Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 32473, for George Redmon, South Carolina
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(8-1776)
SERVICE                                                                  NUMBER
N.C.                                 Redmon, George             S. 32473
S.C.                             or Redmond
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Illinois 19714
George Redmond
of Edgar Co in the State of Illinois
whereas a Private in the Co commanded
by Captain Nichols of the Reg.t commanded
by _____________ in the North Carolina
time for 9 mos.
I served in the Roll of Illinois.
at the rate of 30 dollars 00 cents per annum,
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 22nd day of Aug.t
1833 and sent to G.B. Shellege. Paris. E. Co. Illinois.
Arrears to the 4th of March 1833. 60.00
_______, allowance ending 4 Sept 33. 15.00

$75.00

Revolutionary Claim.
Act June 7, 1832

Recorded by
Wm K Palmer Clerk
Book E Vol eight page 61
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State of Illinois
Edgar County} Ss
On this 4th day of June 1833 personally appeared in open court before the county commissioners court for the county of Edgar aforesaid an [illegible] of Record George Redmon a resident of the county of Edgar aforesaid aged seventy six years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 that he enlisted the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated to wit The service as a volunteer for the arm of five months That about two week of this time he was a private in Capn Nichols company when he was transferd to the waggon masters department under Waggon Master Richardson in the first South Carolina Regiment that he hauled the baggage of Col Pinkney Major Pinkney and Adjutants [illegible] Hamilton That he joined the waggon masters department on the road from Charleston South Carolina to Peterburg on the Savannah River where he was engaged in hauling provisions and forage for the  [illegible] the ballance of his tour That this tour commence to the best of his recollection on the 10th day of November 1778 and ended on the 10th day of April 1779 That he served another tour as a private soldier being a volunteer under Capt John Johnston primarally against the tories in the North Carolina militia that he marched to the mouth of Rocky River an the Yadkin where there was a battle with the Tories that the company in which he was did not a [illegible] till a few men
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utes after the firing ceasae Generla Rutheford Col Davidson & Major Johnston all the field officers recollected That this tour commenced as nar as he can recollect on the first of April 1779 and that he was discharged about the first of July following That he served for one Month as a private being a volunteer in Capt Chapenans company under the command of Gen Rutherford and Col Davidson being called into service to cover Ghates retreat after his defeat That in going out he saw Gen Smallwood Galisberry that this tour commenced about the last of August 1780 and ended about the last of September 1780 but that he cannot recollect the days precisely That he resided at the commencement of the war in Rowan County in the North Carolina and continued to reside at the same place till the close of the war that he has no documentary evidence ant that he knows of no person whos test5imony he can procure who can certify to his serviced That he was born in the year 1757 in Frederick County in the state of Virginia That he has a record of his age in a bible at his residence that he lived in Rowan County North Carolina when called into the service where he lived for eleven or twelve years after the war when he moved to Madison County in Kentucky and lived there and in Shelby count in the same state till about seven years and one month ago when he moved to this county where he has lived ever since That each time he served he was a volunteer that he recollects the names of General Smallwood Gen Lincoln Gen Pinkny an Col Pinkny and that the general circumstances of his service are stated in the foegoing declaration. That he is known to William J Mayo a clergyman and Milton K Alexander in the neighbourhood where
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he resides who can testify as to his character for truth and veracity and their belief of his service as a soldier of the revolution
That he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or anuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state Sworn to and Subscribed the day and year aforesaid
George Redmon
We William J Mayo clergyman residing in Edgar county and Milton K Alexander residing in the same do certify that we are well acquainted with George Redmon who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be seventy six years of age that he is reputed and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution that we concur in that opinion
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid
Will J Mayo
M K Alexander
 And the said court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier & he served as he states and the court further certifies that it appears to them that William J May who has signed the preceeding certificate is a clergyman residing in said county and that MK Alexander who also signed the same is a resident of the same county and is a credible person and that their statement is entitled to credit
Hanry G Smith
Hall Sims
Joseph Mathis
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I Milton K Alexander cr of the county commissioners court for the county of Edgar and state of Illinois do hereby stify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of GEorge Redmond for a pnsan and that Henry G smith Hall Sims and Joseph Matkin are the county commissioners of said county and that the signatures afixed to the foregoing certificate are their genuine signatures
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and private seal (no seal of office being yet provided) this 4th day of June AD 1833
seal
MK Alexander clerk

