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. Nnf -M&faiie.—Weiwwt itfnrs
*ftd which our -readers may rely on, that an
•' ApWrtrfttt vesael wMcV had gone off, arrived lately
at an jEn^lieh iei»pd. with a cargo of floor, and
> «M|iWt pMtM nHioil it, hot sailed with it for
’■ 'St. Bartholomew* where ahe hay arrived. Doe* not
•Upli ft fact illftsteate better than all the floe spun
Ml
■«4i
arguments of eisionary statesmen in support of this
foolish system ? Does it not prove that Mr. Mr
con’s bill is ft wise measure, compared with the half
wny meaiure of ootointer.-ourse f
Chr readers are invited to »n attentive p»rnssl of
the artfel# from thtbnmhm Coutitr pf the 17th No
vember, which is under our foreign head ; the
^Courier #ur readers'will understand, is a niinisteri
' ft! paper.
It appears that the missionof Hr. Adams had not
escaped notice in England. Oor negotiations with
the French government are noticed with more than
. usual attention.
The publick mind in Great.Britain will he pre
pared for the dismissal of thei^lhjnister. That rir
futmtanee corresponding with the expectation*
.formed by French statesmen, may with the nego
tiations witji Russia and France, induce an expec
tation in England, that this country is determin'd
against any accommodation. We forbear to ex
press all our apprehensions, but we fear that a very
few months will pass away before our rountry will
ha found in a situation, for which we ses no effec
tive measures of preparation—No precaution to se
caps the immense property daily leaving our port*
A latter dated at se», O't. 24th, states that the
• Polly, captain Ebenczer Perkin*. of C.'.Mine, a
prize to theFr#n>h privateer La Tilsit, was rc-cap
turrd hy the British arnvd.'hrig Salsmine, captain
Wilkinson, and restored to capt. Perkins, whp was
found oo hoard. N. Y. Oat.
La Tnint, wehelieve, arrived at this port, reported
M a National veuct,ii went afterwards to Baltimore,
where we understand sha was furnished with all
„ things neessary to enable her to proserute her “ use
. fol labour*.” If the British brig SaUmine, whose
rohitiiatider sa generously restored to mpt. Perkins
„ his vessel, had entered our waters, she would neve
been ordtrid out. This is what Mr. Jefferson would
Call “ equal and exact justice to all nations.”
Ml, Joseph H. Pierra of Boston, passenger in
the »hlp Cordeiie, rapt. Midlen, of Philadelphia,
has just arrived tu this town, and has politely fur
- nished ns with the fillornng marine, commercial,
•nd pohtiral inform linn :
Tha Cordelu. s-iilti from Hio Janeiro on the 3d
of November lust,, tind left the following American
Is in that harbour, viz. Ship Mount flops,
*>eac, of Salem, Iroin Newport, R, I. destination
unknown ; ship Luiru, Seaver, of and from Bos
ton, via Seara Grende, («n the North const of Bra
zil) destination unknown ; arh’r Mary, Lincoln, of
tnd from Boston, for Havanna or Boston in about
*0 days; ship Passenger, Perry, of end (loin New
York, for the Cape of Good Hope, in ballast, to
Mt! the 10th N‘>v.; brig Hnllon, Willis, of and
from Philadelphia, via TenerifTe, for River Plate, in
ballast, to sail (iili Nov.—The ship Huntress, Wil
liams, and sch'r Hope, Story, from New-York, on
■ Sealing voyage, put into Rio Janeiro to repair and
•ailed again in company about the 2(uh CM. last.
Savers! vessels from (he United States had touched
at Rio Janeiro during the season and sailed again,
without being able to sell their cargoes. The I »rg»
number of English merchant ships, whicb were
continually arriving at Rut Janeiro, had glutted the
market with almost every article of merchandize
usually carried there ; and business in general was
dull.
