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Parliamentary Proceedings,
House ^Commons, Tuesday, November 21.
MR. Danie! Parker Coke expressed his furprize lit the long silence
of the House refpe&ing the great merits of Lord Cornwallis,
who had so signally didinguifhed himfell in the courfc of the last cam
paign in America. Mr. Coke gave notice that he wounl, on afutui e
day, move the Thanks of the,Houfe to his Lordthip, and observed,
that though an Hon. friend of his, in a late debate, had said, he would
not vote thanks to Lord Cornwallis, because he dilliked, the service
he was employed on, he was lure his Hon. friend was too liberal
trended to make any opposition to his motion.
Lord Nugent gofe to second it, but the Speaker told his Lordship
the lion. Gentleman had only given notice of a motion, and not made
one.
As soon as Lord North arrived, he reminded tne House of what he
had mentioned the proceding evening, that of his fears of making
Sufficient Houses to form Contniittees for trying undue elections pre
vious to the holidays, therefore was of opinion that the House should
proceed immediately to confider how thole appointed to be heard be
fore that time should be disposed of.
Mr. Byng regretted finccrely that a business which in his mind was
a very cffential one, should be delayed; gentlemen who perhaps had a
right would be kept from their feats, and the constituents improperly
represented ; for his part, lie had always-attended on tliofe occasions,
thinking it his duty to the constituent body of the people, as much as
when publicly matters were to be agitated; and he had the happiness
to observe that most of the gentlemen on his fide of the Home had
not absented themselves when such bufinefe was to be proceded upon.
Lord North replied he had no wish in the case; his reasons as before
given were, that from the conversations he had had witli several gen
tlemen, it would be impoflible to make Houses for the purpose pre
vious to the recess; he therefore now mentioned it for this reason on
.ly, to prevent unnecessary trouble and expence to the different parties.
1 Mr. Baker wished to know why those appointed for hearing so ear
as next week, could not be proceeded on? He wished also to be in
formed whether there was not any publick business to keep the House
fitting longer than that time, and if it was intended to adjourn the
House at so early a period? He had known the time within these few
years, when the House fat in high debate on the 10th of December.
Lord North got up again, and said, if it was the sense of the House,
that a fufficient number of members would attend, he could not have
the lead objection, as he should remain in town during the whole of
the recess; but he repeated it, there was not the least probability
there would a fufficient number attend, and he believed the House
would be adjourned at an early day.
Lord Mahon had no objection to their adjourning early, if it was
meant they should meet early; but if they were to rife early and meet
late, the proposition met with his hearty dissent.
Sir Richard Smith was totally against postponing the business of the
petitions; he thought it was full as material to attend the people's bu
fmefs (for this he called the people's business) as that of the King; the
noble Lord could on all occasions, when the King's business was to
come on, provide full benches on the other fide of the House; he was
therefore furprized, that on this accafion, none, or but few, could
be prevailed on to forward what he thought of material consequence
to the nation at large.
Some Gentlemen on the other fide trod nearly the fame ground as
Lord North had done; and it was at last agreed that the Lyme Regis
petition only be heard before the holidays, and proper arrangements
made for considering the rest.
Lord Beauchamp rose to move for a writ to be issued for Coventry;
he would not have troubled the House with a word on the fubjedt, as
he thought he had a right to move it in the ordinary way, had he not
been aware that strong objections would be made to it from a certain
quarter; he used a good deal of his former arguments; that it could
not be postponed to any longer time, according to the laws of Par
liament, without a manifeft infringement of those laws; that the pe
titions presented yesterday amounted to nothing, as there was barely
an allegation of the parties concerned; againif whom? Not any of
the ele&ors; why, therefore, should they remain without Represen
tatives? Not surely because feme colliers, not voters, not even inha
bitants, are said to have caused a riot, and thereby prevent a poll be
ing taken. What part he had taken in this matter, was on the grand
balls of the rights of the people, and ihoinvariufole ruloG of Parliament.
