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Pixie Vixen
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« on: 02.11.2008 at 19:56 [UT] »Alright, so as someone who a student, as we all are of the wonderful and very fascinating subject of Astrology, I
have always wondered what in a person's "Astrological" makeup might incline them to try, like and engage inactivities that might include elicit substances or perhaps simply alcohol- more than once, but not necessarily"an addict" of either;
I have read, in various places, that one with a 4th house I might be more inclined than others to drink alcoholand possibly become a person who drinks it a lot or often, maybe eventually becoming an "alcoholic" or labeled
as some; so, does having an afflicted or I in detriment contribute to this or can someone just with a perhaps
oddly placed I be more inclined than someone without to do this?
Does this also include elicit substances such as marijuana, x, meth, coke/crack and other things of the sort- or
do we have to look elsewhere to maybe try to help figure out if a person is more likely to do it than someone
without this sign in a planet in a certain house maybe with interesting aspects with others;
Maybe a certain transit triggers an urge in someone to do something/try something they might not have
before? I personally know, as you all probably do, the concept labeled as peer pressure and I know thatcertainly can contribute greatly, also if others are doing so as well- but maybe you have something strange
passing over your natal I or maybe I in the sky has o one of your major personal planets?
Mm, I do know that, for addiction with drug substances, one can look to the 12th- but what if it's not anaddiction, merely something you engage in every so often for fun with friends but not something you would
normally do on a day to day basis?
So what is there another house, besides the 12th (and maybe the 4th) that we can look to try and see if we canfind a possibility of a source of why one would put substances in one's body or drink a good amount of alcohol?
Would it maybe be the 8th? I only say so because in the past I have engaged in a number of "activities" (never
was an alcoholic or a drug addict mind you, simply did it for recreational fun) and I have many planets in the
8th, so could I maybe find an answer if I looked there?
So, what do you all think or, if you choose to share, what have you experienced in the past with looking at yourown natal chart (if you do these kinds of things) or when you experienced a certain transit?
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« Reply #1 - on: 02.11.2008 at 20:37 [UT] »hi pixie vixen,
I think maybe for addiction i would say the earth signs ,mainly as the need for stability?
and dependence. a person who I know is an alcoholic has cap rising,virgo sun and taurus moon also I know
quite a lot of other virgo suns who have an addiction to alcohol.I would say as far as curiosity in trying newthings it would be gemini. I think most of these people who I've known have had the virgo planets in aspect toneptune in sag and same for the gemini ones,so perhaps for my generation ,c f l planets in tight aspect to
I in i would be a contributor?
I myself have neptune opposite sun and venus ,its also square mars and saturn in virgo.I've dabbled in drugs
quite alot in the past through curiousity although alchohol I tend to sometime use as an escape from stressor if I have something on my mind. never been addicted to any substance, can't even get addicted totobacco.for me it has to have some positive effect for me to want to do it,I'm always thinking "what am I goingto get out of doing this?"Back to top

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« Reply #2 - on: 02.11.2008 at 20:46 [UT] »Quote from Multiple on 02.11.2008 at 20:37 [UT]:
hi pixie vixen,
I think maybe for addiction i would say the earth signs ,mainly as the need for stability?
and dependence. a person who I know is an alcoholic has cap rising,virgo sun and taurus moon also I know quite a lot of other virgo suns
who have an addiction to alcohol.I would say as far as curiosity in trying new things it would be gemini. I think most of these people who
I've known have had the virgo planets in aspect to neptune in sag and same for the gemini ones,so perhaps for my generation ,planets in tight aspect toinwould be a contributor?

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I myself have neptune opposite sun and venus ,its also square mars and saturn in virgo.I've dabbled in drugs quite alot in the past throughcuriousity although alchohol I tend to sometime use as an escape from stressor if I have something on my mind. never been addicted to any substance, can't even get addicted to tobacco.for me it has to have somepositive effect for me to want to do it,I'm always thinking "what am I going to get out of doing this?"

Glad to see someone already responding, hurray!

Hm, as far as earth signs go... well, let's see- I personally only know of one person, well two, whom possibly
dabble in things of this nature, one is a bA whom doesn't have very much earth in them and the other is ahA who has many h planets in her but with a fB; as far as myself, I have a f ascendant, jI (in the 4th,heh), bE and T-K, but not much else.

Yes, alcohol- I used to use it *too* much to escape from stress/anxiety, I no longer drink nearly as much as I
used to, but I can see how I am in a family where alcoholism does run.
That's interesting, thanks for bringing that earth idea up.
Yes, c for possibly trying new things- I believe my brother has smoked weed and definitely had a drink, but it
seems that he is much more likely to not *almost* become addicted to, at least drinking, like I;
Mm, jI in the 4th which p my bE, p my ascendant- so perhaps that is why I have that in me? And also,
possibly of course, that house placement- although, it is on the cusp of the 5th, hm.. I wonder how that could
possibly work into things.
Oh yes, I see how it could play with you and those aspects- you seem to have more aspects with I than I (notto say that you could maybe like it more than me, or do it more than me or whatever but).
Yes, I do think that too- the whole wondering what I'm going to get doing it, honestly... for me personally,
perhaps I will get the happiness for while I'm doing whatever it is, but after... I don't see myself getting much.
What house is your I in?
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« Reply #3 - on: 02.11.2008 at 21:23 [UT] »yea neppy is in my 7th.on the ascendant / descendant line. I get the whole feeling happy /elated thing when
I'm drunk and I guess its probably just a form of cheering myself up more,mainly drink alone these days soreally perhaps i do it so i enjoy my own company more and so i wont be quite so miserable,althoughsometimes I get a little emotional. the only thing perhaps I could have seen myself get addicted to is cocaine,mainly because of the confidence boost it has given me but the long term effects of the drug and the negativeside effects are not worth the risk in regular use. I did go through a phase a few years back of trying legal
herbal remedies which are supposed to lift my mood but none of them really worked too well.
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« Reply #4 - on: 02.11.2008 at 21:59 [UT] »Quote from Multiple on 02.11.2008 at 21:23 [UT]:yea neppy is in my 7th.on the ascendant / descendant line. I get the whole feeling happy /elated thing when I'm drunk and I guess its
probably just a form of cheering myself up more,mainly drink alone these days so really perhaps i do it so i enjoy my own company more
and so i wont be quite so miserable,although sometimes I get a little emotional. the only thing perhaps I could have seen myself get
addicted to is cocaine, mainly because of the confidence boost it has given me but the long term effects of the drug and the negative side
effects are not worth the risk in regular use. I did go through a phase a few years back of trying legal herbal remedies which are supposed
to lift my mood but none of them really worked too well.

That's interesting, the 7th- all my inner family except me has a 7th house I, but none of them really dabble inthis sort of thing.
I get happy too, but lately I've been almost a "depressed drunk" after a while, if that makes sense-I
don't like how it's effected me this year when I do drink, so I do it less often than I would in the past. It might
be the temporary effect it has on my medications I am taking every day.

I've tried coke before and didn't really like it that much- it's nice to have the "up" and then sudden 30 minutes
later "down", but if I want a high I don't want to have to do something over and over again in a night. The
one drug that I might have a problem with if I ever dabbled in it again is meth- my friend had a BIG problem
with it, very addicted; we did it together at times, but I never purchased it/owned it myself, but if I did.. who
knows what would have happened. Meth is *way* too powerful a drug.
Yes, it is bad what it can do it to you afterwards- the "coming down" stage
body in general, as temporary as coke maybe (I've only tried it once).

- and also what it does to yourI've never tried herbal remedies for mood and such, they say there are good ones out there but I mostly justrely on my medicine to do that.

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« Reply #5 - on: 02.11.2008 at 22:13 [UT] »Meth is just a really bad drug...I wouldnt put the word powerful near such a drug, ever! I actually think theword poison, suits meth , a lot better. So i personally dont know if we can look to this drug in particular, cosman, its dodge eventually for everyone

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« Reply #6 - on: 02.11.2008 at 22:19 [UT] »Quote from Manic Organic on 02.11.2008 at 22:13 [UT]:Meth is just a really bad drug...I wouldnt put the word powerful near such a drug, ever! I actually think the word poison, suits meth , a lot
better. So i personally dont know if we can look to this drug in particular, cos man, its dodge eventually for everyone

It is a "bad" drug, but for recreational use, if you choose to do so, it can be fun; I do not do this drug anymore,
but dabbled in it and such, I did it enough though to know that it is indeed powerful.
A "drug" is a drug, so anything is up for discussion.

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« Reply #7 - on: 02.11.2008 at 22:21 [UT] »From what I've seen an emphasis on the twelfth house, for escapism and aspects such as squares or opposition
between neptune and the moon. I had a relationship with a long time heroin addict who had three planets in in
his twelfth house-moon, jupiter and saturn. Our composite chart had a square between neptune which was in
the 12th and the moon, which from what I read indicated problems such as drugs or psychological issues where
one person tried to help the other. On the other hand I ended up using right along with him for a few years,
finally getting clean after we separated and I don't have any twelfth house placements and have a trine between
neptune and the moon. I think that perhaps some people may have a predisposition to drug abuse....

