Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W 358, John Grider, N.C.
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N.C.             Grider, John        Number W358
                                Isabel      B.L.Wt. 28529-160-55
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Jackson  [illegible] 41
[crossed out- Kentucky]

John Grider Sen
Columbia in the State of Kentucky
who was a private in the company commanded
by Captain Whitson of the regt commanded
------- in the  [crossed out - Kentucky] N.C.
[illegible] for 2 years

Inscribed on the Roll of Kentucky
the rate of 80 Dollars ----- cents per annum,
commence on the 4th day of March , 1831

Certificate of Pension issued the 11 day of April
1833 and sent to Wm Owens
Columbia Kentucky

Arrears to the 4th of March                  160.00
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4 Sept       40.00
                                                                 $200.00

{Revolutionary Claim Act June 7, 1832}

Recorded by Daniel Boyd Clerk
Book E Vol 7 page 10
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[first line illegible]
[illegible] May 19 ' 36

Tra- Ci  Jany 14 ' 39

[illegible] to Jackson  [illegible]
fr 4 September ' 35- [illegible] 30 ' 37

Lee Celta to  M Bullock June 20
1837
[illegible] 19 Sept 1837

Order to pay 5 Dec 1837
Letter to Hon C. H Williams
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Isabel Grider widow
John Grider  PVT
Pension

[illegible script diagonally on page]

Revolution War

Tenn [illegible] 48 6284
A W: 16 [illegible [illegible]
Boynton

[illegible] Talbot and Jayne
Spring Green
Tenn
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[Illegible]  Nov 26 '56




Vol. G. 132
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[very top illegible]

Tennessee Jacks
Isabel Grider
widow of John Grider
who served in the Revoltionary
N.Ca
war, as a private

Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 
80 Dollars  00 
Cents per annum, to commence on 
the 4th day of March, 1848

Certificate of Pension issued the
17th day of August [copy cut off]
and sent to 
George W. Talbot
Spring Creek
Ten.

Recorded on Roll of Pensioners under act
February 2, 1848, Page 290 Vol 3.
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[first line illegible]
G.W. Talbot s. Creek
[illegible] 25 Aug 1854
G.W.Talbon Aug 31 1854
Same, Sep 6 1854


Reg T M 65- 150875
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State of Kentucky
Adair County Court January Term 1833
On this 7th day of January 1833 personally appeared in open court before the worshipful Justices of the County Court in and for the county of Adair State of Kentucky  now sitting John Grider [illegible] a resident of the county of Adair [illegible] and state of Kentucky age 97 years the 13th of July past.  Who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832. That he entered the service of the United States of America in the  county of Berk in the state of North Carolina  in the month of March 1778 as a volunteer private malitiaman [militiaman] under Capt Thomas Whitson Leuitenant [Lieutenant] John Morgan does not recollect the name of his ensign  he was immediately marched  to Davidsons station on the frontier of North Carolina  he remained there a short time when hew as marched on toward the cherokee nation having joined some other troops he had marched but a few days when he was taken sick and returned  with some others  back to the fort where he remained untill [until] he regained his health and again resumed his duty as a soldier his business being to guard the fort and act as an Indian Spie [spy], in which character he continued untill[ until] his officers and company returned from the cherokee nation
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and still continued there spring scouting and guarding the fort untill [until] a few days after Chrismas [Christmas] when he was verbally discharged and returned home having served over nine months, he states that early in March 1779 he again volunteered as an Indian Spie [spy] under Capt Forgey and entered the service of the United States immediately in that character and was marched on to the said Davidson [illegible] when his [illegible] as a spie [spy]  was assigned to him by his Capt and he faithfully discharged the duties assigned him untill [until] after Chrismas [Christmas] when he was again honorably discharged by his Capt and returned home having in the last mentioned tour served more than nine months he again entered the service as a volunteer  in the Character of an Indian Spie [spy] and in Capt Daniel Smith Leut Brown the month of February 1780 and was marched on to the Station states and there continued to discharge his duty as spie [spy] and guarding [illegible] and other forts untill [until] after Chrismas [Christmas] when he was again discharged making an actual service in this of three tours of upward of two years and four months he states that he too no written discharge for
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any of his services nor has he any documentary evidence of his service but he can prove at least most of his service by Volentine Grider Samuel Smith and Rachel Smith of Cumberland County Ky, who are all unable to attend this court but whose affidavits he has procured and will cause the same to be hereunto annexed he states that he was born in the state of Maryland in the year 1755 agreeable to the information of his parents which he believes to be true he has no register of his birth his father moved to Virginia when this  declarant was young and settled in Caroline county from there he moved to North Carolina  settled in berk county there  his father died before the revolution This declarant remained in that county untill [until] the year 1811 when he moved to Kentucky Adair County Where he now lives and has ever since he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares his name is not on the pension roll of the agency or any state. Sworn to and subscribed the day and year of.  [signed] John Grider (his mark)
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We William Owens, John W Garrett and Samuel Simpson of [illegible] and county certify we are acquainted with Valentine Grider Samuel Smith and RAchel Smith whose affidavits are taken of the [illegible][illegible][illegible] sworn in the service, of John Grider. [illegible] a they are credible persons and that their statements are entitled to credit sworn to and subscribed in open court this 7th day of January 1833. [signed] Wm Owens, Jno Garrett Saml Simpson

And the said cort do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the war department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states. and the said court do further certify their opinion that William Owens John W. Garrett and Samuel Simpson who have subscribed and sworn to the foregoing certificate are residents of said county of Adair and are credible persons and  that their statement is entitled to credit.  The affidavits or [illegible] of Valentine Grider Samuel Smith and Rachel Smith were produced in court and ordered to be attached and annexed to said declaration of said John Grider Sen. and be certified under the seal of this court. And said Court certifies their opinion that it appears to them that the persons las named are credible persons and that their statement is entitled to credit. and That they are unable to attend court. 
State of Kentucky  Adair County Set.

I William Caldwell clerk of the Adair County court do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of said court in the matter of the application of John Grider senr. for a pension.
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and [illegible] affixed the seal of said court this 8th day of January 1833. Wm. Caldwell Ck Adair Cty [illegible]



[written on right side of page ]
From 1778 [illegible]
2 year $80
John Grider Senr 
Declaration for pension

[on left side of page]
Wm Owens
Columbia, ken
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State of Tennessee 
County of Henderson  }  ss.

