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divadeee
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Open marriage/relationships« on: 26.06.2017 at 03:19 [UT+1] »Hi,
I am just curious, are there certain planets or aspects that would lead a person to pursue an open marriage? I
know a Cancer sun (I know that doesn't mean much and I need to know the mars/venus/rising) that believes in
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Gender:this. Would the chart be Sag or Aries heavy?
Thank you

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Waybread

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #1 - on: 26.06.2017 at 04:36 [UT+1] »I don't think it would be sign-related. Mars and Venus are the sexy planets. The square can give a strong sex
drive. Then Jupiter is the planet of,"If a little is good, a lot is better." Jupiter would probably be linked by
aspect into both Mars and Venus.
I once read a chart for someone who had such a configuration, and I hinted that such people tend to bepolyamorous. She wasn't, and I think was slightly offended that I would suggest such a thing. But her
husband fooled around. I didn't see his chart, but there is sort of a rule in modern astrology that either you
display the core meanings of the planets in your own life, or else you attract people who do. Because the chart
will manifest in your life in some fashion.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #2 - on: 26.06.2017 at 05:47 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 26.06.2017 at 04:36 [UT+1]:
I didn't see his chart, but there is sort of a rule in modern astrology that either you display the core meanings of the planets in your own
life, or else you attract people who do. Because the chart will manifest in your life in some fashion.

This is intriguing! Is it only a modern concept in astrology? Any traditional texts mention this?
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #3 - on: 26.06.2017 at 07:30 [UT+1] »Venus - Uranus, Mars - Uranus, or Jupiter aspects.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #4 - on: 26.06.2017 at 11:55 [UT+1] »My chart has all of those things

i B/AscDl, Ed, Oh in a Grand Trine
Fc conjunct DC
However the other chart placements that negate that are:Posts: 8991
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Ed, Jg, [j in a T-Square
Ge in 8th
Md in 7th
So emphatically NOT into open marriages
Then again, I'm not into ANY marriage in general

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divadeee

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #5 - on: 26.06.2017 at 16:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 26.06.2017 at 04:36 [UT+1]:
I don't think it would be sign-related. Mars and Venus are the sexy planets. The square can give a strong sex drive. Then Jupiter is theplanet of,"If a little is good, a lot is better." Jupiter would probably be linked by aspect into both Mars and Venus.
I once read a chart for someone who had such a configuration, and I hinted that such people tend to be polyamorous. She wasn't, and I

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Gender:think was slightly offended that I would suggest such a thing. But her husband fooled around. I didn't see his chart, but there is sort of arule in modern astrology that either you display the core meanings of the planets in your own life, or else you attract people who do.
Because the chart will manifest in your life in some fashion.

This is fascinating! I am curious about text on it as well. So this means one would be able to tell from my chart
if I attracted this person? Would it be too much to ask if I could show you mine?
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divadeee
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #6 - on: 26.06.2017 at 16:45 [UT+1] »Quote from Lilith616 on 26.06.2017 at 07:30 [UT+1]:
Venus - Uranus, Mars - Uranus, or Jupiter aspects.

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Gender:I had a feeling Uranus might be involved somehow

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #7 - on: 26.06.2017 at 16:58 [UT+1] »Venus in paran to fixed star Rigel is said to be "Not restrained by social opinions on ethics, relationships or
religious issues."

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divadeee
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #8 - on: 26.06.2017 at 18:59 [UT+1] »Quote from Mockblumen on 26.06.2017 at 16:58 [UT+1]:
Venus in paran to fixed star Rigel is said to be "Not restrained by social opinions on ethics, relationships or religious issues."

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Gender:Thank you for your response! Would this be for the chart I just posted (mine) or the aspect to look for in theother person's?

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #9 - on: 27.06.2017 at 02:38 [UT+1] »Venus square Neptune, a lot of planets in Leo in a woman's chart, a lot of planets in the 5th House (naturalenergy of Leo), in my experience.

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Waybread
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #10 - on: 27.06.2017 at 07:15 [UT+1] »divadee-- I wish I could remember where I read that either you express what is in your chart, whether positively
or negatively; or else you suppress and deny some portion of it as being unaccepted. In which case, the chart
will "out" in some fashion, so you tend to attract people who seemingly manifest the unwanted planetaryenergies. This latter bit can get kind of Jungian. If something isn't OK within ourselves we tend to split it off
from our conscious selves as "shadow material" which we then project onto someone else.
I'm guessing it was from Liz Greene or one of her associates, but I no longer recall. There's a bit of it in Jodie
Forrest, The Ascendant, which also has a lot on the 7th house cusp (descendant) as "the other" in our lives.
However, I think it's a really valuable concept in astrology.
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Gender:I shouldn't give the impression that there is just one astrological signature that works consistently. No doubt
there are other ways in which polyamory could show up.
But let's take the chart you've posted, and see what's up with Mars, Venus, and Jupiter.
Right away we notice the close Mars-Uranus-NN conjunction in Scorpio in the 12th house. Scorpio can get
pretty intense, and Mars is its traditional planetary ruler. We would call Mars in Scorpio "domiciled," which
gives it extra strength. In a heterosexual woman's chart, Mars can indicate the man she hopes to attract, or
does attract; as well as the ways in which she might initiate and pursue a relationship. In a man's chart, Mars
indicates his sexuality.
Obviously there are additional meanings to Mars. It rules surgeons, athletes, and soldiers, for instance. But ina conversation on open marriage, we can try the sexy part.
If we combine key words for Uranus and Mars, we might get something like "unusual or unconventional"
sexuality"--however we define "unusual." You can decide how you feel about that characterization: You? Or
Not You? The 12th house often indicates areas of our lives that are hidden to us, even though they might bereally obvious to others. So there might be something about that Mars-Uranus that is hard for you to accesswithin yourself.
Also, Mars makes a wide square to the moon, but really, the only close major planetary aspect that Mars makes
is to Uranus. So Mars will want to express itself unconventionally-- or in some other Uranian way. This isn't aneasy energy to handle, but with the NN in the mix, you've got to work with Mars-Uranus in some fashion,
because the NN shows where your growth lies.
Then Venus in Scorpio in the first house should make you decidedly attractive. With Mars as the sign ruler ofVenus, there's a loop back to Mars even though the two planets do not make a major aspect. With Libra on thecusp of your 12th house, Venus is the house ruler (or lord) of Mars's house. Jupiter comes into play because
Venus opposes Jupiter. With Taurus on your 7th house cusp, Venus is Jupiter's house cusp ruler. If your Jupiterretrograde has progressed back into Taurus, there's another link with Venus as the planetary ruler of Taurus.
Jupiter expresses the principle of expansion, so where sexuality is concerned,.... you get the picture.
I do think that each planetary placement has multiple possible expressions that are consistent with the chart.
If open marriage isn't your thing, there are many other ways to express your Venus, Mars, and Jupiterplacements. Choice-centered astrology is about identifying what some constructive expressions might be, andthen living into them.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #11 - on: 27.06.2017 at 13:29 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 27.06.2017 at 07:15 [UT+1]:
divadee-- I wish I could remember where I read that either you express what is in your chart, whether positively or negatively; or else
you suppress and deny some portion of it as being unaccepted. In which case, the chart will "out" in some fashion, so you tend to attract
people who seemingly manifest the unwanted planetary energies. This latter bit can get kind of Jungian. If something isn't OK within
ourselves we tend to split it off from our conscious selves as "shadow material" which we then project onto someone else.

