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Parliamentary Proceedings.
House of Commons, May i 6, 1781.
q,HE order of the day being read for the House to resolve itfclf
( into a Committee on Pali-India Affairs, Lord North laid, he
was alllamed to rife again, and hibve to dircharge the order, but he
would Rate to the House what had happened since last Wednesday.
His Lordship then mentioned the proceedings in Leadenhall-ftreet,
and gave an account of What had palled at the General Court, produ
cing and reading a letter, which he had that day received from the
Chairman and Deputy Chairman, wherein they enclosed the resolu
tion conic to; dlmofl unanimously, by the General Court, '' to ap
prove of the conduct of the Directors in making proportions to Lord
North, arid to declare their readiqefs to come to an agreement with
hini fortbivitb." His Lordfllip said, as nothing had happened in that
House to ffiew a desire, not to come to an agreement with the Com
pany, with good will on the part of the latter, if possible, and as an
Agreement of that kind seemed to be so near, and the word forthwith
gave him reason to imagine, the Company were sincere; he trusted
the House would agree with him in opinion, that it would be right
to wait a few days longer, before they proceeded to confider further
of the business. He underflood a General Court was to be held at
the India-House on Friday, and he presumed the Court would de
termine oh a ballot, which most probably would take place early
next week, and be finilhed by Tuesday. He meant, therefore, with
the consent of the House, to move to difeharge the present order, and
then to moVe that it ftandfor that day fc'nnight In the mean time,
as he thought it right, that the House should have before them, all
the proportions, papers, &c. which the General Court had called for,
he should move for them as soon as the order of the day was dis
posed of.
Mr. Huffy said, that after informing the House, that he had
moved the motion, just read by the noble Lord, and declared by
him to have been almost unanimously agreed to at the General Court
the preceding day, the House would probably be furprized at what
he was about to fay; he muff however do his duty. He called there
fore upon the noble Lord to assign some reason, to prove, that it
Would not be better for the Public and better for the India Company,
(whofc interests he confidcred as the fame,) to postpone the idea of
an agreement with the Company during the present, unsettled, cri
tical, and dliafferous slate of their affairs, both at home and abroad.
He Recommended such a postponement earnestly to the noble Lord,
and to fettle the business by a short Bill, till matters were in a bet
ter fittiation, and the Company flood on a more permanent footing.
. Lord North replied, that undoubtedly the interests of the East-In
dia Company, and the interests of the Public, were inseparable.
What was good for the one, was good for the other, and any propo
sition that tended to afleU the one, must affect the other ; their inju
ries and their benefits, he was perfectly aware were mutual. He had
but to fay, that he was well informed, the Company's holding over
from year to year only, was attended with bad consequences, and
that putting the connexion between the Company and Government
on a mere lading and permanent footing, would prove advantageous
to the Company's interest, efpedally in India; where it would give
them greater weight in the eyes of the Princes of the country than
they now had. With regard to the critical date of the Company's
affairs, he was no Granger to it, but that did not in the least diminish
his conviction, that It would be right to come to an agreement this
year. He knew that the Public mud support the Company at all
hazards, should they be so didreffed as to hand in need of assistance.
But their holding over longer, he could not consent was prudent.
The Public by that means were, year after year, deprived of their
participation of their just rights, in sharing the profits after the di
vidend vras paid; if, therefore, the Public could only receive 200,000!.
by a present bargain, and should be obliged to advance a million of
money to support the Company in less than fix months, still he
silo aid think the agreement foould be made now.
Mr. Hufa rose again, and said he had no objection to the Pub
lic's participating in the fuper-lucration of the Company; he had on
ly called upon the noble Lord to assign a fufficient reason, to convince
the House, why it would be better to fettle the agreement under the
present circrimllances of the Company, than next year. Mr. Huffey
was proceeding to enter into a statement of the fituatioii of the
Company, in regard to the cash in hand, bills expelled, the fcate of
their tfeafuries abroad, &c. when lie was called to order by
Sir Grey Cooper, who said the honourable gentleman was going
into the general merits of the case, which was a matter totally fo
reign to tne motion before the House. The motion was merely for
discharging (he order of the day, and adjourning it to Wednesday
next. Sir Grey gave a decided opinion, in favour of the Public com
ing to an immediate agreement with the Company.
General Smith, Mr. Baker, and some other gentlemen spoke; at
jength the motion was put and carried.
House of Commons, May 21.