On this twenty second day of September A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty three, personally appeared before me, the undersigned a Justice of the Peace within and for the county and State aforesaid, Isabel Grider, aged 93 years, a resident of Henderson county in the state of Tennessee, who being first duly sworn according to law, doth upon her oath declare that she is the widow of John Grider, who was a soldier in the Revolutionary war, and served in the state of North Carolina, for which service he drew a pension, and drew his pension at Lexington, in the state of Kentucky until he removed to the county of Henderson, in the State of Tennessee, and drew his money at Jackson, in the state of Tennessee. She further declares that her husband John Grider, died in the county of Henderson, in the State of Tennessee, on the 3rd day of October A.D. 1838, and that she has remained a widow since his death and is still a widow. She further declares that she was married other her said husband in the Burk county in the state of North Carolina, in the year A.D. 1781, by one John Connolly a Justice of the Peace, and that she has no evidence of record of it. She further declares that her name before her marriage to her said husband was Isabel Blair. She further declares, that after the death of her said husband John Grider, she destroyed many of his old papers, and among
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others his pension papers.
     She makes this declaration for the purpose of receiving the benefit of the Act of Congress passed July 7th 1832, and for the purpose of being placed on the pension list, and to draw the [illegible] of pension.  [signed] Isabel Grider ( her mark)

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written. And I hereby certify, that Isabel Grider, is too infirm to appear before a court of record.  
[signed ] Edmond Gawf JP for Henderson county

State of Tennessee
County of Henderson } ss.

On this twenty second day of September A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty three, personally appeared before me an acting Justice of the Peace, within and for the county and state aforesaid, Silas Grider, aged 55 years, a resident of Henderson County in the State of Tennessee, who being duly sworn according to law declares upon his oath, that he is the son of John Grider, and that his father gave him a power of
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attorney to draw his pension money, and for that purpose he went to Jackson in September, 1838, and drew the money at the Union Bank.    [signed] Silas Grider

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written. And I hereby certify that Silas Grider is a good and creditable witness.  p\[signed] Edmunc Gawf JP for Henderson County

State of Tennessee 
County of Henderson  } ss.

On this twenty third day of September  A. D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty three, personally appeared before me, a Justice of the Peace within and for the county and State aforesaid, Leander J Perryman, aged 40 years, a resident of Henderson County, in the State of Tennessee, who being first duly sworn according to law, declares upon his oath that he is personally acquainted with Isabel Grider, who is now living in Henderson County in the State of Tennessee  and that she is the widow of John Grider, deceased. He further declares that his acquaintance with John Grider, and his wife, now (the "widow Grider") Isabel Grider, commenced some thirty years since, in the State of Kentucky. That
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they lived together as man and wife, and were so regarded in the community where they resided and he further declares that he believes them to have been legaly [legally] married, as he never heard it questioned or any doubts entertained that they were not but on the contrary. They were much esteemed by their neighbors. He further declares that  John Grider died in Henderson county , in th eyear 1838 and that his widow Isabel Grider is now living and is still a widow. He further declares that John Grider, the husband of Isabel Grider, drew a pension for his services in the Revolutionary war, or at least that was the impression in Kentucky and Tennessee.  [signed] L J Perryman

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written. And I hereby certify that Leander J Perryman is a good and creditable witness.  [signed] Edmon Gawf JP for Henderson County
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State of Tennessee 
County of Henderson  } ss

On the twenty third day of September A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty three, personally appeared before me, the undersigned a Justice of the Peace, within and for the county and State aforesaid, John Crook, aged 75 years, a resident of Henderson county, in the State of Tennessee , who being first duly sworn according to law, declares upon his oath, taht he is personally acquainted with Isabel Grider, That she is the widow of John Grider, deceased. He further declares that his acquaintance  commenced with John Grider and his wife, now the widow Grider, (or Isabel Grider) in the county of Burk, in the State of North Carolina, some sixty years since and that he was also acquainted with them after they removed to Henderson County, in the State of Tennessee, and that they lived and cohabited together as man and wife, until the death of John Grider, That they were man and wife and were legaly married he believes, as he never heard it questioned, and were regarded as such in the communities where they resided.  He further declares that John Grider, the husband of Isabel Grider, died in Henderson County, in the State of Tennessee, some years since, and that his widow Isabel Grider, is now living, has remained a widow, and is still a widow.  [signed] John Crook

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and
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year above written.  And I hereby certify that John Crook is a good and creditable witness. 

Edmond Gawf (JP) for Henderson County

State of Tennessee
County of Henderson

On this twenty-third day of September A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty-three, personally appeared before me a Justice of the Peace, within and for the county and State aforesaid William Rhodes and Joseph P. Dodds, residents of Henderson county in the State of Tennessee, who being duly sworn according to law declare upon their oaths that they are personally acquainted with Silas Grider, John Crook, and Leander J. Pennyman.  That they are good and creditable witnesses, and we believe their affidavits to be true.  They further declare that they are acquainted with Isabel Grider, and that she is living at this time and she is a widow.

William Rhodes
Joseph G. Dodds

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written.  And I hereby certify that William Rhodes and Joseph Rhodes are good and creditable witnesses.

Edmond Gawf (JP) for Henderson County.
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No 15, 1112
Isabel Grider
Widow of John
Tenn

Act July 7 1838
Died Oct 3. 1838
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N.C. Grider, John W358
Isabel B.L.Wt.28529-160-55
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State of Tennessee
County of Henderson
May 15th 1853

On this day, A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty-five, personally appeared before me, a Justice of the Peace within and for the county and State aforesaid, Isabel Grider, aged about 97 years, a resident of Henderson County, in the State of Tennessee, who being duly sworn according to law, declares that she is the widow of John Grider, deceased, who was a soldier in the Revolutionary war, and served in the State of North Carolina, and drew a pension for his service at the Jackson Agency in the State of  Tennessee.  She further declares that her husband John Grider, deceased, died in Henderson County in the State of Tennessee in the year A.D. 1838, and that she has remained a widow since the death of said John Grider, and is a widow now.

She further declares that she is the identical Isabel Grider, who is now inscribed on the pension list at the rate of eighty dollars per annum, and made payable at the Agency in Jackson, in the State of Tennessee, and that her certificate is recorded in the Pension office on the roll of pensioners, under the act February 2nd, 1848, page 290,  vol. 3.

She makes this declaration for the purpose of obtaining the
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county land to which she may be entitled under the act approved March 3rd 1845.

Isabel Grider
X  her mark

Me, Silas Grider and S. E. Grider residents of Henderson County, in the State of Tennessee, upon our oaths declare that the foregoing declaration was signed and acknowledged by Isabel Grider in our presence, and that we know of our personal knowledge that she is the person she represents herself to be.

Silas Grider
S.E. Grider

The foregoing declaration and affidavit were sworn to and subscribed before me on the day and year above written; and I certify that I know the affiants to be credible persons, and I know the claimant to be the person she represents herself to be, and that I have no interest in this claim.

