Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 8182, John Carothers, N.C. Va. (Or Penn)
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(3 - 1776)
SERVICE       NUMBER
N. C.       Carothers, John      S. 8182
Va. (or Penn)

carded

CONTENTS
[blank]
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23.889

North Carolina 
John Carothers of Meckl.g. [Mecklenburg] in the State of N. Car who was a pr in the [blank] commanded by Captain --- of the Regt. commanded by Col. Gibson in the N. Car line for 21 months 

25889
Va. and N.C.
Jany 2, 1905
Records completed

Inscribed on the Roll of N. Carolina at the rate of 70 Dollars Cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.

1833
Certificate of Pension issued the 20th day of Apr 34 and sent Applicant White Hall P. O. N. C.

Arrears to the 4th of Mar 34             210.00
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4 Sep "     35. ┃
[total]                                                $245.-

{Revolutionary Claim,
Act June 7, 1832.}

Recorded by Nath Rice Clerk,
Book C Vol. 6 1/2 Page 49

Letter 27. April 1837 Pen. Agent

Dead

Paid at the Treasury under the act of the 6 April 1838 from 4 March 1837 to 28 Feb 1838 the day of his death. Agt notified 22 Oct 1838.

Died
Feb 28, 1838
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John Carothers
12.250
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State of North Carolina
Mecklenburg County         Augt Term.

On the 31st day of August 1832 Personaly [sic] appeared in open court before the Judges of the Court of Common Pleas, and quarterperson, now sitting: John Carothers, a resident of said County aged about 78 years as he believes, who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1852.
That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers, and served as herein stated.  In the Spring of 1775. Then living in the State of Pennsylvania he descended the Ohio River about 50 miles below Fort Pitt. Where he was called into service against the Indians and was the greater part of his time from that period untill [sic] the Spring of 1777. Employed in sd. service under the command of Capt. - White who. was under the command of Col. Gibson.
 In the Spring 1777. he volunteered under the command of Capt. Hougland, who was under the command of Col. Gibson and Genl. Hand. and served a tour of nine months. In the autumn of 1778. he removed to North Carolina in the County of Mecklenburg and has been a citizen of the same ever since.
In the 1780 he volunteered under the command of Capt. Bromfield and served a tour against the Tories in the Western part of the State principaly [sic] in what is known as Lincoln County. but do not recolect [sic] how long we were out on this expidittion [sic].
 In the same year (1780) he served a tiour as a voulenteer [sic] against the British and Tories, mostly in this county and in the ajacent [sic] parts of So. Carolina. this tour was while the British were lying in Cambden [sic] and about the time or imediately [sic] previous to the Battle of Rocky Mount. Hanging Rock, and Gateses [sic] defeat. does not at this time recolect [sic] how long this tour continued nor does he at this time recolect [sic] distinctly who was the Captain he served under but thinks it ^was Captain D. Reed. recolects [sic] destinctley [sic] the were under the command of Col. Robert Irwin and Get. Sumpter as their Superior officers. he further states that he has no documentary Evidence in his possesion [sic] of the above Services.
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the same year (1780) voulenteered [sic] for a three months tour in a Troop of Cavalry raised and commanded by Capt James Hartt of Horson County, who was under the the command of Col Davis and Genl Davidson and while out on this tour nearly all the property he then possesed [sic] was taken and destroyed or carried off by the enemy he further declares that he has recd any compensation for his services during the war nor since he has no documentary evidence of this Service, but refers to the James Carothers for establishing his services.
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state.
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid
John Carothers

