Shenneman
NUMBER
S.7465
carded
CONTENTS
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[Column 1]
 
1431
Albany New York
John Schenneman
of Greene Co. in the State of N York
who was a Private in the Compy commanded by 
by Captain Witbeck of the Regt commanded by Col Van Berger in the N York line for 7 mos & 3 days [illegible] $86.66

Inscribed on the Roll of Albany N York
the rate of 23 Dollars 67 Cents per annum,
commence on the 4th day of March, 1831

Certificate of Pension issued the 10th March
1821 [illegible]  
Arrears to the 4th of March 1842    $260.20
semi-annual allowance ending 4 jSept   11.83
 
-
Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832
 
Recorded by [illegible]. Clerk
Book E, Vol 4th Page [illegible]

John Schuman
Recorded corrected Sept 21, 1841

[column 2]
letter to pension agent.
Albany NY March 11 1842
same March 19th 1842
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19901
John Schuneman
N. Y.
may be allowed for
7 mo. 3 pri 

admd

1 mo. Ensign
23 " pri
24
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15 pri
 
8
1 
3
3
1 mo Ensn [illegible]
3 mo

$4.3 pr 1779
2.50
1.88 " 1780
o.oo  13.14
15.34 [illegible]
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WAR DEPARTMENT
Pension Office,
20 May 1833
Sir,
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has
been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of
your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and
the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed,
before a pension can be allowed. the notes and the regulations will shew what is
necessary to be done. These points to which your attention is more particularly directed,
you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: }). You will, when
you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and
you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your
claim.
 
A statement, showing the service of John Schuneman Greene Co

[chart] Period When the service was rend. / Duration of the
claimant's service years months days / rank of the claimant / Names and Rank of the Company officers under whom he served./
Names and Rank of the General and Field officers.
engaged./ Country through which he marched. / Place of abode
when he entered the service, and age at the present
period / Evidence by which the declaration is supported.

Spring '75 / not stated / ensgn / Maj Van brov Cap Witbeck / Col Van Bergen / / / 73 Greene Co N.Y. / Trady witnesses no certificate & two credible witnesses who sworn that he was in the R war

drafted '77 " " " /  none / / / Stillwater  Bemis Heights

In all more than 3 years part for [illegible] ensign  / Documentary ie his commission as Ensign

Recapitalation
for 77  / / 15 pri
"          / / 8 "
/76      / 1/  "
78       /3/ "
76 o 7  / 2/ "
79   / 1/  Ensign
79 or 80  1 / / "
1.12.23

