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Adam9
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Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« on: 03.08.2008 at 13:54 [UT+1] »I want to research some charts of topmodels
What makes them beautiful astrologically...
I don't find them so beautiful mostly, I like thin girls but not to thin
http://www.astrotheme.fr/portraits/JgZhFp62U7Sj.htm
Currently Woman of France, there's doubt if she's born in 1967 or 1968
http://www.astrotheme.fr/portraits/NLMYUp54652S.htm
Naomi Campbell
http://www.astrotheme.fr/portraits/Pq4XQEL774ET.htm
Linda Evangelista
http://www.astrotheme.fr/portraits/V3LFv4Z5UjSt.htm
Kate Moss
http://www.astrotheme.fr/portraits/3P36JnDW37h6.htm
Claudia Schiffer
http://www.astrotheme.fr/portraits/7Y4YMSNQh32h.htm
Christy Turlington
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Re: Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« Reply #1 - on: 03.08.2008 at 14:11 [UT+1] »What I noticed is that all of them have hI.

.Except Kate Moss that has iI but B in h.

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Adam9
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« Reply #2 - on: 03.08.2008 at 14:16 [UT+1] »I just picked some of an older, former generation, cause I didn't find models of this generation or I don't know
names of them... so if someone wants to share data of current models, welcome
Also if someone wants to add a chart of a designer, also welcome
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« Reply #3 - on: 03.08.2008 at 15:41 [UT+1] »Not exactly a supermodel, she won a lot of beauty contests, and died aged six.

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« Reply #4 - on: 03.08.2008 at 15:44 [UT+1] »There is also a chart of a "top" model given by Lois Rodden, chart of Kathy Ford. I have never heard of her, butother people might have. February 11th 1940, 5.30, Belding MI.

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Re: Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« Reply #5 - on: 03.08.2008 at 15:58 [UT+1] »Successful models need a tall, lean body and a unique face that is photogenic and can carry a lot of make-up.
So yeah, Venus/Neptune with some Saturn/Uranus.
Gisele Bundchen has a Cap ASC, Venus MC, Uranus/Sun trine a and Venus, Saturn, Neptune T-Square.
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« Reply #6 - on: 03.08.2008 at 16:04 [UT+1] »I've done some modeling in college.After earning the money I need it to continue my studies I end it.I hate it
this world,shallow and superficial.I have eDpOq MC qC(the ruler of my A and AC)nM(5 thhouse),hBmJmGpAEqI.

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Pamela YoungEx Member

Re: Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« Reply #7 - on: 03.08.2008 at 16:20 [UT+1] »Quote from trans on 03.08.2008 at 14:11 [UT+1]:
What I noticed is that all of them havehI.

.Except Kate Moss that has

iI but B in h.

The sign Scorpio does seem to be the common factor; interesting, I'd have expected Libra or maybe Taurus.
I'm attaching charts for two more super-models - I think they were actually the first to be called that: Jean
Shrimpton was the very first, in the mid 60s, and then she was replaced by Twiggy in the late 60s. Jean
Shrimpton's birth time comes from her autobiography, while Twiggy's comes from Penny Thornton's book,"Romancing the Stars"; Thornton rectified the time, after being told by Twiggy that she had been born "in thevery early hours of the morning." You can see that they both have Venus in Scorpio, while Shrimpton has her
Ascendant there too, as well as her Sun and Mars. Given the Scorpio emphasis in all the charts, it makes me
wonder if Twiggy's time is off a bit, and she may have had Scorpio on an angle. Same for the charts listed in
the initial post with unknown birth times, such as Linda Evangelista; all she has is Neptune in Scorpio, which isjust a generational marker - I'll bet anything she has Neptune on an angle, probably the Ascendant or MC.
Claudia Schiffer's chart is reminiscent of Jean Shrimpton's, and they do somewhat resemble each other, in
addition to both having been hugely successful.
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Pamela YoungEx Member

Re: Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« Reply #8 - on: 03.08.2008 at 16:22 [UT+1] »And here's Twiggy's chart (remember the time may be off somewhat):

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« Reply #9 - on: 03.08.2008 at 16:41 [UT+1] »I read in an article that there was a preponderance of models with O in air signs esp O in g

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Adam9Ex Member

Re: Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« Reply #10 - on: 03.08.2008 at 17:11 [UT+1] »Quote from vertex on 03.08.2008 at 16:41 [UT+1]:
I read in an article that there was a preponderance of models with