R. I. Hendrix (JP)
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State of Tennessee
Henderson County

I Jesse Taylor Clerk of the County Court of said County do certify that R. L. Hendrix is an acting Justice of the
Peace of said County -- duly commissioned and qualified according to law.  That the written signature purporting to be his is genuine and that full faith & credit is [illegible] ought to be given to all his official
acts as such. Given under my
hand and seal of office at office in Lexington May 15th 1855

Jesse Taylor Clerk
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In reply to your reqeust of Dec 31, 1909, received Jan 3, 1910 for a statement of the military history of John Grider, Senior a soldier of the Revolutionary War, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (and his widow's) application for pension on file with this Bureau.

[originially in table format]

Dates of enlistment or appointment  Mch 1778      
Length of service : Over 9 mos
Rank; Indian Spy
Officers under whom service was rendered:  Captain Thomas Whitson      Colonel  Charles McDowell
State N. C.

Dates of enlistment or appointment  Mch 1779      
Length of service : Over 9 mos
Rank; Indian Spy
Officers under whom service was rendered:  Captain Daniel Smith    Colonel  Charles McDowell
State N. C.

Dates of enlistment or appointment  Feby 1780      
Length of service : Over 9 mos
Rank; Indian Spy
Officers under whom service was rendered:  Captain Samuel Forgey      Colonel  Charles McDowell
State N. C.

Battles engaged in,  none stated
Residence of soldier at enlistment, Burke Co, NC. and until 1811
Date of application for pension, January 7, 1833, His claim was allowed
Residence at date of application, Adair Co, Ky, from 1811
Age at date of application , born July 11, 1755 in Maryland, removed with his father (name not stated) to Caroline Com Va thence to Burke Co, N.C.
Remarks: Soldier married- 1781 Isabel Blair  born Dec 13, 1761; he removed in 1836 to Henderson Co, Tenn. where he died Oct 2, 1838, and she resided when she applied for pension Sept 22 , 1853- her claim was allowed. [crossed out- on her application executed Sept 22, 1853]. Their children: Barbara  b. Dec 26, 1781 James b Sept 5 1783. William b May 3, 1785. John b June 13, 1787 . Moses b Nov 1, 1789. Enos b Nov 11, 1791. Amos b Nov 24, 1792. Aaron b Jan 5, 1794. Silas b Dec 1, 1795. Salley b June 9, 1798. Joseph b July 9, 1801. and Archibald b Mch 17, 1804     In 1832 soldiers sister Rachel Smith at 75rs. and brother Valentine  Grider at 71 both of Cumberland etcCumberland Co. Ky, testified in the case.
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[very dark copy- completely illegible]
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[dark copy- illegible first 3 lines on left side of page]
[illegible]  1755

Isbel Blair wife of 
said Grider was
Born 13th of December
in year of our lord
1761

[right side of page, first line too dark - illegible]
born Des [illegible]
in the year of our lord
1781

James Grider was born
September the 5 [illegible]
the year of our lord 1783

William Grider was 
born May the 3rd day in 
the year of our lord
1785
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[left side of page]
Enos Grider was
born November the 11th
in the year of our lord
1791

[right side of page]
John Grider was born
June the 13th day in
the year of our lord 
1789

Amos Grider was 
born November  the 20th
in year of our lord 1779

Aaron Grider was
born January the 6th day in
the year of our lord
1772
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Silas Grider was 
Born September the [illegible]
day in the year of 
our lord    1795

Sally Grider was
born June the 9th in 
year of our lord
1798
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[illegible] Grider
was born July the 7th
day in the year of our
lord  1801

Archibele Grider
was born March
the 17 180[illegible]
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[left side of page]  1910 Jan 8. Hist to W.E.
Sudderth, letter in S.F.
40538 Wm Sudderth


[right side of page]
358
Revy WIDOW, &c.

File No.  358
Isabel Grider
widow
John Grider
Priv. Rev. War.

Act Feb 2, 1848
Index: - Vol. A, Page 285

[arrangement of 1870]
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3-871

Record Division

Department of the Interior
Bureau of Pensions

Briefed by  Geo M Moore
Claim no [crossedout]  Jan 6, 1910
Certificate no. ________
Claimant________
Soldier John Grider Sr.
service   Va            Rev.
Additional service_____________

no_____claim, state records__, 190___
No Claim, combination records__, 190___

REMARKS:
No  O W J War Ras above [illegible]
N. F 358


Chief Division
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Pension Office
Jany 24 1854

Sir,
     John Grider. Kentucky Rolls, Act June 7 
1832, at $80, per annum, Please state to 
what time paid.

Very Respectfully
S.Cole
for Commr of Pensions

H Burt Esq
Third Auditor
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John Grider Sr. Act 1832. $80 per annum
Paid to 4 Sept 1838, no death
F. Burt
Auditor


Mr. Randall
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9537
Tennessee   Jackson

Isabel Grider
widow of John
who was a private
in the Revolution

Inscribed on the Roll at the rate of 
80 Dollars 00
cents per annum, to commence
on the 4th day of March, 1843.

Certificate of Pension issued
the 17th day of August 1854
and sent to 
G.W. Talbot
Spring Creek
Tenn.

[Acts of March 3, 1843 and 
June 17, 1844]

Recorded in Book a
Vol. 2  Page 192
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11701
Tennessee     Jackson
Isabel Grider
widow of John
who died on the 3rd October, 1838,
of _----- in th eState of ------
who was a private in the ----commanded
by Captain---- of the ---  commanded
by ------ int he Revolution
line for 

Inscribed on the Roll of Jackson 
at the rate of 80 Dollars  00- cents
per annum, to commence on the 3rd day of
[crossed out- March, 1836] October  1838

Certificate of Pension issued the 17th day of 
August 1854, and sent to Geo W. Talbot 
Spring Creek Tenn:

Arrears to the 4th of 
Semiannual allowance ending

{Revolutionary Claim, Act July 7, 1838}

Recorded by G.T. Getty Clerk,
Book D  Vol. 1   Page 347
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The State of Tennessee 
County of Henderson  }  SS.

