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One for Buffy/Angel fans (Read 277 times)

Penguin Trauma
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One for Buffy/Angel fans
« on: 16.03.2009 at 19:38 [UT] »This is for anyone who has avidly watched all the Buffy/Angel series
I was wondering - seeing as Buffy Summers had died (end of Series 5) and then, around 8 weeks later(beginning of Season 6), she was resurrected by Willow, Xander, et al, would she have ended up with a different
birth chart, for the moment she came back to life, or would she still be using her 'original' one?
In the series, she mentions that she is a "Capricorn on the cusp of Aquarius", so I wonder if that would havechanged???
Same thing goes for Darla, she was originally killed by Angel, and then Wolfram & Hart decided to bring herback as a human (in the Angel series), but with the same conditions she had when she was human the first timeround (she had syphilis). Same thing probably apply??
Also, do you think that Angel and Spike had got a new 'birth' chart when they become sired into vampires, orat the moment they regained their souls, would they have got one then? Or would that just be transits?
Food for thought - Angel would have possibly had a full Neptune and Pluto return! Seeing as he is over 220
years old!
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Quinn

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« Reply #1 - on: 16.03.2009 at 19:42 [UT] »well i am overwhelmed and clueless at the same time...big fan of both...more so of angelis there info on the characters births in any memorablilia stuff? i know someone did a book on the philosophyof the series but haven't read it
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« Reply #2 - on: 16.03.2009 at 19:49 [UT] »You see those are the reasons why I would never take any vampire and resurrected human as client if I was an
astrologer.
Otherwise if someone gets in the state of clinical death and gets resusciteted do we consider that the beginningof a new life or a transit experience? I guess it's a matter of taste. Both ways are possible, just like in the caseof vampires, althoguh here with bigger emphasis on a new birth chart since they are reborn in a new quality.
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Quinn

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« Reply #3 - on: 16.03.2009 at 19:53 [UT] »yes but what if the transformation is shown in the birthchart and it's a change from negative to positive
expression??? or maybe it shows under progressions
or maybe..just maybe..their sideral chart shows their soul side but the western natal is the evil bit
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Penguin Trauma
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« Reply #4 - on: 16.03.2009 at 20:24 [UT] »I can't seem to find anything on a date of birth for the characters. I have managed to find out the years:
Buffy - born somewhere between 19th - 21st January 1980 (I would have thought, given airing of the series),
resurrected 2001
Angel - born 1727, sired 1753, regained his soul in 1898
Anya - born 860, became a Vengeance demon in 880 (how many Uranus, Neptune and Pluto returns?!!!

)Spike - born 1874, sired 1880, regained soul 2002 (he mentions that he is 126 years old in Season 4 aired
2000)
Darla - birth year unknown, sired 1609, resurrected 2000
Cordelia - born May 22nd (her birthday was the office lock combination in the Angel series!) 1980
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nexus7

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« Reply #5 - on: 16.03.2009 at 20:40 [UT] »I should think it would be fascinating to get an 'interview with a vampire.' They would live - or rather, unlive
long enough to expereince Pluto and Neptune returns, for example!
I am more of a Dracula and early Anne Rice buff myself then, but I should think a chart set up for Buffy might
be interestng. Did she bcome a vampire herself?

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Quinn
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« Reply #6 - on: 16.03.2009 at 21:34 [UT] »found this on angel...site called the buffy guide or something similarAngel the human was born in 1727 with the name Liam. Angel the vampire was "born" in 1753, making him
246 or 247 in vamp years (these are the dates given on Angel's tombstone in flashbacks of the Angel episode"The Prodigal"). In 1898, he killed the daughter of a Romany (Gypsy) tribe, and the tribe cursed him byrestoring his soul; from then on he suffered with guilt over the acts he had committed as a vampire.

edit....there's a buffywiki
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Penguin Trauma

