National gazette. — Philadelphia [Pa.], 1793-01-19 00:00:00, page 4

of the Debate on Mr.
Steele's motion for the reduction of
the Military Establishment of the Uni
ted States, j
IVednefrlay, January 2.
MR. CLARK observed that by the
debates this day, it would appeal
as if it was designed to disband the whole
army, and to give up the whole western
country ; but this is by no means the cafe j
the obje£l is merely to reduce the numbei
of the regiments, not to dismiss a (ingle
man. I-]e supposed three thousand men
would be fufficient to contend with 120 c
Indians ; the effeil of the motion woulc
be to Hop recruiting ; —it is said the Pre
sident is empowered to disband the troop:
when he thinks the public service will ad
mit of it ; but this is a point of delicacy ;
the law provides for railing five regiments
the recruiting therefore will go on, unlefi
perhaps the Lcgiflatiire (hall take some
Heps to prevent it. He therefore fuggell
ed the idea of an address to the Prefidenl
of the United States on the fubjeft.
Mr. Parker said, he was in favour o
the motion. It had been observed, hefaid
that the President had it in his power t<
difoand the regiments ; but he observed il
was not known what his sentiments are 01
the fubjeft, and theiefore, it may be high
ly proper for this House to express its opi
nion. Mr. Parker then supported his for
nier alTeriion, that militia was superior t(
regular troops, especially filch as can now
be obtained, the belt men cannot b<
obtained, the war is unpopular; ant
therefore such men as turned out in de
fence of the liberties of the country can
not be enliflrd. He adverted to variou
expeditions againfl the Indians, beginning
with Braddock's defeat. He noticed fe
veral actions during the late war witl
Great Britain, beginning with Burgoyne':
capture. He gave the militia the princi
pal credit for many of our ptincipal anc
mod brill ant fuccefTee. He said, he hat
no idea of a speedy peace with the Indians
but he exceedingly reprobated the prefen
system of prosecuting the war. Hewai
for reducing the regular establishment to ;
number fufheient to garrison the forts or
the frontiers, and to give the Prefiden'
power to call militia in such numbers as h<
may think proper, and to strike the ene
my where the bell prospect of fuccefn ma)
appear.
Mr. Boudinot, after remarking that tlx
prefentdifcuflion was merely a repetition o
the various observations which had been of
fered in the firtt deliberations on the befl
mode of carrying on the Indian war, faic
the majority determined on the mode
which had been adopted—For his part ht
had been in the minority ; but the sense
of the majority muflbe submitted to ; he
therefore exceedingly doubted the eligibi
lity of deviating from the system, and thus
betraying an instability in the public coun
cils. He adverted to the existing slate ol
Indian affairs, the disposition recently dis
covered by them to treat, and imputed the
alteration in the hostile appearance to the
arrangements made by the United Stat«e
to prosecute the war : he therefore exceed
ingly doubted the expediency of weaken
ing the public force at this crisis. He no
ticed the interference with, and encroach
ment on the executive, which would be
the consequence if the measure should be
adopted. The encreafed expencea occasi
oned by the addition to the regular troops
were fully considered at the time when the
majority determined on that addition ;
and shall the minority for ever keep their
opposition on foot, by bringing forward
the business in various shapes ? He enlarg
ed on the ill policy of adopting the pro
portion at the present moment, and said,
he hoped that nothing would be done to
derange a system which had been the re
sult of so much deliberation ; on liability
and firmnefs, the eventual mtafures now
pursuing to bring about a peace, appear to
be suspended.
Mr. Willis opposed the motion. He
said he had been originally againll raising
the additional regiments ; but the moti
on, he conceivcd, went to such a reduftioti
of the defenfivc force of the frontiers, as
would leave them in a very exposed situa
tion indeed. No gentleman would fay, he
presumed, tha l, two regiments would be
fufficient to garrison all the pods on the
extensive frontiers of the United States.
He bad always been of opinion that vo
lunteers and militia were the best species ps
forcc to be employed againll the Indians ;
but tlio' he had been opposed to the sys
tem adopted, yet he now considered him-
felf 39 differently fituatecl, and that 't was
a different confederation to oppose a law
before it is patted, from continuing that
oppoiit ion after it is enadted : he hoped
therefore, that the motion would «ot be
agreed to.
Thar/day, Jan. 3, 1793.
Mr. Steele, after adverting to the state
ments offered by the gentleman from Con
ne&icut, and observing that they differed
from those which he had laid before the
House, said, in order to remove every pre
judice to the motion, he had been indu
ced to make from motives of regard to the
public good, he should now more particu
larly reftr to the documents from whencc
he had drawn his information. Mr Steele
then referred particularly to the fevera!
a<Ss of appropriation, to prove the just.
nefj of h:s statements ; after he had gone
thro' with these, he observed, that from
lKnce it innft appear incontrovertible, thai
the sums Hated to have been appropriated
for the war department, were in fad so ap
propriated ; whether the sums were ex
pended or not, it remains for the gentle
men who controvert those statements tc
(hew. He then fheived that the whoh
sums were expended, and monies called foi
to supply deiicienct-s.l
Mr. Wadfworth rose to explain ; h<
observed that lie believee the gentleman','
statement jull now delivered by him wai
accurate ; he did not mean to controverl
it. In his observations yesterday, he hac
reference to the statement offered by th<
gentleman in his fpe ch when he broughl
forward his motion which had been pub
lilhed, and the accuracy of which, the gen
tleman had not denied ; it was that It ate
ment, Mr. Wadfworth said, he meant tc
controvert, and not the one now offeree
by Mr. Steele.
