Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 8575, for Christopher Ramser, New York
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New York
Ramser, Christopher
Debrorah
No 8575
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X3326
Deborah Ramser
N Y
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State of New York
County of Montgomery

I certify that I hereby give my opinion after examining the declaration and affidavit hereto annexed that Christopher Ramser named in said declaration was a private in the War of Revolution and has served in said war as stated in said declaration [illegible] and that Deborah Ramser mentioned in said declaration was the lawful wife of the said Christopher and married to him at the time stated in said declaration and that the said Christopher Ramser died at the time mentioned in said declaration and that the said Deborah now is and has remained the widow of the said Christopher, ever since the day of his death and I further certify that the said Deborah Ramser is unable to attend any of the Courts of Record in said county by reason of bodily infirmities.  Given under my hand February 13th 1838.  John Hand, a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the county of Montgomery.
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deponent does not [illegible] of any witnesses living and depends on the rolls in the War Department.  She further declares that she was married to the said Christopher Ramser on the 29th day of November 1774 in the City of Albany and [illegible] aforesaid by the Reverend Mr. Loll and that her husband, the aforesaid Christopher Ramser died on the 7th day of March 1831 and that she has remained a widow ever since that period as will more fully [illegible] by reference hereto to the proof [illegible].
Deborah (her mark) Ramser
Sworn and subscribed on the day and year above written before .
I further certify that I am acquainted with Deborah Ramser who has sworn to the foregoing declaration.  I know her a creditable person and that the statements by her made  therein are entitled to true credit.  She has made her mark in subscribing said declaration for the reason she never learned to write.  The words in the Revolutionary war on the fourteenth line from the top was [illegible] before sworn to. 
John Hand, a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the County of Montgomery
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State of New York
Montgomery County

On this 13th day of February 18238 personally appeared before John Hand, one of the judges of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County aforesaid, Deborah Ramser, a resident of the Town of Amsterdam, County and state aforesaid, aged eighty six years, who being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed July 7th 1836.  That she is the widow of Christopher Ramser deceased who was a private in the Revolutionary War in the militia of the State aforesaid.  Claimant further says that her husband entered the service in a Company commanded by Captain Christopher Tillman in the year 1775 in the Town of Lansingburgh and state aforesaid and served in short tours in 1775 and 1776 at least one year as this deponent believes, tho Colonels [illegible]  she does not recollect. Claimant further says that in 1777, 1778, 1779,1780, 1781, 1782 and 1783 her said husband belonged to a company commanded by Captain Matthew Diganno and Col. Peter Gates Regiment and that her said husband served in short tours in the above years at least two years in all a period of a least three years.
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State of New York
Montgomery County

Personally appeared before the subscriber one of the Judges of the Court of Common Please in and for this County aforesaid - Peter Ramser a resident of the Town of Amsterdam County and State Aforesaid who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following statements: that his father Christopher Ramser died on the Seventh day of April 1831 and that his Mother Deborah Ramser is a Widow and has been one since the death of his father, and further this deponent saith not.
Peter Ramser
Subscribed and Sworn to this 18th day of February 1838 before me, John Hand, a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the County of Montgomery. I further certify that I am personally acquainted with Pete Ramser who has sworn to the above affidavit and know him to be a creditable person and the statements made therein are entitled to full credit. John Hands, a Judge of  The Court of Common Pleas of the County of Montgomery.
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State of New York
Montgomery County
Clerk's Office
I do hereby certify that John Hand Esquire whose name is subscribed to the front &c of the foregoing affidavit and proceedings was on the day of the date of the same a Judge of the County Courts of the County of Montgomery, and duly authorised by the Laws of the said State to administer Oaths &c in and for the County aforesaid and that his signature subscribed to the same is genuine.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and my seal of office this 14th day of February 1839
AJ Comrie, Clerk
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June 19, 1940

BA-J/ADY
Christopher Ramser, R 8575
Mr W.H. Hutchison
30 Quebec Street
Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

Dear Sir
The data contained herein were obtained from the papers on file in the Revolutionary War pension claim, R.8575, based on the military service in that war of Christopher Ramser.
The date and place of birth and the names of the parents of Christopher Ramser are not shown.
Hi died April 7, 1831, place not given. His age not stated.
He married November 20, 1774, in Albany, new York, Deborah, her maiden name not given.

Christopher Ramser's widow, Deborah Ramser, applied for pension February 13, 1838, at which time she was a resident of Amsterdam, Montgomery County, New York, and aged eighty-six years. She stated that her husband, Christopher Ramser, enlisted in Lansingburgh, New York, and served on short tours during 1775 and 1776, as private in Captain Christopher Tillman's Company, and that during 1777-1783 inclusive, he served on short tours as private in Captain Matthew DeGarmo's Company, Colonel Peter Yates' New York Regiment.
Her claim for pension was not allowed as she failed to furnish proof of service as required by the pension laws.
In 1838, Peter Ramser, son of Christopher and Deborah Ramser, was living in Amsterdam New York, his age not shown. There are no further family data.
Very truly yours
A. D. Hiller
Executive Assistant to the Administrator
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1924-Oct-31 Hist to Wager G Carey for MM&F
1940 June 19 Hist to WH Hutchison Atty

REJECTED
8575
Deborah Ranser
[Ser]vice: Christopher Ramser
[Enl]isted:_______,18
[Dis]charged: _______,18

Application filed: _______,18

[crossed out] oges: Printed list of 1852 gives as cause of suspension " suspended for proof of marriage and of service"

Attorney: 

