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Are we at the cross-road of CONSCIOUS EVOLUTION? (Read 331 times)

Jen J.
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Are we at the cross-road of CONSCIOUS
EVOLUTION?
« on: 17.04.2009 at 01:18 [UT+1] »O in l seems to be "teaching" us that the mist of Illusion is really not Piscean but .... SATURNIAN!!
Saturn drums the lesson into us : "see" it i.e. things which appear as fake/deception/illusion, for what it is...
just an attempt to be something it actually IS NOT !!! ... while Pisces tells us not to EXPECT anything,because it will NOT be what you think it is, anyway!!! ........ which is exactly what l represents, i.e. that ALL
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things are possible yet NOTHING is ultimately REAL or TRUE, since all reality is RELATIVE to a CONSENSUS of
opinion (j)!!
For a Piscean to be dis-illusioned is simply like looking in the mirror and seeing itself, because l is all about
illusion!! ... nothing to depend on, to rely on, to plan for, because it's all just a figment of the illusory mind
(which G is always trying desperately to counter, by convincing us through Pain that the "Dream stops here"!!!
...
BUT ... now, transiting O in l is making sure that little Saturn deception (some pun!!) gets put to the
LIGHT! ... and Saturn's reality-boundaries are being tested (OnG) : The whole structure (j) of what our
inner emotional security is symbolised by, being the stability of the Financial markeplace (j, and G), is shownfor what it actually is, as stable as quicksand! The conscientious financial savers, all good forward-planning,hard-working, money-saving G-minded folk, are now seeing those "admirable" G qualities being shown to beillusory, delusional, unreliable!! G the worker, G the saver, and G the Foundation-and-the-Roof, is now
jobless, moneyless, and homeless!
It seems it is not just O in l nG which is revealing this new, unfamiliar face of G, but also J in j which isbringing to consciousness, from the depths of our concept of "structure" (j), its "real" ILLUSORY nature.
Yet, by far of most concern is to ask, is all this financial chaos actually all about the NEXT LEVEL in theevolution of Consciousness of mankind, beginning with these current cracks in its consensus of opinion ofReality, shown by the G,j global financial dissolution/transformation?
And if it is, then what could be the astrological pointer to indicate what that next level would be, and thus showin which direction, with what necessary transformation, we can direct ourselves to the process?

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #1 - on: 17.04.2009 at 09:22 [UT+1] »When we do not need what Gj represents in this world we won't be in this world.

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #2 - on: 17.04.2009 at 18:09 [UT+1] »Quote from Jen J. on 17.04.2009 at 01:18 [UT+1]:

O in l seems to be "teaching" us that the mist of Illusion is really not Piscean but .... SATURNIAN!!
Saturn drums the lesson into us : "see" it i.e. things which appear as fake/deception/illusion, for what it is... just an attempt to besomething it actually IS NOT !!! ... while Pisces tells us not to EXPECT anything, because it will NOT be what you think it is, anyway!!!
........ which is exactly what
represents, i.e. that ALL things are possible yet NOTHING is ultimately REAL or TRUE, since all reality is
RELATIVE to a CONSENSUS of opinion ( )!!

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For a Piscean to be dis-illusioned is simply like looking in the mirror and seeing itself, because
is all about illusion!! ... nothing todepend on, to rely on, to plan for, because it's all just a figment of the illusory mind (whichis always trying desperately to counter, byG

convincing us through Pain that the "Dream stops here"!!! ...

Ol is making sure that little Saturn deception (some pun!!) gets put to the LIGHT! ... and Saturn's realityOnG) : The whole structure (j) of what our inner emotional security is symbolised by, being the stabilityof the Financial markeplace ( j, and G), is shown for what it actually is, as stable as quicksand! The conscientious financial savers, allgood forward-planning, hard-working, money-saving G-minded folk, are now seeing those "admirable" G qualities being shown to beillusory, delusional, unreliable!! G the worker, G the saver, and G the Foundation-and-the-Roof, is now jobless, moneyless, and
BUT ... now, transitinginboundaries are being tested (homeless!

