Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 5202, John Hoople, New York
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(3-1776) 

SERVICE
New York 

Hoople, John 
Eleanor

NUMBER
R.5202

CONTENTS
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Eleanor Hoople
widow of
John Hoople
Act of 7 July 1838.
filed March 9, 1854

Evans G Fant
Washington City
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Province of Canada 
United Counties of Stormont Dundas and Glengary 
On the sixteenth day of January 1854 personally appeared before me R. K. Bullock Esqr. a commissioner duly appointed for taking Affidavits in Her Majestys Court of Queens Bench for said counties Elenor Hoople Aged as she avers Eighty four years who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on her oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress passed July 7 1838 and also the balance of her husbands pension unclaimed by him from the 4th day of March 1842 being the date being the date of her late husbands death. That she is the Widow of the late John Hoople who was a Musician in the Company of Captain Andrew Fink in the Regiment commanded by Col Van Schoick and Major Christopher Gates during three years and six months or thereabouts of the Revolutionary War. The said John Hoople removed from the United States to Canada early in the year 1784. She further declares that she is unable to say at what precise time or place her said husband enterd the said Regiment nor can say when or at what place he was discharged from the said Regiment, She further says that she was married to the said John Hoople at Osnabruck in the said County of Stormont on the 11 July 1784 by an Itinerant Minister of the Presbyterian Denomination named Bryant, at which place her said husband resided to the time of his decease and at which place she still resides, We had children whose name were Sarah John Elizabeth William Peter Susan Isaac & Charles, and my said Husband died on the 7th day of January 1841 as before stated and that she is still the widow of the said Hoople and that her husband never received any pension during his life time from the United States nor from any State nor ever applied for one to her knowledge 
[signed] Elenor Hoople X her mark
Sworn & Subscribed before me at Osnabruck this sixteenth day of January 1854 her at the residence of the said deponent she being from age and infirmity unable to leave her own house 
[signed] R K Bullock Comr of the Court of Queens Bench
And the said R K Bullock
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doth hereby declare as his opinion after hearing the testimony of the neighbors of the above named applicant that her husband was a soldier of the revolution as above stated, and that the said widow is the widow of the of the said John Hoople and that he lived until the 7 day of July 1842 when he died at Osnabruck as above stated in the province of Canada Leaving having the forgoing affiant his widow and that she is still his Widow 
I further certify and declare that I copied the following record from the family Bible in the possession of Mrs Hoople and that she and John Hoople has son made oath that the said Record was the family record of Marriages and deaths and that it had every appearance of being the family record 
A Copy To wit. 
John Hoople Married to Elenor Kintner the 11th July 1784 And died Jany 7th 1842 
To all whomsoever shall see these presents Greeting Know that for value received I hereby appoint Gideon F Lewis of Cleveland Ohio my true and lawfull attorney in fact without power of revocation to received from the United States the amounts of pensions due me from the 4th day of March Eighteen hundred and Thirty one to the 4 day of September 1853.
Witness my hand and seal at Osnabruck this sixteenth day of January 1854. 
[signed] Elenor Hoople X her mark
Attest John Archibald 

I Robert K Bullock a commissioner for taking affidavits in the Queens Bench for the Counties of Stormont Dundas & Glengary Province of Canada do certify that the forgoing power of Attorney was executed in my presence and duly acknowledged before me on the day of the date thereof 
[signed] R K Bullock Comr
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United Counties of Stormont Dundas & Glengary, Province of Canada 
John Archibald of the Township of Osnabruck in the said County of Stormont says on Oath that he practiced medicine in the said Township for more than twelve years but has now denounced the practice of his profession, that he attended the late John Hoople in his last illness and knows that he died about the time alledged in the forgoing affidavit of his Widow Elenor Hoople, and says further that he knows the said Elenor Hoople and that she has remained a widow to the present time
[signed] John Archibald
Sworn & subscribed before at Osnabruck 16 January 1854 
[signed] R K Bullock Comr Court of Queens Bench 