George Redmon
Declaration

The above named Milton K Alexander whose certificate as clk of the county Commissioners court of Edgar Cty is above affied is known by me to be clk of aforesaid & was at the date of making & attesting the same which is in due form according to the laws of Illinois
John M Robinson
Commis Ill
June 18 1833
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19714
George Redmond
Illinois
Adm 9 months

G73 Shellege
Paris
Edgar County
Illinois
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WAR DEPARTMENT
Pension Office
17th August 1833
Sir
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed before a pension can be allowed. The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus}). You will when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, shewing the Service of George Redmond

Period when the service was rendered 1778, 
Duration of the claimants service Years/months/days 5 months
3 months
1 month
Rank of the claimant prv
Names and rank of the Field officers under whom he served Cap Michaels
Cap Johnston
Cap Chapman
Age at present and place of above when he entered the service 76 years Rowan Co NC
Proof by which the declaration is supported Traditionary

I am respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
JAMES L EDWARDS
Commissioner of Pensions
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Regulations Under the Act of June 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occcasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c, Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of private armed vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
1. The Regular Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3. Persons employed in the Naval Service.
4. Indian Spies.
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, mucicians or privates, will, in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
Declaration,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of County of
ss.
On this day of personally appeared (a) before of aged (c) years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d), with and served in the (e) regiment of the line, under the following named officer:
Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; and if h served more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers; the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service ; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or, if any, only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
And then will follow the certificate of the Court
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I of the Court of do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the Court in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this day of &c.
If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers, or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and scribed a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
We, A.B., a Clergyman, residing in the and C.D. residing in the same hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the days and year aforesaid.
And then will follow the certificate of the Court.
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A.B. who has signed the preceding certificate is a  clergyman, resident in the and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, Clerk of the Court of do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this day of &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will the procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in the detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
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alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case.  The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corrobating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be at attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected.  All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.  
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
1.  Where and in what year were you born?
2.  Have you any record your age, and if so, where is it?
3.  Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
4.  How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute?  And if a substitute, for whom?
5.  State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
6.  {To a Soldier.} Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it?  {To an Officer.}  Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
7.  State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.  The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.  The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons - one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion.  If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party  And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.  
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.

[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides.  If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had.  Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled.  In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:  For  year  months, and  days, I served as a  For  months and  days, I served as a  ; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service.  The use of the phrase about three or four months, is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.  Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service.  This form of a declaration is highly objectionable.  It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served:  the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.

Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged.  The magistrate who may administer the oaths must  certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
[i] The notes from [a] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops,  The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[k] This traditionary evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[l] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[m] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
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BA-J/ILL
George Redmon
S. 32473

B.J. Walter
Wabash Post No. 423
Mount Carmel, Illinois.

Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of George Redmond who served from North Carolina and died in Illinois.
The data which follow were found in pension claim, S. 32473, based upon service of George in that war.
George Redmon was born in the year 1757, in Frederick County, Virginia: the names of his parents were not stated.
While a resident of Rowan County, North Carolina, he volunteered November 10, 1778 and served two weeks as private  in Captain Nichols' North Carolina company, after which he was transferred, on the road between Charleston, South Carolina, and Purysburg on the Savannah River, and served as wagoner under wagonmaster, Richardson, in the South Carolina troops and continued until April 10, 1779; he re-enlisted in April 1779 and served three months as private in Captain John Johnston's company, Colonel Davidson's North Carolina regiment. He enlisted about the last of August 1780, and served one month as private in Captain Chapman's North Carolina company.
The soldier resided in Rowan County, North Carolina, for eleven or twelve years after the war, moved then to Madison County, Kentucky, resided also in Shelby County, Kentucky, from which state he moved to Illinois.
George Redmon was allowed pension on his application executed June 4, 1833, at which time he resided in Edgar County, Illinois; he had resided in that county about seven years and six months. His name
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was borne George Redmond on the pension rolls. The soldier died April 5, 1837.
George Redmon married before his service in the Revolutionary War, Henrietta; her maiden name was not given, nor the date and place of their marriage. His widow, Henrietta, was living in Edgar County, Illinois, in 1838.
No reference was made to children of the soldier, noted above.
Very truly yours,