On this fifteenth day of November eighteen hundred and thirty six before me the subscriber a Justice of the Peace for the said County of Henderson, personally appeared  John Grider Senior who on his Oath declares, that he is the same person formerly belonged to the company commanded by Captain Thomas Whitson in the Regiment Commanded by Colonel Charles McDowell in the second tour in the company commanded by Captain Daniel Smith, in the Regiment commanded by the said Colonel Charles McDowell, in the third  [illegible]  in the company commanded by Captain Sameul Forgey in the Regiment commanded by the aforesaid Colonel Charles McDowell in the Service of the United States, that his name was placed on the Pension Roll of the State of Kentucky from whence he has lately removed, - that he now resides in the State of Tennessee, in the County of Henderson where he intends to remain, and wishes his pension to be there payable in the future.-

The following are his reasons for removing from the State of Kentucky to the State of Tennessee- That he had a son Wm Silas Grider, living in Henderson County Tennessee to, whom he was fondly attached, and who was both able and willing to take care of him and to provide for him and to afford him those comforts and consolations attendant upon old age and infirmity-  [signed] John Grider (his mark)

Sworn to and subscribed before me this fifteenth day of November Anno Domminus 1836  [signed] Felix W Henry Justice of the peace 
Henderson County
State of Tennessee 
Henderson County  }  On this fifteenth day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand
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eight hundred and thirty six personally appeared before me Felix W. Henry a Justice of the Peace from said county of Henderson; Silas Grider who on his oath declares that the said John Grider, who has sworn to and subscribed the foregoing affidavit  in this identical John Grider as he has sated in the foregoing affidavit  [crossed out-  and I Felix W. Henry do further certify, that the said Silas Grider is a person of veracity]  [signed] Silas Grider

Sworn to and subscribed before me this day and year first aforesaid. [signed] Felix W. Henry Justice of the Peace of Henderson County

State of Tennessee 
Henderson County  }  I Felix W. Henry a Justice of the Peace in and for the County of Henderson and State of Tennessee, do hereby certify that I am personally acquainted with Mr. Silas Grider who has sworn to and subscribed before me the foregoing affidavit, and that he the said Silas Grider is a man of veracity. 
Given under my hand and seal this fifteenth day of November [bottom line not copied]
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[entire first paragraph marked out - 
State of Tennessee 
Henderson County  } I Jesse Taylor Clerk of the said County  Court of Henderson County do hereby certify that Felix W. Henry before whom the aforegoing affidavits of [illegible] Grider and Silas Grider were taken was at the time of taking the same an acting Jusice of the Peace of the county of Henderson afroesaid and ]

State of Tennessee 
Henderson County }   I Jesse Taylor Clerk of the County Court of Said County of Henderson do hereby certify that Felix W. Henry before whom the written affidavits was made of John Grider and Silas Grider is an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said county of Henderson and State aforesaid and that full faith and credit is  and ought to be given to all his official acts as such.
Given under my hand and seal of office at office this 15th day of November 1836  [signed] Jesse Taylor Clerk Henderson County Court
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State of Tennessee 
Henderson County  }  I John H Bonner Chairman of the County Court of Henderson County in the State of Tennessee, do hereby certify that Jesse Taylor who hath signed the foregoing certificate is and was at the time of signing this [illegible], Clerk of the County Court of Henderson County Tennessee; that his said certificate is in due form of Law and that full faith and credit are due and should be given to his official acts as such.-
In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this fifteenth day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty six.-    [signed] John H Bonner Chairman of the County Court of Henderson County


[upside down on page]  Mr. W. Dunlap

[illegible] to 
Jackson, Tenn
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John Grider

Ky
to Jackson, Ten


Hon. W.C. Dunlap
HR
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Washington Janry 10th 1837

Dear Sir
Inclosed is the affidavit of Mr. John Grider of Henderson County who desires that he shall be transfered from the Kentucky to the Tennessee pension Roll. You will please have his case attended to as early as convenient 
Your with respect,
W.C Dunlap
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Northern Bank KY
Lexington,  Jany 23.1837

Sir
Your favor of the 14th Jany is received- John Grider pensioner was paid to the 4 Sept 1835 and will no be paid in future at this agency
Respectfully
Your Ob Svt-
Wm. Ernst Clk

J.L. Edwards Esq
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington D.C.
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Spring Creek, Tenn Jan 10th '54

Sir:
Enclosed you will find declaration and accompanying papers, of Isabel Grider, widow of John Grider.
     These papers have remained sometime in the clerks office for authentication.  
Your obet sevt
Geom N Talbot

Hon L. P. Waldo
Washington City
D.C.
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Isabel Grider
Martha Hastin
Bathia Massey
3 cases Ten [illegible] 38

Margaret Evans
Ten Suspects 3rd Feb

[Written as on envelope]
Spring creek Tn
[illegible] 14

L.P. Waldo
Comm. Of Pensions
Wahsington CIty
DC
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Spring Creek Tenn Feb 16th 1854

Hon L.P. Waldo
Sir:

     If you will examine the papers of Isabel Grider, you will see that the certificate of Edmond Gawf, States that Isabel Grider is too infirm to attend a court of record. I am at a loss to comprehend your requirements. You inform me int he case of Margaret Crane, that the certificate  of the Magistrate, that she was too infirm to attend court was necessary, and when I have the certificate annexed I am then required to have the declaration sworn to before a court of record. Every requirement  that you make in the case of Isabel Grider  can be performed except her appearing before a court of record. She resides thirteen miles from her court house  and besides her age she is in feeble health. She does not go from house, not to see the neighbors on the adjoining plantation, and it is utterly impossible for her to go to Lexington merely to be sworn before the chairman of the county court in a back room of a store, or one at the tavern, why will not a Justice of the Peace who is a member of the court of a county answer as well?  Mrs Isabel Grider can not appear before a court of record, from the fact that she is too infirm to travel 13 miles and then the chairman of the county court will not come to her, 13 miles, after he "opens court", and it is not probable that the Judge of the circuit court would go [illegible] nor the chancellor. A declaration
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sworn to before either of these dignitaries after they have "opened court", in the street, at a tavern, private residence, or any where, would be certified os appeared before open court?  "Open court" is not in the court house or at least it is not so considered by the legal profession. There are many acknowledgements  that have to be made by females "in open court", yet they generally find it convenient to call on the Judge at his room or office. So you see it is not often the case that a woman appears in a court room, before spectators, to make an acknowledgment or swear to a declaration. Mrs. Isabel Grider made arrangements some nine years since to apply for the money due her and to be placed on the pension list, her attorney endeavored to get a copy of the marriage license but it was n ot on record, and the [illegible] was  abated. She could, at that time have attended court. If Mrs. Isabel Grider is living, I have not seen her for several months, I will fill up the form which your have furnished, and get a Justice of the Peace to visit her and have her qualified to its contents. Mrs. Grider desires to receive the benefit of the pension laws what[illegible] living, but of the Government requires her to  [illegible] hear before court, notwithstanding the Justice of the Peace before whom she swore to her declaration, certifies that she is too feeble and infirm to do so, and the facts of the Magistrates certificate could be sustained by her neighbors and the practicing physicians of the neighborhood. She will never receive anything during life. The declaration of Darcus Muns daughter of Joseph Massey was
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returned and  she requested to certify herself before a record, She was unwell at the time her declaration was received and promised as soon as her strength would enable her to attend court she would do so. She died some three days since.  I cannot with any certainty say that Mrs. Grider is living, her health has been bad and when she swore to her declaration she was confined to her bed. I will however, visit her, and comply with your requirements as near as can be done.  If [illegible due to copy fold] will take the oaths of the first citizens  [? missing text] of Henderson County all the proof [not copied] require can be made.
     In regard to the marriage certificate of Absolum Hasty and Pattsy  Wade, is the maiden name of MRs Hasteins Mary previous address me as Tolbert, Tolbott- Talbert and it is more than probable that the individual  who returned the license was not very particular  Mr. William Rhodes is the Executor of Mrs. Hasteins estate, and he will make all the proof you require.  
Your Obedient servt.
Geo. W.Talbot
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Spring Creek Tenn
March 4th 1835

