Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File R. 3018, John Dop, New York
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(3-1776) 

SERVICE 
New York 

Dop, John
or Dops, 
or Dobbs 

NUMBER 
R. 3018 

CONTENTS
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Declaration 
In order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th AD 1832 
State of New York 
Essex County ss }
On this Twenty sixth day of September 1832 personally appeared in open court before the Judges of the Court of Common pleas now seting John Dop a resident of Westport in the County of Essex and State of New York aged Seventy four years the Twenty Seventh day of last March, who being first duly sworn according to Law doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 
That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers and served as herein stated that he voluntaryly enlisted in Captain Bains Company of Rangers under Lieutenant Jacob Simons in the latter part of the summer of AD 1776 for Eighteen months in Johnstown then in the County of Albany in the State of New York but now Montgomery County from there we marched to Stone Robby [Stone Arabia] & there stationed and from that post Ranged out & in through the woods the most of the time through the Eighteen months several times met with Torys & Indians & Exchanged some shots and at the end of the Eighteen months was discharged discharge Signed by Captain Bain which he lost soon after 
Secondly he volunteered & joined Captain Blakers Company in Colonel Ganzevorts Regiment at Fort Stanwix in a short time after being discharged from the Eighteen months service no other Regiment being on that post at that time he remained at that post during the siege & Colonel Ganzevort was about to give up the fort when Colonel Willer arrive with a reinforcement but when Colonel Willet arive the siege had continued about fifteen days exchanging shots daily & continued about three or four days after Colonel Willet arrive when the Enemy Retreated unexpectately leaving there implement with Two Brassfield pieces & some morters or Cowhorns to through Shells with - Remained near two years at fort Stanwix in the same Regiment during which time made some improvements on the Fort & kept it in repair in the time of the siege a soldier while dringing his [illegible] had the top of his
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his head taken off by a shell  he marched from fort Stanwix through Schenectady to Albany from Albany Marched to Saratoga with a part of Colonel Ganzevorts Regiment & Remained in Captain Blakers company a short time at Saratoga & then returned to Albany and remained there untill discharged 
Colonel Ganzevorts Regiment belonged to the Continental establishment in the New York line and after serving three years in the same company & Rigiment received a discharge signed by Colonel Ganzevort 
he has for several years last past made diligent Enquiry for someone that new of his service with out success that he has sent to the war office in Albany & got no Answer that the rolls of Collonel Ganzevort Regiment was not there 
he hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pention or anuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the pention Roll of the Agency of any State 
question asked by the court 
1 where and in what year were you born 
A in the [Great?] nine partner in Duches County and State of New York on the 27th day of March AD 1758 
2 have you any record of your age and if so where is it 
A I am told I was christened at Rinebeck [Rhinebeck] in said Duches County & that my name was Recorde on the Church Records 
3 where were you living when called into service where have you lived since the Revolutionary war and where do you now live 
A  when called into service lived in Johnstown and when left the service went to Rhinebeck from Rhinebeck moved to Tyburn Bucks County pennsylvania from there to Shorham in the State of Vermont then back to Rhinebeck from there to Newpals [New Paltz] in New York from that to Kenterhook [Kinderhook] in Columbia County from that to Peru in Clinton County and State of New York where I lived about ten years & moved from that to Westport last January in Essex County & State of New York where I now live 
how were you called into service were you drafted did you volunteer or were you a substitute 
Volunteered
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5th State the names of some of the Regular officers who were with the troops when you served such continental and Militia Regiment as you can recollect and the General Circumstances of your service
A. Capt Johnson Lieutenant Grigs who was scalped Colonel Willet & Colonel Ganzevort who comanded the Regiment he served in was at the siege at Fort Stanwix was on many scouts in the first [illegible] of service Generally once fortnight helped repair the fort Stanwix at one time went Volunteer & helped Build a Bridge at Ticonderoga
6 Did you ever receive a discharge from the service and if so by whom was it given and what has become of it 
A. he received two the first was given by Captain Hain a captain of Rangers - the second was given by Colonel Ganzevort and both are lost cannot recollect the particulars for did not expect ever to want them 
7 State the names of persons to whom you are known in your present neighborhood & who can testify as to your character for veracity and their belief of your service as a soldier of the Revolution 
A. Hiram Chase & Samuel Pangbourn Josiah Fisher & John B White & Joseph Bigelow 
[signed] John Dop X his mark
Sworn & subscribed this 26” day of September 1832 in open Court before the judge of the same court & before 
[signed] Leonard Siver clerk of the court of common Pleas of the county of Essex
We Samuel Pangbourn Residing in Westport Essex county and State of New York and Josiah Fisher Residing in Elizabeth Town - hereby certify that we are well acquainted with John Dop who has subscribed and sworn to the above declaration that we believe him to be about seventy four years of age that he is reputed and believed in the neighbourhood where he lives to have been a soldier of the Revolution and that we concur in that opinion 
[signed] Samual Pangborn  Joiah Fisher
Sworn & subscribed in open Court the 26th Septem 1832 
[signed] L Stow clerk of the court of common Pleas of Essex Co.
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We Frederick T. Howard of Westport Essex County and Simpson Goodspeed of the same place certify that we are well acquainted with Samuel Pangbourn and Josiah Fisher who have subscribed the within certificate on we certify that they are men of good reputation as to truth and veracity 
[signed] Fred T. Howard   Simpson Goodspeed 
Sworn this 26th day of September 1832 in open Court before me 
[signed] L Stow clerk of the Court of Common Pleas of Essex County 
And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after the investigation of the matter and after putting the interrogatories prescribed by the war department that the above named applicant was a Revolutionary soldier and served as he states and the Court further certifies that it appears to them that Samuel Pangbourn of Westport and Josiah Fisher of Elizabeth Town who has Signed the first preceeding certificate are residents in the said Towns and are credible persons and that their statement is entitled to credit 
Aigned by order of the Court  L. Stow clerk of Essex com Pleas

