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Ouroboros, Images, Icons in Astrology« on: 21.08.2009 at 17:01 [UT+1] »This post has been significantly changed since anyone read it this morning.
The motherfluxus of confused symbologies, images and icons in Astrology warrants a study.
Having just sorted through pre-A-signed AUTHOR-I-Tie of j's status quo Sign ~ G and arranged it into asuitable (for me) 'add-mix' of hard/angular/crux/masculine idiotisms with soft/spiraling/serpentine feminine unequal-it-eyes that I can 'live with' I am attempting now, to sort through serpentine symbolism, beginningwith the OUROBorOS. (We all already know EX-act-lie what 'cross' means I trust).....at least, we have a fine example in szyzzzyyy wink's fuming anger abilities fire spouting serpy that she is..

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I have read that the serpent is a metaphor for the (apparently) spiraling path or coiling of the sun around theviewer on Earth, 365 turns in each year. Six months spiraling northward to Winter Solstice, six months
southward to the Summer solsticial point.
Perhaps this is how the power of the SUN came to be equated with fear/authority - these relating, in Astrology,
to the status quo symbols, AGj
But I must note here, that the Earth is really turning about the Sun, making this 'movement' of the Sun then,into a mere 'apparition'.
I must note, that the Moon is the skybody which actually does turn about the Earth, so perhaps this is why
astrological B was deemed to be a feminine, 'mothering' body....tending her Earthen Child? And since 'she' B
is/was erroneously equated with only the dark, night, black, void, disappearing, unseen, qualities ...perhaps thisis how Woman herself became NEGATED and denied any 'rationality' of her own, and became a sub-servi-ent to
the hard, driving, burning, reliable, predictable, even courses of the A or Son of God and He-ave-n.
Also I note, that many modern city-dwellers do not seem to realise that the Moon is not a creature of thenight...au contraire (as B is), Moon turns about the Earth in an erratic spiral cycle of her own, and sometimes
disappears from the sidereal sky altogether in her 'dark moon' or BML phase, a fact that the 'cross' does not
like, because the Cross likes to NAIL things down hard and then impose its Angles and Angels or Aramaic
language control-Mecca-n-isms.
The world's most ancient art depicts coiling serpents and dragons, symbols often attached to FEAR - this fear
probably engendered by the inability of early mankind to nail things down adequately into the nice little boxes
and packages of byte-sized info - dot/dash or 0/1...that enables man's dear doe-minion over Nature.
More on Ouroboros to follow later.
MyriosP.S. added later.
The sculptural imagery most striking for me, is that of a serpent wrapped around an egg.
But wait a minute. there are two spirals. AB ...so two spiraling serpents twined about an egg - the egg being
Earth, or "axis mundi" ...
Now you can go ogle http://www.crystalinks.com/ouroborus.html
or for spookyty stuff at

http://www.chimerra.com.oroimages.html

for associations to the elements
http://www.geocities.com/bweatherby/bw_symbols.html#elements

But I have not found the eggy images with snakes around them online yet.
I have also seen imagery of the sun god Mithras with a lion's head and a large snake wound around his body,which bears the signs of the zodiac.
Roman and Persian military cults depict the young sun god Mithras killing a bull along a serpent path. A central
axis controls the zodiac. It is, of course, PHALLIC.
Contrasting in my mind with this, is Junge's notations respecting a patients 'dream' of the Sun grinning in thesky with an enormous penis swinging back and forth, like a pendulum.
God the Sun and un-hole-y regulus-Ate-n-ken-a-ten ....so hmmm

Broodings. Sun & Moon are separate serpents in their own cycles and rites,
Each equally valuable to the child Earth, who depends on father/provider of sunlight and mother /provider forher magnetic pull on oceans, tides, rivers, rainmaking events, etc. and providing the 'manna' which the childsucks into it-self from the very birth moment...but wait
- this nursing the first 'whey' rite was excised by 'modern' med-cine-complex-titis,,, and is it denied mothers
still? - If we were more 'natural' in our 'nursing' baby practices might we all not be more autonomously systemically happier?
(National Geographic has a wonderful movie about the importance of the Moon to the survival of Life-ALL life-

on the planet).
I love mummified B and dandified A ae-squally...
I'm sure there's probably more to come...but as sis szys sais, i haff a life u know...
wink,nod,
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Re: Ouroboros, Images, Icons in Astrology« Reply #1 - on: 22.08.2009 at 20:00 [UT+1] »Sorry two links don't work in the o/p. Hope this works better. Seems to. Crystalinks is well worth visiting...itcan keep you busy a long time on this imagery.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ouroboros.html
http://www.chimerra.com/oroimages.html

