Minutes of the 33rd ICNDT GENERAL ASSEMBLY MEETING
Monday, 27 October 2008

Shanghai, China
1.

Welcome
Douglas Marshall (DM) opened the meeting and thanked all for their continued
participation throughout the duration of the Conference.

2.

Roll call
The full list of attendees follows:
Attendance List
Tony Sonneveld
David Barnett
Shane Flynn
John Maccarone
Gerhard Aufricht
Günter Balas
Nikolai Migoun
Joao Antonio Conte
Bojana Talakova
Douglas MarshallJohn Zirnhelt
Rong Geng
Vjera Krstelj
Juha Sillanpää
Jo Bernardi
Mathias Purschke
Juha Koehn
Friederike PohlmannRainer Link
Peter Trampus
Samir K Choksi
V PariB Venkatraman
Dilip Takbate
Baldev Raj
Farhang Honarvar
Yossi Shoef
Giuseppe Nardoni
Gian Maria Gatti
Antonello Porco

AUSTRALIA
AUSTRALIA
AUSTRALIA
AUSTRALIA
AUSTRIA
AUSTRIA
BELARUSBRAZIL
BULGARIA
CANADACANADA
CHINA
CROATIAFINLANDFRANCEGERMANYGERMANYGERMANYGERMANYHUNGARY
INDIA
INDIA
INDIA
INDIA
INDIA
IRAN
ISRAEL
ITALY
ITALY
ITALY

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ChairmanVoting Member
Voting Member (WCNDT Chairman)
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Mitsuaki Katoh
JAPANHajime Hatano
JAPANTakeo Tsuchiya
JAPANJohn K Chege
KENYA
Oh-Yang Kwon
KOREA
Younho Cho
KOREA
Yeo YanTeng
MALAYSIA
Zimaluddin Ali
MALAYSIA
Khazali Zin
MALAYSIA
Alfonso Gaveia Cueto MEXICOB Soverati
MOROCCOLeslie Dick
NEW ZEALAND
Frode Hermansen
NORWAY
Rafat MiPOLAND
Vladimir Klyuev
RUSSIA
Janez GrumSLOVENIA
Manfred Johannes
SOUTH AFRICA
Emilio Romero
SPAIN
Jesus Sorrano
SPAIN
Hamid Suliman
SUDAN
Shyr-Liang Chu
TAIWANC Hakan Gür
TURKEY
Férid Herelli
TUNISIA
Roger Lyon
UNITED KINGDOM
Mike Farley
UNITED KINGDOMJohn Thompson
UNITED KINGDOM
Matt Gallagher
UNITED KINGDOMDavid Gilbert
UNITED KINGDOM
Wayne Holliday
USA
Ricky L MorganUSA
Jocelyn Langlois
USA
Victor Harnandez
USA
Michael Turnbow
USA
Carlos Gonzalez
VENEZUELA3.

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Non-Voting Member (ISOTC135 rep)
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General Secretary
Non-Voting Member (WG1 Chairman)
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Minute Secretary
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Procedures for voting, quorum
The General Secretary reminded members of the procedure for voting. Onevoting delegate is permitted per member society. 33% of membership wasrequired for quorum and only 1 proxy was permitted per member country
present. A simple majority was required.
(Note: changes to Constitution/Terms of Reference require 6 months noticeand positive vote of two-thirds of those present).
There were at least 32 voting delegates present hence a quorum wasachieved.
There was one proxy: Czech Republic.

4.

Report by membership WG
Tony Sonneveld (TS) confirmed that the following:Lithuania
Serbia2Sudan
LebanonPhilippines
Turkeywere ratified as full members of ICNDT as all the relevant criteria had beenmet.
TS welcomed J Conte (JC) to the chair of the Membership Committee.
Finally the Chairman noted that it was TS’s last meeting as Chair of theMembership Committee and thanked him for all his efforts over the years.

5.