O in air signs esp O in g

Og was the generation from 1967 until 1974 approximately
Bruni yes
Turlington yes
Campbell yes
Schiffer yes
Evangelista 1965 virgo uranus
Moss yes
Tyra Banks yes
tyra presents american next topmodel or presented
scorpio mercury
But Pluto on the IC opposed Moon on the MC, Moon as ruler of the rising
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Pamela YoungEx Member

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« Reply #11 - on: 03.08.2008 at 17:55 [UT+1] »Everyone born between approximately October 1968 and September 1975 had Uranus in Libra; unless it's
somehow prominent for all supermodels e.g., on an angle, it wouldn't indicate anything in particular withregard to the fact that they were models. Same for Uranus in Gemini or Aquarius: if you get a run of models
with Uranus in those signs, you're just talking about a mini-generation of people.
I was expecting Libra or Taurus to be prominent, because of their rulership by Venus. It occurs to me that,using a sidereal zodiac, all positions in Scorpio change to Libra, instead. Something to chew on ...
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Krista ShippMember

Re: Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« Reply #12 - on: 03.08.2008 at 18:05 [UT+1] »I started modeling at 14.....
I was on a beach & an agency was test shooting..
While I never became a 'famous' name- I worked steadily in the industry for almost 40 years & may return as
an 'older' model < 'hot now in marketing>
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I was cosmetics, legs, bridal, & junior runway; print ads

Gender:Something in my planets affords me being a chameleon- I can 'look'many ways... Girl next door- to seductressThis is not something I would have sought out on my own..
While it started as a 'lark'- 2 years later it became a neccessity
when my dad became very ill- & I had my Sainted mom to take care of...
We just never know....
Is the BmMC what makes the camera 'love' me ?
My other design all involved photograpy- reaching the masses
I actually wanted to be a meteorologist- but education was cut short
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« Reply #13 - on: 03.08.2008 at 18:59 [UT+1] »I noticed that all of them have some things in common involving Venus, Mars, Neptune, Pluto and the nodes usually a nodal square. Virgo is associated with perfection/a goddess, Neptune a sex symbol/fantasy/ideal andphotography - connects with the pubic.
Carla Bruni Venus sq Mars
Venus cj Neptune
Asc sq nodes
Naomi Campbell Venus cj Mars
Venus/Mars sq Pluto
Neptune sq nodes
Kate Moss Venus trine Mars
Venus sq Neptune
Pluto sq nodes
Claudia Schiffer Mars sq Neptune
Sun/Uranus cj NNode
Neptune sq nodes
Linda Evangelista Mars cj Pluto sextile Neptune
Mars/Pluto square nodes
Christy Turlington Venus trine Mars
Venus sq Neptune
Uranus cj SNode
Giselle Bundchen Venus trine Pluto
Venus opp Neptune
Uranus sq nodes
Jean Shrimpton Venus cj Mars
Venus/Mars trine Pluto
Uranus sq nodes
Twiggy Venus sq Mars
Venus trine Uranus
Neptune cj SNodeKrista Shipp Venus sextile Mars/Uranus
Venus cj SNode
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Krista ShippMember

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« Reply #14 - on: 03.08.2008 at 19:26 [UT+1] »Michele,You don't think elevated moon < the masses> is a factor>>>

MuchLight,
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Michelle

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Re: Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« Reply #15 - on: 03.08.2008 at 19:38 [UT+1] »Krista, there weren't birth times given for many of the charts, so I think that would be hard to say, but thenodes certainly relate to the Moon. I was only looking for common ground among all the charts.

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Krista ShippMember

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« Reply #16 - on: 03.08.2008 at 20:58 [UT+1] »Thanx Much

KS

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« Reply #17 - on: 03.08.2008 at 22:04 [UT+1] »I agree - I think the Nodes represent the public, the mases.
(that aspect of the Moon)as always, I think definition of the problem is most imp here. top models are just as beautiful as other models
in the field. just as photogenic, or professional. they are just the lucky few that become known - famous.
so maybe we should try to figure out how 'fame' shows up in the chart. there are many theories - the nodes,
the AP, Pluto, the Moon, the 7th house, the MC, the Jupiter/Pluto midpoint maybe, others as well.
these models become known for different reasons too. elle mcphearson was 'the body' for swimsuits. twiggy
had that very specific look, and the hair. linda evangelista (I could be wrong) showed up in a few videos at the

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Gender:start of mtv - she was part of a group of models that mtv helped becopme famous. so - for each - we may finddifferent triggers - for instance, if we agree that the AP is about 'public projection', then maybe each might
have a different connection to the AP, or the sign may mean something.
sure - Neptune should show up since obviously their public personas contain a lot of 'magic'. they probably
aren't who/what we, the public think they are.
nevertheless, I think such a task requires a bit of research; our knowledge of them is simply not enough. theastrological combinations are infinite - so looking at the charts for comonalities is not the way to go. knowing
what to look for might help. knowing who they are in terms of public persona, for instance.

