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Parliamentary Proceedings.
House of Commons, Friday, ripri! 27.
[East-India Business.]
LORD NORTH reminded the House, that he had given notice
before the holidays of his intention to bring the present Rate of
toe Eaft-hidia Company's affairs under their consideration, and
that on the 9th instant he had moved, that a Committee of the whole
House be appointed for that purpose on the 25th; on 'l'uefday lad,
however, an honourable friend of his had moved to adjourn the con
sideration to that day; the reason of which was, he had on 'fuel
day morning, for the firff time, been visited by the Chairman and
deputy Chairman of the Company, who had brought with them
propositions for a renewal of the Company's charter, which, on a
perusal, appeared to be of such a nature as to render it impossible for
him, as far as his single opinion went, to fay whether they were enti
tled to a positive alfent, or a positive dissent. The House would, he
trusted, easily fee, that upon a fubje& of such infinite importance,
too much consideration could not be held, and therefore, they would
not wonder at his desiring to postpone entering upon the fubje& for
some little time longer. He meant under this idea, to move, if it
was not irregular, that the order of the day for the House to resolve
itfelf into a committee on the state of India affairs, should be then
lead; after which, he would move, that the order be difeharged,
and follow that with another motion, that the House resolve itfelf
into a Committee upon the fubjedt on Wednesday next, by which
time he hoped to have brought matters into such a state of maturity
with the Chairman and deputy Chairman, as to be fit for reference
to the House, whose wisdom and judgment would necessarily be
wanting to compleat the treaty, and give it fan&ion. He begged
leave however to fay, that the negotiation might possibly not be ripe
enough for lubmiflion to the House even by Wednesday next, in
which case he should be under the necessity of begging a little more
time, and he traded the House would readily content to comply
witn his requisition, let it be repeated, even again and again, because,
as he had before observed, it was his indifpenfible duty to . put mat
ters into such a train, that when fubinitted to Parliament, the House
should, without much difficulty, comprehend the nature of the ne
gociation, the points it turned upon, the degree in which the relative
interests of the Company ana the Public were likely to be affected by
it, and the general tendency of the whole.
There was a consideration relative to the East-Indies, however, his
Lordship said, which, in the mean time, he thought well entitled
to the immediate notice of the House; and that, not more 011 account
of its own importance, than the earnest degree in which the curiosity
of the Public in general were excited refpe&ing it, and the eager
manner ip which their attention was fixed upon it; he meant the late
invasion of the Carnatic by Hyder Ally, and the ravages committed
there in consequence of that invasion. It was not, he observed, till
the holiday week, that any authentic accounts had arrived of the late
events in the Carnatic, or he should have thought it his duty to have
called the attention of the House sooner to the fubjedl, because he
considered every occurrence that affected the territorial possessions of
the Company in so considerable a degree, as an occurrence in which
the Public were materially interested; and therefore as a matter well
worthy the consideration of Parliament. Exclusive however of this
general reason for bringing the late events in the neighbourhood of
the Madrafs Prefidcncy forward, the anxiety of all ranks of. men to
Enow the cause of them, weighed very forcibly with him, as an in
citement to set on foot a Parliamentary enquiry upon the fubje&; he
begged, therefore, that what he had said might be considered as a
notice, that.he should on Monday next move, that a secret committee
be appointed to enquire into the causes of the late irruption of Hyder
Ally into the Carnatic, and of all its mifehievous consequences. His
Lordfltip added, that by moving for this enquiry, he meant not to im
pute blame to any particular individual, or any set of men ; he thought
the Public had a right to be fatisfied upon a point of such real impor
tance, and his sole motive was to obtain that fatisfa&ion in their be
half. At the fame time he thought it right to fay, that his reason
for chuting a secret committee in preference to an open one, was the
greater degree of dispatch, with which business was always done by
tile one fort of comniitttee, than by the other. He should therefore
move on Monday next, as he had mentioned, that a secret Committee
be appointed to enquire into the causes of the late disasters in the Car
natic, and when the Committee brought in their report, it would
then be the fit moment for the House to proceed upon the matter,
and come to such refolutionsas the nature of the 'cafe should appear to
Require.'
