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Parliamentary Proceedings
House of Commons, Ma, 14, 1781.
A LITTLE after four o'clock Mr. Burke rose, and made a mo
tion relative to the seizure of effects and capture of the Island 0
&. Euftatius by Sir George Rodney and General Vaughan.
Mr. Burhe's motion in substance was, That an humble Address be
presented to his Maje@y, praying that he would be graciously plea
sed to order, with all convenient expedition, to be laid before that
Houfc, true copies of all inftrudions sent by his Majefly's Ministers
to the Commanders in Chief of his Majesty's fleets and armies in the
Weft-Indies; and also true copies of the letters and accounts trans
mitted officially by them, or any other persons, since the capture of
the Island of St. Luftatius.
In order to support this motion Mr. Burke, in a most elegant
rpeech of two hours and a half, went over such a field of argument
that it is quite impossible for us to follow him. He firft set out by
Rating the fa&s relative to the capture of the Island, the immense
property seized therein, and the very great hardship individuals were
likely to fuflain by the loss of goods and merchandize to an immense
amount, which they had carried to that Island, under an idea of lodg
ing them fafe, and free from the invasion of any power, considering
it as a neutral port. Mr. Burke then went on to confider the con
duct of the Commanders in Chief, and took occanon to pay Sir
George Rodney and General Vaughan some very handsome compli
ments, though he did not altogether approve of their conduct to the
inhabitants of that liland. Mr. Burke then attempted to prove, by
the law of nations, by justice, and by precedents, that on the surren
der of any place to a hostile power, private property ought and ever
had been considered faded ; and on the inhabitants taking the oaths
of allegiance, they were always put in the full and ample enjoyment
of the property they before held, fubje& to the laws and government
of the Conquerors. This was a conduct, he said, widely different
from what had been observed by the two Commanders in Chief in
the Weft-Indies, .notwithgahding the present, of all others, was a
case that peculiarly demanded the most lenient exercise of that power
the fortune of war had put into the hands of his Majesty's servants;
for befidro the war being an unjust, illegal, and unprovoked one,
which of itfelf was (efficient, ,et also the greatest part of the proper
ty captured on the Island of St. Euftatius actually belonging to Eng
lish pierchants and fubjedfs of this realm.
Mr. Burke said he could confider the confiscating the property of
these, or indeed any others, the inhabitants of that Island, little bet
ter than a Robbery, efpccially when it had been fufrcndercd on sum
mons, and nottaken by blockade dr storm. ,„ ~ ~
He then called to mind the liberal and generous behaviour of the
French to the English bn their capture of the Island of Grenada,
where ouf fellow fubji&s were not only permitted to enjoy their
property urimbiefted, but were allowed, if they preferred it, to dis
pose of their effects to the best advantage. And would it not be
an indelible disgrace on 'Great-Britain to be so far outdone in
generosity, hay, in &rmon justice, by her enemies? He sin
cerely hoped that would not be the case, and concluded by
wishing the motion might be carried, as the House would then
be in possession of documents Sufficiently to judge how far not
bnly his.Majefty's Ministers had a&ed properly, but also the Com
manders in Chief, and be then enabled to take such measures as they
might hereafter think most advi5ab1e..,',.,...,,.
Mr. Stanley seconded Mr. Burke's motiori, and went neatly over
the fame arguments with that honourable Gentleman. At the fame
time he took occasion to hint something relative to the members for
Liverpool refuting or negledihg to prefect a petition from that town,
concerning the very bufinefa then before the House. „.„
Mr. Bamber Gafcoyne, jun. and Mr. Rawtofon the two members
for Liverpool, then spoke, but only to exculpate themselves from
what Mr. Stanley had charged them with, which they did by ex
plaining their conduct to their constituents, in a very full and fatis
fidory manner. ...... -
The Honourable Captain Join Luttrell; the conqueror of Omba,
then spoke against the motion ; he chiefly observed, that if the pa
pers now called for were produced to the House, they might be the
innocent means, by a miiconftfu&ipn, of calumniating the charac
ters of the brave arid fortunate Admiral and General; and he ever
did and always should reprobate any attempt to attack or everi exa
mine into the conduct of any person in his absence, more especially
when that absence was occasioned by his serving his country ; and he
believed no person would attemptlo fay that the Honourable Admi
ral and General had not served their country, and that too mod ef
ftntially; and while of course they were prevented exculpating them
selves, or aligning those motives for their conduct, which if present
they would be enabled to do. Mr. Luttrell also added, that the
laying before the House in the absence of those Gentlemen the pa
pers called for by the motion, might be the means of creating dis
turbances between the Commanders and their refpcßive officers; he
therefore obje&ed to the motion.
