Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 17,035, for William Ramsey, North Carolina
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(3--1776)
SERVICE | NUMBER
N.C. | Ramsey, William |S.17,035
carded
CONTENTS
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order to pay 15 Nov. 1836
19332
Indiana
William Ramsey of Hendricks of the State of Ind who was a pri & sgt in the co commanded by Captain Camplin of the regt commanded by Col McDowell in the N.C. line for 4 mos & 10 d private 3 " Sergeant
Inscribed on the Roll of Ind at the rate of 29 Dollars 44 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 27 day of Augt 1833 and James M Ray Indianapolis
Arrears to the 4th of March 5888
Semi-anl allowance ending 4 Sept 1472
7360
{Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832}
Recorded by Danl Boyd Cler
Book C Vol. 7 Page 127
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No 17282
William Ramsey Indiana
from 1779 private & Segt 7 mon 10 days
10. 16. 17
4 mon 10 days private 14.46
3 mon Segt 15. 
$29.66
James M. Ray Clk Marion Co Indianapolis Indianna
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BRIEF in the case of William Ramsey County of Hendrick in the state of Indianna (Act 7th June, 1832.)
1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Court
2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?
3. How old is he/ 84 years
4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed.

Period. | Duration of Service. Years, Months, Days. | Rank. | Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.

Vol. In 1779 | " 4 10 | private | Gen Butler Capt Camplin Col McDowell

Enlisted 1781 | " 3 - | Sergant | Camp Humphries

5. In what battles was he engaged? at a fort on Stons River
6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Surry County N Carolina
7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls? traditionary
8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? . Clerks Seal not affixed
I Certify that the foregoing statement and answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF THE UNTED STATES
B Clagets Examining Clerk.
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Ramsey
Pension Paper 
17282
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State of Indiana Hendricks County [illegible]
On this fifteenthh day of October 1832 personally appeared in open Court before the honorable Bethuel F. Morris, President, Thomas Lochhart, & Elijah Anderson Esquires his Associates Judges of the Hendricks Circuit Court, now sitting, William Ramsey of the said County and State, aged eighty-four years who being first duly sworn according to law, doth, on his oath, make the following declaration in order to obtain to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 -- That he entered the service of the United States during the revolutionary war, under
the following named officers and served as herein stated; He entered the said service as volunteer militiaman On the 20th day of March in 1778 or 79, under Captain Jacob Camplin, in Surry County North Carolina where he then, & had previously resided, his company of which one John
Cook was Lieut and William Runnels was Ensign, belonged to a Regiment commanded by Col. Charles McDowell, he was also under an officer by the name of Butler, who the said Ramsy thinks was his Brigadier General- The names of other field and company officers are not now recollected- Shortly after entering the service his company joined the Southern Army
then under the command of Gen Lincoln and was marched under this General (having passed through parts of North and South Carolina) on the south side of the savannah down near the City of Savannah, but General Lincoln having received information that the British General (Provost) was marching towards Charleston South Carolina, he recrossed the Savannah and marched with all possible dispatch to the relief of the last mentioned State. This march was conducted sometime in the month of May and the last of June ensuing Genl. Lincoln made an attack upon a British post established on the main land near the ferry across Stono river. Recollects that loss on both sides occasioned by this attack was very considerable. That the next morning after the battle there were 4 British deserters came into the American Camp- and that a few days after the engagement the post at Stono as well as the Island of St. John's was evacuated by the enemy, that soon after this battle the militia were generally dismissed but this applicant continued in the service until about the 30th of July, which made 4 months and 10 days in all by this applicant spent in this service during the term - recollects that he marched in company with a large body of regular soldiers and men called the new levy during all the above mentioned campaign, and that the regular soldiers and new levy were marched in front each day alternately and the militia to whom this applicant belonged were marched in the center. In the month of July this applicant was marched back to North Carolina where on the 30th of that month as above stated he was discharged. That on the 8th day of November and to the best of his recollection the year after Charleston was taken by the British this applicant enlisted a second time, into the service of the United
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States in a company commanded by
Captain Benjamin Umphries of which company on Thompson Glenn was Lieut., Atha Mix
was Ensign and this applicant was the orderly Sergeant. That he was marched from Surry
County where he enlisted to Salisbury Rowan County North Carolina at which place the
company to which he belonged together with several other companies of militia were stationed for the purpose guarding a large number of British prisoners who had been taken at the Cow Penns, Kings Mountain and Rudesly's Mill. That on their mach to Salisbury they crossed the Yadkin River at a place called Trading ford- That so soon as the party to which this applicant belonged arrived at Salisbury and took charge of the prisoners, the regular soldiers who had previously had charge of the prisoners, left the last mentioned place; That there were two or three other company stationed at salisbury besides the one to which this Applicant belonged - Capts. Hewlett and Speers had charge of two of these companys - the other officers names are not now
recollected - Was in company with no regular soldiers, nor in any battle during this tour of service. That he was discharged from the service about 8th or 9th of February following his enlistment making the time in all spent in this service by this applicant about seven months and a half. He received regular discharges at the expiration of each term of service. The first from General Butler. The 2nd from Colonel Joseph Phillips. Both of sd discharges he has lost. In answer to interrogatories to be by this Court propounded the said applicant says that he was born in Caroline County Virginia in 1748 he has no family record of his age. Since the
revolutionary war he has resided in the several places as follows -- Two years and Surry County after his discharge & years in Rollingham County North Carolina then in Surry County 2 years again; then moved to Buncombe County North Carolina resided 26 years -- 3 years in Kentucky & 11 years in Indiana he entered the service as herein before stated. He has no dockumentary evidence, and he knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service except his son Bartholomew Ramsey age 61 years whose affidavit is hereunto annexed & who has some faint remembrance of this applicant's service. Beside the said the following new he is well acquainted with Nichols & Ch. Vertreese who are willing to certify to this applicants reputation as a soldier of the revolution. He hereby relinquishes all claim to a pension or annuity except the present, & he declares that his name is not on the pension roll of any agency of any State or territory.
William his x mark Ramsey
Sworn to in open Court this 15th day of Oct 1832 I. T. Hadley C.H.C.C.}
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We Bartholomew Ramsey, Thomas Nichols and Charles Ventrees Residing in the County of Hendricks and in the some neighborurhood with William Ramsey who subscribed and swore to the above Declaration & hereby certify that we are well acquainted with him: That we believe him to be Eight four years of age that he is reputed and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion.
Charles Ventrees Bartholomew his x mark Ramsey Thom Nichols
Sworn and subscribed to the 15th day of October AD 1832 in open Court before me S. T. Hadley Clerk