I am, respectfully,
your obedient servant,
 
J. L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.
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he following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army
and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunters," all
persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service but not those who
were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to
Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of Private Armed Vessels are
also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged
in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
1. The Regular Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3. Persons employed in the Naval service.
4. Indian Spies.
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons, claiming
the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will in the first in
stance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of
Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is
considered a Court of Record.
REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
of
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
Serity of
County of
On this
day of
A.B. a resident (b) of
personally appeared (a) before
in the county of
and State, Territory or District
years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the
following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provion made by the act of Congress, passed
June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d)
with and
served in the
(e) regiment of the
line, under the following named officers:
Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers the time he left the service; (and if he servunder
more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the
town or county and State in which he resided when he enered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged,
and the country through which he marched. This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons
who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he
declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of
the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
A. B.
And then will follow the certificate of the Court.
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary
soldier, and served as he states.
of the Court of
do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of
the application of
for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this
day of
& c.
If, on examination of the proper record the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be
found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia,
except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and
subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the
and C. D. residing in (the same
hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with
who has
subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be
years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier
of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
And then will follow the certificate of the Court.
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after
putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Rev
lutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A.B
who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the
and that C.D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the
and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
Clerk of the Court of
do hereby certify that the foregoing
contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the applicacation of
for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal
of office, this day of
& c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commisbut
it neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if
possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of these
vices of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light
upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration (l) and he will
also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful
in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person
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will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal
borating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted
; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected.
will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there
subscribe an be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (in) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account
of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State
troops of Virginia.
1. Where and in what year were you born?
2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war
, and where do you now live?
4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute?
And if a substitute, for whom?
, state the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such
Continental and Minnis Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
To a Soldier
Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given
and what has become of it?
Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what
State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify
as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are
requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court,
without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons one of whom should be
the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from
their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed
and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion.
one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character
and standing of other persons giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct
proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the
enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration be
fore required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the
proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to
perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record,
or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper
Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a
Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is
his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before
the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the
declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure
, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period
of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the
opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will for
on the rule laid down for his and
The declarant must make he declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not
conforming to the rule.
The age of the claimant must invaribly be mentioned.
The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the
lan cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his wife, and the different grades in which he served, in language so
timate as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the
of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his affidavit in the following words:
Personally appeared before the duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason
, and the service, but according to the best of
their mouths, and ---
days, I served as of month in and for such service I claim a pension.
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law
directs the pension to be paid according to the grate of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months.
too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years
the mint, at specifying the tours, the names of the officers and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is
eighty objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what then the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement,
place where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent an
rity; that he was either in the field or in and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any
ersul.
The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
The opinion of the Court is always requited.
The Clerk must give his certificate in every can
The he mad at his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no pubseal
of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the
oper-
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which con
the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must
under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificates
Proof of Service.
In case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses
are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well
the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witand
the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper offer, under his seal of office.
are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and state from the proof requred by rule in
This intendence is indispensable in its
If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
The answers to the interrogatories must all be written and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
W. J. William
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Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of
the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832.
State of New York
County of Green 
. On this fifth day of September one
thousand Eight hundred and thirty two personally
appeared in open Court before Dorrance Kirtland
Perkins King Edward Daley
Judges of the Court of Common Pleas of said County
now sitting John Schuneman a resident of the town of
Albany in the County of Greene and State of New York
aged seventy three years who being first duly sworn
according to Law doth on his oath make the following
declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of
Congress passed June 7th 1832
That he entered the service of the United States as a 
private soldier under the following named officers
and served as herein stated. That Anthony Van Bergen
was Colonel, Cornelius Dubois Lieutenant Colonel
Ignatius Van Order ....
Major & Hubert Van Van Adjutant who acted as
Field officers- That John A. Witbeck was Captain
and Francis Salisbury & Wessell Shibury were first
and second lieutenants, and this deponent acted as
Ensign in said Company of Militia. That this
deponent being then at the age of Sixteen years
was regularly enrolled in the service- That he
entered the service in the Spring of the year 1775
but what particular month he cannot say
That Claimant marched from the town of Catskill with said Company to the City of Albany
where they remained some time, but how long
he cannot now recollect from thence the company
was dismissed & he returned home-- That shortly
after his return the company were ordered to
March to Cagnawaga where he remained for
some time but cannot with certainty state how long
That Claimant believes he was drafted on the last
mentioned tour as he cannot with certainty State
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his field and Company Officers - That Claimant resided
in the town of Catskill in the County of now Greene when
he entered the service - That Claimant and his Company
Marched to Fort Edward on or about the year 1777
That a skirmish ensued between the Tories under the
command of Genl Burgoine & the Americans
That Claimant of his company & others retreated from
the attack of Burgoine to or near Stillwater, that
in this skirmish there was some firing & some of the
Americans killed that the American forces were then
under the command of Gen Schuyler. That General
Gates Afterwards succeeded Genl Schuyler in Command
How long Claimant was in service at the last mentioned
places he cannot recollect. - That Claimant
was also engaged in a skirmish near a place called
Bemiss [?] Heights in which some of the Americans were killed. That Claimant has not been
engaged in any battle except as above Stated
That Claimant cannot state how long he was in service
at the last mentioned - That Claimant and
his company marched to Schoharie, where they
remained for some time, but how long he cannot 
with certainty State. That Claimant day was almost
constantly on duty when not abroad with his
Company on scouting parties and as minute
man so called in Watching the Enemys movements
Hostile Indians & That he cannot now recollect the different posts at which he did duly be
sides those above stated. That he did not have
the service until the close of the war - That he
believes that he has been more than three years
in actual service- That Claimant having served
for some time as a private received a commission
in his said Company as Ensign Signed by George
Clinton the Governor of the State of New York bear
ing date the 21st day of October 1779 which
Commission is hereunto annexed. That he
was afterwards appointed a Lieutenant in said
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Company but never got his Commission from the
Secretary's Office - That Claimant did not leave
the service until the close of the war. That most of
the Officers & private with whom he was acquainted
during the war have died or removed to place
unknown to him
 
