Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Application File W. 8517, for John Pipes, New Jersey
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New Jersey

Pipes, John
Mary

NUMBER
W. 8517
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Kentucky 2479   to Agent
Repo by letter 28th of September , 1843

Mary Pipes, deceased - widow of John Pipes who died on the 6th August, 1821-
of Mercer County in the State of Kentucky
who was a Lieutenant in the company commanded by Captain Wade of the Regt. commanded by Col. Dayton in the New Jersey
line for 15 months and 7 days
Increased from $130.88
---
Inscribed on the Roll of Kentucky
the rate of 203 Dollars 11/100 __ Cents per annum, 
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1834. & ending 12th November 1841, the day of her death -
Certificate of Pension issued the 27th day of November 1843 -- and sent to H.H. Sylvester present

Arrears to the 4th of
Semi=annual allowance ending

$2170.03
Revolutionary Claim,
Act July 4, 1836,
Section the 3rd

Recorded by Netterind  Clerk
Book C  Vol. 3  Page 196


right side:  Repo by letter to Agent 28th of September, 1843___

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2916
Mary Pipes
Revolutionary Claim
admitted
St. from Dec 23, 1776
to Oct 30, 1777
$136.88

Act 4 July 1836

Hon J. Harlan
H P
Geo L [illegible]
Harrodsburg, Ky
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On this third day of November in the year 1837  ______
personally appeared before me Charles F. Burton, Justice of the 
Peace for the state and county aforesaid, and one of the Judges 
Of the Mercer County Court. Mary Pipes, widow and
relict of John Pipes who was a Lieutenant and Captain during the 
war of  the Revolution who being first duly sworn in order to obtain 
the benefit of the provisions made by the Act of Congress passed 
July 4, 1836. That she is the widow of the said John Pipes and 
seventy seven years old, that she was married to the said John Pipes
in month of August, in the year 1777 or 1778.  She was then in her
in her seventeenth year, he the said Pipes was on furlow from 
Washington's Army, then encamped at Elizabethtown. 
Several officers of the Regiment to which he belonged were at the wedding, among them, among them were Captain Wade, Lieutenant Horn, and my uncle Joseph Morris, who was wounded in the Battle of Brandywine and died of his wound and was buried with honours of war. He held the 
commission of Major. Mr. Pipes was then acting under the commission
of lieutenant, during service in New Jersey, he was sometimes
attached to Cummen's and Dayton's Regiment--before his marriage. 
Mr. Pipes commanded a company and was in the battle of Ticonderoga.
He served one year and received his discharge. He then joined the army 
of Genl. Washington and was in actual service with him for two years 
as a regular his regiment were
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were nearly all killed up and they had more officers than                                           they wanted, and he was offered to return home at half pay, but he refused to do so. This offer was made to him by General Washington in person. Sometime in the year 1779 or 1780 he received an honorable discharge and they removed to North Carolina where his father then lived and joined the army under Gates and Green, not as a Regular but subject to regular draft as a minute man.
Her husband John Pipes was in sixteen battles during the war of the Revolution. She will further attest that she has had by her said husband John Pipes, eleven children, four of them were born before husband's services closed in the war of the Revolution. Then is second Evidence of his service in New Jersey she knows it to be the fact that he served (2) two years as Lieutenant and (1) one year as Captain. She further attests that her said husband departed this life on the 6th day of August 1821, and that she has remained a widow ever since that period as will more fully appear by reference to the proof hereto annexed.
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid in the presence of witnesses.
________________
(Signatures_
Peter Harmon                    
Mary (her mark) Pipes
D. Bolling
N. B. his commission and discharge have long since been lost. She forwards a piece of old money her husband received for his services.
Mary (her mark) Pipes
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The affidavit of Peter Harman and David Bolling taken at
the same time and place the affiants being of lawful age
and first duly sworn according to law state that they
have been personally acquainted with old Mary
Pipes widows of John Pipes dec’d. from the space of forty years
or more that they were intimately acquainted with
old Capt John Pipes in his life time for a number of years
and they know the fact that he was reputed and believed
by all who knew him to have been a soldier and
an officer in the war of the Revolution and they
further state that the sd Mary Pipes is the widow and relic
of the said John Pipes and a highly credible person.
sworn to and subscribed
this day and year afsd
              Peter Harman
              David Bolling
State of Kentucky )
Mercer County  ) Sct.
                       I, Charles F. Burton a Justice of the 
Peace for the state & county aforesaid and one of the judges 
of the Marion County courts do hereby certify that the
foregoing declaration of Old Mary Pipes and the affidants
of Peter Harman and David Bolling were taken, sub-
scribed and sworn to before me at my office in the town
of Perryville this 3rd day of November in the year 1837.
And I further certify that the said Mary Pipes, Peter Harman,
and David Bolling are highly credible persons.
Given under my hand & seal the date afsd.
              
C. F. Burton, J.P.M.C. [seal]
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State of Kentucky
Mercer County 
I Thomas Allen Clerk of the Court for the County do certify that Charles F Burton Esq whose name is subscribed to the within Certificate is an acting Justice of the peace and one of the Judges of the Mercer County Court duly commissioned and qualified and as such full faith and credit is and
ought to be given to any of his official acts as such

In Testimony whereof I have here unto set my hand and seal of Office this 6th day of Nov 1837.
Tho Allen

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V 2916
Mary Pipes
Revolutionary Claim
Admitted
St. from Dec 23.1776
to Oct 30.1777
# 136.88

Act 4 July 1836
Hon J. Harlan
HP
Harrodsburg, KY
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State of New Jersey Morris County
Before the subscriber, a Justice of peace in & for said County
personally appeared Reverend Orlando L. Kirtland, well known to me personally to be the settled minister and Pastor of the Presbyterian Church & Congregation in Morristown in said County who being first duly sworn according to law saith on oath it follows, viz:  I am the stated Pastor of the Presbyterian Church & Congregation in Morristown, & as such, have free access to the Records of said Church. Upon examining the record of Marriages which were solemnized by my predecessor the Reverend Timothy Johns
D.D. who was Pastor of said church during the war of the revolution, and for many years
before and after said war, it appears that John Pipes & Mary Morrison were intermarried
by Doctor Johns, on the twenty third day of August, seventeen hundred & Seventy seven.
The entry is made in the Book of Records of said Church, at page number 49 in letters which are very plain & legible, & which are as follows:

