Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 11010, for John Lucas, South Carolina
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(3-1776)
SERVICE NUMBER
SC Lucas, John S11010
Carded
CONTENTS
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30948
Alabama
John Lucas
of Dale Co in the state of Alabama who was a private in the company commanded by Captain Tate of the regt commanded by Col Wrin in the S Carolina line for six months
Inscribed on the Roll of Alabama at the rate of 20 Dollars - Cents per annum to commence on the 4th day of March 1831
Certificate of Pension issued the 10 day of January 1837 and sent to George Fisher Esq Tallahassee
Arrears to the 4th of Sept 1836 $110
Semi-anl allowance ending 4 Mch 37  10
120
{Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7 1832}
Recorded by Wm Sullivan Clerk
Book E2 Vol 8 page 102

Let to Ch Lewis Aug 10 1837
Dead " " Jno and June 20 1839
Let Wm H Maynor July 20/54
Hon J Abercrombie July 28 1854
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[left side, sideways]
says he served during the War
Commissioner of Pensions.
JAMES L. EDWARDS.

[right side]
30.816.
John Lucas
Alabama
admitted private 6 mo. $20
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Return & if can allow for six month certified to go Higher

See Boyd's papers for his letter

Gen Call of Florida Present

D.R.
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WAR DEPARTMENT,
Pension Office,
5th May 1834

Sir,
The evidence in support of your claim, under the act of June 7, 1832, has been examined, and the papers are herewith returned. The following is a statement of your case in a tabular form. On comparing these papers with the following rules, and the subjoined notes, you will readily perceive that objections exist, which must be removed, before a pension can be allowed. the notes and the regulations will shew what is necessary to be done. Those points to which your attention is more particularly directed, you will find marked in the margin with a brace, (thus: }). You will, when you return your papers to this Department, send this printed letter with them; and you will, by complying with this request, greatly facilitate the investigation of your
claim.

A Statement, showing the service of John Lucas
Period when Service was rendered
[no dates]

Duration of the claimant's service. 
6 months

Rank of the claimant.
priv

Names and rank of the Field officers under whom he served.
[blank]

Age at present, ┃ and place of abode when he entered the service.
80 years,
Camden District So Ca
Proof by which the declaration is supported.
Traditionary and a living Witness

I am, respectfully

Your obedient servant
JAMES L. EDWARDS,
Commissioner of Pensions.

says he served during the war.
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REGULATIONS UNDER THE ACT OF JUNE 7, 1832.

The following regulations have been adopted:
This law has been construed to extend, as well to the line, as to every branch of the Staff of the Army and to include under the terms "Continental Line," "State troops," "militia," and "volunteers," all persons enlisted, drafted, or who volunteered and who were bound to military service, but not those who were occasionally employed with the army upon civil contracts, such as Clerks to Commissaries and to Store Keepers, & c, Teamsters, Boatmen, &c.  Persons who serviced on board of private armed vessels are also excluded from the benefits of the law, as well as persons who turned out as patrols, or were engaged in guarding particular places at night, and were not recognized as being in actual military service.
Four general classes of cases are embraced in this law:
1.  The Regular Troops.
2.  The State Troops, Militia, and Volunteers.
3.  Persons employed in the Naval Service.
4.  Indian Spies.
As rolls of the regular troops in the Revolutionary War exist in this Department, all persons claiming the benefit of this law as officers, non-commissioned officers, mucicians or privates, will in the first instance, make applications by transmitting the following declaration, which will be made before a Court of Record of the County where such applicant resides.  And every Court having by law a seal and Clerk is considered a Court of Record.
DECLARATION.
In order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress of the 7th of June 1832
State, Territory, or District of
County of } ss.
On this     day of     personally appeared (a) before
A. B. a resident (b) of     in the county of     and State, Territory or District of     aged (c)      years who being duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed June 7th, 1832.  That he enlisted in the Army of the United States in the year (d)     , with     and served in the      (e) regiment of the     line, under the following named officers:

[Here set forth the names and rank of the Field and Company Officers; the time he left the service; (and if he served under more than one term of enlistment, he must specify the particular period, and rank and names of his officers;) the town or county and State in which he resided when he entered the service; the battles, if any, in which he was engaged, and the country through which he marched.  This form is to be varied so as to apply to the cases of officers and persons who belonged to the militia, volunteers, navy, &c.]

