Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 30755, Valentine Tuder, N.C.
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(3-1776)

SERVICE
N.C.

Tuder, Valentine

NUMBER
S.30755

CONTENTS
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32.805
Kentucky
Valentine Tuder
Madison Co. in the State of Kentucky
who was a private in the ---- commanded
by Captain Merrit of the Regt commanded
by Col. Farmer in N C
line for 6 months 
Revolution

Inscribed on the Roll of Louisville
at the rate of 20 Dollars 00 Cents per
annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 15th day of
Jany 1831 and sent to
Hon D. Buck
[ ? Arrears] to the 4th of House of Rep
Semi=anl. allowance ending

{Revolutionary Claim,}
{Act June 7, 1832.}
H. R. Weightman Clerk
Book E,2. Vol. 7. Page 49
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8129
Valentine Tudor
Kentucky

Rejected
See letter 9 Nov 1832
to J. Turner, also 19th
March 1834 to Hon. J. Lone
[illegible] 17 Oct 35 to Hon. J. White
Served less than six months

Jos: Turner
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BRIEF in the case of Valentine Tuder
8/2 County of Madison in the State of Kentucky
(Act 7th June, 1832.)

1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Court

2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?

3. How old is he? 68

4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed.
Period.
24th Dec In 1780
Aug. [illegible] 1781
again

Duration of Service.
Years, Months, Days.
3 [Months[
3/6 [Months]

Rank.
As a
private.

Names of General and Field Officers
under whom he served.
Capt Stephen Merrit Col. Tar
Capt. Phillip Yancey
Gens Butler & Eaton

5. In what battles was he engaged? Catawba River

6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Grenville [Granville] Cty N. Car:

7. Is his statement supported by living witness
by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? one witness & the discharge

8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect?


I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case
above mentioned.
He Served as Substitute who served }
three months and was discharged & rec'd }
a discharge in his name }
F. Waugh
Examining Clerk.
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State of Kentucky }
Madison County } Set.
On this 13th day of August, personally appeared in open court, before the worshipful, the County Court of Madison, now sitting, Valentine Tuder, a resident of Madison County, and State of Kentucky aged 68 years on the 4th of Dec. next, who being first duly sworn according to Law, doth on his oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed
June 7, 1832. That he entered the service of the
United States under the following named officers, & service as herein stated. That he rendezvoused at
Oxford Granville Court house, North Carolina on the 24th day of December, 1780, and was discharged on the 12th day of March, 1781 at High Rockford, and has a discharge signed by Colonel Thomas Farmer for a three months tour of duty. (which is herewith enclosed) The reason he was discharged before he served his full term of three months, was this -the new troops that came in a few days before his discharge were unarmed, and Col. Farner's Regiment was discharged for the purpose of arming the new troops. Stephen Merrit was his Captain,-- sharp, Major & Thomas Farmer Colonel, and he afterwards fell in with Gen. Davidson, and was then commanded by him. That he was in the battle at Catawba river under General Davidson. that the troops were divided, that deponent was stationed at the Island ford-that Gen. Davidson was at Cowan's ford, where he was killed. That he served a second tour of three months, rendezvoused at Harrisburgh, Granville county, N. Carolina in the month of August 1781-that Philip Yancey was his Captain; that Gens.
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Buttler and Eaton men present and commanded that the Wagon Master required a guard to go with him to Salisbury - That volunteers were called for to perform that duty and he volunteered under Yancey- That he was marched to Frohawks Mill, and there stationed as guard, and there remained
till Cornwallis was taken, and for a short
time afterwards before he was discharged.
That he received a discharge from Maj. 
Langham, who commanded at Frohawks Mills,
near Salisbury, but he has either lost or mislain it. He was discharged in the month of November, 1781. There were a few
continental troops stationed at Frohaws Mill
as guard. At Catawba river Col William Washington was present with his light horse. On the same day of the battle at Catawba there was an engagement at Mrs. [ ?Tarno] with the British - Deponent was not in it, but was guarding some tory prisoners about a
mile and a half off. that he knows of
no person, whose testimony he can procure,
who can testify to his service except his
brother John Tuder. That he was born in
Brunswick County, Virginia, in the 4th day
of December 1764, that his father moved to
Granville County, North Carolina when he was an infant, as his parents have informed him that he has a record of his age at his residence. That he was living in Granville County, N.C.
when called into service. that he moved to
Madison county, Kentucky in the year 1787,
where he has continued to reside ever since,
and that he now resides there
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That he was drafted into the service. that
he joined Gen. Green at Guilford court house,
N .C., before the battle was fought, some time in February - was discharged on the 12th March, [illegible] the battle was fought on the 15th if his recollection is right. Gen. Butler and Col Taylor, militia of offilers were at High Rockford Gen. Morgan of the continental line was also there and commanded
the Rifle-men. He is known in his neighborhood to [illegible] Goodloe, Wm. Worner and David White, and the Rev. John Pace.- that he hired a man to serve three months for him in the year 1782, who marched to the lower parts of North Carolina, to suppress insurrection of the tories or high-land Scotch as they were then termed. The substitute was received, and the discharge was in his name, but he has never had it. His father took it for him. He is not able to say who commanded this expedition, or to give any further particulars respecting it. On our retreat from Catawba river to Guilford Court
house, Capt. Enes cut off the right hand of
Capt. Richards, alledging [alleging] that he was a volunteer and had a right to march in front. On this same retreat the British overtook us at
the Yadkin river, but the whole of the 
American troops had crossed except one Captains company, and many of them jumped into the river and swam across. He hereby
relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any State. Sworn to, and subscribed the day and year aforesaid
Valentine his x mark Tuder
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We William Worner and John Tuder, both 
residents of Madison County, hereby certify that we are well acquainted with Valentine Tuder, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe he is 68 years of age as stated, that he is reputed
and believed to be a soldier of the revolution & that we concur in that opinion. John Tuder
knows of his own knowledge and makes oath
that he served as stated in his declaration, Sworn to, and subscribed the date aforesaid
John Tuder [illegible]
William Warner

