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scorpio_me
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« on: 15.07.2010 at 16:55 [UT+1] »Hi, just wondering if we can explore together what each of these words mean in light of natal astrology andeven transits (considering what's going on this Summer).
For myself I've got 4 planets in Scorpio, 1 in Aquarius and 1 in Leo. I find I do feel more 'rigid' in my thinking
even with a mutable Gemini Moon. How this manifests is that when I decide to live a certain way I stick to it
even when it's falling apart as an idea
. It also means if I have set myself toward something I can get there,
usually no matter what the obstacle, but I'm not likely to initiate a new course of action with great frequency (4planets in mutables, none in cardinals, just an AC).
What about you? How does it 'feel' to be a Cardinal type of person? How do these transits affect you?
Mutable seems to make the most sense to me, I just think of Pisces and I know

. Perhaps it's also myprogressed moon now in Pisces, that energy just feels understandable to me, it's like being in water justfloating along.
Cardinal, though, what's that like?
Those of you with fixed planets, how do you experience them?
Feel free to post charts if you like.

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MercuryVenusMR

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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #1 - on: 15.07.2010 at 17:26 [UT+1] »As a Libra, i haven't been feeling the effects of the transits. Altough, of course, I won't be saying the samething in a few more years when transit Uranus will be opposite my Sun & Pluto square my Sun. And it'll be evenlonger when those planets oppose & square my Mercury. I am currently experiecing transit Uranus square
Neptune, still haven't noticed anything different though.
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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #2 - on: 15.07.2010 at 18:01 [UT+1] »Before one starts to measure out Cardinal, Mutable, and Fixed indications for the chart, it's important to also
consider the nature of the Planet's themselves even though Planets are not specifically given a "mutable,
cardinal, and fixed" description in the direct sense.
Meaning, a particularly highlighted Planet can really alter an otherwise heavily say Fixed Sign oriented chart.
I will give you a real life example. I have a friend who has Sun in Taurus and Leo Moon, as well as some other
Fixed Sign placements.
Yet, at the same time, super mutable, watery, flowing and fluid Neptune is CON their Asc degree. This helps
to balance out and mitigate the great fixity of their chart in a theoretical sense. But also in actual practice--forthis person is much more flexible and receptive in nature than just the Sign part of their chart would normallyindicate.
The Planet's rulership of the Signs can give some clues to the nature of the Planets in this sense, but it's also
important to figure out the nature of the Planets independent of any Sign connections as well, for a Planet is
unqiue unto itself despite that it may rule one or two Signs.
For example, Venus rules both Cardinal Libra and very ultra Fixed Taurus. My wife has Venus CON her Asc.
For her, Venus is almost like inbetween or a blend of Cardinal and Fixed energies, but is a bit more flexible andadaptable than both.
Course, her chart Sign wise is very predominantly a strong mix and combo of Fixed and Cardinal.

