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Sherona
Memberpluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it out« on: 23.08.2010 at 03:08 [UT+1] »After much thought and speculation, they say that a pluto sextile/trine venus can be good. I disagree. I havebeen through a pluto trine venus transit, met someone whose boyfriend is going through a pluto sextile venustransit, and my most recent ex is currently going through this transit.
After careful evaluation of the string of events that have occurred in my life, her life and his life. This transit is
NOT all its cracked up to be. It may be better than the hard aspects but nonetheless do not under estimate theforce of pluto. This transits gets you into forbidden relationships and all sorts of relationships that you would
not typically enter in at any other stage of life. You become obsessed with the WRONG people, and withrelationships that cannot or do not work for whatever reason. And its not just you, you attract these taboo
relationships sometimes. Well thats my two cents, what do you think?
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Linda Harris

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« Reply #1 - on: 24.08.2010 at 21:41 [UT+1] »I think that blaming Pluto for issues which might be generated by transits of Neptune, Uranus and Saturn issomething we all do as beginners.
Each chart is separate and each chart must be judged individually. If you want to know what caused recent
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problems which occured when Pluto was sextile a planet in your chart, put up your chart....and tell us the timeframe. And tell us the particular issue.
We'll attempt to give you the answers.

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gcnorman22
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« Reply #2 - on: 24.08.2010 at 22:24 [UT+1] »yes, I agree not always apparently easy Pluto/Venus transits always gives a boost to relationships or the issues
ruled by Venus in a chart. In my experience (Pluto transit was trine natal Venus in the 2000-2003) what

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met her from time to time and talk a little. Pluto was transiting my 11th Sagittarius, so I would think that
eased a little.
I agree with Laine regarding that we need to look at many other factors in the chart, parallel transits orprogressions ongoing etc, but in general I would say that "easy" Pluto transits can sometimes be not that easy
(I experienced that last from other transits of Pluto to another planets in my chart)

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Gayle 61

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« Reply #3 - on: 24.08.2010 at 22:57 [UT+1] »without hesitation i say ,they do work albiet soooooooo subtely
as they take so long, one can be in the trine and sextile occurances and not think anything is happening.
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it,s usually when you look back your will see from whence your have come and where you are now.
those karmic ppl you had met played a deep psycological part of your growing.
like gorman,?? i too had-have pluto go thru 11 th and friends passed , quietly taught me different
ppl and friends came and went .

values ofgot so much more into astrology and dug deep.
i also defined my where an i going goals thru that time, my survial needs and struggles.
all plutonian..
i can see transit pluto activatinng my prog mercury sextile prog venus and am so thankful .
but must admit, as this is weaker than a natal transit, i woundn,t be aware of this if i didn,t see it in my chart
so i,m making the most of it when a new or full moon happens within cooee, or minor transit goes over too.
maybe with natal pluto trine my sun and mars ( loose )nataly , i feel receptive to pluto transits ??
they sre as hell wok when negative
they take you to hell and backi especially have experienced huge changes with the pluto aspects to angles.
again i have pluto on an angle natally so who knows ???
wekeep ondigging.
in your own charts just watch the minor planets active

the pluto sextile times .

more esepcially, the prog moon will definatley bring an event when a connection occurs, and an eclipse.
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Sherona
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« Reply #4 - on: 25.08.2010 at 02:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Linda Harris on 24.08.2010 at 21:41 [UT+1]:
I think that blaming Pluto for issues which might be generated by transits of Neptune, Uranus and Saturn is something we all do as
beginners.
Each chart is separate and each chart must be judged individually. If you want to know what caused recent problems which occured when
Pluto was sextile a planet in your chart, put up your chart....and tell us the time frame. And tell us the particular issue.
We'll attempt to give you the answers.

Linda, I agree with you, i am def a newbie at astrology, i am sure when i had that transit back in 2000-2003 i
had other transit aspects working at the same time, that may have caused my bitterness. I don't know how topost the transits at that time. I seem to have zoned in on the pluto sextile venus transits because i currently
know several people who are experiencing that transit right now. And it seems like what they all have inPosts: 16

common is:
1) Getting involved in taboo relationships e.g married people and unavaliable people, relationships that don't orcannot work out.
2) It is geared towards a more sexual nature
When i compare their current experiences with my experience with this trine, i got divorced amicably after four
years, got involved and became obsessed with someone in a "strange agreement". This person was definitely
not character worthy based on his reputation and was definitely a taboo relationship. A married guy was also
flirting with me everyday at work and a guy was obsessed with me who i had not even dated.
Looking back i don't see a transformation that occurred other than i "don't know what the hell i was thinking
because i would not deal with those situation today" nor have those situations ever come up since then. I callit my crazy time. I was not transformed through love, i became obsessed instead with someone that i knew
was not right for me for the whole transit time. And to this day i have am still hurt and shattered by myactions. So i don't know maybe i am just bitter, but all of these experiences coincide with the same experiencesthat i see several of my friends are currently going through with this transit. Its almost like "what are you
thinking, are you crazy?
What do you think. Is it a coincidence.

