Alexandria daily gazette, commercial & political — Alexandria [Va.], 1810-01-11 00:00:00, page 2

Mr. Pinltney in that letter, you will re
* collect, sir, states his interview with Mr.
* Canning when the latter dqlared that Mr. -
Ersltin'e had violated his instructiods l'ound
ed on his own letters, in which were set
ctct_;_£orth the. particulars of several eomersa
' -'cttlom that had passed between him and the
heads of department hete. Among other
things Mr. Canning represented that from
these conversations it appeared " that, on
the subject of the orders in council, we
would have no objeetion in ease they were
revolted as regarded the U. 8. to repeal the
-emburgo- and non- intereourse laws as to 6.
Britain, and to continue them as to France
and Hollnnd and such other countries as
should have in force maritime edicts simi
lar tQ_those of France, so long as those
edicts remained; that we would allow it to
' he understood that the Brltlah crui'cers
might capture American vessels attempting
to violate the embargo and non-into: course
laws so modified; that we would even a
gree to abandon during the present war, all
made with enemies' colonies from which we
- were! c'xcluded-in peace."
Mr. t'mtmcy alter giving the substance
of the conversations as mentioned to him
by Mr. Canning, adds:
" Mr. Canning proceeded to inform me
that in consecsslueuce of these representations
aome pins o which he said I had myself
confirmed in two canveraatiom in ]anuary,
he had fram'ed and transmitted to Mr. Er
akine, two of"; of inmuctioolﬂatcd the 23d
of that month, but not forwarded till some
time afterwards; the first of which related
to the business of the Cheupeake, and the
* second to the orders in council, and the
ropoeed commercial arrangements. There
- ram-actions, tasig alter-wit}: the pasmges m
.Mr. Ersbine': letter, written I believe in
ecember [as-t, which cant-inn! the above
mentioned represent-adamant! came other
(Je-mil,- which I ought mt to reflect, stir.
Cmming read to me."
After the strong teetimooy by our own
minister thin the letter of Mr. Erakine was
not only read to'hlm, but that it contained
the represents-non- embodied in the in
\ Motion: of the 28d of january, ! can no
longer doubt that each representation were
fully-made- Thu circumstance too, goes
ondtl' y go-repel the idea of additional in
Wooo, an Mr. Canntng had reason to
beside not only that the condition: would
be ..eeepudsiheffi but that he wan closing
Man-car. 'The letter of the 28d of
].si'fissss, thus explained, to no proof that
a". British vsse'ronent is not willing to
m ". " xrw terms.
: MWQ up. .Wc-have bepe'n'
sins:. 'ht'tbessdil idea ofctQre-cct.
ssmwssi-ctzommbrr tedbrbcxmc-j
But it'has been ohjected that the British
government is not disposed to treat with us
on equal terms. That, however the mi
'nister may have expressed himself, yet it is
to be recollected from the letter of Mr.
_ 'Canning of the 28d of January, containing
'the three conditions, that they will not form
a convention with this Countrt, which does
not contain the oﬀensive propositions: Un
til the publication of Mr. ; inltney' s letters,
] an willing to confess to you that l had
great doubte as to the sincerity of the Brit
ish ministr) . The propositions stated as (
coming from our government through Mr.
Inkine, are to extraordinary that ( could
scarcely believe such information had actu
— ally been communicated, but ( can no long
— er doubt after reading the letter of the 28th
" of May.
_, 3 DEBATE
ON THE IQINT RBsoLU'rtoN
" ctPPsWmJ (be conduct of the Executzvesi
' in rect'stlm to the. rqusal to receive any
first/ter cammumcatzon from Franci: Yea.
si jects-an.
si THUMAY, JANUARY n.
[common-n.]
In committee of the whole Mr. But!!!
in the chair—
[Mr. Emott'e Speech concluded.)
si if,
SAMUEL SNOWIHEN,
' Royal-avanﬂenndric.
[COMMERClAL AND POLlTICAL.
Ddly Gentle, 6 Dolldr: per ennmn.
W W 5 QoMrc.
(3 0 N G R 2 8 S.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
*' TozsnAY, December 19.
