Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R 1702, John Carman, New York
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Service: New York.
Carman, John
Number: R1702
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John Carmans
Declaration
No 4153
Vt

[note added in pencil: app [illegible] 1818 [illegible] ]

Act 7. June 32

7 June 1832

H H Sylvester
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State of Vermont} Highgate July 30th 1832
Franklin County}
Then personally appeared John Carman a resident of the Town of Highgate, county of Franklin & State of Vermont, aged seventy two years, who being first duly sworn according to law before me the subscribing authority doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 - 
That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as hereinafter stated - Joseph B. Cutler. Justice Peace.
He enlisted under Capt Chaffee a little while before Burgoyne was taken - 
after which the following interrogatories were put to Carman and by him the said Carman the following, answers were given.
Q. Where was you born -
An. In Chancellors Manner State of New York
Q. How old are you
An. I do not know; but I was seventeen years old when I enlisted which was a short time before  Burgoyne was taken.  I was in the battle at Stillwater & Saratoga at the taking of Burgoyne and when the battle was over we had men enough to take another Burgoyne
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Q.  Who were your other officers under whom you served -
An. - Phillip Moore was my Lieut.  Phillip Harcour or Harcorn was Col and Frink or Fink was Maj which of these names he cannot say -Gen Gates commanded at Stillwater.
Q.  How long did you enlist for the first tour 
An. I enlisted for nine months and served my time out - 
Q - Did you enlist again 
An. Immediately after my first term expired I again enlisted under Capt Joseph Harris, for two  years (he thinks) he believes that his Lieut. name was Bingham or Brigham served in Col Willet and Major Frink or FInk Regt. the same Major he first served under.  During his term of service he was stationed at Stillwater, Saratoga, West-Point, Schoharie, German Flatts, Herkimer, Fort Stanwick, White Plains, Stone Robby & Albany.  At the expiration of his time last mentioned, he states that he received a discharge, that he left it at Livingstons Manner with one Harry Stalls, where he resided after he returned from the service.  He also states that a number of years since he made application for a pension.  Sent for his discharge but it could not be found.  
He has no documentary evidence and knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service.
He hereby
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relinquishes every claim to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares this his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any State

Sworn to, on the day             
and year aforesaid}  Not subscribed being blind

We Joseph B. Cutler & Thomas Best residents in the Town of Highgate in the county of Franklin and State said hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Carman of Highgate aforesaid who has sworn to the foregoing declaration that we believe him to be seventy two years of age, the he is reputed to believed in the Town where he resides to have been a soldier of the revolution, and we concur in that opinion
Augt 2 AD 1832}. Thomas Best
Sworn & Subscribed} Joseph B. Cutler

And the court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories to the subscribing witnesses relative to the prevailing opinion of the neighborhood in which said Carman resides, and the length of time the witnesses had been acquainted with the applicant. That the said Carman has been a soldier of the revolution - 
And the court further certify that it appears that Thomas Best is a clergyman, resident as aforesaid and that Joseph B. Cutler who also signed the same is a Physician and a resident of said HIghgate.  Said Cutler and Best are personally known to the court, and they are men whose statement
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prevailing opinion of the neighborhood in which said Carman resides, and the length of time the witnesses afsd [aforesaid] had been acquainted with the applicant. that the sd (said) Carman has been a soldier of the revolution. And the court further certify that it appears that Thomas Best is a clergyman, resident as afsd [aforesaid] and that Joseph B. Cutler who also signd the same is a Physician and a resident of sd [said] Highgate. Said Cutler & Best are personally known to the court, and they are men whos statement can be relied on with confidence. The court further state that satisfactory evidence has been [illegible] [educed?]before sd court to show that said Carman is not able to appear before sd court from bodily infirmity as will appear by the affidavit of Dart Cutler herewith annexed.

