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Sun In Leo
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« on: 10.01.2013 at 15:32 [UT] »I just discovered recently that I have one. It's the Pluto/Neptune sextile and it points at Chiron.
I was reading that this is not uncommon and many people may have this Yod because of the slow movement ofthese planets.
Do you have a Yod and what have you learned about them?
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Akvelina Ostergaard

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Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #1 - on: 11.01.2013 at 01:45 [UT] »Mine is technically a boomerang (EmO n the apex) but it's that same N apex with the I q J. Mine is also
modified by my 1st house B sitting right on N. I'm honestly still trying to understand it. All I know is thatany significant aspect to it is going to bring about a crises that is going to knock me on my butt for months
until I figure out how to spring into action to fight for my rights. It's actually led me into activism at times.
I have read that learning to live with a yod is learning about timing. I guess you're supposed to plan actions
when the transit first touches on the first sextiled planet and wrap them up around the time the transit hits thesecond sextiled planet.
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Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #2 - on: 12.01.2013 at 13:04 [UT] »Quote from Akvelina Ostergaard on 11.01.2013 at 01:45 [UT]:

EmO n

N

IqJ

Mine is technically a boomerang (the apex) but it's that same
apex with the. Mine is also modified by my 1st housesitting right on. I'm honestly still trying to understand it. All I know is that any significant aspect to it is going to bring about acrises that is going to knock me on my butt for months until I figure out how to spring into action to fight for my rights. It's actually led
me into activism at times.

BN

I have read that learning to live with a yod is learning about timing. I guess you're supposed to plan actions when the transit first touches
on the first sextiled planet and wrap them up around the time the transit hits the second sextiled planet.

So, midp I/J=E=O (=B=N)..
A more challenging formation to Yod would be a T-Cross. There, the base planets oppose each other so their
midpoint which tries to balance the appex is actually a Magma, a boiling, unstable orb of dynamics.
In a Yod though, the base is between planets that work well but not as if their collaboaration was a second
nature (which happens in Grand Trines). A sextile needs a slight conscious efford to manifest its potentials.
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It's actually led me into activism at times.

That is I/J=E=O, isn't it? If you could resonate with at least two traits of each planet, you could get a
combination of 2^4 = 16 ways of approaching/resolving your boomerang..
Activism is one of those: (I'm picking 2 traits of the planets that work for me)
Neptune: idealism / delusion
Pluto: power / transformationMars: violence / action
Uranus : rebellion / awakening
The non-highlighted could manifest in (say) political journalism? There are too many ways to work around aboomerang, all it takes is to find what fits you most and how easily it could be in your daily routine..
Lena
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Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #3 - on: 13.01.2013 at 04:21 [UT] »Hi Lena...
Noted your mention of the T-square being viewable as a type of Yod.
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Gender:I've spent some time just listing up all different types of Yods (a couple of dozen actually when mixing
majors/minors in a chart graphic). The smallest base line I've seen in real life is 36 degrees (apexing at the160-160 point).
As for the biggest base line, iIn this process it felt appropriate to cut off use of the Yod label at a 90 degreebase (apexing at the 135-135 point). Beyond 90, the large triangles being formed (up thru the Grand Trine andbeyond) seem of a different species.

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Lena_
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Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #4 - on: 13.01.2013 at 10:13 [UT] »Quote from Krewster on 13.01.2013 at 04:21 [UT]:
Hi Lena...
Noted your mention of the T-square being viewable as a type of Yod.
I've spent some time just listing up all different types of Yods (a couple of dozen actually when mixing majors/minors in a chart graphic).
The smallest base line I've seen in real life is 36 degrees (apexing at the 160-160 point).
As for the biggest base line, iIn this process it felt appropriate to cut off use of the Yod label at a 90 degree base (apexing at the 135-135
point). Beyond 90, the large triangles being formed (up thru the Grand Trine and beyond) seem of a different species.

