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solarwind
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« on: 02.10.2007 at 04:57 [UT+1] »there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in the chart indicates that you dont
have to reincarnate anymore and ready to move on the transcendental? planets in the 12th house? aspects,
stelliums???
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« Reply #1 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:01 [UT+1] »well from my expierence you'll reincarnate again and again until the entire universe awakes from its slumber

with lovej
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Aaron

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« Reply #3 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:06 [UT+1] »i think some move on before others, i always think that this is my last life here.

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« Reply #4 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:08 [UT+1] »solarwind,
may i ask what is so funny?

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« Reply #5 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:11 [UT+1] »i think you are ruining hopes of lot of people that there is an escape....i wonder how many people die satisfied
and proud with their lives...

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« Reply #6 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:12 [UT+1] »lolPosts: 325
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« Reply #7 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:16 [UT+1] »sorry don't get the joke?

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Aaron
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« Reply #8 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:22 [UT+1] »i just thought the first part of it was funny.

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« Reply #9 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:27 [UT+1] »cap rising, what do you mean when you say "from my experience"?

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« Reply #10 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:30 [UT+1] »Quote from capricorn rising on 02.10.2007 at 05:01 [UT+1]:
well from my expierence you'll reincarnate again and again until the entire universe awakes from its slumber
with lovej

I hope one day I'll be as old and wise as you
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« Reply #11 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:33 [UT+1] »Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 04:57 [UT+1]:
there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in the chart indicates that you dont have to reincarnate
anymore and ready to move on the transcendental? planets in the 12th house? aspects, stelliums???

Study the Tibetian Book of the Dead.. If you don't want to re-incarnate anymore, and become a priest.
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Member« Reply #12 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:38 [UT+1] »from my expierence i remember choosing which body i would incarnate into, and when i finally chose this bodythat i'm in now i stayed with it and had a lot of out of body expierences, lucid dreams, and psychic visions. andall of this happened at the age of 2 years old. i still have the expierences to this day, and when i think about
the truth (the way i see it) i'm just in awe that its 2007 and we still have to play the same game of wars andhate.

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SunSagMoonLib

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« Reply #13 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:53 [UT+1] »well unfortunately many humans take themselves far too seriously and that tends to lead to conflict.

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solarwind
Ex Member« Reply #14 - on: 02.10.2007 at 05:58 [UT+1] »Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 02.10.2007 at 05:30 [UT+1]:
Quote from capricorn rising on 02.10.2007 at 05:01 [UT+1]:
well from my expierence you'll reincarnate again and again until the entire universe awakes from its slumber
with lovej

I hope one day I'll be as old and wise as you

well said SunSag i was about to say that
david gb, i did read the tibetan bookso far i gather there is no inidication in the chart telling us about whether it's last incarnation... are there any
markers of the mature souls?...any charts of the bodhisattva?
i've seen somewhere tht let say easy aspects between jupiter/netpune uranus may inidicate it... did anyone
hear that also... or my inflammed mind merely imagined it?
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« Reply #15 - on: 02.10.2007 at 06:25 [UT+1] »Quote from Aaron on 02.10.2007 at 05:06 [UT+1]:
i think some move on before others, i always think that this is my last life here.

I
I'ld like this to be my last incarnation too, but I think the desire for that to be so will have the reverse effect. I
think once you've learned to accept and appreciate existence in its entiriety then your soul is ready todissipate...or whatever
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« Reply #16 - on: 02.10.2007 at 06:29 [UT+1] »cecelia, i would think it depends on your detachment. if you are detached when you think about notreincarnating it wont have any effect on you... i notice it all the time if you dont care and balanced everythingcomes your way on its own...the trick is to stay neutral
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Aaron

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« Reply #17 - on: 02.10.2007 at 06:37 [UT+1] »i just kinda sense i been here for many lifetimes now and now just ready to move on not like die right now
although i am more accepting of it just scared how it will happen.

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« Reply #18 - on: 02.10.2007 at 07:38 [UT+1] »Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 02.10.2007 at 05:30 [UT+1]:
Quote from capricorn rising on 02.10.2007 at 05:01 [UT+1]:
well from my expierence you'll reincarnate again and again until the entire universe awakes from its slumber
with lovej

I hope one day I'll be as old and wise as you

I am a tripple Cap (ABC) and I hope that one day I'll be as lighthearted, happy and relaxed as you are,
SunSagMoonLib!
I am a complete fool when it comes to the questions of past lives and incarnations, but I have a gut feelingthat the best thing we can do is to live this life as decent as possible, become and remain good people nomatter what, and provide example for others. And at the same time to embrace our humility.
Somehow I don't even want to think what would have happened if a massive, collective regression of past lives
took place. Suddenly, Truth and Awareness for everyone? There must be some order.
A nice neat queue forexample.
SG
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« Reply #19 - on: 02.10.2007 at 13:59 [UT+1] »This is always an interesting topic for people. When a person feels that he or she will not reincarnate again,
the conscious part of a person may be reaching the end of a group of lives which are finishing a time span thatis like a season. Autumn comes with the brightest of color, and then the trees lose their leaves and standdormant as if they will never bloom again. Unknown to viewers on the outside however, is that deep inside ofthem, their time clock is generating the preparations for rebirth and new blooming in the Spring.

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Gender:There is nothing in this Universe which stops evolving, from what is known now. The stars themselves go
through their own "seasons". I find comfort in the fact that all lifeforms take the basic shape of the spiral,from the growth circles inside a tree trunk to the shape of the woman's womb which gives birth.
on the beach to our own DNA.

From a shell

The spiral has no end point. The circles just keep expanding and moving furthur out and higher up with eachcircling motion. In astrology, the Moon is the Timer and its phases are the paradigm that our evolving lives
seem to be patterned after. The more that personalities and priorities of lives are studied in relationship to theMoon Phase in which a person is born, the more obvious is the parallel of our evolving maturity as comparedto the maturing Moon Phase from New Moon to Dark of the Moon.
The circling never stops as the Moon continues to go round from one phase to the next.

But in a 360 circle, if

you draw an extending line outward from the degree of the New Moon for the past six months, you can seethat the each new one is not back to the degree it began the previous month making one complete circle that
ends where it began.
NEW MOONS FOR THE PAST SIX MONTHS:
March 19 : 28 Pisces
April 17: 27 Aries
May 16: 25 Taurus
June 15: 23 Gemini
July 14: 21 Cancer
August 12: 19 Leo
September 11: 18 VirgoYour outward line would keep going upward to pick up the earlier degree of the next New Moon.

The spiral

path of the Moon expands higher up and furthur out in the 360 degree circle each month, so that last month
the New Moon of 18 degrees began higher than the New Moon of 19 degrees the previous month before, if
each month's circle were extended outward in a a linear direction instead of being put in the zodiac order, in
harmonics of the circle equaling 30 degrees...
And yet each month is approximately the same number of days; they don't become shorter and shorter
throughout the year. Why do the dates and degrees of the New Moon continue to come sooner and yet thetime for each month remain the same? To compensate for the shorter time, the distance outward must be
greater to equalize it.
The New Moon's trajectory spot expands and rises each month. "As above, so below" , Hermetic wisdom tells
us. If the Moon Phases are indeed the model of our evolution, we never come to the "end" because we are
not evolving in a circle that has an ending. We are involving in a spiral that ends one Round with the higher
and larger beginning of the next.

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« Reply #20 - on: 02.10.2007 at 14:26 [UT+1] »When there's no more karma to be balanced, individually, generetions wise, earthly... no more need forindividuals to incarnate again here on earth...
When might that be?
We have probably created so much negative karma in our past lives, so it will take a lot of lives to just balance
what was once created and now is stored, waiting to be released....now in this life and in future lives...
(So sad that humanity create new (bad) karma....every day.... Situation in Burma comes to mind...)If you don't want to incarnate after you balanced all your karmadebts, just stop creating more new negative
karma!
And using astrology as a tool to find out where one has to work on karmic debts in this life, should come inhandy.
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Alishaya

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« Reply #21 - on: 02.10.2007 at 14:48 [UT+1] »Experience. I talk to dead people. That and a token will get me into heaven.
secrets of the universe.

They have never divulged the

How can one look at a chart and know if one is going to reincarnate? One cannot because the chart is aroadmap. It is what one does with that roadmap that has to be taken into account. Energy vibrates todifferent frequencies.
It is so human to think / believe / feel that the only reincarnation is as a human. How about one reincarnatedas a venation or a jupterian? To what frequency are they vibrating? Or perhaps on a planet we are not even be
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say that there will be an earth in the year 3000?
No. Some things will always be unknown, something’s we have to figure out as we go.
That my friends, is called the mystery of life, no matter which life, no matter which frequency. We do not havefree will, we will evolve, but we do have free choice. How, when, those are our choices. Happy lives to you
By the way, Capi, I have all those gifts / responsibilities you mentioned. Remnants of past lives. One of those
lives was very powerful with gifts. I was a dark sorcerer. Choices. We all make them, my point having gifts,
does not necessarily get you into “heaven.” Nor does it mean ones frequencies will necessarily get you into
other dimensions / planes of existence. We all have those gifts, it is just that most of us have not zoned into
the music.

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« Reply #22 - on: 02.10.2007 at 16:16 [UT+1] »Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 04:57 [UT+1]:
there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in the chart indicates that you dont have to reincarnate
anymore and ready to move on the transcendental? planets in the 12th house? aspects, stelliums???

Hi Solarwind,
I have always been told that this is my last reincarnation and l have a stellium in the 12th house.
Here is my chart for reference purposes!
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« Reply #23 - on: 02.10.2007 at 16:50 [UT+1] »Wow, Moulin! What a stellium in the 12th... I am anticipating interesting answers...
PS Somehow I thought your stellium was in the 1st house, but I might be confusing you with someone else,
sorry.
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« Reply #24 - on: 02.10.2007 at 17:03 [UT+1] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 02.10.2007 at 16:50 [UT+1]:
Wow, Moulin! What a stellium in the 12th... I am anticipating interesting answers...
PS Somehow I thought your stellium was in the 1st house, but I might be confusing you with someone else, sorry.

No, you aren't confusing me!! I thought so too, being a pisces rising but one of my best friends is anastrologer. I got her round to dinner and she sat down with me, listing all my traits and said "you are without
doubt a Gemini rising"... so l re-did my chart and she agreed that l was born within the 1st decan of Gemini!!!
Most of my ex's have been either Gemini/air sign moon/rising too...
Seems my Granny was right all along LOL
I am now happy that finally, 39 yrs after being born, that l now know what l throw out to the world LOL!!
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solarwind

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« Reply #25 - on: 02.10.2007 at 17:29 [UT+1] »moulinrouge, what makes you feel/ think that this is your last time here besides the stellium?

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« Reply #26 - on: 02.10.2007 at 17:39 [UT+1] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 02.10.2007 at 13:59 [UT+1]:
This is always an interesting topic for people. When a person feels that he or she will not reincarnate again, the conscious part of a person
may be reaching the end of a group of lives which are finishing a time span that is like a season. Autumn comes with the brightest ofcolor, and then the trees lose their leaves and stand dormant as if they will never bloom again. Unknown to viewers on the outside
however, is that deep inside of them, their time clock is generating the preparations for rebirth and new blooming in the Spring.
There is nothing in this Universe which stops evolving, from what is known now. The stars themselves go through their own "seasons". I
find comfort in the fact that all lifeforms take the basic shape of the spiral, from the growth circles inside a tree trunk to the shape of thewoman's womb which gives birth. From a shell on the beach to our own DNA.

Dear spiral, i like your points. I was talking about human reincarnation on earth... somehow some poeple feelthat they are ready to move on... of course you can choose to come back but occasionally you can get the
feeling that the certain page in your development is closed .... i lean towards the view that our charts can't tell
us precisely about the maturity/stage of development of our souls and where we are in our development... on
the other hand, stelliums can indiicate more intense theme of this lifetime but is it maturity?... wouldn't moreeven distribution of the planets thoughout the chart inidicate more developed soul?
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« Reply #27 - on: 02.10.2007 at 18:13 [UT+1] »I am curious - does anyone feel connected to the rest of the cosmos? I personally don't think it is just earth
where we incarnate - that is Earth Centric - I think we cycle through here - but this is not the only place.
Odd thing - never have felt completely Earth Centric - I like it here - but have always known there are otherplaces as wellI like the concept of mastery - when you have mastered things - you step up to the next lesson

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« Reply #28 - on: 02.10.2007 at 18:22 [UT+1] »Quote from KETaylor on 02.10.2007 at 18:13 [UT+1]:
I am curious - does anyone feel connected to the rest of the cosmos? I personally don't think it is just earth where we incarnate - that is
Earth Centric - I think we cycle through here - but this is not the only place.
Odd thing - never have felt completely Earth Centric - I like it here - but have always known there are other places as wellI like the concept of mastery - when you have mastered things - you step up to the next lesson

ditto
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« Reply #29 - on: 02.10.2007 at 18:53 [UT+1] »Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 17:29 [UT+1]:
moulinrouge, what makes you feel/ think that this is your last time here besides the stellium?

Hi Solarwind,
Apart from just "knowing" and a gut feeling, l have several earthly reasons:
1. many persons have told me such and l have met a lot of psychics having worked in the field and partly beingbrought up by mediums.
2. the events of my life so far point in this direction. I really do not know of anyone else in my real life who has
had to endure what l have had to, on a continual basis.
3. l am very connected to my higher self and l have 2 significant angels whom have kept me alive through a few
near death experiences. I know that soon l will begin my true life's purpose, now that l have pretty muchcompleted my karmic tasks and lessons. I have all the work to do now, and thankfully have all the courage andstrength to do it. My failing is my inability to share, my mysteriousness and not wanting or feeling it necessary
for others to know about me at any depth. Yet l have to experience real depth to get to the next stage!!!! LOL
4. My ability to live for today, and not worry about tomorrow on all levels except for love. I have this need tofind my partner. I have to feel complete to move on into my reason for being here, which is why l am probably
attracting lots of potentials and a couple of interesting men into my life.
5. The Universe pushes me on, keeps me moving and l in return, feel the importance of this life through thispushing.
Am l rambling? lol
It's funny cos l just revealed more about myself than my best friend knows about me
p.s l know l can come back if l wish
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« Reply #30 - on: 02.10.2007 at 18:54 [UT+1] »I think that there is basic flaw in the title of the post, which than causes some confusion, karma/darma is not
the same thing as reincarnation, coming back to this dimension, this "earth" is a direct result of the law ofcause & effect. Reincarnation is not, that is more of the "dance of the evolution spiral" as a few have remarked.
I got this e-mail a few moments ago and thought I would share it. Synchronicity, gotta love it.
William Butler Yeats’ Theory of Reincarnation Explained"What is reincarnation? To begin with, reincarnation does not take place within a matrix of linear time. It's not
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Gender:as if e.g. you had a life in ancient Greece and then you died; then you had a life in ancient Rome and then you
died; then you had a life in the Middle Ages and then you died; etc. Rather, all of your past and future lives aregoing on at
once, in an eternal NOW moment. Think of it like this: survivors of near-death experiences often report seeing
all the events that ever happened to them flash by them in no time at all. Thus it would seem that we
experience the thought forms of our lives twice - once in linear fashion over a lifetime, and the second timearound in timeless fashion at the moment of death. In an analogous manner, while there is indeed an evolution
going on in the universe, this evolution is not taking place in linear time:
it's all happening at once. Space and time have no objective existence. They are merely cognitive tools which
evolved as sentient beings evolved, to enable them to focus upon one thing at a time instead of everything at
once. The linearity of time is an illusion, afalsehood, which Eastern philosophers have termed maya or samsara. It is this false appearance that there issuch a thing as an objective reality out there unfolding in linear time, which animates the striving of all sentient
beings and keeps the wheel of reincarnation - of life and death and rebirth - turning. Babies (and even young
children, who sometimes talk about memories from other lifetimes) are not as centered in a one-track existence
as adults are. Babies and young children are consciously impinged upon by influences from other lives andprobable realities which most adults have learned to ignore. The same socialization process which props up ababy's sense of being a unitary, abiding, separated individual also imprisons that individual in a furrow of
inexorable linear temporality. For most people, 99.9% of decisions are made on the basis of sociallyconditioned actions and reactions - what they were taught by their parents and society. But every now and theneveryone has poignant moments - moments of consciousness or conscientiousness or conscience - when theysense that probable realities are branching
off this way or that; or they feel echoes from other lifetimes and realities; or they hear voices from deep insidethem. When this happens people feel connected to something more profound than their customary hustle andbustle; and that something is their true purpose in this lifetime - the reason they were born."

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« Reply #31 - on: 02.10.2007 at 18:57 [UT+1] »Yes, everything is happening all at once which is why we can see the past AND the future
It is simply like radio waves - we can jump to anny wave if we wish to. Belief is everything!

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« Reply #32 - on: 02.10.2007 at 18:59 [UT+1] »Or as some wise guy once said "Time is God's way of keeping everything from happening all at once"!
But more seriously, that's a pretty good take on the situation Alishaya. In so far as we can know.
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Alishaya

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« Reply #33 - on: 02.10.2007 at 19:40 [UT+1] »Quote from Ed Falis on 02.10.2007 at 18:59 [UT+1]:
Or as some wise guy once said "Time is God's way of keeping everything from happening all at once"!

I like that wise guy

The mystery is the fun of it all, is that not way we like scary movies and a goodmystery book?
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« Reply #34 - on: 02.10.2007 at 19:56 [UT+1] »Alishaya and Ed, I have the greatest respect for William Butler Yeats and the automatic writings of his wife
which created "A Vision". Southern Illinois Library had for sale the double volume of the journals they kept
during their revelations, and I bought them several years ago. They are photocopies of their notes and her
actual automatic writing promptings in her own handwriting, along with the editor notes.
While I would never disagree that we could be living all of our evolving lives at the same time instead of a linear
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Gender:progression, I would want to quality what "we" means. Because we are all ONE and part of the whole, andyet we have split off into separate "plants", just as the beautiful plant or tree may have "cuttings" which aresnipped off and planted on their own. The human race may be all one huge tree in which various branches
have been cut off and planted on their own in separate gardens.
Just as we must expand our minds to take in all of our lives being lived at the same time at different levels inthe same space and time, I would say we must also expand our mind to take in that all human beings may
actually be one human being split into parts long ago when we were first created.
finished, we may all come back together again as One...

And when this experiment is

When we are attracted sexually to produce progeny, we are drawn together by the same degrees or eletromagnetic aspects and locations in our birthcharts. And so we are actually adding to OURSELVES with otherparts of OURSELVES to create a better version of OURSELVES. Who knows us and understands us better
than our "Soulmate" ? The two who mate and remain together are actually two versions of the same self. We
are in love with ourself which the partner reflects and substantiates. We are given a clearer identity by the one
we mate with, and husbands and wives slowly begin to look like each other in small ways.
What I am saying here is that we could all be living many lives at one time on different levels, just as the apple
tree has cuttings that are planted at different times around the farm but is still part of that original apple tree.
But meanwhile, each apple cutting grows differently in a different environment. One of the cuttings has beendamaged by a windstorm before it was full grown. One is planted in sickly soil. But one is lucky enough to beplanted in the best soil in the most protected part of the farm with most exposure to sunlight, the favorite
cutting off the master tree for the farmer, and applauded by all who drive by each season.
Our birthchart is what we must understand right now as who we are as part of the Whole.

We must learn ourpotential and our seed growth from first cutting into full bloom to the end of the growth life when we disappear
from the farm. We must be the best cutting off the master tree as we can be, we must know which fruit wecan produce, and we must concentrate on our awareness of this life we know consciously.
The other lives will take care of themselves.

Looking at each of our lives here on this forum as separate circles

in a 360 degree circle, we are all one circle, but we have our separate evolving progress to take care of andgive respect to individually.
It takes at least 24 Lunars to make One Year. Who would deny the Harvest Moon its own importance andposition in the Whole? 2007 is happening all at the same time, but this week of Harvest Moon is still real andrelevant and respected for its age within the Whole compared to what has gone before and what is coming
afterward.
If this makes any sense to anyone. We are all One. But each one of is evolving within our own little circles
while the biggest circle is happening with all lives at the same time.
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Alishaya

Member« Reply #35 - on: 02.10.2007 at 20:04 [UT+1] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 02.10.2007 at 19:56 [UT+1]:.

Spiral, you have no disagreement on my end, the concept of time / space not being linear, does not negate
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« Reply #36 - on: 02.10.2007 at 20:05 [UT+1] »Bon, Spiral!

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« Reply #37 - on: 02.10.2007 at 20:11 [UT+1] »Quote from Alishaya on 02.10.2007 at 18:54 [UT+1]:
I think that there is basic flaw in the title of the post, which than causes some confusion, karma/darma is not the same thing as
reincarnation, coming back to this dimension, this "earth" is a direct result of the law of cause & effect. Reincarnation is not, that is moreof the "dance of the evolution spiral" as a few have remarked.
I got this e-mail a few moments ago and thought I would share it. Synchronicity, gotta love it.
William Butler Yeats’ Theory of Reincarnation Explained"What is reincarnation? To begin with, reincarnation does not take place within a matrix of linear time. It's not as if e.g. you had a life inancient Greece and then you died; then you had a life in ancient Rome and then you died; then you had a life in the Middle Ages and thenyou died; etc. Rather, all of your past and future lives are going on at
once, in an eternal NOW moment. Think of it like this: survivors of near-death experiences often report seeing all the events that ever
happened to them flash by them in no time at all. Thus it would seem that we experience the thought forms of our lives twice - once inlinear fashion over a lifetime, and the second time around in timeless fashion at the moment of death. In an analogous manner, while
there is indeed an evolution going on in the universe, this evolution is not taking place in linear time:
it's all happening at once. Space and time have no objective existence. They are merely cognitive tools which evolved as sentient beings
evolved, to enable them to focus upon one thing at a time instead of everything at once. The linearity of time is an illusion, afalsehood, which Eastern philosophers have termed maya or samsara. It is this false appearance that there is such a thing as an objective
reality out there unfolding in linear time, which animates the striving of all sentient beings and keeps the wheel of reincarnation - of lifeand death and rebirth - turning. Babies (and even young children, who sometimes talk about memories from other lifetimes) are not as
centered in a one-track existence as adults are. Babies and young children are consciously impinged upon by influences from other lives
and probable realities which most adults have learned to ignore. The same socialization process which props up a baby's sense of being aunitary, abiding, separated individual also imprisons that individual in a furrow of inexorable linear temporality. For most people, 99.9% of
decisions are made on the basis of socially-conditioned actions and reactions - what they were taught by their parents and society. But
every now and then everyone has poignant moments - moments of consciousness or conscientiousness or conscience - when they sensethat probable realities are branching
off this way or that; or they feel echoes from other lifetimes and realities; or they hear voices from deep inside them. When this happens
people feel connected to something more profound than their customary hustle and bustle; and that something is their true purpose in thislifetime - the reason they were born."

Well I think theTtibetian Buddhist would desribe, Re-incarnation in a linear fashion. If they dont that news tome. What you say sounds elegant,but then aren't you also saying then that Past /present/future is occuring at
once? An interesting idea, and I'd believe it ...
But maybe when it has to do with rebirth on this plane, time works in what seems to be a linear fashion,weare born as Babies, mature , and die older. Seems that way? Buddhist in the Tibetian book of the Dead seem todesribe it that way, if you found information in that text saying different ,I'd love to hear it.
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« Reply #38 - on: 02.10.2007 at 20:21 [UT+1] »David, are you saying that if we would be everywhere at once, all ages at once, then actually we would not be
anywhere at any time?
In a way, I would agree with that thought, whether it is yours or mine.

Because I have found that we must

pay as much respect to the microcosm as we do to the macrocosm. It is like sayng the only "good" miracles
are the huge miracles where a person grows another arm, or comes back from the dead. When actually, thetiny little synchronicity miracles which happen around us every hour of the day are just as important miracles
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And the largest idea of everyone evolving at once is not any more important than each of us evolving in ourlittle moon phases, progressing degree by degree in our own personal Round. The all-at-once is spectacularly
cosmic and "out there", but the one degree at a time is elegant and exquisite in its own humble right.
I always vote for simplicity and humility to see the true beauty of astrology.

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« Reply #39 - on: 02.10.2007 at 20:54 [UT+1] »On my journeys and path, was a practicing Buddhists for awhile...
and yes they say life is an illusion, that it
does not exist, we live in an illusion of being separate from the whole, along the lines of what Spiral wrote. To
break the cycle, one steps out of the illusion. Believe me when I say, that is much harder to accomplish than itsounds.
But than again, in my hunger for becoming whole, balanced and complete, one thing I have found
and which has not changed, is that the simplest answers are the most complex to achieve.

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Let me give you a very simple example, “you” (your essence) the dot within the vast spiral of a creator spiral(call that energy anything you will) are sitting surrounded by screens 3D cinema (could not resist the pun);
you chair swivels and swirls, each screen, within your individual screen, plays out different movies. If you wereto spin widely, which I guess you can, all you would see is blurred images, not much fun in that, unless you liketo get dizzy, so instead you focus your energy, your attention on one particular screen, the life being played out
at this “moment” is the one where is your attention and focus is.

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« Reply #40 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:04 [UT+1] »The soul lives many lives in the one life
The body and mind live in the now.
Integration is the essence of our life paths, depending on where the soul is within it's journey.
n'est pas?

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« Reply #41 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:12 [UT+1] »"David, are you saying that if we would be everywhere at once, all ages at once, then actually we would not
be anywhere at any time?"
Something like that...? It maybe true that past/present/Future occur in the Now but in terms of Human life, it
may not be exactly true. We're born young, mature and die older? Maybe that is part and parcel of being
physical beings. On the spiritual realm it might be different.
Take for instance physical travel through space and the percieval of time. Look up in the sky, maybe you canfind a close star to us, "Alpha Centuri". I think it is about 4 light years away, thats really close, but for ourpresent technology its till a long ways away. It take light (light travels at about 186,000 feet per second?,
the distance light travels in one year is 6 trillion miles.) 4 years to reach us from Alpha Centuri, so the image
we see of Alpha Centuri is 4 years old.
Supposing in the Cosmic present, Alpha Centuri exploded in a Nova! According my understanding of present
science..it would take us four years for us to see that explosion from Earth, longer for other physical event fromthat explosion. it would be a specular sight too , but not likely to happen.So you see things do happen in a
linear progression.
Yet we know time is instanteous, Things happen here, so we "KNOW" time must be instantaneous on Alpha
Centuri, except that to physically travel there atthe "speed of light" it would take 4 years.
Light from Sol, is 3 light minutes old. I think it just indicative of life in a physical universe...things work in asort of linear fashion. Maybe in other realms this is not the case.
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« Reply #42 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:24 [UT+1] »Everything you are meant to do will align with the Universe. I beg to differ... The Universe is already awakened,
it's the vibration of the human experience that needs to elevate, evolve and mature. Rest assured, you'll work it
out on the other side as to whether or not you need come back. When you're on the other side, you're
perspective will change, as will your vibration, and you'll be at a place of peace that will allow you to feel lighter,bigger and brighter. On the other side, there is no doubt, no pain, no regret, no judgement. Clarity will allow
you to determine if another trip is necessary. But as I understand it, that is something that need to be
determined on the soul level, not by a conscious decision fashioned out of emotional duress before you crossover. On the other side, there is absolute clarity, and your entire perspective on the chart you came here tofulfill will be reviewed. You'll see what you've accomplished, what you need to work on, and what new lessons
you can bring into your path. It's a wonderful place to be, that place of pure energy, light and love. It DOES

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exist; it's just difficult to believe it while we're here, having to exist in a lower vibration, and function in ahuman vehicle versus as an entity of pure light. We remember that we are light on a subconscious level, and I
think many people experience "buyer's remose" at certain times in their life. The thing that you have to focus

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« Reply #43 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:27 [UT+1] »thats interesting

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« Reply #44 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:29 [UT+1] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.10.2007 at 21:24 [UT+1]:
Everything you are meant to do will align with the Universe. I beg to differ... The Universe is already awakened, it's the vibration of thehuman experience that needs to elevate, evolve and mature. Rest assured, you'll work it out on the other side as to whether or not youcome back. When you're on the other side, you're perspective will change as will your vibration and you'll be at a place of peace that willallow you to feel lighter, bigger and brighter. On the other side, there is no doubt, no pain, no regret, no judgement. Clarity will allow you
to determine if another trip is necessary. But as I understand it that is something that need to be determined on the soul level, not by aconscious decision fashioned out of emotioanl duress. On the other side, there is absolute clarity, and your entire perspecive on the chat
you came here to fulfil will be reviewed. You'll see what you've accomplished, what you need to work on and what new lessons you canbring into your path. IT's a wonderful plcace to be, that place of pure energy, light and love. It DOES exist; it's just difficult to believe it
while here havign to lower our vibration and function in a human vehicle versus as an entity of pure light. We remember that we are lighton a sunconscious level, and I think many people experience "buyer's remose" at certain times in their life. The thign that you have tofocus on is that being in this body you chose this time aroudn doesn't last forever. Eventually you'll get to upgrade!
Love and blessings,
MirandaBulloney, how do you know this stuff is true? Where do you get your facts?
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« Reply #45 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:30 [UT+1] »Alishaya, in your image of the movie theater.
the same movie theater complex,

An actor may be in many movies at one time, all playing in

but he can watch only one of his movies at a time.