Mr. Baker rose to appeal to the noble. Lord, whether it would be
proper for the House to iproceed precipitately to the length of ap
bointfog a secret Committee 011 a fubjed of such infinite import
ance- and whether the House ought not firft to have some proof be
fore them of the cadence of the lags, into the causes of which the
Committee to be chosen on Monday, were to be intruded to en
quire? At present the House knew nothing of any invasion in the
Carnatic; they had no papers,on, the table that contained any such
information, nor was it in anyfParliamentary shape before them; he
Submitted it therefore to the nbble Lord, whether the fa&s ought not
firll to be authenticated, and whether, before they wete authenticated,
it would not be a dire& violation of every rule of proceeding in that
House, as well as an absurdity im itfelf, to chafe a Committee to en
quire into the cause of them?
L^d North said. that the House had very frequently instituted a
Committee for the purpose of enquiring into the causes of events of
much more circumferibed notoriety, than the late invasion of the
Carnatic by Hyder Ally- All that he llad suggested as the object of
investigation, were the causes of that invasion, of which every gen
tleman present could scarce entertain a doubt, and of which the Pub
lic were fullyinformed, from the best authority, the Haft-India Com
pany having published a recital of the leading circuniftances of it in
every newspaper in town, and dated that recital from the India-
House. The fad therefore was fufficiently notorious to warrant that
House to proceed to an immediate enquiry into the causes of it, and
that enquiry was due to the Public.
Mr. Fox said what had fallen from the noble Lord had given him
the highest fatisfadion. The noble Lord's argument was perfectly
wife and politic, and though it came a little aukwardly from the
noble Lord's mouth; he congratulated him sincerely on his having at
length embraced .a dp&rine, which, in a variety of other cases, the
hoble Lord had refitted and opposed, and, unfortunately, gem rally
with success. When fads of such vast importance to the Public, is
the late invasion of the Carnatic, and the disasters that followed it,
had become a matter of public notoriety, he was ready to join issue
with the noble Lord against his Hon. Friend, and to declare that it
was necessary to proceed to an immediate enquiry into the causes of
these misfortunes, and that it would be childish to wait for minute
proofs of the particulars. In cases of such magnitude, forms were a
mere farce, arid no man of real political wisdom ought to let them
stand in the way of enquiry. If there was such a thing as a certain
rule of policy, this was that rule, and he rejoiced that the noble
Lord had followed it in the } refeat instance. He was right for the
firfl time, and he gave him full credit for being so; at the fame time
however, he hoped he would never go back to his old custom of ant
ing in a very different manner. In the present instance, he was con
vinced, that if, upon its being aflted who was the cause of the dis
asters in the Carnatic ? it would be anfwered—Hyder Ally was the
cause; the noble Lord would laugh in the face of the man who should
be weak enough to offer such a ridiculous reply, and to think that
such a reply conveyed the fatisfa&ion required. And yet the House
would recoiled on how many occasions the noble Lord had answered
cxa&ly in the fame , Pile. When it bad been aiked, what was the
cause of the American war ? the noble Lord had answered, the A
mericans were the cause ! Again, as to the cause of the French war,
the Spaniel war, and the Dutch war ; a similar answer had been gi
ven. In like manner when an enquiry had been attempted into the
cause of the loss or our Wed-India islands, the answer given was, the
French took them from us, andconfequently they were the cause of
( ar luring those islands; but now, he flattered himlelf, there would
te an end to these puerilities and absurdities, and when a Committee
should be moved for to enquire into the causes of the } resent calami
tous impoverished, and degraded Rate of the nation, the noble Lord
would be among the firft to forward the measure, and fapport a mo
tion of that fort ; if not, the world would fee, that in his own case,
or where his own condud was likely to be involved in the confeder
ation, and he was, of course, to be affeded by the consequence, the
noble Lord Lt his Lee againfl all enquiry ; but where he vas a by
ftandcr (for flrange as it was fur the Minifler of this country, to ap
pe .r in the chara&er of a byflander, with regard to the iitaatiou oi
our affairs in India, yet in some degree, the noble Lord might be ,c
considered) the noble Lord could aft as uprightly, as wifely and a;
fairly as any other man in the kingdom.
Lord North made a short reply to Mr. Fox, and said, that he ne
ver had oppoled an enquiry into bis own copdud ; nor ever feared
one. If his opinion was asked, whether the American war was ow-
TK to tbe ambition and luff of power of the rebellious Americans, ex
to trie opprehion of the Britiffi Government, he undoubtedly should
answer, that he .thought the causes of that war were.the ambition
and impatience of government of the rebellious Americans. In the
enquiry, which he wished to institute, possibly it might come out,
that the causes of the disasters in the Carnatic^ were the ambition,
rapacity, and desire of dominion of Hyder Ally. ,
General Smith said, he hoped the noble Lord did not mean to con
"ne "? e enquiry merely to the late events in the Carnatic ;he would
tell him before hand, that it would be absolutely necessary to extend
it to an investigation of the adminihration of justice in Bengal, be
cause it would, he was convinced, appear, that the late disasters were
traceable to that source, and in fad, that they were the immediate
confequeqces of measures adopted at Calcutta. ..