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« Reply #8 - on: 02.11.2008 at 22:26 [UT] »Quote from That Aquarius chick on 02.11.2008 at 22:21 [UT]:From what I've seen an emphasis on the twelfth house, for escapism and aspects such as squares or opposition between neptune and themoon. I had a relationship with a long time heroin addict who had three planets in in his twelfth house-moon, jupiter and saturn. Our
composite chart had a square between neptune which was in the 12th and the moon, which from what I read indicated problems such as
drugs or psychological issues where one person tried to help the other. On the other hand I ended up using right along with him for a few
years, finally getting clean after we separated and I don't have any twelfth house placements and have a trine between neptune and themoon. I think that perhaps some people may have a predisposition to drug abuse....

Hm, yes 12th house- it's interesting; someone I know whom had an addiction problem with meth has a 12thhouse B (if that birth time is indeed somewhat accurate) and it would make sense I suppose.
I've dated addicts before, briefly, but unfortunately I do not know their birth times nor talk to them anymoreso.

BpI, the guy I'm dating has that and he has indeed dabbled in drugs and still drinks at times now, though
not as much as he said "he used to", so. He has a 12th house D and a C on the cusp of the 12th, and I
believe.. well.. he has tried more "psychedelic" drugs and I have tried more "hardcore" ones or something.

My 12th is e but it is empty- right now technically I suppose transiting T-K, N and I are opposing thatempty house, but it has been for a while now so I don't see that it could possibly help to indicate that.
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« Reply #9 - on: 02.11.2008 at 22:35 [UT] »yea I think my dad has neptune in the 7th, I don't know for sure on either of my parents as they don't know
their birthtime's .but I'm pretty sure he has aries rising. he doesn't really drink that much either,justoccasionally.
I'm considering giving up drinking, although I could do with something for when I get in that mood.knowing
me I'll probably find something else to replace it. I really would like to shift this beer belly I have and I hate thehangovers I get,plus the really bad interrupted sleeping patterns.
cocaine is something I've only done when out with other people, did it a few times in a party setting, I don't
like the idea of doing it in a regular casual way. i've done ketamine before but wasn't too impressed (I think I
only took a low dosage) also used to do mdma and ecstacy .which again I personally found good for parties but
its not really advisable for much else.
I'm curious to try hallucinogens ,never done them before but many people have told me they have had someamazing experiences on them.the only slightly hallucinogenic thing I have tried is salvia which was ok, but it
was more like a weird experience,rather than a relaxing experience.
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« Reply #10 - on: 02.11.2008 at 22:55 [UT] »Quote from Multiple on 02.11.2008 at 22:35 [UT]:
yea I think my dad has neptune in the 7th, I don't know for sure on either of my parents as they don't know their birthtime's .but I'm
pretty sure he has aries rising. he doesn't really drink that much either,just occasionally.
I'm considering giving up drinking, although I could do with something for when I get in that mood.knowing me I'll probably findsomething else to replace it. I really would like to shift this beer belly I have and I hate the hangovers I get,plus the really bad interrupted
sleeping patterns.
cocaine is something I've only done when out with other people, did it a few times in a party setting, I don't like the idea of doing it in a
regular casual way. i've done ketamine before but wasn't too impressed (I think I only took a low dosage) also used to do mdma andecstacy .which again I personally found good for parties but its not really advisable for much else.
I'm curious to try hallucinogens ,never done them before but many people have told me they have had some amazing experiences onthem.the only slightly hallucinogenic thing I have tried is salvia which was ok, but it was more like a weird experience,rather than arelaxing experience.

Hm, yes I was nerdy and decided to find out their birth times (my parents)
tell me, at first he didn't know but.

- it took a while for my father toMm, alcohol- yes, it can be a bit difficult to stop completely or try to, or even limit the use (or it is for me atleast), but I think I've done pretty good; for me, it helps that most of my friends don't drink at all, really only
one does (around here) so kind of simple to avoid the use. I really hate hangovers too, I have a slight one andfeel off since last night was the first time I tried coke.
Kind of funny, my father with his 7th house I- he *has* l rising, so I guess you could say he is a I risingman- my Mom said when he was younger he smoked pot with her, but I don't think he was ever a heavy user ofanything.
For drugs and I, I would do it with that one friend and that's it- I do not trust anyone else's drugs if I don't
know where they came from, so when offered something different from a stranger I would most definitely
decline, or if just from a friend of a friend; I've definitely done it in a "party setting"- outside parties where you
camp/dress up/etc, but I did once make the mistake of taking a drug from a guy I was dating's friend and they
had really dirty meth- for days afterwards I felt beyond sick/miserable when the coming down never normallytakes that dang long.

I would always be afraid of having a bad trip, if I tried hallucinogens- I tried "G" once (a mild drug that can beused in bars for date-rape purposes), that was sort of like X/pot/alcohol all in one, that's the best I can describe
it. I did see these interesting stars laying on my friend's bed and felt drunk/dream-like, I have to admit it was avery I experience but.
I just saw a video of man on youtube doing salvia for the first time and it was funny to watch, but I'm not surewhat would happen if I tried (I am very curious thougha bad one if it doesn't turn out right.

). Yeah, it does seem like a weird experience- maybe

To trip, I've been told to be in a good, positive environment if I ever tried those types of drugs and to bearound friends, those you care about- think good positive things, vibes so you won't have a "bad trip".
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« Reply #11 - on: 02.11.2008 at 23:15 [UT] »Quote:To trip, I've been told to be in a good, positive environment if I ever tried those types of drugs and to be around friends, those you careabout- think good positive things, vibes so you won't have a "bad trip".

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Gender:I agree, but there are some drugs that are just not cool......meth is one....if you wanna know about powerful
drugs, try some ayahusca, or some dmt...or why not try a bit of mescalin, and do it in a sweat lodge
I wontallow someone who i know is still trying to get her head around it all, to tell me that meth is an ok andpowerful drug....cos its a money spinner, made in laboratory, and habitually has normal people ripping theireyes out.
If your gonna try a crap drug like meth, or a highly addictive one like heroin or crack
cocaine, then i can tell you, it doesnt matter how nice your environment is, the likely hood of you having a bad
trip, or come down is very high......
as for the astrology...ive had many drug taking expreinces and i put them down to my aqua placements, andmy uranus in the 10th. It became a bit like a career there for a while, trying to reach the other side......andother side i did reach....now i am moving onto my progressed pisces asc, and the sharing what ive seen andfound.......LOL

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« Reply #12 - on: 02.11.2008 at 23:17 [UT] »Quote from Pixie Vixen on 02.11.2008 at 22:55 [UT]:
Quote from Multiple on 02.11.2008 at 22:35 [UT]:
yea I think my dad has neptune in the 7th, I don't know for sure on either of my parents as they don't know theirbirthtime's .but I'm pretty sure he has aries rising. he doesn't really drink that much either,just occasionally.
I'm considering giving up drinking, although I could do with something for when I get in that mood.knowing me I'll
probably find something else to replace it. I really would like to shift this beer belly I have and I hate the hangovers I
get,plus the really bad interrupted sleeping patterns.
cocaine is something I've only done when out with other people, did it a few times in a party setting, I don't like the ideaof doing it in a regular casual way. i've done ketamine before but wasn't too impressed (I think I only took a low dosage)
also used to do mdma and ecstacy .which again I personally found good for parties but its not really advisable for muchelse.
I'm curious to try hallucinogens ,never done them before but many people have told me they have had some amazing
experiences on them.the only slightly hallucinogenic thing I have tried is salvia which was ok, but it was more like a weird
experience,rather than a relaxing experience.

Hm, yes I was nerdy and decided to find out their birth times (my parents)
know but- it took a while for my father to tell me, at first he didn't.

Mm, alcohol- yes, it can be a bit difficult to stop completely or try to, or even limit the use (or it is for me at least), but I think I've done
pretty good; for me, it helps that most of my friends don't drink at all, really only one does (around here) so kind of simple to avoid theuse. I really hate hangovers too, I have a slight one and feel off since last night was the first time I tried coke.
Kind of funny, my father with his 7th house

I- he *has* l rising, so I guess you could say he is a I rising man- my Mom said when he

was younger he smoked pot with her, but I don't think he was ever a heavy user of anything.
For drugs and I, I would do it with that one friend and that's it- I do not trust anyone else's drugs if I don't know where they came from,so when offered something different from a stranger I would most definitely decline, or if just from a friend of a friend; I've definitely
done it in a "party setting"- outside parties where you camp/dress up/etc, but I did once make the mistake of taking a drug from a guy I
was dating's friend and they had really dirty meth- for days afterwards I felt beyond sick/miserable when the coming down never normallytakes that dang long.

I would always be afraid of having a bad trip, if I tried hallucinogens- I tried "G" once (a mild drug that can be used in bars for date-rape
purposes), that was sort of like X/pot/alcohol all in one, that's the best I can describe it. I did see these interesting stars laying on myfriend's bed and felt drunk/dream-like, I have to admit it was a very

I experience but.