Party did not' sway him; be knew not who might be the candidates
at the next election, and who the, might be, he cared not; at any
rate, he contended, that as the Sheriffs had thought proper to make
no return it was the business of the House nojy tori Hue a new writ-
Mr Box answered, he looked upon the matter of not bringing the
Sheriffs before the bar at an earlier,day as a mere trick; that it was
intended to have the writ issued previous to their appearance, and
then peftpone it to some future day. It was said that 110 fpecifick
Jiarge had been brought against any one; he infilled there was a
charge, which he would engage to bring witnesses to fubfiantiate in
half an'hour, if the noble Lord pleased: but he was certain, the no
ble Lord would not agree to it. The old Members were more favour
able in his eye than the two Gentlemen who opposed them. It had
been said that the allegations In the petition were nothing extraordi
nary; and it was believed to be as peaceable an election as ever was
known at Coventry; probably that might be the case; the noble Lord
was better acquainted in that refpe& than he was; but it appeared to
him that great riots and disturbances had ensued; to be sure nobody
had been killed, nor any heads broke, "and therefore the late riot was
a trifle in the eyes of the people at Coventry ; but in his opinion the
riots that did ensue would have been thought of no small consequence
in any other place. If the House agreed to issuing a new writ in this
instance, he should despair of ever meeting an independent House of
Commons; they might as well consent to its being made up by a .par
ticu'lar influence.
Several other Gentlemen spoke on each fide, but very little fell
from them but what had been mentioned by their leaders. At length
a division took place, when there appeared
For the question —— 114
Against it — — 54
Sir Grev Goober brought up the report from the Committee on the
Land Tax and Malt Bills.
Sir fofeph Manobe, moved, that there be a call of the House on the
31st of January next; thatfuch Members as do not then attend, be
taken, into .c,uftody by the Serjeant, and that the Speaker do fend cir
cular letters to the Sheriffs.
House ts Lords, 'fturfday, November 23.
The House did not meet till within a quarter of four; the Lord
Chancellor haying been detained till that late hour in tranfa&ing bu
siness in his.own Court.
The Dake of Bolton gave notice, that as no business was expected to
come on before the recess, previous to his making the motion for lay
frgbefore their Lordships the inftru^ions given by the Admiralty
Board to Captain Moutrie, in consequence of which, were the quef
ticn to be taken up at paefent, there would he a very thin attendance,
he took the opportunity of informing the House, that he would defer
his intended motion till early after the Christmas recess.
The Malt and Land-tax bills were read a second time and commit
ted.
House ts Commons, Thursday, November 23.
Read a third time and passed the gaoler's indemnity bill.
In a Committee of the whole House, came to a resolution for bring
ing in a bill to regulate the imports and exports of corn.
As soon as the Speaker had taken the Chair, he informed the
House, that he had received a letter from Sir Fletcher Norton, which
had been transmitted to him from Admiral Sir George Brydges Rod
ney, in consequence of the thanks of the House, which had been
tommuhincated to him by the late Speaker. The letter was dated
from cn board the Sandwich, July 16, 1780. Sir George returns in
his letter, his most unfeigned thanks for the transcendent honour con
ferred on him, by so august an Assembly as the Commons of Great-
Britain. He confeffes, that when he confiders the trifling service he
has done his country, he is really at a loss for words to express the
grateful sense he entertains of the goodness of the House in the distin
guished honour that had been done him; and promises that the thanks
voted to him, shall serve to incite him more and more to exert the ut
most of his abilities to serve his country, and preserve the honour of
the British flag.
Sir George concludes with his particular thanks to Sir Fletcher, for
the very polite manner in which he communicated to him the vote of
the House.
The current business being gone through, Capt. Minchin wished to
Mr. Charles furner seconded the Secretary of war. He wished,
he said, to go into the committee, to fee if any one would be bold
enough to vote an army, for carrying on the American war. He
himfelf had desired his Constituents to give him credit only in as much
as they should find him Beady in opposing the prosecution of that
war. For this purpose he had come to town, though for the last two
months he had been in a very bad state ofhealth. For this purpose
he had rode forty miles a day, till he had travelled 250; for this he
had caught cold on the road, had been obliged to keep his bed since
his arrival; and to have a person to attend him all night. This Ame
.rican War he would ever oppose as the ruin of this country.