. The following ships under the British admiral rle
»y, were laying in the harlotur of Rio Janeiro
r3d tflz. Eopdroyant "4, Elizabeth 74, Lighi
rtitig J8, Nancy 12 guns. The Bedford 74, (be
longing also to this squadron) had sailed on a
The mammas t of the admiial’s ship, the
maimn
cruize.
f. J-oudrnysnt, bad bien injoted, apd was out to be
w repaired. A number of Poriopnes* ships of war
wart also at anchor there. Admiral de Cot.rcey’s
’ conduct hai been such as to do away any unfavour
* *hl« impressions which might have been mode on
;tb« Portuguese, by his predecessor on that station ;
fours*, lira former had became very popular with
7-JBtf people generally. The Prince Regent and Prin
ces* had been some weeks at Santa Cruz, his entm
trji residence, (about 44 miles (rum the City of Rj.t
Janeiro) where he remained somewhat i«di»pnsrd.
The old Queen of Portugal (mother to tne Prince
Regent) resides at the Palace m the city,
Intelligence of a contradictory nature, from the
River Platt, had been received by different vessels,
■ - but by the hut accounts brought from tbmre to
Rio Janeiro, which caul* in a Lugger, in 15 days
> *jmfoufi*. wns ascertained, that the Vice Roy,
• (tjho arrived there from Spain last summer) consi
dered the trade as actually under the same recululi
«W, srhich governed it before the British ttcrnps
5'daOjg there. The. English, notwithstanding. had
leas able to smuggle mi shore several cargoes of
fwm ‘
A number • <*f vessel* from the United
»*»d if hein
to hvwiblf tor**tortat »!eH 1
hemade Cor tW neutral,thifc. Frbm (he beet in
formation, however, which rndd be obtained at Rio
Jlneiro, those hope* wefa out likely to bo mm
gratified.
Vrtttft Spoke.
Dec. 13, id lat. lf>, 33, N. long. 46, 20, W. the
Cordelia wu boarded front H. B. M’s ship La
Loire, capt. Schamherg—eight sail of transports
(with a regiment of troops on board) were in sight
and under convoy of the La Loire. They left Eng
land o^ ih* 19th Nov. (24 days out) hound to Bar
bados. The hoarding lieutenant said, that the re
duction of Guadeloupe was supposed to he the ob
ject of the expedition. From the winds which the
Cordelia experienced, the transput t* would probab
ly have arrived at Barbados about the 20th Dec.—
December 23, lat. 30, 20, long. 6l, 20, \V. board
ed from His Britannirk majesty’s ship Penelope,
capt. Dirk, 52 d-.vs from Halifax, on a cruize.—
The captain' politely furnished the Cordelia with
sornp very lale Pliil idelphia papers, which he hid
that morning received from the brig Nancy and
Kitty, capt. Oliver. 14 days out from Philadel
phia for St. Bartholomews, and then ;n sight. The
Penelope had boarded between forty and lilty sail
of American vessels within a very sort time._Der.
24, Itt. 23, 50, long 62. II. hoarded from 11 is
Britannirk majesty's sloop Emulous, capt. Stupart,
from Halifax on a cro ze, last from J.unaica, ten
days out from tlirnce. Put on board the Cordelia
(at his own request, and by consent of capt. MiH
Hn, a Mr. Christopher Capress, (a Swiss) lat- pas
senger in the pilot-boat built srbooner, of eighty
tons, called the Savage, detained by the Emulous
on the 22d instant, and ordered to Bermuda. She
was ten days out from New-Y >rk, hound to St.
Bartholomews, in ballast j the detention was said
to be principally founded on a letter discovered on
hoard the schooner, which induced the commander
of the sloop of war to believe she was French nr,..
p^rty. The Cordelia experienred from each of these
ships of war the most polite treatment. The ship’s
papers were not asked for (nor shewn), nor was her
crew mustered, or protections enqirred for in either
case,- I)ec. op. lat. 27, 26. N long. 67, jo. spoke
br:p Rebecca, Cohaun, of Philadelphia, from 11a
vaona f.,r St. Bartholomews—wind blowing freih,
could learn nothing further,—30th, lat. og, 30.
bmp. 6'0, spoke a brig from Liverpool for Carolina,
blowing bard could not distinguish her same noi
that of the captain.
