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Debra M.
MemberWorld Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« on: 19.03.2014 at 21:28 [UT] »Since the unfortunate event occurred almost 2 weeks ago, there thus far is no answer and a thread is alreadydevoted to that cause.
This thread will be more about the investigation of World Events as the Cardinal Cross is upon us worldwide.
To my way of thinking this event as sad as it is, will be only one of many yet to come and perhaps we can use
this thread as the others occur in the foreseeable future.

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It's very hard for me to speak sometimes to get my thoughts across which will not be misunderstood, but knowthat my heart is in the right place.
I do care, I have my personal losses in my own family and care very much about those whose pain is now seen
everyday with this missing aircraft and no real answers yet.
With answers perhaps will come some peace of mind.
I know it did with me and my family. Although there is never closure, per se, there can be at least theknowledge of where the plane and therefore their loved ones are.
This thread is for other major events too, as I said, those yet to come and philosophically speaking, the recent
ones from recent history concerning the Grand Cross in Cardinal Signs.
The Collective Consciousness events which touch humanity that is seen now world wide, in Egypt, in Russia andthe Ukraine, and even in the U.S. as well. Do we personally "feel" it, and do we understand we are part of "it?".
That is what I wanted to explore here.

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Debra M.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #1 - on: 19.03.2014 at 21:35 [UT] »We can start with the chart that I L V (I love Venus) posted but on a thread which has not been read yet. She
agreed it could go here and we can talk about it with the entire concept of a Collective Mindset and our roles inthe events we see now on the earth.
No doubt, she is very worried about the plane and the passengers, for the chart asks very specifically if they arealive.
I don't think so and will give the reasons why I don't think they are.
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Feel free to join with any astrological information you may posses which can help us all to learn more about theevents of the days ahead.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #2 - on: 19.03.2014 at 21:38 [UT] »Since I am not a horary expert, I'd appreciate others who are, but my opinion with what I know about bothHorary and events is the answer is no.
Moon in h in the sign of it's Fall, and ruler of the chart and question found in the 5th house Scorpio andconjunct the NN (fated occurrence, we might say)
Pluto on the cusp of the 7th, says, “No” they are not. Note Pluto is in a drastically critical and cardinal degree
the 13th of Capricorn and opposed to Jupiter in the 1st.
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the story, as Uranus is in the 10th of public acclaim and public scrutiny, easily seen everyday online and on T.V.
The Black Moon Lilith is critical 1 Leo and square the Moon in the sign of its Fall in Scorpio, and Venus the sign
assigned to airplanes in the 8th of death.

The Sun conjuncts fixed star Scheat : and from Constellation of Words who quotes from Vivien Robson,
Ptolemy and others, we learn:

Legend: Pegasus was born from the blood of Medusa (see Algol) after Perseus had cut off her head, and wasafterwards tamed and ridden by Bellerophon. Being weary of earthly affairs Bellerophon attempted to fly toheaven but fell off, and Pegasus continued his course, entered heaven and took his place among the stars.
[Robson*, p.56.]
And so we know that this chart asking a pointed question on another thread for Malaysian Air by ILV (I love
Venus) is a viable chart shown by the following:
Regards Pegasus: “The constellation portends events concerning ships and the ocean and also changes in theweather. In medieval times it was said to indicate vain individuals with a great deal of ambition, but with very
poor judgment” . [Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.22.]

The Sun located 28Pisces conjunct Scheat in the 10th house of public acclaim with Uranus in cardinal Aries
square Jupiter does not bode well, imo, even though Jupiter is exalted in Cancer and Trine the Moon that simply
says to me that it’s a very strong likelihood the passengers are gone i.e. all dead.
Note too, that Jupiter is conjunct Sirius the beautiful fixed star of much light.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #3 - on: 19.03.2014 at 21:43 [UT] »CHART FOR THE COUNTRY OF MALAYSIA (LIZ GREEN ON ASTRODIENST page )The event, i.e. the plane at least to my way of thinking, is playing a significant role in the overall collective
consciousness of mankind right now and part of this Cardinal Square of the outer planets for us to all think
about, both personally and collectively how it fits into our consciousness and what to do about it, because I do
not think it will be the last huge collective outburst from a discontent collective of souls.
A member of this forum asked me what I thought of the overall discontent (discordant vibrations) of theUnited States and even the world today, especially because there are so many suicides, so much hatred, so
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much in the way being reported of individuals seemingly going morally bankrupt. The unrest is not only withindividuals but with countries which is made up by individuals.
This may of course have always been so with individuals , but we didn’t report in the older days like today,
instant 24-7 media on these things. However what has changed from the 40s or 1950s in my opinion is the way
in which humanity operates more collectively and to that we need to look at the planets and the upcoming
Cardinal Square affecting all of us now and in days to come.
Human consciousness, subconscious thought progresses, imo, just the same way we might see a progressedindividual’s chart, so the same with the Collective Consciousness as nothing in the known universe is static. I
may be a more abstract type of thinker than most, but I simply cannot see one without the other. The
discordant vibrations of individuals are imo, intimately wrapped up with the ultimate discord on the earth itself.
I know of course, everyone has their own perspective about this. But with Uranus in the 11th, and no otherplanets above the horizon, p I and J q I along with a 1st decan of i D which simply is in accord with alarger perspective, and tries to avoid the more narrow view, it's hard for me to see it otherwise than I do.
The earthquakes I'm sure are part of the same scenario, and when I say "same" of course I realize they will be
all individual events coming up.
We had one in L.A. the other day 4.4. no biggee, and the same day a 6.4 in Chile off the coast.
The earth is heating up folks. And we better get use to it, because together (in the Collective ) we've all createdit.
So hang on for a bumpy ride! The Cardinal Grand Square.

I have posted the progressed chart based on Green's chart she gave and you are free to post one for thetransits if anyone prefers to see it. I'm mainly looking to see whatever we can about the collective
unconsciousness that is plaguing humanity now:

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #4 - on: 19.03.2014 at 21:54 [UT] »The Ukraine (see 2nd and original thread for this country's unrest here):
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1393163343/0
Another chart below:
On this day place & time, having the planet of extremes, (as Edgar Cayce termed it) Uranus on the ASC, 1sthouse and the A in the 8th house 00Virgo with D in the 7th 28 e should have told them that this country
based on this chart will have to fall. It's fated to fall when in Regulus. Which I suppose is what we are seeing
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now?
Regulus promises in the natal charts, a quick rise but an unexpected and always severe fall from grace. That's
just the way it is. I suppose this chart is telling me, there was not an astrologer that day on site or it was afated event more likely connected to the mass collective unconsciousness, imo. Everything is.

Aug. 24, 1991 @ 5:31PM per Astrology Weekly:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/countries/ukraine.php
and:Jan. 2, 1918 (original chart below) 9:58AM at Kharkov Ukraine(see same link
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/countries/ukraine.php
Alternate Chart by Jamie Partridge:(perhaps based on the Revolution occurring, I don't know yet): but worth investigating further
http://astrologyking.com/ukraine-horoscope/

F in the 12th is critical in this degree, 01 Gemini or the Pleaides, as it's termed the "Weeping Sisters" and it iso A for starters.....not a good day to start a new constitution for a country's founding.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #5 - on: 19.03.2014 at 22:53 [UT] »Debra: I am just wondering about the F/Siriusm AC? Surely that's good or is it just MY boundless hope andenthusiasm? What about POF pA?
I realize that the take-off chart for the flight is ominous but a plane can recover from a major incident like what
happened with Captain Sully when he landed the plane on the Hudson river. Nobody died.
Just wondering if there's a fixed star or asteroid (pandora???)that can be added to shed more light? I think
once C RX moves from its' shadow tomorrow, news will be more reliable.
So much information has been contradicted, plain wrong or hidden.

CIN.

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Debra M.
Member« Reply #6 - on: 19.03.2014 at 22:57 [UT] »Quote from IloveVenus on 19.03.2014 at 22:53 [UT]:
Debra: I am just wondering about the

F/Siriusm AC? Surely that's good or is it just MY boundless hope and enthusiasm? What about POF

pA?
I realize that the take-off chart for the flight is ominous but a plane can recover from a major
incident like what happened with Captain Sully when he landed the plane on the Hudson river.
Nobody died.
Just wondering if there's a fixed star or asteroid (pandora???)that can be added to shed more light? I think once
shadow tomorrow, news will be more reliable.
So much information has been contradicted, plain wrong or hidden.

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C RX moves from its'

CIN.

ILV.

"usually" we see Sirius as positive, although I think I tried to say it's more neutral in some cases. Various things
can cancel out the luck in a chart and this chart we are speaking of, has those things as outlined.
(imo only so far)
It would be very interesting to compare the Pilot Sully's passenger jet (not him) but the jet itself, the flightwhich made it.
I'd like to see that one, do you have it to add?
As for Pandora (as in Pandora's Box?) I haven't studied this asteroid enough times to really have an opinion on
how it may operate to say or voice an opinion on it constructively.
Here is some info from Constellation of Words:
Quote:
Its risings and settings were regularly tabulated in Chaldaea about 300 B.C., and Oppert is reported to have recently said that the
Babylonian astronomers could not have known certain astronomical periods, which as a matter of fact they did know, if they had notobserved Sirius from the island of Zylos in the Persian Gulf on Thursday, the 29th of April, 11542 B.C.!
The astronomers of China do not seem to have made as much of Sirius as did those of other countries, but it is occasionally mentioned,
with other stars in Canis Major, as Lang Hoo; and Reeves quoted for it Tseen Lang, the Heavenly Wolf. Their astrologers said that when
unusually bright it portended attacks from thieves.
and from the ancient times we have the other side of the Dog Star in Canis Major:
In early astrology and poetry there is no end to the evil influences that were attributed to Sirius. Homer wrote, in Lord Derby's translation,
The brightest he, but sign to mortal man
Of evil augury.
Pope's very liberal version of the same lines, —Terrific glory ! for his burning breath
Taints the red air with fevers, plagues and death,—
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Debra M.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #7 - on: 19.03.2014 at 23:04 [UT] »My preference is to think more about what type of planet it was seen to behave as, i.e. akin to.
That why *I like to read Ptolemy's descriptions first:
According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Jupiter and Mars and, to Alvidas, of the Moon, Jupiter and Mars. It
gives honor, renown, wealth, ardor, faithfulness, devotion, passion and resentment, and makes its natives
custodians, curators and guardians. It also gives danger of dog bites, and two examples of this effect will befound under Procyon. [Robson*, p.208.]

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Jupiter and Mars are not always "positive" however. They can be very ambitious in a negative way too.
We really as astrologers and budding ones, must give up the good-bad concept when considering all theplaents & especially the fixed stars. That gets us into a fixed and narrow mindset, imo too often, it ends up withmissing the forest for the trees type of thing.

