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Nyima
Member'Twilight'« on: 30.01.2009 at 16:55 [UT] »Does anyone have any astrological information about the book 'Twilight' or it's author Stephenie Meyer?
Am also interested in the current obsession with the saga in general including the other books 'New Moon''Eclipse' and 'Breaking Dawn'.

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I have a young friend (she's 17 and is totally obsessed, along with her girlfriends) - she's also mystified by her
obsession with certain characters in the book. I have her chart which I'll post later.
I have my own ideas - but I'm interested in yours too.
Love Nyima

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #1 - on: 30.01.2009 at 17:03 [UT] »Well,I'm obsessed with 'Twilight' too!
I'm 17 too by the way
Astrologically,I have no idea how to explain it.But the whole history is addictive in a way I can't evenexplain.Literary,it's not the most well written book in the world,but I had to come to terms with the fact that I
was addicted to it when I couldn't put it down and ended up reading it in something like2days.
The history and the characters are something beyond amazing!Edward[the hero]is every girl's dream.And I
personally identify with Bella a lot...we're both walking disasters

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #2 - on: 30.01.2009 at 17:06 [UT] »I know I didn't help you with your question at all but I just couldn't help myself...
I can be a case study if you want

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #3 - on: 30.01.2009 at 18:03 [UT] »No astrological info to offer but I couldn't help but reply...
Lol well I'm 27 and guilty too. Read the whole series. I agree with Lissa, it's not the best written but there's
something that makes you keep reading and I couldn't put it down. I think maybe a lot of girls can relate to
the character of Bella, and Edward is the dream guy for a high school girl. We grow up but some things staywith usI saw a 30-40 yr old male construction worker reading Twilight on the bus. A young man was buying the books
when i was buying it in the bookstore. It has a universal appeal for some reason or maybe people are curious tosee what the hype is all about (that's why I first picked it up). I'll be part of your case study if you want as well
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #4 - on: 30.01.2009 at 18:45 [UT] »Brief post
Stephenie was born on December 24, 1973
http://www.zimbio.com/The+Twilight+Saga+by+Stephenie+Meyer/articles/23/STEPHENIE+MEYER+Astrology+Profile+Vampire
Stephenie MEYER: astrology and birth chart
Map of the Heavens, Planets, Astrological Chart, Horoscope
Stephenie MEYER,
born December 24, 1973 at 12:00 PM (unknown) in Hartford (CT) (USA)Sun in 2°45 Capricorn, Moon in 3°36 Capricorn
source http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/T732mN7S6s7a.htm
In an interview when questioned about her idea:
How did this whole thing come to you? Where was that flash of inspiration for you?
SM: It was an actual flash. I was not planning to write. I had no aspirations to be a writer, [but] I had thisreally fantastic dream. I wrote it down so I wouldn't forget it, and in [that] one day I was hooked on writing.
http://astrology.yahoo.com/channel/entertainment/more-twilight-stephenie-meyer-c atherinehardwicke-and-more-221034/
sounds like a uranian flash to me.
Havn't seen the chart. Read the books..............
Im 37 and picked Twilight up at the airport for an easy read and was hooked.... shame on me
But then i was a Buffy and Angel fan back in the day
Addictive and substantial as caffiene........ they do keep you up all night.
Passed them on to my sons girlfriend....which when i think about it almost makes me some kind of drug
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #5 - on: 30.01.2009 at 18:58 [UT] »Quote from Vivisha on 30.01.2009 at 18:45 [UT]:Passed them on to my sons girlfriend....which when i think about it almost makes me some kind of drug pusher

Ahaha,you're quite right about that!

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #6 - on: 30.01.2009 at 18:59 [UT] »But yes a classmate of mine told me she dreamed the whole story.Seems like I was doing something to herchart.

