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« on: 12.08.2009 at 16:23 [UT+1] »I've never really used lunar returns but in the past couple of months have been checking them out just forkicks. I am finding that they do actually seem to give a good overview of the month, especially in regards tomy emotional state. What do all of you think?
With interest,
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« Reply #1 - on: 12.08.2009 at 19:22 [UT+1] »Funny you should ask!
I did the same thing recently and found some very interesting things.
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Check out this post:
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1247356027/6#6
After looking at these two lunar returns, I was hooked. I just knew SOMETHING was bound to happen during
these months, something that was going to make me feel in perfect simpatico with my inner being.
Well, I
just got a great new job! (Check out J in the 10th.) I will not actually start until 8/24, two days after my LR.
All angles are at Aries point, which even puts vertex at AP. That would be cool on it's own, but my NN is AP(zero a) so it's really lining up for me.
I'll have to get back to you on the inner harmony thing!

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« Reply #2 - on: 12.08.2009 at 21:08 [UT+1] »Interesting Topic Querian
Would you read the lunar return chart in the same way as a natal chart?

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Gender:Years ago when I first started studying astrology, I was taught that a solar return chart should be read as a kindof calendar. That is, bearing in mind that there are 360 degrees in the chart, you would use the Asc or birthday
as day one of the year and follow it round and check the dates where the other planets sit to see when theywould be activated, making allowances for the aspects.
This isn't possible with a lunar return of course so how do you read it?

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« Reply #3 - on: 12.08.2009 at 21:56 [UT+1] »Hi Sorbet Kisses, I checked out your thread and wonder if any planets are lining up with natal planets in yourreturn charts and if so if you are finding them particularly relevant to that month's experience?
Hi Jently, I guess I should have explained how I am using them. I am kind of reading them as a mini solar
return then looking for planets are angles that correlate to my natal chart.
Here is my method, in brief:First look at Asc, is it cardinal, fixed or mutable? This shows your approach for the month.
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Gender:Next look at chart ruler, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Next look at sun, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Next look at moon, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Finally, look to see if any planets or points fall on important spots in your natal chart.
Note: when I say any tight aspects I am really only looking at conjuncts within 2 degrees, maybe other notableaspects but trying to keep it as simple as possible.
I am attaching my chart from last month and walking through my example.
Taurus rising - fixed approach ... returned from a 2 week vacation and needed to get back in to routine
Chart ruler Venus in 12th conjunct Mars (at my sun/moon midpoint) indicating a need to rest and a need forsolitude with my lover
Sun in 2nd house opp Pluto ... this was an unusually tense month for me in terms of frustration which I think iswell described by the sun-Pluto opposition
Moon in the 4th house, again emphasizing a need to withdraw and recharge
Planets/Angles on natal points:- LR Mercury conjunct natal Saturn/MC - I have been doing a lot of thinking about my career- LR Sun actually creates a Grand Cross with n-Pluto, n-Mars and p-sun, further emphasizing what I said about
the sun above- LR Jupiter/Neptune/Chiron all conjunct n-sun- LR Pluto conjunct n-Mars- LR Saturn is 3 degrees from my Asc but am not considering this since orb is too wide
To sum up, since this is a Lunar Return I am looking at it primarily in terms of my emotional well-being for themonth. Taurus rising shows a need to deal with practical matters after return from vacation, but chart ruler inhouse 12 and moon in house 4 show a need for retreat. Sun and Pluto show this might be a trying month but
I find it interesting that the solstice and 1st new moon in Cancer were like a mini cardinal climax like the one
coming up next year involving the outer planets. My lunar reaction to this month could even be a test of how I
will handle that cardinal climax when it comes. But back to the chart, there is basically some stress combinedwith a need to retreat.
And it's also interesting that during this lunar cycle I decided to move ... changeable moon in house 4 ...
Anyway. I hope that makes sense, I don't usually delineate the charts fully, just look at the basics and get a feelfor it compared to what is going on in my life.
During my current lunar return Saturn is almost exactly on my Asc and I have been feeling him a lot moreheavily that I think I should (maybe due to buildup to opposition with Uranus next month). He is 2 degrees off
my Asc as of today but right on it on my LR ... thought perhaps the LR Saturn placement was making him feel"heavier" this month than I thought he should.
I usually look at lunar cycles in terms of new moons but I do seem some correlation here to my own emotional
state.
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Member« Reply #4 - on: 12.08.2009 at 23:34 [UT+1] »Thanks for your detailed reply Querian.
Needless to say, I went straight to my current lunar return and checked it out.
Spookily accurate.
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It has been an eventful month which is described perfectly in the LR chart.
Many thanks for raising this topic. It's certainly something which I will be watching in the future.
JentlyEdit: I found that it not only indicated emotional leanings but also actual events

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« Reply #5 - on: 25.08.2009 at 01:54 [UT+1] »I find that the lunar return totally complements the solar return and can incredibly assist in pinpointing the
focus for the month.