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IloveVenus
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #8 - on: 19.03.2014 at 23:12 [UT] »Debra: Great idea to post chart of that plane since we know exactly what day/time it landed on the Hudson.
Either you/I can do it but I won't be able to do it until later tonight or tomorrow as I have app't now.
Sirius is a 'signal', a 'beacon' of light. That's how I interpret it. Fortunate star.
I am happy, so happy that it's mF/AC.
Maybe I'm deluding myself with current I aspects. Not ready toaccept that all are dead on board this flight. Not until I see proof that this is what has happened.
OF COURSE YOU care Debra, you have a caring and sensitive nature. If others don't understand this, then so
be it. Not everybody is going to love you!
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Debra M.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #9 - on: 19.03.2014 at 23:22 [UT] »This video will show you WHY I feel and always have felt, that the Collective Unconsciousness is intimately tied
to the individual's consciousness and therefore the coming events on this globe will show us. When one is "outof sync" so will the world be changed, and actually change is what we all need for the better.
The Age of Aquarius demands it! We will be soon on the cusp of the change, and it's not just a song but a true
vision which will take much pain to awaken to.
The guy with the lovely pony tail is actually the chief or in charge of the office of Freedom of Speech in the
country the video points to .
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He is using all the power of emotions which we associate with negativity with our ordinary perspective of black
and white.
Clearly he is not "adding" to the positive function of this planet.
Actually he reminds me of the Mafia Thugs: Martin Luther King would have been appalled (but not
surprised! )http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/19/ukranian-tv-boss-assaulted-and-forced-to-resi gn-by-farright-svoboda-mps/
Quote:
They were angry that public broadcaster, First National Channel, had broadcast the Russian Parliament signing a treaty with Crimea on
Tuesday.
Yelling and beating Panteleymonov around the head, the men accused him of serving Putin, while there were Ukrainians “dying at thehands of Russian occupiers” and called him “Moscow trash.”
They then forced him to sign a letter of resignation.
Ironically, one of the men involved in the assault was the deputy head of Ukraine’s committee on freedom of speech.

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Debra M.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #10 - on: 19.03.2014 at 23:33 [UT] »Flight 1549 Capt. Sullenberger successfully landed in the water
According to FDR data, the bird encounter occurred at 3:27:11, when the airplane was at an altitude of 2,818
feet above ground level and a distance of about 4.5 miles north-northwest of the approach end of runway 22
at LGA. Subsequently, the airplane's altitude continued to increase while the airspeed decreased, until 3:27:30,
when the airplane reached its highest altitude of about 3,060 feet (930 m), at an airspeed of about 185 kts
calibrated airspeed (KCAS). The altitude then started to decrease as the airspeed started to increase, reaching
210 KCAS at 3:28:10 at an altitude of about 1,650 feet (500 m). The windshield quickly turned dark brown andseveral loud thuds were heard.
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Capt. Sullenberger took the controls, while Skiles began going through the three-page emergency procedureschecklist in an attempt to restart the engines.
At 3:27:36, using the call sign "Cactus 1539 ]sic ",[37] the flight radioed air traffic controllers at New York
Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON)[38] "Hit birds. We've lost thrust on both engines. We're turning
back towards LaGuardia."

Background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #11 - on: 20.03.2014 at 14:53 [UT] »I have no experience with horary astrology and can't comment on the horary charts. But speaking to youroverall theme of world events and the cardinal grand cross:
I find that nearly every day when I read the New York Times, there is an article about corruption within thefinancial systems of the world, those involved in banking and finance and the corporate world, and that
corruption is very entrenched and very destructive to the great majority of people on the planet, in ways too
numerous to list. There are, among these articles, features on the working poor in the U.S. and my country's
unwillingness to raise the minimum wage so they can feed their families and afford rent. There are articles
about corrupt lenders who target the desperate with easy loans then charge them interest rates of, believe it ornot, 300 percent. I could go on and on about all the articles I read about the decay and the rot and the darkside of Pluto in the financial and corporate world as it is reported in the daily paper.
So I wait to see what more Pluto in the sign of Capricorn will bring. Many deeply corrupt individuals andorganizations in the world of business are playing with Pluto fire. And their fall, should it happen on a global
scale, will hurt us all. But it seems inevitable, that fall, for there is no other way to purge such corruption andstart again.
As well, with Pluto opposing the U.S. natal Sun, I wonder if my country will experience a dramatic event whichcrashes, again, the economy, affecting, again, the entire world.
We have strayed so far from our Saturn responsibilities.
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Debra M.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #12 - on: 20.03.2014 at 16:59 [UT] »Londonberry:
Which country is your country?
A very intelligent post,, well thought out. Thanks,---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Malaysia New Chart?
Paulette gave me this idea, but I don't have a time for a chart:
http://www.calendarlabs.com/holidays/malaysia/national-day.php
The National Day in Malaysia is celebrated every year on the 31st of August in honor of the birthday of thenation. On 31st August, 1957, Malaysia gained its independence from British colonial rule and became an
independent country.
http://www.calendarlabs.com/holidays/malaysia/national-day.php
and lest we forget, Egypt has numerous important holidays too, so it's hard to know which is a holiday andwhich is the birth chart?

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #13 - on: 20.03.2014 at 18:44 [UT] »I've been pretty distracted with personal issues... so I forget the date and time the plane "disappeared" fromradar and voice transmission.
If anyone knows the date and time, would you either put up a chart (trop./placidus) for the approx. lat. andlong. of that disappearance or post the date and time and I'll create the chart.
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This is not the same question as the op asked, nor is it a horary question. I'm interested in the "cause."
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #14 - on: 20.03.2014 at 18:57 [UT] »Debra,
My country is USA. British ancestry but US is my home. I feel shame when I read what our financial world is up
to here. The economic crash of 2008 did not change the corruption, but instead, seems to have increased it.
I believe, if I am correct, there was a hard Pulto-Uranus aspect going on during our Great Depression, around1930. Now those energies are back. So I wonder if those who have abused their Pluto power here will
experience a humbling and humiliating loss of wealth.

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Debra M.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #15 - on: 20.03.2014 at 22:32 [UT] »Quote from Londonderry on 20.03.2014 at 18:57 [UT]:
Debra,
My country is USA. British ancestry but US is my home. I feel shame when I read what our financial world is up to here. The economic
crash of 2008 did not change the corruption, but instead, seems to have increased it.
I believe, if I am correct, there was a hard Pulto-Uranus aspect going on during our Great Depression, around 1930. Now those energies
are back. So I wonder if those who have abused their Pluto power here will experience a humbling and humiliating loss of wealth.

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Hard to say as my hope is the same as yours is. But I do believe in karma and "what goes around comesaround"I think the hardest part of the concept for us to understand however, is there is "no time" per se in "thatworld", or the subconscious collective one.
The time will come to pay the dues when the opportunity exists and that is why we seldom see in one lifetime apay up for a karmic negative deed we see (ala Syria Bashar, on and on and on.)I think that it is more rare to see in the same lifetime but of course does occur too, and then we are allwhich is also a shame I suppose.
ALL souls are imperfect on this plane.
But yes, the monetary realm in this country hurts many banking industries worldwide, as the world is a small
one too I suppose.
I voted for OBama and although I never really regretted it because the only other choice was McCain or lasttime they gave us Mitt Romney
Yet of course I am immensely unhappy when they live the lifestyle of the
Queen & King of D.C.
Not only kids flying "high on the hog" vacationing with mom & dad, but grandmother, uncles, you name it,
extended families which cost the taxpayers immensely.
Today they are in China on the taxpayer dole
Them of course the scandal of Italy's President, Israel's
Netanyahu spending like there is no tomorrow and on and on.
There once were a few Presidents long long ago in our history who refused to take a salary. Can you imagine
that today?
When Kerry ran, had he refused publically to capitalize in the WH (as Truman refused), he may indeed have wonthat Presidential race against G.W.Bush.
But he didn't offer, although being rich beyond words (his wife is the Heinz heiress) of the ketchup fortune.
Also, there have been a handful in history who didn't make money off of wars, etc. like Sargaent York (WorldWar 1 )
who said he would not make a profit or capitalize off of War.
NOW, that's different!
Yet ANYONE can choose to live to a higher ideal if they so choose.

I recall my sister in law once said (she was awful, and her chart depicts it well) that everyone should garnish all
they can while alive.
I asked her, "Then I guess you'd think Jesus was a real loser" and she without a blink said, "Yes" she did see
him as a loser.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #16 - on: 20.03.2014 at 22:47 [UT] »Quote from Linda Harris on 20.03.2014 at 18:44 [UT]:
I've been pretty distracted with personal issues... so I forget the date and time the plane "disappeared" from radar and voice
transmission.
If anyone knows the date and time, would you either put up a chart (trop./placidus) for the approx. lat. and long. of that disappearance orpost the date and time and I'll create the chart.
This is not the same question as the op asked, nor is it a horary question. I'm interested in the "cause."
LainieWe may find the cause soon (I hope), that is, if the Black Box is intact which they don't know yet.
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Today's CNN (Wolf Blitzer show) is saying it's perhaps Suicide mission. I hope not. There was the 1999 Egyptian
Air in NY that ended up in the Hudson Bay or the Atlantic as I recall which is largely considered as a suicide of
the co-pilot because of the info on the black box (Investigations revealed in lawsuits)
He was to be fired that day and the main Pilot (senior pilot) told him on that trip it was his last trip and that hewouldn't make it till age 60. Of course back then as now, only the country (therefore now the military) owns
Egypt Air, so he took all those souls with him. (217 or more)
As for this plane?
# 370
Malaysia Air: Flight Take off time: 41 minutes after midnight on March 8, 2014 from Kuala Lumpur airport
Timeline: posted 3/12/14:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-timeli ne/
3 days ago:
Sometime after Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 took off at 12:41 a.m., investigators believe someone reprogrammed the plane's flight management system to turn away from its original flight plan. Then 26 minutes
after take-off, the plane sent its last automatic maintenance data transmission to the airline.
There is a Video here explaining the other events like the last words:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/from-take-off-to-final-satellite-signal-a-timeline-o f-malaysiaairlines-flight-370/

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #17 - on: 20.03.2014 at 23:30 [UT] »I also feel Obama Neptune-disillusionment as well somewhat. When he was elected the first time, and all thosepeople in the vast crowds seeming to elevate him to God-status, I remember thinking, "This is not good." Andwith his Leo Sun, I felt surely so. No one fares well when he is made a god.
Regarding the Malaysian flight, I am hoping the debris in the Indian Ocean will soon be verified for the sake ofthe anguished families. I am Pisces Rising and it is always hard for me to ascribe harmful intent to others. (I am
the only person I know who thinks Oscar Pistorius may have truly thought it was an intruder). So I find asuicide by either pilot hard to consider (even understanding that those who are suicidal are in a state of mental
illness and desperation). I lean toward hijacking.
As to karma's timing and all those corrupt American bankers: I am the rare astrology person who does notincorporate past lives and karma into my belief system. For me, it is the family ancestral influence in the chart's
messages. (My Sun is on the doorway of the House of Home, so no wonder). So, I think they will mostly
experience the consequences in this life and will also pass them on to their families, for good or for ill.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #18 - on: 20.03.2014 at 23:45 [UT] »Very interesting again to read although we are on "different fence posts",
As to karma's timing and all those corrupt American bankers: I am the rare astrology person who does notincorporate past lives and karma into my belief system. For me, it is the family ancestral influence in the chart's
messages. (My Sun is on the doorway of the House of Home, so no wonder). So, I think they will mostly
experience the consequences in this life and will also pass them on to their families, for good or for ill.
I do have and enjoyed "The Family Dynamics of Astrology" or whatever it was called (Sullivan), but my mind
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isn't changed., even as I developed a real love for finding the family tree in the natal including the work up of achart using Tad Mann's system which I think is the most foreward thinking system of astrology developed in mylifetime quite frankly.
I can find ALL my children and all my associations and thoughts with his help when theywere conceived prettymuch or the dynamics of the conception time period. It's a remarkable work imo. However I'm of the oldschool as I think he may be too, that we "attract" via the MC that soul which comes to us. So it's not exactly as
it seems.
Attraction meaning similar vibrations and purpose with the karmic episodes to be integrated.
I liked that Mann found a lot of his work in the psychological realms of not only Vedic Astrology but in real
psychology in France.
(forget who it was)Here is his Link which explains some of it:
http://www.atmann.net/tma.htm
My understanding however is his real love now is Tarot.
For me his method explains everything, and I can find for example Obama's parents and life attraction as a soulcounterpart in his natal using this method.
Nice talking with you.
p.s. my 9th house conception house lord is Pisces or Neptune. No Pisces in my chart but lots of Neptune.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #19 - on: 21.03.2014 at 00:13 [UT] »For me this chart is definite about it being sabotage....