We also should probably note that half of our lives are spent asleep, and who knows where we go while we areunconscious in that sleep state?
To the other half of the world where the Sun shines brightly, or to manyother worlds that might have three Suns?
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« Reply #46 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:36 [UT+1] »Dear moulinrouge
Do you know what time you're born?
I'll probably be back in 2222 nov 26-27. Around kitchener ont. can. As jimmy argon.
Has anybody seen their future reincarnations?
It is quite bizarre.
Jim(alias james the lesser,pythagoras)
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« Reply #47 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:39 [UT+1] »I don't want to change the subject, but I can't help recalling Jane Fonda's autobiography "A Life in Progress".
She started the book with that image of the circle of light (the stage) where she would enter a different world.
When I finished reading the book I thought how much her life was so much not about her career as an actor. I
think she managed to get that across very well. She was born on December 21st. FWIW.
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« Reply #48 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:52 [UT+1] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 02.10.2007 at 21:30 [UT+1]:
Alishaya, in your image of the movie theater. An actor may be in many movies at one time, all playing in the same movie theater
complex, but he can watch only one of his movies at a time.

exactly

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« Reply #49 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:53 [UT+1] »Jeanette, I've often wondered about the opportunity that we have in the past century, which no generations
had ever had before, of entering other worlds through movies and tv shows, radio and recorded music shows,
as if we are living another life while we get into the characters and the action and feelings there.
I wondered as we evolve through our lives, and need to face certain karmic situations to resolve them in ourhearts and minds, if entering into these dramatic situations are flashbacks to former lives of ours where we did
not resolve conflicts that we can now feel and make decisions on, as we see and feel the waste of cruelty or
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Such second-hand karmic encounters might be necessary now that we have such a larger moveable population,and so many more previous lives behind us than in the past. I think that we have learned as much about life,and decisions that should be made, by watching all the movies in our lives as we have learned by othermeans.
This would also constitute living many different lives at one time.

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« Reply #50 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:53 [UT+1] »Back to the original question - no more incarnations - ....
We could look at Christ's Chart and Buddha's chart. I remember reading that Christ was a Capricorn, Buddha
was a Taurus, and Virgin Mary was a Virgo. I know that in esoteric literature - you have to pass the tests ofmatter before you get to cycle off into another realm. I know when I was studying Buddhism for a while- theirthoughts were that you could cycle into the upper realms or the lower realms - but they called the humanrealm "A precious human birth" as you could learn more here than just about anywhere else.
Maybe we should look at some charts of some masters and look for clues and markers- to answer the originalquestion - which is when is the last time around signalled.
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« Reply #51 - on: 02.10.2007 at 21:55 [UT+1] »Quote from DavidGB on 02.10.2007 at 21:29 [UT+1]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.10.2007 at 21:24 [UT+1]:
Everything you are meant to do will align with the Universe. I beg to differ... The Universe is already awakened, it's thevibration of the human experience that needs to elevate, evolve and mature. Rest assured, you'll work it out on the otherside as to whether or not you come back. When you're on the other side, you're perspective will change as will yourvibration and you'll be at a place of peace that will allow you to feel lighter, bigger and brighter. On the other side, there is
no doubt, no pain, no regret, no judgement. Clarity will allow you to determine if another trip is necessary. But as I
understand it that is something that need to be determined on the soul level, not by a conscious decision fashioned out ofemotioanl duress. On the other side, there is absolute clarity, and your entire perspecive on the chat you came here tofulfil will be reviewed. You'll see what you've accomplished, what you need to work on and what new lessons you can bring
into your path. IT's a wonderful plcace to be, that place of pure energy, light and love. It DOES exist; it's just difficult tobelieve it while here havign to lower our vibration and function in a human vehicle versus as an entity of pure light. We
remember that we are light on a sunconscious level, and I think many people experience "buyer's remose" at certain times
in their life. The thign that you have to focus on is that being in this body you chose this time aroudn doesn't last forever.
Eventually you'll get to upgrade!

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MirandaBulloney, how do you know this stuff is true? Where do you get your facts?

David,My experiences in life have provided me with this insight. It's not my job to open the door for you if you aren't
in a place to accept that one exists. Meaning, if you truly want to know different, as opposed to having yourown beliefs confirmed, it will require of you to shift your thinking from reactively judging a new thought first
before asking questions, to one that, instead, is open and asks questions first before formulating an opinion.
Until then, I cannot provide you with any answers.
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« Reply #52 - on: 02.10.2007 at 22:02 [UT+1] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.10.2007 at 21:24 [UT+1]:
Everything you are meant to do will align with the Universe. I beg to differ... The Universe is already awakened, it's the vibration of thehuman experience that needs to elevate, evolve and mature. Rest assured, you'll work it out on the other side as to whether or not you
need come back. When you're on the other side, you're perspective will change, as will your vibration, and you'll be at a place of peacethat will allow you to feel lighter, bigger and brighter. On the other side, there is no doubt, no pain, no regret, no judgement. Clarity willallow you to determine if another trip is necessary. But as I understand it, that is something that need to be determined on the soul level,
not by a conscious decision fashioned out of emotional duress before you cross over. On the other side, there is absolute clarity, and yourentire perspective on the chart you came here to fulfill will be reviewed. You'll see what you've accomplished, what you need to work on,
and what new lessons you can bring into your path. It's a wonderful place to be, that place of pure energy, light and love. It DOES exist;
it's just difficult to believe it while we're here, having to exist in a lower vibration, and function in a human vehicle versus as an entity ofpure light. We remember that we are light on a subconscious level, and I think many people experience "buyer's remose" at certain times
in their life. The thing that you have to focus on is that being in this body you chose this time around doesn't last forever. Eventually you'll
get to upgrade!
Love and blessings,
MirandaGreat post!! Totally agree.
subconscious!!! LOL

The soul is consciousness although we, as humans like to dampen it into ourI do think that our souls can tell us in this present lifetime whether we are coming back or not.
I have no doubt at all that l am not, unless l chose to.
Choice is a fine thing, Ms Miranda
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« Reply #53 - on: 02.10.2007 at 22:03 [UT+1] »Quote from uranus on 02.10.2007 at 21:36 [UT+1]:
Dear moulinrouge
Do you know what time you're born?
I'll probably be back in 2222 nov 26-27. Around kitchener ont. can. As jimmy argon.
Has anybody seen their future reincarnations?
It is quite bizarre.
Jim(alias james the lesser,pythagoras)

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« Reply #54 - on: 02.10.2007 at 22:04 [UT+1] »Quote from uranus on 02.10.2007 at 21:36 [UT+1]:
Dear moulinrouge
Do you know what time you're born?
I'll probably be back in 2222 nov 26-27. Around kitchener ont. can. As jimmy argon.
Has anybody seen their future reincarnations?
It is quite bizarre.

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Gender:According to the Cabbalists we reincarnate (pending the results of our karma / darma) every 144 years, beingborn in 1952, would mean I come back in 2096, (some also say reincarnation is a privilege) (The Buddhists also
say something along those lines) that is why it is felt that you always treat your body with respect, the shorter
the stay in other worlds / dimensions / planes of existence, the easier to recall past lives and the lessons
learned in those incarnations
there is a school of thought, theory, going around that the earth is undergoing its own ascension /transmutation and that the 5th dimension, which is not a world of duality, has no cause and effect, thereby nokarma. In short, either we wipe the slate of all karma debt or we have to a new planet....
I wonder how that will affect astrology?
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« Reply #55 - on: 02.10.2007 at 22:44 [UT+1] »Quote from KETaylor on 02.10.2007 at 21:53 [UT+1]:
Back to the original question - no more incarnations - ....
We could look at Christ's Chart and Buddha's chart. I remember reading that Christ was a Capricorn, Buddha was a Taurus, and Virgin Mary
was a Virgo. I know that in esoteric literature - you have to pass the tests of matter before you get to cycle off into another realm. I
know when I was studying Buddhism for a while- their thoughts were that you could cycle into the upper realms or the lower realms - butthey called the human realm "A precious human birth" as you could learn more here than just about anywhere else.
Maybe we should look at some charts of some masters and look for clues and markers- to answer the original question which is when is the last time around signalled.
I personally believe it is all by choice - to come in or not - as it is about growth - and you really can learn a lot here if you let yourself.
The "Now" matters.

KE taylor,i am glad that you got my main question....maybe we should post some charts... i may try when i'll get moretime...buddha christ some canonized saints great philosophersand alikewould be great for beginners...

of course i dont mind lyrical ramification of the discussion on the topic...
a la what are the most important lessons in life on this plane and such...

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« Reply #56 - on: 02.10.2007 at 23:11 [UT+1] »Quote from moulinrouge on 02.10.2007 at 18:53 [UT+1]:
Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 17:29 [UT+1]:
moulinrouge, what makes you feel/ think that this is your last time here besides the stellium?

I have all the work to do now, and thankfully have all the courage and strength to do it. My failing is my inability to share, mymysteriousness and not wanting or feeling it necessary for others to know about me at any depth. Yet l have to experience
real depth to get to the next stage!!!! LOL
4. My ability to live for today, and not worry about tomorrow on all levels except for love. I have this need to find my partner. I have tofeel complete to move on into my reason for being here, which is why l am probably attracting lots of potentials and a couple ofinteresting men into my life.
5. The Universe pushes me on, keeps me moving and l in return, feel the importance of this life through this pushing.
Am l rambling? lol
It's funny cos l just revealed more about myself than my best friend knows about me
p.s l know l can come back if l wish

I do like life here at its best...sun sand ocean beautiful nature
mountains deserts volcanoes ... food(some of it anyway)...traditions.... crafts....people can be the worst andthe best of earth as well...earth is an interesting placeed, god has the hardest job to keep everyone in line;Dspiral, i would think that the inidividuals move on when nobody else completes them...the nature of living onearth that we are always surrounded by others and have to live with that which can be a limitation or a
blessing...i found my blessed place on earth at/around stanfordof course there are some troubles even in"paradise" ...i guess we are where we belong....

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« Reply #57 - on: 02.10.2007 at 23:37 [UT+1] »Moulinrouge,
I'm really worried about you. Since you became a Gemini rising you seem to have lost a huge amount ofweight!
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« Reply #58 - on: 02.10.2007 at 23:41 [UT+1] »what's up with the weight? everybody's talking about weight...

is it cancer rising or gemini that make you

lose weight? i am not sure if i'm gem rising or cancer myself... but i didnt have any weight fluctuations
through my life...
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« Reply #59 - on: 02.10.2007 at 23:41 [UT+1] »Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 02.10.2007 at 23:37 [UT+1]:
Moulinrouge,
I'm really worried about you. Since you became a Gemini rising you seem to have lost a huge amount of weight!

LOL
Gemini's are skinny aren't they? just like me
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« Reply #60 - on: 03.10.2007 at 01:59 [UT+1] »did i get the date right for this chart?

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« Reply #61 - on: 03.10.2007 at 02:00 [UT+1] »here is beethoven's chart

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« Reply #62 - on: 03.10.2007 at 02:19 [UT+1] »To solarwind
I use 6 Jan 6 bc or -5 for jesus
full moon,moon in cancer, jupiter conjunct saturn in pisces
10 deg libra on ascendant.
Eris opposes the sun. Superman.
To alshaya
I think you can reincarnate whenever and where ever you want to.
CHeersJim
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« Reply #63 - on: 03.10.2007 at 02:21 [UT+1] »why jan6 6bc? if anyone knows better iwould love if you can post that chart...

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« Reply #64 - on: 03.10.2007 at 02:51 [UT+1] »if one were to use the approximate chart of Jesus, why not also include Mother Teresa?
i feel both were givers and not takers, and interested in those around themselves rather than in themselves.
humble, sincere, and neither took any **** yet were simultaneously peacemakers. both stood up for what
they believed. both had a purpose and rather than talk about their lofty ideals and philisophical concepts, putideals into practice. both didn't care about being popular. interestingly, towards the end of their earthly lives
both wondered why they had been forsaken - an infinitely understandable reaction considering they practiced
what they knew to be right rather than what was popular.
oops... a little preachy but i thoroughly admire them... and the others who i don't know!
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« Reply #65 - on: 03.10.2007 at 02:58 [UT+1] »i am not sure about mother teresa....

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« Reply #66 - on: 03.10.2007 at 06:36 [UT+1] »Sorry, how will the chart of Jesus (even if we agree on the time of birth) or Mother Teresa or anybody else help
to understand reincarnation? This is not a criticism, I am just not clear.

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« Reply #67 - on: 03.10.2007 at 06:49 [UT+1] »parce que...
just because i can and am curious... perhaps christ did reincarnate again...you never know
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« Reply #68 - on: 03.10.2007 at 06:59 [UT+1] »i'm curious to see the buddha's chart... Solarwind do you have it?

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« Reply #69 - on: 03.10.2007 at 07:09 [UT+1] »this one is a pure speculation since there is no certain data on the sidhaattha's birth time.... nevertheless, i wascurious to see any approximation...

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« Reply #70 - on: 03.10.2007 at 07:19 [UT+1] »or this one looks pretty interesting too...

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« Reply #71 - on: 03.10.2007 at 09:37 [UT+1] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 03.10.2007 at 06:36 [UT+1]:
Sorry, how will the chart of Jesus (even if we agree on the time of birth) or Mother Teresa or anybody else help to understandreincarnation? This is not a criticism, I am just not clear.

I dont't get it either seagoat72.
Actually l thought the whole point of Jesus's life was that he should us how to reach our higher selves andultimate destiny - and therefore not having to come back again LOL
So not sure why we are doubting his work by seeing if he did come back!!!!
He didn't need to
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« Reply #72 - on: 03.10.2007 at 09:39 [UT+1] »Mother Theresa is NOT in the same league as Jesus, c'mon LOL!!!!!!
I mean apart from compassion and selflessness, what else did Mother Theresa give?
I'm not sure she was even totally at one with her highest self
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« Reply #73 - on: 03.10.2007 at 10:42 [UT+1] »Quote from KETaylor on 02.10.2007 at 21:53 [UT+1]:
Back to the original question - no more incarnations - ....
We could look at Christ's Chart and Buddha's chart. I remember reading that Christ was a Capricorn, Buddha was a Taurus, and Virgin Mary
was a Virgo. I know that in esoteric literature - you have to pass the tests of matter before you get to cycle off into another realm. I
know when I was studying Buddhism for a while- their thoughts were that you could cycle into the upper realms or the lower realms - butthey called the human realm "A precious human birth" as you could learn more here than just about anywhere else.
Maybe we should look at some charts of some masters and look for clues and markers- to answer the original question - which is when is
the last time around signalled.
I personally believe it is all by choice - to come in or not - as it is about growth - and you really can learn a lot here if you let yourself.
The "Now" matters.

Yeah, but in Buddhism don't they also say that being born as a Human is a rare and auspicious gift. Rare as aturtle swimming in a sea, coming up to the surface to its head wreathed.
So according to them not everyone gets to re-incarnate as a human being. They say the weight of our past
karma may drive us to a lower rebirth. or maybe if where exceptional in this life maybe a higher rebirth, but the
Aim of existence is enlightenment, transcending the cycle of rebirth..
And thats even if you believe in this stuff.
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« Reply #74 - on: 03.10.2007 at 10:48 [UT+1] »DavidGB,
What if your already enlightened? If a lot of people like myself and others feel they know the truth, thenwhat??

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« Reply #75 - on: 03.10.2007 at 11:05 [UT+1] »you would have no need to ask that question.

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« Reply #76 - on: 03.10.2007 at 11:59 [UT+1] »Brilliant!!!!

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« Reply #77 - on: 03.10.2007 at 12:18 [UT+1] »Quote from moulinrouge on 02.10.2007 at 16:16 [UT+1]:
Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 04:57 [UT+1]:
there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in the chart indicates that you dont have toreincarnate anymore and ready to move on the transcendental? planets in the 12th house? aspects, stelliums???
Hi Solarwind,
I have always been told that this is my last reincarnation and l have a stellium in the 12th house.
Here is my chart for reference purposes!

I'm just curious. If you're deadsure you wont come back here to earth anymore, because some psychic said so,
you then must know where you're off after you're deceased? And what you gonna be then?
you that?

Or didnt they tell

Just curious about life and death...
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« Reply #78 - on: 03.10.2007 at 12:25 [UT+1] »Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 03.10.2007 at 11:05 [UT+1]:
you would have no need to ask that question.

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« Reply #79 - on: 03.10.2007 at 12:27 [UT+1] »Quote from moonly on 03.10.2007 at 12:18 [UT+1]:
Quote from moulinrouge on 02.10.2007 at 16:16 [UT+1]:
Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 04:57 [UT+1]:
there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in the chart indicates that you
dont have to reincarnate anymore and ready to move on the transcendental? planets in the 12th house?
aspects, stelliums???
Hi Solarwind,
I have always been told that this is my last reincarnation and l have a stellium in the 12th house.
Here is my chart for reference purposes!

I'm just curious. If you're deadsure you wont come back here to earth anymore, because some psychic said so, you then must know where
you're off after you're deceased? And what you gonna be then? Or didnt they tell you that?
Just curious about life and death...

Sorry if l caused a misunderstanding.
I have always felt this is the case and mediums/psychics and others have simply confirmed this.
I know this life is my most important one yet and l have total belief that l can do whatever my soul asks of me.
I have no doubt that the Universe only throws lessons at you that you can handle
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« Reply #80 - on: 03.10.2007 at 12:28 [UT+1] »DavidGB
Sorry to disagree but l do not believe that once a human, you come back as an animal.
You just reincarnate as a lesser human.

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« Reply #81 - on: 03.10.2007 at 12:49 [UT+1] »Quote from moulinrouge on 03.10.2007 at 12:27 [UT+1]:
Quote from moonly on 03.10.2007 at 12:18 [UT+1]:
Quote from moulinrouge on 02.10.2007 at 16:16 [UT+1]:
Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 04:57 [UT+1]:
there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in the chartindicates that you dont have to reincarnate anymore and ready to move on the transcendental?
planets in the 12th house? aspects, stelliums???
Hi Solarwind,
I have always been told that this is my last reincarnation and l have a stellium in the 12th house.
Here is my chart for reference purposes!

I'm just curious. If you're deadsure you wont come back here to earth anymore, because some psychic said so, you thenmust know where you're off after you're deceased? And what you gonna be then? Or didnt they tell you that?
Just curious about life and death...

Sorry if l caused a misunderstanding.
I have always felt this is the case and mediums/psychics and others have simply confirmed this.
I know this life is my most important one yet and l have total belief that l can do whatever my soul asks of me. I have no doubt that the
Universe only throws lessons at you that you can handle

So it really doesn't matter what you do in this last life of yours here on earth?
If its decided, by your soul, that it's your last one, I mean. Then you are cleared from all karmabonds andkarmic debts, conditioned here on earth in interaction with people here, who still will come back in future
lives...
I really don't get that...maybe that's due to the fact I don't have a full 12th house...
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« Reply #82 - on: 03.10.2007 at 14:06 [UT+1] »Quote from uranus on 03.10.2007 at 02:19 [UT+1]:
To solarwind
ITo alshaya
I think you can reincarnate whenever and where ever you want to.
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The reason we celebrate Christmas on 12/ 25 has nothing to do with the birth of Christ… we do not know theexact date of birth. While the information might have been in the library in Constantinople alas, it was burnedto the ground….
the most one can do is guess-mate

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« Reply #83 - on: 03.10.2007 at 14:07 [UT+1] »Quote from moulinrouge on 03.10.2007 at 12:28 [UT+1]:
DavidGB
Sorry to disagree but l do not believe that once a human, you come back as an animal.
You just reincarnate as a lesser human.

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« Reply #84 - on: 03.10.2007 at 15:00 [UT+1] »[/quote]So it really doesn't matter what you do in this last life of yours here on earth?
If its decided, by your soul, that it's your last one, I mean. Then you are cleared from all karma, conditioned
here on earth in interaction with people here, who still will come back in future lives...
I really don't get that...maybe that's because I don't have a full 12 house...

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Gender:[/quote]it does matter and your oversoul, while "it" may have an idea of what the part of "it" that is you, is going to do,does not know for sure, so it still is up to "you" do to reap much darma and no karma..
While physics can have very accurate insight on what is going to happen... they do that, based on probability,
trails of consciousness, if a person significantly changes their perspectives and course of actions, the results will
differ from the foreseen. Just as in astrology, people experience transits in different ways. If Pluto’s’,
Neptune’s’ & Jupiter’s’ alignment will cause upheavals, and the person is prepared for them, their experiences
will differ from a person who is unaware or has not taken any steps to affect the effect.
I can “see” if the soul is young or old, sometimes where the soul originated from, I can say it is probable thatyour work here is done, or you volunteered to assist in this lifetime but I cannot say with certainty if you will
come back to this plane of existence. That is totally dependent on your course, your choices.
And I don't work with a full house either

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« Reply #85 - on: 03.10.2007 at 15:04 [UT+1] »Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 03.10.2007 at 11:05 [UT+1]:
you would have no need to ask that question.

thats because only sane people think they may be crazy
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« Reply #86 - on: 03.10.2007 at 15:17 [UT+1] »Quote by MoulinRouge: "mediums/psychics and others have simply confirmed this."And I have no doubt that mediums/psychics often tell people what they want to hear, which is why I push foreach person to learn to be her own astrologer. Your birth time told you all of your stellium was in your 1st
House, and my intuition tells me you should have stuck with your birth time, instead of letting them change
your chart all to the 12th House to fit your spiritual quests.
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You have a great zeal and spirit to you, which commands attention. With all of that in the 12th, you would
work behind the scenes in total isolation, reclusiveness, and humility. Embrace your birth time, ride it like aproud horse !!!

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« Reply #87 - on: 03.10.2007 at 15:30 [UT+1] »I love you guys and this has been a great thread, thank you for posting it!
Einstein: "Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by thelaughter of the gods."•"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in theslight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
To question is to grow, in growing we become…
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« Reply #88 - on: 03.10.2007 at 15:48 [UT+1] »Quote from DavidGB on 03.10.2007 at 10:42 [UT+1]:...Yeah, but in Buddhism don't they also say that being born as a Human is a rare and auspicious gift. Rare as a turtle swimming in a sea,
coming up to the surface to its head wreathed.
So according to them not everyone gets to re-incarnate as a human being. They say the weight of our past karma may drive us to a lower
rebirth. or maybe if where exceptional in this life maybe a higher rebirth, but the Aim of existence is enlightenment, transcending thecycle of rebirth..
And thats even if you believe in this stuff.

The "6 realms" idea can be taken literally, or metaphorically. Chogyam Trungpa did a nice book on the latter inthe early 70's (don't remember offhand which title it was, maybe "Myth of Freedom"). Anyway, the Mahayanists
say you can be born in the worlds of hell, hungry ghosts, animals, humans, demons or gods. Those who live ineach of these worlds are characterized by a certain emotional approach that reinforces their existence in theparticular realm (for instance, animals are "stupid" in that they have tunnel vision; demons are eaten up by
their jealousy and envy of others, and so on). The human state is considered to be the best balanced in pain
and pleasure, and to have the innate curiosity that makes it most amenable to gaining enlightenment of all thestates. That's why it's "precious".
Each realm is a state of mind/orientation. You can live in any of them and inhabit a human body.
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« Reply #89 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:21 [UT+1] »Quote from Ed Falis on 03.10.2007 at 15:48 [UT+1]:

The "6 realms" idea can be taken literally, or metaphorically. Chogyam Trungpa did a nice book on the latter in the early 70's (don't
remember offhand which title it was, maybe "Myth of Freedom"). Anyway, the Mahayanists say you can be born in the worlds of hell,
hungry ghosts, animals, humans, demons or gods. Those who live in each of these worlds are characterized by a certain emotional
approach that reinforces their existence in the particular realm (for instance, animals are "stupid" in that they have tunnel vision; demons
are eaten up by their jealousy and envy of others, and so on). The human state is considered to be the best balanced in pain and pleasure,and to have the innate curiosity that makes it most amenable to gaining enlightenment of all the states. That's why it's "precious".
Each realm is a state of mind/orientation. You can live in any of them and inhabit a human body.

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« Reply #90 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:24 [UT+1] »moulin, i would tend to agree with spiral, you sound like you have stellium in the 1st. maybe something in the
12th but a lot in the 1st..
ed, i think there were also titans( martian qualities) and world of pure forms(something "Uranian or
neptunian)...
anyway, our charts sort of tell us who we are, our past lessons but dont give any guarantees what we will be
and where we will get during this lifetime.... there is always choice to change things... unfortunately a lot of
humans choose their hell... why?
we all make choices every moment that will lead to something...either next realm or hell.. wherever it is...
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« Reply #91 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:25 [UT+1] »Quote from capricorn rising on 03.10.2007 at 10:48 [UT+1]:
DavidGB,
What if your already enlightened? If a lot of people like myself and others feel they know the truth, then what??

If you knew the enlightened truth, you wouldn't be human, or at least , I think thats what they beleive inbuffhism, or are you saying you're a bodhisattva?
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« Reply #92 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:27 [UT+1] »yeah, i like when people share their enlightments.. we are listening, cap rising...

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« Reply #93 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:34 [UT+1] »actually , i loved my psychiatric rotation. had so much fun listening to the most incredible theories the scary
thing some of them sounded better than the rational reality theories........

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« Reply #94 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:35 [UT+1] »Quote from solarwind on 03.10.2007 at 16:24 [UT+1]:...
we all make choices every moment that will lead to something...either next realm or hell.. wherever it is...

Indeed, and you can be "reborn" into several of them within your single lifetime.
When you're on a "peak" roll, what world are you living in, and what does your life history look and feel like?
Same for if you're currently in a state of depression? We rewrite our life stories and the worlds we live in
moment by moment.
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« Reply #95 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:48 [UT+1] »Hello all
Im not sure about reincarnation or what in an Astrological chart would show this. Some have mentioned thePosts: 3329
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I was told by a palmist that I was an old soul and would have a choice of whether I wanted to reincarnate ornot.
In numerology my name equals a 33, which says pretty much the same thing. All this may be true or it may
just be nonsense. I do not think about it that much.
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« Reply #96 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:52 [UT+1] »i dont think much about it either gene

just annoying probably alois taking too much space for this thread on

their server
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« Reply #97 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:54 [UT+1] »Hi Solar Wind! Thanks for posting all those charts - I am going to take a look at them and then add anotherpost. A close friend of mine who was really into yoga used to tell me that Jesus was an Enlightened being - ayogi.
I have also taken a foray into Esoteric Christianity (Ted Williams, Dion Fortune, Carl Jung) which no one here
has spoken about but is a terribly interesting subject and I am just now starting to scratch the surface. Their
belief is once you have a human body - you go forward in a human form.
I think everyone is pointing to a greater reality - and we all agree on the point of a greater reality at work.

