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goldfinch
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« on: 31.07.2013 at 16:17 [UT+1] »I have been working a little in past positions of ERIS, discovered a few years ago, and i am suspecting if it may
be the planet for VIRGO Sign; in the same way as Uranus was for Aquarius or Pluto was for Scorpio.
Besides, the name Eris, was the goddess of quarrels !
but I have worked only a little in the subject, thus it is only an idea.
what do you think; have you worked with Eris ??
thankyou.
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Artemisia

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« Reply #1 - on: 31.07.2013 at 17:56 [UT+1] »Eris is so VERY slow moving through the zodiac (557 years for one orbit). In mythology there are two
goddesses names Eris; one is daughter of Nyx, mother of pain, sorrow and lawlessness, the other sister of Ares,
goddess of DISCORD - as in CHAOS - Homer described her as a goddess of WAR. Both options seemingly
seemingly fiery and/or cardinal forces. I have never known any Virgos who would match those kinds ofdescriptions (I've known a lot of them, I married one and my best friend is another, so I'm not unfamiliar with
their peculiar/particular expressions of anger), I'm curious why you make the association? I think there would
have to be a lot of fire, a lot of cardinal influence, maybe an Aries rising or Aries Moon along with a harshly
aspected Mars...
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Gender:I always thought Ceres or Vulcan or Hephaestus would be more fitting for Virgo... ;}Back to top

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Ariondys
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« Reply #2 - on: 31.07.2013 at 18:16 [UT+1] »summary answer: no.
Chiron is actually quite suitable for virgo. I'm not keen on using rulerships like this though. There is only 12
signs and already A LOT of planets wishing they ruled things.
One sensible thing is to use only visible planets for rulers. And follow with subrulers that have affinity. I
believe Eris has been affinitied with libra by some... I would rather give libra to Cupido the Uranian TNP if wewere going to do that though.
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Gender:Here is the last place I found Eris doing its thing.
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1000003342/220#220
and some other research I made:Keyword I invented: Factionalism, Faction.

Eris on the Aris axis.
=History lesson=massive ballooning of Klan membership
Date | Eris | LONG----------------------------------------------------22 Dec 1923 | 29 pi 6'22
22 Dec 1924 | 29 pi 23'56
22 Dec 1925 | 29 pi 41'26
22 Dec 1926 | 29 pi 58'57
22 Dec 1927 | 0 ar 16'25
22 Dec 1928 | 0 ar 33'52
22 Dec 1929 | 0 ar 51'13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
By 1920 Klan[1st] membership in Alabama dropped to less than 6,000

The second KKK flourished nationwide in the early and mid-1920s, and adopted the same costumes and code words as the first Klan

After its peak in 1925, Klan membership in most areas began to decline rapidly.[94]Members
1st Klan

550,000

2nd Klan

3,000,000–6,000,000[2] (peaked in 1920–1925 period)

3rd Klan

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Bjorkstrand

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« Reply #3 - on: 31.07.2013 at 19:11 [UT+1] »Eris is an upper octave of E + J. therefore it rules a and h like E + J.
Then sedna is an octave above eris. But that's another story.
Jim

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Artemisia
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« Reply #4 - on: 01.08.2013 at 02:35 [UT+1] »Quote from Bjorkstrand on 31.07.2013 at 19:11 [UT+1]:
Eris is an upper octave of

E + J. therefore it rules a and h like E + J.

Then sedna is an octave above eris. But that's another story.
Jim

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Interesting explanation! Care to give a quick one about Sedna (or share a resource)? Sedna is conjunct my NK
and I can't find too much info except for the mythology - you've piqued my interest... ;}Gender:Back to top
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Bjorkstrand

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« Reply #5 - on: 01.08.2013 at 03:18 [UT+1] »Artemisia
Sedna? The myths don't work for it. It has to do with the reincarnation of the body or getting to the source ofthe physical. See einstein. He has it mA. He invents e=mc2, the ultimate Energy.
When sedna was discovered, James lenninger reincarnation story came to light.
Jim

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Artemisia
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« Reply #6 - on: 01.08.2013 at 05:31 [UT+1] »Quote from Bjorkstrand on 01.08.2013 at 03:18 [UT+1]:
Artemisia
Sedna? The myths don't work for it. It has to do with the reincarnation of the body or getting to the source of the physical. See einstein.

mA

He has it. He invents e=mc2, the ultimate Energy.
When sedna was discovered, James lenninger reincarnation story came to light.
Jim