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Somnium
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« Reply #18 - on: 03.08.2008 at 22:25 [UT+1] »Neptune aspecting the ascendent is one factor. (or in 1st House)
Too bad we don't have Kate Moss' time of birth.
I think she's very pretty.

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Adam9

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Re: Topmodels... strong neptune and or venus?
« Reply #19 - on: 04.08.2008 at 08:12 [UT+1] »of all the models here i think Gisele is the most pretty
Kate Moss, i find sort of tacky, dunno why
Not cos of the sniff scandal of few years ago
I think the fame comes from a angular outer planet aspecting a personal planet...
Cris_meWhat's AP
KristaThe l Mc could work out in your favor as a model as you give off some sort of magic, enchantment when you
have to do modelling gigs... or model work
Pamela Young
May be i'm far off here, but I wonder
Twiggy was thin as ice... so couldn't she have a c rising
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Pamela YoungEx Member

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« Reply #20 - on: 04.08.2008 at 13:59 [UT+1] »"Twiggy was thin as ice, so couldn't she have a Gemini rising" - Adam
In principle maybe; I just reproduced the chart with the time that Penny Thornton came up with after
rectification. But since what Twiggy actually said was that she had been born "in the very early hours of themorning", it could have been earlier than the time Thornton has. Here's the chart again recalculated for justafter midnight, the earliest it could be and still be on that date, and as you can see Cancer is till the rising sign,
but Uranus has moved a lot closer to the Ascendant; maybe that could be a factor. Also, this chart puts Saturnright on the IC, closely sextiling the Ascendant; that could make her thin.
I do wonder, though, if her extreme thinness at the time of her early fame was more the result of some transit;
I haven't checked what the transits were back then, but she hasn't remained super-skinny like she was backthen. If that had been due to something in her natal, you'd think it wouldn't have changed.
Then again, this all assumes that Twiggy's own information about her birth time is correct.
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« Reply #21 - on: 04.08.2008 at 16:06 [UT+1] »Here is Cindy. Neptune plays a huge part in her chart, that's for sure..

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« Reply #22 - on: 04.08.2008 at 16:09 [UT+1] »I never understood why I is associated with attractiveness.

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« Reply #23 - on: 04.08.2008 at 16:17 [UT+1] »Well, I is the higher octane of D..maybe that's why..

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« Reply #24 - on: 04.08.2008 at 16:31 [UT+1] »I am mercurial so for me attractiveness is a O/C thing and I have hBmJ so for me,an attractive person
must transmit magnetic messages.Maybe because I know so many models I don't find them that interesting.I
look at the B also because I like people with strong emotions,people that are confident and are not week.For
me models are like a movie with no sound.And not from the 30'es.
.In a woman's chart I look for DB andin men's for AE and I like J also.But this is just my view.Beauty is useless for me if is not subbed.

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« Reply #25 - on: 04.08.2008 at 16:50 [UT+1] »I guess, fashion designers want these etherial women to show their creations because they embody some otherworldly perfection. It's a form of art. Even those who can buy the most expensive designer clothes won't lookgood in them (most of them). It's paradox. If you wanna look like models you won't have enough strength to
go on with your daily life. So it's not a healthy beauty.
Think of Gwyneth Paltrow...with her l Asc and I on Mc...lucky her F is in j and D in e, so she has a lot of
willpower finally.
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« Reply #26 - on: 04.08.2008 at 18:13 [UT+1] »Jerry Hall and Christie Brinkley were popular models in the 70's and 80's.
http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/fh39234SQwfs.htm
http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/7wL9R6a9jKHy.htm
Krista, what in your chart do you think points to the longevity of your career? 40 years in that business isamazing!
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MemberMoon, to Krista« Reply #27 - on: 04.08.2008 at 18:41 [UT+1] »Krista,
You asked:
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BmMC what makes the camera 'love' me ?

