Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 8450, John Hudlar, N.C.
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(3-1776)
Service Number
NC Hudlar, John W. 8450
Messer, Nelly Former Widow
Contents
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Set to Hom JR Underwood 16 Aprl 52
S. Smith 22 July 53
5053
Kentucky
Nelly Messer former widow of John Hudler who dies in the year 1800 of Madison in the state of Ky (MC) who was a private in the company commanded by captain - of the Reft commanded by Col. In the Revolution for 2 years
Inscribed on the Roll of Louisville at the rate of 80 Dollars 00 cents per annum, to commence on the 4th day of March1 1831
Certificate of Pension issued the 4th day of September 1857 and sent to gnl. M. 
Arrears to the 4th Present Semiannual allowance ending
{revolutionary Claim Act July 4, 1836 Section the 3rd}
Recorded by HP. Wrightness Clerk Book D. Vol. 2. page 409
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Nelly Messer
Submitted by D Breck. H. Besse
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Nelly Hudlar was Born Oct the 8th 1757. the above [illegible] Oct the 10th 1777. Married in Trenton N Carolina
State of Kentucky,
Rockcastle County SS.
on this the 26th day of August AD. 1860. before me Alfred Somith the undersigned is Justice of the Peace we then a for the County & State aforesaid personally appeared Isaac May a resident of said County aged sixty-three years on the 1st day of September next after being first duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following affidavit in support of the claim of Nelly Messer of Madison County Kentucky for a pension under act of July the 4th 1836 for the revolutionary service of her first husband John Hudlar decd. States that he is a son of Esther may who hath given her affidavit in this case that he was born in James County State of N.C. and after several years residence there they moved to Rowan County N.S. and from thence they moved to the State of Kentucky. that he has been personally acquainted with the said Nelly Messer from his earliest recollection up to the present time. that her first husband John Hublar deceased was reputed and generally believed in his neighborhood to have served several years in the revolution. That he had often hence heard to what company & regiment he belonged but has now forgotten that he recalls that I was always said he served under Genl Morgan & General Green and belonged to the Continental Line of North Carolina that I was always said that he served upwards of five years. that he had always been informed that the said John Hudlar and Nelly Messer
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The aforesaid was married in Trenton State of North Carolina on the 10th day of October in the year Seventeen Hundred and Seventy-seven 1777. That he has known the annexed record of their marriage for many years although he has not seen it for several years & hath forgotten that he had it but since the application of the said Nelly Messer, she informed him that she delivered the said record to him with other papers several years sine and on an exanimation he found the said record which he readily recognized that he believes the said record  to be the original and that it is correct that to that best of his knowledge it is written in the handwriting of his father before his death according to the direction of the said John & Nelly Hadler. that the saif John and Nelly Hadlar never had any children that the said Kohn Hadler & Nelly his wife always lived and cohabitated together from his earliest recollection as man and wife to the date of the said John Hadlar's death in the year 1800. That after the death of the said Haldar Nelly his Widow married a man by the name of Asa Messer with whom she lived until the year 1830. at which time he died that the said Nelly had never since remarried and is now living. that there is not a shade or shadow of a doubt with him, but the said Nelly Messer is honorably and legally entitled to a pension for the service of her said husband John Hadlar Deceased. 
Sworn to and subscribed before me the day or date aforesaid. A, Smith W Isaac May
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I Alfred Smith a Justice of the Peace within and for the county of Rockcastle in the State of Kentucky do herby certify that Isacc May this day personally appeared before me in said County and swore and subscribed to the forgoing affidavit understanding I further certify that the said Isacc may is a man who supports a good character for veracity & that I believe this forgoing affidavit contain the truth given under my hand this this the 26th day of August 1859 A. Smith J.F
State of Kentucky Rockcastle County
I as Terril Clerk of the County Court of said County do hereby certify that Arther Smith who had signed the foregoing certificates is an was t the time of signing the same and acting Justice of the Peace within and for the County aforesaid duly authorized to administer oaths according to laws and that the forgoing signatures purporting to be his are genuine In testimony whereof I hereunto subscribe my name and affix my seal of office at MT Vernon on this 26th day of August 1880
James Terrill Clerk
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State of Kentucky Madison County.