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #20 - on: 21.03.2014 at 00:19 [UT] »Quote from Londonderry on 20.03.2014 at 18:57 [UT]:
Debra,
My country is USA. British ancestry but US is my home. I feel shame when I read what our financial world is up to here. The economic
crash of 2008 did not change the corruption, but instead, seems to have increased it.
I believe, if I am correct, there was a hard Pulto-Uranus aspect going on during our Great Depression, around 1930. Now those energies
are back. So I wonder if those who have abused their Pluto power here will experience a humbling and humiliating loss of wealth.

I worked for USAA in San Antonio (the company's headquarters) until today, as my contract was not renewed.
It was my first experience with a huge corporation (over 20,000 people employed at this building, larger thanPosts: 2645
Gender:the Pentagon and nearly 3/4 of a mile long). Their slogan was "Integrity, Honesty and Ethics" and I worked in,of all things, the Compliance department. I was an auditor. Within 4 months of starting there I uncovered
things within my own team that demanded I report them as an auditor, and as a result, a 50 ml. bullet waspropped on my desk, and long story short, the corrupt win the day and I was chosen to be the one to be
removed from what the VP called "a toxic environment". I had never seen such entitlement attitudes in mylife; people who felt that if they worked 20 hours a week they were entitled to a $60-$90k paycheck, and we're
not talking about surgeons here, they were glorified proofreaders but once they'd been in the company morethan a few years and saw how some people were taking advantage, they also bellied up and demanded theirdue. Those who screamed the loudest and jumped up and down were pandered to; those that were humble
and had a huge work ethic were considered weak and they were exploited, sometimes with the work of the lazyones who would shrug their shoulders about the unfairness.
Corporations feed those who keep the secrets. You are rewarded for having no ethics. REWARDED. Comingfrom years of private practice where if you didn't work you got the boot, I was astounded at the attitude.
I have transiting Pluto sitting on my Midheaven right now so thank God I understand the behind the scenes
implications, witnessed the vast corruption and walked out with my head held high. But the fact that
corporations are selling themselves as caring about people when in reality they are breeding grounds for greed
and corruption hurts my soul. I don't even think about "karma" in situations like this because it will take awhole lot of time--- an unbelievably long amount of time, before these very powerful corporations are brought
down. Most likely it's going to take some sort of natural disaster because the little people don't have theenergy to take on things the way they did in the 60's. I don't know if the mass amount of pharmceuticals has
contributed to this, but my guess is that yes, it contributes greatly, because Big Pharm is a monster of acorporation, and feeds other corporations simply by providing these drugs that keep us numb. I myself am so
focused on merely SURVIVING now, being 55 and having a 16 year old son at home, a single mom, that theidea of filing some kind of suit against the company for not protecting me against the very real physical threat
presented to me never would enter my mind. I just don't have the energy. I have to walk away.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #21 - on: 21.03.2014 at 00:57 [UT] »Thank you, dog, for that account. I think you were probably correct in just walking away and not trying to takethem on.
Pluto transited my Midheaven in 2004. I am connected to the publishing industry. Sure enough, I saw the darkside of someone who works in the business, very strongly, and had to back away. I think Robert Hand has said
that it is best not to take on ruthless Plutonians because you will very likely lose. They can outlast you.
Like you said, generally it takes a disaster of enormous consequence on a collective level to bring down thecorrupt.
Many probably already know this, but during the Second World War, transiting Pluto was making a hard squareto Hitler's Sun. Hitler used that power to destroy, but ultimately, it destroyed him.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #22 - on: 21.03.2014 at 01:02 [UT] »I also want to say, dog, that I wish you all the best, as you seek other work, and hope that you get much moral
support from those who love you, and, if needed, financial help as well, to make a bridge to carry you to thenext, better, job. Pluto transiting your Midheaven has brought tremendous change to your employment, but inmy experience, the transit of Pluto through the House of Career can also bring very good success. Hang on,
there is more yet to come, which I think will be positive for you.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #23 - on: 21.03.2014 at 01:12 [UT] »I'd like to also add I wish you the best, as Pluto is hell, (imo) and many of other really nice people who haverecently told me their Pluto hell hole stories. Just awful!
I read the other day something about the "bullet on the desk", but forgot to ask you about it or to explain thatone.
How awful...
And yes toxic for certain, but whose he calling toxic anyway
You'll make it, you always do. At least like you said, you can hold your head up high.
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I suppose you can at least get unemployment compensation, and it's been recently extended again.
Best to you, and I agree, I'd not bother myself with such awful people as this.
p.s. Now that I think about it, I've seen their "family" commercials on TV lately, over and over again, the "rahrah" America ones, go fight for the ole' Red White & Blue and you too can join us and be special! Makes me
sickGlad I didn't look them up for insurance as I was going to do recently to compare my policy at the Hartford
with them. Maybe I'll just stay put now.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #24 - on: 21.03.2014 at 01:22 [UT] »March 20th, 2014: Afghanistan
22 Killed or injured at Afghanistan Hotel, where the westerners stay.
4 teens hide for a few hours in the bathroom with pistols came out guns blazing hitting women & children as
well as men.
Don't have time for a chart now.
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All 4 of the gunmen killed:
http://rt.com/news/afghan-hotel-gunmen-attack-153/
In 2008, 6 were killed here , same luxury hotel:
http://www.heavy.com/news/2014/03/kabul-hotel-shooting-serena-insurgents/
The Kabul Serena Hotel is a five star hotel in Kabul, Afghanistan, designed by the Montreal based Group Arcop
Architects and since its reopening in 2005 has been used by international media crews and politicians. The
Hotel also houses the Australian embassy in Afghanistan.[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kabul_Serena_Hotel_attack

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #25 - on: 21.03.2014 at 01:26 [UT] »Iraq:

2014 starts off with a bloody beginning:

January: 2014
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-iraq-violence-idUSBREA0E0F020140115
Violence kills 75 in Iraq, PM seeks world's support
March 2014:
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/09/iraq-checkpoint-suicide-bomb-hilla

Quote:A suicide bomber driving a minibus packed with explosives has killed at least 45 people and wounded 157 in the southern Iraqi city of
Hilla, police and medical sources say.
The attacker approached a main checkpoint at a northern entrance to the largely Shia Muslim city and detonated the minibus, a police
officer said on condition of anonymity.
At least 50 cars were set ablaze with passengers trapped inside and part of the checkpoint complex was destroyed, the officer said.

I recall Dick Cheney saying at the end of the surge, "it was going swimmingly".
MC as I recall.

He has O m Algol and the

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Bombings and other attacks killed almost 8,000 civilians in 2013, the worst period for the country since 2008.
The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, a militant group, has been behind many of the bombings. The Iraqi government is battling theIslamist group in the western province of Anbar, where the group holds territory in the cities of Falluja and Ramadi.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #26 - on: 21.03.2014 at 11:38 [UT] »Dog..Jm MC denotes transformation of career (ie loss of job)(eg Gorden Brown when he stood down as Labour
leader)but all go on to careers where they are valued.
@ years ago I got fired for turning whistleblower exposing cruelty in a healthcare institution,I used every once
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of energy fighting them and won but it took it's toll.But like you I can hold my head up.I now work for a Co
who appreciate me and who are ethical and caring.
The middle East reminds me of a translated Nostradamus line I read in 1973 pertaining to this time
period.."There will be a great conflagration across the middle east"

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #27 - on: 22.03.2014 at 05:07 [UT] »Not too unlike Egypt, Erdogan now denies freedom of speech because .......well, "just cuz". He thinks they aretalking about him and his party on Twitter!
Turkey & Twitter Ban:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26681236#

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Quote:In Turkey, the government holds most power but the president can veto laws, appoint officials, and name judges.
The European Union said it was worried about the move to block Twitter, with Stefan Fuele, the EU commissioner for enlargement, saying
he was "gravely concerned" by Prime Minister Erdogan's policy on free speech

President Abdullah Gul has challenged a ban on Twitter in Turkey after Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed to "wipe out" themicro-blogging service.
Twitter users across the country reported that the site had been blocked on Thursday(3/20/14)

Here is his chart for Thursday along with progressions.
Note the planet Uranus, planet of the extremes in the 7th with his South Node! He's been a control freak inother lifetimes, imo. and this is showing us exactly this in Cardinal axis 7th of others and Ascendant .
More worry for Turkey.
a quick glance of this link shows us hisF is severely hampered , with it's detriment to both AB and even E
taking away from this great planet any of it's lovelier rays for good in the world. Another control freak for
power.(imo)
It also appears that in his 11th house of the masses, EB can cause maximum harm to the people and theirfreedoms with Antares connected here.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Erdogan,_Recep_Tayyip
May and June 2013 saw protests against what large sections of the Turkish public perceive as a growing
authoritarianism of Erdogan and his government and his policies, starting from a small sit-in in Istanbul in
defense of a city park. After the police's intense reaction with tear gas, the protests spread all over Turkey.
(Where I visited once, it's a beautiful area - and I found it here, Ishtikial Street)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istiklal_Caddesi
See the masses of people in the same area, trying to protect the only green area, the park in the square lastyear beaten down by Ergodan's forces using tear gas (not unlike the military did in Egypt)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Turkey
Quote:The range of the protesters was described as being broad, encompassing both right- and left-wing individuals.[4] Their complaints ranged
from the original local environmental concerns to such issues as the authoritarianism of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, curbs on alcohol,[77] a
recent row about kissing in public,[4] and the war in Syria.[4] Protesters called themselves çapulcu (looters), reappropriating Erdoğan's
insult for themselves (and coined the derivative "chapulling", given the meaning of "fighting for your rights"). According to various
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #28 - on: 22.03.2014 at 11:32 [UT] »Turkey's draconian laws couldn't silence twitter..Turks had digital coup breaking tweets record...Jj will neversilence O's social network!

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #29 - on: 22.03.2014 at 11:52 [UT] »Glad this thread has been created - if only to keep a "record" of world events in tandem with the current stillonly-brewing Cardinal Grand Cross and Eclipses.
So world events happen all the time, even without the Grand Cross, but it would be interesting to see if they
are more intense than normal, and going by recent news, it looks that way!
In other news, rumours of Iceland's volcanoes brewing up with magma and threatening to erupt soon.
Warnings have been issued to climbersand hikers to carry their mobiles, be mindful of safety, if they are
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Gender:on/around the region.
The perturbing thing is, it's their largest volcano, Hekla - that might be the one erupting!
permitting, if it did erupt it could cause problems with air traffic, similar to 2010 with the
Eyjaflcompletelyunpronouncable volcano.

