The royal gazette — [Charleston] S.C., 1781-09-05 00:00:00, page 4

Parliamentary Proceedings.
House ^Commons, Thursday, May io.
C COLONEL Barre spoke for a cohfiderable time, and began with
J aiding the noble Lord, wliat part of the proceedings of the
Commissioners of Accounts he could point out as a matter, to the
execution of which a Committee of Members of that House would
hot have been competent ? It was true, that the reports of the Com
mittee above flairs were not equally accurate and fatisfa&ory with
the reports of the Commiflioners of Accounts; and what was the
reason of the difference? The Committees above flairs were not arm
ed with the fame powers. They could not give an opinion; they
Were absolutely bound down to facts, and therefore a volume of
crude, 'indigefted evidence, scarcely intelligible, and which few
Members of the House gave themselves the trouble to read, and
When they did, fewer still could underhand, generally formed their
reports. After descanting for some time on the great impropriety
of delegating the duty of the House, and giving its authority to men
who were not Members, the Colonel differed from his honourable
friend, and said, he had rather have the present Commissioners, than
none. Next to the Committee of Members, he should prefer the
gentlemen now employed; they had proved themselves able, honest,
arid upright men, and had his warm applause. He thanked Lord
North likewise for taking the -matter out of his hand; and allured
him that he did. so Sincerely, both as a private and a public man.
During a War like that this country was now engaged in, there
ought always to subsist a Commission of Accounts. Of the present
Comraiffion, he augured well, and gave the noble Lord credit for it.
The noble Lord, by talcing the matter out of his hands, gave it
weight, and he doubled not would insure it success. The Colonel
took notice of the noble Lord's declining to claim any powers of wit,
and complimented him on his possessing a great deal. If he had not
dhewn much that day, it was because he flood on good and firm
ground, where sense and seriousness well became him, and where
jokes and witticisms were altogether unnecessary. If the noble Lord,
however, had not tha. day been witty himfelf, he had been the
cause of wit in others.
Mr. Burt™ (Member for Heytefbury) made his maiden speech,
and in found, manly language, declared he rose to withstand any
attempt either to ridicule, or to censure thd Commissioners of Ac
counts and their reports. Both deserved the warmed: commenda
tion, and he did not doubt but great benefit would result to the pub
lic, in consequence of the Commissioners continuing their labours.
The only ground of fault was, that the Commission was not thought
of sooner.
Mr. T. T&wnfocnd made a short speech, in which he chiefly spoke
of the intention of the noble Lord to fimplify and consolidate the
Custom-house duties He commended that measure, and trusted
that the noble Lord would make an effectual reform, without being
warped by any pitiful wish to pfeferve his influence in those boroughs
that were on the sea-coasts. Mr. Townfhend approved the idea of
expediting the palling of public accounts. He said, it was now nine
teen years since he had been a public accountant, and he dared ven
ture to aflert, that for five year^ to come, his accounts would not be
passed. He added, thank God, he was rather a young than an old
man; but if he had been upon his death-bed, it would have given
him great uneasiness to have reflected, that he must have left his ac
counts in the care, perhaps, of women and children.
Mr. Viner thought the circumstance of making Receivers-General
of the Land-tax pay a poundage of one per cent, for all monies de
tained by them after a certain period, would rather tend to induce
them to detain larger sums than they nbw did, as they could make
five per cent, of the money, than to remit it more fpeedil,.
Lord North rose to explain, ahd-fald, that as he intended they
should pay five per cent, exclusive of losing their poundage, he could
rot imagine the bill he intended to bring in would have any such ef
fect. lie thanked the Hon. Gentleman, however, for his suggestion,
and hoped that, during the progress of the business through its vari
ous Rages, gentlemen would freely speak their minds on the fubjea,
as he should be glad to profit by any hint of improvement that could
ne fuggefted.'
The three motions passed the Committee, and at half after eight
the House rose,
House of Commons, Friday, May it, 1781.
