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trinklups
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« on: 21.02.2013 at 19:03 [UT] »I was wondering....
cause no matter how much we try, challenges, difficulties, those exact situations that make us tick arise all thetime.
it's almost like they follow us wherever we go.
life seems more like running a 90 year old marathon rather than chilling under the sun having a drink for 90
years
do you experience the same?
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« Reply #1 - on: 21.02.2013 at 19:14 [UT] »Yes in so many ways I can relate... I am several lifetimes overdue for the beach, warm waters lapping over myfeet with a cool drink. I am noticing Saturn is squaring my natals in Leo, ODC... maybe Saturn is putting aquabash on things...
but if we did not have the troubles worries, and pain we would not be able to recognize the pleasures, joys, andwonderment that life gives...
Even the most exquisite if done every day, becomes just that... the every day... which becomes boring and thesame old same old... but I would take that beach now!!!
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« Reply #2 - on: 21.02.2013 at 19:42 [UT] »I'd be bored to just chill out. Gambling things, especially your life, is better. Even if you lose it's okay because
it's game and excitement there that gives you a break from the grey day.

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« Reply #3 - on: 21.02.2013 at 20:01 [UT] »It just is - no value judgment. Live in the moment.

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« Reply #4 - on: 21.02.2013 at 21:43 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 21.02.2013 at 19:03 [UT]:
I was wondering....
cause no matter how much we try, challenges, difficulties, those exact situations that make us tick arise all the time.
it's almost like they follow us wherever we go.
life seems more like running a 90 year old marathon rather than chilling under the sun having a drink for 90 years
do you experience the same?

it's all in the head....
if you want to be happy most likely it will happen in your head not in the outer world or if you do something
for some other people who really need help
well, what can we expect when we deal with the gross material world and substancesof course challenges difficulties and irritation to say the least

some schools of thought tell us that this worldis the lowest due to its materiality... i tend to agree
quite a few years ago i found myself in exact situation that you describe and a possibility to stay in that state
foreveranything( beach warm water having whatever one pretty much desire, go anywhere etc and i didn't feel( it was a terrible case of AoNI so the bottom line is whatever makes us happy and alive may

not be the state of full relaxationon the other hand it looks like life tell us if something has to be done/ changed if there is discomfort andunhappiness....
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trinklups

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« Reply #5 - on: 21.02.2013 at 22:27 [UT] »yeah but I see most people taking it as"this is the challenge I have ahead, this is where I want to get, this is what I want to do".
like in a way they feel like they need to prove themselves or they have somewhere they want to get to, they
have goals.
I never felt like I needed to prove anything to anybody.
I know that whatever I attempt sometimes I will do it ok and sometimes I will fail.
same as every living person.
same as every living creature.
it's not even depression.
it's like "ok I can try this, try that, sometimes I'll win, sometimes I'll lose".
what's the point?
there's no winning "forever", we always lose in the end....(if you consider death a loss of life which is what
youve been fighting to avoid losing all the way)
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« Reply #6 - on: 22.02.2013 at 21:29 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 21.02.2013 at 19:03 [UT]:life seems more like running a 90 year old marathon rather than chilling under the sun having a drink for 90 years

That's an interesting philosophical question although I don't know what the answer would be astrologically.
Happiness means different things to different people.

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Gender:I thought that's what the phrase 'new age' means. We're supposedly going to enter a new age where everything
will be different. I was thinking the end of the Mayan calendar would usher in this golden age of mankind.
Perhaps it did but we just don't realize it yet.
Many people have this feeling today that the world is in a gigantic pressure cooker that's going to blow at any
moment. Perhaps there are reasons why people feel this way and somehow this is what the stars are telling us.
I feel this way myself like a great astrological age or cycle is coming to an end now. I would say that at least forme personally this is absolutely true.
I have read that the last few decades of every astrological age will always be a time of change. Things havechanged a lot just in the last 100 years in many ways including socially, morally, politically, and technologically.
The strange and turbulent decade of the 1960s stands out in my mind as a time of change, at least in America
and the western world.

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« Reply #7 - on: 22.02.2013 at 21:57 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 21.02.2013 at 22:27 [UT]:
it's not even depression.
it's like "ok I can try this, try that, sometimes I'll win, sometimes I'll lose".
what's the point?
there's no winning "forever", we always lose in the end....(if you consider death a loss of life which is what youve been fighting to avoid
losing all the way)

But you dont get anything except maybe a part of your mind or soul with you, leave everything behind. It gives
you a freedom to do with this life what you want. Like in the apocalypse movies where people do what theywant because it's the end of the world anyhow, but here you're like renting the place and maybe want to makeit a bit nicer place for the next renters (this is my way of seeing it because of giving Edgar Cayce's reincarnation
vision some weight) and maybe the next renters want to be you. Then this kind of unselfishness might becomea good tactic to make the world better for you too if you come back.
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« Reply #8 - on: 22.02.2013 at 23:05 [UT] »Is life supposed to be happy
Life would be completely useless if we where happy all the time.
It is not happines that makes us stronger or a better person, but how we deall with the challenges life throws
at us.
Life is short. What comes hereafter lasts much longer.
Being grateful for what we have and being a light in the lifes of others bring happines to us and the people
around us.
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trinklups

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« Reply #9 - on: 22.02.2013 at 23:59 [UT] »Quote from -Nada- on 22.02.2013 at 23:05 [UT]:
Is life supposed to be happy
Life would be completely useless if we where happy all the time.
It is not happines that makes us stronger or a better person, but how we deall with the challenges life throws at us.
Life is short. What comes hereafter lasts much longer.
Being grateful for what we have and being a light in the lifes of others bring happines to us and the people around us.

don't you ever get like in auto mode?
I mean at some point you have a defined personality and always react to things in the same way...
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« Reply #10 - on: 23.02.2013 at 00:03 [UT] »I tend to agree with what Nada has said. The "happiest" people I know are those that have aligned themselveswith something greater than themselves, serving the common good. If it is only about ME, Me, and me, it getspretty boring and tedius. Learn to see the value of WE in life. You sound like you are suffering from spiritualemptiness. OUCH. My best. alice b
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« Reply #11 - on: 24.02.2013 at 11:23 [UT] »Yes it is!
True happiness comes from having soul growth. As long as you're growing spiritually inside, then there's yourhappiness, no matter what happens to you.
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« Reply #12 - on: 24.02.2013 at 12:54 [UT] »I think life can be happy if you make the effort. But I personally think the life we have on Earth is a learning
experience. You can either take the blue or red pill. I think you just have to do the best you can...

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« Reply #13 - on: 24.02.2013 at 17:59 [UT] »sorry but it seems like you are making excuses so you won't have to tell me"no, it's not supposed to be happy".
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« Reply #14 - on: 24.02.2013 at 18:12 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 24.02.2013 at 17:59 [UT]:sorry but it seems like you are making excuses so you won't have to tell me"no, it's not supposed to be happy".

your reactions in your thread made me look up your history here and I noticed you are the person with thequestionable thread ' I carry death with me.'The only one who seems to be making excuses, is you.
Unless you are suffering a from something we don't know, I wonder what you are after.
More attention?
Are you so bored?
If I had known, I would probably not have replied here, because you seem to enjoy yourself over others.
That was discussed extentively in this 'exciting' thread of yours last month or so.
Like Alice b said....you seem to suffer from spiritual emptiness.
Do you need attention whatever it takes?
You asked a profound question, but all you do is make fun of others and a fool of yourself.
In the end you are harming yourself.
It is your life. Make something of it.
The problem with forums is that we cannot see the other person and have to judge/decide by the posts others
make.
So far you seem very confused and desperate and very cynical.
If you need help, ask for it. Plenty of people who are willing.
If you are not here just to annoy, prove it.
You have been banned from several forums.
Are you on a quest to get wise or get lost?
My best too and goodbye, Trinklups.

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Mikko

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« Reply #15 - on: 24.02.2013 at 18:34 [UT] »trinklups
The point is in what it seems to you, not in what it is. Happiness is a subjective thing, in that it's not boundentirely to what happens in your body nor outside you. It's a point of view, happiness, a state of observation,
where you recognice the more full part of the glass, instead of the more empty one.
You're right in that we can't give you happiness here, and I can understand from that what we say might seem
like making excuses for you. But if you realise it's in the end just you who can make yourself be happy, like inthe song "dont worry, be happy", then you wouldn't seek it outside, but look inside and then outside.
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« Reply #16 - on: 24.02.2013 at 18:41 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 21.02.2013 at 19:03 [UT]:
I was wondering....
cause no matter how much we try, challenges, difficulties, those exact situations that make us tick arise all the time.
it's almost like they follow us wherever we go.
life seems more like running a 90 year old marathon rather than chilling under the sun having a drink for 90 years
do you experience the same?

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Your personal experiences aside, the main question has been bugging humanity for thousands of years, and is
an important philosophical enigma which has given rise to several major religions and disciplines, for example,
Buddhism, Hinduism, Judao-Christianity. The Easterners stress the idea that life sucks, because desire causes
karma, so the only way to be happy is to kill out desire, whereas the Western Mysteries take the stance thatdesire is the engine of doing anything in this material world so we shouldn't kill it out but transform it, with orwithout the help of an external savior principle.
Also, an important principle in esotericism is the law of opposites and the duality of appearance. Just like theMoon having a waxing and waning phase, our emotions will be either happy or sad - otherwise we wouldn't
learn anything from experience and would not learn how to control our emotions which are part of our
subconscious minds. The tarot image of The Chariot, associated with the sing Cancer is a good symbol, IMO, ofthese relationship of our self-conscious and sub-conscious minds.
Our subconscious patterns are what make us keep on attracting the same situations, but we can change them.
Easier said than done, perhaps, but either psychotherapy/counseling or some sort of spiritual discipline might
help.

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« Reply #17 - on: 24.02.2013 at 18:48 [UT] »Pulling back objectively from this one life to look at the possibility of living many many lives,in which casehappiness has nothing to do it. In fact, we learn more and evolve faster when we need to be happier. It is themother of invention.
If we are astrologers, we cannot put an emotional or idealistic cover on our efforts to live. The Universe as atemplate to guide our uniique internal pattern set inside of us at our first breath, the Solar System
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arrangement then that we mirror and assume its movements, is not emotional, is not sympathetic to pain orsadness or happiness.

Gender:"Hapiness" has more to do with balance within us, it seems to me, where our birthcharts allow us to use ourenergies to the best of our potential, and this does create a happiness as we know we are achieving a forward
movement in our life. Unhappiness a terrible awareness of not making any progress; in fact, being pulled backto the unfulfilled past.
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« Reply #18 - on: 24.02.2013 at 19:29 [UT] »Member

The more I've got away from judging the events of life and seeing it all as a journey, the more happiness &unhappiness don't figure in my life. It just is. That's not to say that I don't have days where life feels like it's on
top of me or that I'm losing, but when they do it's usually down to tiredness and a good night's sleep helps me
get back to a state of ok-ness.

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Gender:This Taoist story shows why you can't judge events as good or bad ... There was an old farmer who had worked
his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit.
"Such bad luck," they said sympathetically. "May be," the farmer replied. The next morning the horse returned,
bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed. "May be," replied the oldman. The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The
neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune. "May be," answered the farmer. The day after,
military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken,
they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out. "May be," said
the farmer.
I've always seen happiness as a choice - you can get up and judge the events of your day as being for yourgreater good on your journey through life.
The better question that I would ask is "Do you feel fulfilled?" ... and that leads back to the points others havemade earlier about doing stuff for community or the greater good etc.

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« Reply #19 - on: 24.02.2013 at 19:55 [UT] »Yes!

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trinklups
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« Reply #20 - on: 24.02.2013 at 21:10 [UT] »Quote from Teapot on 24.02.2013 at 18:41 [UT]:
Quote from trinklups on 21.02.2013 at 19:03 [UT]:
I was wondering....
cause no matter how much we try, challenges, difficulties, those exact situations that make us tick arise all the time.
it's almost like they follow us wherever we go.
life seems more like running a 90 year old marathon rather than chilling under the sun having a drink for 90 years
do you experience the same?

Your personal experiences aside, the main question has been bugging humanity for thousands of years, and is an important philosophicalenigma which has given rise to several major religions and disciplines, for example, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judao-Christianity. The
Easterners stress the idea that life sucks, because desire causes karma, so the only way to be happy is to kill out desire, whereas theWestern Mysteries take the stance that desire is the engine of doing anything in this material world so we shouldn't kill it out but
transform it, with or without the help of an external savior principle.
Also, an important principle in esotericism is the law of opposites and the duality of appearance. Just like the Moon having a waxing andwaning phase, our emotions will be either happy or sad - otherwise we wouldn't learn anything from experience and would not learn how
to control our emotions which are part of our subconscious minds. The tarot image of The Chariot, associated with the sing Cancer is agood symbol, IMO, of these relationship of our self-conscious and sub-conscious minds.
Our subconscious patterns are what make us keep on attracting the same situations, but we can change them. Easier said than done,
perhaps, but either psychotherapy/counseling or some sort of spiritual discipline might help.

I think in western lack of desire is seen as the worst thing that could happen to you.
also associated with depression a lot.
eastern today I think is much like western in terms of ideology.
look at china, india today, it's all western ideology.
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« Reply #21 - on: 24.02.2013 at 22:37 [UT] »No.

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« Reply #22 - on: 24.02.2013 at 22:52 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 21.02.2013 at 19:03 [UT]:
I was wondering....
cause no matter how much we try, challenges, difficulties, those exact situations that make us tick arise all the time.
it's almost like they follow us wherever we go.
life seems more like running a 90 year old marathon rather than chilling under the sun having a drink for 90 years
do you experience the same?

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Gender:In my humble opinion, life would be very boring if it was like "chilling under the sun having a drink for 90
years".
I look back at all of the really weird, stupid, difficult things I've experienced in this lifetime and sometimes I feel
regret at how I managed to get myself into such situations, but most of the time (these days) I look back andsay "wow... I am one strong, stubborn woman!"
Is life supposed to be happy?
I don't think life is supposed to be anything except what we make of it.
It's certainly possible to live a life as a humble farmer, working the land, never accumulating wealth, sufferingsome poverty, sickness and setback but maybe that farmer is "happy" because they have land, a roof over theirhead (even if it's cold and drafty in the winter, and the roof leaks a bit in the rainy season), a family that loves
them, and a strong spiritual core. Their "purpose" in life (perhaps) is to work the land, care for their loved
ones, and maintain a relationship with their spiritual /divine nature.
I've suffered from depression a few times in my life when bad things happened one after the other, and I didn't
have others to lean on for support. Over the years I learned that happiness isn't how much stuff I have, whatkind of work I do, or what my social status is - it's having meaningful relationships with other people, being
healthy enough to care for myself, and believing that "life" is all about change and learning how to weather andadapt to those changes.
Happy to be alive, and in a brain and body that is open to the experience of living.
(yes, I know that sounded all new age, but I'm not sure how else to describe it)

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« Reply #23 - on: 25.02.2013 at 17:10 [UT] »i life supposed to be happy?
no, at least not most of the time.
then why do we stay alive? why don't we just commit suicide?
1- fear of the unknown.
you don't know what comes after and you are afraid of it, so you rather stay here.
2- survival instinct.
every living creature has an instinctual desire to try to keep alive.
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« Reply #24 - on: 25.02.2013 at 17:31 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 25.02.2013 at 17:10 [UT]:i life supposed to be happy?
no, at least not most of the time.

then why do we stay alive? why don't we just commit suicide?
1- fear of the unknown.
you don't know what comes after and you are afraid of it, so you rather stay here.
2- survival instinct.
every living creature has an instinctual desire to try to keep alive.

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Gender:Um... many people DO just commit suicide. Google the suicide statistics, especially for the US. A man that I
was involved with for several years had 2 failed suicide attempts, and refused to take medication.
Why do you think that the big pharmaceutical companies make so much money on antidepressant drugs?
Not really sure what your point is here, trinklups.
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« Reply #25 - on: 25.02.2013 at 21:18 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 25.02.2013 at 17:10 [UT]:i life supposed to be happy?
no, at least not most of the time.

Is this some sort of an universal truth you have discovered or something just you have? Sure as hell doesn't
apply to many people I know, including me, and I'm lower middle class and single.
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« Reply #26 - on: 25.02.2013 at 22:51 [UT] »Only for us 1% ers but you little people have been rocking the boat lately. Transit Jupiter is on my relocated
Desc making my open enemies (frenemies?) happy.

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« Reply #27 - on: 25.02.2013 at 23:45 [UT] »Quote:
do you experience the same?

yes definitely. in fact I have often wondered if I have EVER experienced true happiness. most of my life has felt
like a struggle. I probably give the appearance of being happier than I actually am due to all my c.
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« Reply #28 - on: 26.02.2013 at 00:08 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 21.02.2013 at 19:03 [UT]:
I was wondering....
cause no matter how much we try, challenges, difficulties, those exact situations that make us tick arise all the time.
it's almost like they follow us wherever we go.

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life seems more like running a 90 year old marathon rather than chilling under the sun having a drink for 90 years
do you experience the same?

Use empirical science, it will answer your question. For example, I live in LA, the Latin community is very, isvery , and is very happy. They have all the jobs, offices, promotions, homes, new lux. cars, perfered gov/city
job placement. Their language is becoming domiant in many large areas of the metro-LA.
This helps them pay for large and happy families. They have no worries. In the 1970s they started a beat up
whity plan and it worked. Most of the world never knew about this. but one can see these histories indocumentaries.
Most of the whites are hanging on to the time when the Latins will finally throw out all other ethnicies -- they
have 100% no plans to share power, work, monies or life/land. This will take about 50 years and more but it
started about two decades ago -- at least the discovery of it.
happiness is controlling one's enviorment, so money plays no role. Some of the latin families are lower
middle class, some poor but they have insurance for a bright future, where as political correctness will force
whites out of the USA in the coming decades. So happiness here is a community family based upon raceaffiliation.
This thing about all colors getting along is a leftwing white power-myth so they can control the money as longas possible, They too know it is only a matter of time -- their happiness approches their doom.
Also a new Gallop poll shows the religious latins are on the decline and the culture of barbarian paganism,
violence and avarice are on the incline. Another Gallop poll, just a few days ago asked 1,000 people happiness,and 85% said that children having two loving parents is the sole contributor to happiness. But this was aspecified question and more research needs to be done.
In general the Bible claims life is all pain, suffering, struggle. Why? The humans God created rejected him/her;so the family was broken up and God did not give a forgiveness plan to the Jews.
The First book of the Jewish Bible claims happiness is blissful ignorance. For example, I live in Los
Angeles, I see, know where they hang, of these celebrities, mainly TV & Film. MOst o fthem have $100,000,000
in their bank accnts. They own $250,000 cars, and I mean cars in the plural form. They publically speak against
avarice, capitalism, and hording wealth and blame it on some ghost- group; but in reality they are ignorant andliving in bliss and filthy rich and vote democratic Party line 99% ( 450,000 very rich in the Hollywood
community).
Up in the Hollywood hills, one section is called Mount Olympus. You need Millions and Millions of dollars to getin and it is like heaven. Most of the rich got their money by hurting other humans ( then acting stupid/ignorantso no one can blame their hypocracy upon their lavsih and self important lifestyle.) the media covers up forthem, gives them awards, and they are like kings and queens -- what the founding fathers/ framers of the USA
system warned against -- to announce the fall. We always had celebrities, but today, they act as if they are thespokespersons on authority for everyone on Earth. And they do make large mistakes. Argo, for example, wascANADIAN PARLIMENTARY PLAN, done in secret, Former Pres. J. Carter's explains; and Ben Afflick chose toclaim it was the CIA ( Americanophile) creative plan. Spielburg claimed Abraham Lincoln wanted to go to
Jeruselem to see Soloman and King David's past, but this was false. Lincoln said he wanted to go to the holy
land to walk in the footsteps of Jesus. So Hollywood reinvents history for their own pecadillios. But they are
happy living in lies and ignorance. Hollywood sees itself as the global teacher of humans and they are a bunchof pretty-ignorant persons. So their teaching will lead to global destruction. But people hate to read and doinvestigations into history, they rather watch video, films or TV and have pretty people tell them what is
happiness or not. In God's view, this is idolotry on a massive scale.
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« Reply #29 - on: 26.02.2013 at 00:19 [UT] »Happiness is truly a state of mind...
People lie, people blow, the economys bad- that's a fact of Life for many of us
BUT- it doesn't have to touch your most authentic self...
Despite Lifes problems- I have known great Joy
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« Reply #30 - on: 26.02.2013 at 03:28 [UT] »well the question was about external happiness more than internal happiness...

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« Reply #31 - on: 26.02.2013 at 09:02 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 26.02.2013 at 03:28 [UT]:
well the question was about external happiness more than internal happiness...

What is external happiness, trinky? Smile on the face of my teapot and my umbrella?
There is no such thing as external happiness..the experience of existence is stricktly internal.
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« Reply #32 - on: 26.02.2013 at 09:29 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 21.02.2013 at 19:03 [UT]:
I was wondering....
cause no matter how much we try, challenges, difficulties, those exact situations that make us tick arise all the time.
it's almost like they follow us wherever we go.
life seems more like running a 90 year old marathon rather than chilling under the sun having a drink for 90 years
do you experience the same?

