T he P lanchet- I . C. C. NOVEMBERBER 2018

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A.N.A. C-131170 - I.S.N.A. LM 243 - C.S.N.S. L-600

Established 1939 and celebrating over 75 years of service
to the coin collector.

The next meeting will be M onday, November 19th, 2018
Meetings of the Indianapolis Coin Club are held the third Monday of each month at
the Northside Knights of Columbus 2100 E. 71st Street in Indianapolis, Indiana.
The Meetings consist of a business session, educational program, an intermission, and anumismatic auction.
Doors open at 6:00pm, meeting will begin at 7:00pm.
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A Few Words From Your Pr esident
There is a questionnaire in this month's Planchet for you to fill out. There is no obligation to do so,
but your feedback is very important to the Club. Please consider filling it out before coming to themeeting and handing it in at that time. There will also be ample numbers of questionnaires at themeeting if you forget it or cannot print it out at home. Thanks in advance for your participation.
Our November meeting will be your last chance to volunteer to sit at the ICC table on December 14
and 15 at the ISNA show to promote the Club. Last month we actually lost ground because
someone had a conflict for his signup date. PLEASE consider sitting at our table for at least an hour.
This is a fantastic way to tell attendees about our Club and to meet new people as well. Join me insigning up for an hour or two.
As was mentioned at last month's meeting, if you would like to volunteer to help with the youth
auction at the ISNA show or donate material for the auction, please see Gary Connor for details.
Mark Eberhardt will be giving his "State of the Hobby" talk at tonight's meeting. This is a favorite forour members because Mark gives his opinion on the numismatic marketplace, what's hot andwhat's not, and where things may be headed in the coming year.
Don't forget that we will not have a regular meeting next month. Our annual Holiday Banquet willtake place on Tuesday, December 4, at the Castleton MCL Cafeteria at 6 p.m. Our popular giftexchange will take place following the meal, where members can bring a wrapped numismatic giftof up to $20 in value to be entered into the drawing for and possibly stolen by one of the next
people down the line. It is fun, so if you have not participated in the past, please join us. As always,
spouses and significant others are welcome.
We will be voting for our 2019 ICC Board of Directors at tonight's meeting. The list of Officers is thesame as presented by Vinton Dove at our October meeting. Changes on the list from 2018 include
Andy Nahrwold assuming the position of Vice-President, moving from the 2017-18 Director 's term
(which was filled by him due to the passing of Bob Betcher); Donn Wray and Jeff Bercovitz rolled
over from the 2017-18 Directors term to the 2019-20 term, and Steve Howery moves from Vice
President to the 2019-20 Directors term.
VP Steve Howery and I visited the Muncie Coin and Stamp Club last Tuesday. We will be sharing a
few thoughts about that meeting and how it compares with our ICC meetings.
I look forward to seeing you at tonight's meeting, and please bring someone along that may beinterested in coins, paper money, and anything else related to numismatics!

JimSukup,President
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INDIANAPOLISCOINCLUBEDUCATIONALPROGRAM
This month?s Educational Program will be:'Annual State of the Hobby
Addr ess'by
M ark Eberhardt
Next Month?s Meeting Date & Program:
There is no meeting in December, However ourannual holicay banquet will be held at the MCL
Restaurant on the corner of 86th and Allisonville
Road.

Tuesday December 4th
6:00 p.m.

As hopefully all of our members know, the ICC has a library that is free to use for it's members. I am
sending a copy of the current list of available books with each issue. Jim Sukup usually brings a few
books each month but we want to make sure that everyone is aware of the books that are available.
Email Jim prior to the meeting and he will bring your selection if it is available.

jsukup@rpiratings.com

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Box Th aler s By Christopher Bower
Today I wanted to share a new acquisition that I am excited about. Box thalers are apart of numismatic history that is rarely discussed any more. Being a collector ofGerman States coins they have always been on my radar as something that I wanted
to pick up when I had the opportunity. A recent Heritage auction had 3 examples ofwhich I was able to obtain 1 of them. This piece is actually a 1686 Austrian piece andit still has it?s inserts.
There were many new large silver coins issued in the sixteenth century, and they
could easily be regarded as decorative pieces, thalers especially. Many still survive
showing signs of having been gilded and/or mounted for wear. Some were also
turned into what became known as schraubthalers (or box thalers) which became
fashionable toys in seventeenth-century Germany. Augsburg was a particular centerof their manufacture.

