Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 23244, Heinrich Grem, New York
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New York    Grem, Heinrich,       23244
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24.198
New York
Heinrich Grem
Herkimer Co. in the State of New York
He was a private in the camp commanded 
by Captain Frank of the Regt. commanded 
by Col. Willett in the New York
line for 18 months.

Inscribed on the Roll of New York
at the rate of 60 Dollars 00 Cents per annum
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.

Certificate of Pension issued the 8 of Nov
WBB and settle G.H. Fuler
        1833            Little Falls

Arrears to the 4th day of Sep. 1833      $150
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4M:34           30
                                                              $180
                                Revolutionary claim
                                Act June 7, 1832
Recorded by    G. Castiles       Clerk
Book E       Vol. 4       Page 102
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At a Court of Common Pleas held at the courthouse in
Herkimer in & for the county of Herkimer before 
                                       Michael Hoffman
                                        John Mahon &
                                        Augustus Beardren
                           Judges of the County Courts
                             of said County on Saturday
the thirteenth day of October 1832----
                                                             The Court having
been continued through the whole Term allowed to herof
holden according to Law, and being about to adjourn
without day caused the applicants for Pensions under
the Act of Congress of Jun 7th 1832 to be called and
Henry Grim ----
                   among others appeared and was ready 
to make his declaration and proofs in that behalf and
the court caused an entry to be made therof for the benefit
of such applicants and directed the Clerk to certify
that the court did not proceed to hear the same by
reason of the Legal End of the Term of the said court.

I Julius C Nelson Clerk of The Court of Common Pleas
for the County of Herkimer, do certify that the forgoing
is a true copy of an original Order of said Court.
                          In Witness whereof I have herunto
                         set my hand and Seal of Office
                         this 18th day of October 1832
                                             Julius C. Nelson   Clerk
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State of New York
Herkimer County: Christian Bellinger of
the Town of Danube in the county afore-
said being duly sworn before the Court of Common
Pleas of the said county, doth depose & say that he
was a soldier of the revolutionary war, and is
now sixty eight years of age, and was acquain-
ted with Henry Grim in the time of the Revolu-
tionary war, and knows that said Grim was
a soldier in the said Revolutionary War and
in the year 1780 he and said Grim served together 
in Captain Putman's Company, but Grim was 
in that company before deponent. It was a com-
pany of nine month's muster of New York troops --
That when deponent joined the company it was at 
Klocks stone house near Fort Plain said Grim
was in said company, they marched up the 
river and stopped at Fort McKinnen & lay there several
days, then started for Fort Stanwix, and on the 
way had a skirmish with some indians & killed
one or two of them-Grim was there with the
company and arrived at Fort Stanwix arrived
there just after harvest and remained there on
duty till late in the fall, a little before Christ-
mas, and then were ordered to Schenectady to
which place they went & were there dismissed
& Grim was in the service all this time and did
duty. Their duty at Fort Stanwix was to guard
said Fort and to assist in repairing the same
and said Grim served out the nine months  
as deponent verily believes and further deponent
saith not
sworn to in open court this
day of October A.D.  1832
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State of New York
Herkimer County:    Richard Casler, of the Town of Little Falls in
said county and state being duly sworn before Michael Hoffman
Court of Common Pleas of the said county, doth depose & say
he was a soldier of the revolution and is now sixty five
years of age and was acquainted with Henry Grim, now
residing in the Town of Warren in said county in the time
of the revolutionary war, and said that Grim was
a soldier in said War and was in the same company
with deponent, and he verily believes said Henry Grim is
sixty two years of age and he records said Grim was in the service the year before deponent was enrolled, but does
not know what service that year and he believes it
was in the year 1780. The next year 1781 deponent said Grim
were in the same company which Captain Ellsworth
commanded, one Bloodgood was lieutenant , & the name of
 the ensign was Shaw and that he then resided in German
Flatts. The said Grim came up with many others from Albany
and joined deponents company at or near Fort Herkimer, they
 to the ----------that he recollects said Grim with others
went on a recruiting party to Steel Creek about three
miles from Fort Herkimer or Fort Dayton and that Captain Ellsworth
was killed there and deponent saw the grave where the Captain &
one from German were buried and he recollects that
Grim was wounded at that place
deponent who saith that said Grim with deponent
went to Fort Norise & said Grim did duty there as a guard
& scout, that deponent knows said Grim was in the battle at
Johnstown under Colonel Willet, that they overtook Colonel Willi,at Caughenouya.
That said Grim in the fall of 1781 went down to
Fort Plain and remained a month, when he returned.
saith that from what he known of the service of said Grim in the 
Revolutionary War he believes said Grim served more than
eighteen months during said war, deponent has been well
acquainted with said Grim since the revolution, and knows
that said Grim has always been found a good character for
truth and veracity in the neighborhood where he resided.
& that he resided in the now town of Little Falls where he first
entered the service of the revolution. -- Richard Caslar
Sworn and subscribed
October 18, 1832 before me
Richard Hoffman
Judge of Herkimer County
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Henry Grim -- No 47
Henry Grim

