National gazette. — Philadelphia [Pa.], 1793-01-16 00:00:00, page 4

[Continuation of the Debate on Mr.
Steele's motion for the redu&ion of
the Military Establishment of the Uni
ted States ]
~[\ j~, j S PEELE observed, that he
J.";-J. doubted not the committee would
give the fubjeft a conlideralion fnited to
its importance ; if in the course of discus
sion it fliould not appear of tliat impor
tance he had deemed it to b«, they will
treat it accordingly. He fliould not have
risen thus early in the debate, if the gen
tleman last speaking had not controverted
his calculation! by some of his own, with
out (hewing f what fonrce he had ta
ken them. Here Mr. Wadfworth refer
red to the appropriation bills, the princi
pal part of which, he said, he had read.
Mr. Steele proceeded—he recapitulated
the substance of his several statements, to
(hew the progreflive encreafe of the ex
pends of the war department. He de
clared hi [life If superior to any persona!
corifideraiions. or of private pique against
the Secretary of War; and in refpeft to
the Pr fident of the United States, he
prof 'Jed the warmed attachment to his
person and chara£ter. In coming for
wai !on thin occasion, he was actuated by
motw.s of public conlideiation, from a
convx u on that the system now pursued
won ove perni ious in the end.
• ■ r \ ... fworth rose to explain: he
difcivmed all personal considerations ; h«
thought 1 imfelfas much superior to them
as the gentleman i -ft speaking. The modi
of treating the fubjeel adopted by tha'
gentleman had dr. wn forth some remark:
from him, which he considered as ltriAl)
proper, and which be fliould not have dons
his duty not to have made.
Mr. Hartley was again ft adopting th<
motion under the prelent circumltauces o:
the country, and he entered into a parti
cu'ir inveitigation of the merits of th<
qneflion—When the last law for the more
effectual pr reftion of the frontiers pa (Ted
the fubjedt now under confederation wa.
very fully and ably difcufied, and the gen
tlemen who were averse to the augmenta
tion, had ieveral alterations made to satis
fy them.
Inflead of the President's being obliged
to raise the whole of the three regiments,
he was to exercise his difcrstion either tc
make the augmentation complete, or raise
a part, and had authority to disband them
after raised. The rath feftion of the law
is thus expiefTed, " That it shall be law
ful for the President of the United States
to forbear to raise, or te disband after they
shall be raised, the whole or any part ol
the three additional regiments in cafe e
vents shall in his judgment render his fc
doing confident with the public fafety."
We fh uld therefore consider, vvhethei
circumflances have so materially changer
since that time as to render it proper thai
the legifbture fliould interfere, repeal the
powevs given to the Prefidcnt, and dis
charge the three regiments.
This necessarily leads us firft, to view
the fi'ua ion of our finances, and the state
of the frontiers at, and immediately be
fore the time of palling the law.
The extent of our revenue was not as
well known then as at present, and every
good man deprecated the misfortune
which obliged him to encreafe the taxes.
The war was a disagreeable one, but
neceflary, if peace could riot be otherwifi
obtained.
The legislature considered the expence
and were of opinion, that we had mean;
and abilities to defray the fame.
Many murders and ravages had beer
' committed by the savages on the fron-
army had fuffered in the yeai
1790, and nearly a whole army cut off or
the 4th of November 179 1. And wt
have every reason to suppose, that the In
dians wou d ail in great force against us.
Our finances are (till refpedlable—it i:
true, I fliould be happy if we could apply
the money towards uifcharging the na
tioiral debt already contra&ed, but the un
fortunate situation of ourfrontitrs prevents
it.
War—though an evil, may (from the
present disposition of the world) be some
times neceflary, when nations are unrea
sonable, and justice cannot be otherwifc
had.
Hostilities have lately been committed
on our troops commanded by Major A
dair, and several of the southern tribes
shew themselves inimical, and we have no
absolute assurances that we shall have peace
in the spring—The agreement by forre
tribes to a fufpeniion of hostilities, was
convenient to them, as it prote&ed their
tainiliss for the winter.