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imperfections - as the miracle it is. That is what one of my teachers tried to teach me (a buddhist Monk whoworked with the Dalai Lhama) - That judgement of imperfection is the ego once again speaking. Took me years
to get that message - I was too into a victim/savior complex at the time.
However - Like I said - my own point of view is more of an esoteric point of view - and I like all the concept ofmastery - which I think Christ embodied. Tearcher.
Finally - during my own doubting Thomas days - I had an out of body and Kundalini experience - which I will
not elaborate on - but I will say that it happened to make a point to me - that I was much more than my ego and there was much more than now going on.
Finally - my favorite bumper stickers - seen up Cambridge Massachusetts "Quit your whining dammit andevolve" - and the other one was "Evolve or Dissolve".
Let me look at those charts - I think Solar Wind really wanted to discuss some of these aspects - and we havegotten off on a very interesting tangent there....
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« Reply #98 - on: 03.10.2007 at 16:58 [UT+1] »The "6 realms" idea can be taken literally, or metaphorically. Chogyam Trungpa did a nice book on the latter inthe early 70's (don't remember offhand which title it was, maybe "Myth of Freedom"). Anyway, the Mahayanists
say you can be born in the worlds of hell, hungry ghosts, animals, humans, demons or gods. Those who live ineach of these worlds are characterized by a certain emotional approach that reinforces their existence in theparticular realm (for instance, animals are "stupid" in that they have tunnel vision; demons are eaten up by
their jealousy and envy of others, and so on). The human state is considered to be the best balanced in pain
and pleasure, and to have the innate curiosity that makes it most amenable to gaining enlightenment of all thestates. That's why it's "precious".
Each realm is a state of mind/orientation. You can live in any of them and inhabit a human body.
Yeah , that is what I've read about they call them 'Bardo states". I don't know if the Tibetian book of the Deadis part of the same group you are describing, but they mention the states you are describing, Hellworld,
Animal,Demi-gods etc. But if I get the ideas mentioned in that book that not everyone can achieve
enlightenment and escape the cycle of rebirth. So The Tibetian book of the Dead is also a guide to re-birth. In
it they try to describe who to obtain a good re-birth, so you don't end up in a HellWorld, or be re-born as an
animal, insect , or lower.
I think they are states you are describing in Human life are real, but also I think the Tibetians
believe that those states you describe are actual places.. And it is also true that the same people say it is rare
and auspicious for anyone to be reborn as human.
Speaking of animals and astrology, whats the difference between the chart of Buddha, Jesus ofNazareth, or Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa,.... and that of my dog, or "Boris" the Scorpion ? They all
have astrology charts. How can you tell an Ascended master's chart from that of a Animal, insect , event or
Demi-god?
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« Reply #99 - on: 03.10.2007 at 17:06 [UT+1] »As in any disclipline, people will interact with its contents at different levels. I'd say that covers both the literaland metaphorical interps of the 6 realms idea.
And you's absolutely right about the difference between the charts of woofie the dog and the buddha: it isn't in
the chart to see. Check out the "forest and trees" topic I just started and read what Bill Herbst has to say in his
newsletter: it's right onto this subject.
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« Reply #100 - on: 03.10.2007 at 17:14 [UT+1] »ed, was that book's title shambala the secret path of the warrior? or something else

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« Reply #101 - on: 03.10.2007 at 17:14 [UT+1] »Hi Solar Wind and all interesting article on this topic
http://www.astrologysociety.org.za/content/view/197/46/
Solar Wind - I thought it was really interesting in the charts you posted the following"
Pluto in the 10th house for the Chart of Christ and the Chart of Buddha
Christ had the Grand Air Trine - 11th, 7th, 3rd 0 with Neptune as an important part in the 11th house
Buddha had the 11th house Uranus and Neptune
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« Reply #102 - on: 03.10.2007 at 17:31 [UT+1] »Quote from solarwind on 03.10.2007 at 17:14 [UT+1]:
ed, was that book's title shambala the secret path of the warrior? or something else

I nosed through my collection of old books: it's "The Myth of Freedom". Second chapter covers the material.

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« Reply #103 - on: 03.10.2007 at 17:52 [UT+1] »it looks like a pretty good basic starting point read for the most of the folks interested in this thread...

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« Reply #104 - on: 03.10.2007 at 20:38 [UT+1] »Quote from moonly on 03.10.2007 at 12:49 [UT+1]:
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there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in thechart indicates that you dont have to reincarnate anymore and ready to move on
the transcendental? planets in the 12th house? aspects, stelliums???
Hi Solarwind,
I have always been told that this is my last reincarnation and l have a stellium in the 12thhouse.
Here is my chart for reference purposes!

I'm just curious. If you're deadsure you wont come back here to earth anymore, because some psychic said
so, you then must know where you're off after you're deceased? And what you gonna be then? Or didnt theytell you that?
Just curious about life and death...

Sorry if l caused a misunderstanding.
I have always felt this is the case and mediums/psychics and others have simply confirmed this.
I know this life is my most important one yet and l have total belief that l can do whatever my soul asks of me. I have no
doubt that the Universe only throws lessons at you that you can handle

So it really doesn't matter what you do in this last life of yours here on earth?
If its decided, by your soul, that it's your last one, I mean. Then you are cleared from all karmabonds and karmic debts, conditioned hereon earth in interaction with people here, who still will come back in future lives...
I really don't get that...maybe that's due to the fact I don't have a full 12th house...

Hey, l don't know. About 4 years ago l went to see the best and most raved about palmist here in the UK.
He took one look at my hand and said "you have no future in your hand".
I said "huh? I am alive you know!!" lolHe replied "yeah and you can do whatever you like in this life"
Saying that, my life so far has been a shovelful of sh*t lessons. Just to give you an idea:
my parents between them have, after marrying and having me, gone on to have 6 more marriages before l waseven 17 yrs old!!!
Then my mother was a cocaine addict most of my childhood and tried to kill herself at least once a year. I was
brought up by nannies. Had the worst nightmares and sleepwalking experiences as a child. Was totally
misunderstood by everyone. Felt completely alone (prob 12th house again!!) I should have died at least fourtimes but survived. In the 21 years l have been an adult l have had 2 failed marriages. Had my ex husband try
to kill me, take my kids away from me through the courts. Lost most of my money to my husbands. got
pregnant and then was left by a boyfriend, leaving me to endure pregnancy and bring my 3rd child up by
myself. My family have disowned me because l live by the truth, refusing to compromise myself and be a victim
and they are all so messed up. Have had so much more emotional stuff than if l didn't have such inner strength
l probably would have commited suicide. Years of verbal abuse and being put down by my parents.
Now l live a humble life, accordingly to my rules and l seem to attract luck when l need it. I have inner peaceand although l still have to watch every move l made for fear of my ex attacking me, l am happy
I do think that everything is for a reason and l am just having to play catch up for not sorting some of theselessons out in previous lives. This is my interpretation of it.
I feel i'm finally OVER my lessons. Finally learnt and paid back my karma to all those people in my life. Ready
for whatever the Universe throws at me and will deal with it as it comes up because l am me now, totally
myself.
The 12th house has NOT helped at all... it means l never ask for help, never give away how i'm feeling, nevershow myself plus my stellium in Aries has landed me in so much impulsive hot water it's a joke LOL!!!!
Laugh or cry.... l chose laughMust be the Gemini rising that save me, l guess.
Who said life was boring!
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« Reply #105 - on: 03.10.2007 at 20:40 [UT+1] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 03.10.2007 at 15:17 [UT+1]:
Quote by MoulinRouge: "mediums/psychics and others have simply confirmed this."And I have no doubt that mediums/psychics often tell people what they want to hear, which is why I push for each person to learn to be
her own astrologer. Your birth time told you all of your stellium was in your 1st House, and my intuition tells me you should have stuckwith your birth time, instead of letting them change your chart all to the 12th House to fit your spiritual quests.
You have a great zeal and spirit to you, which commands attention. With all of that in the 12th, you would work behind the scenes in total
isolation, reclusiveness, and humility. Embrace your birth time, ride it like a proud horse !!!

I have no birthtime. My mother never wanted me so she blanked oout my birth totally.
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« Reply #106 - on: 03.10.2007 at 21:24 [UT+1] »Moulinrouge:
You have lived through all that hardship in your life. That certanly counts for something! A lot of old karmic
debts balanced I suppose.
Not falling back and taking "the easy way out" and become a victim of life. All this is to your advantage. In theend.
No turning back now.

If it's behind you, there will be something new in front of you...

I soo understand you want to know your "real" ASC, we all do. Maybe it will fall into place... eventually...
Keep going strong moulin...
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« Reply #107 - on: 03.10.2007 at 21:50 [UT+1] »Thank you Moonly... we all strife for the greater good and l am no different from my neighbour although being
so interested in Astrology and synastry/composites it really frustrates me that l could be 12th house or 1st
house. I wish the Universe would write it on my forehead whilst l was sleeping so l can just be done with it!
grrrrrr
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« Reply #108 - on: 03.10.2007 at 22:24 [UT+1] »mouline, it's sad but your story is not uncommon. i know quite a few much much much much much worse andcomplicated lives.....

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« Reply #109 - on: 03.10.2007 at 22:57 [UT+1] »I dig you solarwind.... and l agree. Maybe now i'm almost there my life path is to help others in similar
situations.
May l ask, do you really think i'm more Pisces than Gemini rising?
It's driving me crazy and being a Taurean i'm soooooo stubborn lol
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« Reply #110 - on: 03.10.2007 at 23:00 [UT+1] »i'm AbDbBb too... you seem to be outspoken extravertie which fit gemini more. pisces seem to be morereserved/ introspective in nature... again i dont quite remember your chart....

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« Reply #111 - on: 03.10.2007 at 23:07 [UT+1] »I am very extrovert although l can be shy and indecisive too but maybe my huge stellium in Aries makes mesuch.
To refresh your memory, i'm Aries: moon, venus, saturn, n node, eris
Taurus: sun, mercury, mars, lilithso pretty much all of the above are either 1st or 12th house!!
I'm very skinny with long limbs (could be my chinese monkey though!), left handed, quick brain, witty, love
speed, not massively social though and not good in large crowds. Father double aries, mother double
aquarius....
I would post my chart but i'm sure everyone is sick to death of the sight of it LOL!!
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« Reply #112 - on: 03.10.2007 at 23:11 [UT+1] »so you dont feel that the stellium in the 1st fits you? how old are you kids? perhaps when they grow up you
can do some humanitarian work... that's what i do i don't have a stelluim but have saturn moon and venus in
the 12th...it's a calling ... a lot of folks don't get it.. and tell me that i meant to be a rich man wife which i
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« Reply #113 - on: 03.10.2007 at 23:17 [UT+1] »Problem is l do think stellium in 1st fits me but that makes me Pisces rising and l just don't get it.
I was married to a Pisces and have a great friend who is one BUT that wishy washy to'ing for fro'ing they dojust drives me insane LOL!!!!!
I have no patience - i'm so un-taurean in this way
My kids are 3 boys - nearly 8 yrs old, just 6 yrs old and 21 months old.
In truth i'm torn between the 1st and 12th... l can see myself in both.
I think so much fire pretty much devastates my fields and leaves any other sign very little hope of surviving
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #114 - on: 03.10.2007 at 23:20 [UT+1] »What about Aries rising? Do you have your kids' times? Is one of those signs showing up in a sun, moon or
asc sign that's not easily attibutable to something else in your or one of your ex's charts? What about planetsthat are angular in the kids' charts? Of course, you should probably start a new thread.
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« Reply #115 - on: 03.10.2007 at 23:22 [UT+1] »Hi Ed,
Yes l have all my kids times.
I shall start a new thread if you would be so kind as to indulge me, so as not to hijack this already Moulin
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« Reply #116 - on: 04.10.2007 at 00:22 [UT+1] »Moulin, What I have heard used the most when birthtime is not known is the Sun Chart which has the Sun
degree on the Ascendant degree, and each cusp of the house is the number that the Sun degree in its sign is.
Why not make charts for each Ascendant sign around the zodiac and spread out the 12 charts in front of you
on a table, and then go back through your Progressions to your major events, your marriage and chidren

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being born and some sad things, etc., and match them to each of the 12 charts to see which one fits ? Keepscore on a scorecard if one chart fits them more than the others. I would use 15 degrees for each Ascendantsign degree in these.

Gender:Look for what degree the planets are at each major event in your Progressions, and at the date in theephemeris for the actual chart for your major events, and see which ones match the 12 Ascendants the closest.
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« Reply #117 - on: 04.10.2007 at 00:27 [UT+1] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 04.10.2007 at 00:22 [UT+1]:
Moulin, What I have heard used the most when birthtime is not known is the Sun Chart which has the Sun degree on the Ascendantdegree, and each cusp of the house is the number that the Sun degree in its sign is.
Why not make charts for each Ascendant sign around the zodiac and spread out the 12 charts in front of you on a table, and then go backthrough your Progressions to your major events, your marriage and chidren being born and some sad things, etc., and match them to eachof the 12 charts to see which one fits ? Keep score on a scorecard if one chart fits them more than the others. I would use 15 degrees foreach Ascendant sign degree in these.
Look for what degree the planets are at each major event in your Progressions, and at the date in the ephemeris for the actual chart foryour major events, and see which ones match the 12 Ascendants the closest.

Great idea Spiral 28, thanks.
I will give it a go, although l fear my grasp of astrology is not good enough yet but we shall see"learn as l go", right?
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« Reply #118 - on: 04.10.2007 at 01:24 [UT+1] »Quote from capricorn rising on 03.10.2007 at 10:48 [UT+1]:
people like myself and others feel they know the truth

really??
Spill!!!

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« Reply #119 - on: 04.10.2007 at 02:26 [UT+1] »Personally I'd like to be done with incarnations but if I must return again I'd like to put my request in to be akoala. Twenty hours a day of sleep? Oh that sounds like a peaceful existence!

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« Reply #120 - on: 04.10.2007 at 02:46 [UT+1] »I want to come back in my next life as one of Krista's dogs.

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« Reply #121 - on: 04.10.2007 at 02:58 [UT+1] »this topic found me in traffic to and from work, contemplating 'predistination' and contemporary, related
theories and religous beliefs.
from my point of view, an astrological birthchart illustrates the innate, naturally-flowing, unattended tendencies
of an individual. i imagine it similar in nature to the autonomous nervous system: one's heart beats without
constant attention, heat/pain/pressue nerve impulses relate these feelings to the brain and thence
consciouness, food is digested normally without giving it a thought.
my will has the potential to interfere with these automations. if i choose, i can stop my heart, cut my nerves
and introduce wiggly creatures into my person to interfere with elimination.
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Gender:i feel that Free Will is the discriminator between an autonomous life characterized by the natal horoscope, andreal life. people choose to do good works, others choose to do nothing, and others, terrible things. i don't
have to understand how one's choices are made, but only look at the outcome and its effect on others todetermine good, bad or damnable behaviors.
contrary to this assessment is the contemporary, pervasive philosophy of post-modernism wherein actions andoutcomes have no real meaning and no absolute assignment to good or bad. everything is relative tosomething else and there is no real anchor in absolute judgement. ::shudder::irrespective of these ramblings, my point is that there may not be any indicators of one's completion of earthly
reincarnations. i feel that if the correct path is chosen and actions taken, then reincarnation can be avoided.

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« Reply #122 - on: 04.10.2007 at 04:45 [UT+1] »I'm feeling the difference in two points of view in this thread may be the difference between movement at thetime of transition at death. One side thinks death means we can just stop moving ahead with lives on Earth,while the other side feels we are on a continuing spiral forever in progessive evolving..
To me, our movement never stops, just as the Moon never stops, or the path of the Solar System neverstops, or the planets around the Sun never stop. Nothing alive on the Earth in its life cycle ever stops. Each
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Gender:generation flows from the previous one and is connected to the next. Each incarnation progresses and evolves
life after life with no sympathy or regard for how good a person was or what he learned or what he did.
The most beautiful Full Moon of the year which inspired poets and lovers to ecstasy nevertheless kept moving
into Third Quarter and disappeared into the Dark before it became New Moon again in a new cycle. The
woman with a baby daughter in her womb is actually carrying her own potential grandchildren since the female
fetus carries every egg she will ever produce children with. The old connected to the present connected to thenew.
Our progressing forward seems relentless and intense to me, nonstoppable, being drawn to the Light fromwhence we came, a flicker of which has been placed inside of us to urge us on toward the Source. Just afeeling I have. We are programmed electro-magnetic beings that must act out the role given us at birth inorder to Balance, to reduce what we have too much energy of, and to reach for and develop that energy which
we lack.
So what could it mean that a person never incarnates again? That seems like the ultimate ego delusion to me.
Is anyone possibly that completed or that perfect? Does anyone have all of the previous karma of past lives
worked out and balanced with every person ever met?
Does anyone imagine that he or she has learned every lesson needed to be greater than others to the pointthat there is nothing more to learn as a superior being in the future?
If we are all tiny parts of the One, then isn't each one of us on a Treasure Hunt each life to go out and findwhat is lacking on the Cosmic List, and to do our best to incorporate it into ourselves and bring it back to the
combined spiritual force at our death? This life I'll bring back the evolved teachings and you bring back thecreative music of the age and he can bring back the inspired art forms of the century? Our grandfather
brought back a better way to create glass, and our grandson will bring back a better way to fly a spaceship?
This combined force of the One Spiritual Force then has the new evolved impetus to put new Souls into the
Earth for their next Round moving forward from where they left off before, carrying with them a programmed
new impetus of their new role in the new life to improve the Earth on their new Treasure Hunt?
We can't fool ourselves into thinking that we are so important when we are only, in relation to every other lifeon Earth, no more than the particles of sand on a huge beach that brushes up against a limitless sea whichechoes in our dreams.

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« Reply #123 - on: 04.10.2007 at 04:55 [UT+1] »Quote from Micha on 04.10.2007 at 02:26 [UT+1]:
Personally I'd like to be done with incarnations but if I must return again I'd like to put my request in to be a koala. Twenty hours a dayof sleep? Oh that sounds like a peaceful existence!

Yuck....

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« Reply #124 - on: 04.10.2007 at 05:32 [UT+1] »Hello,
I saw your post and thought maybe this could be an explanation to your question.
As I was trying to understand something about Tibetan astrology, a Tulku (Living Buddha) told me: after you
go deep in the practice (of the Dharma), the astrological rules do not apply anymore.
Maybe that is why it would be difficult to say when one can achieve nirvanah? Let alone if the person goesduring the Bardo time...
But I am sorry to say that I also kind of understood that achieving nirvanah was requiring quite a lot of
personal efforts ...
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« Reply #125 - on: 04.10.2007 at 13:15 [UT+1] »Quote from DavidGB on 04.10.2007 at 04:55 [UT+1]:
Quote from Micha on 04.10.2007 at 02:26 [UT+1]:
Personally I'd like to be done with incarnations but if I must return again I'd like to put my request in to be a koala.
Twenty hours a day of sleep? Oh that sounds like a peaceful existence!

Yuck....

David,Such a harsh response! Were you victimized by a koala at one time? Why so negative?
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« Reply #126 - on: 04.10.2007 at 14:07 [UT+1] »I'd feel cheated if this was my last. It wouldn't be fair that I got chart features that stopped me partying myway through my last life!

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« Reply #127 - on: 04.10.2007 at 14:32 [UT+1] »Quote from Alice Kapian on 04.10.2007 at 05:32 [UT+1]:
Hello,
I saw your post and thought maybe this could be an explanation to your question.

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Gender:As I was trying to understand something about Tibetan astrology, a Tulku (Living Buddha) told me: after you go deep in the practice (ofthe Dharma), the astrological rules do not apply anymore.
Maybe that is why it would be difficult to say when one can achieve nirvanah? Let alone if the person goes during the Bardo time...
But I am sorry to say that I also kind of understood that achieving nirvanah was requiring quite a lot of personal efforts ...

Dose that meen in part of the process in reaching nirvana one's mastery of mind no longer rely's on the wombof this world to justify mentality, instead having built understanding of the true meaning of life then utilise's
one's own understanding instead of the understanding (and reliance) of this reality (astrology) to drive one's
experience/learning?
At what point dose this occure? at nirvana it-self or.. i don't no, ego-desolution? it would make sence, every
planetary possition seem's to procure a different type of ego.. all can work together all can work against.
Wishing i knew more...
p.s. i'm un-decided on the liniar or non-liniar re-incarnation.. it seem's to me that the body-soul split of deathmight have more split than one, to have our karma(life's effect's) split into many time's and place's(indervidual's) would be the most sencible way to have it lived... if so then what inderviduality is left to say thata reincarnation has taken place? seem's more complicated than that.
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Eliza
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Krista ShippMember« Reply #129 - on: 04.10.2007 at 23:52 [UT+1] »Quote from judyanne on 04.10.2007 at 02:46 [UT+1]:
I want to come back in my next life as one of Krista's dogs.

LOL...
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Oh- he is on a kick of not eating unless you dance for him....

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LilianeHakansson« Reply #130 - on: 05.10.2007 at 00:10 [UT+1] »Ex MemberHi
Just want to comment on "Jesus" and "Christ" not being one entity. Jesus was a person with a "Christ
consciousness" just like Osiris, Buddha and other enlightened persons. We seldom hear of women (of course)
but Hildegard von Bingen is a good example. Now that we have the huge task of balancing Eand D, the femaleenergy (very strong in the personality of Jesus, riding the ass mounted as a woman, both legs on oneside)must and will increase in humanity, the act of "creation"E is totally out of balance with the recieving,caring Denergy. So don´t think so much about not reincarnating, get to work!
G and muchf and a strooongC, veryI-ic and veryJnic

I have gB, and a strooong

Also Jesus was probably not born in the middle of wintertime. Even in Palestine
the shepherds and their flock was not sleeping outside, it was too cold. It´s more likely he was born during
spring. The 24/12 is an adjustment to the worship of the return of the Solar-God, the sunsolstice. The scenario
with a son of God being sacrified is common in most religions on earth. It symbolizes the material cross we all
are hung upon, just like the axis in the chart
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« Reply #131 - on: 05.10.2007 at 02:49 [UT+1] »Quote from Mr Weird on 04.10.2007 at 14:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from Alice Kapian on 04.10.2007 at 05:32 [UT+1]:
Hello,
I saw your post and thought maybe this could be an explanation to your question.
As I was trying to understand something about Tibetan astrology, a Tulku (Living Buddha) told me: after you go deep inthe practice (of the Dharma), the astrological rules do not apply anymore.
Maybe that is why it would be difficult to say when one can achieve nirvanah? Let alone if the person goes during the
Bardo time...
But I am sorry to say that I also kind of understood that achieving nirvanah was requiring quite a lot of personal efforts ...

Dose that meen in part of the process in reaching nirvana one's mastery of mind no longer rely's on the womb of this world to justify
mentality, instead having built understanding of the true meaning of life then utilise's one's own understanding instead of theunderstanding (and reliance) of this reality (astrology) to drive one's experience/learning?
At what point dose this occure? at nirvana it-self or.. i don't no, ego-desolution? it would make sence, every planetary possition seem's toprocure a different type of ego.. all can work together all can work against.
Wishing i knew more...
p.s. i'm un-decided on the liniar or non-liniar re-incarnation.. it seem's to me that the body-soul split of death might have more split thanone, to have our karma(life's effect's) split into many time's and place's (indervidual's) would be the most sencible way to have it lived...
if so then what inderviduality is left to say that a reincarnation has taken place? seem's more complicated than that.
Love n learn

I just saw a cartoon explaining very pleasantly the Buddhist approach.
First image:
A glass of water.,A neeedle droping into the glass of water
Second image:
A glass of water,
A grain of salt droping into the glass of water.
Comment:
when we (human beings) are in some environment, we do not lose our personality, whatever happens, our ego
stays very strong,when a superior being (bodhisattva..) goes in some environment, he dissolves in it. One cannot find him
anymore, but he is everywhere, giving to any drop of water a salty taste…
Explanation:
When there is a “I”, there is a “you”, when there is differenciation, then the passions arise…
The perception of the reality goes through the “I” and the senses.
The Buddhist view is to dissolve the “I” and to get liberated from the cycle of birth and death in the 6 realms.
(in short)..
Hope it answers a bit…
PS, the "I" is made from the karmic experiences (rather karmics bonds and consequences...) that, like a
cocoon, get thicker and thicker, denser and denser...
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« Reply #132 - on: 05.10.2007 at 03:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Micha on 04.10.2007 at 13:15 [UT+1]:
Quote from DavidGB on 04.10.2007 at 04:55 [UT+1]:
Quote from Micha on 04.10.2007 at 02:26 [UT+1]:
Personally I'd like to be done with incarnations but if I must return again I'd like to put my request in to bea koala. Twenty hours a day of sleep? Oh that sounds like a peaceful existence!

Yuck....

David,Such a harsh response! Were you victimized by a koala at one time? Why so negative?

No,no, I just didn't think it would be fun to suck on Eucalytpus leaves all day. Don'tmeanto soud harsh..
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« Reply #133 - on: 05.10.2007 at 04:10 [UT+1] »Quote from DavidGB on 05.10.2007 at 03:44 [UT+1]:
Quote from Micha on 04.10.2007 at 13:15 [UT+1]:
Quote from DavidGB on 04.10.2007 at 04:55 [UT+1]:
Quote from Micha on 04.10.2007 at 02:26 [UT+1]:
Personally I'd like to be done with incarnations but if I must return again I'd like to put myrequest in to be a koala. Twenty hours a day of sleep? Oh that sounds like a peacefulexistence!

Yuck....

David,Such a harsh response! Were you victimized by a koala at one time? Why so negative?

No,no, I just didn't think it would be fun to suck on Eucalytpus leaves all day. Don'tmeanto soud harsh..

LOL
I bet it's fun for KOALAS!! they are such cuties...
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« Reply #134 - on: 05.10.2007 at 04:21 [UT+1] »koalas are grumpy scratchy animals not a cuties...look at those claws

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« Reply #135 - on: 05.10.2007 at 06:12 [UT+1] »all major spiritual practices negate material including our physical bodies...so i don't know how to look at life
though it's pretty entertaining at times...the whole earthly existence is a web of contradictions....

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« Reply #136 - on: 05.10.2007 at 20:13 [UT+1] »Quote from Micha on 04.10.2007 at 13:15 [UT+1]:
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Quote from Micha on 04.10.2007 at 02:26 [UT+1]:
Personally I'd like to be done with incarnations but if I must return again I'd like to put my request in to bea koala. Twenty hours a day of sleep? Oh that sounds like a peaceful existence!

Yuck....

David,Such a harsh response! Were you victimized by a koala at one time? Why so negative?

Well I think I could say, if I wanted to be re-incarnated maybe I'd want to come back as a tree, maybe apotential Seqouia, or one of those big Cedar trees, I could hold my branches out and soak up the sun.
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« Reply #137 - on: 05.10.2007 at 20:17 [UT+1] »Quote from DavidGB on 05.10.2007 at 20:13 [UT+1]:
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Personally I'd like to be done with incarnations but if I must return again I'd like to put myrequest in to be a koala. Twenty hours a day of sleep? Oh that sounds like a peacefulexistence!

Yuck....

David,

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Well I think I could say, if I wanted to be re-incarnated maybe I'd want to come back as a tree, maybe a potential Seqouia, or one ofthose big Cedar trees, I could hold my branches out and soak up the sun.

Why not come back as a eucalyptus tree? Let me dig my claws in as I devour the leaves!
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« Reply #138 - on: 05.10.2007 at 20:19 [UT+1] »Vibra922,
Gorgeous photo! They certainly are cuties!!!

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« Reply #139 - on: 09.10.2007 at 07:19 [UT+1] »Quote from Micha on 05.10.2007 at 20:17 [UT+1]:
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Personally I'd like to be done with incarnations but if I must return again I'd like to
put my request in to be a koala. Twenty hours a day of sleep? Oh that sounds like apeaceful existence!

Yuck....

David,Such a harsh response! Were you victimized by a koala at one time? Why so negative?

Well I think I could say, if I wanted to be re-incarnated maybe I'd want to come back as a tree, maybe a potential
Seqouia, or one of those big Cedar trees, I could hold my branches out and soak up the sun.

Why not come back as a eucalyptus tree? Let me dig my claws in as I devour the leaves!

Here's a nice eucalyptus tree to chew on, its grows in my neighborhood.