AS soon as Mr. Ord brought up the report of the Committee of
the whole House, upon the reports of the Commissioners of public
accounts, and the fame was moved to be dead,
It w(is read as follows:
" That it is the opinion of this Committee, that leave be given to
bring in a Bill for better enforcing the payment of the monies raised
by the land-tax in Great Britain, and for the more speedy recovery of
debts due to the Crown.
" A Bill for the payment of all balances due from public officers
to the Exchequer, and for indemnifying persons in so doing.
" A Bill for extending the Act relative to the Commissioners of
public accounts for the term of one year."
Lord Nugent rose, said Something triumphant on the subject) at
the fame time reprobating the doctrine held by Mr. Burke on a pre
ceding day, and declaring, that it was these careful reforms, begun
in parts, and not large, extensive, and almost impracticable plans of
innovation, that proinifed good to the public, and fafety to the con
stitution. His Lordship said, there was a faying of Sarah, the old
Duchess of Marlborough, which he much admired, and that was,
" Take care of the Killings and sixpences, and the pounds will take
“ care of themselves."
Ffr. T. Townfoend made a long and warm reply to the noble Lord,
in the course of which he went over the old ground of argument a
gainst the Commission, and declared, that as often as the noble Lord
in the blue ribbon, or any of his friends for him, affirmed any merit
en the score of the reports of the Commissioners, so often would he
rife and state, that the noble Lord never said a syllable refpeding a
Commission of accounts, till an honourable friend of his proposed
one, and then the noble Lord in a manner altogether unusual, snat
ched it out of his hands. Mr. Townfhend added a great variety of
other matter,
Mr. Burke defended his former arguments, at the fame time fuper
adding an infinite number of new ones. Being in a fanciful humour
when he rose, he treated Lord Nugent's attack upon him with a
wonderful deal of wit and pleasantry. Notwithstanding the noble
Lord's predilection in favour of small, minute systems of reform,
and his being displeased at his laughing at them, he mud still be of
opinion that large, noble, and important plans of alteration were the
fit objects of national and parliamentary proceedings, and the fit ob
ject of sober; serious, and solemn enquiry. Little and minute par
ticulars, naturally begot laughter, and the reason was, that though
it might not be right to ridicule them, it was impossible to regard
them without laughing, because they were perfectly ridiculous in
tnemfelvek Since the noble Lord thought proper to quote a faring
of Sarah, Duchess of Marlborough about pounds and shillings; he
could not but remark that, if the noble Lord was, out of the gui
neas, that were to take care of themselves, to employ his time in fa
bricating a gold chain to catch fleas with, and to faften about their
necks, in all probability he should admire the workmanfllip, for its
fine execution; but, at tne fame time, he could not avoid laughing at
it, because there would be something truly ridiculous in the noble
Lord s having spent his time in such a manner. And so, with all
other small and minute performances, whether it was contriving to
put a house in a nut-lhell, or any other matter of equal difficulty of
compression; intd such a compass. He compared Lord Nugent to a
cat, which he laid was a miniature of a lion, or a tygef; and when
the noble Lord in that character had got hold of that miserable ani
mal a mouse, (which the nobie Lord's propofitioris of reform might
be considered,) the liable Lord made 3 great and triumphant noise,
but wha & was it ? It was Dewing and not roarinr.=-the paltry noise
0. a cat, not the dignity of found, the majesty of voice that came
"?™ ° r " e tyger! From this Mr. Burke went to various
other figurative expressions, and said, that if any matter was submit
ted to hrs inaction as 4 curious piece of workmanffiip, he still must
confider of what it was made, and for what use; for example if an
iron tobacco box was brought him, he might poflibly admire the
fafhion of it, and the,devices on its cover and frdes, but he still should
not forget that it was made of iron, and that handsome as it was it
was nothing more than a tobacco box. The noble Lord, therefore
must not be angry with him for what he had said of the Commission
°' Accounts; with regard to the Commissioners, every gentleman,
present tne..preceding day, knew, that he had not dropped a syllable
to their dispraise; so far from it, that the noble Lord in the blue
ribband had taken what he had said upon that head, as a ground that
it was admitted that they had done their duty, were perfectly honest
and perfectly capable, and that being admitted, had contended that
there could be no argument against their being continued in office
another year. Mr. Burke at length grew seriously warm, and ar
gued strenuously against the Commissioners being authorized for ano
ther year.