He hereby relinquishes every claim (f) whatever to a pension or an annuity, except the present, and he declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of any Agency in any State, or (if any) only on that of the Agency in the State of
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid,                             A. B.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion (g) that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states.
I     of the Court of     do hereby certify (h) that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of     for a pension.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office (i) this     day of      &c.

If, on examination of the proper record, the names of applicants, making such declaration, cannot be found, they will produce such proof as the rule given in note (j) points out.
Every applicant who claims a pension by virtue of service in the State Troops, Volunteers or Militia, except those who belonged to the New Hampshire Militia and State Troops of Virginia, will make and subscribe a declaration similar to the foregoing, with the following additions, viz:
(k) We, A. B., a Clergyman. residing in the     and C. D. residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with     , who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration; that we believe him to be     years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighborhood where he resides, to have been a soldier of the Revolution, and that we concur in that opinion.
Sworn and subscribed the days and year aforesaid.
[And then will follow the certificate of the Court.]
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary Soldier, and served as he states. And the Court further certified, that it appears to them that A. B. who has signed the preceding certificate is a clergyman, resident in the     and that C. D., who has also signed the same is a resident in the     and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
I,     Clerk of the Court of     do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court, in the matter of the application of      for a pension.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office, this    day of     &c.
Every applicant will produce the best proof in his power.  This is the original discharge or commission; but if neither of these can be obtained, the party will so state under oath, and will then procure, if possible, the testimony of at least one credible witness, stating in detail his personal knowledge of the services of the applicant, and such circumstances connected therewith, as may have a tendency to throw light upon the transaction.
If such surviving witness cannot be found, the applicant will so state in his declaration, (l) and he will also, whether he produce such evidence or not, proceed to relate all the material facts, which can be useful in the investigation of his claim, and in the comparison of his narrative with the events of the period of his
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alleged service, as they are known at the Department. A very full account of services of each person will be indispensable to a favorable action upon his case.  The facts stated will afford one of the principal means of corrobating the declaration of the applicant, if true, or of detecting the imposition, if one be at attempted; and unless, therefore, these are amply and clearly set forth, no favorable decision can be expected.  All applicants will appear before some Court of Record in the County, in which they reside, and there subscribe and be sworn to, one of the declarations above provided, according to the nature of his case.  
The Court will propound the following (m) interrogatories to all applicants for a pension, on account of service in the Militia, State troops, or Volunteers, except the Militia of New Hampshire and the State troops of Virginia.
1.  Where and in what year were you born?
2.  Have you any record your age, and if so, where is it?
3.  Where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the Revolutionary war, and where do you now live?
4.  How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer, or were you a substitute?  And if a substitute, for whom?
5.  State the names of some of the Regular Officers, who were with the troops, where you served; such Continental and Militia Regiments as you can recollect, and the general circumstances of your services.
6.  {To a Soldier.} Did you ever receive a discharge from the service, and if so, by whom was it given and what has become of it?  {To an Officer.}  Did you ever receive a commission, and if so, by whom was it signed, and what has become of it?
7.  State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a soldier of the Revolution.  The Court will see that he answers to these questions are embodied in the declaration, and they are requested to annex their opinions of the truth of the statement of the applicant.  The applicant will further produce in Court, if the same can be done, in the opinion of the Court, without too much expense and inconvenience to him, two respectable persons - one of whom should be the nearest clergyman, if one lives in the immediate vicinity of such applicant, who can testify, from their acquaintance with him, that they believe he is of the age he represents, and that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood to have been a Revolutionary soldier, and that they concur in that opinion.  If one of these persons is a Clergyman, the Court will so certify, and they will also certify, to the character and standing of other persons, giving such certificates.
The traditionary evidence of service is deemed very important, in the absence of any direct proof, except the declaration of the party  And the Courts are requested to be very particular in the enquiry whether the belief is general, and whether any doubts have ever existed upon the subject.  
Applicants unable to appear in Court by reason of bodily infirmity, may make the declaration before required, and submit to the examination, before a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record of the proper county, and the Judge or Justice will execute the duties, which the Court is herein requested to perform, and will also certify that the applicant cannot, from bodily infirmity, attend the Court.
Whenever any official act is required to be done by a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or by a Justice of the peace, the certificate of the Secretary of State or Territory, or of the proper Clerk of the Court or County, under his seal of office, will be annexed, stating that such person is a Judge or Justice of a Court of Record, or a Justice of the Peace, and that the signature annexed is his genuine signature.
No payments can be made on account of the services of any person, who may have died before the taking effect of the act of June 7, 1832; and in case of death subsequent thereto, and before the declaration herein required is made, the parties interested will transmit such evidence as they can procure, taken and authenticated before a Court of Record, showing the services of the deceased, the period of his death, the opinion of the neighborhood respecting such services, the title of the claimant, and the opinion of the Court upon the whole matter.