1777. Aug. 23 John Pipes & Mary Morris

The preceding line is an accurate & true copy in the figures & letters of the original entry which I verily believe is recorded in the hand writing of my said predecessor the Reverend Timothy Johns, D. D. then Pastor of said Church.
Sworn & subscribed at Morristown New Jersey this 18th day of December,1838
Before me Elijah Ward Jr.  Orlando L. Kirtland

New Jersey, Morris County
I, David B. Hurd Clerk of said County hereby certify that Elijah Ward Esq before whom the above deposition of Revd Orlando L. Kirland was taken and subscribed,  is a justice of peace in and for the county of Morris duly commissioned and authorized, and that the signature of his name thereto (Elijah Ward) is genuine.  
In testimony whereof, I hereunto subscribe my  name and affix the seal of my office at Morristown, this 20th day of December, Domini 1838.
                                          David B. Hurd, Clerk
                                          B. W. Hamichael
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Mary Pipes
Dec’d
15 mo. 7 dys
$203.11 from
4 Mar 31 to 12
Nov. '44 – deducting
what has been 
paid
To Peter Harman 
admr. of Mary Pipes 
dec’d
H. H. Sylvester 
   Present
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At a Court held for Mercer County
at the Courthouse in Harrodsburg on
Monday the 5th day of December 1842

Satisfactory proof was this day made in Court by the Oaths of Michael Harman and Nelson Crane that Mary Pipes late a pensioner of the United States and enrolled on the Kentucky
Agency departed this life intestate on the 12th November 1841 and left the following Children Viz 
Nathaniel P. Morris
William Pipes 
Elizabeth Harman
Jane Harman
Polly Jones 
Rebecca Gris
Nancy Gray & 
Sally Pipes 
and it was further proved to the satisfaction of the Court that Peter Harman has Administered according to the laws of said State the estate of the said Mary Pipes and he is now acting as such.
.
State of Kentucky
Mercer County SS. 

I Thomas Allen Clerk of the Court for the County do certify that the foregoing Order
of Court is truly copied from the records
in my Office

In Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal of Office this 28th day
February 1843
Tho Allen Clk
Mercer County Court
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Harrodsburg (Ky) 14th November 1842

To Col J. L.  Edwards Commissioner of Pensions

Your petitioner, the Heirs of Mrs. Mary Pipes Deceased, a pensioner on the roll of the Kentucky agency and widow of John Pipes Deceased, would respectfully state that since the death of their mother that they have reason to believe that record evidence of their Fathers services during the revolutionary war
can be procured which will show that he was in
service for a much longer period than what he had credit to in the allowance made to their mother as a pensioner.

And for this purpose they have employed Lewis Condict Esqr of Morristown N.J. as their agent in connection with their former
agent Chr Cherins of this place to procure and forward for your inspection such evidence as they may think advisable.
And your petitioners on such further evidence being filed with you conceive it to be their right to have a just compensation for the services rendered by their deceased Father John Pipes up to two years first deducting what their Mother has already received.

Your petitioners would further suggest if consistent with your rules that should a certificate be issued in their favour that it be made payable to Mr Peter Harmon the Admin
of their Mother's Estate, which would be much
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to the interest of the Heirs as they are much scattered

And your petitioners will pray
Chr Chrimes
Agent for the Heirs of Mary Pipes
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Washington November 3, 1931

Mrs. Karl F. Winkler
1712 South Street
Lexington, Missouri

Dear Madam:

Reference is made to your letter relative
to Mary Pipes, widow of John Pipes a soldier of
the War of the Revolution.

The data furnished herein are obtained from
the papers on file in the pension claim, W.8517, based upon the military service of John Pipes in the Revolutionary War.

John Pipes was captain of a company of New
Jersy troops in 1775 and was in the battle of Ticonderoga, and served about one year. He was lieutenant under Captains Seeley, Wade, Colonels Martin, Cumming and Dayton in the New Jersey troops, and served until in 1780. He then moved to North Carolina, where his father lived (name of his father
not given), and was a minute man.

It is stated that he was in sixteen battles,
Ticonderoga being the only name given.

He married, August 23, 1777, in Morristown, New Jersey, Mary Morris. He was home on furlough from the army, which was then encamped at Elizabethtown.

He died August 6, 1821.

His widow, Mary, was allowed pension on her application executed, November 3, 1837, at which time
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she was living in Mercer County, Kentucky, and was aged seventy-seven years.

She died in Kentucky, November 12, 1841.

She stated that she had eleven children, the
following are the only names given, and they survived their mother- Nathaniel P. Pipes, Morris Pipes, William Pipes, Sally Pipes, Elizabeth Harman, Jane Harmen, Polly Jones, Rebecca Grisim, and Nancy Gray.

Peter Harman administered on the estate of the
widow, Mary Pipes.

Very truly yours

A. D. HILLER
Assistant to Administrator
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PIPES, JOHN  New Jersey W.F. 8517

The document described below was presumably removed from this case file by the Bureau of Pensions for exhibit purposes. Following transfer to the National Archives of Accession 616 (Revolutionary and 1812 Wars pension and bounty land records), it was found among other papers undoubtedly extracted by the Bureau of Pensions from case files for exhibit purposes. The document is now among others in a collection of
papers segregated because of unusual, interesting or valuable nature.

One Continental bill of $60.

Dorothy J. Hill
March 26, 1942
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Department of the Interior
BUREAU OF PENSIONS
OFFICE OF COMMISSIONER

Widow of John Pipes
File No 8517

$60 Continental Currency note-
Mr Bryant

APR 2 1904

This note was placed in the Pension Bureau Exhibit La Purchase Exposition

T. D Yeager
Representative
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Pension Bill Department

Please send me record of John Pipes is given in
deposition of Mary Pipes of Boyle Co. Ky.