Posts: 1419[highlight]I'm guessing it was from Liz Greene or one of her associates, but I no longer recall. There's a bit of it in Jodie Forrest, The
Ascendant, which also has a lot on the 7th house cusp (descendant) as "the other" in our lives. However, I think it's a really valuable
concept in astrology.[highlight]
I shouldn't give the impression that there is just one astrological signature that works consistently. No doubt there are other ways in whichpolyamory could show up.
But let's take the chart you've posted, and see what's up with Mars, Venus, and Jupiter.
Right away we notice the close Mars-Uranus-NN conjunction in Scorpio in the 12th house. Scorpio can get pretty intense, and Mars is its
traditional planetary ruler. We would call Mars in Scorpio "domiciled," which gives it extra strength. In a heterosexual woman's chart, Mars
can indicate the man she hopes to attract, or does attract; as well as the ways in which she might initiate and pursue a relationship. In a
man's chart, Mars indicates his sexuality.
Obviously there are additional meanings to Mars. It rules surgeons, athletes, and soldiers, for instance. But in a conversation on open
marriage, we can try the sexy part.
If we combine key words for Uranus and Mars, we might get something like "unusual or unconventional" sexuality"--however we define"unusual." You can decide how you feel about that characterization: You? Or Not You? The 12th house often indicates areas of our lives
that are hidden to us, even though they might be really obvious to others. So there might be something about that Mars-Uranus that is
hard for you to access within yourself.
Also, Mars makes a wide square to the moon, but really, the only close major planetary aspect that Mars makes is to Uranus. So Mars will
want to express itself unconventionally-- or in some other Uranian way. This isn't an easy energy to handle, but with the NN in the mix,
you've got to work with Mars-Uranus in some fashion, because the NN shows where your growth lies.
Then Venus in Scorpio in the first house should make you decidedly attractive. With Mars as the sign ruler of Venus, there's a loop back toMars even though the two planets do not make a major aspect. With Libra on the cusp of your 12th house, Venus is the house ruler (orlord) of Mars's house. Jupiter comes into play because Venus opposes Jupiter. With Taurus on your 7th house cusp, Venus is Jupiter's house
cusp ruler. If your Jupiter retrograde has progressed back into Taurus, there's another link with Venus as the planetary ruler of Taurus.
Jupiter expresses the principle of expansion, so where sexuality is concerned,.... you get the picture.
I do think that each planetary placement has multiple possible expressions that are consistent with the chart. If open marriage isn't yourthing, there are many other ways to express your Venus, Mars, and Jupiter placements. Choice-centered astrology is about identifying
what some constructive expressions might be, and then living into them.

Liz Greene speaks of the concept of "projection" often but especially in her book titled Relating. Projection isan ego defense mechanism of which there are several others including denial, repression, rationalization,
sublimation, regression, - I think there are a couple others I can't recall at the moment. These tend to operate
unconsciously until one has some sort of epiphany or goes to therapy where another person helps them see
how one's ego is deceiving them. These are all very common mechanisms in human psychology and I would
recommend that anyone attempting to practice astrology learn how they operate . After all if we are to counsel
human beings we need to truly understand human nature.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #12 - on: 27.06.2017 at 15:18 [UT+1] »There is an assumption that it's about cheating , which it can be the need for multiple partners but also it can
simply be the fact someone isn't interested in traditional forms of relationships and commitment.
So there is your marker , looking for unusual relationships and multiple partners.
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Gender:Sag or Gemini alone doesn't signify polygamy, and open relationships are very different from polygamy also .

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Aries Lady

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #13 - on: 27.06.2017 at 15:21 [UT+1] »https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1d6n5kbLg

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Mockblumen
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #14 - on: 27.06.2017 at 16:33 [UT+1] »Quote from divadeee on 26.06.2017 at 18:59 [UT+1]:
Quote from Mockblumen on 26.06.2017 at 16:58 [UT+1]:
Venus in paran to fixed star Rigel is said to be "Not restrained by social opinions on ethics, relationships or religious
issues."Thank you for your response! Would this be for the chart I just posted (mine) or the aspect to look for in the other person's?

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The latter. This website will give you two free readings. http://www.zyntara.com/free_paran_page.html

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #15 - on: 27.06.2017 at 17:33 [UT+1] »Quote from divadeee on 26.06.2017 at 03:19 [UT+1]:
Hi,
I am just curious, are there certain planets or aspects that would lead a person to pursue an open marriage? I know a Cancer sun (I knowthat doesn't mean much and I need to know the mars/venus/rising) that believes in this. Would the chart be Sag or Aries heavy?

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Thank you

I would say ceikl
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divadeee
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #16 - on: 27.06.2017 at 23:51 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 27.06.2017 at 07:15 [UT+1]:
divadee-- I wish I could remember where I read that either you express what is in your chart, whether positively or negatively; or else
you suppress and deny some portion of it as being unaccepted. In which case, the chart will "out" in some fashion, so you tend to attract
people who seemingly manifest the unwanted planetary energies. This latter bit can get kind of Jungian. If something isn't OK within
ourselves we tend to split it off from our conscious selves as "shadow material" which we then project onto someone else.