To make a schraubthaler, a thaler or pair of thalers was cut in half along the edge
and hollowed out, with a groove added so that the two halves could be screwed
together. One could place small pictures inside: religious symbols, portraits, or otherminiature pictures were common (including pornography).
The inserts in this picture were intended to be a type of game or amusement. There
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are 5 overlays made on a thin transparent material. When put on top of the pictureon the right you could make the maiden appear to have different clothes on.
Eventually, box thalers were made at the mint using genuine coinage dies. The Hall
mint in Tyrol was a particular center of these items.
There is no way for me to tell if my example is a mint produce piece or a privately
made one. Aside from the modifications to make the ?box? it is in remarkablecondition. The collector in me is a little disappointed that we lost 2 coins to futurecollectors to create this item but the history of the item outweighs this feeling. At
some point this was probably a value keepsake for a family in the 17th and 18th
centuries. I picture a gentleman carrying this in pocket to use as entertainment
when his young daughter was getting restless.
Box Thalers tend to sell for higher than their host coins value. Many of them show
signs of significant handling for obvious reasons.

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November 2018 Auction Lotsfor 11/19/2018
Description

Grade

Additional Notes

Starting Price1984 Proof Set

3.00

1985 Proof Set

3.00

1986 Proof Set

3.00

1987 Proof Set

3.00

1989 Proof Set

3.00

1990 Proof Set

3.00

1991 Proof Set

3.00

1992 Proof Set

3.00

1993 Proof Set

3.00

1999 Proof Set

3.00

2000 Proof Set

3.00

2001 Proof Set

3.00

2002 Proof Set

3.00$100 1963A Chicago

VF

105.00$50 1963A Chicago

VF

55.00

$50 1969 Chicago

UNC

55.00

$20 2013 San Francisco

Gem UNC

Serial 77777218

23.00$10 1934B

PCGS VF 25

Silver Certificate

125.00Netherlands 1961 2-1/2 Gulden

XF

Silver .720 - .3742oz

5.00

Spain 1966 100 Pesetas

XF

Silver .800 - .4887oz

5.00

1863 Columbus, OH Store CardVF

St. Martin Eating House

10.00

Masonic Token

UNC

Struck on 1979 1C

3.00

1854 Seated 50C

Really Bad

3.00

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PLEASE try to have correct change, or at least use
smaller bills, to pay for auction items that you win.
Especially troublesome are $50's and $100's whichquickly drain the change that is available. That change ispersonal money, and it will be greatly appreciated by thechanger and auction assistants to make giving changeeasier and more efficient.

Trivia:Franklin Half Dollars were produced for how
many years?
Answer is at the bottom of the treasurer 's report.