On this the 4th day of July 1850. Before me Adam Rogers the undersigned a Justice of the Peace in & for the County of Madison and state aforesaid personally appeared  Mar 8 Nelly Messer a resident of sate County aged Ninety years. After being first duly sworn according to law. doth on her oath made the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress. passed July the 4th 1836. granting pension to certain widows, and any other acts which provide for her. States. That she is the widow of Asa. Messer deceased and of John Hudlar deceased. That her first Husband the said John Hudlar was a soldier in the army of the Revolution that he entered the service of said war in or near Jones County State of N Carolina in the early part of the war and served several years in the continental line at or near to the state of the war. That she is now very old and her memory has become very much impaired so much so that she is unable to state the names of all the officers under whom he served & all the various other particulars of his service but as well as her memory served her, he served under Genl Washington and part of his time under Genl morgan and Genl Green. & others not now recollected. and that he was in the Battle of Guilford Cowpens Moors. and various other not now recollected she further declares that she was married to the said John Hudlar deceased.
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On the 10th day of October Seventeen Hundred and seventy-eight. (1778). in Trenton jones County N Carolina by Esqr Weber. that her said husband (John Hudlar) died in Jones County aforesaid sometime in the year 1800. that she was afterwards married to Asa Messer That he is also dead that he died in the year Eighteen Hundred and Thirty (1830) that she is now a widow having remained so ever since the death of her said husband. That her said Husband John Hudlar deceased. never applied for a pension & that she has never before made any application for a pension being informed that she was deprived of the right in consequence of her second marriage but as she is now widow * being recently informed that her said marriage is now no bar to her claim she is come to make this application though time had deprived her of mech valuable and important testimony. she trusts she the department by reference to the proof hereunto annexed and accompanying the application and the rolls of the continental line asto which she respectfully , refers will find evidence sufficient to Justify them in placing her name on the roll of Revolutionary Pensioners under the act of congress passed on the 4th of July 1836 as aforesaid as a widow of one who served over two years as a private in the revolution as she is certain her said husband John Hudlar deceased served five years or more as a private in the continental line of N.C. as afore said,
Sworn to and subscribed the day and date above written before me Adam Rogers Ho
her Nelly Messer mark
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State of Kentucky Madison County, SS
On this the 4th day of July 1850 Before me the undersigned a Justice of the Peace in and for the county of Madison aforesaid. Personally appeared Mrs. Ester May. a resident of said County aged Eighty-five years after being first duly sworn according to law doth on her oath make the following affidavit in the matter of the application of her sister (Nelly Messer) for a pension to with that she is the sister of the foregoing - declarant (Nelly Messer) that she was   born in Jones County State of North Carolina in the year 1765: that she moved there many years & moved to Rowan County N.C. and lived there several years & then moved to Kentucky. Madison County where she now lives that she was personally acquainted with John Hadlar deceased husband of her sister the said Nelly. from her earliest recollection to the time of his death that he was married to her said sister at Trenton in Jones County North Carolina (by one Weber) in the year Seventeen-Hundred and seventy-seven. (1777) that she recalls the date of their marriage from her age as her mother informed her at the time of the marriage of her said sister Nelly that her mother said "Now Esther you must fix up your time next: you are twelve years old that's as old as i was when i was married. that the said John Hadlar and her sister the said Nelly lived together and cohabitated as man & wife and was reputed as such from the
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Time of their marriage up to the date of his death in the year 1800 except the time he was in the service pf the revolution. which was some four or five years as near she can recollect that as it has been over fifty years since the death of the server John Hudlar she is not now able to state all the various particulars of his service which she has often heard him relate but as near as she can recollect he entered the service of the revolution in or near Jones county State of north Carolina in the early part of the war & served some four or five years as a private in the Continental line under Genl Washington part of the time & part of the Time under Genl Morgan and Genl Green. and others not recollected that he was in the Battle of Moors Creek Guilford and various others which she has forgotten that if he ever had a discharge he lost or destroyed it as he was a drunken workless kind of a man and took no care of anything. That after the death of the said Hudlar- her sister the said Nelly was married to Asa Messer that he died in the year 1830. that her dais sister has remained a widow ever since that she is now living is very old poor & needy& she is not able to help her being in the same condition very near. that they are both now living together having no man to provide for them being both widows.
Sworn to and subscribed the day and date aforesaid Before me Adam Rogers
her Esther May mark
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I Adam Rogers the undersigned a Justice of the peace in & for the county of Madison in the State of Kentucky do herby certify that Mrs. Nelly Messer this day appeared before me at her residence in said County and sworn and subscribed by making her mark to her forgoing Declaration after I had read at to her with a full understanding of its contents. I further certify that she is a lady who supports a good character for veracity, and I believe her declaration to be True and I further certify that from age and bodily infirmity she is unable to attend Court. 
