Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 11,187, for William Payne, South Carolina
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SC.  Payne, William.   S11187

Carded
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Alabama 29.852

William Payne
Of Marengo Co, in the State of Alabama who was a Private in the company command by Captain Chesnut of the Regt. Commanded by Col. Kersham in the S. Carolina mil. line for 

Inscribed on the Roll of Alabama at the rate of 20 Dollars —— Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day o March, 1831.


Certificate if Pension issued the 13th day of March 1835 and sent to J. L. Lyon
Demopolis. Ala.

Arrears to the 4th off March ‘35.
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27,863
Wm. Payne
Alabama
from 1780 [illegible]
$20

J S Lyon
[illegible]
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War Department
Pension Office
23 Jany 1833
Sir,
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined and the papers are herewith returned.  The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form.  On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed before a pension can be allowed.  The notes and the regulations will show what is necessary to be done.  Thes points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus:}.  You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by compiling with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
Statement showing the Service of William Payne
Names and rank of officers    Age at present        Proof
Col. Chestnut                             71 years            Traditionary
Col. Kershaw                              So. Ca.              Traditionary
Cap. Starke

I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,
James L. Edwards
Commissioner of Pensions

Sums up his service at more than two years
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REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contract, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c, Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of private armed vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
1. The Regular Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3. Person employed in the Naval Service.
4. Indian Spies.
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, mucicians or privates, will, in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County were such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION,
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of ___}
County of ___} ss.
On this ___ day of ___ personally appeared (a) before ___ A. B. a resident (b) of ___ in the county of ___ and state, Territory or District of ___ aged (c) ___ years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d) ___, with ___ and served in the ___ (e) regiment of the ___ line, under the following named officers:
[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched. [Right pointing hand symbol] This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]
He hereby relinquished every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of ___
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid ___ A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I ___ of the Court of ___ do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of ___ for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this ___ day of ___ &c.
If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman, residing in the ___ and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with ___, who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be ___ years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the days and year aforesaid.
[And them will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies that it appears to them that A. B. who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the ___ and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the ___ and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, ___ Clerk of the Court of ___ do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of ___ for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this ___ day of ___ &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
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alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Milita of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
1. Where and in what year were you born?
2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? and if a substitute, for whom?
5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
6. {To a Soldier: {Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it?
{To an Officer. {Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons - one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion. If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify to the character and standing of other persons giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the inquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court, by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the Peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
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(a) The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
(b) The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
(c) The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
(d) The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
(e) Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; -- For ___ year ___ months, and ___ days, I served as a ___. For ___ months and ___ days, I served as a ___; and for such service I claim a pension."
{It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months, is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.}
(f) The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
(g) The opinion of the Court is always required.
(h) The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
{(i) The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying office, should accompany the papers.}
Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
{ (j) In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.}
[Right pointing hand symbol] The notes from (a) to (i) are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof require by rule in note (j) applies to continental troops only.
(k) This traditionary evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
(l) If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
(m) The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department with the declaration.

[There is a bracket ( { } ) on the left and right side of the last paragraph in the [e] section.
There is a bracket on the left and right side of the [i] section.]
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The State of Alabama
Circuit Court, Marengo County
October Term 1833