Alexandria 'Daibr Gazette,
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nnrren no tvctliilind or
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tion. That in the moment of 'succesectthe *
is haughty, unbending and leve". endtbat
when overtaken !: ndverse even-"tiale 5
gentle and conctlisting- F'Ytsi "3 "si!"
heard that the different modtficattonl of th:
Ol'dC'B in good from more tolesl feverc,
is owing to the desests of the En ish ye
their sllies, and that we may resu the in
str'uctions of their ministenhcre in the ass
ss ing history of their wsr with France. OW
the success of Nepoleon It Wagﬂm hid
decided the sate of eontinentsl Europe.—
, T he defeat of the Austrians was supposed
to place the political exntence of that mo-t
narch in the hands of the conqueror, and ]
ss in all probabilitsithe subjugation of Spatn 1
must foilow. ad our executive waited a ,
sex day;, he would have found that by !
the-treaty of Vienna Austria had engsg- :
ed to break oﬀ allintercourse with Great
Britain and acceded to the prohibitory sys
tem of France. This state of things in
continental Europe certainly made the
friendship and good will of this countrv an
object of interest and solieitude with Eng ,
land, and I must believe that under these
circumstancesthe interest of the people of '
this country required an attempt at-lesiast to
nCBOClatCQ
Anothersireasoa why I do not think the ,
interest of the ,ipgople was consultrd, is, ?
that the act under the circumstances in
which it now appears, with imputarions on
the British government, will necessarily
occasion irritation and render an adjust
ment of our diﬀerences if not itnpractica- ?
ble, at least more difficult. And in this
point of view the adoption of the resolution
; on your table is more than impolitic. It is
; throwing the gauntlet to Great Britain, and
ss who that knows the haughty spirit of that
*nation, who that has perused its history
ss will answer for it that it will not be taken
up. ! shudder, sir, whilst ( reflect that
3 before we pass on this resolution, the cor
l rcspondence and dismissal may produce the
* lctatul mandato which will sweep our com
{ therce srorn the ocean and lay out trading ]
ClllCS m rums.
Are we prepared for this war? ! can
not subscribe to the doctrine of the honor
able gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. ]ohn
son) that we are to meet war, not pre are
for it, and that it is in time to sit oune vee
ss for the contest when we are attacked. To
person: who inhabit the wilde of our weet
crn country, this doctrine may he correct,
at the enemy, before it can reach them,
must pan over their neighbors. and thou
aﬀord them time to prepare for the con
ﬂict. But thou who live on the sea-bourd
must, ifthie system is adopted, be sacri
ficed. We are without monessv, without an
army, and withouc n navy. ()ur sortilieu
tions are unfinished and unmanncd, and in
this a state in which to invite hostility from
a nation who has the meane and the now"
at command to injure us. ! know, eir, we
have great resources—thnt vsse can draw
forth men and money, but if We must hav :
wnr, let us begin by preparing for it before
we provoke it.
. not about to charge this on the administra.
rtion, {or ! hope and trust it did not pro
sign-t asdisgrseesul so my coumyct, but (
-sion and minister were held up to the b.
- (our pride and ctboast) and convert its vast
ct— .
rto the remorseless savages whose residence
vitnessisessd it also with sialarm, insmneh as
more apt nconidertbs leasings-rin- as ct
lic by the papers which are in snvor o the
administration is one circumstanee. ! am
ceed from them. I trimmed it _.with "dis
approach our borders, and who are "per
haps now whetting their kniVes and their
aXes. , -
Permit me, sir. to mention a few of the
circumstances wnie-h have brought alarm to :
my mind. The manner in which this mis
population into hordes of wander-ing beg
gars. On the north we have a vast fronti
er of se veral hundred miles, sparely settled
by industrious husbandmen, who with their
families will not only be exposed to incur
sions from Canada, but will be an easy prey
XISZUH, Bls', 1 00 nor CODSIGCT me ﬂll'
missal of the English si minister as comport
ing with the interest of the people, because
it appears to me, taken in connection with
other matters, to be part of a system of
hostility towards Great-Britain which is to
end in war. On this subject ] wish to be
understood as not intending to question the
views of those who advocate a British war, ]
nay, ! know the motives of some of them ]
to be pure. I only question the policy of '
such a measure. To me it appears preg
nant with incalculable evils to this country.
Perhaps my situation renders me unne
cessarily sensible of this point, as l repre
sent a state which must immediately and
greatly suﬀer in such a war. lt is not to
be concealed that the state of New-York is
in some degree a pledge to Great-Britctain
for the conduct of this country. Our sea
board is yet unproterted, and a British
ﬂeet may at any time destroy our capital
..v— —
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The Origin, Pragrcss, and Isstlc qs Jsr.
Eusxmn's during-cum"!
WE have already shcwn that his famous
arrangement Ossitgsimutrd in several propost
tions stated by Mr. Erskine, to be the re
sult ofcertain conl'erences with the mem
bers of our cahint-t; and that so tar from
being the canst: of new qﬀZ-nce, then pt'O
positions must have been presumrtl by Mr.
