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f IlTtr at the monstrous outrage, all
fc-*pee of liberty in that great aud geu
frfwtis, tho’devoted country, ceased to
exist, and despotism with all its hort id
train of misery presented itself in full
and hideous ionn j from that moment
my a gious solicitude for the success
ol French arnu (now contending for u
imeisal empire) were turned into
a contrary direction; & my fervent
pray ers are that the hands ol the tyrant
may new under the auspices of divine
providence yet be rcsttained. Here let
nu ask where is the genuine Ameri
can, the real friend ol the Revo ution,
of liberty and independence, w ho has
not experienced senti - cuts aud emoti
ons similar to niy own and who in the
luce ol this preat and* generous nation
will disavow these sentiments? And
}e-t. oh my beloved country, art thou
alter all destined also to become the
sport ct ambition? the slave of the
tyrant ? Shall an unprincipled and cor
i upt j unto, as ialse as vicious, under
til*, high an.. i;r posing sounds of pa
tri ism, lead their blind confiding
country, into the gulph ol despotism i
And bliall this mighty work be effect
ed without a struggle? without an
el.'uit to avert the iaiul catastrophe?
Fc rLiu it Heaven! Genius of Ame
rica forbid it! ! No ! Sooner will the
sons of lrecdom, the legitimate heirs
of ti e glorious spirit « f’76, rise in the
n j.s y ol their strength and die in
cieithce oi their liberties, their in
ch j cadence, then sacred constitutions.
Go on, men, thou patriotic $age, who
bob ly tic fits the 1 age ol the impious
I action i hold them up to public view,
anci t ey at once become as impotent
at- they are vain— Go on ! and if to
rmn and to martyrdom tt'.ou art doom
cu 1 ers boU.lv unmaskuur the enemies
of )ui:r country, its independence,
hnci &< veieignty , to whatever foreign
i antic u tue\ belong, bciicve n;e, that
tl ousands, yea tens of thousands ol
jour l.tiihlul countrymen, indignant
ti he | e! hdious treachery, with kin
i it spiri.s approximating to ) our
cwn and itaiij to avtnge thy noly
UiiH ; will not merely cnv. thet thy
glory; cut toitc* is thee to tile scuilolvi,
ai d upon the sacred altar, immolate
their i.ves also to ti:v God oi Eii,eri\.
AN Ol D SGEDIEK.
January 25th, 1810.
CuN GhESS.
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MLLiLb.Ql'
March 21.
P;i virus to a< j< urnn.tnt the follow
irg me-s ge was leccived irom the
,l \idri-i of die L*»'i ed States;
tfyf Senate arid Mouse of
/Trjil e«e’iui(ivrt\ of i a e U. States.
‘ bvure Gcngres* a return oi the
n iiitia i the United Spates as receive
ed I the departnu nt oi War from the
Sewrai states id territrrie •.
JAMES MADISON.
ABSTRACT Ol? THE RETURN.
$• Year lor which
icturns n ace. Icta1’
New Hampshire 1809 24,.81
IN* as sachusttis 1809 69,553
Veto.out 1809 20,4.9
l< iode Island l:u8 7,848
Ccnnt t iic.it lV.9 20 170
New Yoik 1807 92 554
NtwJ.rser 1809 33 505
}’(r nsyivunia 1809 90,4 7
Unaware lhca 6,639
lVSrt 'an/t 1 I'i'T rtr\ . . *r
Virginia 3 8 08 80 863
Nf nh Carolina 18C9 47,922
South Carolina 1807 29,604
1809 25,(-83
Kentucky 1809 40,599
Jer.ncfscc 1805 10 822
( 1* « 1807 15 3 4
1 i>4; icivfColutrbia 1808b * 2,245
Mis i.«-'ippiTerritory 1807 2,158
Indiana Territory 1803 2,00/
CiU aiu 'JH ntory 1807 5,620
1-c i'ni. r a'J en iu-ry 1809 2,54u
iii;i^4n T erritory 1806 1,928
Total Militia 684,335
Man h 22.
NATIONAL HANK.
