Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 13235, Nathaniel Guttry, Va.
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(3-1776)

SERVICE 
Va. 

Guttry, Nathaniel 
or Guthrie

NUMBER
S. 13235

Carded

CONTENTS
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7303 
Kentucky
Nathaniel Guthrie
of Madison Co in the State of Kentucky
who was a private in the company commanded by Captain Rucker of the Regt. commanded by Col Dabney in the Virginia line for 7 months
Nathaniel Guthry
Records corrected Febr. 19/06.8.
Inscribed on the Roll of Kentucky
at the rate of 23 Dollars 33 Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.
Certificate of Pension issued the 27 day of March 1833 and sent to Daniel Breck Richmond Kentucky
Arrears to the 4th of March 1833 46.66
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4 Sept 11 66
$58.32
Revolutionary Claim,
Act June 7, 1832.
Recorded by Daniel Boyd Clerk,
Book E Vol. 7 Page 10
Date of death not on AB
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Nathnl. Guthrie.
Declaration
7205
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(Guthrie)
State of Kentucky
Madison County S.S.
On this 13 day of August 1832 personally appeared in open Court before William Goodlor Jas Degarvette & George Alcorn justices of the County Court in & for the County of Madison aforesaid, now sitting, Nathaniel Guthrie a resident of said County aged 69 years who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832, That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers & served as herein stated -
That in 1778 he was drafted in the Militia from Amherst County Virginia & served a tour of duty of 30 days in guarding the British Prisoners at Albemarle in Va 8 or 9 miles from Charlottesville - Ambrose Rucker was his Corpl
In 1780 to the best of his recollection he was drafted & served a tour of duty in the Militia of 3 months - went from Amherst County - Will Tucker was his Capt. - his Bro. Lieut. was marched towards Hampton Rodes & stationed at a place called the half way house - & was also stationed James River in Little York - Colo Dabney & Genl Lawson commander - was discharged at Williamsburg - was again drafted & served a tour of three months or more in 1781 - John Loving his Capt. Lawson's Brigade-
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was at the Siege of York & there discharged a few days before Cornwallis surrendered - served in all seven months or more - that he has no documentary evidence by which he can establish his services - & knows of no person whose testimony he can procure, who can testify to his services - He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present & declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state -
Nathaniel Guthry
Sworn to & subscribed
the day & year aforesaid

We Richard Gentry & Richd Broaddus residents of the County of Madison aforesaid do hereby certify that we have long been well acquainted with Nathaniel Guthrie, who has subscribed & sworn to the above Declaration that he is a man of good character - that we believe him to be 69 years of age, that he is reputed & believed to have been a soldier of the Revolution in the neighborhood where he resides & that we concur in that opinion -
Sworn & Subscribed the day & year aforesd
Richard Gentry
Richd Broaddus
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And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the war department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary Soldier and served as he states, and the Court further certifies that Richard Gentry & Richard Broaddus who have signed the preceding certificate, are resident citizens of the County of Madison aforesaid and are credible persons of good character and that their statement is entitled to full credit
James Dijarnett
Wm Goodlor
Geo. Alcorn

Kentucky Madison County Sct
I David Irvine Clerk of the Court of Madison County do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of said Court in the matter of the application of Nathaniel Guthrie for a pension
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal of office this 17 day of August 1832
David Irvine Cir C
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N. Guthrie
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Guthrey
State of Kentucky
Madison County SS
On this 7 day of Jany 1833 personally appeared in open Court before John Hawkins William Hiatt & W Watts Justices of the Madison County Court aforesaid now sitting Nathaniel Guthrie a resident of said County, who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following Declaration supplementary to his Declaration made in said Court on the 3rd day of August 1832 in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 that he was born in Hanover County Virginia in the year 1763 - 23d Dec - that he has in his possession a record of his age taken from one made by his Father - He does not recollect the names of more officers than stated in his original declaration - & after he recollects that Gen. or Baron Steuben & Gen James men said to have commanded of the troops to which he was attached on his last term - Nathaniel Guthry
Sworn to & subscribed on the day & year aforesaid
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We Josiah Collins a clergyman residing in the County of Madison aforesaid do hereby certify that I am well acquainted with Nathaniel Guthrie who has subscribed & sworn to the foregoing Declaration - that I believe him to be 69 years of age - that he is reputed & believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution & that I concur in that opinion
I further certify that said Guthrie is a professor of Religion & a ma of good Character Josiah Collins
Subscribed & sworn
to on the day & year
aforesaid
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And the said Court declair their opinion that they concur in the opinion contained in the certificate of the Court attached to the original Declaration of said applicant - and the Court further certifies that Josiah Collins who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman resident in the County of Madison aforesaid - & that his statement is entitled to full credit - John Hawkins
William Hiatt
Wm Watts