Buy this and you'll be happy. Do this and you'll be happy. Buy our product and not theirs and you'll be happy.
Get married and you'll be happy. Have children and you'll be happy. Go to church and you'll be happy. Go to thegym and look attractive, you'll be happy. Join our group, you'll be happy.
We might excuse ourselves for answering yes that happy is what we're 'supposed' to be. But what is happinessto you? Define happiness?
When colonialists and missionaries came a conquering the 'backward tribes' one of the things they had to do
was often to give the locals free drugs of a variety or get them hooked on particular things. Some christianleaders included enforced smoking within their churches. Get them hooked and then they'll rely on you. And
that's useful, because then we can trade. If I want something you have and make you believe you wantsomething I have, then great, I get what I want and I don't mind giving you what you want.
But what if you already have everything you need and I still want something from you? The only way to get it
is to trick you into thinking you don't already have what you need already. Introduce something that will makeyou not satisfied with what you have.
This is the world today and it's run primarily on a corporate marketing machine whose sole aim is to convince
you that your life is not complete or good enough right now, but will be if you only just did what they say.
THey convince you that you can only achieve happiness by doing X. This introduces two ideas, first, that you're
not already happy, and second, that you can achieve it externally.
Both are a lie. You can only find happiness from within, but it depends ENTIRELY on how you define happinessand how you think you can achieve that. As Teapot said, religions in the east and west both approach thissubject from different places. I don't quite agree that the eastern approach is to kill desire, rather it is to notattach to desire.
The trick to happiness, as the old saying goes, is to desire those things which you already have. If you can dothis you'll be perhaps not happy, but, rather, content.
And maybe that's the more important. Are we sure we want to be happy all the time? Is this what life is meant
to be like? Unfortunately someone with something they want from us would have us think that. What do theywant from us? Money. Power.
The drug companies make an absolute fortune by convincing us that we're not okay as we are, we SHOULD be
happy they tell us. What's that? You're NOT rolling around like a blind and ecstasy filled pig in sh*t - quick!
take this tablet!
We're in an age where we prescribe drugs for anything at all, an age where from cradle to grave we're told wemust rely upon this drug, that drug, this medicine, that medicine, this consumer product, that one. That's
because other people want something from us. However, the majority of anti-depressants do no better than aplacebo on the majority of people. The vast majority of expensive pharmaceutical solutions to mental health dolittle better or perform no better than daily light exercise, meditation and a good diet. However, we cannot
make money from you doing that, so we need you to believe you cannot do it by yourself. We need to be yourdrug pushers, whether the drug is an obvious drug or whether it is something less tangible.
The better question then isn't "should I be happy" which is an elevated state of emotion, but whether weshould be content and serene and I think that yes we should and can be but it will never be found by signing onto the latest drug, buying the latest smartphone or mindlessly pursuing a relationship - all of which will be thegenie in a bottle to grant us our greatest wish: to be okay. But may we already are and all we have to do isstopping looking around us for this, and sit with ourselves and realise that we have it within us all along.
Because then we'll be more powerful than anyone else, we'll have our own self mastery responsible for our own
happiness as well as our own pain. And whilst nobody else will be able to provide it for us in a prescription
bottle, nobody else will be able to take it away either.
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« Reply #33 - on: 26.02.2013 at 09:40 [UT] »Nice rant Paul.
Quote from _Paul_ on 26.02.2013 at 09:29 [UT]:
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The better question then isn't "should I be happy" which is an elevated state of emotion, but whether we should be content

My Dad used to say that Happiness is a fool's goal, and contentment the wise man's secret.
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« Reply #34 - on: 26.02.2013 at 09:54 [UT] »Why is happiness so bad, why not allow yourself to be happy with what you have, but also happy to aspire to
more...but not what other have told you you need, but what is a true need, get to know yourself well enoughto understand what you need to make you happy, then find it. It really isn't rocket science, it takes time andeffort, its an investment in you, it's not a quick fix.
Happiness is internal, it also different for everyone. So finding our own happiness is always important, it can't
be given to you .
Contentment is part of happiness. Life doesn't need to be perfect to be happy
A good excercise I often use with clients is asking them to talk or write about themselves but omitting anythingthat they see in a mirror,or is told to them by someone else , so you can only say what you truely know....itreminds us that conditioning from society and family is often overriding our own sense of selves, that's often
lost in what we are told we are and are not .
So ask yourself if your happy, listen to the quiet voice, the small voice and if it says no, ask it what it needs tobe happy, and do it...simples
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« Reply #35 - on: 26.02.2013 at 12:35 [UT] »No...because Jupiter is not the only planet casting its rays upon us.
Life is meant to be a smorgasbord of experience.
So many different flavours combining, as the planets shift and sway in their paths through the heavens, always
cooking up something different for our daily plate.
Sometimes the dish we are served is happy, sometimes sad
combine strangely for those bittersweet experiences.

. Sometimes the flavours

But it's all 'good' as the Buddha would surely say.

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« Reply #36 - on: 26.02.2013 at 13:07 [UT] »How will one experience happiness if not aware sadness/dullness?
To experience happiness, one HAS TO BE IN STATE OF UNHAPPINESS.
More sad one is, more potential one has to enjoy happiness for even small fluctuation in one's fortune.
Thus the question "Is life supposed to be happy" does not arises because one has to be unhappy to be happy.
But it could be asked, "Is life beyond emotions?"
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« Reply #37 - on: 26.02.2013 at 13:24 [UT] »Quote from rishimanglesh on 26.02.2013 at 13:07 [UT]:
How will one experience happiness if not aware sadness/dullness?
To experience happiness, one HAS TO BE IN STATE OF UNHAPPINESS.
More sad one is, more potential one has to enjoy happiness for even small fluctuation in one's fortune.

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Thus the question "Is life supposed to be happy" does not arises because one has to be unhappy to be happy.
But it could be asked, "Is life beyond emotions?"

I like this.
Is life beyond emotions? I dunno, but I think maybe we shouldn't be so freaked out by negative emotions.
Insisting on things being different to how they are, or feeling different to how you feel, is probably the greatest
cause of suffering. Sometimes I quite enjoy being miserable, you know, just for something different every now
and then.
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« Reply #38 - on: 26.02.2013 at 13:52 [UT] »Happiness is both a state and an emotion, a bit like contentment. You can have the underlying state as happy
and/or content but have a had day, or experience another emotion temporarily.
An emotion will always be transient, if your in a happy state though you won't experience such a big peak or
trough , it wil be a dip but nothing that lasts long
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« Reply #39 - on: 26.02.2013 at 17:19 [UT] »I understand all this "internal happiness" stuff and how you need to find it in you and all that.
but in order to find this type of happiness you don't really need to be alive or experience the world in any way.
you can feel happy lying in bed for 30 years.
you can feel happy living in the middle of the jungle with no human interaction.
you can feel happy living in a monastery and doing nothing but praying all your life.
the question was about external happiness.
let's say you have that happiness in you, but every time you go out of your house you see all the bad things in
the world.
greed, competition, aggression....
not only that, the world seems to be pushing you, challenging you, trying to get the worst out of you, trying to
make you go into that mode you see everywhere.
so you begin to see that even though you are happy, the world is not contributing to that happiness.
and you begin to wonder.
is this right?
should everything be a struggle?
should the world be challenging me all the time, trying to get the worst out of me?
is this the way it's supposed to be or am I supposed to be doing something different so that I can get different
results?
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« Reply #40 - on: 26.02.2013 at 17:25 [UT] »soulmate : )Quote:
let's say you have that happiness in you, but every time you go out of your house you see all the bad things in the world.
not only that, the world seems to be pushing you, challenging you, trying to get the worst out of you.
so you begin to see that even though you are happy, the world is not contributing to that happiness.
so should external world contribute to your happiness or should it challenge and if you let it destroy it?

The world is not only a sunny place , its dark and bright and so are people....
but not everyone tries to push you down only.
surround yourself with happy and sunny people
and you can enjoy this existence better.
I think the sunniest people live at beaches.
Some of them are not the smartest minds though....too much happiness sometimes takes the depth of people
away.
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« Reply #41 - on: 26.02.2013 at 18:11 [UT] »let's say you have that happiness in you, but every time you go out of your house you see all the bad things in
the world.
greed, competition, aggression....
not only that, the world seems to be pushing you, challenging you, trying to get the worst out of you, trying to
make you go into that mode you see everywhere.
so you begin to see that even though you are happy, the world is not contributing to that happiness.
and you begin to wonder.
Quote:
is this right?
should everything be a struggle?

No, you should enjoy your existence. Sometimes you can play with the people who try to attack you... and thenthe energy transforms into something very beautiful.... you are in charge of how you react on those energies
people put on you. If I come and smile at you you can decide if you want to smile back or rather stay grumpy
or if you think I am crazy.
I have seen this many times....its the energy pattern you are into and you can change it.... by surrounding withgood things and people and having nice thinking patterns.
Actually you should just find someone to smile at you all day long.
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« Reply #42 - on: 26.02.2013 at 18:38 [UT] »Quote from Miakodastern on 26.02.2013 at 18:11 [UT]:
let's say you have that happiness in you, but every time you go out of your house you see all the bad things in the world.
greed, competition, aggression....
not only that, the world seems to be pushing you, challenging you, trying to get the worst out of you, trying to make you go into thatmode you see everywhere.
so you begin to see that even though you are happy, the world is not contributing to that happiness.
and you begin to wonder.
Quote:
is this right?
should everything be a struggle?

No, you should enjoy your existence. Sometimes you can play with the people who try to attack you... and then the energy transforms
into something very beautiful.... you are in charge of how you react on those energies people put on you. If I come and smile at you you
can decide if you want to smile back or rather stay grumpy or if you think I am crazy.
I have seen this many times....its the energy pattern you are into and you can change it.... by surrounding with good things and people
and having nice thinking patterns.
Actually you should just find someone to smile at you all day long.

yes buy we are still talking about taking all the crap and doing something with it.
my question was...
are we supposed to be taking crap all the time?
what's the point in that?
I don't see how we are going to become wiser or happier by taking crap all the time.
I've been taking crap all my life living the modern life and I don't feel any wiser or happier than I was in the
beginning.
it's almost like sadomasochism....
"oh yeah I'm getting hit and trashed all over the place, but it feels so good!!"
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« Reply #43 - on: 26.02.2013 at 19:07 [UT] »There is "taking crap from people" and learning how to be gracious and polite while maintaining healthyboundaries.
If you have friends in your life that you've outgrown and bring you nothing but drama - let them go.
If family members cause you drama and suffering then learn to set boundaries around them.
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Gender:If you're unhappy in a job that eats away at your unhappiness, is unrewarding, then determine if /when you canmake a change to find something better.
If you see suffering in the world and you want to try and work to change the world, then volunteer, getinvolved in politics, social service volunteering, etc.
Personally, I stopped hanging out on Facebook because it was not helping me get out and make meaningful
relationships in real life with real people.
It's always up to YOU how you want to handle other people's crap. Obviously WE have no control over otherpeople, what they do, what they say... and so you have 2 options really. Learn how to deal with other people's
crap in a grownup, emotionally healthy way - or become a hermit and never leave the house. Learn how to say"no" when you mean "no" and figure out when you are being a "people pleaser" (and then stop).
It has taken me decades to figure this out... the whole thing about how to get around in the world when people
and their crappy behavior make me feel frustrated, angry, and helpless.
As others suggested, it boils down to me choosing who I want to be a part of my life and what activities I canpursue that will have the greatest chance for positive social interaction. I hate crowds of rude people so I do
most of my shopping online, and go to the grocery store during "off hours" to avoid large crowds.
watching television news, limiting it to once or twice a week, etc.

I avoid

I am hyper-sensitive to the negative energy / negative emotions of others. It has taken a VERY very long timeto learn how to deal with this and adjust my head (and my life) so that I can exist in this world of "otherpeople" and be (for the most part) happy.
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« Reply #44 - on: 26.02.2013 at 19:24 [UT] »MemberQuote from trinklups on 26.02.2013 at 17:19 [UT]:
I understand all this "internal happiness" stuff and how you need to find it in you and all that.
but in order to find this type of happiness you don't really need to be alive or experience the world in any way.
you can feel happy lying in bed for 30 years.
you can feel happy living in the middle of the jungle with no human interaction.

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Gender:you can feel happy living in a monastery and doing nothing but praying all your life.
the question was about external happiness.
let's say you have that happiness in you, but every time you go out of your house you see all the bad things in the world.
greed, competition, aggression....
not only that, the world seems to be pushing you, challenging you, trying to get the worst out of you, trying to make you go into thatmode you see everywhere.
so you begin to see that even though you are happy, the world is not contributing to that happiness.
and you begin to wonder.
is this right?
should everything be a struggle?
should the world be challenging me all the time, trying to get the worst out of me?
is this the way it's supposed to be or am I supposed to be doing something different so that I can get different results?

I don't read that as you understanding internal happiness. Because external happiness as you describe it justdoesn't exist.
What you are doing is making judgements in your head as to how the world SHOULD be. You said it right there
in the first sentence ... every time you go out of your house you see all the bad things in the world.It's only
your (inner) judgement that makes the world good or bad. If you own that thought, then you have the power
to change it.
When I walk out of my house I see events. I might see two people arguing. If I judge those acts as bad then
my inner world is not happy about it. I actually never presume to know why those two people are arguing perhaps by doing that they will resolve a long-standing difficulty - which I guess would be a good thing.
What goes on in the world ... if you judge it as good or bad ... then your happiness will be dependent on that.
But at the moment, you're not taking responsibility for your own thoughts, you're projecting it onto the world
and calling it "external happiness". It's the same thing as saying "I'm a happy person, but why does myboyfriend make me angry whenever he comes home drunk?" ...
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« Reply #45 - on: 26.02.2013 at 19:34 [UT] »good point, feelingforsnow
so, inside=outside in the end?
what inside of you causes 'bad'ness, trinklups?

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« Reply #46 - on: 26.02.2013 at 19:43 [UT] »when I look at something bad I recognize it as something bad.
how I can change it is a different thing (maybe I can't).
but trying to fool/trick my mind into thinking that what sucks doesn't actually suck is worse.
if you have that view you will live in the middle of crap all your life and you won't do anything about it, because
you tricked your mind into "everything is fine" mode.
if prefer my view of identifying all the bad things as a first step.
then doing something about it may be a little harder, but at least you already have stage 1 (self denial) clear.
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« Reply #47 - on: 26.02.2013 at 19:45 [UT] »Quote:
when I look at something bad I recognize it as something bad.
how I can change it is a different thing (maybe I can't).

hmmmm sometimes its fun to change it....for instance..
you are in a line of a supermarket.
you are waiting.
a guy comes and is real stressed and tries to walk infront of you to be first.
he doesnt ask or anything, he is just really pissed and aggressive.
is that something bad for you already?

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Snow« Reply #48 - on: 26.02.2013 at 20:05 [UT] »MemberQuote from trinklups on 26.02.2013 at 19:43 [UT]:
when I look at something bad I recognize it as something bad.
how I can change it is a different thing (maybe I can't).
but trying to fool/trick my mind into thinking that what sucks doesn't actually suck is worse.

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Gender:I wrote about this somewhere else on the forum recently but 'bad' views of the world come from having
inflexible rules in one's head.
If you have a rule that says "People should not be competitive" then whenever you see people being
competitive, the only way you can feel is unhappy.
If you make your rule a little more flexible ... "I would prefer that people are not competitive" ... now how doyou feel? Perhaps not wonderful but it doesn't have to ruin your day.
The pain-to-power chart (as suggested by Susan Jeffers) is about change those black&white rules in your headto slightly greyer preferences. The words that are particularly painful are SHOULD and MUST ...
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if you have that view you will live in the middle of crap all your life and you won't do anything about it, because you tricked your mind
into "everything is fine" mode.
if prefer my view of identifying all the bad things as a first step.
then doing something about it may be a little harder, but at least you already have stage 1 (self denial) clear.

I can tell you that the logic is not valid. You don't have to be angry or sad to want to go and change the world.
By maintaining preferences to how you'd like the world to be, you still have motivation to go and clear up thecrap. Since learning that my happiness is not defined by the external world, I have always been active in trying
to make it a better place. In no way did I deny what is going on, I just stopped judging it by my own internal
standards and therefore creating my own unhappiness.
One of the other points to understand is that the only thing you can ever control is your own attitude. You
have the choice of whether the world around you makes you unhappy. That is what taking responsibility foryour life is about.
When it comes down to other people and their actions, all you can do is influence them, you cannot control
them. Whenever you try to control the world it will lead you to feel unhappy if you are unsuccessful.
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« Reply #49 - on: 26.02.2013 at 22:47 [UT] »External value is relative, and much of it correlates to how hard it was for you to gain something. You may be
more pressed to forge your external dreams = things that you think would make you happy or content,
settled... forge them more to your liking and to correlate better with your capabilities and your way, when
you're unhappy and realising you can't reach just that far now.
You say "bad things". Why not "things bad for you", or "things right now bad for you"? Or just "hardships"? If
you had no hardships, what kind of a person you think you'd turn out to be? A vulnerable person who can'ttake a single trouble. I can take ten and still not even flinch, and I'm not half as strong as some people here.
It's like going to the gym, you sweat and swear to yourself and rein in your laziness and in the end you feel theendorphine flowing. Or yoga if you prefer.
Life is about survival, and the bigger beasts you fight with, the stronger you become. But you can choose
whether your life is just about your survival or giving others better chances too. It can be about love too but
for that you need first internal happiness or more genuine self-acceptance in my opinion, so I guess that's not
the topic here.
It's ok to be vulnerable and hurt, and there's no shame in it, the shame and all is put there by the people who
can't see what you're going through, and sometimes by our own learned behavior patterns. There's always
some road, you can take it as long as you're prepared to gamble and take in consequences.
You're not through self-denial ever, dont fool yourself. There's so dark, heavy and adrifting places in our
psyches that most of us wont look into them in our lives more than maybe once. It's just a road to gain abetter level in accepting yourself. There's no goal, champ, just the game and the pit-stops we set to ourselves.
It takes no great effort to go deeper into your despair when you're already there, but try to be genuinely happy
first and then question the foundations of your happiness (the plutoist way), now that takes balls (or someserious womanly energy).
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« Reply #50 - on: 27.02.2013 at 01:29 [UT] »[quote author=trinklups Quote:is this right?
should everything be a struggle?

I think the answer is a qualified, "no". Depending on one's perspective of what happy is.
I can't be happy as long as others suffer, and there are so many who suffer in this world.
I can't be happy until masses of people, "share" their wealth, whether its the land or otherwise.
I suffer with everyone...perhaps because I care so much about others. d ASC.last decan
But for purpose of your question, I still think the answer is a qualified no. Edgar Cayce reminds us that Jesus
laughed and joked on his way to the cross.....
We all have a cross to bear, some of us have truly heavy ones in this particular lifetime, so when the burden
gets to be too much, I often retreat within and find some solace from these insights into what it's truly all
about.
I think you said you enjoyed the Cayce readings?
Well, here's one for you, an excerpt only .
"to gain the crown one must bear first, the cross" The cross being symbolic of the subjective self. (FromSt.Paul),"Though he were a Son, yet he learned obedience by the things which he suffered".......
It's from the Study Group book #1 "A Search for God".....the chapter begins with the quote from Rev. about
suffering.
Since in this world, we are ensconced in dualism, (ying-yang) whatever we call it, we see all manner of excess,from excess happiness (my eldest has F in her 12th her husband has his in the 1st, m A and can't bear thethought of relaxing with her own inner thoughts).she thrives on outer excitement (10 times ot Disneyland &Disneyworld) for example with her kids. Both Calif. & Florida. Just came back from Florida, and now next week
flying here to Az.for more "fun in the sun" she says.
We use to joke with her kids , "you know Minnie & Mickey on first name basis," and really they go more for
their mother's enjoyment now i think then their own.
I worry that IF she were faced with the horrendous losses my husband & I suffered through, she couldn't makeit, quite frankly.....She thrives on everything going, "according to plan" (i.e. Ad B f ) and thank god, so far
it's been good for her. How long can it last, who knows....Her daughter was quite ill for 2 years, (Chiarimalformation) and needed a brain operation to relieve this thickened part of the brain stem , but now that's
over with, and they are back to "happy" mantra. My mother had a horrendously hard life too, a constant
struggle, but even with her F in the 12th (but part of a Kesari Yoga with the B ) she triumphed in the spirit of
it all. Managed somehow to live each day for that day only. Ai. That's hard!!!!
As a parent you wish nothing but happiness for your children, all of them. After awhile you realize you must "letgo and let God".....that's what I try & do., and of course it's not easy.
When I get really down however, as I was today, (another loss today), but just a material one, compared to themore serious types., I thought of Annette Funicello, the child teen star from the old Mickey Mouse days. She's
been in a wheelchair with severe MS now for many many years. Her life has been pretty much that chair.
With grandchildren and adult children who loved her and lots of money for any of her desires, still she lacks thehealth necessary for enjoying these gifts.
So we all have a cross to bear. It just isn't seen readily sometimes, as we glance at the rest of the world while
the laughter goes on......and we wonder "what's wrong with me?"................
Perhaps, it's the last lifetime here, and the worse waits for last. THAT would be nice for me to believe, and thatis how I see it too.
I honestly do think when the soul is at it's stage of relinquishing this earth, it forces (us)or it's selves, to relinquish the material things and even the things and those we love the most.
It's nevereasy, but we aren't from here either. It's a temporary abode at best as is the ego self , that must suffer in orderto gain what truly matters and that is not temporary.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Funicello,_Annette
I suppose when I get REALLY down, (which is often lately) I always think of her, because she is a peer I grew up
with, who seemingly had it all. Looks, boys, money, fame, you name it, a loving family and now her own family,etc.
It helps me to put things back into perspective.
My mother taught me this, but mom isn't here any longer to remind me that someone somewhere, is far worse
off then you are.
Annette lost her eyesight a few years ago, and is really bad off now . Pray for her everyone who recalls her as Ido.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annette_Funicello#Personal
Quote:On March 10, 2011, Funicello's Encino, California, home caught fire. She suffered smoke inhalation, but was otherwise unharmed.