I just saw a video of man on youtube doing salvia for the first time and it was funny to watch, but I'm not sure what would happen if I
tried (I am very curious though). Yeah, it does seem like a weird experience- maybe a bad one if it doesn't turn out right.

To trip, I've been told to be in a good, positive environment if I ever tried those types of drugs and to be around friends, those you careabout- think good positive things, vibes so you won't have a "bad trip".

yea thats right , I hear in the right environment doing a trip can be a positive experience, the salvia was odd,
its quite crazy ,things go out of sync in your mind. for me ,time seemed to get altered.like I thought back to
the moment i inhaled and it was like the time in between got screwed around with. its not something you
would do in high doses frequently.its abit too mad to do regularly.I've done it in low doses often,like had arollup with tobacco and salvia and tried to relax with it but its not easy,its hard to concentrate on something
after taking it ,although when its starts to wear off there is this wonderful feeling of relaxedness,which is reallygreat,like if you get easily irritated (like I do
) things don't bug you,I found this quite good. I don't reallyagree with everyone putting those vids up on youtube, some of it is a little irresponsible ,its advised to take it
in a safe environment ,since you become quite curious of your surroundings and environment when high on
salvia.
something that I would like to try is ayahuasca . I've done alot of reading up on it. it's used by shamens inritual practices and is more like a spiritual experience rather than a drug.but it is very very intense, its like themost intense thing you can take in terms of tripping and I probably wouldn't be prepared enough for that.
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« Reply #13 - on: 02.11.2008 at 23:20 [UT] »[quote author=Manic Organic link=1225655795/0#11 date=1225667731]
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if you wanna know about powerful drugs, try some ayahusca, or some dmt...or why not try a bit of mescalin, and do it in a sweat lodgeL

heh you got there before me! yea dmt is something else which can be a positive experience I have heard. if you
are interested in that pixie you might want to read the book that was published on the study of dmt:
dmt - the spirit molecule by dr rick strassman
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« Reply #14 - on: 02.11.2008 at 23:29 [UT] »Quote from Manic Organic on 02.11.2008 at 23:15 [UT]:

I agree, but there are some drugs that are just not cool......meth is one....if you wanna know about powerful drugs, try some ayahusca, orsome dmt...or why not try a bit of mescalin, and do it in a sweat lodge

I wont allow someone who i know is still trying to get her

head around it all, to tell me that meth is an ok and powerful drug....cos its a money spinner, made in laboratory, and habitually has
normal people ripping their eyes out.

If your gonna try a crap drug like meth, or a highly addictive one like heroin or crack

cocaine, then i can tell you, it doesnt matter how nice your environment is, the likely hood of you having a bad trip, or come down is veryhigh......
as for the astrology...ive had many drug taking expreinces and i put them down to my aqua placements, and my uranus in the 10th. It
became a bit like a career there for a while, trying to reach the other side......and other side i did reach....now i am moving onto myprogressed pisces asc, and the sharing what ive seen and found.......LOL

Heh, meth as "not cool"- I don't really think of drugs as "cool" or "uncool"- but meth really *is* a powerful druglol, I mean have *you* ever tried it? (And when I mean, I mean try good, clean meth- not that dirty crap thatyou associate it with) I have tried numerous things in the past and I've never quite done a drug that has such a*grip on your mind* (in a way)- it's an experience that is truly indescribable to those who have never done it.
Meth is not a crap drug though, I do not know what kind of meth you've encountered but the kind I havesmoked in the past was very "clean" and not "dirty"- not the kind of crap that you find on the streets with thosewith little or no money, or who pawn themselves off to get more.
I've never done "crack" but I did try coke, there is a big, big difference between the two- I wouldn't try crack if
you paid me too. I've also never tried heroin and wouldn't touch it with a ten foot long pole; when it comesto "tripping" my dear, that is not what crack, coke, heroin, *or* meth does- to trip is associated withpsychedelic drugs and these are not.

If you want to associate something with, say meth, you would say "tweaking" or possibly "geeking out".
And coming down, well if you know how to treat your body, what to do and etc, to "come down" from thedrugs *I spoke of* then you wouldn't necessarily have as bad of a time as say someone who doesn't.
You will come down from any drug, almost any drug, that you try- whether it be a random burst of energy andthen a minor coming down off of a snort of coke, or an entire half day from smoking meth 8 hours earlier;As for tripping and a good environment- I meant drugs such as acid or shrooms, or perhaps other psychedelics.

Any drug can make you "rip your ears out"- well heh, I don't consider pot a kind of drug to make you want todo something ridiculous like that- but if a drug ever makes anyone do that it is dirty and shouldn't be messed
with, poorly/cheaply made.

Still trying to get head around it all?
are talking to on that note.

It is not a new experience to me at all, so I'm not quite sure who you

Mescalin, to me is no good- but that's just my personal preference.

Yes, k energies could do that, O- I have many p s with O, so maybe that's partly why I am so open toexperimentation with that.
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« Reply #15 - on: 02.11.2008 at 23:33 [UT] »[quote author=Multiple link=1225655795/0#13 date=1225668050]Quote from Manic Organic on
02.11.2008 at 23:15 [UT]:
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if you wanna know about powerful drugs, try some ayahusca, or some dmt...or why not try a bit of mescalin, and do it ina sweat lodgeL

heh you got there before me! yea dmt is something else which can be a positive experience I have heard. if you are interested in thatpixie you might want to read the book that was published on the study of dmt:
dmt - the spirit molecule by dr rick strassman

Ah, a psychedelic- I've never tried it before, but perhaps in the future, years down the line? I don't know
anyone who would even *have* any of that, whom I trusted so.
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« Reply #16 - on: 02.11.2008 at 23:51 [UT] »[quote author=Pixie Vixen link=1225655795/0#15 date=1225668811]Quote from Multiple on 02.11.2008
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Quote from Manic Organic on 02.11.2008 at 23:15 [UT]:
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if you wanna know about powerful drugs, try some ayahusca, or some dmt...or why not try a bit of
mescalin, and do it in a sweat lodgeL

heh you got there before me! yea dmt is something else which can be a positive experience I have heard. if you areinterested in that pixie you might want to read the book that was published on the study of dmt:
dmt - the spirit molecule by dr rick strassman

Ah, a psychedelic- I've never tried it before, but perhaps in the future, years down the line? I don't know anyone who would even *have*any of that, whom I trusted so.

yea I don't know anyone either who does this,I don't really like to throw myself in the deep end with these
sorts of things.but I do know that dmt is actually present in many things (even in a part of our own brains),it
can also be synthesized from types of regular grass. I have been tempted before in the past to do all the work
myself but I don't really trust myself enough to do that.its also apparently mushroom season soon and I've
been saying how I'd like to go picking sometime.but I think I'd rather want to go with an experienced picker,
rather than risk accidentally poisoning myself
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« Reply #17 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:03 [UT] »Quote from Multiple on 02.11.2008 at 23:51 [UT]:

yea I don't know anyone either who does this,I don't really like to throw myself in the deep end with these sorts of things.but I do knowthat dmt is actually present in many things (even in a part of our own brains),it can also be synthesized from types of regular grass. I
have been tempted before in the past to do all the work myself but I don't really trust myself enough to do that.its also apparently
mushroom season soon and I've been saying how I'd like to go picking sometime.but I think I'd rather want to go with an experienced
picker, rather than risk accidentally poisoning myself

Yes, it's nice to see someone else who likes to be knowledgable about a drug before taking a possible risk withit- that's how my friend taught me to be, research it, know it and learn it because you are putting it in*your* body and such.
I don't like to throw myself in the deep end either, which is why at parties in the past I have declined somany.
A mushroom? Hmmmm, can you find it all over Europe or just over there?

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« Reply #18 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:07 [UT] »I am noyt sure if lots of earth is a sign of addiction--I thought they were more grounded and liked to staywithin the senses of the earthly body, unless of course, a strong I in the chart was making them want totranscend normal states. But i can tell you who can`t handle their drink/drugs--people who lack earth in theircharts--they are not in touch with their bodies and it might be hard for them to know when to stop, unless ofcourse they have a strong G that gives them some self control. not to mention too fiery people--they should
stay away from the stuff(I know I am one) as it ignites them too much!
Too much water in the chart--now this is a red light for me(Curt Cobain, Ryan Adams)-these people aredrowning in their emotions which can not be expressed with normal means, they need the medium of music
and art --but alcohol and some drugs are much more common to help them find some relief.
I have read a research about this issue and they found out that indeed all I`s aspects to personal planets,
together with hard aspects from O to B, and G to A or B are the most predominant in alcoholics` charts. I
guess G is there cause it creates chronic depression in some individuals but O I have no idea why--may be
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Gender:cause when combined with the B it gives these highly charged, excitable moods- big ups and downs andpeople use drinks to balance them.
For me, I have a problem with drinking--when I start, it is hard to stop and can`t imagine going out withoutsipping some wine. and I had problems with addictions before but I have come out of them. My I is aspecting
about every planet in my chart
but all p q --still I am very Neptunian--so I dont think it matters what the
aspect I is making--just with theeasy ones, my addictions are not harming my personal life too visibly and ihandle them gracefully but for that reason I can keep abusing substances for too long unnoticably....
andwould not force my self to do much about it

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« Reply #19 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:17 [UT] »Quote from nerinea on 03.11.2008 at 00:07 [UT]:
I am noyt sure if lots of earth is a sign of addiction--I thought they were more grounded and liked to stay within the senses of the earthly
body, unless of course, a strong

I in the chart was making them want to transcend normal states. But i can tell you who can`t handle

their drink/drugs--people who lack earth in their charts--they are not in touch with their bodies and it might be hard for them to know
when to stop, unless of course they have a strong

G that gives them some self control. not to mention too fiery people--they should stayaway from the stuff(I know I am one) as it ignites them too much!
Too much water in the chart--now this is a red light for me(Curt Cobain, Ryan Adams)-these people are drowning in their emotions which
can not be expressed with normal means, they need the medium of music and art --but alcohol and some drugs are much more common
to help them find some relief.

