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Majority for the address 44
? R O T F. S T.
she following is entered against the Proceedings in the House of Lords
on Turfday, November 2]tb, 1781.
It was proposed to leave out, after the Second paragraph of the mo
tion for the Address, the remaining part of the motion, and to
infer t.
" And we will, without delay, apply ourselves with united hearts
«' to propofc and digest such Counsels, to be laid at his Royal Feet,
" as may excite theefforts, point the arms, and command the confi
" dence of all his fubje&s."
6 After lon, debate, the question was put thereupon.
It Was resolved in the negative.,
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Then the question was put, that the motion at firft proposed do
fond part of the question.
It was resolved in the affirmative.
Dissentient,
For reasons too often urged in vain for these last Seven years against
the ruinous prosecution of the unjust war carrying on bv his Majes
ty's Ministers against the people of North-Ahierica, and too fatally
confirmed by repeated experience, and the late difgraeeful loss of a
second army, to stand in need of repetition. RICHMOND,
FITZWILLIAM,
ROCKINGHAM,
House of Commons, November 27.
The following members took the oaths, Sir Samuel Brudenell
Tludyer, W. P. A. A'Court, Efa; James Hare, Esq; Andrew Stuart,
Ffq; Thomas Johnnes, Esq; Sir Adam Ferguson, Christ. Potter, Esq;
Sir Watkin Lewis, Anthony Bower, Esq.
Debate on the Address.
When the Commons returned to their own Houfy, after attending
at the bar of the House of Lords to hear his Majesty's Speech,
The Hou. C. G. Perceval moved, that an humble address be pre-;
fented to his Majesty. He observed, that an advantageous peace
could only be obtained by a vigorous and unremitted prosecution of
fan, only to clear Ministers, who had been unjustly ncoufed. Pro
bably, the commanders in chief by lea and land in America had very
good regions for what they did. All he wished for was an enquiry ; a
dull, fair, and Serious enquiry into the real caule of'the difalter. Jhe
Publick, and their LordPiips, had a right to have so capital a lot's
accounted for, that they might know where the blame lay. His Lord-
Ship declared he thought the American war ought to be piofccutcd.
The lots of four, five, or even fix tb/tfandinen, did not weigh with
him (ufhciently to induce him to alter his opinion upon the fub
jeci he therefore gave the original address his hearty support. .
The Earl of Derby expressed his aftonilhment and indignation at
having heard 4 speech from the throne, and an address moved upon
it, 'without any one Minister riling to Support either. This lilence
he imputed to some concealed intention. 'lt was time to take the
bondage, from the eyes of his Maj^'ty, and by honest and wife coun
cils to assist in i extricating the king and the people from their present.
difficulties. He should vote for Lord Shelburne's amendments.
The Earl of Abingdon adverted to a variety, of topicks not very fr
pofite to the question; and declared, he would ever oppose the pre
"lent corrupt Ministers.
Pifeount Stormont laid that the arguments of the two nobleTords
who moved and Seconded the address, appealed to him so full and
convincing, that he Should not have risen, bad not the noble Earl
(Derby) so pointedly called upon him. The noble Lords, the lap
porters of the amendment had not Overthrown that incontrovertible
portion, that the address did natibind the House to any future line.