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l nG

It seems it is not justinwhich is revealing this new, unfamiliar face offrom the depths of our concept of "structure" ( ), its "real" ILLUSORY nature.

G, but also J in j which is bringing to consciousness,jYet, by far of most concern is to ask, is all this financial chaos actually all about the NEXT LEVEL in the evolution of Consciousness of
mankind, beginning with these current cracks in its consensus of opinion of Reality, shown by the,
global financial

Gjdissolution/transformation?
And if it is, then what could be the astrological pointer to indicate what that next level would be, and thus show in which direction, withwhat necessary transformation, we can direct ourselves to the process?

So much is being said about consciousness raising, mind control, traditional virus modern astrology, using
more of our brain capacity (we are using 1/10 apparently). I believe your points are well put in that are
evolution is seen by the outer planets and their station-certainly in the collective realm of Aquarius and Pisces(Uranus, Neptune). I see the crossroads point to the next leap is now with Pluto Cap as its the boundary pointof moving beyond the material/mundane (Saturn). The transformation of Pluto CAP (Saturn principles) at thislevel is taking us to the level of wking with energies beyond the mundane and material/now through acrisis/climactic point as Pluto will meet Uranus and Saturn in a critical marker in the next year. Its not like wegive up the material or mundane/its that we learn to transcend its pull to fear, struggle, insecurity and hence
greed, control and all the ensuing repercussions such as war, violence. As we see Neptune move into its ruler,
Picses and Pluto move toward Aquarius-we are moving even higher into a realm of faith, trust, peace, collective
hope and humanity with the opening of new channels or portals in the mind/manifestation with visualization.
I see this as modern astrology with the outer planets to guide us-the last century with Neptune, Uranus, Pluto
and who knows the next Planetary discovery to guide us further. This is also a marker time between
traditional astrology with it accustomed pull to Saturn guiding principles which modern astrology is helping us
move beyond. The "Secret" and Law of Attraction are principles equating with the outer planetary points Uranus
Pisces, Neptune Aquarius now with all the attention around quantum theory and energetic resonance. Even thethoughts on self fulfilling prophecy can figure in here where when we think or say or feel we will be fine, have agreat day, have a bad day all point to this ability to transcend the mundane. I believe we are at a crossroads
with this theory-not that I fully agree with the Secret's theory - ie we attract what we reflect, however I do
believe there is a point of reckoning with the fateful traditional and the co-creating ability we now have to
move beyond a limited perspective of fate and cause and effect.
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EVOLUTIO« Reply #3 - on: 17.04.2009 at 19:20 [UT+1] »I think that you point our one of the greatest problems in the world today - illusions and delusions. Much of
painful events in the world today is a reality-check after a long period of many illusions. We (humanity ingeneral) have in my opinion been so obsessed by the outer world and money, that we largely forgot to lookinwards. Fear for example (often associated with Pisces) creates delusion. Saturn may as you say create thehard world, when he is not combined with love. But through the pain he delivers, he forces us to be real. The
many pains in the world today are probably needed, else we would continue the path of illusions.
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EVOLUTIO« Reply #4 - on: 17.04.2009 at 20:00 [UT+1] »All the Planets, all the Signs, all the Symbols of astrology can potentially represent different aspects of illusion,for none of them represent pure unconditional love and Source Consciousness..
An good analogy is that Source Consciousness and Love is like the White Light. Our Freewill via nonconstructive, limiting, fearful, unloving, and overly material focused choices, can take this White Light and thenrefract it into various colors. We in a sense "split and weaken" ourselves. For imharmony and imbalance everequals weakness.
Colors are not light, but come from Light, which originally is pure White Light. The White Light represents theperfect balance and integration of all the colors and frequencies, and merges them all together, it representsbalancing Individuality with Oneness.
So, be as the White Light and through the Law of Like attracts, begets, and resonates with Like, you becomeas, like and One with the White Light.
Astrology with its various finite symbols then, represents the stuck, refracted Consciousness, who was once
Whole and pure, but now is finding their way back to that state of being. BUT in relative degrees of greateror lesser stuckness and inharmony and consciousness "bandwidth" . Each symbol is either more
expanded or less expanded in Consciousness meaning than another, and this is in the innate sense.
It represents the various colors in that analogy. Pisces though, as a sign, innately represents that
Consciousness most attuned and attuning to that state. But even Pisces with its Violet vibratory energy, has along way to go before it becomes the White Light again.
After Pisces, is the pure Sun, after the Sun is Arcturus and the like, after these is the Galactic Center.

