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Sacred Contracts« on: 02.02.2015 at 09:08 [UT] »This concept is of course from the fabulous Carolyn Myss 'Sacred Contracts' book and cd. I feel that our charts
are our sacred contracts to fulfill. I know a lot of people don't believe in destiny on these boards, but even if
you don't, have any of you seen anything in your charts to reflect the concept of a sacred contract like your jobor believe system???

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Friesiangal

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #1 - on: 02.02.2015 at 11:38 [UT] »I've often 'felt' that, at some time my strong 9th house Taurus and Earth side wanted 'to know the meaningand expression of true love'.
It may have done,.....yet not necessarily in the manner it envisioned it.
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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #2 - on: 02.02.2015 at 20:47 [UT] »Oh very much so! My journey is both about honouring the past that has been given to me by my parents, butalso to break away from their patterns to enact my own mothering instinct. All my personal planets are locatedin the 4H (3 in j conjunct my j IC), but my dK is in the 9H.
The tool to disrupt what could just become a feedback loop of me repeating the patterns of both my motherand father, is found in the GmJ in 1H. There is self-doubt in simply being "me" that it is disrupted and forced
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to change every so often through J's desire to burn everything to the ground. Even if I wanted to remain
entrenched in my comfortable role, I can't. Something will force a complete change. I have gone through a few"revolutions" already.
My happiest and easiest times in life have been when I have been in a "mothering" role, somehow guiding orteaching others on the correct way to do something. So far it's mostly been in a work environment.
The Mother must help and nurture her children, but also has to set boundaries and guidelines to protect them,with the ultimate goal to teach them to become independent. My own mother is a great example for me in theneed to eventually let go of your children and allow them to make their own mistakes...since she hates doingthat and is forever giving unsolicited advice so I "don't have to go through what she did." The joke is thatgenerally whatever she is advising me against doing, I have already learned, and any mistakes I do make, she iscompletely at a loss in how to help! So, I see myself as having to be my own mother.

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #3 - on: 03.02.2015 at 01:59 [UT] »I VERY MUCH believe in destiny. The "problem" is this: WE interpret what WE believe is destiny...or our own
destiny or the destiny of someone close to us. BUT...WE can only interpret 'destiny' within the framework of our
OWN mental (intellectual) abilities and our OWN degree of enlightenment. So: in a way our interpretation of
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our sense of destiny (or degree of destiny) is moot!! We may be totally "off" the mark - we can only ASSUME.
And that is dangerous. In my opinion, anyway.
Which is why I love astrology. The facts are right there: like a booklet of directions. A schematic.
the birth map is a symbolic schematic. It's just amazing.
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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #4 - on: 04.02.2015 at 06:41 [UT] »I was trying to work out how to post this myself, before you put up this thread Capricorn rising. Thank you.
This is my Grandmother and I. I have come to an 'understanding' that we had a sacred contract and it was
about a month after I had this understanding, that she died at the ripe old age of 95. I felt that I had torelease her around the time she had a terrible fall and all and sundry expected her to die a year or more prior.
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As a 15 month old child, I was sitting at her kitchen table and I was badly scalded around my waist, pulling a
fresh pot of tea on top of myself. Although she carried enormous guilt over what happened, she kept me alive
but scarred. I chose at an early age never to have children. iB paN
When my Grandmother was 13, she lost her mother and as a result became a substitute mother to her siblings,
as the eldest daughter. Her hopes to become a nurse where dashed and her Father denounced her ability to dosuch work. Her freedom iB curtailed by a Chironic event - the loss of her mother.
The "understanding" I have come to, is that we had a Contract to break the family pattern. I as the eldest
Granddaughter / daughter would not have to look after my family and thereby any daughter or granddaughterof mine would escape the pattern. I did still have a lot of responsibility and I am almost certain my Mum wasdepressed when I was younger.
I do not have her time of birth, I have guesstimated. I was interested to see the Chiron and moon potentiality
and this is what triggered my understanding.

