14TH MEETING OF INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE
November 22, 1979

Heard, L.S.
Fifer, D.
Goldfinch, T.E.
De Meester, P.
Bowe, E.
Genevray, R.
Evrard, M.
Kopineck, H.J.
Schaper, H.
Stanger, C.H.
Sharpe, R.S.
Singhania, O.P.
Niwa, N.
Onoe, M.
Eering, J.
Drabble, J.
Whitehurst, J.D.
Walter, J.C.
Pawlowski, Z.
Mottl, J.
Holmgren, B.
Mikheev, M.N.
Kljuev, V.V.
Kitson, W.J.
Bobbin, J.
Fertilio, A.
Bozicek, Mrs. B.

Australia, President
Australia
Australia
Belgium
CanadaFranceFrance
Germany
Germany
Great Britain
Great Britain
India
JapanJapan
Netherlands
New Zealand
New Zealand
NorwayPolandPolandSwedenU.S.S.R
U.S.S.R
U.S.A
U.S.A
Yugoslavia
Yugoslavia(Prof. Kopineck exercised Austria’s vote)
2.Approval of the Minutes of the 13th Meeting held in Melbourne on
November 18, 1979.
The minutes of the 13th Meeting were adopted without amendment.
3. Business Arising from the Minutes
3.1 Consideration of Membership Applications
The application from South Korea had been held over from the previous
meeting because no Korean representatives were present. Mr. Choi and Mr. Kim
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written information on the NDT Committee of the Korea Atomic Industrial Forum,
Inc. and described the state of NDT in Korea. After a brief discussion Korea wasunanimously accepted for membership of the Committee.
3.2 Consideration of proposed changes to ICNDT Terms of Reference
Decisions had been deferred to this meeting on some proposed changes
considered by the 13th Meeting. The numerals and wording below refer toSections and Clauses in the 1976 Terms of Reference.
3.2.1. Section 2.
The Committee unanimously agreed with Prof. Pawlowski’s proposal torescind the previous decision to change the Committee’s name to WorldCommittee. The major reason for reverting to International Committee was todifferentiate between the initials of the International Committee (ICNDT) andWorld Conference (WCNDT).
3.2.2. Clause 4.2.
The Committee agreed with Mr. Stanger’s view that a country may only berepresented by one of its own countrymen. The following revised wording of 4.2.
was unanimously agreed to:“4.2 Each country may nominate a second representative to theInternational Committee, but he shall not be entitled to vote except in theabsence of the first representative. If the second representative is also absent,
the delegation may appoint another representative from its own country.
3.2.3. Clause 7.1.
The Committee agreed by 15 votes to 1 to the following additional duty for
the President:“He shall disseminate, at not more than 3 yearly intervals an ICNDT
Handbook which should include the ICNDT history, the ICNDT Terms ofReference, a list of members of all previous ICNDT Steering Committees, a list ofprevious ICNDT meetings and conferences, details of Working Groups, a list of
current ICNDT delegates, details of future planned Conferences.”
The Working Group on Changes to Terms of Reference (Bastien, Hauk,Pawlowski and Heard) was appointed to prepare the first ICNDT Handbook. Mr.
Bobbin asked that it be in an easily reproduced format.
3.2.4. Clause 9.1.
The Committee unanimously accepted, after minor amendment, therecommendation of the sub-committee appointed by the 13th Meeting (Bobbin,De Meester, Goldfinch) to draft a revision of clause 9.1. It was divided into 9.1.
and 9.2. as follows:
9.1 At each conference the International Committee shall confirm thedecision made in principle at the previous conference as the country which will
host the next conference.
9.2 Subsequently at the conference, member countries will beencouraged to issue invitations to host successive conferences; information on
official government or other backing and sufficient support for the preconference
period shall be given. These invitations and supporting information will bediscussed and a decision in principle for the successive host country will be73

