Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 31316, for James Ramy, Virginia
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(8-1776)
SERVICE.                                                                     NUMBER

Va                                Ramy, James                             S. 31316   
                                   or Raney
                                        Ramey

CONTENTS
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[Left side of page]
25349
Kentucky

James Ramy
Montgomery in the State of Kentucky
who was a private in the [illegible] commanded
by Captain Kirkpatrick of the rgt commanded
by Col Tolls in the Virginia
line for 10 months

Inscribed on the Roll of Kentucky
at the rate of 33 Dollars 33 Cents per annum,
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.

Certificate of Pension issued the 28th day of Dec
1833 and M Harrison
Present

Arrears to the 4th of Sept                     83.33
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4 March    16 67
                                                            $100 00
{Revolutionary Claim,
Act June 7, 1832.}
Recorded by Danl Boyd Clerk.
Book E  Vol. 7  Page 26

[On the top right side of page.]
[illegible] 8 March
1834 to Hon. A Barns
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[On the left side of the page, perpendicular to the page.]
made Raney by
order of Mc Allison

11507
James Raney
Kentucky
from 1781 for 
10 months
$33.3rd/100

5.14.16

M Harrison
Present
[names crossed out] D Longnecker
M Sterling
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BRIEF in the case of James Raney
County of Montgomery in the state of Kentucky
(Act of 7th June, 1832.)
1.   Was the declaration made before a court or a Judge?  Court
2.   If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity?
3.   How old is he?  70 about
4.   State his service, as directed in the form annexed.

Period.                 Duration of Service.                  Rank              Names of General and Field Officers
                                                                                                       under whom he served.
                             Years, Months, Days.                  As a              Gen. Wayne
drafted In 1781      about 11 -                              private            Col Tolls, Major Wallis
                                                                                                     Capt Kirkpatrick
                                                                                                     Col Feebecker

5.  In what battles was he engaged? none
6.  Where did he reside when he entered the service? Culpepper Va
7.  Is his statement supported by living witnessed, by documentary proof, by traditionary evidence, by incidental evidence, or by the rolls?  Living witness + traditionary
8.   Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect?  not attached