Aug 2 1920

Respectfully,
Mrs. N. D. Currithers
1937 Frankfort 
Louisville, Ky
[stamp]
Aug 2 1920
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Just this the only one
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Mary Pipes 
widow of John
Kentucky
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Suspended
See let. 29th 
Nov 38 Jas Taylor


Act of July 1836
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Kentucky 2479

Mary Pipes
widow of John Pipes decd.
who died on the 6th August 1821
of Mercer Co. in the State of Ky.
who was a Lieut in the Compy commanded
by Captain Wade of the Regt commanded
by Col Dayton in the N.J.
line for 10 months & 7 days

Inscribed on the Roll of Ky.
at the rate of 136 Dollars 88 Cents per annum,
to commence on the 4th day of March, 1831.

Certificate of Pension issued the 14 of Jan
1839 and sent Hon
J. Harlan H of Repo.

Arrears to the 4th of Sept 1838 $1026.60
Semi-annual allowance ending 4 Mar 39,
68.44
$1095.04
Revolutionary Claim,
Act July 4, 1836,
Section the 3

Recorded by DD Addison Clerk,
Book A Vol 20 Page 179  
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let to h Chs Chinn Feb 20 43
same March 24. 1843
H H Sylvester April 10th 43
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Mary Pipes
Widow of Jno \ Ken.

No 2916 recd 18 Nov 1837

Papers sent by G. L. Waugh
at Harrodsburg Ken.

Enquiry respecting papers, made by
James Taylor, Harrodsburg, Ken.

His letter filed with papers of
Elizabeth Morris recd at Pen off.
Nov 3 1838.
W
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In reply to your request of _____ , received ____
for a statement of the military history of John Pipes
a soldier of the REVOLUTIONARY WAR, you will find below the desired information as contained in his (or his widow's) application for pension on file in this Bureau.      W File 8517

DATES OF
ENLISTMENT OR
APPOINTMENT.
1775

LENGTH OF
SERVICE.  During the War
1 yr
2 yrs

RANK
Capt
Lieut

OFFICERS UNDER WHOM SERVICE WAS RENDERED.
Captains  
Seeley (p. 355)
 Wade

Colonels
Martin
Cumming
Dayton

STATE.
N.J.
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Battles engaged in sixteen - Ticonderoga the only one mentioned
Residence of soldier at enlistment  ___
Date of application for pension,  Nov 3 1837   Allowed.
Residence at date of application, Mercer Co., Ky
Age at date of application, 77
Remarks:  Sol. mar. Morristown, N.J., Aug 23, 1777; Mary Morris.
He died Aug 6, 1821. She died Nov 12, 1841, Ky, leaving the following ch - Nathaniel P. , Morris William Pipes, Elizabeth Harman, Jane Harman, Polly Jones, Rebecca Grisim, Nancy Gray, Sally Pipes.

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Only John Pipes not John Minsor (Windsor) Pipes.
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Revolution
WIDOW, &c.

FIle No. 8517
Mary Pipes
Wid of
John Pipes
Pvt, N.J. line
Act: July 4th 36, Sec 3d
Index: -- Vol. M, Page 128
Arrangement of 1870.

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1909 Nov. 12. History to
May Pierson Comegys
1912 Sept. 25. Hist. to Seth
Thompson D.S.C. per a
1920 Sept. 21 Hist to Mrs. W. D
Carrithers

1924 Nov. 15. Hist. to Mrs
Norman Fox []

1931 Nov 3 - Hist to Mrs Karl J
Winkler

1933 Mar 9. Mrs. Norman Fox adv
no ref made to wid. parents, etc.
A. D. Y.

1939 June 12. hist to
Mrs. Chas. Looney 
Aug 1940 -  Feb 10 Mrs Chas Looney 
adv no Jun  inf - [  ]
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Harrodsburg 3d March 1843

Dear Sir

Enclosed you have the Certificate of the Clerk of Mercer County showing the Children of Mrs Mary Pipes decd widow of John Pipes Decd

I am urged by the Children to say to you that they would much prefer (should they be entitled to any thing) that the Certificate should be issued payable to the Administrator, as the Children are much scattered and in different States.

I am Respectfully
Your Obt Servt

Chr Chinn


Col I L Edwards
Commissioner of Pensions
Washington City
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Postmark
Record Division
Nov 8 1909
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Shreveport, La
Jn. 1 / 09

Commissioner of
Pensions Wash. D.C

My dear Sir:-

Does the name of John Winsor or Windsor Pipes show upon your Revolutionary Record?

I have reason to believe he was a Rev soldier
from Philadelphia
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US Pension Office Nov 6, 1909

and any information upon his record of service
of enlistment will be much appreciated.

The said John Windor Pipes was my maternal grandparent and I am in search of his Rev. record.

Very respectfully
May Pierson Comegys
1754 Irving Place
Shreveport, La.
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Ashville N.C.
Feb 24 1933

Veterans Administration

Will you please see if Mary Morris Pipes of Mercer Co Ky Claim, W 8517 mentions the name of her father or brother - I am anxious to know who her parents were - her pension claim is in Rev and 1812 war section. Was he from Basking Ridge New Jersey?

Will you please give me the Rev War record of Nathaniel Morris of Basking Ridge New Jersey also married 1st Rebecca Bailey Jun 21st 1750  - 2d Aug 24 1763
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Hope still Word - This man may have 
moved to Surry Co later as I find that 
one of his name[s] with other members the
family moved there. Please give all family listed names.
I would like any information that 
can be given that concerns these people.
Sincerely Margie Graham Fox

Mrs Norman Fox,
64 Turner Ave.
Asheville N.C.
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Harrodsburg, Ky 13th July 1842

Dear Sir

Pardon me for again addressing you respecting the pension claim of the Heirs  of Mary Pipes Decd widow of John Pipes Decd.
Some of the heirs live about 15 miles distant and they urge me in regard to the prospect
of their success.

In yours of the 26th April you desired I should
have a declaration made by the heirs or some of them and filed with the Commissioner of Pensions at Washington City. In my answer of the 8th of May which I presume came safe to have informed you that I had attended to that business long since, and I think there is no document which is necessary to be sent from here but what has been attended to.