I further certify that Mrs. Ester ay this day personally appeared before me at her residence in said County and sworn to her forgoing affidavit understandingly after I had read it to her and subscribed to it by making her mark in my presence I further certify that she is a Lady of good character morally and her character for veracity is good and that I am certain her foregoing statements are true to the best of her knowledge and or belief. and that I believe her sister the said Nelly Messer is entitled to a pension. 
given under my hand this the 4th day of July 
Adams Rogers
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State of Kentucky, Madison County SS
I JM Shackelford Clerk of the County Court of Madison County aforesaid do hereby certify that the foregoing Declaration of Mrs. Nelly Messer and the affidavit of Mrs. Esther may was this day exhibited in open Court approved of by the Court and ordered to be certified to the war Department I further certify that Ada rogers who has signed the foregoing certificates is and was at the time. of signing them an acting Justice of the Peace in and for the County of Madison aforesaid duly authorized to administer oaths according to law and that due regard is paid to his officer acts. as wells out of as in court and that the forgoing certificates purporting to be his genuine in witness whereof, I hereunto subscribe my name and affix the seal of my office at my office in Richmond this the 7 day of October in the 58th year of the Commonwealth.
JM Shackelford Clerk
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Rey Widow, &c.
File No. 8450
Nelly Messer for Wid of John Hudlar Pir, Rev. War
Act July 1836 Sed, 3rd
Index:- Vol. M, Page 42
[Arrangements of 1870.]
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W Cole will be good enough to examine the within letter addressed to the Hon. Mr. Thorton of the Senate refer to the Pension therein referred to for the for the power of Attorney alluded to. In such a power pled
the case of Nelly Messer widow of John Hudlar was on the 4 Dept 1831, allowed under the act of 4 July 1836 at $80 per annum from the 4 March 1831- amounting to the 4 Sept 1851 to 1640$- the certificate was sent to Genl McCalla,
The vouchers & power of Athy upon which the money was paid are filed in the office of the third auditor of the treasury
Respectfully
S. Cole 
Commissioner
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Richmond FFB AB K,Y
[illegible]
we will look at Pension Case referred to & see if there are of Att Powers
Return this letter
Hon. JB Thornton U. I. 
Washington City
FAFE
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No 7.6.7.6
Nelly Messer Formally wed to John Hudlar Ky.
Act 4th July 1836
Hon D, Breck Hossr Feb 10th 1857
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McCala Communicated K
Nelly Messer Formally wed of Hudlar, John, Ky
act 4 July 1836. 
2 years $80.00 per ann: Commencing 4 March 1831
Cut to J N. McCallla
 Presant
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Brief in the case of nelly Messer, formally widow of John Hudlar, County and State of Kentucky act
Claim, ("original," or "for increase.")
Proof exhibited, (if original.)
Is it documentary, traditionary, or supported by rolls? If either, state the substance. Proof of service, Record, of Marriage, Documentary.
(if for increase.) Has additional evidence been filed since the admission of the claim? If so, what?
Name and resident of Agent. J.M. McCalla Present
F.F. Kily Examining Clerk.
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Trenton J.C. October 2nd 1837
Dr Sir, your favor of July last ceremony One Dollar came to hand also yours of august last and the 20th ults were received in due time. and should have answered you immediately after having delightfully searched this of five several times I cannot find a marriage bond or other evidence as to the marriage of John Hudlar and nelly Messer the marriage you say took place in Trenton in the year 1776. 1777 or 78 that was before Jones was entered into a County it was then Craven County I contemplate lest going to Newburn in a few days after I made the same here in office and intended to get Mr. Jo G Stanley the Clerk of Craven County Court to make a search for the same but was prevented going on account the indisposition of my family and have since been from the same cause and seeing no our going then think I could confide in to perform that duty for me. therefore, had delayed thinking that I Could get the business arranged and send it to you.- There was a person named Weber that lived in this place that has been dead pervious to my removing to the County and say cannot say whether he was an acting Justice for Jones County or not. I Herewith enclose to you the Dollars sent in July last
Very Respectfully yours Oft Servt Charles Gerick
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Newbern No: Cov:
Dec 4th A.D. 1852
Mr. Jaes F. Fish
For I received by last mail your favor of 18th Nov 1850 asking information which I gave in reply to your first letter which I presume you for have not see of. I have searched the files in the County Court office for a marriage license bond of John Hudlar and although they reach a date as early as 1777 John's license bond is not to be found - it is therefore probable that instead of obtaining a marriage licenses he preferred the other legal mode. by publication of the laws- there is no record of marriage in Cavern County (excepting such as may be found in some of our Churches and those of recent date) and I do not believe there is to be found one public record of marriage in the State of No: Ca: I would therefor with [illegible] suggest that you can resort to the next best evidence & prove by some [illegible] in Jones County the first of this you want.