Yet, i've

noticed that Venus has a more flexible and flowing side to it than either Taurus or Libra has with their strong
Wills. This is because Venus is NOT Taurus and Libra, and vice versa. She has her own unique energy
signature.
In this real life example, this translates to my Wife's very strong Venus adds some flexibility and softness to anotherwise extremely strong willed, super independent, and not particularly flexible chart.
If we looked at only the Sign part of her chart, we would think she is an extremely executive type who cannot
be reasoned with when it comes to something different than what she believes, wants, etc.
While she is one rather strong willed, sometimes quite stubborn, and very independent kind of woman, she
has a soft, Yin, giving and receptive side to her as well. She is a romantic, artist type.
Sign wise she has Aqua Sun, Venus, and S. Node. She has late Cap Rising cusping Aquarius, Aries Moon,and the ruler of her Asc--Saturn is in Libra. While she does have Mercury and Mars in Pisces, the mutable
quality of same gets really toned down when you realize that both are closely CON each other!
Another thing which tones down all that Fixed and Cardinal energy is that her Asc ruler, Saturn, is very, very
closely CON Jupiter. Jupiter is a Planet that rules two mutable Signs. In other words, with highlighted Jupitercomes greater flexibility and ability to adapt. While some people link Jupiter to dogmatic beliefs and attitudes
and religious dogma, in reality Jupiter by itself and in and of itself is far to Universal and Mutable in nature to
be so connected to such Fixed like qualities and expressions as is necessary for the former.
Now, a difficulty aspected but otherwise strong Jupiter in Taurus will highlight problems with religious or
spiritual dogma and overly fixed, dogmatic attitude and approach to these. In fact, i know someone who has
this above Jupiter pattern and boy it does show. They have somewhat unusual (some may say rather "outthere") spiritual/religious beliefs, but it seems like these don't change much at all over the years and are very
fixed and static in nature. Very little of what they believe about spiritual reality comes from inner guidance
and attunement to same, but so much comes from what others say and teach about this. Lack of deeper
spiritual/religious intuition, going within. They hide this great fixity and dogmatism behind a facade of"humility" and impersonality. They have convinced themselves that they spout mostly other peoples beliefs
because they are humble and self effacing, and don't have the "pride" or arrogance to think they know deeper
truths on their own and so they completely defer to the wisdom of others. What a way to keep self stuck in alimited and overly dogmatic mind set, especially when most of the sources and teachers they believe in were
not all that spiritually attuned to begin with.
Anyways, in other words, Relativity!
Also one has to consider the nature of the elements of the Signs nad
Planets. For example, Air & Water is more akin to Mutable innately, Fire to Cardinal, and Earth more to Fixed.
This translates in real life to say that while both Aquarius and Taurus are "Fixed Signs", Aquarius isn't quite as
fixed in nature and expression as Taurus which is ultra fixed. Leo, while it has a rather strong will & isessentially "Fixed", is a bit more changeable in nature than Taurus as well, for Fire is akin to Cardinal like
expression and attunement. Look at Fire and how it constantly moves, shifts, and changes.
So Signs are not just Fixed, Mutable, and Cardinal, but each Sign is relatively less or more so than another
Sign. Aries is SUPER CARDINAL and Taurus SUPER FIXED and Gemini SUPER MUTABLE, but as the Signs
progress and evolve, they become more complex and multifaceted which is why it's only the latter Signs whichshare two rulers.

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Ed Falis

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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #3 - on: 15.07.2010 at 20:57 [UT+1] »Perhaps.
I have 7 of the usual 10 planets cardinal (Chiron too, if you want to count it), and all angles cardinal.
It feels like improvisation, reacting to what happens in my experience. Probably for related or different
reasons, my task tends to be to put processes in place initially for others to finish up, so that's pretty classic.
Transits? Every person in my life who considers me a rock of stability is coming out of the woodwork looking forsome kind of emotional or other support.

All hail the cardinal crosses!

- Ed
Here you go, a chart:
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scorpio_me
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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #4 - on: 15.07.2010 at 21:22 [UT+1] »Hi, MercuryVenusMR sounds like those transits coming up are not considered welcome! I had Uranus square
Moon not too long ago, at the same time I had Uranus trine Sun and Neptune square Sun. To tell you thetruth I think I felt my Chiron transits more.. Something to look out for, though. Transiting Uranus is on my
MC right now and I have had some great little spurts of change from it. Not adversely affecting my IC so far(and Saturn is on it, too, so I'll keep touching wood).
direct Jupiterian, I agree it's far more nuanced then this but I'm hoping here to isolate theoretically the idea ofthese qualities so I can get a better handle on where they begin and where the planet/house ends. Funnythough I was thinking about the Moon, ruler of cardinal Cancer, which seems to me to be the most mutable
planet of all? so I'm not sure that there is a direct way to associate rulership with these qualities. You've
already rightly pointed out the difficulty of that with Venus, etc., which is a good point.
Ed, I am still using your bs detector - must be you taking care of us all, being our rock, in a way! Funny I don't

associate that quality of care-taking immediately with cardinality, but I think I should. Cancer, Capricorn, Aries,
Libra... out of those signs I feel 'taken care of' by all but Aries.. Nice diplomatic chart there, by the way.
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Ed Falis

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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #5 - on: 15.07.2010 at 21:28 [UT+1] »Quote from scorpio_me on 15.07.2010 at 21:22 [UT+1]:...

Ed, I am still using your bs detector - must be you taking care of us all, being our rock, in a way! Funny I don't associate that quality ofcare-taking immediately with cardinality, but I think I should. Cancer, Capricorn, Aries, Libra... out of those signs I feel 'taken care of' by
all but Aries.. Nice diplomatic chart there, by the way.

