18th ICNDT MEETING MINUTES
November 7, 1985
President Widner (USA) called the 18th ICNDT Meeting to order at 1:40
pm.
1. List of Delegates
Juan N. Baez
Lyall S. Heard
O. Ganglbauer
Paul de Meester
Dieter HanrathRenhui Chen
Frantisek Mysak
Svend A. Lund
Elisabeth Samusch
Juha Sillanpaa
Bertrand Vieillard-Baron
Winfried Morgner
Roy Sharpe
Tibor Konkoly
Rajoo C. Bhatt
G. Colombi
Noboru Niwa
G.M. van Dijk
Arnfinn Jensen
Zdzislaw Pawlowski
Manfred Johannes
Lee Se-Kyung
Jesus Serrano
Jan Klasson
Fredy RohrVladimir Klyuev
William J. Kitson
Antun Fertilio

Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
CanadaChina, PPR
Czechoslovakia
Denmark
FRG
FinlandFranceGDRGreat Britain
HungaryIndia
ItalyJapan
Netherlands
NorwayPoland
South Africa
South Korea
Spain
SwedenSwitzerland
USSR
United States
Yugoslavia

2. General Secretary Risinger (USA) advised on the distribution of the 17th
ICNDT Meeting Minutes. The following items are corrections to these minutes:a) Page 2, item #6, Working Group Report, in second sentence: strike theword “certification” and replace with “Harmonization of qualification andtraining of NDT personnel.”b) Page 3, item #6, Working Group Report, sixth paragraph: placebrackets around the following: (basic requirements for national
personnel qualification and certification schemes)

95c) Page 4, item #6, Working Group Report, tenth paragraph: Add thismotion: “Motion by De Meester (Belgium), seconded by Mr. Hanrath(Canada), to adopt the four new minimum requirements and the final
version of the model agreement document be adopted in principle andfinal approval deferred until the 18th ICNDT Meeting.” Motion carried.
Secretary Risinger then advised of a change in the 16th meeting minutes.
Even though these minutes were approved at the 17th ICNDT meeting, it wasnecessary to make the change since the General Secretary had been advised ofthese changes in February 1983. Under item #7, Training and Certification of
NDT Personnel, page 65, last paragraph: “The Committee asks Professor
Kopineck to head the Training Working Group and to report on its activities atthe next meeting. The “Proposals on Certification and Harmonization to theICNDT” of the Working Group presented at this meeting are agreed upon.”
Proposals on Certification and Harmonization to the ICNDT
1. The ICNDT accepts the Minimum Requirements on Ultrasonic Testing.
2. Comments on the minimum requirements of radiation testing are requested tobe sent to the German Society of NDT until November 15th. No response will
be considered as agreement. (Professor De Meester then works out therevised draft and DGZfP will send it to the members of ICNDT.)
3. The ICNDT appoints a Working Group to prepare minimum requirements onother testing methods to be agreed upon by ICNDT by mail ballot. Thefollowing countries will work out the minimum requirements of magnetic
testing- GDR and Switzerland; of penetrant testing- France;of eddy current
testing- USSR and France. On leak testing, acoustic emission testing andinfrared testing, interested countries may think over minimum requirements.
4. Chairman of the Working Group will be Professor Kopineck (FRG) and Vice
Chairman will be L.Cizek (Czechoslovakia).
5. The ICNDT supports the principle of bilateral and multilateral recognition
agreements on training and qualification as an effective way of international
cooperation and harmonization.
6. The ICNDT recommends to take the present “Model Agreement on Mutual
Recognition of Training and Qualification of NDT Personnel” as a basis forfurther activity in this Working Group.
Having advised all on the corrections to the minutes, President Widner
called for a motion to accept:
MOTION: Arthur Bond (UK) moved to accept the minutes of the 17th
meeting. Roy Sharpe (UK) seconded the motion. Motion carried.
3. Honourary Award Presentations
President Widner presented Honourary Awards to R. Sharpe, Z.
Pawlowski, J. Kopineck, M. Mikheev (USSR-accepting for him was V. Klyuev),and W. Havercroft (Canada-absent). The inscription of the awards read: “In96recognition of your scientific services in the field of nondestructive testing andcontinued participation in the International Committee Activities.” Each recipient
was given a rousing ovation for his dedicated efforts.
4. Decision on Next WCNDT Site
MOTION: Lyle Heard (Australia) moved that the 12th WCNDT be held in
the Netherlands. Seconded by R. Sharpe. Discussion: Ms. Brisighello (Brazil)
advised of Abende’s support for the Netherlands. Mr. Singhania (India) advisedof his support. The motion carried unanimously. President Widner then turned
the meeting over to Mr. Van Dijk (Netherlands) for comments. Mr. VanDijk
covered several items for the future meeting as well as interesting information
about Amsterdam:a) He requests that all delegates continue sending newsletter information
for the continuation of this document by the Netherlands.
b) He advised that an intermediate report would be issued within the next
eighteen (18) months.
c) In his closing statement, he congratulated the 11th WCNDT organizing
committee for their excellent work.
Discussion: Professor Kopineck requested the proposed dates for the 12thWCNDT. Mr. Van Dijk proposed April 23-29, 1989.
MOTION: Mr. Van Dijk proposed the official date for the 12th WCNDT asApril 23-29, 1989 in Amsterdam. Seconded by W. Kitson (USA)Discussion: Professor Klyuev stated that he hopes that by accepting theApril 1989 date, that we are not adopting a four year time span. President
Widner explained Article 9.9.1 of the Terms of Reference where it clearly gives
flexibility for meeting times. Mr. Heard supported this comment. Mr. Nardoni(Italy) stated that he hoped that the Netherlands would engage NDT people as
the organizing committee rather than use a professional organization. Mr. Van
Dijk replied that the committee would be made up of NDT Society volunteers.
President Widner called for the vote. Motion carried unanimously.
5. Decision on Taiwan Membership
MOTION: Dr. Cheng (PRC) moved that the ICNDT cancel the discussionof Taiwan’s application for membership at this meeting. Seconded byPawlowski. Tally: 22 for, 0 against, 4 abstentions. President Widner will advise
the Taiwan delegation of the decision in writing.
6. Final Decision on the Harmonization Report
MOTION: Motion by Kopineck and seconded by Aufricht (Austria). Toadopt the four new minimum requirements for eddy current, magnetic particle,
liquid penetrant and leak testing. Tally: 25 for, 1 against, 1 abstention.