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Ex Member« Reply #6 - on: 25.08.2009 at 03:45 [UT+1] »I also look from lunar return's when axis are same as solar return's 'cause that is usually time when action
happens. Also if something points out, I had last month B highlighted on every chart, in solar return it's
conjunt natal DC in 11th and lunar had DC m natal B, so many new people in my life suddenly.
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« Reply #7 - on: 25.08.2009 at 06:45 [UT+1] »I have mixed feelings about it. This month I won $2,000 jackpot at the casino and I thought it would be
obvious from the lunar return, but other than the LR Moon in the 5th, unaspected and maverick... meh! Hereit is, for your educational purposes --along with a CONVERSE Lunar Return, going backwards in time,
which I had read Celeste Teal talk about... now the Converse has the New Moon on the 8th cusp, which makes
sense to me as well.

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« Reply #8 - on: 25.08.2009 at 06:57 [UT+1] »do you change your location from birth location - to current location for lunar and solar returns?

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« Reply #9 - on: 25.08.2009 at 13:56 [UT+1] »Hi dog, you don't think Uranus on the MC being the ruler of Jupiter in the 8th in your lunar return is significant
in your winnings? I would definitely be comparing it to the natal chart to see what is being activated by the
lunar return there as well. I haven't used the converse returns (or progressions) but I know a lot of people findthem very informative.
Hi Karen, I use the location where the return takes place for both lunar and solar returns, but I know otherpeople use the same location as the natal chart. Try them both and see what works for you.
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Gender:This month I have a grand cross in late mutable involving Mercury, Saturn, Mars and Uranus with Pluto at 0 Cap
as the 4th point of the cross. I think this month will be a precursor to the upcoming cardinal climax happening
next year. I think that although this will be an active months with Gemini rising and Mars in the 1st I must
focus on home and taking time for myself with the sun in the 4th. I did already attend an astrology conference
during this lunar return month, perhaps that is shown by moon in the 3rd (I drove to Chicago for the
conference) plus Uranus in the 11th accidentally dignified by house. I am also planning to introduce myparents to my boyfriend next weekend, perhaps that is Saturn conjunct Mercury with Mercury ruling the 5th.
Having Jupiter angular is a blessing, even with the tension I think this shall be a good month.

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« Reply #10 - on: 25.08.2009 at 14:30 [UT+1] »This seems like an important lunar, as the B is in an angular house
My approach to life is fixed, so no important sudden changes, I guess?
New ruler of the rising sign, doesn't make any in sign aspects...
Old ancient ruler in the 8th house... so an 8th house, Scorpio theme chart, but Mercury also very important (onthe Mc in own sign)
Sun is in the 9th... house of higher education, travelling... have a few reexaminations at university... EqApJ

B in 10... everyone sees my emotions (?)... mC... I talk a lot about them?... mG... or not? emotional
hindrances?
(Bm)CqDsI... a yod... C rules the 10th (and 8th) here, I the 4th, D the 7th and 11th and it's in the
3rd... So 3 angular houses are involved
Natally I do have a virgo rising... here virgo on the Midheaven
D is near my Mercury (22d43)
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« Reply #11 - on: 25.08.2009 at 14:39 [UT+1] »Here's the next lunar...

