Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 8,319, for John Engle Pool, Pennsylvania
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(3-1776)

SERVICE
Penn.

Pool, John Engle

NUMBER
R. 8.319


CONTENTS
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V 34.486

Declaration of John E Pool

John E. Pool   Ohio
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Dorlan D E C L. A

Declaration
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June 1832.

State of Ohio
County of Stark}S.S.

On this 26th day of March 1838 personally appeared before

John E. Pool a resident in Sandy township in the county of Stark and State of Ohio aged Seventy Seven years, who being first duly Sworn according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provisions made by the Act of Congress passed June 7th 1832.  That he was draughted into the Service of the United States as a Militia man in the year one thousand seven hundred and Seventy Seven: and served as a soldier under the following named officers:  Stephen Crumrine Captain; Frederick Bingerman, Ensign; officers of the company to which he belonged; Irvine General, and Daniel Utree Colonel, and John Gouldy Lieut Colonel officers of the Pennsylvania Line: that when he was draughted he resided in Ruscombmanor township, in the county of Berks and State of Pennsylvania; he went in to service and rendezvoused on the fifteenth day of July 1777, at the town of Reading and staid two or three weeks there, then was removed to Chester and lay there three or four weeks; and afterward was marched to Brandywine, Delaware, and was in the Battle of the Brandywine; after the Battle this Declarant marched through Chester to Pottsgrove, there to Swamp meeting house, thence to a little town called the Trapp.  between Chestnut Hill and Turkey Hicks he was in a skirmish with the
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Brittish, in which Gen. Irvine was wounded.  Soon after, this Declarant was in the Battle of Germantown.  In four or five days after the Battle he was discharged by Col. D. Utree which discharge he has lost.  He served three months before his discharge.  That afterward while residing in Oley township in the said county of Berks, Pa, he volunteered under Captain Joy a regular officer, as a private.  His service was to make cannon balls bombshells and grape shot, at the Furnace called Oley in said County of Berks. And served from the fifteenth of January 1778. to the eighteenth of June of the same year, five months.  And was discharged and paid off by Captain Joy: which discharge he has lost.  Therefore the whole time for which he claims pension is eight months.  This Declarant was born on the twentieth of March in the year of Our Lord one thousand seven hundred and sixty one, in Ruscombmanor township in the county of Berks aforesaid. After the war of the Revolution, he lived six months in Gloucester Co. N.Y. then he went to Philadelphia and lived there two years; then he went to Deep river N.C. and lived there eight months afterward he went to South Carolina; and thence to the County of Rockingham Va. and lived there six years; thence to the South Branch of the Potomac and lived there four years; thence he removed to the county of Fayette Pa. and lived there fourteen years, and in 1810, he came to New Lisbon in the County of Columbiana, Ohio, and in 1815 he came to Sandy township in the county of Stark Ohio where he now lives and where he has since lived.  (His name staid on the Roll "Engle Pool" for shortness) and because another John Pool in the same company)  He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declared that his name is not on the Pension Roll of the Agency of any State, or if any only on that
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of the Agency of Pennsylvania
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid
John E Pool

We John Brown a clergyman residing in the said township of Sandy, Stark County, and James Creighton residing in the same, hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John E Pool, who had subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be seventy seven years, that he is respected and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
John Brown (signature)
James Creighton (signature)

And I Eli Sowers one of the Associate Judges for the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County of Stark aforesaid do hereby declare my opinion after the investigation of the matter and putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above named applicants was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states; that he does not appear in open court in consequence of his infirmities.  And I further certify that it appears to me that John Brown who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman resident in said Sandy Township.  That James Creighton who has also signed the same is a resident in the same township and is a credible person and that their statement is entitled to credit.

Eli Sowers
Associate Judge
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The State of Ohio
Stark County

I Harman Stidger, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of the county of Stark aforesaid, do hereby certify that the said Eli Sowers is a Judge of the Court of Common Pleas of the said county of Stark which is a Court of Record and that the signature annexed to his certificate is a genuine signature.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 26th day of March 1838.
Herman Stidger, Clerk
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Rev. and 1812
Wars Section

May 19,1927

Mrs. Laura B. Eckley
9512 Gaylord Ave
Cleveland, Ohio

Madam:
I have to advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim R. 8319, it appears that John E. Poole (he stated his name was on the roll Engle Pool) was born March 20, 1761 at Ruscamanner Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania.

He applied for pension March 26, 1838, while a resident of Sandy Township, Stark County, Ohio, and stated that while living at Ruscamanner Township, Pennsylvania, he enlisted July 15, 1777 and served three months in Captain Stephen Crumrine's Company, Colonel Daniel Utree's Pennsylvania Regiment, and was in the battles of Brandywine and Germantown; and while residing at Oley Township, Berks County, Pennsylvania, he was employed from January 15, 1778 until June 18, 1778,
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under Captain Joy, at the furnace there in making cannon balls, bomb shells and grape shot.

The claim was not allowed, as he did not serve six months in a military capacity, as required by the pension law.

In 1855, it is stated that he died "some twelve years ago" in Wheeling, and that he had children living in Ohio and Indiana, no names are mentioned, and there is no further data on file as to family.