If the great object of the additional ar
mament wa3 io obtain peace; Sethis is not
yet eftc-fted, may we proivi fe ourselves
more 1 uccefs in negociation by laying
dowa our arms, or by retaining them ?
History is in favor of the latter.
Indeed I hold it as a maxim, that the
nation, which is prepared for war, can
molt ealily obtain peace. For my owa
part, I tan discover no exiting causes ior
altering the system established by the a<£fc,
to which I have before referred.
i he expence has been made a very seri
ous obje&ion: it ought to have weight; but
where measures have bten proper, Ame
rica has not regarded it. She has freely
expended her treasure to support her
rights.
We are bound in juflice and honour to
protect our fellow citizens on the frontiers:
we demand from them an excise—They
require from the general government pro
tection.
I am for making peace with all the In
dians upon reafonablg terms ; but any
country that has been fairly purchased
from the Indians, they should not be per
mitted to re pol'. fs or hold by conquelt.
If an ofFenfive war be neceflary, fays
the gentleman from N. Carolina, regiiflar
troops are not the mod proper to carry ft
on, i hey .ire more expensive and uypfit
to meet the fava ;cs of the wilderness. As
to the expence I have partly answered be
i ore ; but if the gentleman is to have five
expeditions in one year, I be'ieve he would
find that his calculations are not corrcCi :
u misfortune to either detachment or pr.r
'Y would bear very hard upon the diftrift
ihey came from ; the partial loss of regu
<\r'•?, would not be equally felt, very few
sf them having families.
I have a hig.'i opinion of the back-wood d
riflemen, but I am confident that we can
n t certainly rely upon their turning out
is often as they might be wanted ; we
rould not relv on such uncertainty, and
yet this isjoffered as a favorre projedt.
If you cannot rely upon them, you may
ay that the ordinary militia can be draft
id, you would find them unfit for such a
.ervice, they would in general be comnof
;d of substitutes unexperienced and undif
cipliried, and it would be unfair to take
ihem all from the frontiers, & foineof tht
dates, or lealt one, have no militia laws—l
am for retaining the regular troops.
ihe Prefidcnt has prat.ifed ceconomy
in organizing the troops voted for, and I
im tolJ they have made considerable pro-
in discipline ; they are formed intc
legionary corps, composed cf horse, rifle
men, lighi-infantry, and battalion men,
The three former will be fit for a&i\e fer
"ice in the field, the latter for the com
mon duties of the camp or garrison. The
printer mistook my expreflion the othei
Jay in speaking of regular troops. Inlteac
r>f faying, there was no instance where re
?ular troops had been beat by Indians ;
I mentioned " there was no initance dur
ing the late war where regular troop;
were beat by an equal number of Indians.
[ here repeat the lame observation.
I will allow volunteers and militia thei;
ull credit ; but I do not think the regu
lar tro ps merit the disparagement at
LCii.p.ed—Volunteer corps have not bee
free from misfortunes.
Colonel Crawford at the head of yoc
volunteers from Virginia and Pennfylvc
ma, v-as defeated in the weflern country,
add he was burnt at the (take. General
Braddock, it is said, was obstinate, arc
his European troops were undifciplinrj
for such a service. The army under Ge
neral bt. Cinir was 1011, becanfe the mei
were undisciplined and unfitted for the ser
vice.
I can mention several inilances where
regular troops have penetrated the Indi
p.n country, among warlike tribes, with
iuccef.i: Colonel Montgomery into the
Cherokees ; Col, Arroftrong to the Kit
tanig ; Colonel Boquet's campaign ol
1763 and 1764. Three detachments ol
the American army in the year 1 778 ; one
undei the command of Gen. Broadheud ;
one under Lieut, Col. Butler, and the lafl
commanded by your humble servant, pene
trated the country possessed by the fix na
tions. Neither of the detachments was
large j and the la'l had to contend againfl
superior numbers.