Posts: 121
Gender:I'm guessing it was from Liz Greene or one of her associates, but I no longer recall. There's a bit of it in Jodie Forrest, The Ascendant,
which also has a lot on the 7th house cusp (descendant) as "the other" in our lives. However, I think it's a really valuable concept inastrology.
I shouldn't give the impression that there is just one astrological signature that works consistently. No doubt there are other ways in whichpolyamory could show up.
But let's take the chart you've posted, and see what's up with Mars, Venus, and Jupiter.
Right away we notice the close Mars-Uranus-NN conjunction in Scorpio in the 12th house. Scorpio can get pretty intense, and Mars is its
traditional planetary ruler. We would call Mars in Scorpio "domiciled," which gives it extra strength. In a heterosexual woman's chart, Mars
can indicate the man she hopes to attract, or does attract; as well as the ways in which she might initiate and pursue a relationship. In a
man's chart, Mars indicates his sexuality.
Obviously there are additional meanings to Mars. It rules surgeons, athletes, and soldiers, for instance. But in a conversation on open
marriage, we can try the sexy part.
If we combine key words for Uranus and Mars, we might get something like "unusual or unconventional" sexuality"--however we define"unusual." You can decide how you feel about that characterization: You? Or Not You? The 12th house often indicates areas of our lives
that are hidden to us, even though they might be really obvious to others. So there might be something about that Mars-Uranus that is
hard for you to access within yourself.
Also, Mars makes a wide square to the moon, but really, the only close major planetary aspect that Mars makes is to Uranus. So Mars will
want to express itself unconventionally-- or in some other Uranian way. This isn't an easy energy to handle, but with the NN in the mix,
you've got to work with Mars-Uranus in some fashion, because the NN shows where your growth lies.
Then Venus in Scorpio in the first house should make you decidedly attractive. With Mars as the sign ruler of Venus, there's a loop back toMars even though the two planets do not make a major aspect. With Libra on the cusp of your 12th house, Venus is the house ruler (orlord) of Mars's house. Jupiter comes into play because Venus opposes Jupiter. With Taurus on your 7th house cusp, Venus is Jupiter's house
cusp ruler. If your Jupiter retrograde has progressed back into Taurus, there's another link with Venus as the planetary ruler of Taurus.
Jupiter expresses the principle of expansion, so where sexuality is concerned,.... you get the picture.
I do think that each planetary placement has multiple possible expressions that are consistent with the chart. If open marriage isn't yourthing, there are many other ways to express your Venus, Mars, and Jupiter placements. Choice-centered astrology is about identifying
what some constructive expressions might be, and then living into them.

Waybread, thank you SO much for your in depth response. And for the Venus/Scorpio in the first compliment
I hope it is true LOL

Also, you have responded to my posts before in the past which I truly appreciate.

I really think the unconventional part is what is making me so intrigued by this person. I have been wondering
if I am non-traditional after all and just don't want to or don't know how to deal with the social constructs. I
mean I do wonder about marriage but then I know I don't need that to make me feel fulfilled. But, I also don't
know how I would handle an open relationship myself (cue the stereotypes about scorpio and my scorp heavy
chart LOL). I am also going to try to figure out my Jupiter retrograde. If expansion is the case there, and thisdefinitely is new to me, then that makes sense.

I plan to get this person's time and place of birth so I may reach back out on this thread
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divadeee

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #17 - on: 27.06.2017 at 23:54 [UT+1] »Quote from Nikki. on 27.06.2017 at 15:18 [UT+1]:
There is an assumption that it's about cheating , which it can be the need for multiple partners but also it can simply be the fact someone
isn't interested in traditional forms of relationships and commitment.
So there is your marker , looking for unusual relationships and multiple partners.

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Gender:Sag or Gemini alone doesn't signify polygamy, and open relationships are very different from polygamy also .

Hi Nikki,In this instance, I actually don't think it is cheating. I do believe it is and understanding with one partner forthe nontraditional commitment
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #18 - on: 27.06.2017 at 23:54 [UT+1] »Quote from Aries Lady on 27.06.2017 at 15:21 [UT+1]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1d6n5kbLg

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Gender:THank you for this!

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divadeee

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #19 - on: 28.06.2017 at 00:07 [UT+1] »Quote from Mockblumen on 27.06.2017 at 16:33 [UT+1]:
Quote from divadeee on 26.06.2017 at 18:59 [UT+1]:
Quote from Mockblumen on 26.06.2017 at 16:58 [UT+1]:
Venus in paran to fixed star Rigel is said to be "Not restrained by social opinions on ethics, relationships orPosts: 121

religious issues."

Gender:Thank you for your response! Would this be for the chart I just posted (mine) or the aspect to look for in the otherperson's?

The latter. This website will give you two free readings. http://www.zyntara.com/free_paran_page.html

I will be sure to visit this site
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Linda Harris
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #20 - on: 28.06.2017 at 00:39 [UT+1] »So, Sarah,
Let me get this straight: you are attracted to a man who believes in open marriage. Is he married?
Have you ever "shared" a person with whom you were having a sexual relationship? Did you enjoy the
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experience and want more? Did you share it with a man or woman?'
Let us say you have never done this before. Have you thought that it is possible that "the idea is better than
the actual thing"?
Let us suppose you fell in love with the person.....but the other person did not feel the same way. What do you
think would happen?
Have you ever had a relationship that was a secret? Did you find that satisfying?
What if the open marriage "thing" was NOT a secret? Would you still like the idea?
I am very curious about this.
In my entire life, thru many romances and 2 marriages, and being very sensuous and very Uranian, and with
Neptune ruling my house of romance, I still would NOT under any circumstances, agree to this.
So of course I am intrigued.
I have a feeling that the "taboo" thing and the "secret" thing is necessary for this to be attractive.
You have both with Uranus conj Mars in the 12th. I wonder how long a woman could sustain this.
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divadeee

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #21 - on: 28.06.2017 at 01:49 [UT+1] »Hello Linda,
Attracted to, yes. It is a fascinating subject to me as it is new. I have not said that I have had any physicalcontact with this person, not sure I want to or that I would ever cross that line.
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Gender:I am intrigued to see how this person ticks and what makes their relationship work. It has awakened mycuriosity as far as my own beliefs about relationships. Period.
I am a secretive person, so I am sure this leads to my being curious as well.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #22 - on: 28.06.2017 at 02:11 [UT+1] »Well, it's funny. I mean funny strange.
My beliefs have nothing to do with my gut feeling and emotions about love and sex.