Actually, they use me at work when we need a lack of apparent diplomacy (but that's just another kind of it).
Hey, I just wanted to grow up to be Zorro. Keep using that detector - it's a gift to you from the 'verse.
- Ed
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MercuryVenusMR
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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #6 - on: 15.07.2010 at 21:31 [UT+1] »Actually, I do welcome the transits. I mean heck, if I made it through transit Pluto activating my mutable tsquare on one end 9 years ago & transit Saturn also activating my t square on the other, then obviously I canhandle transit O n A & transit J o A.
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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #7 - on: 15.07.2010 at 21:47 [UT+1] »I lack the fixed modality except for J in h and my nodes in b/h.. I wish I had more fixed energy so that I
could not be so wishy washy and so that I could get some things done in my life.. like see it through till theend!! WHat an odd concept!!
I have aA and D in the 7th, dB in the 10th, and libra asc.. all my angles are at 0 degrees of cardinal signs.
So I suppose I have alot of cardinal energy.. I guess..
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However I seem to feel more of my mutible signs more, GEO in i in the 3rd, actually tech A in in the 6th,along with F and C in l.. I am very easy going and often find myself taking on the moods and emotions etcof those around me.

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Evolving
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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #8 - on: 15.07.2010 at 22:02 [UT+1] »I use to be a 'rock' in the past, people had to care with what they said around me, much of which if they
pointed their verbal words at me. However have done some inner work and softened, revealing a more
vulnerable, in-touch deep nature.
Doing so, I'm waaay too psychic towards energy, sifting everyone. AND, more open to 'finger pointing' due tomy non-combative nature. I've become a hermit as the varying energy is thoroughly de-energizing.
In some ways, I don't like being this AWAKE as I am. Simple externally, complex and deep internally; knowing,
wisdom, answers beyond. Words don't do justice. Strongly visceral to the core. Relating to others is limiting.
People that are oxygen and buoyant filled (positive), I can avoid the heaviness in life. I live from my heart, at
the moment.
Apparently, around my age give or take (47 y.o.), a huge shift happens...what was is no longer fulfilling, arenewed sense.
When my mind is focused on something or someone, I get immersed, hard to change direction. Working on,
when it's NOT working for me.
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Somnium

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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #9 - on: 16.07.2010 at 03:05 [UT+1] »I can see fixed element in people well, but I'm a bit confused by cardinal and mutable. Fixed people I know
don't change much in life...they like the same music has they did 10 years ago...they have the same friends andthey don't seem like they want anything else out of life.
I have mutable sun and moon with cardinal asc, mercury and venus. I don't keep the same interest very long,same with friends. The person I am changes and so is what's part of my life. As I am going somewhere, how
could I keep the old stuff with me. I am nothing of a nostalgic person (like fixed signs seem to be for what I
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Gender:see). But I am not really sure what's cardinal and what's mutable in me.

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judyanne
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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #10 - on: 16.07.2010 at 03:40 [UT+1] »My cardinal placements have their energy modified by tight aspects that tend to dilute their self-initiatingenergy.
So, I am not much of a rock. More like paper. Sometimes scissors.

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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #11 - on: 16.07.2010 at 10:45 [UT+1] »all of my mutable planets are in cardinal houses (4-10th), so the changes that the transits seek somehow take a
lot of outgoing energy. with those planets in mutable signs it is easier to adjust in difficult situations, but themutable energy gets somehow more unbalanced, because life asks more active energy .
later in life, you notice that the changes in life are not only about the placement in signs, but more inplacement of the planets in the house it is in.
otherwise some of my fixed planets are in a mutable house (3rd) and for me that is more difficult to handle.
theyre not in for a change so easily..
and in the mix with a large amount of mutable planets i seem to cherish those fixed planets more..
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Ed Falis
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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #12 - on: 16.07.2010 at 13:20 [UT+1] »I didn't say at all that I feel like a rock - quite the opposite. I said these transits have people who think they
can depend on me coming out of the woodwork looking for support and stability.

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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #13 - on: 16.07.2010 at 21:17 [UT+1] »I have 5 cardinal planets- 3 of them in angular houses..
I also have cardinal angles....

TG for my lB
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Re: cardinal, fixed, mutable - how do you do?
« Reply #14 - on: 17.07.2010 at 02:38 [UT+1] »well yes, but in such a sweet way sister Krista~~~~!
my ASC in the last degree of gemini and jupiter in sagittarius help me identify a lot with the mutable modality,
even though there's 4 in fixed and four in cardinal too.
more than once i've been in what seemed like a thicket of bramble and found a path through via adaptability
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