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Gender:Thank you Jim; wow, yes, something I'd like to look into, thank you for the leads! I have it in b, 12th house,mK within 8min. If there is any one particular resource (book?) that might shed light on this concept for me(I'm interested in this idea of asteroids as higher octave energies - haven't yet come across this idea), please
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« Reply #7 - on: 01.08.2013 at 06:39 [UT+1] »Are we talking rulerships here? A rulership has to be more than a simple affinity between plant, dwarf planet,or asteroid with a sign. You have to be able to use it for astrological techniques like accidental house cusp
rulers (lords).
I haven't worked with Eris and Virgo, but there is possibly still a huge thread archived on this site that I started
a while ago on the possibility of Ceres (reclassified as a dwarf planet) as the modern ruler of Virgo. I think thediscussion was inconclusive. There are quite a few affinities between Ceres and Virgo going back to ancient
times, but it is harder to make a case for the techniques side of this rulership.

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Gender:I would say the same thing about Chiron and Virgo. There is an association with both of them and health, but
I think that's about it. If you look up all of the many things that Virgo rules (such as grain and handicrafts)
most of them are not Chironic. The mythology of the centaurs doesn't much relate to the mythology of Virgo
the constellation.
There are some reasons to keep Mercury at least as the traditional ruler of Virgo. Note that Mercury rules thehands as well as communication. The Sumerian goddess of grain, accounting, and astrology, called Nisaba or
Nidaba, had affinities with Virgo and was the prototype of the Roman god Mercury.
Lists of phenomena ruled by planets, signs, and houses are in Rex E. Bills, The Rulership Book, published by
the AFA.

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OMGphoebe
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« Reply #8 - on: 02.08.2013 at 03:29 [UT+1] »Quote from goldfinch on 31.07.2013 at 16:17 [UT+1]:
I have been working a little in past positions of ERIS, discovered a few years ago, and i am suspecting if it may be the planet for VIRGO
Sign; in the same way as Uranus was for Aquarius or Pluto was for Scorpio.
Besides, the name Eris, was the goddess of quarrels !
------First glance, I read that as the goddess of squirrels.....
Transit O is m Eris for me.
Keiron le Grice has written a book about Eris as a planetary archetype and it diminishes the affect of thesymbolism of archetypes to attempt to compress them into the narrow parameters of one sign over another.
It's like comparing apples to oranges.....they are both fruit yet if you are not mindful of what you are doing
when peeling them, one will squirt you in the eye. While with the other, if the fruit knife slips you'll leak blood..
http://www.keironlegrice.com/ErisFrontCover.htm

This is the archived Ceres thread that Waybread refers to:
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1218696371
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Lindac7

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« Reply #9 - on: 02.08.2013 at 13:20 [UT+1] »I believe Chiron fits Virgo best. They not only have the tie with health, but also the desire, even the need, toserve others as a way of healing. Virgo likes to help and serve, and that fits the Chiron mythology.
I can see Ceres as the possible ruler of Virgo, but I think the case for Chiron is more compelling.

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AJ_88
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« Reply #10 - on: 05.08.2013 at 03:34 [UT+1] »I am all for creativity and do not stand by traditional astrology as something static and unchanging - it would
die out were this so. Throughout the ages astrologers (Ezra and Lilly for example) have been upfront on what
they think works and does not work but these astrologers had an appreciation of what came before. Modern
astrologers are beginning to poke around in the past more because astrology today and astrology before the20th century are basically part of a continuing whole tradition; even modern is technically part of the traditionin the sense that these ideas will be preserved to be handed down for future generations. As modern astrology
is part of this tradition and is a continuing evolution maybe it would be good to first have an understanding of
the ideas that came before? They do not have to be accepted but maybe they could at least reveal from where
we are all coming from.
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Gender:For example: the planets were not Chosen as rulerships based on sign affinity. The astrology that we inherited
arrived at the rulerships based on an intricate and self contained
philosophy.:http://www.skyscript.co.uk/rulership.html
The rulerships are tied to sect and form the aspects as well though there is a numerological significance I am
sure. I am not saying that people should not experiment and that this article indicates a big fat no, but as
students and astrologers its great to understand the rationale and underpinning of what we use.
I think the asteroids actually do work and very well too - I use them. They seem very imformative as universal
rulers with unique self contained qualities. IMO they act much like fixed stars and the Lots. Would the asteroids
ruling houses add anything? If a house was activated would certain asteroids having an affinity with this housemake the picture more clear or simply give contradictions? I think this is the fundamental question. How muchis too much?
EDIT: I gave a rationale from methods and views that preceded the 20th century. If one is to stay consistentthen the rationales will have be worked out from a modern perspective.