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capricorn rising

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #5 - on: 08.02.2015 at 07:51 [UT] »I definitely know that I have a sacred contract. I had so many spiritual/obe's when I was just a toddler andremembering my point of incarnation. I searched and searched for body as a spirit, and it took what I call theblessing of Buddhist Monks in the astral plane, to let me know I was choosing the right body and doing theright thing. I just wished that they would have also let me in on what it is I'm supposed to give to the world.
With such spiritual and profound experiences as a toddler and even into a young child I know I'm supposed togive something back.
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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #6 - on: 08.02.2015 at 10:01 [UT] »Quote from capricorn rising on 08.02.2015 at 07:51 [UT]:
I definitely know that I have a sacred contract. I had so many spiritual/obe's when I was just a toddler and remembering my point ofincarnation. I searched and searched for body as a spirit, and it took what I call the blessing of Buddhist Monks in the astral plane, to letme know I was choosing the right body and doing the right thing. I just wished that they would have also let me in on what it is I'm
supposed to give to the world. With such spiritual and profound experiences as a toddler and even into a young child I know I'm

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Gender:supposed to give something back.

Wouldn't that have defeated the aim of physical incarnation? You would have simply gone through the motionsof fulfilling what you were told to give. There would have no personal incentive involved.
Maybe a reason that Aries follows Pisces?
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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #7 - on: 08.02.2015 at 11:03 [UT] »I think the main issue i have when people discuss contracts, its they look for one reason for being here, and its
never one thing its a collection of things.

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Gender:"Giving back" is also another thing people (often heavily l people say) but just 'being' is the aim, that's theservice you can do, and that itself will help humanity because it will touch anyone that you meet or know.
living, not just surviving is the aim.
Following your souls urge will always mean you fulfill your contract, so 'listening' to all signs that come yourway will lead you step by step through the maze to your 'prize'. so honour each contract by growing with eachsign, that sign can be a person, a situation, or even a TV person.
The hardest thing when you have had profound spiritual experiences is to live and be present, and that means
finding enjoyment in the practical and physical things in our life, finding the bliss in the mundane.
if you look for one thing you are meant to do, you wont find it, you will find what you are meant to work on
right now, but that will change as you evolve.
So how is your everyday life?

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #8 - on: 08.02.2015 at 14:48 [UT] »Well I tried to have friends and a boyfriend all my life, but from puberty until this very moment nothing ofimportance in those areas have surfaced. I had the spiritual experiences first as a toddler and popping out andthen gliding right back into to my body as a two and three year old. I remember in K-Grade playing with mypattern blocks and looking out the window and into the sky knowing there was a universe out there beyond thisplanet and that it was spiritual. Already a great thinker in terms of deep matters at such a young age... which
probably came about as cold and aloof to people. While I was a very spiritual and yet serious child I could also
be very positive. I lived in Texas at the time in a city right outside of Dallas. In the south anything different is
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less than desirable. I remember in the incarnation point when I settled into body it wasn't an easy settle. I
could feel the tension/opposition from my future self in my lower chakras. And I most certainly did have that.
Now some people say you choose to be happy but you shouldn't have to change your core being just to please
others. I really was kind and positive but living in the south was something else. You had to be this or that or
people didn't want anything to do with you. I remember liking this boy in elementary (5th grade) and he liked
me to. But the first year of junior high (6th grade) he was dating the popular girl in school because he was the
popular boy in school. It really hurt that the first person I had feelings for I had to let go. I told myself in thatmoment that I had to let him go but it hurt so much inside. As a young gay boy you don't know what yoursupposed to do or say you just know you ARE! But when so many people tell me what it means to be a gay
boy and then a gay man and they are not gay themselves its crazy. Saying we are all partiers and I am quite
the opposite of that. The more I lived and still live in the south the more I know I can't have what want yet. I
wanted nothing more than to have a boyfriend just someone that I have chemistry with. I remember in highschool some people giving me problems and my chakras being on fire and I used that fire to 'burn' that part ofme that wanted what I couldn't have. I notice in my chart that relationships are not promised to me. When I
heard a spiritual mentor say that we are not always promised what we want that clicked with me. I look at mychart 5th house of fun and games empty, seventh house empty, and my venus is in the first house which doesmean the love has to come from me. The world needs love now more than it ever has and as cheesy as it
sounds I want to give as much as I can on mass level.