After

that is mastered and fully attuned too, then does the Soul become complete, and become a full and fully
conscious Co Creator with its Source. And Love, which is Oneness lived and expressed in action, thought, andfeeling, is ever the developing factor in this.
People can come to transcend ALL astrological relative forces.

Yeshua did, and others since he has have as

well. Very slowly but surely, we all collectively are moving in this direction, and in about a thousand years
pretty much every human alive will be at that "level" or that All inclusive Consciousness.
Then we move onto our real and original "jobs" or rather purpose. To be full Companions and Co Creators,
ever creating new and unique patterns out of the sheer joy of doing so.
The creating we learn and do here, is a pale, but necessary shadow of this later and more ultimate Creating.
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Jen J.

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #5 - on: 17.04.2009 at 22:17 [UT+1] »[quote author=_Inanna_ link=1239927538/0#2 date=1239988164... I see the crossroads point to the next leap is now with Pluto Cap as its the boundary point of moving
beyond the material/mundane (Saturn). The transformation of Pluto CAP (Saturn principles) at this level istaking us to the level of wking with energies beyond the mundane and material/now through a crisis/climactic
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point as Pluto will meet Uranus and Saturn in a critical marker in the next year. ................... As we see
Neptune move into its ruler, Picses and Pluto move toward Aquarius-we are moving even higher into a realm offaith, trust, peace, collective hope and humanity with the opening of new channels or portals in themind/manifestation with visualization.
I.................This is also a marker time between traditional astrology with it accustomed pull to Saturn guiding
principles which modern astrology is helping us move beyond. The "Secret" and Law of Attraction are principles
equating with the outer planetary points Uranus Pisces, Neptune Aquarius now with all the attention around
quantum theory and energetic resonance. Even the thoughts on self fulfilling prophecy can figure in here where
when we think or say or feel we will be fine, have a great day, have a bad day all point to this ability totranscend the mundane.
I believe we are at a crossroads with this theory-not that I fully agree with the Secret's theory - ie we attract
what we reflect, however I do believe there is a point of reckoning with the fateful traditional and the cocreating ability we now have to move beyond a limited perspective of fate and cause and effect.
[/quote]Inanna, what a refreshingly insightful view-point!!!....
the last paragraph quoted from you above, i.e. :I can just nod, and nod, and nod YES!...

especially to

I do believe there is a point of reckoning with the fateful traditional and the co-creating ability we now haveto move beyond a limited perspective of fate and cause and effect.
THAT is EXACTLY the PLUTO/CAPRICORN transition, put by you in a nutshell (don't mind the j pun)! Great
reading and digesting what you said! Thanks. Please feel free to add more, as I'm sure there is.....
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EVOLUTIO« Reply #6 - on: 17.04.2009 at 22:54 [UT+1] »Quote from Torgny on 17.04.2009 at 19:20 [UT+1]:
I think that you point our one of the greatest problems in the world today - illusions and delusions. Much of painful events in the world
today is a reality-check after a long period of many illusions. We (humanity in general) have in my opinion been so obsessed by the outerworld and money, that we largely forgot to look inwards. Fear for example (often associated with Pisces) creates delusion. Saturn may as
you say create the hard world, when he is not combined with love. But through the pain he delivers, he forces us to be real. The many
pains in the world today are probably needed, else we would continue the path of illusions.

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Torgny, thanks for input.