I David Irvine Clerk of the Court of the County of Madison aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original & supplemental proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Nathaniel Guthrey for a pension - In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 8th January 1833-
David Irvine Clerk
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June 25, 1935
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Mrs. L. A. Browning BA-J/EEL Om
Montrose Nathaniel Guttry - S. 13235
Illinois

Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request information in regard to Nathaniel Guthery, who served in the Revolutionary War from Ohio, Kentucky, Virginia or West Virginia, and received a pension of $4 per month for his services.
A careful search of the Revolutionary War records has been made and the record found of only one Nathaniel Guttry, all spellings of the surname used in the search. His record is given herein as found in his claim for pension, S. 13235. It is hoped that this is the record which you seek.
Nathaniel Guttry (as he signed) was born December 23, 1763, in Hanover County, Virginia. The names of his parents are not shown.
Nathaniel Guttry enlisted in Amherst County, Virginia, in 1778, served one month in Captain Ambrose Rucker's Virginia Company and guarded British prisoners at Albemarle, Virginia; in 1780, he enlisted and served three months in Captain Will Tucker's Company, Colonel Dabney's Virginia Regiment; and again enlisted in 1781, served three months in Captain John Loving's Virginia Company, was at the siege of Yorktown and was discharged a few days before the surrender of Cornwallis.
He was allowed pension on his application executed August 12, 1832, while residing in Madison County, Kentucky.
There are no data as to soldier's family.
In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension, the name and address of person paid and possibly the date of death of the Revolutionary War pensioner, Nathaniel Guttry (S.13235), you should address The Comptroller General, General Accounting Offices, Records Division, this city, and cite the following data:
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Nathaniel Guttry, Certificate No. 7303, issued March 27, 1833, rate $23.33 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of June 7, 1832, Kentucky Agency.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant to the Administrator.
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Montrose. Ill
June 13, 1935.
Pension Bureau
Washington
D.C. 
RECEIVED JUN 14 1935
MAIL SUB-DIV. VETS. ADM.
READER #29
Sirs: - Could you refer to past records and give me dates concerning a Nathaniel Guthery who served in the Revolutionary War, either from Ohio, Kentucky or Virginia or New Virginia as West Virginia was sometimes called in those days? Our records are partly destroyed and we do not know just where he enlisted. At one time he received $4 per month pension if that will help any.
Respectfully
Mrs. L. A. Browning
Montrose.
Ill.
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1935 June 25 - Hist to Miss L. A. Browning - E.L.
Rev War 13.235
INVALID.
File No. 13,235
Nathaniel Guthrie
Priv. Rev. War
Act: June 7th 1832.
Index:-Vol. 1, Page 154
Arrangement of 1870.
Nathaniel Guttry.
Records corrected.
Febr. 19/06. S.
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N. Guthrie
from 1778 private
7 months,
$23.33/100.
Daniel Breck,
Richmond 
Kentucky.
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Nathaniel Gutherie which require further proof or explanation.

I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes

II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes

III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for him not doing so? 

IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? yes

V. *Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? yes

VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? yes

VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes

VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes

IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes

X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes
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XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? NO

XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? NO

XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? Traditionary evidence

XIV. [notation sign 1]If the applicant has produced a witness or witnesses as to his service, has the magistrate who administered the oath certified that he, she, or they are persons of credibility? yes
Has the official character and signature of the magistrate been certified by the proper officer under his seal of office? yes

XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? No

XVI. [notation sign 2]Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes

XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? 1, 2, 5, 7 not answered
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EXPLANATORY NOTES.

*QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For ___________ year _____________ months, and _________ days, I served as a ______________ For _____________ months and ___________ days, I served as a _______________; and for such service I claim a pension.”
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase "about three or four months" is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[notation sign 1]QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
[notation sign 2]QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
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Hon. L. Cass
Secy. War
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Richmond Jany 10th 1833
Hon. Lewis Cass
Sir, I forward you herewith enclosed the Declaration &c with the amendments of Samuel Walkup & Nathl Guthrie
Most respectfully
Your &c
 Daniel Breck