In 2012, CTV profiled Funicello as an update on her after she had spent fifteen years out of the public eye. The profile revealed that her
disease had severely damaged her nervous system; Funicello had lost the ability to walk in 2004 and the ability to speak in 2009, and she
now required round-the-clock care to survive. In the profile, Holt and Fabares discussed Funicello's current state, as well as the numerous
medical interventions and treatments attempted to improve her condition.

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« Reply #51 - on: 27.02.2013 at 03:03 [UT] »Sometimes I wonder do the so called happy go lucky types really exist...
what would be the astro portrait ofthis sort of person if you know one...i think deb described one possibility of F in the 1st but that's a little bit
different egocentric sort of happinessmaybe certain sign DF in the 5th?
i know a few people with this attitude but it's just superficial persona though in some sense a few people arelucky but i guess it's different than happy but on the other hand these folks tend to be more " happy" sincequite a few things come easy or practically fall on their laps...
some others whose life on the surface is easy
and many things do come easy to them, other people could be envious of them are as miserable as it could be
regardless material and even intangible wealthbut going back to the original question again, i would say any life can be happy quite a few people make it
unnecessarily hard for themselves and others. the trick to happiness seems to be in making others happy. thisseems to make anyone's life at least happier.
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« Reply #52 - on: 27.02.2013 at 03:36 [UT] »PK88: I think it's the "quality" of F too that we must be looking at.
For instance, the quality of my daughter (as the example of happiness and the quest for happy times isparamount at ALL times in her life), is quite different then the quality of my mother's Jupiter (who likewise,
REALLY enjoyed each day to the best of her ability. They both do/did this, and in this way they mimic eachother. Yet my mother had a far more generous nature about her, encompassing everyone (hence the Kesari
Yoga I suppose) or part of that Juptierian quality.
I'd say the daughter is thus far, far far luckier, (if there is such a thing)...and I'm beginning to think there
certainly is at last for material things and security in life, etc. with her Jupiter.
But I also heard F here in the 12th also helps a person in ways perhaps we never hear about, the guardianangel principle or having a good luck charm to keep them safe. I hope so.....
Mom's F was located 10:06h and her ASC was 11h so very close.
Her marrriage was terrible however, (opposing her DC cusp) and as I said, her B was in g near the end of thesign but in the 12th and m.
Now my daughter's lucky F ? is in a critical degree of j the 0° and is in the Fall of the sign. oJ.
A different life for sure, but in some ways, both loved to spend big and live large. Mom (by her very nature) ai and extroverted that way.
Daughter, not so much an extroverted person , but likes to live large too. As I said, she's "lucky" because herhusband has F in his 1st in j (also in the Fall of the sign) within 1° of his K and then the A.
Here is the contrast. My husband (extremely unlucky in life) has F in his 1st house but exactly opposite nfixed star "Algol"

So negated benefit wise the benefic we might expect in the 1st simply is not there .

I have D F both in my 5th, but life has been anything but a bed of roses from the "get go",and like mymom, my F is in the sign of h while D i nearby. My own F in this house we think of as a fun house, (but it
also rules our children) is in a "definite loss degree" of h, so does not bring me the "luck" I'd otherwise, have
hoped for.
I think the quality of the beneficial planets has to be weighed by the mitigation factors for quality of life
to be seen too.
.........
btw: for those interested in how Annette Funicello is doing these days, I found a Video special done on her
update by her husband Glen, (her 2nd husband) as he has never given up trying to find some type of relief andhelp for his wife.
He's now 81 or 82 and apparently has made Annette his focus in life, giving him much stamina and purpose tolife.
She is about 70 now.
Good to keep a perspective then, with what happiness is, who has it, and how fleeting it all can be afterall.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.985726
4 parts video
I did her natal chart years ago, (an Equal House chart) and see that in the 12th she has G in c m O (in abeneficial house 11th of hopes & dreams & wishes , just like I have) Her dreams were shattered ....with theonset and prognosis 25 yrs ago.
Apparently her Dr. says that her's is the more rare type of progressive MS
that affected the entire nervous system and doesn't go into remission, whereas, many do. I had an uncle whose
MS went into remission.
Annette's natal has F also in her 1st house, HOWEVER, although it's exalted in d it's quality is quite
diminished by 3 squares to the 4th house A D E and her POF in the 7th, is exactly n F within one degree.
You can see her astro.com natal chart on my prior post above.
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« Reply #53 - on: 27.02.2013 at 06:32 [UT] »I agree that the quality of Jupiter should be taken into account as well as its ruler
You know that I use sidereal positions
What's your daughters asc degree? And where was your moms Venus and its degree?
Btw how is your granddaughter and how are you overall
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« Reply #54 - on: 27.02.2013 at 06:46 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 26.02.2013 at 18:38 [UT]:
Quote from Miakodastern on 26.02.2013 at 18:11 [UT]:
let's say you have that happiness in you, but every time you go out of your house you see all the bad things in the world.
greed, competition, aggression....
not only that, the world seems to be pushing you, challenging you, trying to get the worst out of you, trying to make you
go into that mode you see everywhere.
so you begin to see that even though you are happy, the world is not contributing to that happiness.
and you begin to wonder.
Quote:
is this right?
should everything be a struggle?

No, you should enjoy your existence. Sometimes you can play with the people who try to attack you... and then theenergy transforms into something very beautiful.... you are in charge of how you react on those energies people put onyou. If I come and smile at you you can decide if you want to smile back or rather stay grumpy or if you think I am crazy.
I have seen this many times....its the energy pattern you are into and you can change it.... by surrounding with goodthings and people and having nice thinking patterns.
Actually you should just find someone to smile at you all day long.

yes buy we are still talking about taking all the crap and doing something with it.
my question was...
are we supposed to be taking crap all the time?
what's the point in that?
I don't see how we are going to become wiser or happier by taking crap all the time.
I've been taking crap all my life living the modern life and I don't feel any wiser or happier than I was in the beginning.
it's almost like sadomasochism....
"oh yeah I'm getting hit and trashed all over the place, but it feels so good!!"

It seems life teaches lessons that may appear too cruel or unneeded
Maybe its the lesson of humility and learning to be humble and less egocentric ? If something keeps comingback over and over
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« Reply #55 - on: 27.02.2013 at 16:53 [UT] »Quote from PKea888 on 27.02.2013 at 06:32 [UT]:
I agree that the quality of Jupiter should be taken into account as well as its ruler
You know that I use sidereal positions
What's your daughters asc degree? And where was your moms Venus and its degree?
Btw how is your granddaughter and how are you overall

The granddaughter is doing really really well. Thanks for asking, They just returned from another week in
DisneyWorld Epcot Center in Florida, as I said, they go often it seems over the years. She got to choose her
spot this time because of all the health issues she had suffered and they are now celebrating return to good
health for now.
The ASC degree is 23:16j for her mom, which is also m her NN. 26:01 in the 1st.
Mom's D was located 24:33h 1st house.
Apparently you and I have a different vision of hard times, when they are seen as excessive. I use to think thatway too, "what goes around comes around" and I still do to some extent, because of karmic influence of course,
YET, I also have changed my opinions rather radically (c c m K in 11th )no doubt from my own observations in life after 6 decades as well as a higher philosophy including of course
study of Cayce's readings for most of the life which augmented my husband's .
This newer philosopy incorporates the concept of (usually unconsciously) relinquishing as I said, via force
sometimes which means "harder times" for souls who are preparing to leave this plane and move on to others
which exist as surely as this one does.
I tried to say this, but perhaps it's not a concept that has ever been considered by the many (I'm sure it isn't)
even considered.
However after studying Cayce's readings for "no need to reincarnate series, the natal charts where I could
some with tobs and many without them, I'm sitll of this new mindset, that we (as souls) save the worse forlast often enough seen...This concept helps me to digest the horror that some people seem to suffer in thislifetime seemingly for no reason seen
It's easier for me to comprehend when I toss in the concept of "no time" or time is an illusion other then here.
In that regard, there is of course the arrow of time, i.e. birth to death as well a probable concept that isparrallel in the spiritual world. The earth is really a shadow of the spirit as well.
And so to suffer greatly here, I no longer see as cut so black & white as deserving, etc. There is no doubt someof that going on, as the soul tries to correct itself, not by punishment, (as we view karma in our dual world), ofgood vs bad karma,but rather it's the correcting force that we are seeing too, and when the soul has reached acertain stage in development, (perhaps), it's a matter of getting it all over with in one foul swoop
For some
then, no need to return that way. What's the old saying, "no pain, no gain".
You made a good point however about humility. I recall explicitly Cayce's reading on the life of Jesus ofNazareth as he was known. In that lifetime we too learned, (as Cayce said, mimicking the idea of St. Paul) "by
the things which he suffered through"The learning for this great soul included too the fact (as I believe it is) that as Joseph, one lifetime, in Egypt
sold into slavery by his brother, and then (in the arrow of time) Joshua, the ego had been risen to the extent
the soul wished it to be more all inclusive and less centered on selfhood.
Remember, Joseph angered his brothers by declaring himself, the center star when he spoke of his dream life.
He said his parents were the A B in that dream, and he the center star.
In a way he was right, as it came to pass in that life almost in a literal way when we consider the position hislife eventually gave him after the suffering. Other then the mother no longer being alive, his father & brotherscame to him, seeking mercy which was granted (in that psychological drama)
IF we take Cayce's word for it then, Joseph was at least 1 lifetime that the soul which became theChrist also encompassed. I'm sure there were far more gains then just an inflated ego in that one. FAR moreof course, goes without saying.
http://www.egrc.net/articles/Rock/Joseph/JosephsTwoDreams.html
Quote:
Then Joseph told his brothers. 'Listen,' he said, 'I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down
to me.' When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, 'What is this dream you had? Will your motherand I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?" Genesis 37:9-11

I gained an enomormous gift from my mother's actions of generorsity, once I laid aside the anguish it caused insome regards for me as a child seeing her give everything away back then and even in adulthood, becoming
more the parent and a role reversal for caution.
Yet, what I gained is the understanding too, that in life, whether they are homeless on the street or wherever inlife you go, one must always remember this larger picture as so aptly stated by St. Paul :New International Version (©1984)

[i]Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it
Weymouth Version:
Do not neglect to show kindness to strangers; for, in this way, [b]some, without knowing it, have had angels as
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« Reply #56 - on: 27.02.2013 at 17:39 [UT] »I think the poster is seriously depressed/maybe even suicidal & should get help immediately............she is notlistening to anything anyone is telling her despite everyone's best efforts.........
sometimes anti-depressants are a necessary........i know of many people who have taken them at different times
in their lives.............sometimes they worked sometimes not...........sometimes even a mild tranquilzer can help
someone like this in such a sorry state of mind.
a necessary intervention to prevent her from harming herself or sinking into even more of a dark hole ofdepression..........
jen
quote from Jenny:
My Dad used to say that Happiness is a fool's goal, and contentment the wise man's secret.
love that quote Jenny, your dad sounds like a very wise man.

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« Reply #57 - on: 27.02.2013 at 17:46 [UT] »[quote author=Deborah link=1361473409/40#56 date=1361984006][ [i[color=#999900]][color=#336600]I
use to think that way too, "what goes around comes around" and I still do to some extent, because of karmic
influence of course,
YET, I also have changed my opinions rather radically ( in 11th )no doubt from my own observations in life after 6 decades as well as a higher philosophy including of course
study of Cayce's readings for most of the life which augmented my husband's .
This newer philosopy incorporates the concept of (usually unconsciously) relinquishing as I said, via force
sometimes which means "harder times" for souls who are preparing to leave this plane and move on to others
which exist as surely as this one does.
I tried to say this, but perhaps it's not a concept that has ever been considered by the many (I'm sure it isn't)
even considered.
However after studying Cayce's readings for [i]"no need to reincarnate series,

the natal charts where I could

some with tobs and many without them, I'm sitll of this new mindset, that we (as souls) save the worse forlast often enough seen...This concept helps me to digest the horror that some people seem to suffer in thislifetime seemingly for no reason seen
It's easier for me to comprehend when I toss in the concept of "no time" or time is an illusion other then here.

In that regard, there is of course the arrow of time, i.e. birth to death as well a probable concept that isparrallel in the spiritual world. The earth is really a shadow of the spirit as well.
And so to suffer greatly here, I no longer see as cut so black & white as deserving, etc. There is no doubt someof that going on, as the soul tries to correct itself, not by punishment, (as we view karma in our dual world), ofgood vs bad karma,but rather it's the correcting force that we are seeing too, and when the soul has reached acertain stage in development, (perhaps), it's a matter of getting it all over with in one foul swoop
then, no need to return that way. What's the old saying, "no pain, no gain".

For some

Yet, what I gained is the understanding too, that in life, whether they are homeless on the street or wherever inlife you go, one must always remember this larger picture as so aptly stated by St. Paul :Weymouth Version:
Do not neglect to show kindness to strangers; for, in this way, [b]some, without knowing it, have had angels as
their gues

the devil is in the details there are nuances that explain maturity and it's in response to hardship
I don't think that the hard times are always a meaningless punishment. sometimes hard times could be a
blessing in disguise...sometimes it is a corrective karmic action.
but this is where i am now and perhaps it will change... but at the moment this law seems to work and explain
a lot
we may very well save the worst for lastwhat 's different and whether it is really " the last time" is how soul responds to hardshipwe show maturity how we respond to hardships . be it by whining and complaining about poor self and not
addressing its calling or taking it for what it is and making something meaningful out of it " rising above". I
think this is where the difference lays in soul evolution....
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« Reply #58 - on: 27.02.2013 at 17:57 [UT] »Thanks for saying that Pkea888, i have known 3 close people (some family members who committed suicide, if
someone had intervened it might never have happened)..........
depression is a very REAL & debilitating illness......some people take st.john worts or other natual
remedies..........others take tranquilizers to 'calm' the negative thoughts, some take anti-depressants.
but in this poster's case i think she needs to head to the local hospital & tell them how she isfeeling.............NOW.
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« Reply #59 - on: 27.02.2013 at 18:04 [UT] »Ref:
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we may very well save the worst for lastwhat 's different and whether it is really " the last time" is how soul responds to hardshipwe show maturity how we respond to hardships . be it by whining and complaining about poor self and not addressing its calling or taking
it for what it is and making something meaningful out of it " rising above". I think this is where the difference lays in soul evolution...

True, but WHO is making the observation and through what lense may also be cosidered here, when objectively
analyzing anything in life. This may require then, an observation that what you SEE is what you "get" in life. I
don't think so personally, when it comes to the objective world.
I noticed on the Video for Annette Funicello that I posted (actually it's in 3 parts), that her best friend, (thelast part) remarked that she never heard any complaints from her in all of these years about her physicalcondition.
I think that's commendable too, also indicative of growth deep within . YET, is Annette a "whole soul", of 1/2
as Cayce also tells us some are
You see when we think out side the box of our confined mental boundaries, often we come up with otherconcepts seldom considered by the masses.
This is also one of them.
One half, may operate in the outer world quite differently then one's "other half"..........But once they merge asin the spiritual plane, they become whole with the experiences gained. The experiences include of course thebiography of the human as the life lived, and their gains, losses, etc.
This concept has been explored in a book and in the readings as well for those whose interest may be piqued
about how this may operate.
Who is to say, if Princess Diana, who complained quite a bit about her lot in life, (with so much water in her
natal chart) esp. about personal relationships, was the half of other other famous person at that time, Mother
Teresa, who likewise did her share of complaining, but not known by the masses. (see her personal letters to
her confessor)......and her doubts as her faith in life was severely shaken.
I personally cannot say as I observed the individual lives objectively of these two famous people yet, it's very
possible that Cayce was right too, as well when we consider that the brain has a right & left hemisphere (as aparallel on the physical plane)
Personally, I'd never judge another or at least try not to.
We can't help but do so sometimes and this I realize too so we should not harm ourselves by thinnking less ofourselves when we do, not on the other side of the coin, elevate the self by thinking we are so smart andobservant of al thing (which cannot even be known).........., as it's part and parcel of living in a dual world (theobjectve mind and the subjective self) the outer and the inner selves to do so.

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« Reply #60 - on: 27.02.2013 at 18:21 [UT] »self pity is fine( we all have our moments) but isn't that helpful as practice shows
it appears that looking at your situation objectively often isnt the casealso the op indicated that he'she isn't quite interested in the inner search of happiness....if i recollect correctly
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« Reply #61 - on: 27.02.2013 at 18:25 [UT] »Depression is not self-pity...............it's an illness...........
I would advise the poster to call a suicide prevention hotline as every city has one...............they TRULY
understand what she is going through & why is not thinking clearly or rationally.
Maybe this posting of hers is a cry for help.
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Ex Member« Reply #62 - on: 27.02.2013 at 18:33 [UT] »Quote from jentifer on 27.02.2013 at 18:25 [UT]:
Depression is not self-pity...............it's an illness...........
I would advise the poster to call a suicide prevention hotline as every city has one...............they TRULY understand what she is going
through & why is not thinking clearly or rationally.
Maybe this posting of hers is a cry for help.
jen

I don't recall the natal chart of the OP.
Is there a lot of water in the natal in prominent places?
Sometimes, those of us with little water or at least in places that are prominent as symbols of our charity (asmentinoed here), (some say it's about agape, or unconditional love that he spoke of, (which I would agree itis)cannot then resonate or understand one who is "caught up" in the emotions which seem to overwhelm theirmind (air or mental couterpart) The ability to identify with another's sufferingf is very important, and manycannot because the soul has not built this virtue or honed it yet.

The chart would be helpful too before second guessing
Ref: my favorite of all would have to be this quote:
http://www.bartleby.com/108/46/13.html
Quote:
4¶ Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5
doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6
rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; (** I think this sentence is highly subjective however) )7
beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be
knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
** perhaps he meant the perfected soul**
11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12
For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I knoweven as also I am known.
13
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is ** charity.
** agape, i.e. unconditional love.

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« Reply #63 - on: 27.02.2013 at 18:45 [UT] »Unless I'm mistaken and missed it, I checked the OP Trinklups older posts that can be seen, and find thefollowing:1) he's a male not a female2) he has at least 3 planets in the 8th, naturally ruled by Scorpio, and indeed may have some watery h a signof much depth, btw, in the natal. Is this so Trinklups??
3) I don't see Trinklups posts as depressive at all, but rather deep, probing and thinking always outside the box,
but moreso, not in the way of perhaps I do, via O I but moreso, as a very deep and always probing themysterious (and this would include behaviors of mankind of course) external world, to which he is a part, yetfeels separate from, as mostly ALL deeper thinkers of Philosophy must do imo., for self-analyzation.
Therefore he wonders aloud, as I do often, about what is going on in the world, outside of just the superficial
things in life.
4) Trinklups says he has the Nodes (past & future inclinations and purpose) in d j beyond the 3 important
planets in the 8th of sometimes obsession with certain themes in life and could be complicated by a
Quindecile (if existing) in the natal itself.
Perhaps, since he is the focus of this thread, as to his opinions about the outer world and is bothandobjective evidence of how he perceives the world, he will post the natal for us to then "probe" further.......
I'd like to think we have all given him some food for thought, and would hope he too will give feedback in thisrelevant way.
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« Reply #64 - on: 27.02.2013 at 19:57 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 27.02.2013 at 18:45 [UT]:Unless I'm mistaken and missed it, I checked the OP Trinklups older posts that can be seen, and find the following:1) he's a male not a female2) he has at least 3 planets in the 8th, naturally ruled by Scorpio, and indeed may have some wateryh a sign of much depth, btw, in the

natal. Is this so Trinklups??
3) I don't see Trinklups posts as depressive at all, but rather deep, probing and thinking always outside the box, but moreso, not in theway of perhaps I do, via

O I but moreso, as a very deep and always probing the mysterious (and this would include behaviors ofmankind of course) external world, to which he is a part, yet feels separate from, as mostly ALL deeper thinkers of Philosophy must do
imo., for self-analyzation. Therefore he wonders aloud, as I do often, about what is going on in the world, outside of just the superficial
things in life.
4) Trinklups says he has the Nodes (past & future inclinations and purpose) ind j beyond the 3 important planets in the 8th ofsometimes obsession with certain themes in life and could be complicated by a Quindecile (if existing) in the natal itself.
Perhaps, since he is the focus of this thread, as to his opinions about the outer world and is both and objective evidence of how heperceives the world, he will post the natal for us to then "probe" further.......
I'd like to think we have all given him some food for thought, and would hope he too will give feedback in this relevant way.

you are right!!!! 3 planets in 8th!!!
and the highest planets in the chart are uranus and neptune
so I guess my ideas and thoughts may sound crazy to some....
you are right that the questions I post are not so much about me and my personal problems.
they are more reflections of life in general and human life in particular.