There is no provision of law that would entitle the descendants of soldiers of the Revolution to a pension.

Respectfully,

Winfield Scott
Commissioner
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V 34,466
John E. Pool
Ohio
__________
Rejected
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let A. Sortwell

did not serve six months in a military capacity.
8319
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Rej - Act 7th June 1832
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Seal
Pension Office 
Oct 19 1897
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Data
John E. Poole / John Pool } Born in Pennsylvania 1758

Served in Battle of Brandywine under Captain Crabtree and General Lafayette; was afterwards detailed to case shell as he was an expert molder.

Removed to Ohio & finally to Wheeling West Va. where he died in '44 and was buried with military honors.
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Oct 25/97 Mrs. J. Lumnee
Stone, New York City
1927 May 19. Hist to Mrs. Laura B. Eckley auy

Rejected
8319
P.O.  John E. Pool
Service: ________, 18
Enlisted: ________, 18
Discharged: _________
Application Filed: ___________, 18
  The printed list of 1852 shows reasons for 
  rejection
Alleges:  "not military service"
Re-enlisted: ___________
Attorney: __________
P.O. __________
Recognized. _________
Contract _________
Cert of Dis. Searched for ___________, 18
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Cleveland O. 
April 28-1927

United States Government
Department of the Interior
Pension Department
Washington D.C.

Dear Sir:
I am writing in the interests of one Laura B. Eckley Great Granddaughter of John Poole who was born 1761 and died 1843 to be used in connection of admission into Daughters of the American Revolution.

This man entered the American Army and was assigned to duty of casting shells.  He is supposed to have belonged to the (5th V.R.) W D 120.1 and also to the (3 and 7th V.R.) W D 303.1.

I am informed that these records may be found in Vol No 43187-49390 Virginia War Records compiled by Virginia State Library Board.

There was some correspondence sent out by the Government some time ago addressed to John E. Poole or his heirs and it pertained to something that was due this man in some way.  Will you please advise if this man was on the pension list prior to his death and can you give the number of his policy. Also if there is any record of an effort having been made to locate him in regards to money or other things being due him.

Also kindly advise what record is on file regarding his connection with the aforementioned regiments during the Revolutionary War.

Yours very truly,
Mrs. Laura B. Eckley

9512 Gaylord Ave.
Cleveland O.

{John E. Poole}
R8319
Pa
Seal
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Hon. Z. Kidwell
Dec 29/55
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Pension Office
Dec 29 1855

Sir
I have the honor to return the letter of Mr. Nelson and to inform you that John E Pool of Ohio claimed a pension for 8 months service residing in Pennsylvania during the length of the Revolution.  His claim was disallowed because he furnished no evidence that he ever served a day, because it was not believed that the larger portion of the service claim was of the character contemplated by the framers of the Pension laws, and that he was ? seventy, not entitled to a pension if he has proven his allegations.  If his children can succeed in forming the service for which the pension was claimed a pension will be allowed.  This can only be done by the Record in the Office of the Register General of Pa.  If his Rolls or not contain the desired evidence it will be ? to attempt the processing of the case.
Hon Z. Kidwell
Hs Reps
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A. Sortwell
May 16,1838
Ohio
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War Dept. Pens Office
May 16, 1838

Sir.

The declaration of John E. Pool has been examined.  He alleges to have been drafted to serve as a militiaman of Pennsylvania in July 1777 and served three months, dis in January 1778. He to have volunteered under Captain Joy and was employed in making cannon ball, & until June following. The last alleged service and not of that character provided for by the Act of 7 1832.  That act provides for none who did not perform at least six months service under military obligations.  The claim has therefore been rejected and the paper filed in this office.
A. Sortwell Esq.
Canton, Ohio
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Ohio or Va.
1832
Jn E Pool
Enquiry whether he received Rev pension
Answer & return letter to 
Cole
Hon. Z. Kidwell
H Rep
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Wheeling, Dec. 22. 1855

Dear Sir.

John E. Pool who was a private at the battle of Brandywine in 1777 and who is supposed to have continued in the service of the U.S. ? to the end of the War made application to the War. Department for a pension some 20 or 25 years ago as I am informed. He then lived in Stark Co. O. He afterwards removed hither & died here some 12 years ago.

The old soldier never rec of any pension in his life time.  But he had a large family.  Some of his children living in Ohio, Indiana and some of them lives here and it is disputed that some of them may have recently recovered the pension (or a part of it) to which their father was entitled.  Will you do me the favor to enquire whither a pension...
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has ever been allowed to said Pool or if to any to which of his heirs; and such particulars in regard to it or may be of interest to such of his heirs as rec. no part of it.

 I see from the papers that up to yesterday no organization of your House had been expected.
Yr truly
M. Nelson
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Seal
  Canton Ohio Mar 27

James L. Edwards 
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City D.C.

371/2
W. Allison
John E. Pool 
Ohio
Act 1832
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Canton O. March 26th 1838
James L. Edwards Commissioner of Pensions

Sir, Enclosed I send you the declaration of John E. Pool, a poor, infirm soldier of the Revolution. Pittsburgh would be the most convenient place from to be paid the pension. An early and favorable attention to this application will be gratefully acknowledged by a poor soldier.
Respectfully 
A. Sortwell