THE Bill for enforcing the payment into the Exchequer of all
balances of accounts and money remaining in the hands of the ser
vants of the Public, fucli as the Paymasters of the Forces, Comniif
fibners of the Navy, &c. or their reprefeptatives, and for indemni
fying them against all unfatisfied debts due by them, being read, a
firfl time, and a motion made for its being read a second time, Mr.
.Baker rose to know if the money remaining in the hands of the per
form mentioned in the Bill, or their representatives, was paid into the
Exchequer, how these persons were to be indemnified against any
debts now remaining unpaid?
The Speaker then read a claufc in the Bill, which enacts, That all
such debts, after the palling the said AN, shall be coniidered as owing
by the Public, and paid out of the Treasury.
Mr. Baker then desired to know if there was any clause in the Bill
limiting the time within which the Public should be obliged to call
for the payment of such balances, or money remaining in their ser
vants hands as forego their claim entirely thereto ; for, as Mr. Baker
observed, the leaving such extensive and intricate accounts unsettled
till after the death- of the person himfelf, frequently proved the means
of dillreffing and involving in difficulties their representatives and re
lations; and mentioned an instance of himfelf being called on twen
ty years after a tranfadlion had happened to speak to and explain, but
of which he was totally ignorant, though a representative of the
principal in that tranfa&ion.
Laid North rose to answer the Honourable Gentleman, that no
such clause was intended to be introduced in the present Bill ; but he
perfectly concided in opinion with the Hon. Gentleman that some
thing of the fort for the fatisfadlion and security of persons in such
public employments, ought to be considered of. He said he had it
In contemplation, and hoped next Seflion, before the commiflion of
accounts should be abolished, to introduce a proper and effectual Bill
for that purpose. The Bill was then read a second time.
Sir Philip Jennings Clerke moved, that it be an induction to the
Committee of Supply to chrifider of a duty of ss. in the poutid, over
and above the taxes now paid on all places and penfioris held under
Government, by the Members of either House of Parliament, such
places of penfioris being ostensibly worth 6001. per anntini, and up
wards.- In support of this motion Sir Philip, hi a short speech, ob
ferVed, that he thought it was one, the Ministry could not on any
reasonable grounds object to. He said in the time of peace it was
the catloni to put the officers on the military eflablilhment on half
pay, rind he hoped in time of war no person would obje& to putting
the officers on the civil eflablilhment alfb on half-pay; it could only,
he thought, be deemed seasonable, especially as in the time of war
many civil employments were doubly, trebly lucrative, compared to
what they were in time of peace. He said, surely Gentlemen pof
fefled of those civil employments would hot object to it, or permit
their conftituerits to fay they were taxed for their support, and that
they did not contribute a reasonable proportion towards the expences
of the war; besides, he conceived it both unjulE and dishonourable for
any man or set of men to,enrich themselves by the distresses of their
fellow iubje&s; he therefore expelled his motion would meet with
support.
Major Hartley said a few words; he thatiked the Hon. Genleman
for giving him art opportunity of feconaing a motion he conceived so
very equitable, just arid falutaty; that he thought it mull meet a bet
ter fate than motions front that fide of the House ufuallfdid. But
on a division it appeared the hopes arid Expectations of both the Hon.
Members were wrong, for the motion was negatived by a Majority
of 56, the numbers being
Ay^ —- 3 5
Woes -^. 9!
word for pillaging.—After which, for some time, a very tedious de
bate ensued, in which Sir Philip Jennings Clerke, Sir Charles Cocks,
Sir Charles Frederick, Mr. and Mr., 'fownlhend, took part; in the
^courfe of which it was observed, that a charge in the ordnance esti
mate was for stores for the Governour of Virginia; which called up
Lord George Germain, who informed the House there were flores
to go along with Lord IXmmore, when he went to his Go&erment.
Lord George then spoke as to the works in Florida, which he said
were of great consequence, and carried on under the direction of a
very able Engineer, Colonel Campbell, had by accident met with.
His Lordfllip then said, as to the report of Admiral Darby supplying
the garrison of Gibraltar with powder, he for his part believed it,
and accounted for it thus; that the Admiral and Governour, feeing a
greater quantity of every other article than could be used in one
year, except powder, had therefore most wifely given such a quantity
of that as only to put it on an equality as to the time of lading
withthe other stores.
Mr, Byng ridiculed the Board of Ordnance for expending so im
mense a sum of moneyed ere&ing fortifications in Florida, and trus
ting to accident for an Engineer: He then noticed the absurdity of
that Board not officially knowing of the encampments and providing
for them in the former estimate, when the Lieutenant-General of
that Board was the Commander in Chief.