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« Reply #140 - on: 09.10.2007 at 09:42 [UT+1] »The ancient Hindu Tantriks (not the neo sexual kind) said that there are 5 things that anchor us to our earthly
cycles. When we can give these up and give up attachment to them as well, then we are free to leave thereincarnation cycle of earth. These are the panchamakara or 5 things that bind us to the desire to return over
and over to the physical body; sex, alcohol, meat, grain and fish. Other addictions such as smoking drugs etc,
are all subsequent to the original 5 and can only exist when one or more of the main 5 are evident.
The ancient tantrik adept refrained from the 5, yet ritually indulged because it was only through temptationand trial that they could see if they really had surrendered attachment. If desire was lurking beneath thePosts: 615

surface, partaking of the object would reignite it and they would again lust after it. That's a bit like the alcoholic
who knows they are ok as long as the don't touch the drink.
How would this reflect in the birth chart? I guess it is about self sacrifice. One must sacrifice pleasures of theflesh for a greater spiritual purpose.
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« Reply #141 - on: 09.10.2007 at 12:47 [UT+1] »Quote from Sushanna Macrae on 09.10.2007 at 09:42 [UT+1]:

How would this reflect in the birth chart? I guess it is about self sacrifice. One must sacrifice pleasures of the flesh for a greater spiritual
purpose.
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Sue

Not for the b AC I guess
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« Reply #142 - on: 09.10.2007 at 18:19 [UT+1] »Quote from Sushanna Macrae on 09.10.2007 at 09:42 [UT+1]:
The ancient Hindu Tantriks (not the neo sexual kind) said that there are 5 things that anchor us to our earthly cycles. When we can givethese up and give up attachment to them as well, then we are free to leave the reincarnation cycle of earth. These are the panchamakara
or 5 things that bind us to the desire to return over and over to the physical body; sex, alcohol, meat, grain and fish. Other addictions
such as smoking drugs etc, are all subsequent to the original 5 and can only exist when one or more of the main 5 are evident.
The ancient tantrik adept refrained from the 5, yet ritually indulged because it was only through temptation and trial that they could see ifthey really had surrendered attachment. If desire was lurking beneath the surface, partaking of the object would reignite it and they would
again lust after it. That's a bit like the alcoholic who knows they are ok as long as the don't touch the drink.
How would this reflect in the birth chart? I guess it is about self sacrifice. One must sacrifice pleasures of the flesh for a greater spiritual
purpose.
regards,
Sue

I don't think "Rebirth" has to be that way. People experience an escape from the wheel, or an "enlightenment"
like becoming lucid in a dream. have you ever been lucid in a dream, you know whata great feeling that is.
Well I think the big enlightenment were talking about is the cycle of death and rebirth ..becoming lucid atthis
level you transcend death and rebirth.
I think its much the ending in that movie ,"The Matrix", Where "Neo" becomes aware ( through the power oflove) that he is living in a program, though he is not truly part of it, and he learns to manipulate that
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« Reply #143 - on: 09.10.2007 at 20:18 [UT+1] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 09.10.2007 at 12:47 [UT+1]:
Quote from Sushanna Macrae on 09.10.2007 at 09:42 [UT+1]:

How would this reflect in the birth chart? I guess it is about self sacrifice. One must sacrifice pleasures of the flesh for agreater spiritual purpose.
regards,
Sue

Not for the

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« Reply #144 - on: 10.10.2007 at 04:26 [UT+1] »Quote from Alice Kapian on 05.10.2007 at 02:49 [UT+1]:
Quote from Mr Weird on 04.10.2007 at 14:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from Alice Kapian on 04.10.2007 at 05:32 [UT+1]:
Hello,
I saw your post and thought maybe this could be an explanation to your question.
As I was trying to understand something about Tibetan astrology, a Tulku (Living Buddha) told me: after
you go deep in the practice (of the Dharma), the astrological rules do not apply anymore.
Maybe that is why it would be difficult to say when one can achieve nirvanah? Let alone if the person goesduring the Bardo time...

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Gender:But I am sorry to say that I also kind of understood that achieving nirvanah was requiring quite a lot of
personal efforts ...

Dose that meen in part of the process in reaching nirvana one's mastery of mind no longer rely's on the womb of thisworld to justify mentality, instead having built understanding of the true meaning of life then utilise's one's own
understanding instead of the understanding (and reliance) of this reality (astrology) to drive one's experience/learning?
At what point dose this occure? at nirvana it-self or.. i don't no, ego-desolution? it would make sence, every planetary
possition seem's to procure a different type of ego.. all can work together all can work against.
Wishing i knew more...
p.s. i'm un-decided on the liniar or non-liniar re-incarnation.. it seem's to me that the body-soul split of death might havemore split than one, to have our karma(life's effect's) split into many time's and place's (indervidual's) would be the mostsencible way to have it lived... if so then what inderviduality is left to say that a reincarnation has taken place? seem's
more complicated than that.
Love n learn

I just saw a cartoon explaining very pleasantly the Buddhist approach.
First image:
A glass of water.,A neeedle droping into the glass of water
Second image:
A glass of water,
A grain of salt droping into the glass of water.
Comment:
when we (human beings) are in some environment, we do not lose our personality, whatever happens, our ego stays very strong,when a superior being (bodhisattva..) goes in some environment, he dissolves in it. One cannot find him anymore, but he is everywhere,
giving to any drop of water a salty taste…
Explanation:
When there is a “I”, there is a “you”, when there is differenciation, then the passions arise…
The perception of the reality goes through the “I” and the senses.
The Buddhist view is to dissolve the “I” and to get liberated from the cycle of birth and death in the 6 realms. (in short)..
Hope it answers a bit…
PS, the "I" is made from the karmic experiences (rather karmics bonds and consequences...) that, like a cocoon, get thicker and thicker,
denser and denser...

Hi,
That's quite a good example and a clear explanation of some core parts of Buddhist. I myself are quite
interested in some Buddhist "content". Apart from religion, I feel it provides many other refreshing perspectives
to see our lives, thus affects our decisions. The laws and logics there (with other religions) are powerful.
I am not sure to say I belive in reincarnation or such such reincarnation. However, I do feel all the things alive
share sth. ; human and animals are much more similar if you look at them in a larger range. The relationship is
not discrete or isolated; on the contrary, they are more likely evolving, "spiral like" progression.
I might also be inclined to feel the unknown could be some other lifes/karma debts etc. I do feel it is not myfirst life. Sometimes, I feel I can feel a group of people's feelings (like many souls on me from previous lives);
Sometimes, I feel some places/music/people might mean special to me due to our last lives' encouters.
I am not clear of path of this life. However, when the heart experiences sth. deathly hard, then it begins to beborn again.
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Ex Member« Reply #145 - on: 10.10.2007 at 21:44 [UT+1] »Hi Micha! A fellow Taurean?

Do you feel any change with temptations as the time passes by?

I have never been much into alcohol or smoking, so these are not real "pleasures" - but I so much enjoy a glassof good red wine or champagne on (really) special occasions (and in a nice glass).
Meat is grounding, that's for sure, I feel it very well. As I am allergic, I don't eat wheat (I like to be tempted by
the fresh croissant though). But sex... it must be really difficult if not impossible for any sign to give up,
especially in the reproductive age?
I've tried to be a vegetarian for one year, but it made me very sick. Apparently my body cannot assimilate plant
proteins, so to stay well I do need a little bit of flesh (if I want to care about the body more than the spirit,that is).
Temptations and attachment... Thank you for your post, Sue, it made me reflect on things. I know I mightseem naive to suggest such an easy way out, but why can't we enjoy this life without major indulgencies, andgradually disconnect from the anchor - naturally, as we age? Isn't it what happens (or should happen) anyway?
The senses become less acute: smell, sound, taste... anesthesized at the end of life, turning the focus inward,
for the deep life analysis. This is the crucial part of life I think - older years. (Or is it just my jABC state ofmind).
Besides, denials lead to neuroses normally, and I am not sure of the spiritual value of that.

Would you havemore insights, Sushanna?
Working on wrongly placed emotional bonds seems like a good idea, though!
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LilianeHakansson« Reply #146 - on: 10.10.2007 at 22:57 [UT+1] »Ex MemberHi
Today I´m so Iian I feel like al, if it´s at all possible to feel as another Asign. I´ve got Aand BmI, DtI
and FqI. Anyway I´m still waiting for the love of my life, if he doesn´t turn up during myFDrm2008 I
cannot see anything in my horoscope that would indicate meeting an earthly lover. I don´t want to live with anangel, and devils I´ve already tried. At the same time I´m so into spirituality. By the way; on the news they
told about a nunnery in Poland that was "stormed" by female police. The nuns were illegaly occuying thenunnery. To everybody´s surprise one of the nuns carried an 8 months old baby and several of them werepregnant. There was also a monk and some other men of unidentified origin

FiniisoOinl, right

I think the concept of monks and nuns living in celibate is a misconception of a human need to withdraw to bealone during times when you seek your Higher Self. I found some nasty lower selfs on the way, but now as they
are located I´m prepared to meet the most wonderful man Í ever met. My radixjDiso the Nodes and I, so it
has to be "made in heaven" somehow. But I must admit that I´ve been thinking that my intrerest for theheavenly realms would ask of me to sacrifice earthly love and success.
I try to be my own shrink and tellmyself that it´s a perverted way of fear for getting close to someone. Also the very physical act of sexualintercourse actually sits in the brain since you can have a dream and have an orgasm. What punishment would
a nun or monk have for such a dream?
Hm, I realize I also have AqJ and EmO today..............
So to try to liberate oneself completely from "earthly pleasures" when one has a longing to experience humanearthly love which also is an expression of the beauty of life, will indeed cause neurosis. If expressing your loveto another human being also in the physical intimate act of sex should be some lesser degree of love andprevent you from "not reincarnating" I think that is spiritual snobbery.
Of course you can choose this way for
yourself, but that doesn´t mean everybody elses way is the same as yours...
Sometimes you get surprised by your own thoughts
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« Reply #147 - on: 11.10.2007 at 10:49 [UT+1] »Dear Liliane,
I agree on most points you are making.
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« Reply #148 - on: 11.10.2007 at 11:27 [UT+1] »Ex Member

Hi Seagoat!
Is your name alluding to a strong Gand waterinflence? Suits me well. I would be interested in what points you
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« Reply #149 - on: 11.10.2007 at 12:51 [UT+1] »Hi Liliane,
Today is Thursday, Jupiter's day - do you feel it? I certainly do (mine is Fi in the 8th, oJ)
You put it so nicely in your post, I actually agree wholeheartedly with what you said.
I just have not tried devils.
No, I don't have any planets in water - I am a Capricorn ABC 10th House (a.k.a. seagoat), Scorpio DC and a
Pisces Mom. I like sea a lot (I live 30 km from the shore, so go there every weekend).
I guess Saturn is strong, at least there is a lot of it: Grx in the 1st b, pAB, okD and taE.
Heard your recording - beautiful! Although I don't know your language, from your contributions on the forum I
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Hakansson« Reply #150 - on: 11.10.2007 at 13:21 [UT+1] »Ex Member

Hi Seagoat!
Still don´t get the "sea"symbolism, swedish you know, not knowing the nuances in english. No water at all?
How about conections to I and waterhouses? Well you probably meet a lot of "waterpeople" with the DC inh,I´m a superhmyself so. Well Fthe traditional ruler of lisq myI and also FinioOinladds to the F-ian
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« Reply #151 - on: 11.10.2007 at 14:33 [UT+1] »Hi Liliane,
Yes, Capricorn is quite a mysterious creature isn't it - a goat with a fishtail... Here is what Deborah Holding issaying about its symbolism:
Quote:...a creature with the forelimbs of a goat attached to the tail of a fish, the abyss of the ocean is combined with mountainous terrain. This
represents a 'cross of matter' between the psyche and its manifestation in the material, drawing the soul out of its collective stupor toconfront the challenges of reality and individualism. The ocean, besides symbolising primordial roots, relates to instinctive wisdom,
secrets, and knowledge that lies buried within the depths of consciousness. Capricorn, bearing only the tail of an aquatic creature, keeps ahead that is free from impressionable thought - at a rational level Capricorns are affected only by what they can define through logic andreasoned assessment, but unconsciously, spiritually and emotionally they draw from the deep.

My husband is Scorpio rising actually, and I am attracted to this sign. j and h usually understand each othervery well, although are seemingly so different.
I have iI in the 7th pE in 12th, oD, nG, tO.
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Hakansson« Reply #152 - on: 11.10.2007 at 15:26 [UT+1] »Ex Member

Hi Seagoat!
Do you mean you haveIini? Anyway ifIis pEin the12.th withhdesc(trad.rulerE) that´s a strong Itunian
theme. I have some Aand Bjfriends. One of my tenants was a j, everything in her room was in o order, evenher handbags and shoes! She haseBand is a very loyal and caring person.
I´ve got mGin my 12.th inf and T ojD/I/Nodes. D isE#and widelypG and "The Old Devil# isalso mmyfAsc and o MC inc. I use to joke about my J-nic "horrorscope" AmChoJ locked in asGbox! What
will happen when Pandora opens it
Meditate on the NewB tonight!
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« Reply #153 - on: 11.10.2007 at 15:29 [UT+1] »Hi again.......
What is the esoteric ruler of j? I like the fishtail drawing wisdom from the deep ocean, that´s where

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« Reply #154 - on: 11.10.2007 at 21:02 [UT+1] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 10.10.2007 at 21:44 [UT+1]:
Hi Micha! A fellow Taurean?

Do you feel any change with temptations as the time passes by?

I have never been much into alcohol or smoking, so these are not real "pleasures" - but I so much enjoy a glass of good red wine or
champagne on (really) special occasions (and in a nice glass).
Meat is grounding, that's for sure, I feel it very well. As I am allergic, I don't eat wheat (I like to be tempted by the fresh croissantthough). But sex... it must be really difficult if not impossible for any sign to give up, especially in the reproductive age?

I've tried to be a vegetarian for one year, but it made me very sick. Apparently my body cannot assimilate plant proteins, so to stay well I
do need a little bit of flesh (if I want to care about the body more than the spirit, that is).

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Hi SeaGoat! jA b ASC & aB here. Yes, nearing 39 I do find that the only real temptation to last is
chocolate. It's true about high sex drive during reproductive years. However mine didn't really kick in until I
got divorced...around the age of 25. I wasn't interested in alcohol before that age either. After becoming
single I finally decided to hit the club scene and found that I really enjoyed margaritas, long island ice-teas andsex! At age 28 I had quite an attraction to younger men and started seeing someone 9 yrs younger. Of course
this could have been due to being in the military surrounded by really young guys. Most of the ones my age
were married so I had fun with the boys instead.
So now I'm married and unfortunately the sex has
decreased. Why does that happen to married couples so frequently??? I wonder if I were single right now
would it be a different story? Or maybe I'd be in training to become a buddhist nun!
I feel like a vegetarian sometimes as my husband doesn't eat meat. And on the rare occasion that I order meatin a restaurant I definitely notice a difference. I seem to get some crazy energy....especially with bacon! For
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« Reply #155 - on: 12.10.2007 at 04:20 [UT+1] »A Taurean who can't eat meat, is that bad...

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« Reply #156 - on: 12.10.2007 at 04:27 [UT+1] »Not as bad a a quad d with a severe shellfish allergey....

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« Reply #158 - on: 12.10.2007 at 06:07 [UT+1] »Quote from Liliane Hakansson on 11.10.2007 at 15:29 [UT+1]:
Hi again.......
What is the esoteric ruler ofj? I like the fishtail drawing wisdom from the deep ocean, that´s where hresides!

LilianeHi Liliane,
I had to look it up - It's Saturn all the way, although some add Lilith. I am Sidereal Cap too.
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« Reply #159 - on: 12.10.2007 at 06:57 [UT+1] »Quote from Micha on 11.10.2007 at 21:02 [UT+1]:
Hi SeaGoat!

jA b ASC & aB here. Yes, nearing 39 I do find that the only real temptation to last is chocolate. It's true about high sex

drive during reproductive years. However mine didn't really kick in until I got divorced...around the age of 25. I wasn't interested inalcohol before that age either. After becoming single I finally decided to hit the club scene and found that I really enjoyed margaritas, longisland ice-teas and sex! At age 28 I had quite an attraction to younger men and started seeing someone 9 yrs younger. Of course this
could have been due to being in the military surrounded by really young guys. Most of the ones my age were married so I had fun with theboys instead.

So now I'm married and unfortunately the sex has decreased. Why does that happen to married couples so frequently???

I wonder if I were single right now would it be a different story? Or maybe I'd be in training to become a buddhist nun!
I feel like a vegetarian sometimes as my husband doesn't eat meat. And on the rare occasion that I order meat in a restaurant I definitely
notice a difference. I seem to get some crazy energy....especially with bacon! For some reason it makes me a bit hyper. And smoking?
That's not my idea of pleasure. YUCK!
-MichaSex and chocolate, eh? Sometimes these are used interchangeably, but people could not be more wrong! Twodistinct pleasures, aren't they (love them both). Chocolate is food. Sex is divine, it is mystifying, and needs theengagement of one's very soul...
Marital sex is different from single sex, agree... Apart from the daily concerns, stress at work, etc. etc. married
couples live with their own "inner partners", "projections", etc. Therefore there are always power struggles (evenif we don't realize it), intense emotional play in the midst of love and companionship. Did you notice that when
you are happy with your life, your partner will be happy too? For really good sex people need to lose theirdefences, and also be comfortable with themSelves.
As Liliane implied, sex is somewhere in the "thalamus", some chamber in the brain that we need to enter, andopen the door for the partner... And who knows, maybe this is one of the lessons for our earthy incarnations.
Most lessons are emotional here, most problems - spiritual...
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« Reply #160 - on: 12.10.2007 at 07:02 [UT+1] »there are way too many reasons why people dont open that door

very earthly ( meaning "karmic"(i amgetting sick of this word))reasons...

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« Reply #161 - on: 12.10.2007 at 07:24 [UT+1] »Care to elaborate?
I personally think it has to do with a somewhat weaker connection to the higher self.
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« Reply #162 - on: 12.10.2007 at 07:33 [UT+1] »people have fears... sex can be an instrument to manipulate people... people are afraid(dont want) to be
manipulated... too many people open their mental, soul and other "doors" without too much thought, all inwrong time, places and even with the seemingly wrong people... others give it too much thought and miss their"chance of the life"...
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« Reply #163 - on: 12.10.2007 at 10:44 [UT+1] »Hmmmm
As a veryJnichgBmI T oDINN Ein12.thpD I´ve gone between the extremes when it comes to sex, atleast in the way I experience it. All or nothing, heaven and hell. Sex is the very prerequsite for our earthly
existance, no wonder ít´s a big issue! Most people (including myself up til now) are not conscious of the huge
impact the sexual union has on a persons psyche. Just a "one night stand" is not "just but". Probably this is aquestion of spiritual development, the hardest to attain. It´s much easier to either skip spirituality for sex, or
skip the sex for spirituality. The combination must be heaven on earth, and then a couple will never have anyneed for other partners. Life is so full of interesting things to explore, intresting people to meet, wonderfulnature to roam and enormous problems to confront. If you find a partner who is on the same wawelength, you´ll be occupied all the time and it will just being like meeting for the first time everytime!
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« Reply #164 - on: 12.10.2007 at 22:12 [UT+1] »It is interesting to observe that many people consider themselves ready to not reincarnate again, and yet they
hope that Christ or other god-like perfected being will come to Earth again. "To be born amidst blood,
excrement and waters..." or made of clay?
Isn't it the moment when spirituality actually begins - with the
God incarnate.
It is also amusing to think that if we finally "get off the karmic wheel" and go live somewhere else - Uranus
maybe - will we miss Earth? Or maybe with the aid of Uranian astrology we, the beings of fine haze, will betrying to guess where we spent our past lives. In the human body?! wow...
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« Reply #165 - on: 12.10.2007 at 22:31 [UT+1] »Hm Seagoat...seems like these highevolved entities come here to help us to ascend to the other dimensions.
Anyway it´s considered being very courageous to incarnate on the Earth, and that it´s one of the mostbeautiful places in the Universe. That´s why we must keep on incarnating until we restored our Paradise Garden
AND the balance betweenEand D..Last sentence my own add
Will take some more generations I
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« Reply #166 - on: 28.10.2007 at 12:04 [UT] »I have a lot that I could say about this, but would anyone believe me?

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« Reply #167 - on: 28.10.2007 at 12:19 [UT] »Hi Ariel,
I am all ears
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« Reply #168 - on: 28.10.2007 at 12:40 [UT] »Sea Goat,
Thank you so much for being receptive to what I have to say.

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Some-one famous, I can't remember who now, said that there is nothing more isolating than having
paranormal experiences, because one cannot talk about them to anyone for fear of not being believed.
Thank you again, but I'll have to find a way to talk about this that is not going to have me seen as some kindof kook.
Thanks again.

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« Reply #169 - on: 28.10.2007 at 12:42 [UT] »Hi Ariel!
...don´t know until you told us
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« Reply #170 - on: 28.10.2007 at 12:46 [UT] »Maybe if I talk about this astrologically, it will be easier to explain.
Something happened to me when I was 14 years old, during October 1968.

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Please note that Uranus, Jupiter and Pluto were transiting through the 8th house at the time.
Neptune was also transiting through my 10th house.
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« Reply #171 - on: 28.10.2007 at 12:48 [UT] »Hi Ariel!
I´ve heard and experienced a lot im my days...must be something extraordinary to "make my ears fall off"
By the way, there´s a thread "My shamen awakening" where you will feel "At home"
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« Reply #172 - on: 28.10.2007 at 13:03 [UT] »so i take it there was an intelligent, compassionate, pulsing ball of light then~!?))
i think we'll hear with kind ears.

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dimension of reality? I

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The tragic thing is that I don't even know the answer to that question myself.
In one of Howard Sasportas books, I can't remember which one, he said that when it's a choice between thematerial and the spiritual it is really hard to leave the material and go with the spiritual. It was something likethat. I don't know if he was referring to my type of particular situation, but what he said really resonated withme. I've got to look up in one of his books what he said exactly, but it really hit me for six when I read that.
I had always hated people who I regarded as materialistic, but the greatest shock of my life has been therealisation that I TOO, chose the physical material world over the non-material world,and on a very deep level
it's something which I feel a great deal of shame over.
There is so much of my life that is bizarre beyond belief, and that's why I love astrology so much, as it's only
astrology which helps me to understand to a degree what has been going on. Because I couldn't talk about
this to an astrologer, I've had to learn astrology by myself, and that's why I have so many astrology books. I
have well over 50.
Anyway, if you have any questions fire away.

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« Reply #174 - on: 28.10.2007 at 13:12 [UT] »Thanks Sea goat, Lilliane and behobo.
It's a very long story, and I should really start at the beginning when I was a child. Then it might make a bit
more sense.
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« Reply #175 - on: 28.10.2007 at 13:24 [UT] »hi Ariel 1
what a beautiful grand trine in the fire signs you have~!
sometimes i think fire is spirituality. one of the people i think of as highly spiritual has eight fire planets.
of course spirituality can come through the dirt too,,,every element really.
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it's the manifest world that's manifold,,,spirit is one,,or at least headed that way. wait!,,that's not true~!spirit
and world aren't opposite~! in fact that's a residual material thought,,comparitive,,win/lose)) spirit and world
are inseperable,,though the illusion of seperateness is usefull for some learnings)
does spirit exist in arrogant hierarchy and leave shame to the "outsiders"?
not really,,that haughty shaming one wasn't god.
love is the whole of the law,,,
make it so~)i really DO believe you can see the invisible

lionel corbett who writes about the psychology of spirtual experience said that it's precisely through our
deepest wounds that we approach the numinous~)

thanks for sharing)
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« Reply #176 - on: 28.10.2007 at 13:33 [UT] »Ex Member

Hi behobo ariel and all of you
My 12.house fEmGo 3.rd houseiN totally agree. Must look up yourNAriel when back from a walk with
Pajazzo, my eRatCollie.
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« Reply #177 - on: 28.10.2007 at 15:22 [UT] »ArielYour N "The wounded healer" the area in the chart where you may feel most "hurt" but also the road tohealing these wounds is in your 11.th house injoI, a very accurate reflection I think of what you aredescribing here. Have you read "Chiron: Rainbow Bridge Between the Inner&Outer Planets by Barbara Hand
Clow. She is ankwith rather "spaced out thoughts" some would think, but not you though
I can´t do a brief interpretation here, to busy, someone else perhaps? Come back later though
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« Reply #178 - on: 28.10.2007 at 22:33 [UT] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 12.10.2007 at 22:12 [UT+1]:
It is interesting to observe that many people consider themselves ready to not reincarnate again, and yet they hope that Christ or othergod-like perfected being will come to Earth again. "To be born amidst blood, excrement and waters..." or made of clay?

Isn't it the

moment when spirituality actually begins - with the God incarnate.
It is also amusing to think that if we finally "get off the karmic wheel" and go live somewhere else - Uranus maybe - will we miss Earth?
Or maybe with the aid of Uranian astrology we, the beings of fine haze, will be trying to guess where we spent our past lives. In thehuman body?! wow...
SG
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Hi Seagoat, I wonder what those people want to do instead of reincarnation. What is wrong with "blood,
excrement and water"? Certainly there are a few difficult hours, days or years when excrement is overabundant and smells bad but usually it turns into fertilizer.
I imagine that there is a waiting list and a long queu waiting for reincarnation over there and the mostfortunate ones get a ticket for a Taurus sun like Buddha did.
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« Reply #179 - on: 28.10.2007 at 22:44 [UT] »If we retain the same 'soul energy' <as I Believe we do>- do we come back withthe same personality- core character..??
I know the chart changes- but I mean on the deepest of levels

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Personally- I want to come back...
It's akin to a great love affair- the kind where times moves slower, grass isgreener, you feel omnipetant' <sp>.... If it ends badly a few years down the roadI would still have rather had the experience than not...
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« Reply #180 - on: 28.10.2007 at 23:19 [UT] »Hi.
I said that I'll start at the very beginning and I will.

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which I ignored. That is the recurrent theme of my life; being given advice by my angels, ignoring that advice,and suffering the consequences as a result.
I was always terrified of my mother. I have the Moon in Aquarius in the 12th house, squaring Saturn in
Scorpio, with Scorpio on the MC, and Mars in Sagittarius in the 10th. My mother was not a normal person, andshe was physically abusive to me. I remember thinking that she was evil when I was only two years old.
Already at the age of 3 I felt fear whenever she came into the room. One way of dealing with fear is to become
obsessive compulsive. That's what OCD is: a not very effective way of dealing with fear, which is how Dr Phil
described it. When you develop OCD, you think that you are managing fear, but in reality it's a form of slavery,
because you become addicted to compulsive patterns of behaviour.
The asked me not to go down that road of developing OCD. It's so long ago, I can't remember what they said
exactly, or how I went down that road to develop OCD, but I remember them telling not to go down that road.

When you feel absolute terror of some-one, and you think that there is a way to manage that terror, it's very
difficult not to do so. I wish that I had taken their advice, because OCD is a terrible thing to have.
I remember this happenig when I was in the house of my mother's best friend Shirley. In those days, youcalled all adults that were close to your family, aunty or uncle, so I called her aunty Shirley. I remember
looking up at these angels when I was in the living room. I can't remember if other people were present or
not. I assume that they were, though what they would have thought of me staring up at the wall is anyone's
guess.
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« Reply #181 - on: 29.10.2007 at 00:13 [UT] »Hi Ariel
Have you read "The Eagle and the Rose" by Rosemary Altea? She is a medium who tells her lifestory and how
she tried to hide her gift until she met some persons who helped her in her spiritual development. She has ahomepage also, you can Google on her name.
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« Reply #182 - on: 29.10.2007 at 00:50 [UT] »Quote from Liliane Hakansson on 29.10.2007 at 00:13 [UT]:
Hi Ariel
Have you read "The Eagle and the Rose" by Rosemary Altea? She is a medium who tells her lifestory and how she tried to hide her gift
until she met some persons who helped her in her spiritual development. She has a homepage also, you can Google on her name.
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Does she write of contact with the other side ? Are there any others you recommend ??
I have read some Sylvia Browne- but much of it is too 'fantastik'
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« Reply #183 - on: 29.10.2007 at 00:51 [UT] »Ariel- I hope this is not off topic
I meet an inordinate number of people with Bk
90% of them have severe problems with or through the mother connection

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LilianeHakansson« Reply #184 - on: 29.10.2007 at 01:20 [UT] »Ex Member

Hi Krista
Silvia Browne is not my favourite. I think mediums are "just human" and some are more developed and maturethan others and some, just like therapists and politicians (or any of us,) may start out OK, but eventually they
end up misusing their power.
That´s why I keep recommending "Spiritual Vampires, the use and misuse of spiritual power" by Marty Raphaelin almost every thread I´m joining. I like Brian Weiss "Many lives, many masters" and Raymond Moody,"Reunions. Visonasy encounters with departed loved ones", there are many more.
Just felt EqE speeding into my life......where were we...No more reincarnations....
I suppose that when we´re ready for that it will "take care of itself" like being moved to the next level/class inschool?
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« Reply #185 - on: 29.10.2007 at 01:24 [UT] »Thanx 'Lil'

I couldn't think of the name of the book I have wanted to read & you came up with it'Many Masters- many lives'
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KristaZolars book of reincarnation was quite good...