Sir when I commenced this letter I intended it for Lewis Condict Esqr But on examining his letter I find that he has requested me to address you for information respecting the above claim, therefore I hope you have it in your power by this time to give some
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favourable information. Mr Condict in his last letter stated that he was certain of success so far at least of furnishing evidence of five months [] service of Lieutenant John Pipes performed in 1776, Mrs Mary Pipes in her life time always contended that her husband had performed service before marriage and that she did not get pay for as much service as he performed after Marriage. But I suppose you have given this claim a full examination by this time and can form a pretty accurate opinion.

An early answer will be thankfully acknowledged by
Your Obt Humble Servt
Chr Chinn
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H. H. Sylvester, Esq.
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Hon. Lewis Condict
22 Mar 1862
W. Pipes
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H. H. Sylvester Esq

Dr Sir
A pension has heretofore been allowed to Mary Pipes, widow of John Pipes late of the Rev. Army. She died in Kentucky & Chr Chinn Esq. of Harrodsburg, has requested me to forward any proof relating to rank or service of Pipes, & to solicit in his behalf for the benefit of the heirs whatever additional allowance might equitably claimed. 

I enclose to your case, a Document, which I
desire you will present to the Commissioner of Pensions, for the above purpose, as circumstances will not permit me now to [] home.

It is my belief from information, that Pipes was promoted to a Captain & served most probably throughout the war.

Will you, in my stead, ask a revision of the case, claiming for the benefit of the heirs, all the testimony which can be gathered from
public records in any of the Departments?

Very truly
Yr. obt serv

Lewis Condict

Morris Town, N.J. March 22d., '42.
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Harrodsburg (Ky) 14th November 1842

Dear Sir
Enclosed you have the petition of the heirs of
Mrs Mary Pipes late a pensioner on the roll of the Kentucky agency.

The heirs have been informed that their Father John Pipes was more than two years in service and part of the time held the commission as Captain, they think if this turns out to be a fact that they are entitled to such an amount as
their Mother would have received up to her death first deducting the amount she has received.

I also enclose you the evidence of the time of her death and the person appointed as her Administrator and if it shall be required will forward evidence of the Children of Mrs. Mary Pipes then living at the time of her death.

Your Obt Sevt
Chr Chinn

Col. I. L. Edwards
Commr of Pensions
Washington City
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House of Representatives
January 9th 1839

Sir
Inclosed you herewith evidence
of the marriage of Mrs Mary Pipes in
1777.

Your early attention to this case will
oblige me. The certificate can be enclosed either
to me, or James Taylor Esq Harrodsburg Ky.

I am very Respectfull
Your Obt St
J. Harlan

Col. I. L. Edwards
Com of Pensions
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AUG 9 1961
The Honorable
Thruston B. Morton
United States Senate
Washington 25, D. C.

WC-8 517
PIPES, John 
3072/213B

Dear Senator Morton:
The records of John Pipes are located in the National Archives, Washington, D.C. We have requested the records and upon their receipt we will furnish you with a complete report.

Very truly yours,
[Signature]
N. J. McMillan 
Acting Manager


JCL
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[Postmark]
Received Aug 4 1961
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Received
Aug 7 1961
Chief, Section Division
VBO, Wash DC 3072
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THRUSTON D. MORTON
KENTUCKY
United States Senate
WASHINGTON. D.C.
August 3, 1961

Dear Sir:
I enclose self-explanatory correspondence concerning a $60.00 Continental bill which one of my constituents is interested in having transferred to the Kentucky Historical
Society at Frankfort.
Mr. Robert Bahmer, Acting Archivist of the United States, wrote to me on June 27 that this matter had been referred to the Veterans Administration.
Would you be so kind as to let me know if any further action hos been taken on this matter and if such a transfer is possible.
I look forward to hearing from you.
With all good wishes, I am
Sincerely yours,
[Signature]
Thruston B. Morton

Manager
Veterans Benefits Office
Veterans Administration
Munitions Building
Washington 25, D. C.

TBM:4:rb 
enclosure
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National Archives and Records Service
Washington 25, D.C.

June 27, 1961

Honorable Thruston S. Morton
United States Senate

Dear Senator Morton:

In your letter of June 2, 1961, in behalf of Mr. C. B. Pipes, you inquired about the possibility of having $60.00 Continental bill sent to the Kentucky Historical Society.

The question whether such an item submitted in evidence to support an application for pension is private property and returnable is one that relates to the previous administrative handling of the case. I am therefore referring your letter to the Veterans Administration for appropriate action.

Sincerely yours
[Signature]
Robert H. Bahmer

Acting Archivist of the United States

Address
Dr Wayne C. Grover
Archivist of the U.S.
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[Insignia]
KENTUCKY SOCIETY
Sons of the American Revolution
Lexington, Kentucky
May 26, 1961
Hon. Thruston B. Morton, 
Senate Office Building, 
Washington, 25, D. C.

Dear Compatriot Morton:
If it will not be too much inconvenience, I want to ask a favor of you.
When Mary Pipes, the widow of my Revolutionary War ancestor, filed her application for a pension in 1837, she did not have his discharge, which had long ago been lost, so she forwarded a piece of Continental Money, a $60.00 bill, as evidence of his services. The bill is still in the Archives in Washington, D. C.
Several years ago, the National Society of the S.A.R. advised me to get possession of this old bill, if possible. Also, Mrs. Arthur J. Burk, genealogist for the S.A.R. sent a photocopy of the bill to me.
The major portion of Lieutenant John Pipes' service was in New Jersey. However, he and his family migrated to North Carolina in 1780, and from there to Kentucky in 1795. John Pipes and Mary Morris Pipes are buried in a country church cemetery in Boyle County, Kentucky, approximately five (5) miles west of Perryville.
What I would like to do if possible, is have this $60.00 bill transferred to our own Kentucky Historical Society at Frankfort, Kentucky.	