Mr Lnv« n f'ierl to discharge the ccm*
n lift® cf the whole from the fi’riher emu
a*iuti>iOnu <f (be tcttluiitn rib i\e»o tl±w
< *■*>■ I**. *7 ri■ * iMuttri >••.»* ff* 14)•
v v*'d, th«t ib ttsnunon, a* ottered c>>
bin self, o rt'ibjihlcd a referent e ol it to
r *f i< it cornu iurc, Out after b. was pro
f iv.td, itwa* in mud rtied by-different gen.
Ibn rn *» at best to become scat eery Intel
lij>U .e, slid was wi.li bi» it *-sen l rvbried to
h con ir ittcr of iht while* That at Him
Mu* h speedy Hive s‘.iga;ion of the suited
van expected, and lie. felt no ot.jocunn to
d'vruss the gtin.al principles M .he n<*a„
•or t, but so num time bad elapseo with*
out bitter pio-p’-ci ot that general dis
«us« n, i-hat in- was induced to (ear tne j
sudjs t unless soon acted on nuglu not mi.
tlerg* lb* examination its yu> bi«.at mi.
|) n* 11 tie i iu o,
Mr L. said it was a subject which ccu!u
t e uiu.n better jiurtuu^ and rindited
A
•* <*4
much more intellivihle by the t'etfiiTs of a
bill, than the most laborious arguments, St
he conceived it was o4»e, the relations oi
which, to the interests of the community,
had never been sufficiently explor'd. He
presumed, he said, to think, that it would
be no difficult matter to organize a bank in
such way as to render to the public a great
share of the advantages, which institutions
*f the kind under national patronage had
never failed and never could fail, to give to
the first purchasers of stock, and yet leave
I to 'capitalists sufficient inducement, and
perhaps to real capitalists a greater induce
ment, to become stockholders, than would
in the ordinary mode be £iven them ; while
the’only other effect of the plan he had con
ceived as it respected individuals, would
be to prevent the enormous speculations,
which would otherwise take place, as had
been experienced in the establishment of
the U. S. bank.
He could prove that by the mode of es
tablishment adopted for that bank, at least
3,000,t’00 of dollars had gone into the pock
ets ot speculators, very many of whom ne
ver became stocknolders, which ought to
have gone into the pockets of the people—
at the same time that real capitalists, and
permanent stock.holders paid fifty per cent
advance for their shares.
He flattered himself that very important
improvements might be suggested in the
dralt of a plan lor a national hank, and
which would secure the most important be
nefits to the public. He had’no doubt that
the most eligible plan which could be sug
gested, would be entirely exempt from
constitutional objections, and would only
add, that sufficient inducements might be
offered to the states to tn^ke it their wish,
to become inter* sled in the institution, on
principles of general welfare, and common
safety, and also from prospects of the most
substantial pecuniary advantages. He add
ed a-so, that tic thought it perfectly prac:i
cabie, to piesent u pi in, which in its effect
on society would have the strongest ten
dency to present the further enert use of the
numerous private associations, which he
feared If they cuntinmd to increase as they
had lur several years past, wouid produce
the destruction of every thing useful in
banking institutions, anil leave us to teei
the effects o| that which was most injurious
in them. It had become the duty (he said)
ot the LT. States Legislature to act on
the snbicct
Mr L. hoped ihe House would discharge
j ihe committee ol the wiioie and reter ttie
l proposition to aselect committee with leave
j to report by b ll or otherwise,
j Mi Love’s motion was agreed to, 47 to
! 28, _
■REDUCTION OF THE ARMY AND
NAVY.
! Mr Randolph \aid lie wished to submit
< & motion to the Hous which was ot a na
i ture that would itqvrre perhaps, at leas',
justify., some general observations Dur
ing his unavo liable absence from his duty
in the House the present session, Mr R.
uai<! it had been s. me consolation to him
to i« fleet that if he had been unable to par
ticipate in any cf the measures whicn the
wisdom of the governnien, might have de
vised to mtrt the necessity ol ihe state, at
least these measures were not in any wise
retarded or imptded by any opposition of
his. True it is (said he) that at tne dis
tances which i was placed irom the Beat
ol government, and through the medium
{through when I viewed its rmarurcs, it
was impossible for me to discern any thing
like a system pursuing or about to be pur
sued by ihe government ot this nation.
