Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 8569, for Archibald Ramey, Virginia
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SERVICE NUMBER
Va. Ramey, Archibald R. 8569.
CONTENTS
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33.116
Archibald Ramey
Kentucky,
Archibald Ramey
a caveat has been filed in this case

Morgan Circuit Court.

Archibald Ramey's
Declaration for a Pension
Morgan County

I do hereby certify that James G. Hazelrigg is the Clerk of the Morgan Circuit Court and this signature [illegible] on his is genuine Given under my hand this 19 day of May 1835
Amos Davis
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State of Kentucky
Morgan Circuit Sct:
On the 19 day of May 1835 personally came into open Court, Archibald Ramey a resident of Fleming County, (though part of his farm lays in Morgan County and the distance to the Court house in the latter County is not half so far as that in the County of Fleming). aged about 76 Years, and for the purpose of obtaining a pension under the act of Congress of the 7th June 1832, being first duly sworn in open Court according to law, makes the following declaration - That in the year that the American Army lay at New York, (he cannot say what particular year it was, in consequence of his advanced age and forgetfulness,) his father being then a Butcher in the American Army, he having been guilty of a little misconduct in Company with others and to avoid a prosecution - he and his uncle William Bryam called upon Col. Bailey Washington in Stafford County Virginia for the purpose of joining the army, as it was understood that he had authority to enlist soldiers - Col. Washington, gave each of us a writing and directed us to proceed to New York immediately - what the purport of the writing was he does not know as he was entirely illiterate, but Col. Washington informed them that they could not be molested by the Civil authority - the date he cannot recollect, but it was in the season that damsons usually ripen, for it was in relation to the fruit that he feared the civil authority, therefore he would think it was in the Month of August - He went on in Company with his said uncle to the army & as soon as he reached the Army, he was ordered to go to Butchering Beeves for the army - This he continued at for little upwards of twelve months, when he was taken with the yellow fever and was sent to the hospital, where he remained four months and after his recovery he was discharged, he thinks in the winter, and he understood that his discharge stated that he had served for Sixteen Months
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and Seven Days - His father was discharged at the same time and had his own discharge and kept both for some time - He does not remember who signed his discharge, - though his father gave it to him many years afterwards, when he left his father - He states that when he went to New York to join the Army he was grown but not of age - He staid in New York or its neighborhood from the time he entered the Army until he was discharged - He resided with his father's family in the County of Stafford and State of Virginia, from his birth until sometime after the siege of York, after which his father and his family including him removed to the now State of Kentucky. Sometime in the year of 1781. the exact time he does not remember, but the weather was warm, he was persuaded by one Major John Grigg to accompany him to the Army then marching to Yor. in the Capacity of a bowman or hostler - He went but he was not many weeks in that Capacity, before Grigg informed him that he must go to work as a butcher, he protested to Grigg, with whom he was well acquainted at home, but Grigg made him butcher for the army, but at the same time said that he should have a horse to ride home whenever he might be discharged - Here he is getting a little too fast - Before he went with Grigg as bowman, he was drafted to meet the British some few of whom came up the Potomac River, and he was only out a few days, wen Grigg induced him to join him - After staying at York until after the defeat of Cornwallis - he and his father received a furlough from Major Grigg, but who signed it he does not remember, but they went home and staid a few days and returned to the Army & met it near Fredericksburg a part of which had left York - After being sometime in Fredericksburg & Falmouth that portion of the army went to Stafford Court house, where he and his father were discharged - His father again
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his discharge and it was handed to him by Major Grigg but by whom it was signed he does not know. He was out for Nine Months & 3 days in this last tour and his discharge shows that fact as he always heard, having heard it read - He states that he was born on the 17th of March 1759 as he has often been told, as it was written on his father's old family Bible, but he does not know what has become of the old Bible - He has always stated that he was born and raised in Stafford County Virga. and resided there until about 1783 when he came with his father to Kentucky - He resided in what is now Mason County & a short time in Bourbon, but for the last 40 years he has resided in Fleming County Kenty.
He further states he knows of no person by whom he can prove his services - but he is acquainted with - and - who reside in his neighborhood - His memory is vey deficient as to dates, and cannot state the dates particularly. His discharges were burnt up some Years ago when he had his dwelling consumed - He would further remark that it has been a considerable time since he had a declaration written to be forwarded to the War department for a pension, but has heard through the Hon. A. Davis that it has never reached Washington. He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and he declares that his name is not on the pension roll of any agency in any state.
Archy Ramey x his mark
Sworn to & subscribed the day & year aforesaid.
J G Hazelrigg Clerk Morgan
Circuit Court
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And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was in the Revolutionary War and served as he states.
Silas W Robbins
Circuit Judge