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #7 - on: 30.01.2009 at 19:13 [UT] »Quote from Lissa on 30.01.2009 at 18:59 [UT]:
But yes a classmate of mine told me she dreamed the whole story.Seems like

I was doing something to her chart.

yes no doubt.
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Meyer says that the idea for Twilight came to her in a dream on June 2, 2003. The dream was about a humangirl, and a vampire who was in love with her but thirsted for her blood. Based on this dream, Meyer wrote thetranscript of what is now Chapter 13 of the book. Despite having very little writing experience, in a matter ofthree months she had transformed that vivid dream into a completed novel. After writing and editing the novel,
she signed a three-book deal with Little, Brown and Company for $750,000. The book was released in 2005.
That's a worthy date for identifying the transits to her natal for those interested.
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #8 - on: 30.01.2009 at 19:21 [UT] »Bella struck me as k-i concerning her 'alternative nature' and clumsiness, plus her total luck of feminine
characterisitc traits (eg. no interest in fashion), while Edward is quite Capricornian to me..
I have just received Eclipse..I'm on page 11. Oh, and I'm no young chicken (37).
By the way I'm a fan of the Buffy/Angel series as well.
I agree with the strong Neptunian nature of the narration (dreamy prose as they put it on the cover).
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #9 - on: 30.01.2009 at 20:19 [UT] »Here's 'Katie's' chart......thanks for all your replies!
It sounds to me as though the Twilight saga really does have universal appeal and crosses a wide age range(including mine now!)
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Scale Sun and Lissa :Thanks for your offers of becoming case studies, I may just take you up on that. I'minterested in the psychological and astrological significance of these books for personal and professional
reasons.
Vivisha : Thanks for the information I'll look at that when i have a moment later........."drug pusher"...hmm thisis very interesting from what I've been hearing and reading!

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #10 - on: 30.01.2009 at 20:26 [UT] »Oh, great. Katie fits the picture very well.
As we know the archetype of the vampire is that of h/J.
Not only has she those on her MC, but she also has a full 8th house with her Sun, Mercury and Moon in it.

jI: that's exactly what the writer does. Structures her dream.
I'll also offer my chart info if you need it..
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #11 - on: 30.01.2009 at 20:38 [UT] »Katie is a j AC just like me.We have the same 1st house planets too,it's just that I have no AC conjunctions
and my Neptune sits well on the 1st and not on the 12th house end.
I have a 12th house Pluto,and a 7th house Chiron.'Twilight' made me think a lot about my love life...what I
want from it...and reassured my hopes of finding my own Edward someday.
In an odd way,the book gave me a lot of hope.But that's what good books do,at least for me-they fuel me withhope and make me dream.

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #12 - on: 30.01.2009 at 21:06 [UT] »ok Nimya you have hooked me in....

intially i read you as being interested in the books and the author but i see now it appears that you are alsointerested in the appeal of these books.
You say you are interested for psychological and personal reasons? whatever your relationship to 'katie' is i
wouldn't attach any significance to my jest about drug pushing... what exactly have you been reading andhearing about these books? Have you read them yourself? I'm aware that they have a huge appeal but i don't
see anything sinister in them or the interest they have drawn... Its standard fare.... boy meets girl, fall in love.
seperated by factors beyond their control... attempt to be together yada yada yada.
Btw Katie has A# and C squ I as do i so she will enjoy a certain amount of escapism and these books offer
that. You might yield more from looking at her progressions regarding her 'obsession' as reading the books
might be fulfilling something within her now that will later pass.
I do admit though that i was surprised myself at how absorbing they were as they were by no means a literary
masterpiece. However THE HERO WITH A THOUSAND FACES by Joseph Campbell deconstructs the art ofstorytelling very well and is a must read for any budding writer and may explain why the books have been so
successful.
Overall IMO though anything that gets people reading books in my eyes is a good thing.
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Not only has she those on her MC, but she also has a full 8th house with her Sun, Mercury and Moon in it.