United Counties of Stormont Dundas and Glengary Province of Canada 
John Hoople of the Township of Osnabruck in the said County of Stormont makes oath and says that the Record in the forgoing certificate of R. K. Bullock alledged to have been copied from the Record in the family Bible belonging to Mrs Elenor Hoople is a true copy and deponent avers on his own knowledge to be the family record he deponent being the oldest son of the late John Hoople and Elenor Hoople and long acquainted with the said Bible and record. And deponent says he has traditional knowledge of the facts alledged in the forgoing affidavit of his said Mother touching the service of his Father the late John Hoople in the Revolutionary war, in Captain Finks company deponent is now sixty four years of age and from childhood remembered to have heard his father relate incidents of that service, deponent resides with his said mother, and says further that his Father died as stated in the forgoing affidavit of his said Mother and she has never been Married since
[signed] John Hoople
Sworn and subscribed before me at Osnabruck this 16 January 1854 
[signed] R K Bullock Comr of the Queens Bench
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United Counties of Stormont Dundas and Glengary Province of Canada
On this 16 day of January 1854 personally appeared before me R K Bullock a commissioner duly appointed for taking affidavits in Her Majestys Court of Queens Bench; Adam Reddick of the Township of Osnabruck in the said County of Stormont who being duly sworn declares that he is sixty two years of age was born in Osnabruck in the said county of Stormont, and has resided in that place from his birth to the present time excepting for the span of about seven or Eight years when he resided at Manheim in the County of Herkimer and State of N York, and deponent says that from his infancy he remembers and knows now the family of the late John Hoople, he the said Hoople was a near neighbour of deponents Fathers, Thinks the said Hoople  died about the time alledged some twelve or thirteen years since, knows Mrs Hoople his widow (she has never been married since the decease of her said Husband, and deponent says further that he knew in his life time Captain Andrew Fink in whose company the said John Hoople is alledged to have served during the Revolutionary war, he Fink was an acquaintance of deponents father, and about fifty years since came from the United States to visit his said Father, during the said visit he Capt Fink enquired after the late John Hoople, and stated that he served in his company, called him his “little fifer” and recollects well his having the house of deponents father with averred intention of going to see him the said John Hoople, And deponent says further that during his residence in Herkimer County he know the said Captain Fink and hand frequent intercourse with him, and in conversation he the said Fink often alluded to the circumstance of the late John Hoople having served in his company in the revolutionary war and further deponent saith not, 
[signed] Adam Reddick
Sworn & subscribed before me at Osnabruck this 16 January 1854 
[signed] R K Bullock 
Comr of Court of Queens Bench for and in said United Counties
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United Counties of Stormont Dundas and Glengary Province of Canada
On this 16th day of January 1854 Personally appeared before me Robert K. Bullock Esq a commissioner duly appointed for taking affidavits in Her Majesty Court of Queens Bench who being duly sworn declares that he is sixty Nine years of age, and for more than forty years has been a neighbour of the late John Hoople and his family, The said Hoople died some twelve or thirteen years since [illegible] as deponent can remember, and his widow Elinor Hoople is still living and since the decease of her said Husband has never been married, and further deponent saith not, 
[signed] Jacob Brown
Sworn and subscribed before me at Osnabruck this 16 day January 1854 
[signed] R K Bullock 
Comr Court of Queens Bench for said Counties 

