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Merc/Venus aspecting Sun and you...
ScorpSunGemMoonJup
Ex Member« on: 20.04.2011 at 06:46 [UT+1] »Hello all!
I want to discuss about Mercury and Venus in relationship to the Sun and I would like to hear your thoughts
and opinions on this. I don't know if this has ever been discussed but C and Venus can have different positions
and aspects to the Sun, basically 3 if I'm right: appearing before the sunrise , conjunction and appearing after
the sunset.Now , I've read several times on astro sites and some astro books I that the positions of Venus andMerc towards the Sun have something specific by themselves regardless of the actual signs the're placed in.
http://www.khaldea.com/planets/merc_type.shtml
http://www.khaldea.com/planets/venus_type2.shtml
So do you feel you fit in the descriptions of C/D types?
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Ex Member« Reply #1 - on: 20.04.2011 at 09:13 [UT+1] »Mercury rising before the Sun retrograde:If your Mercury type is Promethean-Retrograde, you possess a mind seeking independence from biologicallimitations and the dictates of social convention. It does so because it is driven by an intuitive impulse torealize a new quality of being, the full nature of which you may not as yet clearly or fully understand. But
independence from natural compulsions and social convention often leads to a more or less violent rebellion
against the past and its traditions, or from anything which holds back your mental eagerness.
Eventually, the Promethean-Retrograde type generally tires of resisting whatever she feels hinders her
freedom. Then mental combativeness gives ways to a powerful intuitive identification with, and a creative
contribution to, something greater than the person.
Because the Promethean-Retrograde phase lasts from ten to fifteen days, it is seen in only about one out often birth charts. Great minds and influential thinkers are found among Promethean-Retrograde types, including
Aldous Huxley. A member of England’s most prominent scientific family, Huxley migrated to America, where hebecame a famous novelist and social critic. Always a futuristic thinker, Huxley’s Promethean-Retrograde Mercury
is clearly shown in his best-known novel, Brave New World.
Mercury’s character is traditionally said to be asexual, and its significance in a natal chart doesn’t vary much
between men and women. Women born during Mercury’s Promethean-Retrograde phase, however, often findthemselves engaged in challenging traditional roles and in defining a new image of woman. Some of the mostoutstanding icons of new womanhood are Promethean Retrograde types. Victoria Woodhull, an early feminist of
the nineteenth century and one of the most Promethean women of the modern era, is exemplary of the type.
Chrissie Hynde — who opened the way for women to work as creative and musical principals in the world ofrock music — is a contemporary icon whose legacy has a tremendous impact on creative young women. The
editor of Cosmopolitan and author of Sex and the Single Girl, Helen Gurley Brown, is another PrometheanRetrograde woman.
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ScorpSunGemMoonJup
Ex Member« Reply #2 - on: 20.04.2011 at 09:15 [UT+1] »C rising before the Sun direct:
If your were born during Mercury’s Promethean-Direct phase, you possess an intuitive mind coupled witheffective faculties of communication, enabling you to both convince others of the validity of your ideas and to
inspire them with your future-oriented, farseeing vision. If you were born near Mercury’s maximum elongation,
you may be so mentally intense and certain that some might find you overwhelming, while others may find you
mentally stimulating and inspiring.
Mind is neutral, which explains why astrological tradition assigns asexual attributes to Mercury. As a
Promethean-Direct type, you need to focus on values (symbolized by Venus), because without a clear set of
guiding values and ideals, a powerful Promethean-Direct mind can be a ruthless force. Cultivate mental
watchfulness because your thoughts, ideas and visions may become concrete realities.
The second face of Mercury is seen in the birth charts of Presidents Einsenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter,
Reagan, Bush and Clinton. Fathers of the American Revolution, Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson, exemplify
the Promethean-Direct type, as do Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltson. The originator of the Quantum Theory,
Max Planck, was born during this phase as well. So were Franz Liszt, precursor of the modern superstar, and his
friend George Sand, the famous nineteenth-century novelist and liberated woman. Al Gore and the Dalai Lamaof Tibet are also Promethean-Direct types.