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension
or annuity except the present, and he declares that
his name is not on the pension Roll of any Agency
in any State
John Schuneman

sworn to & Subscribed
year aforesaid
William J. B. Keenance
Clerk
And the said Court do hereby declare their
opinion after the Investigation of the matter
and after putting the Interrogatories prescribed by
the War department, that the above named applicant
was a revolutionary Soldier and served as
he states. And the Court further certifies that
appears to them that Isaac N. Wyckoff
who has signed the preceding certificate is
Clergyman resident in the town of Catskill in
to
the County of Greene, and that William Van Bergen
who has also signed the same is a resident of said
town of Catskill and is a credible person and
that their statement is entitled to credit
Dorrance Kirtland Presiding Judge
I, William W. B. Heermance Clerk
of the Court of the County of Greene
4
do hereby Certify that the foregoing con-
-tains the original proceedings of the said
Court in the matter of the application of
John Schurman for a Pension
In testimony whereof I have
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hereunto set my hand & Seal of Office this
fifth
day of September one thousand
Eight hundred & thirty two
William . . Heermance Clerk
I William V.B. Heermance, Clerk
the County of Greene, do hereby certify
that Luke Kiersted is a Justice in
Peace of the Town of Catskill in the
County of Greene, and that the signature
annexed is his genuine signal-
In Testimony Whereof, I have
hereunto set my hand & Seal of
Office this fifth day of September
one thousand Eight hundred & thirty two
William V.B. Heenance
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To
the first Interrogatory claimant answers &
says, that he was born in the Town of Catskill
and County of June on the 29th day of August
1739 -
To the Second Interrogatory he answers & says,
that he finds his age set down in his old
Family Bible in the words & figures follow
-ing (Viz) " 1759. August 29th John Scheneman was born
To the third Interrogatory he answers and says,
that he was living at the town of Catskill in the
County of Greene when he was called into service
and that he has lived there ever since the
Revolutionary War But now he resides in the town of Albany
To the fourth Interrogatory he answers & says,
that he was regularly enrolled in the Militia
& as is set forth in his said declaration
To the fifth interrogatory he refers to his foregoing
declaration that as to the office under & with whom
he served and as to the general circumstances
of Such Service, as set forth in his said declaration as near as he can now recollect
To the Sixth Interrogatory he answers & says
that he has had two commissions during his
service, and as Ensign which is set forth in said
declaration & produced in Court, signed by Geo
Clinton the Governor of the State of New York
bearing date the 21st day of October 1779 and
the other as Lieutenant which he never took
from the Secretary's Office & cannot therefore
State when it was dated

To the Seventh Interrogatory he answers and
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says, that he refers to the Reverend Isaac
Wyckoff a Clergyman, William Van
Bergen, Wessell Salisbury & John Person
as persons in his neighborhood who candidly
as to his character for truth & Veracity and their
belief his service as a soldier of the Revolution
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Greene County S.S. William T B Heermance Clerk of the County of
Greene do certify that Luke Keirstead lay before whom the fore
going affidavits of John Schumerman, John Person and Wessell
Salisbury were sworn was at the date of the same a justice
of the Peace of the said County, and that his signature to
the said affidavits is genuine
Witness my hand & seal of office
this Sixth day of December in
the year one thousand Eight
and thirty two
●
William H. & G. Heermance Clk
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Interrogatory 1St Where & in what year were you born?
and if so where is it
2d Have you any Record of your age, &
if so where it
3d Where were you living when called into Service
where have you lived since the Revolutionary
4th
War & where do you now live?
How were you called into service; were
you drafted did you volunteer or were
you a Substitute? and if a Substitute for whom
5th State the names of some of the regular officers who were with the troops when you served
  such as Continental and
Militia Regiments as you can recollect
and the general circumstance of your
Service
6th Did you ever receive a Commission?
 and if so, by whom was it signed & who
has been for [illegible]
7th State the names of persons to whom
you are known in your present neighborhood & who can testify as to you
Character for veracity and their belief
of your services as a soldier of the resolution
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We Isaac Wyckoff a Clergyman residing
in the town of Catskill in the County of Greene and
William Van Bergen residing in the same place
hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with
John Schumeman who has subscribed and sworn
to the above declaration: That we believe him to
be seventy three years of age; that he is reputed
and believed in the neighborhood where he resides
to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that
We concur in that opinion.
Sworn & Subscribed in open 
Court Sept 5. 1832

William T. B. Heermance Clerk

Isaac Wyckoff V.D.M
Wm Van Bergin
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State of
New York
Greene County . On this Fourth day of September
one thousand Eight hundred & thirty two personally
appeared before me Luke Kiersted a Justice of
the peace of the Town of Catskill in said County
John Person a resident of said town of Catskill
and County of Greene aged Seventy Seven years
who being first duly sworn deposeth & saith, That
he is well acquainted with John Schuneman
named in the foregoing declaration, that this de-
deponent and the said John Schuneman were
in the service together during the Revolutionary War
in various places & in most of those Set
forth in said declaration of said John Schuneman
which this deponent has had read. That this
deponent and said John Schuneman were both
privates & officiers in said service & were Sworn
into office as stated in said declaration. That
this deponent has no doubt but that the said
John Schuneman has served for more than three
years during said war as set forth by him-
That this deponent has been intimately
aquainted with him from his youth that he
now resides within a few miles him and
that he is reputed & believed in the neighborhood
where he resides to be a man of truth & veracity 