I can only fully agree with you, altho not in a judgemental-of-humanity way. I see

our illusions,delusions with money/fear of lack of love and all the attendant pain is, as Inanna (above quote) sowell outlines the reason being that humanity has so far been drifting in the Saturnian Consciousness confines,"waiting" for the transforming/renewing/refining of Consciousness possible only through the energies of theouter planets transiting through specific constellations in specific aspects, etc. And yes, Pain is necessary as
the beginning of enlightenment, else we would stay dormant.... but what is REAL?, it is but that which Saturn
DICTATES us, and which perhaps now Pluto is going to show us through this Capricorn transit that the SATURNREALITY RUT we have been in is actually NOT the Be All and End All limit to how life can be lived on this planet,
which we have accepted till now.
I see this World Financial Crisis is the outer material sign of the inner emotional condition. And its screamingout to us that THAT HAS TO CHANGE, BE TRANSFORMED. I also think our idea of what Love is is not evenclose to what it may be, and its towards that becoming that the inner emotional condition is to be addressedby the Pluto/Capricorn transit, Neptune/Pisces transit, and the Uranus/Aries transit as the obvious next WAKEUP !!! ( as outlined by "direct Jupitarian" quote:"People can come to transcend ALL astrological relative forces. Yeshua did, and others since he has have as
well. Very slowly but surely, we all collectively are moving in this direction, and in about a thousand years
pretty much every human alive will be at that "level" or that All inclusive Consciousness.
Then we move onto our real and original "jobs" or rather purpose. To be full Companions and Co Creators,
ever creating new and unique patterns out of the sheer joy of doing so.
The creating we learn and do here, is a pale, but necessary shadow of this later and more ultimate Creating. "Back to top
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Jen J.

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #7 - on: 17.04.2009 at 23:17 [UT+1] »Quote from direct Jupitarian on 17.04.2009 at 20:00 [UT+1]:........ Colors are not light, but come from Light, which originally is pure White Light. The White Light represents the perfect balance andintegration of all the colors and frequencies, and merges them all together, it represents balancing Individuality with Oneness. .........
............ People can come to transcend ALL astrological relative forces. Yeshua did, and others since he has have as well. Very slowly but

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surely, we all collectively are moving in this direction, and in about a thousand years pretty much every human alive will be at that "level"or that All inclusive Consciousness.
Then we move onto our real and original "jobs" or rather purpose. To be full Companions and Co Creators, ever creating new and uniquepatterns out of the sheer joy of doing so.
The creating we learn and do here, is a pale, but necessary shadow of this later and more ultimate Creating.

Hi direct Jupitarian, thanx for joining this voice about the Cross-road in Conscious Evolution. I've selectedfrom your text to agree and underline what seems to be echoed by others, and that is what shows me morethan anything that the collective is voicing WHAT EXACTLY is expected of mankind to become. Underlining
what you said regarding co-creating, is Inanna's above post which I quote here i.e.
"..... I believe we are at a crossroads with this theory -not that I fully agree with the Secret's theory - ie we
attract what we reflect, however I do believe there is a point of reckoning with the fateful traditional and theco-creating ability we now have to move beyond a limited perspective of fate and cause and effect. "Back to top

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #8 - on: 18.04.2009 at 00:52 [UT+1] »Quote from Jen J. on 17.04.2009 at 01:18 [UT+1]:
And if it is, then what could be the astrological pointer to indicate what that next level would be, and thus show in which direction, withwhat necessary transformation, we can direct ourselves to the process?

Recognising illusion/delusion is dependent on dissolving attachment to belief, thought or ideas that one has

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about anything. Therefore moving on from illusion is a very mercurial thing. Being able to recognise that one's
beliefs are a simple illusionary construct will be the next step in conscious evolution. After all a belief is anattachment to an idea, a thought, individual or collective.