W. Bridges Judge


I John Gates clerk of the court of Probate do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceeding of the Justice before whom the declaration was taken, and the proceeding and examination had before the court of Probate in the matters of the application of John Carman for a pension. I further say that Joseph B Cutler is a Justice of the Peace.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and seal of office this 2d day of August AD 1832

John Gates Jus Register

[to the left is a seal with words encircling it: PROBATE COURT; GEORGIA DISTRICT]
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Power of attorny
case of
John Carman
[struck through: New York]
or Vermont

Oct 14 -- 1852
Ex by
T E Hassler
Present

[upside down address, from bottom up]
[black ink stamp: 5]
John Carman or heirs
Highgate
Franklin Co
Vermont
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POWER OF ATTORNEY
For ascertaining whether an increase or arrears of Pension are due the Widow or heirs of Revolutionary 
Pensioners, &c.
STATE OF Vermont
COUNTY OF Franklin-
Be it known that before me
Wm Bridges a Justice of the Peace personally appeared
John Carman
aged 65 years, who being duly cautioned and
then sworn in due form of law, states that he is the Nephew of John Carman
who was a revolutionary soldier in the State of New York
and that he died about the year 1839 and that his mother, named
Catharine Carman died on the day of 18
and that he were resident of
in the State of N. York and that he resided there
years, and that
he resided in Highgate
and that furthermore BY THESE
PRESENTS, constitutes, appoints, and fully empowers and authorizes, irrevocably and with powers of
substitution, F. E. HASSLER, of Washington City, D. C., as his true and lawful Attorney for him and in
his name and stead, to examine into, to prosecute, to demand, and to receive from the U.S. Government
and State officers his rights in all and in any manner of claim for increase or arrears of Pension or land
that may be due him as due of the heirs to the estate of
John Carman who died leaving the same undrawn, as in right of law they may be entitled.
In witness whereof he has on this 22d day September 1852,
hereunto signed his name, and affixed his seal.
Witness: Wm Bridges John Carman
Witness: Wm N Smith
Signed, sealed, acknowledged, and sworn to before me; and I further certify, that he
has always by the community been known as the nephew of John Carman
Dated on this 22
day of September 1852
William Bridges Justice of the
Peace
State of
Vermont
 District of Georgia, Vt
to wit:
I hereby certify, That
Wm Bridges
Esq.,
before whom the foregoing affidavits and acknowledgment were made, and who has thereunto subscribed his
name, was at the time of so doing, a Justice of the Peace in and for the County aforesaid, duly commissioned
and sworn, and that his signature above written is genuine.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and affixed the seal of the Probate
County Court, this
22nd day of September one thousand eight
hundred and fifty two
William Bridges Judge
of the Probate Court
for the District of Georgia Vt
applies, state the date of marriage, and date of death of her husband."
or what act pensioned, or when pension commenced, if a pensioner-and amount of pension.
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1702
[stamp] REJECTED
John Carman
Service: ___, 18
Discharged: __, 18
Application field: __, 18

List of suspended claims printed in 1852 shows cause of suspension as follows: "Suspended for further proof"

Attorney: ___
 O. ___

__ Recognized.  __ Contract
__ Cert. of Dis.  Searched for __, 18
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1702
Composite letter - in matter
Let to { H.H. Sylvester  23 Aug [?]
" Same person 1. April 1840
" Z.C. Taber 3 May 1853

Oct 1832
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John Carman
1777  9 Mo  Lt. Philip Moore
1778  2 years  Cap. Joseph Harris  OlMittie
        2 y 9 mo

John Carman, NY  New York Rolls
enlisted 5 May 1778[an do?] 17 July 1779
  2nd Regiment  Capt Pelton
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In pursuance of a law passed the 27th of April, 1784, entitled "An act for the settlement of the pay of the Levies and Militia, for their services in the late War, and for other purposes therein mentioned," the following certificates have been issued, bearing interest at five per cent per annum, viz:
[5 Column chart]
3rd July 1779    John Carman  Ens  [light L with 2 parallel lines through it] 11  2  0
21st Nov D[superscript]o[Ditto]   Ditto  [illegible]  2  18  7
18th June 1780      Ditto      Ditto   [squiggle line ]  15  10
31st July Ditto    Ditto   Ditto  [squiggle line]  12  5
31st Oct. Ditto   Jn[superscript o] Carman  Ditto  7  12  10
[large Z through rest of chart]    11.  19.  8