Wind direction

PS: to add, F generally rules air traffic/travel - O rules the skies - and J rules underground, ie mines, etc.
Defo themes to bear in mind.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #30 - on: 22.03.2014 at 12:44 [UT] »Going back to the Malaysian Airlines plane - it gets worse.
Cyclone Gillian is gaining momentum - and will be hitting the southern corridor of the search area, making it
nigh on impossible to search for the plane there.
Feel so sorry for the relatives/friends of the passengers, they must be going through a living hell

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #31 - on: 22.03.2014 at 15:17 [UT] »[quote author=Debra M. link=1395264484/0#9 date=1395271339]This video will show you WHY I feel andalways have felt, that the Collective Unconsciousness is intimately tied to the individual's consciousness andtherefore the coming events on this globe will show us. When one is "out of sync" so will the world be changed,
and actually change is what we all need for the better.
The Age of Aquarius demands it! We will be soon on the cusp of the change, and it's not just a song but

Hi Deb,thought I would keep myself quiet with what is going on because some is on a personal level. But have to say
you have hit something very odd.
I know we have had some similar thought before so maybe I should share what has been nagging in my mind.
This aeroplane and the lost contact, the confusion around it allowing Kina to show a compassionate side? andoffering help. At the same time Kina withhold the usual bonding with Russia not giving a veto in FN for the
support of Russia.
The personal side is that mu neighbours is in Malasia for this moment. The husband is there for work. Malaysia
is far away from our country and I don't think the exhange between my country and Malaysia is on a large scale
but have to check.
They travelled together to M late last year and came back in Februay for a short period and now they are backthere.
I have no idea what to think about this....
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #32 - on: 22.03.2014 at 17:47 [UT] »Quote from wanderer on 22.03.2014 at 11:32 [UT]:
Turkey's draconian laws couldn't silence twitter..Turks had digital coup breaking tweets record...

Jj will never silence O's social network!

I try to keep up with this part of the world and their harmful effects on their citizens when I see them. Egypt is
another place that is a hotbed of discontent. They (the military interim govt.) has tried to silence the people via

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the Media and taking over again, all broadcasts where possible, silencing (by bringing in to be questioned)
various journalists in the past few months including the one I wrote about in my Aries book. (She's an Aries A) but thank God, she doesn't cave in to them either
sometimes her bravery borders on scary. Currently she
still writes edtorials and articles for various newspapers including CNN's affiliates out of Egypt. But I know fromher FB that it's tough going. I suppose being the daughter of Nassar's higher up in his cabinet and the
granddaughter of a similar well placed (bodyguard of Farouk I think), helps keep her safe for now, but theothers don't fare so well and many are in prison right now just for voicing an opinion alternate views.
There is currently one Australian I'm familiar with the case, named Peter Greste and perhaps if people aroundthe world (especially citizens of Oz? ) would write to the higher ups, (Amnesty Int'l seems to be rather
impotent over there now), something positive will happen at the trial or hopefully BEFORE the trial. But as
another blogger says, that he is arrested and awaiting trial for daring to write for Al -Jazeera, and being in the
Marriott Hotel the military has dubbed "The Marriott Cell",(I use to stay there often, so I guess I'm aterrorist too?) it's so stupid, imo.
But this female Egyptian liberal feels IF Greste wasn't arrested then the Egyptians wouldn't be in the cells andmess they are in now too. Perhaps it's true, because they (the govt) may be making a very public Point
towards foreigners and westerners who work with Al-Jazeera, but this is strictly speculative I think. Who
knows, no one at this point.
I'd hate to see Turkey go this way as I hate to see clamping down on so many with alternate views in Egypt. It's
sad to know and see and hear.
I was there after the Revolution and saw first hand the hope, the dreams of
the younger crowds, the youth. I'm devastated for them as is my husband for the fear & paranoia there now.
Here is what Zenoiba's Blog says about it:
Consider yourself as Their Father Mr.President
Quote:
Posted: 21 Mar 2014 06:03 PM PDT

The family of Australian journalist Peter Greste received a letter from Egyptian presidency signed by theinterim President Adly Mansour.
The Grestes sent a letter to Mansour asking him to release their son and they got an answer.
he wrote:" As a father I’d love to convey my understanding of the prevailing emotions of distress and anguish amongst both Peter and the wholefamilyNotwithstanding the independence of the judiciary authority and foremost all the rights guaranteed by the law, I would like to assure you
in my capacity as president of Egypt that I will spare no effort to work towards the speedy resolution of the case in a fashion consistent
with the law and that guarantees the resumption of the family in the near future."
she and others like her ask:
What about the rest of Egyptian journalists detained in the case !? Would [President] Adly Mansour consider them as his children as well !?
Already will Adly Mansour continue in his position as president till the end of this case considering the possible fact that we may have a
new president within at least three months !?
Anyhow I wish someone reminds the media that there are other people , other journalists from Egypt facing the same charges like
Mohamed Fadel Fahmy , Baher Mohamed , Abdullah Shamy and Sohip Saad.
Abdullah Shamy has been for a food strike more than a month now and yet no one is helping him.
Now we know from Mohamd Fadel Fahmy that he needs a surgery now for his shoulder.

Doctor has informed @Repent11's family that bone merged incorrectly & requires surgical intervention or willrisk chronicity
Quote:— Mohamed Fadel Fahmy (@Repent11) March 16, 2014
I wish that Peter and the rest of the journalists are released this moment before tomorrow.
Sometimes I believe that Peter’s arrest actually helped the other Egyptian journalists. I am truly sorry to say that if he were not there in
Marriott hotel , I doubt that anyone would care about Fadel , Baher , Sohip , El Shamy and others. The world would have forgotten them I
am afraid. This is a bitter reality.
I am not asking a lot but I hope when the international media speaks about Peter Greste , it should mention other Egyptian journalists inthe case with him.

I'd say all of us on the outside, looking in, should also keep in mind that these are the same cells and tactics
used by the Mubarak administration and we know about their prisons! Peter Greste is being treated differently
and special in that regard. Not being abused or harmed, but that is because others are watching carefully!!!
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #33 - on: 22.03.2014 at 18:18 [UT] »[quote author=bibbe link=1395264484/20#31 date=1395501472]Quote from Debra M. on 19.03.2014 at
23:22 [UT]:This video will show you WHY I feel and always have felt, that the Collective Unconsciousness is intimately tied to the individual's
consciousness and therefore the coming events on this globe will show us. When one is "out of sync" so will the world be changed, andactually change is what we all need for the better.
Quote:The Age of Aquarius demands it! We will be soon on the cusp of the change, and it's not just a song but

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Hi Deb,thought I would keep myself quiet with what is going on because some is on a personal level. But have to say you have hit something
very odd.
I know we have had some similar thought before so maybe I should share what has been nagging in my mind.
This aeroplane and the lost contact, the confusion around it allowing Kina to show a compassionate side? and offering help. At thesame time Kina withhold the usual bonding with Russia not giving a veto in FN for the support ofRussia.
The personal side is that mu neighbours is in Malasia for this moment. The husband is there for work. Malaysia is far away from ourcountry and I don't think the exhange between my country and Malaysia is on a large scale but have to check.
They travelled together to M late last year and came back in Februay for a short period and now they are back there.
I have no idea what to think about this....

Hi Bibbe: I think you are correct in so far as the consciousness in the collective sense, i.e. the event = anopportunity for countries (26 now) to work together, etc. Yet as we all know, or should know, human behaviors
being what they are, this allegiance for one compassionate outcry will not last into other more practically superinflated human ego, control mongering types and events as they arise (i.e. wars, etc)
Here is what I found about what you mentioned for China & Russia so others can follow along if they wish to:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/03/15/russia-vetoes-crimea-resolution -in-u-nsecurity-council/
Since the U.S pays most of the salaries and bills via their interests in NY at the U.N. I'd be looking morally atleast to the U.S. to resolve this mess. But do I think they will do so? Withhold the money, insisting on a
sanction concerning Russia (perhaps the legality stops them, via the charter?)
Its a catch-22 for them to do so: Consider this. IF the U.S. through sanction says to the U.N. "We mustchange the Veto power of one to a majority instead"........They will NEVER do this, imo. Too much for them tolose if they did move for such a change as majority rule.....(think Israel & Iran) here.
What did Edgar Cayce says about the upcoming changes that must come? I always think back to this and so I
believe that thus far he was right about China (which changed from totally cut off from the western world hepredicted a huge change, and they would eventually open up, which occurred in the 1980s when Richard Nixon(then Pres. of U.S.) made the first trip for bargaining with them.....
That opened up China to the U.S. and others eventually, so we might thank "Tricky Dick" for that one.
Yet, in the Collective, Cayce also predicts that China & Russia (in the next World War) will be aligned........andagainst the U.S. (that part seems to be happening now after years of the cold war then the warmer
acquaintance, i.e. Pres. G.W.Bush in Texas with Putin saying, "I see deep into the man's soul", and he loved
what he saw
But Cayce said the relationship will not last, and in the end ???? Russia will align with it's prior enemy i.e. The
United States.
(I'll see IF I can find that part of the reading) and you can see if it makes any sense in light of current eventsand events from the 1980s I mentioned post Krushchev & JFK.

and here is Egypt's current state of Affairs for Freedom of Speech:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/03/qa-jailed-al-jazeera-cameraman -mohamedbadr-egypt-20143207123253783.html
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #34 - on: 22.03.2014 at 18:28 [UT] »Breaking News: March 22nd, 2014
Does anyone have a timeline so we can post charts for the events as they unfolded ?
Timelines will be very advantageous to us on this thread:

RUSSIA/ UKRAINE: Quote:
Ian Pannell reports from Belbek on a ''fluid, dangerous scene''
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26698754#

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Shooting and explosions have been heard as Russian troops backed by armoured vehicles stormed a Ukrainian airbase in Crimea.

Quote:
Reports say at least one person was injured during the assault on Belbek base, near Sevastopol. The base is now said to be under Russian
control.
Earlier, several hundred unarmed protesters seized a Ukrainian naval base at Novofedorivka, western Crimea.
Pro-Russian militia have also been seizing Ukrainian navy ships.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #35 - on: 22.03.2014 at 19:35 [UT] »Quote:
Bibbee: I have no idea what to think about this....

to ponder perhaps?
For the coming world changes yet to be: The author states:
Cayce did not specify a time frame, he specified a condition, placing as much research emphasis on the
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spiritual/occult phenomena as material causation
The author also should have stated the same instead of saying Mr. Cayce said, 2011,because he did not
pinpoint an exact time period only a general generic one which makes sense when you consider the source.
He also spoke of the reasons why one cannot specify ever, a correct time for something, and that has to do withpeople and their choices affecting the whole (the collective)
so other than this caveat, I'd say this article is pretty inclusive although it leaves out China and does adisservice by giving an exact year: (a disservice because then people are more cavalier is dismissing what does
not occur on a schedule) imo.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/31700/edgar-cayce-predicted-world-war-iii-i n-2011/
Regarding China and changes in the economy this section may best sum it up :http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/phoebe.htm*remember the date too when he was looking at the future - Russia and China were both Communist countries.

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Two of Cayce's major predictions concerned the futures of China and the Soviet Union, the world's great Communist giants. In 1944, heprophesied that China would one day be "the cradle of Christianity as applied in the lives of men." Through Russia, he said "comes thehope of the world. Not in respect to what is sometimes termed Communism or Bolshevism -- no! But freedom -- freedom! That each man
will live for his fellow man. The principle has been born there. It will take years for it to be crystallized; yet out of Russia comes again
the hope of the world." Russia, he said, would be guided by friendship with the United States. Its attempt to rule "not only the
economic, but the mental and spiritual life" of its people was doomed to failure.
Cayce also predicted the possibility of a third world war. He spoke of strifes arising "near the Davis Straits," and "in Libya, and in Egypt,
in Ankara, and in Syria; through the straits around those areas above Australia, in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf." When asked inJune 1943 whether it would be feasible to work towards an international currency or a stabilization of international exchange levels when
the war had ended, Cayce replied that it would be a long, long time before this would happen. Indeed, he said, "there may be another war
over just such conditions."------------------------------There is this also to consider as future events take place:
The Sins of the Countries (given in 1944)

Substitute the word karma to better understand it:"What is the spirit of America? Most individuals proudly boast freedom. Freedom of what? When ye bind men'shearts and minds through varius ways and manners, does it give them freedom of speech? Freedom ofworship? Freedom from want?...
What then of nations? In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not (see as above) Guided by what ? Thatfriendship with the nation that hath even set on its present (in 1944) monetary unit, "In God We Trust" That
principle is being forgotten - when such is the case, and that is the sin of America.
(the sins of England & France were next) followed by India then :"The sin of China? Yea, there is the quietude that will not be turned aside, saving itself by the slow growth.
There has been a growth, a stream through that land in ages which asks to be let alone to be just satisfied withthat within itself. It awoke one day and cut its hair off! And it began to think and to do something with its
thinking! This here will be one day the cradle of Christianity, as applied in the lives of men. Yea - it is far off as
man counts time..." (excerpted from 3976-29]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Nixon_visit_to_China 1972
Another reading gave this:.........Changes are coming this may be sure - an evolution or revolution in the ideas of religious thought The
basis of it for the world will eventually come out of Russia, not Communism no - but rather that which is thebasis of same, as Christ taught - His kind of Communism. [425-5] ..........