We John McDowel & James Knox residing in the County of Mecklenburg & State of North Carolina, do hereby certify that we
are well acquainted with John Carothers, who has subscribed and
Sworn to the above declaration, that
we believe him to be about 78 years
of age that he is reputed & believed
in the neighbourhood [sic] where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that belief
Sworn to & subscribed the day & year aforesd.
James Knox
John McDowell

and the said Court do hereby declare
their opinion after the investigation
of the matter, and after putting the ┃
interrogatories prescribed to the war department, that the above applicant was a Revolutionary soldier and served as he states and the court further certified
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that James Knox & John McDowell who
have signed the preceding Certificate are residents of the county of Mecklenburg & State of North Carolina, are credible persons
and that their statement is entitled to credit
I Isaac Alexander Clerk of the court aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing contains
the original proceedings of the said court in the
matter of the application of John Carothers for a pension
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of office
This the day & year above written
Isaac Alexander Clerk
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that James Knox & John McDowell who
have signed the preceding Certificate are residents of the county of Mecklenburg & State of North Carolina, are credible persons
and that their statement is entitled to credit
I Isaac Alexander Clerk of the court aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing contains
the original proceedings of the said court in the
matter of the application of John Carothers for a pension
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed my seal of office
This the day & year above written
Isaac Alexander Clerk
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Treasury Department,
Second Comptroller's Office
October 6th 1838

Sir:

Under the act of the 6th of April, 1838, entitled "An act directing the transfer of money remaining unclaimed by certain Pensioners, and authorizing the payment of the same at the Treasury of the United States, The children of John Carrothers [sic] deceased a Pensioner on the Roll of the N. Carolina Agency, at the rate of seventy Dollars and "---" Cents per annum, under the law of the 7th June 1832 has
been paid at this Department, from the 4th of March 1837 to the 28th of February 1838 the day of the death "
Respectfully, yours,
Albion K. Parris
Comptroller.
To the Commissioner of Pensions
Present.
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November 17, 1937
XXXXXXXXXXXXX
BA-J/EEL
John Carothers-S.8182

Mrs. Louise Hoskins
Wyaconda
Missouri

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of John Carothers, who served from Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.
The record has been found of a John Carothers who was living in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, when he entered the service in the Revolutionary War. His history is furnished herein as found in the papers on file in Revolutionary War pension claim, S. 8182,  based upon his service in that war.
John Carothers was born in May 1755, in the state of Pennsylvania, county not given, nor are the names of his parents shown.
While a resident of Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, John Carothers volunteered in the spring of 1776, served nine months as a private under Captain White and Colonel Gibson and in the spring of 1777, again volunteered and served nine months under
Captain Hougland and Colonel Gibson. On both of these tours he served on the frontier of Pennsylvania, protecting the inhabitants from the attacks of the Indians and during the first
tour descended the Ohio River to a point about fifty miles below Fort Pitt. In the autumn of 1778, John Carothers moved to Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, volunteered there in 1780 and served three months in Captain James Hart's troop of cavalry under Colonel Davie, North Carolina troops; in the same year, he served two other tours in the North Carolina troops, one tour under Captain Brownfield, the other under
Captain D. Reed and Colonel Robert Irwin; length of these last two tours not given. All the service in North Carolina was against the Tories and while he was away on one tour, he had all of his property taken by the enemy.
He was allowed pension on his application executed August
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31, 1832, while living in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina.
John Carothers died February 28, 1838, place not shown. He was survived by children, their names and the name of soldier's wife are not stated.
In 1834, one James Carothers lived in York District, South Carolina, and stated that he served with John Carothers on the tour under Captain Hart and Colonel Davie, but gave no
relationship to said John Carothers.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension and the name and address of person paid in the case of the Revolutionary War pensioner, John Carothers (S. 8182), you should
address The Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city, and cite the following data:

John Carothers
Certificate No. 23889
Issued April 20, 1833
Rate $70.00 per annum
Commenced March 4, 1831
Act of June 7, 1832
North Carolina Agency.

Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator.
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8182