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« Reply #186 - on: 29.10.2007 at 01:26 [UT] »Ex Member

And yes absolutely, I met many kB with that problem, my mother f.i. I myself have gBmI though and my
ex had bBnI and we both had problems with our "mothering", so as usual, there are diffrent ways to express
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« Reply #187 - on: 29.10.2007 at 06:48 [UT] »In the Buddhist tradition,
Three emotions entrap the beings in the wheel of birth and rebirth:
Attachment
Aversion
Ignorance.
They can be declined from the best to the worst instincts of the beings:
Attachment can mean love, desire, possession, greed…
Aversion can mean the desire to be freed from negative experiences as well as anger or hatred…
Ignorance is the incapability to understand the reality, it is the first -and the worst- of the three poisons.
Ignorance begets attachment and aversion.
Beings crave for what is pleasant thus developing attachment and run away from what is unpleasant thus
developing aversion.
Attachment, aversion and ignorance all process from the “I” as a separated entity and are going to be the causeof birth and rebirth and hence the cause of immeasurable suffering:
Suffering of birth, of old age, of sickness, of death, of being separated from what one is cherishing, of being
united with one dislikes... Of witnessing the suffering of the cherished ones...
For being freed from further incarnations, one must not long anymore for any earthly pleasure or attachment.
Else one will produce desire which will create new karma which will anchor one in the wheel of birth andrebirth…
When one begins to have the idea of being freed from earthly incarnations, nobody requires that one shouldtake the most difficult path. Lots of different paths do exist..
For instance one decides to make some sports. What does one want and what is one able to do: jogging once aweek, everyday, marathon, Olympic games?
Obviously if one enrolls for the Olympic games, the discipline is going to be rather hard: training and diet.
But if one choses to develop gradually, why should one be miserable and refraining from everything?
Of course, addictions weight even more on the being and thus are not desirable.
Most of the esoteric traditions begin the real teaching after one has reached 40 years old or so.
The passions, the desires are less strong and one has gone through a lot of things at that age which enables
one to become dis-enchanted, freed from the spell of the passions…
To begin before is possible.
Whatever path is taken should be taken gladly, with happiness.
So that perseverance will not be felt as a burden but rather as an everyday, repeated pleasure…
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« Reply #188 - on: 29.10.2007 at 18:42 [UT] »"a path with heart" as they say.

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« Reply #189 - on: 29.10.2007 at 19:49 [UT] »Hi Ariel1,
Your chart is beautiful! In 1968 was it O F J transitting your 8th, you think? Or perhaps it was tMercury
touching your natal I? There were several possibilities...
Thank you for sharing your story. I wonder why we mostly tend not to listen, ignore the signs and act in a selfdestructing manner... Human nature?
I am not smart about life and don't know how things work exactly (just trying to be optimistic, you know),

but from what other people are saying it seems that the material plane of Earth might not be the worst place
to be. I am glad you had a possibility to make a choice. I hope we all have such option.
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« Reply #190 - on: 29.10.2007 at 21:26 [UT] »Alice- Welcome !!!
Wonderful post

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« Reply #191 - on: 29.10.2007 at 21:53 [UT] »alice, i have a question then what's the purpose of life if you have to fight to let go of any earthly pleasure all
your lifetime.... seems like a paradox to me... you deal with people all the time who try to take you off the path
all the time...earth is all about the tempting pleasures...
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« Reply #192 - on: 30.10.2007 at 06:42 [UT] »Hi Alice - you explained it very well, thank you.
A special emphasis is made on the age of 40 in many spiritual traditions. It does not seem to be any special
planet return, does it?
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« Reply #193 - on: 30.10.2007 at 07:18 [UT] »Hinm

Life is paradoxical, one of the big issues is how becoming able to balance and contain the opposites in one own
psyche, without projecting the "unwanted and destructive " ones outside ourselves.
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« Reply #194 - on: 30.10.2007 at 13:58 [UT] »Hello to you all!
Krista, thanks for your welcome.
Sea Goat, I see you are all far better than I could be in astrology.
I reflected upon your question and thought, maybe, that Neptune whose period is 165 years , making a squarearound 40, could influence?
Anyway, this is a nice track to explore: what would make, in astrology, the age of forty or so appropriate toenter esoteric teaching?
Icestorm,
I would say it all would depend on what one wants and of what one is able to do.
Some sportsmen though they could apply for the Olympic games are not interested at all, some other, though
they do not have the capability, dream that they could go, some can and go for it, and of course some persons
have no interest at all in sports…
As long as one finds earthly incarnation is good, there are very little chances that one can be freed from birthand rebirth: one does not even want to be freed from it…
It all depends at the way one looks at it: some individuals witness some suffering and find it unbearable: theywant to do something, then they turn out to be nurse, doctor, help people, become nuns or monks….
Some other do not cross suffering in their path, or do not react so intensely to it…
On the other hand, of course, pleasure is… pleasurable!
But this also all depends on the point of view: what pleasure are we talking about, getting drunk in bars, big
eatings, flirt, writing poetry, playing music, “Cha Dao” (tea ceremony), calligraphy, meditation, playing withenergy, curing people??
Can everyone understand and appreciate the same pleasures?
Whatever the path chosen, it should not induce suffering, on the contrary it should give happiness.
If one sacrifices everything and does not get anything in return but suffering, obviously it does not seem very
comfortable.
The sportsman who enrolls for the Olympics has to give up a lot of things end endure a hard and intense
training BUT
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he is willing to do it,
he derives pleasure from it.

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« Reply #195 - on: 30.10.2007 at 15:42 [UT] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 30.10.2007 at 06:42 [UT]:...
A special emphasis is made on the age of 40 in many spiritual traditions. It does not seem to be any special planet return, does it?
SG

Uranus opposition transit maybe?
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« Reply #196 - on: 30.10.2007 at 15:52 [UT] »after all major gas giant make their squares as well as JoJ you are suppposed to know it all... the last one
must be quite a teacher....
what is the good incarnation? i wonder how many people reach their incarnation goals indicated in their charts?
while i was in sri lanka local people would tell me that they feel sorry for the western civilization that is so
focused on the material that would be impossible to overcome compared to the values of their civilization...
from the western perpective their lives are pretty hard without many basics that our civilization provides... and ihave a weak spot for quite a few things that this civilization offers myself...but i must say that they had somepoint....
perhaps we don't need to free ourselves from earth completely
our charts tell us only about tendencies anddirections in this lifetime and perhaps what we brought with us but not the ultimate direction.. the saying is thejourney is more important than the destination...but i guess it should be mind the destination while enjoying
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Quote from SeaGoat72 on 30.10.2007 at 06:42 [UT]:...
A special emphasis is made on the age of 40 in many spiritual traditions. It does not seem to be any special planet return,
does it?
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Uranus opposition transit maybe?

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« Reply #199 - on: 31.10.2007 at 08:40 [UT] »40 is just before one and a half progressed moon cycles,,,close to the T. On Natal O time alreadymentioned,,with G return + 1/2 a little further on~),,,
plus as high as we can count on all our fingers and all our toes using both dorsal and ventral sides~)*plus 40 was the life expectancy of a twenty year old american white male in 1850;
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« Reply #200 - on: 31.10.2007 at 09:16 [UT] »Ex MemberHi
I think Barbara Hand Clow describes the dilemma with the individual agreeing to "suffer through a series ofsituations which induce a large amount of pain" ...One typically experiences the desire to leave the plane ofexistence, in this case the planet Earth. Sedgewick also has found that excessive Twelfth House activity
accompanies high suicide probability"
p 29 in "Chiron Rainbow Bridge Between the Inner & Outer Planets".
I´ve myself got 12.th house EmG waining o 3.rd houseiN reflecting that tendecy in my life. Those who don´tconsider N important, (most men in my exp perhaps due to fear of showing their wounds and vulnerability
that I can much identify with) would perhaps say it´s a reflection of my hAmCoJ which can symbolize a"need for hasty transformation" (Jeff Green, Pluto, the Evolutionary Evolution of the Soul). I would say thatsince the discovery of Nin 1977 looking at some extremely traumatic events in my life where Nplay one of themain characters I would recommend everyone involved in this thread to read this book of Barbara Hand.
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« Reply #201 - on: 31.10.2007 at 09:40 [UT] »hi Liliane~!),,,i read that book!
i resisted using N for maybe ten years or so. like ed fallis observed early on in this forum, isn't it amazing how
many bright new 'discoveries' have become accepted canon in recent decades!
but i realized hN was the only thing that gave my chart "edge". otherwise i'm just an easy sextile of stellia,
e to g.
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hNm vertex (there's another one ed) feels like my incarnation purpose,,like Wart in the arthurian
legend,,,training to rise up through humble circumstances,,,and if the humble cicumstances aren't there, bygolly i create 'em ~!
prenatal solar eclipse m antivertex lends a further sense of my persoanl struggles being incarnationallyintentional~)
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Hakansson« Reply #202 - on: 31.10.2007 at 10:47 [UT] »Ex Memberbehobo.....quantumsynchronicities again; After posting about suicidal tendencies, just listened to areadioprogram about "Lex Mary". 4 people in 1936 died in a hospital in Stockholm from someone having mixed
up anasthetic and something containing mercury, hence the law that these kind of incidents should be reported.
Vertex, just recently started to take interest in that point, could you develop it further in connection with this
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« Reply #203 - on: 31.10.2007 at 11:48 [UT] »Behobo, when you say, "...training to rise up through humble circumstances,,,and if the humble cicumstances
aren't there, by golly i create 'em ~! " ,a good recogizable laugh this morning.

Where's the drama without some huge challenge to overcome, right?
pull off because "we believe".

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struggle to overcome in that scenario ? In that case, we might as well put it on remote and phone it in.
My Mars/Pluto in the First House wants to scope out some window of opportunity up ahead and then rev up all
my intense focus into achieving it. My 11th-12th Gemini stellium square Neptune on the IC needing to have aromantic dream to imagine and thrill to music to.
and saying "Why Not ?' "That old notion of ...."dreaming of things that never were,This is why the title of this thread makes me rise up and shout NO. No more earthly incarnations? A
Christmas without Santa Claus ? No, Virginia, as long as a child still breathes and wishes on a Star, we will
have more growing to do ahead, more challenges to overcome, and this little spiral of moon phases we have
evolved to at this point will show us that we are still just The Ancients, and just as stupid as our ancestors
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Hi spiral
Just Gogled on vertex, some saying it has to do with your work, others with letting love into your life, others
still refer to a "turning, spiral" point in one´s life that has to do with karma/no free will.......
Vertex in l as I have, designs a strong tendency for everlasting longing
I´m also forever longing for Santa
Claus to give his gift in This Life, so how could I long for the afterlife before that
Perhaps Gis my Santa
He is visiting me in my 12.th. I love being connected up to the other side by a medium once in a while...
Some say that the connection through astrology and other divinatory techniques should be a more maturestate of development since it requires more independence...
Why does one thing has to exclude the other? gBmI?
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« Reply #205 - on: 31.10.2007 at 12:20 [UT] »behobo
One of the sights i Googled on talked about the symbolism of vertex in context with a "garden" and a godess
resisting the love from a god. Thought about you wife, tending 6 gardens and you helping her. Do you havevertexconnections in you charts?
And with "The humbling experience" I can truly identify. Pehaps reflected in my Vertex MP my 12.thhousefEmG?
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« Reply #206 - on: 31.10.2007 at 12:23 [UT] »Ex Member...well, she didn´t resist him finally of course, when he revealed himself from all his disguises she thought she
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« Reply #207 - on: 31.10.2007 at 12:33 [UT] »behoboHave you read the sabian for your incarnationpurpose NmVertex?
"A wise old parrot has closely been listening to the conversation and now he begins to speak"
Gosh! That´s exactly how I experience your way of communicating.
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« Reply #208 - on: 31.10.2007 at 16:34 [UT] »Ex Member

Hi again....perhaps the thread is spiriling away from the original question, but I just wanted to add that vertex is also
seen as "The ascendant of the Soul"
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« Reply #209 - on: 31.10.2007 at 17:03 [UT] »hi Liliane~)* esoteric astrology regards the ascendant degree as the key to what we can offer the universe as
our unique gift (with apologies to Mermaid over in the Other Branches-"esoteric astrology" thread).
then there was the schulman book about the moon's nodes and karma~ that really caught on~!
i'm not claiming vertexpoints to reincarnation issus per se,,,,just that it feels that way in my own chart because
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i gather jeffry wolf green looks at JG placements to think about karma too~))
as a sleight-of-hand divinationist i think everything, including what time your alarm clock goes off, is asign,,,,though i'm not recommending this for home use~!)*`1
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« Reply #210 - on: 31.10.2007 at 17:13 [UT] »Have you ever Seen this movie called "Jacob's ladder"? its sort of a (Weird movie) movie about a Mans journey
through the underworld. Very much in the theme of this thread. At the same time the original poster dreamedup this thread , I was on my blog, putting new music on it. I really did something wierd. I decided to use someof the music from that soundtrack ( Jacob's ladder"). The main bits from that soundtrack is hauntingly
beautiful, a simple melody on the piano, by Maurice jarre.
Theres not alot of it though on the album, its a small bit of Earth for that soundtrack, alot of that album is
atmospheric stuff, though I learn to appreciate it more. The wierd thing I did was to remix the music alittle toinclude more of the ( earth) piano bits. I have since taken it off my blog (Depressing), but I might put it backon.
That movie is very appros for this thread. Life is a series of Bardo states, but is there anything more? How do
we escape the negative bardo's that were in? Is any of this stuff really real?
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« Reply #211 - on: 31.10.2007 at 19:10 [UT] »Hi GBOnce read somewhere that Jacobs ladder is a symbol for the kundaliniforce spiriling up one´s spine leading toenlightenment. Just used the word "spiriling away" in my last post, noticing afterwords that Google justchanged their picture to a spiralstarcase. Well who knows when we find our "Stairway to heaven"?
Must walk my dog...or the reverse
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« Reply #212 - on: 31.10.2007 at 20:38 [UT] »lilianne, when you quoted hand's book ...One typically experiences the desire to leave the plane of existence, inthis case the planet Earth. i wonder under what circumstances? hard aspects to N in the natal or just transits?
what is the purpose of the chiron according to barbra hand? does it have karmic meaning? what is the meaningof the Na11th housemCnOqG?
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« Reply #213 - on: 31.10.2007 at 20:54 [UT] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 12.10.2007 at 06:57 [UT+1]:
Quote from Micha on 11.10.2007 at 21:02 [UT+1]:
Hi SeaGoat!

jA b ASC & aB here. Yes, nearing 39 I do find that the only real temptation to last is chocolate. It's true

about high sex drive during reproductive years. However mine didn't really kick in until I got divorced...around the age of
25. I wasn't interested in alcohol before that age either. After becoming single I finally decided to hit the club scene andfound that I really enjoyed margaritas, long island ice-teas and sex! At age 28 I had quite an attraction to younger men
and started seeing someone 9 yrs younger. Of course this could have been due to being in the military surrounded by really
young guys. Most of the ones my age were married so I had fun with the boys instead.

So now I'm married andunfortunately the sex has decreased. Why does that happen to married couples so frequently??? I wonder if I were single
right now would it be a different story? Or maybe I'd be in training to become a buddhist nun!
I feel like a vegetarian sometimes as my husband doesn't eat meat. And on the rare occasion that I order meat in a
restaurant I definitely notice a difference. I seem to get some crazy energy....especially with bacon! For some reason it
makes me a bit hyper. And smoking? That's not my idea of pleasure. YUCK!
-MichaSex and chocolate, eh? Sometimes these are used interchangeably, but people could not be more wrong! Two distinct pleasures, aren't
they (love them both). Chocolate is food. Sex is divine, it is mystifying, and needs the engagement of one's very soul...
Marital sex is different from single sex, agree... Apart from the daily concerns, stress at work, etc. etc. married couples live with theirown "inner partners", "projections", etc. Therefore there are always power struggles (even if we don't realize it), intense emotional play inthe midst of love and companionship. Did you notice that when you are happy with your life, your partner will be happy too? For really
good sex people need to lose their defences, and also be comfortable with themSelves.
As Liliane implied, sex is somewhere in the "thalamus", some chamber in the brain that we need to enter, and open the door for thepartner... And who knows, maybe this is one of the lessons for our earthy incarnations. Most lessons are emotional here, most problems spiritual...
SG

Reflections upon "opening the brain chamber" ... thankyou my j friend.
Avid Choco Holic and Cat a Holic too ...(inside joke for Liliane)
Is this a Midsummer Knight's DCream? Now thaaat's naught _I_lus T I eye on eJ Unique/Horned fC
uproarIus e Humour
E scaping my virgin lips? Moi?
Best d sex I had was in my late 30's early 40's ~ the real climax ~ firmly decided upon with a consequently
firm intent ~ was the Long Hot Summer just before my 50TH B.D. with Florida Fires LITTERally raging
around me ~ (bigger than CA they say) .... and it just so happened that my '30 something' young blonde loverand I were attracted to each other at first sight upon the ~~water ~ ~ in a friend's sail boat. wow was he
CuuuTE
we could not wait to make contact, and when he touched my hand there was a litteral electric pulse
between us. I had never experienced such before, and I asked him in amazement, if he felt it too. He had themost beeeautiful ingenuous
smile with gentlly blonde curls like a halo around his face. Cowboy hat to boot.
Tight Jeans. hmmm his calm knowing
admitted that he had felt it before ...

i blue eyed smile waatever had me in his SPELL

and heI had been warned many years previously about the Fla Fires so I left for a while, headed for cooler climes tolick old and fresh wounds ~ Have been betrayed by many (but NOT ALL) men in my life.
and upon myreturn (to commit myself to my then future husband to whom I have always been a faithful f) I had my lastfond meeting with my I ik lover and left a part of myself behind with him in a very positive senseIknew beyond doubt that I could not possibly experience any more exquisite pleasure with another's carnal self
than that ~ nor did I further wish to tread that path ~ f virtuosity.

My b spouse and I share an soul mate relationship ~ I understand this according to our birthdates by
numerology. He provides my material needs while I work "behind the scenes"...smile. (there is a good balanceof "meeting each other's needs". We survive the lack of sensuality between us and I am very kind to him when
he needs me.

EgD swings off track within each of us at times & between us too ~ but our great gift to each other ismutual trust which allows us to give the other total space and freedom ... thus EC survive the battle of theconstant D drum
BUT ... do not expect that what I live is Perfection ... smile.

e eating C
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behoboMember« Reply #214 - on: 31.10.2007 at 21:15 [UT] »DavidGB,,,havn't seen the jacob's ladder movie but enjoyed your reflections on" Code:Life is a series of Bardo states, but is there anything more?
that we're in? Is any of this stuff really real?

How do we escape the negative bardos"
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as a third house CJAG i've encountered that big bardo comic book we're always part of a few times~!)
about age eight we had a scary basement and i usd to practice going down there with the lights off,,gradually
expanding my comfort zone,,, there were vivid pictures in the darkness,,like the tibetan bardo paintings~)
to be honest,,if reincarnation is true,,we are in a sense dead people dreaming~! a somewhat creepy thought forhalloween evening,,,but not that bad once you get used to it~!)i like the talkabout vacuum genesis in physics....existence is decayed symetry,,makes sense to me...

all the vectors DO add up to zero,,but not to worry as it's the null set that is particularly verdant~)
after all,,,all this has come from that~!
so how can non-attachment lead to compassion?
what's to prevent it~!?)Nh
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« Reply #215 - on: 31.10.2007 at 21:16 [UT] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 12.10.2007 at 22:12 [UT+1]:
It is interesting to observe that many people consider themselves ready to not reincarnate again,
and yet they hope that Christ or other god-like perfected being will come to Earth again. "To beborn amidst blood, excrement and waters..." or made of clay?
spirituality actually begins - with the God incarnate.

Isn't it the moment when

It is also amusing to think that if we finally "get off the karmic wheel" and go live somewhere else - Uranus maybe - will we miss Earth?
Or maybe with the aid of Uranian astrology we, the beings of fine haze, will be trying to guess where we spent our past lives. In thehuman body?! wow...
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« Reply #216 - on: 31.10.2007 at 21:30 [UT] »Hmn, I thought the deal was you get to the point where you don't have to come back, but you do anyway so
you can help out. Because you know then that noone's enlightened until everyone is.
Too much Mahayana, I guess.
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« Reply #217 - on: 31.10.2007 at 21:44 [UT] »"Hicestorm"
In this case she was referring to o transits from N in connection with "heling crises" in her own life like "either
discover the most profound essence in her being, or die. She means that extreme responses to Ntr only occur
when Nis prominent in the chart. She has NmNNin the 12.th house nkA. It´s alot to read about
Nplancment but I´ll look it up.
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« Reply #218 - on: 31.10.2007 at 21:56 [UT] »It's all tongue twisting ed. What you believe is what gets you through this incarnate journey. I'm struggling
with concepts just like every other thinking individual here, all the time. I sway back and forth between
esoteria and living hereia ... just liked the rhyme the words mean whatever we want them to?
MyriosOh BTW let me spell it out in case I did'nt make my own option clear ~ I ain't NEVER coming back here~
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« Reply #219 - on: 31.10.2007 at 22:02 [UT] »Hi icestorm

Jtaught that we will never know our divinity until we also look at our shadow.
The purpose of N is to find the gateway to the least resolved and deepest fears lurking within each one of us.
N balances the right and left brain. Nis "The wounded healer" and a lot more.
In what sign is your N? Important
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« Reply #220 - on: 31.10.2007 at 22:11 [UT] »Ex Member

Hi behobo.....perhaps it´s the Jnic grip that has to be loosened...never understood the term "non-attachment"
either...gives an alienated feeling.......
......but perhaps it´s a misinterpretation just like the way we understand "emptiness" and "nothingness" as coldand void of meaning, while the first means the state before physical/thought manifestation and the other "nothing", the quantumstate before manifestation where all possibilities lie.....
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« Reply #221 - on: 31.10.2007 at 22:43 [UT] »my chiron is in amC in the 11th house...nOqG.. no squares... i do like to wonder about this topic .. in theend i started it here

thank you lilianne...

behobo,can you elaborate more about " about vacuum genesis in physics....existence is decayed symetry,,makes sense
to me... what's your theory on it? "that's what my mind came back to recently genesis of vacuum... andanother reason to contemplate earthly incarnations...
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« Reply #222 - on: 31.10.2007 at 22:49 [UT] »perhaps it´s the nic grip that has to be loosened...never understood the term "non-attachment" either...gives
an alienated feeling.......
......but perhaps it´s a misinterpretation just like the way we understand "emptiness" and "nothingness" as coldand void of meaning, while the first means the state before physical/thought manifestation and the other "nothing", the quantumstate before manifestation where all possibilities lie.....
what humans dont understand they give names... like dark energy...emptiness... well it's dark because they
dont' know much about it... sound like a label from the medieval ages but no it's from the astrophycists of the
21st century...
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« Reply #223 - on: 31.10.2007 at 22:59 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 29.10.2007 at 00:50 [UT]:
Quote from Liliane Hakansson on 29.10.2007 at 00:13 [UT]:
Hi Ariel
Have you read "The Eagle and the Rose" by Rosemary Altea? She is a medium who tells her lifestory and how she tried tohide her gift until she met some persons who helped her in her spiritual development. She has a homepage also, you can
Google on her name.
Liliane

Does she write of contact with the other side ? Are there any others you recommend ??
I have read some Sylvia Browne- but much of it is too 'fantastik'

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KristaKrista,I agree, Sylvia Browne's books do contain some far out stuff. I think the jury is still out on her and John
Edwards. One psychic I do like though is Mia Dolan. I find her explanations of the spirit world morereasonable. Her first book entitled "I Know Why We're Here" is quite good.
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« Reply #224 - on: 31.10.2007 at 23:04 [UT] »Quote from behobo on 31.10.2007 at 21:15 [UT]:

to be honest,,if reincarnation is true,,we are in a sense dead people dreaming~! a somewhat creepy thought for halloween evening,,,but
not that bad once you get used to it~!)If this is the case, someone please wake me up!!! I'll pass on future incarnations and opt to be a spirit guidefor someone instead.

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« Reply #225 - on: 01.11.2007 at 14:53 [UT] »Hicestorm
Short Nreport: WhenNis in Aries, the search for identity predominates. Who am I? Why am I here? What dothey all want of me? N´s natural form as a warrior initiate is very attuned to E
and causes (I prefer "reflects") quick action to breakthrough G barriers and act idealistically with O according
Barbara Hand.
Since your N is mCnO this should be extremely obvious in your life. E and Dbalancing is also an issue here.
Must stop here...C is slooooow, forgot the houseposition...
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LilianeHakansson« Reply #226 - on: 01.11.2007 at 15:37 [UT] »Ex Memberhi again

N in the 11.th signals a crisis over the possibility of playing a unique role. We live in a culture when mediainduced fame is the key to personal value. What if one simply loves being a gardener when menial work isreviled? We need to give our creative gift and here N is a sign of crisis over creativity and idealism. The key toresolution of N in the 11.th is to counsel detachment and letting go. Astrologers f.i. are meant to be masterteachers of enhancement of free will, and knowing one`s chart is the opportunity to open blocking energies andbring through the gift of self, the Sun self.

NmC balances rignt and left brain perceptual skill and quickens the deeper levels of the mind and thisindividual can become an adept at communicating skills, being both precise and intuitive.
The NCcon reflects a superlative ability to percieve exactly what is going on in any situation and tounderstand how people are thinking in relation to the situation. Barbara gives f the rulership of N.

NmCnO is an asp. of ferocious intensity which either burns the native out or pushes to great transmutative
levels. Beware of drugs! But...................
.........the q to G is a powerful and stabilizing factor. Without the opposition to O you could risk having too
much leftbrainidentification and too little intuition, but

N in a and them to C balances this very well.

This interpretation was built on Barbara Hands definitions but with my "blending" of it. She says in the
introduction that 50 years from now perhaps we will be laughing at some of the interpretations, but one has tobegin somewhere.
So no strong indication of longing for "the other side" with your Nplacement (except for the drugwarning that
could be a longing to escape) until it´s time anyway
I think her work resonates wery well with what I experience fom my

fEmG in the 12.th o iN in the 3.rd "Sacred warriorsymbolism"
and I also have EqE today, very appropriate interpreting an aN!
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« Reply #227 - on: 01.11.2007 at 17:48 [UT] »I guess I still have to experience major transits (thanks Ed and SSML for pointing them out) and for the
moment all that fixed and cardinal earth in my chart keeps me firmly on this ground also with NmE in 12th
nO. I feel there is so much work for me to do on this plane (especially in terms of relaitonships) that personaltranscendence seems like an easy way out.
Quote:
Quote from Ed: Hmn, I thought the deal was you get to the point where you don't have to come back, but you do anyway so you canhelp out. Because you know then that noone's enlightened until everyone is.

Either way it seems that incarnation is a valuable spiritual experience despite the dense material plane. One
comes back anyway - either because the "deal" was not finished or because one is compelled to return as asavior. Why not sort it out now while we are here? Sorry, this is a question to myself.
Icestorm is right making an assumption that our attitude to reincarnation and coming back could be deeply
ingrained in our astrological make-up. We experience spirituality differently, have different goals and because ofthat live in different realities. The important thing is that we share the deep trust in life.
Myrios - that was a wonderful earthy love story - me b likes... Blond curls in tight jeans awww
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« Reply #228 - on: 01.11.2007 at 19:12 [UT] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 01.11.2007 at 17:48 [UT]:
I guess I still have to experience major transits (thanks Ed and SSML for pointing them out) and for the moment all that fixed andcardinal earth in my chart keeps me firmly on this ground also with

NmE in 12th nO. I feel there is somuch work for me to do on this plane (especially in terms of relaitonships) that personaltranscendence seems like an easy way out.
Quote:
Quote from Ed: Hmn, I thought the deal was you get to the point where you don't have to come back, but you doanyway so you can help out. Because you know then that noone's enlightened until everyone is.