[a] The declarant must appear in open Court, unless prevented from doing so by reason of bodily infirmity; in which case the declarant will follow the rule laid down for his guidance.
[b] The declarant must make his declaration in the county where he resides.  If he should fail to do so, he must assign a sufficient reason for not conforming to the rule.
[c] The age of the claimant must invariably be mentioned.
[d] The declarant must mention the period or periods of the war when he served.
[e] Every continental officer or soldier must give the name of the Colonel under whom he served; otherwise a satisfactory examination of the claim cannot be had.  Every claimant must state, with precision, the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the Department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled.  In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service; but, according to the best of his recollection, he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades:  For  year  months, and  days, I served as a  For  months and  days, I served as a  ; and for such service I claim a pension."
It is important, in all cases, to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service.  The use of the phrase about three or four months, is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.  Some persons who apply for pensions merely state that they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours, the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service.  This form of a declaration is highly objectionable.  It must, in every case, be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served:  the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[f] The law makes the relinquishment indispensable.
[g] The opinion of the Court is always required.
[h] The Clerk must give his certificate in every case.
[i] The Clerk must affix his seal, and if it has no device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal, or if he has no public seal of office, the certificate of a Member of Congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.

Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other papers authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.

Proof of Service.
[j] In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimant's entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged.  The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witness and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer under his seal of office.
[i] The notes from [a] to [i] are all equally applicable to the cases of Militia men, Volunteers and State Troops,  The proof required by rule in note [j] applies to continental troops only.
[k] This traditionary evidence is indispensable in militia cases.
[l] If a witness cannot be found, the declarant must state the fact.
[m] The answers to the interrogatories must all be written, and sent to the War Department, with the declaration.
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John Lucas amended
Declaration for a Pension
30.816
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the State of Alabama
Dale county
On this first day of February 1834 personally appeared in open court, before William Harper Judge of the County Court of the County and State aforesaid now sitting John Lucas, a resident of the State of Alabama and County of Dale aforesaid aged Eighty years, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth, on his oath, make the following declaration, in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7, 1832.
That he was drafted in the service of the United States under the following named officers, and served as herein stated. was drafted for six months in the State of South Carolina Camden District where I resided under the command of General Sumpter, Col. Irvin and Maj. Tate and was marched from thence to Augusta Georgia; and from thence to Savannah in the same State of Georgia and from thence to saint Augustine in Florida. I was during that draft at the battle of Saint-- Marys and at the battle of Augusta
and various other battles, from thence returned to South Carolina,
six Months draft having expired. I then volunteered under the
command of General Morgan, General Sumter and Marched to
Black Stock, I was at the Battle of Black Stock, I was at the
battle of the Cowpens; and in the Eutaw Battle all In the State of South Carolina; I was engaged from the commencement of the Revolutionary war to the end and my service was performed in the State of South Carolina with the exception of the six month. I am wholly unable to state the day and month and year when I
entered the service and the time I left the same and many other
particulars which would be useful in the investigation of my claim
by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory. I served
during the war, and my sufferance during that period was very great.
I know of no person only my Brother Randolph Lucas whose testimony I can procure who can testify to my service and he can only testimony to that performed in South Carolina
All of who [knew?]me are Deceased or moved beyond my knowledge. At
Expiration of my term of service I reced a discharge in South Carolina.
that I had the misfortune of getting my house burnt since the
the war together with my discharge, (my house was burned in
the State first aforesaid) He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity, except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of any State,
the day and year aforesaid
1. where and in what year were you born
Dale County
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1 I was born in the year 1754 In the State of North Carolina,
2 Have you any Record of your age; and if so, where is it-
2 I had a record of my age be I got it burnt together with my house 
3 where were you living when called into service; where have you lived since the revolutionary war, and where do you now live
3 I was living in the State of South Carolina Winsbrough District. I moved from South Carolina to this State of Ala and now reside in Alabama
4 How were you called into service; were you drafted, did you volunteer or were you a substitute. And if a substitute for whom
4 I was drafted for six months and after the expiration of that time I volunteered and served during the war
5 State the names of some the regular officers who were with the troops where you served; such continental and militia regiments as you can recollect & the general circumstances of your service.
6. Did you ever receive a discharge from the service; and if so, by whom was it given, and what has become of it 
6 I received a discharge and got it burnt together with my house in the State first aforesaid
5 I have stated all that I am able in the declaration hereunto annexed
7 State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighbourhood, and who can testify as to your character for veracity, and their belief of your services as a solder of the
Revolution
7 Edward Chitty and Asa Dean can testify as to my character & C
John Lucas [signature]