Lord North laid, he meant to institute a Committee to enquire in
to the causes of the late disasters in the Carnatic, but if in the pro
gress of that enquiry it should appear, that the administration of
jullicc in Bengal was among the causes of those disasters, the Commit
tee, undoubtedly, would turn their attention to that circumstance.
He had, in his view of the matter, tlwught it wiser to chufe the
principal and immediate events of the Carnatic, as the object of the
enquiry, than to take a wider field, because, in the one case he con
ceived the Committee would, much sooner be enabled to conje at the
truth, and report fufficier.f.data to the House,. for them to proceed
u P on , than in the other..
Mr. Burke enlarged very confidently or'the ideas suggested by
General Smith, and said, he hoped the noble Lord meant not so
much to narrow the fubjed of the enquiry, as to confine it merely,
to the events of any particular and circumferibed diftri& of India, be
cause in that case it would wear an appearance very different from
what, he was persuaded, was the noble Lord's withes or intentions.
What he meant was, it would look as if tlie enquiry was set on foot,
not for the purpose of justice, but with a view to aflift; this or that
faction in India, and to further some paltry private object. He
would advise the noble Lord therefore to extend it.fo far, as. to let it
take in all that could be comprehended in an easy, practicable way
of business investigation ; meaning as little, as the noble Lord, to ex
tend it to all the aftairs of India, which were a consideration of an
infinite nature, and much too large for the House to attempt witli
any hopes of compleating, in a moderate portion of time. And this
advice he offered for two reasons; the one was, because he consider
ed the administration of justice in Bengal as having immediate and
inseparable relation to the late events in the Carnatic; the other, be
cause by going as fully into the matter, as the nature of the case
would allow, the objections to which a secret Committee was liable,
would be, in a great measure, done away. And here, he said, he
was far from condemning a secret Committee; he knew that a secret
Committee was the only effectual way of doing business, but then it
was unavoidably, and from its nature, the cause of public suspicion;
his with, therefore, was to lessen the suspicion and encreaic the cf
le& ; and this he thought would be the consequence of taking up the
enquiry on broad grounds. In that case the Public would have confi
dence in the Committee, qnd would look for success from their efforts.
He repeated it however, that he meant not to dire& the enquiry to
a general consideration of the affairs of India. He had, for along
time, been employed in examining and searching into them ; and he
knew, from experience, that they were at once too extended and too
complicated, and had the views, passions, and intereAs of too many
different men connected and blended with them, to be easily deve
loped or tolerably understood on a sudden.
Lord Nwib rose once more to assure the Hon. Member that he had
not the most distant wifti, that the enquiry should be a partial one.
He considered the fubjedl as extremely weighty and important, and
he hoped it would be enquired into fairly, seriously, and dispassionate
ly. His Lordihip again explained his reasons, why he thought it
more advrfeable to point the enquiry only to the affairs of the.Car
natic, and added, that every thing, which in the course of the. in
vestigation should appear to have been among the causes of the disas
ters in that diftria of India, would necessarily fall within its
ftope.
"' Gregory said, he was heartily glad to find, late as it Was, that
the affairs of India were likely to be taken into the serious confeder
ation cf that House. He wished it had happened to have been the
case earlier, because, he was convinced, if it had, the extent of tike
late mifehiefs would have been much ltfs than, unfortunately, they
had been. In the course of the enquiry, it would be material to
know how it happened, after vy.e had driven the French out of India,
that Hyder Ally ravaged the Carnatic, and not only broke in upon
the possessions of our allies, but upon those of the Company, and
marched up almost to $e very walls cf Fort St. George, without
any one measure appearing to have been taken by those in power in
India, to prevent such a disaster from happening, or to flop the ex
tent of it when it did happen.
This was essentially necessary, and he hoped that exemplary punish
ment would fall upon that man, or those men, who, from the en
quiry, Should turn out to be guilty in the particular above stated, be
they whom they would; if it Should be proved that the disasters ori
ginated in the rapacity of those in power, they ought to be punished
without regard to personal influence, wealth, power, connection,
or any other consideration: Mr. Gregory concluded with faying,
that, late as it was in the feafoii, feme Ships Were just now preparing
for their voyage, and their carrying over information to India, that
the British Legislature had entered upon the serious consideration cf
the Slate of that country, and of the causes of the late events there,
would, he was persuaded, be attended with the most Salutary con
sequences; he, therefore, for one, was ready to give the measure
every assistance in his power.
