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The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jupiter« on: 16.01.2009 at 13:19 [UT] »Ex MemberOk, here we go again...
I've been thinking about Jupiter... I often experience it as absent, which, considering its supposed to be Benefic
doesn't seem right. My Jupiter return was the start of one of my most miserable times in recent years. I
thought it was supposed to be a good planet! haha
Any thoughts on the dark side of Jupiter? Arrogance? Big-headedness? Foolishness?
Not really 'dark' though... right?
NH

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #1 - on: 16.01.2009 at 13:55 [UT] »Excessiveness, I'd say, is the dark side of F. Exaggerating, too much of a thing.
When discipline is missing, when there is no (senseful) restriction (G)...

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #2 - on: 16.01.2009 at 14:57 [UT] »There was a thread a little while ago about how fat people got when Jupiter was on their ascendants.
Arrogant? Yeah, sometimes. I love Jupiter, but he'd want me to be honest, wouldn't he?

I wouldn't say big-headed or foolish, Jupiter can represent wisdom after all. What I dislike is how sometimes it gets you all
tangled up in things before you get the good luck, like having to go through a hard period before "triumphing"at the end (or is this only when it's aspecting Saturn?)
It's annoying to be buzzed on Jupiter's happiness and then miserable people try to take it from you.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #3 - on: 16.01.2009 at 17:42 [UT] »overcoat, overawe, overbide, overhear, overcome, overthrow...

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #4 - on: 16.01.2009 at 21:36 [UT] »Religion is the dark side of Jupiter.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #5 - on: 16.01.2009 at 21:39 [UT] »masochism......
seeing the good in the bad......dark side of jupiter.......

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #6 - on: 16.01.2009 at 21:41 [UT] »Quote from Ariel1 on 16.01.2009 at 21:36 [UT]:
Religion is the dark side of Jupiter.
Philosophy is the bright side of Jupiter

Religion is Neptune.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #7 - on: 16.01.2009 at 22:12 [UT] »Quote from Co-rulersFTW on 16.01.2009 at 21:41 [UT]:
Quote from Ariel1 on 16.01.2009 at 21:36 [UT]:
Religion is the dark side of Jupiter.
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Religion as dogma is Jupiter
Spirituality is Neptune
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup

Daughter« Reply #8 - on: 16.01.2009 at 22:26 [UT] »Memberhistrionic behavior (Drama Queens)in hard aspect with Mars, a tendenciy to make big promises/plans that you can't follow through on.
vision without substance.
self-indulgenceI gained all my weight when jup was in my second house (stockpiling assets, ya know!

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #9 - on: 16.01.2009 at 22:35 [UT] »Quote from Jupiter's Daughter on 16.01.2009 at 22:26 [UT]:
I gained all my weight when jup was in my second house (stockpiling assets, ya know!

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Gender:)Oh no! Jupiter in the 2nd means weight gain???
Jupiter just entered my 2nd...I was hoping to loose the 35lbs I gained while Jupiter was in my 1st!!!

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #10 - on: 16.01.2009 at 22:37 [UT] »Quote from vertex on 16.01.2009 at 22:12 [UT]:
Quote from Co-rulersFTW on 16.01.2009 at 21:41 [UT]:
Quote from Ariel1 on 16.01.2009 at 21:36 [UT]:
Religion is the dark side of Jupiter.
Philosophy is the bright side of Jupiter
Religion is Neptune.
Religion as dogma is Jupiter
Spirituality is Neptune

No, Neptune is religious dogma, with Neptune you must never question, you must only fear, hope, dream andbelieve (l="I believe!"). Jupiter is the search for truth, understanding and freedom, therefore it is spirituality(i="I seek!")

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #11 - on: 16.01.2009 at 22:51 [UT] »Dogma is the system of beliefs that comprise religion and falls under jupiter/9th house, just like legal statutes
and other social norms do. and most church-going people either do not pay much attention to dogma, or
don't buy all of it.
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twisted faith is still faith in the intangible. It is not religion. Spirituality is what we feel inside, feeling at one
with spirit, erasing boundaries between this existence and other planes and that falls under Neptune. and idisagree that spirituality is blind and unquestioning. the most spiritual people i know are those who have very
thoroughly tested life and been tested by it.
it makes sense that a lot of religious fanatics have demented Neptunes, but that doesn't mean that religion
itself is Neptune's province.