Hey Krewster,
Actually not quite,
I've posted something to that effect somewhere else but couldn't find it. I just did(http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1357425378/3#3) and here goes in a sum:I'm dealing with isometric shapes with a common thinking. When the base is 0, 60, 90, 120, 180.. etc., I can
see the base planets to function accordingly so their midpoint to cope with the appex. With a possible
exception of a grand trine where all dynamics are equal, I'm examining it that way in a case of a kite.
Just because a quincunx isn't much explained -at least I haven't found anything that *clicked* for me- I got to
try a different approach which pretty much gave me something I can rely on.
This way, what it seems to be a pattern is the quality of the aspect at the base line. I fully agree with you andthis is how:
A base line of a semisquare is 'behaving' totaly different to a sextile. So does a kite-like Yod where there is a
4th planet to mingle with the dynamic of the midpoint opposing (or conjuncting) the appex.
For a 36o base, I'd look for the 10th Harmonic for more info in the chart as there isn't much information onthat aspect.
Lena
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Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #5 - on: 14.01.2013 at 05:49 [UT] »Hi Lena,
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Gender:Thnx for putting so much meat on the table...(and sorry to Sun-in-Leo for being tangent to the topic),
One of the nice things about identifying and classifying all-available configs produceable by showing a mix ofminors/majors in the natal chart graphic is the release of the "Yod" label from just meaning the classic Yod(which as you know has limited attempts to grock what a Yod is by focus on only the nature of the 60 base andmatching 150 lines to the apex).
Your other post referenced "isometric shapes" and my quick net search didn't come up w a clear definition (e.g.,"triangle"). But I can see from your other post that you are focusing only on triangles whose base points are
equidistant from the, therefore, apex. There are many (e.g., 51-154-154, 40-160-160, 36-160-160, and myleast favorite the 90-135-135 called a QuadraYod -got a better name? produces no end of trouble, natally,
synastrically and by transit e.g., if you have any square natally then just wait for any planet to hit the 135apex).
But your approach doesn't seem to distinguish (for categorization purposes) betw triangles that are "w/in thehorizon" and those "beyond the horizon" (if you know what I mean...not the chart horizon but just any 180
degree line), whereas I'm feeling that separately categorizing triangles falling only w/in that line from thosefalling on both sides of that line can add value to the effort to extract the abstract meanings of configs (e.g., asa start, all planets from a triangle w/in the horizon "come at you" from a single general direction whereas thenative can never get that self vs. config perspective from triangles made of planets coming at the native fromall sides.
Thus, I am oriented to view that Yods are a subcategory of these bigger-than-the-horizon triangles and that thebiggest is the QuadraYod (since after the 90 anyway, there's only 103 and 108 aspects before getting to 120
regarding which you posts imply agreement that the essence of what a Yod is has somehow been lost due tothe equidistance of all points). I count about 20 of these Yods (when including fusion Yods which are notexact-orbed of course but still w/in a couple of degrees).
Finally, you commented on the relative absence of info re the 36 aspect and I note its easier than you think.
Just cut what you know about the 72 in half (as you would when interpreting the 60 as a child of the 120). It
helps of course to tweak your aspect set to show the 36's in all your friends and you will see all sorts ofcorroboration (e.g., Sun-Jup brings career success even if Sun is non-aspected by majors; Sat-Merc brings loveof details, neatness and longer than average periods of concentration even if Merc is otherwise unaspected).
Lemme know if you want to PM re any of these fun issues or start a different thread.

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Lena_Ex Member

Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #6 - on: 14.01.2013 at 15:27 [UT] »Quote from Krewster on 14.01.2013 at 05:49 [UT]:

Hi Lena,
Thnx for putting so much meat on the table...(and sorry to Sun-in-Leo for being tangent to the topic),
One of the nice things about identifying and classifying all-available configs produceable by showing a mix of minors/majors in the natal
chart graphic is the release of the "Yod" label from just meaning the classic Yod (which as you know has limited attempts to grock what a
Yod is by focus on only the nature of the 60 base and matching 150 lines to the apex).
Your other post referenced "isometric shapes" and my quick net search didn't come up w a clear definition (e.g., "triangle"). But I can see
from your other post that you are focusing only on triangles whose base points are equidistant from the, therefore, apex. There are many(e.g., 51-154-154, 40-160-160, 36-160-160, and my least favorite the 90-135-135 called a QuadraYod -got a better name? produces noend of trouble, natally, synastrically and by transit e.g., if you have any square natally then just wait for any planet to hit the 135 apex).