I ask? perhaps known as the Age of Aquarius and the traits more associated with the theme of same.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #36 - on: 23.03.2014 at 19:13 [UT] »March 23, Sunday, 2014 - Heating up in Ankara - Syria aggression

IF we are all in agreement meanwhile, I'll proceed with this natal chart and progress it:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/countries/turkey.php
Turkey was created in 1923 from the Turkish remnants of the Ottoman Empire.
The Proclamation of the Turkish Republic took place on October 29, 1923, 8:30 pm EET, Ankara (32e52,
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39n56).
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Erdogan,_Recep_Tayyip
Somewhere in those Cayce readings, it occurs to me, he mentioned "Ankara" and of course Syria being thehotbeds which will possibly ignite WW3.
Quote: from 3976-26 Edgar Cayce reading extract:" Strifes will arise through the period. Watch for them near Davis Strait in the attempts there for the keepingof the life line to a land open. Watch for them in Libya and in Egypt, in Ankara and in Syria, through the straits
about those areas above Australia, in the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf."

Neither of these two countries are settled, imo. Certainly not Syria, for it's been years now with Assad refusal toleave his office and dictatorship. The problems are far from resolved and possibly never will be after all thesethousands of victims and deaths.
Erdogan of Turkey seems to be ratcheting up the heat over there now, both on his hardline clamps on the
citizens and what he sees as necessary regardless of what they deem necessary (such as many decades of freespeech , Twitter, Facebook etc now)
Today Erdogan blasts at Syria, with whom they share a border Turkey & Syria, and warns, "IF you dare fly aplane into MY airspace" ....or something akin to this I heard on CNN a few minutes ago, "Then I will come down
HARDER next time"
The heat being ratched upwards now.
Can Edgar Cayce's long ago prediction of this area being the hotbed it now is, be finally coming into our
Collective Consciousness?
Remember, in the 1930s or 40's his readings were from the Akashic Record and/or the Collective
Unconscious and therefore, is only now seeing the light of the conscious mind.

Does anyone have a Nick Campion book showing Country charts which are more appropriate? I'm looking for
Turkey now.
Ankara was mentioned by Cayce.
That is the Capital of Turkey.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26706417#
I found his exact words. Note the use of "MY".......not my country, or our airspace, a Fruedian slip perhaps or acontrolling Dictator in their midst which will only get worse over time?
There is still a madman according to both Cayce & Nostradamus, yet to be seen over there.....Obviously it
wasn't Bin-Laden as he is irrelevant now.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/23/turkey-shot-down-syrian-p_n_5016500.htm lQuote:"A Syrian plane violated our airspace," Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan told an election rally of his supporters in northwest Turkey.
"Our F-16s took off and hit this plane. Why? Because if you violate my airspace , our slap after this will be hard,"

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #37 - on: 24.03.2014 at 05:44 [UT] »Hi Debra,I lived in Turkey for some time,most citizens would say MY country not sure if it's normal for theleader to say My country..I'll find out.
The June 2012 interception of Turkish aircraft by the Syrian Armed Forces on 22 June 2012 resulted in the
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shooting down of a Turkish F-4 reconnaissance jet,both pilots died.Syria–Turkey relations were already marredby the Turkish pilgrim bus attack. Also, on 9 April 2012, the Syrian envoy to Turkey was summoned after Syrian
forces fired across the Syria–Turkey border. At least two people were killed and many others injured in theincident.There's also many Syrian refugees living in houses on the Turkish side of the border.
Turkey has accepted at least 400,000 Syrian refugees and doing well by them considering the strain it's put
them under.Turkey's armed forces plus 2 US airbases in Turkey(NATO members) can easily take Syria but Iranwould not be happy.What a tangled web it all is!
I don't by any means support what Gul and Erdoğan are doing in Turkey.
(the ban on twitter didn't work out so well for him! digital coup took place)Also with Russia's latest's action in Crimea I feel world leaders are less sensitive to Russia's defense of Asaad
regime now. Israel has also attacked Hezbollah forces that are fighting for Asaad on their border with Syria andother targets near their border that look threatening to them.
There are strong and understandable concerns about the Syrian war spilling over the borders especially with
Iran and Al-Qaeda fighters involved in Syria.
WOW tension is so high as A approaches Om April 2nd. That is n (wide) Turkeys E and m N. Last AmO saw
the threat by North Korea to the US and South Korea..very tense as well.That m is n N Koreas CI ,it may alsoo NK's J,they are testing missiles again now.
I notice in my world people are more easily affronted than usual so stay calm.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #38 - on: 24.03.2014 at 06:31 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 21.03.2014 at 00:19 [UT]:
Quote from Londonderry on 20.03.2014 at 18:57 [UT]:
Debra,
My country is USA. British ancestry but US is my home. I feel shame when I read what our financial world is up to here.
The economic crash of 2008 did not change the corruption, but instead, seems to have increased it.
I believe, if I am correct, there was a hard Pulto-Uranus aspect going on during our Great Depression, around 1930. Now
those energies are back. So I wonder if those who have abused their Pluto power here will experience a humbling andhumiliating loss of wealth.

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Gender:I worked for USAA in San Antonio (the company's headquarters) until today, as my contract was not renewed. It was my first experience
with a huge corporation (over 20,000 people employed at this building, larger than the Pentagon and nearly 3/4 of a mile long). Theirslogan was "Integrity, Honesty and Ethics" and I worked in, of all things, the Compliance department. I was an auditor. Within 4 months ofstarting there I uncovered things within my own team that demanded I report them as an auditor, and as a result, a 50 ml. bullet waspropped on my desk, and long story short, the corrupt win the day and I was chosen to be the one to be removed from what the VP called"a toxic environment". I had never seen such entitlement attitudes in my life; people who felt that if they worked 20 hours a week they
were entitled to a $60-$90k paycheck, and we're not talking about surgeons here, they were glorified proofreaders but once they'd been in
the company more than a few years and saw how some people were taking advantage, they also bellied up and demanded their due.
Those who screamed the loudest and jumped up and down were pandered to; those that were humble and had a huge work ethic wereconsidered weak and they were exploited, sometimes with the work of the lazy ones who would shrug their shoulders about the unfairness.
Corporations feed those who keep the secrets. You are rewarded for having no ethics. REWARDED. Coming from years of private practicewhere if you didn't work you got the boot, I was astounded at the attitude.
I have transiting Pluto sitting on my Midheaven right now so thank God I understand the behind the scenes implications, witnessed thevast corruption and walked out with my head held high. But the fact that corporations are selling themselves as caring about people whenin reality they are breeding grounds for greed and corruption hurts my soul. I don't even think about "karma" in situations like thisbecause it will take a whole lot of time--- an unbelievably long amount of time, before these very powerful corporations are brought
down. Most likely it's going to take some sort of natural disaster because the little people don't have the energy to take on things the way
they did in the 60's. I don't know if the mass amount of pharmceuticals has contributed to this, but my guess is that yes, it contributes
greatly, because Big Pharm is a monster of a corporation, and feeds other corporations simply by providing these drugs that keep us
numb. I myself am so focused on merely SURVIVING now, being 55 and having a 16 year old son at home, a single mom, that the idea of
filing some kind of suit against the company for not protecting me against the very real physical threat presented to me never would enter
my mind. I just don't have the energy. I have to walk away.

Surprised to see this (these) posts in this thread but had to note...
I worked for a major Fortune 500 company in Quality and Regulatory. I (and a peer) brought up ethicalconcerns (among other things, finding forged signatures on permanent quality records) in order to stop andfix the problem from within. I was TRAINED to do that. Over and over we were drilled to do best practices,
follow procedures, blah, blah. But when the investigation happened - nothing happened. But I was laid off very
next round (O transit n natal J on my MC). Surprise! The peer found a job outside the company before thelayoff or he'd have been hit, too. I still stand by my convictions and vow never to reduce my ethics or work foranyone who can't back up their own ethics. Still don't know where I should focus my career though. I'm rather
embittered by the reality that corruption is very alive and well.
For the record, there is no such thing as quality or ethics in business. There are only tools and scapegoats.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #39 - on: 24.03.2014 at 06:45 [UT] »The interesting thing about Egypt and Turkey is that Turkish government has made laws to take away powers ofthe military that Ataturk made law so they could, and did, coup any government that did not separate churchand state. Egypt on the other hand had a revolution to establish democracy,voted in an Islamic party,albeit who
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promised to establish equal rights rule, but didn't stick to that once in power) and now it looks like Egypt will
return to a military rule. The Egyptians are on the bones of their bums and need stability so they can growagain.But I don't believe it's over...I like to think the OJo will eventually give birth to a new rule that suits
the region,but one that separates church and state and is inclusive of all sects and 'tribes'..Ig me.
Breaking news
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death, defense lawyer says - @Reuters

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #40 - on: 24.03.2014 at 14:42 [UT] »Deb,
Above Australia is North Korea with mad man Kim Jong-Un. ?????

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #41 - on: 24.03.2014 at 16:54 [UT] »Quote from wanderer on 24.03.2014 at 05:44 [UT]:Hi Debra,I lived in Turkey for some time,most citizens would say MY country not sure if it's normal for the leader to say My country..I'll
find out.
The June 2012 interception of Turkish aircraft by the Syrian Armed Forces on 22 June 2012 resulted in the shooting down of a Turkish F-4
reconnaissance jet,both pilots died.Syria–Turkey relations were already marred by the Turkish pilgrim bus attack. Also, on 9 April 2012, theSyrian envoy to Turkey was summoned after Syrian forces fired across the Syria–Turkey border. At least two people were killed and manyothers injured in the incident.There's also many Syrian refugees living in houses on the Turkish side of the border.
Turkey has accepted at least 400,000 Syrian refugees and doing well by them considering the strain it's put them under.Turkey's armed
forces plus 2 US airbases in Turkey(NATO members) can easily take Syria but Iran would not be happy.What a tangled web it all is!
I don't by any means support what Gul and Erdoğan are doing in Turkey.
(the ban on twitter didn't work out so well for him! digital coup took place)Also with Russia's latest's action in Crimea I feel world leaders are less sensitive to Russia's defense of Asaad regime now. Israel has also

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attacked Hezbollah forces that are fighting for Asaad on their border with Syria and other targets near their border that look threatening tothem.
There are strong and understandable concerns about the Syrian war spilling over the borders especially with Iran and Al-Qaeda fighters
involved in Syria.
WOW tension is so high as

A approaches Om April 2nd. That is n (wide) Turkeys E and m N. Last AmO saw the threat by North Korea
m is n N Koreas CI ,it may also o NK's J,they are testing missiles again now.

to the US and South Korea..very tense as well.That

I notice in my world people are more easily affronted than usual so stay calm.