Either way it seems that incarnation is a valuable spiritual experience despite the dense material plane. One comes backanyway - either because the "deal" was not finished or because one is compelled to return as asavior. Why not sort it out now while we are here? Sorry, this is a question to myself.
Icestorm is right making an assumption that our attitude to reincarnation and coming back could be deeply ingrained in
our astrological make-up. We experience spirituality differently, have different goals and because of that live in different

realities. The important thing is that we share the deep trust in life.
Myrios - that was a wonderful earthy love story - meb likes... Blond curls in tight jeans awww

SG

SG ~ thankyou for appreciating the lovestory (I'm sure it will go forward with me in my genes).
About coming back "as a saviour" ~ Nothing here on Earth has changed much ~ the "saviour" types are still
crucified ON THE CROSS with great delight and regularity by their "unknowing" brethren.
Ed ~ I diligently cling to the B*leaf that I am the Hundredth Enlightened Monkey ~ so that soon the
military industrial complex which runs world affairs is bound to "get it" too ~Upon the feeling of "non-attachment" or "emptiness" ~ yes it is all in how you personally interpret that word.
To be "empty" is actually a very fine place to observe everything from ~ more a place where you are free fromthe "endless round" of longings and inhibitions, sitting quiet within your own unencumbered mind, where only
silence sits, instead of the usual chattering monkey.
Liliane I don't know how you can abide listening to RADIO chatter ~ it would drive me quite litterally mad.
I opt for a very silent life. Paul Simon seems to have reached these conclusions. It comes with mature
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« Reply #229 - on: 01.11.2007 at 19:55 [UT] »Hi myrios!
Where did I say that I listen to radiochatter? I listen to the radio but choose (most of the time) the programs I´m interested in. Blame it on my chart
Soooo much C and cMC. I will heed your message though andstart rehearsing, have not been singing or touched my gutiar for 2 months, had an overdose from mycooperation with a very "disbelieving" but talented female violinplayer. Must prepare for the Meditation of the
5.th night of the Underworld, where a woman will tell the story of "Balder" a Nordic myth with muchressemlance with Chiron and Christ and also Quetzalcoatl in some respect, though the latter is more "realisticand human" now doing his humbling redemptiontour during the Dpassage after having raised to power andmisused it in all ways.
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« Reply #230 - on: 01.11.2007 at 20:25 [UT] »Quote from Myrios on 01.11.2007 at 19:12 [UT]:...
Upon the feeling of "non-attachment" or "emptiness" ~ yes it is all in how you personally interpret that word. To be "empty" is actually avery fine place to observe everything from ~ more a place where you are free from the "endless round" of longings and inhibitions, sitting
quiet within your own unencumbered mind, where only silence sits, instead of the usual chattering monkey...

Not me. To me, "empty" is letting the monkey run around and have fun, but just not following it aroundeverywhere. But what do I know?
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« Reply #231 - on: 02.11.2007 at 01:38 [UT] »Quote from Liliane Hakansson on 29.10.2007 at 00:13 [UT]:
Hi Ariel
Have you read "The Eagle and the Rose" by Rosemary Altea? She is a medium who tells her lifestory and how she tried to hide her gift
until she met some persons who helped her in her spiritual development. She has a homepage also, you can Google on her name.

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« Reply #232 - on: 02.11.2007 at 01:41 [UT] »Quote from SeaGoat72 on 29.10.2007 at 19:49 [UT]:
Hi Ariel1,
Your chart is beautiful! In 1968 was it

O F J transitting your 8th, you think? Or perhaps it was tMercury touching your natal I? There

were several possibilities...

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Gender:Thank you for sharing your story. I wonder why we mostly tend not to listen, ignore the signs and act in a self-destructing manner...
Human nature?
I am not smart about life and don't know how things work exactly (just trying to be optimistic, you know), but from what otherpeople are saying it seems that the material plane of Earth might not be the worst place to be. I am glad you had a possibility to make achoice. I hope we all have such option.
Thank you very much SeaGoat
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« Reply #233 - on: 02.11.2007 at 19:55 [UT] »Quote from Liliane Hakansson on 01.11.2007 at 19:55 [UT]:
Hi myrios!
Where did I say that I listen to radiochatter? I listen to the radio but choose (most of the time) the programs I´m interested in.
Blame it on my chart

Soooo much

C and cMC. I will heed your message though and start rehearsing, have not been singing or

touched my gutiar for 2 months, had an overdose from my cooperation with a very "disbelieving" but talented female violinplayer. Must
prepare for the Meditation of the 5.th night of the Underworld, where a woman will tell the story of "Balder" a Nordic myth with muchressemlance with Chiron and Christ and also Quetzalcoatl in some respect, though the latter is more "realistic and human" now doing his
humbling redemptiontour during theDpassage after having raised to power and misused it in all ways.

If you listen well, the universe will whisper messages to you all the time, even through the radio(until you put it off)
Liliane

Liliane ~ I agree that messages do come in any way-ve shape or form ~ I see that you are receiving much fromthe universe at this time ~ however there is very little musical broadcasting this side of the ocean which is notconstantly interrupted with CHATTER trying to SELL something. I can't think or read while attempting tolisten ... and I don't like the idea that I am being programmed with material I don't want in my head to begin
with.
Ed ~ I also agree with 'letting the monkeys run around in your head' too ...paradoxical ain't it?
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« Reply #234 - on: 02.11.2007 at 20:12 [UT] »Quote from Myrios on 02.11.2007 at 19:55 [UT]:...
Ed ~ I also agree with 'letting the monkeys run around in your head' too ...paradoxical ain't it?
MyriosThat's why they invented koans
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« Reply #235 - on: 02.11.2007 at 22:00 [UT] »Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 04:57 [UT+1]:
there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in the chart indicates that you dont have to reincarnate
anymore and ready to move on the transcendental? planets in the 12th house? aspects, stelliums???

no offense to the eleven other signs, but don't you have to be a pisces the last life?
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« Reply #236 - on: 02.11.2007 at 22:30 [UT] »i don't know about l if we'll take b 9Gautama) then you have to be a b to be ready to leave this plane ofexistence...i am ABDb

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« Reply #237 - on: 02.11.2007 at 22:40 [UT] »Quote from icestorm on 02.11.2007 at 22:30 [UT]:
i don't know about

darn!

l if we'll take b 9Gautama) then you have to be a b to be ready to leave this plane of existence...i am ABDb~~> fake cry

I don't have any planets in taurus!
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« Reply #238 - on: 02.11.2007 at 22:47 [UT] »at my getting older age
i rarely get offended people are people take themselves too seriously, overly
estimate their significance, got hurt by something/someone else and bring it into a discussion, grumpy forwhatever reason, don't get your comments or jokes...some are fine.... as long as noone get hurt and learn i am
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« Reply #239 - on: 03.11.2007 at 01:07 [UT] »Quote from Liliane Hakansson on 31.10.2007 at 19:10 [UT]:
Hi GBOnce read somewhere that Jacobs ladder is a symbol for the kundaliniforce spiriling up one´s spine leading to enlightenment. Just used
the word "spiriling away" in my last post, noticing afterwords that Google just changed their picture to a spiralstarcase. Well who knows
when we find our "Stairway to heaven"?
Must walk my dog...or the reverse
LilianeI hope I'm not being obtuse, here, but Jacob's Ladder is a reference to a Biblical story of Jacob building aladder to reach all the way to Heaven. It didn't work, of course..."Jacob's Ladder" is NOT a symbol of kundalini,but might be used to parallel. "Jacob's Ladder" is a symbol of exactly what Alishaya provided in her quote fromEinstein about the pursuit and obtainment of Truth and Knowledge.
Personally, I think that time is spherical: a sphere of many many intertwining lines. I remember the first time I
actually felt a kind of epiphany about this a few years after reading "Garden of Forking Paths" by Jorge Luis
Borges. Imagine a 3D maze of pathways, spherical, connected from top to bottom, side to side, round andround. All possible lives of all people are located in that garden, all moving along the individual paths toward
some other point, free-willing their way to the end destination, yet at the same time moving toward acompletion not of their choosing. I do believe time can be BOTH linear and cyclical. Can a spiral not also be aline? Doesn't a line of DNA have both a beginning and an end? Just my Pisces-stellium mind putting it all
together for the big picture. I wholly believe we are all one, but I don't believe we'll be forever stuck here until
we all evolve past incarnations. I don't believe the earth is eternal. While this is really hard to explain, I'll simply
say that my Gemini 3rd house cusp was satisfied with a Baptist upbringing, yet it's only the eyepiece of mylooking glass, the initial part through which the wider view is filtered. I'm thinking that all souls' unfulfilledkarma will be healed, curiosity satisfied, doubts eased, should souls be called "home from play" sooner than anyof us had planned.
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« Reply #240 - on: 03.11.2007 at 01:13 [UT] »Quote from sea goddess on 02.11.2007 at 22:40 [UT]:
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i don't know about
aml if we'll take b 9Gautama) then you have to be a b to be ready to leave this plane of existence...i

ABDb

darn!

~~> fake cry

I don't have any planets in taurus!
I have venus in aires! does that count for anything?!?

glad you weren't offended by my strange sense of humor.

lHmm, Taureans tend to be tied too much to earth to be ready to leave it...seems like the ascendant reallyshows soul evolution, and I've seen this from a few astrologers as well. Many of them hint that once sunlessons are completed, souls even return to the "comfort" of using their ascendant sign energy again until endof life. Something to seriously think about in terms of its importance in terms of soul growth and life path. I
think it's key--as well as points related/created from Ascendant--to discovering incarnation secrets.
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« Reply #241 - on: 03.11.2007 at 02:29 [UT] »so what ASC indicated the most developed soul? l?

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« Reply #242 - on: 03.11.2007 at 08:11 [UT] »Ex Memberhi firewaterexcuse my sloppy associating, I did NOT mean that Jacobs ladder was a symbol for the kundalini in the
Biblestory...but just as ju noted could be a parallell, rising to a higher level of consciousness/heaven...
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« Reply #243 - on: 03.11.2007 at 13:16 [UT] »I think I know the cause of my discontent and sadness; I don't belong here anymore. And this planet agrees
with me. It no longer needs me. It no longer sees me. What do I do now? And how do I get to the world I've
been dreaming about the past five or so years? You know what this feels like, a snow day. No, no, no-it feels
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I'm so used to being at school this time of day, I don't know what to do with myself. I feel out of place, in myown neighborhood, waiting for my peers to get off the bus.
I want to make it clear that I am not depressed or suffering from nervous exhaustion. I don't have suicidal
thoughts of any kind. I feel... abandoned. And my dreams; I don't realize how lonely I am until I have one ofthose dreams. Sometimes I walk the streets of familiar neighborhoods I used to live, but I have a strange
feeling I am not on the planet I have called home for the last 34 years. I like these dreams, because I wake up
feeling a sense of peaceful belonging.
It's the other ones I can't bear. I am convinced the worst sensation to experience on this planet is lonelinessthat has reached a desperate state. Where is every one? I wonder the streets looking for a familiar faceanyone, I just need someone to talk to and be listened to. Inside, I try to dial the numbers of friends I went tohigh school with, only, one by one, their numbers erase themselves from my memory.
How can I feel so liberated, lonely, fulfilled, scared, and desperate simultaneously? And stuck, don't forgetstuck. I search and wander extensively, for what, I don't know. I can't say I feel like a ghost, or don't havecontact with the public and people I care about. But I don't feel all there. Not a feeling of disassociation or that
I don't matter or exist. And I hate to admit this, but there are times (becoming more frequent) when mymemory acts as though it’s getting ready pack it’s bags and move out! And let me tell you, with Merc/Scorp
trining Moon/Cancer, I was the proud owner of a memory to be proud of.
Wow-amazing what the mind hides from us isn't it? This all hit me minutes after the most fantastic image
flashed in my head. You see, I began wondering about the next level of spiritual awareness this planet will
vibrate to. And then, there they were, welcoming me with open arms and kind eyes. For just a few seconds I
had made it home, only it was my new home that I knew I earned. It brings tears to my eyes.
Just before the image, I was struck by a powerful realization that the [next level] occurred on the next earth.
And I wondered if there was a way to get there as I am, not as an infant. If this were attainable, what were thesteps, how were these folks chosen, and the population statistics. And suddenly the vision was there. This was
not heaven. There were flesh and blood people, living on an earth that happened to vibrate to a higher
frequency where its inhabitants were wiser and happier. I can only assume they lived in healthier bodies as well.
I'm also speculating if this was the place I dreamed about that gave me a sense of belonging?
And from this vision came the freedom of liberation. This is not individual liberation for I haven't even begun
basic training (The Three Practices).
When I saw these people extend their arms, I instantly fell in them, and the vision abruptly vanished the way it
appeared. And this is when all these buried emotions rose up and said "Here I am-don't forget me!"Now that the trapped emotions have had a flashlight shown on them; I guess all I can do is carry on with myBodhisattva objectives. I firmly believe I had a brief glimpse of truth this morning, and I'm not about topretend it didn't happen, so I can bury them again, causing more pain. That would be absurd, since it goesagainst what Buddha taught about identifying the scope of one's suffering.

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« Reply #244 - on: 03.11.2007 at 15:10 [UT] »Quote from libra33 on 03.11.2007 at 13:16 [UT]:
I think I know the cause of my discontent and sadness; I don't belong here anymore. And this planet agrees with me. It no longer needs
me. It no longer sees me. What do I do now? And how do I get to the world I've been dreaming about the past five or so years? You knowwhat this feels like, a snow day. No, no, no-it feels like when I'd be kept home from school for a doctor's appointment, scheduled in thelate morning. Once the appointment has ended, there's no point to being driven to school, only to be collected an hour 1/2 from now. I'm
so used to being at school this time of day, I don't know what to do with myself. I feel out of place, in my own neighborhood, waiting formy peers to get off the bus.
I want to make it clear that I am not depressed or suffering from nervous exhaustion. I don't have suicidal thoughts of any kind. I feel...
abandoned. And my dreams; I don't realize how lonely I am until I have one of those dreams. Sometimes I walk the streets of familiar
neighborhoods I used to live, but I have a strange feeling I am not on the planet I have called home for the last 34 years. I like these

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It's the other ones I can't bear. I am convinced the worst sensation to experience on this planet is loneliness that has reached a desperatestate. Where is every one? I wonder the streets looking for a familiar face- anyone, I just need someone to talk to and be listened to.
Inside, I try to dial the numbers of friends I went to high school with, only, one by one, their numbers erase themselves from mymemory.
How can I feel so liberated, lonely, fulfilled, scared, and desperate simultaneously? And stuck, don't forget stuck. I search and wander
extensively, for what, I don't know. I can't say I feel like a ghost, or don't have contact with the public and people I care about. But I
don't feel all there. Not a feeling of disassociation or that I don't matter or exist. And I hate to admit this, but there are times (becoming
more frequent) when my memory acts as though it’s getting ready pack it’s bags and move out! And let me tell you, with Merc/Scorp
trining Moon/Cancer, I was the proud owner of a memory to be proud of.
Wow-amazing what the mind hides from us isn't it? This all hit me minutes after the most fantastic image flashed in my head. You see, I
began wondering about the next level of spiritual awareness this planet will vibrate to. And then, there they were, welcoming me with
open arms and kind eyes. For just a few seconds I had made it home, only it was my new home that I knew I earned. It brings tears tomy eyes.
Just before the image, I was struck by a powerful realization that the [next level] occurred on the next earth. And I wondered if there wasa way to get there as I am, not as an infant. If this were attainable, what were the steps, how were these folks chosen, and the
population statistics. And suddenly the vision was there. This was not heaven. There were flesh and blood people, living on an earth that
happened to vibrate to a higher frequency where its inhabitants were wiser and happier. I can only assume they lived in healthier bodies aswell. I'm also speculating if this was the place I dreamed about that gave me a sense of belonging?
And from this vision came the freedom of liberation. This is not individual liberation for I haven't even begun basic training (The Three
Practices).
When I saw these people extend their arms, I instantly fell in them, and the vision abruptly vanished the way it appeared. And this iswhen all these buried emotions rose up and said "Here I am-don't forget me!"Now that the trapped emotions have had a flashlight shown on them; I guess all I can do is carry on with my Bodhisattva objectives. I
firmly believe I had a brief glimpse of truth this morning, and I'm not about to pretend it didn't happen, so I can bury them again, causing
more pain. That would be absurd, since it goes against what Buddha taught about identifying the scope of one's suffering.

libra33
sometimes when we don't know what to do we can only put one foot in front of another. be productive. get ajob. go to the library. get out among people. volunteer.
I think you should post your chart with progressions & transits if you haven't and have someone read to youwhat you are going through right now.
Because, if we know nothing about astrology, what we do know is that things change. moods change.
perspectives change.
sounds to me like neptune is going over your something ...
hugs.

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« Reply #245 - on: 03.11.2007 at 16:48 [UT] »lol, yes, "Neptune going over your something" or ANYTHING is what it sounds like to me, too...possibly yourMercury or your 3rd house ruler for starters....
We've ALL felt like that at some point if you've been here long enough. You've been here 34 years? Dang, sometransits are much more depressing and isolating, though, your words are very impactful. I think you should be
publishing at this point. Money can help. Extra money can at least put a distracting smile on your face until
Neptune gets the heck offa whatever it's oppressing....
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« Reply #246 - on: 03.11.2007 at 16:53 [UT] »Quote from icestorm on 03.11.2007 at 02:29 [UT]:
so what ASC indicated the most developed soul?

l?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I'd read astrologers' input on asc and reincarnation, just that several had
hinted that the ascendant might be overall more important that traditional interpretation.
I dunno....I gave what I had, lol. According to several readers, I'm an "old soul," but my Asc is Aries withstellium in Pisces 12th. I can't be leaving the wheel soon with Aries asc, can I? Unless my sun goals are done,
and Aries initiates a new level for me....
I think this kind of speculation is simply impossible to satisfy. Every once in a while, I'll get some sort of
instantaneous insight which is pleasant to file away for threads like this, but my job(s) lies in the here-and-now,
whatever it/they may be, and if I don't tend to them, I NEVER get off the wheel...
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« Reply #247 - on: 03.11.2007 at 17:00 [UT] »Quote from Liliane Hakansson on 03.11.2007 at 08:11 [UT]:
hi firewaterexcuse my sloppy associating, I did NOT mean that Jacobs ladder was a symbol for the kundalini in the Biblestory...but just as ju noted
could be a parallell, rising to a higher level of consciousness/heaven...
LilianeI figured, but felt it important to clarify!
BTW, I am very much absorbed by the TV series Lost which flirts with all of this though producers/creators
swear the show does NOT involve reincarnation, past lives, or time travel...
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« Reply #248 - on: 03.11.2007 at 17:26 [UT] »Dear Libra33 ~ I believe your experience is a big turningpoint in your psycho/spiritual journey ~ more of what
"they" refer to now in popular lingo as "an epiphany" and I am grateful for your honest sharing of it here. It
is a valuable experience and one I personally can relate to ~ I was about your age when I experienced that "notbelonging on this planet" feeling with its resultant associations of "not being seen" ~ and there are many manyfactors involved here which relate to the ancient world zeitgeist which does not honor the feminine in its own
consciousness. This results in our "alienation" from our true self and from each other with accompanying
longings to reconnect with "other". Only most of us do not have the courage to enter the VOID to reconnect
with our true Self & the lost others we love. I'm not talking out of a text book here. I'm talking about walking
the streets aimlessly and alienated too, during lunchtime breaks from work, searching for my self in passersby
and even looking up to "heaven" for the meaning. But I believe we feel this way because we are "overcivilized".
We need to get out and play and sit naked and quiet with each other. Smile. Take heart and stay tuned.
MyriosQuote from libra33 on 03.11.2007 at 13:16 [UT]:
I think I know the cause of my discontent and sadness; I don't belong here anymore. And this planet agrees with me. It no longer needs
me. It no longer sees me. What do I do now? And how do I get to the world I've been dreaming about the past five or so years? You knowwhat this feels like, a snow day. No, no, no-it feels like when I'd be kept home from school for a doctor's appointment, scheduled in thelate morning. Once the appointment has ended, there's no point to being driven to school, only to be collected an hour 1/2 from now. I'm
so used to being at school this time of day, I don't know what to do with myself. I feel out of place, in my own neighborhood, waiting formy peers to get off the bus.
I want to make it clear that I am not depressed or suffering from nervous exhaustion. I don't have suicidal thoughts of any kind. I feel...
abandoned. And my dreams; I don't realize how lonely I am until I have one of those dreams. Sometimes I walk the streets of familiar
neighborhoods I used to live, but I have a strange feeling I am not on the planet I have called home for the last 34 years. I like thesedreams, because I wake up feeling a sense of peaceful belonging.
It's the other ones I can't bear. I am convinced the worst sensation to experience on this planet is loneliness that has reached a desperatestate. Where is every one? I wonder the streets looking for a familiar face- anyone, I just need someone to talk to and be listened to.
Inside, I try to dial the numbers of friends I went to high school with, only, one by one, their numbers erase themselves from mymemory.
How can I feel so liberated, lonely, fulfilled, scared, and desperate simultaneously? And stuck, don't forget stuck. I search and wander
extensively, for what, I don't know. I can't say I feel like a ghost, or don't have contact with the public and people I care about. But I
don't feel all there. Not a feeling of disassociation or that I don't matter or exist. And I hate to admit this, but there are times (becoming
more frequent) when my memory acts as though it’s getting ready pack it’s bags and move out! And let me tell you, with Merc/Scorp
trining Moon/Cancer, I was the proud owner of a memory to be proud of.
Wow-amazing what the mind hides from us isn't it? This all hit me minutes after the most fantastic image flashed in my head. You see, I
began wondering about the next level of spiritual awareness this planet will vibrate to. And then, there they were, welcoming me with
open arms and kind eyes. For just a few seconds I had made it home, only it was my new home that I knew I earned. It brings tears tomy eyes.
Just before the image, I was struck by a powerful realization that the [next level] occurred on the next earth. And I wondered if there wasa way to get there as I am, not as an infant. If this were attainable, what were the steps, how were these folks chosen, and the
population statistics. And suddenly the vision was there. This was not heaven. There were flesh and blood people, living on an earth that
happened to vibrate to a higher frequency where its inhabitants were wiser and happier. I can only assume they lived in healthier bodies aswell. I'm also speculating if this was the place I dreamed about that gave me a sense of belonging?
And from this vision came the freedom of liberation. This is not individual liberation for I haven't even begun basic training (The Three
Practices).
When I saw these people extend their arms, I instantly fell in them, and the vision abruptly vanished the way it appeared. And this iswhen all these buried emotions rose up and said "Here I am-don't forget me!"Now that the trapped emotions have had a flashlight shown on them; I guess all I can do is carry on with my Bodhisattva objectives. I
firmly believe I had a brief glimpse of truth this morning, and I'm not about to pretend it didn't happen, so I can bury them again, causing
more pain. That would be absurd, since it goes against what Buddha taught about identifying the scope of one's suffering.

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« Reply #249 - on: 03.11.2007 at 18:35 [UT] »Hi libra33
We may be on different/parallell places in our spiritual development but I have felt "cut off" and alienated in myway earlier in life, so I risk rekommending the following....
Just read "Energy alerts" on www.whatsuponplanetearth.com.
A valuable book I think is "The Cassandra Complex" by Laurie Layton Shapira
Hope you find your solution...Liliane
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« Reply #250 - on: 03.11.2007 at 23:30 [UT] »Quote from solarwind on 02.10.2007 at 04:57 [UT+1]:
there are a lot of discussions on the past lives... so we can summarize what in the chart indicates that you dont have to reincarnate
anymore and ready to move on the transcendental? planets in the 12th house? aspects, stelliums???

Great thread.......
isn't aries the start of the zodiac? wouldnt that make pisces the end?
would you'd have to have worked somewhat through the zodiac to be able to transcend earth? you know ,experienced coming from a really self centered state (me me me), to a point of doing everything forothers......????????????????????
Just my really simple take on this really deep thread. I just wondered........
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« Reply #251 - on: 04.11.2007 at 00:31 [UT] »LIBRA33
I also get 'flashes'..... You are tapping into higher realms- 'glimpses'
I wish you well...
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« Reply #252 - on: 04.11.2007 at 03:08 [UT] »i don't know about l asc again... i knew very well a few l ASC people some at 29l... i am not sure if theytranscended it all and did everything for other... perhaps in the big picture but on the everyday level they werevery much selfcentered... nevertheless they were the some of the most interesting people that i have met...
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« Reply #253 - on: 04.11.2007 at 03:16 [UT] »Maybe they would need the sun asc and moon to be in pisces to transcend.......
who knows...

I hope all you need is a cap sun moon and an aqu asc!
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« Reply #254 - on: 04.11.2007 at 15:41 [UT] »12th House and Pisces being interchangeable in many ways.

I put much more evolving strength reliance in theupper five houses, 8 - 12, than I do the signs. Aren't the signs the roles which people play in whatever levelof evolvement they may be? A Sunsign being connected to the 5th House of actors and talent and life force,the Leo ego.
A Gemini in the 11th and 12th Houses is so much more complicated than a Gemini in the first few houses
without many planets in the upper half.
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« Reply #255 - on: 04.11.2007 at 15:47 [UT] »wonderful insight spiral.... i agree with the importance of the house placement... it does correlate with theessense of people that i know... would someone with a lot of planets in the last degree of the 12th house be
the most evolved bodhisattva type?
also, would the presonal or outer planets be of more importance in the
12th house?
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« Reply #256 - on: 04.11.2007 at 20:29 [UT] »Ice storm and spiral,
Hi, i get where your coming from but wouldnt the 12th house be too hidden for a last life?......For example ihave my moon and sun in the 12th but i think the energies are hidden somewhat....i dont express them in a
conscious way. ......I kind of think ( no basis) that maybe something would need to be seen in the firsthouse....to appear if you get where i am at........i dont think you could live a successful last life without showing
who you are.................do i make sense at all?
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« Reply #257 - on: 04.11.2007 at 20:30 [UT] »Its a mistake to take this topic too seriously......
The down side in believing in re-carnation, is that you can take life for granted. Why try so hard, I'll just beborn again, big deal. But I don't know if they teach that in Tibbetian Buddhism. In some of the other books
I've read about it, they say you should take life for graned, to live as though each day is your last.
They say ,"to be born human is a Rare and Auspicious gift, Rarer than a turtle coming up to the surface of sea
Sea to find a wreath around its neck."
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« Reply #258 - on: 04.11.2007 at 20:39 [UT] »it may be a mistake to take this topic too seriously, but it beats talking about g spots......in that department i'drather take action than talk..............this is worthy of discussion, even if it is 13 pages in.
David, have a good day though!
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« Reply #259 - on: 05.11.2007 at 03:29 [UT] »david now worries i don't think we take it too seriously...maybe you can teach us how to take it easy about
being born again and again as anything...sometimes i try to make sense of it all sometimes i dont recently idont but it's still entertaining to chat and listen to different ideas...
..are there any clues about the purpose of this life in your chart etc...is there an ultimate goal to be achieved oris it just a senseless race? just a light social conversation...do you still live in SF?
we discussed life as an auspicious gift how we have to look at it what to do with our lifes if the past indicates
any future potentials...this conversation is sort of like picking up some tabloids or architectural digest or dwellbefore you retire to the privacy of your bathroom
but at the same time it can give your some thoughts forfood when you mind isn't too busy with the saving the world...
little wing,
i am not sure what you mean when you say "successfull life"....do you mean only the 1st house planetaryplacements can make you accomplished in your profession ? do you see your AB in the 12th you as an
obstacle? ive heard theories that the planets in the 12th house were in your 1st in the previous lives etc...sortof if you look at your previous incarnations you shift everything back one house...
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« Reply #260 - on: 05.11.2007 at 03:46 [UT] »Quote from icestorm on 05.11.2007 at 03:29 [UT]:
david now worries i don't think we take it too seriously...maybe you can teach us how to take it easy about being born again and again as
anything...sometimes i try to make sense of it all sometimes i dont recently i dont but it's still entertaining to chat and listen to different
ideas...
..are there any clues about the purpose of this life in your chart etc...is there an ultimate goal to be achived or is it just a senseless race?
just a light social conversation...do you still live in SF?
we discussed life as an auspicious gift how we have to look at it what to do with our lifes if the past indicates any future potentials...thisconversation is sort of like picking up some tabloids or architectural digest or dwell before you retire to the privacy of your bathroom
but at the same time it can give your some thoughts for food when you mind isn't too busy with the saving the world...
little wind,
i am not sure what you mean when you say "successfull life"....do you mean talking about the 1st house that you can become
accomplished in your profession only if you have 1st house planets? do you see havingin the 12th you as an obstacle? ive heard

ABtheories that the planets in the 12th house were in your 1st in the previous lives etc...sort of if you look at your previous incarnations you
shift everything back one house...

ice storm,
sorry i dont make sense i'll try again......
if this was your last incarnation, i think you'd be trying to tie up loose ends(i would assume, quite consciously
too). If you have hidden stuff in your chart (ie things in the 12th) then wouldnt those things not get to besorted out.........I may just be really uneducated and maybe knowing more would help, but i dont feel iunderstand my 12th house placements...let alone consciously......my emotions are reactive and i dont have ahandle on them.B.....i dont think that would help this to be my last incarnation...........
does that make more sense?
Little wingp.s...and icestorm, you keep calling me little wind, maybe i should change my name to dump truck.........
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« Reply #261 - on: 05.11.2007 at 04:55 [UT] »Absolutely, Littlewing, I consider the refusing to see the evolving process of our births to be one of the most
severe weaknesses in learning to interpret our charts.
We should not accept these cookie cutter recipe books
or sites that say everyone with a planet in a sign should have the same priorities and agendas. That might be
the simplistic basis, but layers upon layers of other influences must to applied to them in the chart.
Similarly, the earthly reincarnations could never be something that ever stops evolving. Only perfection would
finish the process, and perfection never exists. It is time to leave behind the traditional little definitions in
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minds.
Just as the Moon never stops moving and always goes forward, degree by degree around the circle, so do ourbirths. Each degree is higher than the last, and each month's Round or Path is higher and wider than the last
because the circle is actually an ever widening spiral. We know this because of the degree just before the New
Moon each month is a few degrees less than the degree before the New Moon of last month, in the 30 degree
sign using synchronicity, pointing toward a trajectory that is outside the previous Round.
The Moon in spiral growth, moving furthur and furthur out into space, the microcosm.
spinning forward toward the center of the galaxy and beyond, the macrocosm.
life.