Mr. T. To^njbend did not much approve of the second part of Mr.
Minchin's motion ; and he did not doubt but he would readily con
sent to amend it. Yet he did not fee any very great danger in grant
ing the whole of the motion; for it was very natural to suppose, that
the enemy would derive no frefh knowledge from it; as it was more
than probable that Mons. de Rochambeau, the Chevalier de Ternay,
and Mr. Washington were as well acquainted with the state and dis
tribution of our army as any Secretary of State in England. But
whatever might be the opinions of gentlemen on that head, he could
not fee the least reafonahle objection that could be made to the for
mer part of the mo±G n Nn^ t. .—la ^^rn^ how u m +tutLu^
coulTvote the estimates on the table, without the papers moved for
by his hon. friend; for he few in those estimates, an account in the
lump of provincial corps, without the least mention of their establish
ment; nay, he understood, that many of those were composed solely
of officers, who enjoyed their pay as pensions, without doing any ser
vice whatsoever for.it.
Mr. Machin readily ccnfented to withdraw that part of his motion
which related to the distribution of our army. But he consented mere
ly to remove the scruples of the delicate ; for as it was net to be sup
posed, but there were deserters from our army; so it was fair to con
clude, that the enemy were already well acquainted with the num
bers and diftribntipn of our forces. Therefore he could not but con- :
elude, that Ministers were really more afraid of giving information
to- the publick, than to the enemy.
The fy^Ar asked the Secretary at war, ifhe would withdraw his
motion for the order of the day, that the preceding motion might be
amended. The Secretary at war admitted, that the motion without
the second part, was much less objectionable than with it; but as the
motion for the order of the day had been seconded and admitted by the
House, it was no longer at his disposal.
Mr. Byng and Mr. Tozvnfeend thought it unmanly to skulk behind
forms; and avail one's felf of the letter of an order, for the purpose of
preventing another motion for an amendment.
At last with the consent of the House, the motion for the order of'
the day was dropped, and Mr. Minchin's amendment was received:
so that his motion in its amended form called for the slate, but not
the distribution of General Clinton's army.
Lord George Germaine rose to convince the House, that Mr. Town
fhend's insinuation, that some of the American corps were compofe'd;
solely of officers was groundless. According to the last returns of those
corps, received the Ift of 061. it appeared, that the number of Pro
vincials in our service, amounted in all to eight tbovfand and ninety-one.
In the town of New-York, there were 2841, officered by no mere
than 103 officers: so that any gentleman acquainted with military af
fairs, must fee that 103 officers by no means exceeded the proportion
necessary for a body of 2841. His Lordship then moved for the order
of the day.
General Burgoyne wished to know if the noble Lord could acquaint'
the House with the efrablifhments of those corps; pronouncing them
at the fame time, dangerous to this country.
Lord George Germaine could not then give that information to the
house; but this much he could fay, that no money was issued for the
payment of any more than the effective number of men that those
corps could muster; and that if any one of them happened to be so re
duced, as not to be able to muster any thing like the number that a
diftin& corps ought to have; the commander in chief always took care
to incorporate it with some other; so that the officers by no means re
ceived their pay without serving for it.
Sir George Howard said, that he had lately conversed with a general,
officer returned from America; and had particularly informed himfelf
of the state, and establishment of the Provincial corps; and he had
learned that it was intended to divide them into battalions of 566
each, when that establishment could take place; but that in the mean
time they were paid only for the number of men they mustered.
After some further conversation, the question for the order of the'
day was put and carried; and the house having resolved itfelf into a
committee of supply, Mr. Ord took the Chair.
[To BE CONTINUED.]
