Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 30,352, Joshua Crump, Va.
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(3-1776)

SERVICE Va.
Crump, Joshua

NUMBER S .30,352

CONTENTS
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19302
Kentucky
Joshua Crump of Hart Co in the State of Ken who was a pr in the co commanded by Captain Culloway of the regt commanded by Gn Lawson in the Va line for 7 mos.
Inscribed on the Roll of Kent at the rate of 23 Dollars 33 Cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 22nd day of Augt 1833 and Wm T-Willis Greensberg
Arrears to the 4th of March 46.66
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4 Sept 11 66
                                                    $58 32
{Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832.}
Recorded by Danl Boyd Clerk
Book E  Vol.    Page 6

Date of death not on A. B.
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State of Kentucky    
County of Hart Sct

On this 11th day of September 1832 personally appeared in Open Court before the Justices thereof now in session Joshua Crump aged Sixty eight years in May next who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of congress passed June 7th 1832
That he entered the service of the United States in Bedford County Virginia under Capt John Calloway [Callaway] of the Eight horse in the year1780 as well as he now recollects that he rendezvoused at Petersburg Virginia and there remained until we were discharged but the length of time he was detained there he cannot certainly say tho he believes it was about two months. Our     Lieutenant's name was William Calloway. At Petersburg we were under the command of General Lawson that he entered the service above named as a volunteer and does not remember the other officers who commanded [illegible]. That he entered the service again as a substitute he believes in the year 1781 but for whom he substituted himself he cannot now recollect that he was marched to New-London Campbell County Virginia to assist in guarding the magazine at that place and there remained a short time when the magazine was removed into Botetout [Botetourt] County and he removed with it still acting as a guard that saw
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magazine was shortly afterward moved back again to New London in consequence of Lord Cornwallis retreat down towards York and he still detained as a guard until the expiration of three months from the time he commenced the service as a guard. That Capt Irish had the command of the magazine and Capt Butler commanded the guard that he served out the term of three months for which he first enjoyed but received no discharge
That he again entered the service in 1782 as a private under Capt Richardson. A Mr Graves Lieutenant as a substitute for John P Crump was mustered into the service in New Kent County and marched down to York and there remained until discharged but the length of time he was engaged in the service this last time he cannot say but is confident it was not less than six or eight weeks when they were discharged
That he never received any written discharge and has no documentary evidence of his service  In each of the services spoken of by him he was in the service of the United States in the Revolutionary War again the British. That he does not remember the names of the other officers of the army with whom he served. That he was born in the state of
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Virginia and resided there until the year 1795 when he removed to Kentucky and has resided in Kentucky ever since and now resides in Hart County Kentucky. This applicant further states that he knows of no one in this Country by whom he can prove his services or any part thereof except Jeremiah Dawson and no more by him than is contained in his affidavit hereafter to be filed as part of this application. He thereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not in the Pension Roll of the agency of any State ["or (if any)" crossed out]
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Joshua Crump

The Court examined the applicant Joshua Crump [illegible] upon the interrogatories proposed by the War department  To the first He answered that he was born in New Kent County Virginia in the month of May 1765 and had now in his possession a record of his age. To the third he answered that he resided in Bedford County Virginia when he entered the service and had resided since the War as stated in his declaration and now resides in Hart County Kentucky  To the fourth he stated that he was called in to the service & served as stated in his declaration. He further stated that he did not recollect the names of any of the officers with whom he served except those stated in his declaration. That he never received any discharge from the service and that Richard Munford Jeremiah Dawson & Nathaniel
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Roundtree of his neighborhood are well acquainted with him and can testify as to his character for veracity & their belief of his services as a soldier of the revolution. Said applicant further states that there was no clergyman residing near him by whom his statement can be established
We Richard Munford Jeremiah Dawson & Nathaniel Roundtree
farmer[s] residing in Hart County State of Kentucky hereby certify that we are well acquainted Joshua Crump Esqu who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be of the age represented by him in his declaration and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn & subscribed the day & year aforesaid
Richard Mumford
Jeremiah Dawson
Nathaniel Roundtree