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I "believe" that that if a man and woman aren't compatible in general, perhaps adding more sexuality to themix would take their mind off their real issues - for a while.
I "believe" that people should be free to experiment with sex as long as it's legal and no one is attempting tohurt or manipulate the other.
I believe that by "adding" more people to the mix is odd because where would it stop? If screwing around withanother person while married is fun and sexy, why not 3? or 4? or a different one every week?
hmm....that's beginning to sound like addiction.
I also believe that a lot of people....probably both men and woman will do things and agree to things they
really aren't "into" in order to keep their marriage alive.
A lot of it is fantasy, denial and avoidance.
when thinking of a new way to live, it's always best to have the balance of facts.....and have the opinions ofmore than one person who has "gone that way".
Sort of like a cult - if you talk to the people in the cult, you get one opinion.
If you talk with people who have LEFT the cult....you get a whole other set of facts/opinions!!
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divadeee

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #23 - on: 28.06.2017 at 02:21 [UT+1] »that is what I mean. I agree with you that some people do whatever to keep their relationship alive and otherthings you said, but my curiosity lies with what makes them tick. That is why I asked about the planets or
aspects.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #24 - on: 28.06.2017 at 14:42 [UT+1] »Reading through this thread I knew I would read people mention things that show up in my chart.. When I was
single I thought monogamy didn't make much sense, but now that I am soon to be married I cant even think
about being with someone else, and the thought of my husband even looking at another woman kills me! No!
Just thinking about his past relationships feels like a punch to the gut!
Yet.. My chart reads of someone who would be more open and less possessive.. I havePosts: 1859

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Linda Harris

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #25 - on: 28.06.2017 at 23:26 [UT+1] »Mars conj Uranus in Sagi....lol...yeah...very uninhibited. But try to take something AWAY from the person withthat aspect....lol.....whoa!!
Unless it was your idea, of course.....then you would expect the other person to go along because....justbecause....
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LOL....
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Linda Harris
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #26 - on: 28.06.2017 at 23:32 [UT+1] »OK...Dividee,
You are attracted to this man or he is attracted to you and you know he believes in open marriage? I am still
confused about exactly what you want to know.

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IF you want to know why you are attracted to someone who believes in open marriage, then you have to show
HIS chart because what you feel with ONE person you may not feel with another.
It takes 2 people to live out a dynamic.
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Ex Member« Reply #27 - on: 29.06.2017 at 00:00 [UT+1] »Lainie, that's what I like about you - you're pragmatic!

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Linda Harris
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #28 - on: 29.06.2017 at 00:37 [UT+1] »Frankly, I"d like to be more charismatic and Neptunian because those people make out like bandits in this field.
If I were more vague and a bit dishonest I'd probably be extremely well off and have to fend off clients!!

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But....I'm stuck with my ethics.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #29 - on: 29.06.2017 at 00:44 [UT+1] »Pity there are not more Ethics in this world.
And if you're not aware of how neptune can operate and it's played out consciously or unconsciously, it canhave some pretty dire consequences on a practical everyday level. Of course if its awareness is manifest in
creative or spiritual activites and/or no thought for reward only a unifying connection then its rewards are
greater than the personal.

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wanderribee
Member« Reply #30 - on: 29.06.2017 at 00:53 [UT+1] »Quote from leigha9 on 28.06.2017 at 14:42 [UT+1]:
Reading through this thread I knew I would read people mention things that show up in my chart.. When I was single I thought monogamy
didn't make much sense, but now that I am soon to be married I cant even think about being with someone else, and the thought of myhusband even looking at another woman kills me! No! Just thinking about his past relationships feels like a punch to the gut!
Yet.. My chart reads of someone who would be more open and less possessive.. I have-

aA,D and DC
iEmO
DpO
My 5th house is ruled by

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My thoughts on this are that once any form of commitment is agreed to and particularly once HRH sex enters
into the picture (though not always ) then TRUST becomes an issue and this could open up a whole new threadon the spirituality of sex and how it can be the most freeing and creative physical act we can share with
intimacy and trust.

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divadeee

Member« Reply #31 - on: 29.06.2017 at 02:02 [UT+1] »Quote from Linda Harris on 28.06.2017 at 23:32 [UT+1]:
OK...Dividee,
You are attracted to this man or he is attracted to you and you know he believes in open marriage? I am still confused about exactly what
you want to know.

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Gender:IF you want to know why you are attracted to someone who believes in open marriage, then you have to show HIS chart because what
you feel with ONE person you may not feel with another.
It takes 2 people to live out a dynamic.
LainieHI again,
I said exactly why in my first posts LOL I want to know what makes someone like that tick, then what my chart
may be projecting to attract this person or behavior. Is it something that I have not yet faced in my own belief
system. I am a big "WHY" person. It's also why I posted in the psychological forum.
And I also said I would try to get further info for me to get his accurate chart and then I would post if I do getit.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #32 - on: 29.06.2017 at 02:05 [UT+1] »Quote from Linda Harris on 29.06.2017 at 00:37 [UT+1]:
Frankly, I"d like to be more charismatic and Neptunian because those people make out like bandits in this field.
If I were more vague and a bit dishonest I'd probably be extremely well off and have to fend off clients!!
But....I'm stuck with my ethics.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #33 - on: 29.06.2017 at 02:05 [UT+1] »Pat...
Yes....but both people would have to have the potential for spiritual growth....and also desire for it.
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In reality there is so much marrying without knowing if one is actually compatible with the prospective partnerthat it has become like a epidemic. Marrying for the sake of marrying. I just don't get it. It's always been truein some places and times, but no matter how many times I have seen this (and dealt with the fallout) I still
don't get the desperation.....to the point where I feel like we're back in Jane Austin's time....when it was almosta mortal sin to not marry or to marry late. And to them, marrying late was like 27 or some age like that....even
women who were younger were considered unmarryable because they were too old.
Yet MEN can wait till 45 or 50 and - no stigma. In fact, many other men can admire this in that type of man.
Avoiding marriage.
the ideal of marriage being a sacred and permanent "growing experience" .....is well, the Ideal! I personally
don't know any marriages like this. And I never have. I know long term relationships, but the people stayed
together Despite the fact that the marriage really didn't work very well.
It's a shame....and sad. And I could blame men...I'd love to blame men....but I know many lesbian
relationships that have the same dynamics.
I don't have an astrological answer in general because I don't do speculation without specific charts.
But even if I did, it would be individual and not as a "research project" because I never did this type of study.
Personally, I think of cheating as a defect of character. That is a personal opinion and not astrological.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #34 - on: 29.06.2017 at 02:36 [UT+1] »Agreed. I am lucky to have a great role model for marriage in my parents. Married 53 years today actually.
They have had ups and downs but I know they love each other to death and it's beautiful. They are a truebalance of each other.

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agree about marriage being a growing experience, as 2 people are literally growing up together and learningfrom each other daily.
I think this subject would be an interesting astrological study though. I am just SO curious about it because it
is not the "norm" I guess and non-traditional relationships seem to be getting more popular.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #35 - on: 29.06.2017 at 12:01 [UT+1] »Quote from Linda Harris on 29.06.2017 at 02:05 [UT+1]:
Pat...

