Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File S. 2115, John Carns, New Jersey
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Service:  New Jersey6

Carns, John

Number: S2115

Carded
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1316

OHIO
John Carnes (***letter E crossed out)
 of Butler in the State of Ohio
who was a private in the company commanded
by Captain ------ of the Reg't commanded
by Col. Shrives in the  New Jersey
line for 6 months from 1781 -

John Carns, Records corrected Dec. 3, 1903
Inscribed on the Roll of Ohio
at the rate of 20 Dollars and - Cents per annum
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831

Certificate of Pension issued the 1 day of Nov. 1832 and sent to John Woods
Hamilton, O

Arrears to 4th of Sept 1832.                30 -
Semi-anl. allowance ending 4              10
 March 1833.                                     _______
                                                              $40-
{Revolutionary Claim
    Act June 7, 1832}

Recorded by Nathan Rice Clerk
Book D vol. 10 Page 31


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Date of death not on A.B.
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The State of Ohio Butler County
Court of Common Pleas
 of the term of July A.D. 1832

On this first day of August in the year of Our Lord one thousand eight hundred and thirty two personally appeared before the honorable Judges of the Court of Common Pleas in and for the County of Butler and State of Ohio, John Cranes, aged sixty seven years, a resident of the County of Butler aforesaid, who being first duly sworn according to law doth upon his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the Act of Congress passed June seventh Eighteen Hundred and thirty-two -
   That on the first July seventeen hundred and Eighty he enlisted at Bascon Ridge Somerset County New Jersey to serve in Colonel Shreves Company's called of the second New Jersey Regiment of the New Jersey Line, on the Continental Establishment.  The officers of the Company to which deponent was attached were Ensign Israel Shreves, son of Colonel Shreves aforesaid, and Lieutenant Derrick Lane, who commanded said company - deponent was marched to a place on the North River called "The English Neighborhood" where the refugees and British had erected a block house to defend themselves in procuring wood staves and other articles - from thence deponent was marched to West Point, where he was engaged with said company in erecting and repairing forts - deponent with the company aforesaid was engaged at West Point from the middle of September until the fifth of December of the same year, when they were marched to Pumpston Plains in New Jersey, where they were engaged until the .....
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.....until the first of January of the year following in building huts for the winter's quarters - deponent served in the Company and under the officers as above mentioned six months when he received a written discharge from the Commander of the Regiment Colonel Shreves which discharge deponent has since lost.
It appears from a record left by deponent's father in the FamilyBible that deponent was born in the City of New York on the seventeenth  day of October, Seventeen hundred and sixty four - deponent has lived in the County of Butler State of Ohio for the last twenty one year. Deponent believes he can prove his services by Thomas Collier of said Butler County, and his character for truth and veracity and his general reputation as a soldier of the Revolution by Samuel Bayles John Ayres and other citizens of said County - he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the PensionRoll of any agency in any state. Deponent was as he states a resident of Somerset County New Jersey some eight or ten years next after the War, when he removed to the county of Washington Pennsylvania, where he lived between twenty five and thirty years till he removed to Butler County where he now resides.
John Carns
Sworn and subscribed the day and year aforesaid
  John Reily Clerk
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State of Ohio
Butler County

    Before me a Justice of the Peace duly commissioned within and for the county of Butler aforesaid came Thomas Collier a resident of said county who behind duly sworn deposit and saith that he was acquainted with John Carns now a resident of Butler county, during the Revolutionary War - he knows that said Carns did serve as a soldier during the War of the Revoution - deponent knows the said Carns did go out to serve for the tern of six months.
This deponent is now very aged and informed and cannot without great difficulty attend court.  He attended to make his own application being taken by his son.....
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...to court but he has no way to get to court himself this deposition is therefore made at the residence of deponent - deponent has been acquainted  with said Carns since the Revolution and knows that he has always in his neighborhood been considered a soldier of the Revolution  and that his character for truth and veracity is good and his statement entitled to credit.

Thomas Collyer

Sworn and subscribed before me this first day August AD 1832
Stephen Millikin Justice of the peace
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2372 
John Carnes
P. -?-
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The Stateof Ohio Butler County
Court of Common Pleas July Ten 1832

W O  Pierson Sayre -
   Samuel Bayles and John Ayres residing in the County of Butler aforesaid hereby certify that we are well acquainted withJohn Carnes who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be sixty eight years of age; that he is reputed and believed in the neighborhood where he resides to have been a soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that opinion and said Pierson Sayre says that he believes he did see said Carnes in the lines of the army at one time during the Revolutionary War near Springfield in New Jersey
Pierson Sayre
Sworn and subscribed in Open Court 3rd August 1832
John Reilly Clerk

   And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the War Department that the above named applicant was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states.  And the Court further certifies that it appears to them that (lines crossed out and added above) Pierson Sayre who has signed the preceding certificate and Thomas Collyer whose deposition is hereto attached are residents in the said County of Butler and are credible persons and that their statements are entitled to credit.