And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter & after putting the interrogations prescribed by the war department that the above applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states, and the Court further certify that it appears to them that there is no Clergyman living in the neighbourhood of the said applicant but the court certify that Bartholomew Ramsey, Thomas Nichols & Charles Vertree who have signed the preceding Certificate are Resident Citizens of Hendricks County and the said Charles and Bartholomew of the same immediate neighbourhood of the applicant that they are all Credible Persons and that their statement is entitled to Credit

State of Indiana Hendricks County } set
I Simon T. Hadley Clerk of the Hendricks Circuit Court do hereby Certify that the foregoing contains the original Proceedings of said Court in the matter of the application of William Ramsey for a Pension. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the seal of said Court (as adopted and used by said Court) at the Clerks office in Danville this 20 day of October A.D. 1832
S. T. Hadley Clerk
Seal of the Circuit Court of Hendricks County Indiana
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Rev. and 812
War Section.
October 11, 1924.
Cornelius f. Posson,
817 Traction Terminal Bldg.,
Indianapolis, Ind.

Sir;
I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, s. 17035, it appears that William Ramsey was born in 1748 in Caroline County, Virginia.
While reading in Surry County, North Carolina, he enlisted March 20, 1779 and served four months and ten days in Captsin [captain] Jacob Camplin's Company, Colonel Charles McDowell's North Carolina Regiment.
he enlisted November 8, 1781 and served as an Orderly Sergeant in Captain Benjamin Umphries' North Carolina Company until February 8 or 9, 1782. 
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 15 1832, while a resident of Hendricks County, Indiana.
Soldier referred to his son Bartholomew, in 1832 aged sixty one years. There is no further family data on file.
Respectfully,
Commissioner.
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17.035 INVALID.
File No. 17,035 William Ramsey Sergt Rev War
Act: June 7" 32
Index: - Vol. 1, Page 310
[Arrangement of 1870.]
1908 apr 23 Hist to John T. Barnett J L W
1924 Oct 11 Hist to Cornelius F. Posson AWF
1934 Nov. 10 hist. to Miss Eva Gilbert and Hou. C.W. Turner inf of same W.C.S.
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3 - 595.
Record Division. O.W. AND N. DIVISION.
Department of the Interior,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS,
April 20, 1908.
Searched by S. D. Lamparter
Original No.
Certificate No.
Claimant,
Soldier WM Ramsey
Service, N.C.
Rev. War
Remarks. No claim as above
except Invd #17035
Chief of Division.
27408b4m2-07
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of William Ramsey which require further proof or explanation.

I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? Yes
II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? Yes
III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? ~
IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? Yes
V. * Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? Yes
VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? Yes
VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? Yes
VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes
IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes
X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? No
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XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? 2 citizens
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? Yes 
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? Yes
XIV. [cross symbol precedes the sentence] If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service?
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? ~
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? ~
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation , or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?
SVI. [cross symbol precedes the sentence] Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? No
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? 6-7-
EXPLANATORY NOTES.
*QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: 
Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear postiviely as to the preicse length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For ----- year ----- months and ------ days, I served as a ------- For -------- months and --------- days, I served as a -------; and for such service I claim a pension.
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the
pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the
applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of
the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the
regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths
must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate
must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate
must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass
under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperty
attached to the certificate.
In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of
office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the
certifying officer, should accor
pany the papers.