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #12 - on: 16.01.2009 at 22:52 [UT] »and what exact;y happened that bad?
I have my JR soon too, in few days actually.

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #13 - on: 16.01.2009 at 23:19 [UT] »Oh geee.... Weight gain, over spending/paying retail, overindulging, gambling.. Bling, pimped out rides, cribs,
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #14 - on: 16.01.2009 at 23:55 [UT] »Gee -- I was just thinking about this very topic for the past few days when transiting Jupiter went over my natal
Moon. I had been eagerly anticipating this allegedly joyful transit for quite some time. My natal Moon has no"bad" aspects -- in fact, it has a trine to natal Jupiter. But it was a terrible, terrible week and I felt very alone
and unsupported.

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Gender:So where was all the fun? The joy? The ease? Where were all the "nurturing, maternal women" that Jupiterconjunct Moon is supposed to bring? LOL Quite the opposite happened. Among other things, I got
figuratively kicked in the butt and ditched by an older, female friend.
I do have another really tough transit finishing now - Chiron square AC. That is what I attribute all my recent
problems to. But all this Jupiter transit did was make me more emotional about all the painful things that were
happening!

I'm glad it's over! Bye-bye Jupiter!

It's transits like this that always make me stop short and realize that astrology is so very much more
complicated than I truly can ever understand. And why cook-book interpretations will always fall short.
I do remember Liz Greene commenting in an article (posted on this site) that Jupiter transits are very
subjective. Sometimes his unbounded expansion is not welcome in someone's life, especially if that person isused to being all bound up. Or if the freedom urge cannot be expressed... (think of a convict in prison or aninvalid in hospital experiencing Jupiter conjunct or trine Mars. The urge for freedom could be experienced as
painful then...)Jupiter - friend or foe? As usual with astrology -- it depends...
JD - nicely said. I agree.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #15 - on: 17.01.2009 at 00:18 [UT] »Good self-analysis, Nikki. Also, though Jupiter is said to be Air-humoured it is still mostly perigrine in Aquarius.
I have an Aquarius Moon too. I'd hoped that by the Jupiter transit of it I would've moved by now, an author on
Astrology-X-Files.com (probably Curtis Manwaring) said this aspect was good for that but it hasn't happened
yet and doesn't look like circumstances will change.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #16 - on: 17.01.2009 at 00:45 [UT] »Quote from Northern Hemisphere on 16.01.2009 at 13:19 [UT]:Ok, here we go again...
I've been thinking about Jupiter... I often experience it as absent, which, considering its supposed to be Benefic doesn't seem right. My
Jupiter return was the start of one of my most miserable times in recent years. I thought it was supposed to be a good planet! haha

Oh dear oh dear- my F Return is next month at degree 9- so don't say that
! Mine is in my natal 6th houseand...alas, it seems I have gained a few pounds and such- my appetite has strangely decreased though but I am
still in the quest to improve my health;In the process of getting a new physical therapist for one, secondly I am looking into using crystals for
meditation/a bit of energy work... I am also rereading the Bible, so spiritually I really *am* expanding in agreat direction.
Also, if not for my natal 6th house F I think that 6 story drop to the cement would have paralyzed or killed me
don't you think?
Natally I have a Fp MC aspect- so I hope that helps me somehow in the future when it comes to my career(when I get the degrees finished);
Health wise, I have mental health "issues" that have been passed down from my mother to me that I have been
struggling with all my life- last year I finally found the right medicine combo but...
As far as my physical body, yeah I did fracture a lot of bones in that fall but I'm here and walking just fine so
it's all good I think- did cause a lot of nerve damage though... but, also I'm looking into acupuncture! I
think F has been good to me for the most part minus the slight weight gain.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #17 - on: 17.01.2009 at 09:02 [UT] »Quote from Pixie Vixen on 17.01.2009 at 00:45 [UT]:Natally I have a

FpMC aspect- so I hope that helps me somehow in the future when it comes to my career (when I get the degrees

finished);

hahahamaybe with a Fp MC you're never going to finish studying

perpetual student?