I'd go with that. My eighth was jammed to the hilt by transits when i picked up the books
Always good to meet a fellow angel and buffy fan
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #13 - on: 30.01.2009 at 21:49 [UT] »Quote from Nyima on 30.01.2009 at 16:55 [UT]:Does anyone have any astrological information about the book 'Twilight' or it's author Stephenie Meyer?
Am also interested in the current obsession with the saga in general including the other books 'New Moon' 'Eclipse' and 'Breaking Dawn'.
I have a young friend (she's 17 and is totally obsessed, along with her girlfriends) - she's also mystified by her obsession with certain
characters in the book. I have her chart which I'll post later.
I have my own ideas - but I'm interested in yours too.
Love Nyima

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Gender:Jh generation. . . mixed with other factors of course. My next to oldest daughter is obsessed as well. In fact
I went to the theater to see it just because I felt it would help me to relate better to what plane of interest she
is on.
I think this generation naturally has a fascination for the unknown, super-natural forces that surround us. This
generation also has a very difficult 'assignment' of putting some of that 'mystism' into practical- or impracticalapplication.
Four kids have died at her school this year. One a car accident, another from alchohol poisoning and two mostrecently suicide.
Perhaps this generation also has a great task of realizing death; and such awareness would certainly lead them
to be fascinated or obsessed with the super-natural- 'beyond life' subjects. And taboo.

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #14 - on: 30.01.2009 at 22:34 [UT] »Stephanie Meyer:

I q J . . . . of course
also qD which is mC
Since there is no birth time there is no way to structure where the houses fall- but it is tempting to go with thenoon time with I/ 8th.

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Gender:kD- is so very Bella; wanting independance and rebelling from the whole being a human thing- while
Edward is very bE; earthly, 'sense' aware, not to mention very responsible with his powershe is the one
who stands to 'reason' with Bella as to the full meaning of her radical wish to be like him.
With OnE - bella's need for freedom against edward's reason.
That BAKC grouping ndG; writing(C) becomes a great way for her to structure(G) the expression(A) of
her own emotional core(B). These characters can rather be seen as 'archetypes' defined within her own
personality.

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #15 - on: 31.01.2009 at 00:07 [UT] »Meyer's chart and the transits of her story inspiration dream... note G is applying within orb of natal G (shewas experiencing her G return). Reward after long effort. The B is also m natal and transiting G.... so perhaps
neptune isn't the trigger. Saturn speaks of labour and this was a birth. Based on the aspects i suspect that
Meyer had laboured long and hard before inspiration reached up from her subconscious whilst sleeping B. Thenthe real work of manifesting in concrete form could begin as G moved in to n her A. Good example of why
difficult aspects are necessary to promote achievement and how G can be friend as well as foe when he'returns'.
There are some strong transits here, some of which are just on the wide side, interesting viewing all the same.
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #16 - on: 31.01.2009 at 01:19 [UT] »[quote author=Vivisha link=1233334559/0#12 date=1233349593]ok Nimya you have hooked me in....

intially i read you as being interested in the books and the author but i see now it appears that you
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are also interested in the appeal of these books.[b][b]whatever your relationship to 'katie' is i wouldn't attach any significance to my jest about drug
pushing... what exactly have you been reading and hearing about these books? Have you read themyourself? I'm aware that they have a huge appeal but i don't see anything sinister in them or theinterest they have drawn
Vivisha : I'm interested in the whole thing...and yes you're right about the appeal...well especially the appeal. I
read twilight and like you found the book "absorbing" to say the least. Being relatively aware I was quite
shocked that my own reactions to the book mirrored those of Katie and her young 17 and 18 year old friends.
As I investigated further through various related websites I realised that there were so many people
male/female, very young children, teens....people through the nearly all the decades attracted to the books
and the characters. I don't see anything particularly "sinister" in Twilight either. Rather, I was/am interested insome of the themes it seemed to be highlighting such as 'hunger', 'life' and 'death', transformation, (Pluto isquite strong in my own chart) as well as emptiness, depression, confusion, delusion and suicide (was I nowO) and of course ...drugs (very Neptunian themes) interesting that the appeal of the book to so many isalmost drug-like in nature and as Edward said to Bella "......you're like my own personal brand of heroin". I am
sensing that this book seems to be having a similar effect on people; some teens have read the books 10/20
and 30 times (so they say) - a bit of a phenomenon perhaps? a "feeding frenzy" ?
......just a few of my own random thoughts and ideas about the appeal.
... Its standard fare.... boy meets girl, fall in love. seperated by factors beyond their control... attempt to be
together yada yada yada.
I disagree that this book is "standard fare" - like some others on this topic have suggested - it has universal
appeal and in that respect it has a universal message. I'm not a writer so I don't know about it's literary worth
but I do feel that it is tremendously rich in symbolism and has a lot to offer in terms of personal development.