Respectfully your
J.F. Stanly
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Newbern No: Carolina
Nov 9th 1850
Mr. James S. Fish
Dr Sir
I know of no marriage records in any of the public offices of this sense. our laws require a license issued by the clerk of the County Court or the publication of the bond by our minister of the Gospel and most of our clergy kept records of the solemnization of the marriage. but there now generally lost when the minister changed. the files of bonds given by [illegible] contemplating marriage in Carver County ae complete from 1779 to this day. I have examined then but find no bond of John Hudlar to authenticate a marriage with Nelly Messer the names are then of the Citizens of Jones County, and I doubt not but there are a many old persons about Trenton who could prove that they lived together as man and wife.
very respectfully yours
J.G. Stanly
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The County Department
Third Auditor office
July 27th, 1853
Sir
I [illegible] the letter of JO John Smith. received from you must of late of the [illegible] the latter it models you if moment him inquired whose copies of all the voucher who's which the same of $2.645. the pension of nelly Messer make first. It may be purported further to state for Mr. Smith's information, that no additional names appear on the original papers upon which the money [illegible]
very respectfully
from out of sight
F Burt
third auditor
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L. P. Waldo 
Commissioner of Pensions
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[illegible]
G. P. Heath Esq
Comm of Land Office
Washington
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Senate Chamber 14 March 1852
Sir
I have viewed a letter from a constituent asking for information in regard to the following matter which is important he should have forthwith It is said a lady names Messer probably living in Rockcastle County Recently obtained a pension in right by her husband though a Mr. .Fish as her agent attorney. he has paid her %500 only of the money received when it is said he obtained $1640 & a suit is now pending between them. the information desired is to the amount actually paid to Hish. the above is all since extract from my confidents letter. he does not give me dates on the first names or residence of the parties
a steady answer if requested
Respectfully,
J, R. Underwood
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Richmon Rept
Recd June 29 1853
J Speed Smith
Rel the claim of Nelly
Messer for back pay,
The Hon. Secretary of the interior
Washington City
Respectfully referred the he Commissioner of Pensions for special attention and immediate answer.
Dept inth:
June 29/53
G Whiting Clerk
Cole
29June 1853
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Richmond Ky.
Sir, From two years or upwards since a pension was allowed Nelly Messer of Madison County ky. for the service of her husband in the war of the revolution and a certificate for back pay of $1640. Her claim was attended to a certain James J Fish who paid her $580 only. she is very old & wholly incapable of attending to Business. Her committee has and Fish and as none of her Friends know of any power of Attorney having been given by her to Fish the [illegible] to be little entertained of land and strong face of forgery- by whom "committee, if any, is the object of this letter, to [illegible] if practicable. will you be good enough to lend an aiding land in this matter by directing an examination of the files of your office and information 
1st to whom the power of attorney purports to have been made.
2nd has the Power been shifted from our name to another on the face
3rd Have any if any what alteration have been made on the face
4th have any internation been made & different land uniting or the far of the papers
It May be necessary in the purporting of matters to have that power of attorney before the Dut. Court of Kentucky.
there is a less of men hunting up throw claims & often up porting & establishing them , it is fraud by perjury and then Cheating them old women by the foulest means out the claim.
Congress should require those power of Atto. to be recorded in the County Court of pension or the County in which the Pension office is Located. Please attend to conduct at an early day. 
very respectfully,
Speed Smith Esq.