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« Reply #12 - on: 26.08.2009 at 09:22 [UT+1] »Interesting subject Querian.
Here's mine for next month - I suspect it'll be a bit of a challenge!
Cardinal angles, grand cross on the planets on angles:
ND on LR Asc (exact), LR E close to LR IC and N K, LR J m LR MC, LR Dsc m #LR C (exact)

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Plus my LR A is m NJ (exact) sitting in 6th with LR CGVx Fortuna - sounds like hard work
LR B sits intercepted in 12th - all my N planets AEGBN sit in LR 12th with conjunctions from BOFNI- umm - I think next month maybe facing some demons.
LR Chart ruler E is involved in grand cross, with NK and LR MC - so energy is key - I think it's available
mental and nervous energy (c9th) and challenging (grand cross) so it should pull through. Hurrah!
and LR G is s /n my LR 12th planets, and my natal 4th/5th planets exact in some cases - hard
work...................
I don't like those intercepted 6th/12th - somethings not straightforward.
All those exact aspects must be important.
.................so that must be connected with work (AGf6th), where I'm at a critical stage on some research(LR A m N J exact) and I'm going to have to make some decisions about how and with whom I'm working, andI suspect it'll be tougher and require more work (a battle of rationality (k) and sensitivity (l)?) than I've
currently allowed for - well, I'm glad I looked at the return now! Preparation is good.
Hah - I looked at this months, and my LR #Asc is exact m N I in h - hmm lack of clarity in research - that's
about right - and LR D on N K I think must mean I have creativity (or love?) to pull me through to the rightplace.
I haven't looked at LRs for a few years - I think that I should pay more attention.
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« Reply #13 - on: 26.08.2009 at 14:16 [UT+1] »Hi Chaos and rookish, looks like you both have an important month this month! I actually ran a few lunar
returns for myself and some friends and the astrological weather right now is pretty difficult so we are all seeingthat reflected in our lunar returns.
Chaos, that 10th house emphasis this month is strong! My boyfriend's moon is at 25 Virgo but it looks likeyours is a little later and will be a bit harder hit with GnO ... good luck and I think this month is a good gauge
for you on getting a handle on that upcoming transit.
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Gender:rookish, you do have a tense month, too, and with the 12th house emphasis I hope you have some time toescape from it all, too! And with Pluto on the angle! That 6th house is interesting, espeically how the part of
fortune is conjunct Saturn... got to do the 6th house and Saturn work to make this month fortunate, I think!
Things happen and I look to my lunar return to see if it is written there ... as you might know I want to moveto San Francisco with my boyfriend but after looking into it I have decided I need to wait until spring to saveup and be more prepared for the move. I was nervous about talking to him and telling him about my need todelay our move to be more financially secure but we talked last night and he is wonderfully dedicated to me
and supportive and being with me is much more important to him than moving right away. My concerns areprimarily financial and have to do with the home I own here in Detroit. So the lunar return shows Jupiter (mylover) at the apex of a yod involving Venus-Saturn (financial stability) plus it also shows the ruler of my 4th in
the 4th, that's me staying at home for now, I think.

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« Reply #14 - on: 26.08.2009 at 19:27 [UT+1] »QuerianThanks for reacting...
Here's also an important lunar, this one was on love matters... (2009)
Last year was mainly a 'dry spell'speak...

and since new year this year came, women came from all around... so to

In that month I learnt knowing two women... one I was quickliy involved with, but she wanted it more seriously
than meThe other one I contacted after me and the first one broke up
It seems to be reflected in this lunar partly
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« Reply #15 - on: 27.08.2009 at 14:27 [UT+1] »Hi Chaos, that's really interesting! The moon-Venus opposition (which woman do you want) with Jupiter trinemoon!
And even more interesting because it is nearly the same lunar cycle under which I met my current boyfriend. I
wondered if our meeting was reflected in that lunar after seeing yours, here it is:
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moon as the focus). My natal Mercury (ruling the 1st in my natal) is at 11 l and my DSC is at 19 l so here
LR Uranus could show a change in relationship status. This is also right after my Jupiter return as natal Jupiteris at 29j.
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« Reply #16 - on: 27.08.2009 at 14:35 [UT+1] »So there are also connection of angles in your lunar and angles in your natal chart?
My natal rising is not far from the rising in the janaury 2009 lunar
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« Reply #17 - on: 27.08.2009 at 15:37 [UT+1] »Chaos and Querian, the similarities of your LR charts when romance came into your lives is uncannily similar!
Two months ago I suddenly became very happy, lighthearted and cheerful all the time, yes, all the time...
It seems that F has been on my LR ASC and now in 1H...

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I find my coming October chart very interesting:This one is LR for 1st Oct 09:
I see my B at the ASC, and scarily enough, the orb exactly m my natal B in the same sign, except natal is in
9H. I checked out my LR for Nov 09, the houses has changed but the orb and sign remains the same as natal I wonder should this mean???
October seems like an important month with the stellium of FIN m MC and nD at IC.
Now I'm getting nervous... *biting nails*

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« Reply #18 - on: 27.08.2009 at 15:50 [UT+1] »Quote from Chaos on 27.08.2009 at 14:35 [UT+1]:
So there are also connection of angles in your lunar and angles in your natal chart?
My natal rising is not far from the rising in the janaury 2009 lunar

No, but the GnO in the LR is on my Asc-Dsc axis.