Province of Canada 
The United Counties of Stormont Dundas and Glangary to wit
I Jacob Farrand Pringle [or Brugle?] of the Town of Cornwall in the County of Stormont one of the said United Counties Esquire a notary Public by Royal authority duly commissioned for that part of the Province of Canada formerly called upper Canada do hereby certify that Robert K Bullock before whom the foregoing testimony was taken & sworn and whose name is subscribed thereto as a commissioner for the purpose of taking affidavits in the Court of Queens Bench on & for the said United Counties was at the time of taking such testimony duly commissioned and authorised to take the same as such commissioner as aforesaid, 
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand & seal of office this twenty second day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred & fifty four 
[signed] J. F. Pringle
Notary Public
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Enlisted 12th March 1777 for war 
Mustered 5th July 1777 deserted 22d May 1780.
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1567 
For the purpose of obtaining the benefit of an Act for the relief of certain surviving officers and Soldiers of the Army of the Revolution" approved on the fifteenth of May 1828. I John Hoople now of Madrid in the County of St Lawrence in the State of New York do hereby declare that I enlisted in the Continental line of the Army of the Revolution for and during the war and continued in the service until its termination - at which period I was a musician in Captain Pearsons Company (having first enlisted and served in Captain Finks company) in the first Battallion of the Regiment commanded by Col Van Schoick (the number of which I cannot recollect) of the New York line - And I also declare that afterwards I suppose I received a certificate for the reward of eighty Dollars to which I was entitled under a resolve of Congress passed the 15th of May 1778 - although I have no distinct recollection of receiving the same – 
And I further declare that I was not on the fifteenth day of March, 1828. on the Pension List of the United States
[signed] John Hoople
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Before me George Redington a Justice of the Peace duly empowered to administer oaths in the County of St Lawrence in the State of New York personally appeared this day Henry Runions and Phillip Runion now of said County, who did severally make oath that John Hoople by whom the foregoing declaration was subscribed is generally reputed and believed to have been a Musician in the army of the Revolution in manner as therein stated 
Witness my hand this fifth day of March in the year of our Lord Eighteen Hundred and Twenty nine – 
[signed] Henry Runion  Phillip Runion X his mark
Sworn before me this 5th day of March 1829. 
[signed] Geo. Redington Justice Peace 

I James G. Hopkins Clerk of the Court of the County of St. Lawrence, in the State of New York do certify that George Redington before whom the foregoing Affidavits were sworn was at the time a Justice of the Peace and duly empowered to administer oaths – 
In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and affixed the Seal of the said Court this sixth day of March in the year of our Lord one thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty nine 
[signed] J. G. Hopkins Clerk
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[crossed out: Acts of July 14, 1862, and March 3, 1873.]

[stamp} REJECTED
5202.
P.O.
Eleanor Hoople
Service: 
Enlisted:  , 18  .
Discharged:  , 18  .
Application filed:  , 18  .
Alleges: 
Re-enlisted: 
Attorney: 
P. O. 
Recognized.   Contract.
Cert. of Dis.   Searched for  , 18  .
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No. 15,132
Eleanor Hoople
widow of John
Canada, [illegible]
Evan K Frank 22d March 1854
5202
Rejected Deserted 22d May 1780. –
Act 7th July 1838.
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OW Rej
File #5202
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John Hoople - Musician
N York Line

New York
Madrid

Ref. File No. 5.202
OK

Evidence insufficient
Act 1828.
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Washington, March 9, 1854
Hon L. P. Waldo 
Comm of Pensions 
We herewith enclose the application of Eleanor Hoople, widow of John Hoople, under act of July 7th 1838.
Very respectfully 
[signed] Evans G Fant
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Little Falls Feb 15 1854
Dear Sir
I have just recd your last letter Dated 2 Feb 1854 it was not send to the right post officer if it had been send to the Little Falls I would had it the same day it arrived
I have also recd the last one Before some time ago, Dated Jan 7, 1854 But I did not answer it, I think your case is very Clair to obtain the full pension for yours Mother for I can qualify that I heard my Father say often that John Hoppell was his fifer during this Revolutionary War and could not say any this was with truth, and I think he was with my Father at the taking St Johns, Champly [Chambly] and Montreal and also the Baddle of Monmoght, than the Army was consolladed [consolidated] Montgomry went to quebeck, he told me than for the first time he had privilidge to come home to see his Farther and mother he than was appointed Major under Col Willet to bring the Militia in order I alway understood my Father that your Father was with him untill the Army was Consolladed, I do not remember my Father to say that your Father was with him after he had leave to come home but do not know When your sister Sally was born the [war?] was often told by my Father my Brother that is near me will qualify to the same throughout he also says that thinks he saw your Father here good many years ago &c your Mothers Pension must now be [nearing?] of $1,000  I have concluded not to give up the Musterroll my children do not wish me to give up the Musterroll without Gitting pay, according as I wrote, its the
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last and only one that is left if the Musterroll goes to Washington it will never be returned Mr Phinny Could not optain [obtain] Mrs Forbush Pension untill he had my Musterroll he sent it to Washington and they never would give it up I see that Bartholamew Forbush is also on this he enlisted in 1777 20 Jany for three years 
This Musterroll my Father has sworn to Schenectady Nov 14. 1777 
A Musterroll Roll of Capt Andrew Fink Jr Company in the first Battalion of New York forces in the service of the United States Commanded by Col Goose Vanschaick, 
Your Friend,
With Respect
[signed] Andrew A Fink
John Hooppell Esqr