Rev War

INVALID.
File No. 8182

John Carothers
Pri Rev War

Act: June 7th 1832
Index: -- Vol. 1st,  Page 58

[Arrangement of 1870.]
1926 Aug 27 Hist to S. M. Carothers    AW
1928 Oct 3 Hist to Mrs W. H. Carothers MEE
1937 Nov 17 Hist to Mrs Louise Hoskins EL
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State of N Carolina
Mecklenburg County May 28th 1833
On the day above written, personally appeared in open court before the judges of the Court of Common pleas & quarter Sessions now sitting John Caruthers a resident of Mecklenburg Cty, aged seventy nine; who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 viz:
That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers & served as herein stated Your declarant states that he was born in the State Pennsylvania in the month of May 1755 and that when called into service he was living in the State aforesd & County of Cumberland, that he volunteered his services under the command of Captn White who was under the command of Col Gibson: Malitia [sic] officers: that he was a private soldier. That in the Spring of 1776 then being in the State of Pennsylvania having descended the Ohio river about 50 miles below Fort Pitt When he was called into service against the Indians under the above named officers
in defence [sic] of the frontier and served nine months under those officers; that during that time he was marched from place to place guarding & protecting the inhabitants near the Ohio river. that he recd no discharge from any of his officers Your declarant states that the second tour in which he served he entered as a private volunteer under the command of Capt Houglan [sic] and Col Gibson & Genrl Hand his Superior officers that the services rendered in in this second tour, were rendered at the same places as those of the first viz, on the frontiers of Pensylvania [sic] on the Ohio river guarding the country along that river against the Indians & when not marching as in temporary
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forts constructed for the protection of the inhabitants, that he recd no regular discharge & served with no regular troops, that he entered (in this second tour) in the spring of 1777 & served nine months & left service some time during the winter; the precise time he cannot state. Your declarant states that in these two tours he served 18 months
In the Autumn of 1778 your declarant states that he removed to Mecklenburg County N. Carolina where he has continued to reside since the revolutionary war. Your declarant states that in the year 1780 he volunteered as a private in the cavalry under the command of Capt James Hart Col Davie & Genl Davidson Malitia [sic] Officers, he was engaged in [illegible] the country & watching the British while lying in the town of Charlotte Served with no regular Troops, the declarant is unable to state the precise period either when he entered or left the service of the U. S. in this last tour, but states that the term of his service was 3 months during which time the enemy seized & destroyed nearly all of declarants property: he marched from place to place throughout the County of Mecklenburg & the upper part of So. Ca. Recd no discharge: was engaged in no important battle
The declarant states that the only witness by
whom he can prove his services is a resident of South Carolina & in consequence of bodily infirmity is unable to attend & testify in Court to services rendered & set forth in the above declaration
The whole length of service set forth by your declarant is Twenty-one months, for which service he claims a pension under the Act aforesaid. Has no record of his age. Acted as a volunteer in all of his campaigns. Never Received a Discharge from
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any of his any of his officers, save from Capt.
Gray and that he has lost.
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to pension, except the present, & declares that his name is not on the pension Roll of the agency of any State.
Sworn to & subscribed the day & year aforesaid
John Carothers

We John Williamson a Clergiman [sic] living in Mecklenburg County & State of N. Ca.  & Robert A Sample resident in same do hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Carothers who has sworn to & subscribed the above declaration; that we believe him to be 79 years of age that he is reputed & believed in the neighbourhood [sic] in which he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution & that we concur in that belief:
Sworn to & subscribed the day & year above written
John Williamson
R A Sample

And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter, & after putting the interrogatories by the War Department prescribed, that the above named applicant was a
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Revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that John Williamson, who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman residing in the County of Mecklenberg & State of North Carolina & that R A Sample, who has also signed the same is a Resident in the County & state aforesaid, & is a credible person, & that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, Isaac Alexander, Clerk of the Court of Pleas &
Quarter Sessions for the County of Mecklenburg & State of North Carolina, do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of of said Court in the matter of the application of John Carothers for a pension.
In Testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my
hand & seal of Office, this 28th May AD 1833
Isaac Alexander Clerk of
Mecklenburg County Court

State of South Carolina
York District
Personally appeared before me the subscribing Justice of the peace in & for the aforesaid District James Carrothers [sic] of the District & State aforesaid, and after being sworn in due form of Law, makes the following declaration, viz, that he was in a three months tour with the above Declarant in the year 1780, and in the State of North Carolina Mecklenburg County
under the command of Capt James Hart [illegible]
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appeared before me the subscribing Justice
of the peace in & for the aforesaid District
James Carrothers [sic] of the District & State aforesaid, and after being Sworn in due form
of Law, makes the following declaration, viz,
that he was in a three months tour with the above Declarant in the year 1780, and in the State of North Carolina Mecklenburgh [sic] County under the command of Capt James Hart, Col. Davie, & Genl Davidson, Malitia [sic] officers
James Carrothers [sic]
Sworn & Subscribed to this 25th day of March
1834 before me
Wm Thorn J. P.