Mr. Pulteney contended, that making the Receivers General of
counties liable to the loss of their 2^l poundage on all monies kept
in their hands, longer than a limited time, was not a fufficient en
forcement on them to remit the money earlier than they now did,
but was likely to operate the other way. He therefore advised the
adding a penalty of five per cent, on all that was detained.
Lord North rose and told the Hon. Gentleman, that what he re
commended was already in the Bill.
Colonel Barre alked, if his consenting that the motion for leave to
bring in a Bill for continuing the commission another year, would
preclude him from afterwards moving, at the proper time, that it be
an instruction to the Committee, to leave out the names of the pre
sent Commissioners, and insert tl^ names of fix gentlemen, who
were members of that House, in their room.
Lord North, in reply said, certainly it would not.
Lord Howe asked what was meant by the indemnification to be
given to such public accountants as should pay their balances into the
Exchequer? Was it to clear them finally as public accountants, or
only to be in the nature of credit, for just as much money as they
paid in? The reason of his putting that question to the noble Lord
was, he had been a Treasurer or the Navy, and had about eight
thousand pounds in his hands, which he could pay in two hours time,
and which he should be very glad to do, to get finally clear, as a
public accountant.
Lord North said, he had taken the matter up exactly as the Com-'
missioners of Accounts had suggested it, and he underflood that to be,
not that those public accountants, who paid in the balances of their
accounts, would obtain a quietus from the Exchequer, but that they
would have credit for just as large a sum as they paid in. A quietus
was a very different matter, because it went to the setting up and
establishing every article of their accounts already delivered into the
Exchequer; whereas in the present case, the accountant had credit
for so much money as he paid in, and an exemption from being an
swerable for those services, for which, the money so paid in, would
have been answerable.
Lord Bowe objected to this, as rather hard on the Treasurers of
the Navy, who were liable to a variety of demands previous to their
obtaining their Quietus; and he thought, they should be fuffered to
hold their balances in hand, to answer those demands, till they did
obtain their Quietus. :
Lord North said a fund was to be created, out of which, the fees
to be paid on palling the accounts of Paymasters or Treasurers of the
Navy, (for they both flood exactly in the fame predicament) were to
be taken.
On the motions being put, they were all carried.
[To be continued)]
CURRIE & NORRIS,
At No. 95, Broad-Street,
HAVE TO DISPOSE OF,
HIGH Proof Jamaica Spirits in Puncheons and Quar
ter-Calks,
Best Hollandfe Gin in Hogsheads,
Port and Madeira Wine,
Old Britifn Spirits, of an excellent Flavour and Quality,
Boxes of assorted Window Glass and Glass Ware,
Superfine Flour in Barrels, Ship Bread,
Kegs of Split Peafe,
Broad Cloths,
Fine Damask Table Cloths and Napkening,
Printed Jeans, Velverets, Corduroys, &c. &c. J
~BY pirOriTsl ~
For Sale by Private Contrast, or to be Let,
THE commodious and well known HOUSE, No. 77, King
ftreet, the corner of Tradd-ftreet, the best situation in
town for a lodging-house, having a large yard, and stabling for
twelve horses. Apply on the premises to
3V? Auguf, 178!. 1 GIDEON DUPONT, jun.
To be LET for One rear certain,
A HOUSE of fix good Rooms, with a large kitchen and
garden, in a pleasant situation. Enquire at No. 1, Beau
fain-ftreet. Possession to be given in ten days.
Wanted, a white boy as an apprentice to a house carpenter.
Enquire as above. *c.
ANN HAWES,
No. 2, behind the Old Church,
Acquaints her Friends, and the Public in general,
THAT she still continues the PAINTING and GLAZING
BUSINESS, as usual, in all its Branches. *c.
JusTlM pOTTE
In the Susannah, Capt. Stewart, from Glasgow,
And to BE SOLD BY
JAMES & EDWARD PENMAN,
At their Store, No. 15, on the Bay,
For Cafb, Government Bills or Produce, on toe most reason
able Terms, by the Package,
The following G () O D S, viz.