I John Really Clerk of theCurt of Common Pleas of the County of butler aforesaid do hereby certify the there foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court I the matter of the application of John Carnes for a pension.
   In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of Office at Hamilton this fourth day of August One Thousand eight hundred and twenty two.
John Reilly
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John Carnes
Ohio
No 2372

From 1781 six months private
$20

Hon. J. Woods.
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Brief in the case of James (written above "Jno.")
Carnes.  Butler County in the state of Ohio
(Act 7 June, 1832)

(hand written words transcribed)

1) Court
2) -
3) 67
4) Period: enlisted 12 July 1781 / 6 months / Private / served under:  Col. Shrives 2nd Regiment , Ler. Samuel Shreeve and Derrick (?) Sant (?)
5) -
6) Somerset County New Jersey
7)  One living witness and Traditionary
8) Court

Chas. Litte / Sitte Examining Clerk
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November 24, 1936

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JOHN CARNS
S. 2115
BA-J/MLB

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Mrs. Elsie Carnes Davis
12 Nutting Avenue
Amherst, Massachusetts

Dear Madam;

Reference is made to your letter of October 26, in which you furnish further information in regard to John Carn or Carns (surname variously spelled), of New Jersey, whose record you desire, and in which you furnish the following citations, John Carnes of Morris County; John Carnes of Somerset County, New Jersey; and residing in Butler County, Ohio, in 1832; John Carnes, Revolutionary War soldier of Morristown, and in which you request, also the War of 1812 record of John Carnes or Karns. of new Brunswick, New Jersey. You cite the following names of wives of John Carns: 1. Mehitable Carns; 2. Martha Carnes; 3. Gertrude Carnes, and a possible Miaram Carnes.

No claim for pension has been found based upon service in the War of 1812 of the John Carns, under any spelling, as described by you.

You are furnished herein the record of the only soldier named of John Carns, under any spelling, found in the Revolutionary War records of this office, which is identical with a description given by you. The data therein were obtained from the papers on file in pension claim, S. 2115, based upon his service in the Revolutionary War.

John Carns was born in New York City, October 17, 1764; the names of his parents are not given.

He enlisted July 1 1780, at Beaking Ridge, Somerset County, New Jersey; served as private under Lieutenant Derrick Lane in Colonel Shreve's New Jersey regiment, apent about three months at West Point engaged in creating a repairing forts and was discharged after having served six months.

John Carns resided in Somerset County, New Jersey, eight or ten years after the Revolution, then moved to Washington County, Pennsylvania, where he lived between twenty-five and thirty years, thence to Butler County Ohio.
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The soldier was allowed pension on his application executed August 1, 1832, while a resident of Butler County, Ohio. He signed John Carns.
There are no family data shown in the claim.
In order to obtain date of last payment of pension, the name a d address of person paid and possibly the date of death of John Carns, you should write to the Comptroller General, General Accounting Office, Records Division, this city, and cite the following data:
John Carns
Certificate No. 1316
Issued November 1, 1832
Rate, $20 per annum
Commenced March 4, 1831
Act June 7, 1832
Ohio Agency
Very truly yours
A.D. HILLER
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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Dec. 13 '99
Theo L. Carns
Kansas City, Mo

Jany 9 - 1900 -
  Theo L. Carns again
date of En. and Dis. and that date of death not shown.
Name (?) of soldier spelled Carns (underlined)
apply to And. Intr. Dept for date last payment

1936,Nov. 24 - Hist. to Miss Elsie Carnes Davis -  MLB

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Rev. War 2115
Invalid
File No. 2115
John Carnes (letter "e" crossed out)
Privt Rev War

Act: June. 7 1832

Index; - Vol A, Page 56

[Arrangement of 1870]

John Carns.  Records corrected Dec. 3 '03 a
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John Carnes

Note: all questions answered: YES
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XI. No clergyman
XII. NO
XIII. One living witness
XIV. YES
XV. YES
XVI. YES
XVII. YES
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable.

QUERE XIV. Proof of Service.
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company , and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the affidavits must be properly authenticated, as above directed.

QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached there to by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached ot the certificate.
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Amherst, Mass
Oct. 26, 1936

Mr. A.D. Hiller
Veterans Administration
Washington, D.C.

Dear Sir
    In answer to your letter of Oct. 10th asking for more information about the Rev. Sol. John Carr, Carns, Carnes, Kerns of Morris Co. N.J. the Adjutant General of New Jersey has sent me records of three by that name from Morris and Somerset Cos. N.J. all from the Mendham vicinity.
   As we do not know their distinctive records or wife's names we are asking you to submit all the data that you have about any John Carnes.
   Wives names were 1. Mehitable Carnes 2 Martha Carnes, 3. Gertrude Carnes and possible Miasma Carnes.  They were all of that vicinity and husband's names was John Carnes - and records incomplete .
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Their mil. records in brief:

1. John Carnes, Lieut. Capt. Dan'l Cook's Western Batt. Morris Co. N.J. Militia 1777-78

2. John Carnes Somerset Co. N.J. (same vecinity) Age 16 Pri., Lieut. Derick Lane's Co. 2nd Reg. Continental Line.  Enlisted at Basking Ridge N.J. July 1, 1780. Dischg'd Jan 1, 1781, resident of Butler Co. Ohio 1832

3. John Carnes, rec'd from Joseph Lewis, Quarter aster, Morristown, Certificate no. 968 dated May 25, 1780 for $861 60/90 for eating to the 30th of April 1780; cert. no 1029 May 31, 1780 for $1173 30/90 for carting to the 1st of May 1780; cert. no. 1778 Oct. 3, 1780 for $906 60/90 for carting to June 27, 1780.

