From: shackleton@austin.rr.com
To: smu-betas@yahoogroups.com
Date: 2001-11-16 03:08:21+00:00
Subject: Re: [smu-betas] Sad day for Auburn Betas

Now, Now.  It's not MY kind of thinking that lead anywhere.  It's stupid
pledges with insufficient guidance from the leaders of the Auburn chapter
that lead to this discussion.  The Leaders of the Beta chapter should have
sent those guys packing immediately for their un-funny dress up.  But
remember when Ted Danson dressed in blackface when he was dating Whoopi
Goldberg?   The glitterati considered it poor taste and then dropped the
whole issue almost immediately.  I can't claim to know the Greek diversity
statistics at Auburn, so I don't pre-suppose that the Black Fraternity has
no whites, nor that the other national fraternities have no blacks.  I do
know that  campus life has changed considerably in 30 years, that
inter-racial dating and marriages are quite prevalent and the student bodies
and their organizations (including Greek) are reflective of those changes.
The point still remains that the Black Fraternity is as racial isolated, or
perhaps even more racially isolated, than probably any other campus
organization.  Perhaps that is why they take such offense at the Beta
stunt - maybe even more offense than the situation warranted.


----- Original Message -----
From: aldentiii <adentiii@houston.rr.com>
To: <smu-betas@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [smu-betas] Sad day for Auburn Betas


> Brother Shackleton, it's your kind of thinking that lead to this
discussion.
> You know damn well the THE REASON that the Black fraternity with no white
> members exists on the Auburn campus is because there are none of the Miami
> Triad members or any other national fraternities on that campus who pledge
> Blacks.  So, don't be so stupid with your inane comment about the fact
that
> the Black fraternity has no "white guys" as members.  Before you stepped
> foot on the campus at SMU, there was an occasion when there was a very
sharp
> Black guy who registered for and came through rush.  Surprisingly, there
> were several of us (including yours truly - an original New Orleans biggot
> of the highest magnitude) who really were impressed with the guy and
thought
> we should invite him back for the house party.  I remember vividly the
> incredible outlash when we stood before our brothers and tried to convince
> them to ignore the fact that this guy was Black.  We got hooted down and
he
> was BALLED!  And, I have no doubts after reading your immature remark that
> the same would have taken place during your tenure as an active at Gamma
> Omega.  So, get a life, Ace.  It's 2001 and counting.  How many Black
> brothers can you name from Gamma Omega?
>
> - kai -
>
> Dick Dent #267
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <craig_shackleton@amat.com>
> To: <smu-betas@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [smu-betas] Sad day for Auburn Betas
>
>
> >
> > RE: the important intermediary that will break the stranglehold on
racism
> > here.  The Betas might get one of white guys in the Black Frat to step
in
> > to help.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "CARL HOHL" <handshohl@eudoramail.com> on 11/15/2001 09:55:49 AM
> >
> > Please respond to smu-betas@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> > To:   smu-betas@yahoogroups.com
> > cc:
> > Subject:  Re: [smu-betas] Sad day for Auburn Betas
> >
> >
> >
> > alDentiii, JaDrow:
> >
> > I applaud your additions and input!  He's right, Woody.
> > And he doesn't need me to say that, either, but I wish I had thought of
> > what he added first!
> >
> > The B.F. (Black Fraternity, what are the Greek letters?) holds most of
the
> > cards in this scenario.  Therefore, whoever the intermediary is is
> > excruciatingly important vis-a-vis credibility with local Auburn parties
> as
> > well as the National fraternities.
> >
> > Bottom line:  Can everybody (including the polka-dotted people) step
> > outside of their stereotypical roles for a minute and make a statement
to
> > their unborn sons and daughters that racism of all colors ends with our
> > generation?  (Shocking coming from a Republican)  Or is this just
another
> > news story, another missed opportunity?  After all, we went to SMU for
the
> > same reason they are at Auburn now.  Most of us are or will be amused to
> > look back at some of the unexpected sources of the lessons learned.
> >
> > Can you tell that my profession is very close to this question more
often
> > than all of its members wish to admit?
> >
> > The Less Diplomatic Brother Sarl
> >
> >  Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:12:22   aldentiii wrote:
> > >Woody, though Brother Carl's suggestions have some merit, I suggest
that
> > if
> > >you are going to get involved and
> > >talk to your son's actives that a little more diplomacy be considered.
I
> > >too have read many of the news reports about the
> > >"incident", and several were coupled with quotes from members of the
> Black
> > >fraternity aimed directly at the Betas rather than
> > >the Delta Sigs.  I think that any attempt on the part of the local
> > (former)
> > >chapter members to approach the members of the Black fraternity for
> > >forgiveness will be met with outrage and will be rejected and blown up
in
> > >the press in such a way as to
> > >make impossible a solution.  The chapter needs to find an intermediary
> who
> > >they can talk to and who has credibility with the Black fraternity.
They
> > >need to have a complete game plan to pitch to the intermediary, who, if
> > >convinced with their sincerity about their remorse in what happened,
will
> > be
> > >willing to pitch their case to the Black fraternity in hopes of
bringing
> > >about a meeting between representatives from the Beta chapter and the
> > Black
> > >fraternity to iron out an agreement to resolve the dispute and to
include
> > >the Black fraternity in supporting a petition to reinstate the
chapter's
> > >charter (and probably with conditions which the Black fraternity will
> > demand
> > >and which the Betas - behind the eight ball - can't negotiate away).
> > >Unfortunately, the Betas are not in a good bargaining position.  So
> > whatever
> > >course they elect to take, they will need to remember this.  They will
> > have
> > >to eat a whole lot of humble-pie to get that charter back.
> > >
> > >- kai -
> > >
> > >Dick Dent a.k.a. the Deacon #267
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "woody berry" <boethia@hotmail.com>
> > >To: <smu-betas@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 12:23 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [smu-betas] Sad day for Auburn Betas
> > >
> > >
> > >> Carl,
> > >>     That's a great idea and is one the men there are already trying
to
> > >work
> > >> on.  As you might imagine, relations with the black frat are a bit
raw
> > >> emotionally right now, but it's a good idea.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Drow
> > >>
> > >> PS.  By the way, that's quite possibly the very first intelligent
thing
> > >I've
> > >> ever hear you articulate in, oh, about 30 years or so.
> > >>
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> > >connected and consider a future homecoming BETA reunion.  It's
> > >incredible...forget the 20 years in between...everyone just seems to
pick
> > it
> > >up right where they left off years ago.
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At Homecoming 2000, the BETA TENT had the biggest crowd by far.  Stay connected and consider a future homecoming BETA reunion.  It's incredible...forget the 20 years in between...everyone just seems to pick it up right where they left off years ago.



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