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« Reply #65 - on: 27.02.2013 at 20:43 [UT] »different age experience brings different perspective to the``happy ``and you just finished up with T NmA
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Gender:not to mention the T OmBo T JoB exact

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« Reply #66 - on: 27.02.2013 at 21:09 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 27.02.2013 at 19:57 [UT]:
Quote from Deborah on 27.02.2013 at 18:45 [UT]:Unless I'm mistaken and missed it, I checked the OP Trinklups older posts that can be seen, and find the following:1) he's a male not a female2) he has at least 3 planets in the 8th, naturally ruled by Scorpio, and indeed may have some wateryh a sign of much

depth, btw, in the natal. Is this so Trinklups??
3) I don't see Trinklups posts as depressive at all, but rather deep, probing and thinking always outside the box, but
moreso, not in the way of perhaps I do, via

O I but moreso, as a very deep and always probing the mysterious (and thiswould include behaviors of mankind of course) external world, to which he is a part, yet feels separate from, as mostly
ALL deeper thinkers of Philosophy must do imo., for self-analyzation. Therefore he wonders aloud, as I do often, about
what is going on in the world, outside of just the superficial things in life.
4) Trinklups says he has the Nodes (past & future inclinations and purpose) ind j beyond the 3 important planets in

the 8th of sometimes obsession with certain themes in life and could be complicated by a Quindecile (if existing) in
the natal itself.
Perhaps, since he is the focus of this thread, as to his opinions about the outer world and is both and objective evidence of
how he perceives the world, he will post the natal for us to then "probe" further.......
I'd like to think we have all given him some food for thought, and would hope he too will give feedback in this relevant
way.

you are right!!!! 3 planets in 8th!!!
and the highest planets in the chart are uranus and neptune
so I guess my ideas and thoughts may sound crazy to some....
you are right that the questions I post are not so much about me and my personal problems.
they are more reflections of life in general and human life in particular.

thanks for posting your chart
it did prove the point of maturity since at certain age we question if we supposed to be happy it looks like yourare barely in your 30s if even so
it also explains your questioning via NmA moving towards asc GmFoCk and nNb etc( this seems to berelated/stemming from your home roots/ family issues) are you closer to your mother than father( are you
separated from him in some way or is/was he in the picture etc? but perhaps it has nothing to do with the
purpose of this thread) and that's just at the glance without looking into progressions
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« Reply #67 - on: 27.02.2013 at 22:06 [UT] »Quote from PKea888 on 27.02.2013 at 03:03 [UT]:Sometimes I wonder do the so called happy go lucky types really exist...
know one...i think deb described one possibility ofwhat would be the astro portrait of this sort of person if you

F in the 1st but that's a little bit different egocentric sort of happinessHow about Jupiter in 5th house, conjuncting south node (abundant part of your psyche)? I have that andpeople always tell me I'm overpositive. Leo ascendant, Sun in 5th house in placidus seems to support it. Not
looking much beyond my own life (most planets in lower part of the chart) gives a sort of healthy selfcenteredness, even though I've a dream to make the world a better place. A lot of Scorpio can make you
gloomy and heavy, but it doesn't have to prevent you from seeing the other stuff that's there.
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« Reply #68 - on: 27.02.2013 at 22:10 [UT] »F in h 9th house of philosophy/religion, probing deeper for answers to life's mysteries, and obvious suffering
he sees.

l Rising, Water sign, very much so concerned about these things and much empathy at the same time.
A in the reflective 12th house, hidden and often confused here about the meaning of it all .
Bottom line is we can't know the truer answers until we cross over and it becomes clear then. (St. Paul)"looking thorugh a glass darkly" now simply speaks of perspective in the ego's sense of the word, through thelense of the ego self. The answers come moreso, when that part if put aside for the higher things. Yet, we stillcannot verify anything except to ourselves in the end.
All souls are on their own path of self-perfection, taking various routes to get there.
Your natal F in the 9th, does very well here for that path in life of (as Cat Stevens once sang, "on the road tofind out"as the harmonious p it makes to the hidden away (more subjective) A in the 12th, is also very friendly withthe sign of l (a co-ruler and ancient ruler of Pisces prior to I discovery).......hence, a nice harmony between
your F in the 9th (it's own house) as rulership and the 12th house A in l.
Since your A is also m fixed star SKAT, there may be a certain amount of suffering too, that the soul has
chosen for purposes known only to the higher self.

N verifies that this is so.

Cat Stevens now known as Yusaf Islam, in the 70s, on the road to find out, he was a very sensitive Ad near
the anaretic degree & MC in Cancer. He is now a religious teacher and runs girls schools in England I believe.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Stevens,_Cat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ--odAAA1A

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« Reply #69 - on: 27.02.2013 at 22:35 [UT] »take this thread as a place of reflection for all humankind, not as another "what is wrong with me" thread....

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« Reply #70 - on: 27.02.2013 at 23:19 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 27.02.2013 at 22:35 [UT]:take this thread as a place of reflection for all humankind, not as another "what is wrong with me" thread....

how can you make it astro forum related? humankind reflects on it at least once in a while regardless of thisthread or us
but your posted chart at least shows why you tend to reflect on this topic at the moment
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« Reply #71 - on: 27.02.2013 at 23:50 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 27.02.2013 at 22:10 [UT]:F in h 9th house of philosophy/religion, probing deeper for answers to life's mysteries, and obvious suffering he sees.
l Rising, Water sign, very much so concerned about these things and much empathy at the same time.
A in the reflective 12th house, hidden and often confused here about the meaning of it all .
Bottom line is we can't know the truer answers until we cross over and it becomes clear then. (St. Paul) "looking thorugh a glass darkly"
now simply speaks of perspective in the ego's sense of the word, through the lense of the ego self. The answers come moreso, when that

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All souls are on their own path of self-perfection, taking various routes to get there.
there may be a certain amount of suffering too, that the soul has chosen for purposes known only to the higher self.

It would be so cool if we were able to know more about this.
I find it odd that a soul that was after a particular outcome would pick a body that was going to be born into aworld where other things would have to be taken care of ie, rent, bills etc.
If souls are so smart why don't they take that into consideration? Don't they have a choice? Do they just get
thrown into the next body about to be born??
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« Reply #72 - on: 28.02.2013 at 00:14 [UT] »Quote from JustInes on 27.02.2013 at 23:50 [UT]:
Quote from Deborah on 27.02.2013 at 22:10 [UT]:F in h 9th house of philosophy/religion, probing deeper for answers to life's mysteries, and obvious suffering he sees.
l Rising, Water sign, very much so concerned about these things and much empathy at the same time.
A in the reflective 12th house, hidden and often confused here about the meaning of it all .
Bottom line is we can't know the truer answers until we cross over and it becomes clear then. (St. Paul) "looking thorugh a
glass darkly" now simply speaks of perspective in the ego's sense of the word, through the lense of the ego self. The
answers come moreso, when that part if put aside for the higher things. Yet, we still cannot verify anything except toourselves in the end.

All souls are on their own path of self-perfection, taking various routes to get there.
there may be a certain amount of suffering too, that the soul has chosen for purposes known only to the higher
self.

It would be so cool if we were able to know more about this.
I find it odd that a soul that was after a particular outcome would pick a body that was going to be born into a world where other things
would have to be taken care of ie, rent, bills etc.
If souls are so smart why don't they take that into consideration? Don't they have a choice? Do they just get thrown into the next bodyabout to be born??
Anyway, what I wanted to post here before going off on a little rant was I read somewhere recently that"your soul does not necessarily want you to have a good day"perhaps not all souls are that smart
or don't deserve permanent breaks and need a lessonsome suggest that younger "fresher" souls perhaps are getting an advance of good stuff in life, a score thatthey may very well waste
it also appears that we need to get a mastery of the material and everything else this world has to offer us tochallenge with, getting over it before moving to the next level so to speak
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« Reply #73 - on: 28.02.2013 at 16:02 [UT] »Quote from PKea888 on 28.02.2013 at 00:14 [UT]:
it also appears that we need to get a mastery of the material and everything else this world has to offer us to challenge with, getting overit before moving to the next level so to speak

As described in the poem, IF which shows us the blueprint for spiritual maturity and escape from the emotional
reactivity that ties us into 'the Matrix'.

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream---and not make dreams your master;If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and DisasterAnd treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minuteWith sixty seconds' worth of distance run,Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!

Rudyard Kipling
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« Reply #74 - on: 28.02.2013 at 16:25 [UT] »Quote from Psyche on 28.02.2013 at 16:02 [UT]:
Quote from PKea888 on 28.02.2013 at 00:14 [UT]:
it also appears that we need to get a mastery of the material and everything else this world has to offer us to challenge
with, getting over it before moving to the next level so to speak

As described in the poem, IF which shows us the blueprint for spiritual maturity and escape from the emotional reactivity that ties us into
'the Matrix'.

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream---and not make dreams your master;If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and DisasterAnd treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minuteWith sixty seconds' worth of distance run,Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!

Rudyard Kipling

It's so beautiful, I'm going to print it out for my grandchildren, and even though I knew of it as a youngster,
have long long forgotten this poem.
Loved, Kipling poems
As I read it all again, I realize in my old age now, that I have pretty much mastered ALL of the things hementions, except for two that stand out to me:1) speaking of losses, my emotions get the better of me still.....
It's the 21d Rising I think I have tocontain better then I do. My husband's B is 29d and keeps me in check (believe it or not), he is far better at
keeping loss to himself, far far better at it then I am. But then again he has C in the 12th Hs too)He seldom lets anyone know of his grief except for me. I think no one else in the world knows of it.
2)Tossing all winnings into one big pile to try a game of chance - NEVER. This isn't me period. Not with a jstellium, lol.
Yet, it would be nice. My mother could do this and often did, very easily. It took no effort really. But at thesame time she was responsible and paid her bills and took care of her children first. Then the rest was tossed.
A i Ci 2nd house of personal assets ruled by F in her 12th.
When I was a child mom use to laugh and tell the story of sending me to Catholic School, where i told a nun
who asked the class to stand up and tell everyone what their parents did for a living. I said, "Well, my dad
drives a cab and my mom plays the horses"
She loved that one! Perhaps that AB E stellium in my
6th tells about the service type of mundane positions of the father afterall.
After the taxi stint for years, heended up finally getting a position with some measure of security however, but again, "Social Security" issues.
Again, service related jobs.
Thanks again for posting that, I love it.
The part about the Dreams & the thoughts, (not making either your master) I particulary like too. It's more
Buddhist teaching, that all in the end is illusionary. So don't get caught up in either., learn to discern and use
them both as tools while you are here not as leading you by the nose unawares of this fact .

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« Reply #75 - on: 01.03.2013 at 09:22 [UT] »You're welcome, Deb. Thank you for the feedback. I just returned from a dream where I was in India, a place I
have never been. Apart from our so called physical world, I think there are many more 'bubbles' of reality allintermingled with ours and sometimes we shift between them.
For a mind-bending discussion on that, visit this thread:
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« Reply #76 - on: 01.03.2013 at 15:53 [UT] »Quote from Psyche on 01.03.2013 at 09:22 [UT]:
You're welcome, Deb. Thank you for the feedback. I just returned from a dream where I was in India, a place I have never been. Apartfrom our so called physical world, I think there are many more 'bubbles' of reality all intermingled with ours and sometimes we shift
between them.
For a mind-bending discussion on that, visit this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37928-Terrified-Woman-From-Anothe r-Universe-Wakes-Up-Here..-thanks for the link, psyche.
I've always believed in alternate realities as it makes the most sense to me, (the various lives all intercting andhappening at once) mostly unseen or unaware of them going on of course.
The reason I think this is, is because we are here on this earth for a very specific reason, and that is precisely
why the earth was created (for the souls to learn).....via the pain, suffering and whatnot.
But it certainly is NOT all there is.
I find it amazing still today, to think of all the asleep in the world, (consciousness wise) who actually believethat their physical body and brain is the entirety of the soul's experience. .......... I say to those folks, "forgod's sake, (i.e. for your OWN sake folks) WAKE UP!.........
Start reading, try the Gnostics, Plato, read and exercise your brains.
What did Einstein say about this? How much of the brain is actually in use?
This is a gift given to the human over eons of deveopment, yet we let it atrophy, caring only about material
things which as Jesus, (a wonderful example) warned, will "fade away" , the illusion of it all. Yet this is what
folks think is permanent? Amazing to me.
The ego can be quite dangerous when not controlled that way inperspective of what it actually is, simply a container of a far higher power within you.
Yet as Kipling certainly knew, you must not give over to one consciousness wholly one OR the other, but abalance or moderation is what is required to fulfill that which you are here to learn.
One cannot learn by escaping either. But neither can one progress by being ensconced simply in the material
realms & cares of the world. But to cling onto the ego (Id) as though it's a life raft is a clear road to
nowheresville when you lay this mortal body down.
The soul will ask, "what have you accomplished" andyou'll talk about money, and proving your intellectual prowess lording over another etc?......
I'm so glad my path was what it was in this lifetime, the parental background, the poverty of much of it, (onvarious levels), the eclectic philosophical views, etc that it encompassed and afforded me. Also the fact I
dropped out of school at 16, and for me anyway, I value this immensely as I took my own path of learning,self-educated and not a robotical mimic of a brain.
I don't recommend this for others however, I'm just wierd (wired differently) I suppose.
Also, I always thought Paul Simon's song spoke to me that way, as I resonated very well with that message.
The 1st stanza says it all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsDxvAErTU
Lyrics:When I think backOn all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of edu---cation
Hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall
Another I p O soul, albeit, his MC is where O is deposited, and in a critical degree.....hmmm.
pG
yet with such harsh vibrations, like his M certainly could not have been an easy path either for him.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Simon,_Paul
I never looked at his natal before this moment either, just liked that song very much and many of his song
lyrics & music.
Very creative guy.
Yet I also recall when he switched/changed his genre.
He was booed off the stage that year, in Columbia Md. the Merriweather Post Pavilion, in the 80s? ........when
without warning, his thousands of fans attending that night, (I was not there), but they demanded their moneyback!

Why? because he did a O switcharoo on them, and sang and performed not his iconic older 60s, 70s songs,
buthis "new revised life" songs, all with African flavor and African troupe onstage.
Boy what a riot ensued that night.

He dared to divert from the "norm" I suppose and shocked everyone.

looks like by 2012, they got use to it .......New thought takes time to integrate I suppose.
But he also went back to the "norm", because he knew which side of the bread was buttered too, and didn't
want to lose his fans (material realm) coupled with new thought. Moderation perhaps, G m O
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umAKNSJHyo8

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« Reply #77 - on: 01.03.2013 at 16:26 [UT] »Quote from Psyche on 01.03.2013 at 09:22 [UT]:
You're welcome, Deb. Thank you for the feedback. I just returned from a dream where I was in India, a place I have never been. Apartfrom our so called physical world, I think there are many more 'bubbles' of reality all intermingled with ours and sometimes we shift
between them.
For a mind-bending discussion on that, visit this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37928-Terrified-Woman-From-Anothe r-Universe-Wakes-Up-Here..-Posts: 1297
Gender:Ahhh Psyche... that tale in the link is why I adored the US television show "Fringe". So much of that show was
based on there being an alternative universe - the doorway to which was opened by a "mad" scientist
experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs, sensory deprivation tanks, etc.
I've always had a VERY vivid dream world, dreaming of people and places I've never been - all in color, and withsound. I cherish these vivid dreams when they come to me, and love when I'm able to go back to theseplaces in subsequent dreams - I do believe that there is a lot to the concept of alternate universes and that weall can live under a state of maya - allowing our eyes and senses to "trick" us into seeing and experiencing
reality that isn't real at all.....
What is real.. and what is illusion?

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« Reply #78 - on: 01.03.2013 at 16:35 [UT] »Speaking of Paul Simon's natal chart and his signature O m G p I (albeit in critical degrees) at the MC angle,(prior post), it apparently at least in the US then, (mid 80s) took awhile for the shock of the radical change ofthis pop star to sink to to the people, the masses. But eventually it did, in rather short time, as this Wikipedia
clip speaks to.
I believe in the same way, it takes a given period of time and willingness to embrace any new ideas andthoughts for the masses. There is much to be said for the instinct we term, survival of the fittest as ourconnection to the animal kingdom, of which we are a part. In order to survive, there are strong instincts whichfight, claw along the way to preserve both the herd mentality, (having strength in numbers) and so on.
Emotions that the human being has as part of their experience also doesn't easily give way, for the security
harkens back to the survival mode. It doesn't "feel" cushy or comforting to even consider for a moment thatthe id/ego is not "all there is" rather it's disquieting and even threatening to those who make it such or try to.
So we see humans all the time, building monuments to themselves, (literal ones as well as just subjectiveones)....to try & preserve at all costs this connection in which they believe, (one ego, one soul has assigned )which is as far from the truth, imo. that there is.
UFOs are one avenue that has very slowly become more embraced then before and worldwide, from Russia
to the US to Africa, the Middle East over to China. South America, everyplace . It's no longer fashionable toscoff at the idea that they exist, and we are not alone in the universe.
Rather, it took many decades of reporting, many scientists ex military or retired military, governors, a few
heads of state , people with a lot to lose in reputation etc. to "come out of the closet" so to speak, toeither admit they themselves find it very plausible OR that they themselves, or relatives they trust have seenthem.
A new path in consciousness will open , but it takes eons sometimes for it to become an accepted reality formost who stay asleep on the earth. It's far easier to laugh,scoff and just ignore then to open one's mind
to worlds yet unseen or not comprehended especially because of this ego connection to all it knows orperceived in the past, i.e. the outer world.
This is slow to change , but I don't expect any huge changes in my lifetime here . Rather I think we aresimply on the precipice of what we term the Aquarian Age, a new root race some say, a new consciousness
emerging , and it may take hundreds of years yet to coalesce. To go forward, we take ant size and not gigantic
size steps in thinking. That is far safer to the very fragile nervous system we also share as human. Not to
be rattled to the extent that our very physical existence becomes imperiled a thought so remote and different
from the more comforting. as too much at stake in other words for radical or quick changes. Those firmly
ensconced in the ego however, will be more rattled of course, and always feel threatened.
I recall at age 24 when I first had this presented to me, as a concept, I was a bit shocked and couldn't believethat "I" as "I" had always known myself to be, i.e. ha ha ha Be was not the AB & the stars, but part of amuch much more organized and higher system which "I" share....even to the extent the "I" eventually iseliminated or merges, (perhaps more likely it's also willingly so ) but not here of course, that would defeat theentire purpose of life .
Wasn't the Lord's Prayer also saying, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven?"....whereever that is.
http://www.answers.com/topic/coalesce

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Simon
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project that became the celebrated album Graceland, an eclectic mixture of musical styles including pop, a cappella, isicathamiya, rock,and mbaqanga. Simon felt that he had nothing to lose. He travelled to South Africa in an attempt to embrace the culture and find themost comfortable environment for recording the album. Sessions in Johannesburg took place in February 1985. Overdubbing andadditional recording was done in April, 1986, in New York. The sessions featured many South African musicians and groups, particularly
Ladysmith Black Mambazo. Simon also collaborated with several artists of his own culture, singing a memorable duet with Linda Ronstadt
in "Under African Skies", and playing with Los Lobos in "All Around the World or The Myth of the Fingerprints". Warner Bros. Records hadserious doubts about releasing an album of this eclecticism to the mainstream, but when it did in August 1986, Graceland was praised by
critics and the public and became Simon's most successful solo album.

geez, I still get emotional over this oldie but goodie, circa 1973:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd4iJkNCaZ8
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« Reply #79 - on: 02.03.2013 at 02:57 [UT] »today I was walking down the street and this woman was telling this little girl:"yes but you also have to try be good in this life, not just the following ones..."so now everybody believes in this theory of reincarnation?
to all the ones who posted on this topic, how would you live life if you were convinced that this is the one andonly life we have?
those who spread this theory of reincarnation many times also spread the theory that we are all one.
who can we all be one and at the same time be a person, then die, then reincarnate and so on.
that would make you a single entity.