Sir:

     Enclosed you will find the declaration of Mrs Isabel Grider. She  can not  go before a "court of record" She wants that [illegible] because she can not , [illegible] will therefore,  see that it is unreasonable to demand it.
     I send you also the affidavit of her [illegible] in regard to the family record of Absolum Hasten.
     I have the record of Silas Grider and [illegible] Martin in my possession and if they must be forwarded to your office through the mail, it shall be done and if other proof required in [illegible]. [illegible] [illegible] will be made at the county court on next Monday.
     I forwarded you some time since the family record of Benjamin  Murrill, have you recieved it? It was mailed at Boliver Tenn.
     I received your letter addressed to me at Scott's Hill, Henderson County Tenn.  In future address me at this office
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Isabel Grider

Ten [illegible]  38

Sevle
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Spring Creek, Tenn April 2nd 53

Sir,

You will find enclosed a certificate from the Circuit Court for the tenth Judicial Circuit, for the County of Henderson, State of Tennessee  in regard to the death of John Grider and that he left Isabel Grider surviving. If on examination of the papers in this case, you need more testimony inform me.  

Yours Jc
George W. Talbot

L. P. Waldo Esq
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Spring Creek Tenn  April 28th 1856

Dear Sir,
     Your letter of "April 19th 1854" has just reached me, and I am astonished at the contents, as you have asserted that the family record does not establish the marriage of Isabel and John before the 1st of January, 1794, if only I  have the ages of several of the children, the eldest of whom was born on the 1st of December, 1796."
     Now, Sir, it is evident that the papers accompanying the record were not carefully examined, or you would have seen that the record is that of Silas Grider, the fifth or sixth son of John and Isabel Grider, you will further see from the affidavit  of Silas Grider, that the record was made in the year 1830. The record is not the record of Isabel and John Grider, and that of children's births recorded are there of Silas Grider whom you are pleased to call the "eldest". On examining Silas Griders affidavit  you will find that he states that he is not the eldest child- that there are five or six older than himself, and that there were no twins or triplets, and that they were born at the usual interval- say two years, I wish you to re-examine the affidavit  of Silas Grider, and see if there is not positive proof that his parents were married
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previous to 1794, YOu will see that Silas Grider is the fifth or sixth son, I do not recollect which and from the record of Silas Grider you will see that he was born in 1796. Now, Sir, it is evident to me, and any body else, that Silas Grider being the fifth or sixth child, and he born in 1796, and that his mother Isabel Grider never bore twins nor triplets that it looks like sha and her husband John Grider were married previous to 1794, and if it don't look so it has a [illegible] that way.
I regret to take issue with you in regard to this matter, but I'm confident that a careful examination of the papers has not been had and that they have been passedover carelessly, therefore I request another examination of the affidavit of Silas Grider, son of John and Isabel Grider.
     Enclosed you have the application of Cynthia Estes for bounty land.

                   Your ob'dnt Servt,
                 George W. Talbot

L.P Waldo, Esq
Washington 
D.C.

Cnythia Estes Dec. Taken out
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It is hereby certified that satisfactory proof has been exhibited before the court of the tenth Judicial Circuit  for the county of Henderson in the State of Tennessee, by the affidavit of Rebeca B. Rhodes, a resident of Henderson county , in the State of Tennessee, and who is entitled to credit, that John Grider who was  a Revolutionary pensioner, died in said Henderson County, state aforesaid, on the second day of October, D.D. one thousand eight hundred and thirty eight, and that he left a widow surviving whose name is Isabel Grider.

 In Testimony whereof  I have set my hand and having no seal of office, private seal  of office this twenty eight day of March, in the year A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty four.

R.B. Jones Clerk Circuit court Henderson County Tennessee
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Spring Creek, Madison Co, Tenn
May 18th 1854

Sir:

     Your communication of the 9th [illegible] has been received, and in regard to the testimony required to complete the case of Isabel Grider, I can inform you that Mrs. Grider brtoehrs and sisters reside in Kentucky and it is not convenient to get their records, however, proof positive can be made here that there are older children of John and Isabel Grider.
      There is no dodging about the marriage of the parties previous to 1794,  That can be satisfactorily established  by the ages of the children residing in Kentucky, and the reason Silas Grider's record was used it was because he was the only child of the parties residing in this state, and then we thought it would be reasonable to conclude that as he was born in 1796, and there being six children older, that the marriage took place previous to 1794.
     We do not wish to incur the expense of going to Kentucky to get the records of other children and will therefore take the testimony of persons in this section who know that there are older children.

Your Obent servt
George W. Talbot


Hon L. P. Waldo
Washington
D.C.
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Isabel Gride

Ten Suspects 38'

Cole
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Spring Creek, Tenn, June 2nd 54

Sir: 

     I sent you a few weeks since some affidavits in regard to the marriage of John Grider and Isabel, The proof [illegible] will not  answer you I well know, but I have just received a letter from one of the sons of the parties which places the mother " beyond a shadow of a doubt" and put a stop to all hair spliting [splitting] distractions.

     Mr. Grider says:-
          "I have the family register of my parents made perhaps 70 or 80 years ago, I was born in 1783 and one child older than me. It is an easy matter to establish the marriage of my parents long before 1794."
      I have written to Mr. Grider to forward the record to you, and I hope you will receive it in due season.

Your Obent Servt,
George W. Talbot

Hon L. P. Waldo
Washington City
 D.C.
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Spring Creek Tn
July 31
 L. P. Waldo
Washington City
D.C.