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« Reply #7 - on: 17.03.2009 at 00:42 [UT] »Hey many thanks for the Buffywiki link, it's brilliant!
It gives a year of birth for the characters (was trying to guess from release dates, UK being different to US - itgets confusing, and maths is not my strong point Cl o I)
But yes, I see she was born in 1981 and died aged 20 in 2001, then got resurrected 147 days later.
Nexus7, funnily enough, there was one episode where she did turn into a vampire. Everyone's dreams - ornightmares - were manifesting into reality, and Giles (her Watcher) had always feared that Buffy would turn into
one. The episode showed her dead and buried, then emerging from the grave as a Vampire, and still a Slayer!
I've done a chart for her, please feel free to rectify it if you have any other ideas!
In this one I put her as Scorpio rising, with Pluto in the 12th - indicating her destiny, with things that go bumpin the night! Also Leo MC and North Node.
Saturn and Jupiter tightly conjunct in her 11th indicating that she is intended to be the sole Slayer of thegeneration, therefore alone and isolated amongst her peers (well, until Faith, another Slayer, arrives!).
Mars conjunct the IC, and trine Pluto - indicating inherited combative powers and strength to kill vampires. She
comes from a long line of Slayers after all!
Chiron in 7th conjunct the DC, trine Venus - indicating her relationships with Angel and Spike - vampires with asoul who suffer eternal torment and guilt from their vampire days. They can't heal themselves, but they cansave others.
And of course, 29° Capricorn Sun!
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« Reply #8 - on: 17.03.2009 at 07:41 [UT] »Very good, Penguin. She must have been born at night..with Moon as the highest planet in the chart!

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Doh-Ray-Me

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« Reply #9 - on: 17.03.2009 at 09:50 [UT] »For me Buffy the character is some mixture of Leo, and then Aries and/or Libra. I remember someone saying
her, on live journal or both that a fair few of the characters in Buffy could be Aries and that a lot of the actors
and people involved in it were. It's quite interesting to think of characaters that really don't seem like Aries to
see them afresh if they were sun Aries.
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« Reply #10 - on: 17.03.2009 at 10:12 [UT] »Don't know - do their personalities and focus' change significantly enough for us to say that they must have a
new chart. Has their deaths/re-soul/siring had significant Pluto transit that would re-orient their lives?
And what about Angel swapping between Angel and Angellus - 2 personalities in one body - the sired and there-souled and not much to do with the original Liam personality which seemed very Venusian - pleasureseeking.

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Penguin Trauma

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« Reply #11 - on: 17.03.2009 at 11:14 [UT] »Hey thanks Ramez!
Also realised, her packed third house seems pretty apt too - she does seem to love coming out with witty puns,
especially when killing vamps!
Quote: "You smell this bad when you were alive?"
Doh-Ray-Me - funny you should say that, a lot of the actors are Aries IRL! The rest seem to be made up ofother Cardinal signs. Buffy, Xander, Willow, Anya and Drusilla are all a, Dawn is g, Faith and Tara are j,
Cordelia is d.
Then Angel and Darla are both b, Spike is e - seems like the Fixed signs like to play vampires, demons, likee Lorne, and werewolves like k Oz.
Both Watchers - Giles and Wesley are l. Angel Investigations, Fred is i, Gun is f. Makes sense as they are
all researchers.
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Penguin Trauma
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« Reply #12 - on: 17.03.2009 at 11:33 [UT] »Rookish, it does sound like a big whammy of a Pluto transit I agree, J being all about transformation, when
they get sired - maybe that would be the transit for the actual act itself.
But I do reckon that they may end up with a different chart as well, as they seem to go through a marked
personality change.
For instance Spike/William, as a human, was highly sensitive, unassuming, quiet, shy and retiring, wrote a lotof poetry and devoted to his mother - seemed very Piscean or Cancerian, but I would say more like a Pisces A.

Then when he was sired into a vampire, he did display a lot of the "darker" Aquarius traits, cocky, arrogant andswaggering, likes to provoke, delinquent, highly rebellious, even with the other vampires, also very constant,very much like a Fixed sign, especially with Drusilla.
So maybe he either acquired a 'new' Sun sign at the time of 'rebirth' as a vamp, or as Quinn said earlier, maybe
his chart 'switched' from Western to Sidereal.
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« Reply #13 - on: 18.03.2009 at 10:54 [UT] »Peguin
It is always fun to speculate on these things.
The actress who plays her looks a Venusian butter-could-not-melt-in-your mouth - very pure. And veryrighteous - I'd have put Saturn and Jupiter on her Ascendant myself - self-styled judge and executioner, bit of amadam really. I have to fess up on this one though, I just never got into Buffy. so could not comment on her
one-liners. On the face of it, being a vampire slayer would need some good doses of Mars as well as Pluto.

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Interestingly, garlic, the traditonal remedy for vampires, is a blood thinner and also a powerful nartural
antibiotic - sort of a blunderbuss for immunity against any kindof undermining ills in this respect, and it is'ruled' my Mars. The other tool of the trade, the stake - well, say no more.....
How does the character justify her job. Does she see it as some kind of a duty, stemming from a strong senseof right and wrong, or is she more a 'save the world' type?