Mr. Pierce h ft the Cordelia six leagues at sea off
Senepaxent, on Monday aiternoon Lst (the. wind
heing ahead to erii r the Del ; ware) and arrived
here in tha packet Richmond, rapt. Williams, from
New York.
Married Last evening by the Reverend Mr.
Symes. Mr. Jotiit C. Saunders, Merchant, to Miss
Mart Ann Campbell, hnrh of this borough.
—”"""" ~—-n—ina—
Died On Wed. sday night, Captain John
Barrett, in the " Id year of !• ,s s«e.
Genii'* Ajtpcfli.— I he udinw lug cop\ of for Jet
j t»r rtf Gfnet, the French ambassador in WASH
ING TON’S Presidency, will shew that kis mode
ol appealing to tiie [>*-»>ple, has nothing in it resem
bling Mr. J.i< sson’s affair. The insolence of the
t Gallick minister was calculated to astonish, snd
yet in the day of it, it produced no expressions of
indignation from the democratic k party, they even
J we believe, vindicated him ! Some of the same men
now effect the utmost isnsihility at the publication,
1 by some unknown person, of Mr. Jackson’s short
[ letter to the British consul's ; whi<b is rnronsidera
! hie, if it had been intended as an appeal, as it only
j regards one point—and Laves m-my important
ou s untouched—although msevident that un these
points it is impnsai: 1? but he must have had much
to say. Con any irum believe, if the English en
! voy had r»ally intended to appeal to the people, that
he would have said no more than is contained in
ihnt brief circular, which is meiely n espy of his
! messite to Mi. Smith by Mr. Oakeley ?—Boston
Palladium.
Philadelphia, 20th Dec. 1793.
Second Year of Ike i'rench Republick.
One and Indivisible.
Citizen Genet, ‘Minuetr Plenipotenntiary of the
French Reputdick to the United States, to Mr,
Jefferson {Secretary of State.
Sltt—Tlie politicks of regenerated France, hav
ing candour, frankness, end publicity for their only
basis, the mysterious secrecy of courts being entirely
rejected from her councils, and the only art of her
fvblick agents being that of using none, 1 'have in
formed you that i would publish my correspondence
with the federal government, and likewise the in
structions that have been given to me by the Execu
tive Council o( the French repuhlick.
The sheets which contain my correspondence,
are not yet printed off, but those which cuntain the
translation of iny instructions being finished, I has
ten to enclose to you copies of them. I beg they
may be distributed among the' members of congress,
and that you will request the president of the United
States to lay them officially before both houses of that
legislative body. The first part of the collection,
yrnirh 1 announce to you, and which I shall trans- i
mil to you in due succession, will enable the repre
sentatives of lho American people to determine whe
ther my political conduct since 1 have resideJ in the
United States, has been conformable to the intenti
ons of the J'retich people.
1 his step ns a duty which I conceive I owe to my
country, and thus leaving it to your sa^c legislators
to take such ttnusures respecting the points that are
i negotiation between us, us the interest f the Uni
1 ted States shall appear in require, nothing will re
maiu for me to do but to prosecute m your courts of
judicature, the aurora and abettor* of the odious
add vile machinations that have been plotted against
me, by rasas* of * sene* of impostures, which for
5* wWW, face fwH'oMH the mind* «i thii.paMiek,
MWt ai*t*D EVE# YOUR FIRM* ASHTRAYS with *
V*m **> *h »ke, at least if not to break off entirely,
:.tne alliance betweentwo nations, which everyeon
■•deration rail* opon to ogite and rivet Still faster,
the bonds which tie them to each oihlr, at a pen
od when ttie most immineut danger equally threat
ens them both.
Accept my respects,
GENET.
Congress of the United Stales.