The debate was then protracted to a confderable length, in which
Lord George Germain, Mr. Kenrick, Mr. Byng, Mr. Strachey,
Mr. Minchin, Major Hartley, Sir Charles Cocks, and Sir Philip
Jennings Clarke, tool: a part; and afterwards the motion was agreed
to without a division.
[To BE CONTINUED.]
Sir Charles then proceeded to state, from a variety of accounts,
the sums expended in erecting fortifications in different settlements in
America, particularly in Florida, building barracks and an hospital
in Tobago, the great quantity of powder and other ordnance stores
sent on board the. Navy, the expences of the ensuing encampments,
and a variety of other articles, which he enumerated.
He said Gentlemen on the opposite fide of the House might per
haps fay, why was not this comprehended in the eftimata before
delivered in, and allowed? The answer to that was, that many un
forefeeri circumstances had happened, which rendered it impossible, at
the time the ordnance supplies were granted, to eftimatd or even to
know what was now wanting.
He said he was not gifted with the powers of oratory; he told a
plain unvarnished tale, and relied on the truth of what he asserted,
and the candour of the House, to grant the necessary supplies; he
was as far as any Gentleman froth wilhing wantonly to lavim the pub
lic money, but so far as the support of this liingdom against a most
powerful and wicked combination of enemies required, he should al
ways give his voice. He said an honourable Gentleman over the way
(Mr. Burke) had it in contemplation to abolish the Board of Ord
nance ; he wished only there was a fair, candid and dispassionate en
quiry into the utility of that Board; come when the enquiry would,
he should be glad to meet it.—For the present, he did not doubt the
House granting the necessary supplies.
Mr. T. ToTuifand rose, not, he said, to oppose the motion, for
that he was well convinced would be absurd, but to express his dis
approbation of the fhameful manner Ministry came day after day to
Parliament with estimate after estimate, asking immense sums of
money, of the expenditure of which Parliament never received any
fatisfadlory accounts; but, indeed, after the lavish manner money
had been voted for the building Somerfet-'houfe, he could not be fur
priied at any thing Ministry would ask.
Mr. Burke expressed his concern that all his Majesty's Ministers
were not in the House of Commons, for they had so happy a mode
of putting off the shoulders of those present any blame that might
ariie, that he knew riot how to speak to them; and besides they were
so opportunely ignorant of every thing that they were not immedi
ately forced to know, that he knew not how to addrefb them; every
person except the Board of Ordnance, he said, knew there were to
be encampments in the summer, and also that they must incur ex
pences, which from the seasons pall that Board could not be unac
quainted with; yet those expences were not included in the estimates
before produced in the House, and the supplies for which had been
voted.
Mr. Burke then proceeded to animadvert pretty freely on the dif
ferent articles contained in the estimate produced by Sir Charles
Cocks, and dwelt particularly on the expenditure of 17,0001. for the
budding a wooden barrack and hospital to contain two companies of
foot in the Island of Tobago, and also on the money slated to be re
quired for the ere&ing fortifications and garrisons in Florida. He was
particulary witty on the last fubje&, and said, because the Spaniards
had spent an immense sum on that province, it seemed a reason why
we mould do the fame It put himin mind of a prostitute, who a
man might pick up in the Greets half naked, cloath and give her a
carriage to ride in, and a dozen other people would instantly make
her larger offers and finer equipages, but who before would have des
pised her. Thus Spain was the hrft fool, and we the greatest; for
his part, he wished Spain had Florida, and the Board of Ordnance
with it.
Mr. Burke then censured the conduct of the Board, who, he said,
frequently sent to garrisons guns without men, and as often men
without guns, who gave in accounts so confufed, thbt when he should
complain of the immense quantities of ordnance floret, which ap
peared to be used by the army, he should be told the navy was also
included; that for his part he could never difeover the truth. He
then desired to know if the report that was circulated of Admiral
Darby having been obliged to supply the garrison of Gibraltar with
powder from the fleet was true or not.
Mr. Burke then, iu a very high vein of wit, ridiculed the fubter
fuge under which Ministry always sheltered themselves; that they
must not difeover any thing for fear of its getting to the enemies ears;
which, he observed, was surely of the utmost consequence as to the
place of building fortifications, they being so soon created, and so
easily concealed; but concluded with observing the strongest bat
tery Ministry could build Was in that House; and while they kept
their places, they troubled themselves but little with what batteries
or fortifications were built in America. Mr. Burke also was very
witty upoM Mr. T. Townshend, who had mentioned the money ex
pended in building Somerset-house.