Election of Officers
DM announced that with regard to nominations the correct procedures had
been followed, responses had been reviewed by the Executive Committee andthe PGP and voting would take place according to the rules.
The nominations for ICNDT officers were as follows:
Chairman: M J Farley (prop. DM; sec. Gerard Aufricht (GA) andWayne Holliday (WH)
General Secretary: D Barnett (prop. DM; sec Roger Lyon (RFL)World Conference President: M Johannes
Secretariat: The British Institute of NDT (prop. GA; sec. DM)
Society to hold fund: The Austrian Society for NDT (prop. DM;
sec. Mike Farley (JMF)
Members appointed to PGP: M Purschke (prop. GA, sec. RFL), W Holliday(prop. DM, sec. BINDT).
Regional Representatives (nominated by Regional Groups):
V Krstelj, E Romero (Europe)
W Holliday, J Conte (Pan American)
L Dick, M Ooka (Asia Pacific)
F Herelli, K Danso (Africa)
Treasurer: G Aufricht
Trustee of ICNDT funds: M Purschke (prop. RFL; sec. DM)
Chairman of the Membership WG: J Conte (prop. DM)
All the nominations were unanimously elected to be ICNDT Officers effective
the end of the meeting.
Although the announcement had already been made, the Chairman also
wished to congratulate the two new Honorary Members:
R LinkT Sonneveld
All appointments were unanimously approved and congratulated.

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6.

World Conferences
6.1 Report on 17th WCNDTDr Rong Geng (RG) presented up-to-date statistics concerning the conference,noting that the schedule change had resulted in cancellations and fewer
attendees than originally anticipated.
Registered delegates to end 25 Sept: 697
of which overseas delegates – 479, local 218
Exhibitors – 202, comprising 124 foreign; 28 local
On an encouraging note there had been more than 3000 visitors to theexhibition on the first day.
He elaborated on certain mitigating factors in the reduced attendance, including
the devaluation of the US$ against the Chinese Yuan currency; the highnumber of complimentary registrations (c. 200); and the financial crisis
currently being experienced around the world.
He stated that the Chinese Society understood the financial challenge faced by
ICNDT and would try its best to make a substantial donation. The full financial
report would be issued soon after the conference.
6.2 Report on 18thWCNDTManfred Johannes (MJ) referred to his presentation at the previous meeting,and also to the website:www.saint.co.za
for further information.
He confirmed the dates:
21-24 April 2012.
DM congratulated MJ on the progress achieved to date.
6.3 Election of host for 19th WCNDTThe President of the Indian Society for NDT read out a statement on behalf ofthe Society. It stated that the ISNDT had had a long and close relationship with
the German Society for NDT over more than 20 years. As there had been noWCNDT in Germany for more than 40 years the Indian Society had decided towithdraw its bid and support the bid of Germany instead. ISNDT thus proposedthat Germany be awarded the 19th WCNDT.
The ICNDT Chairman thanked ISNDT understanding and co-operation. He feltthat their decision contributed to the betterment of the organisation.
Mathias Purschke (MP) of the German Society thanked the Indian Society forgiving them the opportunity to organise a WCNDT and for putting their trust in
DGZfP.
The meeting approved the appointment of the German Society (DGZfP) toorganise the 19th World Conference in 2016.
A general discussion followed concerning world conferences.

4DM stated that he felt a measure of success is that when people leave theconference they feel they have got value for money. The World Conferencewas a platform to transfer knowledge, network and meet friends old and new.
He believed the Chinese Society had accomplished this and he was joined by
the full meeting in congratulating the Chinese Society on a successfulconference.
DM presented a gift to CHSNDT on behalf of the Canadian Society.
TS presented a gift to CHSNDT on behalf of the Australian Society.
6.4 Awards
The awards for the best booths were presented in the following categories:(i) countries with <50m inhabitants – Ukraine Society for NDT(ii) countries with >50m inhabitants but <100m – German Society for NDT(iii) countries with >100m inhabitants –Chinese Society for NDT
7.

WG3 Research and Education
Dr Baldev Raj (BR) referred to his presentation made at the previous meeting.

8.

