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Gayle Garcia
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Astrology and Insanity« on: 11.07.2012 at 01:37 [UT+1] »I have a fixed T square with my 5th house Mars/Scorpio Apex
My natal aqua 9th house moon is squared my 5th house Neptune/Scorpio. I also have my moon opposition my
3rd house Uranus.
My natal Pluto is in my 4th house.
I grew up in a very disfunction family with a narcissistic, master manipulating very abusive alcholic drug
addicted (Virgo) mother who withheld love and affection from me as well as brutally beat me as a way ofpunishing me just for existing.
It wasn't until I was a full grown adult that I realized that my mother was/is completely insane and it is very
obvious in my natal chart.
I'm curious to know if there are others who have similiar aspects as I have that have a mother or mother figure
who are mentally instabled.
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Astrochologist

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #1 - on: 11.07.2012 at 02:17 [UT+1] »Do you have moon square pluto by orb? Moon square neptune is indicative of a drug addict mother. But Iminterested in the Moon square Pluto aspect. Because I have this aspect. It means the mother emotionallyabused. Only gave "love" when you complied with their orders. When you didn't, they would guilt trip you. So
you pretty much have a strong, even violent emotional reaction to people giving you orders or attempts atmanipulation and this puts people on edge, makes them uncomfortable.
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Squirrel
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #2 - on: 11.07.2012 at 04:42 [UT+1] »I have moon-pluto (in the eighth) and moon-neptune and my mother is pretty much totally the opposite ofwhat you've described. But then again, my aspects are a conjunction and a sextile, not squares so that mightfactor into things a bit.
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #3 - on: 11.07.2012 at 04:54 [UT+1] »I do have my aA (in my 9th) o my NB in d (in my 11th, on the cusp of my 12th) but more important is myslightly afflicted I in my 4th.
My sister also has I in her 4th as well.
My mother is a Ae, jB with C and D in f - has always been a narcissistic nutjob who seemed to have no
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Gender:joy in her life aside from trying to convince others that she is better than they are. She's a very unpleasanthuman being, and now that she's embraced some new age religious beliefs she's become even moreunbearable. Not that she has chosen this spirtual path, but that she (like everything else in life when it comesto her) is all about imposing her beliefs on her children and anyone else who happens to be within earshot.
She almost ran off and joined a cult 20 years ago, blew through a tidy sum of money trying to "find herself",
and all the time passing judgement on her kids for wanting to follow their own path(s). I don't have mymom's exact birth time, but I would suspect that she may have an earth sign on the horizon, perhaps Taurus,
because she was quite beautiful in her youth, somewhat tall and "sturdy" yet very feminine - she's also always
been extremely single minded (and it would set up some curious aspects with her various natal planets)

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Gayle Garcia
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #4 - on: 11.07.2012 at 08:12 [UT+1] »Sorry for just now replying. I was trying to figure out how to.
My mother used drugs (cocaine) for years as well as alcohol. I don't have her birth chart. Her sun is Virgo andVirgo's are the worst kind of addicts, (Amy Winehouse, Charlie Sheen). Her sun squares my Sagittarius sun by
the way.
It amazed me and still does how she was able to manipulate so many ppl into believing that she was normal
and I was the one with the problem. She even had a successful career.
She's really good at lieing and would have made a wonderful actress in another lifetime.
She was not only physically abusive, she was emotionally and mentally abusive as well. And she was very
jealous of me. Very threatened of me around her crazy alcholic boyfriend.
She has her moon in leo. She would always try to steal my thunder and she made it so obvious. LOL!!
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Gayle Garcia

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #5 - on: 11.07.2012 at 08:17 [UT+1] »OK.....No I do not have my Moon square Pluto. I have My Sadge Sun square Pluto.

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Astrochologist
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #6 - on: 11.07.2012 at 14:31 [UT+1] »Pluto in Virgo? I presume

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Gayle Garcia

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #7 - on: 11.07.2012 at 14:34 [UT+1] »yes my pluto is in Virgo. But this aspect is more generational than personal (natal).

