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Parliamentary Proceedings.
House of Commons, Thursday, November 30.
COLONEL Barre' rose, and produced a motion, which he
had made the preceding day, relative to the state of the
army in America, but had withdrawn, in consequence of the
absence of the Secretary at War. The Colonel said, he did
not believe there would be the flighted objection to his motion,
because he had founded it on a hint, dropped by the Right
Hon. Gentleman himfelf, who in the course of his speeches last
Friday, had said, he had no objection to laying accounts of the
Rate of the army, a year ago, before the House. Having pre
mised this, the Colonel delivered his nation to the Speaker,
who read it as follows .
" That there be laid before this House a fate of his Majes
ty's land forces, officers included, in North America and the
Weft-Indies, diftinguiihing the national, foreign, and provin
cial troops, and diftinguiihing also the place of their distribu
tion, as they voe at the end of the year 1779, taken from the
last returns within that year."
The Secretary at War said, he Had not the flighted objection
to the niotion, as far as it related to his office ; he thought it
fair, however, to tell the Hon. Gentleman, that he could only
give the House the returns as they were sent over from time to
time, by the. Commander in Chief; accounts of the fate of Ue
army were always sent to the Secretary of State for the Ameri
can department, and did not come to him ; what he had re
ceived, the House should undoubtedly have.
Colonel Barre in reply, acknowledged the truth of what
the Right Hon. Gentleman had said, but observed, that his
motion was not confined to the papers of any one office, and
therefore, if no objection was made, he should persist in it.
Lord G. Germain (who had just entered the House) said, he
really did not wilh to object to, or to..throw any impediment
in the way of the motion ; but he submitted it to the Hon.
Gentleman himfelf, whether it would be prudent to call for
the state of the army, up to so recent a date as the end of 1779,
which was, in fad, almost the fame thing as calling for the
hit returns; because, exclusive of the small reinforcement sent
over in the course of last year, the army now stood pretty near
ly as it did at the end of 1779. #
Col. Barre said, if the noble Lord chose to persist in his ob
jection, he was perfectly aware of the force he should have to
contend with, and how little able he was to fland the contest ;
he would therefore rather withdraw his motion, than have it
negatived in so thin a House ; but he could not help faying,
that he saw ro real danger in granting him the papers, since
all the information they contained referred to the state of the
army a year ago, which certainly could not be its present state.
Lord 'George, in reply, assured the Hon. Gentleman, that
he had no desire to impede his obtainment of the papers, nor
had he any idea, which way the majority of the House would
decide, if the sense of the House was taken upon the motion;
he had merely suggested what struck him upon the moment,
and he would mention, where in particular he thought he saw
some danger from the motion as it stood. The forces in Nova
Scotia, at Penobfcot, and Pensacola, were the fame now, as
at the end of 1779 ; therefore, if the state of distribution of the
army at that time was brought upon the table, mifchief might
ensue ; he submitted the whole, however, to the Hon. Gen
tleman's own consideration.
Colonel Barre, not willing to be outdone in candour, said,
He would so far give way to the noble Lord, that sooner than
be thought willing to call for any papers, which might give
information to our enemies) he would strike out the objection
able part, and take away the only words that could be deemed
so. The Colonel then, with the consent of the House, omit
ted the words, “ and diftinguiihing also the place of their dis
tribution ;" but at the fame time said, that there was a prece
dent for the whole motion. Returns, and a full and complete
state of the army then in North-America, had been consented
to by Ministers, and laid before the House as soon as called
for, immediately after news had arrived, that the army com
manded by Gen. Burgoyne were made prisoners at Saratoga.
Sir George Savile questioned the propriety of giving up any
part of the motion, and said, the people had a right to know
for what they paid their money; and as so very large and ex
pensive ah army had been voted and provided for, they ought
to be fatisbed that it existed, and where it was employed. He
laughed at the idea of keeping an account ofits state in 1779
from General Washington, and said, if the fad really were,
that 'General Washington found as much difficulty in getting
at a state of the English army in America as the E'nglifh Parlia
ment did, he should begin to have a much better opinion of
the war, and of our profpeds, than he had hitherto enter
tained.