[other writing illegible]
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Spring Creek TN
July 31

L. P. Waldo 
Wahsington City
D.C.

Isabel Grider 
Ten Jun 38

Martha Hasten
[illegible]  sus 58
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Spring Creek July 30 1855

Sir: 
     On the 7th day of June 1855 several affidavits were mailed to you at this office going to show that Isabel and John Grider had children older than Silas Grider. You have never acknowledged its reception. Did you receive it?
     The same mail contained a certificate from the Clerk of the Court of Henderson County that William Rhode was executor of the Estate of Martha Hastein and giving the amount of his official bond. You have not acknowledged its reception. Did you receive it?
     Recent developments require that I should be informed other papers that were mailed at the same time reached your office.
Your Obent servt  
George W. Talbot

L.P. Waldo Esq
Washington 
D.C.
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State of Kentucky 
Russell Count of   } ss

On this twentieth second day of July A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty-four, personally appeared before me, and acting Justice of the Peace within and for the county and state aforesaid, James Grider, aged 70 years a resident of Russell county in the State of Kentucky, who after being duly sworn according to law, declares upon his oath, that the book entitled Family Record of John Grider containing the family record of his parents John and Isabel Grider, and which he intends forwarding to the Commissioner of Pensions of Washington City, has been in his possession for 48 or 50 years, and the record was made perhaps 70 or 80 years since. He futher declares that he was born in 1783 according to the said record and that his sister Barbara Mandows, is older than himself. He further declares that his father John Grider, died in the county of Henderson in the State of Tennessee, where his mother Isabel Grider now resides. The family record was written by a man by the name of George Tucker by the request of his father with the exception of the last item which he done himself wit my hand this day and date above written.  [signed] James Grider

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written. And I hereby certify that James Grider is a good and creditable witness. [signed] Marcellus Baugh PRC

State of Kentucky 
Russell County }  ss

I William S. Patterson clerk of the Russell county court do certify that Marcellus Baugh who has affixed
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his name to the foregoing certificate is and was a t the date of the same an acting Justice of the Peace within and for the county aforesaid duly elected commissioned and qualified as such. In testimony whereof I have here unto set my name and affixed the seal of the Russell County Court this 24th day of July 1854. [signed] Will S. Patterson Clerk of Russell County court
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Isable Grider
Ten
Anderson

Martha Haster

Ten 38
Spring Creek Ten
July 31

L.P. Waldo
Washington City
D.C.
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Spring Creek Tenn, July 29th 1854

Sir:

     In reply to your letter ofthe 20th instant I can inform you that in obedience to your request of March 24th 1854. The original family record of Silas Grider, (and not John and Isabel Griders record) son of John and Isabel, you acknowledged the reception of the record of Silas Grider, and contended that you could not admit the claim under the Act of 1838 unless better testimony that the marriage transpired previous to 1794, than the record furnished. The record of Absolum and Martha Hastein was mailed at the same time. I presume that the person who took from the post office the record of Silas Grider, contained in a large family Bible, received also the record of Absolum and Martha Hastein, which was recorded in a small Bible and covered with coarse cotton cloth, such as we call cottonade.
     It did not request you to search in the post office , but merely to request the Post master to have diligent search made, I shall write to Mr. Barclay Martin, our mail Agent to have an examination made at Nashville. It is strange that the record of Silas Grider should have reached you and that of Martha Hastein miscarried. My dear Sir, this Hastein record if of importance to the family, not that the desire to employ it in having their
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claim allowed, but because it is a family "heir Loom".
     Mr Rhodes would not let it go until I Copied the record, which was carefully compared with the original by Mr. Rhodes and myself, and the copy which was a correct one, Mr Rhodes retained.
     The fact that there Bibles containing the records of Silas Grider and Martha Hastein is known , not only to the Post Master but to others and testimony incontestible [incontestable] can be had to prove that they were mailed. One of them reached you, and I believe if you were to cause search to be made, you would find the other. They were mailed at the same time and one having reached its destination, it is probably that the other is not far.
     Mrs Grider's record has not been sent, it was the record of her son Silas Grider, but I have recently heard from one of the old lady's sons that he had the original record of his parents in his possession, and that he would forward it to you, and if he has done so please inform me.
      Hoping you will cause search to be made among the rubbish of your office for the Hastein record, which I pledged should be returned to the famly. By the by, as the record of Silas Grider is of no service in fixing the date of his mothers marriage, you will please return it to me, as the
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owner thinks more of his Bible than he does of money. Let it be well enveloped.  Very Respectfully  Your obent Servt [signed] George W. Talbot

Since writing the above and of the "little folks" has scribbled as you see.  [squiggle lines on letter]
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Spring Creek Aug 1st 1854

Hon L.P. Waldo
Sir
     Yours of 20th Ultimo has been received, and in which you inform us that, tho family records of Isabel widowed of John Grider, and Martha, widowed of Absalum Hasting, have not reached you. In your letter of the 19th April last however, you say "The family Bible does not establish the marriage of Isabel and John before the 1st of January 1794; it only shows the ages of several of the children, the eldest of whom was born on the 1st of December 1796"
    Now, if no family record of the Griders has been received, upon what do you base the above statement?  Well, the fact is , you had not at that time the family record of Isabel andJohn Grider, but had received that of Silas Grider, a son of the parties, and the ninth child at that, and which you mistook for that of his father and mother. From several letters now before me, it is very apparent that more than one Clerk, has had a hand in examining this case, and writing the letters, and in this way a slight mistake my have [illegible]. The family Bible of Silas Grider now in your possession, was mailed at this place by the present writer, in the last of March, or first of April
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and with which, and at the sametime and place, I also mailed, and forwarded the family Bible of Martha Hasting and [illegible] of Absalum , and it is very strange that one of these books would reach its destination, and the other not get there!  The letter or Hastings Bible, was a very old looking book of [illegible] size, and the original cover, covered with home made goods, rather coarse, with white and black stripes - it is much smaller than the Silas Grider Bible, and permit me to Suggest that it may have reached the Pension Office, in Company with a large amount of other mail matter, and in some was mislaid or overlooked in distributing it among the several clerks. Our Post Master here recollects that fact, that these books were mailed from a conversation which occurred at the time-  He made an estimate of the postage, and put down the Sum of $6.10 on the Grider Bible and contended that he had no authority to send it as free matter. It however matters but little as to the Silas Grider Bible-  The affidavits of his wife (who is two years older than himself) L. J. Perryman, and that of Isabel Grider hisself thus proving that there were no less than eight children, who were older than Silas, together with the certificate of Esq Hendricks, showing that from his long acquaintance with the Grider family, and his confidence in the above named affiants, that he fully
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believed all the facts as set forth by them. Theses affidavits were forwarded with the official bond of Rhodes executor of Administrator of Hasting, and may have been filed with it, and thus not noticed- and which may be the reason you have not acknowledged their reception. These papers were mailed here between the 7th and 12th of June, and on the 23rd of taht month, you reply to Mr. Talbot's letter of the 12th, and refer us to yours of the 24th March, and again call for the family records, in both the Grider and Hasting cases. But as to the original family record of Isabel and John Grider, it was ascertained sometime since, that it was in possession of James Grider of Kentucky, a son of the parties, and an older man than Silas. He was directed a few weeks ago to take the proper preliminary steps, and forward it to you by mail, and it is now, or will soon be before you, and which together with all the other papers in this case, if faithfully and carefully examined, by a competent clerk, will settle the only remaining question in this case, the date of the marriage. So soon as James Grider forwards the Bible, please notify us of the reception. We still hope and believe the family record of Martha and Absalum Hasting will yet be found somewhere  about the Pension office- it was not worth puroining from the mail- was in company with that of Silas Grider which has gone
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through safely- The Griders belong to the first class of Society, and would be as little likely to attempt a fraud on the government as any persons in our country. IT is perhaps right that I should apologize for so tedious a document as this, but as I mailed the family records refered to, and it appears that the one got on safely, which the other was lost, I cannot avoid feeling somewhat surprised at the loss.  I am Sir
Your most obedient Servant
 [signed] Z Jayne for George W. Talbot
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Spring Creek August 4th 1834