Sworn to this 9th Ocb 1852
C Murray J. P. H. C

Joshua Crump Declaration
And the said court do hereby certify & declare their aforesaid after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states and the court further certify ["that after" crossed out] they know of no minister of the Gospel resident in Hart County that they know to be acquainted with Joshua Crump the applicant who can certify as to his character and that it seems to them that Richard Munford Jeremiah Dawson & Nathaniel Roundtree resident citizens of Hart County are credible persons and there [their] statements as above made are entitled to full credit
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Joshua Crump
Ken
21 Feby 1833
[illegible]. 5.14.16
from 1780 private
7 mo. $23.33/100
P.260

Wm. T. Willis
Greensburgh 
Ke
["Honl A. G. Hawes" crossed out]
E
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Brief in the case of Joshua Crump
of Hart County in the State of Kentucky
{Act 7th June, 1832}
1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge?  Open Court
2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity? 
3. How old is he?  68 years in May last
4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed.

Period
In 1780. Volunteer
1781. (Substitute)
1782. du

Duration of Service
about 2 month
about 3 months
about six to eight weeks

Rank as a 

Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.
Capt. Jno. Calloway Virginia
Genl. Lawson          [Virginia]
Capt. Irish                   do
"   Butler                    [do]
"   Richardson             do

5. In what battles was he engaged? None
6, Where did he reside when he entered the service?  Bedford County-Virginia
7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? Traditionary evidence, & one living witness
8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? they are defective both in form and authentication

I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.

Wm Gordon Examining Clerk.
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Joshua Crump's
amended Declaration
for Pension
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State of Kentucky Hart County SC

On this 16th day of May 1833 personally appeared before me a justice of the peace for Hart County Kentucky Joshua Crump of said county, who being by me duly sworn according to law, deposeth and saith that by reason of old age and the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively to the precise length of time he served as a soldier of the American Revolution, but according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below and in the following grades 
For two months I served in the first tour mentioned in my declaration as a private soldier, under Captain Calloway-For three months I served in the second tour guarding the magazine of the country as a private soldier as mentioned in my original declaration - For two months I served in the third and last expedition or tour mentioned in my declaration as a private soldier also -
I served also, some other tours against the tories for which services, however I make no claims - But for the three tours above stated amounting in all to not less than Seven months, I claim a pension from the Government. 
Joshua Crump
Sworn to and subscribed the day and date above named before me a justice of the peace for the said county of Hart & State aforesaid -
Benj J MCaul J.P.H.C.

On this 16th day of May 1833 Col Alexander Gardner and George T Wood Esqr came personally before me and being duly sworn according to law, stated that they are now & have been for many years past well acquainted with Joshua Crump Esqr who was sworn to & signed the above statement, & who resides in Hart County Kentucky, and that they believed him to be sixty eight years of age of thereabouts and altho from the modesty of Squire Crump they have not heard much talk of his having been a soldier of the Revolution, yet from his statements on oath or otherwise of the fact, we have no doubt he did serve
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as he has stated, we know him to be a man of good moral character, & respectability and his statements entitled to implicit credence-we live in Hart county, and know of no clergyman who resides in said Crumps neighborhood, who could certify as to his services-sworn to & subscribed the day & date above before me a justice of the peace in & for said county of Hart & state aforesaid-
Ale Gardner
G. T. Wood

Benj J M[c]Caul JPHC

I Benjamin J M[c]Caul a justice of the peace in and for Hart county Kentucky do certify that Alexander Gardner & George T Wood affidavits were sworn to and subscribed before me on the day and date above named towit on the 16th day of May 1833 and I moreover certify that said Alexander Gardner & said George T Wood are gentlemen of truth and respectability, and their statements entitled to full faith and credit given under my hand this 16th day of May 1833
Benj. J. M[c]Caul JPHC.