well, my 'bad patch' started around august '07, by the time of my F return the next Jan, I was hoping that it
would bring about an end. it came around a turning point (quite possibly created by my own subconscious
desire to create a turning point at my Jupiter return to give me faith in what was going to happen) but well,things went wrong. and then a few months later worse, and then a few months later worse. hahatypicalso now i'm still in the process of digging myself out. argh.
i'm sure i'll look back when i'm older and say that it was a wonderful, expansive experience or something(?)
hehe
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #18 - on: 17.01.2009 at 12:03 [UT] »Natally, I have Jupiter in Leo conjunct MC, in retrograde.
Great expectations? Haha, lulz... I don't seem to be doing anything with my life. I suppose I can hope thatsomething good will come out of this tenth house placement, but... whatever. The dark side on that could be

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an aspect of laziness, making a final outcome sort of... hard to come by. Blind optimism that will only be eaten
alive at later points.
When I first saw this placement, I think I hoped that in the end, I would be doing
something amazing, but I'm not so convinced now. I'll be seen for something, right? More than could possibly
be seen, right? I'm wonderful... underneath, yeah?

... no.
It's currently transiting in my third house, conjunct Sun and IC. I dion't know what this means. I've moved
out, blah blah... trying to work out who I am... hmm, yeah, and all I've come out with is not much, apt tochange, why-do-I-even-care-it's-not-like-I'm-old-yet?
I've thought about going back to church, though/hmm, yeahI think the dark side of Jupiter would be... I know that when it's on the ASC., it is linked to those who are
overweight (although I know one girl with this placement who's stick-thin) as it makes whatever it contacts
bigger, doesn't it? Whether certain things being bigger would prove to be a problem or not... I don't know, it
depends. Larger than life and all that.
I think too much Jupiter is a bad thing.
All things in moderation; too much is waaay like too many banquets and not enough defending of your empire.
Yeah.
There's more to Jupiter, but that's what initially came to my mind.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #19 - on: 17.01.2009 at 22:03 [UT] »Quote from Northern Hemisphere on 17.01.2009 at 09:02 [UT]:

hahahamaybe with a

FpMC you're never going to finish studying

perpetual student?

Fwell, my 'bad patch' started around august '07, by the time of myreturn the next Jan, I was hoping that it would bring about an end. itcame around a turning point (quite possibly created by my own subconscious desire to create a turning point at my Jupiter return to giveme faith in what was going to happen) but well, things went wrong. and then a few months later worse, and then a few months later
worse. hahatypicalso now i'm still in the process of digging myself out. argh.
i'm sure i'll look back when i'm older and say that it was a wonderful, expansive experience or something(?)
heheNH

Hurhurhur- Well with a cMC I might be a horrible flipflopper with careers anyway so- I see myself
as being a perpetual student no matter what anyway, even when I do finish my studying and have a career... I
have such a fascination with learning new things.

Well on top of feeling that I am more "spiritually expansive" at the moment, an interesting water signed fellow
has come into my life with a iFmASC aspect- how ironic and funny for this to happen only weeks before
my Return!
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #20 - on: 18.01.2009 at 00:46 [UT] »Overweight
Being a pompeus *** and Arrogance
Having an EGO size of Europe or bigger
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #21 - on: 18.01.2009 at 15:24 [UT] »Transit F o A;
over-spending..

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #22 - on: 18.01.2009 at 15:51 [UT] »Making too many promises? To oneself and others? Dogmatic? Too big an ego? Too big a mouth (?)
Definitely over-indulgence... Mine is in the 2nd house and even though it is in Capricorn, I tend to eat too
much and have visions of grandeur...
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the 11th........