Yes....but both people would have to have the potential for spiritual growth....and also desire forit.
Totally agree but once the deeper issues start to surface eg unspoken expectations then despite many compatabilities some are not able tobe resolved if only one is trying to grow. I htought I had found a soul mate whihc in many ways we were but my lack of knowledge at thetime and his total denial of any problem with him i the realtionship couldprobably have been avoided had we had charts read.
I found normal friendships also can have similar issues unless there is total honesty and respect for the other, which in my experience only
happens over time and commitment to a friendship and we all have different ideas of what friendship is. for me personally it is a desire to

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In reality there is so much marrying without knowing if one is actually compatible with the prospective partner that it has become like aepidemic. Marrying for the sake of marrying. I just don't get it. It's always been true in some places and times, but no matter how manytimes I have seen this (and dealt with the fallout) I still don't get the desperation.....to the point where I feel like we're back in Jane
Austin's time....when it was almost a mortal sin to not marry or to marry late. And to them, marrying late was like 27 or some age likethat....even women who were younger were considered unmarryable because they were too old.
Yet MEN can wait till 45 or 50 and - no stigma. In fact, many other men can admire this in that type of man.
Avoiding marriage.
the ideal of marriage being a sacred and permanent "growing experience" .....is well, the Ideal! I personally don't know any marriages likethis. And I never have. I know long term relationships, but the people stayed together Despite the fact that the marriage really didn't
work very well.
It's a shame....and sad. And I could blame men...I'd love to blame men....but I know many lesbian relationships that have the same
dynamics.
I don't have an astrological answer in general because I don't do speculation without specific charts.
But even if I did, it would be individual and not as a "research project" because I never did this type of study.
Personally, I think of cheating as a defect of character. That is a personal opinion and not astrological.
LainieI think there is a huge change needing to happen in people coming together but I have noticed that if people
do stay together and go through the problems often they find an acceptance and appreciation for theirrelationship. I'm talking now more of those in the 70's 80's age bracket many of whom grew up not knowing
how to communicate with each other and caught between the 'old' way and the more modern equal
relationship way which is still finding its feet.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #36 - on: 29.06.2017 at 19:38 [UT+1] »""I found normal friendships also can have similar issues unless there is total honesty and respect for the other,

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which in my experience only happens over time and commitment to a friendship and we all have different ideasof what friendship is. for me personally it is a desire to be able to communicate at a deep level or on ordinary
everyday events effecting me or the friend."
Real friendship, I think, is almost as rare as a great marriage! Both people have to be honest with their
feelings and both people have to be tolerant of the ways the friend differs from herself. Aside from having
many things in common and liking each other's company....which of course is vital.
But stress on one's 11th house can ruin friendships just like stress on the 7th or 8th can ruin marriages!!
ACCEPTANCE of the friend's quirks and eccentricities are very important.
And sometimes distance is important too....no matter how much we love a friend sometimes we need a break!
I was always "there" for my friends but I found early on that they weren't always there for me. It was very sadto learn this. My mother told me as a teen, "DON"T ever think ALL friends are like YOU."At that time I assumed all friendships WERE the same. And that if I trusted a friend and was there for a friend
it would be reciprocated. BUT ............I have NEPTUNE sitting on my 11th house. So I had some rude
awakenings regarding friendships over the years. I was never angry about it....just really sad.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #37 - on: 30.06.2017 at 00:19 [UT+1] »Quote from divadeee on 26.06.2017 at 03:19 [UT+1]:
Hi,
I am just curious, are there certain planets or aspects that would lead a person to pursue an open marriage? I know a Cancer sun (I knowthat doesn't mean much and I need to know the mars/venus/rising) that believes in this. Would the chart be Sag or Aries heavy?
Thank you

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Hi.. I have a tight m of DEO in e in the 3rd and don't see anything wrong with being polyamorous or inopen marriages. I have thought that as long as all people involved have a strong sense of self love and are kindand sensitive and open with others feelings that Love is then potentially intensified and experienced on a higher
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #38 - on: 30.06.2017 at 00:32 [UT+1] »To add to what I previously said... I have never been in an open or polyamorous relationship where all people
were happy with the status quo so it was a short lived experience. But the key to the success of such life styles
is the complete honesty of feelings and personal expectations with every individual involved. If everyone is'truly' comfortable and loving and giving and sharing of heart and body then it is just that much more lovegoing around. Jealousy usually makes such kinds of relationships nil and void!

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #39 - on: 30.06.2017 at 03:37 [UT+1] »Just to throw in a historical/cultural note, there are or have been numerous societies that sanctioned married
men having mistresses and married women having lovers, provided this was done discretely and within rules ofpropriety. France comes to mind, but actually back when I was doing the est/Landmark forum and workshops,
which were held in large cities; I vividly recall two middle-aged women who were long-term mistresses and one
young woman who was a daughter of one of them. The former mayor of Toronto and wealthy businessman Mel
Lastman got sued by the sons of his former mistress because they had grown up in seclusion and poverty while
he was worth millions.

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traditionally in parts of Africa and some Islamic cultures. While some women are miserable in these situations,others choose them. Scandinavia at least has the reputation of a more permissive view towards sexuality.
I applaud the morals of the group on this thread (which I share myself, as a committed monogamous married,)but I am simply making the point that there is another world out there that doesn't hold to our standards.
Put the question differently from their perspective: what astrologically would make a strictly monogamous
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #40 - on: 30.06.2017 at 15:00 [UT+1] »First, this: "Hi.. I have a tight m of DEO in e in the 3rd and don't see anything wrong with being polyamorous
or in open marriages. I have thought that as long as all people involved have a strong sense of self love and arekind and sensitive and open with others feelings that Love is then potentially intensified and experienced on ahigher vibration."
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I was going to ask you if you had been a wife....and had then become part of an open marriage.
OR.....were you someone who was NOT the wife who was part of this dynamic. I think it makes a difference.
Because I don't think you really know what it feels like until you are the one who was promised "keep thee only
unto her".
Polygamy: happy or not, people who enter into multiple marriage ARE married....within the religion or groupthey belong to. that, to me, is different from "open marriage."
BACK to Dividee: I think that most people who have a libido can theoretically fantasize about all sorts ofcombinations of sexuality. I don't think it takes any special astrological combination or planetary positions, etc.
It is when you are FACED with the reality that you will know.
IF you find that someone who believes in open marriage is attracted to you and has suggested one way or
another that he would like you to be part of this, then AT THAT TIME you are projecting something that allows
the person to think you might be interested. It could be curiosity, or something you aren't aware of. Youmight even be tempted....is that what is happening?
Because I don't think there is ANY way to absolutely STATE categorically that this or that person would besomeone who would find open marriage attractive and satisfying ...because MOST people are POSSESSIVE on
one level or another. Sharing our bodies is a VERY deeply personal experience and to think that in being partof an open marriage you could easily be REPLACED by some other woman arbitrarily is NOT something mostpeople find attractive. Would YOU find that attractive, Dividee?
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #41 - on: 30.06.2017 at 16:18 [UT+1] »Hi again Linda,
Nothing has been suggested. Nor am I considering being a part of anything. I am surprised by the attraction
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to me (hence my questioning me projecting something).
I agree about the possessive aspect to people, including myself with all of the scorpio in my chart
This truly was just a question about what astrologically may cause a person's belief/moral systems. And "whyme?"Nothing more, nothing less.
It has turned into an interesting discussion though.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #42 - on: 30.06.2017 at 16:26 [UT+1] »Hi Waybread,That is interesting too, "what astrologically would make a strictly monogamous person?"Posts: 121
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #43 - on: 30.06.2017 at 16:51 [UT+1] »Quote from divadeee on 30.06.2017 at 16:26 [UT+1]:
Hi Waybread,That is interesting too, "what astrologically would make a strictly monogamous person?"

