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EyesisEx MemberOrbs~ transitions and progressions« on: 07.10.2010 at 15:37 [UT+1] »What are the typical orb allowances between transits or progressions and the natal chart?
Also what orbs should be used in synastry? Just curious....

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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #1 - on: 07.10.2010 at 18:58 [UT+1] »A degree is used for transits, I don't know much about progressions, so I don't know what orb to use for them.
The natal chart is kinda iffy. When I look at someone else's chart and see a degree trine or an 8 degree
opposition or square, I don't count that. But as for myself, I use orbs that are just as big, mainly because I
don't have a whole lot of aspects in my chart to begin, despite having two major configurations. However, if Iuse smaller orbs, I still have a mutable t square, but no air grand trine.
As for synastry, I think a 3 degree orb is used. Not sure why that is though.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #2 - on: 07.10.2010 at 20:29 [UT+1] »Yes that makes sense. I had been asked to look at a couple of synastry charts and wanted to make sure I wasn't
being presumptious. It's a shame this site doesn't have an aspect grid for synastry.
I guess I would use maybe two degrees for progression to natal.. I tried to reduce the orbs for my natal, butsomething went wonky...
then again I am not a computer whiz...
Thanks SA
Hope you had a great birthday...
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #3 - on: 07.10.2010 at 21:04 [UT+1] »In the extended chart selection, there's a box which say reduce-increase orbs 0-150. Type in the number you
want, say 75 & it should work.
And yes I had a great birthday.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #4 - on: 07.10.2010 at 21:54 [UT+1] »Hey Eyesis,
Transits of interior planets = about 2/3 degrees applying, so Sun through Mars get to your chart a day or two
before the actual transit.
Transits of outer planets = about 5/8 degrees applying, so Jupiter through Pluto get to your chart a couple ofyears and more a before actual transit.
Clusters of natals in the "aspect of the orb transiting" will determine how much closer or wider the orb shouldbe, in my opinion. If you've got a lot of natals involved with a long-term outer planet transit, and those natals
are aspected to other points in the chart, I'd expect the long-term orb.
I find the applying transit energy to be much more intense than the actual contact/aspect or separating transit,
so haven't particularly examined how far away a separating transit still has an affect. I'm usually recovering bythen.

Progressions: 2 degrees
Synastry: 2 degrees

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Ex Member« Reply #5 - on: 07.10.2010 at 23:39 [UT+1] »Quote from Eyesis on 07.10.2010 at 20:29 [UT+1]:
Yes that makes sense. I had been asked to look at a couple of synastry charts and wanted to make sure I wasn't being presumptious. It'sa shame this site doesn't have an aspect grid for synastry.
I guess I would use maybe two degrees for progression to natal.. I tried to reduce the orbs for my natal, but something went wonky...
then again I am not a computer whiz...
Thanks SA
Hope you had a great birthday...

aspect grid for synastry? They do. You download the pdf file. It looks like this... for instance:
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #6 - on: 08.10.2010 at 00:45 [UT+1] »Guahh!
Siriusly, I know your mathematicals shine more clearly than the rest of us!
Your avitar blinks, btw.
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Ex Member« Reply #7 - on: 08.10.2010 at 00:56 [UT+1] »Quote from MOIRASQUARED on 08.10.2010 at 00:45 [UT+1]:Guahh!
Siriusly, I know your mathematicals shine more clearly than the rest of us!
Your avitar blinks, btw.

blinks? Cool! I have some plutonian sun glasses if it blinks too brightly.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #8 - on: 08.10.2010 at 01:06 [UT+1] »Yeah, I count on those in times of Uranian brightness blinking in the void.
Thanks for everything you contribute to clear math/science, philosophy and humor in these astro-surf-boards!
Eyesis, is anything making sense? I know I've developed my own theories in and out of the text-books overtime.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #9 - on: 08.10.2010 at 11:56 [UT+1] »Moira,It's really a matter of degree.
If nothing else is going on in your life.... absolutely nothing ... and you get transit with a 10 degree orb, I think
you're gonna feel it. But if your life already has all kinds of fun and pains, you are probably too busy
emotionally, spiritually, physically, or mentally to even notice.
I take the astrodienst orbs down to 80% when I look seriously at a chart of any kind. Then when I want to see
what the big players are, I take it down to 30 %. Only a few aspects show up and these are going to besignificant even when the person is busy with other things.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #10 - on: 08.10.2010 at 13:13 [UT+1] »Thank you, I find this useful... Moira very useful esp. with appying aspects.. I tend to think that separating
aspect orbs would be less.
Sirius Rising~ good thoughts on taking orbs down.. and thanx for the pdf info..
I went to one site that had orbs so wide I could not take it seriously. I too like them a bit tight. I think thereason why so many do not "feel" transits or progressed is that they may be looking at these wider orbs..
Very Cool...
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #11 - on: 08.10.2010 at 20:23 [UT+1] »I usually use up to 2° for transits - 3° for GOIJ
Moira - it's funny you say that applying aspects feel more powerful to you. I have the opposite thing going on,
the waning aspects feel much more powerful to me.
I see aspects, especially the 'malefics', kind of like a storm; the build up for applying, the calm 'eye of thestorm' for when it's exact, and then the full fury for when it's waning.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #12 - on: 08.10.2010 at 20:57 [UT+1] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 08.10.2010 at 20:23 [UT+1]:
I usually use up to 2° for transits - 3° for

GOIJ

Moira - it's funny you say that applying aspects feel more powerful to you. I have the opposite thing going on, the waning aspects feelmuch more powerful to me.