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #9 - on: 08.02.2015 at 16:10 [UT] »Happiness isn't about other people, true happiness is your own internal process, it doesnt involve others.

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Gender:No charts deny relationships, thats not a spiritual concept, its a very human idea of suffering. It might be thetype of relationship thats 'denied' but it just means that wouldn't make sure happy so you need to look outside
the traditional views of relationships.many people have 5th and 7th houses empty, its not really empty its spacethat can be filled, and it has a sign that rules those activities...thats not an indication of being denied
relationships
some people do find that they arent entirely happy to be incarnated, therefore they are not as connected totheir body, not fully grounded into physicality, this obviously can lead to dis-ease. Chiron is in Taurus, so there
might be a wound related to how you feel about your physical body. You can't opt out of physical life and still
be present and fully help others here on earth
True love can only be given when its fully understood, and when the person radiates it....you can only do thatby becoming love itself.
Noone is denied love, its a choice made AFTER our incarnation (usually out of fear) so cant be in our contract

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #10 - on: 08.02.2015 at 17:58 [UT] »you are right about chirons wound but without it i wouldn't know what it feels like to walk in anothers shoes.
the body really is just a shell. we are bigger than our bodies. i have a bowl shape in my chart and i am
supposed to "pour from my bowl" as it were. i can write and i am trying to shape a story that speaks of themes
I have just discussed.

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #11 - on: 08.02.2015 at 19:11 [UT] »If the body was just a shell , why would we incarnate?
why have a physical experience at all? there are, as you know, many different realms you could have stayed in,so why back here? what do you have to learn that has to be done in a physical body?
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Gender:Funny enough i was having a chat to a few non-physical entities recently (I am a medium) and they weretalking about how we don't appreciate our physical experience and some energies would love that opportunity
but they haven't had the chance.
if we don't acknowledge our bodies in our complete selves, how can we really, truly connect to that which isbigger then ourselves? any spiritual practice requires grounding in physicality to keep you healthy and safe.
i have a bowl shaped chart too, but to pour from your bowl, you have to understand what it is that your bowl
contains.
write from a point of experience and it will always sound authentic, but the writing act itself is a physical act, it
requires connection to your body. writing is a great tool, the greatest story is your own.
i wish you luck on your journey

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #12 - on: 08.02.2015 at 23:31 [UT] »you said in a previous post that no one is denied love and I just don't feel that is so. forces beyond my control
other people or the universe or both made it very crystal clear that it was not mine to have. if you are a gay
man and want a love story or just love from another man it just doesn't seem like an option. i have had offers
to 'hook' up but don't just want to 'hook' up.
career wise i have a scorpio MC and have been trying to figure out for the longest what to do with it. I havetransiting pluto sextile my MC and want to grab at the opportunities it throws my way. I had visions when I
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was a child and most have come true so I'm honoring that path.