Yes, B is associated with "the people", so a person with B (the people) m (energy is combined with) MC (outerworld) put themselves out in the world in front of the people in some way. This also indicates political abilities
as well.
Mooning,
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Pamela YoungEx Member

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« Reply #28 - on: 04.08.2008 at 19:38 [UT+1] »I'm going to attach the charts of four women who were all very successful models: Farrah Fawcett, Cybill
Shepherd, Kim Basinger, and Cheryl Tiegs. All but Cheryl Tiegs went on to achieve considerable success acting
in films.
People the age of Adam (who started this thread) may not remember when these women were really famous,
but they were household names. A photo taken of Farrah Fawcett, which I believe was originally taken toadvertise shampoo, was made into a poster which you couldn't go anywhere without seeing; supposedly it washung in college boys' rooms all over the USA. Cheryl Tiegs was annoyed when she heard this, so she had aphoto taken of herself more revealing than Farrah's, with the express purpose of making it into a poster tocompete with Farrah's; to hear her tell it, she "won".
Cheryl Tiegs said in an interview years ago, "I'm a nice person and it shows," meaning that she looks the way
she does BECAUSE she's a nice person. That burned me up no end and still does, because the logical inference
from that statement is that people who don't happen to be as physically attractive as Cheryl Tiegs are NOT nicepeople. This just really bugs me. Who the hell does she think she is?! And Naomi Campbell and Linda
Evangelista: they used to hang out together years ago when they were new and very hot, and one of them, I
forget which, said, "I won't even get out of bed for less than ten thousand dollars." That was ten thousand
dollars a day!! Grrr. Something's seriously out of whack here, when society rewards people so inordinately foran accident of genetics.
Anyway, looking over the charts, it's interesting that both Farrah Fawcett and Cheryl Tiegs have Cancer risingand Pisces on the MC. In fact, a lot of these models do; not all, but a lot. And/or the Moon is very prominent,
and/or the sign Scorpio is somehow emphasized. Looks like the element Water is important, for being able toidentify with the public and reflect back to them what they want to see. Even Naomi Campbell, who I would
not have called empathetic (to make the understatement of the century), has Neptune in Scorpio conjunct theMC.
Here come the charts; first Farrah Fawcett:
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Pamela YoungEx Member

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« Reply #29 - on: 04.08.2008 at 19:39 [UT+1] »And Cybill Shepherd:

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Pamela YoungEx Member

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« Reply #30 - on: 04.08.2008 at 19:40 [UT+1] »And Kim Basinger:

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Pamela YoungEx Member

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« Reply #31 - on: 04.08.2008 at 19:41 [UT+1] »And Cheryl Tiegs:

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« Reply #32 - on: 04.08.2008 at 20:24 [UT+1] »PamelaKim Basinger is one of my most favourite actresses
I loved her performance in 'my stephmother is an alien (with Dan ackroyd)' and 'L.A. confidential (with Russell
Crowe)'
But I didn't know she was a model also
And it was Linda Ev. who said the ten thousand dollar/ day comment
Her Sun sign: Ab
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« Reply #33 - on: 04.08.2008 at 20:35 [UT+1] »Quote from Adam9 on 04.08.2008 at 20:24 [UT+1]:
And it was Linda Ev. who said the ten thousand dollar/ day comment
Her Sun sign:Ab

Yeah, that figures.
I thought Kim Basinger was good in 'LA Confidential' too, though personally I preferred to watch Russell
Crowe; now THAT'S what I call a looker!
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Adam9
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« Reply #34 - on: 04.08.2008 at 20:41 [UT+1] »Quote from Pamela Young on 04.08.2008 at 20:35 [UT+1]:
Quote from Adam9 on 04.08.2008 at 20:24 [UT+1]:
And it was Linda Ev. who said the ten thousand dollar/ day comment
Her Sun sign:Ab

Yeah, that figures.
I thought Kim Basinger was good in 'LA Confidential' too, though personally I preferred to watch Russell Crowe; now THAT'S what I call alooker!

I can understand from your point of view
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« Reply #35 - on: 04.08.2008 at 21:11 [UT+1] »AP=Aries Point the 00Ari + all cardinal signs
some astrologers think that any planet/point in a natal chart that is within 1 dgr orb of the AP will become
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« Reply #36 - on: 05.08.2008 at 00:20 [UT+1] »Quote from Michelle on 04.08.2008 at 18:13 [UT+1]:
Jerry Hall and Christie Brinkley were popular models in the 70's and 80's.
http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/fh39234SQwfs.htm
http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/7wL9R6a9jKHy.htm
Krista, what in your chart do you think points to the longevity of your career? 40 years in that business is amazing!