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« Reply #5 - on: 25.08.2010 at 03:04 [UT+1] »The more natally attuned to Pluto, the easier its transits are. For better or worse, I'm attuned.
By the same token, an inconjunct to my Sun and Mars, with Pluto in my 12th and the focal point of a yod, wasa miserable 6 month or a year event.
While Pluto has been opposing my Venus, it has also been trine its natal position and o/s trine my Mercury.
while it was on my ascendant it was opposing my Moon and exactly trine my Mercury. I have to say the worst
part of the whole period was probably the approach to opposite my Moon, and that trine to Mercury just didn't
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Gender:mitigate that much. It was not all sexual. Most of it wasn't (although the 8 months opposite Venus were abit). But for the most part everyone that had been in my life for years, disappeared. Some have come back,but it was pretty quiet around here for a long while. Pluto began to get within 5 degrees of opposite my Moon
while Neptune was also squaring my Sun, back in 2004, and things just went downhill from there.
My natal trines with Natal Pluto trine Natal Mercury trine Natal Saturn are great, and probably were the saving
grace in my last few years. I'm attuned. I'm almost done. After Pluto conjuncts my Saturn, I will have a bit ofpeace. And the first exact conjunction will come this February. I'd say wish me luck, but I think I will be fine.
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Cappie Rachael
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« Reply #6 - on: 25.08.2010 at 04:16 [UT+1] »I've been hopping from thread to thread looking for advice about Pluto...I feel like it would be rude to make myown because everyone goes through Pluto transits. "Lookit me! I'm going through a Pluto transit!"...such an
AC e thread to start.
When you're dealing with transiting Pluto, what is the difference between a soft aspect, a hard aspect, and aminor aspect? Because I am seeing or am going to see all of these as Pluto moves through Capricorn:

JrG
JrD
Js AC
JsN
JpF
Jp MC
JqJ
JmC
JmE
JmO
JmK
Jm Ceres
JmM
Jm Vertex
JmI
JmA
JoB
...and I am frightened and confused. If all Pluto aspects are bad, then I'm...I don't know what.
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« Reply #7 - on: 25.08.2010 at 16:11 [UT+1] »Cappie Rachel, and anyone else about to meet Pluto:
You are going to need to learn to live one day at a time, just do the next right thing, and hand the outcome
over to the universe or whatever deity you believe in. If your list looks daunting and frightening to you, you
should see the full list of my pluto transits since 2001. I don't think there is a point in my chart that has NOT
been aspected by Pluto since that time, except maybe my natal Uranus and nodes, they were hit prior to 01. I
have a high concentration of planets in late degrees and early degrees. After 6 it gets quiet til 12.
It is survivable. And for all Pluto's reputation of people dying, my total death list since 2001
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Gender:2004 - a friend to melanoma (very scary since I also had melanoma removed in 1997 and it can and often does
come back)2005 - another friend to melanoma, and she had her first surgery within a month of mine2005 - an unborn grandson, birth accident, delivery took too long, they revived him but he was brain dead.
Which meant I had a grieving daughter and SIL, and that did destroy their relationship within a couple of years.
We were close, they lived with me for a few months, so yes it touched me.
2007 - almost lost a finger to a bite by my own cat, triggered by my dog of 4 years who wouldn't mind. (and
who also helped dislocate my knee in 04, and broke my nose in Nov 06)
Coyotes ate 3 of my cats (learned to keep them in again)
Gave away the misbehaving dog
My 14 year old dog died (his life expectancy by breed was 10 years)
My Moon is in my 6th house natally (7th by relocation) Given the number of pets who disappeared as Plutotransited my Moon, I'm thinking the natal chart rules...
But that's it. People disappeared, but for the most part they showed their true colors and were obnoxious andI was somewhat obnoxious myself or just quit talking to them.
Pluto strips away the niceties and lets you get a look at the core of who you are, what you really need, andwhat is really important. While I was far from looking forward to it, divorced in 2001 because I could afford to,there was nothing to stay for, and to prepare for the transit as well, with my ascendant/descendant axis, I am
much more at peace with all the childhood and early adulthood ghosts, I am comfortable in my own skin, andI've even quit worrying about what will happen when it conjuncts my Saturn in February. I have a greater faithin life, in finding my own path to my own destiny. I pay less attention to what society says I should have, who I
should be with, whether it is good or bad to prefer my own company to that of fools, and I simply am myself.
It ain't all bad.