FINE Calf and Seal Skin Shoes and Boots? - ~~
Best Military Shoes in Casks
Military and fin^ Shirts
Calks of Saddlery assorted
Chaise Harness
Leather Portmanteau Trunks
Pigtail Tobacco in 2001 b. wt. Calks
Rappee Snuff
Single and double refined Sugar in Casks of about 2colb. wt.
Old Sherry and Port Wine in Casks of eight Dozens each
Ditto and Ditto in Qdaftercafks
Bottled London and Glasgow Porter and flrong Beer, in 6, 8
and 9 Dozen Casks
Best double Gloucester Cheese, two in a Hamper
Glass Ware assorted in Casks
Cordage and Canvas assorted
Barley in small Casks of 2ylb. wt.
Cloth Brushes, Hearth and Hair Brooms
Ivory and Horn Combs, and Horn Spools
Nails, Ironmongery and Cutlery assorted
Paints ground in Oil, and dry Oker in Kegs
Lintfeed Oil in Jugs
Sheathing Paper and Sheathing Nails
Silk Gauzes of various Sorts and newest Patterns
Plain, striped and sprigged Lawns
White Sattinet
and Yard-wide Irifli Linenl
Low-priced Shirting Linen
Printed Handkerchiefs [ j n Trunks
. Check Handkerchiefs and Bed Tick [ assorted
Striped Holland and Checks, and Bed Furniture 1
Printed Cottons and Linens J
Bales of Ofnal^urgs assorted
Manchester and Glasgow Hats in Boxes
Hosiery and Thread Gloves
Leather Gloves and Mits
Coloured, Nuns and Pitching Thread, &c. &e.
Also for. Sale,
Some old JAMAICA RUM in Hogfueads and Porter Barrels.
ppXCLLLEN'I BUFF and WHITE BALL for cleaning
fy Cioaths; also very good WHITING, to be Sold whole
file or retail at No. 68, Church-street. %.
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7o be Let, and immediate Pofcflion given,
A STORE, near the Bay, in a convenient situation for
Trade apply to the Printers.
3d September, 1781.
THIS is to request all those indebted to the estate of thel^4
John Lanneau, deoeafed, to make payment; and all thofi
that have any demands against the said deceased, to render in thei:
accounts, properly attested, to 1 BAZEII LANNEAUty
To be dilpofcd of at Private bale.
A SMALL TRACT of LAND on the upper end^
John's-Island, containing 250 acres. Enquire of th
Printers.• '+
RUN away from the fubferiber, about five weeks ag(
a Negro Man named Champaign or Sam, well known?
Charleftown, being formerly the property of Mrs. Janet Cummin
is a likely, well made fellow, about thirty years of age, speaks g? 4
English, and as artful and sensible as any of his colour. I will
I FIREE GUINEAS reward for his being delivered to the Wareq
of the Sugar-House, or to myfelf at No. % Church-street, and
the information of his being harboured by a black; and TEN G!
NEAS if harboured by a white man 01 woman, or if carried oOf
Province by any master of a vessel or other person, to be paid
proof and conviction, being determined to put i' force the lawsrq
pe&ing such atrocious offenders.
In consideration of his past faithful services, I will pardon in' l -'
second time for this crime, if he returns to his duty immediately.
Charifown, 2gtb Auguf, 1781. | BRIAN CAP,
TO BE SOL D,
At St. John's River in East-Florida, deliverable by the 20th of
October next;
ABOUT one thousand barrels of TURPENTINE and
PITCH, (but mostly turpentine) to be delivered in good mer.
chantable order. Good bills at a reasonable date, will be taken in
payment. For particulars apply to
'TAMES & EDWARD PENMAN.