“ That there be laid before the Iloufe the monthly returns
of the army and militia of Great-Britain, from the 25th of
March last, as far as the said returns are come in."
The Secretary at War said, he must object to this motion,
because it was directly telling our enemies the force of the
kingdom.
Sir Philip persisted in his mbtion, declaring he had reason to
believe that some impositions were pradtifed upon Govern
ment and upon the publick, by the regiments in the militia
not being duly muttered, which he understood they never yet
had been, the returns being just what the Colonels chose to
make them. Though the militia was a popular Service, he
thought it his duty to endeavour to detect tbefe irnpofitions.
Lord Beauchamp said, if gentlemen applied army ideas to
the militia, they would be perpetually perplexed and con
founded. That the two services were exceedingly diftind
and different. The Honourable Baronet had seemed to drop
an insinuation, as if he knew of some frauds that had been
Lord George Germain said, he had not objected to the motion
upon any such ground as the Hon. Baronet had chosen to sup
pose; he had not dropt a Syllable fignifying that he was afraid
General Washington Should gather information from the mo
tion, as it originally stood. The motion in its original state
would give information of the distribution and state ot our army
at the end of the year 1779 '° a " the world. We were at war
with other powers Besides America, and all that was done in
that House was known throughout Europe; he did not think it
right, that France and Spain Should be exactly informed of the
state of our Strength in Nova-Scotia, Penobfcot, and at Pensa
cola.
After a few words from Colonel Barren by way of civility to
Sir George Savile, the motion, as altered by the Colonel, was
put and carried.
The Colonel then moved the three following motions, which
met with no objection.
" That there be laid before this House, an account of men
loft and disabled in his Majesty's land service, including marines
serving on (hore, and foreign troops in British pay, by death,
captivity-, desertion, wounds, or sickness; in North-America
and the Weft-Indies, from the Ift of November 1774,t0 the
date of the last returns inclusive, distinguishing each year,
corps, and service." Also, " An Account of all the men raised
for his Majesty's land Service (militia and fencible men not
included) in Great-Britain and Ireland, from the 29th of
September 1774 to the 29th of September 1780, distinguishing
each year." —And also
“ Totals of the embarkation returns of all the British corps
and recruits, which have been sent from Great-Britain or Ire
land to any part of North-America, or the Weft-Indies, in the
years 1778, 1779. and 1780, diftinguifhag each year."
Sir Philip Jennings Clerke, after a few introductory words,
moved,
BEING just arrived from England for the sole purpose of col
lecting the Debts due to the late co-partnership of Robert
StoTt, & Co. and being obliged to return in the course of the en
suing Summer, therefore requests all persons anywise indebted to the
said co-partnership, or to the estate of his late partner Mr. Wil
liam Lawrence, speedily to difeharge their refpe&ive debts, other
wise he will be obliged to put the fame in suit, much against his in
clination. J
BY PERMISSION.
For Private Sale,
THE following two LOTS of LAND, of which immediate pof
feflion will be given to the purchasers, viz.
The LOT and BUILDINGS thereon in Church-street, No. 15,
adjoining Mr. Spooner's Stores, and now in the occupation of Mr.
John Ralph, cabinet-maker.
The HOUSE and LOT in Church-street, No. 34, adjoining Mr.
Ralph's.
The advantageous Situation of these lots for trade is well known.
For particulars apply at No. 8, Cumberland-Street, to
t WALTER MANSELL,
THOMAS CORBETT.
AN OVERSEER who understands the management of a river
fwamp plantation, and can bring proper recommendations for
his sobriety, industry and honesty, will meet with encouragement, by
applying to ALEXANDER INGLIS.
N. B. A Single man will be preferred.f
LANDED from on board the Britannia, Capt. Henry Waide,
lying at Greenwood's wharf, sundry Packages of GOODS,
marked I 4 W; the owner of which, or his attorney, is requested
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to call for them at the fubferibers Counting-house on the Bay, No. 41.
February 27, 1781. t JOHN SIMPSON, & Co.
WANS ED immediately, a man capable of conducting the tan
ning and Shoemaking manufactory, on a pleasant place near
Charleftown ; liberal encouragement will be given, so as to make it
an object for any one well qualified, and none else need apply. En
quire of the Printers.