John [illegible] 

Subscribed & Sworn
before me the day & year
above written
Luke Keirsted Justice of the peace
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In the Matter of the
Application of
John Schuneman
for a Pension
---
Declaration &
8216
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State of New York
Greene County ss: On this fifth day of September
one thousand eight hundred & thirty two
Personally appeared in open Court before the
Judges of the Court of Common pleas of the
County of Greene, Wessell Salisbury a resident
of the town of Catskill and County of Greene, aged
Eighty four years who being first duly sworn
deposeth & saith that he is well acquainted with
John Schumman named in the foregoing
declaration that this deponent and
the said John Schuneman were in the service
together during the Revolutionary war
in various places & in most of those Set
forth in said declaration, which this deponent
has heard read. That this deponent
& Said John Schuneman were both
Officers in said service. That he has
no doubt but that said John Schuneman
has served for more than three years during
said war - That he has been intimately
acquainted with him from his infancy
that he now resides within a family after
that he is reputed & believed in the Neighborhood where he resides to be a man of truth
and veracity -
Wessell Salisbury

Sworn & Subscribed
in open court
Sept 5. 1832
William W. B. Heermance
Clerk
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State of New York
Greene County ⎬ Personally appeared before me
the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace of the Town of
Catskill in the County of Greene John Shuneman
who being duly sworn, deposeth & saith, that by
reason of old age and the consequent loss of memory
he cannot swear positively as to the precise
length of his service but according to the best of
his recollection he served not less than the periods
mentioned below and in the following grades:
Fifteen days served as a private in the
-
Militia the Company being ordered out at a
place Called Cagnawaga in the County of Montgomery
- This service took place in the year 1776
or 1777-
For Eight days I served as private in a tour
to the city of Albany. This service was in the
year last aforesaid 
for one month I served as a private in the
Militia, being drafted at Schenectady and
at Johnston Hall on the Mohawk River
This service took place in the year 1776
For three months. I served as a private
in a company commanded by[illegible]
Van Schuck being draft at Johnstown
in the County of Montgomery
This service
took place in the year 1778
for three months I served as a private
being a draft at Schoharie. This service
took place in the year 1776 or 1777-
For two months served as a private
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at Shinglekill in the County of June. This
Service took place in the year 1779
for one month I served as Ensign at a place 
called Loonenburgh on a Court Martial
bringing up tories for Trial.
For three months fifteen days I served as
private in the Militia in Company
Command
by John H Wick at Fort Edwards &
Stillwater in the County of Saratoga That the
service took place about the time Burgoyne was taken-
 
For Twelve months I served as an Ensign in
in scouting parties, in arresting Tories
and defending, the country against the
hostile Indians in various places in
the now County of Greene. This service
took place in the years 1779 & 1780
And for such service I claim a pension
John Schuneman