But this, Mr, 1 attributed to my own want
of ii.lui mat ion, not to the want of dc
c si on or w.shorn <n the g..ve;nrntn.
1 flattered myself that when I snould nave
reached ihe seat ot government, wneu 1
should he on the spot that I snould then at
j least be enabled to discern a degiee ot
I something like a regular system ot policy
j pervading the great c unci Is of the nation.
Hut s't, using all the n.e.*ns accessible to
■ me, curing Che time chat 1 have been m
i Washington, 1 have been unuote to detect
: nt.y tnir.g I kc ucsign, any thing iikeconcei l
any thing like a plan aocut to be pursued
by this House in reiat'on to our national
' concerns—1 ought perhaps to say until this
mom* m. Hut 1 uude< stand, sir, at length
the budget n..s been « pt ned-suiat a sy».
, urn li .s been brought forward lor raising
supplies by to ns and by budiinmal **xeo.
it is .n relation to this system nai the mu
in n w inch 1 am about. to maae will staml.
i 1 had intiitd supposed, sir, tnat wr.cn the
governmew ot tne United States should
get line o{ : iavion at li.is session, the tint
art would in (ii indeed we coulu m»i txnid
up) to pell doy.ii that winch every one
xtnud la acki Wltuge was iu< (licitni,
i id ctiiaus and t»ui ilut — i ul'uue to toe lcIc
btated n n.wit<tenure mw—*and I cerh.io*
ly rhoalo nave »• I. it u.y uu.y to suuinn. a
ii/oiioo on that subjtct as ,soon as i took
ny sea , i! I li d no. beoi in or.uea that a
bill was n trar.s tu between the woHnb.
». s to effect that object. Why indeed tne
barton sin uld have tolerated this acanowi.
♦•dgeu evil, 1 h *ve never been enabled to
discuvei. 1 had supposed that tbe hrsi
step would have btu to do away the tun.
it*sto evil, by way o| prepaiatioii tor
iwm sobs.ttu.ial good, in .ii.s, however,
i have Ikm> unfortunately uusiAken* Wne.
tntr the people ot tne united States wne
ever to retrieve that flourish ng commerce
which had bvtn so chiidisny spoilt d, Mr.
K. said it was nut lor bun to undertake
to dueimine. Commerce w«» a utneatt,
a tMthl.su ikltig-adll witen it had tortiieU
‘or i.sc,) ttw citiUn.eU, i»ke tne mig.ity
, TTHtei rouise, it was fi,*»*wj,t indeed to
| turn It b«.c* Into ti.t Old* l.Ul, 71 fc,.<5 com..
, me ice el the Un.itu States was ever to he '
j regained, he wou.d vertiuie to say that it
, was not to be broughl back ny me means
ut additional cuiu s. A lie embargo and
iion.inleicnur.ae — he nad almosi lo.gn.ttn
I to mentioti me innMimportation act—uad
change., he l aims .mi tviimgs and pnn«
riples of tho intrcan.iie ci«ss m «... is
•.mil .iy. As foreseen ana pieibcted, a
system of siDU^gling« ol illegal trade too
most ruinous to the lair trau<. r, tn« mnsi
ii.furieus to the agricultural interest and
utsuouive to tne imiiuu that couid be
wotiCviVcd, had been organised. A in .r,
ft»s homing to oo is«u iv*r. Uandolpli) but
to go into me n arket, and give apt tritium
(O ustt Lis cotton or tobacco 4 laceJ in.
Liverpool or London, or to have an a-sor
te l cargo of prohibited goods placed in
nv street of Baltimore or Pliiladeipuia.
Whe'her these habits will ever he civeck
edj it belongs not to nio to predicts—.iul
th^y certainly will never be checked by
high duties operating us a premium on
smuggling.