2 terms of 9 mo. Ea.

Private 18 months
Capt Putnam Col
Harper


Admd


to George H. Felton
Little Falls
Herkimer Co.
N York
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State of New York
Herkimer County:  On this eighteenth day of October in the
year one thousand eight hundred and thirty two, 
personally appeared before Michael
Hoffman Fort Judge
The Court of Common Pleas of the said County of
Herkimer, Henry Grim, a resident of
the Town of Warren in the county of Herkimer and 
state of New York, aged seventy years, who being
first duly sworn according to law doth, on his oath
make the following declaration in order to obtain
the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June 7,
1832.      I, the said Henry Grim
originally entered the service of the United States under
the following named officers and served as herein
stated.          I was drafted into a company com-
manded by Captain Putman, out of a company of
militia commanded by Captain Frank, Reedable
Putman, a relation of Capt. Putman was his Lieutenant
That the Regiment was commanded by Colonel Har-
per.  I was drafted as above mentioned in the 
month of April (the day he cannot possibly state) in
the year one thousand seven hundred and eighty.
At the time of said drafting I resided in
the German Flatts, in the then County of Tyrone (now
County of Herkimer in said state of New York.
My company assembled the first time at Fort Herkimer
on the Mohawk River in German Flatts. I was
drafted for nine months according to my best recollection
& belief. My company was chiefly employed during
this nine months, in standing guard & marching, as they
 were commanded & as the exequence of the times and
the operations of the Indians & the enemy demanded.
from Fort Herkimer to Fort Dayton, to Stone Arabia to 
Forts Plank, Stanwix and Schuyler. That 
during this time I was sometimes sent out on scouting 
expeditions and to guard supplies sent to Fort Stanwix,
but was not engaged in any battles.
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Though I had skirmishes with the Indians
I endured this hardship incident to the service
during this time. That at the expiration of my time, my
company was disbanded & returned home, but did
not nor did any of my Company to my knowledge,
any dorettus discharge from service. During that time
I listed again for nine months in the month 
of April in the year one thousand sevenectadyen hundred and
eighty one at Albany in the state of New York to which
place my brother-in-law had repaired for that purpose.
I then enlisted in a company commanded by Captain
Ellsworth, Lieutenant Bloodgood attached to the re-
giment commanded by Colonel Marinus Willet That
I cannot state the day of the month when I
never having kept any written memorandum
 thereof. That after my enlistment,
but I cannot fix the exact time my company
including myself moved from Albany to Schenectady
and thence in battle to Fort Herkimer and Fort
Dayton to garrison those posts. About two months
after my arrival at those places my captain and
about eighteen or twenty others including myself went
out on a scouting party towards Fort Schuyler to a
place called Steels Creek about three miles from
Fort  that ??? were discovered by a party
of Indians, a skirmish ensued in which
Captain Ellsworth, sergeant Montgomery and one private
were killed. There had formerly been a settlement
at Steels Creek, but previous to the time that Grim &
his associates were there it had been laid in ashes 
by the Indians. That I (Grim) was wounded in
this skirmish by a rifle ball in my side. That the 
party returned to Fort Dayton, but next day a party
 was sent back to bring in the bodies of the deceased
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which were interred in the burial ground of the
Old Stone Church near Fort Herkimer. I believe
a Captain Henry was charged with the command
of the company to which I belonged, but of this
I will not be positive. I went home with my wound