In Gen. Sullivan's campaign the year
following, his vsn-guard beat an equal, if
not a superior number of Indians.
I might mention the Roman legions ;
they almost constantly were fuccefsfal a-
gainst those they called barbarians, until
their enemies adopted the Roman disci
pline.
1 reprobate the idea of a ftandingarmy
which might endanger the of this
country ; but I consider the troops con
templated in the ast of Congress, to be
nbfolutcly neceflary until peace (ball be ob
tained : and therefore shall vote againlt a
reduction.
Every step has been taken, and I dart
fay will be pursued by the Prelidcnt, topro
cure a peace without bloodlhed. Our
meflengers of peace have in some places
been murdered, and yet he has sent ir.ef
fengers to others.
I have a high opinion cf the persona!
bravery and ptowefs of an Indian ; but
I do deny that they can a<& to the best ad
vantage in large bodies. They have not
an experience of that kind ; difciplintd
troops would have the advmtage—When
I speak of disciplined troops, I mean s
uifciphne fitted to the country and enemy
they are to ast against.
To be continued.
PKI EE CURRANT. *
a : Dollars. Cents.
rWSHf'.S, pot per ton 9od to too-.
pearl ditto 137 c! la 14CC
Bacon. flitches per lb 8t
ilioulders do 7.
Beef, Boston per b-rrel 7;! to b
Country do Mtoji
Beer, American in bottles
including bottles per doz. id 801
ditto per barrel 5;! 33t
Bees wax per lb 2'c 28c
Brandy, Coniac per gal t.cc 93c
common do 75c 821
Butter in kegs per lb iL'C 13.
Cheese, Country per lb 8c 10;
hngliih
Chocolate jßc 20c
Coal. per bu ' el 20c 22c
Codfilh per cv, t 3d 50.
Coffee per lb icc 171
Copperas per cwt idi
Cordage, American per cwt 7d 67c : c
Cotton per lb 26c 351
I'lax per lb 13c
Flaxfeed per bulh 90c id ici
Hour, Superfine per barrel jd 67c
Common 5d 12c
Bur-midlings, bed 4d 501
Meal Indian 3d ici
Rye, do 3d 3 - c
~-m, Holland per cafe 4d 331
;; per gallon 80c 8-c
C> infeng, 20c 24c
C unpowder, Fine .glazed per q c 41]
f jrain, Barley perbulhel id id 3c
Best (helled per lb 3c
Buckwheat per bufliel 401
Indian corn 5 ;i
Jersey, do s ~,
Oats 3S ,
Rye 601
Wheat rd 31
Hams per lb 10c 1 r 1
Hemp, imported per ton nod i_.6d 6yi
American per lb 4c 5c
Hides, raw per lb 9c 11 <
Hops 2 ~<
Honey per lb 4-
Indigo, Carolina per lb id id 20c
I'reach id 20c id, ;c
Iron, Ba, per ton
Callings per cwt 3d 471
Nail-rods per ton nod me
Pig 24d 26d 671
Sheet 173 d 33c
Irons, fad 133 33c
Lard, hogs per lb ioc iii
Leather, i'oal per lb 14c 17c 20c
Myrtle wax per lb i 2(
Molafles per gallon 53c 57,.
Mustard, flower, in bot...per doz id 201
fi'coiid quality, perdu:: 871
Nails, 8d iod i2d and 2od per lb 10c
Oil, Li ifeed per gallon h?<
Olive " 87c
per cafe 2d 501
Pepper per lb 38:
Pimento ,8c 191
Pitch per'obi id 73c 2<
Porter per calls jd 33c
London per doz id 6o<
Amer. bot. inclu. id 4c id 6c:
Pork, Burlington, per bbl iod 67c ik
Lower county io<
Carolina m
Rice per cwt 2d 881
Ruin, Antigua per gal 1,
Baroadoes 87c
Country, N.E. 65c 67c
Jamaica id 7c
Saltpetre per cwt I4d 33c
Salt, Allum, per bulh 44;
Cadiz
Lilbon 27c
Liverpool 47 t
Snake root per lb 20c 421.