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Gender:I started with junior runway, teenage products- seggwayed into bridal & legs- then cosmetics...
For some reason- England based companies favoured me- Mary Quant, Yardley- etc...
Catalog work can span a long time & did..
A well known 60;s model- older than myself- mentioned above ,took me under her wing.
" You have to have more going on than the skin you're standing in"
My love of crafts led to needlecraft design- published by 25 &artwork- Childrens characters- geared to licensing really gelled
after my first G return....
I am now working on an unusual <Omassc> line of greeting cards, T-shirts- etc...
Licensing has gotten harder with Disney & Dreamworks really dominating the field- but there is still room for
we freelancers..
I have never had any formal training- except for acting: I am selftaught in crafts & artwork....
I am far from the best artist in the world- but am blessed with an instinct for coming trends; impulse salesetc...
You have likely put your coffee cup on my face & legs many times
in 'stuffers' that come with your dept store bill & print work..catalogs
My love life has been wonderful- horrible- not uncommon in the industry..
2 models should NEVER marry- did that twice
MuchLight & Fond of my afflicted I,
KristaPS- Notice the preponderance of d,f,& l in this industry?
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« Reply #37 - on: 05.08.2008 at 00:26 [UT+1] »Quote from cris_me on 04.08.2008 at 21:11 [UT+1]:
AP=Aries Point the 00Ari + all cardinal signs
some astrologers think that any planet/point in a natal chart that is within 1 dgr orb of the AP will become public

Can you explain a bit more about this ??
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As man of you know- Farrah is very ill... I pray the planets are with her

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« Reply #38 - on: 05.08.2008 at 04:03 [UT+1] »Re Jonbenet Ramsey:
Quote from VirgoMoon on 03.08.2008 at 15:41 [UT+1]:
Not exactly a supermodel, she won a lot of beauty contests, and died aged six.

Actually, her birth time is known, from the book written by her parents. Look at the Moon right on the MC;
ironically, the only planet in Scorpio she had was Pluto.
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« Reply #39 - on: 05.08.2008 at 04:08 [UT+1] »The first American super-model to be called that was Gia Carangi, in the late 70s and early 80s. Her reign was
brief; she died at 26 of Aids on November 18, 1986 at 10:00 am in Philadlephia. I haven't been able to find abirth time for her, and even her place of birth is in dispute: most sources give Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in theUSA, while Astrotheme says it was Delft in the Netherlands.
Regardless, her chart is interesting. I put her Sun on the Ascendant as I always do when the birth time isunknown; notice the close square to Neptune in Scorpio. I wouldn't be surprised if Neptune is angular; shepractically embodied Neptune in Scorpio.
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« Reply #40 - on: 05.08.2008 at 04:13 [UT+1] »In the movie about her life, Gia was played by Angelina Jolie. Here's her chart; now THAT'S what I would haveexpected for a super-model! Venus in Cancer exactly conjunct the Ascendant, and exactly square Uranus in
Libra, plus the Moon conjunct the MC and Jupiter, with the latter exactly conjunct the MC. And yet I don't
think she ever modelled; she went straight into acting, as far as I know. But you can sure see why she's
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« Reply #41 - on: 05.08.2008 at 09:45 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 05.08.2008 at 00:26 [UT+1]:
Quote from cris_me on 04.08.2008 at 21:11 [UT+1]:
AP=Aries Point the 00Ari + all cardinal signs
some astrologers think that any planet/point in a natal chart that is within 1 dgr orb of the AP will become public

Can you explain a bit more about this ??
ThanxMuch,KS
As man of you know- Farrah is very ill... I pray the planets are with her

Is Farrah still with the father of her youngest son?

dfl, well, seem very feminine signs to me so doesn't surprise me at all
Would it be another way around with male models? But does anyone know a famous male model by name?
Gia
Saw the movie about it, I found it a good performance of Angelina J
Her only dispositor was Saturn almost, except that Jupiter in Sag... almost
I know a few Fi persons (they're from 1983, i'm from 1985) they don't sem to have moderation inanything... that could indeed be a downfall
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« Reply #42 - on: 05.08.2008 at 13:21 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 05.08.2008 at 00:20 [UT+1]:
My love of crafts led to needlecraft design...PS- Notice the preponderance of

d,f,& l in this industry?

Krista, I can really see your Pisces Moon conjunct NNode, MC and more at work in your chart. You're very
creative! Your 12th House Uranus does trine your Pisces Moon/NNode. I think you're right about theprominent Moon.
I can't remember the Yardley/Mary Quant ads precisely, but I remember I loved them and because of it the very
first lipstick I ever bought was Yardley lol. It would be fun to see one of your favorite ads.
I don't know if someone already mentioned this, but what about Saturn/Capricorn/10th House in these charts?
It seems to be prominent too. To be a model you have to have great hair, teeth, skin, bones, posture and betall and thin.
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Angelina Jolie was the model for St. John in ads for a few years recently.
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« Reply #43 - on: 05.08.2008 at 13:31 [UT+1] »I have A-10 th housepG,nice hair,very good teeth,tall,thin and clean skin....and a lot of modesty.

