MINUTES OF THE 16TH INTERNATIONAL MEETING
August 26, 1982
List of Attendants
M. Mikheev
V. Klyuev
L. Heard
V. Gerasimov
T. Goldfinch
J. ColeO. Ganglbauer
G. Aufricht
P. De Meester
A. Skordev
S. Brisighello
G. Shewchuk
J. Zirnhelt
C.F. Ying
L. Cizek
J. Obraz
S. LundK. Rimmer
J. Sillanpaa
B. Vieillard-Baron
H. J. Kopineck
W. Bock
W. Morgner
R. RetiT. Konkoly
O. Singhania
G. Colombi
G. Nardoni
N. Niwa
S. Saito
G. Van Dijk
A. Jensen
Z. Pawlowski
J. MottlJ. Villate
B. Holmgren
R. Sharpe
A. Bond
J. AmanB. Risinger
A. Sirco

USSR, President
USSR, Vice-President
Australia, Vice-President
USSR, Vice-President
Australia
Australia
Austria
Austria
Belgium
Bulgaria
BrazilCanadaCanadaChinese People’s RepublicCzechoslovakia
Czechoslovakia
Denmark
Denmark
FinlandFranceFRG
FRG
GDR
Hungary
Hungary
India
Italy
Italy
Japan
Japan
Netherlands
NorwayPolandPolandSpain
SwedenUnited Kingdom
United Kingdom
USAUSA
Yugoslavia

83Mr. Klyuev opened the meeting and conveyed the greetings of Mr.
Mikheev, ICNDT President, to the participants and asked permission to presidethe meeting, which was accepted.
The participants honoured the memory of the late ICNDT members: Dr.
Bobbing (USA) and Prof. Bastien (France)
1. Approval of the Minutes of the 15th International Meeting
Messrs. Ying and Konkoly asked to correct the spelling of their names.
Mr. Jensen underlined the united character of the training documents fromthe Scandinavian countries and asked to mark this in item 8 of the Minutes.
Mr. Singhania speaking on item 6, said he had not meant the USA but
only expressed a desire that countries, organizers of future conferences, should
try to make reasonable the expensed of the participants.
Mr. Villate asked to introduce the Minutes that the 4th National NDTCongress would be held in Spain in September 1982.
Mr. Sharpe proposed that National NDT training standards be approved.
Mr. Reti asked to include in item 8 of the Minutes the text of his speech,
which he would submit to the Secretariat.
Mr. Klyuev apologized for inaccuracies in the Minutes of the 15th Meeting.
The Minutes of the15th ICNDT Meeting were adopted in view of theamendments made.
2. Place and date of Future Conferences
Mr. Singhania said that India would like to host the 12th Conference. He
stressed noticeable progress in the field of NDT in India. He also assured thatthe participants would be provided adequate conditions.
Mr. Niwa made an offer for holding the 12th Conference in Japan.
Mr. Van Dijk spoke for holding the 12th Conference in the Netherlands.
Miss Brisighello said that the objectives of the ICNDT are to assist thedeveloping countries. She added also that Brazil would like to host the 13thWCNDT. The official invitation will be presented to ICNDT in 1985 in the USA.
Mr. Colombi pointed out that the objectives of the WCNDT are also inestablishing close contacts and promoting friendship. He stated thatConferences should be held on all the continents and in all countries andsupports the Japanese offer.
The following vote on which country in principle should host the 12th
WCNDT was taken by a show of hands:
The Netherlands: 11 votes
Japan:
5 votesIndia
5 votes
Mr. Singhania asked the delegates to change their opinions and let India
host the next conference.
Mrs. Brisighello supports India’s offer in case Brazil is not chosen.

84Mr. Kopineck said that the place and date of the 12th WCNDT would be
finally fixed at the next ICNDT meeting in 1985 and asked the candidate
countries for additional materials on the subject. The proposal was adopted.
Mr. Klyuev asked the delegates to consider the time period between future
conferences.
Messrs. Kopineck and Pawlowski spoke for WCNDT being held once inthree years, while Messrs. Aman, Sharpe and Klyuev for once in four years.
The Committee decided to return to this question at the 17th ICNDTMeeting.
3. ISO TC-135 Activities
The Chairman of ISO TC-135, Professor Klyuev (USSR) made a report on
ISO TC-135 activities.
Mr. Shordew asked to correct the mistake in Supplement I to the report,
since Bulgaria is a P-member.
The Committee approved of ISO TC-135 activities and asked themembers of the Committee to assist in creating international standards on
nondestructive testing.
4. Future Activities of the International Committee
Mr. Klyuev said that the ICNDT members were acquainted with thedocuments drafted by Mr. Mikheev.
Messrs. Sharpe, De Meester, and Nardoni approved of the document.
Mr. De Meester proposed that a Working Group be formed to preparematerials for publication in the international journal.
Mr. Nardoni was of the opinion that the European Conference in Firenze
might be of help in promoting the objectives and invited the member countries tosubmit materials for session reports.
The Committee noted the information.
The Committee considers it advisable to concentrate its future activities on
coordinating the following questions (Appendix 2): the objectives shall be to :a) work out an all round international standardization program in the fieldof non-destructive methods and facilities;b) work out programs on training and certification of NDT personnel;c) create a single reference date bank;d) create a single international catalogue of NDT facilities;e) work out an all round international program on NDT metrologicalmaintenance.
5. Considerations of the International Committee Reference Book
The 10th World Conference organizing Committee with a kind assistanceof Mr. Heard (Australia), Mr. De Meester (Belgium), Mr. Havercroft (Canada), Mr.
Sharpe (Great Britain), Mr. Pawlowski (Poland), Mr. Bock (Federal Republic of85