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blombido
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #8 - on: 11.07.2012 at 14:56 [UT+1] »Wrong board darling. Try the post my chart one.
Some 'mad' buggers there might send you bonkers with their dubious notions as to the Horoscopy of
unfortunate Neural Circuitry. Or you may get lucky!
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aquarienne

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #9 - on: 11.07.2012 at 15:05 [UT+1] »Quote from Gayle Garcia on 11.07.2012 at 14:34 [UT+1]:
yes my pluto is in Virgo. But this aspect is more generational than personal (natal).

just my two-cents on 'generational' aspects in the natal chart... i suppose the outer planets (saturn, uranus,
neptune, pluto) can all be termed 'generational,' but the house positions, and aspects they make to each other- and especially to personal planets - are the keys to understanding their specific influence to each individual.

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for example, i share the late '60s classic 'kite' formation (saturn-jupiter-neptune trine, completed by the plutouranus conjunction sextile to neptune & jupiter, and opposed the saturn-chiron conjunction) with millions ofpeople. however, the meaning/lessons of this configuration for me can be found in the t-square my anaretic
moon makes to the opposition in the kite, in the opposition my sun makes to jupiter in the trine, in the squareof my venus to neptune in the trine, and in the fact that each planet in the kite formation is in the 'natural'house correspnding to its sign placement (ie, saturn/chiron pisces 12H, uranus/pluto virgo 6H, jupiter cancer
4H, neptune scorpio 7H, moon gemini 3H, venus aquarius 11H)...
the lessons for me based on those 'generational' configurations will be far different than, say, for someone
whose pluto/uranus in virgo is in the 1H, opposed saturn/chiron 7H, and t-square to mars, or someone whose
scorpio neptune is in 12H trine a 4H pisces moon...
~aqua

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Gayle Garcia
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #10 - on: 11.07.2012 at 15:40 [UT+1] »Ok I get it
I tried to copy and paste my birth chart which would of been a lot helpful.
My Ai o my e J. But it not part of my Fixed T square. Thank goodness it's not. I have hell with my BO n.
My AJ plays out with me being a little bit controlling. But I've done lots of work on that. I know the control
stuff has to do with issues relating to my upbringing and not feeling like I can trust anyones judgement.
Thank you for sharing
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #11 - on: 11.07.2012 at 17:36 [UT+1] »Gayle,Are you able to post her chart/your chart? I wonder what the synastry looks like.
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This is how you insert a chart on astro:
http://www.astro.com/for/for_image_e.htm
I find the easiest way is to click on the blue lettering that says "show available files", all the charts you've
looked at that day will pop up, just click on the right one.

My mom has some severe problems, not narcissistic, but pretty bad. Unfortunately I don't have her birth time,
but my moon conjuncts her Sun. In fact 3 out of 4 kids have our Moon in the same sign as her Sun. Statically
improbable. I'd like to think there was a reason to be born into this, but I've yet to understand. I often see astrong Jupiter in NPD's.
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Domus
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #12 - on: 11.07.2012 at 18:00 [UT+1] »Quote from blombido on 11.07.2012 at 14:56 [UT+1]:
Wrong board darling. Try the post my chart one.
Some 'mad' buggers there might send you bonkers with their dubious notions as to the Horoscopy of unfortunate Neural Circuitry. Or you
may get lucky!

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The anunnaki must disturb their dreams too often and their impaired link to our ancient progenitors prevents a
proper practice of the art. Perhaps there is an astrological indicator for this, for I cannot see any otherexplanation for the unfortunate arrangement you describe. A poorly aspected E perhaps?

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blombido

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #13 - on: 11.07.2012 at 18:12 [UT+1] »Quote from Domus on 11.07.2012 at 18:00 [UT+1]:
Quote from blombido on 11.07.2012 at 14:56 [UT+1]:
Wrong board darling. Try the post my chart one.
Some 'mad' buggers there might send you bonkers with their dubious notions as to the Horoscopy of unfortunate Neural
Circuitry. Or you may get lucky!
The anunnaki must disturb their dreams too often and their impaired link to our ancient progenitors prevents a proper practice of the art.
Perhaps there is an astrological indicator for this, for I cannot see any other explanation for the unfortunate arrangement you describe. A
poorly aspected

E perhaps?