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« Reply #80 - on: 02.03.2013 at 03:26 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 02.03.2013 at 02:57 [UT]:
today I was walking down the street and this woman was telling this little girl:"yes but you also have to try be good in this life, not just the following ones..."so now everybody believes in this theory of reincarnation?
to all the ones who posted on this topic, how would you live life if you were convinced that this is the one and only life we have?
those who spread this theory of reincarnation many times also spread the theory that we are all one.
who can we all be one and at the same time be a person, then die, then reincarnate and so on.

that would make you a single entity .

Probably so, but also aware of a certain uniqueness yet encompassing the Whole.
At least that's the idea.
You make the erroneous assumption perhaps? that there is really "time" outside of this reality when perhaps
the only arrow of time which exists is here.
Different strokes for different folks as they say.

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-time
Quote:The trouble with time started a century ago, when Einstein’s special and general theories of relativity demolished the idea of time as auniversal constant. One consequence is that the past, present, and future are not absolutes. Einstein’s theories also opened a rift in physics
because the rules of general relativity (which describe gravity and the large-scale structure of the cosmos) seem incompatible with thoseof quantum physics (which govern the realm of the tiny). Some four decades ago, the renowned physicist John Wheeler, then at Princeton,
and the late Bryce DeWitt, then at the University of North Carolina, developed an extraordinary equation that provides a possible
framework for unifying relativity and quantum mechanics. But the Wheeler-­DeWitt equation has always been controversial, in part because
it adds yet another, even more baffling twist to our understanding of time.

“One finds that time just disappears from the Wheeler-DeWitt equation,” says Carlo Rovelli, a physicist at the University of theMediterranean in Marseille, France. “It is an issue that many theorists have puzzled about. It may be that the best way to think about
quantum reality is to give up the notion of time—that the fundamental description of the universe must be timeless.”/ref: to all the ones who posted on this topic, how would you live life if you were convinced that this is the one
and only life we have?

No differently then the way i live each day.
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« Reply #81 - on: 02.03.2013 at 05:15 [UT] »so how can you guys say there is no time and at the same time say that you "learn" (in soul terms) and"evolve" (in soul terms) and all that?
learning, evolving, changing wouldn't be possible if there was no time.
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« Reply #82 - on: 02.03.2013 at 05:51 [UT] »Change is time. We just break it down into simple segments to give it relativity and perspective.

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« Reply #83 - on: 02.03.2013 at 06:07 [UT] »** can't edit my post, so I'm deleting one and repairing it here:
Quote from trinklups on 02.03.2013 at 05:15 [UT]:so how can you guys say there is no time and at the same time say that you "learn" (in soul terms) and "evolve" (in soul terms) and allthat?
learning, evolving, changing wouldn't be possible if there was no time.

How many senses are you aware of?
I think we know of 5. There are potentially more we have no clue about.
Time and Space according to Edgar Cayce are concepts created for the Soul's use.
Actually he said there are truly only 3 dimensions to the mind.
1)Time2)Space3)Patience
Have you honed patience?
We might look to the planet G Saturn to check our aspects with this planet to our personal planets....for a
few clues to that question, for instance, are they trine p , or q (meaning harmonious ones) OR are they possibly
m a planet (could also be harmonious of course, unless m a malefic planet like E then not so much so....
We do have to try & keep the thread in some astrological context too, as this is an astrology forum to keep it
going.
Saturn is my idea anyway of a concept of learning about responsibility & patience. It's a planet we associatewith "time" (sometimes called Kronos) a Greek word for time (Chronos) sometimes called "Father time" as
Saturn denotes (such as when you had your 1st Saturn Return a little time back), as the planet Saturn returned
to it's place in the natal chart then you were coming into a newer understanding that brought a more "mature"reaction within yourself, thanks to space & time.
SATURN RETURN(Age 28-30)
Quote:
Certain astrological patterns occur universally--that is, everyone gets them at approximately the same age. One of those astrologicalpatterns is the "Saturn Return" which occurs when transiting Saturn (where it is in the sky now) returns to the same position in the zodiac
which Saturn occupied when you were born. Everyone experiences a Saturn Return around age 28-30.
A number of psychologists have also studied life cycles and changes. They note that adulthood is just as much a time of shifts aschildhood. We do not stop growing and changing when we "come of age." Life is a continuing process of development. One Harvard study(by Daniel Levinson and others) noted seven major transition (crisis) periods in the men they studied. (This particular study only
examined men.)
During transition periods, people reappraise their lives, leave the old, begin the new. Sometimes the changes are quite far reaching. The
transition periods identified by psychology correspond neatly with major transiting (astrological) patterns. Levinson stressed the "AgeThirty Transition" and "Mid-Life Transition" as the most universally experienced of these crisis periods.
The "Age Thirty Transition" corresponds to the Saturn Return (which occurs around age 28-30). Astrologically, the issues center aroundtime, structure, responsibility, power and accomplishment.
One common experience is that people suddenly feel "old," perhaps for the first time. "I'm almost thirty," the inner refrain goes, "andwhat have I done with my life?" A sense of time passing emerges, with more urgency to accomplish something lasting. People are likely
to examine their lives to date and judge their achievements (or what they see as lack of achievements ).

Actually I think everything you need to know is already inside of you. The soul is already perfect, but while inMaya (illusion), it turns and turns and creates more confusion for itself, hence reincarnates.
Evolution or perfecting a vibration doesn't necessarily involve the concept of time. This is simply a "tool" weuse.
I think that's the question you are asking.
And I don't have all the answers, but I'm sure that you can always investigate the subject more fully by reading
the Links I provided already as well as reading alternate theories. Gnostic theory for some more mystical folks,
quantum theories for the more scientifically inclined, perhaps Buddhism for others (like books by the Dalai
Lama or others in the local libraries.)
Not sure if there are available astrology books covering any of these theories, although there is Spiller &McCoy's book "Spiritual Astrology" and the Schulman series, on Karmic Astrology (4 separate small books in aseries) available on Amazon.
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« Reply #84 - on: 02.03.2013 at 06:16 [UT] »Good Points Mattaou
Link for the quote above on the SAturn Return:
http://www.tellmylife.com/saturnReturn30.htm
Here is a great little Video for you Trinklups .......gives a visual presentation about time as a concept,
relative to speed:(two twins who age differently) in the same "time" frame from earth's vantage point (which is a misnomer,
really)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa81lP9MR0I
Bottom line however, is time is "relative" to you and your observation of it.
This was proven and is known throughout space travel as well.
One traveling in outer space still grows but not at the same "speed" of (say we are talking about aging now),......as another (say one's brother) left here on earth. There would be a marked difference.
Without "time" which is simply a concept, then all things are possible. Growth of a soul included. Growth can beexperience on different planes of observation. Ones that do not include a concept of time. It's simply handy for
us to use.
We "grow a beard, or hair" during a certain "time frame" that's all.
It's simply a concept (a creation)

not an absolute and that's proven now in science.

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« Reply #85 - on: 02.03.2013 at 09:34 [UT] »You explain with real clarity, Deb. You've clearly thought about these things rather deeply.
Saturn is the Guardian of this 3d reality, of maya, of the matrix of form worlds. He marks the outer 'edge' ofthe personal. Through him, the Soul projects a temporary reality that concretizes itself.
The oneness is expressed by Neptune. Each of us is an aspect of the oneness, but of course we are not all 'thesame' because we each have a unique voyage into and out of maya.
When trapped by our senses in maya, we look for happiness in all the wrong places, swayed by the saturnian
structures all around us that tempt us, compel us, to align ourselves with "programmes" that society at large
adheres to. Saturn and Pluto are the planets that bind us into programmed, mostly unconscious behaviours
based upon the lower 3 chakras.
I found an interesting page that talks about Saturn, Neptune and the Matrix (scroll down for the section).
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html

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« Reply #86 - on: 02.03.2013 at 15:45 [UT] »Quote from Psyche on 02.03.2013 at 09:34 [UT]:
You explain with real clarity, Deb. You've clearly thought about these things rather deeply.
Saturn is the Guardian of this 3d reality, of maya, of the matrix of form worlds. He marks the outer 'edge' of the personal. Through him,
the Soul projects a temporary reality that concretizes itself.
The oneness is expressed by Neptune. Each of us is an aspect of the oneness, but of course we are not all 'the same' because we eachhave a unique voyage into and out of maya.
When trapped by our senses in maya, we look for happiness in all the wrong places, swayed by the saturnian structures all around us that
tempt us, compel us, to align ourselves with "programmes" that society at large adheres to. Saturn and Pluto are the planets that bind
us into programmed, mostly unconscious behaviours based upon the lower 3 chakras.
I found an interesting page that talks about Saturn, Neptune and the Matrix (scroll down for the section).
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html

I think my natal chart depicts this actually....the ability that is, since I was born really.
I'm rather certain I'm at the end of the cycle and not coming back to this plane, and the Parans charts(available here for Brady) do not give the meaning of these stars, but mine pretty much verifies this although I
don't need further verification of this, I'm rather sure of it already, the meanings of these parans can be had by
writing for the free report from Zyntara if one wishes to have it. For me, it speaks of being a teacher of higher
truths, (and I see this as K placements & aspects in my natal chart) for me. Someone once tipped me off to
the NN in c and the SN in i which helped me to contemplate what this could possibly mean in this regard.
Supposedly c (if well honed lifetimes that is, always the caveat), can depict for instance, someone who"disseminates" the information, while the SN in i often is a collector of info. Just like we think and see somany i to be
The last trip is always the hardest, as I tried to say much much earlier in this thread about suffering.
Anyway, I'll read the link, (thanks) when I get the time regarding Saturn.
For those interested, actually he spoke quite a bit about this realm we refer to as Saturns realm. (Names are
just ways we use to identify certain symbols)......so not a physical planet Saturn, but rather the "realm" weassociate with the planet he spoke of.
When it first came up in the readings it had to do with a lifetime of his own (out of a myriad of them given)that was anything but productive. In this one, the name was given as John Bainbridge of Virginia. Where Cayce
himself eventually ended up in older age
It was during the Indian Revolution times back in the early part of this country's settlement by the white man .
The man had been a trapper of skins as was a popular type of income career back then. He was also (as Cayce
referred to this lifetime) a "ne'er do well"., someone that wasted the opportunity of life with carousing,
womanizing, self-gratification mostly, etc. Just as Cayce termed it "a wastrel".
Having not a whole lot to redeem here, when this personality passed over it went to the Saturn realm (myunderstanding of the reading which I no longer have in front of me), for what Edgar Cayce called "theRecycling"
The energy that is, of what we once were, (a personality) is recycled and any parts of it I suppose that is worthy
for the soul's merging, is then used. The rest discarded.
I suppose if I had a lifetime in the cycle of lives lived that was a total waste, (from the objective neutral
perspective of an oversoul), then I can see the point.
Time is short. I hate to sound like John the B.
Here is a link about the remoulding or recycling realm of Saturn in this respect:caveat: of course this is just a concept, just as Jane Roberts (as Seth) also had concepts she gave. We takewhat we want of the information and we leave the rest on the table. At least that's what I do, take what makes
sense to you and neglect the rest of it. The planets like ABCEEFG all describe in some form or another,various lifetimes we've lived here. In this solar system. The traits we assocaite wth those symbols, (like mine
being ADEj Di etc. ) then the aspects, (he says) are what the soul had done with the lifetimes energies,
how well they were parlayed and integrated (in the in between realms, such as being mentioned here below):
Quote:

Saturn afterlife realm is not a pleasant place according to Cayce. Cayce said this is the realm where all inadequate flesh goes to be
redone. A soul may banishes itself to theG realm to begin anew. This place is also known as the Great Changer, the great force forstarting over. Sometimes when Cayce would begin a reading for someone, he would identify what the last afterlife realm that soulexperienced before entering the Earth realm. He would not limit himself to a person's past lives on Earth, but would include their lives in
the cosmos as well. During a reading, Cayce told a person he identified as having previously experienced an incarnation in the

G realmthat "God loves those who are willing to start over."

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce08.html
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« Reply #87 - on: 02.03.2013 at 15:58 [UT] »I'd be interested to hear some of your natal positions too Psyche should you wish to share them .
Sounds like you've been on the path a long time yourself.
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« Reply #88 - on: 02.03.2013 at 16:35 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 27.02.2013 at 16:53 [UT]:
IF we take Cayce's word for it then, Joseph was at least 1 lifetime that the soul which became the Christ also encompassed.

Yes that's correct. Edgar Cayce said the Christ spirit has appeared in our world some thirty times going back to
Atlantis and Lemuria.

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« Reply #89 - on: 02.03.2013 at 16:43 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 02.03.2013 at 05:15 [UT]:so how can you guys say there is no time and at the same time say that you "learn" (in soul terms) and "evolve" (in soul terms) and allthat?
learning, evolving, changing wouldn't be possible if there was no time.

I talk about subjects like this on the amazon forums. I had the following message saved.
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Gender:Time is a mysterious subject that is not well understood by the scientific community.
Jeff Marzano says:
IFeelFree says:[World history is ultimately a kind of movie that can be viewed from any point of view, in any order.]There's a theory that people can be reincarnated into any time period past or future or even live the same life
experience over again. This is based on the idea that time does not exist in the spirit world. From the spirit
world we see all possible times as potential places where we can be reincarnated. Like someone who dies today
could be reincarnated in ancient Egypt.
Then before we are born we see the plan that The Fates have created for the lifetime we are about toexperience. Consciously we don't remember this plan but the super conscious does remember and it gives us
glimpses of this plan in the form of intuition.
Those types of theories like someone repeating a past life raise many strange and paradoxical questions. If
someone were to live the same life over again and change even the slightest thing this would create a ripple
effect that would affect everyone and everything else. This implies that everyone and everything else would
have to exist in that same alternate future even though they had also experienced it already in a different way.
That's called the butterfly effect which is also the name of some morbid movies about this subject. I guess thatname means if someone traveled to the past and brought back a butterfly into the present this would screw
everything up.
I'm not sure but I think those types of theories match up with some of the more abstract scientific theories out
there today like quantum mechanics and the idea that the universe is a hologram of possible futures which may
or may not actually happen in this physical world.
There's a theory also that sometimes (not always) when people see flying saucers those are our ancestors from
Atlantis traveling through time.
Ufo...Contact from Planet Iarga [Hardcover]
Stefen Denaerde (Author), Wendelle C. Stevens (Author)
The Holographic Universe By Michael Talbot [Paperback]Same Soul, Many Bodies: Discover the Healing Power of Future Lives through Progression Therapy [Paperback]
Brian L. Weiss (Author)

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« Reply #90 - on: 02.03.2013 at 16:53 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 02.03.2013 at 06:07 [UT]:Time and Space according to Edgar Cayce are concepts created for the Soul's use.
Actually he said there are truly only 3 dimensions to the mind.
1)Time2)Space3)Patience

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Have you honed patience ?

Gender:That's an interesting statement by Edgar Cayce where he said patience is like a separate dimension.
Maybe he meant patience is like a state where time and space have merged and sort of slowed down to a pointof being almost frozen.
Cayce was I believe the reincarnation of the great Osiris, the Egyptian Lord Of The Underworld. We can only
imagine what Cayce never revealed for whatever reasons when the Osiris personality took over.
Edgar seemed to focus more on the spiritual truths that are implied by the mysteries of Atlantis and ancient
Egypt rather than on the many technical and scientific details of subjects like the pyramids.
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« Reply #91 - on: 02.03.2013 at 17:24 [UT] »how could I believe that the soul is eternal when everything, even the universe itself is not eternal?

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« Reply #92 - on: 02.03.2013 at 17:49 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 02.03.2013 at 17:24 [UT]:
how could I believe that the soul is eternal when everything, even the universe itself is not eternal?

And so you believe in a beginning, an end, and not in Infinity then? The Old Testment given to all, talks ofInfinity, (god without a beginning without end)
Infinity has no such boundaries as conceived of here, and this universe is one of many I'm sure.
It's just it's all you know of and can conceive of now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity
Even IF the universe we know of is not eternal as you say, it will always exist in some form, as matter cannot becreated nor destroyed (Einstein), a basic law of Physics.
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« Reply #93 - on: 02.03.2013 at 18:00 [UT] »Quote from Jeff Marzano on 02.03.2013 at 16:53 [UT]:
Quote from Deborah on 02.03.2013 at 06:07 [UT]:Time and Space according to Edgar Cayce are concepts created for the Soul's use.
Actually he said there are truly only 3 dimensions to the mind.
1)Time2)Space3)Patience
Have you honed patience ?
That's an interesting statement by Edgar Cayce where he said patience is like a separate dimension.
Maybe he meant patience is like a state where time and space have merged and sort of slowed down to a point of being almost frozen.
Cayce was I believe the reincarnation of the great Osiris, the Egyptian Lord Of The Underworld. We can only imagine what Cayce neverrevealed for whatever reasons when the Osiris personality took over.
Edgar seemed to focus more on the spiritual truths that are implied by the mysteries of Atlantis and ancient Egypt rather than on the
many technical and scientific details of subjects like the pyramids.

actually, the quote (I don't have the reading number) as I recall it now,is " In Patience, possess ye your souls "So time & space are gifts we are given by our creator (whatever one wishes to conceive of as a creator, be it
an oversoul, a god, a godling (one of many,etc)...........( I always think of the Hermetic chart for the planets,
fixed stars and heirarchy when I think of it) various realms I suppose.
3 Dimensions here then, and Patience is the key to the other two. Or in the material world, someone once said,"time" is a dimension, and so the 3 we are familiar wtih, ( length, breadth, width) turns into 4 I suppose wehave discovered and know of . More then likely infinite in numbers too.

Meditation seems to be really relevant then to practice patience and steadying the mind which wanders via
it's natureWith a Sidereal c ASC, I know about a wandering mind.

That needs more "time" to conquer for me soon.

As soon as J gets the hell off my personal planets, I'll attend to it again.
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« Reply #94 - on: 02.03.2013 at 18:02 [UT] »we can believe in whatever we want.
but the universe we live in tells us that everything that has a start must have an end.
everything that is born must die.
the only things that some believe to be eternal are god (no way to prove his existence) and the soul (no way toprove it's existence).
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« Reply #95 - on: 02.03.2013 at 18:23 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 02.03.2013 at 18:02 [UT]:
we can believe in whatever we want.
but the universe we live in tells us that everything that has a start must have an end.
everything that is born must die.
the only things that some believe to be eternal are god (no way to prove his existence) and the soul (no way to prove it's existence).

As you wish trinklups, it's a free world, choose any way or belief system you wish.
We can respect others and their ideas, yet not agree with them either. That's the beauty of free choice.
That's why I say, all are on their own unique path.
My mom was really a funny lady, and use to make fun of my ideas and beliefs when I was young. I use to tellher about my reading books about ghosts in Ireland, the fairies, the elves, nymphs, whatever and she'd roarwith laughter.
She had a great wit and a great mind really. But it was also closed in some ways to those things. She use tosay, "The English and Irish are always seeing ghosts" and she'd laugh and laughuntil tears ran down her
face .
A&C

i (last decan) with h Rising.

When I think of her now, I realize her soul could not have the boundaries so firm in the mind as my soulperhaps entertained at that time. After all, F when part of the higher vibration is known as expansive andwithout set boundaries, (that's G territory or my own ) F was more her territory (Ruler of her Sun & Mercury)
well defined in her natal chart too. p O J and her G exalted in g with a bit of practicality built in, via K
25f, puts SN 25l
I tried not to get insulted as she'd roar and laugh , and brushed it off as "oh, she's just my mom"........and kept
reading. She thought it was ridiculous to believe a personality would reincarnate too.
enough, why in the world would one come back".

She said, "one life is

So be it, that was her.
However, I also came to understand myself, as my thoughts grew and evolved and changed over the many
decades, that in some ways this wise i is probably right afterall, .........we DO create our reality, and we are
not the personality in the end. Maya and illusion is probably at the heart of it all.
But it's a matter of belief and choice what to believe at any given time in our lives.
Many change their thoughts and opinions as they age in life. Some never do. It's their perogative however.
When my mom died, she appeared to me in a dream one night with a message. The message was (tell R(myhusband who she loved dearly) and "the others" that we can change form here)
Where is here?
I supposed the astral realms at the time, (if I needed boundaries that is)
And the dream turned into a lava lamp she was showing me.
They were very popular back in the 1960s & 1970s. My grandmother owned one too.
I don't see one online to link to, exactly like this dreamdepicted , but for those who don't know what this was,it was a lamp that changed into multiples of various colors, hues, etc, constantly shifting & changing it's
form & color . Quite hypnotizing really.
http://www.oozinggoo.com/timeline60.html
Life is like that, things happen and we change.
I know I did. But then again, many do not.
As for Proof of the existance of a soul?
Never done yet that I'm aware of, for those needing proof, but a great book was out many years ago, called"The Great SoulTrial". It was a prospector who lived and prospected for gold in the early 1950s, in the
Superstition Mountains named James Kidd.
Mr. Kidd left a small fortune back then, left it all in his will to someone who could prove the existence of
the Soul.
It was an actual court case, based on the true story of this eccentric but questioning man.
Many vied for this inheritance, quite a few organizations at the time, then the judge honed the numbers down
to a few.
I think the winner however, was Eileen Garrett's org. I'll need to look it up.
I know a Medical Institution was one, (the Barrow Institute a big institution in Arizona ) and various Scientificorgn. But Garrett's org. the " American Society for Psychical Research" I think won it all. Can't now recall all
the details whether it was a jury trial or the judge awarding in the end, but a fascinating book.
Perhaps because I live in the shadow of the Superstition Mt. myself I was enthralled by this entire story.