I James G. Hazelrigg Clerk of the Morgan Circuit Court, do hereby certify that the foregoing, contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Archibald Ramey for a pension. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & private seal of office there being no seal this 19 day of May 1835 J G Hazelrigg Clerk of Seal
Morgan Circuit Court.

Archibald Ramey's
Declaration for a Pension
Morgan County

33,116
Archibald Ramey
Kentucky
Archibald Ramey
a caveat has been filed in this case

I do hereby certify that James G. Hazelrigg the Clerk of the Morgan Circuit Court and the signature purporting to be his is genuine. Given under my hand this 19 day of May 1835
Amos Davis
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I do hereby certify that James G. Hazelrigg the Clerk of the Morgan Circuit Court and the signature purporting to be his is genuine. Given under my hand this 19 day of May 1835
Amos Davis

Morgan Circuit Court.
Archibald Ramey's
Declaration for a Pension
Morgan County

33,116
Archibald Ramey
Kentucky
Archibald Ramey
a caveat has been filed in this case
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August 17, 1936
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Dr. Bonnelle W. Rhamy ARCHIBALD RAMEY
3714 South Fairfield Avenue R. 8569
Fort Wayne, Indiana BA-J/MMHF:MLB

Dear Sir:
You are furnished, as requested, photostatic copies of papers on file in Revolutionary War claim for pension, R. 8569, based upon service of Archibald Ramey.
You request to know how you can obtain a list of French and Indian War and Revolutionary War soldiers of Virginia with the surname Ramey, variously spelled.
This office has no record of French and Indian War soldiers, and because of the great demand for Revolutionary War data, and the limited clerical force available for furnishing such information, cannot comply with requests for lists of Revolutionary War soldiers. It is suggested that the Librarian of the Virginia State Library, Richmond, Virginia, might have partial records of the French and Indian War soldiers; this office has no knowledge, however, of their facilities for furnishing the information. You, or some one designated by you, may examine and collect data from Revolutionary War pension claims based upon service of soldiers with your surname, variously spelled, by calling at this office.
Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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1936 July 16 Dr. B. W. Rhamey adv. cost of photos MMHF
1936 Aug. 17, Photos mailed to Dr. B W. Rhamey & Acctg. Div. notified 

8,569
Archibald Ramey
REJECTED
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This case to be reported fully to Hon. 
L M Cox HR.
Jany 17, 1855
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Archd Ramey
Kentucky
Rejected
8569
See letter 13
June 1835 to Hon: R. M. Johnson not found MMHF
did not serve in a military capacity.
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AUG 26 FREE
Hon. L. P. Waldo
Commissioner of Pensions,
Washington City
D.C.