Germany) and all those who helped them, prepared the first wording of theInternational Committee Reference book.
Mr. De Meester said that Belgium could prepare the documents for thefirst ICNDT Meeting and distribute them among its members.
Messrs. Pawlowski and Kopineck asked the ICNDT members, present at
the first meeting to share their experiences.
Mr. Aman spoke for adding some extra items from the terms ofReferences to the Handbook, supplying it also with the information on theprocedure of ICNDT meetings.
Mr. Sharpe thinks that some photos should be added to make theHandbook more vivid.
Mr. Shewchuk said that he had attended all the meetings and could assist
in improving the Handbook.
Mr. Pawlowski advised that he would address the President at the 2ndConference asking him to share his experiences.
Mr. Konkoly on behalf of the participants thanked the editors for the firstversion of the Handbook.
The Committee approved in principle the first wording of the Handbook
and asked its members to assist the Committee Secretariat in supplementing andmaking more exact the collected materials.
6. Considerations on the NDT Information Sources, NDT Research Activity
Mr. Klyuev thanked Mr. Sharpe for the materials submitted.
Mr. Sharpe spoke for shorter periods in receiving information, particularlyfor considering the possibilities of obtaining documents from national committees.
He said he would be glad to receive it.
Mr. Nardoni informed that in Italy research groups and centres forcollecting information on control methods and facilities were operating.
The Committee approved of the activities and recommended to go on withthem.
7. Training and Certification of NDT personnel
Mr. Kopineck reported on the meetings of the Working Group between the15th and 16th ICNDT Meetings and the proposals submitted. The Working Group
proposed that the training and certification requirements for ultrasonic inspection
be approved.
Mr. De Meester will present the documents on radiographic inspection tothe ICNDT members.
Mr. Kopineck stressed that the Working Group asked the ICNDT to
support the bi-lateral training agreements and recommend their drawing up
following the existing pattern.
Mr. Reti suggested that the materials on ultrasonic inspection bepublished in five languages, Hungarian included.

86Mr. Bond advised that a certification NDT Council was formed in theUnited Kingdom and that the country had established cooperation in this fieldwith the Scandinavian states and Canada.
Mr. Shewchuk said that there was a certification NDT Council in Canada
but it didn’t cooperate with the national Canadian NDT society.
Mr. Morgner informed that the GDR adopted a national certification
standard, reflecting all the requirements and training programs on ultrasonic,radiographic, and magnetic inspection of surface defects. The appropriate report
was published in the 10th WCNDT proceedings.
Mr. Colombi advised that Mr. Kopineck’s activities were helpful to all
countries and could be presented for consideration to the official authorities. Thismight coordinate national training systems.
Mr. Villate said that the Spanish system resembled that of the U.S. Spain
does not possess an independent body for 3 level certification, therefore theresponsibility rests with the companies and the country cannot entrust any
independent body with NDT certification.
The Committee asks Mr. Kopineck to head the training Working Groupand to report its activities at the next meeting.
Prof. Gerasimov will participate in the Working Group.
8. Agenda for the 17th Meeting
Agenda for the 17th Meeting was adopted without amendments.
9. Honourary Diplomas
Mr. Klyuev welcomed Doctor Leslie Mullins (Great Britain), retired memberof the Committee, who had been active throughout several conference periods inpromoting the objectives of the Committee, and presented him with an Honourary
Diploma with the following text:“ To Mr. Leslie Mullins in recognition of his scientific services in the field ofnondestructive testing and active participation in the International
Committee activities.”
Mr. Sharpe read Prof. Mullins’ letter of thanks.
Mr. De Meester proposed that the Committee honour Messrs. Kopineck,Sharpe, Pawlowski and Mikheev at the 11th WCNDT.
A letter from Canada was received proposing to honour Mr. Havercroft.
Prof. Pawlowski in his letter proposed to honour Prof. Mikheev.
In view of these proposals the Committee by the majority of votes
accepted Mr. Aman’s amendment to Clause 13 of the Terms of Reference withregard to honouring not only those retired, but also members contributing to theICNDT activities for a long period. The Committee unanimously agreed topresent Honourary Diplomas to Drs. Havercroft, Kopineck, Sharpe, Pawlowski,
and Mikheev at the 11th WCNDT.
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Mr. Goldfinch informed that the 4th Pan-Pacific Conference will be held onNovember 15, 1983 in Sydney.
Miss Brisighello invited the participants to take part in the South American
Conference planned for October-November 1982 in Rio de Janeiro.
Mr. Kopineck extended the invitation to West Berlin.
Mr. Pawlowski said that on August 22, 1982, Austria and Poland signed abi-lateral agreement on common principles of personnel training andcertifications which would come to power starting from November 1983.
Mr. Singhania is of the opinion that the ICNDT should encourage
conferences in the developing countries.
11. Commentaries of the 10th International Conference on Nondestructive
Testing
The members of the Committee congratulated the Soviet Organizing
Committee on the successful conduct of the 10th Conference and thanked themfor the energetic assistance rendered to the Committee’s Secretariat for the last
three years.
Mr. Klyuev thanked all the ICNDT members for the work done.
The agenda was exhausted, the Meeting closed at 17:00 hours.

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