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Alan Cline
MemberBreaking An Addiction Pattern« on: 26.12.2014 at 14:50 [UT] »I have an addiction to Tobacco and would like to break it . Like many who wish to break free from a bad habit
the New Year is often thought of as a good time to start . In my case given my current chart structure i am a
bit uneasy in regards to the Transits of Neptune , Uranus and Saturn into the near future . Any insights from atiming perspective on how to go about breaking this habit are appreciated .
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #1 - on: 26.12.2014 at 15:13 [UT] »an easy way is to look at new moons that activate the asc, the 6th house or the 6th/asc rulers because theseshow times when we find it easy to motivate changes such as these.

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Alan Cline
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #2 - on: 26.12.2014 at 16:28 [UT] »Quote from Nikki. on 26.12.2014 at 15:13 [UT]:an easy way is to look at new moons that activate the asc, the 6th house or the 6th/asc rulers because these show times when we find it
easy to motivate changes such as these.

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Thanks for the suggestion . I will have to do some homework in that area .

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #3 - on: 26.12.2014 at 17:06 [UT] »How much did you spend on tobacco in 2014......and how might someone you love have benefitted from thatmoney + the knowledge that you are likely to live longer if you stop smoking?

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Alan Cline
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #4 - on: 27.12.2014 at 00:47 [UT] »Quote from EJ53-2 on 26.12.2014 at 17:06 [UT]:
How much did you spend on tobacco in 2014......and how might someone you love have benefitted from that money + the knowledge thatyou are likely to live longer if you stop smoking?

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All valid questions but they don't deal with the orginal question i asked in regards to timing chnage .

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #5 - on: 27.12.2014 at 00:47 [UT] »Looking through your major/minor aspects for super-tight-orbed ones that may be most supportive of that“getting-tight-in-the-lungs-may-achieve-something” kind of feeling (my take anyway), immediately noticeable is
your:Posts: 1731
Gender:-2 min orbed Moon-Merc (in the 13th harmonic); and your-1.08 orbed Merc 45 Uran; and your-2.19 orbed Moon 90 Uran.
On the former, “testing limits and pushing beyond” is a softly-concluded “keyword” and so try applying similar
concepts to your Moon-Merc relationship and then note T-Pluto has been triangulating that (when it lies betw
12.30-ish and 13.30-ish Cap) into a __________ triangle (fill in the blank with whatever name you want to giveto the aspect produced by dividing 360 by 13; the “13th H” is so too dry for my taste). So ? if you manage
quitting now, it might mean that a Uranian _____ influence to your Moon-Merc relationship gives you power toskip steps in leaping over hurdles...
lemme know later please.
On the latter two, you might check the ephemeris for when next a heavy transit will bridge the orb gap to sew
up the leaky 135 orb and so non-existant natal Moon 135 Merc (bec those might be harder times to achieve
quitting).

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Linda Harris
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #6 - on: 27.12.2014 at 01:47 [UT] »Alan,This post:

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #3 - on: Yesterday at 17:06 [UT+0] » How much did you spend on tobacco in 2014......and how
might someone you love have benefitted from that money + the knowledge that you are likely to live longer if
you stop smoking"Was written (in all probability) to try to get you to see the issue from a different perspective. YOu
are trying to release yourself from responsibility by finding a good "time" to stop smoking....as though in thepast 40 years or so there haven't been good or great transits that would have served this purpose.
As a thoughtful human being, you need to find a REASON to stop. This post was probably (I'm not a psychic)
written to give you pause to expand your reasoning about the act of smoking. I know it must be horrifying tothink of how much money you spent on smoking in the last 40-50 years.....and everyone who is addicted tobehaviors which cost them money has the same fact to face......but it IS a factor.
And of course, health.
You have the power to stop smoking.
YOu also have a powerful habit forming predisposition.
So basically, you have to make up your mind ......your mind....to just do it. No matter how or what it means.
Unfortunately, there is no good time to STOP addictions. It's physical. And it's uncomfortable and depressing
to stop. But there's a lot of help available if you avail yourself of these.
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Rhythm9

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #7 - on: 27.12.2014 at 05:21 [UT] »Alan, I don't have the exact timing, but transit wise, I see two factors that might help.
Firstly, Sag rules your twelfth house cusp of addiction, and your Jupiter return is coming next year. Jupiter in
Leo also rules your ascendant, so this return can open up to positive attitudes toward your body / psyche andPosts: 826

in relation to health.
Saturn will also soon enter your twelfth house, so its knocking on the door of this subject for you, and in
Sagittarius, Saturn can also blend discipline with your own philosophy of life.
With your natal Moon in Pisces, I wonder if Piscean qualities like meditation and hypnosis might be of help foryou. Best of luck to you

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EJ53-2Ex Member

Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #8 - on: 27.12.2014 at 07:14 [UT] »Quote from Linda Harris on 27.12.2014 at 01:47 [UT]:....As a thoughtful human being, you need to find a REASON to stop. EJ's reply 3 was probably (I'm not a psychic) written to give youpause to expand your reasoning about the act of smoking.