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #23 - on: 19.01.2009 at 07:39 [UT] »There's other threads on Jupiter right now if you are interested in hunting. I'm big on Jupiter since my
Progressed Jupiter is conjunct Progressed Sun and Progressed Venus, all sitting on my Scorpio Moon in 7thhouse.
A long time ago a teacher of mine (Capricorn) was really adamant about the down-side of Jupiter. Because ofover-optimism and over-everything, Jupiter can make us over reach. When Jupiter hits your Moon, you want
MORE SECURITY, if you have a lack of security in your life, Jupiter makes you feel that and you go arounddemanding hugs and other emotional gratification. When Jupiter stationed on my Venus I thought I found theman of my dreams... Neptune was also squaring my Moon; when the transit was over I saw he wasn't good forme at all but Jupiter made me so optimistic about the relationship, so... tolerant... I excused all the bad
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Gender:behavior. I think if you are having a really nasty Saturn or other outer-planet transit then Jupiter can offset
some of the hard lessons, make one more philosophical about the lessons we're being forced to swallow, maybe
even allow us to see *why* we're having the cosmic 2x4 hit us upside the head.
The Jupiter return is a great tool to see the 12 year expansion possibilities. My Jupiter return in 2006 wasdismal, Jupiter/Sun, Saturn, Mars and Neptune in a grand cross. All in the fixed houses. So yes, I fell in lovewith a married man, yes I started a business that went belly-up 2.5 years later, but if I hadn't had theknowledge of that Jupiter return I think it would have turned out much worse. I could still be whining for theman, fighting for the business. Jupiter/Sun square Mars could have sucked my ego into it really big time but(sigh)... I don't want to fight against Neptune and Saturn.
When Jupiter, Chiron and Neptune align in a few months I will be interested in seeing if we have an exaggerated
sense of victimization, or if people will be able to philosophically heal their "pain bodies" or stories about theirwounds. I have been advising the healers that come for consults that their clients will show up in a great dealof pain in the next few months, through 2010, and since healers are often known to "take on" the pain ofothers, they need to have good boundaries set up. The triple conjunction occurs in my 11th house and I am
already seeing some strange behavior... the best way to describe it is a "mass feeding frenzy" of the women in
my social groups... they are out-picturing their shadows big time, gossiping, judging (the worst part of Jupiter)and ostrasizing others. It's like some kind of gaping maw of pain is opening up and people are not able to see
their own shadows, and are getting sucked into it. I don't know if this is part of the 2012 phenomena but it's
kind of strange to see so many women falling victim to this.

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #24 - on: 19.01.2009 at 07:47 [UT] »The economy of the USA- 2008
Now- that's dark

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #25 - on: 19.01.2009 at 14:20 [UT] »DogThanks for the warning about the upcoming conjunction of Jupiter-Chiron-Neptune in May. Definitely one towatch. It will sextile my natal Jupiter, then retrograde to oppose my natal Uranus. All in 8th house. Should beinteresting. I don't like making predictions but some of that pain-body stuff you talked about 'is' likely to be
triggered by 'stuff happening to me' (Pisces moon squares Jupiter = victimisation & exaggerated response).
Have you been reading Eckhart Tolle? I find him illuminating in A New Earth.
I was confused when you wrote about Jupiter making people judge and ostracize, because higher up you wrote
about Jupiter's tolerance and optimism. I've found that if someone's planets hit your Jupiter, you will likethem whatever they do, whereas when Saturn is triggered in the synastry, there will be criticism and faultfinding about everything.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #26 - on: 19.01.2009 at 15:10 [UT] »I am going through a very serious jupiter transit at the moment. It has been conjuncting my DC and is
beginning slowly work its way through my seventh house. It will shortly be creating a T square with my moonand sun.... oh boy.

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So what happened? I was given opportunities to move out of the hum drum of my normal reality and try
something new. How? I got a job offer from Moscow just after my saturn return a few months ago and moved
out there when jupiter was on my DC. No weight gain as yet but I am socialising like crazy. Due to the move I
am meeting loads of new people and making the most of any opportunity that comes my way. No phone callgets unanswered and no e-mail gets unopenned. That's the thing about Jupiter it gives you lots ofopportunities but unlike saturn its does not force you to act. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE MOST OF IT. If you
don't you will experience it as a rather pleasant/ lazy period when nothing really happens or a terrible period
where lots of rubbish comes to the surface.
I always view jupiter as the Mr Muscles of the universe (for those who don't what Mr Muscles is its a cleaning
fluid which unblocks blocked pipes) - it unblocks whatever comes its way, so if there is a lot of rubbish in theway you can bet your boots it will come to the surface, but if my opinion you just have to ride with it. After it
cleans things up there will be a strong great flow which you have to make the most of.