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« Reply #8 - on: 25.08.2010 at 19:05 [UT+1] »next to what Linda said, which I personally found often to be the case, it may also be the actual activation of
natal potentials. I believe that no transit makes one do anything. not even Pluto.
in your particular case, what is Venus all about in your chart?
Pluto may have trined Venus, but if that Venus is involved in some sort of power games in the natal chart,
those would also be activated. so it would not be the Pluto trine, but your handling of your value system andrelationships (ie Venus).
you may also be under a beginner's spell with the 'goodness' of trines. what exactly do you think a trine brings?
honey and milk? a trine describes an easy flow of energy, a cooperation of the two involved energies. in thisPosts: 2915
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in a cooperative fashion. (ie you don't fight back). if we think about it, how else could you reevaluate yourvalues unless you bump into something that makes you think about them? if you form a rel with a free andavailable man, there's no (natural) need for you to even consider what you believe in and why you want him of
all men. we don't stop to think when we're 'happy' and all is well. we only do it when we're facing some sort ofobstacle.
astrology is not math. you can't add things and take the sum to be 'it'. you need to consider the nature of theplanets, what they stand for, what they are all about. Pluto is The transformative energy, The human quest to
exercise free will and take command of one's own destiny.
the trine to Venus means that the transformations and changes needed will be on the same line with what
you're used to, there wouldn't be a complete end and a new beginning, etc.

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tables and chairs

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« Reply #9 - on: 26.08.2010 at 01:59 [UT+1] »Another newbie here. I just want to ask others if they could say whether the transit was waxing or waning.
Waxing is like the waxing phase of the moon as it moves away from the sun and waning is like the moon's
waning period. A trine from T iJ to NaD would be waning since a natal planet doesn't move. A trine fromT iJ to NeD would be waxing.
I just would like people to start mentioning this. It couldn't hurt. Has anyone tried to investigate
waxing/waning differences at all and found it to be bunk?
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« Reply #10 - on: 26.08.2010 at 02:28 [UT+1] »Quote from cris_me on 25.08.2010 at 19:05 [UT+1]:
next to what Linda said, which I personally found often to be the case, it may also be the actual activation of natal potentials. I believethat no transit makes one do anything. not even Pluto.
in your particular case, what is Venus all about in your chart?
Pluto may have trined Venus, but if that Venus is involved in some sort of power games in the natal chart, those would also be activated.
so it would not be the Pluto trine, but your handling of your value system and relationships (ie Venus).
you may also be under a beginner's spell with the 'goodness' of trines. what exactly do you think a trine brings? honey and milk? a trine
describes an easy flow of energy, a cooperation of the two involved energies. in this case, it would mean that the objectives of Pluto transformation, change, restructuring - work easily along the lines of your value system and relationships - your Venus. or thattransformation of your values and rel works in a cooperative fashion. (ie you don't fight back). if we think about it, how else could you
reevaluate your values unless you bump into something that makes you think about them? if you form a rel with a free and availableman, there's no (natural) need for you to even consider what you believe in and why you want him of all men. we don't stop to think

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when we're 'happy' and all is well. we only do it when we're facing some sort of obstacle.
astrology is not math. you can't add things and take the sum to be 'it'. you need to consider the nature of the planets, what they standfor, what they are all about. Pluto is The transformative energy, The human quest to exercise free will and take command of one's own
destiny.
the trine to Venus means that the transformations and changes needed will be on the same line with what you're used to, there wouldn't
be a complete end and a new beginning, etc.

Yes I see what you are saying, if you don't bump into something that challenges your values then you don't
know how you feel about those values. I have venus in the 8th house opposite pluto in the 2nd house natally,
maybe that is part of the problem. I was under the impression that the trines/sextiles make it easier toaccomplish a transformation of these values that you have to work through. Well i will tell you what it was a
tough lesson to learn and transform into understanding not to be open to someone that you know that things
are just not going to work out with. And i didn't learn the lessons over the last ten years with the last three
relationships. After this last one, well i have finally learnt that being lonely is better than dating someone that ilove who doesn't appreciate me. Now saturn square saturn and venus opposite saturn is coming up this fall.
So yes guess i will be punished for not learning these lessons sooner. Now i have loneliness to look forward to.
A finale to the lesson perhaps.
I see others who are going through this transit right now, getting into situations that they shouldn't just like i
did and like me they will have to learn on their own, hopfeully it doesn't take them ten years.
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Gypsi

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« Reply #11 - on: 26.08.2010 at 05:32 [UT+1] »Quote from tables and chairs on 26.08.2010 at 01:59 [UT+1]:
Another newbie here. I just want to ask others if they could say whether the transit was waxing or waning. Waxing is like the waxing

iJ to NaD would bephase of the moon as it moves away from the sun and waning is like the moon's waning period. A trine from T

iJ to NeD would be waxing.

waning since a natal planet doesn't move. A trine from T

I just would like people to start mentioning this. It couldn't hurt. Has anyone tried to investigate waxing/waning differences at all andfound it to be bunk?