Btw Katie has A# and C squ I as do i so she will enjoy a certain amount of escapism and these books offer
that. You might yield more from looking at her progressions regarding her 'obsession' as reading the books
might be fulfilling something within her now that will later pass.
Great - thanks!
I do admit though that i was surprised myself at how absorbing they were as they were by no means a literary
masterpiece. However THE HERO WITH A THOUSAND FACES by Joseph Campbell deconstructs the artof storytelling very well and is a must read for any budding writer and may explain why the books
have been so successful.
That sounds like it might be really helpful - Thanks again!
Overall IMO though anything that gets people reading books in my eyes is a good thing.
I couldn't agree more
I'd be interested to know what the appeal was for you?
Love Nyima
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #17 - on: 31.01.2009 at 11:35 [UT] »Ramez - I have deleted all my posts with Spoilers.....so sorry, can you delete your quote from my post ?
Thanks, love Nyima
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Quote from Nyima on 31.01.2009 at 11:09 [UT]:

yes this is very interesting; in 'Breaking Dawn'

A Bella is in agonising labour with Edwards child(half vampire half human) almost from the time of conception. The child grows and is born withina very short time taking Bella to the edge of death

J in her human form and the inevitable transmutation J/O -sometime after 'Twilight' I know, but still interesting!

Oh no, you should have written SPOILER..

just joking.

Funny thing is that really not much happens in these books. You can summarize it in 3 sentences roughly. And still they are intriguing. But
I must admit my heavily mutable self was fidgeting a lot. Sometimes I try just to read the sentences where people(vampires/werewolves) speak and leave out the rest. Really short book then..

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #18 - on: 31.01.2009 at 11:41 [UT] »Hi Ramez, and just to say thank you for your insights into Katie's chart too!
I'm thinking though that there may be others who haven't read 'Breaking Dawn' and don't want to know what's
in it. So I'd be really grateful if you could delete it!
I just got a bit carried away with the story!
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #19 - on: 31.01.2009 at 11:45 [UT] »That's OK, as I said I was just joking.. I got so surprised with how things will turn out at the end..
Anyway, I'll delete that post if you want me to, but I don't know how can you freely talk about the books if you
can't mention the last one..
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #20 - on: 02.02.2009 at 14:01 [UT] »Just wanted to add that Bella is a virgo.
?New Moon' starts with her birthday:September 13.

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #21 - on: 02.02.2009 at 20:02 [UT] »Great. That sign fits too. And her day number is 4 (1+3) which is considered to give Oian qualities to theperson..

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #22 - on: 02.02.2009 at 20:19 [UT] »I'm smelling a 1st house iB in her...