The Milky Way spiral,

These represent our cycles ofEvery single thing in the Universe is constantly evolving. It is so arrogant of us to think we do not evolve incycles just as the largest solar system or the smallest flowering plant does. Never stopping our forward
movement, each life coming from the past one and connected to the next one.
I agree these are just our limited impressions and ideas which may have no basis in what is happening at all as
we live our lives and pass on, but the basic principle of continuing evolvement is the continuing progression of
all Nature of which we all a part.
Of course we don't have to take it seriously. It will continue happening whether we want to believe it or not.
It doesn't need our permission. But when we interpret a birthchart, we need to recognize it is not static, it
is a continuing movement in progress, of which our birth is just capturing a moment in time, imprinting thatmap of the Universe upon our programmed psyche to take those instructions this incarnation to work withbecause we need it this time to balance from last time and move on.
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« Reply #262 - on: 05.11.2007 at 06:50 [UT] »Similarly, the earthly reincarnations could never be something that ever stops evolving.
would finish the process, and perfection never exists.

Only perfection

what is the perfection? and where are the clues to this perfection if any in the chart, spiral?
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« Reply #263 - on: 05.11.2007 at 06:55 [UT] »Maybe if you can put up charts of ascended master you can deterimine what are the "signatures for a
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« Reply #264 - on: 05.11.2007 at 07:10 [UT] »david what would you expect those signatures to be? i did some charts in the thread dalai lama john paul etc
unfortunately i dont have exact birth time for them so i have no idea what's their ASC... what ASC would dalai
lama fit? A on sirius D on regulus
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« Reply #265 - on: 05.11.2007 at 17:15 [UT] »Quote from DavidGB on 02.10.2007 at 20:11 [UT+1]:
Quote from Alishaya on 02.10.2007 at 18:54 [UT+1]:
something is their true purpose in this lifetime - the reason they were born."

Well I think theTtibetian Buddhist would desribe, Re-incarnation in a linear fashion. If they dont that news to me. What you say sounds
elegant,but then aren't you also saying then that Past /present/future is occuring at once? An interesting idea, and I'd believe it ...
But maybe when it has to do with rebirth on this plane, time works in what seems to be a linear fashion,we are born as Babies,

mature , and die older. Seems that way? Buddhist in the Tibetian book of the Dead seem to desribe it that way, if you found informationin that text saying different ,I'd love to hear it.

it appears to me that our physical bodies born as babies mature and die older but it's not the same deal for oursouls... i guess spiral ideas about the spiral evolution of the souls is well described in the zarathustra's story...asour souls metaphorically start off as camel crossing the desert of life becoming philosopher and ending up as ababy again...
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« Reply #266 - on: 05.11.2007 at 20:30 [UT] »Perfection meaning the end because we can't get any better, we can't evolve any higher.
opinion will never exist.

That state in my

There will never be such a place because to live is to evolve.

This state we are in now, half animal half human, is the very beginning of reaching up to a higher state ofbeing. The proof is in our brains, which as of now are used at a very low percentage of their potential..
Why are they there if we are not meant to evolve into the full use of them?
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Our intuition, our psychic ability, our awareness of other energies which can transport us the way our
messages do on the computer...... our future ability to heal, to prolong life, to identify our internal genetics
through DNA genome projects. Solar power. Cleaner air and water, purer food. Our flights to outer space as
One World working together. . Our ceasing of all war and killing and violent crimes. Our acceptance of theenergies of astrology and its permission to be happy by self awareness.
Just very quickly these come to mind as our future which has not even begun at this point.
No more earthly incarnations?

You are caught in this never-stopping wheel that rolls over everyone and picks

you up to be dropped off at the next station, whether you want to go there, or not.
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« Reply #267 - on: 05.11.2007 at 21:02 [UT] »I don't think emotions and passions are the problem so much as unhealed emotional damage from years ofincarnations that no one moves or expresses out of their system, drawing experiences back to them. (because
the emotional body is magnetic) That is the understanding of Karma that I have. Ideally, when we heal oursouls and reclaim lost parts of ourselves we will no longer die because our bodies are not so overburdened byemotional charge it can't carry anymore from this life. Also bringing spirit INTO body instead of escaping andascending and viewing this life as inferior is also another method of true healing / evolution. This world would
be a much different place if everyone was emotionally healed and spirit was IN body - it would be a magicalparadise.
All the pain and suffering caused here is really because people who incarnate do now know how, or will not takeresponsbility for their emotional garbage they leave here on the planet when they "ascend".
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LilianeHakansson« Reply #268 - on: 05.11.2007 at 22:13 [UT] »Ex Member

Hm Artemis..
That was a perspective that appeals to me, even if I can´t say I know it´s the final truth!
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« Reply #269 - on: 06.11.2007 at 00:00 [UT] »Spiral said it all...

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« Reply #270 - on: 06.11.2007 at 00:46 [UT] »of course there is no end to perfection... we don't know the ending result...though our lives seems to roll within
given predestined parameters...we perfect one set of skills and move on on the next level... so maybe the samething happens with our souls... we perfect our lessons on earth and move on as a "baby" to the next level
somewhere else.....as i stated in the title of this topic no more EARTHLY incarnations... i am sure there areother "stations" than earth to evolve....i guess life on earth is just one cycle... and there are other after that...
somewhere else
i thought that there may be some indications in the chart that you are almost done with thelessons here in this earthly plane of existence...
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« Reply #271 - on: 06.11.2007 at 01:50 [UT] »No, there could not be. We are just beginning.

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« Reply #272 - on: 06.11.2007 at 01:54 [UT] »there couldn't be? do you mean there are no indication in the chart? what are we beginning? are we at thebaby stage of the evoulution? perhaps...

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« Reply #273 - on: 06.11.2007 at 02:05 [UT] »Hicestorm"There are many Mansions in our Fathers House" quote from the Bible, is said to describe the different
hierarchies in the spiritual world. From mediumistic peoples perspective i understand that you evolve in theother dimensions too, but that you can choose to reincarnate. Whether it ever stops or not, who knows.
I'm primarily occupied with learning how to love myself and my fellow incarnates here on earth. Having felt
more love in contact with deceased relatives via mediumistic people than from living humans, i'm not satisfied
until i can feel it for my earthlings too....
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« Reply #274 - on: 06.11.2007 at 02:07 [UT] »What do I know? This is just my personal opinion after working with Moon Phases for so long.
It is my sense that we have piled up so much animal karma that we are now in the process of trying to balance
it all. In a world where the animal instincts of killing, raping, grabbing with greed and pushing others away,
abuse and ego pride with stealth and cunning predominate, we attempt to reach for the higher spiritual level
while our pasts haunt us.
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« Reply #275 - on: 06.11.2007 at 02:17 [UT] »i have no idea how to survive in this sort of world... as many of us...wasn't christ's crucifiction a literal andmetaphorical ultimate manifestation of the worst of the human nature? jealousy envy fear big egos murder
betrayal ...not much changed since then...
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Hi spiral

Bphases? I think i read somewhere that if your B is in the last waning phase (mine is and mI) it should
indicate a closure of a cycle. I must admit i'm longing for my DINN T o here on earth, but everybody tell me
it´s not possible and that i have to sublimize it into my art of singing, but i won't accept that, because i canfeel the feeling, it must exist here on earth too...
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« Reply #277 - on: 06.11.2007 at 02:26 [UT] »The closing of one cycle simply means the beginning of the next.

After Dark of the Moon comes a pause andthen New Moon begins all over again, at a higher level as time marches on toward more evolvement.
Icestorm, to me the spiritual symbolism of Christ dying on the Cross is the crucifixion of the ego, which must
be done before we can rise above the human weaknesses and come back purely spiritual.

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Hakansson« Reply #278 - on: 06.11.2007 at 02:41 [UT] »Ex Member

SpiralWhat do you think of Neon Artemis perspective?

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« Reply #279 - on: 06.11.2007 at 05:33 [UT] »Quote from Liliane Hakansson on 06.11.2007 at 02:41 [UT]:SpiralWhat do you think of Neon Artemis perspective?

Interesting.
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« Reply #280 - on: 06.11.2007 at 10:24 [UT] »Liliane, I like the comment from Neon: "All the pain and suffering caused here is really because people who
incarnate do now know how, or will not take responsbility for their emotional garbage they leave here on theplanet when they "ascend". "Because we can sometimes feel that people who take the past garbage with them and can't let it go, whether it

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is from childhood of this life or from experiences of the past ones, are walking heavily around the Earth as if adead albatross is tied around their necks, weighing them down. Some are so sure they are tainted by thesepast hauntings that they will never be of value to anyone. They are defensive or too afraid to climb out of the

Gender:garbage others have put them in.
What I get from Neon is the urging to fly free. Whatever has happened, face it, deal with it, and get on withyour potential. Your talents are waiting. Love is waiting. But fear of and lack of confidence in the Incredible
will ruin another life every time.
Sometimes we just have to tell our psyche to "SHUT UP !", and then we can simply dance away.

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« Reply #281 - on: 06.11.2007 at 11:35 [UT] »Icestorm, your question seems to be a plaintive cry to me to please assure you that I feel we are making great
progress here, in our quest for understanding of astrology and the connected studies. Of course I do. The
alternative of not trying to understand ourselves and the energies of our world would be a dark, scary place inwhich to live.

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revered spiritual leaders must have been the ultimate in man's evolution, approaching a near-God status.
Perhaps each generation needs to feel we are getting close to the goal of perfection that our Souls long for ?
The Pyramids of the Ancient Egyptians, or the Ancient Indian Mounds found in the central United States andin Central America, are built with hundreds and thousands of steps to reach the top, on the outside of thestructures. But the way within is the fastest way, the secret doors that lead to tunnels into the Center.
The
stairs to the top were the 10th House energy, but the doors within were the 12th. In evolving through theMoon Phases, we enter that spiritual Center each time we have finished the worldly phases and withdraw into
the 25 - 26 - 27- 28 Phases. Approaching the Dark of the Moon every Round of several thousand years, weenter into the Secret Door. Some are not prepared as well as others.
I guess you could say that those who are born in the Dark of the Moon and are able to make good use of its
spiritual energies are taking a giant leap for mankind, but each person prepares for that time through all therest of the phases until reaching that point. And many on Earth now have finished those last few Phases of theRound of lives, many many times. and have moved on to a newer higher Round now in the first few New Moonphases and beyond.

Moving through society giving others a step up to hurry their progress.

The great equalizer in the Circle is that no one is ever "first", no one is ever "higher". But our Universal
circles are actually spirals that fly off from the previous circle and begin a new one. While some appear to bemoving in the same circles as everyone else, some are actually higher up and furthur out. Icestorm, this isprobably what you are sensing and are looking in charts for evidence of it ?
I would look for the opposite of the drone and the mindless worker.
followers. For the artistic colors that rise above the same hue.
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For the run-away from the sheep and the

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MyriosEx Member« Reply #282 - on: 06.11.2007 at 14:36 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 06.11.2007 at 11:35 [UT]:
Icestorm, your question seems to be a plaintive cry to me to please assure you that I feel we are making great progress here, in our quest
for understanding of astrology and the connected studies. Of course I do. The alternative of not trying to understandourselves and the energies of our world would be a dark, scary place in which to live.
When you study world history in spiritual belief terms, you often find generations who believed their more

revered spiritual leaders must have been the ultimate in man's evolution, approaching a nearGod status. Perhaps each generation needs to feel we are getting close to the goal of perfection that our Souls long for ?
The Pyramids of the Ancient Egyptians, or the Ancient Indian Mounds found in the central United States and in Central America, are builtwith hundreds and thousands of steps to reach the top, on the outside of the structures. But the way within is the fastest

way, the secret doors that lead to tunnels into the Center. The stairs to the top were the 10th House energy, but the doors withinwere the 12th. In evolving through the Moon Phases, we enter that spiritual Center each time we have finished the worldly phases
and withdraw into the 25 - 26 - 27- 28 Phases. Approaching the Dark of the Moon every Round of several thousand years, weenter into the Secret Door. Some are not prepared as well as others.
I guess you could say that those who are born in the Dark of the Moon and are able to make good use of its spiritual energies are taking a
giant leap for mankind, but each person prepares for that time through all the rest of the phases until reaching that point. And many on
Earth now have finished those last few Phases of the Round of lives, many many times. and have moved on to a newer higher Round now
in the first few New Moon phases and beyond. Moving through society giving others a step up to hurry theirprogress.
The great equalizer in the Circle is that no one is ever "first", no one is ever "higher". But our Universal circles are actually spirals that fly
off from the previous circle and begin a new one. While some appear to be moving in the same circles as everyone else, some are
actually higher up and furthur out. Icestorm, this is probably what you are sensing and are looking in charts for evidence of it ?
I would look for the opposite of the drone and the mindless worker. For the run-away from the sheep

and the followers. For the artistic colors that rise above the same hue.
.

.... How many wise words can a person spout after studying and studying and studying for years ....
One only ever seeswhat one is prepared for by what/who one observes and learns from. We each learn fromwhat we find within our Self ... and also from external observations of other creatures (not just humans andastro charts) .... what is one's measuring stick? A book? Or the insights from the book of your own well-lived
thoughtful life .... many wisewomen/sages never opened a book so how did they learn?
History has only taught me one thing .... we are still building upon the same old same old mis-takes ... again
and a gain and a gain.
I have a full 12th house with Asc and Saturn in the last tiny sliver of my 12th House Leo ... Sun and Mercury in
Virgo.
I can attest that my 12th house e assets did not materialise until later in life ~ after Saturn had done its
second round ~ and now Saturn has revolved again for its third visit to my f 1st House.
Do i feel evolved to I? YES. I'm standing up tall, knowing i "know" what I "know"
But neither i nor I ever expect to do THIS old round again.
Human evolution needs to stand back from itself and stop all this self congratulation for making such a danged
mess all over the place. Even animals do not s(h)it in their own beds ... they know that life's cycle is whatgoes thru them .... animals just keep rolling along without any worries ... simply happy to romp and play while
they CAN.... completely unaware till NOW when their habitat and food is gone ... that man is his own selfappointed GODKING.
Not expecting to win anything ... my seat with "god" is right here on Earth ~ only spaceship I will ever inhabit.
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Member« Reply #283 - on: 06.11.2007 at 16:38 [UT] »[quote author=capricorn rising link=1191297461/0#1 date=1191297664]well from my expierence you'll
reincarnate again and again until the entire universe awakes from its slumber
I agree with you Cappy Rising. We all began from a single one celled organism, from there we split off.
Therefore we are one, learning many different aspects of the physical experience.
Although such an expansive thought may be discouraging to some, just remember that all new information
feels a little uncomfortable at first. Let your mind play around with the concept a little before you shoot it
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« Reply #284 - on: 06.11.2007 at 16:39 [UT] »Quote from Neon Artemis on 05.11.2007 at 21:02 [UT]:
I don't think emotions and passions are the problem so much as unhealed emotional damage from years of incarnations that no one
moves or expresses out of their system, drawing experiences back to them. (because the emotional body is magnetic) That is theunderstanding of Karma that I have. Ideally, when we heal our souls and reclaim lost parts of ourselves we will no longer die because ourbodies are not so overburdened by emotional charge it can't carry anymore from this life. Also bringing spirit INTO body instead ofescaping and ascending and viewing this life as inferior is also another method of true healing / evolution. This world would be a muchdifferent place if everyone was emotionally healed and spirit was IN body - it would be a magical paradise.
All the pain and suffering caused here is really because people who incarnate do now know how, or will not take responsbility for theiremotional garbage they leave here on the planet when they "ascend".

last sense doesn't quite make sense...but overall that's kind of obvious statement...any damage eventually
heals..doesnt' heal on their own.... it takes 2 people a few or perhaps a group of people to resolve previous
mistakes...
myrious, tha's a good point people are not ready that doesn't resonate with their personal
experiences...noone's mistakes will teach them until they get their own bump...
spiral, i don't need any assurances. i just make conversation and give you a chance to elaborate your point....
i will be glad to close this thread with the sigh of relief
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« Reply #285 - on: 08.11.2007 at 03:55 [UT] »I was asked to contribute to this thread, but quite honestly, although I've read a few posts here & there I
simply didn't have the fortitude to read 15 pages? .....it must be a Record!!
I can add this much, for what I can attest to having seen. That I had also a Pre-conceived idea of what toexpect in a natal chart, as to aspects (especially out from Saturn) the Trans Neptune planets being indicators to
the inner planets as to a soul or the aspect's evolution in the scheme of reincarnational lives.
I no longer feel this way, and that's why I haven't contributed to this thread before.
I was startled to find, for instance, in a book I had bought a few years back, (at the Cayce Institute)......in Va.
Beach (not available elsewhere I don't think?).......called, "No Need to Reincarnate"
which is a list of the people out of the almost 15,000 readings that Edgar Cayce gave, and to whom he told
them, they had no need to return. (there is only a handful, maybe 15??-or 20??) I don't think it's that many.
Anyway, I had an idea of what I would see when I erected their Natal Charts, (all deceased now), and especiallythe ones that the times of birth were known...
I was quite taken back to see that all my preconceived ideas were not valid.......
Many of these charts were ones that I myself, might have shunned away from,(if they were to be acquaintences,etc.)........as some had rather harsh symbols in them.
But each of these people were told that although some had already perfected their souls to the extent theyneed not return, they still chose to (some for reasons such as helping others)

But few of them would I have guessed!
So, this is why I don't have an opinion, based soley upon an Astrological Natal Chart.
We are only seeing ONE aspect or a multi-dimensional, and infinite Soul ........
Even if were are seeing the lifetimes in a chart from which the soul took part (other alternate lives), Still, we
cannot see the entire soul in a natal chart of an aspect personaltiy.
That's what I came away with after viewing most of them.
some came to do "damage control", some came to perfect one or two "idiosyncycies (sic).....it was just hard tosay.

Tookies.
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« Reply #286 - on: 10.11.2007 at 07:26 [UT] »I would just like to say thanks to everyone for your kind and supportive words. I too believe Neptune is up to
something.
How would I be able to have a transit chart done?

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« Reply #287 - on: 10.11.2007 at 18:37 [UT] »Thankyou for your honest comments Tookie ~ I'm just clearing up some "idea synch eyes" then?!
I really don't want this job again.
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« Reply #288 - on: 10.11.2007 at 18:54 [UT] »your welcomed for sure Myrios............
And I wouldn't want to "keep you hanging".....on the edge of your seat, so I'll post 2 of these charts, one has
the accurate birth time, and the other does not have a birth time, so I used hypothetical time .
See what I meant......Perhaps you'd agree(IF we think Cayce knew what he said he did and saw) about these
two individuals:
This one had been a healer (past & present or last lifetime) The OTHER was at one time, Martha of
Bethany(sister of Mary Magdala and sister to Lazarus) First I'll try to post the Healer.

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« Reply #289 - on: 12.11.2007 at 09:48 [UT] »Hi, Ariel here.
I'm sorry that it's taken so long for me to pick up on what I left off.
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The second time that I saw angels was also at Shirleys' place.

A woman who I had never seen before cameinto Shirley's house, and asked me if I wanted to go to sunday school. My parents, who weren't christians,
didn't want me to go. Of course, I didn't know what a sunday school was, and I thought that it was a schoolthat was open on Sundays. I didn't know that it had anything to do with religion. Anyway, I said yes, and I did
end up going.
However, I saw my angels again, (this was also at Shirley's place) and they asked me not to go to Sunday
school. This was when I was about five years old. Of course, true to form, I DID go.
I wish that I hadn't, not because it was in anyway abusive or anything like that, but if filled my head withconcepts that I would have rather done without. I ended up with feeling a lot of guilt,which led to problems
when I was a teenager,, and I could have done without all of that.
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Hakansson« Reply #290 - on: 12.11.2007 at 10:25 [UT] »Ex Member

Hi Ariel........at the same time you've learned something of great value by experiencing it yourself, that traditionalreligion doesn't have to have anything to to with spirituality, more often it stands in the way of your own
personal connection with the divine..The same patriarchal structure as everywhere...."You don't get to heaven
except through me, and if you try we will cast you out of our communion". Perhaps that was what the "angels"were making you understand by go there and experience yourself....Just a thought....
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« Reply #291 - on: 12.11.2007 at 11:02 [UT] »Thanks very much Liliane. You hit it on the head perfectly. True spirituality has nothing to do with religion. I
know that now.
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« Reply #292 - on: 13.11.2007 at 15:30 [UT] »Tookie, with all the Algol talk, I now note the position of Algol m True Node and Algol m B in these charts of
PPL who didn't need to reincarnate...hmmmm Myrios

Quote from tookie on 10.11.2007 at 18:54 [UT]:
your welcomed for sure Myrios............
And I wouldn't want to "keep you hanging".....on the edge of your seat, so I'll post 2 of these charts, one has the accurate birth time, andthe other does not have a birth time, so I used hypothetical time .
See what I meant......Perhaps you'd agree(IF we think Cayce knew what he said he did and saw) about these two individuals:
This one had been a healer (past & present or last lifetime) The OTHER was at one time, Martha of Bethany(sister of Mary Magdala andsister to Lazarus) First I'll try to post the Healer.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7449/noneedtoreincarnatecasele0.gif
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« Reply #293 - on: 13.11.2007 at 15:50 [UT] »Quote from Ariel1 on 12.11.2007 at 11:02 [UT]:Thanks very much Liliane. You hit it on the head perfectly. True spirituality has nothing to do with religion. I know that now.
Ariel

Hi Ariel!
Just wanted to state that of course religious pple can have a true linK with their spirituality, also traditionalreligions were once an attemt to understand the connection betwen humans and their spirituality and earthlyinteraction..but slowly they became "hijacked" by powerhungry pple (mostly men) using it for politics orwhatever could increase thir power..but that will change....
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« Reply #294 - on: 13.11.2007 at 16:07 [UT] »sometimes events of this life may make you change your mind from "no more" to " maybe just one moretime"...

i have Bm algol

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« Reply #295 - on: 13.11.2007 at 16:14 [UT] »I remember when I first looked at Martha of Bethany's (reincarnational self), and her chart; that the first thingthat struck me, (beyond her temperment and little anger fits she apparently needed to curtail in this life, (theMoon)'s position; was that she had VENUS conjunct FOMALHAUT , (3PIS) which the ancients said waspotentially a sign of someone making a "Name in Infamy"
That was curious to me.......as VEnus, i.e. love is what she had apparently perfected in various lifetimes, andone that I recalled was as the sister of Mary & Lazarus, and the good friends of Jesus.
In that lifetime, it was brought to her mind,(by Cayce) that she would be rather harsh in her assessments ofcriticizing Mary for not being there to help "set the table", etc. when they were to have guests.
(Algol moon?), but her overwhelming and overall Love for many people, even not her own is what earned herapparently this Crown of achievement.

Curious.....all in all.
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« Reply #296 - on: 13.11.2007 at 16:17 [UT] »one of my sons has a stellium around algol in the 5th house and the other around fomalhaut in the 10th
they are 7 and 2 now but a big trouble already....

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« Reply #297 - on: 13.11.2007 at 16:21 [UT] »You are fun Icestorm

I love your "devil-may-care-but-I-don't" POV as I am quickly getting there myself...

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« Reply #298 - on: 13.11.2007 at 16:56 [UT] »what occured to me that this thread itself had at least 10 reincarnations
which can be a answer in
itself... it doesnt want to die
thank you tookie for interesting perspective... what is unremarkable chart? thehealer chart looks like quite difficult to live with...
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« Reply #299 - on: 16.11.2007 at 11:23 [UT] »Hi AllHere's an excerpt from www.gnosticteachings.org
It's stated , "It's better to be a good man (or woman, in swedish "människa" is "man" / "man" is "man" and"kvinna" is "woman") than to be a bad Angel"Woe to those who leave the difficult path; they will remain entangeled within the karma of the world. We, thebodhisattvas of compassion who love humanity immensely state;: As long as there is a single tear in any
human eye, as long as there is even one suffering heart, we refuse to accept the happiness of Nirvana...
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« Reply #300 - on: 16.11.2007 at 13:16 [UT] »Icestorm, talking about healers being difficult to live with, Edgar Cayce himself was such a man. They could
not get him to quit smoking so much when he had such weakened health and stamina, he was very vulnerable
to going into money swindling schemes when he was younger. His signature biography, "There Is A River", isthe best light on his life I've seen as a librarian.
I noticed in the biographies of famous inspirational healing figures of the 19th Century that many of themseemed to go into deep spiritual "trances" for long periods of time, shutting out their families and anyone
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have over 60 books on Lincoln and his family. Abe would sit in front of the fireplace and stare into the fire foran entire day at a time at the White House, and not respond to any outside voices or activity. He had
prophetic dreams, as the one of ..."someone is lying dead in the White House" and when he went to look who
it was, it was himself.
His wife Mary had psychics come to give seances to help her summon the souls of her chidren who had died.
The fascination of the 19th Century with incarnations and life after death eventually led to the surge of newbooks and public figures on the subject around the turn of the century, 1900 - 1910. Perhaps the 18th
Century was too close to the practice of burning witches at the stake in New England in the 1600's, but by the
19th, the curiosity was brimming.
I would like to see the personal letters and memoirs of Washington, Jefferson, Franklin in the USA history
around the Revolution discussing their knowledge of astrology and what their beliefs were then of our lives
incarnating.
I was struck by a quotation in the inaugural address of Pres. Bush in Jan. 2001 by his speechwriters from theforming of our country in the 1770's. Thomas Jefferson received a letter from a fellow patriot which he kept as
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« Reply #301 - on: 16.11.2007 at 14:29 [UT] »Hi Spiral...that was very ineresting indeed....i knew about Edgar Cayce but not about Lincoln...somehow you wantmediumistic pple to be "perfect"...me at least have this "problem"... a medium i have "tested" through athorough interrogation due to my experiences having been brainwashed by a false guru, is a smoker, doesn't
led a very healthy life ...but is a very talented medium though and a kind person.... life is paradoxical
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« Reply #302 - on: 16.11.2007 at 14:45 [UT] »A medium must have such a very strong Neptune, in hard angles, that these weaknesses are to be expected,
wouldn't you say ?
It is why an author or a poet or great actor is often an alcoholic, or was in past years
before the health kick clicked in. To be inspired is also to be tempted.

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« Reply #303 - on: 16.11.2007 at 16:52 [UT] »spiral what is a strong neptune? can you give some examples of strong neptune charts....just want to clarify if
you mean that neptune is strong when it's in the cardinal houses in hard aspects? to what planets?

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« Reply #304 - on: 16.11.2007 at 17:03 [UT] »Spiral:Since I don't think there is anything about Edgar Cayce's life I'm unfamiliar with, please let me know WHERE
you read this information, that he had an "adulterous affair with Gladys Turner" his young and only
secretary???
I'd be most interested in knowing where exactly you either read, heard or otherwise this information, which
I've never ever heard of, and cannot believe it is true. IF it cannot be verified, by your books, then of course itis pure "gossip", and as such, should be called gossip, as gossip is very destructive to people andtheir reputations....
It certaily is NOT in "There is a River" by Thomas Sugrue. Nor in any other bonafide written Biography known ofCayce including the newest one by Kirkpatrick.....I've read & owned all of them myself.
Awaiting your response,
and thanks in advance for your research of this background material for me,
P.S. this would be most interesting not only to me but to his organization and heirs, at the A.R.E.,so it's quite
important that I know where this came from.
As not only is this gossip stuff, unfair and damaging to the memory of Edgar Cayce, his work, his reputation,
but the family of Gladys Turner still is around, and I'd like to clear this gossip stuff up for them also once andfor all.