I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned.
Ch W Forrest
Examining Clerk.
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State of Kentucky
Montgomery County } SS
On this 3rd day of Sept. 1832. Personally appeared in open court before Silas W Robbins the sole and presiding Judge for the County and Circuit of Montgomery, now setting James Raney resident of Kentucky and county of Montgomery.  Aged about seventy years who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the act of Congress passed 7th June 1832.  That he entered the service in March 1781 for 18 months.  By Draft in the county of Culpepper Virginia. [The next two lines are crossed out.]  Shortly after I was drafted I was ordered to March to Potomack which I did and continued there for 3 weeks under the command of Col. Tolls + Major Jack Willis from thence we marched through Richmond to Pawatan
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at this place we were laid off into companies I then was put under the command of captain Kirkpatrick.  Willis was Major and Feebecker Col.  And during this campaign we marched through most of the counties in the Southern parts of Virginia guarding the inhabitants from the ravages of the enemy.  During these excursions we had several skirmishes with the British in the invirons of James Town but to state the particular day on which any of them took place I cannot with any degree of certainty. I however continued to perform Militia duty during the above campaign until 
Cornwallis was taken at York which I think was in Octr 1781.  We then some time after he was taken marched to Cumberland County by way of Richmond.  And somewhere about Richmond we joined General Wayne sometime in the month of August 1781.  So soon as we arrived in Cumberland we threw up Barracks and continued there till some time in February 1782.  Here I highered a substitute for the ballance of
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my timed as I had been drafted for Eighteen months and had served from March 1781 until February 1782.  He states that he had no documentary evidence in his possession by which he can prove his services.  Neither does he know of any living witnesses by whom he can prove his actual services. Spicer Wilson  Except [the next four lines are crossed out] he states he is old and cannot without much inconvenience obtain [words crossed out] any more than the one as above named whereby*D still having which fact [words crossed out] was not apprised of when he had his declaration drawn affiant.  He states that he never did obtain a discharge owing to the circumstances of his having to higher a substitute.  He hereby relinquishes every claim whatsoever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pension (He states he has a record of his age at   home and that he was Born 25th Jan 1762.)  roll of the agency of any state + he lives now in Montgomery county [illegible] and has for a number of years
Sworn to and subscribed to this day + year aforesaid.
Jans Howard clk of Said Court.
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We Joseph Tanning a clergyman residing in the county of Montgomery + state of Kentucky and Alexis Tipton residing in the same hereby certify that we are full acquainted with James Raney who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be of the age seventy or there abouts years as he states that he was sixty nine 25th November las which we believe to be true  That he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion.  Sworn to a subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
Joseph Hanning
Alexis Tipton
State of Kentucky
Montgomery County}
And the said Court do hereby declare the opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the Interrogatories prescribed by the war department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states  And the Court further certifies that it appears to hem that Joseph Fanning + Alexis Tipton who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman + resident in the County of Montgomery +State of Kentucky and that Spencer Dillan whose [illegible], who has also signed the same is a resident in the same and is credible person and that their statement is entitled to credit.  Given under my hand+ seal as Court Judge this 8th day of September 1832.
Silas W Robbins  seal
I James Howard Clerk of the Court of Montgomery Circuit, Do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings in the matter of the application of James Raney for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this 21st day of September 1832.
James Howard clk.
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This day personally appeared in open Court before Silas W. Robbins the sole and presiding Judge foe the County and Court of Montgomery and State of Kentucky Spicer Wilson resident of Montgomery County and made oath that he is well acquainted with James Ramy who has sworn to this declaration.  That I became acquainted with him in the State of Virginia in Louduc County in the year 1778.  I also swear that said Ramy was a Revolutionary soldier I have a personal knowledge of his having performed the services h has set forth in his declaration as I lived in the same county and was well acquainted with the events of that important period and his place of residence was so near that I could be heard to hollaw in an ordinary way.  I knew when he was drafted when he started and also when he returned home.  And do not hesitate to say that his absence from home in the services of the United States was as long as he has stated.  It was as notorious as anything in that county.  That said Ramy was out and served as he states.  I also swear that said Ramy was considered willing soldier during the time I knew him in the State of Virginia.  I also say that he is a man of credibility and worthy of belief on oath.  Witness my hand and seal this day of Sept 1832.
Spicer Wilson
Sworn to and subscribed to this 4th day of Septer 1832 in open court
Witness Samuel Howard clerk of said Court.
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which said statement being sworn to as aforesaid I James Howard Clerk of said circuit court further certify that it is the opinion of said court that Spicer Wilson is a man of veracity and entitled to credit.
James Howard Clk

Montgomery County Ky
On this 6th day of April 1833
This day this affiant was produce in open court before the Justices of said court no sitting for the purpose of procuring their certificate as to the credibility of the within witness and the court hereby certifies that the within named Spicer Wilson is a resident of Montgomery County *& is a credible person and is intitled to [illegible in any court as he is a man of good moral character and undoubted veracity.  Given under our hands as Justices of the peace for Montgomery County now sitting  
JH Wells  [handwritten seal]
Joseph Bondurant [handwritten seal]
Wm Mitchell [handwritten seal]

11207
S. Wilson
Declaration
Jas. Ramy

State of Kentucky
Montgomery County Sct
I Micajah Harrison  Clerk of the county court for the county aforesaid, do certify that the foregoing certificate of the county court of Montgomery County given as to the credibility of Spicer Wilson, by J.H. Wells, Joseph Bondurant, & Wm. Mitchell Esqrs Justices composing said court, was given in open court, whilst the said Justices were sitting as such.
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand my hand and affixed my seal of office this 23rd day of November 1833.
M. Harrison Clk
[SEAL]
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State of Ky  Montgomery County
On this 6th day of May 1833 personally appeared in open court before the Justices of the County Court for said County now sitting James Ramey a resident of Montgomery County Ky. aged about 70 years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration supplemental to his original declaration in order to claim the benefits of the act of Congress passed 7th of June 1832.
He states as supplemental to his original declaration as per as advised that he entered the services on the last of March in the year as stated in his original declaration   as he thinks and continued in service untill the last of the following February.  Making in all from the time he left home untill discharged ten months & a few days but for the odd days he claims nothing.  He is also informed that his name was not written Ramey in his original declaration but instead thereof it was written Raney which is not his name but all things else are right as to time & circumstances & the particulars of his services.
Sworn to & subscribed the day & year aforesd.
James Ramey [handwritten seal]
Teste.
M. Harrison Clk.