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MOTION: Kopineck moved to adopt the model agreement on mutual
recognition of qualification and certification schemes for NDT Personnel.
Seconded by T. Konkoly (Hungary). Tally: 22 for, 1 against, and 3 abstentions.
MOTION: Kopineck moved that the ICNDT recommends the submittal ofthe documents on international harmonization requirements (document ICNDT185) to the International Standards Organization as an international draft
standard. Seconded by W. Kitson. Tally: 27 for, 0 against, and 0 abstentions.
The new ICNDT Chairman (Netherlands) will communicate this document to theInternational Standards Organization. Mr. Van Dijk clarified that he would beresponsible for distributing this information to the International Standards
Organization and the ICNDT delegates .
MOTION: Motion by Kopineck to send the above mentioned documents toall INCDT members for distribution to all national bodies as a working paper andto support all national efforts for International Standards Organization. Secondedby De Meester. Tally: 24 for, 1 against, and 0 abstentions.
President Widner accepted the resignation of Professor Kopineck andthanked him for his diligent efforts as the chairman of the Working Group.
Professor Kopineck advised of a meeting with Mr. Sharpe, Mr. Nardoni,Professor De Meester, Mr. Aufricht, Professor Pawlowski and Mr. Wheeler (USA)and agreed and proposed that Professor Pawlowski be unanimously accepted as
the new chairman of the ICNDT Working Group. The ICNDT delegatesunanimously agreed and congratulations were extended to Professor Pawlowski.
Professor Kopineck gave his hearty thanks to all members of the Working Groupfor their dedicated work and thanked all for their efforts for the progress that has
been achieved thus far.
Discussion: Mr. Bosselaar (Netherlands) advised that the results of theparticipation is given by countries that are not fully involved (i.e. USA, USSR,Japan, etc.)
7. 13th WCNDT Site (in principle) and Future Proposals
President Widner called for proposals:a) Ms. Brisighello presented her proposal. Discussion: Mr. Nardoni feelsthat we should look at the entire continent not just the country, butdoes support Brazil for the 13th WCNDT.
b) Mr. Singhania presented his proposal.
c) Mr. Onoe (Japan) presented his proposal.
Professor Widner called for a “straw” vote (nonbinding vote)for the 13th WCNDT. Tally: Brazil-11; India-12; and Japan-3. Based on the low
number of votes for Japan, President Widner asked Japan to relinquish their
proposal. Mr. Onoe agreed to remove Japan’s proposal for the 13th WCNDT.
MOTION: Ms. Brisighello moved that the 13th WCNDT be held in Brazil.
Seconded by W. Kitson. Motion withdrawn.
MOTION: Professor De Meester proposed that both Brazil and India beapproved in principle to host the 13th and 14th WCNDT, so that both countries