On the 8th day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty three personally appeared in open court before the Honorable Lion L Perry, Judge of the circuit court of the said county of Marengo, now in session, William Payne, a resident of the said county of Marengo in the state of Alabama, aged seventy one years, who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832. That shortly before the city of Charleston in South Carolina was taken by the British, during the revolutionary war, he was drafted in the militia of South Carolina in a company commanded by John Chestnut as Captain, in which company William Boykin was a lieutenant, Joseph Kershaw was Colonel of the regiment to which he belonged.  This affiant or applicant does not remember distinctly the name of the major of his regiment but he believes it was D. Charleston. He believes he was under the command of Genl Richardson.  He lived about six miles from Camden in South Carolina when he was drafted but does not remember distinctly the year to which he was first drafted tho he knows it was shortly before the taking of Charleston by the British.  This applicant and the company to which he belonged was first employed in guarding the arsenal at Camden to prevent the arms from falling into the hands of the Tories and we guarding Tories who at the time were confinement.  He believes he was engaged in the service from two to three months.  After the expiration of the service
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.after the fall of Charleston this applicant with Captain Chestnuts Company to which he belonged was marched to Orangeburg in South Carolina whither they were sent for the purpose of holding in check the Tories, which after the fall of Charleston were numerous and troublesome to the Whigs and their property. He remained at Orangeburg about one month on this service.  The British having in the meantime taken Camden.  I marched towards the North, this applicant was discharged or dismissed, for he received no written discharge, and returned home to the neighborhood of Camden.  Not more than two or three months after the return of this applicant from Orangeburg he was again drafted in a company commanded by Captain Douglas Starke and marched with his company to [illegible] ferry on Santee upon an expedition against the Tories who were said to infest that neighborhood and [illegible] Charles Maginnis or [illegible] was a lieutenant in Capt Starke's company.  He was month or more engaged upon this expedition under Capt Starke, and was there dismissed and returned home, not long after this he took the place of his brother Saml  Payne who had been drafted and was again ordered to the neighborhood of [illegible] Ferry on Santee against the Tories but from some cause was discharged before the term for which his brother was drafted had expired.  He was in no battle, but was engaged in scouting parties and guarding the arsenal at Camden as
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before stated and in expedition against the Tories and in guarding Tories for a considerable length of time in all.  The effects of old age has impaired his memory to such a degree as to render it improbable for him to be certain as to the length of time he served in all, but he is confident he was more than two and he believes, more than three years in the public service as before stated.  He cannot remember the time or date at which he left the service and ceased to perform duty as a soldier but can well as he remember he was occasionally drafted and employed as he has before stated [illegible] shortly before the fall of Charleston till peace was made between England and the United Colonies or States.
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or an annuity except the [illegible] and he declares that his name is not on the pension roll of any other state.
This applicant further states that he never received a written discharge and he knows of no person or persons now living by whom he can establish his services.
Interrogatories propounded by the [illegible] court to the applicant and his answers thereto:
1. Where and in what year were you born:
Ans: I was born in Harshaw district in South Carolina in 1763.
2. Have you can record of your age?
Ans: I have none at this home.  My age was recorded in my father's Bible but the Bible has been destroyed many years ago.
3. Where were you living when called into service, where have you lived since the Revolutionary War and where do you now live?
Ans: I was living when called into service near Camden, South Carolina and I removed after the war about twenty five
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miles from Camden on the Watersee River, where I [illegible] 1819 when I removed with myu family to Marengo County Alabama, near Demopolis where I have resided ever since.
4.  How were you called into service?
Ans:  I was drafted and served as stated in my declaration.
5.  State the names of some of the regular officers who were with the troops where you served, which continental {illegible} regiment as you can recollect and the general circumstances of your service.
Ans:  I have stated the circumstances of my service according to the best of my recollection.  The companies in which I served were never to my recollection associated with any of the regular troops and being young at the time, I formed no acquaintances with any of the regular officers.  I knew a Col. Thompson who commanded what were called [illegible].  I knew Col. Kershaw, Joseph, Major Mee, Capt Starke, Capt Chesnutt and others I have before named.
6, Did you ever receive a discharge from the service.
Ans:  I never did to my recollection receive a written discharge.
7. State the names of the persons to whom you are know from your present neighborhood who can certify as to your character for veracity and their belief of your service as a soldier of the revolution.
Ans:  I am known to Geo. S Gaines, Esq now of Mobile, to Allen Gloon, Thomas Ringgold, Augustus Foscue, John Rains Esq and most of the people living in Marengo County.
William Payne
Sworn and subscribed in open court this day and your aforesaid [illegible]
Thomas Ringgold, Clerk

We Solomon Perkins, a clergyman residing in the County of Wilcox and state aforesaid and
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October 19, 1937

William Payne, S.11187
BA-J/MCS

Mrs. Jack Castleberry
Box 964
Longview, Texas

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to or request for information relative to John Robinson and William Payne who served in the Revolutionary War, Alexander Northcutt who served in the War of 1812 and Robert B. Payne and Uriah T. Payne who served in the Confederate Army during the Civil War.
Revolutionary and War of 1812 data furnished by this office are obtained from claims made to the United States for pension based upon the military service of soldiers in these wars.  A careful search of the records fails to show such claims on file on account of the Revolutionary War service of the John Robinson described or on account of the War of 1812 service of any Alexander Northcott.
For information relative to soldiers who served in the Confederate Army during the Civil War, it is suggested that you address The Adjutant General, War Department, in this city.
The data which follow were obtained from papers on file in the pension claim, S.11187, based upon the Revolutionary War service of William Payne.
William Payne was born in 1763 in Kershaw District, South Carolina.  The names of his parents were not given.
While residing about six miles from Camden, South Carolina, he enlisted shortly before the city of Charlston was taken by the British and served three months are private in Captain John Chestnut's company in Colonel Joseph Kershaw's South Carolina regiment and was engaged in guarding the arsenal at Camden.  About two or three months later he enlisted and served one month or more as private in Captain Douglas Starke's Southh
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Carolina company.  Soon afterward he enlisted and served about two months a substitute for his brother, Samuel, names of officers not given.  During the entire Revolution he was frequently called out on scouting parties and expeditions against the Tories and his entire service amounted to between two and three years.
After the war he moved about twenty five miles from Camden on the Fateree River, where he resided until 1819 when he moved with his family (names not given) to Marengo County, Alabama, hear Demopolis.
He was allowed pension on his application executed October 8, 1833, at which time he was living in Marengo County, Alabama.
There are no further family data.