Archibald Ramey
Ky - iss 1832
A
Cole
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Archibald Ramey Kentucky
Suspend act 1832 Passed
nm - pay L. M.
Omit
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A. Ramey
Certificate
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This day Personally appeared before the undersigned a Justice of the peace in and for Fleming County Archibald Ramey and made oath that he inlisted in the United States service in the fall of 177 for the term three years and in the fall of 1781 Received his discharge by Major John Grig and had said discharge in his Possession till about nine years ago he lost said discharge by an accident of fire. Given under my hand this 7th day of October 1836
John Mynheir JPFC
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State of Kentucky, Fleming County Sct.
This day personally appeared before me a Justice of the peace for the County aforesaid Reuben Suttle, Lemon Ward William McGinnis & Samuel Myers, and made oath that they saw in the possession of Archibald Ramey, at his house a writing purporting to be a discharge from the service of the Revolutionary Army of the United States, given to said Ramey in consequence of his services in said Army
Given under my hand this 11th day of Oct 1836- 
Bengem Abernathey J.P.F.C.
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3
Hon L. M. Cox, Jan 23/55
Capt. Nathan Bear's company in 1782, who was in the state service of Pennsylvania, and served 6 months. There is as stated no evidence of his service in the Revolutionary War among the papers - and he has, doubtless confidence the service as a Ranger, which is not embraced by any pension law, in the service of that war.
Archibald Ramey on the 18 or 9 May 1835 assisted a claim under the Act of June 7, 1832. He alleged that, in the year the American Army was at New York, he went from Stafford County, Va. to that city to join his father, who was there acting as a Butcher to the American Army. He went there for the purpose of entering the service as a soldier, but "was ordered to go butchering." in which business he remained upwards of twelve months, when he was taken sick with the yellow-fever, and sent to the Hospital where he remained four months; and,
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having recovered, was discharged. That to receive a discharge which, he understood, stated he served 16 months. He returned home, and removed with his father to Kentucky sometime in 1781, then he "was persuaded by Maj. John Grigg to accompany him to the Army then marching to York in the capacity of a bowman or hostler."
He went "but he did not act many weeks as bowman, before he was ordered to go to work as a butcher. In this duty he was engaged for nine months and three day s- when he was discharged, This case, too, is unsupported by testimony, and it is very clear that he was engaged under a some contract, and had no caim under the pension laws.
I have &c

Hon L. M. Cox,
House of Reps.
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War Department,
Pension Office,
February 9, 1837.
Sir,
In compliance with your request of the 1st. inst. I herewith enclose an authenticated copy of the papers of Archibald Ramey.
I have the honor to be,
very respectfully,
your obt. sert.
J L. Edwards
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Hon Richard French
Feby 9th 1837
O.C

Record Vol 41 P 295,
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War Department
Pension Office
Feby 9th 1837
Sir
In compliance with your request of the 1st. inst I herewith enclose an authenticated copy of the papers of Archibald Ramey
I have the honor to be
Very respectfully &c

Hon Richard French
House of Representatives
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Hon R. N Menefee
Oct 10, 1837
Ken
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War Dept. Pen: Office
Oct 10, 1837
Sir
In answer to your enquiry respecting the case of Archibald Ramey I have to inform you that his declaration is on file in this office together with some other papers sent here by Hon R. French. The claim has been rejected because he did not serve six months in a military capacity, Enclosed is a copy of the letter of the 13th June 1835 to Hon R. M. Johnson showing more particularly the objections to the claim.

Hon Richard N. Menefee
H.R
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Hon R. H. Menefee
Decr. 19 - 1838,
O.C.
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War Dept.
Pension Office,
Decr. 19, 1838
Sir,
I have the honor to enclose hereunto, Certified Copies of the papers in the case of Archibald Ramey.

Hon. R. H. Menefee,
HR
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J. H. Arnold
May 2/55.
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Pension Office,
May 2, 1855.

Sir,
In reply to your letter of the 23d ult. you are informed that the claim of Archibald Ramey has not been admitted, but remains suspended for the reasons stated in the accompanying extract from a letter addressed to the Hon L. M. Cox on the 23d of January last.

J. H. Arnold, Esq
Ewingsville,
Ky.
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R. H. Menfee

J. L. Edwards Esq.
Comm. Pens.
Washington 
D. C. 

W. Dec 10
Archd Ramey
Ken

Hon R H Menfee
HR

Quit
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Washington, Dec. 8, 1838

Sir,
Archibald Ramey of Morgan
County, Kentucky, made an application, some time
since, for a pension; which was rejected. It is believed
by his friends that this rejection has resulted
from an erroneous account of the parts of his
services by the person who prepared the application.
_The enclosed memorandum is said to contain
an outline of the facts. This memorandum proposes
a withdrawal of the papers, in order to a
representation of the case. If this cause is 
allowable under the usages of your office, I shall
thank you to enclose them to me; if not, please
furnish me with a copy.