Also Wanted to charter, from the River St. John in Haft-Florida
to London, a Vessel that will carry from one thousand to fifteen
hundred barrels of naval stores. Apply as above.J
TO BE SOL'D,'
By William-Kerr Ross,
At No. 2, Tradd-ftreet,
For Cast, Government Bills, or Produce,
JAMAICA Rum by the Puncheon, Mufcovado Sugar by the j
Hogflhead or Barrel, Port Wine in Pipes, Quartercafks and;
Bottles ; Soap and Candles, Irifli Butter, and an Affortmeft
of Dry Goods suitable to the Seafon.j
tOHN JOHNSON, at No. 86, Broad-Street, has an As-
J fortment of IRISH LINENS, which he will fell on very
reasonable Terms.
M'CLELLAN & WALLACE,
At their Store, No. 40, on the Bay,
HATE FOR SALE,
A Few Tierces and Barrels of best Jamaica Sugars,
Fresh London Porter in Hogsheads and Banris,
Fine Hyfon Tea and Loaf Sugar,
Black Pepper, Mustard in Bottles,
Antigua Spirits in Hogsheads.
AL S O,
An Assortment of DRYGOODS,
Amongst which are, Rose Blankets of different Sizes, &c. &c
J OHN TELfTTr,
HAS FOR SALE,
At No. 90, Church-street,
The following GOODS;
On. the most reasonable Terms, by the Package
For CaJb or Government Bills, viz.
A FEW bales 01 Negro-Cloth, white, blue and green ,
Ditto Broad-Cloths 4s. to 11s. firft coll, wit
suitable trimmings
Ditto Duffils, grey, brown, claret and mixd
with ditto
Ditto Kerfeys
Ditto Sagathies anCDuroys with ditto
Trunks of Womens cloth Cloaks and Cardinals, all colours
Ditto Cutlery well assorted
English Bohea and fine green Tea
Cinnamon and Mace
Turpentine and white Soap
Mould Candles. ft
BLUE and white Plains
Fine milled ditto, far superi
or in Quality to any imported
Bed Blankets
Broad Hoes, Nails Y and most ufe
ful Articles of Ironmongery
Rice and Flour Sieves
Crates of Staffordfhire Ware, and
Hogsheads of earthen ditto,
well assorted
Hogsheads of assorted Tin Ware
To be Sold, for Cajb,
By the SUBSCRIBER,
On reasonable Terms,
The following ARTICLES,
Imported in the. FaYourite-Betsey;
PORT Wine in Pipes and Hogsheads
Ditto in Bottles and Cases of 10 dozen each
Vidonia Wine in Pipes
Madeira and Lisbon in Cases of 10 dozen each
Hyfon, Singlo, Souchong, Congo and Bohea Teas
A few Cases of Earthern Ware
Ditto ditto Perfumery
Mens and Womens Hose, silk, thread and cotton
Ditto Gloves, ditto
Womens Petticoats in small Trunks
Fashionable flriped Stocking Waistcoats
A few Bales ofSlops, assorted
Mens and Womens Hats
Printed Linens, Gauzes and Chintzes
A small Package of Hardware
A few Cases of Playing Cards
Ditto Mufl^rd.
Ditto Tin Plates
Gold and Silver Lace and Epaulets
A dozen Grapnails from 1 cwt. 2 qrs. to jqrs. i6lb.
A few Anchors of an excellent make, from 4 cwt. 2qrs to
jlb. a
Cordage of all forts from Cablets of 6 inches to rope, from A
to il inches
Rattling of all sizes, Spun-yarn, and
A Quantity of Oakum.
I NICOL PRIMEROSE, No. 3, Broad-street.
GREENWOOD & LhGQ
AC their Store, No. 44, on the Bay,
Have the following well chosen Goods,
Ju/l imported in the Ship London, Capt. John Rainier, fr om
London, which they will diftofc of by the Package reafonablj,
CaJb or Government Bills, viz. J
Ofnaburgs and Sheetings of an er
traordinary good Quality
Cases of Glass Ware, confining of
Tumblers, Wine Glasses, &c.
Boxes of Crown Window Glass
10 by 8, 11 by 9, and 12 by iq
Boxes of Long Pipes glazed
Two Packages of Brushes assorted
Fine old Porter in Hogsheads
Barrels and Bottles.'
&c. &c. &c.