-of condua; but had displayed their eloquence on a variety of Subjects,
alfof them totally unconnected with the present question. It was
impoflible to recommend to the favereign future operations of war,
without laying them open to Parliament, an imprudence but ill-foil
ed to the wifdeni of the House. The amendment could not allude
to peace, as it mentioned the excitement of hostile efforts, and a par
ticular prosecution of the war. Did The noble Lords wilh the plaits
ofifuture'hoftilities to be difetrffed, not only before the House, but til
ths prefenct of strangers; the firft with of his Majesty's heart was to
'restore the buffings'of a fafe and honourable peace to all his domini
ons. bf this truth not any noble Lord could entertain a doubt. All
know the fortitude and benevolence of his disposition; and that he
was equally anxious to preserve unsullied the dignity of his Crown,
and to secure the happiness of his fubjeCts. "'he language of the
speech from the throne was peculiarly propcr'in a moment like the
present, and eftabliihed custom rendered such an address as had been
- moved the proper answer to it. Would their Lordihips wiffi to tell
all Europe, at such a moment, that they would not support his Ma
jesty in a vigorous prosecution of the war? America was too impor
tant a part of the Britilh empire to be relinquished ; the present cribs
called for redoubled ardour and exertion; Britain was now fighting
for her exigence; the present war was- not a warof choice; our firu
ation was Inch, that we must conquer or perilh. At such an alarm
ing and important juncture, would any noble Lord tcll all the World,
-that the House would not co-operate with his Majesty ? The war
with the Dutch had already been fully raveftigated; a renewal of
that topick was at present tfnfeafonabte. -For the lalt forty years all
the efforts of France had been directed towards the deftrudion of Bri-
Tgin; with the fame views file now affiftpl America; therefore^
withdraw our troops from that country, arid to ledve it in the power
of the Colonists to facilitate the inveterate chtorprizes of'thL Hcufe
'of Bourbon, would be a reproachful disregard of our common Safety.
Were our troops withdrawn, the Americans were bound by treaty to
attack us in the Weft-Indies? Were the noble Lords ready to give up
Canada, Halifax, New-York, and the other parts of America, full
in our hands? If they w^re not, they WonHjoin withhim in throw
ing out an objectionable amendment, and voting for the address.
Lord Grofucnor said he loved his King and country, and therefore
felt it to be his duty to accede to Lord Shelburne's amendment.
The Dube of Grafton laid the speech was the speech of the Mihif
ters, and that they possessed neither Spirit, firmnefs, coiififtcncy, nor
unanimity. Nothing could save the country from ruin btftheir re
xnoval..„'
Lord Camden like the Earl of Derby, said there Was fomeffiing
"lurking under the words of the address, and "if he voted for it, he
Should think himfelf pledged to vote during the session for all the
ministerial measures refpe^ing the American war. As the argu
ments of the noble Viscount (Stormont) were Sheltered. under gene
-Iral cxpreffions, it was difficult to answer them. The address Was the
rcho of the speech, they both came out of the fame Shop: it wits the
Minister anfWering the Minister. Thk French expeditions wd*e
wifely planned and fuccefsfully executed;' we followed the French
with a final! force, and arrived when the bufibds was over; like the
clumsy fencer of Demosthenes, who when he received a blow, clap
ped his hand to the. place, without either attempting to Strike or par
ry his adversary. He elofed with the faying of a Spanish Statesman
to Philip the third, when he Was at war with all Europe. " Tour
Madefy bat no refon to despond, as you have only -true enemies; and these
arc, all the r world and your own Minifers."
The Lord Chancellor observed, that of all topics an address Was the
least fertile. The amendment of the noble Earl, was not regulated
by the customs of Parliament; the complimentary parts of the ad
dress were hever cancelled. Its language net being Specifically bind
ing, their Lordihips might vote for it without pledging themselves
to support any future ministerial mcaftfre.
The Dube of Richmond laid, if the words of the address meant no
thing, it could not be improper to omit them, and observed that the
tenth article of Lord CbrnWalis's capitulation left the American re
fugees at the mercy of the Congress; a facrifice, which betides co
hering us with shame, would ever after prevent the Americans from
joining the British Standard.
The Lord Chancellor replied, he never had said the words of the ad
dress meant nothing, but that they were complimentary forms of
language, and, therefore according to ancient usage of Parliament,
^llowcd tp keep their place.
At ten o'clock the House divided.