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #13 - on: 09.02.2015 at 08:45 [UT] »do you love your physical body? Are you denying love to yourself?
Like attracts like, if you don't love yourself, how can you expect others to?
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Gender:If the location is an issue for a gay man to find love openly then perhaps find another location.
Taking them path of least resistance is never for our highest and best, it tends to be fear based.
You haven't answered the question though, if our bodies are just shells and don't matter, why incarnate at all,why not simply keep to other non-physical realms....it's always a choice we make before we are born as you
know, and you chose to come back.
Anyways I am taking this off topic and making it focused on you not on contracts as Myss talks about them ,Ihaven't read any of her books so can't comment specifically to her, but just about the work I have done withsoul contracts.
PM me if you want to discuss this further

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #14 - on: 13.02.2015 at 10:44 [UT] »I have an opinion: you have all the love you need and it comes from/thru you with the self-emptying of thatbowl, the planets with aspects interpreted esoterically because you came from that place, started from thatplace.
You do not need "to become one of us". (Me, neither. I don't need to "fit in" either.)
The best thing that happened to me, was when I gave myself permission not to be on a "conventional" pathfulfilling the conventional expectations of others.
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"Empty out" that bowl. Pouring thru you, are good things, if you see it all as esoteric astrology, whether it helps
others on the mundane or not. Of course, it will. This is the only source of fulfilling love available this life. I am
saying this is the path of your fulfilling love.
That is my experience. Me, too.
It is not the South. I am not gay. It is the pouring out that is "destined". It is an Aquarian kind of thing that isneeded, right now, for this time.
You volunteered.

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #15 - on: 14.02.2015 at 03:23 [UT] »Hello Capricorn Rising,
I am very familiar with Caroline Myss and I find her to be one of the most provocative spiritual thinkers of ourtime- much of her work is not derivative of anyone else's - it seems to be inspired from her own serious efforts
to connect with some divine intelligence. An dyes, I do see our charts as a description of our "contracts' in that
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each and every house has it's own lesson to teach us or it's own spiritual challenge that you can read from theplanets in the house, the sign on the house cusp, and the aspects to the house ruler.
I have seen many charts of person's with empty 5th and 7th houses who have satisfying relationships. I
wouldn't rule that out for yourself especially since your North Node is in 5. I have two planets and Chiron in
the 5th, on e is my Sun and its the chart ruler and I have spent most of my adult years unattached. I have hadmany romances. But usually I break them off after after a few months because i do not want a relationship tohold me back in any way on my spiritual journey It is very hard to find others who are truly and deeply open
to the spiritual dimensions. You can imagine trying to explain to someone who is interested in you in aromantic way that you are an astrologer. Most people shrink away immediately.
And although it is true that one must really love themselves fully before they can truly love another, sometimes
it is in relationship that we really learn these lessons. I believe that for some of us, relationship is meant to bea part of our spiritual journey. I suspect for me it is not and I am okay with that 95% of the time. I do getlonely for companionship but then I simply make a greater effort to reach out to connect with relatives and toother like minded folks such as are on this forum.
You have Uranus on your South Node - I see this often in charts of those who do political work or activism or
advocacy and it's in the 11th - maybe , if you haven't already, you might get involved in some organizedpolitical work and you might find connections and friend s and some real fulfillment through that.
Barb at thelivingsky

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #16 - on: 14.02.2015 at 03:27 [UT] »You are right about most of what you just said, except that i do identify as being more sexually attracted tomen.. call it gay, bisexual, or what have you. Society is so wrapped up in proving how gay they aren't that they
miss out on seeing that love comes in different forms. I want to show society that one can be gay and one canalso be more spiritual and more philisophical and more loving than you've ever known. I have always had avery very very profound connection to spirit... "being in the palm of Gods hand" and that hand is more loving
and more compassionate than people give it credit. God is a spirit.. WE are all that spirit and everything in life
and the universe is that spirit all at once.....
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Please do contribute more! I'm always esoterically sound in my heart and mind. The chart is magic.

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Re: Sacred Contracts« Reply #17 - on: 14.02.2015 at 03:38 [UT] »Barb,
I just saw your reply after I made my reply to Connie D. I thought about politics but it just wouldn't sit very
well with me. Its funny.. as spiritual as I am, and the memories I have of incarnating, the hurt from teasing
and very little friends left me feeling burned and empty in that area. But like most humans I do need to feellove from the outside to feel whole...
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