I`s aspects to personal planets, together with hard aspects
G to A or B are the most predominant in alcoholics` charts. I guess G is there cause it create chronic depression in
O I have no idea why--may be cause when combined with the B it gives these highly changable moods- big ups andI have read a research about this issue and they found out that indeed all

O

B

from
to
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some individuals but

downs and poeple use drinks to balance them.
For me I have a problem with drinking--when I start, it is hard to stop and can`t imagine going out without sipping some wine. and I haveproblems with addictions before but I have overcome them. My

I is aspecting about everything in my chart

but allp q--still I amvery Neptunian--so I dont think it matters what the aspect is--just with easy one, my addictions are not harming my personal life too
visibly and i handle them gracefully.

Hm, that's something interesting to consider about the Earth element- perhaps this is true; I am not exactly avery "earthy" person to begin with, but I have a couple of planets plus my rising in it, along with asteroids, so I
don't consider myself completely without- or lacking that is. Now funny enough, my father is *no earth inhim* whatsoever and yet he has never had an addiction problem with anything (to my knowledge at least).
As far as fire goes, ah I know that all too well for I have a lot of fire in me
not a lot of aspects with it.

, on top of a 4th house I, but

Curt Cobain, I have studied his chart a bit and that water trine definitely contributed to his issues
me flip to the pages that discuss him in this book- mm, so much water in him- yes yes.

! Hm, letI in relation to personal planets, well I have it in relation to *1* personal planets, how many personal planets
do you have relation with that?

O to B, I have a soft aspect but not a hard one; G and A on my chart are too far apart to relate to one
another; G to B- that would be a s aspect I believe.
Oh yes, I've definitely read about G and chronic depression in people- I have horrid anxiety, no depression
though, but I can see how it could possibly maybe contribute to it- if I had more G aspects.
So tell me more about your I, what house and sign is it in?
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« Reply #20 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:23 [UT] ». Hi. I have neptune in the tenth conjunct the moon( scorpio), square mars from the eighth with Aries on thecusp of the fourth. My ascendant is capricorn and I have lots of Earth planets.
We have bigtime alcoholics in my family and both my brother and I have gone through periods of our lives ofgeneral sogginess. Both of us realized somewhere in our twenties that we would have to watch each other andkeep it under some kind of limit.
Mostly over the years I've had periods of absolute disinterest and then stretches where I was truly dependent. I
am not sure how I got into them or how I got out of them. After age 40 I mostly just lost the taste for it, andso did my brother. But..if red wine weren't health depriving, fattening and terrible for your skin I could have
easily become The Family Secret by now.
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« Reply #21 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:30 [UT] »Quote from Pixie Vixen on 02.11.2008 at 23:29 [UT]:
Quote from Manic Organic on 02.11.2008 at 23:15 [UT]:

I agree, but there are some drugs that are just not cool......meth is one....if you wanna know about powerful drugs, trysome ayahusca, or some dmt...or why not try a bit of mescalin, and do it in a sweat lodge

I wont allow someone who

i know is still trying to get her head around it all, to tell me that meth is an ok and powerful drug....cos its a money
spinner, made in laboratory, and habitually has normal people ripping their eyes out.

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drug like meth, or a highly addictive one like heroin or crack cocaine, then i can tell you, it doesnt matter how nice yourenvironment is, the likely hood of you having a bad trip, or come down is very high......
as for the astrology...ive had many drug taking expreinces and i put them down to my aqua placements, and my uranus in
the 10th. It became a bit like a career there for a while, trying to reach the other side......and other side i did reach....now
i am moving onto my progressed pisces asc, and the sharing what ive seen and found.......LOL

Heh, meth as "not cool"- I don't really think of drugs as "cool" or "uncool"- but meth really *is* a powerful drug lol, I mean have *you*
ever tried it? (And when I mean, I mean try good, clean meth- not that dirty crap that you associate it with) I have tried numerous thingsin the past and I've never quite done a drug that has such a *grip on your mind* (in a way)- it's an experience that is truly indescribableto those who have never done it.
Meth is not a crap drug though, I do not know what kind of meth you've encountered but the kind I have smoked in the past was very"clean" and not "dirty"- not the kind of crap that you find on the streets with those with little or no money, or who pawn themselves off to
get more.
I've never done "crack" but I did try coke, there is a big, big difference between the two- I wouldn't try crack if you paid me too. I'vealso never tried heroin and wouldn't touch it with a ten foot long pole; when it comes to "tripping" my dear, that is not what crack, coke,heroin, *or* meth does- to trip is associated with psychedelic drugs and these are not.
If you want to associate something with, say meth, you would say "tweaking" or possibly "geeking out".
And coming down, well if you know how to treat your body, what to do and etc, to "come down" from the drugs *I spoke of* then you
wouldn't necessarily have as bad of a time as say someone who doesn't.
You will come down from any drug, almost any drug, that you try- whether it be a random burst of energy and then a minor coming down
off of a snort of coke, or an entire half day from smoking meth 8 hours earlier;As for tripping and a good environment- I meant drugs such as acid or shrooms, or perhaps other psychedelics.
Any drug can make you "rip your ears out"- well heh, I don't consider pot a kind of drug to make you want to do something ridiculous likethat- but if a drug ever makes anyone do that it is dirty and shouldn't be messed with, poorly/cheaply made.
Still trying to get head around it all?

It is not a new experience to me at all, so I'm not quite sure who you are talking to on that note.
Mescalin, to me is no good- but that's just my personal preferenceYes,.

k energies could do that, O- I have many ps with O, so maybe that's partly why I am so open to experimentation with that.

Nah, I dont have a CLUE what im talking about...thats why I came to this thread
you are the mind expansion guru pixie, i dont think anything i say can assist the thread. (I would prefer to not
be ripped to pieces after the experiences i have had, I reckon I would rather share them with those who dont
want to outdo me)

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« Reply #22 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:33 [UT] »Quote from Pixie Vixen on 03.11.2008 at 00:03 [UT]:
Quote from Multiple on 02.11.2008 at 23:51 [UT]:

yea I don't know anyone either who does this,I don't really like to throw myself in the deep end with these sorts ofthings.but I do know that dmt is actually present in many things (even in a part of our own brains),it can also be
synthesized from types of regular grass. I have been tempted before in the past to do all the work myself but I don't
really trust myself enough to do that.its also apparently mushroom season soon and I've been saying how I'd like to go
picking sometime.but I think I'd rather want to go with an experienced picker, rather than risk accidentally poisoning
myself

Yes, it's nice to see someone else who likes to be knowledgable about a drug before taking a possible risk with it- that's how myfriend taught me to be, research it, know it and learn it because you are putting it in *your* body and such.
I don't like to throw myself in the deep end either, which is why at parties in the past I have declined so many.

A mushroom? Hmmmm, can you find it all over Europe or just over there?

yea certain ones (liberty caps) grow both here and over in north america. you are right ,its the best way toapproach these things to think about what you are going to do before you try it. I even got a booklet when i
was in my early teens about drugs so i could read up and understand them!

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« Reply #23 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:41 [UT] »you wanna find some unreal liberty caps....try the preselli mountains near haverfordwest in wales.....

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« Reply #24 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:42 [UT] »I do not think your chart is one of a potential substance abuser, just recreational
My I is in the 11th in very
tight p to A, B, D, E, --within one degree and q J.I mostly love to drink with friends.--11th house. My B
is oO--so another point there
and no earth to ground me!I,ve had a transiting InnatalB, qADE-forthe past year and another one to come! phew! I`ve been wearing my rose coloured glasses, listening to wistfull
music on my ipod alone at night, hugging a bottle of red and thinking of God
Waiting for this transit topass and gonna quit this spacy state! But life feels magical and glamorous with Neptune, excluding thesorrowful moments of self pity!
Which planet is your I aspecting? a personal one? I think you have earth to ground your self and not get
sucked in. Cause I is like the ocean-you go for a swim it is all fine till you try to step on the botton and findout it is not there! Is sucks you in unnoticably--that is why I is so dangerous...