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« Reply #19 - on: 27.08.2009 at 15:51 [UT+1] »Quote from Sailormoon on 27.08.2009 at 15:37 [UT+1]:
Chaos and Querian, the similarities of your LR charts when romance came into your lives is uncannily similar!
Two months ago I suddenly became very happy, lighthearted and cheerful all the time, yes, all the time...
It seems that

F has been on my LR ASC and now in 1H...

I find my coming October chart very interesting:This one is LR for 1st Oct 09:

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for Nov 09, the houses has changed but the orb and sign remains the same as natal - I wonder should this mean???
October seems like an important month with the stellium of

FIN m MC and nD at IC.

Now I'm getting nervous... *biting nails*

I wouldn't be too nervous about this one ... you have BDF on the angles, it's hard to imagine what could bebetter!
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« Reply #20 - on: 27.08.2009 at 16:00 [UT+1] »Querian,come to think of it since you put it this way, sounds like 'fun' or 'extremely pleasant' month, maybe also a verylaid-back time - perhaps not so good since I'm trying to start up my own work project to do philosophy withchildren... but oh well
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The F effect really works wonders in the 1st house shown by the LR, I could remember myself really out of asudden one fine day feeling very bright and happy and ever since I've been feeling like this everyday.
Thanks Querian for starting this thread!

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« Reply #22 - on: 27.08.2009 at 18:59 [UT+1] »I have just started delving into Lunar Returns. They are truly amazing.
I have been wanting to leave my job for a while and interviewing for the last 2 months. I wen ton two
interviews for a project manager position and was told yesterday (the day before this lunar return) that they
are strongly considering another candidate and they want to push my into being considered for an Analyst
position - which I am good at but find boring. I am still hoping for the Project Manager job - it is not
TECHNICALLY filled yet and someone in Horary told me I'd get it
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This lunar return looks like SOMETHING is changing with job/work. Orbs are reduced 75%. How would you
interpret this reurn? Do you think I'd get another job this month?
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« Reply #23 - on: 27.08.2009 at 19:00 [UT+1] »Natal with transits

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« Reply #24 - on: 27.08.2009 at 20:20 [UT+1] »Quote from CancerLadie on 27.08.2009 at 18:59 [UT+1]:
I have just started delving into Lunar Returns. They are truly amazing.
I have been wanting to leave my job for a while and interviewing for the last 2 months. I wen ton two interviews for a project manager
position and was told yesterday (the day before this lunar return) that they are strongly considering another candidate and they want topush my into being considered for an Analyst position - which I am good at but find boring. I am still hoping for the Project Manager job it is not TECHNICALLY filled yet and someone in Horary told me I'd get it
This lunar return looks like SOMETHING is changing with job/work. Orbs are reduced 75%. How would you interpret this reurn? Do you
think I'd get another job this month?

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« Reply #25 - on: 27.08.2009 at 20:32 [UT+1] »Quote from Querian on 27.08.2009 at 20:20 [UT+1]:
Quote from CancerLadie on 27.08.2009 at 18:59 [UT+1]:
I have just started delving into Lunar Returns. They are truly amazing.
I have been wanting to leave my job for a while and interviewing for the last 2 months. I wen ton two interviews for a
project manager position and was told yesterday (the day before this lunar return) that they are strongly considering
another candidate and they want to push my into being considered for an Analyst position - which I am good at but findboring. I am still hoping for the Project Manager job - it is not TECHNICALLY filled yet and someone in Horary told me I'd
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Gender:This lunar return looks like SOMETHING is changing with job/work. Orbs are reduced 75%. How would you interpret thisreurn? Do you think I'd get another job this month?
I think the moon on the MC shows a strong desire to find another job.

DESIRE - yes, but I'm hoping for it to happen as well! I was thinking maybe O would have a hand here
Also all 3 T square planets are at 0 degree!
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« Reply #26 - on: 28.08.2009 at 13:41 [UT+1] »There is a primarily mutable grand cross in the angular houses in my current lunar return chart and so far I'm
having a lot of problems getting any traction ... I feel like I am spinning my wheels! There are so many things
I want to do this month but nothing seems to be getting underway.
Hopefully this weekend I can start getting some things done!