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #27 - on: 19.01.2009 at 19:51 [UT] »Quote from Sphinx on 19.01.2009 at 14:20 [UT]:Dog
Thanks for the warning about the upcoming conjunction of Jupiter-Chiron-Neptune in May. Definitely one to watch. It will sextile my natal
Jupiter, then retrograde to oppose my natal Uranus. All in 8th house. Should be interesting. I don't like making predictions but some ofthat pain-body stuff you talked about 'is' likely to be triggered by 'stuff happening to me' (Pisces moon squares Jupiter = victimisation &exaggerated response). Have you been reading Eckhart Tolle? I find him illuminating in A New Earth.
I was confused when you wrote about Jupiter making people judge and ostracize, because higher up you wrote about Jupiter's tolerance
and optimism. I've found that if someone's planets hit your Jupiter, you will like them whatever they do, whereas when Saturn is triggeredin the synastry, there will be criticism and fault-finding about everything.

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Gender:Sphinx: I can imagine that Pisces moon square Jupiter can be painful at times, with an over-abundance offeeling and 'taking on' of other's emotional pain - you'd definitely want to do some boundary shoring-up in the
coming months. Picture sandbags. Lots of sandbags. How is your Uranus aspected? Perhaps the triple
conjunction will help you detach from some issues.
I think a healthy Jupiter *is* tolerance and optimistic. An unhealthy Jupiter, where ego is attached to being"right", is just plain boring because it's all about proving one's truth to everyone that walks by. The hard partabout pedantic Jupiterians is that they just won't let you have your own belief system! They are *invested* inshoving their own truth down your throat, arguing and arguing with such vehemence that it makes my ears
bleed. One (ex) friend used to say "think about it, you'll see that I'm right" with such utter arrogance that ...
arrrgh!! All I can do is walk away because engaging in argument only makes them happy, it keeps you
engaged. This is "unhealthy Jupiter" and I have only met a few people like this, and because I have Saturn in
Sag, my "fault finder" is probably engaged, my shadow gets projected and there I am, pissy because they havethe audacity to grandstand their belief systems, while I prudishly contain mine.
Most of the time Jupiter, especially when it impacts each other through synastry, grants the utmost in
benevolent intention and feeling towards another.
Although.... (ahem)... one time I met a man whose Ascendant fell on my Jupiter/Neptune in Scorpio. I"encouraged" him to all sorts of "excesses"....sigh... good times.....
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #28 - on: 19.01.2009 at 20:43 [UT] »I've only just realised by 12th house leo Jupiter (conjunct ascendent) is retrograde (because the line hid the r)
I can't find much about this at all. From what I find of my retrograde saturn it can't be a good thing right?

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #29 - on: 19.01.2009 at 20:59 [UT] »Yes Dog, I bet they were good!
I know about excessive belief-systems too, because my Pisces moon is in 9th house, and squares Jupiter in Sag.
Perhaps quite kindly, the universe has surrounded me with family and friends who are largely quite
indifferent to 'my stuff', and bring me down to earth from my lofty pinnacles. Although I'm quite gentle with
my beliefs, I do have one friend who first deliberately provokes me into talking about them, then argues
vehemently as if they are some kind of threat to her personally.
Uranus trines my Jupiter, so it's all involved in the upcoming configuration. End of belief-systems? It's
something I've been 'confused' about anyway, as Neptune is nearing the opposition to Uranus at 24 Leo.
I'm ordering the sandbags! Especially after reading the other thread about the Jupiter-Uranus-Scheat
conjunction next year, because that's where my moon is!
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #30 - on: 21.01.2009 at 09:20 [UT] »Today had Jupiter Return (strict). Nothing happened.
But generally that last 3 weeks were not good... I was sending job application, still not replied and well didn't
see any chances that way.

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #31 - on: 21.01.2009 at 19:33 [UT] »Quote:
So where was all the fun? The joy? The ease? Where were all the "nurturing, maternal women" that Jupiter conjunct Moon is supposed tobring? LOL Quite the opposite happened. Among other things, I got figuratively kicked in the butt and ditched by an older, female friend

I read some similar laments from someone who complained of experiencing great losses, including the deathsof loved ones, whenever Jupiter crossed his natal A.