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« Reply #25 - on: 03.11.2008 at 00:47 [UT] »Quote from nerinea on 03.11.2008 at 00:42 [UT]:My I is in the 11th in very tight p to A, B, D, E,
q J.I mostly love to drink with friends.--11th house. My B is oO--so another point there
and no earth toground me!I,ve had a transiting InnatalB, qADE-for the past year and another one to come! phew! I`ve been wearing my rose
I do not think your chart is one of a potential substance abuser, just recreational--within one degree andcoloured glasses, listening to wistfull music on my ipod alone at night, hugging a bottle of red and thinking of God

Waiting for thistransit to pass and gonna quit this spacy state! But life feels magical and glamorous with Neptune, excluding the sorrowful moments ofself pity!
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I is so dangerous...

me too...i have neptune in the 11th.....i can relate with the need to be amongst friends or groups whilst
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« Reply #26 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:07 [UT] »Quote from Manic Organic on 03.11.2008 at 00:30 [UT]:Nah, I dont have a CLUE what im talking about...thats why I came to this thread
you are the mind expansion guru pixie, i dont think anything i say can assist the thread. (I would prefer to not be ripped to pieces after
the experiences i have had, I reckon I would rather share them with those who dont want to outdo me)

I was merely correcting an error I saw that might be taken the wrong way if someone who had never tried
any drug, whatsoever, might think was correct.
My question was not whether I thought a certain drug was "crappy" or not, it was to ponder on where you
would find an individual's chart indications that they might be open to it.

Heh, I wasn't trying to rip you to pieces- I was merelydefending my stance against someone who was "dissing"what I had tried.

It's not a matter of outdoing or who knows more for I see that as an opinion rather than fact.

People can come here and say whatever they want to about drugs, but if I feel a certain way then I will express
it and you can too.

And I'm afraid you did not share anything with me other than you think meth is a "crappy" drug and thatpossibly you have k/O in you which would contribute to your own use; but this thread is not about "helping"it's about sharing what you *think*, not to tell someone a drug is bad or you shouldn't do this or whatever.
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« Reply #27 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:12 [UT] »Quote from Multiple on 03.11.2008 at 00:33 [UT]:yea certain ones (liberty caps) grow both here and over in north america. you are right ,its the best way to approach these things to think
about what you are going to do before you try it. I even got a booklet when i was in my early teens about drugs so i could read up andunderstand them!

Wow, a booklet- I've never come across one; I like to read up on things on www.erowid.org.

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« Reply #28 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:16 [UT] »Manic,
I know the thread is about substances but I would like to ask you how you have experienced you I in the
11th? Do u find you self a sucker for your friends? like I always promise I will hold my own position with thembut once in their company--I would stand on my head if they asked me to, and I totally love them but blindly,
sometimes I feel they use me but dont mind! and they are all quite glamourous. Have u noticed somethingsimilar;? Or may be your friends are atry, flighty, spacy types that love their substances? mind you that is thecase with mine
are they the ones that seduce you into drinking, getting high?

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« Reply #29 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:22 [UT] »Quote from GirlApophis on 03.11.2008 at 00:23 [UT]:. Hi. I have neptune in the tenth conjunct the moon( scorpio), square mars from the eighth with Aries on the cusp of the fourth. My
ascendant is capricorn and I have lots of Earth planets.
We have bigtime alcoholics in my family and both my brother and I have gone through periods of our lives of general sogginess. Both ofus realized somewhere in our twenties that we would have to watch each other and keep it under some kind of limit.
Mostly over the years I've had periods of absolute disinterest and then stretches where I was truly dependent. I am not sure how I got into
them or how I got out of them. After age 40 I mostly just lost the taste for it, and so did my brother. But..if red wine weren't healthdepriving, fattening and terrible for your skin I could have easily become The Family Secret by now.
Girl A

ImB, wow- I've actually never seen anyone's chart who had that, the guy I am dating has IpB, but;
anyway, in the 10th, hmm- that makes me think of people possibly drinking together at work or something

Cappy ascendant, I know many with that rising!

; ah, alcohol in regards to family- although I have never met

him since he died when my mother was only 11, my grandfather was an alcoholic, so I suppose it runs in myfamily too.
Heh, wine- I am not a big wine fan, personally I prefer liquor or a rather girly beer that has sugar in it
few mixed drinks (sometimes, at times they make me sick though).

, or aSo how does having I in the 10th play out in your life do you think?
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« Reply #30 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:27 [UT] »Quote:
Heh, I wasn't trying to rip you to pieces- I was merelydefending my stance against someone who was "dissing" what I had tried .

I am merely trying to defend my right to diss whatever i want, having the experience in as many drugs as i do.
....when you've taken the hard road, with no fear, and have travelled some of the routes others have no idea
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likes to be able to talk about the things they KNOW......I dont doubt your sure that the meth you had was"clean", i said that about certain acid trips until i tried, liquid lsd, made whilst timothy leary was running theshow. ....I just wish that you'd give kudos to those who have travelled the road for longer....like i have in mypast (this is the neppie coming into action), i really respected my elders when i took drugs, those that had
experienced more....and it served me too, cos they respected me right back, which made my journey expand
exponentially....lol
I really have a belief that drugs have served mankind...but the western world has no place for those who wantto journey....we dont give place in society, to those who journey and your average joe, wants to make moneyfrom it. I think any of the drugs, that serve to be an income for some fat slob, on his arse, who probably takes
nothing, already has bad karma in it, before you start.....so thats why i am against ice/meth, whatever ya wantto call it......Until you can experience a drug, thats not in that cycle, the i honestly dont think you know, howpowerful drugs actually are....
sorry for my rant, perhaps someone can tell me why i am so sensitive on this subject.....(astrologically)

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« Reply #31 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:31 [UT] »Quote from Manic Organic on 03.11.2008 at 01:27 [UT]:
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Heh, I wasn't trying to rip you to pieces- I was merelydefending my stance against someone who was "dissing" what I had
tried .

I am merely trying to defend my right to diss whatever i want, having the experience in as many drugs as i do.

....when you've taken

the hard road, with no fear, and have travelled some of the routes others have no idea about, then you kind of want to be able to havesome authority at some point......its a stupid need, but one likes to be able to talk about the things they KNOW......I dont doubt your surethat the meth you had was "clean", i said that about certain acid trips until i tried, liquid lsd, made whilst timothy leary was running theshow. ....I just wish that you'd give kudos to those who have travelled the road for longer....like i have in my past (this is the neppie
coming into action), i really respected my elders when i took drugs, those that had experienced more....and it served me too, cos they
respected me right back, which made my journey expand exponentially....lol
I really have a belief that drugs have served mankind...but the western world has no place for those who want to journey....we dont giveplace in society, to those who journey and your average joe, wants to make money from it. I think any of the drugs, that serve to be an
income for some fat slob, on his arse, who probably takes nothing, already has bad karma in it, before you start.....so thats why i amagainst ice/meth, whatever ya want to call it......Until you can experience a drug, thats not in that cycle, the i honestly dont think you
know, how powerful drugs actually are....
sorry for my rant, perhaps someone can tell me why i am so sensitive on this subject.....(astrologically)Your elders?
First off, I do not know your age and you do not know mine- perhaps somewhere you have seen my chart andsee that I am young (compared to some on this forum), but I have no idea how much older than you are incomparison to I;
I do not respect those who do not respect me my friend; I felt you had no respect towards me *for I* am theone who started this thread, not you- so therefore please be more respectful to those who start.

And I would number 1 say that to diss is rather immature, wouldn't you say? I'd say at any age if you write a
response to someone, who has started a thread about a subject, and you decide to almost attack a drug that
she hasn't outwardly agreed with but is not calling it childish names is *very* immature.
Age is nothing here, nothing at all.

And how much experience do you think I have with drugs, pray tell? And how do I know that you have thatmuch experience, from your responses- I am not psychic my friend.
You can be against meth all you want, but sweetie I know how powerful it is for I used it for years. I nearly
became an addict, so. My friend was an addict, I watched her go up and down all the time on it- I came up
on and down on it with her at times, so believe me when I say I know *I know*;
Believe whatever you want though, it is your call, but think again before you come at me with respect.
And I do know that it was clean because I did and weeks later, when I wasn't doing it, I was fine.
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« Reply #32 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:37 [UT] »Quote from nerinea on 03.11.2008 at 01:16 [UT]:Manic,
I know the thread is about substances but I would like to ask you how you have experienced you

I in the 11th? Do u find you self asucker for your friends? like I always promise I will hold my own position with them but once in their company--I would stand on my head
if they asked me to, and I totally love them but blindly, sometimes I feel they use me but dont mind! and they are all quite glamourous.
Have u noticed something similar;? Or may be your friends are atry, flighty, spacy types that love their substances? mind you that is thecase with mine

are they the ones that seduce you into drinking, getting high?

