THIRTEENTH WORLD CONFERENCE
ON NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTINGSAN PAULO, BRAZIL
October 18, 1992
21ST ICNDT MEETING
Agenda:1. Welcome
2. Delegations
3. Minutes of the 20th Meeting
4. ICNDT Activity Report
5. New Membership Application
6. Proposal for the 15th WCNDT
7. Terms of Reference
8. Qualification and Certification of NDT Personnel
9. Certificates of Distinction (Annex 3)
10. Miscellaneous
11. Agenda for the 22nd Meeting
12. Adjournment
List of Attendants
MEMBER
Scarvaci, Jose
Sonneveld, TonySiores, Elias
Theiretzbacher, H.
Gerhard, Aufricht
De Meester, PaulCharlier, Jacques
Hallai, C.
Rossi, O.
Kulcsar, PauloMarshall, D.J.
Brady, P.
R. Cheng
Zhang Jiajun
Chang Y, Xu
Munoz Araya, J.
Larsen, Bjarne
Kristensen, W.D.
Montenegro, F.
Sillanpaa, Juha
Hayes, J.L.

COUNTRY
Argentina
Australia
Australia
Austria
Austria
Belgium
BelgiumBrazilBrazilBrazilCanadaCanadaChina-Peking
China-Peking
China-Peking
Costa Rica
Denmark
Denmark
EquadorFinlandFrance127

CAPACITY
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Deutsch, V.
Kopineck, H.J.
Bock, W.
Morgner, W.
Farley, M.
Raj, Baldev
Sampath, R.
Murthy, C.R.L.
Balarama, M.K.
Mehta, D.
Notea, A.
Nardoni, G.
Filipi,Onoe, Mokio
Takagi, Mikio
Hae Lee
Valdebarrano, M.C.
Garcia C, A.R.
Soevik, Ragner H.
Dalberg, P.
Alejos, J.A.
Pawlowski, Z.
Romero, E.
Garcia Yague, M.
Kuang-Chi Liu
Chen, W.H.
Ching-Piao, H.
Chenc, Jeng-YuanWang, K.
Awai, T.
Bush, J.
Strawn, T.B.
Gonzalez Garcia, C.

FranceGermany
Germany
Germany
Germany
Great Britain
India
India
India
India
India
Israel
Italy
Italy
Japan
Japan
Korea
MexicoMexicoNorwayNorwayPeru
PolandSpain
Spain
China, Taipei
China, Taipei
China, Taipei
China, Taipei
China, Taipei
Trinidad & Tobago
USAUSA
Venezuela

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voting1. Welcome
The President, Carlos Hallai Jr., welcomed ICNDT delegates to Brazil,
wished them an enjoyable visit hoping that this WCNDT can have the same level
as the former one.
He informed that there are 39 people involved in the event organization
plus 10 from ABENDE’s staff. Twenty-five people are working at the conference
secretariat, 20 from ABENDE’s staff and 100 in the security.
The first organization meeting was held in April 1988 and up to now theorganizing committee has spent 792 working hours, the technical committee
1,890 hours and the staff has spent 3, 000 working hours. They prepared 75,000