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Castle Union five. 16.53
My dear Sir, you was good enough, when I saw you in Lexington not long since, to promise your attention to some particular business - office business, in the city for we. now to the true a pension. with back pay, was allowed some two years since to Mrs. Messer of this County. her can was purported by Mr. Fish of Rockcastle County. Fish drew her back pay, from the pension office at Louisville amounting to $1620. by W. Josslin. He paid to Mrs. Messer -(I believe her name is Nelly) $520 only & kept the balance. He nor her Friend know anything of a power of Atto. to either Fish or Joplin to draw the money. but she is very old and may have given Fish a power of Attorney. it in which ais coming from Josslin that Fish presented his power of attorney to the pension office in Louisville and was told it was insufficient that who was drew the money had to take an oath that he was entitled to no part of the money - that he then attained the power of attorney in Joplin instead of himself and Josslin told me himself that he drew the money than gave it to him. now I want you to in the Power of Atto. let me know all about it. the Clerk of aur County Court Barn, says that power was never brought back to any change. Now I may want that power - and I upon it could be had by leaving a certified copy - otherwise a forgery might go on unperceived - if Fish has been guilty of one. Be Particular
Now again, Joseph Hirsle forwarded his statement for
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County Court, last fall was a year. there was [illegible] a little printed note - about as long as a funeral ticket to be patient - it would be promptly attended to in its turn. Now I have heard of several applications made long since Fish's and warrant returned long ago. the evidence of Fish: service are in the war department an he enlisted into the regular service and has given the name of his enlisting and regimental officers. I nor other persons who know him doubt his wok must or his oath. all we have yet heard from the department tho waiting with great patience - was the little ticket. Were I a U.S.S this thing should be done. July on you.
Now my good sir - in the third place - the question is not settled here - this I suppose it in as Washington who is instilled to bounty land the enlisted or person who hers & pays him that has possession of the discharge. let me know the opinion of the secretary of Interior as I have a personal friend [illegible] of knowing - and shouch.
In the fourth place - Send me the trial of Pillow in Mexico & any pamphlet speeches you can get old of conveniently. present my best wished to Genl. Scott and tell him what I told you in Lexington. In the last part below. Should you make and big speeches in the Senate - send me a copy. 
P.S. & N.B Give my address to some members of Congress from the proper state out ask it as a particular favor to you to send copies of their Homestead Laws of their states. I will require not attention to any of them. your friend J. Speed Smith
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August 20th 1857
John Hudlar att
Revolution pension
Widows claim
additional proof
Nelly Messer
is the widow of
John Hudlar
Cap Deplets
H. S. Evans
Jn M McCalla
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State of North Carolina
Comptroller's Office August 16th. 1851
I William J. Clarke Comptroller of public accounts in and for the State aforesaid do hereby certify that it appears of accord in said office among the payments made by said state to sundry persons on account of military services in the Revolutionary War as follows to wit
Bork "AA." journal of Commissioners of Army accounts appointed under the act of Assembly passed July 23rd, 1783, to settle accounts up to January 12th, 1782, page 15 "allowed John Hudlar for pay and deficiency of clothing to 12th January 1782 including interest to 12th august 1783 186 S6 D7.
Journal B of Commissioners appointed to settle the account of North Carolina against United States No.996 John Hudlar Private $526.16.
It also appears by Rolls and Returns in said office that John Hudlar enlisted during the War as a Continental Soldier on the 24th day of June 1779 and that John Hudlar was in Rendezvous at Kingston under Lieutenant John McNees 3rd. N.C. Regiment July 3rd, 1779.
In Testimony whereof I have Hereunto subscribed my name and affixed the deal of said office the day & year above written.
Wm. J Clarke Comptroller
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June 6th 1853
John Hudlar Claim
Revolution Soldier
N. Carolina
Proof of service by certificate of Comptroller N,C
N M
Cap Triplett
will you please to see Nelly
Jn M Mccalla
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State of North Carolina
Comptroller's Office,
I William J. Clark Comptroller of Public accounts in and for the State aforesaid do hereby certify that it appears of record in my office in Book "B Statement of the accounts of the Noncommissioned officers and privates of the North Carolina line in the late army of the United States as passed upon by the Commissioner of Army accounts "No. 995 John Hudlar, private was paid by the State $526.16 it is also stated that his account was for the War.
It also appears Book No. 30 Folio 19 that said John Hudlar was paid for military services $187 Sh DY. (One Hundred and eighty-seven pounds six shillings and seven pence. It also appears by the return of J. Glasgow Colonel of Dobb Regiment to Governor Caswell dates July 6. 1779 that John Hudlar enlisted on the 24th of June 1779 for the war and by the return of liet John McNees 3rd Regt N.C. that John Hudlar arrived at Rendezvous in Kingston N.C. July 3. 1779. 
In testimony whereof I have hereunto subscribed my name and affixed my seal of office the 2nd day of June 1851. 
Wm. J. Clarke Comptroller