A few vacant LOTS on Greenwood's Wharf,
To be LET on building Leases.
Enquire at No. 44, on the Bay. f
ALL persons indebted to the eftateof Thomas-LoughtonSmith,
Esq; deceased, are desired to fettle their refpe&ive obligations,
on or before the firfl day of May next. Thole whom it may not suit to
pay the whole, have notice that the interest to that period is required,
together with a renewal of their bonds. THOMAS SMITH,
March 1, 1781. f ALEXANDER INGLIS.
ALEXANDER INGLIS requests those indebted to him to fettle
to his Satisfaction on or before the firft day of May next; and he
hereby gives notice to those who paid him in depreciated currency, to
provide for the full and equitable difeharge of his demands, as he will
otherwise do himfelf justice in the fpeediefl method in his power.
He also desires those indebted to the estates of George Inglis, and
David Deas, Efqrs. and Mrs. Helen Rattray, or to Mrs. Janet Camming,
to pay their refpe&ive debts, or to renew their obligations.f
SOLOMON SMITH,
Informs his Friends and the Publick,
THAT he is returned to this Province, and carries on the UP
HOLSTERER's BUSINESS in all its branches. He is now
opening for sale, at his house in Tradd-ftreet, No. 8, a large and
elegant assortment of Furniture, confining of Camp Beds and Bed
steads, with Springs and Cases; Looking Glasses, inlaid Tea Tables
and Trays, with a great variety of other articles. He will be much
obliged to his former friends for a continuance of their custom, as
well as to all those who may please to employ him.
N. B. A quantity of NEW CORKS for fale.f
TO BE SOLD, or Let on Lease for five Years, a LOT of LAND
on the Bay, a little to the north of the Exchange, and two lots
from No. 25, containing 24 and a half feet front, and 142 feet deep;
it has on it a large two-dory brick kitchen, wash-house and Hore,
with a fine cellar underneath, the brick foundation of a house, and
the cellar paved. Another LOT in Union-street, on the back of
the other, containing 24 and a half feet front, and 82 feet 10 inches
deep. There are on it a a good chair-house and stable, which, with
the addition of a chimney, would make a good Hore and kitchen*
there is also the brick foundation of a former house. Apply to
+ THOMAS BUCKLE, No. 35, Bay.
Charlfown, February 5, I 781.
ALL persons indebted to Andrew Lord, and Andrew and
George Lord, are desired to pay the interest and part of the
principal of their bonds for negroes fold from the year 1771 to 1775,
in the course of this crop.
N. B. Their counting-house is kept at ANbREw Lord's house on
the Green. f
To be rented for one Tear certain,
SEVERAL fettled PLANTATIONS belonging to sequestered es
tates, in the parishes of St. Andrew, St. George, St. Paul, and
St. Bartholomew. For particulars apply, at the Horse Ihoe, to
February 12, 1781. f R. BALLINGALL.
ABSENTED themselves some time ago from the fubferiber,
Mary, a likely young black wench, 20 years old, has remarka
bly red lips, and very large eyes.-—Nero, a young fellow, 18 years
old, tall and Him, Hammers in his speech. I am informed they are
in the neighbourhood of Camden. A reward of Five Guineas for the
wench, and Four for the fellow, will be paid to whoever will deliver
them to me. Should they return of their own accord, all past offences
will be forgiven. | FRANCES S. PINCKNEY.
praaifed by the officers. He believed the insinuation was
wholly without foundation, and he must fay, it was exceeding
improper to throw out any insinuation of the kind without
proof. The militia was, from its constitution, so fluctuating
a body, that the fame rules as were necessarily followed by the
army could not be applied to it; every regulation that was
practicable was, he knew, Strictly followed with regard to some
militia regiments, and he believed they were Strictly followed
with regard to others. In behalf of the militia, he called
therefore upon the Honourable Baronet to prove, that any'
such fraudulent practices had been committed, as he had
pointed out.
Sir Philip said, he was willing to meet the noble Lord on
that ground, and was ready with proof, but that it would be
impossible for him to substantiate his proof, unless he had the
monthly teturns, because it was from them alone that the
House could be convinced as to the truth or fallacy of what
he meant to bring forward ; he Should therefore persist in his
motion, and was determined to take the sense of the House
upon it.