Respectfully,
Your obt servt
R. H. Menifee

J. L. Edwards Esq
Comm. Pen.
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Hon R. French
May
March 7. 1836

Record Vol. 20. P 370.
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War Dept. Pen. Office
March 7. 1836
Sir
In answer to your letter of
the inquest I have to inform you that
no papers have recently been received at
this office in the case of Archibald
Rancy. In June last his claim was
rejected, as a letter of the 13th of that
month addressed to Hon R. M. Johnson
showing the reasons for rejecting the claim.

CV

Hon Richd French
H. R
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Hon James L Edwards
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington
DC

Feb 2
Archd Ramey

In hand

Hon R French
HR

Quit
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Washington February 1st 1837.

Sir,
The Copy of Mr Archibald
Ramey's declaration which
you did me the Honor to send
me some time since, I transmited
some time ago to Ky for more
proof to be taken.-- They have
sent me additional proof, but
not the declaration _ .
as there is not time to write
to Ky for it, I must request
you to furnish me another copy
to present to Congress-- my
object is to get a private act
for him
Your obt servt
Richard French
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Record Vol 41, P 59.
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[A large part of the left side of this document was damaged and repaired, but the repair covered considerable text]

War Dept. Pen: Office
Augt 10. 1836

[Illegible] answer to your letter respecting
the case [illegible] Archibath Ramey, [crossed out: and] I have
to [illegible] you that his claim was rejected
[illegible]35, for reasons contained in a letter of
[illegible] to Hon. R. M. Johnson a copy of
[illegible]enclosed. It is contrary to the regulation
[illegible] Dept to send papers out of this office
[illegible] where the claims have been rejected, I have
[illegible] enclosed herewith a copy of Mr. Ramey's [illegible]

Hon Richard French
Mount Sterling
Ken
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Yours In hast [sic]
R. French } H Utterback
February 5th 1836
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Honourable
R. French In Congress

[Illegible] Mills Ky
Feby 16

Archibald Ramey
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Morgan County Kentucky
Dear Sir I take the liberty through
the post office establishment to inform
you that I am well and family at present
and times are very prosperous at present
we had no particular accout from you
since you left Kentucky. after my [illegible]
[illegible] I have to inform you concerning
Archibald Ramey's claim against the
Goverment as [illegible] old man
has called on me to write to you concerning
[illegible] and wishes your influance to obtain
It I here send you the certificate proving
his wounds he told me that you had
seen the wound your self. I wish you
to search the office there and see if the
Balance of his papers have been sent on
he told me they were all certified and
was to have bin sent on some time ago
and if they are not there you will please
send me a letter as quick as posible and
I will send them on so that they can 
be acted on before congress a journs
Direct to gills mill post office
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[Nearly illegible. Many spelling errors]

October 11 1835 [Illegible] County

this day came william cassiy [sic] and
Linnet Remey and Joshep [illegible]
before me the [illegible] and made oath
that the said Archibel Remey was 
in harmer defect and was wounded in
the hip for we fetch him from
the old [illegible] River from he cold
not stand we brough him to been hom
County in a litter witch the said
Archilbel Remey lay 2 years and
5 month under doctor cash [illegible]
given under my hand the day and
date above witten
James Craig JP [illegible]
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Free
R M Johnson

Col J. L. Edwards
City of Washington
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I should be very much
gratifyed if the within
should be found
worthy &C

Rh M Johnson
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Owingsville Ky.
April 23rd 1855.