Very truly yours,
A.D HILLER
Executive Assistant to the Administrator
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I, Charles H. Drummond, Justice of the Peace in aforesaid, do hereby certify that I have known William Payne, whose name appears to the foregoing affidavit for several years, and that in the neighborhood where he is know he [illegible] the character of an honest upright man.
Given under my hand this 16th September in 1834.
C H Drummond, JP

The State of Alabama
Marengo County
I, Asa Robinson, clerk of the County Court of the County and state aforesaid do hereby certify that Charles H. Drummond was at the time of assigning his name above, and now is an acting Justice of the Peace in the county and state aforesaid, and that the signature purporting to be his is genuine. 
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and official seal this ninth day of October AD one thousand eight hundred and thirty four, and of the American Independence the fifty ninth year.
Asa Robinson, Clerk
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[illegible] in Marengo County
I, Thomas Ringgold, aforesaid hereby certify that we are well acquainted with William Payne who has subscribed and sworn to the foregoing declaration, that we believe him to be about seventy one years of age; that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he lives to have been a soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that opinion. 
Solomon Perkins, [illegible]
David Curry
Thoms Ringgold

Sworn to and subscribed on the day and year aforesaid, in open court.
Attest: Thomas Ringgold,  Clerk

And the said court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states.  And the court further certifies that it appears to them that Solomon Perkins, who has signed the above certificate is a clergyman [illegible] in the county of Wilcox and that said Amy and Thomas Ringgold, who have also signed the same are [illegible] in the county of Marengo, and are credible persons and that their statements are entitled to credit. 
I, Thomas Ringgold, Clerk of the circuit court of the county of Marengo of the state of Alabama do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings in the matter of the application of William Payne for a pension.  In testimony therefore, I have hereunto set my hand and private seal (there being no seal of office for the said county), this
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this eighth day of October AD eighteen hundred and thirty three.
Attest: Thomas Ringgold, Clerk
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State of Alabama
John Gayle, Governor of Said State
To all to  whom these presents shall come

Know yes, that Thomas Ringold whose signature appears to the foregoing and annexed certificate was at the time of signing the same clerk of the circuit court of Marengo County, state of Alabama, duly commissioned and qualified.
Therefore, all due faith, credit and authority are. and ought to be had and given to all acts.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the State to be affixed.  Done at the Capitol in Tuscaloosa, this 3rd day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty four and of the Independence of the United States of American the fifty eighth
By the Governor, Jas J Thorton
John Gayle
Secretary of State
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The State of Alabama
Marengo County
Before me, Charles H. Drummond, a Justice of the Peace in and for the county of Marengo and state aforesaid, personally came and appeared William Payne who resides in said county and known to me as the identical person who has heretofore made a declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress passed the 7th of June 1832, and who being first duly sworn according to law deposeth and saith that by reason of old age and the consequent loss of memory he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service as a soldier during the revolutionary war, and for which he has claimed a pension under the Act of Congress aforesaid;  but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below and in the following grades.  This applicant in the first tour of service mentioned and described by him in his [illegible] declaration which accompanies this, and in which tour of service he was a private with Captain Chestnut's company of militia, served in said company upon the duty described by him two months, He recollects he was drafted for two months, served out the time.  In the second tour of service described by him as a private with Capt. Chestnut's company and wherein the company was marched to Orangeburg, this applicant served one month.  In the expedition to LeNews Ferry in which the affiant was a private in Captain Douglas Starke's company, he served one month. as a substitute for his brother, Samuel Payne, he served as
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a private two months.  This affiant recollected that he was engaged two months, in guarding the arsenal at Camden as a private soldier under Captain Douglas Starke, and this applicant was stationed at least two months at Orangeburg to guard the Tories in the same company.  This affiant recollects that he was at one time marched as Jacks Creek on the way to Charleston as a private soldier belonging to a company commanded by the same Captain Douglas Starke at which place the news of peace with England was communicated to the troops and the troops returned and were discharged for which service the applicant claims a pension.  He has now stated the length of each service as near as his memory will permit.  He can only repeat that his recollection is greatly impaired by old age and that he has always believed and now   believes that the whole of his service, taken together would amount to three years or upwards, but he cannot now specify more particularly than he has done, the length of each service.  From old age and the state of his health he cannot conveniently attend court (held about 18 miles from his residence) to make the amended declaration.  He has therefore made the same before a Justice of the peace.
William Payne
The same before a Justice of the Peace, sworn and subscribed before me this 16 September 1834.
C H Drummond, JP
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27,863
Wm Payne
Alabama