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Gender:Actually, Jeff Green talks about waxing and waning Pluto transits to Venus & Mars in his SECOND Pluto book,"Pluto II", but I see the first transit you list as waxing, Pluto is moving from the opposition point (relative toVenus) to a trine. Technically I think your second example is waning, since following the order of the signs Pluto
is separating from the conjunction to Venus (that probably happened years prenatally) It has been a few years
since I read the book, I found it difficult to follow his discussion of Pluto transits while living one, and I haven't
really gotten to a point of appreciating the niceties. I just finished with Pluto opposite Venus, and in a few years
it will oppose my Mars. Not too much waxing or waning about it... Pretty much Pluto is Pluto, just have todeal with it and get through it.

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Lee Rutland
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« Reply #12 - on: 26.08.2010 at 18:53 [UT+1] »I suppose all this is helpful in the sense that it gives us some solace, thinking about what has happened to us,
and cogitating how we might do this or that next time, or "was that a waxing square", and what have I
learned.....
...but the fact is that when Pluto grabs you, you are dead meat! You may not live through the transit, andSaturn plays pattycake compared to Pluto.
Pluto is the Ancient Primordial Hell, and you are cast into it, burned to a crisp and wind up just glad you
survived.
So I guess trying to talk about and make sense of this devastation is OK, but it never does justice to theexperience itself.
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EDIT: And you were right, Sherona....there is no good Pluto aspect. I have J p D.....and there is nothing
sweet or nice or light about that. It is Hell.

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« Reply #13 - on: 26.08.2010 at 18:55 [UT+1] »Quote from Sherona on 26.08.2010 at 02:28 [UT+1]:[...]
I have venus in the 8th house opposite pluto in the 2nd house natally,[...]
I was under the impression that the trines/sextiles make it easier to accomplish a transformation of these values that you have to workthrough.
[...]being lonely is better than dating someone that i love who doesn't appreciate me.
[...]
Now saturn square saturn and venus opposite saturn is coming up this fall. So yes guess i will be punished for not learning these lessons
sooner. Now i have loneliness to look forward to. A finale to the lesson perhaps.

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Gender:oh, dear... now let's hang on a minute. I understand it was a hard thing to live through, but please don't see it
as a punishment. the lesson about how much you're worth and what you should ask from your partner in termsof love and appreciation is encrypted in your natal chart. but it's such a good and useful thing to learn, isn't it?
the axis 2nd/8th is all about that. the thing is ... for you, relationships and self-worth are very much mixed
together with power games. or simply put, any contact to Venus in fact activates the Venus-Pluto opposition.
indeed your life lesson seems to be to learn how to relate to another on an equal basis and how to share andcooperate fully.
but only when you manage to feel confident in who you are and what you're worth, and self-assured. so muchso that you'll feel no need to compare yourself to others, compete, or gain power and value by associating with
"important' people.
the opposition - any opposition - has an inbuilt mechanism of awareness, mirroring if you like. whatever you
seem to attract or are attracted to is in fact a reflection of your own unaccepted or primitive desires and needs(control, power, competition, destruction, etc ). and the whole point is for you to accept yourself for having
those and to transform them into smt ... well, more evolved.
the transit of Venus is no big deal, unless you speak of the Venus rx this autumn. indeed, this is a time toreconsider values and rel for everyone, especially if it makes personal contacts. but if you manage to change thedark perspective, please consider that any transit can bring nice thing. for instance, Saturn to Venus can also
bring a stable, responsible rel/partner in your life.
but I'll admit, that DnJ is a handful. it may be a while until you fully get a grip on that. if you really want to,remember this: NO GAMES. complete honesty, no 'revenge', no soap-opera thinking. find a book called "Games
People Play", read it in complete honesty, and make sure you never fall for those. you should be fine
keepthat chin up! nothing is that bad as it seems in the beginning.