And then of course there was the debacle with Israel, and finally resolved by payoff of money? from the deaths
caused when Turkey tried to deliver goods desperately needed by the Palestinians a few years ago.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #42 - on: 24.03.2014 at 16:57 [UT] »REF: Wanderer:

Quote:Breaking news
Egyptian court sentences 529 Muslim Brotherhood members to death, defense lawyer says - @Reuters

DECLARATION OF MASSIVE DEATH PENALTY without trial? Military Interim Govt - Made on: March 2014,

Somewhere on this forum would be the charts for both Morsi & his rival, in the last and only democratically
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held elections, as well as the Election Chart. I'll need to research it again.
As I vaguely recall, lots of l in both charts at least of the two who ran for President, one propped by the
military the other by the majority of the people at the time who won by just a sliver as numbers go. Similar toGore- vs G.W.Bush years ago.
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/egypt-more-500-sentenced-death-grotesque-ruling-2 014-0324
NOTE:
My husband use to do handy-man work for a rich man whose wife was from Israel.
When they talked about what to do about the Palestinian problem (this was many years ago now), she (Ya-el)
said,"Kill em' all". He (astonished) said, "are you serious?" And she repeated the 3 words.

Collective Unconscious, being more and more conscious?

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #43 - on: 24.03.2014 at 17:06 [UT] »Quote from bibbe on 24.03.2014 at 14:42 [UT]:Deb,
Above Australia is North Korea with mad man Kim Jong-Un. ?????

Bibbe: I'll need to check and see if he specifically mentions anywhere in the country that was Korea, I know hespoke about the Manchurian and theChinese, if that would be the Mongolian race.
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But when was North Korea established? I doubt it, because Cayce spoke in the 30s in these readings I believe.
I found this which is rather comprehensive in its short form:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-500194-edgar-cayce-nostra damusand-the-bible-on-world-war-3.html
I haven't read it yet, just found now, so perhaps I'd not agree with some of it. I would think however, because
it mentions the bible in the title, that that might be suspicious, because the Revelation written by John was
basically the internal psyche of John himself, how he wrote about what he himself could perceive and Caycesays it's about the Endrocine Glands (the 7 sisters) so should not be taken literally at all!
Thus, I'd leave out the Bible and go with Cayce & Nostradamus for now. (imo)
Ref: "Edgar Cayce on the Revelation: Study guide for spirituality the Body & Mind"by John Van Auken forewardby Charles Thomas Cayce, A.R.E.Press, 1st Printing 2000.
The planets in the Solar System in this treatise (book), suggests the readings tell us they are part (as we aretoo), of the whole. The Universal Conscousness. As the writer states, "at first glance, it may seem paradozicalthat these outer influenes are also within us spiritually, menetally & p hysically; that universal "things" such as
the planets find a relating point without our physical bodies." Then he goes on to relate the concept to Hermes(Thoth) says the same thing essentially.
From 1776-1 "As we find C F E G D with E being in an abstract position - all becoming a part of thisentity's experience; not because of bodily birth but because of the entity as a soul". (extract from a reading)This may sound familiar to some who are familiar with Thoth and the Hermes concept: from thesame reading:"He finds himself then a counterpart, a shadow of all that is; and that within his own self each cell of its body is
but a miniature of the universe without its own body its own cell of positive and negative force that applies tothe material, the mental and the spiritual"
When Cayce talks about a shadow of all that is, this should be contemplated deeply for it is the answer to allthings.
The "counterpart" I think he is speaking of our individual reflection of the whole. Meaning, how the planets
mentioned above are being "reflected back" as to the various life sojourns of the entity (various incarnational
lives) he lived and what he did with them. The planets then, or the natal will REFLECT back from that "whole"or the counterpart.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #44 - on: 24.03.2014 at 20:25 [UT] »New York Times:
Obama and Allies Agree to Exclude Russia From Group of 8 President Obama and the leaders of the biggest
Western economies agreed on Monday to exclude President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia from the Group of 8,
suspending his government’s 15-year participation in the diplomatic forum and further isolating his country.
In a joint statement after a two-hour, closed-door meeting of the four largest economies in Europe, along withJapan and Canada, the leaders of the seven nations announced that a summit meeting planned for Sochi,
Russia, in June will now be held in Brussels — without Russia’s participation.
“This group came together because of shared beliefs and shared responsibilities. Russia’s actions in recent
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weeks are not consistent with them,” the statement said. “Under these circumstances, we will not participate in
the planned Sochi Summit. We will suspend our participation in the G-8 until Russia changes course.”

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #45 - on: 24.03.2014 at 20:33 [UT] »Quote from Linda Harris on 21.03.2014 at 00:13 [UT]:For me this chart is definite about it being sabotage....

Thanks for posting the chart Linda.
Perhaps someday we'll know the truth of why exactly this flight ended up in the ocean, as the official
pronouncement today is declaring based on the "percentages".....used by the Satellite Company.
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Logical and over time, consistent information I would think went into that belief based on their science andpassed to the Malaysian Govt.
Of course many in Malaysia and elsewhere may never believe and that is WHY it's urgent too, to find the hard
proof one way or another of something one can hold into their hands.
I was talking to a friend from Mexico today and asked her if she ever saw such public display of wailing before
and she said yes in her country. Actually, today in Mexico thousands are still missing and families have no
graves, no bones nothing concrete to say if they are dead or alive, in someone's hands, (i.e. trafficking of sex
and drugs) or what is going on.
A terrible situation.
Perhaps some of these folks now can rest more assured that their loved ones have passed on. I don't knowwhat their religious persuasion is in Malaysia and/or China or if there even is a foundation in a higher
understanding or belief. I can only hope so, as that is the only solace some of us get in this lifetime.
I noticed this morning that Sarah B. the girlfriend of the American on board who worked for IBM and was
scoping out a job overseas and she herself was also packed to go and meet him soon, said, "It occurred to me,
it was his soul all along".
I thought that was so poignant what she said, because she said all along for 17 days, she "felt" him near her
and believed she was picking up the vibes of him being alive and held somewhere........so it appears that forsome reason or other (maybe logic or probabilities based on reason) that it made sense to her that her fiancé,Phllip Wood is indeed dead, and it was his Soul, she has been perceiving all along.
I wish the others as much peace with it as she seems to now have.
Note: I too believe it was some kind of sabatoge, and believe the plane is in the deep waters of the Indian
Ocean.
The chart tells us a rather serious ending with the take off with fixed star Antares, a violent red star or known
for violence or being able to bring about violence in one's environment, is the Rising Star here in this chart,(officially it's 9i )and of course, as we read the chart, we see the Bc (potentially men and younger ones, more than one), theMoon or "action" of the flight, the chart itself, the event; being in a double sign of Gemini, n the Ascendant(lifeblood?) and on the cusp of the 7th (others) is not going to be a happy ending.
Those without faith don't even have astrology to convince them however, so it's quite sad all around.
Even with astrology, there have been many many theories with this event. A true who-done it mystery (I near
the cusp and in the 4th house)(Charts seen on replies 3 & 19) page 1
The National Chart has the same two signs, Gemini and Sag but on reverse angles.......the Progressed MC overthe 11th house of the Masses of the country.
They are being called to account by its citizens.
My friend in Mexico said something about seeing this event (mass event in Malaysia) as sad as it is for them, as
reflecting back to the mass casualties, not in the spotlight much today, or the missing of Mexico, the harm,sadness and futility that accompanies their pain there. not knowing the whereabouts or final end of their loved
ones, the thousands of families.
There may be a connection yet we are not conscious of for it lies in the unconscious.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #46 - on: 25.03.2014 at 02:30 [UT] »I think we should also mention the 14 known dead and many more still missing from the Washington State
mudslide (burying homes and roads) last Saturday, in Oso Wa. From the intense rains there.
Time of Event: 10:45 A.M. Time confirmed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Oso_mudslide

Terrible catastrophe. One lady was holding her little grandbaby on the news, and she is missing as is thebaby.

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Half of the town of Oso is now missing.
see photos:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26726746#
Quote:
steady stream of worried people made their way Sunday to the shelter set up in Arlington.
Caroline Neal was among them. She had come looking for word of her father, Stephen, a plumber who was servicing a hot water tank fora woman who had just moved to Oso.
The woman is now missing, as is the cable guy who was working on her home at the same time. And Neal's father, Stephen, 52, isnowhere to be found.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-washington-mudslide-voices-2014
0323,0,37968.story#ixzz2wwCOEQua
Seldom are the fixed stars studied which conjunct the planets exactly right on the bullseye in the descriptions,
usually they are "subtle" however and often can be read as befitting the event . Such as the combination ofenergies concerning these two planets in the 11th house seems to show us:
In this case of the mudslide: O 11a falls in the 11th house, a very public house of the masses.
With the planet of extremes, here is what it says about this star with the A located 2 Aries known as Deneb
Ceitos in the constellation of Cetus the whale or sea monster:With O : Quick mind, but slow expression, many losses especially in Mercurial matters, restless, much travel,
rarely remains long in one place, much energy, but accomplishes little, mind temporarily unbalanced, badfor love affairs and marriage, ailments affecting the kidneys or veins in the small of the back, peculiar death,probably alone in a forest or desert. [Robson*, p.163.]

Actually, the ruler of the 4th of endings, is the A and it's location in 11th @ 2a along with O 11a
I'd say it's a very peculiar death, and more than likely alone in a forest (the trees everywhere in this little townof trees and forests nearby.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #47 - on: 25.03.2014 at 05:28 [UT] »Debra, the date I have is Saturday, March 22.
Mercury rules the chart through Gemini and is on an angle in the 10th house and is conjunct Neptune.
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Uranus (sudden shocking events) is intercepted in its own house. It's apex of tsquare to opposition between
Jupiter in cancer (too much groundwater) and Pluto in Capricorn (water and earth equals mud). Pluto is in his
own house as well, conjunct the 8th house cusp. The news reports are worse and worse.
Expected to see something big in the 4th house for a mudslide. Not sure about accuracy of the astro program
I'm using but I think Lilith is only thing in the house. I know she an be bad...

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #48 - on: 25.03.2014 at 15:39 [UT] »Quote from Sloan on 25.03.2014 at 05:28 [UT]:
Debra, the date I have is Saturday, March 22.
Mercury rules the chart through Gemini and is on an angle in the 10th house and is conjunct Neptune.
Uranus (sudden shocking events) is intercepted in its own house. It's apex of tsquare to opposition between Jupiter in cancer (too muchgroundwater) and Pluto in Capricorn (water and earth equals mud). Pluto is in his own house as well, conjunct the 8th house cusp. The
news reports are worse and worse.

Expected to see something big in the 4th house for a mudslide. Not sure about accuracy of the astro program
I'm using but I think Lilith is only thing in the house. I know she an be bad...

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Oh yes, thanks for the delineation too , I forgot to add the date above in my post:
There is something big for sure, Atropos (cuts the ties with this life) and is one of the 3 Fates but seldom used
on a default of a chart except by me.
The 29th degree is the critical degree of the sign. But I know what
you meant, a planet or something we are more familiar we might expect. I wonder what SIGN rules mud? I
was thinking an earth sign. I'll check Rex Bills later, but IF it turns out to be Aries, that would be spooky,
because the 4th Ruler if Aries (the Sun) and the connection to Uranus O and that fixed star of a very unusual
death!
Can you imagine? A woman just moved there, was having a new hot water heater installed and both
she and the mechanic were taken away forever in mud

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #49 - on: 25.03.2014 at 16:24 [UT] »Quote from Debra M. on 25.03.2014 at 15:39 [UT]:
Quote from Sloan on 25.03.2014 at 05:28 [UT]:
Debra, the date I have is Saturday, March 22.
Mercury rules the chart through Gemini and is on an angle in the 10th house and is conjunct Neptune.