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #9 - on: 18.04.2009 at 20:15 [UT+1] »[quote author=Mrs Emu link=1239927538/0#8 date=1240012326
Recognising illusion/delusion is dependent on dissolving attachment to belief, thought or ideas that one has
about anything. Therefore moving on from illusion is a very mercurial thing. Being able to recognise that one's
beliefs are a simple illusionary construct will be the next step in conscious evolution. After all a belief is anattachment to an idea, a thought, individual or collective.
Posts: 4286[/quote]I have a problem with understanding your meaning of Belief being Reality and hence an ATTACHMENT? ... and,secondly, I refered to Saturnian Reality, i.e. reality as we in the world know Life around us, and live in theworld: so, I would not call Reality a "BELIEF", neither Reality being an ATTACHMENT TO AN IDEA.
However, I do agree that Belief, or Dogma, per se, can be an attachment as you put it, and hence be subject todisillusonment when the IDEA/THOUGHT proves to be fantasy.
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MemberEVOLUTIO« Reply #10 - on: 18.04.2009 at 22:25 [UT+1] »Belief: noun, something accepted as true
My opinion is that our beliefs form a considerable part of our illusion. Beliefs are the attachment to an idea that
we consider true or real. Whether it is a religious or spiritual belief, political belief, educational belief or any
belief we have, based on either information we have been given or our empirical experience. our beliefs help todefine us and what is real or not real for us. We believe what we think.

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I am saying the next evolution of consciousness of man will be to understand that our conditioned andautomatic interpretation of our thoughts is the illusion. By thought I mean spontaneous thought not directedthought. Directed thought is "how do I make this?" "what shall I get for dinner". Spontaneous thought is therolling mental conversation that arises from the well of the unconscious seemingly effortlessly and endlessly
passing judgements, offering criticism, fear, worry and anxiety. One of the biggests illusions we have is fear.
Fear comes rolling out of our subconscious mind, into our thoughts and is real to us. We respond as if it is real,
our body interprets it is real. Yet most fear is a "false expectation of an assumed reality". The illusion is that we
believe our fearful thought. I am referring to the mass experience of daily fears that we all have that is a false
expectation. I am not referring to the fear that arises when we are under a direct threat or danger.
Thus I feel that taking our C to a deeper level will help dispel illusion as we move forward in conscious
awareness.

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #11 - on: 23.04.2009 at 22:39 [UT+1] »The karmic wheel is moving at an accerated speed. The OP's just been discovered in recent centuries, Saturn isthe line to view what the outer P mean. People are confused because the assimalation of these planets is new.
It is moving faster because of the line up of planets in 2012 December
What do these planets mean to your Saturn values?

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TorgnyEx Member

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #12 - on: 23.04.2009 at 23:07 [UT+1] »Mrs Emu - I found your words so true and wise. We are so often cheated by our illusions and delusions, and thenext great challenge and step in evolution has probably a lot to do with understanding the difference illusionsreality. And as you say, we are often unaware of our illusions, believing them to be reality.
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EVOLUTIO« Reply #13 - on: 24.04.2009 at 17:04 [UT+1] »Just a little input here, re the interpretations of Belief v Reality ... There's always the danger of personal"subjective" opinions being given/accepted as Real, based on the other's state of Belief! So, to try to stay"objective" (whatever that REALLY is?!) I'd say that Emotions (Fear,etc) are subjective, and lead to subjective
conditioning/judgementalness/BELIEFS, as you outlined, yes. However, when someone tells me that in
REALITY the earth is round, and it revolves around the sun.... that's objective REALITY, not subjective BELIEF.
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And so, when I talk about Saturn's REALITY I mean objective reality, not subjective beliefs.
Therefore I do agree that Belief, or Dogma, being Emotion-originating, would generate attachments, fears,
illusions, as you put it, and hence be subject to disillusonment when the IDEA/BELIEF proves to be
EMOTIONAL, SUBJECTIVE, FANTASY.
However, to come away from this being a mere debate of Subjective v Objective "Reality", I was asking for any
astrological "brainstorming" about forthcoming planetary transits which would be our indicators for theevolution of our Consciousness.
And my having initially suggested that it's Saturn's Reality which seems to have been illusory ( I quote myoriginal thread: Saturn's reality-boundaries are being tested (OnG) : The whole structure (j) of what our
inner emotional security is symbolised by, being the stability of the Financial Marketplace (j, and G), isshown for what it actually is, as stable as quicksand!) ... I now realise what I said, and given what Mrs Emu
has outlined, that our "inner EMOTIONAL security" is ACTUALLY the SUBJECTIVITY of our collective Conscious
upon which we have constructed the so-called "stability" of the Financial Marketplace, and which is as stable as
quicksand!!! ... i.e. based on FEAR!!
Well, on reflection, all the psychological paradigms about Emotion being projected/symbolised in the Financial
market-place spring to mind - and it also seems a known fact that the ups and downs of the Market really are
EMOTIONAL-driven!!
Ok, I now understand whence my squewed interpretation of Saturn being the "illusionist"!!