And the said Court hereby declare their
opinion, after the investigation of the
matter, and after putting the interrogatories
prescribed by the war department, that
the above named applicant was a
revolutionary soldier and serviced as he states, And the court further certifies that it appears & them that John Tuder and William Worner, who have signed the preceding certificate, are residents of Madison county, and are credible persons, and that their statement is entitled to
credit
Wm Goodloe
[illegible] [illegible]
James Diparnatt

Kentucky Madison County Set.
in
I David Irvine Clerk of the Court for the County
aforesaid, do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Valentine Tuder for a pension
In testimony whereof I have hereunto
set my hand & seal of office the
17. day of August 1832
David Irvine C[illegible]

8129
Valentine Tuder
} Declaration
} For a pension
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March 15 1781 Rough Rockford
This may Sertify that Valentine Tuder
Hath Served his tour of three
Months in the militia Service
under the command of Collon
Thomas Farmer he is hear By
Discharged
Thos Farmer 67
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John Tuder, a resident of Madison county, 
Kentucky, aged 81 years, and a brother to Valentine Tuder, who is an applicant for a pension for ser vices rendered in the Revolutionary War, states that
his brother Valentine Tuder served two tours in
the Revolutionary War, of three months each,
provided it is right and proper to commence
the calculation from the day he was rendezvoused in December 1780, at Oxford, Granville County, North Carolina. He well 
recollects that his brother Valentine was enrolled and done Comp duty for at least two
weeks, before they took up the line of
march, which was on the 24th of December, 1780. The reason assigned for not marching when rendezvoused was, that the army was too weak to venture a march through the Tory
neighborhood in Rowan County, forks
of the Yadkin river. Given under my hand and seal this 10th Sept. 1835.
John Tuder    seal [encircled]

State of Kentucky }
Madison county } set.
I, Joseph Turner, a Justice of the Peace
in and for the county aforesaid, do certify that the above named John Tuder this day came
personally before me, and made oath that the
foregoing statement is true, and signed
the same. And I do further certify that said
John Tuder order is a credible person
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and that his statement is entitled to full credit.
Given under my hand this 10th Sept. 1835.
Joseph Turner JP

Valentine Tuder, a resident of Madison county,
Kentucky, whose application for a pension
has been rejected on the original declaration,
makes the following additional statements
by way of supplement, (having made one
forwarded one other supplement heretofore). He says it is true that he commenced the line of March in his first tour of duty on the 24th December, 1780, and was discharged for the reasons assigned in his original declaration on the 12th March 1781.
But it is also true he was enrolled and 
rendezvoused at Oxford, North Carolina at least two weeks before he commenced the line of march and done comp duty during that
time. He states and believes he was enrolled
between the 1st and 10th of December 1780. He further states that he well recollected these facts when he made his declaration, but
relyine [? relying] on his discharge for three
months for this identical same tour, he
did not believe it necessary to put them
in his declaration. But so it is he states 
positively that he did render full six months
services for his country in the Revolutionary War, including the time he done Comp
duty before he was marched on his first tour
and he verily believes it is just and proper he
should be allowed for his services from the day
he was rendezvoused and done Comp duty till
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the day he was discharged. He is advised that
Connon Parham of Granville county, North
Carolina, is now drawing a pension the Said
Parham was a soldier of the Revolutionary
War, and was rendezvoused at the same time he (Tuder) was, messed with him during the whole three months, and was discharged on the same day, March 12, 1781. His brother John Tuder, whose statement precedes this statement was also a soldier in the Revolutionary War, and is now receiving a pension under the act of the 7th June, 1832. For his own credibility, and the credibility of his brother John Tuder, he refers to the statement
of the Hon John White, member of Congress from this District, who is personally
acquainted with us both, and has been for
a number of years. Sworn and subscribed to this 10th Sept. 1835.
Valentine Tuder [cloud shaped circle]