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Uranus (sudden shocking events) is intercepted in its own house. It's apex of tsquare to opposition between Jupiter incancer (too much groundwater) and Pluto in Capricorn (water and earth equals mud). Pluto is in his own house as well,conjunct the 8th house cusp. The news reports are worse and worse.

Expected to see something big in the 4th house for a mudslide. Not sure about accuracy of theastro program I'm using but I think Lilith is only thing in the house. I know she an be bad...

Oh yes, thanks for the delineation too , I forgot to add the date above in my post:
There is something big for sure, Atropos (cuts the ties with this life) and is one of the 3 Fates but seldom used on a default of a chart
except by me.

The 29th degree is the critical degree of the sign. But I know what you meant, a planet or something we are morefamiliar we might expect. I wonder what SIGN rules mud? I was thinking an earth sign. I'll check Rex Bills later, but IF it turns out to be
Aries, that would be spooky, because the 4th Ruler if Aries (the Sun) and the connection to Uranus

O and that fixed star of a very

unusual death! Can you imagine? A woman just moved there, was having a new hot water heater installed and both she and the mechanic
were taken away forever in mud
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz243/leomoon80/recorddeadlymudslideWashingto nOso_zps4696c789.gif

Thanks for the chart and info. I'll have to look up Atropos.
The sun rules the 4th and is intercepted in the 11th along with Uranus. So that's a h4 indicator. House being
empty of planets may just show weakness in that area. Mercury - Neptune elevated in h10 shows a heavy
influence of water on the neighborhood (Gemini).
I don't know what rules mud. I'm guessing water and earth combined. It's combined in the chart both in the
mercury-Neptune conjunction (mercury through Virgo) and in the Jupiter-Pluto opposition ( cancer-Capricorn).
Mass death is Pluto on the 8th cusp. Number of people unaccounted for jumped to more than170 yesterday.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #50 - on: 25.03.2014 at 16:50 [UT] »Some of this is in my kindle , (the background of the Sisters or Fates:
Kind of eerie to consider our lives are mapped out in this way, but I believe they are enough to have studied ita long time and wrote it down (including many charts) as indications or some astrological proof I found:
4th down this link:
http://www.amazon.com/D.M.-Hoover/e/B00DVNO7WK
Here are their asteroids #'s:
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Atropos #273,
Moirae # 638
Klotho (I don't keep or track Klotho, perhaps others will in the future and let us know the results statistically)#97
Lachesis #120
I keep them in my default now for astro.com and only get rid of them when appropriate to do so. (such as inHorary where people can be sticklers and also in Vedic of course)
They don't show up easily (transits vs progressions) so often you must do both chartsfrom the classics (Plato):
Quote:
Plato talks about The Fates on the last few pages of The Republic. When a new cycle of mortality begins we all choose from a pool ofpossible life experiences. Those who are blinded by greed and lust choose to become tyrants in this world. But the true philosopherschoose more wisely and with more restraint.
“Then the Sisters Of Fate take all of our choices and weave them on their loom into the fabric of destiny.
Hear the word of Lachesis, the daughter of Necessity.
Mortal souls, behold a new cycle of life and mortality.
Your genius will not be allotted to you, but you will choose your genius;
and let him who draws the first lot have the first choice,and the life which he chooses shall be his destiny.
Virtue is free, and as a man honours or dishonours her
he will have more or less of her;
the responsibility is with the chooser —God is justified”
quote from Plato’s Republic book Written 360BCE: (short extract only) :"these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity, who are clothed in white robes and have chaplets upon their heads, Lachesis and Clotho andAtropos, who accompany with their voices the harmony of the sirens --Lachesis singing of the past, Clotho of the present, Atropos of the
future; Clotho from time to time assisting with a touch of her right hand the revolution of the outer circle of the whorl or spindle, andAtropos with her left hand touching and guiding the inner ones, and Lachesis laying hold of either in turn, first with one hand and then withthe other.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #51 - on: 25.03.2014 at 16:59 [UT] »Ref: Sloane:

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I don't know what rules mud. I'm guessing water and earth combined. It's combined in the chart both in the mercury-Neptune conjunction(mercury through Virgo) and in the Jupiter-Pluto opposition ( cancer-Capricorn). Mass death is Pluto on the 8th cusp. Number of people
unaccounted for jumped to more than170 yesterday .

I checked Rex Bills on page 90, and it's assigned there to : J G h, so THERE in these symbols and signs are
the verification as you indicate, water & earth! [The Rulership Book, Rex Bills]
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So sad for the families, I feel very badly for them too. And of course the workers there must be traumatized IF
they let their emotions be part of the digging, etc.
I once visited on a ship, a maiden voyage long ago, Italy the first time there, and they said you can see either
Pompeii OR Herculaneum (nearby but on the coast) and we opted for the latter. Rich people from Greece &Rome nearby had their villas there during the great eruption of Pompeii. and of course everyone died in mud.
The Mud houses are still there, as well as some streets. It was amazing really to consider and think of.
Years later we went to Pompeii on a land tour, but both places are definitely worth seeing.
If we have any photos I'll post later from the mud (Herculaneum) because we are going out to buy a muchneeded car today. So, later.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herculaneum
Makes me wonder if some of the same souls had perished there so long ago (2,000 yrs. ago)

May they R.I.P.
p.s. one famous man died during that time and I think it was at Herculaneum actually:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder
Quote:
Pliny is referring to the fact that Tacitus relied on his uncle's now missing work on the History of the German Wars. Pliny the Elder died on
August 25, AD 79, while attempting the rescue by ship of a friend and his family from the eruption of Mount Vesuvius that had justdestroyed the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum. The prevailing wind would not allow his ship to leave the shore. His companions
attributed his collapse and death to toxic fumes, but they were unaffected by the fumes, so he probably died of natural causes rather than
volcanic action.

Maybe he had a heart attack from all the commotion and upset!
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #52 - on: 25.03.2014 at 22:12 [UT] »Rex bills hit it on the head talking about mud. Saturn in Scorpio and Pluto in Capricorn mutual reception
strongly represents a disaster from a mudslide. Hope the rescuers are able to pull people out alive. I saw thismorning that they got a dog. Keeping fingers crossed.

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On the other hand california is having a severe drought so is manifesting the transits very differently. I'mworried that next months aspects will bring a big earthquake. Heard michael lutin say that Uranus has tosurprise and shock so if you're expecting a problem he will leave you alone (unless Pluto terror manifests).
Love that michael lutin. Especially when trying to ward off earthquakes with my thoughts.
Thanks for the descriptions of Atropos. She is daughter of necessity and sings of the future along with hersisters who sing of the past and present. I still can't interpret that maybe. Tend to keep my astrology on theidiot side. Have mercury c. Uranus in Leo which is very fixed and likes basics so I'm slow to pick up on stars
and asteroids, etc. Haven't been to any astro lectures in a long time.

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Member« Reply #53 - on: 26.03.2014 at 01:10 [UT] »Quote from Sloan on 25.03.2014 at 22:12 [UT]:On the other hand california is having a severe drought so is manifesting the transits very differently. I'm worried that next months
aspects will bring a big earthquake. Heard michael lutin say that Uranus has to surprise and shock so if you're expecting a problem he will
leave you alone (unless Pluto terror manifests). Love that michael lutin. Especially when trying to ward off earthquakes with my thoughts.

Just heard on tonight's NBC news, that this area of Washington had a 1.6 earthquake back a few years ago, andthe earthquake people have been warning about the big one yet to come since at least that time in 2006.
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There was also a 1.1 (hardly noticed) e.q. on 3/10 near Oso.
They feel now it's very likely the rains plus the shaken earth in Washington made for a very unsettled areanow.
15 inches of rain fell.
My oldest daughter lives not too far from the area but I haven't discussed this with her. I think know for a fact
she thinks it's a wonderful place to live and raise her two children, and they ALL love it there as his work is in
the adventure line of work and that is a very adventure type of life in this State. Much rugged ground, pristine
redwood forests, snowcapped Mts. (the highest in the U.S.A. Washington State has it all. It is quite serene &beautiful except when these things occur than the danger is brought to the forefront.
Whole families seemto have been wiped out or a good part of a family.

I suppose there is risk and danger everywhere and that is the reason for this thread, to discuss also theCollective and what lessons possibly are coming from the breaking into the conscious mind, the events which
destroy many lives.
Each soul is being pushed in this decade to an awakening to their very core.
In doing so, the events will help that along.
To recognize that life is not promised to anyone, and that death can occur in an instant when you least expect
it.
This way the soul is bringing about the lessons of life & death being essentially one.
But of course everyone left behind grieves terribly (just like in China), and looks to someone to blame.
That is a human foible and we all do it at the worse times of our lives.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #54 - on: 26.03.2014 at 09:23 [UT] »I think Nessus could have been to blame as it is at 29 Aquarius opposing Atropos. Nessus is the principle ofactions done forcefully (over-forcefully).
Each soul is being pushed in this decade to an awakening to their very core.
In doing so, the events will help that along.
To recognize that life is not promised to anyone, and that death can occur in an instant when you least expect
it.
This way the soul is bringing about the lessons of life & death being essentially one.

Lovely words, Deb. I do agree.
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #55 - on: 26.03.2014 at 17:52 [UT] »Quote from Lazuli on 26.03.2014 at 09:23 [UT]:
I think Nessus could have been to blame as it is at 29 Aquarius opposing Atropos. Nessus is the principle of actions done forcefully (overforcefully).

Each soul is being pushed in this decade to an awakening to their very core.
In doing so, the events will help that along.
To recognize that life is not promised to anyone, and that death can occur in an instant when you
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least expect it.
This way the soul is bringing about the lessons of life & death being essentially one.
Lovely words, Deb. I do agree.

I was thinking the other day that the Chinese citizens, (not sure about Malaysians), but the many Chinese wholost their loved ones, grieve so terribly and openly exhibiting anger and non-acceptance because they wereindeed a communist country and still are who did away with religions long long ago. I'm not sure about how
many generations ago, but I'd not be surprised if it were quite a few now (born-died, etc) who could have been
imprisoned if they broke the ban on religious display, hence most in the country have long ago fallen away fromsuch "distortions" of reality as the govt more than likely called it.
(forget what they actually called it, something like brainwashing and distortions, and so it was not allowed
legally in the country from what I vaguely recall now)

Today on CNN I heard that my theory on this was correct from someone speaking on behalf of a psychiatrist or
someone over there.
There is no where to go when you have no foundation to support you, you will collapse from theweight of the burdens as we are seeing now.
He said, most there do not believe in an afterlife. I can'teven imagine that., I find it so sad now to realize that was a thought I had now confirmed.
I know, I lost a child myself and my foundation is my faith in things unseen and have no doubt whatsoever
about the continuity of "life" in another phase, plane or state. And quite honestly, I don't think my husband
would have made it mentally or emotionally if he too didn't have an abiding faith in an afterlife with the many
dreams he has had since her passing as his needed confirmation.
As Albert Einstein once proclaimed, "you cannot destroy energy, it only changes form".
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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #56 - on: 26.03.2014 at 18:15 [UT] »Here is a HOPEFUL communion of souls going into space together, even though their individual countries or
nations are bickering: Would like to have the time of blast off!
That might be a 'blast" to see that chart:
Quote:
the rocket blasting off over an antenna at the Russian leased Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan on Wednesday, March 26, 2014

