National gazette. — Philadelphia [Pa.], 1793-01-30 00:00:00, page 4

CONGRESS.
Thursday, January 3.
Continuation of the Debate on reducing
the present Army Eftablifkment.
MR. MOORE f.iitJ, therefolntion as
r.ovv worded, contemplates the re
duction of the army to two regiments.
No icafons have been introduced for this
measure, which were not brought forward
in the firft dfcuflion of the fubjeft. He
thought tl at the reasons for continuing
the army, existed with additional force
He observed, that granting abuses had ta
ken place, it was no good rcafon for re
pealing a law. If abuses do exist, which
he by no means thought to be faf, this
was not the way to corredt those abuses.
But he infilled, that the mode proposed as
a fubditute for carrying on the war, was
the way to encreafe those abuses—the op
portunities would be encreafed—and the
means greatly diir.inifhed, by reason of the
distance, of detecting and preventing them.
He enlarged on this idea ; and then en
tered into a confideratiou of the quedion
whether the militia or the regular troops
were the molt eligible to be employed in
an Indian war? He dated the difficulties
and expences arising from the militia sys
tem—it would be much greater than it has
ever yet been. Adverting to the fydem
adopted by Congress, he observed that
two objects appeared to have been in view
2t that time—those objects exilt at the
present moirent ; they have reference to
two species of defenfive, and an
incuriive. He said if no other than a mi
litia was contemplated, the Indians would
never make a permanent peace. The in
curfions of the militia, and the burning of
their towns, vvi'l never bring the Indians
to terms —permanent posts must be estab
lished ; a refpeftable force must be fixed
in their neighbourhood. He alluded to
the treaties which had already been made
—the repeated violation of those treaties.
Fear only can keep the savages within any
bounds. Nothing else can effeit a lading
peace. A permanent regular force is
then the necefiarv result—the experience
of the French, Spaniards and English,
fufiiciently enforce the propriety and ne
cefiity cf regular troops. Here he enter
ed into a consideration Gf the difference
between such regular troops as he contem
plated, and those to which gentlemen ap
peared to be opposed. Added to the ad
vantages of discipline, the regular troops
may be trained to fight the Indians in
their own way, to greater purpose than a
ny militia ever can. On the whole, he
was clearly of opinion that the present
was not the time to reduce the military
force of the country —and should there
fore vote againlt the motion.
Mr. Williamfon so far supported the
motion, as to fugged the reducing
the number of officers on the regular e
stablishment, to the number of mtn in ac
tual service, and to flop recruiting after
the month of March.
Mr. Madison said the present difcuflion
involved a revival of the question agitated
the last session, whether the militia or re
gular troops were to be preferred in car
rying on the Indian war ? It is said that
this is not the time to reduce the military
force of the country—that the President
is inverted with the power of reducing the
army—that while important negociations
are pending, it will be attended with in
auspicious eflefts to lefTen the impressions
of our power on the minds of the Indi
ans. These considerations, he acknow
ledged to be weighty—but if the force of
the country can be continued on as re
fpeftable a footing as at present, and at
the fame time the expence greatly dimi*
nifhed, the government would be inexcusa
ble not to do it. It is supposed that this
may be done in perfect consistency with
impressing the enemy with the fulled im
preflion of our power. He fugeefted
therefore the eligibility of compleating
the effeflive force by the addition of vo
luuteer militia—to organize compleatly
the regular troops already raised—and to
reftrift them to the number that they al
ready consist of. To reduce this idea to
effect, he suggested to the gentleman
from North Carolina a modification ofhis
motion, by an amendment in conformity
to these ideas. |
Mr. Steele said he was perfectly in
sentiment with the gentleman, in regard
to the propriety of inserting an amend
mcnt to the motion, which might feeure a
fuflicient appropriation to carry on offen
five operations against the hcflile Indians,
by the militia of the frontiers ; and if an
alteration was proposed to that tffeft, he
would second it. The attention of the
house to this queftibn speaks its impor
tance ; it is probable, one more impor
tant will not occur during the present
session. On its decision are suspended the
hopes and fears of the people ofthiscoun
try, their hopes of a speedy and honora
ble peace, and their fears of a (landing
army, with its usual retinue of political
evils.
The present is regarded as an interfiling
epoch in the affairs of the United States ;
( and it has been perceived, with serious re
gret, that while our national character is
forming (he hoped it was not yet formed)
it ft ems to partake in foroe refpefts more
of the unnatural spirit of monarchy, than
of the mild and conciliatory temper of a
tepublic. The principle of keeping up
(landing armies, though highly obnoxious
to the great body of the people, has not
been equally so to the government ; they
have been maintained and encreafed with
oiitt affoiding protection, or even defence
to the frontiers : the supplies necefiary to
support the eltablifhment, begins to disco
ver an alarming derangement of the pub
lic finances, and it is now incumbent on
the House of Rcprefentatives to check
this growing mifchief.
Mr. S eele then adverted to the effects
of Handing armies on the morals and poli
tical sentiments of the people, wherever
tliev had been employed ; of the expen
fivenefs of all such cftablifiiments, and of
the wicked purposes to which they had
been, and might be subservient. He said,
he had prepared himfelf to have spoken
largely to this point, and ts> have quoted
the pernicious effedts of such a polioy in
other nations ; but the debate having been
already lengthy, and the committee pro
bably fatigued, it would be fufneient for
his present purpose for the members to
make their own reflections, and to mark
the rapid progression of the army from
178910 1792, both in numbers and ex
pences- Inftanres from foreign fti(l ory
are fuperfluous, when our own afford, such
ample teflimony. The eftablilhment be
gan with one regiment, it is now five ; the
House was called on in 1789 to appropriate
a little more than 100,000 dollars for that
department, in the present year above one
million is demanded. The reason of thii
extraordinary additional expenditure, this
unexpe&ed encreafe of the army, if not
enveloped in dark ness, has been founded on
policy hitherto not fatisfa&orily explain
ed- He said, however lightly he was dis
posed to touch this part of the fubjeft, he
could not avoid reminding the committee
of the memorable sentiments of 1776, in
regard to Handing armie» ; of the univer
falabhorrence of the Americans to them
at that time ; and to illuflrate it more
clearly, he read the expressions of some
of the Hates in theii Bill of Rights. These
were the sentiments of the whigs of 1 776,
and to such whigs he wished to appeal on
this occasion.
He also reminded the committee of the
recent debates of 1788, of the amend
ments proposed in several state conven
tions, of the unanimity which prevailed
among all ranks of people on this parti
cular point; and it is now to be lamented,
said he, that while the ink which recorded
these objections to the constitution is yet
drying, the evil then predidted has taken
place.
If there is a fubjedf on which much de
liberation is unneceflary, in order to for
ming a right opinion, it would be in re
gard to military eftablifhraents; the feel
ings of a free people revolt at their conti
nuance ; and every man who reads, or
thinks, can point out their dangers.
He said, he felt more anxiety for the
late of this motion, than commonly marks
his conduct, because this is the last fefiion
that will ever afford him an opportunity to
trouble the House with his fentimtnts on
this or any other fubjeft. The motion
was brought forward to discharge a duty
which he owed to his constituents, to fatis
fy his own conscience, and to afford that
prote&ion to the frontiers which they de
served, and to save the public montv. If
art uncommon degree of zeal was disco
vered in supporting the motion, it ought
to be attributed to these, and no other
motives.
[To be continued.']
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