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« Reply #27 - on: 28.08.2009 at 19:02 [UT+1] »During this LR I at last me in person with someone I was in contact with for 1,5 year. I was rather reserved
before we met. But it seems a relationship in at its beginning. He has travelled here (Greece) from Australia tosettle some things with his siblings about their mother will afte her death. I think that in this LR the beginningof a new cycle is evident.

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« Reply #28 - on: 28.08.2009 at 19:04 [UT+1] »By looking in the next LR what would you say? Will this relationship conticue? Are prospects favourable?

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« Reply #29 - on: 28.08.2009 at 19:05 [UT+1] »LR + Natal

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« Reply #30 - on: 28.08.2009 at 20:54 [UT+1] »Quote from KateM12 on 28.08.2009 at 19:04 [UT+1]:
By looking in the next LR what would you say? Will this relationship conticue? Are prospects favourable?

I think so, with Venus and Jupiter angular.

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« Reply #31 - on: 28.08.2009 at 22:26 [UT+1] »Thank you Querian

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Sailormoon
Member« Reply #32 - on: 29.08.2009 at 06:13 [UT+1] »Kate, I like your chart too.
I like it how D at ASC and B close to MC are in fire signs a & e: good for initiating something.
Not to mention of course that nice F and K at DSC.
I sure hope something blossom for you! I've saw your posting before in Syzygy's thread, she thought too thatyour chart looks promising.
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« Reply #33 - on: 29.08.2009 at 10:37 [UT+1] »Hi Sailormoon
Thank you very much for your reply. It is really encouraging
The truth is that this year's SR has indications of a significant relationship. But you know what these things arelike.... you never know before you see...
. And though we were in contact for 1,5 year, I didn't really think
this person would be the one. However, when we met and we spent a whole 24 hour together, I really enjoyed
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now I wonder whether all this is going to continue....

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Member« Reply #34 - on: 30.08.2009 at 14:08 [UT+1] »Quote from Querian on 12.08.2009 at 21:56 [UT+1]:
Here is my method, in brief:First look at Asc, is it cardinal, fixed or mutable? This shows your approach for the month.
Next look at chart ruler, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Next look at sun, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Next look at moon, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Finally, look to see if any planets or points fall on important spots in your natal chart.
Note: when I say any tight aspects I am really only looking at conjuncts within 2 degrees, maybe other notable aspects but trying to keep
it as simple as possible.
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Thanks for posting such a simple, useful analysis!
I often find that the biggest problem with knowing too many astrological techniques is that the information canbecome overwhelming and it isn't clear how to prioritize what we have. Your simple list makes it possible toextract meaning out of the lunar return at the level at which it is useful.
I just looked at a few past LRs and did find them informative viewed through knowledge of what had happened.
It will be interesting to me to see if I can use that knowledge predictively--which is always harder.
My next return has an Asc almost identical to my natal chart, which means that it puts the planets where they
are by transit. Not sure what to make of that, but in a month, I'll know.

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« Reply #35 - on: 01.09.2009 at 15:31 [UT+1] »Quote from Jenny B on 30.08.2009 at 14:08 [UT+1]:
Quote from Querian on 12.08.2009 at 21:56 [UT+1]:
Here is my method, in brief:First look at Asc, is it cardinal, fixed or mutable? This shows your approach for the month.
Next look at chart ruler, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Next look at sun, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Next look at moon, house it occupies, any tight aspects
Finally, look to see if any planets or points fall on important spots in your natal chart.
Note: when I say any tight aspects I am really only looking at conjuncts within 2 degrees, maybe other notable aspects but

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Q

Thanks for posting such a simple, useful analysis!
I often find that the biggest problem with knowing too many astrological techniques is that the information can become overwhelming andit isn't clear how to prioritize what we have. Your simple list makes it possible to extract meaning out of the lunar return at the level atwhich it is useful.
I just looked at a few past LRs and did find them informative viewed through knowledge of what had happened. It will be interesting to
me to see if I can use that knowledge predictively--which is always harder.
My next return has an Asc almost identical to my natal chart, which means that it puts the planets where they are by transit. Not surewhat to make of that, but in a month, I'll know.

Glad it worked for you!
I also find that it is really easy to over-complicate things. By keeping it simple one can get a precise overview
of the month without getting too caught up in all the details.
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