The order was difeharged, qnd a frefh order made for the House
to go into a Committee next Wednesday.
[To BE CONTINUED.]
GEORGIA LOYALISTS.
ACTIVE able bodied YOUNG MEN, who are willing to
serve his Majesty, in the GEORGIA. LOYALISTS, com
manded by James Wrlgut, Esq; Major Commandant, on apply
ing to Capt. Randell, or Ensign Waldro n, at their quarters
No. 88, King-street, nearly opposite to the Commandant's, Shall
meet vith the best encouragement, and receive a genteel bounty.
Any person bringing a likely Recruit to either of the above named
Officers, fliall be paid Eight Dollars for their trouble. *
To be LEASED upon such moderate terms as cannot in reason be
objebied against,
A Valuable WHARF; also, a LOT of LAND upon the
Bay, whereon are brick foundations with the wallsil cf en
tire, which with very little expence may be rendered dwells r
ware houfts, the Situation agreeable, and as convenient for trade a^
any part of the town; likewise, to be hired out, a Negro Man, wh<
is a plain cook, good waiting man and boatman. Lnquire of the
Printers. *b.
CT ^HE fubferiber intending for England by theist of No-
I vember next, desires all persons indebted to him to difeharge
their refpe&ive debts by the ill day of September, as he is determi
ned to put in suit all debts that can be come at, without diftin&ion
of persons. Also, those who have legal demands against the estate
cf Mr. John Matthews, late of St. John's Parish, are desired to
give in t/me z date of their accounts properly attested, by the above
time, otherwise they will be excluded. | . JAMES LYNAH.
Cbarleftozan, lAth °fol% 1781.
A S the partnership of Rettery and Renny uiifoives on
the 20th instant, by mutual content, they request all in
debted to pay their accounts' and Al that haze demands to
call for payment. *c^
For L O N.l) 0
To foil -Neb
. -' he Sln? L ° N D O^
John Rainier, Mailer;
~ito.—p art ,,[ h er -cargo- already engaged; for freight of the
remainder, or pallage having good accommodations, apply tv the
Captain, Messrs. George Ancrum, & Co. or
j GREENWOOD & LEGGE, No. 44, Bay.
] b'l F° r London immediately,
The SH " mar s,•
K^ CT'4, Captam Walter Dowdall;
d A fine flout vessel, to fail with or without convoy.
Q For Freight of about three hundred barrels, or Pal-
Yu^rf^A^l&A^^ Laving good accommodations, apply to tie
^=^k^L^±=iL laid Captain on board, at Cbamnneys's wharf, or
GREENWOOD & LEGGE,
%//v 3d, 1781.. J No. 44, on the Bav.
COLIN M'LACIILAN,
At No. 38, on the Bay, second Door South of Elliot -ftreet,-
HAS again begun Business, returns Thanks to his former
Customers, and Shall be much obliged by a Renewal of them
Favours, hoping to serve them on equal Terms with any.
He KAS AT PRESENT FOR Sale,
JAMAICA and other Rum Coffee and Chocolate
Madeira and Port Wines by Pickles
the Gallon and Dozen Snuff in Bottles and Bladders
Loaf and Mufeovado Sugar Porter, Cheese, Muflard & Pepper
Hyfon and Bohea Teas Gin, Shrub, Sago and Ilinglafs
Sherry Wine of the firft Quality &c. &c. &c.
Any Orders from the Gentlemen of the Navy and Army from
, Town and Country gratefully acknowledged, and executed with ah
poflible Attention and Dispatch.
N. B. Part ofa Cellar and back Storage Room to let.^
F'OR sale, or to be exchanged for a HOUSE in Charleftown, a
remarkable fine faft-failing Virginia BOAT, about 45 tons,
uncommonly strong built, now fit for fca, being clean and iir
good order. Enquire of the Printers.±
A LL persons anywise indebted to the late William Cbifolme,
of Charleftown, house-carpenter, deceased, are hereby
called upon to difeharge their refpedive debts ; and thole who
Lave any demands to deliver them in, properly attested, to
t JOHN DEAS, Administrator.
TO BE SOLD,
A PLANTATION on James-Island, containing near 400
acres, as good land as any on the illand, with a good two-ilory
brick house with four rooms on a floor, and dry cellars, a large barn,
and every other convenient building for a fettled plantation, five
miles from town. Payment will be made easy for the purchaser.