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petitioners including the American Society for Psychical Research and the Psychical Research Foundation who argued that the Barrows
people expressly stated they did not deal with issues of the soul and “life-after”. The case was appealed to the Supreme Court where thejudge’s ruling was reversed and the funds were awarded to the ASPR who in turn shared them with the PRF

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« Reply #96 - on: 02.03.2013 at 18:29 [UT] »What do they have to do with happiness? Longevity and happiness, are they synonyms? When you've liven along enough life, or seen enough trouble, death can start to seem more and more a serene thing, no matter
what's on the other side (I really dont believe it's hell there, it's a younger concept in christianity, but
anyhow..). When you've seen enough bad stuff, you might begin to think that it's better to use your life forsomething rather than float in this ether and let it take it's course. If all of us is temporary, then I'd say thatcan be all the more reason to make more out of that temporary existence, as in "you might as well gamble yourlife on something that can give happier life to both yourself and others".
What is this external "everyone's happiness"? I dont understand, maybe because I'm a selfish person... mythoughts and dreams are my own, so how can they be something others have? No amount of external
happiness can bring me the same kind of happiness that's inside... the flavor will be that of a ready-madefactory food instead of a mama-cooked one. I guess everyone can think differently there though, so if you do,then it's still up to you to find your own happiness instead of trying to loan a dream of another person. Livingin the illusion that unity can bring us more happiness than what it actually can, is the source of discontent.
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« Reply #97 - on: 02.03.2013 at 18:55 [UT] »I think Mikko hit it head on that the quest for happiness is purely personal. We can look to others for guidance
but never will two people have the same path. Trying to define your own happiness by other people's happinessseems to me a futile struggle. You will never find the answer without.
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Threads like this can be constructive, but getting angry at other people for having other definitions ofhappiness is decidedly not. Even if you can define a part of your happiness as "the complete opposite of person
X's idea of happiness" though, that is a start.

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« Reply #98 - on: 02.03.2013 at 20:18 [UT] »I think the paths that we all follow are quite similar if you skip out the details.
same thing with animals.
we all have the same basic structure and the same basic needs and aims.
I'm still not sure whether concepts such as "my spiritual path" and "me as a separate entity (eternal soul)" help
us or actually drive us further away from where we are supposed to be going.
maybe life is just an attempt of separation (spiritual, physical, mental).
hence sex is seen as a way of "dying".
the thing is the further away we get from that idea of separation and the more we embrace oneness witheverything, the closer we get to death.
hence aries and taurus being stronly associated with "me" while pisces is associated with "all" or "universe".
so I guess astrology, just as life, shows that everything is a cycle.
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« Reply #99 - on: 03.03.2013 at 12:08 [UT] »The idea of Saturn as a realm, not just a planet, is very interesting.
It implies that planets may have their own specific frequency that imprints itself upon us at birth.
It reminds me of Castaneda's writing about the Assemblage Point (AP). Here is a little bit of what he said, notsure what book as I scribbled it down in a notebook "The Assemblage Point is fixed by habit. The AP selects the emanations of the Eagle (the oneness?) that we
experience. Self-absorption keeps the AP fixed as do our habits - physical, emotional, mental.
When a blow shifts our AP, we perceive differently. When it shifts suddenly (a Uranus strike?) we can feel crazyand deranged because we are. You lose your mind, your regular 'inventory' (your story). A different world is'assembled'."Say you are strongly influenced by Saturn (or the asteroids Kronos or Admetos). Your attitude is to find things
to be miserable about. You are feeding misery into the Saturn realm and also absorbing misery from it. If you
die tomorrow, perhaps the Saturn realm 'takes you in permanently' or at least until your next descent into
physical reality.
It would help us all to try and work out what realm our assemblage point is in, and shift it if we can; work out
where happiness might lie and take ourselves there by conscious, focused effort to amend our habits.
Of course some people are happy to be unhappy (or so it seems), to find things to constantly complain about.
That is the Saturn realm working through them, always looking for more food.

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« Reply #100 - on: 03.03.2013 at 17:28 [UT] »theory says that everybody is strongly influenced by saturn.
the only planets that dare challenge saturn are uranus, neptune and pluto (the ones outside it's orbit).
and even with the influence of those we are supposed to have a flexible saturn (flexible boundaries).
but saturn will still be the one that gives us security, even with those.
as for the "time doesn't exist" idea, I think it is so far from the world we see and experience that trying toimagine it is in vane.
even astrology is related to time.
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« Reply #101 - on: 03.03.2013 at 18:11 [UT] »Quote from trinklups on 03.03.2013 at 17:28 [UT]:
theory says that everybody is strongly influenced by saturn.
the only planets that dare challenge saturn are uranus, neptune and pluto (the ones outside it's orbit).
and even with the influence of those we are supposed to have a flexible saturn (flexible boundaries).
but saturn will still be the one that gives us security, even with those.
as for the "time doesn't exist" idea, I think it is so far from the world we see and experience that trying to imagine it is in vane.
even astrology is related to time.

Tad Mann's theory is based on "psychological time" primarily for experiences dictated as natal promises when
one is born.
What is psychological time?
If we were to look at a natal chart and see it as a "blueprint" for experience, within a certain "framework" oftime, we understand then, that the framework of time, is a made up one. The framwork follows the biologicalclock of course, that all humans are born with the older paradigm. No doubt it served a good purpose, but asfor all paradigms, we know are created in the mind.
Of course even with this realization comes the physical fact that this earth operates on a physical scale of linear
time only, (i.e. the arrow of time) beginning to end and only in the subconscious can we seemingly escape thisclock ticking on our walls or wristwatches. The dream state and alternate states of consciousness, we self inducewith effort.
We are referrring then to the larger framework of course, not the linear confinements of time (as a dimensionof mind) itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDajcGcKiAM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Thank goodness, that we have scientists still who have an imagination. to see beyond
the noses on their faces only. This brings evolution to the primate called man eventually destinedfor much higher things then contemplating only the known from their beginning root race, the3 dimensions theory.
Fascinating you tube........see what you all can make of it.
unfortunately, we do not have Hawking's tob, so have to make do with the known .
The known then, is his South Node in the 16th° of l to help him over and above the staidness of the earthly
vibrations that otherwise, seem to keep him tied down. Imagination, it's so important, imo.
I'd love to know his 12th house cusp and planets within.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Hawking,_Steven
TIME as a conceptual reality, is part of a Paradigm, that we have both created and accepted, en masse formillions of years.
However, even that accepted paradigm-framework model is slowly changing.
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In conclusion, for millions of years we have been evolving and will continue to do so. Change is difficult. Human Beings resist change;
however, the process has been set in motion long ago and we will continue to co-create our own experience.
Kuhn states that "awareness is prerequisite to all acceptable changes of theory" (p. 67). It all begins in the mind of the person. What

we perceive, whether normal or metanormal, conscious or unconscious, are subject to thelimitations and distortions produced by our inherited and socially conditional nature.
However, we are not restricted by this for we can change. We are moving at an accelerated rate of speed and our state of consciousness istransforming and transcending. Many are awakening as our conscious awareness expands.

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« Reply #102 - on: 03.03.2013 at 18:29 [UT] »Quote from Psyche on 03.03.2013 at 12:08 [UT]:
It implies that planets may have their own specific frequency that imprints itself upon us at birth.

Yes I have heard this also.
There's a theory that the Great Pyramid in Egypt represents the experiences that our souls have in this solar
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system which I guess would include the other planets and the Sun. When a soul has completed its experiencesin our solar system the next place it goes is the system where Polaris, the North Star, resides.

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In 2004 Polaris became aligned with the entrance to the Great Pyramid.
I would be interested in knowing if there is any significance to the naming of the planets after the mythologicalgods beyond just a casual connection between what the myths say about those immortals and the basic
characteristics of the planets.
Edgar Cayce said the following about the influence of the planet Neptune:
Neptune: Attracted to the mysterious; mystical, idealistic, otherworldly, and devotional; attracted to the sea
and other forces of nature.
As I think about it I should probably try to find a book about Cayce's views on astrology.
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« Reply #103 - on: 03.03.2013 at 20:40 [UT] »time may be anything, maybe it's not the last frontier or the greatest truth...
the point is, we as humans will always be tied to saturn and time.
if you take saturn out of the map you would probably be taking out life as we know it, our conscious self, etc.
our existence basically.
who knows what would be left then?
is it even important?
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« Reply #104 - on: 03.03.2013 at 21:58 [UT] »Quote from Jeff Marzano on 03.03.2013 at 18:29 [UT]:
Quote from Psyche on 03.03.2013 at 12:08 [UT]:
It implies that planets may have their own specific frequency that imprints itself upon us at birth.

Yes I have heard this also.
There's a theory that the Great Pyramid in Egypt represents the experiences that our souls have in this solar system which I guess would
include the other planets and the Sun. When a soul has completed its experiences in our solar system the next place it goes is the system
where Polaris, the North Star, resides.
In 2004 Polaris became aligned with the entrance to the Great Pyramid.
I would be interested in knowing if there is any significance to the naming of the planets after the mythological gods beyond just a casualconnection between what the myths say about those immortals and the basic characteristics of the planets.
Edgar Cayce said the following about the influence of the planet Neptune:
Neptune: Attracted to the mysterious; mystical, idealistic, otherworldly, and devotional; attracted to the sea and other forces of nature.
As I think about it I should probably try to find a book about Cayce's views on astrology.

The metaphysical theory has to do with the so-called "root race" (see theosophy, Bailey, etc. and Edgar Cayce aswell for root race of humankind)
Pre-Adamic would be the Atlantean "theory".....of a root race of the soul's entry into this plane.
As for any books on Cayce's take on Astrology, found in one place?
I don't think you'd find it in a cohesive one book form .
I have perhaps 5 various ones, but it depends on the type or area of interest.
For instance, The Perfect Horoscope by John Willner goes into the justifications for thinking differently about
the ASC based on Cayce and the late Willner's interpretations (not necessarily is he accurate either) Just
another viewpoint being espoused.
Then there is the Ry Redd book, really meant for folks with a thorough understanding of the readings andintimacy of some of them as regards the particular people involved. It offers a lot and I'd recommend this one
is you can find it off market used.
There is the "Secrets of Astrology" by Kirk Nelson, (I liked because of the chart given there for Jesus birth,the miracle at Cana, the death, etc. Probably on Amazon too.
There is Church & Gammon book, "Edgar Cayce's Astrology for the Soul" (these are all available inpaperback and can be found used too, so even if some are rather elementary with excerpts from readings, there
might be some interest in them.
Redd's book is less elementary then the others I think.
I don't know of one comprehensive cohesive book on Astrology & Edgar Cayce, most are bits & pieces of thereadings extracts of what he said, then the author's own view mostly.
He was rather cryptic all in all. And that is what made Ry Redd's book all the more intriguing because of his
valuable research digging deeper then the rest imo.to bring it together in a better understanding.
Actually I had a thread a few years (perhaps at least twice on this book and some of the charts) and may still beavailable by searching for it.

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time may be anything, maybe it's not the last frontier or the greatest truth...
the point is, we as humans will always be tied to saturn and time.
if you take saturn out of the map you would probably be taking out life as we know it, our conscious self, etc.
our existence basically.
who knows what would be left then?
is it even important?

Depends on your philosophy and foundation of same. For instance, I take a lot of stock, because it parrallels
my own philosophy when Edgar Cayce said the Planets & stars were created for man's needs, and not the otherway around.
That means they are tools or a footbridge symbolically to further spiritual self-understanding.
They are not "the be all that ends all" as intimated.
Excerpt example:
Quote:
Think on This...
. . . ye are part and parcel of a universal consciousness or God--and thus of all that is within the universal consciousness, or the universal
awareness;as the stars, the planets, the sun, the moon. Do ye rule them or they rule thee?
excerpted from reading # 2794-3 Edgar Cayce

along the lines of the late astrologer, John Willner books: (where he got his idea for the books)
note: Ed Faris a member here, once did a editorial on the book that can be helfpul and found on Amazon if you
want to read it first. The books about the Ascendent, perhaps a different name for that one.
readings such as this one, (excerpts)
1861-16 Excerpt:
19. (Q) Please give the hour of my physical birth.
(A) The physical birth and spiritual birth here were different. As we find, 8:05 was the physical birth.
note: [Mr. [1861] told us later that he was born at 8:05 P.M. His mother had a fall in the afternoon and he wasborn prematurely that evening.]
20. (Q) The soul birth?
(A) Six hours different. Not to the moment, but in general. Six hours later.

22. (Q) What is my ray?
(A) Depends on what you are thinking! Remember, life is vibration. So is mind. So is matter. As to the ray, thischanges. Don't think you sit on a ray and it carries you along! You make the ray!

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« Reply #105 - on: 03.03.2013 at 22:18 [UT] »Here are a few Cayce on astrology quotes I saved:

311-10 reading excerpt:
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27. (Q) Would it be well for me to make a study of astrology?
(A) Well for everyone to make a study of astrology! for, as indicated, while many individuals have set about to prove the astrologicalaspects and astrological survey enable one to determine future as well as the past conditions, these are well to the point where theindividual understands that these act upon individuals because of their sojourn or correlation of their associations with the environs throughwhich these are shown - see? Rather than the star directing the life, the life of the individual directs the courses of the stars, see? for was
it not given when His star appeared?

from line 28: excerpt same reading: regarding the Ages Astrologically, such as "Age of Aquarius", hepostulated:

Quote:The individual activity is a thing of itself, see? for, as may be illustrated in Life - as of an individual: It may be said that the line ofthought in the present is towards a change in the Aries age from the Pisces, or from the Aquarius, or to those various activities, see? butit doesn't mean that every individual changes, for each individual has its own development. As we look about us we see thevarious spheroids, spheres, planets or solar systems, and they have their individual activity. Look at the soul of man and know it may beequal to, or greater; for it must be man's ability to control one of such! Vast study, yes!
28. (Q) Who is giving this information?
(A) Zorain. Student with Zoroaster, yes.

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« Reply #106 - on: 04.03.2013 at 08:44 [UT] »Quote from Psyche on 03.03.2013 at 12:08 [UT]:

It would help us all to try and work out what realm our assemblage point is in, and shift it if we can; work out where happiness might lie
and take ourselves there by conscious, focused effort to amend our habits.

"You make the ray" (Cayce).

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« Reply #107 - on: 04.03.2013 at 10:09 [UT] »@Jeff Marzano
Re: "As I think about it I should probably try to find a book about Cayce's views on astrology."
I would recommend (in this order):1. The complete readings (available from A.R.E.)
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3. The Edgar Cayce Companion
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« Reply #108 - on: 04.03.2013 at 18:05 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 03.03.2013 at 21:58 [UT]:There is the "Secrets of Astrology" by Kirk Nelson, (I liked because of the chart given there for Jesus birth, the miracle at Cana, thedeath, etc. Probably on Amazon too.

I just read recently that some people say Christ was born around the beginning of the Age Of Pisces.
Do you agree and if so when do you think Pisces will end or did it already end ?
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« Reply #109 - on: 04.03.2013 at 18:28 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 03.03.2013 at 22:18 [UT]:Here are a few Cayce on astrology quotes I saved:
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Rather than the star directing the life, the life of the individual directs the courses of the stars, see? for was it not given
when His star appeared?
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(A) Zorain. Student with Zoroaster, yes.

Those are some strange statements.
Edgar said the Star Of Bethlehem is Arcturus and this star is always in the center of the universe. The bible
seems to indicate that this star appeared mysteriously or is it still there even now ?
Also according to Edgar there were several different groups of magi or wise men who came and paid homage to
the Christ child. These visitors gave encouragement to Mary who was probably still trying to comprehend
exactly what all of this meant with the mysterious birth.
The magi described in the bible were astrologers from the Persian area if I recall correctly. Edgar told a guy
that he was the reincarnation of one of those magi and he was one of the few people alive at that time who
could have understood Einstein's Theory Of Relativity.
This is indicating that whenever the Christ spirit appears in our world there will be secret priesthoods who will
somehow know this.
Edgar also said a guy by the name of Zend was Christ in another incarnation and Zend was the father of
Zoroaster.
Edgar is in that Persian mix also. I think he was Zend's father. This is getting into the idea that Edgar Cayce
and Christ have been reincarnated together at various times.
Cayce felt that whenever Christ appears in our world His appearance is influential on the spiritual thought of thehuman race.
It would be interesting to read the writings of people like Zend and the great Thoth since these may be thewords of Christ Himself. However those writings may have been lost to us forever, at least in their originalform.
Zend's writings have been preserved in something called the Zend Avesta.
Whatever's left of Thoth's teachings are called The Hermetica.
More complete forms of those writings may have been kept at the Library At Alexandria which was burned downin what must certainly be one of the greatest acts of stupidity in the history of the world. Sadly however it isfar from the only such act.
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« Reply #110 - on: 04.03.2013 at 18:31 [UT] »Quote from James Alexander on 04.03.2013 at 10:09 [UT]:
I would recommend (in this order):Thanks for the info. I'll save your list for future reference.
I have the disk that somehow installed all of ECs readings on my computer but I haven't tried using it yet. It
did create the icon on my Windows desktop.
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« Reply #111 - on: 04.03.2013 at 19:42 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 04.03.2013 at 19:20 [UT]:
Edgar asked him often (you can read the reports on the case too on this disk ) to become the official first Astrologer for the neworganization he formed while alive.

This is a very interesting subject for me.
Edgar told quite a few people that they were alive when Christ was here and they had in some cases known
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The statements Edgar made about Mary Magdalene are fascinating and he told a lady that she was in fact thereincarnation of Mary Magdalene.
EC gave an explanation for why the early Christians felt that Christ would return during their own lifetimes.
The bible passage in question is:◄ Matthew 16:28 ►"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in
his kingdom."
Cayce said a misunderstanding occurred. What Christ meant was that some of those people would bereincarnated during the time period when those events would really happen. He may have been talking about
the end of the Age Of Pisces, not their own generation.
So this may be a case where people who were eye witnesses and actually heard Christ say something didn't
really understand what He was talking about.
That's why I'm trying to find out when the Age Of Pisces ended or will end. This may be a case where biblicalprophecy matches up with astrology.
There was also a very close relationship between people who had experienced the Trojan War period and Edgar
Cayce. Edgar said that two of the people who had been closely involved with his work and his ARE organization
had been Achilles and Hector in past lives.
Edgar said he himself had experienced the Trojan War as a guard stationed at the gates of Troy. He said he had
been an eye witness when Achilles tied Hector to his chariot and dragged him around. Hector was still alive atfirst but then his head hit a stone pillar and his brains got bashed out. Carrion birds swooped down and ate
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« Reply #112 - on: 04.03.2013 at 21:28 [UT] »@ Trinklups.
Even if you only pick one thing.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/570218.Dalai_Lama_XIV
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« Reply #113 - on: 05.03.2013 at 00:43 [UT] »Ref:
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That's why I'm trying to find out when the Age Of Pisces ended or will end. This may be a case where biblical prophecy matches up withastrology.
There was also a very close relationship between people who had experienced the Trojan War period and Edgar Cayce. Edgar said that twoof the people who had been closely involved with his work and his ARE organization had been Achilles and Hector in past lives.
Edgar said he himself had experienced the Trojan War as a guard stationed at the gates of Troy. He said he had been an eye witness when
Achilles tied Hector to his chariot and dragged him around. Hector was still alive at first but then his head hit a stone pillar and his brains
got bashed out. Carrion birds swooped down and ate the brains.