Subscribed & Sworn before
me this 6th day of Day
1832
L. Kiersted Justice of the peace
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State of New York
Greene County 
Personally appeared before me the undersigned
Justice of the peace of the town of Catskill in
the County of Greene John Person a resident of
the town of Catskill in the County of Greene aged
Seventy Seven years who being first duly sworn
deposeth & saith, that he is well acquainted with
John Schuneman of the town aforesaid named
in the foregoing affidavit made by him that the
said John Schuneman Served as an
at Loonenburgh in the County of Greene in a
Company commanded by John A. Witbeck
that a court martial was setting there, that
this deponent was also in the
Service.
That this deponent also knows, that
said John Schuneman was in the Service a
a private at Fort Edward & Stillwater in the
County of Saratoga until on or about the
time Burgoyne was taken
That this deponent
was also in the same service that the
company was commanded by John A.
Witbeck
That he has no doubt but
that the said John Schuneman Served for
the time as stated by him. That this deponent also knows that said John Schuneman
man was in the service at Johnstown in the
County of Montgomery as a private for the
purpose of taking sir John Johnston a British
Officer & the forces under his command, that this
deponent was also thereof the same time and
in the same service. That this deponent also
know that the said John Schuneman ever in ┃
the service as a private at Schenectady and
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what was there called Johnstone Hall on the
Mohawk River, this deponent was also in the same
expedition & at same time
The deponent also knows, that
said John Schuneman was on the Service
as an officer in the Company Command
Myndent Van Schaick at Johnstown
the County of Montgomery, that this deponent
 was in the same service, and
has no doubt that he served for the said
Stated by him. This deponent also knows
that said John Schuneman was in the
Service as a private in the City of Albany
stated by him that this deponent also
there in the same service
That deponent knows
that said John Schuneman were the service
as an office in the County of Greene
various places in defending the Country
against the Tories hostile Indians
that this deponent was also in the same
Service
John Person
Sworn Subscribed
before me this 6th day
 of Decm 1832 and
certify that said Person
is a credible witness
his statements entitle
to full credit
L Kiersted Justice of the peace
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State of New York
Greene County 
Personally appeared before me the undersigned
a Justice of the peace of the town of Catskill
in the County of Greene Wessel Salisbury
a resident of the Town of Catskill in the
County of Greene aged Eighty four years
who being first duly sworn deposeth and
saith, that he is well acquainted with John
Schuneman of the same of other named
in the foregoing affidavit made by him
That said John Schuneman served in the
Service as a private at Fort Edward and
Stillwater in the County of Saratoga on and
about the time Burgoyne was taken this
was also there in the same service
This
deponent also knows that said John
Schuneman was in the service as a private
in the City of Albany That this deponent
was also there in the same Service
That this deponent also knows
that said John Schuneman Served
a place called Schuykill in the County
of Greene as a private, that this deponent
way in the same service
That this deponent
also knows
that said John Schuneman
served as
an officer at a Court Martial at a
place called Loonenburgh (now Athens) in
the County of Greene, that this deponent
was also in the same service-
That this deponent also knows
that the said John Schunemann
in the County of Greene as an officer
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in various places as set forth by
That this deponent was also in the Same service

Wessell Salisbury
Sworn & Subscribed
before me this 6th day
of Day 1832 and
I certify that said
Salisbury is a credible
Witness & his statements
are entitled to full and
L. Kiersted Justice of the peace
 
-
State of New York
Greene County Ss. J. William V.B. Heermance Clerk of the County of
Greene do certify that Luke Kierstead Esq. before whom the fore
going affidavit of John Schuneman, John Person and Wessell
Salisbury were sworn, was at the date of the same a Justice
of the Peace of the said County, and that his signature to
the said affidavits is genuine.
Witness my hand & seal of office
this Sixth day of December in
the year one thousand Eight
ed and thirty two
●
William A. B. Heermance Clk
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Free
 Leeds NY
Aug 31
J. L. Edwards Esq.
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington
Page 27

 
Leeds N.Y. Augt 31st 1836
Sir
After a long time Mr John Schumeman who
was formerly placed on the Pension Roll, has
again applied to me to know the fate of her
Pension application, since the payment of
his Pension Certificate has been stopped Mr S.
has felt some anxiety in relation to it, and why
it was so. He now wishes me to inform you
that whatever may be further required from him
in relation to his pension which has been withheld
from him, and the reasons of so withholding the same
, you will distinctly state, in order that
he may obtain the necessary proof of any further

Proof may be required from your department He feels as every officer and soldier of the revolutionary War, should feel on this occasion, that he has been
unfairly hall by. Your last letter gave same
encouragement that upon a further examination
of the Muster Ralls. Something might be found
to meet his case-- perhaps from the h[illegible] witnesses
it may have escaped you please let me know
what will be the final result of case-
I should also, be pleased to hear from
Law in relation to the pension of John Person
those case is similar to Mr Schuneman
in all respects

truly
J. Van Bergen
J. L. Edwards, Esq.
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Pension Office
March 11th 1842
Sir
The pension of John Schuneman
man under the act of June 1832
has been reduced from $86.66 to twenty
three dollars and sixty seven cents per
annum. You will be pleased therefore
in the production of the proper vouchers
to pay him at the latter rate from the
4th of March 1831, first deducting the
amount that may have been paid at the
former rate
James
J L Edwards