 and healed & joined again on its march to Fort 
Dayton.I (Grim) with others of my company were dis-
patched to Fort Hous which stood at the junction of
the East Canada Creek &Mohawk River.
That I recollect one Richard Casler was of
their number. That they remained for a short
time only at that place, and were called to johns-
town I think about the month of September in the
night time to join Colonel Willet. That they met
Willet at Caughnewaga. I (Grim) was in the
battle fought soon afterwards at or near Johnson Hall
in Johnstown, now Montgomery County, between the
-Indians & tories & I think some British soldiers, com-
manded by one Butler & Major Ross and the militia
volunterrs under Col. Willet. The Indians & tories over-
powered the Americans and drove them from the bush
with a field force. The Indians & tories were much superior
in numbers to Col. Willets force which field was retaken
the same day by the Americans. That he (Grim) remained at
Johnstown only about 2 or 3  days when he started for Fort
Herkimer to go in chase of the Indians & tories & endeavor
to overtake & get ahead of them.
Col. Willet also with his regiment & some militia came
on for the same purpose.  That the Indians & tories were
 & one Walter Butler was killed but that he 
(Grim) was not present at this event, he having been
stationed at Fort Herkimer when they got to that place
in this chase, to guard that post with several
others. From Fort Herkimer he was  ordered to Fort
Plain, late in the fall of 1781 to do duty there, where
 he remained about three weeks and was then ordered
back to Fort Herkimer. After remaining at this fort for a
 time, as a guard, he was dismissed with the rest of
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My company I believe in the month of December or early
 in January and returned to my mothers, but I never
received any written discharge from service.
I, the said Henry Grim also further state that
I have no record of my age which I believe to be correct
it having always been in my family, and received as a true
and correct record. That I resided in the now Town of
Little Falls when I entered the revolutionary
service, but after the war, I removed
to the place of my present residence & have ever since resided there in the Town of Warren. That I am acquainted
with Richard Casler and Christian Bellinger now residing
in my neighborhood, who can testify to my character for
veracity & their belief in my services as a soldier of the
revolution. And I, the said Henry Grim also further declare
that I was born in the year of our Lord one
thousand seven hundred and sixty two, in the now
Town of Warren in the now County of Herkimer and
State of New York.
That when I entered the service I resided in the now town
of Little Falls in Herkimer County, but after the war I
removed to the Town of Warren where he has ever since
and does now reside.
That he belonged to the militia when he entered the service  & when he went on service he was drafted out of his 
company & served his tour & returned and afterward
enlisted at Albany as above.
That the first year Colonel Harper commanded the 
regiment & next year Colonel Willet. That he never
received any discharge from the  army in writing.
That he is acquainted with Richard Casler & Nicholas
Shoemaker to whom he is at present known & who can
testify as to his character for his veracity and their
belief as to his service as a soldier of the revolution.
That there is no clergyman to whom he is known  or
who resides him his neighborhood, who can testify to
his character for veracity or his service in the revolution.
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I, the said Henry Grim, hereby relinquish every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the [illegible], and declare my name is not on the pension roll of the agency of the agency of any state.
Sworn and subscribed the
day and year aforesaid

Heinrich Grem

Sworn and subscribed 
Oct 18, 2832 before me
Michael Hoffmann
First Judge of Herkimer Couny