But it may be said that the nation in in
that situation in which it is necessary to
act, to do somethiug. I agree, sir, that it
is—although I hold it not to he the least of
the qualifications of a statesman to be ap
prised when it is necessary not to act, ^
proposition is now m suostance; and l
wish to bring it in form *. submitted to this
nation whether they will encounter a sys
tem of additional taxation and loans, or
whether they will make a reduction in
their unprofitable establishments. 1 think,
it I have not forgotten, that the Secreta
ry of the Treasury, in his annual report,
has stated, that by an adequate reduction
in the army and navy the necessitous state
of our finances may >e relieved. But per
haps, sir, it may be said, shall we, in the
present undec ded state as respects the
belligerents of Europe, make any move,
ment which shall indicate a disposition on
our part to submit to those belligerents?
Certainly not. But, Mr. K. asked, was
there any one who heard him who serious
ly though1, of war, or bllievcd it a relation
i in which we could be placed { He lor
[one did not. War with whom i War
i with Fiance J—Carried on where ? By
i us here, and by Franee in old Franee ? ■ ■ —
For she had no possessions in our neighbor
hood, War wiiU England ! Carried on
where ? In the hospitals at N. Orleans i
Granting that our situation with cither of
| the belligerents was a hostile one, Mr. R.
said he for one would in that case still
, he ready to accede to his proposition ; ior
he saw no use in keeping up an establish
ment, a cosily set of tools, which we
could not if we knew how to use.
It is possible, however, said Mr. R.
that all this time I may be under a mis
take ; that theie is a system, that there is
a plan,that there is a concert; and indeed
ii the old maxim be true, ars est celare
artem, ours must he one 01 the most refi
ned systems—-it eludes not only sight but
touch, £c would elude even a chemical an
alysis. i would wish to ask ihis House l
, aner an mat nas oeen saia or that can be
said on the subject, whether we must not
— we may make as many wry faces as
wc please—go back to that ground (tf it be
t possible to regain it) which we h ive so
I childishly and wantonly abandoned ? We
| must; we may begin upon the system ot
j loar.s and taxation, but the people of the
i U. S. will tell us :u atop, and we must
| oeey. Will the people ot the U. S. con
sent to keep up expensive military and
naval establishments, of the very exis„
fence of which they arc ignorant until
thty are made acquainted with them by
buriiieosome taxes and a debt entailed on
their posterity —and ti>r what? To what
earthly end f If you cannot keep your j
army alive in time of peace, I ask in the
n';m: of common sense what will you do
with them in time of war ? Is there a
I man who hears me who teels e;,e atom of
additional security to his per-on or prop
erty from the army cf the United states ?
Mas it ever been employed to protect the
rights of person and property ? Has it e
ver been employed but in violation of per
sonal rights and property—in the violati
on of the writ ot habeas curpui and as a
new modern instrument of ejectment ? Sirj
go through the country, Et put to "vey free^
holdder in the land this question —Are
you willing to pay one third more of duty,
and an hundred per cent, on that third*
upon sugar, coffee, Etc, fer the sake of
me establishment at New Orleans? We
may s-y what we please, sir, but that ex
pedition which, until ours,” surpassed in
folly every otntr expedition ever under
taken—the famous expedition of a British
army against Fiusning, where they had an
army as well as climate to contend aguinst
—that expedition, which even their own
ministry dare not defend, but qu trrel a
tnongst each other wno shall have the
blame of it, was surpassed in disaster by
the mortality ot toe American army. And
yet, sir, tor this shadow, this skeleton—it
is indeed a skeleton of an army, the peo.
pie of the U. S. are to submit to loans and
taxaden. With respect to the navy, 1
sty nothing of that. Its exploits arc al
ready registered m our Journals. And the
fort of the trigme Philadelphia having run
ashore- on trie tan ot the Horse shoe, is
tin only one in our naval annuals for blv
With respect to war—we have, thank
God ! in the Atlantic, a fossa wide and
deep enough to keep off any immedia e
timber to our termoiy. The belligerent*
ol fcuro,e know, as well r.s we feci, that
war is out of the question. No, sir—if
our preparation was for battle, the sta e
pi.y stcia .1 have nns.aken the sta e of the
pa icrn»»we have been eitiln go.rl and
non.iuteioouracd almost into a consump.
lion, and this is not the time for battle. 1
it mdetd .he sta e was about to under,
go inocculatton lor the small pox, this ie
dufction w.'iu'd have been according to the
best medical au.horities.