State of Kentucky } 
Madison county } set
I, Joseph Turner, a Justice of the Peace
for said county, do certify that Valentine Tuder
this same day came personally before me and signed & swore to the above statement as true. I also certify that he is a credible person, and his statement is entitled to credit. Given
my hand this 10th Sept. 1835.
Joseph Turner JP

State of Kentucky Madison County set
I, David Irvine, Clerk of the Court of Madison county, certify that Joseph Turner is a Magistrate as above, and a member of the
Madison County Court, and that the foregoing signatures purporting to be his, is genuine. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto
affixed my seal of office and subscribe my
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name this 12th September, 1835.
David Irvine
Clerk of the Court of Madison County
Richmond, 24th Sept. 1835.
This is to certify that I am personally
acquainted with Valentine Tuder, the applicant in
this case for a pension, and also with John Tuder
the witness, and have known them well for a
number of years. They are both credible men,
and their statements are entitled to full credit.
The witness, John Tuder, stands as fair for piety,
morality and correct moral deportment
as any man I am acquainted with any where. The fullest confidence can, and ought to be placed in any statement either of them makes. That the statements they have here made are true, I have not the least doubt.
John White

W.25.WD.
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Amendatory
Declaration
made & sworn to
Decm 1st 1835-

Ken.

Jess Hyer
[illegible]


Valentine Tudor [Tuder]
Papers-
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Valentine Tuder of Madison county, State of
Kentucky, who is an applicant for a pension under the act of Congress 7th June, 1832, says by way of amendment to his original and supplementary declaration, that he is now advised, for the first time, by a letter from
J. L. Edwards to the Hon. John White, dated 1 7th Oct 1835, that his original declaration
states that he rendezvoused at Oxford on the
24th December, 1780. He states that it was an
error or in the person who penned his original
declaration, and an oversight in him. The word
"marched" should have been used instead of the word "rendezvoused." It is true he was discharged on the 12th day of March, 1781, for the reason he assigned. But it is equally true that he rendezvoused between the 1st and 10th of December 1780, and performed Comp duty from that time till the 24th of December, 1780, when he was actually marched from
Oxford. He refers to his former supplementary statement and the affidavit of his brother
John Tuder for the truth of this operation.
His father resided in the immediate
neighborhood of Oxford, and his brother John,
who is older than he is, had the best opportunity of knowing the truth of this 
statement. He says positively that he rendered
six months service in the Revolutionary
War, in behalf of the United States, commencing the calculation from the day he rendezvoused at Oxford in December 1780. Sworn and subscribed this 1st December 1835
Valentine Tuder
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State of Kentucky
Madison County ⎬ Set.
Valentine Tuder this day personally appeared before me, a Justice of the Peace in and for the county in the State aforesaid, and made oath to the foregoing Statement in due form of law, and subscribed the same in my presence. Given under my hand this 1st of December, 1835
Joseph Turner JP

State of Kentucky }
Madison County }  Set
I David Irvine clerk of the Court for the
county aforesaid I do hereby certify that Joseph Turner Esqr. whose name is subscribed to the above certificate is an acting Justice of the peace duly commissioned & qualified as such, and also and of the Justices of the Madison County Court.
and that his signature there to is genuine
Signature
In Testimony whereof I have
hereunto set my hand & seal
of office this 25th day of
January 1836
David Irvine [illegible]
Clerk of Madison County Court
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30755
INVALID.
File No. 30,755
Valentine Tuder
Pri Rev War

Act:  June 7 32
Index:- Vol. 2, Page 424
[Arrangement of 1870.]
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Supplementary
declaration of
Valentine Tuder

[illegible] Letcher
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State of Kentucky }
Madison County } Set.
On this 7th day of January, 1833, personally
appeared in open court, before the Worshipful the county Court of Madison, now sitting, Valentine Tuder, a resident of Madison county, State of Kentucky, aged 68 years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth, on his oath, make the following declaration,
supplementary to his declaration made in
this court on the 13th day of August last past, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832. He says rendezvoused at Oxford, Granville Court House on the 9th day of December, 1780, under the officers named in his former declaration, and served, where all his services are put together, counting from the time of his rendezvous, as above, not less than six months. Sworn to, and Subscribed, the day and year aforesaid. He is
known in his present neighborhood to the Rev. John Pace and Wm. Goodloe, Esq. who can testify as to his character for veracity }
and their belief of his services as a soldier }
of the revolution }     Valentine Tuder  
seal [encircled]