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...i just know for me, the whole scene

connected to the drugs i was taking was a big winner for me.....i was right into the psytrance music scene, it
spun into a whole way of life for me.....in using lsd and ecstasy i felt something similar to a global
consciousness, something that connected me to others.....it was physically and emotionally supportive...thedrugs seemed to support a nurture of the body, and mind.....i started looking into things that supported theplanet, my bosy my mind, and so did everyone around me.....
Its so hard to explain, its hard to seperate the whole enormity of what i experieced, into each planet andhouse....all of my chart connects to that time...lol...
I will guess though, that i grew into the group.....i wouldnt say friends have ever had much influence on what ido, an in this they didnt either......they just were there with me.
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« Reply #33 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:46 [UT] »Ok pix, what does powerful mean to you?
For me, when talking about drugs, i'd say it made me see more to allow me to grow as a human.
For you?
And how was meth powerful for you?
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« Reply #34 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:49 [UT] »Thank you-it does make sense-in a very Neptunian way!

I am glad your experiences are so positive! It is avery good position for I anyway-11th house of hope and dream and utopian ideals do have a place for the
spiritual Neptune. They also say that out hopes and dreams might be too unrealistic but I say you are as big as
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« Reply #35 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:54 [UT] »Quote from Manic Organic on 03.11.2008 at 01:46 [UT]:
Ok pix, what does powerful mean to you?
For me, when talking about drugs, i'd say it made me see more to allow me to grow as a human.
For you?
And how was meth powerful for you?

I'd have to say that I agree, it has definitely helped me grow (in a positive) way as an individual and I am gladfor the "enlightening" experiences.
Meth, it's hard to explain- it is rather an intense "journey" that seemingly numbs out your emotions, andrather.. I'm not sure, you would have to try it and come back to me, perhaps then we could compare.
It's powerful in that it is highly, highly addictive- I was never addicted, but you take one hit off of it and yourbrain *latches* onto the idea of having more and more, and you crave it, in a very animalistic way; I know thatany drug could potentially do this to you, but it's so much more powerful (in that way) than any drug I've
*ever* taken.
And I am reminded of an old forum member with this debate.
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« Reply #36 - on: 03.11.2008 at 01:55 [UT] »Quote from nerinea on 03.11.2008 at 01:49 [UT]:Thank you-it does make sense-in a very Neptunian way!

I am glad your experiences are so positive! It is a very good position forI

anyway-11th house of hope and dream and utopian ideals do have a place for the spiritual Neptune. They also say that out hopes anddreams might be too unrealistic but I say you are as big as your dreams

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any more...the complete opposite funny enough......
thanks for your response....it helps to understand a bit more i think

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« Reply #37 - on: 03.11.2008 at 02:03 [UT] »"So how does having in the 10th play out in your life do you think? ". Well. You know how some women believe that their Dream Man will one day come to rescue them andbring them into their Dream Life and they will have Dream Children and each of their wishes will be fulfilled andfrequently toppped up through some future romance?
That's how I felt, for a long time, about my career. I thought if I just found the right one, all my dreams would
come true.
Consequently I've had about ten thousand jobs in my life, and the outfits to match because with Neptune in
the tenth you have to look the part. But I've mostly always felt unfulfilled. I also realize that I've been dodging
a cubicle for most of my adult life. In offices I had to do a lot of walking around because having to sit in a hive
like that was unbearable. I could never concentrate, I usually had to take all my real work home with me or doit in cafes or on airplanes.
Now I work part-time, have given up on money and look on my Dream Career as the thing I should have given
up on so I could enjoy my twenties as a Neptunian. None of the rules worked right for me anyway, no matter
how hard I studied them. I often became either the superstar, or the scapegoat and I had no control
whatsoever over which it was going to be.
Ah, well, live and learn. Sort of.

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« Reply #38 - on: 03.11.2008 at 02:08 [UT] »Quote from Pixie Vixen on 03.11.2008 at 01:54 [UT]:
Quote from Manic Organic on 03.11.2008 at 01:46 [UT]:
Ok pix, what does powerful mean to you?
For me, when talking about drugs, i'd say it made me see more to allow me to grow as a human.
For you?
And how was meth powerful for you?

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Gender:I'd have to say that I agree, it has definitely helped me grow (in a positive) way as an individual and I am glad for the "enlightening"
experiences.
Meth, it's hard to explain- it is rather an intense "journey" that seemingly numbs out your emotions, and rather.. I'm not sure, you would
have to try it and come back to me, perhaps then we could compare.
It's powerful in that it is highly, highly addictive- I was never addicted, but you take one hit off of it and your brain *latches* onto theidea of having more and more, and you crave it, in a very animalistic way; I know that any drug could potentially do this to you, but it's
so much more powerful (in that way) than any drug I've *ever* taken.
And I am reminded of an old forum member with this debate.

Im not so into the emotional numbing substances......there are numerous you can throw in that basket ......ilike the challenge of facing my fears, my emotions and thoughts....reality.
I dunno pix, I'm starting to feel for you love......there are drugs i have taken, and i have known straight away i
would never have them again...meth is one of them, heroin another.....i didnt inject, but im pretty sure fromyour description thats what you did......i couldnt shut up or sit down, my body was the sorest its ever been thenext day from the clenching of my muscles....it was like a notch up from normal speed for me........with a filthy
body cane, that was the reason i never had it again.....i honestly would prefer crap speed. It felt like poison to
my body that had experienced such joy and happiness on drugs.....not to mention revelation after
revelation.......
i hope you find the happy side of it all pix.
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« Reply #39 - on: 03.11.2008 at 02:09 [UT] »Quote from GirlApophis on 03.11.2008 at 02:03 [UT]:"So how does having in the 10th play out in your life do you think? ". Well. You know how some women believe that their Dream Man will one day come to rescue them and bring them into their Dream
Life and they will have Dream Children and each of their wishes will be fulfilled and frequently toppped up through some future romance?
That's how I felt, for a long time, about my career. I thought if I just found the right one, all my dreams would come true.
Consequently I've had about ten thousand jobs in my life, and the outfits to match because with Neptune in the tenth you have to look thepart. But I've mostly always felt unfulfilled. I also realize that I've been dodging a cubicle for most of my adult life. In offices I had to doa lot of walking around because having to sit in a hive like that was unbearable. I could never concentrate, I usually had to take all myreal work home with me or do it in cafes or on airplanes.
Now I work part-time, have given up on money and look on my Dream Career as the thing I should have given up on so I could enjoy mytwenties as a Neptunian. None of the rules worked right for me anyway, no matter how hard I studied them. I often became either thesuperstar, or the scapegoat and I had no control whatsoever over which it was going to be.
Ah, well, live and learn. Sort of.

Girl AAh, thank you for sharing my dear, I have learned a lot about having that planet in the 10th, for futurereference in my attempts at interpretation;
I have to admit, that is much better than thinking that you *indeed need* a man to fulfill your wildest dreamsbut, with that, it is definitely a motivator yes? (In some fashion?)
Hm, yes- I am currently looking for a part time job and don't know exactly where I'm going career wise, so I
can relate on some degree. (Although I do not have that, buuuuuuuuut..)
Mm, it is good to enjoy your 20s- yes yes, I am currently in my 20s, so I know this

; I hope by my 30s I am

where I want to be, but we shall see;Anyway, back to the topic, I- so in concerns to drinking/drugs, have you ever done so with coworkers?
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« Reply #40 - on: 03.11.2008 at 02:15 [UT] »Quote from Manic Organic on 03.11.2008 at 02:08 [UT]:

Im not so into the emotional numbing substances......there are numerous you can throw in that basket ......i like the challenge of facing
my fears, my emotions and thoughts....reality.
I dunno pix, I'm starting to feel for you love......there are drugs i have taken, and i have known straight away i would never have themagain...meth is one of them, heroin another.....i didnt inject, but im pretty sure from your description thats what you did......i couldnt shutup or sit down, my body was the sorest its ever been the next day from the clenching of my muscles....it was like a notch up from normal
speed for me........with a filthy body cane, that was the reason i never had it again.....i honestly would prefer crap speed. It felt likepoison to my body that had experienced such joy and happiness on drugs.....not to mention revelation after revelation.......
i hope you find the happy side of it all pix.

Mind you, I have not touched meth since last year, so it is out of my system permanently (I have decided) andout of my friend's, so we are fine on that respect;Well, I'm not so into tripping out on God knows what so- we all have what we do or don't like in concerns tothat area; and in concern with "reality", the drugs you have experimented it with distort, yes, so we bothhave messed with it in a way?
I've never tried heroin, my ex had a friend who was a user but I never touched it and neither did he thankfully;
no, I smoked the meth, I have never injected it in my life.
Perhaps that's where we differ on that sort of drug, injection- maybe injecting causes more extreme effects on a
person's body? I believe I've seen people do that with meth, inject, but I would never do such a thing;
From meth, I never felt clenching, or grinding of the teeth (I know that is possible), or really twitching- I justwanted to sit and talk about life with my friend, chit chat about this subject or that subject- and at one point I
decided I was going to clean my friend's very dirty kitchen while I was "up" on it.
Hm, well like I've said before, it really depends- meth/speed, however you want to call it; honestly, it depends
also on your chemical makeup how you respond as well as what exactly it was cut with (perhaps it has otherdrugs in it) or how it was cut not to mention if you smoke/inject/snort it. (I've never snorted it.)Ah, don't worry about me- I only occasionally smoke pot these days, well mostly, and I am very careful so.