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Member« Reply #2 - on: 26.08.2009 at 00:52 [UT+1] »Myrios - that bit of discussion on the mad mutter thread about the ouroborus is interesting.... i was drawn tothat symbol decades ago from the instant i first saw it - i have very little experience with reading Jung in any
depth - i'm not a therapist and i have not undergone therapy - so what i am sharing is based on personalunderstanding.
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Gender:my take on the ouroborus is that its a symbol for what we need to do as humans to find wholeness and renewal- the head of the snake is injesting and digesting its own tail. our higher mental capabilities carry an enormous
potential for self deception around our lower emotional realities - our fears and instincts . when we ingest - anddigest - our darkest emotional facets instead of projecting them - we are regenerated.
knowledge grows and accumulates around emotional wounding and creates a fragmentation - a split with in us.
that split in turn becomes our reality and reference - our value system - as well as the foundation of ourexperience and the basis of perception. the fragmented split and our accumulated knowledge based on it isruthlessly self perpetuating. the way back into a less fragmented state is painful and involves a recapitulation
and release of wounds, fear, and accumulated knowledge. i am not so sure that our thinking actually creates
reality - our fear based thinking definitely creates a lot of problems in external reality - but there seems to beanother reality - another source of motivation, intuition, and inspiration - that does not fragment us andaccumulate as knowledge and experience. that other reality attends to us according to the degree to which wedigest our pain instead of inflicting it upon others - hence the transformation and renewal associated with the
ouroborus.
astrologically i suspect the uroborus is connected to the juncture between the 12 th and 1st houses - and i am
not sure if the first house is the head - or the tail.....

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Re: Ouroboros, Images, Icons in Astrology« Reply #3 - on: 26.08.2009 at 16:26 [UT+1] »There is a strong energy of entrapment and repetitiveness. You could say completeness and renewal, but it justcompletes and renews to repeat the same thing.
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Re: Ouroboros, Images, Icons in Astrology« Reply #4 - on: 27.08.2009 at 18:23 [UT+1] »Quote from Don M on 26.08.2009 at 00:52 [UT+1]:
Myrios - that bit of discussion on the mad mutter thread about the ouroborus is interesting.... i was drawn to that symbol decades ago
from the instant i first saw it - i have very little experience with reading Jung in any depth - i'm not a therapist and i have not undergone
therapy - so what i am sharing is based on personal understanding.
my take on the ouroborus is that its a symbol for what we need to do as humans to find wholeness and renewal - the head of the snake isinjesting and digesting its own tail. our higher mental capabilities carry an enormous potential for self deception around our lower
emotional realities - our fears and instincts . when we ingest - and digest - our darkest emotional facets instead of projecting them - weare regenerated.
knowledge grows and accumulates around emotional wounding and creates a fragmentation - a split with in us. that split in turn becomesour reality and reference - our value system - as well as the foundation of our experience and the basis of perception. the fragmented
split and our accumulated knowledge based on it is ruthlessly self perpetuating. the way back into a less fragmented state is painful andinvolves a recapitulation and release of wounds, fear, and accumulated knowledge. i am not so sure that our thinking actually creates
reality - our fear based thinking definitely creates a lot of problems in external reality - but there seems to be anotherreality - another source of motivation, intuition, and inspiration - that does not fragment us andaccumulate as knowledge and experience. that other reality attends to us according to the degree to which we digest our pain instead ofinflicting it upon others - hence the transformation and renewal associated with the ouroborus.
astrologically i suspect the uroborus is connected to the juncture between the 12 th and 1st houses - and i am not sure if the first house is
the head - or the tail.....