Col. Barre said, he thought his honourable friend's motion
by no means objectionable ; that instead of tending to expose
the weakness of the country, it would tend to Shew our
Strength ; and if we had 78,060 men in arms in England, it
would be a serviceable thing for the State to let France and
Spain know as much. Give them proof that we had such a
force on foot at home, and he would venture to foretel, that
they.would not again meditate an invasion. If, however, the
motion was negatived, and the returns that were moved for
refufed, he must recur to his old question, and his old argu
ment—What was become of the publick money voted for the
Support of our home force ?.
The House divided upon the motion, when the numbers
were, Ayes - 16
Noes - 56 .
The House broke up at four o'clock, and adjourned till
Monday next.
[To be continued.] ,
ROBERT STOT T,
THAT he has returned to this Province, and continues his
SHOE-MAKING BUSINESS as usual, at No. 3, Chambers's
Alley. He has imported in the last fleet from London, a Quantity
of draw Boot Legs, Calf and Morocco Skins of all kinds, Ever
lastings and Callimanco of the best quality.
Those who choose to favour him with their custom may rely up
on being served in the best manner, and on the most reasonable
terms. ^b.
WANTED immediately, a large quantity of OAK BARK, for
which ready money will be given on its being delivered.
Enquire at Wells's Book-store, No. 71, Tradd-ftreet.J
ALL persons indebted to Rabone, Crinsoz, & Co. are desired
to fettle the fame before the 20th of March, otherwise they will
be sued without further notice.
February 28, 1,81. KINGSLEY & TAYLOR.
ALL persons indebted to Kingsley & Oats, are desired to fettle
the fame before the 20th of March, otherwise they will be
sued without further notice.
February 28, 1781. KINGSLEY & OATS.
CT- 1 O be Let, on building Leases, several TOWN LOTS, all
pleasant high situations.
Also, to be fold or rented, a PLANTATION at Goofecreek,
20 miles from town, containing 900 acres, near 200 of which ia
good rice land, and the rest good Indigo and provision land; on
which is a two ftorey cypress framed dwelling-house in good repair;
the barn and out buildings of brick, with a good garden and orchard.
Also, to be fold, that Plantation called KINGSTON, on Red
Bank Bluff, on Cooper River, about 12 miles by water from Charlef
town, containing 1000 acres, may be made very profitable for cut
ting lumber or fire-wood, burning bricks, tile or lime; there being
a good kiln built for that purpose; is convenient for supplying the
town with garden fluff, would make a good Chip-yard, tan-yard,
rope-walk or distillery, having good water; the pleasant situation,
publick landing and other natural advantages will, in some future
time, cause a town, (which was many years ago laid out in lots) to
be built here.
Also, to be fold, a well built three ftorey BRICK HOUSE and
LOT, No. 68, in Tradd-ftreet.
A part of the Money, Government or other good Bills, or Pro
; duce is wanted; but the remainder will be made very easy to the
purchasers. Enquire of *6. AARON LOOCOCK.
r rAKLN up on Pine Island Bank,on Sunday the 18th of February,
1781,211 old CANOE, 25 feet long and 5 -feet wide, inside much
hurt, has a ring bolt through her bow. 'i'he owner may have her again
by proving his property before a magillrate, and paying me for all the
expences 1 have been at. , WII LIARf MEGGETT.
Most kinds of ufcful Drugs and Medicines, Phials, Phial Corks,
Spices, and some articles of Grocery, are to be fold at No. 9 in Orange
ftreet, much cheaper than common in Charleftown.+
BRIAN CAPE requests those indebted to him to fettle their ac
counts, bonds or notes, as early as possible, that he may be ena
bled to make remittances to his, creditors in Britain.
His Counting-House is kept at No. 84, Church-ftreet.f
To be Let for One Tear,
THAT valuable PLANTATION on Wampee, Savannah, for-*
merly belonging to Capt. John Cattell, deceased. Any
person inclinable to rent the fame, must appl)' to
CATHARINE CATTELL, fen.
f CATHARINE CATTELL, jun. or to
I ISAAC M'PHERSON./
r rHE fubferiber intending soon to embark for England, will dis
pose of, at private sale, (having permission) his HOUSE and
LOT on the south fide of Broad-street, No. 78, extremely well
situated either for trade or a genteel family.