You are right about the word. Sorry, a lot of times I get lost in translating. What I should have written instead
is 'symmetrical shapes'. That doesn't include just triangles but also kites, envelopes, double Yods, grandsquares, pentagons, hexagons etc. Staying to the most common figures, Grand Trines and Squares are selfexplained as there are simultaneously 3 and 4 appex. respectively.
There is no actuall restriction in the base aspect just a general idea: the midpoint of the base opposes or
conjuncts the appex.
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But your approach doesn't seem to distinguish (for categorization purposes) betw triangles that are "w/in the horizon" and those "beyond
the horizon" (if you know what I mean...not the chart horizon but just any 180 degree line), whereas I'm feeling that separately
categorizing triangles falling only w/in that line from those falling on both sides of that line can add value to the effort to extract theabstract meanings of configs (e.g., as a start, all planets from a triangle w/in the horizon "come at you" from a single general direction
whereas the native can never get that self vs. config perspective from triangles made of planets coming at the native from all sides.
Thus, I am oriented to view that Yods are a subcategory of these bigger-than-the-horizon triangles and that the biggest is the QuadraYod(since after the 90 anyway, there's only 103 and 108 aspects before getting to 120 regarding which you posts imply agreement that theessence of what a Yod is has somehow been lost due to the equidistance of all points). I count about 20 of these Yods (when including
fusion Yods which are not exact-orbed of course but still w/in a couple of degrees).

Correct. When the midpoint conjuncts the appex, means the planets are all in one hemisphere. I do that inpurpose because in a t-square for example, when the base aspect is <180 (or just not =180), the appex could
be in either hemisphere in relation to the base like 92-178-92 or 89-178-89.
You have a point about the 'energy' not crossing the center of the chart. But, as a natal sextile promises a Yodby transit, a symmetrical triangle in one hemisphere promises a kite by transit... no?
Isn't that giving a different prespective to say, a 45-90-45?
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Finally, you commented on the relative absence of info re the 36 aspect and I note its easier than you think. Just cut what you know
about the 72 in half (as you would when interpreting the 60 as a child of the 120). It helps of course to tweak your aspect set to show the
36's in all your friends and you will see all sorts of corroboration (e.g., Sun-Jup brings career success even if Sun is non-aspected bymajors; Sat-Merc brings love of details, neatness and longer than average periods of concentration even if Merc is otherwise unaspected).

To be honest I don't know (=read much about and seen the meaning comming true in a chart) the dynamic of a72. What I've noticed though is in Harmonics, H5 is said to be related to creativity..
Exploring more, trying not to discriminate aspects by the roundness of the degrees or the integrity of thealiquot of the circle ( H3 =360/3, H5=360/5 etc), I've concluded that what won't let you miss a symmetricalshape is midpoints.
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Lemme know if you want to PM re any of these fun issues or start a different thread.

I'll follow your lead.
Lena
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« Reply #7 - on: 14.01.2013 at 19:22 [UT] »Quote from Lena_ on 12.01.2013 at 13:04 [UT]:

I/J=E=O (=B=N)..

So, midp

A more challenging formation to Yod would be a T-Cross. There, the base planets oppose each other so their midpoint which tries tobalance the appex is actually a Magma, a boiling, unstable orb of dynamics.
In a Yod though, the base is between planets that work well but not as if their collaboaration was a second nature (which happens in Grand
Trines). A sextile needs a slight conscious efford to manifest its potentials.
Quote:
It's actually led me into activism at times.