And this court concurs with the court which certified the original declaration herein.  And also certifies that they are of the opinion that what is set forth in this the supplemental declaration is true and that the above applicant served as he states as he is known to us as being a man of undoubted veracity.  given under our hands as Justice of the peace now in court sitting this 6th of April 1833
J.H. Wells  [handwritten seal]
Wm. Mitchell [handwritten seal]
Joseph Bondurant [handwritten seal]
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State of Kentucky
Montgomery County Sct
I Micajah Harrison Clerk of the court of Montgomery County, Do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original supplementary proceedings of the said court, in the matter of the application of James Ramey for a pension
In Testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this 23rd day of August 1833
M. Harrison Clk.
[SEAL]
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Rev. and 1812
Wars Section.

August 29, 1937

Emily Brooks
2330 College Ave
Indianapolis, Ind

Madam:

I have to advise you from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim S. 31316, it appears that James Ramy or Raney or Ramsy was born November 25, 1762, place not stated.

He was drafted in Culpeper County, Virginia in March 1781 and served three weeks in Colonel Towles' Virginia Regiment, when he was placed in Captain Kirkpatrick's Company, Colonel Febinger's Virginia Regiment, and was in several skirmishes and served until in February 1782.

He was allowed pension on his application executed September 3, 1832, while a resident of Montgomery County, Kentucky.

There are no data as to family.

Respectfully,

E. W. MORGAN
Acting Commissioner.
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31316
INVALID
File No. 31316
James Ramy
Pri Rev War


Act: June 7th 

Index: Vol. B, Page 333

(Arrangement of 1870)
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Payments to be made
at Lexington
by the Prest of USB Bank
Agent for paying Pensioners in the Agency of Kentucky

Recorded in the Pension office in Book E Vol 7
Page 26 by Danl Boyd
Clerk
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WAR DEPARTMENT

REVOLUTIONARY CLAIM

   I certify that, in conformity with the law of the United States of the 7th June, 1832, James Ramy of the State of Kentucky who was a private in the Army of the Revolution is entitled to receive thirty three collars and thirty three cents per annum, during his natural life, commencing of the 4th of March, 1831, and payable semiannually on the 4th of March and 4th of September in every year.  

Given at the War Office of the United States this 28th day of December one thousand eight hundred and thirty three
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Ramy

Clerks certification to the court certificate as to the credibility of Spicer Mckan
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of James Raney which require further proof or explanation.

I.  Does the declaration show where the applicant resides?  yes

II.  Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides?  yes

III.  If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so?

IV.  Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served?  yes

V.  *Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled?  no

VI.  Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations?  yes

VII.  Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832?  yes

VIII.  Has the Court given their opinion?  yes

IX.  Has the Clerk given his certificate?  yes

X.  Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal?  yes
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XI.  Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary services?  yes

XII.  If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it?

XIII.  If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had?  to dress

XIV.  *If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service?  no
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses?  the court has not
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct?

XV.  Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service?  yes

XVI.  *Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct?  No

XVII.  Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered?  

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EXPLANATORY NOTES.

*QUERE V.  In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades;  For ____ year ____ months, and ____ days, I served as a ____ For ____ months and ____ days, I served as a ____; and for such service I claim a pension.
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
*QUERE XIV.  Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oats must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
*QUERE XVI.  Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers it not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
-->In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
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2330 College Avenue
Indianapolis
Ind
Apr. 28 1927

Bureau of Pensions

Dear Sirs:  I write to get knowledge of Revolutionary pensioner of Montgomery Co. Ken. by the name of Jas. Raney who was of Virginia line also want data of a Jas. Raney that fought in the Revolution in Maryland. I have never found record of him as a pensioner though, but found record of him as a soldier of Rev in Maryland.
I am anxious to find out the names of the men's sons.
Respt.
Emily Brooks
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STAMP
U. S. PENSION OFFICE
APR 29 1927