J S Lyon
[illegible]{
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 War Department
Pension Office
16th April 1834

Sir,
The claim of William Payne has been again examined and the papers are herewith enclosed.  One of the objections for which the 
papers were returned is not obviated, viz.  The specifications of his tours [illegible] as pointed out in noted.  This must be strictly complied with.
I have the  honor
to be very resp
your obt servt
J L Edward
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Wm Payne

return this letter to [illegible] verify
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The Hon J S Lyon

Dear Sir,

I have done everything in my power to have this application papers, both by writing and personal attendance at the office.  There are no records of militia service, and the applicants must be more particular on that account, as any deficiency cannot be a precise specification of the period is necessary to fix the amount of this pension and the different tours, and as much as can be remembered about them is wanted as evidence.  This declaration is thought to be too general.
v. r.,
John Murphy


Wm. Payne

return this letter to Mr. Murphy
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Demopolis, Ala
Oct 25,
Nov 7
Ala
Wm Payne


J L Edwards Esq
Comm of Pensions
Washington City
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Demopols, Alabama
18 Oct 1834

Sir, The papers relating to the service of William Payne [illegible] a pension, accompanied by an amended declaration, are herewith enclosed for our examination.

Very Respectfully,
yr obt svt
J S Lyon
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Rev War
11,187
INVALID
File No 11,187
William Payne
Priv Rev War
Act: June 7 32
Index: Vol A, Page 288

1930, Feb 25 - Hist to Mrs. James R Wootere
Her letter in claim of Matthew Payne O.W. 
[illegible] file no. 25326,  MEE
1957, Oct 19 - Hist to Mrs. Jack Castleberry MCS
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Box 964
Longview, Texas,
September 25, 1937

Round stamp mark:
RECEIVED
OCT 2 1937
MAIL SUB DIV.
[illegible] 7
[illegible]

Veterans' Bureau,
Washington, D. C.
Pension Department.

Gentlemen:

Please give me any data that your files may contain concerning the application for pension of one Lydia Brinn Robinson, widow of John Robinson who served in the Revoutionary War from N. C. He died in 1815 in Jasper County, Ga. His will of record there.

I would also like a copy of the information gleaned from the pension papers Rev. War. of one William Payne, who was a Private, and drew a pension in Morengo County, Alabama as late, I believe as 1837.

Robert B. Payne and Uriah T. Payne, brothers served in the Confederate Army from Ga. I don't know what county they enlisted from, but in 1847 they were living in Talbot County, where they married a Sarah Huff and Martha Huff respectively. I would like to have any information you may have if they applied for pension. On second thought suppose I would have to get this from the state since they were of the Confederacy. Please advise.
I am

Very truly,
Mrs. Jack Castleberry

P. S. Is there any record of Alexander Northcutt or his wife Lucy Northcutt having applied for pension on the service of Alexander Northcutt in War of 1812. He enlisted in Wilson County, Tann. Moved from Tenn to Jasper County, Ga.
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Rev and 1812
Wars Section
MEE/HMM
February 25, 1930

Mrs. James R Wooten
Monroe, Box 1300
Louisiana

Dear Madam:

I advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 11187, it appears that William Payne was born in 1763 in Kershaw District, South Carolina.
While residing about six miles from Camden, South Carolina, he enlisted shortly before the city of Charleston was taken by the British and served three months as a private in Captain John Chestnut's Company, guarding the   arsenal at Camden. About two or three months later he enlisted and served one month or more as a private in Captain Douglas Starke's South Carolina Company; not long afterwards he enlisted and served about two months as a substitute for his brother Samuel.
During the entire Revolution he was frequently called out on scouting parties and expeditions against the Tories,  and stated that his entire service amounted to between two and three years.
After the war he moved about twenty five miles from Camden on the Wateree River, where he resided until 1819 when he moved with his family (no names shown) to Marengo County, Alabama, near Demopolis, where he still resided when he was allowed pension on his application executed October 8, 1833.
There are no further family data.
Very truly yours,
Earl D Church
Commissioner