Sworn to and subscribed the day and year first aforesaid
William Harper JP ??

We Edward Chitty a clergyman, residing County and State aforesaid and State aforesaid and Asa Dean residing in (the same) hereby certify, that we are well acquainted with John Lucas who has subscribed and sworn to the above Declaration that we believe him to be Eighty years of age; that he is reputed and believed, in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution & that we concur in that opinion
Edward Chitty
Asa Dean [signatures]

Sworn to and subscribed before me, the day & year aforesaid William Harper JP??
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And the said Court do hereby declare there opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department, that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary soldier, and served as he states

And the court further certifies, that it appears to them that Edward Chitty who has signed the preceding certificate is a Clergyman, residing in the County and State first aforessaid and that Asa Dean who has also signed the same is a resident in the said County and State and is a credible person, and that their statement is entitled to credit.
Attest Asa Alexander CCDC William Harper JPDC

Personally appeared in open Court Randolph Lucas who after being first duly sworn according to law deposeth and saith that he has carefully Examined the foregoing Declaration of the applicant of John Lucas for a pension, and so far as relates to his services in the State of South Carolina he believes to be true and as for his services while accepted for six months in the State of Georgia he cannot say as he was not personally acquainted with his services in that State, but that he always understood that he served as he states
Randolph X Lucas his mark [signature]

Sworn and subscribed the day and year first aforesaid before me William Harper JPCDC

I, Asa Alexander Clerk of the County Court of Dale County Alabama do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the applicant of {illegible] John Lucas for a pension

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and a private seal there being no publick seal of office this the day and year first aforesaid.-
Asa Alexander CCCDC
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the State of Alabama 
Dale County
On the 17 day of November 1832 personally appeared in open court for the County of Dale
John Lucas of the State and County aforesaid and being duly sworn on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provisions made by the act of Congress passed on the 7th day of March 1832 Saith that he is of the age of Seventy Nine years and entered in the service of the United States, a drafted Soldier under the command General Sumter Col Ward Maj Tate Capt Johnson and served six months then volunteered under the command, Gnl Sumter and fought under his command and General Clark at the Blackstock also at the Cowpens he entered the service in the State of South Carolina Camden District, Marched from thence through the
State of South Carolina Georgia and to Augusta under the command of General Lee and served
the whole of the War, and I hereby relinquish every claim whatsoever to any pension or annuity except the present and he declares that his name is not on any pension Roll of any agency in any state sworn to and subscribed this 7 day of November 1832
John Lucas
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I, William Harper Judge of the County Court of Dale County Do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of John Lucas for a pension in testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 17th November 1832 William Harper J.C.C.D.C.