128folders, issued 48,000 newsletters, 8,000 posters and the President himself
travelled abroad 3 times.
The President informed that there will be 180 oral presentation papers,
202 posters, 9 special format in 3 parallel sessions, 3 plenary lecture
conferences and 1 workshop. There are in the event 49 exhibitors and 19
associations (12 foreign and 7 local) within a total area of 1500 m2.
2. Delegations
Delegates list is given above.
3. Minutes of the 20th Meeting
The President asked if anybody had any comments on the minutes of thelast meeting.
Professor Pawlowski (Poland) said that the minutes have to be corrected
because it states that no work was done from 1982 and it is not true. He thinksthat in a general way the last minutes should be put in order and be corrected.
The President asked him to prepare the written comments to be handed to thesecretary, so they can be discussed in the Thursday meeting.
4. ICNDT Activity Reportsa) The informal meeting planned for Sarajevo could not be held. An
invitation to hold it in Italy was made by Mr. Nardoni. After consultation among
the members the President took the decision to cancel the meeting.
b) During the last 3 years several newsletters (7) were published and sent
worldwide. A new ICNDT handbook was in the delegates package as well as
copies of relevant letters.
c) The President states that no work was done for 3 years. Considering
ISO actuation, some changes should be done in ICNDT. It is necessary toestablish Working Groups to work between meetings and a permanent
Secretariat in any country to handle all the ICNDT information. ICNDT should be
more technical and scientific.
Professor Kopineck (Germany) said that a lot of money is necessary tomaintain a permanent Secretariat (about US $2,000 a year per country). He
asked what will be the duties of the Secretariat. If it would be a separated
bureau and how it will work; if it will be based in Europe or in the USA.
Considering that the next meeting will be in India, probably the contact with theSecretariat would be difficult. Would it work successfully?
Mr. Baldev Raj (India) stressed that in India some technical small groups
are working successfully.
Mr. Nardoni (Italy) agreed with the President’s proposal to introduce
innovations for improvement. He also said that we need Working Groups forgeneral work. He concludes that a permanent Secretariat would be a realistic
proposal but now ICNDT in India comes first.

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Professor Onoe (Japan) said that financial problems can be solved.
ICNDT can work in a more exploratory and advanced stage.
Professor De Meester (Belgium) stated that the time may be ripe to makedistinction between ICNDT and WCNDT. It’s impossible to have meetings every
six months but by fax and other modern ways the members could have morecontact. Anyway a global sum of US $10,000 per country would be more realistic
to maintain the Secretariat.
Mr. Rossi (Brazil) agreed completely with Professor De Meester.
ABENDE’s President said that Brazil offered to be a General Secretariat for NDTSocieties Federation for South America and Caribbean.
Mr. Nardoni (Italy) asked if it would be possible until Thursday to decide
about the small programs for Working Groups. ICNDT is growing and at least
one Working Group should be defined until Thursday.
The plenary agreed upon the formation of a Working Group to study thematters brought up by Professor Pawlowski (Poland) and Professor De Meester(Belgium) responsible on Terms of Reference and on policy. This working groupwill present conclusions during the 22nd meeting. It will be formed by:
Mr. Nardoni (Italy)
Professor Pawlowski (Poland)
Dr. Farley (United Kingdom)
Mr. Boogaard (Netherlands)
Professor Onoe (Japan)
Mr. Bush (USA)Dr. Baldev Raj or Mr. R. Sampath (India)
Mr. Rossi (Brazil)
Mr. Feole (USA)Mr. Theiretzbacher (Austria)
Mr. Aufricht (Austria)
Professor Kopineck (Germany)
Professor De Meester (Belgium)
5. New Membership Applications
The President received enough documents from Kenya and Trinidad –Tobago in addition for their application for membership.
The Trinidad-Tobago representative attended the last ICNDT Meeting inAmsterdam and stated that in his country there is strong and tangible support forICNDT from industries.
The President also received a letter from Pakistan and Romania but theletters are not a formal application yet.
Due to a communication error the candidature of Islamic Republic of Iranwas not mentioned, but has also been introduced.
It was formed a working group to study the new membership applications.:
Mr. Marshall (Canada)
Mr. Sampath (India)
Mr. Sonneveld (Australia)