Enclosed are photocopies of the following:
1.	Abstract of Pension Application of Mary Pipes.
2.	First page of letter from Mrs. Arthur John Burk.
3.	Copy of old bill of 60 Spanish Milled Dollars.
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[Insignia]
KENTUCKY SOCIETY
Sons of the American Revolution
Lexington, Kentucky

Hon. Thruston B. Morton
Washington, D. C.
May 26, 1961
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I have mentioned this to Compatriot Walter A. Wentworth, President of the Kentucky Historical Society and Mr. Wentworth advised me to contact you in regard to it.
Any investigation that you may have made, or any advice that you may be able to give me in regard to this matter will be greatly appreciated.

With best wishes.
Sincerely yours.
[Signature]
C. B. Pipes
Treasurer, Kentucky Society
Sons of the American Revolution
P. O. Box 619
Lexington, Kentucky

CBP/hfb
Enclosures
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[Illegible]
Rev. War
ABSTRACT OF [ ] APPLICATION OF JOHN PIPES - WIDOW, MARY
State of Kentucky
Mercer County

On this third day of November in the year 1837 ______
personally appeared before me Charles F. Burton, Justice of the
Peace for the state and county aforesaid, and one of the Judges
of the Mercer County Court. Mary Pipes, widow and
relict of John Pipes who was a Lieutenant and Captain during the
war of the Revolution who being first duly sworn in order to obtain
the benefit of the provisions made by the Act of Congress passed
July 4, 1836. That she is the widow of the said John Pipes and
seventy seven years old, that she was married to the said John Pipes
in month of August in the year 1777 or 1778. She was then in her seventeenth year, he the said Pipes was on furlow from
Washington's Army, then encamped at Elizabethtown. Several officers
of the Regiment to which he belonged were at the wedding, among them,
among them were Captain Wade, Lieutenant Horn, and my uncle
Joseph Morris, who was wounded in the Battle of Brandywine and died
of his wound and was buried with honours of war. He held the
commission of Major. 
Mr. Pipes was then acting under the commission of lieutenant, during service in New Jersey, he was sometimes attached to Cummen's and Dayton's Regiment--before his marriage, Mr. Pipes commanded a company and was in the battle of Ticonderoga. He served one year and received his discharge. He then joined the army of Genl. Washington and was in actual service with him for two years as a regular. His Regiment were nearly all killed up and they had more officers there than wanted, and he was offered to return home on half pay, but he refused to do it. This offer was made to him by General Washington in person.  Sometime in the year 1779 or 1780 he received an honorable discharge, and they removed to North Carolina where his father then lived and joined the Army under Gates and Green, as a regular but subject to regular draft as a minute man. Her husband, John Pipes was in sixteen (16) battles during the war of the Revolution.
She will further state that she has had by her said husband, John Pipes, eleven (11) children, four (4) of them were born before her husband's services closed in the War of the Revolution.  Then is second evidence of his service in New Jersey. She knows it to be fact that he served two (2) years as Lieutenant, and one (1) year as Captain. She further states that her said husband departed this life on the 6th day of August 1821, and that she has remained a widow ever since that period as will more fully appear by reference to the proof hereto annexed.
Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid in the presence of witnesses. 
Peter Haman (Signatures)
D. Bolling
MARY (her mark) PIPES
N.B. His commission and discharge have long since been lost. She forwards a piece of old money her husband received for his services.
MARY (her mark) PIPES
PENSION ALLOWED - For 10 months and 7 days service ($136. 88 per annum)  Act of July 4, 1836
MARRIAGE RECORD -  John Pipes and Mary Morris were married Aug 23, 1777 by Rev. Timothy Johnes - Morristown, Morris County, New Jersey
MARY PIPES died November 12, 1841 -  left the following children:
Nathaniel P. Pipes   Morris Pipes    William Pipes   Elizabeth Harman   Jane Harmon   Polly Jones   Rebecca Grisim   Nancy Gray   Sally Pipes

Peter Harmon, Administrator
of estate of Mary Pipes
February 21, 1842
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Mrs. Arthur John Burk
The Chamberlain Apartments
1425 Rhode Island Ave. NW
Washington 5, D. C. 

March 10, 1961

Dear Mr. Pipes:
First, I want to acknowledge the receipt of the Genealogy of GRAY, PIPES, HARMON, and thank you for sending, or rather, having it sent to me. If I had had it to start with, it would have saved me much time in making a search. I would not have gone over so much ground that has been done by others.

However, it contains many surprises to me. I have known, or know many people mentioned in it from Sullivan, Linn, and other Counties in N. E. Missouri, also know Miss Ethel Hook very, very well, even had a class or two with her at N. E. Missouri State Teachers College which is my home and where I sent my absentee vote. (Kirksville)

I have not been able to cover the two items had in mind in my card to you, the first of this week. I went up to the right place for information, and by the time I DID reach it, the department was closing. I had an errand out to the Library of Congress yesterday, and planned to get back to the Archives today, but I have caught a drippy cold as a result of the extreme changes of weather of the past three days with such strong winds, I am staying in.

I received your letter (copy) to the General Society of the Cincinnati, today, and have decided to send you the little I have gleaned thus far, so you may have the use of it, and if I find something further, I will send it later.

As I wrote you I have had a photostat of the piece of money that Mary Morris Pipes sent to the Commissioner of Pensions as the only proof she had of her husband's service. It might be well for you to point out to the Society that her statements made in her application for a pension were MADE UNDER OATH. The Judge of the Court always attests to the validity of the clerk's right to sign the deposition taken before the Court involved, as is required by all Court of Record. The importance of such procedure is stressed in the TV shows (notably the Perry Mason show).

Mary Morris Pipes states she knows FOR A FACT that her husband, John Pipes served one year at Ticonderoga and received a discharge, and then served the two years "under General Washington."

Please find the photostat of the "old money" that I persuaded the General Services to make. I was told that such material is never returned as it is proof or part of proof of the service that was being applied for. I guess it will take an Act of Congress to get it removed from the National Archives in order for you to present it to the Kentucky Historical Society as you suggested. The Archives retains only originals of anything, though family Bibles sent for proof of marriage in lieu of court evidence, have been returned but heirs must show proof of right of possession. You might consult your Congressman about "this piece of old money," of 60 Spanish Milled Dollars, for it is not on exhibition at the Archives but buried there.