 We Richard Casler now living in the town of Little Falls
and Nicholas Shoemaker of Warren in the County of 
Herkimer hereby certify that we are well acquainted 
with Henry Grim who has subscribed an sworn to the above declaration, that we believe him to be sixty two
years of age, and that he is reputed and believed in the Neighborhood where he resides to have been a 
soldier of the revolution and that we concur in that
opinion.

sworn and subscribed the day
& year aforesaid
Nicholas Shoemaker
Richard Casler
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          And the said court do hereby declare
 their opinions after the investigation of the matter and
 after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above named applicant was a
 revolutionary soldier and served as he states. And
the court further certifies that it appears to them
that Richard Casler who has signed the preceeding
certificate is resident in the Town of 
Little Falls and in the County of Herkimer and that
the said Christian Bellinger who has signed the same
is a resident in the town of Danube in said county and
are credible persons and that their statement is
entitled to credit.



I, Julius C Nelson Esquire, Clerk of the Court of
Common Pleas of the County of Herkimer and State
of New York, do hereby certify that the foregoing
contains the original proceedings of the said
court in the matter of the application of Henry
Grim for a pension.
The testimony wherof I have set my
hand & the seal of the said Court of the said County
of Herkimer. this        day of October in the
year one thousand eight hundred & thirty two.
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I Michael Hoffman first Judge of Herkimer County in the State of New York, do certify that the above applicant Henry Grim is her land persons named as first applicant in the army order of the Council of Harrimon Ellias Officer of county certified by this clerk under the seal of verfied court that I have in their perspective Corporal oath examined the above named Henry Grim, Nicholas Shoemaker, and Richard Casler offically to the several scatters contained in the affidavit certificate and declaration by them severally subverted and sworn before me above and have also experienced deceased Henry Grim or the interregoratori'cs by the war department: That i know the Henry Grim, Nicholas Shoemaker and Richard Carter to be persons of good character for truth and veracity and outside their ceremony to be outfitted to full faith and credit: and further that this my opinion from this investigation and testimony that said Henry Grim did serve in the Revolutionary war for the periods and in the manner set forth and stated in his last declaration and what the examiner and interlineations therein and unfaced affidavits were made in my hand writing are the sworn examination aforesaid to conform there to the truth as detailed by the  person making such affidavit declaration  or certificate. 
Michael Hoffman 
First Judge of Herkimer County N. York
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State off New York
Herkimer County
Clerks Office
I, Julius C. Nelson Clerk of the said County
do certify that Michael Hoffman Esq. before
whom the foregoing Affidavits purports to
foregoing declaration purports to have been
made, was on the day of this date First
Judge of the Court of Common Pleas in and
 for said County, commissioned and sworn.
and duly qualified to act as such Judge. And
that I am acquainted with the handwriting of 
the said Judge, and verily believe his name
subscribed to the said Affidavit is his proper
handwriting and signature.
Witness my hand and Seal of
Office this 27th day of October 1832
Julius C. Nelson Clerk
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Heinrich Grim 
S. 23244
BA-J/AWF

Mildred R. Staunton 
30 Crary Avenue 
Mt. Vernon, New York

Dear Madam:
The data concerning Heinrich Grim furnished herein were obtained from papers on file in pension claim S. 23244, based on his military service in the War of the Revolution. 

Heinrich Grem (also referred to as Henry Grim) was born in the year 1762 in Warren, Herkimer County, New York. the names of his parents were not given, his mother was living during the Revolution. 