IN SENATE.—Friday, January 5.
Agreeable to notice, Mr. Pope presented a bill '
tor the improvement ot the United States by pub
lic roads and canals.
A1r. Giles submitted the following motion. i
llesolied, '1 he house of representatives roncur
nrijj therein, that a joint committee be aupointed
to present to the president of the United Slates the
joint resolution ot tbe two houses respecting tht
conduct of Francis James Jackson Ins Rritnotiic
majesty s minister plenipotentiary near the United
Suies, and tb .l the couuin.tpe on the part of tbe
senate consist of members.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
Friday, Jansary .5.
Mr. Vandyke »ppe sred eud took his teat.
RULES AND ORDERS.
On motion of Mr. Smite tire House resolved itself
into commit tee ot the whole on the lepnrt of tbe
i ominut'e appointed to lepnrt rules and orders for
me E'»vei um«.(u miuse.
Tliis repot t contains the following amongst Ci
ther rules :
The pr viems question shell be pot in this form :
“ Shall the limn qoestlou '«e now pul?" It shell
only be admitted wpmi deminded by one-fifth of
thd members present, nod, if decided in the alfir
illative, (hall he instantly put without amendment
or lurlher erbHte, l»ui it decided u> the negative, the
business shall progress os it the previous question
bad not been culled.’’
** On u pif vious question there shall he node
bate.’'
Mr. Lhermurc moved to stiike out the first of
these rnies.
This mof on was supported by Messrs. Liver
more, Gai'lunier Quincy, Soeliey, Lly, Piehtnan,
j Wheaton, Dana and Kmoti, and opposed by Msssrs.
Uhe,i. Basset, Uoas. Sunil", Souiliuia, boyd, Kmd
I icy, W. Alston, Koot oud Johavau.
[ T>-a aigumenU in favour oj striking nut the rule
relating to the previous question were, genera‘iy,
I that it had for itsohjerl the ahi idgenienl of the Iree
•ioin of debate, and was following loo • losely the
practice of the British parliament ; that tins house
tieing couslitntioii'illy a deliberative «s>ein-ly, it
war. not tor the majority to s ly thus far shall de
j hale he permitted, and no lurthtr—lor, it they could
do this, they hud n e same right to say that the
1 minority should have no voice ; tii*t it would pre
vent the minoniv from shewing the enormity of
fhe doings of the m-ijorily, and would throuu iheir
ads in the mantle el oarkness; ihct at present
much time might indeed be consumed in useless de
bate, but that this evil ougiit i« e i*gulated by a
si use of propliety anti tint by • rule of the house;
that it this rule wtre aoopieil, the most mipnium
measures might be decided without a worn ol de
bate, although on hearing arguments gentlemen
might have changed their opinion ol them ; that
this rule might .• mind the house of the rircoin
stuui e that when the Aube Sieyts hid presented a
constitution to toe consideration ol Buonaparte, the
conqueror was charmed with the feature of Dumb
Legislature ; that legislation without debate was al
ways lavourable to tyranny ; that the introduction
ol a rule providing lor the previous question was
n»t even necessary for the purpose which its advo
cates hud in view, lor, from laic experience, it was
known that wlicnivei the majority wcie disposed
to force a question they had it in thfii power so to
do; that such a rule was unconstitutional, because
tl e constitution forbade rangress to restrain the
Ireedom ol speech, and if tiny could not restrict
the people in the freedom of speech, much less sure
ly could they abridge that pnviledg* in this house,
tiie sanctuary of liberty ; that evriy member of
this house had a right to deliver h.ij sentiments an
any sul jert before the beuse, ana could not be de
prived of it; that this privilege, like the freedom
of speech, was productive ol some evil, but the mo