4) War 1812 John Karns / Carns, Sgt. Capt. Hezekiah (above name: see 27954-16512)
Johnson's Co., 1st Regiment Inf. U.S. Army, enlisted at New Brunswick, N.J., May 12, 1814 for 5 years, corp etc., Dischg'd at Fort Dearborn May 17, 1819.

All records will be sent to the N.S.D.A.R. when complete.

Thanks, Mrs. Elsie Carnes Davis
12 Nutting Ave.
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Dec. 20, '99

Hon. H. Clay Evans
Commis. (?) of Pensions
Washington D.C.

Dear Sir:   I have to thank you for you favor of there 13, just giving a part of the military history of John Carns who applied for penson Aug. 1, 1832 - for services in the Revolution.
   If the records of your department show the dates of his enlistment and of his discharge, I wish you would kindly give these dates.
   In your letter, you show his name Carnes, which I presume is a clerical error. I think, if you can find his original application, you will find that he spelled it without the  "e" that is Carns.  Please inform me upon this point.
 Your letter is marked in the corner "L.W.B. 2144".

Much oblige,
Your truly
Theo L. Carns.

Post Marked: Pension Office Dec 22 1899 U.S.
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Dec. 20, '99

Hon. H. Clay Evans
Commit of Pensions
Washington D.C.

Dear Sir:  I have just mailed you a letter asking further information in regard to my great grand-father John Carns, who applied for pension Aug 1, 1832, for services in the Revolution.
    If your records show the date of his death, I would be glad to have it as we have no such record. 
     My father's best recollection is that the old veteran died about 1842-3-4.  but I suppose your records will show when his pension ceased.
 Your letter of 13,  just is marked on corner:"L.W.B. 2115".
Oblige.
Your truly,
Theo L. Carns 


Post marked: Dec. 22 1899 Pension Office U.S.
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Oct. 19, 1899

Hon. H. Clay Evans,
Commis. ofPensions
Washington D.C.

Dear Sir:  will you please give me the military record of John Carns who was a soldier in the Revolution?  I think he enlisted from New Jersey, about 1779, though I understand he was born in New York about 1763.
   He drew a pension while living in Butler Co. Ohio until 1837 ad possibly as late as 1840.  He moved to Hancock Co. Illinois and died there in the early 1840s. Much Oblige,
Theo L. Carns.
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Top Left Corner:
This Bureau can furnish the military record of only such Revolutionary soldiers as were pensioned or whose widows were petitioned for their services.
Such of the original muster and pay rolls of the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 as are now in the possession of the Government are on file in the Record and Pension Office, War Department.Original rolls and other records pertaining to service in the Revolutionary War may also be found on file in the archives of many of the original States.
O.W. & N. DIV.
REVOLUTIONARY.

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L. W. B.
I. 2115.

DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
BUREAU OF PENSIONS,
WASHINGTON, D.C.,
December 13th, 1899.

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Sir: -

In response to your recent communication you are advised that John Carnes made an application for pension on August 1st, 1832, at which time he was 67 years of age and residing in Butler County, Ohio, and his pension was allowed for six months' actual service as a private in the New Jersey troops, Revolutionary war. He enlisted from Somerset County, H.J., and served under Lieut. Lane and Col. Shreves.

Very respectfully,
Commissioner,
Mr. Theo. L. Carns,
Kansas City, Missouri.
9th & Main Streets.
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October 10, 1936

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BA-J/M.B

Center:

Mrs. Klaie Carnes Davis
12 Nutting Avenue
Amherst, Massachusetts

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your letter in which you request information relative to John Stark (Lt. Col.), of Flanders, Morris County, New Jersey, born April 1, 1733, and died in Flanders, May 8, 1825; John Stark, of Dutchess County and Albany County, New York, who received land bounty rights; John Carns (surname variously spelled) of Morris County or Somerset, New Jersey; and John Carnes of Albany County, New York, Revolutionary War soldiers.

There is no claim for pension or bounty land on file based upon service in the Revolution of a John Stark, under any spelling, as described above. Such claims are the source of Revolutionary War date furnished by this office. Your citation about land pertains to New York State grants.
In order to identify the record of the particular soldier named John Carnes of New Jersey and one of New York in whom you are interested, should they be on file, as much as possible of the following date in regard to each should be given: approximate dates of birth and death, places of residence at enlistment and after service and given name of wife or widow.

Please return these letters with your reply.

Very truly yours

A.D. Hiller
Executive Assistant
to the Administrator
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Name: Carney,  William
Grade: Private in Proctor's Artillery
Line: Pennsylvania

Warrant number: 9211

Issued July 9, 1789. to - not shown -
 notation  : "On file, not delivered"