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HelenaMarieEx Member

Mitchell E. Gibson's Book-Signs of Mental Illness« on: 01.12.2012 at 21:20 [UT] »Is anyone familiar with this book and how to get a Declinational Chart?
Thanks!

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« Reply #1 - on: 01.12.2012 at 21:25 [UT] »Quote from HelenaMarie on 01.12.2012 at 21:20 [UT]:Is anyone familiar with this book and how to get a Declinational Chart?
Thanks!

Sounds interesting (not read)Don´t know about a chart but you get the declinations here. Choose the additional tables above the circularchart (at the same pic).
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« Reply #2 - on: 01.12.2012 at 21:33 [UT] »Thank you Bibbe...that's great! I see all the +'s and -'s that I need to try and figure this out! That's awesome,thanks again!

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« Reply #3 - on: 01.12.2012 at 21:57 [UT] »Hello HelenaMarie,
Here is a copy of the declination chart (sorry it was not captured well). As bibbe said you can get the required
information from the additional tables and you will have to convert signs to a 360 degree notation (relativelyeasy). The only software I've heard creates the declination chart automatically is by Matrix but I don't own it
and can not confirm. Good luck with your studies - this is the very best book on the subject.
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« Reply #4 - on: 01.12.2012 at 22:17 [UT] »Oh, boy
Haven´t seen this paper before.
Thanks (from me too) for sharing, PNS.
Bibbe
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zippyMember

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« Reply #5 - on: 02.12.2012 at 17:52 [UT] »HelenaMarie,
Have you used his book much? I was skimming through it on Google Book Preview, it seems interesting and I
just bought it. Let us know how your research goes using his methods!
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PhoenixNoodleSoup,
Did you get the Declinations Chart from his book? It appears you've read his book and think highly of it?
Has anyone used Declinations in Syanstry?
I just ordered it and am looking forward to reading... Thanks!
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Ex Member« Reply #6 - on: 02.12.2012 at 22:02 [UT] »Hi bibbe , Hello Zippy I do have the book and recommend it (with the standard precautions about diagnosis).
Some of the astrological considerations give incredible insights into other aspects of personality besides MentalIllness. So yes I recommend it highly.
Declinations in synastry ? I do give special consideration to out of bounds planets (especially Moon) insynastry?
what might you be thinking zippy? and maybe somethings from this book as well. Uhmmm?
PNS / Kevin
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« Reply #7 - on: 02.12.2012 at 23:34 [UT] »Just ordered it with some other books... X-mas is coming
Thanks,Bibbe
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HelenaMarieEx Member

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« Reply #8 - on: 03.12.2012 at 14:46 [UT] »Thank you PNS for uploading the chart!! That will make it much easier to plug in the numbers.
Zippy, I am just getting into the book, but it is super interesting...not like any other astrology book I've read.
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Re: Mitchell E. Gibson's Book-Signs of Mental Illn« Reply #9 - on: 03.12.2012 at 15:21 [UT] »I realize that everyone believes that if its on the internet its always right. However, you will not be able to domuch that you want to do using on-line astrology calculations programs. You will need to buy one, so save up.
Both Solar Fire Gold and above and the much less expensive Haloran Astroldeluxe 7.1 and above will do allkinds of declinations.
Please consider saving your pennies for a real astrology calculation program.
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Ex Member« Reply #10 - on: 03.12.2012 at 16:06 [UT] »Hi zarathu,
Do they create the Declination charts like that shown as used by Gibson? I find Astrodienst online calculations
excellent and think most astrology programs use the Swiss Ephemeris. So I use Janus and Jagannatha Hora
occasionally and the rest I do mentally (at least everything I want to do) . I have looked at the programs
you've mentioned now and as yet have decided to keep my pennies. But your right, a lot of people think they
are great and some seem unable to do without them.
Do you know anything of Dr. Gibson's work zarathu?
PNS / Kevin
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« Reply #11 - on: 03.12.2012 at 16:24 [UT] »I was wondering about this too Kevin. I have Solar Fire Gold but it does not do the Declination Chart likeMatrix does, or like Gibson. As far as declination calculations, I find astro.com is very good, as good as SF.
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And there are always the free programs like ZET and AstroWin. I haven't checked out ZET but AstroWin's
calculations seem accurate also.
Kevin, I was reading a bit on the web about Declination Charts and it said that when a Synastry/Composite
does not look good but the relationship does last (and is OK) that often the two people have similar
declinations (Parallels within 1' orb). I've been exploring this theory a bit. I always look at OOB planets in theNatal, but not in the Synastry, how does that work? I don't think I've ever had an OOB planet in Composite. I
do look strongly at the unaspected planets in Synastry.