Canning to have in.-m acceptahle to our mi
nisterl. To disprove this point, the mem
here of our Cabinet have assailed the dis
contented and disgraced minister, Mr. Er
sltine, and have induced him to make some
explanator concsi-nions. These contus
lions, published by our Government in their
own vtndication, must according to all fair
rules ol'construction, he considered most
stricdy against themselves : and we deduce
from them most omquivocal proofs, that
Mr. Canning had a right to draw the infer
ences which he has announeed.
Mr. Erekine's letter of the 14th August
is brought forward as the apology of our
overnment, and as calculatetl to prove the-t
lr. Canning was not authorised to presume
that our gQVerntnt-nt would acrede to the
three conditions stated in his letter of in
structions. The con'trary inscrence may
mostfairly be drawn from Mr. Erskine's
letter. His letter consists of two distinct
parts :-lst. His statemcnt of what he had
actually communicated to his own govern
ment : and 2d. His declaration of what
n'ere his own private impression-3, when
drawn out by the denial of our ministers.
Upon the firsc condition, which imported
that upon the repeal of the British ﬂrrlr-rs
in Council, we would withdraw our Non
lntercourse as it respectud Great Britain,
and persevere in our non intercourse with
France and her allies, Mr. Emkine states,
that Mr. Mzdison assured him that " the
United States would at once all): with that
power against the other which might co n—
tinue its aggression."
Upon being pressed now. after the sffitir,
to explain himself, he says, that he never
considered this to be a prrliminary condi
tion, bccause he knew that the president
had no such power without the concurrence
of Congress. -
This, it must be remembered is Mr. Er
skine's private opinion qu- tltedisavawal,
and is not stated to have been made known
to his Cabinet. This distinction of Mr. Er
skine,sophisticaland ttbsurd enough to be
sure, is the same which Mr. Erskine- set
up in his own defence in the Gszette of the
United States, where he says, that he could
not have presutned that a British Mim'eter
was so ignorant of the American Constitu
tion as to believe that the president hsd such
s power. -
This very argument proves, that he never
stated this distinction to his own- Goversstt
ment, bttt presented that th would under
stand it themselves. The w le dint-res
soning is however borrowed upon gem-or ;1
fors- tbs President, end Sainte havesrijh't
soms'uyindices to the feeling: and ctvicssn]
of our public men. Agnm, the manner, to
which the negociation was condsslmdsi by ss
out government induced use to_ believe that
the object of the admintstrsiatton ts not a
treaty with Great Britain. The adhere-ner
towhat lsicannot but viep-fasssmistakrs, the
charges which are exhihitrcfi'the trat'tuth
of temper discovershle, and the hat-sithen
of e ression adopted in the cotrespond
eneexasd to this conclusion. _
Again, the speedy termination of the
negociation on ass point not connected With
the merits, and the publications in the state
paperso near the mecting of Congsl'lssso 35'
suming s form almost olstcial, and havmg a
tendency to inﬂame the public mind against
the British minister and his government ;
the introduction of these resolutious, ex
traordinat) in their terms, and without a
parallel in' the history at this country; the
bill in the senate by the same hand provi
ding for the forcible removal of a public
minister who may h'ave been cr sh Ill here
aster be guilty osa breab't of privilege w; i it
(in appearance at least) is directed against
this very m niscer ;the various rcsolutions
intruduced into this house by the l'rit nds ol
the adtninistration hostile in their character
and views; all these are circumstances that
lead me to believe that the aim and inten
"00 of the administration is a war with G.
Britain.
l have much more to say on this subject,
but as l am sensible that [have already ta
ken up too much of your time, ! will close
with repeating, that lcanuot give my as
sent tu the resolutious on your table.
( chttte to be continued.)
:GD:—-—-—
THE DlPLOMAl'lC POLlCY OF
MR. MADISON UNVElLED.
NO. lV .
from the Baslan Gazette.
- of April, to his own govssernment, in which .
-———\
f
sito made treatieg; which ipsa faste be,
he states, that he had discussed the three:
conditions verhsittint et tei'aum; that ili'ct
Wprfi for word, and gives the replies ot'out ]
ministers. si -
si ,2__dct. By Mr. Smith'sletter os-the lQ'Fti
ease-over but, in which he admits th-e'ct
the three conditions were known to him.- i,
comesi'the supreme; law of the had, Cf-l
gress are boundiike all other calf/eft: of This
country, to carry then'l. tow accutton. This
principle gras tettled m the case of ]siysisi
treaty. " _ si
Upon-the eeeond condition. Mr. his-"si:
stated 10 hiI GOWDMCB; th'-t MrsiGnii-usi
actid, " that it wash: inmumn at. the U_
Stzites to abandon needly! til-carry on
trade with the coloniel aside belligerenu in
time of war, which was not allowed to a—
of peace ;" and the renon he amgnr i; m
ciusive evidence, till! he understood
Gaiiatin righﬂy; for he acid-w that the 0.