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Ex Member« Reply #3 - on: 20.04.2011 at 09:16 [UT+1] »C setting after the A direct:
During the Epimethean hemicycle, what Rudhyar calls the "evolutionary, associative and generalizing aspect"of the mind dominates. The Epimethean-Direct mental type is characterized by a growing sense of a longrange, objective and historical perspective. It symbolizes a mind in which eagerness and impulsiveness havegiven way to careful deliberation. Here the calculated risk replaces the intuitive gamble. It is often seen in thebirth charts of gurus, spiritual teachers and religious leaders — transmitters and custodians of the many
particular traditions.
If your Mercury type is Epimethean-Direct, you probably have a practical, objective and analytical mind leading
you to act on the basis of facts and past experience rather than on hunches and gut-feelings. Your wellorganized mental faculties enable you to manage people and run things. But in doing so, you may need to keep
an open mind and avoid rigid thought patterns.
As a third face of Mercury type, you are success-oriented and work hard to fulfill plans and goals. To realize
your goals, you draw upon knowledge acquired though past experience and by observing the achievements andmistakes of others. Indeed, this is the main area were Promethean types and Epimethean types most differ intheir approach: Promethean types eagerly forge ahead to pursue a vision or intuition flash; Epimetheans,regardless of how intuitive and impulsive they may be, tend to first distance themselves mentally and attempt
to look at things objectively, to consider what past experience can offer the situation. Epimetheans can bedaring and radical thinkers, but they tend to see their free-thinking as part of a tradition operating within ahistorical context or movement.
The Epimethean-Direct type is seen in the birth charts of three of the most influential minds of thenineteenth century, individuals whose work figures largely in the development of the collective mentality of thetwentieth century. Karl Marx, Charles Darwin and Sigmund Freud. Their work has made, in much different ways,
a tremendous impact on current mentality. They formulated revolutionary theories based respectively on the
study of historical and political precedents, the observation of biological types, and the study of psychologicalprocesses and disturbances. Leaders of the Bolshevik Revolution, Lenin and Trotsky, are also examples ofMercury’s third face. Other examples include Albert Einstein, J. Krishnamurti, George Gurdjieff and Indira
Gandh
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ScorpSunGemMoonJup
Ex Member« Reply #4 - on: 20.04.2011 at 09:18 [UT+1] »C after the sunset retrograde:
The fourth face of Mercury suggest a philosophical or introspective mental temperament. Like the EpimetheanDirect type, it carries a sense of tradition, but it is never satisfied with second-hand knowledge. The
Epimethean-Retrograde type questions authority and social, religious and even scientific dogmas andpresumptions. It is a phase of inner illumination.
If you were born during Mercury’s fourth face, you possess a contemplative, deeply introspective mind seeking
inner meaning. This doesn’t mean other Mercury types lack contemplation and introspection, just that it comes
more easily and naturally for you. When in doubt, you’re likely to examine all the issues involved from every
perspective. Your want to discover the reason, meaning and purpose behind everything, and you are unlikely to
be satisfied with easy, superficial answers. Others exposed to your insight may mistake it for Prometheanintuition. While Epimethean insights may affirm the intuition of Prometheans, different process stand behindthem — one founded in an intuitive vision of the future and how things could be, the other based in anunderstanding of the past and how it leads to a creative future.
Individuals born during the Epimethean-Retrograde phase may at times experience a profounddissatisfaction with the order of things as they are, with the status quo, and they may encounter a good deal
frustration attempting to inspire others with their ideas and inner realizations. During such moments it is best
to avoid protracted feeling of frustration. Focus on the future and its new possibilities, symbolized by theinferior conjunction just ahead—the seed consummation of the past cycle and the gateway to the future.
Sri Aurobindo, who was modern India’s greatest holistic mind and an early activist for Indian Independence,
was born at the very beginning of the Epimethean-Retrograde phase. Marie d’Agoult, an influential nineteenth
century social and philosophical commentator, and an early liberated women, also exemplifies the fourth face of
Mercury. The surrealist painter, Salvador Dali, the Indian saint, Ramakrishna, and Ben Franklin were also born
during the Epimethean-Retrograde phase.
Like female Promethean-Retrograde types, women born during the fourth face of Mercury often findthemselves breaking new ground and embracing controversial issues. Their biographies, inner realizations andpersonal philosophies often inspire and guide others. Jane Fonda and Dr. Joyce Brothers are examples of thetype, issue-oriented and intellectual, with a strong sense of precedents, they make a powerful impression while
projecting a strong sense of natural femininity. target="_blank"Madonna, Tina Turner and Janis Joplin also
exemplify the Epimethean-Retrograde woman, and in their biographies we witness some of the type’s "souldiscontent."
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Ex Member« Reply #5 - on: 20.04.2011 at 09:24 [UT+1] »Venus:
Morning Star, Evening Star
The brief overview of the Venus cycle presented in the previous page provides a multiplicity of factors
susceptible to astrological interpretation, and it offers a foundation for a process-oriented classification of
Venus types. Such a classification consists of two fundamental types – Venus Lucifer, the Morning Star; Venus
Hesperus, the Evening Star. As we'll presently see, each of the two types presents a particular emotionaltemperament and a particular sense of values, meaning, ideals and appreciation. Additionally, each of the two
primary types carries a special retrograde subtype.
Determining your Venus type is easy. First locate the Sun in your natal chart. If Venus is clockwise from theSun, your Venus type is Lucifer, the Morning Star. On the other hand, if Venus is positioned counterclockwisefrom the Sun, your Venus type is of Hesperus, the Evening Star.
