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House of Commons, Wednesday, November 29.
Mr. F. Fovunjbend rose and said, as he understood the navy
estimates wduld be brought on previous to the recess, he
wiihed to have certain papers laid before the House relative to
the navy, antecedent to the House's proceeding upon those
estimates ; and from some words that had dropped last Friday
from a Right Hon. Gentleman, whom he did not then fee in
his place, he had reason to believe that the papers he meant to
move for, would not meet with the least objection. He con
cluded with moving for
“ An account ofthe number of flag officers (exclusive ofthofe
tinder the description of superannuated,) upon Rear and Ad
miral's half pay) at the conclufon of the last war with France
and Spain." Also
“ A lift of flag officers, distinguishing those upon service and
those upon half-pay." And also
“ A lift of the number of Captains, Masters, and Comman
ders, who have been promoted to those ranks since the peace
of Paris, distinguishing those upon half-pay."
Mr. Buller rose, and said, as he did not now belong to the
Admiralty-office, he did not rife to answer for the Admiralty,
or to object to the motion, nor did he believe any objection
would be made ; but as no person belonging to the Admiralty
was present, he submitted it to the Hon. Gentleman, whether
it would noi be more fair for him to make his motion after the
recess, when persons were present who could fay whether the
motion was such as ought to be complied with or not.
Mr. Fownfhend tyd, his motion depended upon time, and
the sooner the papers were before the Houfdthe better. Be
sides, as he understood the House meant to adjourn over Fri
day, he should have no other opportunity if he loft the present.
lie added, that he had ihewn his motion indiferiminately to
many persons, and he had not heard the flighted objection
to it.
Parliamentary Proceedings.
House of Commons, Monday, November 27.
MR. Fox declared himfelf against the motion generally, as
giving a fandion to the American war ; in which he con
sidered even our victories as ruinous.
Mr. Adam replied to Mr. Fox ; and argued, that, accord
ing to his doctrine of not thanking our generals for victories,
fume praise would have been due to Earl Cornwallis had he re
treated; but a triumph Ihould have been voted to him, had he
fuffcred himfelf to be conquered.
Major Hartley gave his negative to the motion without any
fttiking argument.,
Lord Surrey wished the thanks had been 'confined to Lord
'Cornwallis, as his Lordihip only had been mentioned, when
the motion was announced, and when he promised it his sup
port.
Sir Francis Bafet contended, that the merits ofthe war made
no part of the lloufe's consideration ; “ for that an officer in
the army was bound to obey the orders of his King, whatever
they were."
Sir George Saville desired those words might be taken down?
—but the house interfered, and
Sir Francis explained himfelf. Tle said he meant when those
orders were to a& against the avowed enemies of this country:
he contended that the Americans were the avowed enemies of
this country, and challenged the House to contradict the asser
tion.
Sir George Yonge wished to have the motion for thanks to each
officer separate ; and therefore moved, that all the previous
part of it relating to Sir Henry Clinton be omitted.
Some conversation ensued upon the propriety of this amend
ment, between Lord North, Mr, Fox, the Speaker, Sir George
Yonge, and Mr. Byng, the latter of whom went more largely
into the general question.
The Solicitor General then took up the general question upon
Mr. Fox's ground, and used a variety of arguments, to prove,
that it was injurious to the essential interests of this nation, to
withhold due praise from our officers, upon differences in poli
tical opinions'; He concluded, however, with this obferva
tibn, “ that he fufpeded the endeavours of some gentlemen to
separate the 'perfons in the vote of thanks, more calculated to
df grace one man, than to honour the other."
Mr. Fox replied Fully, but complained that the question at
large Ihould be taken up, after it seemed to be generally a
greed not to enter into the grand merits of the American war.
The arguments pro and con between these two gentlemen
would fill a newspaper; it would be idle therefore to attempt
to enter largely into them, in the space which is allotted for the
debates in this paper.. Suffice it that they did great honour to
the learned and ingenious adversaries.