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Ju ly 16, 2018 - M in u t es of t h e In dian apolis Coin Clu b M eet in g.
Open ? Vice President, Steve Howery, called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM. 34
people were present. We met at the Knights of Columbus Hall, 2100 East 71st Street.
The door prize was a 1936- donated by Joe Boling.
The Secr et ar y ?s r epor t and the Tr easu r er ?s r epor t for June were approved as
published in the Planchet.
Visit or s ? Visitors included Fabrizio Raponi and Jim Julien.
Com m it t ee r epor t s ? None.
Old Bu sin ess ? Steve said he bought a set of WWI medals made in Great Brittain, andJoe Boling found a medal he wanted, but had to buy the whole set just to get the one
medal.
New Bu sin ess ? None. Kills! Joe Boling received a Polish counterfeit note from afriend, for free. He was very happy to get it! Steve said his wife got a whole roll of
wheat cents at her work. Jerry C said that he got another Star Note in CU condition.
Jeff Bercovitz found some coin related articles published in the Indianapolis Star
newspaper in the 1970?s. The articles were authored by Jim Buck, a long-time memberof the ICC.
Th e Edu cat ion al Pr ogr am ??The Program was ?US Twenty Twenty-Cent Pieces?
presented by Paul Vaughn. The program was informative and excellent!.
After the Br eak , the At t en dan ce Dr aw in g (Door Prize) and the 50/ 50 Drawing wereheld.
Au ct ion ?Joe Boling ran the auction. Assisting were Sharon Bower, Donn Wray, Jim
Sukup, Chris Bower and Vinton Dove.
The meeting was Adjou r n ed around 9:00 PM. The next meeting will be August 18..
Respectfully submitted,
Vinton Dove, Secretary

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Oct ober 15, 2018 - M in u t es of t h e In dian apolis Coin Clu b M eet in g.
Open ? President, Jim Sukup, called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM. 34 people were
present. We met at the Knights of Columbus Hall, 2100 East 71st Street. The door
prize was an 1893 Columbiean Exposition Half Dollar donated by Steve Howery.
The Secr et ar y ?s r epor t for August was approved as published in the Planchet. The
Tr easu r er 's Repor t was not available in time to be published.
Visit or s ? None.
Com m it t ee r epor t s ? New
Old Bu sin ess ? None.
New Bu sin ess ? Nominations for ICC Officers and Board members are in. Andy
Nahrwold is nominated for Vice-President, and Steve Howery is nominated to movefrom VP to a Board member for 2019-2020. Don Wray and Jeff Bercovitz will bemembers fot eh 2019-2020 term. We are soliciting speakers for the 2019. We would
like to have the first 3 months ASAP so they can be in the Special Edition of the
Planchet. Reminder, a sign up sheet is available for members to work the ICC Table atthe ISNA show. Dates are December 14th and 15th. Gary Conner is doing the youth
auction at the ISNA. Please see Gary if you want to volunteer to help or have items todonate. Kills! Mark Eberhardt found a silver Roosevelt dime in circulation. Joe Bolingbrought in a counterfiet $50 note from Australia. It was a note that should be printed
on polymer but was printed on paper. It did not exactly replicate the original
because minor design changes had been made on genuine notes that he copied onto
the 1998-dated note. Another member found a 1920 Buffalo nickel. Don Wray boughta Glasgow, Scotland store token, circa 1850-60, for $15.00.
Th e Edu cat ion al Pr ogr am ?The Program was "Confederate Currency, Bonds and Civil
War Tokens" by Harvey Warner. Everyone seemed to enjoy this entertaining
presentation.
After the Br eak , the At t en dan ce Dr aw in g (Door Pr ize) and the 50/ 50 Dr aw in g wereheld.
Au ct ion ?Joe Boling ran the auction. There were about 50 auction lots covering a wide
variety of collecting interests. Assisting were Sharon Bower, Donn Wray, Jim Sukup,
Chris Bower and Vinton Dove.
The meeting was Adjou r n ed at 8:48 PM. The next meeting will be October 14.
Respectfully submitted,
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In dian apolis Coin Clu b
2018 M eet in g Dat es & Edu cat ion al Pr ogr am s
January 15, 2018 - ?Military Challenge Coins?- by Sharon Bower* Prize sponsor: Chris Bower
February 19, 2018 - ?Coins are Where You Find Them ? - by Jim Sukup* Prize sponsor: Jim Sukup
March 19, 2018 - ?Mexican Silver Libertads, Treasure Coin of Mexico?- by Michael White* Prize sponsor: Michael White
April 16, 2018 - 'Obscure Foreign Coins' - by Paul Griffin* Prize sponsor: Paul Griffin
May 21, 2018 - 'Von NotHaus Liberty Dollars' - by Gerald Coraz* Prize sponsor: Gerald Coraz
June 18, 2018 - 'Silver Legend' - by Donn Wray
* Prize sponsor: Donn Wray
July 16, 2018 - 'America's Ugly Duckling Coin' - by Paul Vaughn* Prize sponsor: T. B. A.
August 20, 2018 - 'Banknotes at Twenty Power ' - by Joseph E. Boling* Prize sponsor: Joseph E. Boling
September 17, 2018 - Exhibit Night* Prize sponsor: I. C. C.
October 15, 2018 -T. B. A. - by Harvey Warner* Prize sponsor: T. B. A.
November 11, 2018 - ?Annual State of the Hobby Address?-by Mark Eberhardt* Prize sponsor: Mark Eberhardt
Tuesday, December 4, 2018 ? NO MEETING - I.C.C. Holiday Banquet* For 2018 we are continuing the 'Attendance Prize' drawing at each monthly meeting as an added incentive
for all I.C.C. members to attend as many meetings as possible and to encourage new membership. Everyone
attending each regular monthly meeting will receive a prize ticket when they arrive at the meeting and sign inat the greeting table. The prize each month will be a 90% silver U.S. Half Dollar (or equivalent or greater 90%
silver content coin) The I.C.C. Board members and officers as well as several I.C.C. members chose to act as
sponsors and donate the monthly prizes rather than funding them from our budget. You'll find the monthly
prize sponsor listed below each monthly meeting date above. You'll just have to show up to see what you may
win!
Please keep this in mind each month; regardless of who is giving the monthly program and/or the topic, we owe it tothat person and the membership to remain quiet and pay attention during the program. It?s important that we
respect the knowledge that is being shared with us as well as the time and effort the speaker is donating to our club.
The same rules should apply to our monthly auctions; please remain quiet and pay attention. Thank you.