While residing in German Flats (later Little Falls), then Tryon County, later Herkimer County New York, Heinrich Grem enlisted sometime in April, 1780, served nine months as a private in Captain Putnam's company in Colonel Harper's New York regiment, during this service he was in an engagement with the Indians, near Fort Stanwix, was stationed at Fort Stanwix, Herkimer, Plank, and Schuyler, did much scouting in pursuit of Indians. He enlisted in Albany, New York, sometime in April, 1781 and served in Captain Elsworth's company in Colonel Marinus Willet's regiment, and while on a scouting party about three miles from Fort Herkimer, was wounded by a rifle ball in his side, his captain was killed at this time; when his wound had healed he returned to the same regiment, and was in the battle of Johnstown, and was discharged at Fort Herkimer in the month of September, 1781. 

He was allowed pension on his application
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executed October 18, 1832, at which time he was a resident of Warren, New York. 

The papers on file in this claim contain no reference to wife or children of the soldier Heinrich Grem. His brother-in-law was referred to as having served in the Revolution, his name was not stated. 

In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension, name and address of person paid, and possibly the date of death of this pensioner, you should apply to The Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, Washington, D.C., and furnish the following data:

Heinrich Grem
Certificate # 24198
Issued November 9, 1832
Rate $60.00 per annum
Commenced March 4, 1831
Act of June 7, 1832
New York Agency. 

Very truly yours
A.D. Hiller
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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April 29, 1938

[Handwritten, possible scribble, possibly "Aw" or "Ow"]

[Hand-drawn arrow points to, and underlined]Heinrich Grem 
[Underlined]S. 23244
Henry Gramps
W. 16273
BA-J/AWF

Mildred R. Staunton
30 Crary Avenue
Mt. Vernon, New York

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War records of Henry Crim, Jacob Crim, Paul Crim, Adam Crim, Joseph Meyer, John Myer, Michael Myer, Frederick Myer, Jacob Moyer, and Laurenz Frank, all of whom service in the New York troops.

There are no claims for pension on file based upon service in the Revolutionary War of a Jacob, Paul or Adam Crim or Laurenz Frank. No Meyer records could be identified as the name is borne so exten-sively on the pension rolls.

The records of Heinrich Grem and Henry Gramps, the surname variously spelled, both of whom served in the New York tropps, are furnished you herewith.

Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator

[Handwritten] See this letter [scribble]
Henry Gramps W16273 [/Handwritten]
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July 21, 1937
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

BA-J/MCS
Jacob Crim,W.O.27354
Heinrich Grem, S.23244

Mrs. Harold l. Griffith
10 Fourth Street
Ilion, New York

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your letter requesting information relative to your ancestors who may have rendered military service, Adam, George, Henry, Jacob and Paul Crim or Grimm.

As you name no wars in which your ancestors served and furnish no dates by which to identify any particular record, it is assumed that they may have served in the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812. These records have been searched and Heinrich Grem and Jacob Crim are the only [handwritten]ones[/handwritten] from the list given above, who served from New York State, that are on file in the Revolutionary and War of 1812 records of this office.

The records of Heinrich Grem and Jacob Crim are furnished you herewith.

Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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July 22, 1937

Heinrich Grem
S. 23244
DA-J/AWF

Mrs. Harold I. Griff["a" scribbled out]th
10 Fourth Street
Ilion, New York

Dear Madam:
The data concerning Heinrich Grem furnished herein were obtained from papers on file in pension claim, S. 23244, based upon his service in the War of the Revolution.

Heinrich Grem (also referred to as Henry Grim) was born in the year 1762 in Warren, Herkimer County, New York. The names of his parents were not given, his mother was living during the Revolution.

While residing in German Flats (later Little Falls), then Tryon County, later Herkimer County, New York, Heinrich Grem enlisted sometime in April, 1780 and served nine months as a private in Captain Putnam's company in Colonel Harper's New York regiment, during the service he was in an engagement with the Indians, near Fort Stanwix, was stationed at Forts Stanwix, Herkimer, Plank, and Schuyler, and did much scouting in pursuit of Indians. He enlisted in Albany, New York, sometime in April, 1781 and served in Captain Elsworth's company in Colonel Marinus Willet's regiment, while on a scouting party about three miles from Fort Herkimer, was wounded by a rifle ball in the side, his captain was killed at this time, when the wound had healed he returned to the same regiment, and was in the battle of Johnstown, and was discharged at Fort Herkimer in the month of September, 1781.