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« Reply #14 - on: 18.03.2009 at 11:25 [UT] »She's born and it is her destiny to be a slayer and it can be a heavy burden because she is also like a beacon forthe people surrounding her, and that mix of strong yet vulnerable emotionally and she doesn't get to live likean ordinary teenager. She even chooses two Vampires as lovers, albeit 'reformed' in some way - Angel iscursed with a soul and I think Spike 'chooses' to behave differently and gets a soul..........is that right? The
others around her choose to follow her. Faith, another slayer, gets a bit homicidal and overdoses on her power
ie not just killing vampires and demons, so I guess Buffy has strength to hold it together but often you follow
her struggle her choices and the ramifications. Saturn is there somewhere, so perhaps Capricorn is better thanAquarius. But Aquarius to save the world sounds right too _ Aquarius is fixed so can hold tight to beliefs
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especially in world freedom matters against all the odds.
There is an academic text about Buffyworld - it looks at the gender stuff with slight young girl having immense
power and beating up big bad supernatural vampires mostly male but some female. Interesting that this kindof imagery of the superwoman/girl is quite prevalent in Hollywood/US/SciFi offerings over the last 10 years.

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SunSagMoonLib

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« Reply #15 - on: 18.03.2009 at 12:36 [UT] »Quote:
Interesting that this kind of imagery of the superwoman/girl is quite prevalent in Hollywood/US/SciFi offerings over the last 10 years.

Hi Rookish, I agree there are heaps of TV dramas and films that have women being empowered and kicking
the living daylights out of some bastard of a man. Political correctness run riot.
Not that it upsets me to see women being depicted as strong and capable, I'm all for it, I don't mind a bit ofBuffy, but it gets really boring when you can see the way a drama is heading from early on, and you knowsome five foot nothing 100lb girl is going smash the living daylights out of a bloke twice her weight andfearsome enough to make normal men tremble, and that's the main thrust of the story. Predictable andcondescending and oh so improbable.
Usually whenever I see these sorts of storylines on free-to-air TV or in videos unless they're particularly welldone I feel conned, like I've been forced to swallow someone else's quack-medicine and instead of a wellcrafted piece of entertainment I've been hawked someone's social agenda.
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« Reply #16 - on: 18.03.2009 at 14:45 [UT] »I agree it Buffy gets formulaic and I never watched them all, but they seem to blend into each other for me.
I'm rather intrigued that it runs, is popular, and seemingly especially with males - something to do with thedominatrix but in a young girls body? - but is patently so completely unlikely. At least with Xena she was built
in a way that it could be believable that she had fighting strength. So is it about actually doing something
about the bad in the world with a kick and a team, while the rest of us sit and watch at home - good vs evil andthat women can do it too? About evil being identifiable. And then with Spike and Angel and even Willow andthe wolfboy (can't remember the name), where good and evil cross over in the same person so it is no longer
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easily identifiable, and the issues of Doyle not wanting Cordy to know he's a demon because of perception etc,
Cordy getting demonic and Fred becoming Illyria who is bad but becomes good (that Fred had lots of changes
from wild to civilised).
Also this series is inspired by Joss Whedon a geeky man - so it's hard to see that it would fit the feminist
agenda directly, just the turning of set ideas on it's head - girl-strong, vampire-good, etc.
I prefer Angel to Buffy, but I think that is probably related to my age (ie not in school) and the gender of thelead (Taurus Sun male). And once again we're at a strange place - the all action hero, there to save humanity
but damaged and having issues with dealing with individuals, with a softer side and a need to atone that cannever reach bliss for fear of a curse but that can go off the rails and dark, but we still love him and even when
he isn't the leader he is. A triumph of appearances over all the things he's ever done. Highly Neptunian
perhaps. The issues that are explored are rather Neptunian as well - spirituality, free will, other worldliness etc

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Penguin Trauma

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« Reply #17 - on: 01.04.2009 at 18:24 [UT+1] »In today's news - Ae Andy Hallett, who played Lorne in the Angel series, has died of heart problems, aged
only 33.
Very sad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7976513.stm
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Quinn
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« Reply #18 - on: 01.04.2009 at 19:36 [UT+1] »gutted...really liked his charactertis sadhe's very young to have passed on
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« Reply #19 - on: 01.04.2009 at 19:40 [UT+1] »Dolly Parton, a Capricorn owns the Buffy show.

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« Reply #20 - on: 01.04.2009 at 20:20 [UT+1] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 01.04.2009 at 18:24 [UT+1]:
In today's news -Ae Andy Hallett, who played Lorne in the Angel series, has died of heart problems, aged only 33.

Very sad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7976513.stm

Oh no! My fav character. So was Doyle. The actor died at his thirty-something too.
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