98can present their proposal at the first meeting in the Netherlands. Following bothpresentations, a vote will be taken to determine who will host the 13th and who
will host the 14th WCNDT. Seconded by L. Heard. Tally: 24 for; 0 against; and 2abstentions. Motion carried.
8. Interval Between World Meetings
President Widner proposed that a committee (under the auspices of theNetherlands) be charged to review the Terms of Reference for current statedconflicts within Article 9.1 and 9.3 and provide same to the ICNDT Committee for
their action. The delegates approved this proposal.
9. Presentation of Past Presidents’ Pins
President Widner gave a heartwarming speech concerning his past threeyears’ involvement with ICNDT/WCNDT. He then presented an ICNDT Past
Presidents’ Pin to the Netherlands for presentation to the 12th Conference
President. Pins were then distributed to “living” Past Presidents of the ICNDT.
10. Old Business
None.
11. New Businessa) President Widner invited all ICNDT delegates to the Presidential Suite.
b) President Widner invited the ICNDT Honourary Award winners to say a
few words at the closing ceremonyc) Hanrath (Canada) extended an invitation to all delegates to attend their
reception at 5:30 p.m. He also advised of the Pan Pacific conference
April 7-10, 1987 in Vancouver and invited all to attend.
d) H. Bosselaar wants to insure that 1) the Working Group agrees on thetasks as defined by Professor Kopineck, and 2) review the actual
people who are working together on these tasks. Professor Pawlowski
responded by advising the following member countries had been
contacted, but invited all countries’ involvement:
Netherlands (van Dijk)
Japan (Niwa)
USA (Wheeler)
Europe (Colombi/Samusch)
USSR (Klyuev)
Latin America
CanadaMr. Sharpe requested clarification as to whether ICNDT still has
any responsibilities for actions, programs, dates, etc. of the other multinational
committees such as those set up in the European and Pan Pacific regions.

99President Widner put the question to floor. Mr. Nardoni stated that we should
continue working together (all committees) to be aware of all activity and informall countries. Mr. Aman (USA) referenced discussions in Florence. Aman
proposed that the new president (Netherlands) present a procedure to thedelegates for sanctioning other international meetings under the umbrella ofICNDT. Mr. Aman also suggested that the new ICNDT President may wish tohandle this action by mail ballot. Mr. Colombi (Italy) supports Mr. Aman’scomments/proposal. Mr. Sonneveld (Australia) inquired if the naming of Working
Group Committee members is Chairman Pawlowski’s responsibility. Pawlowski
responded affirmatively. Professor De Meester reaffirms that the ICNDT Working
Group is to prepare all documents and distribute to the ICNDT delegates for theirofficial vote. Mr. Sharpe inquired if Professor Kopineck was still the chairman ofthe European Working Group and if this working group continues. Professor
Kopineck responded that he had resigned from this (ECNDT) working group andthat it does exist with Professor Pawlowski as the chairman. Mr. Sharpe theninquired if we, in fact have two working groups. Professor De Meester reminded
Professor Kopineck that during the ECNDT meeting that the committee agreed
that there should only be one working group- the ICNDT working group. Mr. Van
Dijk concurred with Professor De Meester’s comments, thus discussion on thissubject was concluded.
e) Singhania proposed that conference guidelines be prepared for future
secretariats. President Widner advised that guidelines were in the Termsof Reference as well as in the official WCNDT documentation.
f) Nardoni suggested that, in the future, major ICNDT awards bepresented during the banquet (opening ceremony) so that all attendees
could view. President Widner responded that this 11th WCNDT waspresented in the style of the USA.
g) Secretary Risigner asked all delegates to make address corrections (ifneeded) prior to leaving the conference. She advised all delegates totake their name plates as a gift. The flags, banners, etc. will be sent tothe Netherlands for their use.
h) President Widner adjourned the meeting at 5:01 p.m.

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