I George T Wood Clerk of the Heart [Hart] county court do certify that Benjamin J M[c]Caul who has subscribed the foregoing affidavits & certificates is now and was when He signed the same a justice of the peace in and for Hart county Kentucky duly commissioned & qualied [qualified] according to law, and that his signature thereto is genuine & full faith and credit is and ought to be given to his official acts as [illegible] witness my hand and the seal of my office hereto affixed this 16th day of May 1833
G T Wood
Clerk of the Hart County Court
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February 7, 1936
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Joshua Crump
S. 30352
BA-J/MLB

Mr. Wayne Guthrie
Box 274
Pleasant Hill, Illinois

Dear Sir:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the record of Joshua Crump, of Virginia, born about 1764, pensioned in Hart County, Kentucky, and died after 1840, also, the record of William Crump, both soldiers of the Revolutionary War.
There is no claim for pension or bounty land on file based upon service in the Revolution of the William Crump described by you. Such claims are the source of Revolutionary War data furnished by this office.
You are furnished herein the record of the only soldier named Joshua Crump found in the Revolutionary War records of this office, the date of which were obtained from the papers on file in pension claim, S. 30352, based upon his service in the Revolution.
Joshua Crump was born in May, 1765, in New Kent County, Virginia; the names of his parents are not shown.
While residing in Bedford County, Virginia, he volunteered in 1780 and served two months as private in Captain John Calloway's Virginia company. He enlisted in 1781, served as a private in Captain Butler's Virginia company, engaged in guarding the magazine which was located first at New London, Campbell County, Virginia, then moved to Botetourt County, same state, length of tour three months. He enlisted in 1782 as a substitute for one John P. Crump (relationship not statedJ) and served six or eight weeks as private in Captain Richardson's Virginia company.
The soldier resided in the State of Virginia until 1795 when he moved to Kentucky.
Joshua Crump was allowed pension on his application executed September 11, 1832, while a resident of Hart County, Kentucky. He
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was still living there in 1833.
No reference was made in the claim to wife or children.
In order to obtain date of last payment of pension, the name of the person paid and possibly the date of death of Joshua Crump, you should write to the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city, and cite the following:
Joshua Crump
Certificate #19302
Issued August 22, 1833
Rate $23.33 per annum
Commenced March 4, 1831
Act June 7, 1832
Kentucky Agency.

Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant to the Administrator
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30352
INVALID
Revy
File No. S0, 352
Joshua Crump
Pvt Rev War
Act: June 7n 32"
Index:-Vol. 2, Page 87
{Arrangement of 1870}

1922, Sept.-27 hist to Mrs J. D. Schnell. Eu.
1923-July 2-Hist to Mrs. W. R. Benson aus
1927-Feb. 2-His to Dr. Ramon
F. Dorset-MMHF 
1936, Feb. 7-Hist. to Wayne Guthrie MLB
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Joshua Crump~

Mrs T. Willis
Greensburgh 
Ky
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Joshua Crump which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? Yes
II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? Yes
III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so?
IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? Yes
V. Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amout [amount] of pension he is entitled? No
No. see quere 5
VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? Yes
VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act June 7, 1832? Yes
VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? Yes
IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? Yes
X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? Yes
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XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? No
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? Yes
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had?
XIV. +If the applicant has produced a witness or witnesses as to his service, has the magistrate who administered the oath certified that he, she, or they are persons of credibility? No  No. see Quere 14
Has the official character and signature of the magistrate been certified by the proper officer under his seal of office? No   No
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?
XVI. ++ Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? No No. see Quere 16
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? they are answered
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
Quere V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:  For _______ year_______ months and_______days, I served as a _________. For________
months and _______days, I served as a __________; and for such service I claim a pension."
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which the applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase "about three or four months" is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable
+QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
++QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticated the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the end of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
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October 9th 1832
This day Jeremiah Dawson made oath before before me a justice of the peace in & for Hart County that in the latter part of the year 1780 He was in the service of the United States as a soldier and then saw--Joshua Crump Sr who is an applicant for a pension engaged in the service of the United States as a soldier in a horse company commanded by Capt John Callaway & that he did know said Crump was engaged in the service afsd as stated in his declaration. He further states that he knows a magazine was kept at New London and was removed from thence to Green ferry Botetourt County Virginia. Said affiant further states that he has been acquainted with said Crump ever since and that he is a man of excellent moral character and entitled upon oath to full faith & credit. Said affiant further states that he has resided near said Crump many years and that it is believed by his neighbors that he did serve as stated in his declaration
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Hart County State of Kentucky
I Alexander Gardner a justice of the peace in and for said county do certify that the foregoing affidavit of Jeremiah Dawson of Hart county Kentucky was sworn to before me on the date thereof and I certify that said Dawson from my knowledge of him is a man of truth and respectability, and his statement in his said affidavit is entitled to credit & belief given under my hand this 16th day of May 1833
A Gardner J.P.H.C.