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« Reply #14 - on: 26.08.2010 at 21:43 [UT+1] »Quote from cris_me on 25.08.2010 at 19:05 [UT+1]:
next to what Linda said, which I personally found often to be the case, it may also be the actual activation of natal

potentials. I believe that no transit makes one do anything. not even Pluto.
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« Reply #15 - on: 26.08.2010 at 23:03 [UT+1] »That's the common misunderstanding, that trines and sextiles can be all easy-going and light, amd makes
things 'better'.
Not necessarily, what it can mean is that the energies of the two planets that are trine/sextile flow smoothly,
makes it easier to express - and that's including both good and bad traits of each planet.
It can go several ways, examples are:
Positive side: Venus (harmony) - Pluto (transformation)
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Negative side: Venus (co-dependency) - Pluto (destructive)
And from the example of the OP's thread:
Venus (relationships) - Pluto (taboo)

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« Reply #16 - on: 27.08.2010 at 04:01 [UT+1] »I agree with you, when PLuto trined my Venus by transit I was obsessed with the wrong people, and I don't see
what good came of it. Chiron also conjuncted my descendant at the same time, but I don't think Chiron canaccount for the obsessive nature of that whole horrifying episode. And I don't think that my natal Venus's natal

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promise can account for it either. Natal venus is trine neptune, trine mars, and square the moon. I guess it is
at a criitical degree, 0, but I don't know that that's negative. I don't know what good can be said about theepisode, I mean, it ended a relationship that needed to end but....what else?
Right now my progressed Sun is exactly opposite my natal Pluto. Jury is still out on how it will end up, butsoooooooooo much easier than the transiting trine from Pluto. Hmmmmm.

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« Reply #17 - on: 27.08.2010 at 11:54 [UT+1] »Quote from capricornianaries on 27.08.2010 at 04:01 [UT+1]:[...]
Natal venus is trine neptune,[...] and square the moon.
[...]
I don't know what good can be said about the episode, I mean, it ended a relationship that needed to end but....what else?
[...]

Venus trine Neptune = naivete in relationship. reality alone can feel like a blow to the heart.
Venus square Moon = difficult to reconcile needs to likes. either choice alone can 'hurt' the other 'party'.

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Gender:ending a rel that needs to end is quite a lot. it can, in fact, be everything sometimes.
imagine being with a a person that doesn't love or respect you, but being unaware of it or not accepting it asfact; getting married, bringing a bunch of other people into this mess (ie kids), and waking up 50 year later tothe fact that reality and what you believed all that time were two different things. would this be a well lived life?
or a complete waste, from all sorts of povs... all the things that you and your soul needed to accomplish inorder to evolve - undone. too late. never gonna happen, in this lifetime. and why? bc you spent all your timeand energy trying to sustain a dead idea, a "vision", a fantasy, a rel that was long due its expiration date,something that did not nourish or sustain you in any way. all that bc you wouldn't let go. hmm... be careful
what you wish for! I've seen people who've done this and they were not a pretty sight.
like I said. no transit, in fact, will 'save' you against your will. we're so accommodating, so adaptable, that weeventually integrate and adjust to anything, no matter how bad it is for us, and we soon forget it was bad, andwhat 'good' means. and such opportunities (as Pluto or Saturn bring) are gone in a flash. if you hang on tight,
you may not even know they were there.

the Sun lights things up. or in plain terms, brings awareness. so the SP Sun being opposite your natal Pluto is
an opportunity for you to become aware of your need to evolve form a spiritual pov, your needs to change, totransform, your power games, your own power and strength, your own endurance and character even. and all
this will come to you being mirrored by smb else (the opposition). according to the houses involved (ruled by
the two and live by), you will choose or be attracted to, or meet, ot be 'forced' to work with, or etc withsomeone who is a mirror image of you. and your relating to them could help you get a hold on that side ofyou, know yourself better and 'handle' it well.
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« Reply #18 - on: 27.08.2010 at 12:34 [UT+1] »Pluto's myth has a lot to do with jealousy and unrequited love - in fact, these two emotions drive Hades andCeres throughout the entire tale. It doesn't surprise me that a trine with Venus would trigger some of this,particularly since the myths of Venus show us clearly that she was not marriage-minded.
Because I have Venus trine Pluto natally, I will never experience the transit. I am alert to the possibilities of the
conjunction, which comes for me at the end of Capricorn.
Because one cannot experience all the transits of Pluto to personal planets in one lifetime - Pluto has a 248 year
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cycle - I have always felt that the meanings of these transits tend to get "rolled up together". In other words, anative who will never experience the Pluto/Venus opposition tends to get some of the negativity during the
Pluto/Venus trine. I'm not sure which of the gods we should thank for their generosity on this.