I Wm Thorn a justice of the peace in the District of York & State of South Carolina
do hereby certify that James Carrothers [sic]
who sworn & subscribed to the above affidavit
is reputed & believed in the Neighbourhood [sic] where he resides, and is from my own
personal knowledge of him do concur in the belief, in Testimony whereof of have hereunto set my hand and seal this 25th day of March 1834
William Thorn J.P.

State of South Carolina
York District
I Andrew McWhorter Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas for the District aforesaid do certify that William Thorn whose Certificate appears above is and was at the time of Signing the same an acting Justice of the peace in the District aforesaid and full faith and Credit is due & ought to be given to his official acts as such Given under my hand and Seal of Office at York Court House
March the 25th 1834
A McWhorter C C C P
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12.250 -
John Carothers [Carrothers]
No. Ca.
Admit as a private
21 Mo $70

Applicant
White Hall P O
N C
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WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
Sir:
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. the notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: }). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by compling [sic] with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your claim.
A Statement, showing the Service of [blank]
Period when the service was rendered. [blank]
Duration of the claimant's service. [blank]
Rank of the claimant. [blank]
Names and rank of the Field officers under whom he served. [blank]
Age at present, and place of abode when he entered the service. [blank]
Proof by which the declaration is supported. [blank]

I am, respectfully,
Your obedient servant,

JAMES L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.
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REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 1832,
The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army, and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, &c. Teamsters, Boatmen, &c. Persons who served on board of private armed vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged
in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
1. The Regular Troops.
2. The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3. Persons employed in the Naval Service.
4. Indian Spies.
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians or privates, will, in the first instance, make application by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides. And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION.
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June, 1832.
State, Territory, or District of
County of
On this [blank] day of [blank] personally appeared (a) before A. B. a resident (b) of
 [blank] in the county of  [blank] and State, Territory or District of [blank] aged (c)[blank] years, who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832. That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d)[blank], with [blank] and served in the [blank] 
(e) regiment of the [blank] line, under the following named officers:
Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged,
sons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.] and the country through which he marched. This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and per-
He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he the Agency in the State of
declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of [blank]
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.    A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court]

And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I [blank] of the Court of [blank] do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of [blank] for a pension.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this [blank] day of
[blank] & c.
If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A.B., a Clergyman, residing in the [blank] and C.D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with [blank] who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be
[blank] years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the days and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary
Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certifies, that it appears to them that A. B. who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the [blank] and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the [blank] and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I, [blank] Clerk of the Court of [blank] do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of [blank] for a pension.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal [blank] of office, this [blank] day of [blank] & c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power. This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
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alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of the services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case. The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corroborating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected. All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
1. Where and in what year were you born?
2. Have you any record of your age, and if so, where is it?
3. Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
4. How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute? And if a substitute, for whom?
5. State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
6.
To a Soldier, Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it?
To an Officer, Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what one has become of it?
7. State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.
The Court will see that the answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.
The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons--one of whom should be
the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion.
If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify to the character and standing of other persons giving such certificates,
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct
proof, except the declaration of the party. And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the inquiry whether the belief is general; and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.
Applicants unable to appear in Court, by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform,
and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the Peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State of Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.
[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides. If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the declarant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had. Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of loss of memory state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A> B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, accordingly to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades: -- For ____year ____ months, and ____ days I served as a _______. For _____ months and _____ days, I served as a ______; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrases about three or four months, is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, names of officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of declaration is highly objectionable. It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps
called into to service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service
was performed; he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certification of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
Proof of Service.
[j] In case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
The notes from [a] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops. The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[k] This traditionary evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[l] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[m] The answers to the interrogatories must in all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
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Sumter S. C.
July, 13, 1926

The Bureau of Pensions
Washington D.C.