I George T Wood Clerk of the Hart county court do certify that Alexander Gardner whose signature is affixed to the above affidavit is now and was at the times of signing the same an acting justice of the peace for Hart County Kentucky and that his signature thereto is genuine, and that full faith and credit is and ought to be given to his official acts as such-In testimony whereof I hereto subscribe my name and affix my seal of office this 16th day of May 1833
G. T. Wood
Clerk of the Court of Hart County

[letters/writing illegible at lower left]
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5 [illegible]
State of Kentucky
Hart County sct
George T. Wood Clerk of the Court of Hart County do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of said in the matter of the application of Joshua Crump for a pension--
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this 25th day of November 1822 And in the 41st year of the Commonwealth
G. T. Wood

State of Kentucky
Hart county Sct
I George T. Wood Clerk of the Hart county court do certify that Charles Murray whose name is affixed to the affidavits of Richard Mumford Jeremiah Dawson and Nathaniel Roundtree is now and was at the time of signing the same an acting justice of the peace in and for Hart county Kentucky, and that his signature thereto is genuine, & that said Murray is duly sworn aforesaid justice of the peace for said county according to law and was when he certified said affidavits and that full faith and credit is and ought to be given to his official acts as such- In testimony of which I hereto set my hand & affix my seal of office this 16th day of May 1833
Clerk of Hart county Court
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Columbus, Ga. June 28, 1922.

Pension Bureau.
Washington, D. C.

Dear Sir, 
Will you kindly give me a copy of Rev. record or pension record of Joshua Crump a Rev. soldier of Va.

Very truly,
Mamie Hoyle Schnell
918 Second Ave.

[Stamp] 
Pension 
F
U AUG
30 S.
1922
Office
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3-049
Ex. MMH Div. Rev War Section
Department of the Interior,
Bureau of Pensions.
Washington, D. C. Aug. 21, 1922
The attached letter is respectfully returned with the information that the data furnished is not sufficient to enable this Bureau to make intelligent answer to the queries therein contained. 
Please fill out such of the blank spaces below as the information in your possession will permit, and return to this Bureau.

1st name of widow ["No. of claim." crossed out]
Name of soldier.
["P. O." crossed out] address of ["claimant" crossed out] soldier at enlistment and after service
["Company" crossed out]
["Regiment" crossed out}

[Stamp] 
Pension
F
U AUG 
30 S.
1922
Office.

State where enlisted
Date of ["enlistment" crossed out] birth
Date of ["discharge" crossed out] death
If unable to furnish company and regiment give names of commanding officers.
Return attached letter with reply.
Washington - Gardner
Commissioner
6-2469
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Columbus, Ga.
June 28, 1922.

Pension Bureaus
Washington, D. C.

Dear Sir,
Am returning inquiry with slip. I can not fill in the blanks. The Revolutionary soldier whose record I am seeking to establish - Joshua Crump I think he was - had a wife named Martha. Her
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husband was a Revolutionary soldier of Virginia. I wish this information for D. A. R membership.

Very truly
Mamie Hoyle Schnell
Mrs. J. D. Schnell
918 Second Ave.

[Stamp]
Pension
F
U AUG
30 S.
1922
Office
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Clarence, Mo.,
May 12, 1923

The Commissioner of Pensions
Washington, D. C.

Dear Sir:-
Will you please have sent to my address all available data concerning the following pensioners: (Rev. war)
McCutchen, Jno., (Augusta Co., Va.)
Barnett, Chas. Granville, N. C.
Barnett, Ambrose, Nicholas, Ky.
Crump, Joshua, Hart, Ky.
Hatton, Reuben, Boone Co., Mo.
Hayden, Benj. Henry, Ky.
Marshall, Benj., Stokes, N. C.
Sparks, Hy., Owen, Ky.
Crump, Henry, Hampshire Co, W. Va.