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Mr. Rossi (Brazil)
6. Proposal for the 15th ICNDTCanada, Italy and Spain want to hold the ICNDT Meeting for the year
2000.
The President suggested that the decision should be taken in India andasked for other member’s opinion.
Professor Pawlowski (Poland) said he’s for Italy because Europe has notheld a meeting for a long time, and because Italy applied for the 15th WCNDT
already in Amsterdam. Also Canada hosted the 5th WCNDT.
Mr. Theiretzbacher (Austria) said that we should reach a decision in thismeeting.
Mr. Romero (Spain) asked permission to speak and said the sooner thedecision is made, the better.
Mr. Sampath (India) wanted to decide it during the 13th WCNDT and was
supported by Professor Pawlowski (Poland).
Mr. Marshall (Canada) withdrew the candidature of Canada, considering
the country has hosted a conference previously.
Mr. Nardoni (Italy) repeated (as was done already in Amsterdam) thecandidature of Italy. He indicated the organization of the 15th WCNDT in Romeand stated that the Vatican Museum will permit a special visit. International
Alternative Energy would sponsor the event and there are not any financial
problems. Sapienza University would be a sponser too as well as the Foreignand Culture Ministry.
Mr. Romero stated that Spain can now apply to hold the 2000 WCNDT
and that the Spanish Association for NDT was founded in 1971 and has now
sufficient experience in similar events.
He presented a brochure with all the information and details in respect tothe event. Explained that the best time for it would be May or October. Then avote was made on the moment of decision.
15 people decided to vote on Thursday.
8 people decided to vote during the meeting itself.
After the coffee break Spain considered the possibility of withdrawing infavour of Italy for 2000, but wanted a compromise that Spain would hold the 2004
meeting. A few countries supported this idea. Taiwan disagreed because Italyand Spain are too close and in the same continent. Belgium wanted to reach thedecision on Thursday. Korea prefers to take the decision in Delhi so othercountries will have a chance to offer to host the 2004 WCNDT Meeting.
The President left the decision for Thursday and all members agreed.
7. Terms of Reference
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Reference and wanted to discuss them with all members. He distributed copies
among the members.
Mr. Chen (Taiwan) proposed the agreement reached with Mr. Cheng(China). In ICNDT China’s representation will be a special case. There will be
one China, but two voting delegates: one from China-Beijing and one fromChina-Taipei.
Mr. Cheng (China) confirmed the agreement.
Mr. Rossi expressed his happiness and satisfaction for the decision
between China and Taiwan and said that this is a historical moment. The originof this agreement is attached to these minutes.
The same Working Group established earlier in item 4 of these minutes
will work on this matter.
8. Qualification and Certification of NDT Personnel
The Working Group had planned two meetings: one in Taormina, October
1989 during the International Conference in Monitoring and Predictive
Maintenance organized by the Italian Society (Mr. Nardoni) and the second
meeting in Sarajevo in 1990 during the 5th ECNDT. In Taormina only 4 delegates
took part: Professor Kopineck, Mr. Nardoni, one delegate from Italy andProfessor Pawlowski. Professor Pawlowski proposed to organize the meeting on
Tuesday at 5 p.m. and to introduce this point on the agenda of the Thursday
meeting.
9. Certificates of Distinction
Discussions taken, on this topic considered proposals from Mr. Kopineck
as well as previously awarded members nominated at the 18th meeting held inLas Vegas. The conclusions put forward by Mr. Farley (Great Britain):a) Members awarded in Las Vegas shall be mentioned in the openingceremony.
b) Professor De Meester and Mr. Nardoni would be awarded at theopening ceremony.
10. Miscellaneous
Mr. Hayes (France) announced that France will host the 6th European
Conference on NDT to be held in Nice in October 1994.
The President offered to contribute with the Brazilian experience for theevent preparation in India. It was agreed also to give India’s representative sometime to present the next conference during the opening ceremony.
Mr. Sampath (India) gave hints and information on the ongoing
preparation of the next World NDT Conference to be held in New Delhi in 1996.
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Professor Paul De Meester (Belgium) remarked that the most important
thing in his opinion is the future policy of ICNDT and adaptation of Terms ofReference.
Mr. Hayes (France) asked about the times when other regional
conferences will be held for the next 4 or 6 years.
Mr. Cheng (China) said that the next Asian Conference for NDT is going tobe in Shanghai- China, in September 1993. He invited all the members and said
that he is going to send information.
12. Adjournment
The President adjourned the meeting at 5:30 p.m., thanking the attendants
for their contribution.

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