Enquire of Mr. JohnTunno, near the south end of the Bay. *b
JAMES COATS intending to leave the province of South-
Carolina by the firft opportunity, begs all those indebted to
him will make immediate payment; and those who may have
claims, are requeued to make them known ac No. 33, Church
ftreet. %/, 26, 1781. t
BYPERMISSIO N.
To be. Sold at Private Sale,
A LOT or PIECE of LAND, the corner of Beresford's
Alley and Chuich-ftreet, whereon are-two houies and a blacks
Smith's flop, viz. No. 99 and 100, in Chuich-ftreet; No. 100 io ^
fine large house, containing 11 good rooms, with cioftts, ano a good
brick cellar, with a kitchen and necessary, every way fit either for a
tavern or boarding-boule ; No. 99, '° " final! house of 5 rooms, with
clofcts, kitchen, necedary, &c. and in as good a firuation for trade as
any in Ch urch-ftreet: the blacksmith's Ihop, at a imali expence,
might be made a comfortable dwelling-hcufe. The pt etent rent
for the whole is £.250 hurling per annum. Any person inclining to
ptirchafe, shall have the whole at Six Hundred Guineas, either in ealh
'or good bills. PoffUion may be had in one month after the fate, it
required. For further particulars enquire at No. 28, on the Bay,
- near the Exchange, cf JOHN ROBERTSON.
Cherlefaren, Au^up I/?, T/Bl.|
RUN away from the fubferiber, a Muftee Fellow named
MOSES, born in this province, about 20 years of age, 5 feet 5
or 6 inches high; loves rum, is remarkably artful and planhole jbe
is well known hrCharleftown, where he has a wife belonging to Mr.%-
' Snelling; he has been ftan in a fifthng boat, and lately working car
board a°vcfiel in the harbour. 1 will give a reward of FOUR DOL
LARS toan,perfon that will deliver him to Mauri-okSimons,
Esq- or confine him in the Sugar-house in Chadeftown ; and I will
c/ve a reward of TEN GUINEAS to any person that will give fuff—
cient proof of his being harcoureo by a Ghee perfon,m that the ( --
fender may be convicted. | ]O. L, .... ^-OL.
| yUST E^DGRDED,
JAMES M'MUgR AY, & C J
N° e 54, Quren^fhrect,
F^^"^"^ Broun Cloths of fashions
X CaStile Soap.in Boxes lours, with Trimmings
Mallard in had & quarter pound Negro Cloathing, bß^ r ,
Bottles white '"
Blacking Ball and Lampblack Mens and Womens Silk - 1 .
Paints ground in Oil Thread Stockings"
Lintfeed Oil in jars from one to ] A neat A ffortment of LurA
three Gallons i Gin in ca<s
Cordage from 3to 7, Inches | &c &c. &c.p
'J 'HE Co-partnership of Lamotte & Geyer being
JL Solved by mutual consent 011 the rich of July, it is requited
all those indebted to the said company, will difeharge their
immediately; and all those who have any demands against th,
co-partnership, are desired to render in their accounts, to ""'
t JOHN GEYER,>No. 87, Chuich-ftreet
o Who begs leave to inform his Friends in particular and the p h
in general, that he means to continue the business; and has for
on the most reasonable terms, a general assortment of EUROPr^
and EAST-INDIA GOODS, fuitablero the season."
T HE fubferiber takes this method of acquainting thel%L'
# lie in general, the Gentlemen of the Army, and his Friend
in particular, that lie has taken that commodious and fpacio^
Long Room, No. 82, in Cburcb-ftreet,
. lately in the possession of Mr. William Holiday, deceased u'
he has opened as
A Tavern and Coffee-House.।
Having laid in a flock of the best Liquors to be had in this ph c t
he flatters himfclf that from his attention, and providing alfo|
the bed of every thing the country will afford, he may merit tl^'
f ^r. 1 N CORA
1 For L b ^L, .
AhW The ShIP PALL AS,
*° EORGE Cletland, Master;
< Wr " kDown for a,fine Ship, and a remarkable sass
<'O%*,¥ Sailer, mounting 14 guns, with men anfwciM
g^u Part of her cargo already provided'
^riXrtt—. ~d.towixl fail as Soon as loaded, witli 01 without convoy'
as moll agreeable to the Shippers. For freight or passage, having &
cellent accommodations, apply to tlie Captain on board, or to
0 A WILLIAM SMITH No. 72 Rav