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #23 - on: 02.02.2009 at 20:53 [UT] »My 11 year old scorpio is OBSESSED with Twilight. So I thought, I will just read the first book so I can try andunderstand where this obsession is coming from. Well guess who is obsessed now....
I know lots of women in their 30's who love this series. I am not normally into vampire / dark kind of things,
but this has just got me going. I can't explain it!
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #24 - on: 03.02.2009 at 09:50 [UT] »Hi mermaiddream,
I think that in spite of the totally supernatural and overly emotional topic the books are written with great
emotional intelligence and common sense. Reminds me a bit of Jane Austen (though with a bit more 'pink'romanticism in this case). We need to fulfill our emotional needs and in these books you get everything in theright proportion.
Of course for us 'elderly people' it's also fun to make jokes like: 'What is sex like with a vampire? Veeery quick.'
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #25 - on: 03.02.2009 at 21:21 [UT] »We had a young lady visit our house this past weekend with her parents with the Twilight book in tow
SO Bella is a Virgo, that's right they do mention her birthday in the book. It's funny though she really reminds
me on a Leo Sun (Aug 18) sister I have, but she's a quiet and reserved Leo.
I need to go back and read on more detail so I don't repeat any questions that may have been posted.
Someone mentioned that Bella should have a iB, but I see Bella as having a more romantic moon, I don't
want to give anything away because I've read the whole series so I have to be careful. She's very self-sacrficing,
she hides her emotional wounds from others, I would definitely see l somewhere prominent.
Oh it was Lissa that mentioned that iB, I was wondering why you see that (or smell that lol)?

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #26 - on: 04.02.2009 at 02:05 [UT] »I don't know the book at all
But looking at the birth chart of the writer... you use a noon chart and making her born at noon gives a 4j B
What if she was born let's say between midnight and 4am... her B could be in the last degrees of i
The dream was there in 2003? Well then was I around 10k and D in the chart of the writer is there...
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #27 - on: 04.02.2009 at 13:35 [UT] »Hi everyone,
am really enjoying reading all your posts but haven't had time to reply to many of them…and that’s an ongoingchallenge for me on this forum, so please bear with me. However, here’s a few more musings etc….
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There seems to be a profound longing in people (whatever the age) for real relationship, something that isdeeper and more emotionally mature; my friends son came home from school the other day and when his Mum
asked what he’d done that day, he told her that they’d been ‘looking at feelings’ and that he’d really enjoyedthe class (he’s 10 and has a natural curiosity). I found this really heartening to be honest; for me, real intimacy
begins with cultivating a relationship with the self and from there seems to extend naturally to others.

Ramez: Yes you're absolutely right - I do need to be free to discuss the books etc. without thinking about
spoilers and such. Sorry nevertheless to anyone who hasn’t read them yet!
mermaiddream: I can totally relate to your experience with your eleven yr old. I felt the same with Katie andwas curious about the books but got 'hooked' as well as intrigued with my own reaction as well as that ofothers.
truegemini: I'm sorry to hear about the deaths at your daughters school that’s really difficult for those left
behind. What you said… :“Perhaps this generation also has a great task of realizing death; and such awareness would certainly lead them
to be fascinated or obsessed with the super-natural- 'beyond life' subjects. And taboo. “… really resonates with me, and I’m thinking this particularly regarding realizing the nature of, and thenecessity of ‘death’ in a Pluto, transformative sense as well as in reality (there are so many books on death anddeath processes now, particularly in Tibetan Buddhism and through the hospice movement etc.) there iscertainly a growing awareness of and interest in all these subjects. Meyer, I felt, was reflecting these themes
also in 'Breaking Dawn' when Bella gave birth to a child already endowed with super-natural resources...many
people intuitively know that they are more than what society would have them believe.

Vivisha - thanks for putting up Meyer’s chart,"...Saturn speaks of labour and this was a birth..."yes this is very intriguing; in 'Breaking Dawn' A Bella is in agonising labour with Edwards child (half vampire
half human) almost from the time of conception. The child grows and is born within a very short time taking

Bella to the edge of death J in her human form and the inevitable transmutation J/O –sometime after 'Twilight' I know, but still interesting!
Would love to do some case studies by the way but no time at the moment, however it occurred to me that if
anyone wants to put their chart up we could look at it from a 'Twilight' perspective looking at some of theissues we're discussing and what interests you about these books and themes and, what do you think? Wouldthat be a new topic? Or shall we just stick with Stephanie Meyer's chart?
Will reply to others later…..
thanks, love Nyima
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #28 - on: 04.02.2009 at 14:11 [UT] »My 13 yr old daughter has taken down all of her harry potter posters etc and replaced them with twighlight.
harry potter is so out!! i read the first book just to check on what she's up to and read 2, 3, and 4 because icouldn't help myself.