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« Reply #305 - on: 16.11.2007 at 17:05 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 16.11.2007 at 14:45 [UT]:
A medium must have such a very strong Neptune, in hard angles, that these weaknesses are to be expected, wouldn't you say ? It is why
an author or a poet or great actor is often an alcoholic, or was in past years before the health kick clicked in. To be inspired is also to be
tempted.

Hi Spiral
I have been recommended by this medium to develop my spirituality, what do you think? I have been temptedby my "devils" i can assure you........
Would you comment on my chart? I risk posting it anyway.
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LilianeHakansson« Reply #306 - on: 16.11.2007 at 18:58 [UT] »Ex MembertookieCG Jung also had a relationship with one of his analysands....nothing one would recommend o fcousre, he was
not a medium but he came up with the term for synchronicity and i'm sure he was in contact with different
forms of "occult" phenomena. I saw this on a documentary on TV so i believe it's true. Their correspndance
verified the realtionship. nevertheless he has contributed to the understanding of the psyche..perhaps even justbecause of the "shadowy" things he also did.
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« Reply #307 - on: 16.11.2007 at 19:56 [UT] »Thanks Liliane for the information about CC Jung.
However, Gossip is extremely damaging IF it cannot be VERIFIED..........as proof.
This then, is all I am asking for, "Where" did this statement come from?? This accusation of philandering?
It simply is Not accurate at all.....I'm 100% sure because I've studied and known this family for over 40 years
now., and would very much like the answers as to who started the gossip?
but certainly it is not verifiable, and simply innuenduo & maliciousness.,to suggest this about Gladys Turner his
young secretary, who came to live in the Cayce home with their 2 sons Hugh Lynn & Edgar Evans.(who is still
alive)
They were the same ages (Gladys and the Cayce sons)......and all as family.
So, it's important when someone makes such a claim or charge to know where the origination camefrom.
So much for Jung, perhaps with him it is so.........I wouldn't know.
But the Cayce family I do know.
There is only ONE book i'm aware of that covered anything that negatively may reflect upon him,
and it had to do with the search for treasure (when young) and using the readings for that, whenEdgar (as aPisces Sun sign) was influenced by treasure hunters.
This background is fully explored & discussed, (not hidden) at all, by his own sons in this book:
Here is the only book I'm aware of addressing these Treasure hunts in the early days before he decided to only
help the sick, dying & important issues with the readings......:
http://www.paraview.com/press_releases/feb1_2004.htm
In The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce’s Power, his sons, Edgar Evans Cayce and Hugh Lynn Cayce, investigate
the questions that challenged the prophet’s seemingly unlimited psychic abilities -- cases involving buriedtreasure, readings for the dead, and missing persons. They delve into why their father didn’t succeed at times
and explore what this teaches us about the nature of psychic perception. They also address allegations that
Cayce’s powers were a hoax.
While Cayce has been the subject of many books, The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce’s Power is the only one
written by the two men who knew him best -- his sons -- and offers a truly intimate and illuminating portrait of
the renowned psychic.

IF Such innuendo as Philandering CANNOt be substantiated, then it is termed, "Malicious Gossip" and should be
addressed as it's very destructive to the remaining families of these two people.
Thanks for your input,
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« Reply #308 - on: 17.11.2007 at 00:21 [UT] »Edgar Cayce was not a saint, he was only a man with an incredible gift of being a sleeping prophet. I haveargued against the tendency to be sheep and blindly follow a person's pronouncement on many threads on thisboard. No one person is evolved enough yet at this early stage of humanity to be without error or mistakes
or weaknesses.

We are only the Ancients.

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The rumors have persisted and been acknowledged by enough people for them to be mentioned in many
biographies. People knew Edgar Cayce in ordinary life. It was not that long ago, and whether they began
rumors to disprove his gift or to be a witch hunter, I don't know. I apologize for mentioning what I assumed

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I should have begun that statement with "rumors of" or "alleged".

I have erased the statement of the affair as you have asked, without solid proof only hearsay. But thishearsay is from his own son, Hugh, whose comments and interviews have strived to create a real human beingout of his father, not so holier than thou angel.
Sounding like a lame excuse, my books are in storage in Birmingham, AL where I have moved from to Illinois
these past six months, but I do remember that this book about his charisma was written by a man who had
worked with Cayce and is the author of many biographies. Any affair that was talked about can be termed"vicious gossip". I see these references as proof that this was a real man with a real life like anyone else has,making his trances become even more remarkable to me than if he had lived as Mother Teresa.
This is my reference:
A SEER OUT OF SEASON: EDGAR CAYCE - Herman Hartzell Bro Dr. Harmon Bro's years of study with master psychic Edgar Cayce bring a fresh viewpoint to his life. The author
is the only living scholar to have directly worked with Cayce, and his biography is the first complete portrait of
the man whose works have stood the test of time more than 50 years.
THE CHARISMA OF .....
.".......Bro recollects that Gertrude Cayce clearly recognized the potential for an affair as a very real factor in
the relationship between her husband and Davis (Bro 1989 paperback version: 361-362), and recalls Hugh
Lynn's private complaints about several of his father's affairs. including this one."********************************************
Dr. Bro knew Edgar personally, as well as his son Hugh, and so it is not unlikely that they shared personal
memories and regrets of Edgar's life. We should include the bad with the good of any life we study as an
astrologer, never sugar coat it and present only one side.
What reason would Dr. Bro have to write anything untrue which would compromise his position as Cayce's
biographical scholar? A biographer and an astrologer must be objective, not have a hidden agenda to protect
or to tell vicious lies. Dr. Bro is the author of many books.
fraud or out to hurt him?

Wouldn't Edgar Cayce sense if this man was a

If you google this subject, you will find several references including the fact that Cayce's ARE Institute in
Virginia Beach have closed their wagons round this subject and taken it as their mission to strongly deny thisrumor, striving to protect the reputation of the man who has inspired their place of study and inspiration.

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« Reply #309 - on: 17.11.2007 at 00:47 [UT] »Icestorm, in answer to your question of how I see a strong Neptune, it would be one that has a hard aspect to
Neptune, a conjunction-square-opposition, remembering that planets in Pisces are a natural correspondence
to Neptune which equals their being in conjunction with it. Since Neptune moves so slowly, the hard angle
should be applying, with the other planet being in a lower degree than Neptune.
The planet would bring the increased energy to Neptune. The House would tell in what area of life this would
manifest. The transits or progressions would activate it strongly when the planet in hard aspect to Neptune
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Neptune, then when Mars conjuncts Neptune, the effect would be much stronger than if Mars did not aspect it
natally.
I don't know of any other planet but Neptune in which the energies can be so extreme between helpful or
harmful, inspirational or delusional, spiritually responsible or addicted, honestly sincere or dishonest, faithfulor a cheater, "serve or suffer" alternatives. And Neptune is so nebulous, like colored clouds floating over andbehind and in front, now taking one to the heights of ecstasy in their musical or art or literary talent,suddenly then plunging one to the depths of depression or panic. Because of this, one person who is a
psychic or an artist or a writer can one day be the person all should admire and emulate, and the next day be
involved in some temptation that his weakness cannot resist.

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« Reply #310 - on: 17.11.2007 at 01:15 [UT] »thanks for your response and deleting the "less then and only alleged to be " allegation of an affair with Gladys
Davis Turner. However, since you are saying, MANY biographies, please list them for me, so I might challenge
them myself, as to their authenticity. Such as WHERE I might read that Hugh Lynn said this about his
father & the late Mrs.Turner??
As for Harmon Bro's book, who barely knew him as he died, just a very short while after meeting the Cayces inperson.,(Cayce died as did his wife), shortly thereafter..........I'll need to do my research on this one.
I have read, "A Seer out of Season" actually it's in our local library and will be getting it out myself, once
again.,as I threw away my paperback version years ago.
YES, it's ALWAYS best to double check & cross our "ts" and dot our "i's" before harming another, because
gossip can be not only cruel, and immoral BUT also, quite dangerous to the reputations of people.
I'd be quite a shocked woman to find out that he committed practically Incest with the lady who moved in thehome with his own 2 children, and he practically raised.....as his own.
He BTW, ALWAYS called her his entire life, ALWAYS, never to be heard differently, "Miss Gladys" as a Southern
gentleman would .....
Curious I must say.
I'll be back I'm sure after I research further.

Re: The rumors have persisted and been acknowledged by enough people for them to be mentioned inmany biographies. People knew Edgar Cayce in ordinary life. It was not that long ago, and whether they
began rumors to disprove his gift or to be a witch hunter, I don't know. I apologize for mentioning what I
assumed is a well known story about him. I should have begun that statement with "rumors of" or "alleged".
I have erased the statement of the affair as you have asked, without solid proof only hearsay. But thishearsay is from his own son, Hugh, whose comments and interviews have strived to create a real humanbeing out of his father, not so holier than thou angel.
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« Reply #311 - on: 17.11.2007 at 01:22 [UT] »Spiral: You mentioned, Harmon Bro's book, which I told you I've read, but can get it out of the Library again,
and believe, me it's not in there , what you are alleging!
However, you ALSO mention, "a halfway title, of "Charisma of".............
Are you referring to Bro's "Dissertation?"...........not a book???
And IF so, WHERE can this be seen??
Re: Turning to the Cayce movement, A. Robert Smith's biography of Cayce's son Hugh Lynn Cayce, About My
Father's Business, of necessity also describes the history of the ARE. For some reason Harmon H. Bro's doctoral
dissertation, Charisma of the Seer: A Study In the Phenomenology of Religious Leadership (1955, based on
research conducted in 1943-44) has never been published despite the fact that it is one of the highest-quality
Cayce writings in existence.

http://www.ciis.edu/cayce/FAQ2.html

P.S. - of course, I also own, the above mentioned book by Hugh Lynn "About My Father's Business", and canattest no such thing exists there either.
Awaiting for the correct "source" material.......
Reference:
Dr. Bro knew Edgar personally, as well as his son Hugh, and so it is not unlikely that they sharedpersonal memories and regrets of Edgar's life. We should include the bad with the good of any life we study as
an astrologer, never sugar coat it and present only one side.
What reason would Dr. Bro have to write anything untrue which would compromise his position as Cayce's
biographical scholar? A biographer and an astrologer must be objective, not have a hidden agenda to protect
or to tell vicious lies. Dr. Bro is the author of many books.
fraud or out to hurt him?

Wouldn't Edgar Cayce sense if this man was a

If you google this subject, you will find several references including the fact that Cayce's ARE Institute in
Virginia Beach have closed their wagons round this subject and taken it as their mission to strongly deny thisrumor, striving to protect the reputation of the man who has inspired their place of study and inspiration.
ALL OF THIS, WIthOUT EXCEPTION, would really be called, "Assumption" and "Innuendo", and PERSONAL
feelings of the writers, (yours or whoever else you have been googling )Of course there are many "Anti-Cayce" he's the Devil and Satan in Disguise groups, who unfortunatly litter theinternet with gossip and like minded souls.
Are these your "Source Materials??"

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« Reply #312 - on: 17.11.2007 at 01:37 [UT] »Tookie, you can find Bro's books on Amazon.com just as easily as I can, and you are the one who wants them,so you should do the work. Your demands that I do this or that will not fly with me. I am not the firstposter whom you have come into a thread like gangbusters against, with an angry attitude insisting on yourway. That is not my cup of tea, and I refuse to get into a heated debate with you here. I have given my booksources and the author and the page number.

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As a school librarian, who would insist more than I in the school research projects that the writer be certain of
his comments having a reliable source before including it in his conclusions?
I conclude that it must have
happened because I have read of it in too many places over the years. I first encountered Cayce's writings
while working in a bookstore in 1974, over 30 years ago. I remember what I have read and mark it down in
my memory as having been convincing enough to remember it. I have taken it out of this thread in respect
to your extreme objection. Please let it rest, and let me, also. I have proven my sincerity and hard work inresearch on this board in my posts that I have worked hard on to share with others.

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« Reply #313 - on: 17.11.2007 at 01:47 [UT] »This is the ONLY page numbers listed above you posted above from a book called, "Charisma........"And I cannot find anywhere that such a book was Ever published.... So it would be impossible to either buy
or read.
Here are ALL the books that Harmon Bro wrote and sold on Amazon: (no Dissertation exists because it wasnever published, (see my above link to this effect) LAST post........
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-7135446-9317248?url=searchalias%3Dstrip books&field-keywords=harmon+hartzell+bro+
Sorry, IF you took my insistence on accuracy as "gangbusters", it's not meant that way, just thatanyone can say anything in this day & age and have without proof behind it.
Sincerely,
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« Reply #314 - on: 17.11.2007 at 02:01 [UT] »I had taken the reference to Librarys and Librarians away, Spiral......no reference is there at all.
Again, as per my previous post, I apologized for getting upset, and EVEN explained to you the reason WHY I
did. Anyone would when it is something near & dear to their heart, such as accuracy in posts.
I don't think I've ever complained about anyone EVER on this site, nor do I intend to, regardless of what they
defend., as I mean no ill harm towards you at all. Simply a challenge to the material presented.
You can have the last word however...
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« Reply #315 - on: 17.11.2007 at 02:10 [UT] »I did not make it up, Tookies.
There are 39 books about Cayce by Bro on Amazon, each with some biographical material.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?ie=UTF8&rs=1000&keywords=Cayce%20by%
20Bro&rh=n%3A1000%2Ck%3ACayce%20by%20Bro&page=1
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referenced in footnote #60 on this page:
http://sociologyesoscience.com/esoterica/cbooks2.html

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« Reply #316 - on: 17.11.2007 at 02:21 [UT] »Thanks for the list. Most I've read.......except for June (his wife's book with Edgar Evans.....)and number 15"Begin a New Life".....or #36 written with his wife also.
It does appear however that AFTER the Cayces died, he enjoyed a long and profitable relationships with the
A.R.E. I already knew about the early days of treasure hunting, the desire to strike it rich, for others & himself,(who wouldn't?).....and leaving his wife Gertrude alone for many months at a stretch.
With Pluto conj. Algol of course he was no angel, but a man who struggled...........
He was criticized often for having a "roving eye".....by his sons as well as others. But, when it came to Gladys,........oh well why go there anymore?
we all will believe what we want to anyway.

Hope we can now, "bury the hatchet",
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« Reply #317 - on: 17.11.2007 at 04:01 [UT] »Normally, I'd never post behind you or to your friends, but I just wanted to say, I was "counting the minutes"
till you tailed me and showed up
maybe I'm psychic?? or just know human behavior well

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« Reply #318 - on: 17.11.2007 at 05:08 [UT] »Liliane, I'm sorry to ignore your question and your chart.

My attention has been diverted.

The ruler of your 8th and the ruler of your intercepted Capricorn are in your 12th. Normally, Mars with Saturncan be quite frustrating and denying, as if a race car must wait behind a bus to move, but because yourCapricorn is intercepted and not ruling any house by itself, it indicates that you have learned your lessons ofpatience and responsibility in the past life and do not need it front and center this time. This is also shown by
the two lovely planets, Venus and Jupiter, in Capricorn.
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So Saturn is ruling both of them,and placed in the 12th could be an opportunity for you in the spiritualstudies. One thing about Saturn you can always count on, wherever it is found, there is a lack there and afeeling that it must be paid attention to. It often becomes one of your greatest victories once you apply
yourself to Saturn's arena.
Mars conjunct Saturn in the 12th is also telling you that your energies must be disciplined there, you can't go
too fast and fly all over the place trying to get all the different subject all at once. Choose something thatinterests you, and dive down deep into it for awhile. Get a feel for the writers who are known for that subject,and choose one that will be your favorite. You can't read everything about a subject, but you can become
good in what interests you.
Do you feel a calling from inside yourself to study this, or are you trying to do what someone told you to?

Itshould be a solitude and quiet decision, as if you are realizing there is something behind that dark curtain,
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« Reply #319 - on: 17.11.2007 at 08:18 [UT] »hi spiralThankyou. What have been discussed here lately is very sensitive for me, since i've had extremely traumatic
experiences when trying to get therapeutic help. I've been recommending "Spiritual Vampires The use andmisuse of spiritual power" by Marty Raphael, Message Company, where she tells her story and lists thewarningsignals how to detect the misusing ones" and how to pick the Good therapist or Guru. I have beenworking a lot withmyself and what you state here is very accurate.
I'm standing at the crossraoads, this medium said that he was channeling my spiritual guide whenrecommending me to develop mediumship. But also my friends and famlily mostly are against or uninterested
in all this, and since i don't have much support and for the moment live alone with a dog after been in several
abusive/sicknessdependency relationships and trying to pick up my caréer as a singer andvoiceliberationshipleader that i lost in this process i wonder what Gtransiting my 12.th now approaching mysecond Greturn want to tell me. "End up lonely" as one astrologer said, "standing in the background" yetanother...Well i've been doing enough astrology now that i know you can't say anything definite from a chart
unless you're a psychic. Is standing on stage as a singer not possible to combine with a spiritual path? I want
to use my art in combination with astrology and other "divine"knowledege. I even think sometimes i cannot
have a relationship if i follow this path......
All this said is a reflection of my childhoodpattern of course. At the same time positive things happen, but it
feels like "dark forces" also pile up against me when i try to go forward in this. I'm extremely sensitive topowerabuse and perhaps sometimes see it where it's not. I also have no illusions about what any living person
seduced by power cannot do, or a powerless one.
I don't expect you to give any absolute answer to this. I will continue my quest. Tomorrow we will have a
Global Meditation for the entrance to the 5.th Night of The Underworld in the Mayan Calendar (happens to be
my birthday)
My life is full of synchronicities, my greatest wish would be to find a jungian analyst also interested in astrology
and spirituality just to tell my story to someone who can fully understand what i've gbeen through I havesearched here in Sweden, but they don't even work with synchronicity, and Suzanne Giezer who doctorated on
Jung and Wolfgang Pauli, had no personal experiences from synchronicities at all and didn't even notice when it
happened just in front of us when i talked to her. Now i´ve heard things have changed for her in that area.
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LilianeHakansson« Reply #320 - on: 17.11.2007 at 09:47 [UT] »Ex Memberhi again Spiral
Reagarding my intercepted signs and houses it depends on the housesystem..in another one i even have Iin
my first and so on
Barbara Hand says that and intercepted Oin the 10.th as i have would indicate that i have not been "giving mygift" of O in previous lifetimes, and that should go for Dand F too in that case, and that also the person
would feel the least developed in these areas, as it actually might be the opposite, you may gain the mostpossible development in the course of timeG.
She also states that 12.th houseE waining o 3.rd houseN may lead to an "unhappy life" with an extremely
service to the spiritual realms, displaying the "Job-complex" and that family, close friends and coworkers will notbelieve and will counteract what you see and try to teach in this life-time "Cassanddra-complex".
Of course i can affirm that this has been a pattern in my life, but i hope my wide hAo pluto reflects that i will
be able to break the pattern of powerabuse (that i've been exerting to a lesser degree myself) in this life-time.
Perhaps this should have been in the "read-my-chart-section" but since it's realated to the topic i hope it will be
useful to others as well. Personal is political is collective is spiritual.
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« Reply #321 - on: 17.11.2007 at 12:48 [UT] »It seems you have so many options in trying to reach one clear goal.
Your birthchart indicates that you should be making your own decisions, not allowing all of these influential
groups and personalties to lead you anywhere. A spiritual study is one taken alone in many respects. It is
not a social club.

But we all need each other to survive.

Pisces is the arena and Mercury/Neptune are the guides.
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To enhanceyour sensitivity to others, to feel their suffering, and to interconnect all things in an awesome beauty of the
Universe which works in synchronicity.
I can feel your Mars beating against your Saturn, as I'm sure you can.
slowly.

Slow down. Simplify.

It comes

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Hakansson« Reply #322 - on: 17.11.2007 at 14:05 [UT] »Ex Memberhi spiral thanks again
I just wrote two seconds ago in "the important fixedstarthread" that I MUST SLOW DOWN, as we all must in
the middle of this Dpassage to find KAIROS, the right moment. My traumatic past is haunting me now andmake me feel i'm in a hurry to be what my soul longs to be. I hope this is "The final count down".
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« Reply #323 - on: 17.11.2007 at 14:23 [UT] »hi spiral
Like it seems this forum also tend to become a social club sometimes;) Man needs man, but since i have thisneurotic relationshippattern i must find a balance, and spirituality should be shared i think. I'm not able to be
an eremit nun. If that's the option I prefer to try to be a good human than aspiring to be a "bad copy of asaint"
Life still goes on, i'm off to prepare tomorrows Global Harmonymeditation, actually have refrained from socialgroups for a long time now, sitting in my chamber studying the occult sciences, once in a while going to a
spiritual meeting, walking alone with my dog on "Paradisland". This Forum and the input from you guys has
been a very healing experience for me. I have repeated my patterns on a "safe distance" and i think this wasmeant to be
Like you say, i must learn to cooperate without giving up my own way NN in a, that seems to be my lesson
now, hope it's "Not too late for to learning" Go MC=.........the eternal student of heavenly knowledge pI and love and peace i hope i'll finally find within,so i can give it out to you (but i will still have to joke about it cMC)

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« Reply #324 - on: 17.11.2007 at 14:28 [UT] »Honey, I am too blunt and severe when I am being objective in looking at a situation.

For sure I was asecluded nun in my last life somewhere back there, no doubt about it. Look at my chart. You are doing abeautiful job of reaching out to people for instruction and ideas while being your own independent person, I
know that.

I think I'll take out some of those sentences above.

I am so happy that you are on this path of yours and so sincere in finding your best way.
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« Reply #325 - on: 17.11.2007 at 15:21 [UT] »hi spiral
I actuall y think it's all as it should be (and i'm sure i've been a nun too) if you're prepared to look at i that way.
Actually when i give advise, i myself sound more like a quote from a book sometimes..the only way of relatingis the one of "trial and error" and every single one of you are reflecting my own inner patterns, so i'm glad tohave this mirror
by for now Liliane
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« Reply #326 - on: 18.11.2007 at 05:46 [UT] »SPIRAL- Could my chart be considereed 'Neptunian'- with Neppy part of T-square/Moon ruler of all my d falls
in l- *& neppy angular?
< I am VERY 'perceptive'- from a child>ThanxMuch
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« Reply #327 - on: 20.11.2007 at 05:49 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 18.11.2007 at 05:46 [UT]:SPIRAL- Could my chart be considereed 'Neptunian'- with Neppy part of T-square/Moon ruler of all my< I am VERY 'perceptive'- from a child>d falls in l- *& neppy angular?

ThanxMuch
KristaSeems kind of Marsy,with a lunar flavor E in d, so the Moon would be important also I guess.

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Hakansson« Reply #328 - on: 20.11.2007 at 10:46 [UT] »Ex Member

Hi Krista
No doubt! We could all sing a Nep-Tune together in this thread
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« Reply #329 - on: 20.11.2007 at 12:50 [UT] »Krista, I'm sorry I forgot to come back to this thread. I wanted to tell you about your aspects in the book,"Astrology, A Cosmic Science" by Isabel M. Hickey, because I think her approach to spiritual questions in thechart is so unique. This older book from 1970 has been reprinted in paperback, I noticed, and I was so glad
to see it is still popular. Do you have it?

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Gender:Your Neptune is certainly in the bright red hot zone, square two and opposite one. Isabel sees hard aspects
to Neptune as needing to activate the opposite of Uranus energy, which she calls"willfulness", since it issatisfying personal needs. Neptune energy needs to be helping to fulfill the needs of others in order to functionsmoothly without so much suffering involved.
self away." (p. 191)

"Neptune's keynote is Sacrifice - the obligation to give one's

There is no reason for so many people to experience Neptune as sadness and suffering, when ..."Neptune's
inner nature is freedom and joy". I feel this vibe of fun from you, Krista, trying to overcome the opposite
emotions of the difficulties of life. Your Mars square your Neptune would intensify this energy, but ironically,
your Uranus conjunct Mars in the 12th would always make you aware that you are torn between satisfying
yourself and service to others. The solution here, if you can manage it, is to use your great will power tohelp others find joy and freedom.
Your Neptune in the 4th makes it much stronger for your awareness of "strange" vibes and picking up signals
from others. Here is an interesting statement from Hickey, who was born in 1903 and died in 1980 , having arather "new and alarming" view of Uranus and Pluto since her early studies knew little about their effects. Shesays of Uranus square Neptune: "It is too high a voltage for the average person to assimilate into their lives,and can bring much rebellion and self will, with chaotic emotional conditions."
Combine this, Krista, with some of the problems associated with Mars square Neptune, which is a karmic
aspect in so far as removing certain protections which Mars trine Neptune or sextile people are blessed with.
Here is the warning of the square:"Unless the individual learns to be honest and sincere with herself as well as others, this aspect can bringdifficulties. [especially when young and learning to recognize your weaknesses and overcome them] Deceit anddeception must be avoided. Misuse of psychic or spiritual forces in a past life need redeeming in this one.
Alcohol and drugs would be extremely detrimental to anyone with this aspect. The house ruled by Neptune
will show where deception and disallusionment could manifest." (p. 229)
This would be your 10th at 22 Pisces with Moon conjunct it in Pisces 17 degrees. Fortunately your North NodePotential is also there in the 9th in Pisces. You and I have similar cusps of our charts, Krista, although theplanets are very different. I also have a Pisces MC with Neptune in the 4th. We would rather be home when
we are at our career. But you have Jupiter in the 10th square that Mars/Uranus, so you have much more
ambition than I do. Again, you are lucky with your Moon/North Node in Pisces since they are trine your
Uranus/Mars, saving you from much worse circumstances there in the 12th.
I see the underlying theme of your chart as being freedom to do your own thing.

Venus conjunct South Nodeis always rather self indulgent, in Virgo perhaps with personal things you want to beautify your life, since
Mercury and Pluto are in the 2nd. Especially because your Taurus is intercepted in the 11th House of hopes anddreams.
You have seven placements on the left half of your chart, meaning you need to do things your own way, inspite of expectations of others. You and I have messed up some good career opportunities because they
didn't give us enough wiggle room.
Saturn on your 4th cusp contributes to your being confined at home at times, limited by others (*j on DC)
forcing you to be there, or else a mother complex at times. Saturn always operates later in life at its
taskmaster best, but here your spiritual and astrology interest can serve you to a great advantage, Krista,
because it is the quiet hours at home in solitude and reflection where you gain the most from their study.
With Saturn and Neptune both in the 4th, there is definitely a karmic challenge there for you. A traditional
pride in your family that expected you to do certain things that you might not have felt was the real you. With
this aspect, moving away from the area where you were born would be an opportunity to see yourself and yourlife more clearly.
Here is Hickey's final word on Saturn conjunct IC : "In the roots of the being, there has been a selfishness
which must be broken up or the dues will be collected in the latter part of life. This can be avoided if theindividual will put capital in her spiritual bankbook from which she can draw. She must give herself away inservice to others, and give up a basic selfishness that lies hidden in the depths of her being."
Krista, Neptune vibes can always overcome Saturn vibes. Saturn karma is tough, but the spiritual love of
Neptune, if it is applied to helping others, will satisfy Saturn in its severe judgement. Your Uranus/Marssquare Neptune and your Jupiter opposite it have the potential for you to activate Love.
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LilianeHakansson« Reply #330 - on: 20.11.2007 at 13:13 [UT] »Ex Member

Hi Spiral
Seems like the theme i repeating itself here with G the taskmaster delaying Iian development. Could i ask
you to compare the the chart of Krista with mine and try to see differences and similarities?
Seems like we have things in common, no children, joking spirit combined with Iian wish to help but also therisk of delude/being deluded.. My tounge thogh is much sharper than Kristas, she seems to be liked byeverybody, while i easily end up in conflicts...i know why
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« Reply #331 - on: 20.11.2007 at 15:36 [UT] »This is always the greatest challenge of Neptune, isn't it, to stay grounded in reality while reaching for thegreatest heights of inspiration and Agape Love in serving others.
Liliane, those with strong Neptunes must always be willing to sacrifice the trust of others at times. There is
not a certainty that those of a more cautious or cynical bent can feel secure in with Neptune people. Just
accept it as going with the territiory of your chart.
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Gender:Comparing your chart to people with strong Neptunes will help.

Reading their biographies of how theystruggled to separate those who would deceive them from those who would be the correct direction to go isenlightening. You make a good point, that maturity is what will help the influence of Saturn with Neptune ina sign or a house.

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Hakansson« Reply #332 - on: 21.11.2007 at 12:04 [UT] »Ex Memberhi spiral
You said something that resonated strongly in me: "Sacrificing the trust of others", now i can see the"meaning" of that. Crucifixtion with extremely strong syncronistic events, powerabuse/manipulation anddeslusion/deception has been main themes in my life.
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