O held in check with a p or o to G
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Ejjust off the top of my head for possibilities...
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #44 - on: 30.06.2017 at 22:11 [UT+1] »Great topic,
I was actually really surprised a few years ago to discover that a few of my friends who chose open relationships
and polyamory have a lot os Scorpio and water in the chart.
You would think possessive Scorpio wouldn't be happy there...It turns out, that one such friend formulated it
herself: " I find it hard to be vulnerable with one person". Of course, it doesn't mean it is true in general.
But...A lot of people I know well are actually very sensitive types, with a possessive strike who choose nonmonogamy.
I think in part it is in their nature to want to create a different and better reality. As they don't like what "is"they want to be part of soemthing different. It is a social cause for them (k).
It doesn't mean it is emotionally fulfilling (so it seems)- it is an idoleogy and a matter of values. Now..What
types would find it emotionally fulfilling?
A person that truly needs the space and wanting to keep things unknown- "I don't own you and you don't ownme".
Very Uranus in the 7th house and i.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #45 - on: 01.07.2017 at 16:31 [UT+1] »With open marriage and/or polyamory, I think you also have to look at progressions and/or transits influencing
the native's chart at the time they are exploring this option.
I was involved in polyamorous / open relationships for a number of years during my early 30s. In my chart, I
have what I consider to be a very fluid D in k that is p to Fc (H11) but also o to I in h. I also have astrongly independent placement of [ in a, between my A and E in a H9
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While I don't consider myself to be truly wired for non-monogamy, I am still wired to have a strong need forfriendship within a bonded relationship. When I was going through my "poly" phase, I had a number of malecompanions / friends that folks now refer as "friends with benefits". I would also note that at this time I wasin open relationships, O was transiting my natal 7th, ruled by k.
My second (ex) husband was strongly "polyamorous".

We had an open marriage for a while, before I realizedthat we were not as compatible as I'd thought. We still remained friends after we split up, and were still friends
online up until his death in late 2015. I've posted his chart below.
I would say that he was strongly mutable in nature, almost feminine in the way he carried himself. The trine
between D, his B, and I probably contributed to his need to be fluid in his relationships. Everything about
him seemed to be borne of a comic book or fantasy fiction. He was a complicated person, prone to passiveaggressive behavior and/or the stereotypical "bad" qualities sometimes common in Ac. He was also fiercely
loyal to his close friends, and could be deeply wounded by the rejection of a friend or lover. He was always
attracted to strong, intelligent women. His "type" might be a woman with brightly colored hair who had acareer in technology, or education, who (like him) did not adhere to traditional gender roles and/or were fluid inlife and relationships.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #46 - on: 28.08.2017 at 13:36 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 30.06.2017 at 03:37 [UT+1]:
Just to throw in a historical/cultural note, there are or have been numerous societies that sanctioned married men having mistresses andmarried women having lovers, provided this was done discretely and within rules of propriety. France comes to mind, but actually backwhen I was doing the est/Landmark forum and workshops, which were held in large cities; I vividly recall two middle-aged women who
were long-term mistresses and one young woman who was a daughter of one of them. The former mayor of Toronto and wealthy

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Gender:businessman Mel Lastman got sued by the sons of his former mistress because they had grown up in seclusion and poverty while he wasworth millions.
Probably you all know about polygamy among these pseudo Mormon groups in the western US-- and still traditionally in parts of Africa andsome Islamic cultures. While some women are miserable in these situations, others choose them. Scandinavia at least has the reputationof a more permissive view towards sexuality.
I applaud the morals of the group on this thread (which I share myself, as a committed monogamous married,) but I am simply making
the point that there is another world out there that doesn't hold to our standards.
Put the question differently from their perspective: what astrologically would make a strictly monogamous person?

I am interested to know how marriages do survive, how can you keep your committment as a monogamous
person? do your partner do the same? are you intimately and emotionally satisfied? what does makemonogamy endures?
I find myslef in this delimma, a sexless partnership after childbirth, a cold man and hopeless prospectives, I
wished a healthy family life particularly for my child. Now when I talk about the issue to my partner, he says, I
think you need to have an affair, but do not let me know about it, and do not bother me with this issue
anymore, I can not help you.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #47 - on: 28.08.2017 at 18:45 [UT+1] »I have been approached by people and asked to join in some open marriage fun. But I am married andmonogamous so I say no.
Most of those people are extremely earthy astrologicallyb# especially. The one chick was married to a woman but they both were sharing a boyfriend and living/having children with him. They liked the fact that I became pregnant easily and enjoyed doing domestic tasks
So they wanted more than sex from me

I must look like a maid.