We, John Pace, a clergyman, residing in the
county of Madison, and William Goodloe residing in the same, hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with Valentine Tuder, who has subscribed and sworn to the above supplementary declaration - that we believe him to be 68 years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the revolution, and that we concur in that opinion. Sworn, and subscribed to, the day and year aforesaid
John Pace  seal [encircled]
Wm Goodloe  seal [encircled]
℗
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And the said court do hereby declare their opinion, in addition to the former opinion of this court upon the original declaration of said applicant, after the investigation of the matter, that the above mentioned applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states.
And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that John Pace who has signed the preceding certificate, is a clergyman, resident in the county of Madison, and that
Wm. Goodloe, who has also signed the same, is resident in the same, and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
Richd Broaddus
John Rankins
Saml Estill

Kentucky Madison County Set
I David Irvine clerk of the Court for
the County of Madison, do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings in this matter of the application
Valentine Tuder for a pension
In testimony whereof I have
hereunto set hand and
and seal of office this
day of February 1833
David Irvine CC
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Valentine Tedder [Tuder]
an applicant
under the
Law of 1832
for a Pension
Additional evidence
[illegible]
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Valentine Tedder [Tuder], an applicant
as a soldier of the Revolution,
for a pension under the
act of 1832-
In reference to
this case I make the following
[illegible]
I became acquainted with the
applicant & his Brother John
Tedder [Tuder] in 1815; they bothe [both]
then resided in the County
of Madison, Ky, where I have resided
ever since & when the applicant
has also resided & still resides. His
brother resided there till his death
a few years since. They were both
men of good character & standing
in the Community-- John
Tedder [Tuder] was a prominent
member of the Baptist church
& proverbial for bounty and
integrity - After a careful
examination of all the
papers, in this case
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I am entirely satisfied this
case is a meritorious one
& that the pension should
have been allowed. I have
therefore, to ask a [ ? reconsideration]
of it & with full confidence
of Success.
Most respectfully
Daniel Buck
H. Reps. Decr 23. 1850.



Commissioner
of Pensions-
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cert 32805
Valentine Tuder
Ky
Act 7 June, 1832
Ad 6 mo Pri $20
pr anm from 4
Mch. 1851

Cert sent to
Hon D. Buck
H of Reps-
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Feb 81
[illegible]

J L Edwards Esq
Commissioner of
Pensions
Washington City
D.C.


Jno White
M. Co. Ky

Hon. Jno White
HR
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Washington City Feb 4th 1836
D Sir-
Be so good as to transmit to me the papers of Valentine Tudor-
Yours
Most 
Respectfully
John White
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of
Valentine Tuder which require further
proof or explanation.

I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides?  yes

II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides?  yes

III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? --

IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served?  yes

V. *Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled?  yes


VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations?  yes

VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832?  yes

VIII. Has the Court given their opinion?  yes

IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate?  yes

X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal?  yes
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XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? No Clergyman but resident Citizens

XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? No

XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? Yes. & there discharge for 3 months Service & a witness

XIV. +If the applicant has produced a witness or witnesses as to his service, has the magistrate who administered the oath certified that he, she, or they are persons of credibility? yes

XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?  yes

XVI. ++Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct?  yes


XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed 
by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?  yes

EXPLANATORY NOTES.
*QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection
he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:  For-
--- year -- months and ----- days, I served as a ----. For ----months and --- days, I served as a ----; and for such service I claim a pension."
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3
It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which the applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.
+QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which be [he] belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the affidavits must be properly 
authenticated, as above directed.
+
+QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticated the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the end of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
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Richmond Ky
[illegible]

Free 

John White


Hon. Lewis Cass
Secretary of War
Washington City
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Richmond, Oct. 9, 1835.
Dr Sir - Enclosed you will find the supplemental
statement of Valentine Tuder for a pension. His original declaration is now on
file in your Department, as I understand. If [illegible] upon immediately you
will please remit it to me at this place,
if not you can enclose it to me in Washington
Respectfully
John White
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W. 25. W.D.
Ky.
17 October 1835.
Pension Office.
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Paper returned
to [ ? Hon] J. White
9 Feb 36
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Valentine Tudor
Kentucky
Rejected
See letter 11 May 1836
Hon. J. White,
Hon. D. Buck Jany 14/? 51
did not serve
six months.