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« Reply #44 - on: 05.08.2008 at 13:37 [UT+1] »Quote from Michelle on 05.08.2008 at 13:21 [UT+1]:
Angelina Jolie was the model for St. John in ads for a few years recently.

Aha! There you go; thanks, Michelle.
Because I've been doing a lot of thinking lately about which zodiac gives more accurate results, tropical or
sidereal, I had a look at Angelina's chart using a Vedic sidereal zodiac and whole signs. Notice she still has
Cancer rising with this chart, and Venus in Cancer conjunct the Ascendant, but her MC shifts to Pisces, alongwith her Moon, Jupiter and Mars. Uranus is still in Libra, but Neptune shifts to Scorpio. Sun and Mercury arestill in the 11th house, but change to Taurus instead of Gemini; while Saturn is still in the 12th but is now in
Gemini instead of Cancer.
I actually think this may be a better reflection of her personality and character; certainly with Moon and Jupiterconjunct a Pisces MC, and Neptune now in Scorpio, it fits being a model better. But since she hasn't reallymade her name as a model but rather as an actress, maybe the tropical chart is right after all; I wish I could
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« Reply #45 - on: 05.08.2008 at 13:54 [UT+1] »Is interesting that she has K in the 5 th house,the house of children among others and she does a great job
raising so many children.

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« Reply #46 - on: 05.08.2008 at 14:20 [UT+1] »Aries MC and Pluto in Libra opp Mars/Moon in Aries - Angelina does play a lot of "Amazon" types, fighters,
killers, very physical, action characters. The 5th House Sag NNode with the ruler in the 9th does fit with who
she's become more so than a Scorpio NNode imo - a pilot, her international work, the children she adopts fromforeign countries (also shown by 5th House Neptune in Sag), etc.
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« Reply #47 - on: 05.08.2008 at 15:10 [UT+1] »Yes, you can make it work either way. The Moon and Mars in Aries oppositon Pluto and Uranus certainly fits;
when she was younger, she was very into knives and cutting herself. Also into other Plutonian type things. She
has Sun and Mercury in the 11th house in either zodiac, which fits her interest in world causes; opposite
Neptune in the 5th, her particular interest in children is shown. And of course, the nodal axis; you may be rightthat a Sag North Node is more fitting for her interests.
Well, like I said, I still can't decide; I've always gone with the tropical zodiac, but an event that befell me
recently that couldn't be explained with my tropical chart was easily explained with the sidereal chart. Go
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« Reply #48 - on: 05.08.2008 at 15:13 [UT+1] »Angelina used to model as a teenager before she became an actress.

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« Reply #49 - on: 05.08.2008 at 15:20 [UT+1] »Yes, thank you Vertex; I think Michelle mentioned that.

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« Reply #50 - on: 05.08.2008 at 15:44 [UT+1] »re: Angelina- another d asc & l moon !!!

seems SO prevalent !!!

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« Reply #51 - on: 05.08.2008 at 15:49 [UT+1] »t seems to be prominent too. To be a model you have to have great hair, teeth, skin, bones, posture and betall and thin. ~~~writes Michelle

It's an odd thing that i'm only 5'7- but give a much taller appearancealways have....long legged
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« Reply #52 - on: 05.08.2008 at 16:05 [UT+1] »Krista,I'd love to see your ads, too. Any chance you still have some you could post?
I have ad asc am l A & l MC with h B & h I

In fact I'm not sure what I'm good at.

but not a model

too many grand trines cause laziness I understand.

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« Reply #53 - on: 05.08.2008 at 16:09 [UT+1] »I'll trade you my T-square for your grand trines........

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« Reply #54 - on: 05.08.2008 at 16:15 [UT+1] »I have a couple of t-squares myself!
and a venus opposition neptune in my kite I'd gladly trade for just about anything ...
am coveting your long legs right now as well.
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« Reply #55 - on: 05.08.2008 at 17:24 [UT+1] »Hey guys, if we're talking about our own charts, as it happens I also have Cancer rising with Moon in Cancer,
and also Uranus in Cancer bang on the Ascendant. Pisces is on the MC, and I have a Pisces North Node as well.
Also, ruler of the 10th house, Neptune, is in the 5th house in Libra, and Mars in Scorpio is there too. Plus,
Venus is in the 7th on the Descendant. And I'm not a model, super or otherwise; I do envy Krista her longlegs, however!
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« Reply #56 - on: 05.08.2008 at 17:34 [UT+1] »Quote from Pamela Young on 05.08.2008 at 17:24 [UT+1]:
Hey guys, if we're talking about our own charts, as it happens I also have Cancer rising with Moon in Cancer, and Pisces on the MC with a
Pisces North Node as well. Also, ruler of the 10th house, Neptune, is in the 5th house in Libra, and Mars in Scorpio is there too. Plus,
Venus is in the 7th on the Descendant. And I'm not a model, super or otherwise; I do envy Krista her long legs, however!

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« Reply #57 - on: 05.08.2008 at 17:37 [UT+1] »You said it, Sea Goddess! I'm only 5'4", alas.

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« Reply #58 - on: 05.08.2008 at 17:44 [UT+1] »According to an article I read, many models have Sagittarius Rising.

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« Reply #59 - on: 05.08.2008 at 17:54 [UT+1] »Quote from vertex on 05.08.2008 at 17:44 [UT+1]:
According to an article I read, many models have Sagittarius Rising.

Show us your ads then
EDIT (you've got i rising, don't you?)
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« Reply #60 - on: 05.08.2008 at 18:20 [UT+1] »Specs for leg modeling- calf- no more than 7" larger than ankle
Thigh 7-8 " larger than calf....
Ideally the leg is long from knee to ankle

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« Reply #61 - on: 05.08.2008 at 18:52 [UT+1] »Quote from Adam009 on 05.08.2008 at 17:54 [UT+1]:
Quote from vertex on 05.08.2008 at 17:44 [UT+1]:
According to an article I read, many models have Sagittarius Rising.

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i rising, don't you?)I'm a glaring exception to this "rule".... I'm only 4'11"
Sag risings are usually tall...
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« Reply #62 - on: 05.08.2008 at 22:43 [UT+1] »Quote from vertex on 05.08.2008 at 18:52 [UT+1]:
Quote from Adam009 on 05.08.2008 at 17:54 [UT+1]:
Quote from vertex on 05.08.2008 at 17:44 [UT+1]:
According to an article I read, many models have Sagittarius Rising.

Show us your ads then
EDIT (you've got

i rising, don't you?)I'm a glaring exception to this "rule".... I'm only 4'11"
Sag risings are usually tall...

Do ppl estimate you taller?
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« Reply #63 - on: 06.08.2008 at 02:57 [UT+1] »Yeah, I look much taller than I am.
I actually have freakishly short calves/feet, but rest of me is pretty long. Long neck, torso, thighs, arms,
fingers. When I sit, I look like a tall (or average to tall) person.
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« Reply #64 - on: 06.08.2008 at 14:27 [UT+1] »Quote from vertex on 06.08.2008 at 02:57 [UT+1]:
Yeah, I look much taller than I am.
I actually have freakishly short calves/feet, but rest of me is pretty long. Long neck, torso, thighs, arms, fingers. When I sit, I look like atall (or average to tall) person.

That's also i rising (and may be e rising too)... if you aren't tall, people think you seem taller then you reallyare (in contradiction to j rising, ppl estimate them shoter)i rising can also be clumsy
So if you see a fashion show on the news and you see a model falling off the runway, she must have i rising or
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« Reply #65 - on: 06.08.2008 at 14:53 [UT+1] »Quote from Pamela Young on 05.08.2008 at 15:10 [UT+1]:...she was very into knives and cutting herself. Also into other Plutonian type things.

Oh, yeah, and the blood vial she wore lol. She's changed from using that Mars/Pluto energy in a destructive
way to using it in a constructive way by putting herself in danger going to war-torn corners of the world, using
her fame to attract attention to others' plights, bringing food and supplies. Well, a Gemini won't be the same
person today as they will be tomorrow.
I remember seeing a picture of her and her family celebrating one of the kids' birthdays on a beach and they
were playing some kind of war game with their faces and bodies painted in camouflage.
I can understand your dilemma because there are so many astrological systems, and they all seem to work.
Placidus and Koch work for my own chart equally well even though some of the planets change houses. I had
a Vedic reading and gave the wrong chart information, and the reading still applied and was very relevant. Go
figure!
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Do you remember the Yardley 'lip slickers' on a chain worn around the neck ???
Jeeeez- I feel like a fossil

Well, you don't look like a fossil! No, I don't remember the lipstick on a chain lol.

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« Reply #66 - on: 06.08.2008 at 14:59 [UT+1] »Quote from Michelle on 06.08.2008 at 14:53 [UT+1]:
I had a Vedic reading and gave the wrong chart information, and the reading still applied and was very relevant. Go figure!

Yikes! That's worrisome; that shouldn't happen. Somewhere on this site, I forget in which thread, there's alink posted to a video of a Vedic astrologer giving blind readings to several people, two of whom had their birthinformation switched unbeknownst to them or the astrologer. When he interpreted the wrong charts bothpeople said they were very wrong, but when the right charts were interpreted for them they were both veryright. It was extremely impressive; wish I could remember where that link is.
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« Reply #67 - on: 06.08.2008 at 20:15 [UT+1] »Gemma Ward, one of the top models of today, was born on November 3, 1987 in Perth, Australia (timeunknown). She has Sun conjunct Pluto in Scorpio (Venus is also in Scorp, unaspected).
I've attached a picture of her.
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« Reply #68 - on: 06.08.2008 at 20:23 [UT+1] »Toddler look - very much in fashion these days...

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« Reply #70 - on: 07.08.2008 at 17:37 [UT+1] »Amowls, thank you for the picture of Gemma Ward, and Adam, thank you for her chart. I must admit I had
never heard of her, but she's certainly model material, going by her face, anyway. And her chart - all that
Scorpio: Sun exactly conjunct Pluto in Scorpio, and Venus in Scorpio as well. It's sure too bad we don't know
her birth time; her Moon is definitely in Aries no matter what time she was born, but it would be interesting tosee if she had Cancer rising and Pisces on the MC. She looks very Piscean or Neptunian to me.

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« Reply #71 - on: 07.08.2008 at 17:44 [UT+1] »Here's a picture of Pattie Boyd, formerly wife of both Eric Clapton and Beatle George Harrison, back in hermodelling heyday; to me she has the same general look as Gemma Ward.

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« Reply #72 - on: 07.08.2008 at 18:57 [UT+1] »I is associated with an ideal, an illusion and "smoke & mirrors". Which is an awful lot of what Modeling isabout. Not about showing the ugly truth of what those people go through to look the way they do nor the
doctoring that goes on with the photographs themselves.

I is also noted for being "the camera", TV, film, video....
Anyway, it seems all but one listed in the original post anyway have I in aspect to D,E or the MC.
Marilyn Monroe, noted during her time (and infamously), for her beauty had I in the 1st and Dm MC if I
recollect correctly.
When I had tr.I mA/DSC (obviously n my ASC), I had never been photographed so much in my life. My
picture wound up in a local paper, I was in a documentary, asked to be in a film, and requested that my photobe taken whilst dancing for an album cover.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the beauty that lies within cannot be captured with a camera, but I
definitely has something to do with the illusion, and perhaps coupled withD, Image in the arena of modelingand the world of Hollywood.
(I didn't get to read the entire thread thusfar, but just wanted to add that Angelina Jolie has InA as well).
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« Reply #73 - on: 07.08.2008 at 19:18 [UT+1] »That's true, wildflower; thanks.
Here's Pattie Boyd's chart; the time is unfortunately unknown. I put her Sun on the Ascendant as I always dowhen drawing up a chart for an unknown birth time, but I do wonder if she might have late Scorpio rising; thatwould put her Moon in the 1st house, Neptune in the 10th and Uranus in the 7th, which to me matches thefacts of her life.
She might never have become famous as a model had it not been for her becoming George Harrison's
girlfriend, but she certainly went on to practically embody Neptune for a bunch of men. Eric Clapton wrote thesongs "Layla" and "Wonderful Tonight" about her, and George Harrison wrote "Something" for her, the songwhich Frank Sinatra (of all people) called the most beautiful love song ever written (or something like that don't want Charlie Charles to jump on me for inaccuracy).
P.S. - Sorry, for some unknown reason I find that I am no longer able to attach charts to my posts. Perhaps
some Good Samaritan would post Pattie Boyd's chart? Here's her data: March 17, 1944, Taunton, England.
She has Sun, Mercury and Venus in Pisces, Moon in Sagittarius and Neptune in early Libra, making an out ofsign opposition to her Sun.
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« Reply #75 - on: 07.08.2008 at 20:07 [UT+1] »Wizard, thanks a million!

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« Reply #76 - on: 07.08.2008 at 20:07 [UT+1] »Somewhere there was a post about Pat and I compared her chart (indeed, I also use time unknown) with
George and Eric C... In both synastries there is strong link with DE
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