I Edward Chitty a clergyman of the county of Dale do hereby certify that I am well acquainted with
John Lucas who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration and that I believe him to be of the age of 79 years and that he is reputed and believed in the neighbourhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution and that I concur in that opinion
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid
Edward Chitty

I Asa Alexander Clerk of the county court of Dale County do hereby certify that the foregoing
contains the original proceedings of the said court in the matter of the application of John
Lucas for a pension

in testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 17th day of November 1832
Asa Alexander C.C. D.C.
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Salem Alabama 8 July 1854
Dear Sir
A lady who says her Father John Lucas was a Revolutionary Soldier Proven in Dale County Alabama About the year 1832 or 1833 And Dyed Without getting his Pension. After receiving a
Certificate and that there is arrears of Pension And Probably land coming to her as the only heir. Her father the said John Having served through the war I want a form to take the Testimony of her Witness a Woman who is about 78 years old who seems to know the above fact. The Witness
is Nancy Lucas And the heir who claims The Arrears of Pension is Jane White. This Old Woman says her husband and John Lucas was Both in the Ware And Many Circumstances About the case. She Recollects to her husband And Brother Was Both older and had preformed the service before her
Recollection. Pleas look for the Names of John Lucas Randolph Lucas And see what arrears of Pension is due. Tho the Widdow of Randolph is Now Claiming in her own Right As a Widdow Tho Not for Arrears of Pension
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She says they tryed once About 1836 Through Asa Alexander All then residing in Dale County "you can see on the Pension Roll if their statement is true And what is due them and give me the Form of taking the proof to aid them in getting it I have no doubt of both John & Randolph Both Being in the War. As I have always understood

Your reply will be thankfully had
I am with Respect Your Obedient Servent
Wm H. Maynor

L.P. Waldo Commr

N B If any Additional proof is wanted in the Claim of Nancy Lucas Widow of Randolph Lucas Dec'd Pleas send me a form with notes pointed out, as I find it Very dificult to meet the demand of the
Law And Office Regulation without
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Clayton Barbour County Ala July 27th 1837 Th Hon Secretary of war, Sir, I  was applied to a short time since  by a  Me. Randolph Lucas to  assist him in  procuring a pension which he had understood had been granted to him Session before last of Congress , also due to his Brother  John Lucas. From information  received from the Pension Agent  at Mobile . Their names are enrolled and they are  allowed a yearly pension from 4th March 1831. He informed me that he had  reason to believe that the certificate had been issued from your Office and probably handed to the Honble. Dixon H. Lewis . He being the representative from this District - and that he had enclosed the same to a Mr. John Ard Livery in  Dale Count in the neighborhood of the Lucas'  Lucas reason for believing so is that Ard informed him a pension was allowed- and has been trying to purchase it of them, knowing them to be poo rand in distress - and  during he has received their certificate. He has understood  from information that Ard  had received them from Lewis - I have written to Mr. Lewis - as yet I have not receive any answer. The cause I know not. The Pension  Agent requests in the affidavit  the  marks so let out on copy of the certificate furnished   then by the Secretary of War- or produce  an application for their  pay
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under existing circumstances they cannot do so, they have as yet never received, it has not yet paid, or has been purloined by this man and I have thought it advisable to [illegible] you on the subject and ask you under the circumstances, to forward to me at this place for them their certificate of allowance. If not already paid and if I heard send a Duplicate of the same Terms & dates - I know this much, They are poor and stand in great need, they will not need it long - You
confer a great favour on them. Besides performing an act of Charity - By letting being me hear from you immediately on the subject The agent has furnished the necessary form. (If the certificate can be processed) - to enable them to get their money - they they are too old & infirm to go after it themselves

I am sir very Respectfully yours
Charles Lewis [signature]
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S565
Aug 9. 1837
Pension office.
Jno Lucas 30948
Randolph Lucas 30947
All adm
25
Clayton Ala
July 28th
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The Hon. the Secretary at War
Washington City
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[envelope]
[postmark]
SALEM ALA
JUL 9

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L P Waldo Comm of Pensions
Washington D C 

[sideways]
John Lucas
Aug 3 1832
Nancy Lucas widow of Randolph
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11.10
Revolution INVALID.
File No. 11, 110
John Lucas
Priv Rev War
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Act: June 7th 1832
Index:--Vol. A, Page 30
{Arrangement of 1870.}
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Washington City 25th July 1854
L. P. Waldo Esqr
Dear Sir
I have the honor to enclose you the letter of Mr H Maynor the first case mentioned you have answered recently. I most respectfully ask your attention to the balance of the letter

Very Respectfully
your obt servt
J Abercrombie
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Suspended
See letter to Genl Call of Florida
Present
9 March 1835
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I certify that Asa Alexander is Clerk of the County Court of Dale County and the the
signature affixed to the declaration of John Lucas is his genuine signature
May 12th 1834-
D H Lewis