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Tr easu r er ?s Repor t 2018
RECEIPTS:
Dues - Regular @ $20.00 ea.
Dues - Junior @ $5.00 ea.
Advertising - Planchet @ $35.00 ea.
Advertising - Special Edition
Fifty/Fifty Drawing:
Donations / Auction Lot Sales:
ICC Library Book Sold (est):
Auction Lots Sheets @ $1.00 per Sheet:
Newsletter Postage Fee:

Sept em ber

Oct ober$41.00$45.00
$3.00

$5.00

$13.00$46.00$61.00DISBURSEMENTS:
Dues - ANA:
Insurance - Liability:
Insurance - Treasurer 's Bond:
Mail Box Rental:
Secretary/Treasurer - Postage:
K of C Meeting Room Rent:
Door Prizes (11 Months)
Exhibitors Nights Prizes:
Library Purchases:
Website MaintenanceNewsletter:- Printing/Supplies:- Postage:

Sept em ber

Oct ober$100.00$100.00

TOTAL DISBURSEMENTS:$350.00$100.00

NET INFLOW / OUTFLOW:-$304.00$39.00ICC CHECKBOOK:
Balance:

Sept em ber$3580.98

Oct ober$3541.98

Sale of Medals
TOTAL RECEIPTS:$250.00

Trivia Answer: 16 years; 1948 through 1963
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Th e 2018 In dian apolis Coin Clu b
Of f icer s an d Boar d M em ber s:
President
Jim Sukup
Vice-President
Steve Howery
Secretary
Vinton Dove
TreasurerMark Eberhardt
Newsletter Editor
Christopher Bower
Past President
Michael White
Sgt-at-Arms
Jim Warden
Board Member 2018-2019
Gerald Coraz
Board Member 2018-2019
Paul Vaughn
Board Member 2018-2019
Jim Roehrdanz
Board Member 2017-2018
Donn Wray
Board Member 2017-2018
Jeff Bercovitz
Board Member 2017-2018
Andy Nahrwold

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