I try not to judge
Funny thing is, both women were complaining that their boyfriend never helped with the kids and was a slob
around the house. I just laughed and told them that the more things change the more they stay the same
The first couple who ever hinted they wanted me to have sex with them were both g.
I think monogamy is a fairly new invention. Most tribal cultures in the world still support polygamy as the best
kind of family unit. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and the average Muslim man has two
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #48 - on: 29.08.2017 at 05:26 [UT+1] »If we look at the two charts given in this thread there are some interesting comparisons. One can approachthese charts from many different ways, but I will look at them from the point of view suggested in
Stephanie Jean Clements book "Aspect Patterns."
Both these charts have the majority of planets in the eastern hemisphere, suggestive of people who tend toinitiate things, or want to make their own way in life. Both these charts have clear leading planets, one beinga bowl and the other a locomotive type chart. (the leading planet is the first planet in the pattern to riseat the Ascendant - but note it can have risen already even if it may have risen before the birth time – as is
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Beginning with the leading planet gives us the opportunity to read the chart in order of the planets. Thismeans the individual in each case typically begins any and all activites from the same perspective, the orderof the thought processes tends to be the same , and the end result can be analysed in terms of the last planetin the pattern. Thus for each person the typical order of thought processes can be described by delineating
the planets in their zodiacal order in the chart.
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The first of these charts, Sarah’s, is a bowl pattern with Neptune just falling outside the defining
opposition of Venus and Jupiter, but still in opposition by sign to Jupiter.
The leading planet in the bowl is Jupiter in Gemini, and this tells us she tends to begin things
enthusiastically, expansively and typically with a geminian interest in variety. (The opposition to Venus
flavours her Gemini approach with the attractive hint or promise of passionate feelings.) There may well be
an airy communicativeness, a liking for chatty small talk. This surface relating gives way to a sensitive
moodiness, with her protective Moon in Cancer bringing emotional depth and a nurturing defensiveness.
She is responsive and caring, but contained, there are walls to be breached. Her Saturn in Leo adds a reserveor shyness, and puts obstacles in the way . Then her Mercury speaks up, this Mercury likes relating andseeks close bonds. But is a bit tortured and can be wracked by nerves that affect relationship. There is a
suspicion in this placing of Mercury and Pluto , a delving into motive, a mental forensic approach, but at theheart of it a need to express the self in a deeply bonded committed relationship. Behind it is a passionate
Mars with thrilling Uranus which can erupt with very little stimulation, for better or worse. Once triggered
this Mars is intense and jealously possessive if spurned. Also in Scorpio an intense Venus needs to bond at
the deepest level; and with the tight trine to the Moon, the love nature and feelings are strong and deep
and perhaps a little unconventional or shall we say “dirty”. perhaps “naughty” is a nicer way to put it. The
opposition of Venus to Jupiter in gemini brings flighty temptation, change and variety teases you, or perhaps
just the thought of it expands the desire nature. But beware big emotions end up at Neptune, which
may represent a seeking for the ideal, but could just as easily result in misplaced trust, deception andillusory experiences.
The second chart is a locomotive. The leading planet is the Pisces Moon, showing a pliable sensitivity anddramatic type of response to others with an unusual manner, intense and a bit different (Moon opposed to
Uranus Pluto) that hides the uncomfortable Saturn in Aries (opposed by Mars in Libra). So here is a powerfulunderlying shyness and sensitivity, possibly based on a feeling of inferiority or lack of ease in relating toothers. However the Sun in Gemini is communicative and provides a way out from the sense of fearfulness
at showing oneself.. The Sun relieves the Mars Saturn opposition giving a sense of maturity andassertiveness. Mercury in Cancer relates well to others on an emotional level, being caring and sensitive,
communicating feelings. Venus in Cancer also has that domestic pleasures vibe, a homely familiarity toit, and conjoined Jupiter in Leo the party animal can come out and have a good time. . But this man isfussy and technical. His Pluto in Virgo almost certainly hides some extreme fastidious attitudes and with
Uranus the thrill seeking planet opposing the Moon, he is likely to be the technician par excellence. For here
we have erotic Venus in Cancer trine his Pisces Moon (feelings) and sextile Uranus (thrills) in Virgo. This
"progresses" to his Mars in Libra, a drive for union, challenged by his Saturn in Aries – impotence orreserve or sense of inadequacy, and as with the previous chart, ending on Neptune the planet of illusionand chaos, but here Neptune forms part of a grand trine with the Moon and Venus, so there is an
escapism into an emotional, dramatic even luxurious or pampered world, and perhaps a role playing here.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #49 - on: 29.08.2017 at 06:08 [UT+1] »Wow, Afternoon Sun. I'm impressed.
Lunasel, I feel for you. If you and your partner share a child, is the parenting part of your relationship goingwell? Is he attached to his child? If so, would he consider couples counseling? If not, you might see a couples(marriage) counselor on your own for a few visits.Do you suspect that your partner's "coldness" might have aphysical cause, like impotence, that could be treated by a doctor? If so, would your partner see a doctor? Are
you and your partner best friends apart from sex, or not?

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cannot make peace with your situation, perhaps you are ready to walk out the door.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #50 - on: 29.08.2017 at 21:49 [UT+1] »Quote from divadeee on 30.06.2017 at 16:26 [UT+1]:
Hi Waybread,That is interesting too, "what astrologically would make a strictly monogamous person?"Posts: 1975
Gender:Being unlucky in love. Monogamous as being single all the time having no luck in love.
All other combinations bring interesting love life. Me with BDnO ... You can imagine. But the action happens
every 2-3 years.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #51 - on: 29.08.2017 at 21:52 [UT+1] »Quote from *-Amy-* on 01.07.2017 at 16:31 [UT+1]:
With open marriage and/or polyamory, I think you also have to look at progressions and/or transits influencing the native's chart at thetime they are exploring this option.
I was involved in polyamorous / open relationships for a number of years during my early 30s. In my chart, I have what I consider to be a

D in k that is p to Fc (H11) but also o to I in h. I also have a strongly independent placement of [ in a, between my
A and E in a H9very fluid

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While I don't consider myself to be truly wired for non-monogamy, I am still wired to have a strong need for friendship within a bonded
relationship. When I was going through my "poly" phase, I had a number of male companions / friends that folks now refer as "friends
with benefits". I would also note that at this time I was in open relationships,

O was transiting my natal 7th, ruled by k.

My second (ex) husband was strongly "polyamorous". We had an open marriage for a while, before I realized that we were not ascompatible as I'd thought. We still remained friends after we split up, and were still friends online up until his death in late 2015. I've
posted his chart below.
I would say that he was strongly mutable in nature, almost feminine in the way he carried himself. The trine between

D, his B, and I

probably contributed to his need to be fluid in his relationships. Everything about him seemed to be borne of a comic book or fantasy
fiction. He was a complicated person, prone to passive-aggressive behavior and/or the stereotypical "bad" qualities sometimes common in

Ac. He was also fiercely loyal to his close friends, and could be deeply wounded by the rejection of a friend or lover. He was always
attracted to strong, intelligent women. His "type" might be a woman with brightly colored hair who had a career in technology, or
education, who (like him) did not adhere to traditional gender roles and/or were fluid in life and relationships.

Jesus Christ ... What a chart. Almost all planets intercepted. This couldn't end well. Can I ask, what happened
or what contributed to his death?
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #52 - on: 29.08.2017 at 22:42 [UT+1] »Lilith.