Lord Matron objected to vote thanks to Lord Cornwallis,
on account of his severity to the Americans who had fubmited,
and afterwards falfified their oaths of allegiance: in defence of
his opinion he m^-quoted. Sir William Blackstone.
Sir fol:n Vfrottefey ridiculed the idea of thanking a general
for beating the French^ drawn up upon the right wing, but
not for beating the Americans drawn up on the left.
Mr. Y. TownJbend observed, that there seemed an equal im
propriety in thanking Lord Cornwallis and General Clinton,
for beating the Americans only ; and not thanking General
Prevoft, because, with the Americans he had also beat the
French.—He observed, that there was another reason, arising
from delicacy, that General Prevoft should also be noticed,—
he was a foreigner!
Mr. Sheridan wished, that the words “ important services,"
might be changed for “ exemplary behaviour," or some other
words, not implying any approbation of the American war,
in order to obtain unanimity.
Mr. Fox also seemed to give up a little, and condescended,
with such an alteration, to promise his assent, —but no relaxa
tion of terms would be heard;, and the original motion, with
Lord Beauchamp's amendment, was carried, though not With
out a negative; yet without a division.
The House then adjourned.
House of Commons, Tue/ddy, November 28.
READ thh firit time the bill for appointing Additional Com
missioners of Land Tax.
Ordered in a bill for punishing Mutiny and Desertion.
Mr. Ord brought up the report of the Committee upon the
army estimates, which being read by the Clerk, under the
various heads that appeared in our last paper,
Mr. Hufe, objected to the resolutions of the Committee,
and moved that the report be recommitted. This brought
on along, dry and uninteresting debate, in which the speakers
in the opposition made frequent allusions to the American
war, Col. Fullarton's and Col. Humberfton's corps, &c. &c.
On a division, the recommitment was over-ruled, oy 108
to 36, and the report was afterwards agreed to without a
division.\
The motion was put and carried.
Colonel Barre offered a motion, which he withdrew on Lord
North's starting an objection, not to the motion itfelf, but to
the time of making it, and submitting it to the Colonel, whe
ther it was prudent, that he should then move such a matter .
The Colonel withdrew his firit motion, upon this hint, and
then made two others, relative to exports and imports, up to
the end of the year 1780.
These motions passed, but a short conversation took place
Upon them, in which Colonel Barre was remarkably civil and
com plying.
Lord Mahon recalled the attention ofthe House to the very
important fubjeft which he had touched upon the preceding e-
Adjourned to to-morrow.
Vening, viz. the encreafing depopulation of Great,Britain, and
the comparatively superior population of France and America.
His Lordfllip said the matter ws well worthy the most serious
consideration ofthe House, tht it called for the immediate at
tention of Parliament, and ou;ht to be gone into with earnest
ness and without loss of time ; what he had taken the liberty of
faying the preceding day, wasfouhded upon certain and indu
bitable proofs, but as he coud only state it as a part of his
speech, he wished the Houfeto have better evidence than his
argument, and therefore memt to call for some papers^ tend
ing in the cleared and most accurate manner to afeertain the
fad. Some such papers, headded, had been called for two
years and a half ago, but th? matter had been then dropped.
His Lordihip moved,
" That there be laid before this House a particular account
of the number of houses andcottages charged, chargeable, dis
charged and hot charged, wito the duties on houses and windows,
both inhabited and uninhabited, within that part of Great-
Britain called England, in Wales, the Town of Berwick upon
Tweed ; and also that part of Great-Britain called Scotland,
distinguishing all the counties in which they lie (and with ref
peA to houses situated within any city having not less than 400
houses, distinguishing also the said city), and likewise distin
guishing the several clefts of houses as they are assessed, and
pay to the duties on houses and windows for each year, from
the beginning of the year 1750 to the year 1779 inclusively."