Strategic Planning of ICNDT Activities
JMF outlined the approach:
SWOT analysis
Gap analysis
Strategies
Actions
Tasks for new Executive Committee
JMF said that he had conducted some research and had drafted some broadheadings. He requested feedback.
(a) WG1 Certification
A workshop had taken place that morning that had been very constructive andfurther suggestions had been invited.
The Malaysian representative said that much had been achieved considering
the large number of differences there were from all over the world. A great dealof effort was still required, and time was against us.
Giuseppe Nardoni (GN) referred to the subject of minimum requirements andre-iterated that work needed to be done quickly. There were people alreadyoperating in the field and there was little information for them to go on.
He emphasised the need for collaboration and stated that ICNDT needs topublish documents like the ICNDT Guidelines.
(b) WG3
There was a need for an action plan based on BR’s presentation.
DM raised the issue of the possibility of dividing the group into one covering
education and one on research.
(c) World Conferences
ICNDT should consider how these could be improved.
RFL stated that no procedure exists at present and if there was this could bevery useful. Leslie Dick (LD) concurred. Rainer Link (RL) added that this would
be the case especially if the budget was covered.

5DM stated that the Canadian Society had produced a document but that thiswas not part of the ICNDT procedures. MJ confirmed that they had received
useful data from CINDE.
GN called on the authorities to comment on how industry should beapproached for support.
B Venkatraman (BV) thought that special sessions, for example the land mines
one in Montreal and the art one in Rome, were useful attractions. He also
believed that there was a large number of people who were only interested in
the exhibition and perhaps there could be a new category of delegate who only
visited the exhibition and social/cultural events – all events except the technicalsessions.
RFL stated that the method of host selection should be reviewed. Putting
together a bid is expensive and perhaps an initial filtering could be used toselect a shortlist of only two to bid in full.
DM suggested an ad-hoc committee should be formed to consider all thesuggestions.
Yeo Yanteng (YY) pointed out that any additional profit earned by the World
Conference was to the benefit of NDT in general.
Rainer Link (RL) suggested that funds should be allocated to attract younger
people to attend.
Yeo Yanteng (YY) suggested a nominal rate for students.
JMF mentioned that a meeting had been arranged with the exhibitors to gettheir feedback.
Everyone was encouraged to send in their ideas and suggestions to thesecretariat, on this topic and others, for example:
What would you like ICNDT to do?
All suggestions would be considered in due course.
9.

Reports by external organisations
11.1 ISO TC 135
Hajime Hatano (HH) presented his report.
Some discussion followed. J Zirnhelt (JZ) reminded all that TC135 wasestablished as a result of a 1967 meeting of ICNDT.
JMF reported on the relevant results of that morning’s certification workshop,where the differences between the three standards ISO 9712, EN 473 andCP 106 were identified and considered. He suggested a joint meeting between
ISO TC 135, 138 to discuss harmonisation of EN 473 and ISO 9712.
There followed a further discussion about the ICNDT Recommended
Guidelines for Qualification and Certification of NDT personnel, and inparticular section 7: Recommendations. In summary a set of recommendations
had been agreed upon, it was just necessary to get the English right.
The representatives of ISO TC 135 were thanked for their participation. Allactions would be pursued and it was clear that everyone involved would dotheir utmost to deliver results.

10.

Timetable of Meetings
PGP – 8 November 2009, Yokohama, Japan
GA – June 2010, Moscow
PGP – Mexico, with Pan American Conference
GA – South Africa, 20126

It had been proposed to hold an Executive Committee meeting at the ASNT
Spring Conference in St Louis, Missouri, USA, March 2009. Date to beconfirmed.
11.

Other business
The Chairman then thanked all for attendance.
M Farley proposed a vote of thanks especially to:
D Marshall for serving so well as Chairman for the last 4 years.
G Nardoni for serving so well as Chairman of PGP.
R LinkT Sonneveld
Rong GengS BondAnd he also thanked everyone for all the voluntary work carried out on behalf ofICNDT.
RL paid tribute to JMF for all the hard work he had carried out as General
Secretary; and he wished him all the best for the future.
TS thanked all for the support and GA in particular for his support andassistance over the period of his tenure of office.
GA himself acknowledged the support of DGZfP.
Finally, A Cueto presented a brief presentation on the 2011 ACPNDT to takeplace in Cancun, Mexico. Visit www.copaend5.com
The meeting closed at 16h00.

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