because I

interpreted G's Reality as being not what we thought it was.... whereas, it is WE who have delusionallyconstructed this financial so-called stability not from Capricorn's Objective Reality but from the sign opposite it,
our Cancerian Subjective Reality based on EMOTIONS.
If I can get a "consensus of opinion" here on at least being on the right track now in understanding where the
Global Crunch actually originated/was based - i.e. our d input, then is it fair to say that J transiting j is
our Canceriand wake-up call to Conscious evolution?
So, bottom line is that it's our collective EMOTIONAL condition which is to be transformed. I'd be so interested
to hear from the strongly Capricornian, or anyone who can objectively assess and interpret the impact of what
results would be if PLUTO WERE IN ... CANCER !!!!?????????? I think we need to go there, if we want to look
INSIDE, into our EMOTIONAL BODY, and find out why we are so FEARFUL, or perhaps we generally are not
fearful but only ALLOW ourselves to be INFLUENCED by manipulators of our emotions, to the point where weall buy in to the Financial Security ILLUSION, as we appear to have recently done!!! ??????

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #14 - on: 24.04.2009 at 17:19 [UT+1] »As you suggest, discussions about what is reality-illusion may polarise us en endless discussions. But I am as
convinced as you that fear is probably the greatest breeder of illusions and delusion. And if we all try to accept,
confront and dissolve our fears, illusions will slowly but gradually vanish. This is for me probably the next stepfor the collective of humanity to evolve. When fear is dissolving, we will be more in tune with reality.
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Jen J.

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #15 - on: 24.04.2009 at 17:52 [UT+1] »Quote from Torgny on 24.04.2009 at 17:19 [UT+1]:
As you suggest, discussions about what is reality-illusion may polarise us en endless discussions. But I am as convinced as you that fear is
probably the greatest breeder of illusions and delusion. And if we all try to accept, confront and dissolve our fears, illusions will slowly but
gradually vanish. This is for me probably the next step for the collective of humanity to evolve. When fear is dissolving, we will be morein tune with reality.

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Thank you Torgny for encapsulating my long-winded thought-process!! FEAR IS THE FRONTIER!!! OK. Whatto do... to begin sowing good, strong "seeds" which will outnumber the weeds of doubt???
It really ought to do mainly with SELF-CONFIDENCE to begin with???
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EVOLUTIO« Reply #16 - on: 30.04.2009 at 21:48 [UT+1] »This is a good discussion, thanks Jen
Fear and Saturn, I just wonder if Saturn can claim the whole domain of Fear.
Neptune may create quite a few delusions and illusions where fear may manifest from.
Pluto digs up anything and everything

Pluto in Cap knocks down structures that no longer serve the collective which creates fear for some.
People cling to outworn ideas, beliefs, structures because they give an illusion of safety.
The outer planets going through the universal signs are giving the human race what we need to do. Pluto islast. This has happened before and as always astrology and life are cycles.
Emotional clean up act, could be>
The other side of Capricorn is Pan, the spiritual Cap.
Goats like to climb to the top, but if not aware of the internal values of the spiritual the peak is very lonely andnot really productive to anyone.
This is a wild time. Children killing people. I could almost believe anything someone would say anymore about
people.
The stelliums produce unbalances for years to come in people and events. Kind off track here, but the Cap
stellium in the late eightys is coming to life in a few ways. The Virginia Tech guy who shot all the classmates
had a poor
moon. all the planets against his emotions.
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EVOLUTIO« Reply #17 - on: 30.04.2009 at 22:40 [UT+1] »Quote from Jen J. on 24.04.2009 at 17:52 [UT+1]:
Thank you Torgny for encapsulating my long-winded thought-process!! FEAR IS THE FRONTIER!!! OK. What to do... to begin sowing good,strong "seeds" which will outnumber the weeds of doubt???
It really ought to do mainly with SELF-CONFIDENCE to begin with???