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« Reply #12 - on: 03.12.2012 at 20:51 [UT] »Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 03.12.2012 at 16:06 [UT]:Do you know anything of Dr. Gibson's work zarathu?
PNS / KevinWell.... its like this. I studied it a long time ago when it came out. I bought the book. Unlike many people inpsychological astrology, in fact almost all, I actually have an undergrad degree in psych, and a graudate degree
in counseling psychology, and added to that, 40 years of counseling in both psychiatric hospitals and schools.
I found the book vague, and inaccurate. I threw it away. Using his declination stuff, I could not replicate hiscomments with clients that I knew with the disorders he described. His use of declinations was indicative ofsomeone who is actually not an astrologer. I asked my mentor, Kt Boehrer, who originated the whole conceptof declination and started the NGCR sub area on declination what she thought, and she found that he'd usedthem wrong. She was baffled by his use of them.
It should tell you something that there was NEVER any follow-up book after his initial offering in 1995, almost
17 years ago.
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PhoenixNoodleSoup

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Re: Mitchell E. Gibson's Book-Signs of Mental Illn« Reply #13 - on: 03.12.2012 at 22:20 [UT] »Quote from zarathu on 03.12.2012 at 20:51 [UT]:
Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 03.12.2012 at 16:06 [UT]:Do you know anything of Dr. Gibson's work zarathu?
PNS / Kevin

Well.... its like this. I studied it a long time ago when it came out. I bought the book. Unlike many people in psychological astrology, infact almost all, I actually have an undergrad degree in psych, and a graudate degree in counseling psychology, and added to that, 40 yearsof counseling in both psychiatric hospitals and schools.
I found the book vague, and inaccurate. I threw it away. Using his declination stuff, I could not replicate his comments with clients that I
knew with the disorders he described. His use of declinations was indicative of someone who is actually not an astrologer. I asked mymentor, Kt Boehrer, who originated the whole concept of declination and started the NGCR sub area on declination what she thought, andshe found that he'd used them wrong. She was baffled by his use of them.
It should tell you something that there was NEVER any follow-up book after his initial offering in 1995, almost 17 years ago.

Thank you zarathu , your experience makes your perspective worth considering. Having thrown your book away
you may not recall but even if you do, for others sake I think it important to mention that Dr. Mitchell E.
Gibson was a practicing Psychiatrist ( highly recognised and on many American Medical boards to long to listhere) I think in his writing there is a certain expectation of understanding mental health science and astrology; are you sure the vagaries were not inherent in being limited to a 200 page work. I do not have the same
experience with astrology as you (I'm just a hobbyist). Declinations are an astronomical consideration - Can
you present any references to how your mentor used declinations? (I'm interested in learning). Overall I foundthis work very applicable in astrology and rehabilitation. Certainly not "mainstream" however (nor do I think it
was meant to be). Dr. Gibson did follow up with "Signs of Psychic and Spiritual Ability" and many other works .
All very interesting reading IMO. And having a few of his books in front of me they all have extensive
bibliographies, biographical references, and scientific and astrological resources . Worth a look
PNS
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« Reply #14 - on: 04.12.2012 at 16:12 [UT] »I never denied that he was a practicing psychiatrist. I denied that he wasn't a practicing astrologer, and yes, I
se now that he's written other books. It was my opinion based on my look at it 15 years ago.
I have no data to share with you. His book was published in 1995, and I looked at it in 1998. That was almost
15 years ago. I've been through 5 computers and 6 hard drives since then, and I no longer have the data. KtBoehrer died in 2001.
Its one of those things that I checked out and discarded for use in my practice. So good luck to you in
researching it. I hope that his works are helpful to you. They were not for me. Maybe I should look at itagain.
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Re: Mitchell E. Gibson's Book-Signs of Mental Illn« Reply #15 - on: 05.12.2012 at 03:25 [UT] »Quote from zarathu on 04.12.2012 at 16:12 [UT]:I never denied that he was a practicing psychiatrist. I denied that he wasn't a practicing astrologer, and yes, I se now that he's written
other books. It was my opinion based on my look at it 15 years ago.
I have no data to share with you. His book was published in 1995, and I looked at it in 1998. That was almost 15 years ago. I've been
through 5 computers and 6 hard drives since then, and I no longer have the data. Kt Boehrer died in 2001.
Its one of those things that I checked out and discarded for use in my practice. So good luck to you in researching it. I hope that his works
are helpful to you. They were not for me. Maybe I should look at it again.

Ref: Quote:I found the book vague, and inaccurate. I threw it away.[/I did too!
Perhaps it's in a box somewhere to be given away or I can find it again.....but why would I is the question.......
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