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However, this particular indivual had his Sun right on his Moon/Saturn midpoint and as the book wryly pointed
out, BG is not nrmally seen as indicating 'times of great rejoicing.' It was suggested then that Jupiter simply
magnified and exaggerated the Moon/Saturn midpoint, which would have been expereinced very personally if it
was also on his Sun!
Perhaps, your natal Moon also has similar stringent midpoint pictures to it.
Actually, I have had some good breaks with Jupiter trnasits, returns - though by no means, invariably. On a
recent Jupiter Return I got a runoff published of my major tarot cards, Jupiter to Sun, found a place to live
(though it meant seeing the landlady on Christmas Day on that occasion), Jupiter to Moon coincided with mybeing able to book a cheap flight to an exotic new destination (Venice).
The tarot break would not have happened if I had not put my cards up on the net, though.
As for Jupiter's personal dark side: what if I pointed put, for example, that Dennis Nilson and Reg Christie both
had angular 13th-House Jupiters?
The Gauquelins seemed to be very aware of Jupiter's potential dark side - what they saw as a fairly
unscrupulous formof opportunism and a tendency to assume they know better what other people themselves
want (which is why they equated Jupiter as the planet of politicians, as well as actors):
They also claimed that many of the key Nazis had angular Jupiters.
Pethpas at its worst it tends to feel that it can be a little above the laws of common mortals, literally in somecases even being able to gwet away with murder.
Not sure what happened to my Jupiter from that point of view, which is in the 12th, in a 'moderate Gauquelin
zone' but I would at least have made a terrble politician. Can't say I have killed anyone either.....

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #32 - on: 22.01.2009 at 19:47 [UT] »Quote from nexus7 on 21.01.2009 at 19:33 [UT]:

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Gender:As for Jupiter's personal dark side: what if I pointed put, for example, that Dennis Nilson and Reg Christie both had angular 13th-House
Jupiters?

What's a 13th house?
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #33 - on: 22.01.2009 at 20:12 [UT] »Whoops.....
I meant '12th House.'

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #34 - on: 23.01.2009 at 10:13 [UT] »I think my retrograde natal F protects me from excess (it's pD... retro also); in a 2nd, I'm not running aftermoney that much
(but my head is big, for sure)but also coming on my AC, and I'm also gaining lots of weight

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #35 - on: 23.01.2009 at 12:31 [UT] »Quote from Nikki on 16.01.2009 at 23:55 [UT]:
Gee -- I was just thinking about this very topic for the past few days when transiting Jupiter went over my natal Moon. I had been eagerly
anticipating this allegedly joyful transit for quite some time. My natal Moon has no "bad" aspects -- in fact, it has a trine to natal Jupiter.
But it was a terrible, terrible week and I felt very alone and unsupported.
So where was all the fun? The joy? The ease? Where were all the "nurturing, maternal women" that Jupiter conjunct Moon is supposed tobring? LOL Quite the opposite happened. Among other things, I got figuratively kicked in the butt and ditched by an older, female friend.

I do have another really tough transit finishing now - Chiron square AC. That is what I attribute all my recent problems to. But all thisJupiter transit did was make me more emotional about all the painful things that were happening!

I'm glad it's over! Bye-bye Jupiter!

It's transits like this that always make me stop short and realize that astrology is so very much more complicated than I truly can everunderstand. And why cook-book interpretations will always fall short.
I do remember Liz Greene commenting in an article (posted on this site) that Jupiter transits are very subjective. Sometimes his
unbounded expansion is not welcome in someone's life, especially if that person is used to being all bound up. Or if the freedom urge
cannot be expressed... (think of a convict in prison or an invalid in hospital experiencing Jupiter conjunct or trine Mars. The urge for
freedom could be experienced as painful then...)Jupiter - friend or foe? As usual with astrology -- it depends...
JD - nicely said. I agree.

I had an experience like this when Jupiter transited my 1st house. I was having other nasty transits at the time,obssessiveness about health. What Jupiter did was just exaggerate the focus on my body, and exacerbate thefears about my health (hyperchondria), and it all got blown way out of proportion.