I honestly don't believe anyone can say for certain when the Age will being or end. Probably not in our lifetime,
but supposedly, we are on the precipice of the changing age.
There are many theories today.
As for Achilles & Hector saga, (try #900-1 (series of readings ) , the man named Morton Blumenthal) born:
April 6 1895 6PM Altoona Pa. died April 9th, 1954. He and his brother Edwin had hundreds of readings, morethen anyone else in the A.R.E. early days.
They made a fortune (millions) on Wall Street, thanks to Edgar's help then. However, suffered a huge loss aswell afterwards, (but not when everyone else did, during the Great Depression, they actually stayed on top)
Younger brother Edwin had been St. Jude during the years Jesus roamed the earth. a brother I think then.
However, in this life with Morton they were primarily interested in money and making a LOT of it, which theyboth did.
The relationship with the Cayces started out good, but ended very poorly at least with Morton. Lots of negative
karma created for another lifetime I'm sure ensued for him (Morton) for he never really forgave Edgar and held
hard feelings towards him till the end . Edgar for his part, forgave his indiscretions and admitted to his own
personal input for the failures when a hospital the brothers had financed during this time (the 30s) failed.
He actually married a woman in this lifetime, (an actress very beautiful) who had been told she was Helen inthat life.
They divorced and it was very bad for their child, a son. Morton's only child was bereft of a father
image/archtype, and had some serious mental problems all his life. That doesn't bode well either for karma.
The son was reading 142-1 (I can't recall his name).....born 4/4/27 in New York, NY. 4:45PM.
Such a sad case, it makes me sad even talking about it. The father (900) seems to have disowned him, (he wasborn with M in the 1st house 3g and when his father passed away, TR Ceres was 3Libra over this place in the
1st even though he hardly knew the man. In the natal chart I have, the TR A & asteorid Moirae, are TR over
his natal A midpoint between natal A & natal Moira, (the father died 5 days after his birthday ) I neverchecked the prog. chart.
As I said the boy was mentally unstable all his life, and Mr. Cayce warned the parents at his birth about theneed for a stable home life, much of it was presentience I appears of what was potentially to come. They did
break up when he was very young, and it all came to pass.
From a promise of a great life potential to a total downfall, but all seen ahead of time by Mr. Cayce (thedownfall) .......
and lack of stable home .
Not everyone of course would have been so adversely affected as he was. He was born with O in the 7th, near
the cusp, so the marriage house in the conception chart.
As I recall, once having the book "Dreams Your Magic Mirror" by Elsie Sechrist, most of the dreams related inthis book were the dreams of the young woman (136-1) who had been Helen and turned out to mother thisunfortunate son from this union.
She did a remarkable job with her son, taking care of him all her life pretty much single handedly.
A difficult life she ended up having.
http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-Magic-Mirror-Interpretations-Edgar/dp/0876043538

I didn't read much of the Achilles/Hector saga, but do recall that Edgar said in that lifetime (as a guard at theGate) who let them in, he felt so much remorse and guilt that he committed suicide, and that is WHY theplanet of Extremes, (Uranus O ) was conjunct his ASC when he entered as Edgar Cayce. Exactly on the ASC.
That part I do recall.

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« Reply #114 - on: 05.03.2013 at 01:46 [UT] »Quote from -Nada- on 04.03.2013 at 21:28 [UT]:@ Trinklups.
Even if you only pick one thing.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/570218.Dalai_Lama_XIV

I like this one
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« Reply #115 - on: 05.03.2013 at 02:08 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 05.03.2013 at 00:43 [UT]:
I honestly don't believe anyone can say for certain when the Age will being or end.

Boy that's too bad nobody knows when the different astrological ages start and end. Since nobody knows I'm
sticking with the Mayans and believing it ended on December 21.
I can tell you are well informed and knowledgeable about Edgar Cayce.
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Gender:Another interesting connection is the reincarnated Achilles' had a woman working at his company who was thereincarnation of Achilles' mother during the Trojan War period. In the experience during the 20th century thislady was able to manipulate men in the wrong ways using her sexual charms.
This is interesting for me because in Homer's Iliad story Achilles' mother was the nymph Thetis who was a sortof goddess. That's why Achilles was half mortal and half immortal or a demigod.
Thetis had also been Joan Of Arc. The Joan Of Arc story is very strange and sinister. Joan had these weird
visions that lead her down a very dangerous and ultimately tragic path. Cayce told her:
"In the name - Joan Of Arc. The entity then in that of the present experience finds that desire to lead, to guide,
to direct - yet, as is seen, the power of the abilities seem ever not just in the right direction."
Cayce's comment makes me think that Joan Of Arc, although considered a saint by the Catholic Church, may
have become involved with evil and dangerous spiritual forces.

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« Reply #116 - on: 06.03.2013 at 19:27 [UT] »There is Jesus and then there is Christ.
Christos merely means 'Annointed' and the annointment concerns the descent of light into form, hence theprincipal of Christ descending into the form of the man named Jesus.
Christ consciousness seeks those who can harbor, stabilize, ground and embody the energy.
Hence, you too can be annointed.
But do not confuse the two or you will miss the plot.

Quote from Jeff Marzano on 04.03.2013 at 18:28 [UT]:
Quote from Deborah on 03.03.2013 at 22:18 [UT]:Here are a few Cayce on astrology quotes I saved:
Quote:
Rather than the star directing the life, the life of the individual directs the courses of the stars, see? for was
it not given when His star appeared?
Quote:(Q) Who is giving this information?
(A) Zorain. Student with Zoroaster, yes.

Those are some strange statements.
Edgar said the Star Of Bethlehem is Arcturus and this star is always in the center of the universe. The bible seems to indicate that thisstar appeared mysteriously or is it still there even now ?
Also according to Edgar there were several different groups of magi or wise men who came and paid homage to the Christ child. These
visitors gave encouragement to Mary who was probably still trying to comprehend exactly what all of this meant with the mysterious birth.
The magi described in the bible were astrologers from the Persian area if I recall correctly. Edgar told a guy that he was the reincarnationof one of those magi and he was one of the few people alive at that time who could have understood Einstein's Theory Of Relativity.
This is indicating that whenever the Christ spirit appears in our world there will be secret priesthoods who will somehow know this.
Edgar also said a guy by the name of Zend was Christ in another incarnation and Zend was the father of Zoroaster.
Edgar is in that Persian mix also. I think he was Zend's father. This is getting into the idea that Edgar Cayce and Christ have beenreincarnated together at various times.
Cayce felt that whenever Christ appears in our world His appearance is influential on the spiritual thought of the human race.
It would be interesting to read the writings of people like Zend and the great Thoth since these may be the words of Christ Himself.
However those writings may have been lost to us forever, at least in their original form.
Zend's writings have been preserved in something called the Zend Avesta.
Whatever's left of Thoth's teachings are called The Hermetica.
More complete forms of those writings may have been kept at the Library At Alexandria which was burned down in what must certainly be
one of the greatest acts of stupidity in the history of the world. Sadly however it is far from the only such act.

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« Reply #117 - on: 06.03.2013 at 19:27 [UT] »Quote from Psyche on 03.03.2013 at 12:08 [UT]:The idea of Saturn as a realm, not just a planet, is very interesting.
It implies that planets may have their own specific frequency that imprints itself upon us at birth.
It reminds me of Castaneda's writing about the Assemblage Point (AP). Here is a little bit of what he said, not sure what book as I
scribbled it down in a notebook "The Assemblage Point is fixed by habit. The AP selects the emanations of the Eagle (the oneness?) that we experience. Self-absorption
keeps the AP fixed as do our habits - physical, emotional, mental.
When a blow shifts our AP, we perceive differently. When it shifts suddenly (a Uranus strike?) we can feel crazy and deranged because weare. You lose your mind, your regular 'inventory' (your story). A different world is 'assembled'."Say you are strongly influenced by Saturn (or the asteroids Kronos or Admetos). Your attitude is to find things to be miserable about. You
are feeding misery into the Saturn realm and also absorbing misery from it. If you die tomorrow, perhaps the Saturn realm 'takes you inpermanently' or at least until your next descent into physical reality.
It would help us all to try and work out what realm our assemblage point is in, and shift it if we can; work out where happiness might lie
and take ourselves there by conscious, focused effort to amend our habits.
Of course some people are happy to be unhappy (or so it seems), to find things to constantly complain about. That is the Saturn realm
working through them, always looking for more food.

I am double pisces and specialize in non-sequiturs, yet this is about as unrelated a leap as I've ever seen.
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It would help us all to try and work out what realm our assemblage point is in, and shift it if we canperhaps the meaning of assemblage point can be understood within context rather than try to force square peg
into round hole?
HOW in the world would that help us?
should you succeed in shifting the assemblage point, most unlikely you will try to relate it to Saturn as a realm
or astrology in general for your MIND will be NULL and VOID!
That is your mind at work but to shift the AP requires INTENT, not mind, for it is learning to LET GO of themind that quite literally GRIPS reality which brings about the necessary energy and movement to align anotherband of the Eagle's emanations. This is not armchair philosophy or internet forum astrology but serious
understanding of the mechanism for perception and the way in which we perceive quite literally paints the
picture of WHAT is perceived.
The term, 'the Eagle' is used metaphorically even though THAT which is being perceived is beyond mere
analogy, for there is NO EAGLE 'out there' rather the MIND because its function is to SEPARATE OUT, that is,
CLEAVE AND DIVIDE, the mind interprets what it perceives, i.e. the Unspeakable or so-called 'source of Life' as
an 'Eagle' because of the contour, appearance (i.e, phenomenal aspects) but also because of its action or
activity, namely, It, the Eagle, is devouring the awareness of all sentient beings alive a moment before and now
dead, for that is the nourishment and food of the Eagle, awareness, the bundles of energy which we borrowfrom the Spirit upon descent to the physical plane and upon death the Eagle reclaims all that and in reclaiming
becomes enriched by the sensations/physical plane experience, i.e. your very essence, your life/awareness.
It is no mere analogy for the term 'the Eagle' was coined after multiple generations of seers would SEE thesource of life in its ceaseless flux, and this was accomplished through paired assignments or teamed viewing,
because to SEE the Unspeakable is to briefly 'EXIT' the realm or band of man, the emanations of energy whichmake us human, meaning that those seers whose research eventually lead to coining the term 'the Eagle' often
paid the price for such knowledge with their life and/or sanity! It is not as simple as turning on the televisionand passively accepting what signals are transmitted, but quite literally, due to the energetic exchange, such
SEEING brings one OUT of the realm of the Human Being, meaning what we perceive we become, there is atransmission of energy, a gradual attunement, hence why many of those ancient seers are by today's standards'non-human'.

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« Reply #118 - on: 07.03.2013 at 08:42 [UT] »Thank you Cor Leonis, that was a lucid explanation.
I think you have understood it at a deeper level than me.....
From Psyche in her armchair...
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« Reply #119 - on: 10.03.2013 at 07:00 [UT] »Story from the pen of DrKoo
Three men set out on the same journey, separately. Fate
eventually brought them together at a acrossroad, where they arrived from three different directions. The younger good looking man was a musician; hecarried a guitar and loved to sing about spiritual matters and love. The second man a little older, sporting awispy beard was an alchemist and occultist who worked with the rays of existence. The third was an old Hindu
Swami. The two younger men paid their respects to the old man by agreeing to hear his offered tale. They
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"Be happy in everything” he told them. “Search for happiness and throw away your desires.”
The following morning the two younger men took their leave of the old man and together they took the fourth
way and journeyed together for two days. The two became good friends and arrived at a sacred ashram andremembering the old swami they decided to stop there for the night. They shared a campfire and considering
the old mans paradoxical advice.
"Be happy in everything, search for happiness and throw away your desires".
“Surely?” the alchemist asked the other “the seeking of happiness is a desire is it not?'.
The musician took the cue. “I’m an alcoholic, a wine-o.” He told his friend of his love for alcohol. How he hadsworn off the grog and was unhappy
now because he missed the grog. Instead of drinking with his friends,
he now traveling alone, with a herb he had grown and confessed that he now desired to smoke some, to help
forget his past happiness.
The alchemist listened with great interest, and was keen to share his own story. He told his new friend that hehad also been hooked, but he had been addicted to grass, he loved to get stoned
with his mates and it
used to make him very very happy. He had been arrested so had given up smoking pot. “I no longer need it
but now travel with some fine red wine, which I now desire to drink because it drowns my sorrowof lostjoy.
Upon hearing of the little forbidden treasures that each of them now carried with them in their backpacks, onto
the sacred ground of the Ashram, both men laughed and saw each others weaknesses and gratefully gave up
and traded each ones desire for the others thus both rediscovered their forgotten happiness.
True story!

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« Reply #120 - on: 10.03.2013 at 20:02 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 05.03.2013 at 00:43 [UT]:As I recall, once having the book "Dreams Your Magic Mirror" by Elsie Sechrist, most of the dreams related in this book were the dreamsof the young woman (136-1) who had been Helen and turned out to mother this unfortunate son from this union.
http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-Magic-Mirror-Interpretations-Edgar/dp/0876043538

This book sounds interesting.
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written by the lady who Edgar Cayce said was Helen Of Troy in a past life.

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« Reply #121 - on: 10.03.2013 at 20:14 [UT] »Quote from DrKoo on 10.03.2013 at 07:00 [UT]:
True story!

So what's the motto of your story ? Become an alcoholic and a pot head and you will be happy ?

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The beginning got me thinking about alchemy which is an interesting subject.
My understanding is there was a form of the philosopher's stone material that could be ingested. This
substance is represented in the Egyptian hieroglyphics as a cone shaped object that is presented to thepharaoh.
I guess the initiates would consume the stone before they experienced the initiation rites. Why they did this I
don't know. Maybe the stone allowed them to experience different levels of consciousness or something along
those lines.
It seems like the initiates would sort of merge with the energies of the pyramids. I suspect the pyramids werealive somehow. Maybe they still are.

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« Reply #122 - on: 10.03.2013 at 21:00 [UT] »Quote from Jeff Marzano on 10.03.2013 at 20:02 [UT]:
Quote from Deborah on 05.03.2013 at 00:43 [UT]:As I recall, once having the book "Dreams Your Magic Mirror" by Elsie Sechrist, most of the dreams related in this bookwere the dreams of the young woman (136-1) who had been Helen and turned out to mother this unfortunate son fromthis union.
http://www.amazon.com/Dreams-Magic-Mirror-Interpretations-Edgar/dp/0876043538
This book sounds interesting.
I didn't fully understand what you said when I read it the first time. It sounds like you mean this book was written by the lady who Edgar
Cayce said was Helen Of Troy in a past life.

No. Elsie Sechrist is not the same woman, she is the author who wrote the book about Dreams and theInterpretation of Dreams. She used mostly the dreams of the woman to whom you are referring however,#136-1 who was Helen and in this lifetime (early 1900s) had been an actress & wife of Morton
Blumenthal. Cayce's associate. Therefore, they each rec'd hundreds of readings and many of them were
dreams they wanted interpreted.
Elsie brings to the reader, some of the interpreted dreams.
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« Reply #123 - on: 10.03.2013 at 21:18 [UT] »Quote from Jeff Marzano on 10.03.2013 at 20:14 [UT]:
Quote from DrKoo on 10.03.2013 at 07:00 [UT]:
True story!

So what's the motto of your story ? Become an alcoholic and a pot head and you will be happy ?
The beginning got me thinking about alchemy which is an interesting subject.

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Egyptian hieroglyphics as a cone shaped object that is presented to the pharaoh.
I guess the initiates would consume the stone before they experienced the initiation rites. Why they did this I don't know. Maybe the stone
allowed them to experience different levels of consciousness or something along those lines.
It seems like the initiates would sort of merge with the energies of the pyramids. I suspect the pyramids were alive somehow. Maybe they
still are.

Hey Jeff, Good question, but it's about reaching out, sharing your life with others, like we're doing here rightnow. Exchanging stories, making changes, allowing others to experience and grow from our mistakes. This
doesn't mean change should be significant or have deep meaning, its just about feeling happy, even if it is just'chilling out'. Maybe we have to experience the dark side, to experience the joy of survival or resurrection;
which is a form of self alchemy if it's conscious and understood.
But to the question, "Is life suppose to be happy?" If you're a Hindu, some happiness comes from suffering andthe belief that this suffering will lift you to a higher cast in the next life where you will be happier. But the truth
has been stated constantly throughout history not only through religion but by philosophers, wise wo/men andis the basis of romantic literature. Lasting happiness comes from being loved which can only result from loving
others. So it's our choice, if we're too miserable to love, then we suffer.
The travelers in the story were on a path, searching for the answer too, maybe?
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« Reply #124 - on: 10.03.2013 at 22:14 [UT] »Quote from DrKoo on 10.03.2013 at 21:18 [UT]:The travelers in the story were on a path, searching for the answer too, maybe?

Yes it happens sometimes in life that people get off the straight and narrow path and walk with Satan and thedemons for a time. This is perhaps like a crossroads.

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There seems to be many things in life that disguise themselves as happiness. Some people are perhaps able tosee through those disguises more quickly than others.

Gender:Others however don't want to see through the disguise and they don't want those things to ever take the maskoff. For those people a lie becomes their happiness I guess.
"Hell is truth seen too late." - H.G. Adams (et al)◄ Matthew 6:21 ►For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
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« Reply #125 - on: 10.03.2013 at 22:56 [UT] »Quote from Jeff Marzano on 10.03.2013 at 22:14 [UT]:
Quote from DrKoo on 10.03.2013 at 21:18 [UT]:The travelers in the story were on a path, searching for the answer too, maybe?
Yes it happens sometimes in life that people get off the straight and narrow path and walk with Satan and the demons for a time. This isperhaps like a crossroads.
Others however don't want . . . to ever take the mask off.

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Astrology is a mask, but it's also a dynamic paradigm which can reveal the truth about ourselves. In this there
is free will, choice, put on the mask, or use the paradigm to understand ourselves first.
I think most astrologers are on the path, those that use it for self empowerment and material enrichment often
wear the mask.

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« Reply #126 - on: 11.03.2013 at 01:08 [UT] »Quote from DrKoo on 10.03.2013 at 22:56 [UT]:
I think most astrologers are on the path, those that use it for self empowerment and material enrichment often wear the mask.

It sounds like you mean there's a dark side to astrology.

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« Reply #127 - on: 11.03.2013 at 01:11 [UT] »Quote from Deborah on 10.03.2013 at 21:00 [UT]:No. Elsie Sechrist is not the same woman, she is the author who wrote the book about Dreams and the Interpretation of Dreams. She
used mostly the dreams of the woman to whom you are referring however, #136-1 who was Helen and in this lifetime (early 1900s)
had been an actress & wife of Morton Blumenthal. Cayce's associate. Therefore, they each rec'd hundreds of readings and many ofthem were dreams they wanted interpreted.

This still sounds very interesting for me.
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You're right the Achilles guy had many sessions with Edgar.
So I've got this book to look into plus the one about Cayce and astrology.
I would say Edgar Cayce had a way of explaining mysterious subjects at a level that most people can relate to.

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« Reply #128 - on: 11.03.2013 at 01:46 [UT] »Quote from Jeff Marzano on 11.03.2013 at 01:08 [UT]:
Quote from DrKoo on 10.03.2013 at 22:56 [UT]:
I think most astrologers are on the path, those that use it for self empowerment and material enrichment often wear themask.
It sounds like you mean there's a dark side to astrology.

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These is no light without dark.

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« Reply #129 - on: 11.03.2013 at 04:28 [UT] »Quote from Nikki10 on 26.02.2013 at 13:52 [UT]:Happiness is both a state and an emotion, a bit like contentment. You can have the underlying state as happy and/or content but have a
had day, or experience another emotion temporarily.
An emotion will always be transient, if your in a happy state though you won't experience such a big peak or trough , it wil be a dip but

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I have to agree with this. I think happiness is underlying states. My chart is an easy chart they say and I haveto say in general I've always been a rather happy person, expecting life to be simple, like my chart. Other
people make life difficult alot though and they create the transient fluxes in my life but I have my stellium on
my DC so this would apply. People make life much harder than it needs to be. So I do tend to keep to myself
most the time to keep my happy underlying state consistant. Most of my adult life was consistant when I did
all my yogas for 12 years, it was when I started dating men at age 31 than happiness really fluxed because they
made life really complex and I was learning alot about men. Now my life physically is easier (right now) andcontentment is there. But I also am warry of constant contentment as its a breeding ground for spiritualstagnation as well. Pain is the great motivator to a seeker of Truth or Liberation.
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« Reply #130 - on: 11.03.2013 at 04:31 [UT] »Quote from Jeff Marzano on 11.03.2013 at 01:08 [UT]:
Quote from DrKoo on 10.03.2013 at 22:56 [UT]:
I think most astrologers are on the path, those that use it for self empowerment and material enrichment often wear themask.

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It sounds like you mean there's a dark side to astrology.

Gender:Jeff....take a breath. There is a dark side to EVERYTHING........ duh... come on.
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« Reply #131 - on: 11.03.2013 at 11:56 [UT] »Quote from -Nada- on 04.03.2013 at 21:28 [UT]:@ Trinklups.
Even if you only pick one thing.

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http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/570218.Dalai_Lama_XIV

Well. He isn't perfect either..Ask him about homosexual munks....
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« Reply #132 - on: 11.03.2013 at 13:12 [UT] »Quote from Sun Kitty on 11.03.2013 at 04:31 [UT]:
Jeff....take a breath. There is a dark side to EVERYTHING........ duh... come on.

What forms does the dark side of astrology take ?

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« Reply #133 - on: 11.03.2013 at 13:47 [UT] »Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 11.03.2013 at 11:56 [UT]:
Quote from -Nada- on 04.03.2013 at 21:28 [UT]:@ Trinklups.
Even if you only pick one thing.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/570218.Dalai_Lama_XIV
Well. He isn't perfect either..Ask him about homosexual munks....

Alrighty then I will!
Quote:The Dalai Lama is well known for his activism for human rights, and this specifically includes equal rights for gays. According to an Officeof Tibet spokeman, "His Holiness opposes violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation. He urges respect, tolerance,compassion, and the full recognition of human rights for all."http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/buddhism.htm

Re "is life supposed to be happy" - imo, life is not "supposed to be" anything. Life simply is what it is - what
you make of it is up to you. As long as basic survival needs are met, everyone has the potential for happiness.