Apparently it's got something to do with leaving school early, a low IQ, and then running into a shady character
who entices you into, at an impressionable stage in ones Cognitive and Moral Development, an Occultbookstore.
Not sure about Mars, this symbolises how we assert ourselves and go after what our Sun wants or aspires to.
Have you got a firmer hypothesis to support the bringing in of the God of War?
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DomusMember

Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #14 - on: 11.07.2012 at 18:23 [UT+1] »A possible occurrence, but not one that applies in this case. Do you have any alternative hypotheses?
As you have said Mars certainly gives indication of how one asserts themselves. Maybe you can explain to me
how your Mars placement affects you and I can think of a logical reason.

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Gayle Garcia

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #15 - on: 11.07.2012 at 18:31 [UT+1] »Quote from zippy on 11.07.2012 at 17:36 [UT+1]:
Gayle,Are you able to post her chart/your chart? I wonder what the synastry looks like.
This is how you insert a chart on astro:
http://www.astro.com/for/for_image_e.htm
I find the easiest way is to click on the blue lettering that says "show available files", all the charts you've looked at that day will pop up,
just click on the right one.

My mom has some severe problems, not narcissistic, but pretty bad. Unfortunately I don't have her birth time, but my moon conjuncts herSun. In fact 3 out of 4 kids have our Moon in the same sign as her Sun. Statically improbable. I'd like to think there was a reason to beborn into this, but I've yet to understand. I often see a strong Jupiter in NPD's.

I tried so many times. A friend is coming by later to post it for me. Thanks
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Gayle Garcia
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #16 - on: 11.07.2012 at 18:34 [UT+1] »Quote from blombido on 11.07.2012 at 18:12 [UT+1]:
Quote from Domus on 11.07.2012 at 18:00 [UT+1]:
Quote from blombido on 11.07.2012 at 14:56 [UT+1]:
Wrong board darling. Try the post my chart one.
Some 'mad' buggers there might send you bonkers with their dubious notions as to the Horoscopy of
unfortunate Neural Circuitry. Or you may get lucky!
The anunnaki must disturb their dreams too often and their impaired link to our ancient progenitors prevents a proper
practice of the art. Perhaps there is an astrological indicator for this, for I cannot see any other explanation for theunfortunate arrangement you describe. A poorly aspectedperhaps?

E

Apparently it's got something to do with leaving school early, a low IQ, and then running into a shady character who entices you into, at
an impressionable stage in ones Cognitive and Moral Development, an Occult bookstore.
Not sure about Mars, this symbolises how we assert ourselves and go after what our Sun wants or aspires to.
Have you got a firmer hypothesis to support the bringing in of the God of War?

Actually I am taking online courses now. But did have dificulty in primary school not for IQ but relating more to
my EQ (emotional Quota).
No I don't have a firmer hypothesis to support the bring of the God of War?

. You're Hilarious!!

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blombido

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #17 - on: 11.07.2012 at 19:00 [UT+1] »Quote from Domus on 11.07.2012 at 18:23 [UT+1]:
A possible occurrence, but not one that applies in this case. Do you have any alternative hypotheses?
As you have said Mars certainly gives indication of how one asserts themselves. Maybe you can explain to me how your Mars placement
affects you and I can think of a logical reason.

I would have thought looking at Mercury might be productive. Mercury symbolises the thinking and language
processes, so they say. After the Sun and Moon of course, always need to factor in the big boys and girls before
opening our orifices.
My Virgo enables me to assert myself somewhat analytically, precisely, pragmatically, efficiently...it seeks results
for a Sun that demands sanctuary, in theory.
I challenge you to come up with a logical reason for the veracity or lack of here, potentially a Nobel prize
waiting if you can!
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Gayle Garcia
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #18 - on: 11.07.2012 at 19:22 [UT+1] »I should have guessed you were a Virgo with all your criticizing me. But constructive criticisim is good.

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blombido

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #19 - on: 11.07.2012 at 19:33 [UT+1] »Quote from Gayle Garcia on 11.07.2012 at 19:22 [UT+1]:
I should have guessed you were a Virgo with all your criticizing me. But constructive criticisim is good.