Mr R. said lie would therefore subm:.t
to the House, under these views, the ben.
he had been able to take, two distinct
propositions in a single reselut'on, in or*
tier that the House and the people of the
U. Stales might determine whether they
would submit to encounter the European
system ot loans and taxes, or whether
they tvouid reduce establishment*, winch
(to say the best of them that could he
said) were in~r« incumbraaces. It was,
he thougni, about nine years ago since
lie had the honor ot making a Similar
motion in this House, which was she
precursor ol tne abolition ol U»e internal
taxes. He hoped tne motion he was now
about to make wou d be the harbinger ol
pioteCliori against the system iotrot!u:ed
into the House yesterday~ that, at least,
if it was not made the m an* oi tak-ng
off taxation, it might prove an amid >;e ;
i against »;• Mr H. men moved *• tha. the j
| military and naval establishment* 04 lu!
to he reduced’’—-not that he was at all
opposed to a reduction in any other ar
uc'»e of expence, lie brlieeed that many
.ither and important reductions m ght be
made in the expences of the government.
I he spirit of icform ire said, had long
slep in lli.s House. He would go as far
• as any man in retrenching expences, but
he cr>n eased his objeCt now was to take
the bull by the horns. He considered
these two objects to be the great draines
and sinks ol the public treasure. ) do
not (said he) profe.s a better acquaintance
with the public sentiment than othe’S. but
1 believe, if you weie to propound the
question to erey man in the U. Srates
capable ol judging, that no. merely nine,
teen.twentieths, but nine hundred and
! ninety-nine hundied hs of them—always
excepting those wlto draw emoluments
from these es'ablishments, and their im
mediate connexions, whe her in this
House or out ol it—the go»d hrnest yeo.
manry of the United Slates, who never
saw these thing's, whose only proof of
their exis ence is in the money they call
for, would say, in Clod’s name let us hav
none of them* If we are to have war, we
know that we, the people of the Unitec
States, and not the invalids from the ho*,
pdals on the Mississippi, must fight the
battles.
The House agreed to consider the m >
tion of Mr Randolph; and the qUiS’ioi.
being stated on its passage in the follow,
mg words—
*• Resolved, That the military and
naval establishments ought to be redu<
ced ” "
Mr F.ppes presumed that the gentleman
from V rgmia would not a sit of the Hou*e
to dtcide this question at a momc. t’j
wa nir.g. I have sad lie, no objofclion to
refer the resolution 'o a committee of the
whole House and o d scuss it. If gen.
tlemen on this lliorwho vot din 1807 for
an increase of the army and nai ,! estab.
bshim n s can find in the present pos’ure
of the , flFairs of this coun ry a sufficient
giuuuu reduce ineie csiaoisnments, tr.
at the present moment, when pet haps
the first gale may bring news which will
enable us to reduce them wi h honor—
if it is the intention ot gcn'lemen thus to
stamp themselves with the clarge off.i.
ly f »r originally increasing them* i cannot
coincide with them ; bui if it wa3 origi
nally proper to raiac this force* there a>c
no circums’ances which ought at present
to induce Congress to reduce it. Hut at
the baii’e lime, sir, i am lar from saying
that I do not believe lint both the army
ant^favy may be reduced before the end
oj/ne present session. It is true that
tjfe cbdicit in .the I'.Vciiue may be saved
iw a reMufilioit of the army a ,d na»y ;
tail tjfot is nd reason why it should be
rftme Vi^n evJy o her circumst nc- fur.
b tls it. is a bill before the Mouse |
for the incijaw.e of du ;es ; it is reported
iu brSH^^n the ratio of addi ion will be I
fixed at the pleasure o( the if>u*e. I', i
is reported on the principle which is fair
that those who incur a deb*, should pay I
it. The deficit of revenue s iojiI oc < 1
pled by those vrhv incurred the cxpence j
which causes it- I voted for the a my £c
shall no be deterred from voting moary
for an objefcl winch I bdieted nece»sary
and which I siili believe was necessary at
the time it was adopted. As to the pre
sent situation of the army, of the U« S.
