Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 9,191, Jesse Council, Va.
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Service Va. 
Council, Jesse
Number S.9.191 
carded
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Virginia 16.365

Jesse Council
of So. Ampton in the State of Va
who was a pri:- in the - commanded by Captain - of the Regt. commanded by Col: Wills in the Va line for 8 mo: 12 days.

Inscribed on the Roll of Virginia
at the rate of 28. Dollars - Cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.

Certificate of Pension issued the 2d. day August. 33
and Sent to J. R. Gray
Jerusalem C.H. Va.

Arrears tot he 4th of March 33 56.
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4 Sept ~ 14
$70~
{Revolutionary Claim, Act June 7, 1832.}
Recorded by N. Rice - Clerk,
Book E Vol. 6 Page 5

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Order to pay 6. Oct 1837.
See letter to Hon F E Rice do

Date of death
not on AB
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Declaration to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7th 1832
State of Virginia
Southampton County Sc

On this 17 day of September 1832 personally appeared in open court before the Justice of
the court of Southampton now sitting Jesse Council resident of said County and state aged seventy one years & seven months who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of an act of Congress passed June 7th, 1832

That he entered the service of the state of Virginia under the following named officers and served as herein stated: I was enrolled in the Militia in the County of Southampton at or about sixteen years old and was drafted, into service the first muster I was ever at which was in the date of 1777-

I went into service under Capt Edmond Major [Samuel] Duval, and Colo. [Benjamin] Blunt, and marched through the counties of Isle of wight [Virginia] & Nansemond [a Virginia county until 1972] to Meads Mill & served six weeks. 

I then served a towr under Capt Elias Herring in the same Counties, I then served a touer under Capt Edmd Coskey and one under Capt Baykin, and one under Capt Lewis. and then under Capt Whitehead
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and serv under Capt Myrick and others that I cannot recollect. I served under Major Declaman  Colo. Book Wills  Colo. [Thomas] Gaskins and General [Peter] Muhlenberg.

I served at Petersburg city point - swans point [Swanns Point, James River, Surry County]-, Cobbham [Cobhams]at the Rocks on James River,  smithfield [Virginia]: Murdough old field, Jerico Pourtsmouth [Jericho Portsmouth, Virginia] sleepy hole ferry [Suffolk].

I served on the north side of James River in the counties of Warwick, York, James City, and at york Town and old James Town one or two towers [tours] I served three months, I was never in any engagement, and I have no living witness that recollects of serving with.

I was discharged from the service about two weeks before the British Army surrendered at york Town. he was discharged and returned home to Southampton [Virginia] as to the different times when he entered the service the length of the tours of duty a many of the officers names, the lapse of time, and the effects of old age tis impossible for him to recollect 

he never had a written discharge as it was not customary for the Militia in those days to receive them- that he resided in the county of Southampton, and always entered the service from that county, and was drafted into service, and he thinks and believes that he could not of have served less than two years from the number of times he was called on to serve, 
That he has no documentary evidence , nor is there any person now living that he can prove his services by -

He hereby relinquishes every claim to a pension annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension Roll of the agency of any state or territory.
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Sworn and Subscribed the day and year aforesaid
Jesse Council [his mark] X

Mr Simon Murfee a clergyman residing in the county of Southampton and Benj Griffin residing in the same hereby certify that we are well acquainted  with Jesse Council who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be [illegible] one years of age; 

that he is reputed and believed in his neighborhood where he residing to have been a soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that opinion
Sworn & subscribed the day and year aforesaid 
S Murfee
Benj Griffin 

And the said court do hereby declare their opinion, after the investigation of the matter, and after putting the interrogations prescribed by the War department, that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier, and served as he states

And the court further Certifies that it appears there that Simon Murfee who has signed the preceding certificate is a Clergyman resident in the said County of Southampton and the Benjamin Griffin who has also signed the Same is a resident of the said County and is a credible person, and that their Statement is entitled to credit-
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I James Rochelle Clerk of the County Court of Southampton to hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of Jesse Council for a Pension

In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my
hand and affixed the Seal of the said Court this
18th day of September 1832.

James Rochelle C.S.C.