I Leonard Stow Clerk of the court of Common pleas of Essex County do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said County in the matter of the application of John Dop for a pension 
In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal of Office this 27th day of September 1832 
[signed] Leonard Stow Clerk

J. Dop
13.337
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13.337 
John Dop 
Essex Co N York 
desd 
Rejected 

1 Sept 78 15 apl 79

Charles Hater
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Brief in the case of John Dop of Westport of Essex County in the State of New York.
(Act 7th June, 1832.) 
1. Was the declaration made before a Court or a Judge? Open court.
2. If before a Judge, does it appear that the applicant is disabled by bodily infirmity? 
3. How old is he? 74 years.
4. State his service, as directed in the form annexed. 

[BEGIN TABLE]
Period.   |   Duration of Service. Years, Months, Days.  |  Rank.  As a  |  Names of General and Field Officers under whom he served.  Gen.  |
In 1776 & 7  |  1 Year 6 Months  |  private  |  Cap: Bain  |
&c  |  3 Years  |  private  |  Cap Blake Col Ganzevoort.  |
[END OF TABLE]

5. In what battles was he engaged? Fort Stanwix
6. Where did he reside when he entered the service? Johnstown (Albany Co. now Montgomery) N. York.
7. Is his statement supported by living witnesses, by documentary proof, by traditionary incidental evidence, or by the rolls? traditionary
8. Are the papers defective as to form or authentication? and if so, in what respect? Correct
I Certify that the foregoing statement and the answers agree with the evidence in the case above mentioned
[signed] Richard Cutts Examining Clerk.
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[crossed out: Acts of July 14, 1862, and March 3, 1873.]
3018.