I am not acquainted with it^ except from
private letters. No man nine than my.
seif d-plores the si'uation of that army ;
and trom whatever cause it has proceed.
ed_, whoever is to blame, whoever is res
ponstble for keeping the troop* in a swamp,
and sacrificing one half ol them, I hope
will le exposed to the public. 1'. may
be proper to observe that a bill passed
this irlouae yesteid y for o:g«i>ii*ing a
force more congenial to the feelings of
f.cemcn* winch will perhaps mucu re
duce the necessity of ketptng a military i
fence embodied*
Sir, I do not for my part know what
course will be pursued by Congress at the
present session. The gentleman from
Virginia seems disposed to repeal the
non-intercourse; and I consider it per
fec\ly consistent in him to vote against
it because, he did so when it u*:i« nn^sed •
it is perfectly corrsis ent in him lo ay
that it is inefficient because hr has said
so before ; and tha: it is perfec\ly consis
tent in him to reprobate every measure
l>tk~n f >r four or five years past beca ise
he did at the t'me rcprobjte them. Our
situation as to commerce, sir, does not
proceed from our afds, but from the injus
tice ot the belligerents, who by ihcirde*
crees and orders at a sngfe Wow reduced
our c/fiops trom one hundred fat eignt mil.
lions to leas than seven. Duung the year
• 809 our rynulvas about ten millions ;
during the year If 10 ft will probably not be
more tftpn eij^0 I hsvft as I before said,
no objection to meet the question, but
the reduction ol the army will not do
away the necessity ol additional re
venue, because our exports are so
much reduced that we cannot avoid
this year increasing the duties, or per
haps lor some year* to come* One
reason lor the reduction ol revenue is
that qp#|tianufacaires have increased
so much to exclude many foreign
articie^--fmy, *o far have those inanu
fattures processed, that samples ol
the mar.'vJacturet have been sent to
England to be imitated and sent to
this country to rival our domestic
in inulactures. With this view ol tne
decrease ol our imports, an addition
al duty ol 5 per cent, on goods paying
duty ad valorem, wouiJ produce a mil
lion; and raising the specif.c'dutie*
133 1-3 per cent, would produce two I
• millions, making three millions, tlie *
supposed amount of the deficit.
Mr Randolph said he had no idea of
provoking the discussion which had com
menced. H« was willing to commit his
proposition to the same CJin.hitte* as had
under consideration the gentleman** pro
position for laying additional duties, and let
gentlemen take their choice The great
difficulty which he felt in speakii^^this
Hall had caused Mr R. to niiu^Vre. ^
mark, and that was—.that if Congress dil
mean to lay additional duties it would he
necessary to keep them on not only this
year, but many years. Air R. said be had
not expected trom the gentleman who is at
the head of the com mttee ot finance in
the House, such an opinion on the subject
ot indirect taxation as Was to be gathered
from his observations. Wnat would be
the effect of laying additional duties for
one or two years ? The effect would be
that the articles on whicu the duty wa»
luid would not be imported because tney
would have to compete in tue market with
those articles already imported free ot ad
ditional duty ; and moreover would have to
contend agtinst the well-grounded expec
tation that uia short time the duty, would
oe taken off. So that instead of getting
revenue you diminish it by laying on au
vi.tioual duties, because the very articles
which will pioduce revenue will cease to
imports . There is no clearer question
n finance or even in arithmetic than this.
His colleague had said, Mr R. observed,
ttiat^ ilia-revenue having uim sn d, heavi
cr uuties must be imposed on certain ar
ticles—w,(y f liecause, lorsootu, the ar„
• ides are imported under a disadvantage^
ow.ng to the increase of our domestic nia
auiactuies. 1, so, it in oruer to get reve
nue higher duties were to be ta.i on im
pm tecl articles nut able to com, ini in our
niaikci* under oniy the present dut.es»
tins was altogether a new piuu to linn— ,t
must bq ot tne nci^scn vn ot finance—it
w.is aitnge her incoinprcaetisiuie. VV t i
leopy^^tp me principle tuai those wiiu
in\.nr oTuts ougnt to pay them, Al.* K.