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the war. If Parliament were unanimous, the gloom that involved'
us would quickly disperse, and the nation would regain its former
glory and felicity. Despair and indolent pufillarrirriity would only
invite calamity, and debate our national chdra&er. Dur late misfor
tunes were in a great degree to be ascribed to those, who, in their
parliamentary capacity, in defiance of Shame, in defiance of honour,,
and of every duty due to their King and country, had attempted to
iuftify revolt, and unnaturally exulted in the successes of the rebel
lious colonists. Such conduct must excite tie indignation of every
friend to Great-Britain. But it were devoutly to be wished that all
denominations would unite toriave thefr country; then victory would
crown our operations.
i\Lr. T. Or/feconded the motion, and declared, that if an honour
able peace was the general with, gentlemen must have difeovered
that it could only be obtained by a victorious war. The publick mis
• fortunes, instead of linking us into despondence, should awaken ar
dour and route us into exertion. The Commons should appear in arms
before the Thriine. Without the nwft determined efforts, our pow
erful enemies would overwhelm us with diffract in every quarter of
the globe. He then juftified every measure taken by Ministry to
bring back the colonists to their allegian.e. The Americans instigated
by the nioft tranticlc thirst of power, the inoft unjustifiable spirit of
revenge, anda prey th the flagitious artifices of France, had already
mortgaged their Country, and seemed ready to deliver them'felves up
wholly to that faitldeG ally, rather than return under the protection
of their mother-country, which had raised them to their late state of
opulence and fghkity. Confeious that no measure but a vigorous
prosecution of the whr, could lead to the attainment of peace, he
hoped that gentlemen, as lovers of their country, would, come for
ward with a Spirited and virtuous unanimity, aid vote in favour of
the Address.
AL. Fax said, if cither of the honourable gentlemen had been in
.Hie last Parliament, they would have disdained, from an indignant
recollection of all the forrher profligate meafurcs, to have counte
nanced a fj-ftem, which had involved the state in ruin and disgrace.
The most fla+ifh, verral, and unprincipled dependant, by whatever
ignominious tenure he held his feat, provided he had held it any
time, could not, although the loss of Sinecures and pensions Should
have Stared him in the face, have moved for such an address, recom
mended by a traiterous adminifcation, Whose baneful blunders and
political depravity, though not a proof that they received the -wages
°f tkeafrm, muTprove them as deriving the appellation of Ministers
of France, as of that of Minifter.s of Britain. A candid conftru&ion
of the Speech would run thus,—" our losses have been singularly ca
lamitous; the blood of my fubjeds has flowed in copious and una
vailing streams; the trcrifures of the country have been thrown away;
, the inlpofitioh of taxes upon an overburthened people, is grown at
length intolerable; yet I will tax you to the last failling; when all
hopes of victory is fled, and war must ruin the empire, I will forbid
you to think of peace, for my thirst of conquest is not quenched, my
revenge is unfated, and nothing Short of the Subjugation of my oppo
nents can Eppeafe r." What unparralleltd audacity in Ministers to
put such expressions into the mouth of a'mercifully disposed Sovereign,
when all ranks of people expected to havebeen cheated with the glad
I tidings of peace ? At firft they deluded Parliament into tire contest;
by declaring, it was not with America we had to contend, it was
, only with Hancock ind bis crew. A learned member (Lord Lough
borough) had been' exacted to a.peerage for no other merit that he
could ever difeover, than thrit of reviling our fellow-fabje&s in Ame
rica, and calling their oppoiition, " The war of Hancorl and bis crew."
Since that they had plunged this Country into war with France, Spain
and Holland. He then adverted ^ Mr. Perceval's attack on opposi
tion Administration ascribed all vidories and national advantages
to themselves; but should an injured people demand to know the
authors of their calamity, Who had brought the empire to the brink
of deftruAion, the miscreants, the real criminals would
point out the members of opposition. Surely an oppressed and irri
tated people would call for signal pimilhment on those who had con
spired to fink the nation in irretrievable deftrudtion; and compel them
to make fonie faint atonement for the magnitude of their offences on
a publick fcoffCd. The learned l.ord Advocate of Scotland was pleafcd
to'fmile at this last expreffibn. Did Ministers then yet fall Short of
meriting an exit oh the fcaffold? Was it not fufficient that they had
loft us 'North-America perhaps for ever ? Did it appear unworthy of
death that they had nearly loft us our Inlands in the Weft-Indies?