Hon L. P. Waldo

Sir

Since writing you on the [illegible] instant in reference to the family records of Isabel and John Grider, and Martha and Absalum Hasting, that of the former has been forwarded here instead of directly from Kentucky to the pension office as we expected.  You will however please find it together with the affidavit of James Grider who has long had it in his possession.
     If it is not satisfactory as to the date of the marriage in this case, we are at a loss to know what could be so.
Please acknowledge its reception.
Very Respectuflly your 
obedient servant
Z Payne for Geo. W. Talbot

Hon L.P.Waldo
Washington City
D.C.
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[illegible]
Aug 14
Hon L. P. Waldo
Com of Pensions
Washington City
D.C.
Isabel Grider 
Ten  [illegible] 2 Feb 98
Martha Hasten
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Isabel Grider
Ten- Act of FEb 48

Martha Gastin
Ten- [illegible] [illegible]

73th [illegible]

Spring Creek Tenn
Aug 14

Hon. L P. Waldo
Comm of Pensions
Washington City
DC
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Spring Creek, Madison County, Tenn.
August 15th 1883

Sir
Sometime in March last I sent you two Bibles, one the property of Silas Grider and the other the property of Martha Hasting. The Grider Bible was sent to you to prove that the parents of Silas Grider were married previous to 1794; You refused to admit his record as evidence, I presume you have no further use for it and will thank you to return it to me.
The Hastin Bible was mailed at the same time, but you have informed me that it has not reached your office.
The family record of John and Isable Grider has been sent to you and I hope you have received it. 
Yours Respectfully
Your Obednt servt
Geo. W. Talbot

L.P. Waldo
Washington City
DC
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Spring Creek Tenn. Sep 9th 1854

Sir,
     Mr. Rhodes and Grider received their certificates and called at the Agency in Jackson. The Agent was in the County and they were informed by a gentleman in the office that if the Agent was at home he could not pay, that he had no funds of  of the Government in his hands.
These gentlemen will have to "call again" and probably meet with the same results. If the Agent has no funds could he not be supplied? It is a hard case to issue certificates without providing means to meet them.
Respectfully 
Your Obent Servt
Geo. W. Talbot

Hon L. P. Waldo
Washington City
DC

1830 - 360
             215      575-   400
1843 + 4          615
1848 -  480     550 - 800
1853-               480
 "                       450-  400
                       2670

Invalid        800-
1832           150-
1836           200-
1838           300-
1843             50-
1848           800
1853           1200
                   3500
   sent         2000
                   5500
                   3816
                   1700

3816               5816
                        3500
                        2316
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Isabel Grider
Widow of John
Tennessee
Act July 7, 1838

Admitted 
At $80 per annum
From October 3d 1838, when
he died -

certificate payable 
to claimant
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Breif in the case of  Isabel Grider- Widow of Joh 
Henderson County and State of Tennessee 
Act July 7, 1838

Claim, ("original", [crossed out- or "for increase" ])

Proof exhibited, (if original)

Is it documentary, traditionary, or supported by rolls?  If either, state the substance.
John Grider was pensioned under at of 1832- for 2 years service of which there was proof at  $80 per annum-

Marriage proved by family record and [illegible]

Death of John and widowhood} proved by [illegible]

(If for increase.)
Has additional evidence been filed since the admission of the claim?  If so, what?


Name and residence of Agent
Geo W. Talbot
Spring Creek
Tennessee                                 S. G. Dodge Examining Clerk
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Springfield Tenn
May [illegible]

Official Business


Hon L.P. Waldo,
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City, 
D.C.

150873
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Spring Creek Madison Co Tenn
May 19th 18[5]5
Sir
Enclosed we send you the declaration of Isabel Grider widow of John Grider
You will please acknowledge its receipt
Very Respectfully
Your obedient servant
Talbot [illegible] Jayne
Hon L P Waldo
Washington City
S C
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28529

Geo Ames
Page 79

[illegible]
Isabel Grider
Widow of John
Tenn


G.W.Talbot Jny 24 1854
Same March 1 1854
same   "    3 1854
G.W.Talbot 24th March 1854
G.W. Talbot 19th April 1854
Same   May 9 1854
same July 20 1854

Act July 7 1838
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127991
Ann Clark

150878
Isabel Grider
Boynton
Mar

159680
Martha Rider


Official Business 

Hon  [illegible]
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington  City
D.C.
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[illegible] Tenn
May 5th 1836

Sir:

     The amendment to Bounty Land [illegible] of [illegible] in , and 1835 are [illegible] you to [illegible] warrants to the soldiers of the Revolution and there widows who are drawing a pension at this time. I refer you to the applications of Mrs. Ann Clark, No 127, 991- Isabel Grider, No. 150, 878 and Martha Rider, No 159, 680,
     You will do me a favor if you will send mea  copy of the amendment, and your rules and regulations.
Very Respectfully
Your Obdn't Serv't
Geo. W. Talbot

Hon J. Minot
Washington City
D.C.
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John Grider Tenn

State of Kentucky 
Cumberland County } ss

Be it remembered that on this 13th day of December 1832.
Personally came before the under signed Justice of the Peace in and for the county of  Valentine Grider a resident of Cumberland County state of Kentucky  aged about 71 years who being first duly sworn on the holy Evangelist of almighty God States that he is well acquainted with his brother John Grider SR a resident of Adair County Kentucky. That said John is 77 years of age that he [illegible] in the time of the Revolution [illegible] in Burk County North Carolina. He further states that said John Grider served as a  private malitia [militia] man in the service of the United States during the Revolutionary War. Three tours of duty on the frontier of North Carolina he states that he served with him two tours which was the last time said John served and he well recollects his serving one tour before this affiant was in service he knows he went [illegible]
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returned that he went early and the spring and returned about Chrismas [Christmas] following and [illegible] the two tours he served with this affiant the terms was about the same length [illegible] has no hesitation in stating that said John [illegible] the three tours of  Served more than two years he thinks said John first entered the service in 1777 or 1778 and served each succeeding year he further states that  he is now so infirm that he cannot without much inconvenience  to himself attend the court of Adair Sworn to and subscribed this day and year of [illegible] [illegible] me [signed] Valentine Grider
F H Winfrey JP C.C