Lord George Germain rose chiefly to corroborate what had been
said by the two members for Liverpool, relative to the petition from
their constituents, which his Lordihip having done, he proceeded to
speak shortly to the question then before the House, and observed he
agreed with the Honourable Gentleman who made the motion, so
far that the present was a case of a peculiar nature, and certainly de
manned the greatest attention; but he could not conceive that the
people who were found on the Island of St. Euftatius, calling them
selves inhabitants thereof, could expert or were in the lead entitled to
even common' lenity, much less that peculiar degree thg Hon. Gen
tleman seemed to fay he thought ought to have been shewn them;
for it was indeed too true, a great part of these people were English,
2nd Riled themselves fubjc<2s of Great Britain: But was that a rea
son why lenity ought to be shewn them ? He held quit the reverse;
and if any thing could more than another require exemplary punifh
shent and (event,, it was their conduct aggravated by being Eng
hfh; they who had carried on a contraband trade with the enemies
•f this country, and by the means of that Island, which was nothing
more than' 2 ftorc-houfe or mart from which all necessaries were con
veyed th our enemies, and that too by these very people who would
now pretend to confider themselves fubjeds of and feelc protection
from the very kingdom, which by their unnatural and illicit com
merce they had attempted to distress and ruin. For his part, he
considered the tended of his Majesty's Commanders in that part of
the world as highly just, equitable, and meritorious; they had made
a difference, and with great propriety, between those who were ac
tually fubje&s of the Status-General, and those, who, allured by the
gain of an unlawful trade, had traiteroufly resorted there, and fhel
fered themselves in the most villainous practices under the cover of
liying in a neutral fettlemerit : To the former all lenity had been
shewn, to the full as much or more than the English experienced at
Grenada : As to the latter, they deserved every degree of severity
that could be infli&ed...
After which Mr. St. John, Lord Nugent. Mr. Fox, the Lord
Advocate of Scotland, Mr. Bamber Gafcoigne, fen. Mr. Courteney,
General Smith, and some other Members spoke; but the late hour of
the night the House rose prevents us going further into detail.
At twelve o'clock the House divided, when the motion was nega
tived on a divifiofy
Ayes 86
Noes 160
Majority 74
House of Commons, Ma, sci
At four o'clock the order of the day, which flood for the House
going into a Committee on the Solicitor General's Bill for the fup
preflion of places of public resort. Where money is taken for admission
on the Sabbath, and for the better preservation of that day, was.cal
led for, arid Mr. Solicitor moved that the Speaker leave the Chair.
Mr. Martin rose and objected to the motion ; he disliked the ge
neral principle of the Bill, and therefore should not conferit to its
going into a.Committee: He wished, he said, that the learned Gen
tleman had brought in a Bill for the suppression of Gambling-houses
on that day; for Ihameful it was, dice and cards were publicly played
at by the firft people in the kingdom, and wh6, if they countenanced
and pradifed such vice, could not expert good order or moral con
dudl from the inferior class.
Mr. Martin then pbferVed, he thought the present Bill tended to
the prescribing the liberty of the people, and that too on a fubjed
the most serious, and dn a day of all others they ought to have liber
ty to enjoy themselves, and exerciff their minds on religious fubje&s,
which this Bill went chiefly to prevent He said if the Bill passed,
Description of Mr. Copley's PICTURE of the Death of the late
EARL of CHA THAM: Noi uexhibiting in the Great Room in
Spring Gardens.
r rHE Pi&ure represents that point of time, when the late Earl of
J LChatham received, in the House of Lords, the fatal ilroke,
which tout a period to his illustrious life. His three Sons, and his
Son-in-law (Lord Viscount Mahon) being present, surround their
dying Father, who is supported by his Royal Highness rhe Duke of
Cumberland, and his Grace the Duke of Portland. His, Grace the
Duke of Richmond is represented handing near the Earl of Chatham,
having just concluded a speech, holding a paper in his hand, marked
with the fubjedt in debate; and in an attitude, expressive of the ca
lamitous and unexpected event, which had taken place on the Noble
Earl, in the moment he was rising to reply. This Groupe, which
forms the principal one of the Picture, is enlarged by the introduction
of other Peer^, to nearly half the number contained in the whole fub
ja&. The second Groupe confits of the great Officers of State; and
the third of the Right Reverend the Bishops, and other Peers. The
Lord Chancellor and the Judges are represented on the wool-packs,
and the foils of Peers on the flops of he throne.