[stamp] REJECTED

P.O. John Dop
Service: This soldier is the same as rejd File No 2978 viz John Dobb or Dops & deserted April 1779 from Capt. Bleeker’s Co. in Col Gansevoort regt
Enlisted:  , 18  .
Discharged:  , 18  .
Application filed:  , 18  .
Alleges: 
Re-enlisted: 
Attorney: 
P. O. 
Recognized.   Contract.
Cert. of Dis.   Searched for  , 18  .
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New York
Revo
John Dop
Rejected let Chs. Hatch 11 May ‘33
3018
Act 7 June ‘32
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John Dop
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BRIEF objections to the admission of Pension Claims, of which those answered in the negative, in red ink, will apply to the claim of John Dop which require further proof or explanation.
I. Does the declaration show where the applicant resides? Yes
II. Did the declarant make the declaration in the county where he resides? Yes
III. If the applicant did not make the declaration in the county where he resides, is there any reason assigned for his not doing so? Yes
IV. Has the declarant mentioned the period or periods of the war when he served? Yes
V. *Has he mentioned with precision the length of his service, and the different grades in which he served, in language so definite as to enable the department to determine to what amout of pension he is entitled? Yes
VI. Has he given the names of the officers under whom he served, in conformity with the regulations? Yes.
VII. Has he made a relinquishment of every claim to any other pension than the one under the Act of June 7, 1832? Yes.
VIII. Has the Court given their opinion? Yes.
IX. Has the Clerk given his certificate? Yes.
X. Is the Clerk's seal affixed? And if so, has it a device or inscription by which it can be distinguished from any other seal? Yes
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XI. Has the applicant obtained the evidence of a clergyman and another respectable citizen as to their belief respecting his age and the general belief in his neighborhood relative to his revolutionary service? no
XII. If the clergyman's affidavit has not been produced, is there any reason assigned for not obtaining it? on
XIII. If the applicant has no documentary evidence, and has not obtained the testimony of at least one living witness, has he stated in his declaration that such proof cannot be had? yes
XIV. If the applicant's name is not found on the rolls of military service, has he produced a witness or witnesses as to his service? no
If he has produced direct proof as to service, has the magistrate who administered the oath, certified to the credibility of the witness or witnesses? yes
Has the proper officer certified to the official character and signature of the magistrate as the regulations direct? yes
XV. Does it appear from any of the papers that the witness was in such a situation, or of such an age, as to have a personal knowledge of the applicant's service? no
XVI. Are the papers authenticated as the regulations direct? yes
XVII. Are the seven interrogatories prescribed by the War Department answered satisfactorily? And, if not, which of them is not so answered? yes
EXPLANATORY NOTES. 
*QUERE V. In a case where the applicant cannot, by reason of the loss of memory, state precisely how long he served, he should amend his declaration by making an affidavit in the following words: Personally appeared before me, the undersigned, a Justice of the Peace, &c. A. B. who, being duly sworn, deposeth and saith, that, by reason of old age, and the consequent loss of memory, he cannot swear positively as to the precise length of his service, but according to the best of his recollection he served not less than the periods mentioned below, and in the following grades; For___ year ___ months, and ___ days, I served as a ___ For ___ months and ___ days, I served as a ___ and for such service I claim a pension.
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It is important in all cases to determine with precision the period for which each applicant served, and the particular rank he held, as the law directs the pension to be paid according to the grade of the pensioner and the length of his service. The use of the phrase about three or four months is too indefinite, and all such qualifying expressions are objectionable. Some persons who apply for pensions merely state they served two years in the militia, &c. without specifying the tours; the names of the officers, and other particulars respecting their service. This form of a declaration is highly objectionable. It must in every case be clearly shewn under what officers the applicant served; the duration of each term of engagement; the particular place or places where the service was performed; that the applicant served with an embodied corps called into service by competent authority; that he was either in the field or in garrison; and for the time during which the service was performed, he was not employed in any civil pursuit. 
QUERE XIV. Proof of Service 
In a case where the name of the applicant is not found on the records of the Department, he must prove his service by two credible witnesses, who are required to set forth in their affidavits the time of the claimants entering the service, and the time and manner of his leaving the same, as well as the regiment, company, and line to which he belonged. The magistrate who may administer the oaths must certify to the credibility of the witnesses, and the official character and signature of the magistrate must be certified by the proper officer, under his seal of office.
QUERE XVI. Mode of authenticating papers.
In every instance where the certificate of the certifying officer who authenticates the papers is not written on the same sheet of paper which contains the affidavit, or other paper authenticated, the certificate must be attached thereto by a piece of tape or narrow ribbon, the ends of which must pass under the seal of office of the certifying officer, so as to prevent any paper from being improperly attached to the certificate. 
In every case where the clerk of the court, or other certifying officer, has no public seal of office, the certificate of a member of congress, proving the official character and signature of the certifying officer, should accompany the papers.