Dear Sir:- Please furnish me with a copy of the record of John Carrother [sic] who served in the war 1776 from North Carolina as to when he commenced to draw a pension and until what time also what county or section and what organization he belonged to or all the facts you have concerning him
yours truly
S. M. Carother [sic]
125 S Main Street
Sumter S. C.
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MRS. WILLIAM HEWLETTE CAROTHERS
INDIANOLA, Mississippi
12 - 15 - 27
Bureau of Pensions
Washington DC

Please send me copy of Pension declaration of
John Carrother [sic] only of NC Private Revolutionary soldier from North Carolina - His is listed in the records as Pensioner & I wish full declaration
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MRS. WILLIAM HEWLETTE CAROTHERS
INDIANOLA, MISSISSIPPI

which I will greatly appreciate
Mrs W H Carothers
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Wyaconda, Mo.
Nov. 5 1937

Veterans Administration
Washington, D.C

Sirs -

I am desirous of becoming a member of the D.A.R. and have written to Major General, E. T. Conley for information concerning the Revolutionary War record of John Carothers who served in the war from Cumberland Co. Pennsylvania. Major General Conley referred me to you for further information concerning this record
Am enclosing stamped, self addressed envelope asking for any information you may be able to give me. Kindly inform me if there is a fee for this service.

Yours Respectfully
Mrs. Lorene Hoskins

[stamp]
RECEIVED
Nov 8 1937
MALL SUB. DIV.
VETS ADM.
READER No. 31.

BL [Bureau Land] Lt
one Carlisle Pa

Ret Nov. 10

there are others of Penn
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Rev. & 1812 Wars Section

October 3, 1928.

Mrs. W. H. Carothers,
Indianola, Mississippi,

Madam:-

I advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 8182, it appears that John Carothers was born in Pennsylvania in May 1755.
While residing in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, he enlisted in the spring of 1776 and served nine months, as a private, under Captain White and Colonel Gibson.
He enlisted in the spring of 1777 and served nine months under Captain Hougland and Colonel Gibson.
Both of the above services were rendered on the frontiers against the Indians.
In the autumn of 1778, he moved to Mecklenburg County, North Carolina and he served in 1780 for three months under Captain James Hart and Colonel Davis in the North Carolina troops and again in 1780, under Captain Brownfield and also under Captain D. Reed and Colonel Robert Irwin in said troops, length of last two services not stated.

M. E. E.
Copied by E.E. L.
from letter by A. W.
dated Aug 27, 1926
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He was allowed pension on his application executed August 31, 1832, while living in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina.
He died February 28, 1838, leaving children, their
names and that of his wife are not given.
The above noted John Carothers is the only soldier of North Carolina by that name found on the Revolutionary Records of this Bureau.
Respectfully,

WINFIELD SCOTT,
Commissioner.
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AW

Rev. & 1812 Wars Section.

August 27, 1938.

S. M. Carothers,
125 S. Main St.
Sumter, S. C.

Sir:

I advise you, that from the papers in the pension claim, S. 8182, it appears that John Carothers was in born in Pennsylvania in May 1755.
While residing in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, he enlisted in the spring of 1776 and served nine months, as a private, under Captain White and Colonel Gibson.
He enlisted in the spring of 1777 and served nine months under Captain Hougland and Colonel Gibson.
Both of the above services were rendered on the frontiers against the Indians.
In the autumn of 1778, he moved to Mecklenburg County, North Carolina and he served in 1780 for three months under Captain James Hart and Colonel Davie [Davis ?] in the North Carolina Troops and again in 1780, under Captain Brownfield and also under Captain D. Reed and Colonel Robert Irwin in said troops, length of last two services not stated.


[handwritten]
he was undoubtedly in Pa. Mil. though Col. Gibson was a Va. officer who was in command on the frontier.
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he was allowed pension on his application executed August 31, 1832, while living in Mecklenburg County, N. C.
He died February 28, 1838, leaving children, their
names and that of his wife are not on record.
Respectfully,

E. W. MORGAN,
Acting Commissioner.

only of N. C.