Snuff, per doz. bottles 4d ;d 6oc
- per lb 33c 40c
Soap, Brown per 2b 6c
White g c
Starch per lb y c
Sugar, Havannah, white, per lb 17c 18c
Brown IIC 12c
Muscovado per cwt 13d 15c!
Lump per lb 24c
Loaf, single refined, 25c
double ditto, 36c
Tallow, refined, per lb o C
Tar, Newjerfey 24 S alp'erb'ol id
t Carolina, 32 gal ld 33c , (l 6 . c
Tea, Hyson per tb 93c id 28c
Souchong ' ioc 93c
Holies. 36c
Tobacco, Jamesßiver, best 3d 60c 73 c
Inferior 3d 33c
w 4<i 67c
Kappahannock 3d 03c
Coloured Maryland S'.c 8d
? ark , . « 2d 40c
Long-leaf 2 d 40c
Ealtern-fhore od 2 d 23c
Carolina, new 2d 7c ?d
Old
Turpentine per bbl d 67c 3d
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Lisbon Jq;c j '
Teneriffe per gal J J,
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SA . O R, foixanie cir.q miiie, trois cens, foix
an;e et quatorze Aires, en une fenle piece,
dans le canton le micux de la Caroline Me
ridionalc, le DiftuS de Ninety.Six. Ces terres
loot hti Ees dans une contrce agreable, et falubre,
>u lei Vivres font inconnoef; a environ vingt lieues
deCoiomb.e, la Capitale, et co'ntigues ala villa
Je Cambridge, nil y a College, et Cour fjperi
eure. A environ riouz; lieues, iJ y a bonne nave
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turns on nndti navigable le Grand Salude, riviere
■ arrc • Its terres mimes. Elles font agreable
•nent diverfiliees de coteaox et vallons charmans,
prouirs a ia culture du tabac, ou coton, du malt.
ft dn petit gram ; et dont une proportion confider
«oie le peut atfement convertir e# prairies fertiles.,
ilneeft peut-etre gueres poliible de rencontrerune
pareil!e piece de terre a vendre dans aucun autre
des E'.ats Unis; et pour les conditions de I'ach at
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o'in former a rimprimerie de la Gazette Na
onale - Sept. 5.
LANDS FOR SALE,
TN a well fettled Country. SIXTY-FIVE
THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND
SEVENTY-FOUI* 'CRES OF LAND, in one
budv, in the niuft populous part of the state of
South-Carolina, id chediitndl of Ninety-ilx---It
is HtuaCed in a fine healthy climate,free from fever
& ague,about sixty miles from Columbia, the feat
• t j he land is contiguous to the
town ciy ain bridge, where are a seminary for the
millu£ti< nof youiii, arid a fuperiorlaw court. It
is at {.relent within aN >ut thirty-five miles of good
navigation, with a j ><, i liry of having the river,
:alled (he Great Saluoa, that flows along one fide
01 cue land, made uav The land is beauti
i ally d|vt; lified into swells and vales, and is per-
wcii c iculated tor the culture of tobacco,
cotton, Indian corn, and small grain; a great
proportion otic may be made meadow ground*
There is not, per f ljC • a body of land, focir
cumftanced, for f.il? in any otherof the U: States.
I he terms or payment will be made convenient to
the purch .v»r or purcbifeis. Apply to the Printer.
Auguftag. lawt f
notice.
ALL persons having demands against the estate
of Godfrey farrlcre*, late of Bucks County,
deceas'd, are requested to exhibit their accounts,
properly authenticated, in order for settlement
And those who are indebted to said estate to make
immediate payment, to
JOHN HOUGH, Adminillrator.
Eucks County, Dec. 2S, 1792. 4t.iaw
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