The following is a Lift of the Portraits, taken from the Life.
No. I. Lord Cardiff
2. Earl of Ferrers, then the Honourable Mr. Shirley
3. Lord Robert Bertie
4. Earl Fauconberg
5. Duke of Montague
6. Lord Viscount Mount Edgecumbe
7. Honourable Mr. Edgecumbe
8. Earl Waldegrave
9. Lord Loughborough, then Solicitor-General
10. Lord Chancellor Thurlow, then Attorney-General
11. Lord George Germaine
12, Lord North
13. Earl of Weftmoreland
' 14. Lord Onflow
15. Lord Weftcote
1 16. Earl of Eglintoun
17. Dr. Hinenliffe, Bishop of Peterborough
xB. Dr. Shipley, Bishop of St. Afaph
19. Dr. Markham, Archbishop of York
20. Lord Chief Baron Skinner
21. Earl of Mansfield
22. Earl Bathurft, then Lord Chancellor
23. Earl Gower
24. Earl of Sandwich
25. Lord Amherst
26. Earl of Dartmouth
27, Lord Viscount Dudley and Ward
28. Lord Scarfdale
29. Earl of Jersey
30. Earl of Harcourt
31. Earl Cholmondeley
32. Lord Camden
^33. Richard Brocklefby, M. D.
34. Etike of Grafton
35. Duke of Manchester
36. Lord Viscount Courtenay
37. Earl of Coventry
3^. Earl of Effingham
by way of amendment he thought a clause ought to be inferred, that
fix days in the week it might be lawful for people to debate and eon
verfe on religious fubje&s as much as they pleased; but that on the
seventh, or Lord's day, it fliould be deemed an high offence to open
their lips on such a topic.
Mr. Hill for the firft time rose to speak in that House, and he ex
pressed his furprize that any member of the Church of England, or
moral man could objed to the present Bill, the very title of which
was for the better preservation of the Sabbath, and of course enfor
cing the precepts of religion and morality. He only lamented the
objects taken into consideration by the learned framer of the Bill
were so few, when so many more hourly presented themselves equal
ly worthy the interference of the legislature, of which the publishing
a Sunday paper, ,the driving of Stage Coaches and Waggons, were
amongst the number; but, however, as the e.id of the present Bill
seemed to be reformation, so far as it went he should give it his flip
port, and hoped it might be the means of introducing one on a more
comprehensive scale.
Sir fofefeb Mauley expressed his approbation of the Bill also, so
far as it went, but thought it extended to objects so very trifling,
that the good it could be expected to produce must be very inconsi
derable. Sir Joseph then took up the idea of his Hon friend, (Mr.
Martin) and declared he meant to follow it up, and in the commit
tee would move for a clause to be inserted in the Bill for the suppres
sion of gaming, a vice which of all others he declared was molt de
ftru&ive, as it frequently reduced many young men of fafhion from
a date of affluence to that of indigence, and often obliged them to
court the smiles of a Minister whom otherwise they would despise.
Mr. Solicitor General rose to inform Sir Joseph there were already
laws fufficient against Gaming in general on everyday, and the per
mission of that vice was not owing to a deficiency in the law, but in
the Magistrates whose duty it was to enforce thedaw; at the fame
time he observed, that the reigning manners of a/country might so
far get the better of law as to render it prudence not to enforce the
rigour of the law, but on great and flagrant violations of it: This per
haps might be the case as to the vice the Hon. Baronet had mention
ed, and further he said, the introducing the clause he had mentioned
would not.only be clogging the Bill with matter foreign to the in
tention of it, but by absolutely prohibiting Gaming on a Sunday by a
new law, would in effect be annulling all the statutes now in force
against it, and would indirectly legalize Gaming on any day except
Sunday. , 1
Lord Surry did not object to the Bill going into a Committee, but
he wished to be informed by the learned Gentleman who had brought
in the Bill, whether it was meant to extend to any meeting or assem
bly far the disputing bn, or difeuffing of religions fubje&s on the
Sabbath, where money was not taken for admission; as his Lordship
observed if that was the case, the Quakers, whose mode of worship
was in the (file of a debate or argument, would come within the
meaning of it, and that was diredly contrary to the principles of the
Aa of toleration. 1 , ,
He was answered by the Solicitor General, who said that the pe
nalties in^li&ed by the Bill related only to those places where money
was received for admission; nor did it at all tend to any infringe
ment of the Aa of toleration.
Mr, Turner spoke violently against the Bill; he reflected on the
dissipated life of the higher ranks of people, as well as on the con
du& of the superior Clergy. He also censured the Justices of Peace;
and did not wonder that the Hon. Baronet (Sir jofeph Mawbey)
should support the Bill.