I guess Jupiter's expanding effect would work in conjunction to easy transits too.
I did gain weight when it went through my 2nd house though! With other nice transits, there was certainly anabundance of all the pleasures of life.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #36 - on: 23.01.2009 at 12:32 [UT] »Is it F alone responsible for the soaring obesity rates ??
' The fattening of America'
More kids are obese now than ever before...
No doubt- major health problems down the road
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #37 - on: 23.01.2009 at 18:13 [UT] »The dark side of Jupiter - overoptimism, which can lead to many things - taking risks, gambling, taking on too
many things, telling people what they want to hear, and then believing (Jupiter) your own lies, only wanting tohear the positive - being a "positive negative." With Jupiter, if it sounds too good to be true, that's probably
what it is.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #38 - on: 23.01.2009 at 18:46 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 23.01.2009 at 12:32 [UT]:Is it

F alone responsible for the soaring obesity rates ??

' The fattening of America'
More kids are obese now than ever before...
No doubt- major health problems down the road

KristaNo, it was the colonization of the American people by corn, mostly radically by the introduction of high fructose
corn syrup, starting in the early 80's, with the gates previously opened wide to overproduction of corn and soy
by Earl Butz, Nixon's agriculture secretary. He replaced federal policies put in place by FDR's administrationthat had supported self-correcting capping of production.
Read Michael Pollan's "The Omnivore's Dilemma" http://www.michaelpollan.com/omnivore.php if you get
the time.
- Ed
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #39 - on: 25.01.2009 at 00:36 [UT] »Quote from Northern Hemisphere on 16.01.2009 at 13:19 [UT]:Ok, here we go again...
I've been thinking about Jupiter... I often experience it as absent, which, considering its supposed to be Benefic doesn't seem right. My
Jupiter return was the start of one of my most miserable times in recent years. I thought it was supposed to be a good planet! haha

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Gender:Any thoughts on the dark side of Jupiter? Arrogance? Big-headedness? Foolishness?
Not really 'dark' though... right?
NH

Not really dark unless attached to a negative aspect in which case it exaggerates it all. It is the planet ofexcess, promises not kept,
foolhardiness and can be false optimism.
I would say that other influences have made you miserable unless Jupiter is attached to Saturn or Pluto perhaps
and where??
Remember to look at all your transits not just one.
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #40 - on: 25.01.2009 at 00:37 [UT] »Quote from mstray on 22.01.2009 at 19:47 [UT]:
Quote from nexus7 on 21.01.2009 at 19:33 [UT]:

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Gender:As for Jupiter's personal dark side: what if I pointed put, for example, that Dennis Nilson and Reg Christie both had
angular 13th-House Jupiters?

What's a 13th house?

There is none!
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #41 - on: 25.01.2009 at 01:11 [UT] »Quote from Co-rulersFTW on 16.01.2009 at 21:41 [UT]:
Quote from Ariel1 on 16.01.2009 at 21:36 [UT]:
Religion is the dark side of Jupiter.
Philosophy is the bright side of JupiterPosts: 1967

Religion is Neptune.

Gender:Yes and Jupiter is more faith and philosophy in order to make sense of the Universe more.....there aredifferences. Although Jupiter is co ruler of Pisces...
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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #42 - on: 25.01.2009 at 10:49 [UT] »Quote:
There is none!

As said already, it was a typo. Maybe my own Jupiterian inattention to detail.
What did you think about my earlier comments on Jupiter?

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Re: The dark side of ... (drumroll please) ... Jup« Reply #43 - on: 25.01.2009 at 11:55 [UT] »Quote from Humble Irritant on 16.01.2009 at 21:39 [UT]:
masochism......
seeing the good in the bad......dark side of jupiter.......

I admit have been caught up in this behaviour
Tsquare - Fbm Algol H8 nIh oAe
Fell in love with a gambler for a really long time and believed the lies, cos i probably wanted to.
It took me to some very dark places and it wasnt the first time either
Recently Fp my ASC, it was the loneliest holiday i ever had in my life...
(even the book i read was depressing)
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