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #29 - on: 04.02.2009 at 15:38 [UT] »Earth Monkey 7 LOL ..... am wondering which planet rules compulsion!

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #30 - on: 04.02.2009 at 15:43 [UT] »Hi Lissa,
hmm...I saw Bella more k , but maybe she's got a prominent Uranus due to the fact that she didn't seem that
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shocked at courting a vampire, or a slightly masochistic D in l in the 7th..lolLove Nyima

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #31 - on: 04.02.2009 at 16:31 [UT] »I think that part of what makes the Twilight series so popular across a whole generation is that it portrays the
masculine principle as extremely powerful but "dead" (thus the Vampire), and the feminine principle as not only
strong, but powerful enough to hold her own against this particular type of masculine force. This is a very new
concept to filter into the mainstream. I've only read the first book, so I'm not sure what happens after that,
but the first book is obviously the source of the whole thing.
The feel I get from the series, and a look at its titles, is that it's ushering in a new form of relationship. This
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Gender:isn't the old school kind of masculine/feminine relationship. "Twilight" implies the setting sun... "New Moon"
implies a new kind of lunar quality (a different kind of nurturing, a new sense of tribalism)... "Eclipse" definitely
relates to the way the Sun/masculine relates to the Moon/feminine (I don't know what eclipse the title isreferring to)... and "Breaking Dawn" implies a new kind of Sun, a new kind of light.
So, I just think the old school way of being a man (and for everyone: the old school way of relating tomasculine principles) is dying out. Edward has to be especially considerate of Bella, not because she's weak, but
because he's aware of his own strength. He knows he can do harm.
It's that kind of archetypal dynamic I see at work here. It's very powerful. Obviously it's very Plutonian, but
considering the transformational times in which we live, it's hard to pin it down to one or two signs and do it
justice. This is big stuff.
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #32 - on: 04.02.2009 at 21:19 [UT] »Quote from ScaleSun on 03.02.2009 at 21:21 [UT]:
We had a young lady visit our house this past weekend with her parents with the Twilight book in tow
SO Bella is a Virgo, that's right they do mention her birthday in the book. It's funny though she really reminds me on a Leo Sun (Aug 18)
sister I have, but she's a quiet and reserved Leo.
I need to go back and read on more detail so I don't repeat any questions that may have been posted. Someone mentioned that Bella
should have aiB, but I see Bella as having a more romantic moon, I don't want to give anything away because I've read the wholelseries so I have to be careful. She's very self-sacrficing, she hides her emotional wounds from others, I would definitely see
somewhere prominent.
Oh it was Lissa that mentioned thatiB

, I was wondering why you see that (or smell that lol)?

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Gender:Well I mentioned the iB because she's such a walking disaster.there has to be something in her chart
responsible for that,and the iB was the 1st thing that came to mind(or nose).

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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #33 - on: 04.02.2009 at 21:22 [UT] »Quote from Nyima on 04.02.2009 at 15:43 [UT]:
Hi Lissa,khmm...I saw Bella more
, but maybe she's got a prominent Uranus due to the fact that she didn't seem that shocked at courting a
vampire, or a slightly masochistic
inin the 7th..lolDlLove Nyima

I thought about a Dl at first too...with some k/i in the mix.But then I found out she was a Virgo...
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Re: 'Twilight'« Reply #34 - on: 05.02.2009 at 00:03 [UT] »Right - clumsiness, so Sag! If her ascendant could be known, I think that would be a good indicator of her
walking/outward behaviour too.
Shawn I agree with Lissa. Thought your analysis was great I never looked at it that way.

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