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« Reply #19 - on: 27.08.2010 at 17:09 [UT+1] »Quote from Evescaduceus on 27.08.2010 at 12:34 [UT+1]:
In other words, a native who will never experience the Pluto/Venus opposition tends to get some of the negativity during the Pluto/Venus
trine.

I have that transit coming up in a few years. And due to pluto's orbit, I know I won't live long enough toexperience the opposition. So does that really mean I'll get some of the negativity during the trine?
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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #20 - on: 27.08.2010 at 17:11 [UT+1] »I think it is the energy of the planets involved, and that is far far more important than the nature of the aspect.
Yes squares are going to be more painful than sextiles or trines, and oppositions are going to come at you fromthe outside world in the form of disputes, arguments, but Pluto is Pluto. Pluto opposition Mercury is a non-stop
battle (or it was when my 13 year old had it, LOL). Pluto to Venus by transit regardless of the aspect (and I am
finishing the opposition) will tear down the existing "nice" "socially acceptable" values structure and force you todefine your own. Often by experience, aka the school of hard knocks. Those values will include romantic,
finances, ethics.... That's Venus...
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Gender:And the opposition I just went through, taught me that my system for identifying who is 'suitable" to date, as
in socially acceptable, working, age, etc., were quite possibly worse than dating someone outside that group.

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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #21 - on: 27.08.2010 at 18:59 [UT+1] »Quote from Sharon Bonney on 23.08.2010 at 03:08 [UT+1]:
After much thought and speculation, they say that a pluto sextile/trine venus can be good. I disagree. I have been through a pluto trine
venus transit, met someone whose boyfriend is going through a pluto sextile venus transit, and my most recent ex is currently going
through this transit.
After careful evaluation of the string of events that have occurred in my life, her life and his life. This transit is NOT all its cracked up to
be. It may be better than the hard aspects but nonetheless do not under estimate the force of pluto. This transits gets you into forbidden
relationships and all sorts of relationships that you would not typically enter in at any other stage of life. You become obsessed with the
WRONG people, and with relationships that cannot or do not work for whatever reason. And its not just you, you attract these taboo
relationships sometimes. Well thats my two cents, what do you think?

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Gender:As many others have mentioned the big picture (total chart) is necessary to abstract any sort of conclusions.
Today T Pluto is at around 2 deg 50min. My N. Venus in Virgo is at 1 deg. 57 min. conjunct N. Moon in Virgoat 7 deg. 43 min. Thus, T Pluto has made a trine aspect to Venus and progressed to my Venus/Moon midpoint
before this past retrograde and is now back to being trine with Venus again. The energy from transiting Pluto
has been very rewarding for me. In so many ways (even at age 43) I have grown up and view love andrelationships in a much more mature and deeper manor … Now my N. Pluto is at 18 deg. In Virgo exactly
sextile N. Sun at 18 deg. in Cancer. This is the tightest aspect in my chart and the top of a "talent triangle"
between Sun trine Neptune. Transits from the God of the underworld never seem to produce the anxiety andchallenges for me that I have observed with others. Pluto square Pluto was one of the better periods in my life.
Now Saturn transits are another story, and this can be seen in my chart. The energy produced by the outerplanets is experienced differently by everybody.
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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #22 - on: 27.08.2010 at 19:24 [UT+1] »What's wrong with "taboo" or Plutonian relationships with between consenting adults with all their cards on thetable?

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Gender:I wouldn't get involved with a man who was spoken for, nor would I cheat on someone, but other than that..I
fail to see what is necessarily wrong?
The word "taboo" is very relative too....
I thinking I am going to look forward to this transit as it is my next Pluto transit to my personalplanet.....yum!!!
It might remove certain hang ups I have...
The biggest one: one the reason I didn't like getting involved in official relationships is that I felt that by beinga couple I was losing power... losing my identity to be with another...

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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #23 - on: 27.08.2010 at 19:38 [UT+1] »Quote from SOJack on 27.08.2010 at 18:59 [UT+1]:
As many others have mentioned the big picture (total chart) is necessary to abstract any sort of conclusions. Today T Pluto is at around 2
deg 50min. My N. Venus in Virgo is at 1 deg. 57 min. conjunct N. Moon in Virgo at 7 deg. 43 min. Thus, T Pluto has made a trine aspect toVenus and progressed to my Venus/Moon midpoint before this past retrograde and is now back to being trine again. The energy fromtransiting Pluto has been very rewarding for me. In so many ways (even at age 43) I have grown up and view love andPosts: 5576
Gender:relationships in a much more mature and deeper manor … Now my N. Pluto is at 18 deg. In Virgo exactly sextile
N. Sun at 18 deg. in Cancer. This is the tightest aspect in my chart. Pluto transits never seem to produce the anxiety and challenges forme that I have observed with others. Pluto square Pluto was one of the better periods in my life. Now Saturn transits are another story,
and this can be seen in my chart. The energy produced by the outer planets is experienced differently by everybody.