Sir y°fepb said a few words in explanation, after which
Mr. Alderman Sawbridre rose; said, that notwithstanding he be
lieved any opposition to the Bill would be fruitleft, it being brought
in by a Crown Lawyer, must of course pass; yet he thought it a very
hard one; and he could not fit still without expressing his dislike to it,
and thought they might as well (hut up Kensington Gardens on a
Sunday as the Promenade at Carlifle-Houfe.
Mr. Sberidan spoke much against the practice of Gaming; and ob
served, that when the Miniflry encouraged it they could not be sur
prised at its flourifhing; what he alluded to was the licensing State
Lottery Offices, the evil tendency of which he fully expatiated on.
After which the motion for the Speaker leaving the Chair Was
carried, the Bill gone through, and Blanks filled up, in a Commit
tee of the whole House, Sir William Dolben in the Chair. ,
A clause, by way of proviso, was offered by Lord Surry, and im
mediately agreed to by the Solicitor General; the substance of which
was, that nothing contained in that Ad t was meant or intended, or
should be considered or construed as in any manner circumferibing or
interfering with the A& of Toleration; immediately after which the
Speaker took the Chair.
[As the above Bill now Hands, every person keeping a House, or
place of public amusement on Sundays, to which Company are ad
mitted for money, will be liable to forfeit 2001. Every Moderator,
Chairman or master of Ceremonies of such, tool. And every Door
keeper or person receiving money at the door for admission 501. To
be sued for and recovered in the ordinary mode.]
[To BE CONTINUED.]
That he is just returned to this Province, and has to dispose of I
At bis Store in Church-street, opposite to Elliott-flreet,
SILVER shoe, knee and flock buckles, Hone ditto ditto, gilt
pinchbeck and plated ditto, silver punch ladles and pepper boxes,
watches and watch chryftals, chains, keys and seals; a great variety
of fafhionable hair and fillc watch firings, paper fnuff-boxes, ivory
handled knives and forks tipt and ferrel'd withfilver, feiffars and pen-I
knives, cork-screws, cutteaux, Morocco swivel belts, playing cards,|
printed linens, cottons and callicoes, spotted and figured jeans and
jeannets, Morea gowns, large India handkerchiefs, quilted petticoats,|
men's and women's thread, cotton and worsted flockings, black silk
mitts and breeches patterns, britannias, wardrops, brown sheeting,
fine fouchong tea double refined loaf sugar, black pepper, gin and
brandy ir. cases Claret and Madeira Wine of the firft quality by the
dozen, 3 pair of Silver Candlesticks, and a pair of Sconcesdor do. f
JUST IMPORTED,
In the PA.ll.A.S,from LON DON, and other Vessels from En GLAND,I
A freth Supply of Drugs and Medicines,.
Which, with an Assortment before on Hand,
Are fir SALE, at No. 9, Orange-Street, viz.
GLAUBER Salts at half a Crown per Pound ; Epsom Saltai
at Two Shillings and Fourpence per Pound ; Sal Signatelle, Sal
Rochelle, Camphire, Bark, Chamomile Flowers, Tartar Emetic,
Rhubarb, Opium, Spirits of Lavender, and all Kinds of volatile Spi
rits; Guttm Vitte, James's Powders, Anderson's Pills, Turlington's
Balsam, Stoughton's Bitters, empty Phials afforted„and Steel Spring
Trusses, &c. &c. equally cheap by Retail and in Quantities cheaper;
likewise Lavender Water, Eau-de-Luce, and other Perfumeries; Loaf
Sugar, Powder Sugar, Spices, Mocoa Coffee, and oilier Groceries; old
Batavia Arrac by the Dozen, Cologne Geneva in Cases, some Do
zens of. Ivory for Minature Pictures, with Shagreen Cases for ditto;
and a Variety of other Articles.
As I intend for England with the firfl Convey, any Person may
have the whole of the Drugs,&c. which consist of almost every falc
able Article, a great Bargain for Cash or Government Bills; and
as I cannot colled any Thing material of old Debts, n.y HOUSE tn
Orange-street, and a LOT in King-street, will be fold cheap, to
enable me to carry something to.my Creditors.
' The following Articles, at firft Coll in England, viz. A Brafo
mounted Telescope, a Case of Surveyor's Pocket Inflfuments; Dic
tionnaire, Hiftorique, &c. De Mbreri, 10 Vols. Folio; Di^ionnaire
de Trevoux, 3 Vois. Quarto; Ahatomia Pra&ica Theophili Boneti,
2 Vols. Folio; Huxham de Acre, 2 Vpls. svo. Annual Register
for 1777, 1778, and 1779, and other Books.