N. B. Remember me In Kindness to Mr Adam Reddick and all Friends of [illegible] me very sincearly yours &c
A A Fink

N. B. if it should he Nessary and help the matter along I will write to Washington to my Attorney, J. D. Woodward, Mr Garret Smith Senator Mr Seward Mr Hamilton Fish, Bishop [Corkens?] our member from this district are all Friendly to me &c
A A Fink
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1567
REVOLUTIONARY CLAIMS. 
TREASURY DEPARTMENT
7. April 1829. 
John Hoople of Madrid in the County of St Lawrence in the State of New York has applied to the Secretary of the Treasury for the benefits of the act, entitled "An Act for the relief of certain surviving officers and soldiers of the Revolution,” approved the 15th of May, 1828. He states that he enlisted in the Continental line of the army of the Revolution, for and during the war, and continued until its termination, at which period he was a musician in captain Fink's company, in the first regiment of the New York line; and that he received a certificate for the reward of eighty dollars, provided by the resolve of the 15th of May, 1778; and further, that he was not on the 15th day of May, 1828, on the pension list of the United States, and that he has received as a pensioner since the 3d of March, 1826, nothing 
The Third Auditor is requested to report how far the several statements are corroborated by the records in his office. 
By order of the Secretary 
F A Dickins 

TREASURY DEPARTMENT. 
THIRD AUDITOR'S OFFICE, 
13. April 1829. 
[crossed out: It appears by the records in this office, that a certificate for the reward of eighty dollars has been issued to   in the]   
It further appears that John Hoople is not now on the pension list of any agency, and has not been so since the 3d March 1826. 
The name of John Hoople cannot be found among those of the New York line to whom certificates for the gratuity of Eighty Dollars, were issued –
[signed] Peter Hagner Aud
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War Depart: Bounty Land Office 
29 April 1829. 
The records of this office do not show that John Hoople of the New York line ever received or is entitled to bounty land of the United States 
[signed] Robert Taylor
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Little Falls Decr 23. 1853 
Dear Sir 
Some week ago I wrote you a Letter an Answer to your last I heard from you, dated 17 Oct 1853 Please write me an answer and weather you have read it &c  I wish we had found a Musterroll with your Father Name on I see by this musterroll that my Father Beloned to to the first Battalion of New York forces In the service of the United States, Commanded by Col Goose Van Schaick
Commissioned } Novem 21, 1776 Cap Andrew Fink Jn
Novem. 21, 1776, 2d Lieut. Barthlomew Van Valkenburg
Novem. 21, 1776 Insign Jacob I. Klock

your Father 
John Hoppell Enlisted July 5, 1777 as Fifer by this Musterroll
I see by the musterroll of my Father he swore to it to be a true Coppy In [Schenectady] as did Van Valkenburgh 
I cannot see that thair can be much Difficulty in optaining your Mothers Pension I can swear that I heard my Father often say that John Hoppell was his fifer I spell the name just as it is In Musterroll he told me he had served I Number of years In his Company but how man [many] I could not Axactly say. Some forty one years I went to Canady [Canada] to see some of my [sons?] he than requested me to call on Mr Hooppels Family I did call but cannot remember seeing your Father but your sister Sally I well Remember
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I see Also In this musterroll that the Name Bartholemew Forbush is [illegible] see he enlisted the 20 Jan 1777 he has been dead long ago but through one of my Fathers Rolls some 7 or 8 years ago his widow Mrs Forbush got her Pension the first she drew was [illegible] of seven hundred dollars and she got her [illegible: Pension very often?] Please excuse my poor Inglish
Respectfully yours
[signed] Andrew A Finck 
John Hooppell Esq

N. B. Write me an answer