You are indeed correct about the reason for my reply 3, Lainie.
I stopped smoking 20 years ago, after some 3 years of "trying to do so". Hence, I might have been able to help
AC to stop NOW.....if he had grasped the (astrological?) opportunity to "hear rather than growl".
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #9 - on: 27.12.2014 at 07:24 [UT] »Quote from Alan Cline on 27.12.2014 at 00:47 [UT]:
Quote from EJ53-2 on 26.12.2014 at 17:06 [UT]:
How much did you spend on tobacco in 2014......and how might someone you love have benefitted from that money + the
knowledge that you are likely to live longer if you stop smoking?

All valid questions but they don't deal with the orginal question i asked in regards to timing chnage .

And a valid response (or controller's growl) - but it will not help you to stop smoking.
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #10 - on: 27.12.2014 at 07:48 [UT] »Quote from Alan Cline on 27.12.2014 at 00:47 [UT]:
Quote from EJ53-2 on 26.12.2014 at 17:06 [UT]:
How much did you spend on tobacco in 2014......and how might someone you love have benefitted from that money + the
knowledge that you are likely to live longer if you stop smoking?

All valid questions but they don't deal with the orginal question i asked in regards to timing chnage .

Your natal Chiron in Virgo creates a natural inclination to "try to fix, correct, change, control and/or get rid of
undesirable things". (Chiron - Healing Body and Soul, by Martin Lass.)
Turanus and Tpluto are currently contacting Nchiron - NOW providing unexpected opportunities fortransformation......For example, by going "off-topic" and/or attempting to listen rather than control.
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #11 - on: 27.12.2014 at 08:49 [UT] »Increase Dopamine levels when you feel a need to smoke. How you do this is your choice.
The problem with looking for a timing to stop is that the nervous system is reacting to the nicotine as it has
receptors for this substance and therefor part of you. The regular intake of Nicotine, increases these receptors
and decreases the natural flow of other chemicals which is part of the addiction process. You need to cut down
slowly and surely, giving way to the goal you have set. Uranus is linked with the intake of nicotine.,so when you
feel the need to smoke more urgent is the time to combat it, but it is better to set a long term goal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_agonist
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Friesiangal
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #12 - on: 27.12.2014 at 10:24 [UT] »Quote from Bandit on 27.12.2014 at 08:49 [UT]:
Uranus is linked with the intake of nicotine

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Gender:Can I ask where/how you discovered this?
I checked through Google, yet could find no worthy reliable source.
Tobacco itself was assigned to Mars (Culpeper), which could also explain 'the lighting up' ignition. Any addictive
tendency has always found the relationship with Neptune, for which 'going up in smoke'would seem relevant.
There was also a source of Saturn for the 'tobacco leaf' in general. Apparently it has good healing qualities.
Just curious.

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #13 - on: 27.12.2014 at 10:56 [UT] »Neptune/ moon... Definitely hypnosis...

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #14 - on: 27.12.2014 at 11:21 [UT] »Quote from Friesiangal on 27.12.2014 at 10:24 [UT]:
Quote from Bandit on 27.12.2014 at 08:49 [UT]:
Uranus is linked with the intake of nicotine

Can I ask where/how you discovered this?
I checked through Google, yet could find no worthy reliable source.
Tobacco itself was assigned to Mars (Culpeper), which could also explain 'the lighting up' ignition. Any addictive tendency has always found
the relationship with Neptune, for which 'going up in smoke'would seem relevant. There was also a source of Saturn for the 'tobacco leaf'in general. Apparently it has good healing qualities.
Just curious.