J W. Olcott Esqr
Pension Agent
Albany
New York
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State of New York
Greene County 
Personally appeared before me the undersigned
a Justice of the Peace of the Town of Catskill in
the County of Greene John Schuneman of the Town of
Athens in the County aforesaid who being duly sworn deposeth
and Saith, in explanation of his declaration
heretofore forwarded to the War Department for a
Pension That by reason of old age and the consequent
less of memory he cannot swear positively as to the
Presise length of his service, nor the different officers under
whom he served, but according to his best recollection he
served not less than the periods mentioned below and in
the following grades: For fourteen days I served as a
private at a place called Johnston's Hall in the County
of Montgomery but the names of the Officers who command
the Company I cannot now State: This service took
place according to the best of my recollection in the in
1776. For three months I served as a private in Copany commanded by Philip Conine in the Regiment
commanded by Anthony Van Bergen as Col. at a place called
Shinglekill in the then, County of Albany, the other
Officers attached to said Company I cannot now with
Certainty State. This last mentioned service also took
place in the year 1776, according to the best of my knowledge and
belief: For Eight days I served as a private in
Company in the City of Albany in the Regiment commanded as aforesaid. But who commanded the Company
and who the other officers attached to it were I any unable
now to state. For Eight days I performed the like
services in the City of Albany, but cannot now State
the names of the Officers attached to the Company
these last mentioned service took place in the year
1777 as near as I can recollect for three months
& fifteen days I served as a private in a Company
commanded by John A. Witbeck in the Regiment
commanded by said Col. Anthony Van Bergen at
Fort Edward. This last mentioned service
took place in the year 1777 according to the best
of my recollection & belief. The Thirteen days
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 served as a Private in a company commanded by
Philip Canine at a place called Caghnawaga in the
County of Montgomery in the Regiment commanded
as aforesaid his last mentioned service took place
in the year 1776 or 1777:   For three months I
served as an Ensign in a Company commanded by
Captain Myndert Van Schaick in the Regiment commended as aforesaid at Johnstown in the County
Montgomery. This last mentioned service took
place in the year 1778 according to the best of my
recollection & belief: For three months I served
as a private Town & County of Schoharie being
drafted, that the Company to which I was attached
were stationed at what was then called the Middle
Fort But I am unable now to state the name of
any of the Officers attached to said Company
This last in mentioned service I think accured in
1778. according the recorded & belief of the deponent
this deponent further says, that a privates
who served with him & with whom he became acre
mentioned service are now dead
This deponent on reflection believes that a man by
the name of Grooman & another by the name of Becker
on file in the Company. But unable to State
this time their different grades
John Schunamen
Sworn & Subscribed
9th day of January
com before me
this 29th day of Janry 1835
J. Revely Justice
of the Peace
And I certify that I am well acquainted with
the above named John Sheron and
at full faith it is to be made
of Hepple
of the County date, that on
to whom the foregoing affidavit was sworn was at the date of the
Justice of the place of the said County, they can and qualified that
time to said affiant is
hand and seal of office this they on the day
1835
Page 31

Leeds NY
Feby

J.L. Edwards
Esq 
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington
Page 32

Leeds NY January 1835
Sir
Enclosed I send you the Deposition of Mr
John Schuneman, which you say in your Letter
of the 15th October is required of him, his pension
having been suspended, until he shall furnish
further proof as to length & grade, names of Officers
Mr Schuneman is an old man but an honest
one and his memory very treacherous. This deposition sets forth as near as his recollection now serves
him the different period he served during
in was not always attached to
one Company out after by draft in service in
others is, one reason why he cannot distinctly &
clearly name to the officers under whom
with whom he served. I have not the least doubt
but what all he has set forth in the deposition is
me
you speak of his time at Johnstown as only of
4 days duration, this he says must or a mistake as he is not only confident but now Swears to
the fact that he was then three months perhaps
you may have blinded the case at Johnston's Hall
which he has stated to be 14 days, instead of
Johnstown, Mr. S. has this stated in this deposition
---
all that he can now recollect or say on this
Subject any communication you may
please to make in this matter, address to
me at this place am very respectfully
or at it
Gerrit Van Bergin
J.L. Edwards Esq.
Page 33

Dec 16
John Scheneman
J. L. Edwards,
Esq.
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington
Page 34

Catskill Decr 9th 1835
Dear Sir
Your Letter of the 5th November
has been rcd-- in which you have come to
the conclusion that John Scheneman is
not entitled to a Pension I have heretofore
Written you & stated the fact to be so that
Witbeck deserted his post at Johnstown
Shortly after or about the time
and then, and consequently the duty
devolved upon his Lieut by the name of
Van Schaick,- All our former correspondence
related to his service at
he town, which you apprised me a
only 14 days instead of 3 months
alleged by Claimant-- now Sir
if you will carefully examine his papers,
with his own oath as well as the aid
vit of Salisbury & Person you will
of
come to the conclusion that he did
serve as a private, and not as an
Ensign for 3 months at Johnston
There Sums to have been some mistake
or misunderstanding in this case arising
probably from his service at a place called
Johnston's Hall in the County of
Montgomery. If you will give his papers
a fair and impartial consideration I have
no doubt but you will agree with me
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that the claimant is justly entitled
to a Pension that
he has perform
Services during the war of the revolution
there is no doubt. The only question in
his case is, what these service are
worth -- I should be pleased to hear from
you again on this subjecti s
respectfully.
G Van Bergen
W
J. L. Edwards, Esq.
PS. I have remands from Leeds to this
and you will address me accordingly