8. Would true: to their being permitted \,
France to'can'y on and tradcte jn tinue}
peace, as to entitie them to :" continuing,
of it in time of War."
This is too plain to requireany explain.
tion ; it includes the total cscssion-of them, '
lonial tradsse. This is siwhat Mr. Enkiss'
stated whis goverfnment, and on thi- ".
press idea is Mr. Canning's .2d propoq
sounded. - .
Four mouths after this, and after his (I; "
grace, Mr. Erskine declaresfthat ire and,. "si
stood-by this only the direct cobniul trode. ss
But this he did not lure to Mr. Canuinsiss
and could Mr. Canning divine it ? High: 71
not, indeed did not Mr. Canoing suppen-1
that as our trade with the colonies of qusisi,
was reduced by captures of the Frenci ,sict,
islands and actual blockade, to almost noxi
thing, that our Cabinet were ready to rti'nsictssziss
qUi-Th it? 'si :;
Thus it is proved, that the propositioufij.
made in .Mr. Canniug's letter of the 2367'}
oi'jztnuary, 1809, so far from bb'ing into "'—
icm , were in factsounded upon lb.! he hal-"ss
a rzorht to presume were proposals to which
our ministers had acceded; "and it it far
from being proved that they did not give _,
Mr. Estkine reason to belive that they did
si SUY- BY-Mr-si Enkine's noimtatory his
in, written "the Mdutctsibf our govern
ssmcssnt, inv'hieh-Þe sin e,*'*}that in the dif
Wsuþmﬂzﬂffitffinsi he found ."."
be "' si "
agree to them. , si
We shall now proceed to rove that she ,
arrangement entered into wit 'Mr. Erskim't
alwrds no prool of : with on the part of our -j
Cabmsictt to adjust our diﬀer-mee- with Grtl
Britain ; but that it wn rather expected that '*
it would widen'the breech- . :
let. There was good r.:non to believe, u 7;
the momentof the arrangement, that he not ct,
only acted without full power: ; but that be;
had violated his incur-actions. "
Thin point once eetubllelted, end it being:
once coueeded that our govermnent oft-1.
pccted & tllltWow;*.l, lt "to a proof dsi'sreuf in-j
nincer'tty, lust-sad ol at dealt-e of 'pled'm'nzct.
peacesi \ ct - - )
No point can bectmove fully ss letclcrl that?
that a mere letter ol'sst'redeace, np-mintinq :;
man a minister nezidcut. or even plenipojss
tentlary,doeo not of itself, inelude the pow- '
er to ma: c 8 treaty. Hence we had that)
when minish rz plenipotentiarlee have mudrl]
trentlei, they have exchanged their sultl
power-t with the pertons-appoiﬂted to treat,";l
with them, although they themselves may .ss'
have been red-(lent at the court of the as ver-i
(up! with whom the tri-my is made for so?
veral years. ( 'See Note.)
This principle acquired additionsl force,
and if usage had not satte-tioned it, the pll- ss
ticular circumstances in which Mr. Madi—
son stood, would have aﬀorded nn ample
npology for demanding Mr. Erskinc's puw
ers. Mr. Madison is an officer with limit
etl power. This facc sureign nations are (
supposed, and indeed tibiiged to know. He ;,
was not empowcrtd to testore the intet-fl
course with Britain, except on the condi
tion of his Britnnnic maje'sty's hat-ing m-m
ally withdrawn his orders in council. H= "
might, however, have considered his nt- ,
jesty's promise to withdraw them, on at thy iss
certain, as tantamount td an actual rcpcalil';
but in such case, he had a right, nay he}
was in duty bound, to callfor the power of}
the minister. Why was it'nOt done? Bc- '
cause it was known, we say, not toexist- !
The delienchn this me was-truly aﬀect-iss- si'.
Great Britain could not have taken osscnr'c .
at the demand 0! to authority, when this ,
authority was indispehssble to the exercise
of Mr. Matdisott's power. , ,
But the actualconditiomuf .Vl'r. Enkine'0 1
instructions wet e ltnmrn find it was him :ss
that the arrangement- violated them;
This is in proof, _ ' ss
let. By Mr.")erkine's letter of the LW ;
, it ""if-"
ws