Sir Charles. Cocks then said, he certainly did suppose there would
be an encampment this summer, but that he did not officially know
it, therefore could not provide for it: He alb said, Colonel Camp
bell, the officer commanding in Florida, under whose directions the
works there were carrying on, had drawn on them for 20,000!.
which mull be paid. As to Admiral Darby supplying Gibraltar
with powder, he could not credit it, for he had received a letter from
the chief Engineer, who did not mention it. lie said, that Boco
barrels of powder had been sent for, and 3000 barrels more as a Depot.
Mr. Burke then rose and said, he conceived a Depot to be a cant
The House then refolvcd itfelf into a Committee of supply; Mr.
Ord in the Chair.
Sir Charles Cocks moved that a sum not less than 252,1041. 10s. qd.
be granted to his Majefly for the extraordinaries of the ordnance, ex
clulive of a sum of money already granted for the service of the ord
nance this Session of Parliament.
Wanted to Rent,
A HOUSE in any agreeable part of the Town, for which
a generous rent will be given ; it must be in good repair.
Enquire at No. 95, Church-ftreet,4
A light Elegant Phaeton, for Sale.
IT was imported into this Province about twelve months ago,
and is esteemed one of the compleateft in this place; har
ness and postilion-saddle in good repair, and it has a box for
a driver, to take off and fix on at pleasure. Enquire of the
Printers.
WILLIAM cTTr K,
No, 4, Bay,
Has on hand, a few PACKAGES of
HARD Ware, Shoes assorted, Brozd-Cloths, Fur Hats,
Woffted, Thread and Sillc Stockings, &c. which he will dis
pose of at a very low advance. ^,
RUN away from the fubferiber, about five weeks ago
a Negro Man named Champaign or Sam, well known:
Gharleftou n, being formerly the property of Mrs. Janet Tumniin
is a likely, well made fellow, about thirty years cf age, speak, g^
English, and as artful and sensible as any of his colour. 1 will ^
.THREE GUINEAS reward for his being delivered to the Wardell
of the Sugar-House, or to myfelf at No. 84, Church-Erect, and br
the information of his being harboured by a black; and TEN
NEAS if harboured by a white man or woman, or if carried 0^
Province by any mailer of a vessel or other person, to be paid u^
proof and conviction, being determined to put in force the laws re
pelting such atrocious offenders. ~
In confederation of his past faithful services, Pwill pardon him
second time for this crime, if he returns to his duty immediately.
Cbarlefloiun, 2„b Autyk, tySl. f BRIAN CA?^
IRISH LINENS
British and German Ofna
burgs and Ticklenburg
Raven's Duck
Brown and white Russia Sheetings
and Drabs
Slicked Dowlas
Brown and white Silefias
Pistol, long Lawns and Cambrics
India Chintz, Printed Linens,
Callicoes and Fine Muslins
Pullicat, Lungee, Barcelona and
new silk Handkerchiefs
Cotton Romals, Carridaries and
India Persians
Manchester Cotton and Linen
Checks and Stripes
Corduroy, Jeanets, Satinets, De
nims and India Dimity
Marseilles Quilting, Printed Bea
vers and Velverets
Superfine and second Broad Cloths
and Kerfeymires
Welch Plains, Flannels, Linfees
and milled Serges
Tammies, Dprancs &: Calliman
coes
Oilrich Feathers and Plumes
r rHREE gentlemen may be accommodated with boarding ini
JL private family. Enquire^of the Printers.
The Factorage Business
In all its branches, and to tranfa& every kind cf business for his friem
as formerly, will be obliged to those who may employ him. Havit
carried on that business above 30 years with the ftri&eft attention at
pun&uality (and flatters himfelf with fatisfa&ion to Ids friends) 1
hopes will induce them to continue their favours.
He has no objection to receive goods at ary other wharf, but wi
be particularly obliged to such of his friends as shall dire& their goc<
to be landed at his wharf, being most convenient. He has incloft
a very large convenient and secure yard for lumber, wood and nav
stores, and obtained the use of one of his stores for rice, indigo, &
being convinced they will (as formerly) fell as well there as at an
other place.
Any person willing to undertake the repairs,of his wharf and I
rebuild his bridge, are desired to give in their proposals at his hou
No. I, Gibbes-ftreet, South-Bay. f/. WILLIAM GIBBES.