Very truly, 
(Mrs. W. R.) May Hart Benson

[stamped twice]
PENSION
G 
U MAY 
16 S.
1923
OFFICE
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[SEAL] VETERANS BUREAU
6913
UNITED STATES VETERANS HOSPITAL
NEW YORK (BRONX), N.Y.

THIS LETTER REFERS TO YOUR FILE NUMBER:
IN REPLY REFER TO:

January 26th 1927.

Pension Bureau,
Washington, D. C.

Dear Sirs;
I understand Joshau [Joshua] Crump, Sr when living in Hart County, Ky was pensioned in the year 1833 having served in the Va. militia during the Revolution. From your records can you give me the date of his death, who he married, her death (date) names of his children and etc.
I am very anxious to secure information regarding the above man and your help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanking you, I remain,

Very truly yours,
Ramone F. Dorset
Dr. Ramon F. Dorset,
U. S. Veterans Hospital
Bronx N. Y. C.

S of V 1835 Pen 3 p103 Ky.
[stamp]
PENSION
JAN
U. 28 S.
1927
OFFICE
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Box 274
Pleasant Hill, Ill.
Jan. 26, 1936
[stamp]
RECEIVED
FEB 1 1936
MAIL SUB-DIV.
VET. ADM. 
READER #15
[numbers 1-12 surrounding above]

Veteran's Administration
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sir:
I would like to enquire of your bureau concerning information about Joshua Crump, a Revolutionary soldier. Joshua Crump probably served from Virginia. He was born about 1764 and died after 1840.
I know that Joshua Crump was a pensioned Revolutionary soldier and that his pension was sent to Hart Co. Kentucky: according to the Secretary of War's Report for 1835, pension 3, Kentucky 103. I also know that his wife's name was Mary (Polly) Patterson.
I am interested, however, in the names of his children and of his parents, if they are given in your records. I would also like to know any other family data given.
If it is not asking too much, I would also like to know anything given in your records about a William Crump, who was also a Revolutionary soldier, and who also probably had his pension sent to Kentucky, if he received one.

Respectfully yours,
Wayne Guthrie
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Rev. & 1812 Wars Section
MMHF 

February 2, 1927

Dr. Ramon F. Dorset
U. S. Veterans Hospital
Bronx, New York City

Sir:
I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 30352 it appears that Joshua Crump was born in May 1765 in New Kent County, Virginia.
While a resident of Bedford County, Virginia he enlisted in 1780 and served two months as private in Captain John Calloway's Virginia Company; enlisted in 1781 and served three months as private under Captain Butler in the Virginia Troops guarding the magazines; enlisted in 1782 and served six or eight weeks as private in Captain Richardson's Virginia Company.
In 1795 he moved from Virginia to Kentucky, and was allowed pension on his application executed September 11, 1832 while a resident of Hart County, Kentucky.
There is no data on file as to his family.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension, the name of person paid, and possibly the date of his death,
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you should apply to the Civil Division, General Accounting Office, Washington, D. C. citing all of the following data:
"Joshua Crump, Certificate No. 19302, issued August 22, 183 1833, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of June 7, 1832, rate $23.33 per annum, Kentucky Agency".
Respectfully,
Winfield Scott
Commissioner.
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RECORD  DIVISION
REVOLUTIONARY WAR RECORDS SECTION
3-525
DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
S30352 
BUREAU OF PENSIONS.
Washington, D. C., 9-27, 1922

In reply to your request of _______, received__________ for a statement of the military history of Joshua Crump a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau.

DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT.
1780
1781
1782

LENGTH OF SERVICE.
2 Mos.
3 Mos.
6-8 Weeks

RANK
Pvt.

OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED
CAPTAIN.
Jno. Calloway
Butler
Richardson

COLONEL.
[check]
[check]
[check]

STATE.
Va.

Battles engaged in, None stated.
Residence of soldier at enlistment, Bedford Co., Va.
Date of application for pension, Sept 11 1832-al.
Residence at date of application, Hart Co., Ky - ["in 1795-" crossed out]
Age at date of application, b. May, 1765 in New Kent Co. Va.
Remarks:
Respectfully,
Commissioner.
1795 [illegible]
6-2856