State of Kentucky Cumberland County 
I Frances H Winfrey a Justice of the Peace in and for said county do hereby certify and declare my opinion  that the above named Valentine Grider whose deposition was this day taken subscribed and sworn to before me is a resident of the county of Cumberland . that he is the age he states that he is the age he states that he is a credible person and that his statements is intitled [entitled] to credit and I further certify that owing to his infirmity he could not attend the Adair Court without much inconvenience to himself given under my hand as Justice af? the day and year of ?  F. H . Winfrey JP CC
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State of Kentucky 
Cumberland County  }  [illegible]

Be it remembered that on this 12th day of December 1932 personally came before the undersigned Frances H. Winfrey one of the Commonwealth Justices of the peace in and for the County of Cumberland County [illegible] Samuel Smith a resident of the county aforesaid who being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath state that he is well acquainted with John Grider [illegible] now a resident citizen of the county of Adair State of Kentucky  that he has been well acquainted with him for upwards of fifty years this affiant is now in the 77th year of his age and he states that the said Grider is about the same age and that he knows that said Grider was a soldier of the revolution from the county of Birks State of North Carolina he states that about the year 1777 the said Grider was [illegible] with this affiant at Griders fort Davidson fort  and scouting about from early in the spring untill [until] about Christmas in  This tour he has no doubt the
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said John Grider [illegible] served as a private soldier in the service of teh United States at least 9 months Capt Thomas Whitson was the commander and John Morgan was the Lieut he further states that he has no hesitation in stating that the said John Grider served  two other tours of about the same length of time in the same service and in the same region of country he cannot speak positively not having been with him but he knows he the said Grider was absent and Report said he was in service and when he would return  [illegible] was so reported by him and others and generally so believed and never was doubted this affiant is as confident he the said Grider served the two last tours here mentioned as he [illegible] of any thing that he did not witness through and this affiant further states that he is old and so infirm that he is  unable to attend court for the purpose of giving his testamony [testimony] in the above case.
Subscribed and sworn to before me the day and year of [illegible].

F.H. Winfrey JP   [signed] Samuel Smith (his mark)
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State of Kentucky Cumberland County [illegible]
I Francis H Winfrey a Justice of the Peace for said county before whom the forgoing deposition of Samuel Smith was taken subscribed and sworn to before me on this day do certify and declare that the said Samuel Smith is a resident [illegible] in of the county of Cumberland State of Kentucky that he is the age he states and that the said Samuel Smith is a credible person and his statement is entitled to credit and from his bodily infirmity he is unable to attend court. Given under my hand as Justice [illegible] the day and year said.[signed] Francis H Winfrey JP CC
Also the affidavit Rachel Smith aged 75 years who being duly sworn according to law doth on her oath state that she is the sister of John Grider Senr of the county of Adair and the same person named by Samuel Smith  and Valentine Grider in their deposition above. She states positively  that her said brother John did serve three tours of duty as a malitiaman [militiaman] in the Revolutinary war in the service of the United States. She knows of his starting from home each tour and his returning home that each year he starts early in the year and would return about Chrismas [Christmas] She cannot [illegible] state the length of time in each tour but feels confident that each
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Tour was between 8 and 9 months or more she recollects that he went out early each year and returned about Chrismas [Christmas]. She further states that she is old and infirm so much so that she cannot without great inconvenience and trouble attend court.
Sworn to and subscribed before me Francis H Winfrey a Justice of the Peace in and for the county of Cumberland the day and year [illegible]  [signed] Rachel Smith (her mark)
F. H Winfrey JP Cc

State of Kentucky  Cumberland County
I Francis H Winfrey Justice of the Peace in and for the county afd [aforesaid] do hereby certify and declare my opinion that the above named Rachel Smith whose affidavit was this day taken before me is a resident of the county of Cumberland that she is that age she states that the is a credible person and that her statement is entitled  to credit and I further cerfity and declare that she is so inform that she cannot without great inconvenience attend court given under my hand as Justice afd [aforesaid] The day and year afd [aforesaid]    [signed] Franci H Winfrey JP CC
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Kentucky Cumberland County Set.
I Milton King Clerk of the County Court for said County, do hereby certify that Francis H Winfrey esquire, before whom the affidavits of Samuel Smith and Rachel Smith and Valentine Grider were taken, is now and was at the date thereof, an acting Justice of the Peace in and for said county of Cumberland, duly commissioned and qualified that his official acts are entitled to  full faith and credit and that his signature is his genuine signature.
Given under my hand and the seal of my office in Burkesville this 13th day of December A.D. 1832  [signed] M. King [illegible]
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State of Tennessee 
County of Henderson } SS
On this seventeenth day of February, A.D. one thousand eight hundred and fifty four, personally appeared before me, an acting Justice of the Peace within and for the county and State aforesaid, Isabel Grider, a resident of Henderson County, in the state of Tennessee aged ninety four year, who being first duly sworn according to  law, doth, on her oath, make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress, passed July 7, 1838, entitled "An act granting pay and pensions to certain widows" That she is the widow of John Grider, who was a private in the Revolutionary war, and drew a pension for his services in said war, at the pension agency in Lexington, in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, and was transferred to the Agency of Jackson, in the State of Tennessee.
     She further declares that she was married to the said John Grider, in the year seventeen hundred and eighty-one and taht she has no evidence of record of the marriagem that her husband, the aforesaid, John Grider, died on the second day of October eighteen hundred and thrity eight, that she as not married to him prior to his leaving the service, but the marriage took place previous ot the first of January
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seventeen hundred and ninety four, viz, at the time above stated. She further swears that she is now a widow , and that she has never before made any application for a pension. [signed] Isabel Grider (her mark)
 B C Wilkinson for Henderson County

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written. and I hereby certify that Isabel Grider, the above affiant is personally known to me and that she, from bodily infirmity, is not able to attend a court of record, being ten miles an a half to the county seat.  B C Wilkinson

State of Tennessee 
County of Henderson   } ss
On this seventeenth day of February  A.D. one thousand and eight hundred and fifty four personally appeared before me, an acting Justice of the Peace within and for the county and State aforesaid, Silas Grider, a good and creditable witness and a resident of Henderson County, in the state of Tennessee, who being duly sworn according to law declares that the family record, as contined in this Bible, forwarded to the Pension office for
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inspection is in the hand writing of Noah Douglass, and were made in the spring of 1831. He further declares that the record of his age is correct, He further declares that he has one sister and seven brothers, older than himself, not one of whom are twins, and that they are the children of John and Isabela Grider.  [signed] Silas Grider

Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written.  [signed] BC Wikinson