I know someone with Mean Black Moon Lilith in 7th who told her husband in front of a group of people that she
wouldn't mind if he had another. They've been together for decades and their kids are all grown up. The
husband said no (I don't have his chart)

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he suggested instead of divorce they stay in an open marriage. His now ex-wife refused. His M conjunct IC.
Lilith won't be the only factor but she does trigger such things.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #53 - on: 29.08.2017 at 23:40 [UT+1] »Amy, I have a theory that people involved in more than one simultaneous partner have planetary ties between
Mars, Venus, and Jupiter. I would see this in your chart. Although the aspects are wide, we can tie in yourVenus-Jupiter midpoint as being closer to the square from Mars.
I once saw this in a horoscope and suggested polyamory to the person, which she hotly denied. Then further
revealed that her husband cheated on her. This seemed like a case of, we either exemplify what's in our chart insome fashion, or we draw people to us who exemplify its negative traits.
Obviously there are other ways to manifest Mars, Venus, and Jupiter; but I think polyamory is one.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #54 - on: 30.08.2017 at 00:01 [UT+1] »I can't speak for anyone else....and the only people I know who have had "lovers" etc, were people who wanted
to keep their marriages AND also have sex "on the side." Both male and female......

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but I am possessive. I believe in the marriage vows "forsaking all others"....I mean that is what that means.
Fidelity.
I see there are no charts on this site of people who have knowingly had multiple partners in their marriages...sothe original question cannot be answered.
I will say that the OP assumed there was something in HER chart which precipitated a man suggesting this typeof relationship to her....but maybe it had NOTHING to do with her chart....only "wish" craft on the part of theman.
Most men have the fantasy of multiple lovers and if the "wife" is ok with it, all the better.
BUT....as I said before....I believe the "idea" is better than the actual THING. Because most people are born
possessive. That is why they marry to begin with! Or at least one of the top 3 reasons....I believe.
Lainieps: Amy's example is one of a bi-sexual. I don't think we are discussing that, are we? that is another category.
There are people who will sleep with anyone and everyone. Again, it's Neptunian and notice Neptune is in a
grand water trine connected to the 8th house of sex.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #55 - on: 30.08.2017 at 00:02 [UT+1] »Multiple factors, multiple possibilities. Today, there's a strong ideological component in polyamory, so Jupiter.
One can also expect to see crazy Neptune doing it wonders, "anything is possible". Quite suitably this guy has a
Jup/Nep=180-Moon midpoint.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #56 - on: 01.09.2017 at 08:15 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 29.08.2017 at 06:08 [UT+1]:
Wow, Afternoon Sun. I'm impressed.
Lunasel, I feel for you. If you and your partner share a child, is the parenting part of your relationship going well? Is he attached to hischild? If so, would he consider couples counseling? If not, you might see a couples (marriage) counselor on your own for a few visits.Do

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Gender:you suspect that your partner's "coldness" might have a physical cause, like impotence, that could be treated by a doctor? If so, would
your partner see a doctor? Are you and your partner best friends apart from sex, or not?
Otherwise, you might have to make some difficult choices. Separation might be hard on your child if s/he is old enough to know Papa, butmaybe you should think about what is best for your future, as well. If you cannot make peace with your situation, perhaps you are readyto walk out the door.

Dear Waybread,thank you for your sympathy, answering your questions, I started a thread, where I posted my chart and mypartners chart. i tried to answer these questions, through telling my story. I hope you have some time to give
your insight:
Personal: Post your chart and tell your story _ relationship difficulties
thank you very much
Lsel
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #57 - on: 01.09.2017 at 14:09 [UT+1] »Most men do not have a fantasy about multiple lovers , most simply want to find one and not have to date etc
again, it's an assumption that it's a man thing but I also know many women who want casual or open
relationships .
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Gender:Usually being approached by unavailable people means there is a certain element of us that is not available ,like attracts like .
You can be single but not available which people forget about

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #58 - on: 02.09.2017 at 09:24 [UT+1] »Here is the chart of an ex. He struggles with monogamy. He had mentioned a few times he thinks he is best
suited to an open relationship. this was not at all something I wanted. in our last few weeks together I finallysaid ok sure lets do it. he then backtracked to say no he didn't want it. I questioned that as he had been really

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Gender:pushing for it. turns out he was sleeping with others regardless but maybe didn't like the idea of me doing thesame. Hmmm
he moved straight on to being in an open relationship with a woman who he told me he would never feel lovewith. he doesn't even attract that many women however there is a sense of wanting to collect with him. he's
also into men.

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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #59 - on: 02.09.2017 at 10:51 [UT+1] »Quote from LittleR on 02.09.2017 at 09:24 [UT+1]:
Here is the chart of an ex. He struggles with monogamy. He had mentioned a few times he thinks he is best suited to an open
relationship. this was not at all something I wanted. in our last few weeks together I finally said ok sure lets do it. he then backtracked to
say no he didn't want it. I questioned that as he had been really pushing for it. turns out he was sleeping with others regardless but maybe
didn't like the idea of me doing the same. Hmmm

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Gender:he moved straight on to being in an open relationship with a woman who he told me he would never feel love with. he doesn't evenattract that many women however there is a sense of wanting to collect with him. he's also into men.

it is interesting, I know two people who are bi-sexual and both have c sun, but I am not sure if they have apersonal planet in l, but, when it is the case there is a great potential for bi-sexuality.
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Re: Open marriage/relationships« Reply #60 - on: 09.09.2017 at 16:20 [UT+1] »Uranus connected to relationship elements in the chart = unusual relationships/friendships. All the rules arebroken.
I've Uranus on the AC opp DC obviously - so i've never believed in traditional connections with people. Doesn'tmean i'm a bad friend or partner - in fact im insanely loyal to the degree others hurt me more than i hurt them(due to other natal aspects)
My partner and i have been together for 20+ yrs and we'll never marry. We considered it only recently to availof cheaper car insurance (yes, seriously!)
Best friends have always been jelous to be my 'only' best friend - when i would have more close friends thanjust one.
At school i recall one best friend dragging another of my friends by her hair through a field to convince her ibelonged to HER! It was confusing and painful to me even that young why people would become possessive ofothers. I would think, why can't we all be great friends?
It's funny - having a placement for unusual relationship 'rules' has meant that i've attracted people that also
have a non traditional approach to relationships/friendships mostly. The ones that are more traditional (or tried
to bind me to their idea of what their perception of a friendship should be) generally have not lasted.
I have no placements in Gemini.
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