That isI/J=E=O, isn't it? If you could resonate with at least two traits of each planet, you could get a combination of 2^4 = 16 waysof approaching/resolving your boomerang..
Activism is one of those: (I'm picking 2 traits of the planets that work for me)
Neptune: idealism / delusion
Pluto : power / transformation
Mars : violence / action
Uranus : rebellion / awakening
The non-highlighted could manifest in (say) political journalism? There are too many ways to work around a boomerang, all it takes is tofind what fits you most and how easily it could be in your daily routine..
Lena
2centsHi Lena, do you mean a T-Cross attached to a yod would be more challenging, or just any T-Cross formation in
general? I ask because I actually have a T-Cross attached to that yod. The opposition base is the yod's apex
(BmN) and that EmO midpoint! I get what you are saying though...that would mean D, the midpoint to the
T-Cross, would act as a boiling, unstable orb of dynamics. Due to its connection with my yod it seems it could
also be an alternate resolution to my yod/boomerang. Sorry if this is confusing, my chart has quite a bit goingon, with a few outlets to that boomerang.
That does also make sense that a T-Cross would be more challenging than a yod due to the aspect between
base planets.
That's also really helpful with breaking down the planets into keywords and seeing how they could fit together
as a resolution! I probably personally won't go the route of political journalism, but it did resonate with mesomehow. I think the idea of political journalism is close to what I could do to work that boomerang and I justhaven't figured it out quite yet.
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Lena_Ex Member

Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #8 - on: 14.01.2013 at 23:07 [UT] »Quote from Akvelina Ostergaard on 14.01.2013 at 19:22 [UT]:
Hi Lena, do you mean a T-Cross attached to a yod would be more challenging, or just any T-Cross formation in general? I ask because I
actually have a T-Cross attached to that yod. The opposition base is the yod's apex () and that
midpoint! I get what you aresaying though...that would mean

BmN
EmO
D, the midpoint to the T-Cross, would act as a boiling, unstable orb of dynamics. Due to its connection

with my yod it seems it could also be an alternate resolution to my yod/boomerang. Sorry if this is confusing, my chart has quite a bit
going on, with a few outlets to that boomerang.

It's not confusing, nothing to worry about
num=1354812988/0)(http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?

Any T-Square formation in general. What I think is important though is to check first is all 3 (or more?) planetsthat form the T-Square are in the same 'half' of the cycle or not (add the aspects and if it sums <180, then you
have a t-s in the same 'half'). That I believe to be important as it manifests mainly via transits since it doesn't'sweep' the center of the chart.

You havea 30-60-30 (Ir (EmO) rJ) anda 150-60-150 (Is (BmN) sJ), correct?
In addition, there isa 90-180-90 ( (EmO) oDo (BmN).. is that right?
How I see it, 30-60-30 is an additional formation to the Yod. When the Yod is triggered and while the 30-60-30
is also used (meaning not just to use the sextile), it helps a great deal to resolve with the 'attacked' appex(BmN). Something like an extra ammunition.
But as the opposition is the base of a t-square, using that extra ammunition isn't really optional rather
mandatory for the appex of the t-s to be resolved.
With Chiron and Moon in the picture, especially in 1st, it is easy to say that the activism as a possible outlet
isn't much about environment as trees and plants but more about animals and, how I see it, people.
Quote:
That does also make sense that a T-Cross would be more challenging than a yod due to the aspect between base planets.
That's also really helpful with breaking down the planets into keywords and seeing how they could fit together as a resolution! I probably
personally won't go the route of political journalism, but it did resonate with me somehow. I think the idea of political journalism is close
to what I could do to work that boomerang and I just haven't figured it out quite yet.

What I do about that, is checking periods when natal planets were directly hardly triggered (prefferably by an
opposition) and try to remember the feeling apart from the area of interest.
As a side note, I like to keep an eye on the Houses/Signs the planets are for understanding their connection.
There could be a square between planets that occupy Houses that are 'friendly' to each other say 1st/3rd. Or
planets to be in doublicated/intercepted Houses/Signs..
Lena
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Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #9 - on: 15.01.2013 at 21:09 [UT] »Quote from Sun In Leo on 10.01.2013 at 15:32 [UT]:
I just discovered recently that I have one. It's the Pluto/Neptune sextile and it points at Chiron.
I was reading that this is not uncommon and many people may have this Yod because of the slow movement of these planets.