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Gender:I see aspects, especially the 'malefics', kind of like a storm; the build up for applying, the calm 'eye of the storm' for when it's exact, andthen the full fury for when it's waning.

Hi PT,
I had attributed extremely traumatic events a few months after J crossed my ASC . I said that because J
didn't go over my ASC degree again and was not longer with 1deg orb of my ASC (it was approximately 2degree away at its worst). However, after the last hit of J over ASC, J did retrograde back within 1 degree
orb of my ASC for several months. In fact, J retrograded and arrived within 0o14' of my ASC before goingdirect. So when I mentioned that extreme traumatic events, J was applying toward my ASC, even thought itwas after the last direct hit.
I thought J crossing ASC with 1 deg orb, after 3 hits, ended Dec 31,2005, but it really ended Oct 30, 2006.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #13 - on: 08.10.2010 at 21:24 [UT+1] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 08.10.2010 at 20:23 [UT+1]:
I usually use up to 2° for transits - 3° forGOIJMoira - it's funny you say that applying aspects feel more powerful to you. I have the opposite thing going on, the waning aspects feelmuch more powerful to me.
I see aspects, especially the 'malefics', kind of like a storm; the build up for applying, the calm 'eye of the storm' for when it's exact, andthen the full fury for when it's waning.

Maybe because I'm a water-sign, with that Aries Moon ignited. I "feel" the transits moving in, and of course
watch them: that's my astrological interest ... aspects and transits. Yes, I agree about the "calm eye of thestorm" when exact, and I've stood in a couple of hurricane's eyes. Everything stops/stands still in that space.
I'm holding my breath on my theory now, as Pluto/Saturn are direct on my Grand Cross, after this panoply of2010 RX.
What I'm expecting is resolution of the issues of the transits, not more mayhem! But yes, it can work like ahurricane occasionally gathering as much force after the transit, as before.
Perhaps this gets us to the question of watching what the upcoming transits require, and if we've denied thepolite ingressing suggestions of the planets, we'll get our heads smacked on the waning out?
Is there an emoticon for "dhoozzhh"! Looks like a piece of lumber landing one one's head.

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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #14 - on: 09.10.2010 at 18:21 [UT+1] »Applying aspects seems to have a build up that crescendoes at the point of exact. For me whether the transit
effects linger into the separating depends on placement, which planets are involved. Penguin T., seems there issome individual factors in whether A/S is felt strongest.
I notice for myself, Lunar involvements have the most lingering effects.. Moira, I can relate to that AriesMoon...
General consensus seems to be 2* and 3* for the slower planets...
All these responses are fantastic.
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Ex Member« Reply #15 - on: 09.10.2010 at 18:38 [UT+1] »mathematically I am aware of the difference. Forgive me.... I just post this for the record.
If one considers the aspects to be a function of time, with the dependent variable being Orb(t), then the Orb(t)function has a negative derivative when 't' is such that Orb(t) is applying. And it has a positive derivative
otherwise... except when it is exact, when its derivative is zero.
The point is, not that the derivative is positive or negative... but that it changes.
Someday...this will enter into astrological analyses in this manner. ( And I'll save the discussion on 2ndderivatives.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #16 - on: 09.10.2010 at 19:03 [UT+1] »LOL excellent analysis.. Reminds me of Algebra functions... Love it. and makes sense... smiley with graduation
cap on head!!!
Penquin, I wonder if there is something in your chart that would show a possible astro reason for sensing theaspect when it separates? I also wonder how many others feel the effects the same way as you.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #17 - on: 10.10.2010 at 04:12 [UT+1] »Eyesis, good question to PT.
In my experience, the issues of the transit "prove" after the exact transit. It's like when Mercury goes RX, andeverything you've tried to do for 3 weeks just does not GO ... Then the direct, a stasis for a couple of days,
then the forward, where all matters unresolved by the upcoming transit start resolving.
With the outer planets, that can often mean shocking changes if you weren't paying attention to the transitingressing.
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Re: Orbs~ transitions and progressions« Reply #18 - on: 11.10.2010 at 07:36 [UT+1] »Quote from SiriusRising on 09.10.2010 at 18:38 [UT+1]:
mathematically I am aware of the difference. Forgive me.... I just post this for the record.
If one considers the aspects to be a function of time, with the dependent variable being Orb(t), then the Orb(t) function has a negative
derivative when 't' is such that Orb(t) is applying. And it has a positive derivative otherwise... except when it is exact, when its derivative

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The point is, not that the derivative is positive or negative... but that it changes.
Someday...this will enter into astrological analyses in this manner. ( And I'll save the discussion
on 2nd derivatives.
)

Hi SiriusRising,
I need to brush up the very basics/fundamentals of Calculus. I need to dust out some brain cobwebs first. I
really want to understand where you going with this....
I am going to come to this in a week or so..... (perhaps PM will be best....

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