My big "party days" are over and done with.
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Ex Member« Reply #41 - on: 03.11.2008 at 02:25 [UT] »"Anyway, back to the topic, - so in concerns to drinking/drugs, have you ever done so with coworkers? "Not with my formal coworkers on the dayjob, no -- but you see this would rule the sixth house, the house ofwork and labor.
However, I was a singer, songwriter, musician and actress while all this other stuff was going on and for somereason I never considered this to be my real career; though of course it was. Anyway, those professions are justchindeep in all kinds of substances and illusions.
I had a job as a party DJ once. I was spinning for a wedding and invited to drink with the guests, and there
were these miniature bottles of beer, four ounces each, of which I had four over the course of seven hours fromsetup to takedown. The bride called the next day, complained to the company and demanded her money backbecause she said the "DJ was drunk on the job". I was *so* insulted! And nearly fired til they got a hold of thewedding video and decided I was telling the truth.
And my band played in clubs, so I was around drunk people a lot at one point. But I never drank at thoseclubs because I was working. And I never did real drugs because.. I don't know why. I guess because things
were confusing enough.
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« Reply #42 - on: 03.11.2008 at 02:30 [UT] »Quote from GirlApophis on 03.11.2008 at 02:25 [UT]:"Anyway, back to the topic, - so in concerns to drinking/drugs, have you ever done so with coworkers? "Not with my formal coworkers on the dayjob, no -- but you see this would rule the sixth house, the house of work and labor.
However, I was a singer, songwriter, musician and actress while all this other stuff was going on and for some reason I never considered
this to be my real career; though of course it was. Anyway, those professions are just chindeep in all kinds of substances and illusions.
I had a job as a party DJ once. I was spinning for a wedding and invited to drink with the guests, and there were these miniature bottles
of beer, four ounces each, of which I had four over the course of seven hours from setup to takedown. The bride called the next day,complained to the company and demanded her money back because she said the "DJ was drunk on the job". I was *so* insulted! And
nearly fired til they got a hold of the wedding video and decided I was telling the truth.
And my band played in clubs, so I was around drunk people a lot at one point. But I never drank at those clubs because I was working.
And I never did real drugs because.. I don't know why. I guess because things were confusing enough.
Girl AMm, well I suppose you could look at the 6th house for that, but I suppose I was thinking the "career houses"
for coworkers possibly since in a career one might have coworkers and such; I suppose, in my mind, when I
think of part time jobs, I think of 6th, so alright- and the 10th, more *serious career* type of deal.

Either or, I guess you could be influenced by coworkers and both, but for you, yeah- not a career, but... haveyou ever gone towards anything, in that manner, and been influenced by others in that way? (not necessarily
coworkers, maybe just someone who is associated with it)
Hm, alright let me think of a better question, for a career, do you see yourself being open with others (those
you trust, not everyone) in your career about your experiences with these things?
Oh, a party DJ- nice, I used to hit up clubs a lot, but I've actually never been a real white wedding before.

Singer, song writer, musician, actress- that makes me wonder about your 5th house possibly, but this is athread on Drugs/Alcohol, not randomly skipping around; I become too easily distracted.
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« Reply #43 - on: 03.11.2008 at 02:33 [UT] »Pix,
I snorted it.....I can see now how it may have seemed emotionally numbing, seeing as you smoked it.....ihonestly thought you must of canned yourself on it...hence the referring to injection
I smoked heroin..(once)..and thats what happened to me.....totally emotionally numb...
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can be seen in the chart. Needles have always turned me off (mars aspect with neppy perhaps? i dont have oneof them). Not sure about how other methods can be signified though.

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Ex Member« Reply #44 - on: 03.11.2008 at 02:44 [UT] »Quote from Manic Organic on 03.11.2008 at 02:33 [UT]:Pix,
I snorted it.....I can see now how it may have seemed emotionally numbing, seeing as you smoked it.....i honestly thought you must of
canned yourself on it...hence the referring to injection
I smoked heroin..(once)..and thats what happened to me.....totally emotionally numb...
I am interested in your comment about the way drugs are taken. For me thats very important and i wonder if it can be seen in the chart.
Needles have always turned me off (mars aspect with neppy perhaps? i dont have one of them). Not sure about how other methods can besignified though.

Ah, yes; I guess it really does depend on how you put it on your body then
, I have never really thought ofthat, wow; so perhaps those who suffer from it the most, in the weird ways you described before, all inject it?
Hm.
Yes, very very emotionally numbing- as though... I had left my dry, shell of a self behind and was observing itfrom afar, if that makes any sense;
Maybe it is my EpI that turns me off from needles, I'm not sure... hm, maybe those who use needles have a
lot of very big m with I in a specific house? Or maybe, when I transits over a certain planet, it triggers
someone to maybe start trying it with a needle?
Smoking, yeah heh I can see that as E's influence on I trying to *protect* it from the pain of the injection.
Wow, you learn something new everyday- I will now know that there is a big difference in effects from injection
and smoking something, I have always *known* that, just have never discussed it with anyone before.
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« Reply #45 - on: 03.11.2008 at 11:00 [UT] »I in 4 too (my houses are nearly similar to those of the thread starter)In ruler of 12
I've tried nearly under and above the sun... when younger
now only an occasional spliff (and i really mean occasional, like once in three months)
a drink now and thenI loved cocaine, but then my virgo moon in 2 kicked in (and a previous gf) and said it was too expensive forwhat it really gave you and it is highly unethical (all those poor colombian farmers dying due to the colombiancoke kartels)
there is addiction trouble in my family indeed
What engages us, a strong or afflicted I or F
planets in l or points, who are also strongly aspected (or i)luminaries or personal planets or ruler of the rising aspecting F & I
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« Reply #46 - on: 03.11.2008 at 11:55 [UT] »I agree, Chaos,I think an afflicted Neptune, or Pisces planets, is the indicator for attraction to drugs and alcohol. Because of
the emotional need for a 'heightened', more spiritual experience of reality. It's like 'going home'. An escapefrom what they subconsciously know is the 'heavy' mundane trap of physical reality.
Jupiter also plays a part, because of it's insatiable greed for new experiences, and low boredom threshold.
I also have addiction in my family, and have a tendency myself. So I have looked for it in the charts of people I
know who have this attraction to escapism.
My mother exclaimed to me one day; "What's bloody wrong with reality anyway!", and I knew I could never
explain to someone who is perfectly comfortable here on earth, the joy's of escaping it.
Lynne
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« Reply #47 - on: 03.11.2008 at 13:33 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 03.11.2008 at 11:00 [UT]:

I in 4 too (my houses are nearly similar to those of the thread starter)In ruler of 12
I've tried nearly under and above the sun... when younger
now only an occasional spliff (and i really mean occasional, like once in three months)
a drink now and thenI loved cocaine, but then my virgo moon in 2 kicked in (and a previous gf) and said it was too expensive for what it really gave you and it
is highly unethical (all those poor colombian farmers dying due to the colombian coke kartels)
there is addiction trouble in my family indeed

I

F

What engages us, a strong or afflictedorplanets inor points, who are also strongly aspected (or

l

i)
F&I

luminaries or personal planets or ruler of the rising aspecting

Yes, you are my "brother from a different mother", hur hur hur hur;

Anyway, yes- hm, I've never taken that into consideration, well we have my 12th empty e house, so it's ruler
is obviously the A- my aA is in the 8th; between my A and I there is a horrid o. (I know that you canindeed "work" or "trine" the square, but);
So perhaps it makes sense why I am inclined, I forgot to take that into consideration, my AoI aspect- soindeed I have more with I than I remembered.

Indeed it can be "unethical" in some ways, but perhaps fun if used in a recreational manner; I have never had aboyfriend try to coerce me into not using it, but right now my boyfriend has told me never to touch methagain- ever again. (Not that I had planned to, but it was just him being concerned since he has knowledgeof my past use)

So I, F- consider l/i (possibly);
I have to admit I am not familiar with the term luminaries...?

You and I Chaos, we both have the same F placements in the same sign but for me personally, I have EpF*but also* FoJ- perhaps this tension and "grinding" so to speak, between F and J could possibly
contribute?
Ruler of both our risings are C- although mine is in a and you have a d one;
Let's see, for me I do not have an aspect with relates C to I in a reasonable sized orb, but I do have a q
between my C and my F;
For you Chaos, yet that orb is too big to use in aspect for your C in relation to I, but your C to your F wehave a s;

So basically one would see some sort of sense out of why we have experimented in the past, you and I!