The House then refolding itfelf into a Committee of Supply,
Mr. # Ord took his feat at the table, when
Sir Charles Cocks (Clerk of the Ordnance) rose, and in the
ufital manner opened the estimates of the expence of the ord
nance, for 1781, under the three heads of ordnance ordinary,
extraordinary, and unprovided services. Sir Charles went into
a long and circumftahtial detail ofthe charges incurred and da
ted under each separate head; by which it appeared that, up
on the whole, there was a considerable excels over the esti
mates of the last year, which Sir Charles endeavoured to ac
count for, by declaring, that a very great part of the exceed
ing was occasioned by charges incurred in 1779, the demands
for whicli were not made at the Ordnance Board till after the
delivery of the last year's estimates: In the course of his speech,
Sir Charles descanted on the several causes for so large an esti
mate, dating the fortifications at Gibraltar, the great demand
for ordnance of all kinds in confequehce of the various services
of the war, the works carrying on at Partfmouth and Chatham,
the expence of the late encampments near town, the number
of veliels belonging to the Board of Ordnance, which Were
employed in the navy, and a variety of other matters. Sir
Charles before he fat down said, that such had been the care
and assiduity of the noble Lord, who presided, and the rest of
the Board, that although his Majesty's arsenals and magazines
were formerly left in a miserable state of unprovifion, they were
now full of itores of every kind, and so much was ready at
Woolwich and elsewhere, that he would venture to fay, let
the demands of the ensuing year be what they might, the Ord
nance Office was fufficiently prepared to answer them imme
diately.
Capt. Minchin aiked, if the 6, pool, charged in the estimate
for Plymouth, was all that was spent on the new works there,
out of the 20,0001. voted for that service last year; and if so,
where were the remaining 14,0061.?
Sir Charles Cocks in reply said, he believed the whole of that
20,0001. was expended, and that the 6,0001. now charged was
for expences incurred, over and above the 20,000!. voted last
year.
Mr. Sawbridge complained of the artillery drivers being al
lowed half-pay. As their duty when employed was labour, he
thougnt they ought not to have any pay, but when they were
employed.
Sir %/%^ Maruby asked, why the office bflnfpe&or Gene
ral of the iron ordnance was continued. He conceived it to
be a mere sinecure, and understood that it was contrived solely
to recompence Gen. Defaguliers, with a salary of 5001. per
annum, for some ingenious invention. That gentleman being
dead, he saw no manner of reason for continuing to burthen
the publick with the payment of the salary.
Sir Charles Cocks said, the office was not a sinecure ; that
Gen. Defaguliers had invented an instrument, by which the
truth of the bore of every piece of ordnance was ascertained,
previous to the piece being proved on a proof day ; that this
instrument it was the duty or the Infpe^or General of the iron
ordnance to apply to each piece of ordnance, and if he was ill,
the Fire Matter's Mate did the duty, and had a salary of Sol. a
year for it, which was well deserved by the Captain who held
t^e ^ce, he being as good an officer as any in Woolwich-yard.
Sir Charles added likewise, that the place was not a new one,
there having been formerly a person called the Infpedor Gene
ral of the brass ordnance, whose office was in truth a mere
sinecure.
„ Sir fofe,h was not fatisfied, and still argued against the con
tinuance of such an office.
Sir George Saville aiked a question relative to the charges for
transport service, which Sir Charles fully answered, and then
the firft question was put, as follows:
“ Resolved, that it is the opinion of this Committee,
" That afum not exceeding 582,929!. 11s. gd. be granted to
his Majesty for defraying the expences of the services perform
ed by the office of ordnance for land service for the year 1781."
This was carried, and afterwards the following:
“ That a sum not exceeding 447,1821. 4s. 6d. be granted to
his Majesty for defraying the expence of the service performed
by the Office of Ordnance for 1780, and not provided for."
" 1,500,0001. for paying off the Exchequer bills of the last
session." And also
“ 1,000,000 for paying off Exchequer bills, pursuant to a
vote of credit of the last sessions."
[To be continued.]
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