That they could not fuccour St. Philip's or Gibraltar? That they had
destroyed commerce ? Rendered us the ridicule of Europe ? And
robbed us of the sovereignty of the Ocean? If these would riot juftify
the raffing a fcaffold, at what future period would he plcafe to fix the
ceremonies of execution ?
Amidst all this furious declamation, he befcowed just praises on
the intrepidity and good conduct of that noble and gallant Com
mander Earl Cornwallis ; all our Generals had been brave, and all
unfortunate; the 'conqueft of Ticonderoga concluded in the farrender
of Saratoga ; the victories of General Howe in his recal; the battles
of Camden and Guildford in the capitulation at York; it had been
with Earl Cornwallis as with General Burgoyne,.
" The paths of glory led but to the grave.','
He then observed that an honourable gentleman (Mr. Rigby) had
declared last session, "If the capture of Charlfa-wr produced, no Jervice
able effect, be should grow Jick of the American war." "I he melancholy
effect was the loss of 7000 men, the flower of the British troops . He
then mentioned the firft Lord of the Admiralty as a capital delin
quent, and ascribed to him the loss of the gallant Cornwallis and his
army ; as there was no fleet to assist or to reimbark the troops ; there
was no alternative but to perilh or surrender. He did not mean to
throw any reflection on Admiral Graves; it would have been mad
ness in that Admiral with only 25 fail to have attacked 35, in their
petition in the Chefapeak. In this war, the Earl of Sandwich among
other things had made it an effentjal part of the duty of an F.nglifh
Admiral to run away from the enemy. Our fleets were inferior in
every quarter. The Admiralty conduct to Admiral Hyde Parker ex
hibited their system of management. He had written to them, that
the Dutch fleet was fironger than they had given him to underhand.
On this they lent a cutter to inform him, that there were two ships
at Harwich ready for sea at an hour's notice, which he might have it
he thought proper. By fending this cutter, instead of instantly lend
ing the ships, the opportunity was loft. By this treasonable conduct,
instead of a victory which would have maimed the Dutch for the
whole war, there was only a drawn battle. The solicitations for an
unanimous acquiescence in favour of the Address, he said, was a gross
insult to the understandings and principles of the members of opposi
tion. He would persist in oppoling the prosecution of the war, nor
assent to any measure, until such Ministers as ought to have been
conduced to the fcaffold, were driven from their places. He con
cluded with moving that after the firft paragraph of the Address, the
following should be inserted ; " Andwe will, without delay, apply our
selves with united hearts to propfand digest such councils as may, in this
criss, excite the efforts, point the arms, and by a total change op system,
command the confidence of all his Majeffs fAjetfs.'
Mr. Minebin seconded the amendment, and said, the Address con
tained the most insidious and detrimental flattery. Misfortunes could
not teach, nor ruin correct, the obftmacy of Minilters. Our fleets
were either cooped up, or ieen difgracefully running before the ene
my. He threw no blame on Admiral Darby, he had the highest
opinion of his bravery. With so Wry inferior a fleet, it was prudence
to avoid an engagement. It was the Admiralty system to which we
owed all our disgraces, When tire combined fleets appeared last sum
mer at the mouth of the Channel, I # ord Shuldham lent advices of it
from Plymouth to Bristol; it was as Angular, that 011 the fame day,
the Naval Commissioner at Bristol, received an express from the Ad
miralty, that they did not believe the combined fleets were out of
port. The merchants of Bristol did a^they ought, they believed
I,ord Shuldham in preference to the Admiralty, and saved their ships
by keeping them in port. The Admiralty lent out Admital Parker
with five ships, alluring him that the Dutch could not fend out a squa
dron equal to it; another ffiip was sent out to give him a decilive
Superiority, and the Berwiclc joinecEhim bv accident; yet atter all the
Dutch came out much Superior, and though Admiral Parker gained'
great honour, he could do his country no Service, ouch was the ex
treme negligence, incapacity, ignorance, oc treachery of the Ad
miralty.