taken. Should no such invitations be received, member countries will be invited
to submit proposals in writing prior to the next committee meeting.”
The existing 9.2. becomes 9.3. and the existing 9.3. becomes 9.4.
3.2.5. Section 12.
The discussion on the Working Group proposal on the official language
again attracted a long discussion during which it became clear that a complete
revision was required. After the luncheon adjournment the Committee
unanimously agreed to the following wording drafted by Nardoni and Bobbin:“1.2. Official LanguagesOfficial documents of ICNDT and WCNDT shall be in English. Translation
into other languages may be made.
Administration of the conference shall be in English and may be in thelanguage of the host country.
Papers shall be submitted in English.
Presentations shall be in English or in the language of the host country.
A speaker using a language other than English shall be responsible for providing
a simultaneous translation into English.
The host country or other delegations wishing to listen to papers in theirown language shall be responsible for arranging for simultaneous translationfrom English. Facilities for such simultaneous translations shall be provided by
the host country.
3.3 Place and Date of the 11th World Conference
At the 13th Meeting USA, India and Brazil had made offers for the 11thWorld Conference to be held in 1985. These offers were renewed and Mr.
Nardoni issued an invitation from Italy. Representatives of the four countries
described the financial backing and conference facilities available. The following
vote on which country in principle should host the 11th WCNDT was taken by ashow of hands:
USA
9 votesItaly
8 votesIndia
2 votesBrazil
2 votes
Abstention 1 vote
A vote was then taken between USA and Italy with USA receiving 10votes, Italy 9 votes and there were 3 abstentions.
The principle of holding the 11th Conference in USA in 1985 was thus
adopted.
4. Report on Working Group on Training and Certification of NDT Personnel
Mr. Genevray advised that due to ill health, Mr. Granjon was unable to bepresent to comment on the report of the Working Group (see Appendix 1). Mr.
Granjon would be unable to continue as a Chairman of the Working Group, butwould remain the French representative.
At the President’s request Mr.J.G. Young commented on the report.

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He said that two distinct types of certification schemes existed, onegoverned by an independent body and the other employer based. Equivalence
between the two types was not possible at present. However mutual recognitionof individual certificates may be possible and future activity of the Working Groupshould try to facilitate this.
The Committee formally accepted the report and agreed that the Working
Group should continue. A representative of Poland was added to the Group. Mr.
Young was appointed Chairman.
Prof. Kopineck said that the German NDT Society was willing to produce afirst draft of detailed technical requirements for each NDT method at three levels.
The Committee unanimously agreed to recommend to the Working Group that it
accept the German offer.
5.Liaison with ISO/TC 135
Prof. Mikheev said that American National Standards Institute (AMSI) had
resigned the Secretariat of ISO/TC 135. However ISO had not yet formally votedon the USSR offer to take over the Secretariat.
The Committee noted this information.
6. Certificates and Distinction
At the 12th Meeting consideration had been deferred on the proposal toaward Dr. Mullins of the U.K. a Certificate of Distinction. This was because only
two certificates could be awarded at a Meeting and Prof. Homes and Prof.
Vaupel had received these.
Mr. Stanger said that Dr. Mullins had been a member of the ICNDT for
many years and was the driving force behind the 1963 World Conference. TheCommittee unanimously agreed to award Dr. Mullins a Certificate of Distinction.
The British Committee was asked to prepare an appropriate citation.
7. Future Activities
The Committee formally accepted the view expressed by Mr. Sharpe atthe 13 meeting, that the Committee should provide a coordinating role in NDTmatters concerning research and information dissemination.
The initial requirement is for collecting material from member countries:a) Organizations and academic institutes contributing to NDT researchwith brief statements of their objectives and programs.
b) Detail of any NDT information banks established, data storescontaining NDT keywords or regular listings of published NDT papers.
Mr. Sharpe agreed, on behalf of the Committee, to collate any date sent tohim by delegates directly, or via the Committee Secretariat. At the next meetingof the Committee a decision could then be taken as to whether a working party
should be formed to develop the activity more formally.
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8. Comments on the Ninth World Conference on Nondestructive Testing
All members present joined Mr. Stanger, Mr. Havercroft and Prof. Mikheev
in congratulating the Australian Organizing Committee on the most successful
staging of the 9 WCNDT and the energetic maintenance of the ICNDTSecretariat during the past three years.

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