N. B. Rice, Lumber and Wood for sale, at the above yard.
TO BE SOLD,
By COLLINS & HAYES,
No. I} Broad-Street,
Upon the mofc reasonable Terms,
RED and White Port, Madeira, Sherry, Lisbon
Malmfey Wines, in Pipes, Hogshead,, and Quarter-Cf
old British Gin and Brandy, bottled Porter, Paints a^Oil- br
Turpentine and Caftile Soap, Glass and China Ware, lop,"'
short Pipes, Military Shirts, and a general Assortment
GOODS. f
TO BE SOLD, " ' =
By William-Kerr Ross,
At No. 2, Tradd-ftreet,
For Cast, Government Bills, or Produce,
JAMAICA Rum by the Puncheon, Mufcovado Sugar by th,
Hogfliead or Barrel, Port Wine in Pipes, Quartercafks and
Bottles ; Soap and Candles, Irish Butter, and an Assortment
of Dry Goods suitable to the Season.
ITy P ERMISSIO N.
For Sale by Private Contrafl, or to be Let,
THE commodious and well known HOUSE, No. 77, King?
street, the corner of Tradd-ftreet, the best Situation m
town for a lodging-house, having a large yard, and stabling f or
twelve harfes. Apply on the premises to
31/f August, 1781. J GIDEON DUPONT, ju n .
A Single Man, of gocd character, who is a gooTdaffia
scholar and master of accounts, may hear of a place as
a Tutor in a Gentleman's family, by applying at WellPc
Book-Store, No. yr, Tradd-ftre'et. '
IMPORTE D,
In the Restoration, Capt. Crombie, from London,
And to be fold by Wholesale and by the Piece,
By GREGORIE, DOUGLAS, & Co.
At their Store, No. 26, Church-Street,
A LARGE ASSORTMENT OF
European and India GOODS,
Suitable to the Season, 1
CONSISTING CHIEFLY OF
rrHE fubferiber having obtained permission to carry on bit
I finefs at his wharf on South-Bay, and to land or Blip off wool
lumber and every kind of produce, begs leave to inform the Plants
in general and his friends in particular, That he purposes to carry 01
1) UN away, a.Mubtto Wench, named Sukey, well kno^
<. in town, flie had a ticket of leave to find a mailer, with whi<
file may perhaps impose. TWO GUINEAS will be paid by tl
fubferiber to any person that will deliver her to him, or to the keep
of the Sugar-house. THOMAS PHEPOE.
To be disposed of at Private Sale.
A SMALL TRACT of LAND on the upper end
John's-Island, containing 250 acres. Enquire of 1
Printers.±
RUN away from the fubferiber, about a month ag%
Ncgroe fellow named Will by trade a Sadler, is web
in and about town, and is very artful, he is about five feet
chc high, had on when he went away an ofnabrigs fnirt, apir
light blue cloth bretches, and a split shirt, arid carried with him^
old fcarlot clodi coat faced with green; he has been lately
over at Haddril's Point, where I fufpe& he is harboured. Abon
fame time ran away another negroe fellow named Cyrus,
the property of Mr. John Walters Gibbs; he is about five feet
inches high, is remarkably thick-let and very artful, by tr^
shoemaker, had on when he went away a sailor's blue jacket, 0^
burg's shirt and breeches. Whoever will deliver them (°
secure them in the Sugar-House, shall receive 1 WO G"',^p
~ach,-and all persons are hereby forwarned from hiring, tritem b
or carrying off either cf them, on pain of being prosecuted to
mod rigour of the law, by JANE CAld.A^^,°
Cbarltfown, Augf 24^, 1781. *L No. i. 67, A.% "
Mens and Boys coarse and fine
i black and white Hats
!Mens and Womens Shoes
IChildrens1Childrens Morocco and black lea.
; ther ditto
I Silk Gauze, black and white Lace
iand Edgings
I Cap Wire, Fringes, Trimming
; and Ribbands
Mens, Womens and Childrens
I linen, jean and leather Gloves
J Threads, Buckram and Sewing
1 * Silk
I Metal and Fancy Buttons and
Buckles
Silver Watches
Single and double refined Sugar
Pickles in assorted small Cases
Florence Oil, Muflard, Pepper
and Corks
Cordage
Bar Iron and all Sorts of Nails
Scrubbing- Brushes and Mops
Brandy, Geneva and Porter 4
hogsheads and barrels
Bohea and Congo Tea
Soap, Candles, &c. &c.