All persons having demands against him, are requeued to make
them known; and those anyways indebted to him, to make immedi
ate payment. ROBERT BEARD.
Cbarleftonon, February 17, 1,81. f
THE fubferiber, at No. 22, Broad-street, takes the liberty*
to inform his friends and the pubiick, that he intends to con
tinue the FACTORAGE BUSINESS, and will be much obliged
to those who may chufe to favour him with the sale of their crops
of INDIGO, RICE and TOBACCO. He likewise intends to dis—
pose of at private sale, NEGROES, HOUSES and LANDS, on
commission. Such as please to employ him, may depend on his
utrnoft care and endeavours for their interest. Any of his country
friends having schooners of their, own, by addressing a line to
him, may depend that they shall meet with no unnecessary delays
in town; and if any of them should want schooners to convey
their produce to town, he will use every endeavour to procure them.
For the further conveniency of his friends, he intends to keep a
supply of rum, wine, sugar, salt, bar-iron, &c. &c. with a small
assortment of dry goods. f RICHARD WAYNE,
WANTED immediately, two experienced PILOTS for the
passages of the Caicos and Bahama Islands; also for the coast of
America, particularly between Cape Hatteras and Cape May. Hand
some encouragement will be given to any person or persons well
recommended, by applying at No. 33, on the Bay.f
' / TO BE LET, —
AThree-ftory HOUSE in Tradd-ftreet, near the Bay, with
five rooms, and a store 27 feet by 18 ; also a dry cellar. The
situation for trade is equal to any part of Charleftown. Apply to
^^7, 1781. f ROBERT LINDSAY.
WANTED immediately for Dean-Hall plantation, on
Cooper-River, belonging to the estate of Sir John Nisbet,,
an OVERSEER capable of undertaking the management of that
place. None need apply without a fufficient recommendation.
JOHN DEAS.
' BY PERMISSION.' ~'
To be fold for Case, Credit, Governmeut Dills, Produce or Houses and
Lots in Town,
A Valuable PLANTATION in Christ Church Parish, situated
betwixt Wapetaw and Guerin's bridges, about 16 miles from
town, containing about 500 acres, most of it well timbered, and so
convenient that there is scarce a tree half a mile from good landings,
an exceeding good range for stock, and from its situation can be
fenced at a small expence. On the premises is a very convenient
dwelling house with necessary out-buildings. For further particulars
enquire of WILLIAM M'KIMMY.
TO BE SO L D,
Several Trails of I,and, containing from 250 to 800 acres, situated
on Island Creek, near the Horse-Shoe, belonging to the estate of
Mr. Alexander Kerr, deceased. Enquire as above.
WANTED, an OVERSEER for a plantation in St. Andrew's
parish, about 13 miles from town ; an honest industrious man.
will meet with good encouragement. Apply to
t NATHANIEL RUSSELL.
CTriE fubferiber's affairs demanding his appearance in London, : !td
X his constitution being too much broken to bear the heat us anoth p
summer here, intends to embark for England in or before June next ;
he therefore earnestly intreats those indebted to him by bond, note,
&c. &c. to enable him to carry part, if not the whole, of their long-
Handing debts, to his just creditors in Europe. As what remain un<-
paid must be left in the hands of his attornies, to be legally collected
and remitted after him with all speed, for the general benefit of all
to whom he is indebted, he hopes all concerned will save them
selves expence and trouble, and him the real uneasiness such mea
fares would occasion He also flatters himfelf, that some persons who
for many years have Icept him out of large sums, and who now are very
able, will have gratitude and honour enough to pay, as they must
knew his placing too credulous a confidence in them, is the chief cause
of his bad success; on their refufal, he is determined to sue in a Court
of Equity, and thereby prove the truth, or otherwise of their former
profellions of inability. SAMUEL CARNE.
The HOUSE and LAND in Orange-street, and a LOT in King-
Hreet, formerly advertised, are Hill for private sale. If not disposed of
by April next, they, with feveral,other articles, will be put up at pub
lick vendue.
JOHN GRANT,
Informs bis Friends and the Publick,