Jesse Council

The amended affidavit 4 - 2 -16 of Jesse Council 

 The declarant  cannot state with more  particularly the periods of the war at which he served from age & infirmity   he served  as a private in the service and states that he was
born in 1760 the 14th of January and his age is recorded in a  church Bible now in possession of Capt Benjamin Griffin and possesses the certificate of Elias Love as to the probability of his service   he is not able to  obtain any portion affidavit  to sustain his claim 

Jesse (his X mark) Council

Sworn to an subscribed this this 12th of
June 1832  at (?) above 
Benj Griffin  J P

This day Elias Love   appeared before me & made oath that Jesse Council  mustered in the same militia company with him during the Revolution and although he not recollect serving a tour  of duty with the said
Council he has no doubt that he was in the service as he knows that he was old enough and I the said Benjamin Griffin  Justice as aforesaid certify that the said Elias Love  is respectable man & entitled to full credit

Elias (his X mark) Love

Benj Griffin J.P.(hand drawn seal)
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14,216
Jesse Council
Va. Rev
Admt as private 
8 mo. & 12 day
$28

5.14
Inst 1.2.
May 1st '33
P. 366
JR Gray 
Jas Rochele
Clk Southampton Co.
Germantown Va.
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BRIEF in the case of Jesse Council
County of Southampton in the State of Virginia
(Act 7th June 1832).

1. Was the declaration made before a Court or 
    a Judge?   In open Court.

2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the 
    applicant is disabled by an infirmity?

3. How old is he?   71 years and 7 months

4. State his service, as directed in the form 
    annexed. 
    Period - Drafted in 1777
    Duration of service - (illegible years, months)
        14 days. 
        He thinks and believes he could not have 
        served less than two years. 
    Rank As a - Private
    Names of General and Field Officers under 
    whom he served.       
    Capt. Edmond, Major DuVal, Capt. 
    Herring, Capt. Boykins, Col. Wills. 
 
  5. In what battles was he engaged?

  6. Where did he reside when he entered the 
      service?  Southampton, Va. 

  7. Is his statement supported by living 
      witnesses, by documentary proof, by 
      traditionary evidence, by incidental 
      evidence,
      or by the rolls?    Traditionary 

   8. Are the papers defective as to form or 
       authentication?  and if so, in what respect?
       Correct. 

I certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned. 

John L. Watson     Examining Clerk
18th Febry (February) 1833
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November 1, 1933
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BA-J/EEL
Jesse Council-S. 9191

Miss George Hoge
Bon Air
Tennessee

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your letter in which you request the record of Jesse Council, of Southampton County, Virginia, a soldier of the Revolutionary War; also that of Robert Love, who resided in Knox County, Tennessee, after the Revolution and died there about 1838.

Revolutionary War data furnished by this office are obtained from claims made in the United States for pension and bounty land based upon military service of soldiers of that war.

With the data furnished by you it has not been possible to make a proper search of the records for Robert Love; as a means of identifying the particular record in which you are interested, should it be on file, in addition to the data furnished by you it is essential that you give the place of residence at time of enlistment, the state from which he served, approximate date of birth and the name of his widow. Upon receipt of this information, a further search of the records will be made in your behalf. You are furnished herein the history of Jesse Council, the only soldier of that name or similar spelling, found on the Revolutionary War records of this office, the data for which were obtained from the papers on file in his claim for pension, S.9191, based upon his military service in that war.

Jesse Council was born January 14, 1760, place not stated.

While residing in Southampton County, Virginia, he was enrolled in the militia of that county, and at his first muster in 1777, was called into service, and from that time until about two weeks before the surrender at Yorktown, he served at various times on short tours, about two years in all, as a private in the Virginia Troops under Captains Edmond, Elias Herring, Edm. Cosby, Boykin Lewis, Whitehead Myrick, Colonels Blunt, Book Wills and Gaskins.
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Jesse Council was allowed pension on his application executed September 17, 1832, while residing in Southampton County, Virginia.

There are no data as to soldier's family in the papers in the pension claim.

In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension, the name and address of person paid and possibly the date of death of the Revolutionary War pensioner, Jesse Council (S.9191), you should address the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city, citing the following data:

Jesse Council, Certificate No. 16365, issued August 2, 1833, rate $22 per annum, commenced March 4, 1831, Act of June 7, 1832, Virginia Agency.
Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Assistant to Administrator.
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Bon Air, Tenn.
Oct. 26, 1933.