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starcave

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« Reply #11 - on: 05.08.2013 at 04:26 [UT+1] »The Goddess of squarrels had a golden apple which came from the Island of the Hesperides far beyond thepillars of Hercules to the West. Tin to make bronze was rare in the ancient world and it and copper was sailed infrom Britain in the form of apple-like ingots. These golden colored bronze "apples" would be used to makebeautiful statuary or used to make swords to thump each other about the head with.
Tin is traditionally associated with Jupiter and Sag and Pisces if I'm not mistaken, Copper with Venus and Libra
and Taurus. Bronze (about 88% Copper, 12% Tin), was associated with Mercury and Gemini and Virgo.
And walk among long dappled grass,
And pluck till time and times are done
The silver apples of the moon,
The golden apples of the sun.
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OMGphoebe
Ex Member« Reply #12 - on: 05.08.2013 at 23:16 [UT+1] »Quote from starcave on 05.08.2013 at 04:26 [UT+1]:

The Goddess of squarrels had a golden apple which came from the Island of the Hesperides far beyond the pillars of Hercules tothe West. Tin to make bronze was rare in the ancient world and it and copper was sailed in from Britain in the form of apple-like ingots.
These golden colored bronze "apples" would be used to make beautiful statuary or used to make swords to thump each other about thehead with.

Good one!

And I wake up in the mornin'With my hair down in my eyes and she says "Hi"And I stumble to the breakfast table
While the kids are goin' off to school…goodbye
And she reaches out 'n' takes my hand
And squeezes it 'n' says "How ya feelin', hon?"
And I look across at smilin' lips
That warm my heart and see my mornin' sun
And if that's not lovin' me
Then all I've got to say
God didn't make little green apples
And it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime
And there's no such thing as Doctor Seuss
Or Disneyland, and Mother Goose, no nursery rhyme
God didn't make little green apples
And it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime
And when my self is feelin' low
I think about her face aglow and ease my mind
Little Green Apples is a song written by Bobby Russell which was most successful as a 1968 hit single.
Russell wrote both the songs "Honey" and "Little Green Apples" as "an experiment in composing", anticipating a potential
market for true-to-life story songs...with more 'meat' in the lyrics [than was] standard" for current hits. [Wikipedia]

Hands up everybody who had the "breakfast quarrel" with the partner that puts you in such a great mood fortherest of the day!? Do you do everybody a favour and stay home from work? NOOoooo.....you go out andspread the luuurrrvee....
Squarrels....

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starcave

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« Reply #13 - on: 06.08.2013 at 15:43 [UT+1] »Few things say "HAIL ERIS!" so succinctly as a dancing squarrel on the deck scatting "Hacha cha cha,
HANDS!"

JAZZ

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Krista ShippMember« Reply #14 - on: 06.08.2013 at 15:49 [UT+1] »I have Eris 8a m MC 8a
It CAN be chaos !!!
I always felt Ceres should rule f- but am looking strongly at N
My NDm SN 10'f & NG 27'

f -H3 truly fit a Chironic theme

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OMphoebe

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« Reply #15 - on: 07.08.2013 at 01:18 [UT+1] »KERMIT ARMS!

Mark Andrew Holmes has suggested Eris could be a higher octave of Jupiter while Roy MacKinnon seems tofavour Uranus. These resonances are evident, but it's my view that Eris is a higher octave of Venus. A Venus
colouration to Eris does occur through the present position of Eris's North node and perihelion in the Venusruled signs of Taurus and Libra, but I believe the two planets' synergistic resonance is absolutely central,emanating from their fundamental nature and essence, and apparent through all manner of diverse
expressions. Not only that, but an appreciation of Eris can lead to a far clearer understanding of Venus's true
nature. This article describes and illustrates some of the resonances between them.
http://www.smeddum.net/astrology/venus-eris.htm
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Skald
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« Reply #16 - on: 11.08.2013 at 09:43 [UT+1] »I've always thought the Earth should be the ruler of Virgo. It makes a lot of scence if you think about it.

