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What makes up the wheel of guilt and shame? (Read 118 times)

Renee12456
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What makes up the wheel of guilt and shame?
« on: 31.10.2007 at 03:12 [UT] »Here's an example from my own life -- I had furniture up for sale on Craigslist and some people and I agree
that they will come at 8:30 and get it. They showed up closer to 9 but who's counting, ill prepared -- no dolly,
just the one man, not enough room in their minivan for all the stuff. So I ended up doing most of the moving,including carrying a king size sealy mattress out of my place and putting it on top of their minivan, that justabout did me in. So we agreed last night that they would come again tonight at the same time, 8:30, and theywould finish moving the furniture out. I said you need a dolly and an extra man. So ... I got home at 8:30 tofind she'd left an email for me on my personal email address to please call her when I got home because shewanted to make sure I would be home before they left, because it's a long drive with the kids, etc. I was like
why would I say I'll meet you here at 8:30 and not show up? If something had been wrong, I would havecalled you to reschedule. You haven't even left the house yet?? So 45 minutes later they show up, with noone to help move the furniture, which we had ascertained the night before was heavy. I stayed in the kitchenand told him to go on about his business with the furniture. 20 minutes later and he's still in there mumbling
to himself so I said are you talking to me? He said yes, this furniture is so heavy I can't get it on the dolly. Isaid where's your wife, and I thought you were going to bring a friend to help you, you know, for the price, I
think it's a little much that I also have to move it for you. He said well maybe he can't get all the rest of ittonight, maybe he will come back tomorrow night. I said no, no. No tomorrow night. It's outta here tonight.
(They don't know how close I came to taking an axe to the furniture and throwing it in the fireplace.)
I was tired and exasperated and because I felt I was justified, I was rude, really, that's the long and the short ofit. And then I realized they can't help it, no one's at fault, everybody had as long a day as I did, everyone's as
tired as I am, I need to act like an adult for a change, so I apologized to the both of them for being grouchy.
And now I really really wish I had not expressed impatience and lack of willingness to help them. I kind of likethem both and would like to make friends with them. Their two little boys are darling and lots of fun tointeract with.
This happens a lot. I think I have reason to grouch and fuss and make someone else feel bad because they
were wrong, and while I'm doing it I am convinced that it is what should be done .... and ten minutes later I
wish to God I could take it back and I wish I could be a better person.
What in the chart would show this kind of returning to a bad trait again and again, knowing that it will produce
guilt and shame?
Is this just something all people do, that we would find some in everyone's chart? Or is it in a sick way like an
addition to something evil.
Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam,
R
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Derek

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Re: What makes up the wheel of guilt and shame?
« Reply #1 - on: 31.10.2007 at 03:25 [UT] »Scorpio springs to mind, in all honesty, or Virgo...signs knowing the value of hard work.
Or perhaps you have a pronounced Saturn? It's rather unfair to blame yourself for having to put too much
effort in to your half of this transaction. Maybe there's something in the synastry between you and these folks.
Intresting question you pose, though.
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Renee12456
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Re: What makes up the wheel of guilt and shame?
« Reply #2 - on: 31.10.2007 at 03:47 [UT] »Well, I was laying blame on them, but I asked her why he hadn't brought anyone to help, and she said she
asked some friends and they refused, and then I felt bad for him and I understood the situation better because
it's amazing the friends you can think you have until you need to move house. Everybody's gonna be out oftown, got bad backs you never knew about , etc etc.
Does anyone else have a character flaw that turns around and bites them in the butt, too?
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silverfish

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Re: What makes up the wheel of guilt and shame?
« Reply #3 - on: 31.10.2007 at 09:04 [UT] »Quote from Renee12456 on 31.10.2007 at 03:12 [UT]:
What in the chart would show this kind of returning to a bad trait again and again, knowing that it will produce guilt and shame?
Is this just something all people do, that we would find some in everyone's chart? Or is it in a sick way like an addition to something evil.
Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam,R

I read somewhere, don't remember if it was in astrology- or psychologybooks, that the fathers tend to produce
shame and the mothers tends towards the guilt...
Astrologywise it then would be adequate to look at the saturn/sun/moon, cappy/cancer contacts in a chart.
Especially the tense aspects will reveal something about the shame/quilt issue.
And Renee, I think you shine like the sun now and then.
It's very good that you are so aware of this misprogrammed habit of yours. Cause that's what it is. You'll workon it. I'm sure.
It would be much more worse if you didn't reflect at all...
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Mars_second
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Re: What makes up the wheel of guilt and shame?
« Reply #4 - on: 31.10.2007 at 09:37 [UT] »Quote:Is this just something all people do, that we would find some in everyone's chart?

I'm of the opinion, 'yes'.
It's interesting that you bring up guilt. Here's an Eric Francis quote on Psyche;
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Gender:Psyche is the sense of the psychic wound that never heals. Often it is a wound to faith. It is where we think we are permanently damaged.
WE ARE NOT! But that is the sense of where and how. Psyche works a lot like Chiron in that because we think we are damaged somespecific way, and often are, we do a lot of healing work and create a sense of power and special strength; the injury becomes its opposite.
But there is often some kind of psychological legacy involved, and it can -- among other things -- involve guilt. The house and sign
placement should tell you something about how to go about healing that guilt

I notice C is retrograding over Psyche today @ g23. I'm thinking this may correlate to the awareness of the'wheel', somewhat . . .
Some thoughts,
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Renee12456

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Re: What makes up the wheel of guilt and shame?
« Reply #5 - on: 31.10.2007 at 20:29 [UT] »It's like always being sent back to kindergarten. It's hard to think you can ever make any progress when youcan't get the most basic stuff down, like the Golden Rule.

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