Now, in your pursuit of proof for membership in the Cincinnati, I am pointing out the date on this old piece of money -- Sept. 26th, 1778,
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RECEIVED N
OCT 10 1961

OCT 6 - 1961
Dr. Wayne C. Grover
Archivist of the United States
National Archives and Records Service
Washington 25, D. C.

PIPES, John 
WC-8,517
3072/21

Dear Doctor Grover:
In view of the personal interest of Honorable Thruston B. Morton, United States Senator, in the case of John Pipes, a Revolutionary soldier, I am forwarding his file for your personal consideration.
Your attention is invited to the request that the $60. Continental bill contained in the file be released to the Kentucky Historical Society. We have agreed that the bill may be released on a loan basis.
In his letter of October 2 addressed to this office by Mr. C. B. Pipes, a descendant of the veteran, he stated that the Kentucky Historical Society would accept this exhibit on a loan basis. The President of the Society, by letter dated September 26, stated that the arrangements which we proposed were satisfactory to that Society.
Sincerely yours.
[Signature]
GEORGE L. HOLLAND 
Manager

WC File Attached
SIGNED and DISPATCHED
OFFICE OF MANAGER
OCT 6 1961
VETERANS BENEFITS OFFICE
WASH. D. C. 3072
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OCT 6 - 1961

Mr. C. B. Pipes, Treasurer
Kentucky Society, Sons of the	
American Revolution	
Post Office Box 619 Lexington, Kentucky

PIPES, John
WC-8,517
3072/21

Dear Mr. Pipes:
Thank you for your letter of October 2. I am pleased that the suggested arrangement regarding the $60. Continental bill which we have on file in the case of John Pipes is satisfactory to you and the Kentucky Historical Society.
Arrangements are being made to have the file of Mr. Pipes delivered to the National Archivist for completion of the loan agreement. I feel that this document will be of great interest as an exhibit from historical and educational standpoints.
Very truly yours, 
[Signature] 
GEORGE L. HOLLAND 
Manager

SIGNED and DISPATCHED
OFFICE OF MANAGER
OCT 6 1961
VETERANS BENEFITS OFFICE
WASH. D. C. 3072

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Oct 4 1961
Vets Benefit Office of Manger

VETERANS. ADMINISTRATION 
VETERANS BENEFITS OFFICE
1961 OCT 5
ADJUDICATION OFFICER
att. R.3060
10-6-61
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[Insignia]
KENTUCKY SOCIETY
Sons of the American Revolution
Lexington, Kentucky

October 2, 1961

Mr. George L. Holland, Manager
Veterans Administration
Veterans Benefit Office
Munitions Building
Washington 25, D. C.

Re: PIPES, John 
WC-8,517 3072/21

Dear Mr. Holland:
Reference is made to your letter of September 12, 191, addressed to Senator Thruston B. Morton in regard to a $60.00 Continental bill, printed in 1778 and submitted by Mrs. Mary Pipes, widow of John Pipes, in support of a claim for pension, based on the service of her husband, John Pipes, during the American Revolution.
In the third paragraph of your letter, you mentioned the possibility of
releasing this bill to the Kentucky Historical Society on a loan basis, with
title to same remaining in the Federal Government.
In view of the fact John Pipes has other living descendants and it would
be almost impossible for me to locate all of them, I believe the loan agreement would be the better plan.
Enclosed is a letter signed by Mr. W. A. Wentworth, President of the Kentucky Historical Society, in which he states the Kentucky Historical Society is prepared to receive the bill under loan from the Federal Government and make it an historical exhibit on display to the public and provide adequate protection for its preservation.
I certainly hope this arrangement can be worked out expeditiously.
Very truly yours,
[Signature]
C. B. Pipes, Treasurer,
Kentucky Society, Sons of the
American Revolution
Post Office Box 619
Lexington, Kentucky

CBP:mhd	
Enclosure - Cited above.
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Oct 4 1961
Vets Benefit Office of Manger

VETERANS. ADMINISTRATION
VETERANS BENEFITS OFFICE
1961 OCT 5
ADJUDICATION OFFICER
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KENTUCKY HISTORICAL SOCIETY
FRANKFORT, KENTUCKY
September 26, 1961

PIPES, John 
WC-8,517 
3072/21

George M. Holland, Manager
Veterans Benefits Office
Veteran Administration
Washington 25, D.C.

Dear Mr. Holland:
Your letter addressed to Senator Thruston B. Morton, under date of September 12th, regarding the request of Mr. Charles B. Pipes that a $60 bill, which appears to have been printed in 1778, be made available to the Kentucky Historical Society, has come to our attention. This Society shall be very glad to receive, display, and protect this article if it is placed in the custody of the Society.
The Society is chartered by the Legislature of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. One of the provisions of the Charter is as follows: "The Kentucky Historical Society shall collect, maintain and preserve authentic records, information, facts and relics connected with the history of the Commonwealth and the genealogy of her peoples; and promote a wider appreciation of the American heritage, with particular emphasis on the advancement and dissemination of knowledge of the history of Kentucky. The Society may receive and hold by donation or devise, real or personal property to any extent and may, by gift, loan, purchase or otherwise hold books, papers, documents, historical memorials, and any other articles suited to promote the objects of the Society in the Old State Capitol Building, but all such property shall be held in trust for the Commonwealth of Kentucky according to the terms of acceptance." 
The Society has a particular interest in holding and displaying this $60 bill because of its unique character and because the connection with a Revolutionary patriot who migrated to Kentucky, lived here and is buried within the state.
The Society is prepared to receive it under loan from the Federal Government as is suggested in your letter, make it an historical exhibit on display to the public and provide adequate protection for its preservation.
Respectfully yours.
/Signature/
W. A. Wentworth
President

WAW/lsk
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SEP 12 1961

The Honorable
Thruston B. Morton
United States Senate
Washington 25, D. C.