This understanding is paralleled by my musings of Mercury and its function as the messenger of light. The dual
nature of twisting around the staff to reach the disc with wings, is synonymous with the rising of kundilini andthe ascension of the light mind of realization.
The two branches of nerves, Parasympathetic and sympathetic are such that they are the twisting around thestaff, or the backbone.
The parasympathetic nerves are connected to nurturing and impregnation while the sympathetic nerves areconnected to fight or flight.
If we take these musings further then the planetary forces of Neptune and Uranus can be overlaid.
These two nerve systems seek homeostasis, which is balance, so if one of these is overly active, the other tries
to compensate by inducing chemical secretion. Balance is only achievable if the being is acting with accordanceof inner and outer realities matching which is governed by thought process and memory and very rarely attains
this stance.
I can see that the planet Mars is connected, as it is joined with the fight and flight of the sympathetic response.
The addictive nature is caused by the external consumption of nicotine which activates the nicotinic receptors
and the parasympathetic nerves try to balance the forces with secretions of chemicals itself. The overproduction of these chemicals by the parasympathetic nervous system is the Neptune which is linked with theend result of addiction. (add diction of bodily function)
People tend to smoke more under stress, which is similar to the expression of Uranus and not under the dream
like state induced by Neptune.
Again it is not the symptom of the manifestation but its hidden cause which must be understood.
One can parallel the shamanic practice of the native tribes in the Amazon as using Tobacco for inducing statesof trance.
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Linda Harris

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #15 - on: 28.12.2014 at 01:02 [UT] »But.....you can poison yourself for years and even the surgeon general's WARNING on each pack of cigarettes issomething you can totally DENY....so therefore, untimately, this as all addictions has Neptune as its major
component.
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If anyone who smokes actually studied the physiological connections and neurological reactions in the body,as Bandit describes, I doubt they would smoke one day after they understood what those substances were
doing to them. And if they still did smoke, well.....it would just be more proof of Neptunian denial.
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BanditEx Member

Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #16 - on: 28.12.2014 at 09:32 [UT] »I would suggest that the emotional body is the responsible part in the on going addiction which would also
hold the denial aspect.

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Linda Harris

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #17 - on: 30.12.2014 at 00:03 [UT] »Denial is a trick your mind plays on you to help you rationalize any particular behavior or point of view you
have. If Neptune is powerful in the chart it just adds a lot of fuel to the process and makes it more dangerous.
We all rationalize, but people with a balanced chart will also use logic and reason and information to help themmake decisions in their lives.
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Alan Cline
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #18 - on: 30.12.2014 at 00:14 [UT] »Quote from Alan Cline on 26.12.2014 at 14:50 [UT]:
I have an addiction to Tobacco and would like to break it . Like many who wish to break free from a bad habit the New Year is often
thought of as a good time to start . In my case given my current chart structure i am a bit uneasy in regards to the Transits of Neptune ,Uranus and Saturn into the near future . Any insights from a timing perspective on how to go about breaking this habit are appreciated .

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A ton of responses and i appreciate all of them .. i do realize it's a complex issue ( addictions ) and i have takensome steps to rectify such as smoking less before diving completly off the cliff...
Some of the astrological references i am simply not astute enough to comphrend but i am paying attention to
the transits of Uranus , Neptune and the Moon in particular ...
And , i will update in the future...
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #19 - on: 01.01.2015 at 08:46 [UT] »Quote from Linda Harris on 28.12.2014 at 01:02 [UT]:
But.....you can poison yourself for years and even the surgeon general's WARNING on each pack of cigarettes is something you can totally
DENY....so therefore, untimately, this as all addictions has Neptune as its major component.
If anyone who smokes actually studied the physiological connections and neurological reactions in the body,

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Gender:as Bandit describes, I doubt they would smoke one day after they understood what those substances were doing to them. And if they still
did smoke, well.....it would just be more proof of Neptunian denial.
Lainie

You can put the most Godawful, frightening images on a pack of cigarettes, and, that's still not going to arrest
the gambler that sits inside all of us. It's as useless as showing a photo album full of deadly car crashes to try
and deter someone from giving up that potentially self-destructive addiction. "Maybe I'll be lucky, it won't
happen to me!"I fully ascribe to tobacco being assigned to Neptune, ruler of all our great escapes from life, destructive or not
destructive!
I knew I could never go cold turkey with tobacco, and I cut down to smoking halves, 3 years ago, then tothirds, and now? A couple puffs here, a couple puffs there! Down to 4 packs a week! And that's where it may
end, and go no further but it's certainly better than 2 packs a day!
Big problem is what do you do with your fidgety hands when you quit? Grab for some candy, grab for somefruit, grab for potato chips. My restless Gemini Asc. doesn't help me one bit, nor my restless Mars in Virgo.
And my Dad quit after 50 years of smoking (and at age 96 when he died he never suffered any lung problems)and gained 50 pounds after quitting, so did my sister. That's what gives me the biggest scare, transferring the
addiction!
The Indians of South America (where tobacco originated) drank their tobacco in tea form, now there's an idea!
At least the smoke isn't getting into your lungs! And your getting your dose of Neptune!