Consider wild animals in their natural state - are they "happy"? Provided they're not sick, starved, injured,frozen or otherwise threatened, seems to me they're pretty content! But animals don't have the mental
capacity of humans; they don't spend their time and energy questioning, judging or complaining about thequality of existence. They just live every moment to the fullest, taking care of themselves as well as they can,blissfully free of the incessant "clatter in the attic" we humans are subject to..
.. sounds rather idyllic, doesn't it?
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« Reply #134 - on: 11.03.2013 at 22:26 [UT] »Quote from Jeff Marzano on 11.03.2013 at 13:12 [UT]:
Quote from Sun Kitty on 11.03.2013 at 04:31 [UT]:
Jeff....take a breath. There is a dark side to EVERYTHING........ duh... come on.
What forms does the dark side of astrology take ?

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Gender:Self empowerment and material enrichment, most good things eventually become corrupted. Take
Astro.com for instance. It has always been a great public astrology venue, free charts and forum etc., But over
the years we are seeing the site shift towards advertising and so called astrologers pushing more and moreridiculous products based on superstition and myth, for what? Money? Google ads that follow us around basedon what sites or products we've visited before. This is not astrology! This is an industry like any other feedingon itself for survival, a viral war for digital supremacy. And we're the meat. Materially enhanced astrologers thenform institutions, with so called "professional ethics," designed to alienate astrologers that won't conform.
Judgement becomes clouded when survival and money is involved. A new question arises, "Where can I find a
genuine astrologer?" I met Athena Star Woman, may she RIP, She made tens of millions of dollars throughtelephone astrology, untrained woman reading scripts, a model based on the telephone sex industry. This is thedark side of astrology.
As I said before, read the novel. In the novel The Neptune Vortex, 'professor Wolf' takes on the dark side ofastrology, a good read, that will make you happy.
www.theneptunevortex.com

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« Reply #135 - on: 12.03.2013 at 02:16 [UT] »after reading some messages here it seems most people don't think life is supposed to be happy, at least not all
the time.
however most people seem to want to avoid saying life is not happy.
I guess this could be like a self defense mechanism.
if you say life sucks all the time you'll just get depressed and all that.
that's why even though life sucks many times we sort of try to avoid facing it, or at least try to find a way
around it (life is teaching me, making me stronger, etc).
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« Reply #136 - on: 12.03.2013 at 09:59 [UT] »Quote from splash on 11.03.2013 at 13:47 [UT]:
Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 11.03.2013 at 11:56 [UT]:
Quote from -Nada- on 04.03.2013 at 21:28 [UT]:@ Trinklups.

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Even if you only pick one thing.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/570218.Dalai_Lama_XIV
Well. He isn't perfect either..Ask him about homosexual munks....

Alrighty then I will!
Quote:The Dalai Lama is well known for his activism for human rights, and this specifically includes equal rights for gays.
According to an Office of Tibet spokeman, "His Holiness opposes violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation.
He urges respect, tolerance, compassion, and the full recognition of human rights for all."http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/buddhism.htm

Re "is life supposed to be happy" - imo, life is not "supposed to be" anything. Life simply is what it is - what you make of it is up to you.
As long as basic survival needs are met, everyone has the potential for happiness.
Consider wild animals in their natural state - are they "happy"? Provided they're not sick, starved, injured, frozen or otherwise threatened,
seems to me they're pretty content! But animals don't have the mental capacity of humans; they don't spend their time and energy
questioning, judging or complaining about the quality of existence. They just live every moment to the fullest, taking care of themselves
as well as they can, blissfully free of the incessant "clatter in the attic" we humans are subject to..
.. sounds rather idyllic, doesn't it?

This is written word and with no source given. I once saw an interview with him where he said that it was not
acceptable to be gay as a munk.
Also, on that very same site (in fact right above your quote) it sais this:"The Dalai Lama was more specific in a meeting with Buddhist leaders and human rights activists in San
Francisco in 1997, where he commented that all forms of sex other than penile-vaginal sex are prohibited for
Buddhists, whether between heterosexuals or homosexuals. At a press conference the day before themeeting, he said, "From a Buddhist point of view, [gay sex] is generally considered sexual misconduct."

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« Reply #137 - on: 12.03.2013 at 11:27 [UT] »Hi Curiosa;
Like Catholic priests, Buddhist monks are expected to live a life of celibacy - meaning abstaining from any kindof sex, be it with males, females, baboons, bananas ..
Buddhist monks can be of whatever sexual orientation they please, as long as they're not sexually active.
It appears the present Dalai Lama's personal views differ from traditional, prohibitive Buddhist teachings on
homosexuality. His teachings and philosophies are based on kindness, compassion and tolerance for all.
More here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality
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« Reply #138 - on: 12.03.2013 at 16:15 [UT] »Quote from splash on 12.03.2013 at 11:27 [UT]:
Hi Curiosa;
Like Catholic priests, Buddhist monks are expected to live a life of celibacy - meaning abstaining from any kind of sex, be it with males,
females, baboons, bananas ..
Buddhist monks can be of whatever sexual orientation they please, as long as they're not sexually active .
It appears the present Dalai Lama's personal views differ from traditional, prohibitive Buddhist teachings on homosexuality. His teachingsand philosophies are based on kindness, compassion and tolerance for all.
More here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#Sexuality

To repress natural born human hormonal behaviors, sounds like trouble to me. But what do I know?
I think it's not natural and moreso then both disciplines/religions should be altered to allow for marriages, if
that is the preference, it's at least a start in the right direction.
A committed sexual bond between two consenting adults who are committed legally to each other.
Then, the problem of money for the church comes into play I suppose. And they (at least in Rome) are doing
everything humanly possible to keep the riches they've amassed or what is left of it before the sex scandals
gets it all in the payouts and settlements, not to mention the lawyers.
It's a trying time for them now, what with the Bank scandal looming, and that nasty won't go away sexual
thing in the background .
I recall Edgar Cayce when asked suggested that spiritually, masturbation is always harmful to the soul. For it
only involves one person the ego self.
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« Reply #139 - on: 01.04.2013 at 18:21 [UT+1] »Quote from James Alexander on 04.03.2013 at 10:09 [UT]:@Jeff Marzano
Re: "As I think about it I should probably try to find a book about Cayce's views on astrology."
I would recommend (in this order):1. The complete readings (available from A.R.E.)

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3. The Edgar Cayce Companion
Take careJames

I just ordered those books. At least I think they are the right ones.
I've been a Cayce fan for many years so the chances are pretty good that I will read them.
I had a disk with all the Edgar Cayce readings but I don't think it's compatible with the newer version of
Windows I'm using now. I guess I would have to order a newer version of these disks.
I also ordered a new book about Cayce's so called Earth changes prophecies.
Edgar Cayce's Secrets of Astrology
Nelson, Kirk; Paperback
The Edgar Cayce Companion: A Comprehensive Treatise of the Edgar Cayce Readings
Frejer, B. Ernest; Paperback
Earth Changes: Historical, Economical, Political, and Global
Edgar Cayce; Paperback
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« Reply #140 - on: 01.04.2013 at 18:46 [UT+1] »I love this one, and use it all the time when referencing :The Edgar Cayce Companion: A Comprehensive Treatise of the Edgar Cayce Readings
Frejer, B. Ernest; Paperback

You'll have to report back perhaps on a new thread about the Earth changes one, I'm sure there would be a lotof interest in it. For instance the confusion about the dating, and his reluctance to do so at first realizing that
there is no time, other then what is perceived. I'd be quite interested to hearing some of that explanation ini
this new book.
When you get Kirk Nelson's "Secrets of Astrology", don't become dismayed when you will see from time totime, people on this forum and elsewere (such as the Astdrotheme chart) that goes with another date entirely
for the birth of Jesus.
I read recently some fascinating newer info. about archeological finds near the Dead Sea (which dates therenting of the temple) in 30AD the date of his death which Nelson uses.
The last Pope wrote a book (Benedict) outlining more closely the date of Jesus birth (the year) although hedidn't think it was springtime, (as I do).......
I think Nelson and Cayce were right is what I'm saying, altough as the saying goes, "the devil is in the details".
Those minor things like the earthquake, enough to destroy the lentil on the temple, etc. That's a "detail"
Like I said, you will get a LOT of flack with the Cayce data, and so many astrologers are very fixed minded andnot open to the alternatives when someone has in their mind, "it's this or that". And thus far most lean towarda Star theory, and conjunction theory and give credance to the one on Astrotheme as correct.
Let them think what they want, you have to make up your OWN mind after studying ALL the details, what fits
for you.
Quote:
Jesus Death between AD 26-36 (earthquakes occurred twice
Further research is being done by Williams and his team who are now analyzing the report of darkness from noon to 3pm after the
crucifixion. Three of the four canonical gospels claim that darkness pervaded during those three hours which could allude to a dust storm,
according to Williams.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/25/jesus-crucifixion-date-possible_n_15463 51.html
My chart is April 3rd, 30AD. 3PM a Midheaven T-Square
The research confirmed that two major earthquakes hit the area specified, one during the period between 26 BCE and 36 CE, and could be
the one referred to in the Gospel of Matthew.
STILL UPDATING ON THE SITE’S KNOWN EARTHQUAKE & SEDIMENT:
http://www.deadseaquake.info/03-dating-the-crucifixion/
Although the exact year is unknown, two years (30 and 33 AD) are most commonly cited as the most likely year of the crucifixion.
http://www.deadseaquake.info/04-seismite-formation/
Photo and Graph of a rock going through the Earthquake phase during this time….in the Dead Sea area
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. 51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two
from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split , and the tombs broke open.
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« Reply #141 - on: 01.04.2013 at 19:08 [UT+1] »Quote from Deborah on 01.04.2013 at 18:46 [UT+1]:
You'll have to report back perhaps on a new thread about the Earth changes one, I'm sure there would be a lot of interest in it.

Yes that's the one I'll probably read first. This way if somebody was right and the world really does end at least
I will have read the book.
Doesn't one of the gospels indicate that a solar eclipse occurred while Christ was on the cross ?
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isolated our world from the rest of the universe. I read that and many other strange ideas in the following
book:
Ufo...Contact from Planet Iarga [Hardcover]
Stefen Denaerde (Author), Wendelle C. Stevens (Author)
That book has influenced me a lot.
Edgar Cayce's strange powers were not infallible I don't think, at least when he tried to predict future events.
That's what the following book is about and I'm showing my review from Amazon also.
The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce's Power [Paperback]
Edgar Evans Cayce (Author), Hugh Lynn Cayce (Author)[4 out of 5 stars] Will Be Interesting For Cayce Fans March 2, 2008
If you're a big Edgar Cayce fan you should find this book interesting.
It provides some insights into those times when Cayce's psychic abilities seemed to short circuit for whateverreasons.
Most of the examples are cases where Cayce tried to use his psychic powers to find oil wells or buried treasure.
He even created the 'Cayce Petroleum Company' in Texas to take advantage of his powers.
These accounts try to suggest some possible reasons for why these attempts to get rich were unsuccessful. Was
it the bad intentions of the seekers ? Did they not follow his directions correctly ? What was the source of theinformation that Cayce received ? Did they have the correct type of equipment such as metal detectors ?
As I read these accounts I started to think that all of those factors plus more importantly the hand of fate itself
was thwarting their efforts. All of those other reasons are to me really just different aspects of the same issue.
But who would not at least try it if they had those types of powers ? We can always argue that it's better to dig
up a chest full of gold or an oil deposit rather than leave it in the ground.
Another area that he had mixxed success with was trying to locate missing people such as the Lindbergh baby
who was kidnapped and found murdered.
My conclusion is Cayce eventually realized that he shouldn't use his abilities for these types of endeavors. These
attempts to find missing persons, buried treasure, and oil deposits represent a small percentage of the Cayce
material which indicates that Cayce himself reached this same conclusion.
They didn't talk about Cayce's predictions for the future which have also been questioned and which in somecases appear to have been wrong although I'm not convinced of this.
To me Cayce was at his best when he revealed the amazing mysteries of the ancient past such as Atlantis andvery ancient Egypt. Or when he told people about their past lives and how those experiences were affecting
them. Or when he talks about philosophy and metaphysics and explains the great secrets that are hidden in thescriptures. That's where he really shines.
I wanted to mention that in his groundbreaking book 'The Giza Power Plant' Christopher Dunn may havediscovered why the carbon dating of the mortar from the Great Pyramid doesn't match up with Cayce's
statements about the age of the pyramids.
Dunn shows that the Great Pyramid was a machine when it was fully functional and tremendous amounts ofenergy were generated inside the pyramid including radiation. When something is exposed to radiation carbon
dating cannot be used to determine its age I don't think. So I believe Cayce was correct and the pyramids werein fact constructed in 10,500 BC after Atlantis went down into the murky depths.
As another reviewer mentioned this book also provides some glimpses into Cayce's family and home life and his
relationship with his two sons who wrote this book.
Edgar Cayce on Vibrations: Spirit in Motion
The Lives of Edgar Cayce
Edgar Cayce's Atlantis
Edgar Cayce's Egypt: Psychic Revelations on the Most Fascinating Civilization Ever Known
Mythic Troy: The Complete Story Legend Archeology and Intuition

The Giza Power Plant : Technologies of Ancient Egypt
Past Life Regression: A Guide for Practitioners
Same Soul, Many Bodies: Discover the Healing Power of Future Lives through Progression Therapy
The Essential Edgar Cayce
The Outer Limits - The Original Series, Season 1
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« Reply #142 - on: 01.04.2013 at 21:31 [UT+1] »Ref:The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce's Power [Paperback]
Edgar Evans Cayce (Author), Hugh Lynn Cayce (Author)
Quote:[4 out of 5 stars] Will Be Interesting For Cayce Fans March 2, 2008
If you're a big Edgar Cayce fan you should find this book interesting.
It provides some insights into those times when Cayce's psychic abilities seemed to short circuit for whatever reasons.
Most of the examples are cases where Cayce tried to use his psychic powers to find oil wells or buried treasure. He even created the'Cayce Petroleum Company' in Texas to take advantage of his powers.
These accounts try to suggest some possible reasons for why these attempts to get rich were unsuccessful. Was it the bad intentions of theseekers ? Did they not follow his directions correctly ? What was the source of the information that Cayce received ? Did they have thecorrect type of equipment such as metal detectors ?

I read it back in the 70s I think or early 80s. It's in the public library.
My opinion on it, is that his higher self rejected the advances towards the material things. This is why it didn't
ultimatley work out for him or others.
We could go on and on and on, but that would be OT I think.
As I said, there are tons of theories out there concerning the birth of Jesus.
But both the Pope's recent book, and the earthquakes seismetic archeology points to a death of 30AD (CE)And of course there were the anamolies as Cayce clearly mentioned in a reading concerning the dates
themselves....
(calenders changed)
These are the details one might argue, but personally, I see no future in the arguing of the dates, one either
accepts or rejects,, it's up to them.
I don't presume to know it all, nor did Edgar Cayce. But from studying him intently for over 45 years, I'd haveto say that compared to everyone else, he's the closest for me and therefore, our philosophies parralel eachother's. It's a nice fit.
Details about the history of earthquake & the Sanhedrin are from the Talmud, so they are not biased with thedates :
Quote:The Sanhedrin
Quote:The Sanhedrin officiated from the Chamber of Hewn Stones which was about 120 feet southeast of the Temple and its
enormous stone lintel, which was at least 30 feet long, weighed some 30 tons and had cracked during the earthquake at
the Messiah's death.
History tells us that the Sanhedrin moved from their opulent surroundings in the Chamber of Hewn Stones to lesser
accommodations shortly after the earthquake. Because there is no record of the Sanhedrin being forced by the Romans tomove from the Temple (which would have caused a major political crisis), one can assume that the Sanhedrin moved
because the earthquake had so damaged the building that it was unsafe for them to continue to meet there.
It is interesting that, prior to the Messiah's crucifixion in 30 A. D., the Romans had taken away the Sanhedrin's authority
to execute criminals (See Jn.18:31; Talmud Sanh.1:1,7:2). The last judgement that the Sanhedrin made from the Temple
was to sentence the Messiah and Creator of humanity to death. From 30 A.D. to the time of this writing no Sanhedrin has
officiated from a Temple in Jerusalem. With the departure of the Sanhedrin from the Chamber of Hewn Stones, the law nolonger went forth from the Temple.
Forty years before the destruction of the Temple, the Sanhedrin was banished from their official
residence to the trading station on the Temple Mount (Shabbat 15a), and eventually off the Mount altogether
Says the Jewish Talmud in Yoma 39b of the events which occurred in 30 A.D.:“Forty years before the Temple was destroyed [i.e., 40 years before 70 A.D., or in 30 A.D.] . . .the gates of the Hekel [Holy Place]
opened by themselves, until Rabbi Yohanan B. Zakkai rebuked them [the gates] saying, Hekel, Hekel, why alarmist thou us? We knowthat thou art destined to be destroyed...”For the huge doors of the Temple behind the Veil to open, of their own accord, or in association with the great earthquake, would cause
them to pull powerfully against the Veil, and with the lintel falling, at the same time, could have torn it in two from top to bottom.

I also found a book online, a Jewish history book once on Amazon, around Christmastime, but cannot find it
now again
If I run across it I'll post.
However in effect it dated this earthquake to this date in history.
Jesus lived 33 years on this earth. Bottom line. With all the controversy over dates, etc. it makes far morelogical sense to me, to count backwards (-33 years) for his brith, from the known earthquakes and reported
damage of said earthquake in 30AD (CE) then to waste time on the birth itself if one doesn't want to accept the
Cayce data. At least for me anyway.
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/12/11/277478/jesus-born-earlier-than-held-pope/
Quote:

Pope Benedict XVI has claimed the entire Christian calendar is based on a miscalculation and that Jesus was born several years earlierthan commonly believed.

In the book Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives published on Wednesday, the octogenarian pontiff claims the ‘mistake' was made bya sixth century monk known as Dionysius Exiguus.
"The calculation of the beginning of our calendar - based on the birth of Jesus - was made by Dionysius Exiguus, who made a mistake in
his calculations by several years," the book reads.

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« Reply #143 - on: 01.04.2013 at 23:30 [UT+1] »Quote from Deborah on 01.04.2013 at 18:46 [UT+1]:
I love this one, and use it all the time when referencing :Posts: 1061

The last Pope wrote a book (Benedict) outlining more closely the date of Jesus birth (the year) although he didn't think it was springtime,(as I do).......
I think Nelson and Cayce were right is what I'm saying, altough as the saying goes, "the devil is in the details".

Very good post. I agree . I liked the pope finally admitting Jesus could not have been born at 1AD or 1 BC (there is no year zero, but for astronomical almanacs, they put a zero in, dumbys.
Also the devil is in the details, Sheep in the near east during the Roman empire age only grazed on grass 'atnight' during the springtime. So I agree with this particular detail. There are many more circumstances thatplaces Jesus' birth in the springtime, although in Luke there is one argument to place it in the fall, and one near
the winter solstice. But Luke was the last Gospel to be written and most scholars believed he only elaborated on
previous information already out there such as the Gospels of mark, Mathew and John.
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« Reply #144 - on: 01.04.2013 at 23:42 [UT+1] »Quote from Zooluu Binks on 01.04.2013 at 23:30 [UT+1]:
Quote from Deborah on 01.04.2013 at 18:46 [UT+1]:
I love this one, and use it all the time when referencing :The last Pope wrote a book (Benedict) outlining more closely the date of Jesus birth (the year) although he didn't think it
was springtime, (as I do).......
I think Nelson and Cayce were right is what I'm saying, altough as the saying goes, "the devil is in the details".

Very good post. I agree . I liked the pope finally admitting Jesus could not have been born at 1AD or 1 BC ( there is no year zero, but for
astronomical almanacs, they put a zero in, dumbys.
Also the devil is in the details, Sheep in the near east during the Roman empire age only grazed on grass 'at night' during the springtime.
So I agree with this particular detail. There are many more circumstances that places Jesus' birth in the springtime, although in Luke there
is one argument to place it in the fall, and one near the winter solstice. But Luke was the last Gospel to be written and most scholars
believed he only elaborated on previous information already out there such as the Gospels of mark, Mathew and John.

I think his book says, 4-6BC. Some of it can be read online at Amazon preview.
Cayce puts it (at the time correction) to be 4BC. Jesus lived for 33 years. He died during that Earthquake in
30CE.
Sorry, if I confused anyone.
Actually, the chart in the Kirk Nelson book gave March 19, 4BC. (around midnight)
I like it very much too, and would be curious what you thought about the chart with the Stars at that time??
I think it puts Arcturus on the MC (right where it should be) if he came in from another dimension..........
And I agree, I don't care if the Pope says, there were no animals now in his new book.
The shepherds were grazing their flock by night, the ewes are born in the Springtime.
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Ex Member« Reply #145 - on: 02.04.2013 at 02:11 [UT+1] »Quote::is life supposed to be happy?

I think life is about growth, but then I'm a Sagittarian. Fulfillment can make you happy, but so can theprocess.
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