____Recognized._______ Contract
___Cert. of Dis. Searched for ________, 18
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4
N. York
Deborah Ramser
[crossed out:] Set to MJ Boull 28 April 1838, to same 17 July 1838
8575
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17 July 1838
OC
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War Department
Pension Office
July 17, 1838
Sirs
In reply to your letter of the 28th alto[?] respecting the claim of Mrs. Deborah Remser I have to state that it is highly improbable that the  claimant's husband  could have served, under the the officer mentioned, long enough to entitle her to a pension -If it should be attempted to sustain her claim in that respect: proof of her marriage would also be necessary

MJ Boull, Esq
Amsterdam
N.Y.
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Hon. Mr. (Cut off]
21 April 1838
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War Department
Pension Office
Apr 21 1838
Sirs
The papers of Mrs Deborah Remser widowed of Christopher Remser have been examined and files -the Claimant states that her husband [served?]  at least one year in Capt. Christopher Tillman's company in 1775 & 6 and that from 1777 to 1783 he served at least 2 years in Capt. Matthew Degurme's Company Col Yates regt. There is no evidence in the Department as to this service in Capt Tillman's Company. Of Capt Degume's Company there are notes embracing the years 1779, 1780 & 1781 but the name of the claimant's husband does not appear there. The regt was composed of militia & from the extent of the service on record during the 3 years mentioned it is very doubtful whether any individual belonging to the Regt was in actual service four mounts during its existence
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The date of the marriage of the claimant should be established by record evidence.

21 April 1838
MJ Boull Esq
Amsterdam
NY
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Deborah Ramsen
File with papers

Am Aug 31 1837
Recd
MJ Boull
Aug 31
Hon J.L. Edwards
Pension Commission
Washington
DC
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Amsterdam August 29 1837

Dear Sir
I should feel pleased to hear from the Pension [illegible] in the case of Deborah Ramser widow of Christopher Ramser as soon as convenient

I am yours with respect
Matthias J Boull

Hon J.L. Edwards
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Mrs. Ramser

Marked July 2 NY
Hon JL Edwards
Pension Commissm
Washington DC
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Amsterdam June 28 '38
dear Sur
In your last letter to me in the case of Deborah Ramser widow of Christopher Ramser you state that it is necessary to establish the marriage - That I can do if she can be allowed a pension on the testimony before this  department

I am yours respectfully
Matthias J Boull

Hon J.L. Edwards
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3326
[Illegible]20
NY
4 July '38
Perhaps this can be registered

Hon J.L. Edwards 
Pension Commission
Washington
DC
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Amsterdam February 16th 1838
Dear Sir
Enclosed I forward you the papers of Deborah Ramser widow of Christopher Ramser  as she has no living witnesses that she knows of but depends on the New York rolls [illegible] in your Office [illegible] Captain Matthew Gegarmes Company. I hope you will examine the rolls of that company I have given all the facts in her declaration that I could obtain you will see by her declaration that she is 86 years of age and in case you find that her husband's service being enough to entitle her to a Pension I will [illegible] the marriage satisfactory to your ____ this case as soon as you commission will permit
I ___ yours with the ____of esteem
Matthias J Boull

Hon J.L. Edwards
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30 Quebec Street
Oshawa, Ont, Can
Jan 11th, 1940

Bureau of Pensions
Revolutionary Department
Washington, DC
Dear Sir
I am anxious to ascertain if any of the name of Ransier, Ramseer, Ramsauer or Ramseyer, drew pensions or left dependents who may have drawn pensions as a rsult of having fought in the war of the Revolution. I note  George Ransier was said to have been killed at Oriskany and I would appreciate any information that you might be able to give in this connection.
Yours very truly,
W.H. Hutchinson

[Handwritten notes:] Only one Geo and One John, one Christopher Ramser 
no others
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3-049
Rev and 1812 Wars Sect
Department of the Interior
Bureau of Pensions
Washington DC Aug 20 1924.

The attached letter is respectfully returned with the information that the data furnished is not sufficient to enable this Bureau to make intelligent answer to the queries therein contained.
Please fill out such of the blank spaces below as the information in your possession will permit, and return to this Bureau
1st name of widow
Name of soldier: Christopher Ramser
Address Soldier at enlistment and after service
State where enlisted
Date of birth
Date of Death
If unable to furnish company and regiment give names of commanding officers
Yates' Regiment New Yok Militia
Lt Col. John Van Rensselaer -Comm
Return attached letter with reply
Washington  [illegible]
Commissioner
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Pension office
Oct 14
1924
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October 31, 1924
Wagar G. Carey, Jr
Woodland, Calif
Sir, 
I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim R 8575 it appears that Christopher Ramser married November 20, 1774 in Albany, New York, Deborah (maiden name not stated). He died April 7, 1831
His widow Deborah applied for pension on February 13, 1838 while living in Amsterdam, Montgomery County, New York aged eighty-six years and alleged that her husband Christopher Ramser  enlisted in Lansingburgh,  New York and served on short tours during 1775 and 1776 as a private in Captain Christopher Tillman's Company, and that during 1777-1783 inclusive, he served on short tours as a private in Captain Matthew DeGarmo's Company, Colonel Peter Yates' New York Regiment.
Her claim was not allowed as she failed to furnish proof of the alleged service as required by the
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pension laws.
Their son Peter Ramser was a resident of Amsterdam, New York, in 1838.
Respectfully

Miss Wilson said not use the length of the 2 services - 1 yr & 2 years
Commissioner
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BA-J/ ----D /ADY
Christopher Ramser

Mr W H Hutchison
30 Quebec Street
Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

Dear Sir: 

Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of George Ramser who was killed in the battle of Oriskaay and the records of any other soldiers with that surname, variously spelled Ransier, Ramseer, Ramsaier, Ramseyer, etc
There are claims for pension on file based on upon service of three men only on the Revolutionary War with the surname above - those of Christopher Ramser, George and John Ransier. Those records are furnished for you herewith

Very truly yours

AD Hiller
Executive Assistant to the Administrator