PIPES, John
WC-8,517 
3072/21

Dear Senator Morton:
Mr. Charles B. Pipes, Treasurer, Kentucky Society, Sons of the American Revolution, has written you concerning the possibility of obtaining for the Kentucky Historical Society a $60. bill which has been in the possession of the Veterans Administration and its predecessors since 1834. This bill, which appears to have been printed in 1778, was submitted by Mrs. Mary Pipes in support of a claim for pension, based on the service of her husband, John Pipes, during the American Revolution. One corner of the bill is torn, and it is not presently required by the Veterans Administration for evidentiary purposes. Obviously, if the bill is genuine and there is nothing of record to cast doubt upon its authenticity, it is valuable, both intrinsically and historically.
This Revolutionary soldier and his wife had eleven children, and Mr. Pipes states that he is one of their descendants. Doubtless, there are other descendants still living, and it is possible that their wishes regarding the release of the bill may conflict with the desire of Mr. Pipes.
The circumstances of this case are unusual, and I have considered the possibility of releasing this bill to the Kentucky Society, provided satisfactory arrangements can be made to effect that purpose. In this connection, I would appreciate a statement as to whether the Society would accept this bill on a loan basis, with title to same remaining in the Federal Government. If this arrangement is satisfactory, upon receipt of notice to that effect, I will explore further the question of whether there exists a legal bar to such an agreement.
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Please accept my assurance that we are very anxious to extend you every possible cooperation in this matter.

Very truly yours,
[Signature]
GEORGE L. HOLLAND 
Manager

SIGNED AND DISPATCHED
OFFICE OFMANAGER
SEP 12 1961
VETERANS BENEFIT OFFICE
WASH D. C.  

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Rev. and 1812
War Section.

November 15, 1924

Mrs. Norman Fox,
144 Montford Ave.,
Asheville, N. C.

Madam;
I have to advise you that from the papers in the Revolutionary War pension claim, W. 8517, it appears that John Pipes, in 1775 was Captain of a Company of New Jersey Troops and was at the battle of Ticonderoga, he was a Lieutenant under Captains Seeley and Wade, Colonels
Martin, Cumming and Dayton in the New Jersey Troops and served until in 1780, when he moved to North Carolina, where his father lived (father's name not stated), and stood as a Minute Man.

It is stated that he was in sixteen battles, Ticonderoga being the only one named. He died August 6, 1831.

Soldier married in Morristown, New Jersey, August 23, 1777, Mary Morris, she was allowed pension on her appli-

[handwritten text below the letter text]
While on fur[lough] from the army which was then encamped at Elizabethtown NJ.
Her uncle Maj Joseph Morris  was wounded [] and died of his wounds.
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cation executed November 3, 1837, while a resident of Mercer County, Kentucky, aged seventy seven years.

She died in Kentucky, November 12, 1841, leaving the following children- Nathaniel P., Morris, William, Sally, Elizabeth Harman, Jane Harman, Polly Jones, Rebecca Grisim, Nancy Gray.

Respectfully,
Commissioner.

[handwritten notes]

11 chil[dren]

Admin[istrator]
Peter Harman
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March 9, 1933
XXXXXXXxxxxxxxx
BA-J/ADY 
John Pipes 
1.8517

Mrs. Norman Fox,
64 Fenner Avenue,
Asheville, North Carolina.

Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter relative to Mary Morris Pipes, widow of John Pipes a soldier of the War of the Revolution.
In the papers on file in Revolutionary War pension claim, W.8517, no reference is made to the parents of Mary Morris Pipes, nor does it appear that she ever resided in Basking Ridge, New Jersey.
The Revolutionary War records of this office fail to afford any information in regard to pension or bounty land having been claimed on account of the services of Nathaniel Morris as described by you.
Very truly yours.
A. D. HILLER
Assistant to Administrator.
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Lexington, Missouri.
October 13, 1931.

Department of the Interior
Bureau of Pensions
Revolutionary War Department
Washington, D.C.

I have been advised that upon request you will
furnish Pension Record of Revolutionary soldiers.
I desire complete record with any other material
available on the following;
Mary Pipes,
John Nelson (Ensign)
Name of county
Mercer,
Fayette
Date of Pension  
June 1, 1840,
Apr 30, 1818
State  Kentucky
Date of pension
June 1, 1840.
April 30, 1818.

Thanking you for any information which you may send me, I remain
Sincerely yours,

Mrs. Karl F. Winkler
1712 South Street
Lexington, Missouri.
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Asheville N.C.
Oct 28th 1924

Acting Commissioner

Dear Sir -

Will you please make a copy of the Revolutionary War record of Lieutenant John Pipes of North Carolina. The papers are in File no 8,517 Revolutionary War. I have to have a copy made by you to complete my papers for D.A.R membership.

I will appreciate the above very much.

Mrs. Norman Fox
144 Montford Ave
Asheville N.C.
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Box 18, Station H 
New York City 
April 13, 1939

United States Pension Bureau
Washington, D. C.

Gentlemen:
Will you kindly furnish me with the pension record of:
John Pipes, W8517, N.J
-------
who died in Mercer County, Kentucky, in 1821? If possible will you confirm the name of his widow, Mary Morris, and give me the names of his children, and state also whether any of them were minors at the time of their father’s death?
I am particularly interested in establishing the name of one of his children, Sally Pipes, wife of John Copeland.
Thanking you for the foregoing information, I am
Very truly yours,
Mrs. Charles Looney

IML:AD

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RECEIVED 
Apr 17, 1939
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June 12, 1939
Mrs. Charles Looney
Box 18, Station H
New York City
BA-J/AWF 
John Pipes 
w. 8817

Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request information in regard to John Pipes, War of the Revolution, pension claim, W. 8517.
The data furnished herein were obtained from papers on file in claim for pension, W.8517, based upon service of John Pipes in the War of the Revolution.
The date and place of birth of John Pipes, and names of his parents were not stated.
John Pipes was captain of a company of New Jersey troops in 1775, and was in the battle of Ticonderoga, length of service one year. He was lieutenant under Captains Sealey, Wade, Colonels Martin, Cumming, and Dayton with the New Jersey troops, was discharged about 1780, having served two years. He then moved to North Carolina, where his father lived and was a minute man under General Gates and Greene. — It was stated that he was in sixteen battles during the Revolution, only name given was Ticonderoga.
John Pipes married August 23, 1777, in Morristown. New Jersey, Mary Morris; he was home on furlough from the army, which was then encamped in
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Elizabethtown.
John Pipes died August 6, 1821, place not shown.
His widow, Mary Pipes, was allowed pension on her application executed November 3, 1837, at which time she was seventy-seven years of age, and living in Xercer County, Kentucky. The date and place of her birth and names of parents are not given.
She died in Kentucky, November 12, 1841.
Reference was made to eleven children of John Pipes, and wife, Mary, the following are the only names given, all of whom survived their mother:
Nathaniel P. Pipes, Morris Pipes, William Pipes, Sally Pipes, Elizabeth Harman, Jane Harman, Polly Jones, Rebecca Grisim, and Nancy Gray.
Peter Harman administered on the estate of the widow, Mary Pipes. Michael Harman was of Mercer County, Kentucky, in 1043. It was not stated that they were related to the family.
Joseph Norris, uncle of the widow, Mary Pipes was a major in the Revolutionary War, and died of wounds received in the battle of Brandywine.
The papers on file in this claim contain no further discernible data in regard to family.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER 
Executive Assistant to the Administrator
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February 10, 1940

Mrs. Charles Looney	     BA-J/AWF
Box 18, Station H
New York City

Dear Madam:
Reference is made to your letter in which you request the Revolutionary War record of Captain or Major Joseph Morris of New Jersey, Captain or Lieutenant John Pipes of New York, and private John Shepard who served in the North Carolina troops.
There is no claim for pension on file based upon service in the Revolutionary War of a John Shepard, or other spelling, who served in the North Carolina troops.
The record is furnished you herewith of Joseph Morris, and the Revolutionary War record of Jonathan Ford Morris, which may be of interest to you.
This office has no further information in regard to John Pipes, than was furnished you June 12, 1939.
Very truly yours
A. D. HILLER Executive Assistant 
to the Administrator

[Handwritten note]
See her letter in Joseph Morris W2539- 400A- major
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24.320
       15
1620
  322
4800
4800
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Return of Officers fit for duty in Col. Martin's
Regiment made the 5th day of October A.D. 1776.
x         x        x         x
of Capt. Seely's Company
John Pipes 1st Lieut.
x         x        x         x

The above is a true & just return of the Officers in Colo Martin's Regiment made
the 5th of Oct 1776.
John Seward Capt
Commandant

A true extract from the original in Dept. of State
M. W. Dickins
Keeper of the Archives
June 2d 1841

Returns on various
subjects Vol. 3
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24.320
       15
1600
322
4800
4800
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WAR DEPARTMENT
REVOLUTIONARY CLAIM

I certify that in conformity with the law of the United States, of the 4th of July 1836 Mary Pipes deceased, who was the widow of John Pipes a Lieutenant in the Revolutionary War was entitled to a pension at the rate of $203 [0/100] commencing on the 4th March 1831 and ending on the 12th of November 1841 - the day of her death, which will be paid upon the production of the proper vouchers, to
Peter Harman, Administrator of said Mary Pipes decd after having deducted the amount already paid her.

This pension has been increased from
$136.88 per annum.

Given at the War Office of the United
States, this 27th day of September one thousand eight hundred and forty-three

Examined and
Countersigned

Secretary of War

Commissioner of Pensions
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No 2479
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Mrs. Pipes' evidence
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Chr Chinn, Esqr
Single sheet
Harrodsburg Kentucky
Chi Chinn
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Hon. Harlan
HR
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Morristown N. Jersey, Dec 20th, '38

Dear Sir,
Your letter of 23d Oct. last was put into my hands by the postmaster at this place requesting me to answer its inquiry re:
Had I seen it when it was opened here, you would have been in possession of the certificate several weeks earlier.
I immediately applied to the Clergyman for the old Marriage Records found the entry precisely as stated by Mrs Pipes, & now forward to you a certified copy from the record which I doubt will be deemed sufficient evidence by Commissioner Edwards, who has heretofore seen several from the same source.
-
Joseph Lewis & Edward Lewis, mentioned by Mrs. Pipes, have been dead several years. Rebecca Hill is unknown to me.

If evidence of the service of John Pipes be needed, and you can give me the the number of his Regmt -- the names of his Colonels, Major, probably I may by inquiry & examination of living witnesses & search of records be able to find some.

The five dollar bill you mention, will be amply sufficient to pay for a Magistrate & Clerk as well as to compensate me for my time and trouble. You may perhaps more safely remit it it to one of Representatives in Congress, requesting him to pay it to Hon J. P. B. Maxwell of the H. R. from this State, mentioning to him, that it is designed for me, & I shall send it safely.

Very respectfully
your [] []

Lewis Condict

Chr. Chinn Esq
Harrodsburg, Ky
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At a Court held for Mercer County at
the Courthouse in Harrodsburg on Monday the 6th day of December 1842

Satisfactory proof was this day made
in Open Court by the Oaths of Peter
Harman and William Pipes that Mary
Pipes late a pensioner of the United States
and enrolled on the Kentucky Agency
departed this life intestate on the 12th
day of November 1841 and that the said
Mary Pipes was the identical person
named in an Original Certificate or
Duplicate now here shown to the Court
bearing date the 14th day of January One
thousand Eight hundred and thirty nine
and Signed J. R. Poinset Secretary of War
granting to the said Mary Pipes
pension during her widowhood or
for life at the rate of One hundred &
thirty six Dollars Eighty Eight Cents per annum  to commence on the 4th March 1831 and it was further proven to the Satisfaction of the Court that Peter Harman has Administrated according to the laws of said State on her Estate of the said Mary Pipes and that he is now acting as such
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State of Kentucky
Mercer County } I Thomas Allen Clerk
of the Court for the County I do certify that the foregoing Order of Court is truly copied from the record in my Office

The Testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and Seal of Office this 11th day of Nov 1842

Tho Allen