Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 14733, John Tuder, N.C.
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[typed form with handwritten responses]
(3-1776)
SERVICE  NUMBER
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Tuder, John  
S.14733.
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[typed form, with handwritten responses]

[left side] Dead
Paid at the Treasury under the act of the 6 April 1838 from 4th Sept 1837 to 10 Janry [January] 1838, the day of his death 
Agt [Agent\ notified 31. Janry 1839.

[right side] Kentucky 1757
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John Tuder
of Madison in the State of Kentucky who was a private in the compy commanded by Captain Hicks of the Regt commanded by Col. Taylor in the N. Carolina line for 9 months from 1780
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Inscribed on the Roll of Kentucky at the rate of 30- Dollars -- Cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1831.
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Certificate of Pension issued the 10. day of Nov 1832 -- -- and sent Jos. Turner Richmond, Ky
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Arrears to 4th of Sept 1832  Semi=anl. [annual] allowance ending 4-  March 1833 
45.00
15.00
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$60. --
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{Revolutionary Claim} 
{Act June 7, 1832.}

Recorded by Nathan Rice Clerk Book D Vol. 9 Page 62.
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8130.
John Tuder
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} Decloration 
For a pension
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State of Kentucky}
Madison County Sct} 
On this 13th day of August, personally appeared in open court, before the Worshipful the County Court of Madison, now sitting, John Tuder, a resident of Madison County and State of Kentucky aged 78 years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth, on his oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832.
That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated: That he cannot recollect the day, month or year he entered the service. That he served three tours of duty of three months each. That his first Captain's name was Nathaniel Snipes, that he went on an Indian expedition in the State of North Carolina, Granville County against the Cherokees. That Gen. Thomas Parsons negotiated a peace with the Indians before he reached the Indian country. That William Hicks was the Captain he served his second tour under, William Easter Lieutenant, Col. Joseph Taylor commanded the Regiment. This was in 1781, but he does not know the day or month. That during this tour he was in the battle at Guilford court house, N. C. [March 15, 1781], that he resided in North Carolina when he entered the service, Granville County, -- Gen, Green [Nathanael Greene] commanded at the battle at Guilford – Gen. Morgan [Daniel Morgan] was there as deponent thinks, That he served his third tour under Capt. Philip Yancey, the troops rendezvoused at Harrisburgh [Harrisburg], Granville County N. C. That Gens [Generals] Butler [John Butler] and Eaton [Thomas Eaton]
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were then present. That the wagon master required a guard to guard his wagons to Salisbury. That Capt. Yancey volunteered for that service, and this deponent volunteered under him. That he was then marched to Frohawk's Mills [Frohock's Mills] to guard the magazine &c and here he remained till Cornwallis was taken [Yorktown, October 19, 1781] and in a short time afterwards was discharged. That he was drafted into the service Generals Green [Greene] and Morgan were the Continental officers with which he served at Guilford and he recollects of none other at any place. That he has no documentary evidence, and he knows of no person, whose testimony he can procure, who can testify to his services except his brother Valentine Tuder {S.30755]. That he was born in Brunswick County Virginia, in 1754, that his father moved to Granville County North Carolina when he was quite small. That he has no record of his age-- that an elder brother took it away to Barren County Kentucky. That he resided in Granville County N. C. when called into service. That he moved from North Carolina in 1785, and has resided in Madison County State of Kentucky ever since. That he received one discharge, which he has lost, but he believes it was signed by Maj. Langhorn, commander at Frohawk's [Frohock's] Mills near Salisbury. He is known to the Rev. Joseph R. Pond and to James Bogie Sen. and John Taylor Sen. and Thomas Turner in his neighborhood. This deponent hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency
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of any state. Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
John Tuder, Senior