Bureau of Pensions
Washington, D.C.
Sirs:
Do you have any record of Jesse Council [pencil note: (or ~ Counsil or Counsel] from Southampton Co. Va or Wilkes Co. N.C.?
Or do you have a record of any Council of N. C. receiving pension of services in the revolutionary war? I would like the names of wife and children and any other information that you have.
Do your records show that a pension was received by the Robt. Love who lived at Lovesville in Knox Co. Tenn. after the revolution and died there about 1838? If so, what information can you give me about him. Would you please give me the Loves on your list (Tennessee) if there are not too many.
Yours truly
Miss Georgia Hoge.

[Stamp]
RECEIVED
OCT 8 1935
MAIL SUB-DIV.
READER #2
VETS ADM.
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[left hand page]
9191
INVALID. Rev War
File no. 9191
Jesse Council
Pri Rev War
Act: June 7th "32
Index:- Vol. 1st, Page 75
[Arrangement of 1870.]

[right hand page]
1933 Nov 1 Hist. to 
Miss Georgia Hage ELL
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This day William Grey personally appeared before me and made oath that he was in the service with one Jesse Council at Petersburg during the Revolution and believes that The within named applicant is the same man given under my hand & seal this 12th of June 1833
William Gray (seal)
Benj Griffin
I hereby certify that William Grey is a man of respectability & entitled to full credit given under my hand & seal This 12th of June 1833
Benj Griffin J.P. {seal}
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State of Virginia, Southampton County to wit
I James Rochelle Clerk of the County Court of Southampton in the State of Virginia do hereby certify that Benjamin Griffin Esq. who hath Signed the foregoing certificate is and was at the time the said Certificate was dated an acting Justice of the Peace in and for the County and State aforesaid duly Commissioned and qualified according to the Constitution and Law of Said State.
In Testimony whereof I have hereto set my hand and affixed the seal of my office the 27th day of June 1833
James Rochelle CC
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Jess Council
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of Jesse Council which require further proof or explanation.

I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? yes

II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? yes

III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for him not doing so? 

IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? In an obscure manner

V. *Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amount of pension he is entitled? No

VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations?

VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? yes

VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? yes

IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? yes

X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? yes
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XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? yes

XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? 

XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? yes

XIV. [notation sign 1]If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? No
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? 
Has the proper officer certified the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? 

XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? 

XVI. [notation sign 2]Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes

XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? No, the 1st 2nd 2nd
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EXPLANATORY NOTES.

*QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words:
"Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For ___________ year _____________ months, and _________ days, I served as a ______________ For _____________ months and ___________ days, I served as a _______________; and for such service I claim a pension.
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase "about three or four months" is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shown under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit.
[notation sign 1]QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
[notation sign 2]QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate.
[symbol of pointing finger]In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.
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Honb B. L. Edwards 
Commsr of Pensions
Washington City.

Oct 5
Im al Mr. Evans
Hon Fra. E Rives
HR
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H. R. Octr. 5th. 1837

Dear Sir:
Inclosed you will find a letter &c, about pensions for two of my Constituents. Please to inform me what is the difficulty with who they are beset, and remove the barrier, if you Can, that is between them and the money. -
I have the honor to be
very respectfully
your obt servt
Francis. E Rives
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Jerusalem Va
Free
Oct 2nd 
Honble
Francis E. Rieves
Member of Congress
Washington City
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Southampton Oct 2, 1837
My Dear Sir
I herewith enclose you two powers of attoney to Wit. Jesse Counsel and Henry Loves two old revolutionary soldiers of my county, andwho are very poor and needy, owing to informalities in their former powers of along the Pension agent in Pulmond has refused to pay their premises, these facts has come under my observation, Mr Robinson the pension Agent Richmond, informed me that theway to get things righted was to make out power of attory, for and them to the Commissioner of Pensions Washington City who would direct him to pay them the gon then be so good as to wait on the commissioner of Pensions, and get him to order the payment of them at the pension agency in the City of Richmond in so doing you will confer a favor on two Revolutionary soldiers, who march contributed to our glacious independance and whose will soon be to another world, when they will receive the great reward for their
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patriotic services have, I flatter myself that my exertion will will be used by you to accomplish so desirable an object.

I am [illegible] with great respect
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Edwd.

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Edw S. Butler