Mr. Clark said he conld not conceivi
for what purpose this debate was spun oui
to such a length ; bethought the bufinefi
might be very soon fettled by proceeding
to filling up the blanks in the motion : h<
dit'approved of the comparisons which hac
been made between the militia and the re
gulartroops; they had both, at differen
times, behaved well, and both had per
haps been to blame.
Mr. Milledge rose in opposition to th<
motion—he called the attention of th<
house to the extenfivenefs of the frontier:
of the country, particularly of the (late o
Georgia : he noticed the conduct of th<
Indians, particularly on the frontiers o
that Itate ; the citizens of Georgia adopt
ed the constitution of the United States
in hopes of deriving effectual protedlior
from the Union ; have they received that
protection ? A treaty has been formec
with the most formidable tribe on the fron
tiers—we have been amused with expec
tations of their fulfilling the contrail or
their part—but their late treatment 0
Mr. Seagrove may fully convince us tlijl
they never will consent to running the per
manent line. Mr. Milledge then noticec
the treacherous conduct of the Indians or
several occasions, and from the extensive
ness of the frontiers, being more than 150 c
miles in extent—their exceedingly expo
led lituation, &r, he argued, that the
force originally intended to be raised, wai
so far from being too great, that it is not
adequate to the object; he was therefore
opposed to the motion. If any of the of
ficers of government have embezzled the
public money, or have been guilty of abu
ft-s, said Mr. Milledge, the way is open
and plain to bring them to account, and
he should not think that any member oi
the legislature, knowing of such abuse*.
who did not bring them before the public
tribunal, did his duty : He concluded by
faying, that as a defender of the rights o!
his condiments, by affording them all the
protection in the power of the govern
ment, he Ihould vote against the motion.
Mr. Findley.—Sir, how far the army ii
to be reduced, being a blank in the moti
on before you, does not come directly un
der debate, and there is a difference of o
pinion among the gentlemen who fupporl
the resolution ; the gentleman who mo
ved it, expressed a design of reducing it tc
two regiments, and a gentleman from
New-Jersey (Mr, Clark) proposes to re
duce them to three, or to discharge none
a&tiallv enlisted; at any rate the princi
ple is open to debate.
The difcuflions with refpeft to the ex
penditure of the revenue, and the compa
rative merits of the regular forces and th;
militia, have been fufficiently discussed ;
at lead as far as they relate to the question
under consideration, therefore I fhsll pass
those fubjefls at tills time with only one
remark.
From the observations of tlie gentle
man who moved the resolution, the fiifl
and great object is, by disbanding a great
proportion of the army, to obtain money
for the redemption of the redeemable part
of the public debt. I agree with him that
this is an important and desirable objedt,
but we differ in this—that I take it to be
a secondary object. I consider the defence
of the union to be superior to every other
consideration ; it was the firfl reason foi
forming the government, and claims the
firft provision and earliefl attention from
those who govern.
However, the arguments which have
been deduced from the origin, the ma
nagement and misfortunes of the warj
claim my particular attention. That the
war existed previous to the present govern
ment, is no more denied ; that it was the
offspring and remains of the war with Bri
tain is confirmed by fadts which will lons
be had in melancholy remembiance ; bu!
lince the commencement, it mud be ac
knowledged thst the war has changed its
complexion, the carnage and depredation
have been much extended, and the rcfent
ment and union of the savages gveatJv en*
creased. How that has happened' is s
proper fubjet} of enquiry. Gentlemen in
fnpporc of the resolution have pretty
plainly implicated the war department as
the source of these evils. Let it be ob
served as one excellence of our govern
ment, that all officers, civil and military,
are fubjeft to legal trial and panilhment ;
there is no officer so dignified in the Uni
ted States as to be out of the reach of le
gal responsibility ; and if. therefore, there
is delinquency, let it be asserted boldly and
examined to effedl. It is the members of
the legislature only that are out of the
reach of trial and punifbment ; upon these
we have no hold, except upon their cha
racter, their confcietce and their intereil.
It is the legislature that is possessed of the
molt supreme fovcreign power. Though
I do not appear as the advocate of any o
ther department, yet it is to the conduits
and negledta of the legislature that I now
call the attention of the committee ; it is
from that quarter that we can draw the
most ufeful cautions for ourdecifion of this
question, and our future condud ; and it
is more generous lor us to examine and
improve upon our own faults in the firfl
instance. I have already observed that the
new Congress found the union in a (late
of wat.
To be continued.
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