ment either wr.s restrained, such restraint was an
invasion of the principles of iiee government; lion
the rule, however coloured, amounted to this, that
no member oL the unnoritv should be allowed to
«ieak until a vote of permission tor that purpose
ms first obtained front the in jurity. It was ask
ed, would the renovation nl the public councils have
been efieeted if the freedom of denote had not been
permitted at the time when every thing wus teing
to ruin ? If such a rule hud been proposed in 17*fd,
the nation would have been told, by those who
support this rule, that it was the vital stab to li
beny. That which had been wrong yesterday was
wrong to day ; that which would base been wronp
in one majority c ould not he right in another, it
was alio said by several of the supporters of Mi
Livermore’s motion, that the rule proposed to be
stricken out was at war with political liberty, in
compatible with freedom of debate, and in defiance
of the spirit of the constitution ; that majorities,
who could not be supposed to be wholly exempt
from the infirmities ol human nature, might, from
the influence of passion rush headlong into a mea
sure without the least consideration; that rapidity
\»a# not so much an object of legislation a* wis
dom, and a multitude ol laws often proved an evil;
finally, that this rule at the preset! tune particular
ly nugl.t-uot to be adopted, as the housa might
shortly have to decide the question of peace or war,
on which much deliberation undoubtedly would be
requisite. 1
On the other hand it was remarked, in support of
the rule, that the evil intended to be guarded against,
by it was blended perhaps with some of the bss\'
sessations of tbp human mind, a perseverance in
what is deemed right by each, and that the questi
on what was right rould not be dertded- by any di
rect standard to which the human mind can result;
that it is the principle of this as every tree govern
nient that the majority shall rule, and, without an
stoning that .the majority is always right its decisi
on was the beet standard to which they could resort;
ttrnt the majority, heir.g wiponwMe for all niM«urr*
adopted, ought not to beprevented from ariu*g i «
too late try a determined apposition ; that if tire tm- a
oority infringe the right of tire majority to govn n,
there should lx some rule to prevent thi* violation
«f lb* principles of the government; tjmt the pri
vilege eaeh member possessed «t delivering his sen- <£>
timeuts, however preetpus, was not po valuable as
the right which each member possessed of arliog,
and the restiictionafthts privilege would not be so
alarming as the destruction of the government,
which might he the consequence, as the rules of the
heuse at present stood, if the minority were obsti
nately bent an preventing the house from acting j
that although the project «f a dumb legislature might
have charmed Buonaparte, he never "would have
bad an opportunity to approve any constitution,bad j
it not been lor the anarchy, Contusion and unre
strained lirenliousness wbirh prevailed in the Na
tional Convention, and whirh finally destroyed it
—aad it was to prevent such anarchy and abuse of
the freedom ol debate that this role had becomene
ressary ; that minorities too were subject to the
failings of mankind, and that passion might ope
rate upon them, when a most urgent law was to be
pussed, by speaking fur six hours at a time, solely
to prevent the legislature from actiog, from doing
that lor whirb they were expressly chosen ; that
there w;:S no lear of the measures or acts of the
majority being veiled in darkness, lor supposing
(what was vi-ry improbable) an abuse of the rule,
the press was open to every man and ruuhl not be
restrained ; tint the idea of the unconstitiitionali.