To be fold on I hursday, the 15th of March inf. at my Store on the Bay,
SOME Wearing Apparel, Books, Quadrant and Spy-Glass; a
Case of Rum, Wine, &c. a Cott with Bedding, &c. belonging
to the estate of Robert Lightbody, deceased.
EDWARD OATS.
F O.R SAI. E,
TWO compleat SADDLE HORSES of the English breed, one
of themes fine a hoife as any in the province. Enquire of the
Printer.
have some information concerning the army eJimates, which he un
derhood were to be brought before the House to morrow.
Sir Grey Cooper answered, that it was not in his line to give any ac
count of them; the Secretary at War was a little indisposed, so that
he could not leave his chamber, but he hoped he would be present at
the time when that business was proposed to come on, when lie
doubted not every necessary information would be given.
Non. T. Tononjbend thought this matter ought not to be hurried
through the House; it was a serious matter, and necessary to be fully
iirveftigated: he was well assured that feyeral corps which were rated
at 860 meh, could not in the course of last summer muller more than
300, or 350 men; and that the provincial troops were no more than
a dead weight upon the publick; this being the case, he wished a few
days might be given, that Gentlemen might have time to investigate
the affair properly ; and as it was probable it would be at least four
o'clock before a House could be made to ballot on the Committee for
trying the I,yme Regis election next day, he thought it would be too
late an hour to enter into so momentous a business, and therefore pro
posed, that it should be postponed till Wednesday next.
Mr. Rigby would not enter into the merits of the case at that time,
the Secretary at war not being present; but said, he was well assured
many Gentlemen would attend early to form a Committee, and pro
bably there might be time to enter into the business mentioned; at
any rate it would be time enough then to make objections.
Mr. Byng said a few words, but the Speaker observing, that there
was no question then before the House, an adjournment was called
for, which immediately was dond
House ofLoRDS, Friday, November 24.
The Lords in a Committee went through, and reported without
amendment, the Malt and Land Tax Bills: also in a Committee
rent through the Bill for punching persons fufoefc^of high trea
^^'^ time and committed th^ty^^ Indemnity
House of Commons, Friday, November 24.
In a Committee of supply, the several army estimates were refer
red to the Committee.
Mr. Minchin renewed the objections he had dated yesterday to the
difeuffion of the army estimates, 'till the House should be firft in pof
feflion of some papers, which were absolutely necessary for directing
gentlemen in the vote they ought to give. The estimates before them
were incomplete; nay dafk and mysterious; and no man could juftify
himfelf to his couftituents, if he should vote these estimates, without
having the light that might be acquired from other papers. He then
moved that '' an humble address be presented to his Majesty, reques
ting that he will be pleased to order the proper officers to lay before
the House the date of the army under Lieut. General Sir Henry
Clinton, together with the distribution of it, according to the last
return made to the Right Hon. Lord George Germaine."
The Secretary at War opposed the motion, as highly improper,
and to the last degree dangerous. No gentleman surely could think
that it would be for the interest of the nation, that the number of
our troops in America should be known to our enemies ; but still less
ought any gentleman to infill, that the distribution of that force should
be proclaimed to the world. For his part he would not consent to
any such motion, and in order to get rid of it, he moved for the or
der of the day.
'r^Lluburiber .rntenfng form so embark for England, will dig,
pope of, at private sale, (having permission) his HOUSE and
LOI on the feuth fide of Eroad-fireet, No. 78, extremely well
Situated either for trade or a genteel family.?
All persons having demands against him, are requeued to make
them known ; 'and those anyways indebted to him to make immedi
ate payment, to ROBERT BEARD.
Charlefown, February 17, 1781. ,
LtnporNd tn the Last l^fels from England,
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On Thursday next, the &b of March inf. at Noon, vill be fold A
No. 47, on the Bay,
A X™, fine STALLION-ASS, who has becn''|Rved with
1 success; also, a blooded SHE-MULE, from the said ass, not
Four years old, broke to the saddle and draught.
_ EDWARD OATS.