G. W. B.
Page 36

Leeds NY
April 7

J.L. Edwards Esq
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington
Page 37

hon Edwards Esq
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington 

G Van Bergen
Page 38

Leeds N.Y. April 7th 1835.
Sir   Early in the month of February last, I enclosed
you a deposition of John Schuneman of the
Town of Athens, who had heretofore been placed on
the Pension Roll & whose pension by your order
had been & is still suspended, for certain reasons
assigned by you. I drew that deposition from
the facts as Mr S. detailed them to me, and in conformity to the requirements of your department
a long time having now elapsed, since I
forwarded you the deposition, Mr S. feels anxious
to know what is to be ultimate result of his claim
and has therefore repeatedly requested me to address
you on the subject-- which must be my apology for
trawling you at this time. Will you therefore, be so
kind to inform me as soon as convenient, what
will be the ultimate result of his application
's very respectfully in haste,
G Van Bergine

J.L. Edwards, Esq
Commissioner
Page 39

Leeds.
May 29

J.L. Edwards, Esq
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington
Page 40

Leeds N.Y. May 29th 1835

Sir

according to your request I sent you an explanatory affidavit of John Schuneman in relation to his services during the war of the Revolution
accordingly made out the deposition which supposed would be satisfactory to your department
since which nothing has been heard from you
The only difficulty in relation to his claim unto his
home to Johnston and I think this has
been fully established and made out not only
by his own deposition, but by the affidavit &
others, and even admitting that you may have
doubts as to this particular service till I can see
good reason why I should not be
entitled to day for the different periods and
times he served his country in its most
ed & which have been fully framed, now all
Schuneman asks is, that your department
will it to him such compensation for the
services rendered by him as the Laws of the
County have made & provided, to relieve the
wants one sensities of the few remaining soldiers
of the revolution who so nobly faught and bled
for the rights & Liberties of their Country -be
so kind as to advise me what the final
result of his application will be
7
Yours very respectfully
Gerrit Van Bergene

should there be any doubt of
to his same to Johnstown, I am
acquainted with a man by the
name of Van Schaack, who acted
as an officer at this place, who
who can testify to the first of M.S. Services at Johnstown
J.L. Edwards, Esq.
Page 41

Leeds U.S.
ch
he
J L Edwards
commisioner of Pensions
Washington
Page 42

 
Dear Sir
I am requested (in consequence
of the absence of G Van Bergen Esq their agent
 By John Person & John Schuneman
to write you in order to ascertain the facts
concerning the Pensions they Request to
know whether they are suspended altogether
or wish to know what steps will be necessary for them to take in order that they may
again receive their Pensions (providing they
are entitled to any) Mr Person is an aged
man Blind and feeble and a small family
who are dependant upon him he is therefore
more anxious on of of the uncertainty of his
Life to know Immediately what he can
expect from the Lands of Government
address answer to me and Respectfully
oblige yours
William Person
Deeds N.Y. Oct 6th 1835

[side note]  They can produce no more evidence in relation to their claim than is now before you they are old and their memory is treacherous
Page 43

[column 1]

4381
New York
John Schenneman
---
of Greene in the State of NY
who was an Ensign in the Compy commanded
by Captain Witbeck of the Regt commanded
Col Van Bergen of the NY line
for 1 year 4 months Ensign & 8 months private 
in the R. N. York

Inscribed on the roll at N York at the rate of 186 Dollars 66 Cents per annum
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
---
Certificate of Pension issued the 22 day of May
1833 and sent to G. Van
Berger, Leeds. Greene Co NY
Arrears to the 4th of March 1833-- 373.32
Lemon lowance ending 4 Sep 1833.93.33
$466.65


Revolutionary Claim,
Act June 7, 1832. 