*aid he agree*! with ms cuhea0us—and, ..4
uiuugu iu, wag i.ot one ui louse vv.m
'cui»ea t.ie ae ot, ue was om oi mine rt .j
Wtre w Uuig to pay it, i'riey woa.d u
4asst o.iiu;) uy th.» »y .tern of *4 mrinai da.,
ttea uesuoy wait revenue w .s left from
duties on imports and .o.u^e. tie saiu ue
tamer ausp.v. e.i il• s ouiuague uad laden
iiito a a tl.nl m.stake aud ut-at wueu he
sp ,ke ot ad valorem duties on goods im*
ported, ue oug.it to Have said on articles
uut.ed—.or u..d“r the piesjut regime tncy
uid now.aniouut to precisely tue same tiling
—auii Mr K, said, it W: gut b*Ca, w.l c.i
lie did n^t know tube piacticuoiCj to tue
oid sysce it, we si aid fi'id an imroa-.e of
feV.OUC, UOtWltll? alldlUg tile litany ul Our
awn ... . .m acidieg.
U..e word more, said Mr R» and I have
clone, at least for to uay. Among the on*
jec.3 wtuen induced ,ac to sa > mi tlie ui
Cion now«-fai e ue il iuse, or at least one
which in Vay msad cu^ui to weiab in .ts f t.
V 4, IS i.ln l til a t.iis p dtltillj Oil* S^idii.
eis like so inn a rice 1.1 a swamp, which
my coi.ea-ae w.mcs 10 seeurou^nt to i
alld ill WuleU iV.sU 1 Concur, lias a ad uue
Cllect— L U as given t.ie C3li/i dc grace
to .ue, recre.t »erv coJ w...on nerar
,v * *1 nr.ba.. , urnneu or ear tin me ma.
•luiaetu: c tf u • a utin , ur.ity. li u
true, its alleged, tnat e .J men ceil rn»
a.cs, it must atso iu true im taey can
uraw lift rations, Hut l Can UC.nooai.raU*,
uuwever t. aa in common seme, mat it ii
iiot true in me i rcasufy—lur mere ntver
nas oeca aa instance oi cue Uo.iar ream,
ded iu the army or navy lor^pamoiis no. hi
placCj aithnugn tne o'.iiu a atwayi
iiiade up on tlxc i*uppositiuu indi me coinpi j.
mem o» .lion 11 complete and lull.
My colleague is m staken, sir. I have
net reprobated every meaiure for five
years past, i had the honor of propoimg
some measures; that of arming r.ne militia
‘or instance, wiiicii vpis adopted, with
what grace I will ubt any i nad tue ho_
nor of proposing bluets whicix were 3abj
sripsrntly adopted wiicu taken up by otner
getuiuknen. I migitd mention tlie contract
bill, tins alter ition of the rules and arti..
cles of war; I might go lurtuerj but I am
nbt dis/#»s4l further to troUiie tue House
' jYI#^»milie said he was surprised
that the gentleman froiji Virginia had
expected an imfncdiate decision of his
motion. He could not expect that it
should be immediately decided. He
Hid not regret that it had been brought
forward, and he did not say what hi*
opinion would be when they came to
decide on it ; but to do it at present,
he said, would be certainly premature.
The observations made with respect
to the hnau :es, the state of the army,
and all that, he considered out ot the
question at present. The subject of
the state of the army besides was com
mitted to a com nittee. \ll these sub
jects he said he willing to meet at
a proper ti.ne, but he was not goin^ to
decide on a jnotion of so much i np »r
tance as that^iefore the house wrtnout
due -.onsideration.
Mr Macon said that both the gen
tlemen from Virginia seemed to have
given hnn a left n.tnoed touch, fore
ply to one (Mr Kandolph) he would
observe that he would never allow that
the embargo was not a wise measure,
and he was willing fo discuss it over
and over again at any time. The other
gentleman, (Mr Eppes; hid spokeu
of the apuy. Mr iM. said, he did vote
for the increase of the army ann in a
similar situition would do tne same
again. He mad believed mat the at*
u k on the^Chesapeake was as much
war as Use attack on Cuf eunagen. 1 tr*
had b'"«n his impression anu mis lie
iiad stated at trie time he had voted ior
an army. He had believed at that
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