STATE OF NEW-YORK}
COMPTROLER'SOFFICE, Albany [handwritten] Jany 24th ___1845}
I hereby certify the above to be true extracts from Book No [handwritten] 1.4.6.Y7. now remaining in this office, and that the service for which the certificates above named were issued, were performed under the following officers, viz:
First-under Capt. [handwritten] John Drake in Col [handwritten Saml Drake Regt.
Second "  "  [handwritten] Thos. Lee  "  " [handwritten] Zephh Platt "
Third   "  "  [handwritten] Arthur Smith  "  "  [handwritten] Johanny Johnson  "
Fourth  "  "  [handwritten] Lt. John McBride  "  "  [handwritten] Lewis Dubois  "
Fifth  "  "  [handwritten] Capt. John McFoght  "  "  Ditto  "
Sixth  "  "                             "  "                       "
Seventh  "  "                             "  "                       "
Eighth  "  "                             "  "                       "
Ninth  "  "                             "  "                       "
Tenth  "  "                             "  "                       "
[signature]Philip Phelps
[illegible]  **Co**p?
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John Christler's deposition in
support of John Carman's claim

[on side]
John Gates  Reqisting [Requesting?]
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I John Christler of Highgate county of Franklin and State of Vermont testify and say that John Carman lived with my father at the time he first enlisted on Chancellors manner in the State of New York that I well recollect his siting [sitting] out at my fathers house
q Do you recollect what year Carman [en]listed
A I do not but I will recollect it was the Same year Burgoyne was taken and always understood he was in the battle of Stillwater
q how old do you think Carman is
A I do not know but he was always understood to be nine or ten years older than I am which would make him over Seventy three years of age
1 Were you at home when Carman came home out of the Army
A I was at home and not far from Sixteen or Seventeen years old
q how long was Carman gone from your fathers
A According to the best of my recollection he was gone three years or more and that I understood from Carman that he came directly from the Service there was also a Soldier a comrade of his came with him    John Christler [his x mark]
Attest W. 

State of Vermont
Franklin County Ss}  St. Albans Augt 2d 1832  Tha[n?] personally appeared before the undersignd [undersigned] authority John Christler a credible witness of lawful age who made oath that the above affidavit is true as therein contained
  Before me   William Bridges
  Judge of the Court of Probate
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State of Vermont
Georgia District}  I John Gates Junr Register of the court of Probate for sd district hereby certify that William Bridges before whom the within and foregoing affidavit for the district of georg [ia] and that aforesaid and duly empowered by the law of this state to administer oaths, and the signature subscribed is his genuine signature
 In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my name at St Albany in sd district and affixed the seal of said court this 2d day of August AD 1832
  John Gates Jus [or Jur.?]. Registering
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Hon. Peter Sax
deposition in support of John Carman claim

[on side]
August 1832
John Gates [Jr?]. Requesting
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I Peter Sax of Highgate county of Franklin & State of Vermont testify and say that I am well acquainted with John Carman of Highae afsd and have often heard the sd Carman speak of his servised [sic] in the Army of the revolution I have been personally acquainted with Sd Carman more than thirty years. About twelve or fourteen since his claim for a pension was made out before me, sent to the secretary of War, who returned for answer that Carman's service was in the state troops instead of continental did not come within the provisions of the act - I further state that Sd Carman has lived with me a considerable time first & last and I always found him honest, & I should say that he is over seventy years of age, he the Sd Carman is blind and has been for several years, and is a cripple -
  Peter Sax