Sor.
Be pleased to inform me what
disposition has been made of the Claim of
Archibald Ramy of Fleming County Ky which
was presented by Mr Saml M. Knight of D. C.
for a pension, under the "Act of 7th June 32, near
two years ago,
He claimed for service rendered
the U.S. in Generals Logan, Harmer, and
Edwards Campaigns (9) nine months tour, i.e.
3 months in each Campeign = 9 Mo
Verry Respectffully
Your Obt Servt
J. H. Arnold

Hon L. P. Waldo
Comr of Pensions
Washington City
D.C.
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RECEIVED
JUL 27 1936
EMPLOYEES
ACCOUNTS

RECEIVED
JUL 24 1936
CASHIER
VETERANS'
[Illegible]
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Ada

BONNELLE W. RHAMY, M. D.
3714 S. FAIRFIELD AVENUE
FT. WAYNE INDIANA
7 21 36

Veterans Administration
Washington, D. C.

Att.
Archibald Ramey
R. 8569
[Crossed out, illegible]
BA - J/MMHF: MLB 16931

I enclose money order for $5.75 to pay
for 23 photostatic copies of the Rev. War
claim of Archibald Ramey
Yours truly
B W Rhamy

P.S. May I enquire how to get a list of soldiers
in the French and Indian Wars in Va., and of
the Rev. soldiers or claims under the name
Remy, Ramey, Reamy, Remie or Reeme
B. W. R.

RECEIVED
JUL 23 1936
MAIL SUB-DIV
READER 14
VET. ADM.
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BONNELLE W. RHAMN, M. D.
3714 S. FAIRFIELD AVENUE
FT. WAYNE, INDIANA
6 10 36
War Dept., Pension Office
Washington, D. C.

Gentlemen:
I would like an exact copy of Revolutionary
Pension papers of one Archibald Ramey of Fleming
Co, Ky. Va. Service File No 8569.
Yours truly
 B. W. Rhamy
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List to Bonnelle W. Rhamy:

Sol's.ded. [?]  May 19-1935 - 4 p.

Sheet on wh. R. M. Johnson writes: should be very much gratified etc, both
-- sides -- 2 pages

James Gray, J.P. Oct. 11, 1835, affirming [?] that Wm Cassiy(?) Linnet
Remey etc came before him & made affid. [=affidavit?] rel. to sols. wound = 1p

Let. beginning "Morgan County, Kentucky, Dear
Sir I take the liberty etc & and ends "Direct to Gills Mill
Post Office", both sides of this sheet = 2p

Let to Hon. Richard French Mch. 7, 1836 = 1p

  "    "    "           "         "        Aug. 10. 1836 = 1p

Affid. of John Mynheir, J. P. F. C. that Archibald Ramey
appeared before him etc. -- undated -- = 1p

Affid. of Bengeman Northcut, 1836, that Reuben
Suttle & others came before him etc. = 1p

Let. from Richard French Washington Feb. 1, 1837 = 1p

  " to Hon. Richard French Feb. 9-1837 saying copy of papers
of Archibald Ramey enclosed = 1p. no [double underlined] sig. of Edwards

Let. to (just the[?] same) with [double underlined] sig of J. [illegible]. Edwards, 1p.
(I did not notice that they were identical until [illegible] was made)

Let. to Hon. Rich.N. Menefee Oct.10, 1837 ---- 1p

Let. from R. H. Menefee Dec. 8, 1838 = 1p

Let. to        "           "        Dec 19- '38 = 1p

Let. to Hon. L.M. Cox Jan 23, 1855 = 2 pages

Let from J. H. Arnold [?] Apr.23, 1855 = 1p

Let. to     "  "       "            May 2. 1855 = 1p
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July 16, 1936

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Dr. B. W. Rhamey
314 South Fairfield Avenue
Fort Wayne, Indiana

ARCHIBALD RAMEY
R. 8569
BA-J/MMHF:MLB

Dear Sir:

Reference is made to your letter in which you request an
exact copy of the papers on file in Revolutionary War claim
for pension, R. 8569, based upon service of Archibald Ramey in
that war.

Photostatic copies of papers on file in the claim cited
above will be furnished you at the rate of twenty-five cents a
page. The number of pages to be copied is twenty-three.
.
Please make remittance by money order drawn to the order
of the Treasurer of the United States.

Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator