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Spiral 28
MemberPluto enters Capricorn on Friday« on: 22.01.2008 at 08:07 [UT] »Whether you advocate the USA chart for a.m. or p.m., Pluto in Capricorn in our natal chart is about money,
either our own in the 2nd or the money of others in the 8th.
On Friday, Pluto moves into Capricorn, where it visits until next summer, when it will retrograde briefly into
the autumn, before settling in Capricorn until 2023. Ruled by our Saturn in Libra squared by our Cancer
Sun, people get very cautious and paranoid when Pluto is at a hard angle to Capricorn, as evidenced in the
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Gender:mid - 1800's for the square and the 1930's for the opposition. At the same time, there has been an aura oflawlessness associated with this placement during the hard angles of Pluto transiting itself.
Pluto breaks down living structures and transforms them in a more simple composition. Back to the basics.
Stripped to the bone. Some sacrifice is necessary to rearrange priorities. Pluto has been in Sagittarius since
the middle 1990's. Now with the ending of the Sagittarius hopeful and positive energies, which have been wide
open and taking risks, people world wide are losing their confidence and their sense of optimism. This week it
deteriorates.
This week we see the rest of the world markets beginning to panic because of our looming Recession andeconomic problems. They had counted on this rich economy to keep them afloat. As Pluto enters Capricorn
this week, there should be a catalyst type energy to foreshadow what lies ahead for the next 15 years.
The Sabian symbol for 0 Capricorn says that we have to find power within ourselves in our own society, andwe have to stand up and exhibit a show of strength. Capricorn is a tough sign, as any pragmatism is, butwith extreme power comes the danger of extreme corruption and destruction.
My Jupiter is 0 Cancer, so Pluto opposing it brings a different set of expectations for me.

Where does

Capricorn fall within your own chart, and what transformation might it make there?
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Miss Rexie

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #1 - on: 22.01.2008 at 08:59 [UT] »Very good post.
My natal moon, at 0.26* taurus, in 11 house, will be contacted by Pluto by a trine from the 6 house.
Have really no idea how this energy is affecting me and my life right now. Maybe it will be a slow emotional
process...? Barley noticeable in the beginning...as Pluto is a lurker....
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #2 - on: 22.01.2008 at 14:05 [UT] »Natally, I have Capricorn intercepted in the 4th house. I have a great deal of difficulty expressing this energy.
I am looking forward to Pluto's entry into that sign as I hope it will help me to work out some issues I haveconcerning putting myself 'out there' in the world for all to see. Being a 12th house Virgo sun, I have always
shied away from the spotlight (though my DF conjuction in Leo craves it!) and have tended to give myauthority to others. I am at the beginning of a new life/career path and am encountering a lot of obstacles
within myself. Pluto's entry in to Capricorn should help uncover how I block myself 'career' wise. I also hopeto get some home renos done as part of my new career will involve working from home. I also anticipate
living in a very different way than I currently do. Hopefully Pluto will help me to learn to manage my personal
resources better - become more self-sufficient and less dependent.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #3 - on: 22.01.2008 at 15:01 [UT] »I have it in my 1st house, but it will be in my second house in 2021. With JoNl there has been a lot of
emotional turmoil in my life and I've been experiencing a loss of all suport structure, including family. I have
not one friend with an sense of my personal history in my life anymore and all I have left to turn to is God, andthat I have, but it's difficult. There is an enormous desire in my heart to feel complete on my own, self reliant,and self loving in a way I have not been in the past. Being alone, combating lonliness, and still feeling thateverything is going to be okay, ie "letting go and letting God" is exactly where I am at right now. The toughest
part is opening my heart. I have experienced too much betrayal in my life and this is very hard for me. So, inthe coming years, finding peace within, healing my ego, and developing deeper faith in God is where I need tobe.

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Gender:Drummer girl, I know what you mean about giving your power over to others. It is a theme I have had to deal
with too. I have a lot of Virgo energy in my chart as well, and this is a time when I need to be more self reliant,and have deeper faith in my abilities. I had my own business years ago, one that I loved and was flourishing at
without any self doubt. That passage has ended and I'm embarking on a new career path that has me plagued
with self doubt, so I'm blocking myself in many ways too, especially as it relates to 1st house energy. I either
come on too strong or get too easily discouraged. Finding that balance is a significant part of this time for me I
think.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #4 - on: 22.01.2008 at 15:17 [UT] »I have my 7th house Cusp at 2Deg Cap and Ju there at the same degree.Mars is at 1Aries in the 10th.
I think it is time I make a name for myself as Puto is at 3Virgo natally.
Not many like waht I have o say at times,but the truth often is harder to take then a lie and I hate lies.

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Gene Ray

Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday

Member« Reply #5 - on: 22.01.2008 at 16:15 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 22.01.2008 at 08:07 [UT]:
Whether you advocate the USA chart for a.m. or p.m., Pluto in Capricorn in our natal chart is about money, either our own in the 2nd or
the money of others in the 8th.

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Gender:On Friday, Pluto moves into Capricorn, where it visits until next summer, when it will retrograde briefly into the autumn, before settling in
Capricorn until 2023. Ruled by our Saturn in Libra squared by our Cancer Sun, people get very cautious and paranoid when Pluto is at a
hard angle to Capricorn, as evidenced in the mid - 1800's for the square and the 1930's for the opposition. At the same time, there has
been an aura of lawlessness associated with this placement during the hard angles of Pluto transiting itself.
Pluto breaks down living structures and transforms them in a more simple composition. Back to the basics. Stripped to the bone. Somesacrifice is necessary to rearrange priorities. Pluto has been in Sagittarius since the middle 1990's. Now with the ending of the Sagittarius
hopeful and positive energies, which have been wide open and taking risks, people world wide are losing their confidence and their senseof optimism. This week it deteriorates.
This week we see the rest of the world markets beginning to panic because of our looming Recession and economic problems. They had
counted on this rich economy to keep them afloat. As Pluto enters Capricorn this week, there should be a catalyst type energy toforeshadow what lies ahead for the next 15 years.
The Sabian symbol for 0 Capricorn says that we have to find power within ourselves in our own society, and we have to stand up andexhibit a show of strength. Capricorn is a tough sign, as any pragmatism is, but with extreme power comes the danger of extreme
corruption and destruction.
My Jupiter is 0 Cancer, so Pluto opposing it brings a different set of expectations for me. Where does Capricorn fall within your own chart,
and what transformation might it make there?

Hello Spiral
The world is on the brink of a recession. The USA is already in a deep funk (whether or not the technicaldefinition of a recession has been met or not). I recall that we and others felt that Pluto's entrance into
Capricorn would cause major economic problems first for the USA and then the world. Who can doubt that thisis already happening and Pluto is still a few days from entering Caprocorn. I suspect that like house cusps
when a planet is within 3 degrees of a sign it has effects on that sign.
People are losing thousands of dollars in their 401 K's, The housing market in the USA is in a shambles, homes
are being forclosed on in record numbers, Credit card payments and car payments are overdue. The worst is
yet to happen. This is because of Pluto entering (or near) Capricorn.
I based my predictions on the 9 d 11 m Gemini rising chart for the USA. I am inclulding a post of mine fromanother site which originally dealt with 2012 but I comment on the current and coming crisis also. Note thedate.
From: GeneRay1 Sent: 8/7/2007 9:58 AM
Hello Joyce
I agree we will be in trouble long before 2012. Basicly I was trying to see what the USA's chart would look likewhen some think the Aquarian Age change happens(me included).
We are at the brink of a financial crises right now. The mortgage industry threatens to bring down the rest of
the economy with it. New car sales are way down. People are losing their homes and refinancing is much moredifficult then in the last five years. We are very close to a recession.
If any other calamity such as a significant terror attack or outbreak of a new difficult strain of flu hits us, or theworld, then the worse it will be. We are I think, an accident waiting to happen. I hope for the best and prepare
for the worst.
Gene
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #6 - on: 22.01.2008 at 16:42 [UT] »My husband's sun in 10th house is at 1 Virgo and for the past year his company has been "stripped to thebone" simply so that it can survive in a pared-back yet transformed state with new objectives. He's been on aroller coaster for months already with "am I staying or am I going?" I have faith in Pluto to take away whatneeds taking and leave the rest. As the aspect is a trine, I feel the result will be good for him and good for hiscompany.
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Whiteswans

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #7 - on: 22.01.2008 at 17:03 [UT] »This is my first time visiting the Forum. Ms Miranda - it's like reading my own story of the last few years! I'm
relatively new to drawing up astrology charts though have been studying the planets in a more esoteric way formany years - now getting more practical...
Looking at the UK news headlines today Pluto is already active and kicking and we are obvioulsy in for aninteresting time ahead.
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Spiral 28

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Member« Reply #8 - on: 22.01.2008 at 17:15 [UT] »These are very good example of what relentless Pluto does in your life. No sympathy from the Scorpio vibe. It
is as it is.
Thank you, Gene Ray, I am glad to see you saw this as early as August. I began my concerns in October andposted them here, after I had traced the troublesome squares of Pluto to itself and then the devastating
opposition from Cancer in the 1930's..
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Yes, the last dying gasps of Sagittarius as Pluto leaves it after its great optimistic gambles from the mid 90's.

Gender:We will retrograde back into it in the summer - fall when more homes are built and vacations are taken, but
still at the last dying degree, like a critical patient waking up and waving at everyone before he dies.
But just as the stock market has to correct itself when it goes too high or too low, our cultures in this world
have to do the same. These huge mansions being built that resemble the English Country Homes of the preVictorian times, everyone living on credit like a millionaire, our homes bought just to trade them up and use
home equity to buy everything, a forward rush toward spending that has a desperate and careless speed racer
vibe to it.

It all has to slow down.

Americans don't do well with being told they can't have something.

Many screaming fits will ensue.

Blameeverywhere. But, eventually, they will have to cut back, and this lesson has been needed for a long time.
My favorite mantra: Simplify.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #9 - on: 22.01.2008 at 17:16 [UT] »7th house cusp is at 15-16' Capricorn. It seems work and partnerships could look quite different for me 15
years from now.
January started out with fog - for days we didn't see the sun, today we had yet another snow storm - yesterday
the stock market plunged and a lot of people seem to be suffering from some virus that affects the stomach:maybe a sign that we will not be able to assimilate from outside in the same way as we have been.
I started reading "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy on Saturday and couldn't put it down - I finished it at 3 a.m.
on Sunday morning. Be self-reliant, carry the fire, don't let it go out.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #10 - on: 22.01.2008 at 17:37 [UT] »Nice post, Jeanette. My 7th is also 16 Capricorn.

My 0 Cancer Jupiter being cross-bowed by Pluto on Friday

is in the 12th and is the ruler of my 6th. I'm retired from teaching for the first time in my life and trying toadjust my household and living expenses, those irritating Virgo type necessities. But when we have good
aspects to whatever is being hit by Pluto, then that is like a point of grace where you can go that direction to
get out of difficulty.
When I began in astrology, they told me wow, Jupiter in Cancer and in the 12th, at a critical degree of 0 there.
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Gender:Conjunct my Sun and Mercury. So I lived a protected and quiet life as a librarian, and have been so grateful.
I've found when Pluto, which in my chart is in Leo in the 1st house conjunct Mars in late Cancer, aspects my12th house planets, I need to cut back and wait, to have patience and to have immense faith in things turningout for the best.
Not the easist, but the best for the long run. Pluto is slow and unyielding and changes things gradually, notlike sudden surprising Uranus. This is for the long haul.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #11 - on: 22.01.2008 at 17:49 [UT] »I think we can all agree that we live in a world where duality rules. After expansion, contraction must follow atsome point. My feeling is that the transit of Pluto through Capricorn is perhaps tied to a much bigger issue
than a simple recession. We must remember that in mythology,Pluto was the god of the underworld. When hecame to the surface into the world of humans, he wore a helmet which made him invisible. The big picture
revealed during the transit of Pluto through Capricorn, may be about the use and misuse of power.
Governments, corporations, plutocrats, may feel the brunt of Pluto's power. Pluto brings to the surface thatwhich needs to be eliminated. A subtle and silent enemy to contend with. Pluto also rules volcanoes. Again myfeeling is that the materialistic powers ruling the world may react to Pluto with more and more control due totheir fear of losing such powers. The populations will seethe and the risk of eruption will become very real.
The recession is here. Will it get worse than that? Probably. The expansion of the U.S. economy during the past
few years was based on an illusion. The illusion that the housing market was worth a lot more than it really is.
This illusion has been dispelled. Still someone created this illusion and others supported it for their own ends.
These people are becoming exposed. It will lead to a domino effect. More and more lies will be exposed in all
fields. A purge will shortly be under way, but it will be subtle at first.
These will be scary times for a lot of people. This fear will be due to a lack of understanding. The world values
will be in a state of transformation and many will be caught unaware. You can substitute Pluto meaning money,
for Pluto meaning values. Shared values. Personal values.
It always seems that humanity needs crisis to bring out the best of each individual. Just look at what happensin times of catastrophes. People's hearts open up. Color, race, religion, get brushed aside by a true spirit ofcompassion and cooperation. We are too complacent and distracted. We permit too much injustice without
raising our voice to stop it. I'm afraid that the unconscious shopping days are reaching an end. Welcome to thereal world where the majority lives.
By the way I have Pluto at the apex of a fan. JnDFBAC. Pluto in the fourth the rest in the tenth.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #12 - on: 22.01.2008 at 18:33 [UT] »Has anyone noticed we are so ready/anxious/prepared for a crisis of some kind to come? Just so it is a
CHANGE.

The world seems hungry for it.

In other words, we don't like the path the world is on and we want to switch directions. Willing to sacrifice
whatever we have to for change. I believe we feel SATIATED, filled up to the throat with too much, too fast,
too soon. Hard to find values and ethics and beauty under a pile of garbage.
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Gender:As we progress in spiritual evolvement, this would be a natural progression toward stripping down to basics
and facing blunt truth of life, not the b.s. hypocritical personality-worshipping glitter world now.
Xian, very good points about the U.S. economy being built on illusion. Our national chart is not good in that
respect. Delusional with our Mars in Gemini square our Neptune in Virgo. Paranoid with our Mercury inCancer opposite our Pluto in Capricorn.

Greedy and selfish with our Sun in Cancer square our Saturn in Libra.

Why in the world did our forefathers who obvioiusly knew and studied astrology (the evidence is everywhere, in
their Mason symbols and the astrological symbols imbedded in Washington, DC concrete) choose July 4, 1776,
to be our nation's birthchart? Probably because with extreme delusion of Mars sq.Neptune comes extreme
idealism and faith. With extreme paranoia and suspicion of Mecury opp. Pluto comes strong defense andprotection against enemies that would destroy us. And especially with the pragmatic Sun sq. Saturn whichmakes us just as tough and mean and punishing as we need to be to win.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #13 - on: 22.01.2008 at 19:25 [UT] »My 8th house begins at 25' Sagg and during the first week of September I began my final year of school,
studying Psychotherapy. Pluto, that week, was at 26' Sagg. I am very unsure as to what will occur with Pluto
moving through my 8th house other than transformation of self. I have heard so many horror stories but also
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Gender:an equal number of beautifully transformational ones. I suppose the contacts Pluto makes to other planets will
be indicative of which story plays out, at least to an extent.
My Sun and Venus are at 2' and 3' Cancer so Pluto is currently opposing them and will for the forseeable futuresince I believe Pluto retrogrades right around the time of my birthday this year.
The only thing of which I am relatively sure, is that I will be understanding and (hopefully) positively embracing
my personal power in ways that have previously escaped me. I am hoping that Pluto will help me to banish allof the 7th Houth Neptune illusions that I have been trying to release for years.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #14 - on: 22.01.2008 at 19:44 [UT] »Hello all
A "Bear Market" is defined as a 20% or more drop from the high the market has reached. The USA is very close
to that marker now. Here are some countries whoose markets have already reached that 20% drop.
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Among 80 equity national equity benchmarks tracked by Bloomberg, indexes in Argentina, Australia, Austria,
Belgium, Bulgaria, Chile, Colombia, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece,
Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, Namibia,
the Netherlands, Norway, Peru, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovenia,
Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Venezuela and Vietnam havealso dropped at least 20 percent from recent highs.
The S&P 500 has fallen 11.2 percent so far this year, while declines in the U.K. and Germany yesterday left
those countries' benchmark indexes down 12 percent and 16 percent respectively.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #15 - on: 22.01.2008 at 20:48 [UT] »Couldn't help replying to this post, since my moon is at 0 deg 5' Capricorn right in the middle of my 2nd
house! So far nothing financially drastic or unusual has occured. My moon is trine my Jupiter at 0 deg 13' Virgoin the 10th, which might be helping matters somewhat.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #16 - on: 22.01.2008 at 21:34 [UT] »Forgive me if this strays a bit off topic, Spiral, but i'd be curious to get your insight on the current writers guild
strike. With Pluto going into Capricorn, and all this talk abotu "institutions" gaining in control, and let's face it,
Hollywood is a MAJOR business institution, I cannot help but wonder if the writers will never see a break fromtheir stalemate with corporate and be forced into a position of crawling back to work because they cannot
afford to be out of work, or the networks will just sit there and let them all loose their jobs? What do you
think?
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #17 - on: 22.01.2008 at 22:52 [UT] »well MC is at a critical degre at 29degre27 of sagitarius.limit capricorn, while pluto/jupiter were conjonct indecember, nothing happened as such but more anxieties and worries about the transit and the future (plutosquare asc, less powerfull this year) thanks god
now i still have pluton conjonct my mc and sextile venus, there is a determination to fight back my professional
life. What has changed, dealing with powerful organisation, that hold purse and decision for us human.
There is a tendency that i am pulled to them. Years ago, i will never have postulate for them as no opportunity
were given to me openly.
Today pluto is transforming my career in the background, i am here to assist organisation that are falling slowly
and they are finding me
and i am networking with powerful individuals (my address book is fool of personal
mobile, if needed)....
This is the underworld of business dealings
i am waiting for the big one next week, if Pluto is about leaving old and unnecessary, than the role next week
maybe my vocation and or the organisation will closed down

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #18 - on: 23.01.2008 at 00:27 [UT] »As a Capricorn Rising myself I just would like to contribute my own expierence since I was born with it. I first
noticed it surfacing at the age of 11 or 12, and at its most beautiful it is a very feminine, soft, yet conservativesign..Not conservative in the political since but conservative in valuing basic humanity. All the gloom and doom
does not fit my expierence with this often misunderstood sign and element. Maybe because I was born with
Neptune at 1degree of Capricorn in my natal 12th house I see the mystical archtype that Capricorn really is. I

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am a Pisces Sun as well so that might also give Capricorn the balance it needs. Now my 12th house Cusp
begins at 0degree Capricorn of my Capricorn Rising. I'm so torn as to weather I should jump for joy or hide
under the covers. But Pluto already forms a square to my Capricorn ascendent so I have power but theres
some friction as to how I'm able to use it.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #19 - on: 23.01.2008 at 03:12 [UT] »I find it interesting that two of the strongest forces of expansion and restriction/constriction - Jupiter, SagSaturn Capricorn reside close together/ Saturn there to pick up the pieces and clean up the messes/ chaos of
Jupiter's indulgence. It may be a moot point but we seem to give so much credence to Jupiter and its
opportunity, growth and benevolence yet find so much distaste for Saturn's disciplining/limiting influence. We
have seen so much extremity these last Pluto Sag years, and now the correction is truly here-Saturn/Capricorn
is not so much restricting and denying as it is about reality and balance. The gig is up.
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Gender:Saturn isn't the harsh task master for those who get Saturn-it gives peace, calm and serenity-I have Capricorn
rising too and understand its place. And now that we have Saturn and Jupiter in the sky in harmony as Pluto
enters Capricorn, this cycle begins with this balance in mind. When Pluto entered Sag in 1995, Jupiter was inSag and Saturn was in Picses-square in the sky-these forces were not in harmony and Jupiter dominatedsomewhat showcasing the events of the next 12 years after.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #20 - on: 23.01.2008 at 03:24 [UT] »I find the polarity of the two energies makes sense. I think a lot of people want to be free of their material
trappings and live a simpler life economically as a means to feel free to live their lives with less emotionallydemands restrictions that come with trying to manage excesses in our lives. Reduce your stuff, your details andcut back on where you spend your money foolishly and you save a heap of cash in order to devote more tothings that matter long term. I think the freedom and abundance Jupiter gives is that when we simplify ourlives, we find we are blessed with time, inner pause to contemplate and have a more peaceful mind, andtherefore, give our creative spirit the rejuventation it needs in order to rebuild our lives more effectively. I hope
I made sense there. We are uncluttering our lives and minds to make way for a better way, I guess is what I'mtrying to say.
Love and blessings,
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #21 - on: 23.01.2008 at 03:28 [UT] »Yea, and the FULL MOON RIGHT now isn't helping things at all!
Quote from Spiral 28 on 22.01.2008 at 08:07 [UT]:
Whether you advocate the USA chart for a.m. or p.m., Pluto in Capricorn in our natal chart is about money, either our own in the 2nd or
the money of others in the 8th.
On Friday, Pluto moves into Capricorn, where it visits until next summer, when it will retrograde briefly into the autumn, before settling in
Capricorn until 2023. Ruled by our Saturn in Libra squared by our Cancer Sun, people get very cautious and paranoid when Pluto is at a
hard angle to Capricorn, as evidenced in the mid - 1800's for the square and the 1930's for the opposition. At the same time, there has
been an aura of lawlessness associated with this placement during the hard angles of Pluto transiting itself.

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Pluto breaks down living structures and transforms them in a more simple composition. Back to the basics. Stripped to the bone. Somesacrifice is necessary to rearrange priorities. Pluto has been in Sagittarius since the middle 1990's. Now with the ending of the Sagittarius
hopeful and positive energies, which have been wide open and taking risks, people world wide are losing their confidence and their senseof optimism. This week it deteriorates.
This week we see the rest of the world markets beginning to panic because of our looming Recession and economic problems. They had
counted on this rich economy to keep them afloat. As Pluto enters Capricorn this week, there should be a catalyst type energy toforeshadow what lies ahead for the next 15 years.
The Sabian symbol for 0 Capricorn says that we have to find power within ourselves in our own society, and we have to stand up andexhibit a show of strength. Capricorn is a tough sign, as any pragmatism is, but with extreme power comes the danger of extreme
corruption and destruction.
My Jupiter is 0 Cancer, so Pluto opposing it brings a different set of expectations for me. Where does Capricorn fall within your own chart,
and what transformation might it make there?

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #22 - on: 23.01.2008 at 03:35 [UT] »While this is all good and well, and by default, HAD to deal with this narrative first had, in the last decade, with
the Sag in my chart, I have a hunch it will play out differently with Capricorn. AND as always, with the laws ofnature, there WILL be some losers and some who profit from this big shift. I understand that the US SUN will
oppose Pluto, as individuals some will get a different experience from the Pluto shift.
AND finally, I find it very ironic that some mock the energy of Pluto, noting it's so far away and even'downgraded' as not even a 'planet!'
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Quote from Ms. Miranda on 23.01.2008 at 03:24 [UT]:
I find the polarity of the two energies makes sense. I think a lot of people want to be free of their material trappings and live a simpler
life economically as a means to feel free to live their lives with less emotionally demands restrictions that come with trying to manage
excesses in our lives. Reduce your stuff, your details and cut back on where you spend your money foolishly and you save a heap of cash
in order to devote more to things that matter long term. I think the freedom and abundance Jupiter gives is that when we simplify ourlives, we find we are blessed with time, inner pause to contemplate and have a more peaceful mind, and therefore, give our creative spirit
the rejuventation it needs in order to rebuild our lives more effectively. I hope I made sense there. We are uncluttering our lives andminds to make way for a better way, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #23 - on: 23.01.2008 at 03:46 [UT] »Congrats on the teaching recess! ThOUGH, you ARE still teaching
I am just re-entering, after several careeradjustments and am in the heat of the whole NCLB _____ won't say more here on a public board but
seriously, just had a blow-out with a family member RE: the rediculous-ness of the pressure on a middle ele
teacher. I can only hope that with the US chart affected with PLUTO, the whole shananagans will finally bust(huge pressure on teachers, who are merely scapegoats).
Then I look at some markets that seem to be reflecting the US status and yet it may mean that the US is nolong holding the leadership position, rescuing other failing countries. I wonder what rules China and how that
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Quote from Spiral 28 on 22.01.2008 at 17:37 [UT]:
Nice post, Jeanette. My 7th is also 16 Capricorn. My 0 Cancer Jupiter being cross-bowed by Pluto on Friday is in the 12th and is the rulerof my 6th. I'm retired from teaching for the first time in my life and trying to adjust my household and living expenses, those irritating
Virgo type necessities. But when we have good aspects to whatever is being hit by Pluto, then that is like a point of grace where you cango that direction to get out of difficulty.
When I began in astrology, they told me wow, Jupiter in Cancer and in the 12th, at a critical degree of 0 there. Conjunct my Sun andMercury. So I lived a protected and quiet life as a librarian, and have been so grateful. I've found when Pluto, which in my chart is in Leo
in the 1st house conjunct Mars in late Cancer, aspects my 12th house planets, I need to cut back and wait, to have patience and to haveimmense faith in things turning out for the best.
Not the easist, but the best for the long run. Pluto is slow and unyielding and changes things gradually, not like sudden surprising Uranus.
This is for the long haul.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #24 - on: 23.01.2008 at 04:18 [UT] »Unfortunately, just before a worse time in our economy,

there frequently have been strikes by unions, orattempts to form them in the face of violence and opposition. I have just finished a new fiction book on the
Great Depression in New York by Pete Hamill, whose father lived through it in that bleak city. He is the author
who wrote a history of New York in his book "Forever".
struggles then.

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He talks of how the various Italian families came together in the mid 1930's to form a stronger power base andturn their strong arm techniques outward rather toward each other.
When I was trying to see correlating activities between the mid 1800's and the 1930's, one I found was thelawless gangs in the Old West who used guns and violence to control society.
It is the same fear we have now that if economic collapse should happen, food and supplies were scarce,
would those with guns, who were desperate, attempt to dominate neighborhoods and cities? Pluto in
Capricorn does fit this scenario.
The examples in this thread are good to pick out nouns which are attributed to Pluto's energies.

Weapons,

the underworld, crime done in secret, relentless pressure on groups of workers who finally rebel, and an
obsession with things that fade away and die.
Saturn is a peaceful and more controlled discipline, as you mentioned, blissmiss, for those who can submit to
its insistence. But for those who are made to rebel and to throw emotional objections in all directions, theresult is a strict enforcement of the rules, and tightening or denying of our freedoms.
If Pluto can be paranoid, then in Capricorn it can be ruled by fear.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #25 - on: 23.01.2008 at 04:27 [UT] »I am a SATURN in Capricorn generation and am really curious how it will play out, with Saturn now in Virgo andPluto about to join up. THANKFULLY, Capricorn Sun is past (for now!).
Good point here...28
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view of New York's struggles then.
He talks of how the various Italian families came together in the mid 1930's to form a stronger power base and turn their strong arm
techniques outward rather toward each other.
When I was trying to see correlating activities between the mid 1800's and the 1930's, one I found was the lawless gangs in the Old West
who used guns and violence to control society.
It is the same fear we have now that if economic collapse should happen, food and supplies were scarce, would those with guns, who were
desperate, attempt to dominate neighborhoods and cities? Pluto in Capricorn does fit this scenario.
The examples in this thread are good to pick out nouns which are attributed to Pluto's energies. Weapons, the underworld, crime done insecret, relentless pressure on groups of workers who finally rebel, and an obsession with things that fade away and die.
Saturn is a peaceful and more controlled discipline, as you mentioned, blissmiss, for those who can submit to its insistence. But for those
who are made to rebel and to throw emotional objections in all directions, the result is a strict enforcement of the rules, and tightening or
denying of our freedoms.
If Pluto can be paranoid, then in Capricorn it can be ruled by fear.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #26 - on: 23.01.2008 at 04:46 [UT] »Jupiter is in early Capricorn. A friendly energy precedes Pluto.
Also, Jupiter is trine Saturn as Pluto enters Cap. So there's an offset there; plus it's ruling planet of the signfrom which Pluto is exiting.
Regarding expansive Sagittarius energy - well, it has its downsides, as we certainly are seeing. Now that Pluto's
transit of Sag is over, we're finding that excess has become passe. Politically, in the US anyway, the religious
dogmatists (also Jupiter/Sag) are no longer dominating the national conversation.
So much in astrology, and in life, is a three-act play. With Pluto, first third of a transit of a sign, it will go
digging around in the muck to see what's really going on. The second third, it comes up from wherever it waswith its "hands" dripping, saying "wow, look at all the stuff I found."And very few people are willing to look at that point.
Final third, it brings it home, as the knowledge of what it's found seeps into the collective, realizations appear
in daily conversations, people can no longer pretend. Everyone has to look, and agrees on the primary themeof Pluto, as was mentioned above: Things need to CHANGE.
Welcome, Pluto.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #27 - on: 23.01.2008 at 11:40 [UT] »Saturn and Capricorn are really about balance - balance along the vertical axis with their opposition - the Moon
and Cancer - as well as balance between and with the horizontal axis - Aries - Libra / Mars - Venus. this ingressof Pluto into Capricorn is accompanied by some potent dynamics with Mars and Venus - the last pass of thePosts: 282
Gender:Mars /Pluto opposition coming up in March - and then the Venus Pluto conjunction coming up very shortly. its
pushing us all into places that have been profoundly hungered for - but deeply feared at the same time. thismeans constraint for some and expansion and loss of control for others. and anything in the way of thatbalance faces the force of Pluto......

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #28 - on: 23.01.2008 at 13:01 [UT] »Saturn/Capricorn welcomes Pluto, opposite Moon/Cancer ="It's not personal, it's business."
Just after Full Moon on Jan. 22, 1:54 Leo, Sabian Symbol "An epidemic of Mumps; the spreading power ofindividual crisis through a collectivity" (Rudhyar), or "Can become spread all over the globe." "The spread of
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Widespread fear is contagious." (L. Hill)
Pragmatism versus sentiment.
Discipline struggles for control over emotions.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #29 - on: 23.01.2008 at 13:45 [UT] »My Pluto is currently in 4th and will stay there for a while until it gets to 23 degrees Capricorn.
I feel like everything that can happen in the 4th has already happened:
My Father died (we weren't close)
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I have a much better relationship with my Mother.
The only aspect it will form (or already have) is sextile Uranus (Uranus in 2nd). Pluto natally is in 1st/2nd and it
will be square in a couple of years (so maybe this one will bring something).

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #30 - on: 23.01.2008 at 17:50 [UT] »http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2005/06_pluto.htm
I just read Adrian Ross Duncan's article on Pluto (detective) in Capricorn (authority) and I think he makes agood point about the potential of people having less privacy and independence especially as Pluto squares
Uranus in Aries from 2011-2015. There are cameras in stores, at stoplights, on the freeway. You can go
anywhere in the world from your computer on googleearth. It's not hard to imagine that there are live
versions of it and that there will be more and more cameras in public places as security measures to catch
people breaking laws.
Speaking of security, public officials may find it necessary to hire more and more bodyguards, use bullet-proof
cars more, incorporate more safety measures, etc.
I saw something on t.v. recently where a car that had a hidden camera was left unlocked in a high-crime area to
set up thieves. The car locks were controlled remotely by officers on surveillance. Once someone got in the car
and drove away with it, the doors were locked and the engine was cut and they were caught.
We've started to see celebrities being held accountable by serving time in jail. We'll probably see more andmore of that. People are going to want to align themselves with laws and accountability will be necessary. The
same thing goes for law enforcement since video and cell phone cameras can expose them too.
Pluto will be in Capricorn for 16 years. There will be lots of Cardinal energy during this time bringing lots offirsts such as the 1st black presidential candidate, the 1st female presidential candidate. Some of the highlights
are that Pluto in Capricorn will trine the Pluto in Virgo generation, square the Pluto in Libra generation, oppose
the Uranus in Cancer generation, conjunct the Uranus/Neptune in Capricorn generation. The nodal axis will
move into Capricorn/Cancer from August 2009 til March 2011. The North Node will conjunct Pluto at 3
Capricorn. Pluto will square Saturn at 4 Capricorn. The United States has many planets that will be aspectedby Pluto - Venus at 2 Cancer, Jupiter at 5 Cancer, Sun at 12 Cancer, Mercury at 24 Cancer, Saturn at 14 Libra
and Pluto at 27 Capricorn.
I know lots of people who had hip relplacements with Pluto in Sagittarius, and this surgical procedure was
improved a lot through the years. A Capricorn friend is having double knee surgery in a few weeks. Maybeknee and tooth procedures will be on the rise.
Just as the Pluto in Cancer generation was responsible for the home building explosion after World War II, now
their children, the Baby Boomers, will start to retire in a few years. Estate planning, retirement communities
and the like will be on people's minds. Mortgage rates are low right now, but it may get harder to get a loan.
Down the road lots of jobs should open up.
Just some thoughts.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #31 - on: 23.01.2008 at 19:45 [UT] »Dude,n My dB, mOI, s ACDE (Ec and the rest in e), pFf though.

Rather cool considering my Capricorn placements are in 8th house. May the fun begin >=]!
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #32 - on: 24.01.2008 at 05:12 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 22.01.2008 at 08:07 [UT]:This week we see the rest of the world markets beginning to panic because of our looming Recession and economic problems. They

had counted on this rich economy to keep them afloat.
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Thank you for the interesting analysis of Pluto entering Capricorn Spiral 28. About one factor, with yourindulgence I would like to offer a different opinion (in relation to the small above quote from your much longer
very interesting piece).
For some years, other countries have been buying massive quantities of US bonds in order to keep the US
dollar afloat, not vice versa. The Japanese, the arab oil exporters and more recently the Chinese. These hugeinvestments have been an interdependent thing, that is they keep the US dollar afloat so it (the US) cancontinue to import.
I don't think, (from the perspective of the rest of the world) that the US is keeping all other economies afloat.
I realize this is a subjective viewpoint and differs according to your location.
If the US goes into recession (or is in recession) that will take the shine off the Chinese exports to the US,
however, the Chinese economy has been growing so rapidly and is so huge, estimates are it would be less huge,
but still enjoy huge growth. And so will India. The slowdowns there may cause a small drop in Australianproduction and export, pretty minimal however. The sell off in stocks here isn't at all based on a reality of
doom and gloom economic indicators, quite the reverse. The economy here is going gang busters, with very
low unemployment.
A lot of the panic in world stockmarkets is simply because of emotionally driven reactions, not economic
indicators. It's like a big bunch of gamblers have got the panics. The rest of the world banking system isn't tiedin directly to the US sub prime market and most countries don't have such a sub prime mortgage market
supported by their banking system, that is a unique US product. Most countries have pretty strict banking
controls.
In the US there are a lot of large businesses that are very sound. There is no reason they will not continue tobe very sound. The loss of homes by people who could not afford to buy them in the first place is very sad, but
in itself will not cause the unravelling of the US economy.
The financial institutions that offered unethical and unsound mortgages will have to adopt more sound lending
practices...initially painful but long term, sounder and safer. Less Neptune bias, more Saturn oversight andregulation. Closer oversight will not be a harmful thing, it will benefit borrowers unable to define their own
limits and see through marketing deception and hype.
I hope it is appropriate to offer this perspective here. I am not a financial astrologer and am unable to offer
this in an astological format.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #33 - on: 24.01.2008 at 06:24 [UT] »VERY good point about the dental projection!

WHAT about ROCK CLIMBING, skiing, etc!

I shared a goal with a friend that if I reach a school goal, that I was going to buy a mountain bike. HA! Maybeit will work in my favor!
Quote from Michelle on 23.01.2008 at 17:50 [UT]:
http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2005/06_pluto.htm
I just read Adrian Ross Duncan's article on Pluto (detective) in Capricorn (authority) and I think he makes a good point about the potential

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of people having less privacy and independence especially as Pluto squares Uranus in Aries from 2011-2015. There are cameras in stores,
at stoplights, on the freeway. You can go anywhere in the world from your computer on googleearth. It's not hard to imagine that there
are live versions of it and that there will be more and more cameras in public places as security measures to catch people breaking laws.
Speaking of security, public officials may find it necessary to hire more and more bodyguards, use bullet-proof cars more, incorporate
more safety measures, etc.
I saw something on t.v. recently where a car that had a hidden camera was left unlocked in a high-crime area to set up thieves. The car
locks were controlled remotely by officers on surveillance. Once someone got in the car and drove away with it, the doors were locked andthe engine was cut and they were caught.
We've started to see celebrities being held accountable by serving time in jail. We'll probably see more and more of that. People are goingto want to align themselves with laws and accountability will be necessary. The same thing goes for law enforcement since video and cell
phone cameras can expose them too.
Pluto will be in Capricorn for 16 years. There will be lots of Cardinal energy during this time bringing lots of firsts such as the 1st black
presidential candidate, the 1st female presidential candidate. Some of the highlights are that Pluto in Capricorn will trine the Pluto in Virgogeneration, square the Pluto in Libra generation, oppose the Uranus in Cancer generation, conjunct the Uranus/Neptune in Capricorn
generation. The nodal axis will move into Capricorn/Cancer from August 2009 til March 2011. The North Node will conjunct Pluto at 3
Capricorn. Pluto will square Saturn at 4 Capricorn. The United States has many planets that will be aspected by Pluto - Venus at 2 Cancer,
Jupiter at 5 Cancer, Sun at 12 Cancer, Mercury at 24 Cancer, Saturn at 14 Libra and Pluto at 27 Capricorn.
I know lots of people who had hip relplacements with Pluto in Sagittarius, and this surgical procedure was improved a lot through theyears. A Capricorn friend is having double knee surgery in a few weeks. Maybe knee and tooth procedures will be on the rise.
Just as the Pluto in Cancer generation was responsible for the home building explosion after World War II, now their children, the Baby
Boomers, will start to retire in a few years. Estate planning, retirement communities and the like will be on people's minds. Mortgage
rates are low right now, but it may get harder to get a loan. Down the road lots of jobs should open up.
Just some thoughts.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #34 - on: 24.01.2008 at 07:50 [UT] »This country was born with Pluto in Capricorn..It's the oppositions and squares that pluto makes to itself thatare the most tricky and dicey. When Pluto returns to itself in any instance it must have some greater
understanding of what it was all about in the first place..So lets look to the U.S. Natal and take into accountthat Pluto was in Capricorn. Also with Capricorn there is a good side just like any of the other signs in thezodiac. Saggitarius has its good and bad (dual) sides. With saggitarius on the dark side you have extremism
and fantatism, but the GOOD side of Sag is that we saw that the possibilities for our lifes were endless(quantium mechanics) and that there is indeed more to reality than there appears. Now undoubtedly there will
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #35 - on: 24.01.2008 at 16:18 [UT] »Hello Spiral and all
I am posting a copy of a post I made at another site in regards to the USA birth chart that gives 9 d 11m
Gemini as the birth Acendant of the USA.
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Hello Secret
There is a wide variety of beliefs regarding the true USA birth chart. I came to my conclusion several years ago
and I still think I am correct. I do respect the reasoning behind other views.
My view is that the birth time is about 2.20 am July 4, 1776. This puts Uranus near the Ascendant (we are acountry born of revolution). The same can be said for the position of the Moon in Aquarius in the 9th house.
We were born of a foriegn (9th house) mother (Moon) through revolution (Aquarius).
I don't know if you have every had the chance to look at the 12 hour clock pictured on the back of the USA
100 dollar bill. The clock reads somewhere between 2.20 and 2.22, Of course there is not PM or AM on a 12
hour clock so we have to take our own position on that. My positon is that this is a clue to the true birth timeof the USA and so my chart, completed before I was aware of this, may be off a minute or two from that clock.
I have found that my chart the 9 d 11m Gemini rising chart was very representive of the 9 11 attack and ofother important events in our history. Most people believe that the Sagattarius rising chart is the correct chart.
Everyone has to make their own decisions.
Best wishes
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #36 - on: 24.01.2008 at 18:30 [UT] »Saturn is associated with skin, teeth and bones in medical astrology. Saturn in Virgo making exact hard aspects
to my chart and 2 of my friends' charts sent all of us to the dentist/oral surgeon one week in December for
multiple non-routine visits. Kind of unusual for people who don't normally have tooth problems. Anotherfriend (Sun 0 Cancer) is planning a cosmetic dental procedure. Pluto in Cap would add more of that energy, I'dimagine, a double transit for some.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #37 - on: 24.01.2008 at 18:38 [UT] »Quote from Matrika Ray on 24.01.2008 at 05:12 [UT]:
Quote from Spiral 28 on 22.01.2008 at 08:07 [UT]:This week we see the rest of the world markets beginning to panic because of our looming Recession and economic
problems. They had counted on this rich economy to keep them afloat.

I don't think, (from the perspective of the rest of the world) that the US is keeping all other economies afloat. I realize this is a subjective
viewpoint and differs according to your location.
If the US goes into recession (or is in recession) that will take the shine off the Chinese exports to the US, however, the Chinese economy
has been growing so rapidly and is so huge, estimates are it would be less huge, but still enjoy huge growth. And so will India. The
slowdowns there may cause a small drop in Australian production and export, pretty minimal however. The sell off in stocks here isn't at
all based on a reality of doom and gloom economic indicators, quite the reverse. The economy here is going gang busters, with very low
unemployment.

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Gender:A lot of the panic in world stockmarkets is simply because of emotionally driven reactions, not economic indicators. It's like a big bunch ofgamblers have got the panics. The rest of the world banking system isn't tied in directly to the US sub prime market and most countries
don't have such a sub prime mortgage market supported by their banking system, that is a unique US product. Most countries have pretty
strict banking controls.
In the US there are a lot of large businesses that are very sound. There is no reason they will not continue to be very sound. The loss ofhomes by people who could not afford to buy them in the first place is very sad, but in itself will not cause the unravelling of the US
economy.

I would disagreee entirely that other markets are not affected by our economic issues. Our economies all areinterdependent upon each other because they are all shared "energy". And when the USA is not buying, a lot ofother countries are not profiting whether it is goods OR services. Our economy, when impoverished throws awrench in the economic machine globally and no country is without it's affects upon the system. It may not be
immediately perceptible but the trickle down of ecomonic recession will hit globally. Don't kid yourself. IT will
maybe be a small pocket, say the small business, and then gradually build up to large industry in some areas,then in others is may be laterally affecting countries. WHen you are dealing with goods AND services being
purchased and sold between the US and especially Asian markets, you cannot help but foresee some significant
effects. If the the PEOPLE decide to get out of debt and pay off their credit cards, work from a cash and carrymethodology, then the credit institutions will be affected.
Plus, you cannot just look at the economics. Asia is growing fast without an signifant well establishedinfrastructures in place. It's a HUGE problem when countries grow too quickly and without proper planning
India is suffering with this issue and so is China, even if they haven't figured it out yet. They are growing so
fast, and wanting to go from a to z and not checking to make sure all the proper safety nets are in place.
Nouveau riche has its downside, and the faster you climb, the harder you can potentially fall. So I would notplace any money on China, let alone India being immune to economic recession in the US and Europe.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #38 - on: 24.01.2008 at 19:39 [UT] »In some circles, more Left-wing economic circles, speculational and real estate investment are called False
Capital. "False" because it doesn't really add anything of value, it doesn't create anything of value. It comes
down to the game called "hot potato" that we played as children. Remember, the one holding the hot potato at
the end lost.

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new. You are just hoping that you won't be caught holding the hot potato when the market corrects as it
eventually will.
With my sparse knowledge of astrology, it occurs to me that Pluto will bring an end to that. If we live throughit, it will eventually be for the best. We can get back to being truly productive, instead of an economy built on"hot potatos". However, knowing Pluto, the transition will not be pretty.
President Bush has trashed the dollar. The ultra-right wanted to bring an end to keynesianism...well, they aregoing to get more than they bargained for. Keynesian mechanism won't bail us out this time, nor will theirglorified-almost deified-belief in the "free market".
empire.

For better and worse, this is the end of the American

As someone mentioned, in desperation, those in power will become more aggressive due to their loss ofcontrol. The beast will not only show its teeth, it will bite. Good luck to all!
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #39 - on: 24.01.2008 at 19:49 [UT] »I am very satisfied with my Venus at 0 Virgo (2H) making p with Pluto. I hope something significant will
happen in my love life.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #40 - on: 24.01.2008 at 20:57 [UT] »is pluto entering in capricorn noticeable in the beginning especially for capricorn related people/figures....i
noticed the change when jupiter entered capricorn which was the same time saturn went retrograde so i dont
know if it was the capricorn entrance or not so will pluto be noticeable or will it take awhile?

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #41 - on: 24.01.2008 at 23:18 [UT] »Matrika, you are correct, of course, as the keep afloat comment was not a good one from me.

I think what I

was referring to more than monetarily is that we are considered a major economical power in the world with
our great pushing energy, so if we begin dropping in value and performance, then the confidence andassurance in other countries for their own stability may be affected. We saw in the world markets in the pastfew days that fear and nervousness does affect their stock market health.
GeneRay, my USA chart that I have settled on is 10 degrees Gemini because of the startling Sabian Symbol ofPosts: 3639
Gender:pioneers moving out across the horizon to find new land. Facing the unfamiliar in new territory. 10 Gemini is
my Part of Fortune degree, and I understand by now the energies of this degree quite well. I believe it is the
personality of our nation.

"The Promised Land".

I have seen the 9 degree Gemini Ascendant published many times for the 2:20 a.m. chart.

I use 2:23 a.m.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #42 - on: 24.01.2008 at 23:47 [UT] »Capricorn starts midway thru my 11th house and covers most of 12th . I think for most of the last few years I
have been getting in touch with my spirituality , and getting back to the person I was when I was younger ,before I got sucked into the vortex of life. I feel like I have been wiping the slate clean and getting back tobasics . What will this mean for twelfth house matters ?

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #43 - on: 25.01.2008 at 00:00 [UT] »Quote from wangshan on 24.01.2008 at 23:47 [UT]:Capricorn starts midway thru my 11th house and covers most of 12th . I think for most of the last few years I have been getting in touchwith my spirituality , and getting back to the person I was when I was younger , before I got sucked into the vortex of life. I feel like I
have been wiping the slate clean and getting back to basics . What will this mean for twelfth house matters ?

Depends big deal about which house has h on the cusp
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #44 - on: 25.01.2008 at 00:48 [UT] »That would be both 9th and 10th..that is 9th is intercepted inh using placidus ..using equal it is 10th

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #45 - on: 25.01.2008 at 16:44 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 24.01.2008 at 23:18 [UT]:Matrika, you are correct, of course, as the keep afloat comment was not a good one from me. I think what I was referring to more thanmonetarily is that we are considered a major economical power in the world with our great pushing energy, so if we begin dropping invalue and performance, then the confidence and assurance in other countries for their own stability may be affected. We saw in the world
markets in the past few days that fear and nervousness does affect their stock market health.

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GeneRay, my USA chart that I have settled on is 10 degrees Gemini because of the startling Sabian Symbol of pioneers moving out acrossthe horizon to find new land. Facing the unfamiliar in new territory. 10 Gemini is my Part of Fortune degree, and I understand by now theenergies of this degree quite well. I believe it is the personality of our nation. "The Promised Land".
I have seen the 9 degree Gemini Ascendant published many times for the 2:20 a.m. chart. I use 2:23 a.m.

Hello Spiral and all
A three minute difference is not particularly significant. In fact your time is probably closer to the 12 hour
clock on the back of the 100 dollar bill of the USA. Actually I consider 9 d 11 m Gemini to be the "10thdegree" but I suspect you are using 10d0m
which I would consider the "11th degree".
Since I came up with the 9d 11m Gemini rising chart before I found out about the clock on the back of the 100
dollar bill, I decided to stay with it, perhaps because I arrived at this decision (without regard to any previous
Gemini rising charts) some time before the terrorist attack of Sept 11, 2001. The irony of a 9d 11m rising andthe date of the terrorist attack seemed somehow significant.
I have no problem with your 10 d 0m Gemini rising chart. It is interesting to progress either your or my chart
to Sept 11, 2001. There are some very significant progressions in effect at that time....including the P
Ascendant.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #46 - on: 25.01.2008 at 18:42 [UT] »This is a great thread!
Well, I actually have a stellium in j(O,G,B,I) in the 2nd house. So J will be conjoining all those planets inthe coming years. Also, as a bA it will trine my A in the 6th house and F also from the 6th. I have a hrising with J in the 12th in h so it will make a strong q to J in the coming years and finally to my ascendantin like 13 years!
Finally, it will be trine my MC in f for several years starting today finally being activating my earth/water grandtrine kite pattern.
I think the next several years are going to be quote transformative, not only for me, but for EVERYONE.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #47 - on: 25.01.2008 at 21:55 [UT] »Quote from James Stillens on 25.01.2008 at 18:42 [UT]:This is a great thread!

j(O,G,B,I) in the 2nd house. So J will be conjoining all those planets in the coming years. Also,bA it will trine my A in the 6th house and F also from the 6th. I have a h rising with J in the 12th in h so it will make astrong q to J in the coming years and finally to my ascendant in like 13 years!
Well, I actually have a stellium in
as aFinally, it will be trine my MC in

f for several years starting today finally being activating my earth/water grand trine kite pattern.

I think the next several years are going to be quote transformative, not only for me, but for EVERYONE.

So, what do you think of this: Not the transits, the chart....
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #48 - on: 25.01.2008 at 23:02 [UT] »Pluto is set to enter Capricorn this evening at 9:37:13 Eastern Standard Time at this exact second, according
to our Astrodienst computers. If you try 12 seconds instead of 13, it is not there yet.
Observe all of the 0 degees in this chart ! Only in New York time line. Also, good to remember that if Hillary
Clinton was born at 8:02 p.m. as she says she was, then her Ascendant degree is 0 Cancer, the Midheaven
degree here,
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #49 - on: 25.01.2008 at 23:12 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 25.01.2008 at 23:02 [UT]:Pluto is set to enter Capricorn this evening at 9:37:13 Eastern Standard Time at this exact second, according to our Astrodienst computers.
If you try 12 seconds instead of 13, it is not there yet.
Observe all of the 0 degees in this chart ! Only in New York time line. Also, good to remember that if Hillary Clinton was born at 8:02

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7th House tonight.

Hello SpiralIn equal house Scorpio/Pluto rules the 2nd and Venus the Ascendant. T P will be within range of a conjunction
to Venus in Capricorn. Venus of course naturally rules the 2nd house of money and Pluto accidentally rules the
2nd house in this chart. Both are square the Ascendant.
I wonder is some news may break about then. The rumor is that some hege fund is about to go under. But
then again maybe it will pass without anything happening.
By the way I feel confident that Hillary is a Cancer rising, so the 8.02 time might be correct.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #50 - on: 25.01.2008 at 23:22 [UT] »Quote from Gene Ray on 25.01.2008 at 23:12 [UT]:
Quote from Spiral 28 on 25.01.2008 at 23:02 [UT]:Pluto is set to enter Capricorn this evening at 9:37:13 Eastern Standard Time at this exact second, according to our
Astrodienst computers. If you try 12 seconds instead of 13, it is not there yet.
Observe all of the 0 degees in this chart ! Only in New York time line. Also, good to remember that if Hillary Clinton wasborn at 8:02 p.m. as she says she was, then her Ascendant degree is 0 Cancer, the Midheaven degree here, and Plutomoves onto her DC and into her 7th House tonight.

Hello SpiralIn equal house Scorpio/Pluto rules the 2nd and Venus the Ascendant. T P will be within range of a conjunction to Venus in Capricorn. Venus
of course naturally rules the 2nd house of money and Pluto accidentally rules the 2nd house in this chart. Both are square the Ascendant.
I wonder is some news may break about then. The rumor is that some hege fund is about to go under. But then again maybe it will passwithout anything happening.
By the way I feel confident that Hillary is a Cancer rising, so the 8.02 time might be correct.
Gene RayI always thought Hill was a 29c rising when born in the morning...
Isn't the h rising also not a much used item for her?
I wonder what J transit over I will do for kids born in 1984, 1985, 1986 like me, as I'm from 85
I have a 0c Mc... but I don't have a career yet, just studying
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #51 - on: 26.01.2008 at 02:53 [UT] »Okay, we are there.
The energy change from fast, free flowing, wide and easy Sagittarius to cautious, limiting,colder and tighter

Capricorn when it is invaded by Pluto should be subconscious in our gut, but in terms of the United States,
Pluto opposed by our Mercury , the energy that will begin to be felt tonight is suspicious and wary, cautious
and protective.
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The mantra? "Be careful. We have so much to lose."

Less willing to trust anyone with our money.

Banks,

the financials, the investment firms ..... beware.
Saturn is also the materialization of the spiritual, the forming into reality of the formerly invisible. That is why
it is karmic. So if Capricorn's ruler is karmic and Pluto is fate, combine these in the house that fits the place
and time, and watch the boomerang come back to where it first began.
A sudden stopping of forward movement.

A sudden death of an important person.

A somber assessment ofwhat was formerly full of joy. A withdrawing of emotion from what was a feeling of closeness.
A pragmatic
cutting back of benefits and raises and expansion.
Projects are put on hold. Discipline is administered to those who might lose possessions through carelessness.
Choices are made from ambition for the future bottem line and reputation, no longer from the heart or forenjoyment. It is time to pull back and say no.
The icy mountain testing men beyond their endurance. The hungry snake with the hypnotizing eyes.
deepest secrets hidden behind closed door. Pluto is in Capricorn.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #52 - on: 26.01.2008 at 03:52 [UT] »This energy is precisely why I don't think that Obama is going to win the Democratic nomination. I think theconservative mindset is going to put up a strong fight in the coming months in both parties and I predictanother close election. Freedom and change versus the panic of economic insecurity is going to make liberals
decidely more conservative as the campaign months progress.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #53 - on: 26.01.2008 at 04:04 [UT] »I have 13j on cusp of 7th/ 8i on 6th- so J has spent a long time in my 6th.... Over the past years I havedealt with much illness- not my own
I am curious what might happen when T J n my BML at 2 d in the 12th....

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #54 - on: 26.01.2008 at 04:14 [UT] »Miranda, on the other hand, Pluto last left Capricorn into Aquarius n Feb. 1778. It brought the colonist to
revolution and to the audacious idea that they could win their freedom from the greatest military power,
England.
When Pluto/Scorpio gets an obsessive idea, it takes over completely and is relentless.
stiff and unyielding conservative Capricorn. It often does it by violent means.
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Revolution".

Pluto transforms the..."the people are ready for a Second

This is a good term to remember.

It is the unsatisfied and beseiged ( and disappearing down to poverty with credit cards) Middle Class who willstage it, in this land of too many billionares who determine everything about our lives.
highest power in the land, and its rules are about to be changed.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #55 - on: 26.01.2008 at 04:20 [UT] »Krista, Pluto will go over into your 7th in March, 2014.
I don't know what BML is.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #56 - on: 26.01.2008 at 04:33 [UT] »Gene Ray, pursuing the Second Revolution thought.

If Ron Paul is the transforming agent for total change inthe way we look at spending and money, to overthrow the forces that hold us down, could the Media now be
the new Capricorn, the most influential overall power in our lives? The media is refusing to give Paul any
credit for the votes he is getting, for besting Giuliani.
influence in all its techno forms.

The media who wants us to march like sheep from the

Look at FOX.
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The more an authoritarian power holds people down, the more they feel like erupting.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #57 - on: 26.01.2008 at 04:34 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 26.01.2008 at 04:20 [UT]:Krista, Pluto will go over into your 7th in March, 2014.
I don't know what BML is.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #58 - on: 26.01.2008 at 05:36 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 26.01.2008 at 04:14 [UT]:When Pluto/Scorpio gets an obsessive idea, it takes over completely and is relentless. Pluto transforms the stiff and unyielding
conservative Capricorn. It often does it by violent means.

Then I guess my OCD j dad will be having the time of his life, providing he's on the side of revolution!
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #59 - on: 26.01.2008 at 06:05 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 26.01.2008 at 04:33 [UT]:Gene Ray, pursuing the Second Revolution thought. If Ron Paul is the transforming agent for total change in the way we look at spending
and money, to overthrow the forces that hold us down, could the Media now be the new Capricorn, the most influential overall power in
our lives? The media is refusing to give Paul any credit for the votes he is getting, for besting Giuliani. The media who wants us to march
like sheep from the influence in all its techno forms.
Look at FOX.
The more an authoritarian power holds people down, the more they feel like erupting.

I just heard on the news that with all the primaries being moved up the candidates will spend outrageous
amounts of money on tv advertising this year. Guess who gains? Yep, it's the big media organisations. Not the
local ones. news source = bill moyers journal.
Pauls campaign does in a lot of ways point to some of the forefathers original intentions.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #60 - on: 26.01.2008 at 09:51 [UT] »Also on the news today Northern Rock fiasco
If that's not Pluto in Capricorn....
I think I'll keep a closer eye on the business and politics page on the news websites. worldwide share jitters
continue...
Personally, Pluto has now changed signs in my 1st house. I feel 'cautiously optimistic' now it's out of my main
ASC/B sign of i. Like the headache is over, but I should tread carefully anyways...
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #61 - on: 26.01.2008 at 15:16 [UT] »Davy, there is something potent about Ron Paul's campaign that is not being addressed by the media, butwhich the grassroots America is talking about in surprising numbers. Somebody is completely missing theboat on reporting on the impact this guy's ideas are having on our society.
Let us look at how long and slow the transit of Pluto through Capricorn will be, until 2023.

Paul is 72, butwhat he is planting the seeds for are thousands of college age students who have embraced his ideas and put
energy into his campaign now. That will translate in another decade of young leaders in our gov't venerating
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our economy.
Ron Paul is the seed being planted in this cycle.
His twinkling eyes full of ironic humor remind me of a leprechaun hanging from the chandelier at a party,
outraging everyone, while the children and young at heart applaud and cheer.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #62 - on: 26.01.2008 at 15:29 [UT] »I don't find this ingress in j very important, cause it will go into i for 5 months this year... so the second
ingress in j I find more important, cause it will be permanent thenJ dates this year...

25 januari... its first ingress in j
2 april... Pluto will go Rx @ 1j9'
15 june... Pluto ingresses i
9 september... Pluto will go direct @ 28i30'i
27 november... J ingresses j
This could seem like a turbulent year for ppl with lots of h (and eventual a energy) in their charts...
Personal important transitss Mc on 28 februari, 8 may and 20 decemberoB on 15 august and 3 october
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #63 - on: 26.01.2008 at 15:36 [UT] »I disagree about a planet retrograding being so significant. Because we felt the effects of it going into
Capricorn for the past two degrees of Sagittarius recently, and when it retrogrades, it goes only to mid 28
Sag., carrying the power of being in Capricorn with it. There is some unfinished business to clear up then, but
this time Pluto carries a new clout within it, like a kid who goes to college and realizes things about this worldand his life, and comes back to settle situations once and for all, before going off for good. The man is not
the same kid who left.
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Have you gone back in your life to trace the three dates when a transiting conjunction hits your planet,
retrograded back from it, and came back to hit it a third time? Which date is the catalyst ?
the realizing change must come? Which date is the final arrival?
All three have to do with the first.

Which date is

It is a cycle of awareness.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #64 - on: 26.01.2008 at 15:41 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 26.01.2008 at 15:36 [UT]:
I disagree about a planet retrograding being so significant.
Have you gone back in your life to trace the three dates when a transiting conjunction hits your planet, retrograded back from it, andcame back to hit it a third time? Which date is the catalyst ? Which date is the realizing change must come? Which date is the final
arrival?
All three have to do with the first. It is a cycle of awareness.

I don't know if it's important, I just mention it...
May be it will be important for ppl who have planets on the end of mutable signs or on the end of fire...
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #65 - on: 26.01.2008 at 16:12 [UT] »Hi all,I've been a bit nervous about this one for some time now, #Plu has been dancing on the cusp of my 6th housesince about midway feb 2005 (big relationship breakdown) and it's due to actually hit #Cap in a few hours(where i am). The sun has skipped on through to #Aqu, meanwhile #Jup and #Ven are hanging out making
aspects to my 6th house planets : #Nep #Sun and #Mer..... nice little stellium eh? (not to mention the other
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But back on topic however, im getting heaps of crazy aspects now, primarily to #Plu (due to my bowl chart),and on a day to day level i'm changing things at work, my body is not coping suddenly.. which fits the 6thhouse job/health idea.

(I swear i had narcolepsy for 12 months while #Plu was playing in #Nep's yard.)

Im forseeing sweeping changes personally, pluto has come to do some serious house cleaning. i just hope i
survive it! I've never really liked being a #Cap i think it's one of the Karmic hard roads. I felt my job slippingand got that sorted, im just worried my relationship will dissolve (#Nep in composite 6th squared by venus andsaturn, i reckon venus will run a muck while she catches up with old friends, until old cranky saturn moves infor the opposition mid-march)
So yeah. im freaking out.
(this particular chart is in the "post your chart" section, im killin for feedback)
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #66 - on: 26.01.2008 at 16:44 [UT] »Kaara, it is good to look at your life in terms of Pluto transformations, and transits into different houses.
They definitely affect your life in new ways.
I would say to look at your life like building blocks spread out all over the floor in chaos and a feeling ofconfusion, when they had previously been in a neat shape that you built, pushed tightly together and spellingout goals you thought you had.
it fell down.

New situations and time passing made that structure not hold together, andPosts: 3639
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coping. You heal your mind when you sleep, you know.

Your nerves get tight and you get exhausted fromAnd possibly let new subconscious ideas andpriorities take root.
So you are following these transits through your chart, and noticing when things get difficult? Being a
Capricorn is just one of the "courses" you have to take as your lives progress in evolved sequence. You are notjust a Capricorn, you contain all of the other signs in various levels, and you may be more the house whichyour Capricorn Sun is in than a Capricorn, anyway.
it is in.

You are definitely a combination of your Sun sign/House

Capricorn worries a lot and is not very positive in how things will turn out. My biggest help to you would be toturn to your North Node, all of its help, its Sabian Symbol for that degree, it's sign and house and theirrulers, as your point of grace and deliverance which will get you through this difficult time and reward you forbeing there. The Universe applauds our efforts in the North Node ! Doors open to you, and people make iteasier. Just concentrate on it for awhile.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #67 - on: 26.01.2008 at 17:05 [UT] »On a personal level, I have strong Scorp/Cap, Saturn/Pluto. I am welcoming this change (and I hope I won't
have to eat those words). As these energies are not alien to me, I hope I will be able to work with them in
beneficial ways.
I hope that we, as astrologers, will remain mindful of the historicity and observant of the collective dimensionsof this transit - this is the first time Pluto is in Capricorn when we have knowledge of Pluto's existence. We arewitnesses as well as participants.
Transiting Neptune is approaching its degree of discovery during this time, as well (26 Aq) - meaning, it is soon
to complete its first cycle of the zodiac since we have known, consciously, of Neptune. So, IMO, only now are
we in a position to begin to understand it.
If one takes the long view, these considerations are significant - beyond what hits they might make in our own
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #68 - on: 26.01.2008 at 17:16 [UT] »Thank you for that reminder Sumane.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #69 - on: 26.01.2008 at 19:15 [UT] »Quote from sumane on 26.01.2008 at 17:05 [UT]:
On a personal level, I have strong Scorp/Cap, Saturn/Pluto. I am welcoming this change (and I hope I won't have to eat those words). As these energies are not alien to me, I hope I will be able to work with them in beneficial ways.
I hope that we, as astrologers, will remain mindful of the historicity and observant of the collective dimensions of this transit - this is thefirst time Pluto is in Capricorn when we have knowledge of Pluto's existence. We are witnesses as well as participants.
Transiting Neptune is approaching its degree of discovery during this time, as well (26 Aq) - meaning, it is soon to complete its first cycleof the zodiac since we have known, consciously, of Neptune. So, IMO, only now are we in a position to begin to understand it.
If one takes the long view, these considerations are significant - beyond what hits they might make in our own charts.

Sumane I also have strong h and j. I am welcoming these huge changes also. Hopefully, they will have amore positive influence!!!
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #70 - on: 26.01.2008 at 20:23 [UT] »spiral 28
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #71 - on: 26.01.2008 at 22:08 [UT] »Jj is already working in me.
After years of freakign out about money and paring down my lfiestype, I finally decided (after listening to some
Carolyn Myss lectures) to give my money problems (lower chakra) to God and ask what it is that He needs me
to focus on from here on out, startign with my third, fourth and fifth chakras.
I have been praying for direction in my career and today God thrust the door open. I've been counselingparents about autism and dietary nutrition on a pro bono basis for a few years. But today is expanded beyond
that audience in a most powerful way. I friend of mine is moving and asked me to meet her for a "farewell"coffee gathering with some of her other friends. Many of them teachers, and some of them with children withsome health issues, at one point I started sharing what I knew, and I got inundated with questions. I SWEAR
this has never happened before in any casual setting before. It grew in momentum to quickly and fiercely that I
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flabbergasted as the engagement was actually to say good bye to our mutual friend, Sophie. Sophi ejust
smiled. I felt awkward as it was her moment, but that beloved Capricorn sage Buddhist friend of mine latercalled me to thank me for her gift, and I had to immediately tahnk her for inviting me. She promptly said, "I
knew you were supposed to be there. I just knew it and I had to make sure you could make it to coffee."
It made me think that my work is going to go beyond autism very quicly, and that my son's "illness" has been
the catalyst for me to go into a new career and byond. Oh... And my son is a Capricorn!
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #72 - on: 27.01.2008 at 07:57 [UT] »i think i was nervous cause i don't like change so much - and it's affecting areas of my life which i consider to be
major rocks of stability. I know i'll come out the other side and see why it was necessary. I can see aspects thati need activated for things to happen that I want. It's just a potentially unpleasant ride, cathartic in a sense,
and i've been working so hard at constructing my utopian dream! I'm comfortable! (na, not really, im itchingfor excitement)
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #73 - on: 27.01.2008 at 18:47 [UT] »My age hit me when, during yesterday evening's news, it was reported that the single c.d. will no longer bemade because everyone's downloading. Made me think of the first 78rpm vinyl record I ever bought, 'Little
Darlin', around the same time that some pelvis-wiggling lad from Memphis was lodging in Heartbreak Hotel.
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The beginning of the end of yet another era.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #74 - on: 27.01.2008 at 22:47 [UT] »A question for those that may have insight.
Natally, I have N and NN in an exact conjunction at 0 a. Having both of them square transiting pluto sounds
interesting.
Would someone know how I might feel this new transit?
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #75 - on: 28.01.2008 at 05:34 [UT] »Hermit, I see in my ephemeris that this combination happened in Feb. of 1969. Pluto was 24 Virgo conjunct
Neptune at 28 Virgo. Venus was conjunct Saturn in Aries that month, and your NN - Chiron were opposite
Uranus at 3 Libra and Jupiter at 5 Libra. Your South Node at 0 Libra makes a large stellium there from Pluto Neptune - SN - Uranus - Jupiter.

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through the conjunction. All opposite your NN - Chiron. In other words, you already has in place natally thecatalyst for change. Pluto coming to a square of these things in Cardinal signs is certainly indicative of majortransformations for you in whatever house they are found.
Decide what you want to transform in your life, because you have the tools to make it happen. Your South
Node shows an emotional weakness as far as constantly needing excitement that cannot settle down in one
groove and become cozy there. Making up your mind which way to go would keep your life in a constant stateof attention to new stimulus.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #76 - on: 28.01.2008 at 16:48 [UT] »Yes spiral, you're right. February 6, 1969.
I actually have moon, uranus and jupiter and south node all conjunct in the 5th. (Pluto is there as well but notconjunct.) And they ALL oppose NN and chiron in the 11th. So I was concerned concerned about Pluto for sure!
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Thanks for your insight and taking the time to look that stuff up!
Pluto will be squaring all of this stuff in the 8th. Hopefully this does not mean death will be all around me.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #77 - on: 28.01.2008 at 17:50 [UT] »Quote from Hermit on 28.01.2008 at 16:48 [UT]:
Yes spiral, you're right. February 6, 1969.
I actually have moon, uranus and jupiter and south node all conjunct in the 5th. (Pluto is there as well but not conjunct.) And they ALL
oppose NN and chiron in the 11th. So I was concerned concerned about Pluto for sure!
Thanks for your insight and taking the time to look that stuff up!
Pluto will be squaring all of this stuff in the 8th. Hopefully this does not mean death will be all around me.

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These parts fo our psyche do not serve us in the long run even though we can spend a lifetime convincing
ourselves that fear is our friend and saves us in ALL aspects of our lives. Fear can betray us, hold us back fromour true potential and keep us locked up in our own mind, thought patterns and behaviors that really don't aid
us. So when you get PLuto in your 2/8 house activation, you can heal fears by letting them die. Allowing yourhigher power to take care of your 2nd house and ask what is it the you are supposed to do every day can work
miracles. I've been experiencing this first hand as PLuto has released me from i so profoundly. I've
experienced the death of my ego, behaviors and pride that has kept me from being happy in my life in many
ways. I'm glad that has died. I'm glad all my partnerships and friendships have died. Because now I stand on
the cusp of rebilding a better me, and finding and forming better friendships and relationships. PLuto blessed
me with all he removed. He nearly drove me crazy when he was in my 12th house, but now I realize thegratitude I have for the choice that is available in my life that I never allowed myself to see before. I'm glad I'mable to start over.
So the 8th house of "death" is not always bad. That which dies in our lives that we no longer need can free us
from so much emotional baggage, you'll never realize how trapped you might have been in the first place. And
if your 2nd/8th house is activated is can mean you are free of any perceived dependency on the material world
you have wil be heal and your psychological attachments to those beleifs will come under scrutiny. And maybe
literal deaths occuring around you will aid you in that endeavor. When you are exposed to a lot of death you
can change in an instant, realize that life is short, gain a better sense of values, priorities and perspective inyour life. That which doesn't serve you will come to light and force great change up on your behavioral
patterns, asking you to change in a way that will be uncomfortable but nevertheless free you from restrictions
you never realized you had simming inside. My best advice is to try each day to welcome change, growth, andbe creative with how you conduct your life. Allow yourself the permission to change your mind, change career,change your focus and not give in to self doubt and fear of anything ever being taken away from you. Because
the truth is, if you call your spirit back from those places that you've allowed it to be preoccupied with, you can
become whole and self reliant. Once you are that, emotionally, spiritually and physically, all in balance, there isnothing left to worry about.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #78 - on: 28.01.2008 at 17:56 [UT] »Hi All,Just thinking about Pluto in Capricorn and this Sociéte Générale scandal - banks beware! A show I'm watchingas I write this is saying that worldwide, there is a crisis building in the banking sector. And as for the big
corporations...e.g. the Writer's Guild of America strike. I know it's just a drop in the bucket for the corps., but
I'm really happy to see the average "worker" stand up to the big monopolies.
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not too painful
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #79 - on: 28.01.2008 at 20:08 [UT] »I'm trying to figure out how to upload my chart from the "My Pictures" folder on my computer. I'm waiting for
a forum administrator to give me help. But in the meantime, I've got my chart in front of me.
I'd like to know how Pluto in Capricorn is going to affect three of my natal Cardinal planets within this year
2008. Here they are:Jupiter in Cancer, 5th house, 25 deg., 09'
Mercury in Libra, 7th house, 26 deg., 43'
Neptune in Libra, 7th house, 01 deg., 06'
For the record, there has been some horrible family hostility and greed going on since circa September 16,
2007 over the illness and estate of my mother. The greed and/or gold digging is not mine. But there are threefamily members who are making my life a living hell---so much that I want to move far away from this disease.

Thank you for any input as I have been suffering with several weeks of sleep deprivation over this unfortunate
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #80 - on: 28.01.2008 at 20:16 [UT] »After reading through a few messages, I should've posted the only Earth planet I have in my natal chart.
Moon in Virgo, 6th house, 24 deg., 23'
I don't know what this means in relationship to Pluto in Capricorn.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #81 - on: 29.01.2008 at 15:08 [UT] »Quote from Carol V on 28.01.2008 at 20:08 [UT]:
I'm trying to figure out how to upload my chart from the "My Pictures" folder on my computer. I'm waiting for a forum administrator togive me help. But in the meantime, I've got my chart in front of me.
I'd like to know how Pluto in Capricorn is going to affect three of my natal Cardinal planets within this year 2008. Here they are:Jupiter in Cancer, 5th house, 25 deg., 09'
Mercury in Libra, 7th house, 26 deg., 43'

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Neptune in Libra, 7th house, 01 deg., 06'
For the record, there has been some horrible family hostility and greed going on since circa September 16, 2007 over the illness andestate of my mother. The greed and/or gold digging is not mine. But there are three family members who are making my life a living
hell---so much that I want to move far away from this disease.
Thank you for any input as I have been suffering with several weeks of sleep deprivation over this unfortunate event.
Carol

Carol
I know the feeling as I have been going through the same sort of hell for 4yrs. now with my sister about ahouse annd it's killing me.
ALl I wanted to do is get everything sold off and move away from this hell ,but the house just does not want to
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #82 - on: 29.01.2008 at 17:19 [UT] »With Pluto square Neptune at 1 Libra, you could ruin your health if you stay there.

To allow yourself to go

down for the sake of getting money from a house that will not sell is not helpful to your forward progress thesedays. And when relatives suck the joy out of you, get out.
Just my experience. But you have to allow yourself to sacrifice the material for the spiritual.
albatross around your neck in favor of freedom and peace of mind.
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Gender:To let go of theThat symbol from WWII when the Jewish people had a window of opportunity to flee before the Nazis blocked
escape routes, but some had such beautiful things they could not move, an exquisite piano, a house full of
furniture, property and a business. They would stay and hold on to what they had rather than take a chancegoing somewhere they did not know about. And the window closed, and they were caught.
That example has always been a haunting reminder of just letting go. Another one from India that I love isthe monkey trap. Monkeys are greedy little things for food, and so all that is required is a box full of foodwith holes just large enough for the monkey to squeeze its hand longways to slide through the hole and grab
the food. As his captors come forward with nets, he screams and kicks and is terrified, but his grabbing
instincts for food will not allow him to release it, as his hand is in a tight fist full of what he loves, he cannot
let it go, and so he cannot slide his hand back out through the hole and escape. And he is caught.
I certainly do not mean to imply you are greedy to hold on to a house that must be sold for practical andeconomic reasons. But if an opportunity arises for a better life elsewhere, we must let go sometimes of what
we had counted on, and go toward the unknown, taking almost nothing for our journey, it seems, but inreality taking everything that is valuable within us.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #83 - on: 29.01.2008 at 17:43 [UT] »Very wise examples Spiral28, thanks.
Rgs,
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #84 - on: 29.01.2008 at 18:32 [UT] »What if Pluto in Capricorn energy is about stripping our symbols of affluence away, simplifying our lives down
to the bone and transforming the values of what the powers that be have told us is valuable ?
The death ofcultural bosses and consumer mind control? What we should wear. What we should drive. Where we should
live.

Saturn will be in Virgo until July 2010.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #85 - on: 29.01.2008 at 18:58 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 29.01.2008 at 18:32 [UT]:
What if Pluto in Capricorn energy is about stripping our symbols of affluence away, simplifying our lives down to the bone andtransforming the values of what the powers that be have told us is valuable ? The death of cultural bosses and consumer mind control?
What we should wear. What we should drive. Where we should live. Saturn will be in Virgo until July 2010.

This is exactly my experience---and my prayer. I have Saturn transiting in my f 2nd house now, and I keep
hearing my inner voice whispering "Less is best," and it is. Saturn in Virgo and Pluto in Capricorn--both arecompatible with the Protestant Ethic---character, integrity and productivity. Blends well with Virgo ideals ofservice, frugality, and humility. And responsible political leadership (oxymoron?)
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #86 - on: 29.01.2008 at 20:03 [UT] »SpiralSometimes we do not have to much choice in the matter. I cannot leave due to lack of funds so I need to workand get on with things as best as I can.
As for others I cannot speak for them,but I know thre are many far worst off then I.
The Holocust is a drastic analogy which I have used before also.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #87 - on: 29.01.2008 at 20:51 [UT] »Quote from Astro Healer on 29.01.2008 at 15:08 [UT]:
Quote from Carol V on 28.01.2008 at 20:08 [UT]:
I'm trying to figure out how to upload my chart from the "My Pictures" folder on my computer. I'm waiting for a forum
administrator to give me help. But in the meantime, I've got my chart in front of me.
I'd like to know how Pluto in Capricorn is going to affect three of my natal Cardinal planets within this year 2008. Herethey are:Jupiter in Cancer, 5th house, 25 deg., 09'
Mercury in Libra, 7th house, 26 deg., 43'
Neptune in Libra, 7th house, 01 deg., 06'
For the record, there has been some horrible family hostility and greed going on since circa September 16, 2007 over theillness and estate of my mother. The greed and/or gold digging is not mine. But there are three family members who aremaking my life a living hell---so much that I want to move far away from this disease.
Thank you for any input as I have been suffering with several weeks of sleep deprivation over this unfortunate event.
Carol

Carol
I know the feeling as I have been going through the same sort of hell for 4yrs. now with my sister about a house annd it's killing me.
ALl I wanted to do is get everything sold off and move away from this hell ,but the house just does not want to let go as the market
crashed.

I seriously believe that is what I'll have to do when Mom expires: move far away. Three of us sisters will have a
combined 56% interest in the property when she dies. I'm hoping we can find a way to over-ride our greedy
brother and sell the home. He's 77 years of age and lived home all his life, excluding a 3-year stint in theservice.
I guess you call this the Tropical Placidus in my natal chart.
37N52'18" 122W16'18"
Does anyone know if Sebastopol, California would be a good place for me to move? Or maybe back to
Calistoga, California?
I appreciate the input and understanding.
Carol
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #88 - on: 29.01.2008 at 21:38 [UT] »Hi Spiral 28,
Relatives are not only sucking the joy out of me. They are sucking the life out of me. I despise the greed,
viciousness, hedonism, and errant pomposity of some family members regarding my mother's estate and hercurrent monthly income.
I have been talking to God and reading the Bible. That has helped. But this dang family crap that keeps
landing on my doorstep, when I least expect it, is wiping me out. I'm doing everything in my power tomaintain my diplomacy and that's not easy, but for the most part, I'm doing it.
I'm glad this forum is here as I gather strength from others. Thank you all for that.
Carol

Quote from Spiral 28 on 29.01.2008 at 17:19 [UT]:With Pluto square Neptune at 1 Libra, you could ruin your health if you stay there. To allow yourself to go down for the sake of getting
money from a house that will not sell is not helpful to your forward progress these days. And when relatives suck the joy out of you, getout.
Just my experience. But you have to allow yourself to sacrifice the material for the spiritual. To let go of the albatross around your neck infavor of freedom and peace of mind.
That symbol from WWII when the Jewish people had a window of opportunity to flee before the Nazis blocked escape routes, but somehad such beautiful things they could not move, an exquisite piano, a house full of furniture, property and a business. They would stay andhold on to what they had rather than take a chance going somewhere they did not know about. And the window closed, and they werecaught.
That example has always been a haunting reminder of just letting go. Another one from India that I love is the monkey trap. Monkeys are
greedy little things for food, and so all that is required is a box full of food with holes just large enough for the monkey to squeeze its
hand longways to slide through the hole and grab the food. As his captors come forward with nets, he screams and kicks and is terrified,but his grabbing instincts for food will not allow him to release it, as his hand is in a tight fist full of what he loves, he cannot let it go,
and so he cannot slide his hand back out through the hole and escape. And he is caught.
I certainly do not mean to imply you are greedy to hold on to a house that must be sold for practical and economic reasons. But if an
opportunity arises for a better life elsewhere, we must let go sometimes of what we had counted on, and go toward the unknown, taking
almost nothing for our journey, it seems, but in reality taking everything that is valuable within us.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #89 - on: 29.01.2008 at 22:26 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 29.01.2008 at 18:32 [UT]:
What if Pluto in Capricorn energy is about stripping our symbols of affluence away, simplifying our lives down to the bone andtransforming the values of what the powers that be have told us is valuable ? The death of cultural bosses and consumer mind control?
What we should wear. What we should drive. Where we should live. Saturn will be in Virgo until July 2010.

What if I've been there, done that, bought the T-shirt?
What's another possible interpretation?
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #90 - on: 29.01.2008 at 22:44 [UT] »Seeing how much pressure you can take, pushing yourself as far as you can stand it, withstanding the slow
water torture, that is Scorpio and that is Pluto when applied by Saturn/Capicorn. Even the good aspects. I
have Pluto 4 Leo and Saturn 4 Gemini, 11th sextile to the 1st houses, and from the start I was warned, "Youwill learn how to endure hard times." "Able to discipline yourself so that you get along with as little aspossible."

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No t-shirts;

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #91 - on: 29.01.2008 at 23:51 [UT] »For a long time, I've felt that struggle is my middle name. Do the squares and retrogrades interfere with mycreative writing career? Something is getting in my way. There is a negative influence somewhere. And I haveoften jokingly told myself to put blinders on my head so that my vision is focused straight ahead. I appreciate
any input you have to offer. Thank you.
Pluto 7 deg. Leo in the 5th
Jupiter 25 deg. Cancer 5th
Saturn 11 deg. Gemini in the 3rd, retro
Uranus 3 deg. Gemini 2nd, retro
Moon 24 deg. Virgo 6th
Mercury 26 deg. Libra 7th
Neptune 01 deg. Libra 7th
Pisces rising
Pluto in Leo squares planets in Scorpio below
Sun 11 deg. 8thVenus 9 deg. 8thMars 2 deg. 7th.

Seeing how much pressure you can take, pushing yourself as far as you can stand it, withstanding the slow
water torture, that is Scorpio and that is Pluto when applied by Saturn/Capicorn. Even the good aspects.
I have Pluto 4 Leo and Saturn 4 Gemini, 11th sextile to the 1st houses, and from the start I was warned,"You will learn how to endure hard times." "Able to discipline yourself so that you get alone with as little aspossible."
But it makes us tough, it gives us a strength we didn't know we had, and because things work slowly we workfor, they are more long lasting.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #92 - on: 30.01.2008 at 00:08 [UT] »I have not read all of the recent posts but don't have to. Wanted to respond to this one. I have a VERY longtime friend, where we'd co-miserate this very point, "I can't leave...." I said it for years, Pluto on me for over a
decade, with 3 planets in Sag. Really, seriously, like the Hitler analogy, when the planet was discovered, it really
IS inevitable. I finally DID get out, and after so many years, it has be tough picking up and moving forward,
but RE: the other guy who is a Cancer (Jupiter in Sag), I told him that he MUST get ready. If he doesn't
something will happen and HE WILL HAVE to move, like hurricane, etc. Where he lives, it would be a fire and heknows it. It really boils down to power. Trying to stretch a little farther or letting the powers that be TAKE over,Posts: 935

wherever it is supposed to come from, I believe all under this influence WILL have to leave eventually. I was in a
depressed state (not emotional, midwestern!
) The worst of it, I feel is the strong Scorp in my chart, which
is NOT good about change, making the whole move on more dramatic. But just as rainbows are ironically ruled
by Sag, the expansive, travel planet, 'first aid' comes in the 11th hour. Not sure, actually how that will workout with Capricorn
hhhmm it rules money doesn't it!?! So somehow, in a way you don't see now, it WILL
be there, when it is supposed to be. EXPECT IT. In the back of your mind, just know that while it might feel likea slow drip, the MOVE is most likely eminent. It's the test of a lifetime.
Pass it.
peace
Seahorse
Quote from Astro Healer on 29.01.2008 at 20:03 [UT]:SpiralSometimes we do not have to much choice in the matter. I cannot leave due to lack of funds so I need to work and get on with things asbest as I can.
As for others I cannot speak for them,but I know thre are many far worst off then I.
The Holocust is a drastic analogy which I have used before also.
Good thinking.I wonder if I had something to do in that time.My family comes from that area.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #93 - on: 30.01.2008 at 00:15 [UT] »Yea, too bad one can't buy stock in thrift shops! I've donated so much in the last decade (and am NOT doneyet!
)! I just wonder what is going to happen to our poor earth, Capricorn-Pluto, where is all of everybodys
stuff going to go!!? Where I live, when someone is done with a car, they just drive it OUT THERE and leave it!
It's mid-boggling.
collectively, I can't imagine how the human culture will survive with all the plastic, and trash that does NOT
break down easily.
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I guess there'a meteror coming. Maybe someone can discover a way to mass it all up in a ball and send it up,
bomb-style out into outer space and start polluting outer space
Sea
Quote from Astro Healer on 29.01.2008 at 15:08 [UT]:
Quote from Carol V on 28.01.2008 at 20:08 [UT]:
I'm trying to figure out how to upload my chart from the "My Pictures" folder on my computer. I'm waiting for a forum
administrator to give me help. But in the meantime, I've got my chart in front of me.
I'd like to know how Pluto in Capricorn is going to affect three of my natal Cardinal planets within this year 2008. Herethey are:Jupiter in Cancer, 5th house, 25 deg., 09'
Mercury in Libra, 7th house, 26 deg., 43'
Neptune in Libra, 7th house, 01 deg., 06'
For the record, there has been some horrible family hostility and greed going on since circa September 16, 2007 over theillness and estate of my mother. The greed and/or gold digging is not mine. But there are three family members who aremaking my life a living hell---so much that I want to move far away from this disease.
Thank you for any input as I have been suffering with several weeks of sleep deprivation over this unfortunate event.
Carol

Carol
I know the feeling as I have been going through the same sort of hell for 4yrs. now with my sister about a house annd it's killing me.
ALl I wanted to do is get everything sold off and move away from this hell ,but the house just does not want to let go as the market
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #94 - on: 30.01.2008 at 00:59 [UT] »Quote:
ALl I wanted to do is get everything sold off and move away from this hell ,but the house just does not want to let go as the market
crashed.

When i read this I thought I must have written it! I wouldn't call my house a "hell", but I do want to sell
everything and get my life downsized. My big old house is not selling either and I cannot stand having toupkeep it anymore. ANd now that Cis Rx, it's just another aggravation.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #95 - on: 30.01.2008 at 01:02 [UT] »The guy I was talking about has tried to GIVE his house away and can't even do THAT@!
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 30.01.2008 at 00:59 [UT]:
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ALl I wanted to do is get everything sold off and move away from this hell ,but the house just does not want to let go as
the market crashed.

When i read this I thought I must have written it! I wouldn't call my house a "hell", but I do want to sell everything and get my life

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downsized. My big old house is not selling either and I cannot stand having to upkeep it anymore. ANd now that

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #96 - on: 30.01.2008 at 01:03 [UT] »I have always been willing to strip things down to the bone, despite a stellilum in Sagittarius that includes
Jupiter. I do that happily, because for me it's an affirming sign that my life is changing. For the better?
Eventually, it always has been so. And that's when the Sagittarius kicks in - periods of expansion have always
followed periods of contraction/stasis/purging.
I am a Scorpio Sun conj MC, have Pluto in early Virgo trine a conjunction of Saturn/ASC in early Cap. Both
Pluto and Saturn sextile the Sun/MC. Saturn rules the chart and Pluto rules my Sun.
Progressed Sun is at 29 Sag, gearing up to move into Cap, where it will tag along with t. Pluto for the next few
years.
For people my age, right now t. Saturn is conj n. Pluto, and t. Pluto is within orb of conj n. Saturn. In earth.
For those who are not accustomed to these energies - I'm not saying they're easy; they're certainly not - justthink about what you might be able to do, in tiny doses and in the day-to-day realm, to try to help yourself getout of your own way. Both Saturn and Pluto show/test the structures (more Saturn's responsibility), and bothSaturn and Pluto will reshape them (more Pluto's area, but Saturn likes reorganizations/efficiency, especially in
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #97 - on: 30.01.2008 at 01:08 [UT] »Quote from seahorse08 on 30.01.2008 at 01:02 [UT]:The guy I was talking about has tried to GIVE his house away and can't even do THAT@!
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 30.01.2008 at 00:59 [UT]:
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ALl I wanted to do is get everything sold off and move away from this hell ,but the house just does not wantto let go as the market crashed.

When i read this I thought I must have written it! I wouldn't call my house a "hell", but I do want to sell everything andget my life downsized. My big old house is not selling either and I cannot stand having to upkeep it anymore. ANd now
that

Cis Rx, it's just another aggravation.

Love and blessings,

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #98 - on: 30.01.2008 at 02:36 [UT] »I obviously totally agree. To me, Jupiter's lesson is NOT to hold on too tightly, where it stops the flow ofprosperity. As long as the Sag doesn't have the fingers TOO loose.... Of course, I GET thecontraction/expansion thing but I wonder if those who don't have the Sag prevalence in them will get it??
RE: the Cancer dude again, the Crab basically is held hostage in his house. He just finished his 2nd Saturn
return and has Capricorn moon. A bunch of years back, he lost everything in the stock market. There's more
but I'll stop here.
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Quote from sumane on 30.01.2008 at 01:03 [UT]:
I have always been willing to strip things down to the bone, despite a stellilum in Sagittarius that includes Jupiter. I do that happily,
because for me it's an affirming sign that my life is changing. For the better? Eventually, it always has been so. And that's when the
Sagittarius kicks in - periods of expansion have always followed periods of contraction/stasis/purging.
I am a Scorpio Sun conj MC, have Pluto in early Virgo trine a conjunction of Saturn/ASC in early Cap. Both Pluto and Saturn sextile theSun/MC. Saturn rules the chart and Pluto rules my Sun.
Progressed Sun is at 29 Sag, gearing up to move into Cap, where it will tag along with t. Pluto for the next few years.
For people my age, right now t. Saturn is conj n. Pluto, and t. Pluto is within orb of conj n. Saturn. In earth.
For those who are not accustomed to these energies - I'm not saying they're easy; they're certainly not - just think about what you might
be able to do, in tiny doses and in the day-to-day realm, to try to help yourself get out of your own way. Both Saturn and Pluto show/test
the structures (more Saturn's responsibility), and both Saturn and Pluto will reshape them (more Pluto's area, but Saturn likes
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #99 - on: 30.01.2008 at 05:02 [UT] »That's just it. I like living alone and I am not materialistic. I trust that's what you are talking about. Humph!
Old reflections from years ago are flashing through mind right now. It must that dang Chiron in Leo in thesixth because I use to talk about moving to the mountains and talking to the grizzly bears. I felt that bears
were more humane than homosapiens. I have since altered my thinking---about the bears, anyhow.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #100 - on: 30.01.2008 at 14:06 [UT] »Thanks, Carole, I just noticed this in your quote, my typo of "getting alone" instead of " getting along", buteither one works as people struggle to simplify their lives, even when they are in relationships or within afamily.
It is a feeling of being strong enough within to withstand the outer chaos and changes going around about you.
Being centered in what you have found to hold you steady.
Then all of the cultural garbage that wants you
to buy the flavor of the month just flows right past you without a feeling you are missing out on anything.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #101 - on: 30.01.2008 at 14:30 [UT] »Good morning, Spiral, and thank you for clarifying. For years, I have noticed that "getting alone" helps me
recharge my energy so that I can try to "get along". Yes, to everything you've mentioned. I am working on
clearing out the clutter in both my personal and social arenas. And for about a year, I've been (working on)
clearing out the clutter in my home, too. I feel the need to lighten my load.
Thank you for sharing.---Carol
Thanks, Carole, I just noticed this in your quote, my typo of "getting alone" instead of " getting along", buteither one works as people struggle to simplify their lives, even when they are in relationships or within afamily.
It is a feeling of being strong enough within to withstand the outer chaos and changes going around about you.
[u]Being centered in what you have found to hold you steady. [/u] Then all of the cultural garbage thatwants you to buy the flavor of the month just flows right past you without a feeling you are missing out onanything.
Yes, Saturn in Virgo is very strict and almost "purging" in making the life cleaner with less "fat" and clutter.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #102 - on: 30.01.2008 at 14:42 [UT] »I just found this online and want to share it with you. I think I may have found my big, "Ouch!" I don't know
who wrote this but it humbles me.
In all you do, imbibe in you the essence of compassion ...
a resolve to be tender with the young, compassionate
with the aged, sympathetic with the striving, andtolerant with the weak and wrong... because sometimein your life you will have been all of these.
Carol
I know the feeling as I have been going through the same sort of hell for 4yrs. now with my sister about ahouse annd it's killing me.
ALl I wanted to do is get everything sold off and move away from this hell ,but the house just does not want to
let go as the market crashed.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #103 - on: 30.01.2008 at 14:47 [UT] »Quote from Carol V on 29.01.2008 at 20:51 [UT]:
Quote from Astro Healer on 29.01.2008 at 15:08 [UT]:
Quote from Carol V on 28.01.2008 at 20:08 [UT]:
I'm trying to figure out how to upload my chart from the "My Pictures" folder on my computer. I'm waiting
for a forum administrator to give me help. But in the meantime, I've got my chart in front of me.
I'd like to know how Pluto in Capricorn is going to affect three of my natal Cardinal planets within this year
2008. Here they are:Posts: 1639
Gender:Jupiter in Cancer, 5th house, 25 deg., 09'
Mercury in Libra, 7th house, 26 deg., 43'
Neptune in Libra, 7th house, 01 deg., 06'
For the record, there has been some horrible family hostility and greed going on since circa September 16,
2007 over the illness and estate of my mother. The greed and/or gold digging is not mine. But there arethree family members who are making my life a living hell---so much that I want to move far away fromthis disease.
Thank you for any input as I have been suffering with several weeks of sleep deprivation over thisunfortunate event.
Carol

Carol
I know the feeling as I have been going through the same sort of hell for 4yrs. now with my sister about a house annd it's
killing me.
ALl I wanted to do is get everything sold off and move away from this hell ,but the house just does not want to let go as
the market crashed.

I seriously believe that is what I'll have to do when Mom expires: move far away. Three of us sisters will have a combined 56% interest in
the property when she dies. I'm hoping we can find a way to over-ride our greedy brother and sell the home. He's 77 years of age andlived home all his life, excluding a 3-year stint in the service.
I guess you call this the Tropical Placidus in my natal chart.
37N52'18" 122W16'18"
Does anyone know if Sebastopol, California would be a good place for me to move? Or maybe back to Calistoga, California?
I appreciate the input and understanding.
Carol

Carol:
It's been a long while since I looked into Relocation Astrology,but as for me it would be Pismo Beach I would
love to move to.
I liked CA, when I lived there ,but it takes a lot of planning and I do not wish to live in the desert or inlandfrom the water as I have Cancer rising.
If you wish send me your data and at some point I shall look into it,but I am extemely busy at this time.
One thing that others have done is find out when the town or city was founded and the AStrography for theplace.Pluto places and Saturn overhead places should be avoided.
I had one done and it said Paris would be the place for me.I really don't know ,but the East Coast seems to bea bad place for me as Pluto was overhead when I was born in NY.I am a very Plutonic person anyway.
May the stars favor your decision and things go smooth for any loss that occurs . No matter how much we
prepare it is never easy.
If you were born close to where you wish to move to then the likely of major changes is slim.If OTOH know thedate of the Incorperation it might help you much more.
I wish I had written down and saved what others have done in that aspect of astrology.I have a few books,but
they go by the places Long/Lat which is not as reliable as much as having the toens date of incorp if you ask
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #104 - on: 30.01.2008 at 15:08 [UT] »Spiral,I forgot I had this tacked on my wall. This is an excerpt.
"Saturn is the ruler of responsibilities; how we structure our lives, where we set our bounderies and how weface our limits""Since Virgo is the sign of work, health and service, start with a thorough health analysis of your important
relationships, including the one within yourself.""Ask yourself: How healthy are you: mind, body and spirit? How does your life reflect that -- or not? It's time
to de-stress."
Voila! and another, "Ouch!"
Carol

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #105 - on: 30.01.2008 at 16:16 [UT] »Greetings Astro Healer,Thank you so much for replying as I honestly believe a major, and final, move is imminent. I need guidanceand don't know anything about Relocation Astrology. But I will search the net and research this topic tofamiliarize myself with it.
I like living near a body of water, too. And for years I wanted to move to Morro Bay (or near to it), but didn't
follow through on that. I like college towns, too, and San Luis Obisbo is close to Morro Bay. Ironically, rightnow I live about 100 yards from a lake.
I need more explanation of these two variables. You say:
1. Pluto places and Saturn overhead places should be avoided.
Do you mean city or townships that are ruled by these planets? And I don't know what "Saturn overhead"means.
2. If you were born close to where you wish to move to then the likely of major changes is slim.
How close is close?
I uploaded my chart today and you can see that I was born in Berkeley, CA. But I have no desire to go back to
the Bay Area.
I respect your time and space. I will search so I can learn more.
Thanks you so much for taking an interest in my plight.
Carol-------------------------Carol wrote:
Does anyone know if Sebastopol, California would be a good place for me to move? Or maybe back to
Calistoga, California?
-------------------------Astro Healer wrote:
Carol:
It's been a long while since I looked into Relocation Astrology,but as for me it would be Pismo Beach I would
love to move to.
I liked CA, when I lived there ,but it takes a lot of planning and I do not wish to live in the desert or inlandfrom the water as I have Cancer rising.
If you wish send me your data and at some point I shall look into it,but I am extemely busy at this time.
One thing that others have done is find out when the town or city was founded and the AStrography for theplace.Pluto places and Saturn overhead places should be avoided.
I had one done and it said Paris would be the place for me.I really don't know ,but the East Coast seems to bea bad place for me as Pluto was overhead when I was born in NY.I am a very Plutonic person anyway.
May the stars favor your decision and things go smooth for any loss that occurs . No matter how much we
prepare it is never easy.
If you were born close to where you wish to move to then the likely of major changes is slim. If OTOH know thedate of the Incorperation it might help you much more.
I wish I had written down and saved what others have done in that aspect of astrology.I have a few books,but
they go by the places Long/Lat which is not as reliable as much as having the toens date of incorp if you ask
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #106 - on: 31.01.2008 at 07:13 [UT] »I definitely don't mean to sound like any sort of expert here but my belief, through experience and observationis that the answer will find you. I feel that a lot of research might be wasted energy. It becomes a path of least
resistence and when the time is right or the time comes to move, whether or not the native is ready, holdingback from the move is more painful and 'expensive' than just to go. Scorpio is secrets, the underworld and thehealer, in the higher vibration. Seriously, I was living in a basement or underthings for much of the tenure of
Pluto in Sag. I don't mean to imply that THAT will to everyone but I'll bet I was not the only one. Since
Capricorn is the moutaingoat or mountainfish, as I just learned. Maybe water or mountains are favored in thisround
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Seahorse
Quote from Carol V on 30.01.2008 at 16:16 [UT]:
Greetings Astro Healer,Thank you so much for replying as I honestly believe a major, and final, move is imminent. I need guidance and don't know anything
about Relocation Astrology. But I will search the net and research this topic to familiarize myself with it.
I like living near a body of water, too. And for years I wanted to move to Morro Bay (or near to it), but didn't follow through on that. I
like college towns, too, and San Luis Obisbo is close to Morro Bay. Ironically, right now I live about 100 yards from a lake.
I need more explanation of these two variables. You say:
1. Pluto places and Saturn overhead places should be avoided.
Do you mean city or townships that are ruled by these planets? And I don't know what "Saturn overhead" means.
2. If you were born close to where you wish to move to then the likely of major changes is slim.
How close is close?
I uploaded my chart today and you can see that I was born in Berkeley, CA. But I have no desire to go back to the Bay Area.
I respect your time and space. I will search so I can learn more.
Thanks you so much for taking an interest in my plight.
Carol-------------------------Carol wrote:
Does anyone know if Sebastopol, California would be a good place for me to move? Or maybe back to Calistoga, California?
-------------------------Astro Healer wrote:
Carol:
It's been a long while since I looked into Relocation Astrology,but as for me it would be Pismo Beach I would love to move to.
I liked CA, when I lived there ,but it takes a lot of planning and I do not wish to live in the desert or inland from the water as I have
Cancer rising.
If you wish send me your data and at some point I shall look into it,but I am extemely busy at this time.
One thing that others have done is find out when the town or city was founded and the AStrography for the place.Pluto places and Saturn
overhead places should be avoided.
I had one done and it said Paris would be the place for me.I really don't know ,but the East Coast seems to be a bad place for me as Pluto
was overhead when I was born in NY.I am a very Plutonic person anyway.
May the stars favor your decision and things go smooth for any loss that occurs . No matter how much we prepare it is never easy.
If you were born close to where you wish to move to then the likely of major changes is slim. If OTOH know the date of the Incorperation
it might help you much more.
I wish I had written down and saved what others have done in that aspect of astrology.I have a few books,but they go by the places
Long/Lat which is not as reliable as much as having the toens date of incorp if you ask me.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #107 - on: 31.01.2008 at 07:52 [UT] »Carolregarding Saturn and Pluto placements I am refering to what is called the Astrography Line that run through achart for the placement at birth usually and then there is the whole subject of where they fall for you when
doing a relocation chart.

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Gender:If you do not move far from where you are born then it really does not make a difference,but The Incorperation
Date of cities was discussed at another BB and is very interesting to find out about when matched to the Natalchart.If there is a certain good aspect inolving Venus let's say it would promote good business or good fotune.
Pluto and saturn are Malefics and I would avoid having a move to a place where they run through the location
chart using Astrography or the Location chart is fixed to that point or on an angle for instance or conjunct oneof you natal planets that would make a misfortunate aspect..
Solar return charts are similar in that context as people will go to a place just so the houses align a cerain way
when their Solar returns happen for the coming year.I do not think it makes a major diff ,but tto each theirown.
To do a Relocation chart all you need do is change the Location of the Lat/Long and timezone for the place you
wish to go for the moment of your birth to see how the planets align.Then press the Asrography setting to readthe lines running through the chart.It is not to complicated. I use Astrolog only due to using it for so long andit is freeware to use.I use to have to do charts by hand before I used that or tried other programs tht where allcolor and nivce ,but not what I wanted.
Seahorse that is good advice and many go to far overboard on things I admit,but also I have been to places
that just are not good for me.I do believe that the Incorp date\founding of the City is the best way to see
what is going on along with using the Astrography chart.
Pluto runs through NY when I was born and is very focal to me.I have a very Plutonic life living on the East
Coast,but not as much when I lived on the West Coast.When in Mexico it seems the world is lifted off myshoulders and I have heard about just going places there is a certain feel to all places for each person.That is
hard to put into words,but I heard on a radio show by someone that did research into it.
Hope that helps!
Quote from Carol V on 30.01.2008 at 16:16 [UT]:
Greetings Astro Healer,Thank you so much for replying as I honestly believe a major, and final, move is imminent. I need guidance and don't know anything
about Relocation Astrology. But I will search the net and research this topic to familiarize myself with it.
I like living near a body of water, too. And for years I wanted to move to Morro Bay (or near to it), but didn't follow through on that. I
like college towns, too, and San Luis Obisbo is close to Morro Bay. Ironically, right now I live about 100 yards from a lake.
I need more explanation of these two variables. You say:
1. Pluto places and Saturn overhead places should be avoided.
Do you mean city or townships that are ruled by these planets? And I don't know what "Saturn overhead" means.
2. If you were born close to where you wish to move to then the likely of major changes is slim.
How close is close?
I uploaded my chart today and you can see that I was born in Berkeley, CA. But I have no desire to go back to the Bay Area.
I respect your time and space. I will search so I can learn more.
Thanks you so much for taking an interest in my plight.
Carol-------------------------Carol wrote:
Does anyone know if Sebastopol, California would be a good place for me to move? Or maybe back to Calistoga, California?
-------------------------Astro Healer wrote:
Carol:
It's been a long while since I looked into Relocation Astrology,but as for me it would be Pismo Beach I would love to move to.
I liked CA, when I lived there ,but it takes a lot of planning and I do not wish to live in the desert or inland from the water as I have
Cancer rising.
If you wish send me your data and at some point I shall look into it,but I am extemely busy at this time.
One thing that others have done is find out when the town or city was founded and the AStrography for the place.Pluto places and Saturn
overhead places should be avoided.
I had one done and it said Paris would be the place for me.I really don't know ,but the East Coast seems to be a bad place for me as Pluto
was overhead when I was born in NY.I am a very Plutonic person anyway.
May the stars favor your decision and things go smooth for any loss that occurs . No matter how much we prepare it is never easy.
If you were born close to where you wish to move to then the likely of major changes is slim. If OTOH know the date of the Incorperation
it might help you much more.
I wish I had written down and saved what others have done in that aspect of astrology.I have a few books,but they go by the places
Long/Lat which is not as reliable as much as having the toens date of incorp if you ask me.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #108 - on: 31.01.2008 at 17:04 [UT] »Hi Seahorse,Thank you for your input. Yesterday I did a lot of personal reflections, asking myself why did I move when I
did? I'm not going to go into everything I came up with because I have had too many moves, and some out ofstate. But I do know this: the next move I make will be based on my own decision and that will incororatemuch to do with my age and personal needs. But if it is in the stars for me to move, I won't until after mymother has expired. She is the reason why I moved back to this county three years ago.
Have a super day.
Carol-------------Seahorse wrote:
I definitely don't mean to sound like any sort of expert here but my belief, through experience and observationis that the answer will find you. I feel that a lot of research might be wasted energy. It becomes a path of least
resistence and when the time is right or the time comes to move, whether or not the native is ready, holdingback from the move is more painful and 'expensive' than just to go. Scorpio is secrets, the underworld and thehealer, in the higher vibration. Seriously, I was living in a basement or underthings for much of the tenure of
Pluto in Sag. I don't mean to imply that THAT will to everyone but I'll bet I was not the only one. Since
Capricorn is the moutaingoat or mountainfish, as I just learned. Maybe water or mountains are favored in thisround
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #109 - on: 31.01.2008 at 17:31 [UT] »Wow, Astro Healer,
You are a teacher and I appreciate your expertise. Yesterday I searched the net and bookmarked several sites
on Astrocartography and Relocation Astrology. And in my search I ran across topics on Treasure Maps, etc. I
don't remember running across any "freeware" sites for Astrography, but I will look today. I'm also going tocopy and paste your message below and print it out.
I know what you mean about entering towns and cities and having a certain feel for the environment---kind of
like, wearing a coat that swathes the body in comfort and security. That has happened to me a few times in myshort travels. Morro Bay, CA did that for me, and I've been three times. I've also been through towns where I
couldn't wait to leave because I'd get an uneasy feeling that would come over me. And I've been throughtowns where I knew if I wasn't alert, I would get lost. And other towns, I knew I had no worries of getting lost.
I have a lot to digest here. Thanks. This is very interesting and I thank you for your guidance.
Have a super day.
Carol----------------------------------Carol
regarding Saturn and Pluto placements I am refering to what is called the Astrography Line that run through achart for the placement at birth usually and then there is the whole subject of where they fall for you when
doing a relocation chart.
If you do not move far from where you are born then it really does not make a difference,but The Incorperation
Date of cities was discussed at another BB and is very interesting to find out about when matched to the Natalchart.If there is a certain good aspect inolving Venus let's say it would promote good business or good fotune.
Pluto and saturn are Malefics and I would avoid having a move to a place where they run through the location
chart using Astrography or the Location chart is fixed to that point or on an angle for instance or conjunct oneof you natal planets that would make a misfortunate aspect..
Solar return charts are similar in that context as people will go to a place just so the houses align a cerain way
when their Solar returns happen for the coming year.I do not think it makes a major diff ,but tto each theirown.
To do a Relocation chart all you need do is change the Location of the Lat/Long and timezone for the place you
wish to go for the moment of your birth to see how the planets align.Then press the Asrography setting to readthe lines running through the chart.It is not to complicated. I use Astrolog only due to using it for so long andit is freeware to use.I use to have to do charts by hand before I used that or tried other programs tht where allcolor and nivce ,but not what I wanted.
Seahorse that is good advice and many go to far overboard on things I admit,but also I have been to places
that just are not good for me.I do believe that the Incorp date\founding of the City is the best way to see
what is going on along with using the Astrography chart.
Pluto runs through NY when I was born and is very focal to me.I have a very Plutonic life living on the East
Coast,but not as much when I lived on the West Coast.When in Mexico it seems the world is lifted off myshoulders and I have heard about just going places there is a certain feel to all places for each person.That is
hard to put into words,but I heard on a radio show by someone that did research into it.
Hope that helps!

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Member« Reply #110 - on: 02.02.2008 at 16:24 [UT] »I feel a lot of things need to be considered...some "past", some in the "here and now" and some just aroundthe corner...
clearly econimically...the "artificial dollar" (credit) will certainly be held accountable, that's just the nature ofsaturn and Pluto will help with the "abortion"...
our medical industry...with the profit on the dollar associated with "drugs" compared with the level of healthcare available and to whom, will also be overturned (this is not "new" news to us, from our presidential
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and our educational programs...Saturn is "the teacher", so upheavals and "reastructuring" will begin totransform there as well...
Given the beautiful rings that sit around Saturn, I'd say we need to consider some of what lies ahead, as aresult of the "restructuring" that Pluto is about to "transform", as something beautiful..and I suppose neptune
in my 8th house causes me to "gloss" this over somewhat...
Saturn in Virgo is definately getting our attention on the details...and specifically "which" details will be as widein variety as we are, in individuals with our interest...
As Pluto gets the footing in Cap, Jupiter will sit there as well, for a year... so I "believe" the option of "positivity"
exists...isn't Jupiter about the "big picture", and who better to hold the hand of Pluto and lead the way...afterCap, Jupiter moves into "freedom" loving Aquarius and breaking all the rules, with "truth" at its foundation, it
won't be long before Saturn knocks on Libra's door, instilling "balance" and a more equal approach...
I know this is only a partial view of the entire chart...it's as far as my learnings have taken me...but not lacking
in relevance, as I have a whole lotta saturn in my chart...I also have Jupiter in Scorpio in the 9th House...pretty
sure there's components that make it more optimistic than what most people would intuit...so if it's rosecolored glasses I'm wearing...well then I think I'll just keep them...the world looks much more inviting on thisside of them...
The thing I can say about all the saturn in my life...those beautiful rings come with work... and yet each of us
have our own gifts and talents, with signs and houses to distinguish which area's we can contribute too...
...we do live on planet "earth", that's not the heavens yet...and so a "reality" check in big and small ways, iswhat all of us will be facing...the one thing each of us needs to ask ourselves, is this:"are we ready" for that reality check...
triciaps really enjoying the "like-mindedness", here on the forum

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Carol VEx Member« Reply #111 - on: 02.02.2008 at 17:06 [UT] »I've never understood about the current transitions of planets moving through the houses in my natal chart.
1. If Saturn is currently at 6 degrees Virgo, how does that affect my natal Saturn in Gemini at 6 degrees inthe 3rd house?
2. Because I have Saturn in the 3rd house, does that mean Saturn in Virgo is transiting that house in mynatal chart?
3. And in the next 2 1/2 years, will Saturn in Virgo go though all the house of the zodiac?
4.

Where on the net can I find out when and where Saturn will be transisitng? The houses?

Today I've been searching the net trying to understand the natal placements of planets in my chart so I canhelp myself work with, and not against, these many aspects. Thanks for any input.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #112 - on: 02.02.2008 at 17:37 [UT] »CarolDo a search for Astrolog32 or Astrolog and Download the software.In it there is a Astrography Charting Display
Under-Charts\Astro-Graph) you can see.It is above in the Dropdown lisiting.
Do not get to overwhelmed with the sytem .Just try to get use to it and play around with it.Eventually you will
get a feel for how it works.
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Carol VEx Member« Reply #113 - on: 02.02.2008 at 18:30 [UT] »Astro,
I went into astrolog.com yesterday and downloaded both 2.7 and 5.4, and I need to tell you that site is way
too confusing to me. And the colors are so dank and dark---depressing. I wrote a message, and plea for help,
to the owner but haven't received a reply yet. I haven't seen astrolog32. Or maybe I was too confused to
identify it in my search.
Today a friend told me to go into the Astrodienst site and do the following: Go to-Free Horoscopes, then
Extended Charts, thenSpecial Charts, then
Astromap
He's going to hep me when he gets home from work. This is too mind-boggling for me. I'm not even sure I
would be able to understand it once I got in there. Like I said before, this is brain surgery to me. I dont havethis type of a mathematical thinking mind. But I do appreciate everything you are teaching me. Thanks.
Carol-------------------Carol
Do a search for Astrolog32 or Astrolog and Download the software.In it there is a Astrography Charting Display
Under-Charts\Astro-Graph) you can see.It is above in the Dropdown lisiting.
Do not get to overwhelmed with the sytem .Just try to get use to it and play around with it.Eventually you will
get a feel for how it works.
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Carol VEx Member« Reply #114 - on: 02.02.2008 at 18:39 [UT] »I forgot to mention that my natal Saturn in Gemini in the 3rd is retrograde.
-----------------------------I've never understood about the current transitions of planets moving through the houses in my natal chart.
1.

If Saturn is currently at 6 degrees Virgo, how does that affect my natal Saturn in Gemini at 6 degrees inthe 3rd house?
2. Because I have Saturn in the 3rd house, does that mean Saturn in Virgo is transiting that house in mynatal chart?
3.
4.

And in the next 2 1/2 years, will Saturn in Virgo go though all the house of the zodiac?
Where on the net can I find out when and where Saturn will be transisitng? The houses?

Today I've been searching the net trying to understand the natal placements of planets in my chart so I canhelp myself work with, and not against, these many aspects. Thanks for any input.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #115 - on: 02.02.2008 at 23:23 [UT] »This is a message I've been sending out today.
I got a call from my daughter, around 11:15 a.m. today, telling me Gramma/Mom had died. That's why I've
been gone from the computer. To make a long story short, she died peacefully from the affirmaties of old age.
She turned 99 last Friday, JAN 25th. I'm okay. I got my tears out of the way, held her hand, caressed herface, and let her know she would be with Dad now. She's at peace and no longer confined too that hospital
bed. She will be cremated on Monday and then buried with my father sometime next week. She will be greatly
missed. I celebrate her life as she was awesome with people of all ages, generous and good humored, and agood friend and mother. I am blessed to have many fond memories to reflect back on.
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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #116 - on: 02.02.2008 at 23:27 [UT] »My condolences as it's hard losing the closest to us especially our mother.
May she rest in peace and god give you and yours comfort.

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Re: Pluto enters Capricorn on Friday« Reply #117 - on: 02.02.2008 at 23:38 [UT] »Thank you, Astro. I appreciate your words of encouragment.
Carol
My condolences as it's hard losing the closest to us especially our mother.
May she rest in peace and god give you and yours comfort.
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