To beJbld ^ Thursday, the tyb of March inf. at Q Plantation
on John s-lfand, belonging to the Ffate of James Carson, Efa.
A QUANTITY of PLANTATION TOOLS, HOUSHOI D
A FURNITURE, &c. Rc.
All persons having any demands against the said estate, are min
required to deliver in their accounts attested; and those indebted to
the estate, are requested to make immediate payment, to
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, Fo be fold at publick Outcry, on Fufey, ^tb of March inf. at
o'clock in the Forenoon, if a fair Bay, if net, on the next fair
after, at the Plantation of the late James Roulain, deceased in
J.bomas s Parifo;
PART of the PERSONAL ESTATE of the said deceased con
-1 fifting of a small flock of cattle, ffiecp, hogs and one horfe-'a
schooner burthen about seventy barrels of rice; $a riding chair with
harness, a horse and ox cart; houlhold and kitchen fur^ture some
carpenter's tools, a parcel of French and English books, two' gran
lings, a parcel of picked cotton, a loom, and sundry other articles
All sums under fifty pounds currency to be cash, and all above credit
till January next, paying interest and giving security if required
All persons indebted to the estate either by bond, note' or account'
are desired to difehargerthe fame by the fcif of April next; and th fe
who have any demands on the said estate, are' ctefired to brin^in
their accounts properly attested, to °
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ONE undivided third part of a PLANTATION on Daniel's
Bland, in St. Thomas's Parish, containing"!7l acr^s, old, mea
sure, be the fame more or less, where,the fate Mr. Isaac Leffeffne
resided. On the premises are a large and commodious dwelling
house, and a number of necessary outbuildings.
One undivided third part of a TRACT of LAND, adjoining the
above, commonly known by the name of Raven's Trad, contakirm
about fed acres, more or less. °
A PLANTATION on said iflanj, containing; 623 acres, more or
less. On the premises hands an unfinifhed two' ftp'ry frame house.
which, at a infall expence may be finifhed", together with several
outbuildings; an orchard of choice young fruit trees, about 50 acres
of land under fence, and mayße roL—^ rirts ©ton.' The fituarinn
- ct mo noth tor pleasure and profit are well known
Any person chute to purchase before the day of file may know
the terms, by applying to the fubferiber, No. 9, South-Bay?'
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A BSENIuD himfeli from me, a negro man named LINDO
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a leather cap, Slaves and dresses hair. Whoever will deliver
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ALL persons indebted to Rabonr, Crinsoz, & Co. arc dfir,|
to fettle the fame before the 20th of March, otherwise they will!
be lued without.further notice. 'q
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the fame before the 20th of March,.otherwife they will be
lued without further notice.T
February 28, 1781. KINGSLEY & GATS.
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And way be Entered upon immediately,
MY PLANTATION in St. Andrew's Parifn, containing
acres of land; also two LOTS of LAND in Jackfonborough
Apply to Thomas Farr, Esq; at Alhley-River, or the fubferiber at
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EYEING jnft arrived from England for the sole purpose of col
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Stott, & Co. and being obliged to return in the course of the en
suing summer, therefore requests all persons anywise indebted to the
said co-partnership, or to the estate of his late partner Mr. Wil
liam Lawrence, speedily to difeharge their refpe&ive debts, other
wise he will be obliged to put the fame in suit, much against his in
clination.
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a store, may be accommodated by applying at No. 93, Meeting
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r rHE lubferiber intending shortly to go to Europe for his health,
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five acres, more or less, has a never-failing spring of excellent wa
ter, is very fertile, producing a great quantity of hay, and all_kinds
of vegetables suitable for the market ; and being known by the name
of the Rat-Trap, which was always considered the bell laid on
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EIGHT NEGROES, either separately or with the plantation, all
young and healthy, and have had the small pox, three of them fel
lows, who can mow, plough, take care of horses, and attend the
markets ; and four of them wenches, two of which have been
usually employed to fell milk and other produce of the planta
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the waters of Edifto, bounded, at the time of the survey; on .all
sides, by vacant land. And,
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