^. ' SAMUEI, CARNE.
WANTS A PLACE,
A YOUNG MAN that lately arrived from Dublin,frat
can dress hair in the neweftand most fashionable man
ner, can act as a Gentleman's one-man and butler, or Htend [
a tingle gentleman, as he lived in those caparfyes in the
families in Ireland. Any Gentleman in •xbni of such a person
may apply to the Printers hereof, and will be duly attends
ed to. '
The reason for offering the above for sale, is the fubferiber's bad
Bate of health, who intends for Britain with the firft convoy; he
therefore desires all those to whom he is indebted, to call on him for
payment ft and those who are indebted to him by bond, note, or open
account, to call and make payment before the tenth day of October
next, as after that day they will find all his books and papers in the
hands of his attorney, to be sued for.
HE HAS FOR SALE,
A LOT of LAND, being the corner lot on Tradd and Church
freets, containing 20 feet some inches on Tradd-dreet, and 82 feet
on Church-street, with the foundations and brick cellars of two houses,
one of which the walls moftiy up, being brick ; there is on the lot
a quantity of old bricks that would near build up one house, and that
with a small expence ; its situation for trade and pleasantness is most
advantageous, and requires no farther recommendation.
ALS O,
Upwards, of four thousand Acres of Land, in eight separate tra&s,
all in different parts of this province which he will dispose of very
low. Any person inclinable to become a purcbafcr of said lands, may
treat as above, where plats of each are to be seen, and can be in
formed where said lands lye, with the improvements on them.
LIKE WISE,
A few hogsheads of old Jamaica rum Weft-India ditto, Gin in cases,
Madeira, Port, and Claret Wine in bottles and by the gallon, a few
barrels of brown sugar, loaf ditto, best London duffil blankets, milled
flannels of white and buff, negro cloths, broad ditto, beaver hats,
Targe iron pots and Dutch ovens with covers, English feythes, and
sundry other dry goods : He will dispose of those a bargain to any
person taking the whole.
He has a RIDING CHAIR and HARNESS to dispose of, with
or without a horse.
September %tb, 1781. | ROBERT HUTCHISON.
BY PERMISSION.
TO BE SOLD AT PRIVATE SALE,
For Cash or Government Bills,
For nebieb immediate Possession can be bad;
THAT well situated HOUSE and LOT in King-street, be
longing to and at present occupied by the fubferiber, known by
the No. 161, containing on said Greet 291 feet and in depth ligfeer
The house is of brick and in good repair, and the other buildinn
are as good as new ; there are on the lot a good kitchen, wafh-hotife
back store-house, a place for negroes, a large liable about forty-fiv^
feet long, extending the width of the lot, having stalls compleat for
each horse, with a place in the middle for carriages, and a hay loft
all over the stable ; the yard and liable are all paved with brick 4
and there is a well of good water, with proper drains from thence to
the ftrect : Its situation for trade, either as a Hore or tavern, is un
exceptionable, King-street being the leading street from the country
which is so well known as to render a farther description thereof un!
necessary.—Any person inclinable to purchase, may treat with him
for terms and price.
The purchaser of said house and lot, if in want, may be supplied
with a dozen or more feather beds, bedsteads, matraffes, Iheets and
other bed furniture, with pavillions; also, tables, chairs, defies, table
linen, china, an eight day clock, sundry looking glares, about
two hundred ounces of plate, and a variety of kitchen and other fur
niture too tedious to enumerate ; likewise, nine valuable house ne
groes, equal to any of their colour in the province for sobriety and
honesty.
JOHN JOHNSON, at No. 86, Broad-Street, has an As
sortment of IRISH LINENS, which he will fell on very
reasonable Terms.
39. Honourable Mr. William Pitt
40. Lord Viscount Mahon
41. Honourable Mr. James Pitt
42. Present Earl of Chatham
43. Duke of Devonshire
44. Duke of Portland
45. His Royal Highness the Duke of Cumberland
46. The late Earl of Chatham
47. Earl of Shelburne
48. The late Earl Temple
49. Earl of Radnor
50. Lord De Ferrers
51. Duke of Richmond
52. Marquis of Rockingham
53. Earl Spencer
54. Earl Fitzwilliam
55. Earl of Befborough.
London, May qtb, tySr.
THOMAS HARPER,
Jeweller & Goldsmith,
Acquaints bis Friends and the Public,