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/26/russians-and-americ ansblast-off-together/?wpisrc=nl_headlines
Reported at 6:33A.M. The Washington Post, but I don't know if this is Russia time or D.C.time for the event
Carrying two Russian cosmonauts and one NASA astronaut, a Russian Soyuz rocket blasted off this morning in
Kazakhstan for the International Space Station. AP reports that an engine snag had delayed the spacecraft’s
arrival at the International Space Station until Thursday. But the crew — which includes cosmonauts Alexander
Skvortsov, Oleg Artemyev and NASA astronaut Steven Swanson — is in no danger.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #57 - on: 26.03.2014 at 22:50 [UT] »Interactive map on the bottom of link shows "before mudslide & after mudslide" images and graph:
SEE EVENT CHART POST REPLY 48 PRIOR PAGE. ...
23°Gemini Rising - when the rumbling started - T Square F in a water sign d, earth (to make mud) J in
the earth sign of j and the wild card, Uranus in Aries at the tip of the T Square (apex) ....
Pluto residing in the 8th house of death with the water sign d (now mud) in the 2nd house of personal assetsof the neighbors.
11th house is usually because it's a public house called the House of the Collective or the multitude.
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You can see why the people lived there, it was a serene appearing community very small and closed yet easily
accessible to Seattle and points North and even to the water. Very lovely, or it was. Now people are looking as
in China for "whom should we blame?"........and lawsuits I would think will follow before long.
In the insurance industry many years ago when I worked there was a clause called, " an Act of God clause" andI'm thinking this mudslide (as well as earthquakes and other calamities unforeseen ) would also have been
excluded under this clause. This way established long before lawyers and class action lawsuits became thenorm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_God

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/26/us/washington-mudslide-search-continues.html?emc=edit_th_20140326&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=52382703&_r=0
extracted quote:"They were in their twinned reclining chairs in the living room easing into the day when, without warning, at a
few minutes before 11 a.m., their world and everything around them was shattered."
The husband was buried in mud and his collapsed home (probably wood) yelling, "please help my wife"....leaveme..as people pulled him out to safety., but it was too late for his wife.

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Re: World Events and Malaysia lost Airplane« Reply #58 - on: 27.03.2014 at 19:47 [UT] »TURKEY: breaking News 3.27.14 - YOUTUBE banned today!

apparently he has also said, that he is surrounded by "enemies" like Libya & Syria now, and I suppose his own
country's citizens, if that is how he feels now ? Even Egypt hasn't gone this far yet!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/27/by-banning-youtube- hasturkey-revealed-just-how-damning-todays-leaked-recording-is/?wpisrc=nl_wv

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Quote:
Just under a week after a controversial ban on Twitter went into force, the Turkish government has reportedly begun blocking YouTube.
Turkish visitors to the video-sharing Web site are now greeted with a page that says, "After technical analysis and legal consideration
based on the law, administrative measure has been taken for this website," according to those within the country

It's so shocking and harsh that many cannot believe he'd do such a thing as this in their country so I suppose
I'll need to find Erdogan's natal and progressions:
Quote:
Perhaps more importantly, dozens of people linked to AKP have been engulfed in a corruption scandal since December, with a number ofdamaging audio files that purport to be leaked wiretaps of Erdoğan's inner circle being shared via social networks such as YouTube andTwitter. The swift move to ban YouTube today comes after Google reportedly refused a number of previous requests from the Turkish
government to take down videos featuring corruption allegations, according to the Wall Street Journal.

While it's difficult to say whether its really a covert recording or an elaborate fake, the latest
alleged leak, released on YouTube only earlier today, could be the most damaging yet.

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Member« Reply #59 - on: 03.04.2014 at 02:41 [UT+1] »The Cardinal Grand Square and upcoming Eclipse (Solar * Lunarmuch already!

Eclipse 4/15 and 4/29 ) are getting to be too

April 1, 2014 Earthquake Iquique Chile mg 8.2 at 8:46PM local time-at least 6 dead, much damage to property

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Ring of Fire: (very active now)
California EQ the week before in L.A. 5-6
Today:
April 2nd, 2014:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26863033#

Fort Hood Shootings in the news again! In Texas a 34 year old soldier shot people he knew and worked withafter an argument ensued between him and another:
Quote:
Fort Hood Shooting Leaves 4 Dead, 14 Injured A shooting Wednesday night left at least four people dead and at least 14 wounded at Fort
Hood, the sprawling Army facility that in 2009 was the site of the deadliest mass shooting ever at an American military base, a Texas
congressman said.

3/28/14: Cairo: After Friday prayers Protests by the Brotherhood against Gen. ElSisi announcement to run for

President results in more dead:
Quote:The newspaper Al Dustour said on its website that one of its journalists, Mayada Ashraf, had been killed while covering the protests.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/29/world/middleeast/egypt-protests-in-cairo-leave -at-least5-people-dead.html?
action=click&contentCollection=Media&region=Footer&module=Recommendation&src=recg&pgtype=

Cairo:

Deadly Explosions of bombs 4/2/14 (at least 2) near Cairo University in downtown Cairo Egypt:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/04/deadly-explosions-hit-cairo-uni versity20144294110345893.html
Shahira Amin reported on FB: Quote:One dead , three injured in twin bomb blasts outside Faculty of Engineering , Cairo Univ. The bombings happened as students sat for their
exams and apparently targeted police outside

Aftershock: 4-3-14 M7.8 - TARAPACA, CHILE on April 2nd, 3, 2014 Time - (aftershock) Location 20.430S

70.113W
Depth 20 km
Distances 23 km (14 mi) S of Iquique, Chile

for all of these, try to use Asteroid BAM - # 2031
(Marianne Alexander, Astrologer first wrote about this one used by her regards gunshots, explosions & bombs
anything making a loud noise possibly earthquakes)

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Member« Reply #60 - on: 05.04.2014 at 01:55 [UT+1] »Serena Hotel in Kabul an upscale 5 Star Hotel housing journalists and politicians, was attacked by 4 hiding

young men in the restroom killing and injuring many on March 20th, 2014.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/afghanistan-election/serena-hotel-attack-highli ghts-risingviolence-afghanistan-n68031

Today on April 4th, 2014 - same city, the capital of Afghanistan is getting ready for the new Presidential election
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(is it fixed with Karzai's appointment?)
Today another violent episode - this time killing a very popular German Journalist and injury her friend.
(see the photo by scrolling down and see their car with the bullet holes)
R.I.P. Anna, and may her friend make it.

Karzai Is Trying to Keep His Sway After Term Ends
www.nytimes.com
Those hoping to see Afghanistan’s president slip into a quiet retirement may be disappointed in the months tocome.

BBC News - Afghans set to vote in historic presidential electionwww.bbc.com"Millions of Afghans are to vote for a new president amid tight security. in what will be the nation's first everdemocratic transfer of power."
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Member« Reply #61 - on: 06.04.2014 at 19:34 [UT+1] »April 4th, 2014: More serious unrest but now in lower Egypt Nubian villiages and Arab villagers:
http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.com/2014/04/syria-bigger-photo-from-yarmouk-r
efugee.html?
utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EgyptianChronicles+%28E[b]April 4th, 2014: More serious unrest but now in lower Egypt Nubian villiages and Arab villagers:
Today Egypt woke up on a disaster in Aswan, tribal fights between local ethnic tribes there resulted in the death
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of not less than 23 citizens. Of course the death toll increased till it reached to 27. It is a complete shock
because we are speaking about peaceful Aswan and peaceful Nubians.
Unfortunately this disaster has been taking place since last Thursday yet the Local authorities did not give adamn leaving it escalate in to a semi ethnic tribal fight. The fight started as a normal quarrel between teenagers
from two ethnic clans "Daboodiya" and "El Hilaliya". The "Daboodiya" clan is from Nubia while "El Hilaliya"clan isfrom the Arabs.

from the same Link/Blogger: photos of starving people, thousands have thus far died in the Yarmouck RefugeeCamp in Syria, near Damascus from this 3 years and no end in sight War:http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.com/2014/04/syria-bigger-photo-from-yarmouk-r
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Jerusalem Israel April 4th, 2014:
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Nightclub-near-HebrewUniversitys-Mt-Scopus-c ampus-firebombed-347669
Nightclub near Hebrew University in Mt. Scopus firebombed, arrests were made. Looks like the Israel youth iswell hated by the Palestinian youth in this regard to do this. No doubt making a statement of mediocre
strength still much unresolved anger by Palestinians with failing Peace Talks for many years now: Time of
attack " Just before Midnight on Saturday"
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Member« Reply #62 - on: 06.04.2014 at 23:37 [UT+1] »Jerusalem Nightclub firebombing:
It appears to me to be a fire sign rising, (firebombs went off injuring a few people), not sure about any
casualties yet or extent of damage. Mercury C is the younger men (probably the age of those in the club)found in the 3rd house , 25°Pisces [bartenders ruled by Pisces too), How about Arab men or the Palestinian
young males?
The Moon B is directly on the cusp of the 7th in Gemini, (more than one involved) and opposing the fire sign
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of Sag Rising. Note Moira conjunct the Moon (meant to kill if possible) The Moon is also square to Mercury in
the 3rd. Venus rules the house of entertainment, (it was a nightclub explosion) and found in the 3rd at nearly
29th degree of Aquarius (28:57), so quite critical I’d say. How about Aquarius? Any ideas as to who this sign
would represent between the two cultures, both sons of Abram aka, Abraham? After all they do share the sameroot, starting with Abraham biologically. Not the same mothers however all those generations ago. Abraham's
2 sons were born first born Ishmael to Hagar, an Egyptian woman; the handmaiden of Sarai,(in other words,
like a maid) and his 2nd son Isaac was born to Sarah his wife, so the story goes when Ishmael was 13 yearsof age. This would mean that Abraham kept both Ishmael and his mother Hagar close with him all those years
too until the resentment of his elderly wife Sarah started to build within her.
The descendants of Abraham are STILL fighting tooth & nail today! Judge from the chart posted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham

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Member« Reply #63 - on: 06.04.2014 at 23:51 [UT+1] »Posts 46 & post 48 are the reference for the Oso Mudslide in which at least 30 perished in Washington State
north of Seattle:*see update of numbers of deceased: http://q13fox.com/2014/04/04/church-services-honormudslide-victims-painful-sear ch-enters-2nd-week/#axzz2y9K3QnXe

Oso Washington Mud Slide mass deaths:
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wash-mudslide-is-held/2014/04/05/71f4d1d0-bd04-11e3-bcec-b71ee10e9bc3_story.html?
wpisrc=nl_headlines
first of a series of memorial services for the more than two dozen who died, even as the search continues formore victims.
A funeral for school custodian Summer Raffo, 36, was held in Arlington, a town a few miles from the site wherea torrent of mud swept her car off Highway 530 on March 22 2014. Her brother later pulled her body from thevehicle.
Another service was held in nearby Darrington for retired librarian Linda McPherson, 69, who was found dead in
the debris of her home. Her husband survived

note: The obituary for Summer Raffo says she was 5th in line of 13 children:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/HeraldNet/obituary.aspx?n=Summer-Rae-Raffo&
pid=170448253
She would have celebrated her 37th Solar Return in less than 2 weeks time

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/heraldnet/obituary.aspx?n=linda-mcpherson&p id=170425032

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Member« Reply #64 - on: 13.04.2014 at 18:49 [UT+1] »The ongoing acrimony between the Palestinians who are very frustrated now, (lack of any Peace Agreement orboundary status being changed) and the Govt. of Israel:
The Holy Site for both Islam & Jews is now closed to the public!
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Temple-Mount-riot-in-Jerusalem-Two-police-off icerslightly-injured-348366

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Two police officers were lightly injured near the Temple Mount Sunday morning when hundreds of Palestinians
threw rocks and Molotov cocktails at officers stationed at Mugrabi Gate. The gate stands between the Temple
Mount and the Western Wall Plaza.
According to police, the violence began at 8 am.

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