Hopefully, this is what I want to experience... instead of some scary psycho stalking me (but then again, I
used to be Freak Magnet in my younger years, so who knows?
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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #24 - on: 27.08.2010 at 21:54 [UT+1] »Hi vertex,
The point I was attempting to make is the obvious. That is, no two natives will experience the exact sametransit the same way. Not even breaking the chart into basics such as houses, and house rulers, even the finite
such as dwads (with twins this would be necessary) transiting energy (planets) is all part of fulfilling the natal
promise. Like our fingerprints, our charts are unique. Thus, how can my T. Pluto trine Venus be like anyoneelse. When people state (paraphrasing Lee) that Saturn transits are a walk in the park compared to Pluto. I
must say what the hell is he thinking. Saturn has harsh and abrupt way of teaching me lessons whereas Pluto
has a very subtle manor of nudging me in the proper direction. In my natal, Saturn in Aries 12 deg. conjunctPosts: 174
Gender:MC square Sun and Mercury in Cancer. Point being, we can't just assume that a Pluto transit is more challenging
than a Saturn Transit... vertex, I hope when and if you go through Pluto trine Venus that it is as rewarding as
mine has been thus far. I am in many regards the stereotypical clingy Cancer male. This transit for me hasbrought to light that detachment is alright within my personal relationships. I suppose that what I defined aslove has changed through this transit.
Steve

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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #25 - on: 28.08.2010 at 00:29 [UT+1] »Steve,
I hope all the wonderful stuff with this transit continues. I tried to stay positive with my Pluto/Venus and spent
3 months on a pink cloud, just perfect, better than I could imagine.
Your attunement to Pluto natally is doubtless helping. I have a natal attunement to both Pluto and Saturn,
Uranus and Neptune too - all of the heavies are tied in with my personal planets, and I certainly don't have theharsh real life effects of their transits much anymore. But the first time Saturn opposed my Sun, it was a
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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #26 - on: 28.08.2010 at 00:56 [UT+1] »Quote from SOJack on 27.08.2010 at 21:54 [UT+1]:
Hi vertex,
The point I was attempting to make is the obvious. That is, no two natives will experience the exact same transit the same way. Not evenbreaking the chart into basics such as houses, and house rulers, even the finite such as dwads (with twins this would be necessary)transiting energy (planets) is all part of fulfilling the natal promise. Like our fingerprints, our charts are unique. Thus, how can my T. Pluto

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Gender:trine Venus be like anyone else. When people state (paraphrasing Lee) that Saturn transits are a walk in the park compared to Pluto. I
must say what the hell is he thinking. Saturn has harsh and abrupt way of teaching me lessons whereas Pluto has a very subtle manor of
nudging me in the proper direction. In my natal, Saturn in Aries 12 deg. conjunct MC square Sun and Mercury in Cancer. Point being, we
can't just assume that a Pluto transit is more challenging than a Saturn Transit... vertex, I hope when and if you go through Pluto trine
Venus that it is as rewarding as mine has been thus far. I am in many regards the stereotypical clingy Cancer male. This transit for me hasbrought to light that detachment is alright within my personal relationships. I suppose that what I defined as love has changed through thistransit.
Steve

Thanks SOJack,
How is Pluto aspected in your chart? Have you ever gone through a harsh Pluto transit at some point in yourlife?
I'm the opposite of you...I have been too detached, must learn to attach.... G in d in the 7th
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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #27 - on: 28.08.2010 at 02:24 [UT+1] »Quote from Gypsi on 26.08.2010 at 05:32 [UT+1]:
Actually, Jeff Green talks about waxing and waning Pluto transits to Venus & Mars in his SECOND Pluto book, "Pluto II", but I see the firsttransit you list as waxing, Pluto is moving from the opposition point (relative to Venus) to a trine. Technically I think your second example
is waning, since following the order of the signs Pluto is separating from the conjunction to Venus