Lord Midgrave said, if guilt existed, it was not applicable to the
firft Lord cf the Admiralty or Ida colleagues; one-caulc of our infe
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riority at sea was, the parsimony of forhier Boards of Admiralty;
another was the number and superiority of the enemy. It was an
uncontrovertible truth, and the reigns of King William and Queen
Anne furnifhed exairiples, that when the French directed their whole
attention to their marine, they rendered it superior to that of Britain,
and were able to contend with us for the dominion of the ocean. Yet
he averred that the firft fleet that I.ord Sandwich had lent into the
European seas was superior to the enUny. With refpe& to Admiral
Parker, the fa& had neither been correctly nor candidly stated. The
Admiral wrote that he fufpe&ed the Dutch were Stronger than the
Admiralty imagined ; a cutter was then sent to inform him, that the
Berwick had orders to join him, and that another line of battle ship
(this was the Sampson, 64 guns, Capt., William Dickson) was at
Harwich which he might have if he liked. Was there any tliin< rne
gligent or treacherous in this. It was his fineere opinion that the firft
Lord of the Admiralty was as honest a man, and as able a Naval Mi
nister, as ever filled that department.
Admiral Keppel denied the above incontrovertible-truth, and aver
red he could prove, that our inferiority at sea, arose from the criminal
and unexampled mismanagement of the present board of Admiralty.
Mr. T. Pitt was for the amendment, and thought the House ought
to refufe the Supplies till the Mirriftry was removed.
Lord North Said the war with America was both requifitc and juff.
it was not Sounded on ambition, but it was in defence of the rights of
Parliament. In voting for the address, gentlemen did net pledge
themselves to support any measure.
Me. Burke, with much anger, declared, that the noble Lord ac
cording to his habitual ignorance, on such occafious, neither under-
Stood the I'pecch nor the address. The firft positively cellared a defigu
to continue the war in America, the Second gave alfurances to support
that design ; therefore the address if carried must bind the House to
bear the burthen of the war.-
Mr Daubigny declared the war against America was lawful, poll,
tick, and neceflary ; and he affiired the House, that his Conftituenta
(the electors of Bristol) would cheerfully contribute their proportion
of expence towards the vigorous prosecution of it.
Kfount Maitland was for peace with America ; and was for invert
ing the proportion of Mr. Ord who econaed the aCTrefs; for if the'
Common- instead of approaching the Throne in arms, would urefent
themselves in that formidable manner before the Miniftr'y, it miHit
prove of most essential Service to the State.
Mr, Rigby declared his intention to vote for the address, as it did
net bind him *0 support any fpecifick meafnre, whatever he mi^ht
now think ®f our capture of Charleftown; and hinted at the'imixo
pr ety of convening * ele&ors to infirudt their representatives.'
General Conway was for the amendment, and declared that to ap
proach the Throne with such an'addrefs as that now before,the House,
Was a kind of High Treason against the country.
Mr, Sheridan remarked 011 th*e disdain with which a right honour
able gentleman (Mr. Rigby) so often mentioned the elective body of
the kingdom. Some peifons were weak or wicked enough to think
that Ministers ought to keep their places, and enjoy the confidence
of the nation, though they were unequal to the managemen of the
publick affairs.
Mr. Rigby ro'fe again, and said, he could not fuffer the crowd in
the galleries to leave the House with an idea that he was capable of
manifesting a contemptuous disregard to the rights and privileges of
the people; his opinion was, that it was difficult to assemble bodies
of electors, without difprder ; and that violations of the peace might
bring down puniihment on the guilty.
At two in the morning, the House divided; For Mr. Fox's amend
ment, 129; Against it, 218. Majority, 89. #
'I ellers; Mr. Byng and Mr. Sheridan, Mr. Robinson and Mr. Ord.
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