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Do you have a Yod and what have you learned about them?

just wait for a slow planet transit to cross that apex planet ... that will tell you if its a "real" yod. An activatedyod acts like a big hinge point turning point in life
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Lena_Ex Member

Re: Anyone else have a Yod pointing at Chiron?
« Reply #10 - on: 16.01.2013 at 09:51 [UT] »Quote from Lena_ on 14.01.2013 at 23:07 [UT]:
Quote from Akvelina Ostergaard on 14.01.2013 at 19:22 [UT]:
Hi Lena, do you mean a T-Cross attached to a yod would be more challenging, or just any T-Cross formation in general? I

BmN) and that EmO
D, the midpoint to the T-Cross, would act as a boiling,

ask because I actually have a T-Cross attached to that yod. The opposition base is the yod's apex (midpoint! I get what you are saying though...that would mean

unstable orb of dynamics. Due to its connection with my yod it seems it could also be an alternate resolution to myyod/boomerang. Sorry if this is confusing, my chart has quite a bit going on, with a few outlets to that boomerang.

It's not confusing, nothing to worry about(http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1354812988/0)

Any T-Square formation in general. What I think is important though is to check first if all 3 (or more?) planets that form the T-Square
are in the same 'half' of the cycle or not (add the aspects and if it sums <180, then you have a t-s in the same 'half') Edited:(add the aspects and if it sums <360, then you have a t-s in the same 'half'). That I believe to be important as it manifests mainly via transits since it doesn't 'sweep' the center of the chart.

You have

Ir (EmO) rJ) andIs (BmN) sJ), correct?

a 30-60-30 (a 150-60-150 (In addition, there isa 90-180-90 ( (EmO) oDo (BmN).. is that right?

How I see it, 30-60-30 is an additional formation to the Yod. When the Yod is triggered and while the 30-60-30 is also used (meaning not

BmN

just to use the sextile), it helps a great deal to resolve with the 'attacked' appex (). Something like an extra ammunition.
But as the opposition is the base of a t-square, using that extra ammunition isn't really optional rather mandatory for the appex of the t-s
to be resolved.
With Chiron and Moon in the picture, especially in 1st, it is easy to say that the activism as a possible outlet isn't much about environment
as trees and plants but more about animals and, how I see it, people.
Quote:
That does also make sense that a T-Cross would be more challenging than a yod due to the aspect between base planets.
That's also really helpful with breaking down the planets into keywords and seeing how they could fit together as a
resolution! I probably personally won't go the route of political journalism, but it did resonate with me somehow. I think
the idea of political journalism is close to what I could do to work that boomerang and I just haven't figured it out quite
yet.

What I do about that, is checking periods when natal planets were directly hardly triggered (prefferably by an opposition) and try toremember the feeling apart from the area of interest.
As a side note, I like to keep an eye on the Houses/Signs the planets are for understanding their connection. There could be a square
between planets that occupy Houses that are 'friendly' to each other say 1st/3rd. Or planets to be in doublicated/interceptedHouses/Signs..
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DB

N

With
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and
, providing I'm usings traits of planets that *click* for me, extra keywords pop-up in myhead like 'abuse' and 'female'.. I wonder, how would you think of activism towards abuse?

Lena

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Akvelina Ostergaard

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« Reply #11 - on: 24.01.2013 at 23:11 [UT] »Hi Lena,It's funny you mention that because I was actually involved in visibility of the problem of domestic violence. I
eventually left the entire realm for a multitude of reasons with no implication of going back into it, but it's
funny how that does show up in my chart.
I've noticed the keywords relating to D that apply to what I do these days has to do with "material abundance"($, finances, resources) and "sensory" (food especially). I'll have to figure out how those all tie in.
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