We Joseph R. Pond, a clergyman, residing in Madison county, and Valentine Tuder residing in same, hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Tuder, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration - that we believe him to be 78 years old in Oct. next, that he is reputed and believed to be a soldier of the revolution, and that we concur in that opinion. Valentine Tuder makes oath that he is his brother and knows that he served as stated in his declaration Sworn to, and subscribed the day aforesaid Joseph R. Pond } 
Valentine [his x mark] Tuder } 
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And the said court hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the war department, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states. And the court further certifies, that it appears to them that J. R. Pond, who has signed the preceding certificate, is a clergy man resident in Madison county, and that Valentine Tuder, who has also signed the same, is a resident of Madison County, and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.- 
Wm Goodloe 
Richd Broaddus 
James Diparnatt
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Kentucky, Madison County Sev.
I David Irvine clerk of the court of Madison County do hereby certify the foregoing contains
the original proceeding of the said Court in the matter of the application of John Tuder for a pension

In Testimony whereof I have hereunto
set my hand & seal of office this 17
day of August 1832
David Irvine CMC
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8/30
John Tuder
from 1780. present
nine months
$30.-

Jos: Turner
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BRIEF in the case of John Tuder
of County of Madison in the State of Kentucky
8130
(Act 7th June, 1832.)

1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Court

2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?

3. How old is he? 78

4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed.
Period.
In 17 yr not [? mentioned]
1781 drafted
Duration of Service.
Years, Months, Days.
3 [months]
3 [months]
3 [months
Rank.
As a private
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Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.
Capt. Nathaniel Snipes
Cap. Wm Hick, Col. Taylor
Gen. Green & Morgan
Capt. Philip Yancey
Gens Butler & Eaton

5. In what battles was he engaged? Guilford

6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Grenville [Granville] County N. Car:

7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by
incidental evidence, or by the rolls? one witness & traditionary

8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect?
Correct

I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
T. Waugh
Examining Clerk.
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January 31, 1938
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JOHN TUDER
S. 14733
BA-J/MLB

Mrs. Margaret T. Adams
204 Lancaster Avenue
Richmond, Kentucky

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your letters in which you request to know whether or not gravestones are furnished for soldiers of the Revolution, and in which you request, also, the Revolutionary War record of John Tuder.

For information in regard to markers for graves of soldiers in the Revolutionary War, you should apply to the Quartermaster General,
Memorial Branch, War Department, this city.

The record has been found of a John Tuder who served in the Revolutionary War from North Carolina and applied for pension while living in Madison County, Kentucky. His record follows as shown in pension claim, S. 14733, based upon his service in the Revolutionary War.

John Tuder was born in October, 1754, in Brunswick County, Virginia. The names of his parents were not stated. When John was small, his father moved to Granville County, North Carolina.

While a resident of Granville County, North Carolina, John Tuder enlisted, date not given, and served three months as a private in
Captain Nathaniel Snipes' North Carolina company, on an expedition against
the Cherokee Indians. He enlisted in 1781, served three months as private in Captain William Hicks' company, Colonel Joseph Taylor's North Carolina regiment, during which tour he was in the battle of Guilford.
He enlisted and served a third tour of three months as private in Captain Philip Yancey's North Carolina company, and was discharged soon after the surrender of Cornwallis.

The soldier continued to reside in Granville County, North Carolina, until 1785, when he moved to Madison County, Kentucky, where he was living when he was allowed pension on his application executed August 13, 1832. He signed John Tuder. The soldier died January 10, 1838.
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It is not shown whether John Tuder ever married.

The soldier's older brother moved to Barren County, Kentucky, his name not designated. The only name designated as that of a brother of John Tuder was the name of Valentine Tuder who, in 1832, was a resident of Madison County, Kentucky, his age not stated.

In order to obtain date of last payment of pension, and name and address of person paid, you should write to the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city, and cite the following data:
John Tuder
Certificate #1757
Issued November 10, 1832
Rate $30 per annum
Commenced March 4, 1831
Act June 7, 1832
Kentucky Agency.

Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator

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TREASURY DEPARTMENT.
Second Comptroller's Office,
January 22d, 1839
Sir:
Under the act of the 6th of April, 1838 entitled "An act directing the transfer of money remaining unclaimed by certain
Pensioners, and authorizing the payment of the same at the Treasury of the United States," John Tuder, a Pensioner on the Roll of the Kentucky Agency, at the rate of Thirty-- Dollars [crossed out - and -- Cents] per annum, under the law of the 7th June, 1832, has been paid at this Department, from the 4th of Sept. 1837, to the 10th January, 1838, the day of his death

Respectfully, yours,
Albion K. Parris
Comptroller.