He was allowed pension on his application exe-
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cuted October 18, 1832, then a resident of Warren, New York.

The papers on file in this claim contain no reference to wife or children of the soldier, Hein-rich Grem. His brother-in-law was referred to as having served in the Revolution, his name was not stated. 

In order to obtain the date of last payment of pension, name and address of person paid, and possibly the date of death of this pensioner, you should apply to The Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, Washington, D. C., and furnish the following data:

Heinrich Grem
Certificate # 24198
Issued November 8, 1833
Rate $60.00 per annum
Commenced March 4, 1831
Act of June 7, 1832
New York Agency.

Very truly yours
A. D. Hiller
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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[Handwritten vertically on left margin] 
Letter addressed to her, @ W [illegible]. See last letter
in John Bellinger W16420 also read letter [illegible]
W 16415
[/Handwritten]

Heinrich Grem
S. 23244

The data which follow were obtained from the papers on file in pension claim,S.23244, based upon the Revolu-tionary War service of Heinrich Grem, sometimes referred to as Henry Grim.

He was born in 1762 in Warren, Herkimer County, New York.

While residing in German Flats (later Little Falls) then Tryon County, later Herkimer County, New York, he enlisted sometime in April, 1780 and served nine months in Captain Putnam's company in Colonel Harper's New York regiment, and was in a skirmish with the Indians, near Fort Stanwix. He enlisted in Albany, New York, sometime in April, 1781 and served in Captain Elsworth's company in Colonel Marinus Willett's regiment, while on a scouting party about three miles from Fort Herkimer, he was wounded by a rifle ball in his side, his captain was killed at this time; after his wound had healed he returned to the same regiment, and was in the battle of Johnstown, length of service nine months.

He was allowed pension on his application executed October 18, 1832, then a resident of Warren, New York.

His mother, whose name is not given, was living during the Revolution.

There is no reference to wife and children.

Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Assistant to Administrator
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Mrs. Harold I. Griffith
10 Fourth Street
Ilion, N. Y. 

[stamped]
Received
Jul 8 1937
Mail sub div.
Vets. Adm. 15
Header

Veterans’ Administration 
Wash. D. C.
Gentlemen: -
I am looking up the Crim or Grimm family of which I am a descendant, but I am having difficulty in establishing the line. Our DaR agent told me that you might have records which would help me. If you have any of these names, I should appreciate it it very much to hear from you. 
I will set down the line as I have it so far.
Over
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Ethel Griffith , daughter of 
Arthessa Crim Thomas , daughter of
George Crim + Sarah Young Crim ; son of 
Adam H. Crim + Catherine Garner Crim :
Rev [smudged word]
18122
Adam , sometimes called , “Black Ad “ was a son of one of Paul Grimm’s 3 sons Adam , Henry or Jacob .
I am led to believe it was Henry as he doesn’t fit with  the records of the other two . Henry , married 5 wives , had 19 children . 
Have you any records of pensions that would shed any light on these names?
Thanking you
I am ,
Sincerely [ spelled Sincerly ]
Ethel Griffith
P.S. The family all lived near Jordonville [Jordanville] N.Y. and were in the Adrustown massacre .
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Revolution 
23244,
INVALID.

File No. 23.244
Heinrich Grem

Lw Rev War

Act: June 7 82
Index:-Vol. 2, Page 161
[Arrangement of 1870.]

[Handwritten note] 
1937- July 22- list to Mrs. Harold I. Griffith [illegible]
1938- Apr. 29- list to Mildred R. Staunton. See her letter in Henry Gramps W. 16273 [illegible]
1932- May 24- List to Mrs e. W[illegible] See her letter in John Bellinger W. 16427 [illegible]
[/Handwritten]