A.D. Hiller,
Executive Assistant to the Administrator.
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32473
Revy INVALID
File No 32473
George Redmond
Pri REv War
Act June 7th 32
Index Vol S, Page 337
[Arrangement of 1870]

1914 Aug 5 History to Miss Cecile E Fauble [letter Dr F 3030 Asa Moore] MBH
1914 Aug 12 history to Mrs Georgana Lycan MBH
1914 Jan 19 History to Dr Mr Gen USA For tombstone
21936 Oct 20 Hist to BJ Walter JLL
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War Dept Pen Office
June 9 1858
sir
In reply to your enquiry respectfully Mrs Henrietta Redmond widow of George Redmond decd I have to inform you that there is more than one objection to allowing her a pension Her husband it would seem died in April 1837 The 3d section of the act of 4th July 1836 provide for one who were not widows at the time of the passage of said act Another objection would be that her husbands first alleged tour of five months was as a wagoner and service as such is not provided for by the act of 7 June 1832 and his other service was only four months whereas said act requires six months service in a military
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capacity His claim should not therefore have been allowed and consequently if he had died before the passage of the act of 4 July 1836 the widow could not have obtained the benefit of that act 

J B Shelley
June 9 1838
Ill OC

JB Shelley Esq
Paris
Illinois
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REVOLUTIONARY WAR RECORDS SECTION.  3-525
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
BUREAU OF PENSIONS
Washington, D.C.  19

In reply to your request of received for a statement of the military history of George Redmond or Roedmond a soldier of the REVEOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau. 
SF 32473

DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT - Nov 10 1778
Apr 1 1779
Aug 1780
LENGTH OF SERVICE -Apr 10 1779
July 1 1779
1 mo
RANK - Pvt Wagoner
Pvt
Pvt
OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED
CAPTAIN - Nichols
Wagonmaster Richardson
John Johnston
Chapman
COLONEL - Pinckney
Davidson
Davidson
STATE - NC
SC
NC
NC
Battles engaged in none stated
Residence of soldier at enlistment Rowan Co NC
Date of application for pension June 4 1833 His claim was allowed
Residence at date of application Edgar Co Ill
Age at date of application, born in 1757 in Frederick Co Va died Apr 5 1837
Remarks he married prior to his service Henrietta and she was a resident of Edgar Co Ills in 1838 There is no further family data
Respectfully,
Commissioner.
6-2856
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American Legion, Wabash Post No. 423
Mt. Carmel, Illinois
September 28th, 1936.
H.J Walter.
Dept. of Military Records and Graves Registration

The Veterans Administration,
Bureau of Pensions,
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sir:
Kindly furnish the pension record and any other information available of a one George Redmon who served as Wagoner during the War of the Revolution enlisting from Rowen County, North Carolina.
This soldier died in Edger County, State of Illinois

Very truly  yours,
B.J. Walter
Dept. Military Records and Graves Registration,
American Legion,
Wabash Post #423

BJW: jaw
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Paris Illinois,
August 4th, 1914.

Bureau of Pensions,
Washington, D.C.

My dear Sir:
Will you by return mail give me the military history of George Redmon, who was a Revolutionary soldier and drew a pension in Edgar County in the year 1835? He is my ancestor and I am anxious to secure his military history.
Thanking you in advance, I am,
Yours truly,
(Mrs.) Georgiana Lycan
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PENSION
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JL Edwards
Com of Pensions
Washington City
DC

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Paris Ill May 29th 1838
Mr JL Edwards
Sir, In a conversation a few weeks ago with the pension agent for the state he informed me that there is a law of the United States which authorizes the widow of a deceased Revolutionary Pensioner who was married befor befor the services were performed for which he died to draw the same amount during her natural life There is a widow in this county in that situation Henrietta Redmond widow of George Redmond who died on the 5th day I believe of April 1837 He drew at the rate of thirty dollars per annum He and Henrietta were married be any of the services wer performed for which he drew and continued to live together as husband and wife till the day of his deat I wish to know by what mod she is to draw Is she to draw on the certificate of her husband proving the marriage to the satisfaction of the pension agent or is she to procure a new certificate from the War Department and if so what form of evidence is required I wish information on this subject and if any forms have been accoptice applicable to such
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cases I would be glad to be furnish a with a copy 
yours
GB Shelley

JL Edwards
Comm of Pensions