If you haven't had your birth chart calculated, simply look up your birth day and year in an ephemeris. If
the Sun is further along the zodiac than Venus, your Venus type is Lucifer. If Venus is further along the zodiac
than the Sun, it's Hesperus. While you're at it, check to see if Venus is retrograde (indicated by the letter R in
the Venus column above your birthdate). In the ephemeris and horoscope graphics generated by
Khaldea2001TM, retrograde planets and listings are shown in red. For example, if your natal Sun is 20 degrees
Gemini and your natal Venus is 10 degrees Taurus, your Venus type is Lucifer, the Morning Star.
While the interpretation given here provides the most fundamental approach to the cycle of Venus and its
place in astrology, it is important to note that it does not factor the latitude of Venus into the picture.
Additionally, a thorough astrological consideration of one’s emotional nature requires an examination of thehouse and sign occupied by Venus, as well as considering how other astrological planets, especially the Moon,
Mars, Saturn and Neptune tie in with Venus and the chart as a whole. Nevertheless, the interpretations below
provide the first and most fundamental approach, and they deal not only with our emotional make-up, but alsowith our value-system and how we interpret, evaluate and make sense of our life-experiences and the world
around us.
Venus Lucifer
A new Venus cycle opens when the Sun and Venus meet in inferior conjunction. It is a moment when the
Venusian faculties of emotion and evaluation are impressed with what Dane Rudhyar calls a "new quality of will
and purpose." But the new quality of Venusian response and meaning does not become realized all at once. It israther gradually translated from potentiality to actuality throughout the 584-day Venus cycle.
The first half-cycle of the Venus cycle is characterized by a spontaneous, eager and impulsive emotional
nature. It corresponds with the constructive, biological activity predominate during the waxing hemicycle (fromthe conjunction to the opposition) of the lunation cycle. But while the approximately 29-day lunation cycle
deals with our most basic and essential life forces, and with adapting to the demands of daily life, the Venus
cycle deals with our inner nature and the set of meaning-giving values guiding our daily actions and forming
our long-term goals.
People born during the Luciferian or Morning Star half of the Venus cycle generally let their feelings lead theway, tending to feel and emote first and think later, especially if natal Venus rises before Mercury. They are
emotionally fresh, spontaneous and open to new experiences. Emotionally resilient, Venus Morning Star people
usually recover quickly from emotional or romantic disappointment, while Venus Evening Star people are more
likely to scar emotionally and carry deep-seated resentments because their emotional make-up tends to process
and replay scenes of disappointment and hurt. But when a Venus Lucifer person, especially one born while
Venus was retrograde, experiences profound emotional pain or abuse early in life, she may "close down"
emotionally and assume a protective or fearful attitude toward life and relationships.
Venus Hesperus
Venus' second half-cycle begins at the superior conjunction – which always occurs when Venus is direct andmoving through the zodiac near its greatest velocity – and continues until the next inferior conjunction. A few
weeks after the Sun and Venus meet in superior conjunction, Venus emerges on the other side of the Sun,appearing as Hesperus the Evening Star.
Corresponding with the waning hemicycle of the lunation cycle (from Full Moon to New Moon), Venus'
Evening Star half-cycle denotes a deliberate and goal-oriented emotional make-up seeking to extract and distill
the meaning of experiences encountered and ideals formulated during the Morning Star half-cycle. Whereas
emotions and feelings eagerly rushed forward during the Venus Lucifer period, they are now more controlled
and introverted in the Venus Evening Star period, though not necessarily less intense!
Although Venus Evening Star people may not show emotions are largely and as easily as Venus Morning
Star types, they often experience emotions more intensely because they tend to become more privately andinternally involved with their emotions and their emotional life.
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ScorpSunGemMoonJup
Ex Member« Reply #6 - on: 20.04.2011 at 09:51 [UT+1] »continued:
Feeling after the fact, so to say, Venus Hesperus people may take a long time to recover from emotional
trauma, thinking about and anguishing over a lost love or a bitter disappointment for years.
Relationship between mixed types, while not necessarily favorable or unfavorable, may at times produce
misunderstandings and a sense of being "out-of-synch". In such instances, it is not unusual for the Venus
Morning Star partner to claim to immediately "forget about" or "get over" a disagreement or fight, while theVenus Evening Star person may require much longer to "forgive and forget." One may be amazed and deeply
perplexed that the other can so easily disregard a painful incident, or that it made such a minor impression on
his partner; the other may be annoyed that her partner still brings up that "old" issue of a few days ago,
thinking, "It doesn’t bother me, so why should it bother him?"

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Jupiter's Daughter

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« Reply #7 - on: 20.04.2011 at 16:28 [UT+1] »Thanks for posting interesting stuff

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Michelle

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Ex Member« Reply #8 - on: 20.04.2011 at 16:56 [UT+1] »hAcB,
Thanks for the articles. I have seen them before, and it's good to see them again.
I can relate to the Venus Evening Star interp.
I'm Mercury Retro Promethean and can relate to that too.
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Carls mate

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« Reply #9 - on: 20.04.2011 at 17:26 [UT+1] »I'm Epimethean-Direct and Venus Morning star. I definitely relate to my Mercury type, but I do not fit thedescription of Morning star Venus at all.

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Daughter« Reply #10 - on: 20.04.2011 at 22:14 [UT+1] »Member

I'm an Epimethean Hesperus and I relate totally

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