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Alan Cline
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #20 - on: 05.01.2015 at 03:58 [UT] »I did say that i would update my approach to breaking the addictive behavior ...
Not wishing to wait till the next New Moon phase in Jan. and not seeing a best time to start i chose Jan. 1 as astart date as do many for obvious reasons . What that specifically meant was that was the day i begin to ween
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the personality of tobacco by reducing the amount used .
On Jan . 4 during the Full Moon cycle i chose to make the final break and as of today... Jan. 5 2015 no longer
use tobacco . We will have to see how things play out of course but i see no reason why the more postive
aspects of the various transiting planets can not be utilized in a constructive way to deal with my choices ..

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Rhythm9

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #21 - on: 05.01.2015 at 20:08 [UT] »No matter the outcome Alan, I think its wonderful that you had the inner readiness to take this step. Best ofliberation and vitality to you.

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #22 - on: 05.01.2015 at 21:42 [UT] »Quote from Alan Cline on 26.12.2014 at 14:50 [UT]:
I have an addiction to Tobacco and would like to break it . Like many who wish to break free from a bad habit the New Year is often
thought of as a good time to start . In my case given my current chart structure i am a bit uneasy in regards to the Transits of Neptune ,Uranus and Saturn into the near future . Any insights from a timing perspective on how to go about breaking this habit are appreciated .

Look to Jupiter- good fortune and health. Not only do you have a strong conjunction in your natal chart
between EF- you also have transit jupiter conjunct. What does this say? Act now. Your actions are tied very
directly into your health and own good fortune. When you say "when is a good time to start quitting"...that is
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Gender:your addiction trying to buy more time. Now is a good time to start- is the only correct answer. Of course
your natal lB would be uneasy- It's likely afraid the rest of your more logical parts will forget that it has alarge necessity to express itself in creative ways. Find something else to do with your hands. Start a hobby, or
artistic endeavor, anything something that will give your lB freedom to creatively express itself in a positive
way or you will be likely to replace this addiction with another.

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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #23 - on: 05.01.2015 at 21:54 [UT] »Quote from Alan Cline on 05.01.2015 at 03:58 [UT]:
I did say that i would update my approach to breaking the addictive behavior ...
Not wishing to wait till the next New Moon phase in Jan. and not seeing a best time to start i chose Jan. 1 as a start date as do many for
obvious reasons . What that specifically meant was that was the day i begin to ween the personality of tobacco by reducing the amountused .
On Jan . 4 during the Full Moon cycle i chose to make the final break and as of today... Jan. 5 2015 no longer use tobacco . We will haveto see how things play out of course but i see no reason why the more postive aspects of the various transiting planets can not be utilized
in a constructive way to deal with my choices ..

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Gender:A big step is also choosing to think differently about it. As tobacco addicts we tend to think of the better
qualities of tobacco. It's relaxing. It's soothing. It's tasty....as EJ53 already pointed out, it's important tochange your outlook as well. It's damaging to the body. It zaps endurance and reduces longevity. It's costly
and reduces our budget for entertainment, fun, culture; it reduces our experience. It rules our thoughts, ourday is planned around it. If I get up fifteen minutes earlier I can have time before work to smoke. . . .forexample. You have quite a few planets in cancer. You may need to redirect and find other ways of dealing withyour feelings. I do not speak from non-experience. I have mars in pisces in the 8th house. We are known tobe highly creative individuals; or equally we are known to be self-destructive individuals. Look to Pluto andtransits. Pluto transits your 1st house. Great potential in the area of rebirth. As with natal influence, there isalways choice. Choose rebirth over destruction. Destruction of a previous way of life can induce a positive
influence of pluto. Pluto doesn't only destroy what is good. It holds the potential to eliminate what is notserving us well.
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Alan Cline
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Re: Breaking An Addiction Pattern« Reply #24 - on: 06.01.2015 at 06:40 [UT] »A special thanks to rhythm9 for the encouragement . Especially nice coming from someone you don't know
personally...
And to truegem for the reminders related to the 8th and 1st houses in particular . I am always a lttle cautious
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when Jupiter by transit touches off the Jupt. - Mars conj. in the 8th . Sometimes , it has been a gentle rumble
in my life just before the shift... and other times it's been more like a Krakatoa eruption...

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