ty of such a rule was absurd, for the same mods of
argument would prove that the bouse had no right
to prevent any member Ironi sp«akin<2 more than
twice to th« same question, although the .constitu
tion drcl-res that e«!ch b iuse may determine the
rules of ns prnreedm/s ; that experience had shewn
that such a rule u as necessary to prevent the con
sumption of the time of the bouse hu „
speaking f .nr, live, six or eight hours merely forth*
purpose nt spinning out trine, and moving to. ad
journ, r illing the ViR»«nd Nays on the motion to
g ve i in-sel) time to tak« a breath, and then mak
ing frivolous motions lor the purpose of speaking
still longer on them ; that, m order to do the pub
lic business, if no sorb lule was adopted, it would
he necessofv lor the people to select their represen
tatives, nut for the strength uf their intellect, but
tor the robustness of their t 'institutions and their
roparity for enduring fatigue ; that the abuse of
the freedom of debate had become so flagrant at to
impede all public busmess, unless those desirous of
doing it would sacrifice their health and perhaps
thiir lives, in sessions of nineteen or.twenty houTS
i i Icugth, and these two after a subject had been de
bated ten or twelve days, it was also said that this
w <s no new rule ; that it had existed in this body,
with various modifications, since the commenc*
ment of the government until within two years,
w heu the derision o! the house bad dona it away in
practice, though it still remained in the rules; that
it had existed in the British parliament for twocen
tur its that arguments against a rule of lawrirawn
from the possible abuse of it, would go.Jo the des
truction ot all law and government; that this rule
h id never vet been arbitrarily enforced, and proha
oly never would, as its object was more to tetnind
members of tire propriety of conceding a little t»
tt «ir tel low tnctn'-ers and treating them with deco
rum, than lor the purpose ol actually putting an
end to debate ; li.at no majority would improperly
os» the rule, heenus1, it they did, th»y were respon
sible tr> the people lor it, who would not fail to re
dress the evil. The novelty in this case was said to
he, not that such a rule should have been propos
ed, but that, alter having existed under every ad
ministration, it should now hr moved to reject it,. *
Iheoppon-nts of the rule replied, that this rule
was wholly different from the former rules on the
subject, Hs it excluded debate on the previous ae
.veil as on the main question. It was also said that
the doctrine laid down that the majority should go
vern wr? nn arbitrary dor trine. It was natural for
aiijorities to seek to increase their power. It was
uue that the people might apply the corrective te
abuses ol pouer by the niajor ty ; but it might as
well he said, cltei a violuli-in ot the r.ght of habeas
corpus had deprived the cili/en of his liberty, or
mier. ii ex post lacto law had swept Li.n off, that
Soruetwenty years hence the people would apply the
corrective. A majority might set out with the best
views, hut Plight do arts to predttce the most disus**
terous coustipieoces. The majority always did
wrong when it took means to silt-nee opposition
and to humble those who opposed them. This had
been the doctrine leu yomsugo of those who advo*
rated this rule, and it was the correct doctrine still.
It was said that the argument that the licentious*
ness of the debate had destroyed the government of
fiance, as used in support oi this rule, might re*
mind the house of the Hibernian who rut his throat
to save his life. The lyous* weie called upon to de*
stroy the principles of freedom in order to prevent
slavery, ll the majority had a right to prevent the
miuory from expressing iheir opinions, they had
the same right to send them home, to banish thsm
mini the capitol.
Tins debate was continued in a warm jet desul
toiy manner till 4 o clock ; when on motioa of Mr.
l'allmHd^e, the committee rose, 6'5 to 27, repotted
progress and obtained leave In sit again.
January 6.
Mr. Eppct from the committee of Ways and
Means, asked and obtained leave to present a hill to
revive and continue in iorce the tirst section of an
act entitled “ An act further to protect the com*
inerreand seauien nt tne Doited Stale* against the
Harbsry powers.” [This law laying the duty com
monly called the Mediterranean fund, expired on
tii« 1st inst. Tha0lt now reported proposes t»
continue it till the Tth Manh, 18U.] Ths bill
was t A’iri* lead <i(kI iouiinitted.
Mr. Holland moved the following resolution,
which was negatived:
" lieso/ved. That the committee, of commerce
rod manufactures be inducted to enquire into the
expvd- n-y ot encouraging tt>e iu«niif«cturiii^4f iron
by making a donation of a certain portion of land
-V> such person* as may erect iion works within the
territories of the (Juiied Slates.
Mr. Bassett made the tullowiog leport:
“ The c.Miimitire appointed on that part of the
president's message iclaiinvt to the nival establish*
oi*nl, tepori, in part, that they fmind that the fri*
elates now in ordinary »ji ti:«on'y pari of the sub*
je<-t requiring innn-cueie aiMitioa. Uendcs the
motives present*, n in tlie secretary's letter for an
immediate reparation of thuse trigat.s, ths tvenwal
*