Recorded by George Taylor Clerk Book
C.
Vol.
4
Page 77
John Schenemen record corrected

[column 2]
Let to Isaac Lawrence
20 Sep. 1833
Page 44

Payments to be made
at the City of New York
by the [illegible]
Agent for paying Pension
●
, in the Agency of NY
Recorded in the Pension Office, in Book E. Vol. 4
Page 7 by
George Taylor Clerk
Page 45

[written across the form]  Cancelled

WAR DEPARTMENT.
Revolutionary Claim.
I certify that in conformity with the law of the United States
of the 7th June, 1832, John Schenneman of
the State of
N York,
who was an Ensign
in the Army of the
Revolution
is entitled to receive One hundred and Eighty six dollars and
---
cents per annum during his natural life, commencing
on the 4th of March,
1831 and payable semi-annually on the
March and 4th of September, in every year.
Given at the War Office of the United States
, this 22 day of
May one thousand
eight hundred and thirty-three
Examined and
Countersigned}
a
Commissioner of Pensions.
Page 46

14381
Page 47

Payment to be made
New York
by the Presd. U.S. Br Bank
Agent for paying Pensioners
the Agency of
Issue new certified New York
reduced
7.30 pri
23.66/100
deduct what has
been paid
Henry Wynkoop Esq
Recorded in the Pension Of
Present
N. Y.
fice, in Book E Vol. 4
Reg 77 by Jno Cromwell
Clerk
Page 48

[written across form]  Cancelled

WAR DEPARTMENT
REVOLUTIONARY CLAIM.
I certify that in conformity with the law of the United States
of the 7th June, 1832, John Schenneman of
the State of New York
who was a Private and Ensign in the Revolutionary Army is
entitled to receive-- Eighty Six
dollars and
Sixty six cents per annum, during his natural life, commencing on the 4th of March, 1831 and payable semi
annually on the 4th of March and 4th of September, in
every year
Given at the War Office of the United States
this
14th
day of
October one thousand eight
hundred and thirty-three.
 Lewis Cass Secretary of War
 
Examined and
Countersigned. }
Geo. Wm Crump
Acting Commissioner of Pension
Page 49

No 14381
Page 50

The People of the STATE OF NEW YORK,
By the Grace of GODFREE and INDEPENDENT
To John Schenneman Gentleman-- GREETING
posing especial Trust and Confidence, as well in your Patriotism, Conduct and Loyalty,
as in your valour and readiness to do us good and faithful Service, HAVE appointed and
appoint and constitute you the said John Scheneman
constituted, and by the
---
man to be ensign of Captain John A. Witbeck Company in
Colonel Anthony Van Bergens Regiment of Militia in Albany County
YOU are therefore, to take the said Company into your charge and care as Ensign thereof
, and duly to exercise the Officers and Soldiers of that Company, in Arms, who are hereby
commanded to obey you as their ensign--- and you are also to observe and follow such Orders
and Directions, as you shall from Time to Time receive from our General and Commander in Chief of the
Militia of our said State, or any other your Superior Officer, according to the Rules and Discipline of War, in
Pursuance of the Trust reposed in you, and for so doing, this shall be YOUR COMMISSION, for and
during our good pleasure, to be signified by our Council of Appointment. IN TESTIMONY whereof,
we have caused our seal for Military Commissions to be hereunto affixed. WITNESS our trufty and well
beloved George Clinton Esquire our Governor of our State of New York, General and Commander
by and with the Advice and Consent of our
in Chief of all the Militia, and Admiral of the Navy of the same by any
said Council of Appointment, at Kingston the twenty first day of October
in the Fourth Year of our INDEPENDENCE, and in the Year of our LORD, One Thousand Seven
Hundred and Seventy nine
Passed the Secretary's Office, Oct 21st 1779
By His ExcELLENCY's Command
Lewis A. Scott Deputy Secretary of State
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[column 1]
New York 14381
John Schennaman
Green in the State of New York
who was a Private in the Company commanded
by Captain Witbeck of the Regt
commanded by
Col Van Berger the New York line for
23 months Private
1 mo Ensign
Susp of John Schunemen Schectedy records corrected
Inscribed on the Roll of New York
the rate of 86 Dollars 66 Cents per annum
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 14 day of Oct
1833
and sent H. Whittlesey
Leeds N.Y
Arears to the 4th of Sept. 33 $216.65
Semi-anl allowance ending 4 Mar 34 43
$259.98
Revolutionary Claim
June 7, 1832
Recorded in Jno Cromwell Clerk
Book E, Vol. 4 
Page 77

[column 2]
 
Letter to Isaac L 12
Oct. 1833.
Letter to J. F Sep 11
1834 " [illegible] " "
Let to G Van Bergen 1st 1834
11 ┃
2. 34
1
35
time of
" 10.5
" Sept 8
14
Lett to Hon A Versaorl  And Jon H
the N. Perhaps
Page 52

last -
John Scheneman N.Y. Albany 86.88 act 7 June When [illegible]
GMC
Apl 11. 1838
Page 53

Revy War
INVALID.
File No. 7465

---
John Schuneman
Pri Rev War
---
Act June 7th 1832
Index: -- Vol. [illegible], Page 332
(Arrangement of 1870.]
John Schuneman
Sept 21 1904
Records corrected