I think that you are right on the spot. The best way to face fear is to (accept that it exists) and to plant seedsof trust, hope or whatever. This will slowly start to dissolve our fears.
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EVOLUTIO« Reply #18 - on: 03.05.2009 at 20:04 [UT+1] »Fear and anger, not much difference. Hate to disagree, but just simply sowing seeds of trust is not the answer
unless the earth or soil is ready.
You cannot simply ignore fear or hate, brush them aside. They are real emotions that should be honered withrespect, the are pointers to love in an odd way. Fear dissolves when anger is honored and acknowledged anddealt with.
Saturn is soil which combines mars and venus, personal planets

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EVOLUTIO« Reply #19 - on: 03.05.2009 at 20:25 [UT+1] »Quote from MaryB on 03.05.2009 at 20:04 [UT+1]:

Fear and anger, not much difference. Hate to disagree, but just simply sowing seeds of trust is not the answer unless the earth or soil isready.
You cannot simply ignore fear or hate, brush them aside. They are real emotions that should be honered with respect, the are pointers tolove in an odd way. Fear dissolves when anger is honored and acknowledged and dealt with.
Saturn is soil which combines mars and venus, personal planets

I agree, fears and hate (that are similar, what we try to avoid) are signposts. They help us to find the way oflove, or they may lead us into the path of darkness.
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EVOLUTIO« Reply #20 - on: 03.05.2009 at 20:35 [UT+1] »Seems like we have choices, we always do.
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Re: Are we at the cross-road of CONSCIOUS
EVOLUTIO« Reply #21 - on: 03.05.2009 at 23:34 [UT+1] »Quote from MaryB on 03.05.2009 at 20:04 [UT+1]:

Fear and anger, not much difference. Hate to disagree, but just simply sowing seeds of trust is not the answer unless the earth or soil isready.
You cannot simply ignore fear or hate, brush them aside. They are real emotions that should be honered with respect, the are pointers to

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love in an odd way. Fear dissolves when anger is honored and acknowledged and dealt with.
Saturn is soil which combines mars and venus, personal planets

Fully agree with you MaryB. It can best be illustrated with the ancient Greek myth about the Erinyes: The
Erinyes were 3 sisters in Greek mythology: Alecto("the angry"), Megaera("the grudging") and Tisiphone("theavenger"). They were known as the Furies :" ... Earth goddesses who symbolized the divine vengeance, the Furies were created from the blood of the Titan
Uranus, when his son Cronus castrated him to take revenge on the loss of his siblings. The Erinyes werepersecuting crimes such as disrespect, injustice, perjury or arrogance and-first and foremost- murder, especiallythe murder inside a family. Their lust of punishment knew no bounds, for they kept punishing a sinner evenafter his death, until he finally would show remorse. "Which I quote here in agreement MaryB (... Fear dissolves when anger is honored and acknowledged and dealt
with.) , and it also highlights what I concluded my previous post withi.e. ...It really ought to do mainly with SELF-CONFIDENCE to begin with??? ...
What I figure "remorse" to be is not so much contrition TO someone as much as contrition to one's OWN Soul,from whence the "furies"originate. Thence, attention to SELF-confidence being paramount, and to that
contribution can be made, seeds can be sown, towards creating it within OUR OWN mind-set.
I'm reminded about a story I heard along the way, goes something like:
There are two pictures, of Heaven and Hell :In Hell, there is a long, very wide dining table around which are sitting very thin, unhappy people. Despite
there being food on the table, the spoons have such long handles that the individuals are unable to put the
food into their mouths.
In Heaven, there is the same long, very wide dining table, and the same long spoons. But seated around it are
happy, well-fed people...

they are all feeding EACH OTHER with the long spoons ACROSS the table!

Fear, Anger, Hate, would be the Hell picture ... and Self-Confidence would be best learned from the Heaven
picture. It's only when we acknowledge our SELF in the OTHER, that we can begin to treat each other the way
we ourself would like to be treated.
First and foremost, and always ... the GOLDEN RULE applies.

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