Don, perhaps the "other reality" you refer to here, is a reality inherent within each 'soul' at birth, so if we canfind any way to retain that innate birth-right intact, then we can remain on a natural continuum of 'whole-ness'- one we never leave, by some act of good fortune? - so....it is only through our dis-inheritance - or thestealing of our 'soul', if you will, that we are once-removed from the 'inherent continuum of the naturalborn soul' ...if that is not too ponderous a descript.
I am arguing that this split in our consciousness is a cause-effect relationship, introduced by a trojan Horse wecall language.
I am not sure where you are placing the 12th/ 1st house junctures on the zodiac ...It would be an obviatedjuncture at 1/12th, where first house then denotes the 'head' which begins, determines, and defines then,where the 'tail' must end ... and from my pov, astrologers still can't settle amongst themselves, which end isup...in a manner of speaking
If 'head' is a metaphor for 'first thrust' in Spring, then it might be argued that that first moment occurs (in myneck of the woods) February 14, when the crocuses burst into bloom?
Or are we speaking of the Sun's 'first thrust' into the new year at January 1st ? Or at its 'turn' towards Springat the climax of its southward spiral on December 22/23 Winter Solstice?
Where is the Sun's 'first thrust' point? When does "Summer" begin? end? What does the 'summer solstitial'
point represent in the fruitful season? Certainly NOT the end....harvest continues long into October where I
live....
I think we can look at the Ur-uboros with some suspicion, as a 'metaphor' already 'mixed up' in its true source
and meaning.
And the reason anyone should care, is that we are still endlessly repeating the 'ruthless repetition' of a metaphor-ism which has unbalanced not only our external world, but our internal, psychological, and emotional, andphysical lives, as well.
The language itself, then, is the mechanism or tool that engenders the 'claus-tro-phobic'...
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Re: Ouroboros, Images, Icons in Astrology« Reply #5 - on: 28.08.2009 at 09:29 [UT+1] »yes Myrios ! - language is an effect of the loss of soul. we have fallen into our minds and out of touch with souland the essence of life.

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Re: Ouroboros, Images, Icons in Astrology« Reply #6 - on: 29.08.2009 at 17:27 [UT+1] »Language affects the loss of soul ... is how I would put it.
I'm not used to anyone agreeing with me Don... careful...I may presume I am being understood by someone...

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Re: Ouroboros, Images, Icons in Astrology« Reply #7 - on: 02.09.2009 at 17:15 [UT+1] »Quote from Don M on 28.08.2009 at 09:29 [UT+1]:
yes Myrios ! - language is an effect of the loss of soul. we have fallen into our minds and out of touch with soul and the essence of life.

I've been reading John Harland's "Word Controlled Humans", 1981, this morning. Am only half way into its
113 pages, but he makes a very cogent exposition of the 'serpent' or dragon or ouroborous as a word system
for social control of the world, exposing the historical facts and methods by which the 'serpent' came into
being.
In China, a 'dragon' with five toes - was a "proper noun" for the ruling "body politic". The Persian 'dragon' hada cloven hoof ...(maybe that's why the Hebrews reject eating anything with a cloven hoof?)
The Bible uses the term 'serpent' most often, but Revelations also uses 'dragon' interchangeably ' todesignate the same thing that is currently called "body politic" ' - pg 31.
Harland's concern is with the word conditioning that dominates America and Europe, and the need forhumanity to clear the obstructions from its own eyes. His focus is on the 'civil' and 'religious' groups which
grow into powerful 'organisms' via the destruction of 'individual will' or 'soul' impetus.
Definitely a worthwhile read for anyone concerned with this problem.
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Re: Ouroboros, Images, Icons in Astrology« Reply #8 - on: 21.09.2009 at 23:15 [UT+1] »The second gilded shrine of Tutanankhamun contains the oldest known reference to Ouroboros, which appears
in an enigmatic Book of the Netherworld, untitled, but designated by a scholar as a "Kryptograph". All the
texts and names are in *enigmatic writing, with no translations into normal hieroglyphs. The normally written
portions of text scattered throughout all the registers stem from the Book Of The Dead. ( *n.b. Enigmatic
Writing is a form of writing in which some hieroglyphs have been substituted by others, to completely change
the meaning of a passage).

"The head and the feet of the huge divine figure are each surrounded by an ouroborus-serpent, which in eachcase is called Mehen; this is the earliest known representation of the ouroboros, and the entire figure, with its
captions, refers to the genesis and the end of time."
Reference; The Ancient Egyptian Books Of The Afterlife, Erik Hornung, translated from the German by David
Lorton, 1999, Cornell University Press.
Members of the Jungian school of psychoanalysis have shown attention to the Books of the Netherworld.
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