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Ann Parker

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« Reply #17 - on: 11.08.2013 at 17:01 [UT+1] »Hi OMphoebe

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I have just got to say that when I was in my teens my brother bought the record "Honey" and I just thought it
was the most beautiful song I had ever heard. The first time I heard it I cried. Whenever I hear it now it stillbrings a lump in my throat and I always think of my brother (who died) although the lyrics have nothing to dowith him really its just that he bought it - he had only been working a little while and this was one of his firstpurchases of which he was so proud!!
Ann

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Waybread
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« Reply #18 - on: 11.08.2013 at 22:52 [UT+1] »I have to ask what people here think a "ruler" of a planet really means.
Is it a simple affinity between a planet and sign? If so, do we really need it?
Would it imply that the older/traditional planetary ruler of the sign is no longer valid?
Or does a ruler have to mean something if it is domiciled (in the sign it rules) or in detriment by being in the
opposite sign?

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Gender:Can the earth rule a sign if you can add it to a chart only by using a heliocentric horoscope? (In which case, itwill always be exactly opposite the sun.) The earth is already represented in the horoscope through the AC/DC
axis and IC.
Does mythology make a difference? The traditional planetary rulers were assigned back when people
worshipped the gods for whom the planets were named. Here is where we get most of our information, eventoday, about the various phenomena that the planets rule. For instance, Mercury rules communication because
the god Mercury was the messenger for the other gods.
If mythology matters, wouldn't Eris ("strife") be better off ruling Aries; and Chiron make more sense ruling his
fellow centaur Sagittarius? Although I understand the link between Chiron and wounding/healing; isn't the reallesson of the myth about Chiron the wisdom that he gained?
Does a planetary ruler have to have real functionality in horary astrology? In mundane astrology? In working
with house cusp rulers in nativities?
I would love to see someone demonstrate the nuts-and-bolts functionality of any proposed new modern ruler
for a sign. Show us how it works with house cusp rulers, for example.

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PhoenixNoodleSoup

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« Reply #19 - on: 12.08.2013 at 04:12 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 11.08.2013 at 22:52 [UT+1]:
I have to ask what people here think a "ruler" of a planet really means.
Is it a simple affinity between a planet and sign? If so, do we really need it?
Would it imply that the older/traditional planetary ruler of the sign is no longer valid?
Or does a ruler have to mean something if it is domiciled (in the sign it rules) or in detriment by being in the opposite sign?

Can the earth rule a sign if you can add it to a chart only by using a heliocentric horoscope? (Inwhich case, it will always be exactly opposite the sun.) The earth is already represented in thehoroscope through the AC/DC axis and IC.
Does mythology make a difference? The traditional planetary rulers were assigned back when people worshipped the gods for whom theplanets were named. Here is where we get most of our information, even today, about the various phenomena that the planets rule. For
instance, Mercury rules communication because the god Mercury was the messenger for the other gods.
If mythology matters, wouldn't Eris ("strife") be better off ruling Aries; and Chiron make more sense ruling his fellow centaur Sagittarius?
Although I understand the link between Chiron and wounding/healing; isn't the real lesson of the myth about Chiron the wisdom that hegained?
Does a planetary ruler have to have real functionality in horary astrology? In mundane astrology? In working with house cusp rulers innativities?
I would love to see someone demonstrate the nuts-and-bolts functionality of any proposed new modern ruler for a sign. Show us how it
works with house cusp rulers, for example.

In regard to the highlighted and reemphasizing
Actually the Earth is already in the chart - it is everything below the horizon (ASC/DSC line) and particularly if
the degree of the center is used as with all the luminaries and planets then the earth center is indicated by theIC.
Earth (with moon) can be shown in a heliocentric chart as opposite what we would find as A in a geocentric
chart.
But, despite how this same position (opposite the A) is used by Esoteric Astrologers as the position of the
Earth in a geocentric chart, it is not. At best, it might be considered as the focal umbra of the Earth andmight have some meaning as that, but let's be clear about what we are talking about astronomically.
In the paradigm of rulerships Earth does not fit as ruler of any sign. Nor does the esoteric/hypothetical Vulcan.
I think (all) the modern rulerships (OIJ) and where we might consider the "big 4" asteroids (YZ[\)
collectively or individually, still deserve further scrutiny and consideration.
I think contemporary astrologers might do well to develop a new paradigm, distinct from the paradigm ofrulerships.
Oh and HAIL ERIS!

PNS
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