To the Commissioner of Pensions,
Present.
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of
John Tuder which require further proof or explanation.

I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes

II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes

III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? --

IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served: yes

V. *Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? yes

VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? yes

VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes

VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes

IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes

X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes
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XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? yes

XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? --

XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? there is one Witness

XIV. +If the applicant has produced a witness or witnesses as to his service, has the magistrate who administered the oath certified that he, she, or they are persons of credibility? yes

XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? -- yes

XVI. +Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes

XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed
by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? yes

EXPLANATORY NOTES.
*QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection
he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades: For ----year ---- months and ---- days, I served as a ----. For ---- months and ----days, I served as a ----; and for such service I claim a pension."
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which the applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.

+QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which be [he] belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the affidavits must be properly authenticated, as above directed.

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+QUERE XVI Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticated the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the end of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
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[typed form, with handwritten responses]

[left side] Rev War
14733
INVALID.
File No. 14, 733
John Tuder
Priv Rev War
Act: June 7th 1832
Index: --Vol. 1, Page 381
[Arrangement of 1870.]

[right side] Dec 8, 1900. History of service,
to Joel Tudor.
O.D.W.
1907 Oct. 22. Jason W. Tudor-history
1938: Jan. 31-Hist to to Mrs. Margaret T. Adams 
MLB
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204 Lancaster Ave.
Richmond Ky.
Jan. 21, 1938.

Veterans Administration
War Department.
Department of Interior:

Sirs:
I wish to be informed if there are any free grave stones now available for the Revolutionary War Veterans. If any are to be given away I should like have one to mark the grave of John Tuder a Revolutionary War soldier.

Most respectfully
Mrs. Margaret Adams.
204 Lancaster Ave
Richmond
Kentucky-
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204 Lancaster Ave. 
Richmond Ky. 
Jan. 20, 1938. 

Veteran's Administration. 
Pension Department, 
Department of Interior: 
Washing [Washington] D.C. 

Sirs: 

Will you please to send to address given above a complete transcript of the military record of John Tuder, Revolutionary War soldier. 
Does record show he was married at time of enlistment? Please to give any family data if any. 
Your immediate attention to this will be highly appreciated. 

Respectfully - 
(Mrs.) Margaret T. Adams
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Edenton
Madison Ky

[circular stamp] O W. & N. DIV OCT 16 1907
FILES

10 - 12 1907

Hon Commissioner Sir We are desirous to know the co & Regiment that John Tuder belonged to in the Revolutionary war. He drew
a pension. We think the Pension agency was
at Lexington Ky We think he belonged
to a North Carolina or Virginia Regt - You
will please make diligent search. Some
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of his descendants wants to join the Daughters of the American Revolution therefore it is necessary they think to know what Co & Reg he belonged to. He was at the battle of Guit fords [Guilford] court house in North Carolina. 
Jason W. Tudor [ ? Tuder] 

[circular stamp] U.S. PENSION OFFICE A OCT 15 1907
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In reply to your request of ----, received ---- for a statement of the military history of John Tudor Senr [Senior] Pens. [pensioned] as Tuder. a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his [crossed out - (or his widow's)] application for pension on file in this Bureau. 
S. File 14,733

[column headings: DATES OF ENLISTMENT OR APPOINTMENT. LENGTH OF SERVICE. RANK. OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED. CAPTAIN. COLONEL. STATE.

[check mark] 3 [mos.] [Captain] Nathaniel Snipes [Colonel] check mark [Sate] N. C.

1781 3 [mos.] [Captain] William Hicks [Colonel] Philip Yancey

“ [1781] 3 [mos.] } Disc. soon after surrender of Cornwallis} [Captain] Joseph Taylor

Battles engaged in, *Guilford C. H.

Residence of soldier at enlistment, Granville Co., N.C.

Date of application for pension, Aug. 13.

Residence at date of application, Madison Co., Ky.

Age at date of application, born in Brunswick Co., Va. Oct. 1754.

Remarks: Sol. died Jany. [January] 10, 1838. 1832 Bro. Valentine Tudor testified - No other family data.