Shoot! You're right! I've been working on homework and didn't have time to check over that post. Logically I
would probably list waxing first so it was probably just a mixing up of words, not clockwise/counter-clockwise.
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T pluto opposite N moon
« Reply #28 - on: 28.08.2010 at 04:43 [UT+1] »I had many a T JnNB in 11H when I was younger. I was excited for it to retrograde until I realized that it
wasn't going to retrograde all the way back to the opposition point. The last times it opposed my moon were
July, 2007 and November, 2007. I was in ninth grade. It first opposed by retrograde before I started my ninth
grade year of school and opposed direct in the middle of that school year.
Since I was quite young, I only vaguely remember the date of one Plutonic event which was between the last
oppositions.
Since fifth grade I had liked this girl for some reason because she always looked at me in the halls and I always
looked back.
In eighth grade I started doing some bad things involving indulging desire while at school. I stopped after
eighth grade though. I thought about it and thought that I should have respect for women and not look at
any part of their body or anything like that. I also stopped doing something that you shouldn't do during
school.
Anyway, in early ninth grade, after the first Pluto opposition, I was thinking about that girl and that she
probably wasn't my soul mate which was some idea I had gotten into my head a few years back even though I
never had the courage to talk to her. Also, early in my ninth grade year, I decided to send her a note and I
could tell she received it well but suddenly something went wrong. In one of my classes, someone she knew
and was friends with said that I was looking at her when I wasn't. After that, a bunch of girls in that classstarted always giving me nasty looks and stuff. I tried to make it better but always made it worse. I also neverfollowed through on talking to that girl I'd sent the note to because of that. I was really bummed out. Afterthat was the direct Pluto opposition.
My next year of school I had to let go again but I was much more prepared and willing that time. I also
continued to deal with people's negative views of me some of the time for about 2 more years. It might lastfor 3 but so far things seem fine and I just want to do well in the hard classes I took. I also have put lessemphasis on fitting in. I don't mind getting odd looks from people because I'm not what I'm expected to be
and have broken norms for positive purposes. I really like the lines from part of a song that go,"I'm in a crowd and I'm still alone
can't you see these skies are breaking?
'cause one of a kind is all I own"
I think a lot of this may be tainted by the influence of of NAmNM though. I think it may have meaning.
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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #29 - on: 28.08.2010 at 06:04 [UT+1] »Tables and Chairs, I have Natal A conjunct Natal M. 25 minutes apart I think, in the 5th house.
Fitting in wasn't my forte in school, I will not share my embarrassments of long ago, but I will tell you that I
am still somewhat of a loner as an adult, while I peripherally fit in to many groups, I have a few close friends,
and I consider everyone else an acquaintance. I smile, laugh, shake hands or hug, but I do not share my
deepest secrets often, and I have learned to be very very selective on who I trust. Women have violated my

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Gender:trust with embarrassing results more than men, but I am just selective. 3 people may know a very private
thing. And while only 2 are still alive, (I lost an old and dear friend 5 years ago to cancer) they are held toconfidentiality by legal and ethical rules...

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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #30 - on: 28.08.2010 at 16:28 [UT+1] »Thanks Gypsi. 3 degrees orb exactly for me.
Interestingly, right after the last Pluto opposition I soon had a T M waning p NM/NA
Actually the p NA might of occurred with the last Pluto opposition depending on whether I correct forprecession or not.
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Re: pluto sextile/trine transits i've figured it o
« Reply #31 - on: 28.08.2010 at 17:13 [UT+1] »Back in 2008 my ex husband was dating a wild woman and tried to break up with her several times. She kept
returning. He had t. J trine his natal D, and t. O opposite his natal A at the same time. He wascontemplating a restraining order, when she turned up pregnant. (don't get me started....). In rapid
succession in 1999 he was diagnosed with ALS, then married her shortly after their baby was born.
She describes herself as "obsessively jealous". She goes through his phone and calls all his old girlfriends andtells them she is married to him now, there is no reason to talk to him. She tracks him where ever he goes,and believe me, there's no reason to track him, he is a loyal person. She was definitely his Pluto trine Venus
transit. On the upside, she will be taking care of him through the latter stages of ALS, if her drama doesn't kill
him first.
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« Reply #32 - on: 30.08.2010 at 01:05 [UT+1] »Quote from dog8818 on 28.08.2010 at 17:13 [UT+1]:

J trineD, and t. O opposite his natal A at the same time. He was contemplating a restraining order, when she turned up pregnant.

Back in 2008 my ex husband was dating a wild woman and tried to break up with her several times. She kept returning. He had t.
his natal(don't get me started....). In rapid succession in 1999 he was diagnosed with ALS, then married her shortly after their baby was born.
She describes herself as "obsessively jealous". She goes through his phone and calls all his old girlfriends and tells them she is married tohim now, there is no reason to talk to him. She tracks him where ever he goes, and believe me, there's no reason to track him, he is aloyal person. She was definitely his Pluto trine Venus transit. On the upside, she will be taking care of him through the latter stages of
ALS, if her drama doesn't kill him first.

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Gender:This sounds like Pluto to Venus - one or the other either provoking jealousy or obsessive jealousy with noreason. But what is ALS?

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