NO, NO NO, NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo............
''I ought to have guessed you were a Virgo. Elements of my posts have led you to raise concerns about theplethora of spelling and grammatical errors. However, this has been constructive which is most welcome'.
BTW- Those who call me a Virgo go home in an Ambulance.
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Domus
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #20 - on: 11.07.2012 at 19:44 [UT+1] »Quote from blombido on 11.07.2012 at 19:00 [UT+1]:
Quote from Domus on 11.07.2012 at 18:23 [UT+1]:
A possible occurrence, but not one that applies in this case. Do you have any alternative hypotheses?
As you have said Mars certainly gives indication of how one asserts themselves. Maybe you can explain to me how yourMars placement affects you and I can think of a logical reason.

I would have thought looking at Mercury might be productive. Mercury symbolises the thinking and language processes, so they say. Afterthe Sun and Moon of course, always need to factor in the big boys and girls before opening our orifices.

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Gender:My Virgo enables me to assert myself somewhat analytically, precisely, pragmatically, efficiently...it seeks results for a Sun that demands
sanctuary, in theory.
I challenge you to come up with a logical reason for the veracity or lack of here, potentially a Nobel prize waiting if you can!

But then if it is as simple as you say, no question will ever truly be answered, for then knowledge will too muchdepend on who agrees with whom, and never be considered beyond it's partial supports and dichotomies. It
would be false in practice, because it cannot be true objectively, as opposite manifestations will never beconsidered in unity. Consider that genius itself might be the product of allowing one to rise above a process of
elimination and instead by induction create a new form of unity thus remedying the problem until the novelty is
assimilated successfully into the whole. So then while your Virgo asserts analytically, it's quite possible your sun
discriminates against information it finds unsuitable, yet had just recently argued the same misjudgement inothers, thus denying unity to take place for selfish reasons, but would it do so because it's moon compels it, or
would it do so because it denies the value of another Mercury placement in unity with your own? If all of these
are in agreement, then wouldn't the entire picture be too one-sided to be useful in determining veracity at all,or does your genius transcend even veracity itself? For an analytical person you must think yourself better
suited to answer these questions objectively, so by all means show that nobel prize yourself.
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Domus

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #21 - on: 11.07.2012 at 20:07 [UT+1] »Absolutely genius is that in essence, but then comes the question "how", and if one type of monkey reacts to
one thing as "no way", and another just imitates, while yet a third denies it happened, then how do you at all
arrive at something coherent? Isn't that the purpose of the art, or would you say this topic is devoid of
meaning for you as it's practitioner?
Quote from blombido on 11.07.2012 at 19:57 [UT+1]:
The idea that 'faulty' thinking is linked to Mercury is a convention embraced by astrologers for some time. Co-incidentally I just posted a

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Gender:youtube tete a tete a tete with Cochrane being one of them. He argues that the fact to date astrologers can't evidence any of theirconventions is because the conventions are inaccurate, or largely so.
What I would do to prove this hypothesis one way or the other is find 5,000 people with a weak Mercury and 5,000 with a weak Mars.
(Conventionally). They would need to be assessed for similar knowledge bases at the enrolment stage. Then expose them to a 3 hr lecture
on Mental Health and Horoscopy, then let them lose on the OP's quesrtion. Then evaluate who had applied the lesson more effectively.
Then we may have a better hypothesis, who knows?

Sure, if you can solve yet again the problem with a one-sided evaluation. Not to mention the design of theexperiment you proposed is usually reserved for faulty brand advertisement statistics and academic squabbles
on the taxpayer's dime.
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Gayle Garcia
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #22 - on: 11.07.2012 at 20:13 [UT+1] »oh sorry.

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Domus

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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #23 - on: 11.07.2012 at 20:30 [UT+1] »Quote from Gayle Garcia on 11.07.2012 at 20:13 [UT+1]:
oh sorry.

No need to be. For what? it's just something jumping topics and I bet blombido is having fun right now. Plus
we have gone a bit offtopic, I'll admit.

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Gayle Garcia
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Re: Astrology and Insanity« Reply #24 - on: 11.07.2012 at 20:45 [UT+1] »sorry or should it be
It's all too confusing!

sorry?

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