State of Vermont
Franklin County Ss} Probate Court Augt 2d AD 1832 Personally appeared in open court before the undersigned authority the hon Peter Sax a credible witness who did make oath that the facts set forth in the foregoing depositions by him subscribed as therein contained are true according to his best [re?]attestion, knowledge & belief
 Sworn the day and year aforesaid at St. Albans
  Before me W. Bridges  Judge
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State of Vermont
Georgia District js
I, John Gates Immr
Register or Clark of the
court of Probate within
and for the the district aforesaid hereby certify
that William Bridges before whom the within
affidavit was taken and sworn is Judge
of Sd Court for sd district and lawfully authised
to administer oaths and the signature
subscribed is his genuine signature
In testimony whereof I have
hereunto affix the seal
of said court of Probate, and
subscribed my name at St. Albans
in sd district this 2d day of
August AD 1832
John Gates Jr Register
[seal]
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Jany 3rd '45
[illegible]
Jno Carman of Vermont applied for a pension under the act of 1818.  He failed.  He again applied under the act of June 7, '32 and if importunly see [raised symbol] any condsideration, he would have one this had a pension].  But he has untiul the time been unable to present suchproof to the Dep[illegible] as could justify [illegible] - allowing him a pension.  I have in accadance with your instruction obtained from the Compt of [illegible], proof showing that a Jno Carman was an Ensign in 1779 : and [or @] also that Jno. Carman was a private.and [or @] [illegible] from Nov 1779 [illegible Oct 1780, [illegible] about [illegible] 12, a l[illegible] that of [illegible] service.  Jno Carman alleged a service under Capt Chaffer in 1777, a period from [illegible] date of the militia acc[illegible]lyat Albany.
There can be no doubt that Jno Carman, the private, is justly entitled to a pension, the
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question [ha...?], of his right @ the amt
is submitted to your consideration
  I am Respectfully
H H Sylvester

Hon J L. Edwads [Edwards?]
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Highgate Saxe Mills Vermont
April 18" 1833

[Dear] Sir
I write you for the following the information The Heirs of John Carman, a revolutionary soldier, have received several letters of late from different individuals soliciting for Power to collect a pension in favor of the said J Carman and offering to collect the same for one half and one fourth at their own risks, now we have been advised & address you to ascertain if it is the best course for us to give the business to any one of these applicants or otherwise,
Would you please advise us,
[struck out: that one of the heirs]
Also it is understood that one of the heirs (out of ten) has given an individual power to collect the above pension for one half
Has any one heir a legal right to proceed in this way with out any consent or knowledge
of the rest, we wish to take only a wise and prudent course in the matter
Yours very respectfully
Zeno C Taber
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April 1. 1846
H. H. Sylvester.
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18
Pension Office
April [crossed out: March] 1 1845

Sir
The service of John Carman as an Ensign in 1779 and a private in 1780 as shewn by the Certificate of the Comptroller of New York, corresponds in no respect with the service of John Carman of Vermont as set forth in his declaration, and will not be allowed unless the clearest proof identifying him with that service be produced. John Carman is found on the Rolls of the 2d Regiment of the New York Line, as having served 9 mo [months] under Capt Pelton, Claimant may possibly shew that the  9 mo[word crossed out] service alleged to have been performed in Capt Chaffee company was under this officer. The service for 2 years under Col Willett is disproved by the Rolls of that regiment in this office his name not being found thereon.
It has not been shown as was required by my, letter to you of the 23 August last the John Carman is still living. this must be done before the claim be [satisfactorily?] adjusted
H. H Sylvester Esqr
Present.
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Z. C. Taber
May 3. 1833
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16
Pension Office
May 3, 1833

Sir,
In reply to your letter of the 18th ult, I have to inform you that the claim of John Carman for a pension, was presented here several years since but was not allowed for want of proof of service
The enclosed copy of a letter of the 1 April 1845, to H.H. Sylvester, Esq, will shew the objections to the admission of the claim, since which time, no additional evidence has been filed in this office
A power of attorney from John Carman, a nephew, has recently been filed in this case

Z. C. Taber, Esq
Highgate
Vt

[Rev?]