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« Reply #48 - on: 03.11.2008 at 13:37 [UT] »Quote from lynnifer on 03.11.2008 at 11:55 [UT]:
I agree, Chaos,I think an afflicted Neptune, or Pisces planets, is the indicator for attraction to drugs and alcohol. Because of the emotional need for a'heightened', more spiritual experience of reality. It's like 'going home'. An escape from what they subconsciously know is the 'heavy'
mundane trap of physical reality.
Jupiter also plays a part, because of it's insatiable greed for new experiences, and low boredom threshold.
I also have addiction in my family, and have a tendency myself. So I have looked for it in the charts of people I know who have thisattraction to escapism.
My mother exclaimed to me one day; "What's bloody wrong with reality anyway!", and I knew I could never explain tosomeone who is perfectly comfortable here on earth, the joy's of escaping it.
Lynne

Thanks to both you and Chaos who have helped me to see that indeed F can be taken into consideration as
well as I when trying to deduce this sort of phenomenon in a natal chart!
I will definitely keep all of this in mind for future reference, when I try to interpret more and more charts
And by the way, I really, really like how you phrased what I highlighted above in the quote- very, very nicely
worded!

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« Reply #49 - on: 03.11.2008 at 14:11 [UT] »Used F cause he is the old ruler of l
Luminaries: Sun & Moon... the lights
We call them planets for convenience, but they give light, the others don't (something I translated out of Dutch
rather literally, sorry if I make no sense)
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« Reply #50 - on: 03.11.2008 at 16:30 [UT] »i'm not trying to cause you more depression; but, the fact that you aren't alarmed about usage of meth issomewhat disturbing. the sites of meth labs are so toxic that they kill animals who drink from the streams
nearby. they have lost thousands of cattle in Arizona to this problem. Sometimes they have to take large dump
trucks to take out the toxic soil. it ruins the ground water in areas where there have been meth labs. some ofthese labs use vehicle coolants, etc.... there is no way to know if one meth dealer sells better than another.
there is no cure for meth amphetamine addiction. they have a new cure for heroin addiction that includes a
blood transfusion type situation. they detox the blood, and then transfuse it back. but, it doesn't work for methamphetamine addiction. please be very cautious of this drug.
i have a friend who used meth for sometime. he is about 50, and fights his cancer constantly. every single centhe has goes to supplements to fight his disease. he had a relapse just recently, and has a new lymphoma. if you
have 12th house issues you could be eventually institutionalized from these conditions. there is no hope withmeth usage.
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« Reply #51 - on: 03.11.2008 at 17:03 [UT] »Quote from GirlApophis on 03.11.2008 at 00:23 [UT]:. Hi. I have neptune in the tenth conjunct the moon( scorpio), square mars from the eighth with Aries on the cusp of the fourth. My
ascendant is capricorn and I have lots of Earth planets.
We have bigtime alcoholics in my family and both my brother and I have gone through periods of our lives of general sogginess. Both ofus realized somewhere in our twenties that we would have to watch each other and keep it under some kind of limit.
Mostly over the years I've had periods of absolute disinterest and then stretches where I was truly dependent. I am not sure how I got into
them or how I got out of them. After age 40 I mostly just lost the taste for it, and so did my brother. But..if red wine weren't health

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Gender:depriving, fattening and terrible for your skin I could have easily become The Family Secret by now.
Girl AI have been waiting to see a Correlation of Mn/Ne .There is no one aspect which can lead to addiction,but a
combination for the hardcore Drug\Alcohol use.That combination along with some sort of Saturn affliction
might trigger abuse. Have to have some reason to abuse substances.
There was a survey or study I think done at Lois Roddies site.
Luckily I do not drink alcohol expect maybe a glass of wine every 6mos. or so since 1998. I do need anxiety
meds along with my other prescribed meds. Hate Needles thank god!
In 1998 I figured out that drinking for me was not worth it and I do not like the effects of Alcohol. I can drink
1 beer and wake up with a hangover therefore it was best I stopped. It also changed my personality.
I experimented with substances when younger ,but those days are over.
Jupiter can also contribute to abuse.
The 5th house and Neptune found there is a very addictive combo.Mn/Ju can lead to access to those who do
drugs as it makes someone cheery when they drink or consume alcohol. The happy drunk taken to extremes.
Ne found at any of the angles and afflicted might contribute to abuse.It would confuse from high expectations
concerning where Neptune and we always fall short from our high expectations or the dreams we have.
There has to be a catalyst for one to continue to use. Saturn can bring on conditions also which make one thinkthey need to use,but the other planets have to contribute to our abuse.They need a reason to use
The criminal can show up by the 12th in the worst cases who pay a high price for their abuse as theysometimes are sent to institutions or have psychological problems.
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« Reply #52 - on: 03.11.2008 at 17:30 [UT] »Hmm, you guys have got me thinking - I seldom drink myself, like AstroHealer, a very small amount makes me
feel poorly. I make my own, in small quantities and will sometimes have a glass of that.
But - what I have found interesting in reading through your posts - I have I in the 7th, oA & nB

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How this has played out for me, is that I seem to be the unofficial caretaker of the drunk people.
My
sister, my former mother-in-law, and an assortment of friends. Somehow I seem to end up with them when
whoever they were out with run out of ideas....

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« Reply #53 - on: 03.11.2008 at 17:37 [UT] »Alcohol, opiates, and psychedelics are ruled by neptune. cocaine, probably mars - go! meth is obviously fromthe depths of pluto's realm. unlimited potential for destruction. i have never heard even the most casual user
describe a 'positive' or 'enlightening' experience so your defense, pixie, of this physical, emotional, spiritual,and social poison is alarming.

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« Reply #54 - on: 03.11.2008 at 22:18 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 03.11.2008 at 14:11 [UT]:Used

F cause he is the old ruler of l

Luminaries: Sun & Moon... the lights
We call them planets for convenience, but they give light, the others don't (something I translated out of Dutch rather literally, sorry if I
make no sense)

Thanks fellow f ascendant!

I will keep that in mind for sure in the future!
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« Reply #55 - on: 03.11.2008 at 22:21 [UT] »Quote from marsim on 03.11.2008 at 16:30 [UT]:
i'm not trying to cause you more depression; but, the fact that you aren't alarmed about usage of meth is somewhat disturbing. the sitesof meth labs are so toxic that they kill animals who drink from the streams nearby. they have lost thousands of cattle in Arizona to thisproblem. Sometimes they have to take large dump trucks to take out the toxic soil. it ruins the ground water in areas where there havebeen meth labs. some of these labs use vehicle coolants, etc.... there is no way to know if one meth dealer sells better than another.
there is no cure for meth amphetamine addiction. they have a new cure for heroin addiction that includes a blood transfusion typesituation. they detox the blood, and then transfuse it back. but, it doesn't work for meth amphetamine addiction. please be very cautiousof this drug.
i have a friend who used meth for sometime. he is about 50, and fights his cancer constantly. every single cent he has goes tosupplements to fight his disease. he had a relapse just recently, and has a new lymphoma. if you have 12th house issues you could beeventually institutionalized from these conditions. there is no hope with meth usage.

Ah sweetie, I don't have depression about this matter so;

I am very aware of how this drug is made, what is put in it at times, some people are rather careless (so forth, I have researched it
.

) and

They have "cures" for every sort of addict- recently I read for cocaine that they at times use Lithium to wean
them off of it so; A friend who is fighting cancer and he used meth.. say what?
But there is always hope, my friend. Trust me, my friend was an addict for *years* and this year she's finally

recovering, has her things straight- working two jobs, paying her bills on time, sobered up *completely*- it's arather harsh drug to wean yourself off of (I have never been addicted mind you)- but she was not "sent away"
anywhere at all.
She's a true, true fighter who overcame it *mainly* on her own (the weaning herself off of it)- she went torehab a bit as well, so she had help.

12th house- heh, my friend, the one who was addicted, if that time is correct her fB is in the 12th; for me, I
have no planets in the 12th, so an empty house (e)- but I was never an addict to any degree, neverexperienced "withdrawal" symptoms for I didn't smoke it NEAR as much as she.
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« Reply #56 - on: 03.11.2008 at 22:28 [UT] »Quote from lioninrain on 03.11.2008 at 17:30 [UT]:
Hmm, you guys have got me thinking - I seldom drink myself, like AstroHealer, a very small amount makes me feel poorly. I make myown, in small quantities and will sometimes have a glass of that.
But - what I have found interesting in reading through your posts - I have

I in the 7th, oA & nB

How this has played out for me, is that I seem to be the unofficial caretaker of the drunk people.

My sister, my former mother-in-law,and an assortment of friends. Somehow I seem to end up with them when whoever they were out with run out of ideas....

Oh, you brought up a good point- alright, so my father, brother *and mother* all have 7th house I, nowonder my father said he was always the "caretaker" (so to speak) of his friend when they were drinking
thank you;!

Anyway, oh my- I have that AoI aspect as well, but it plays in different ways for different people I suppose; I
do not have any B and I relations though, but my boyfriend has a BpI aspect. (He has experimented
with drugs in the past but currently he only drinks and smokes pot with his friends every once and a while,
thankfully.)
But you brought up a point about the 7th that perhaps helps me understand it *in general* better- why
perhaps with a certain planet transiting right now I come across people who... hm, it's not I, it's O... but now
I'm getting off subject so!
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« Reply #57 - on: 03.11.2008 at 22:34 [UT] »Quote from EarthMonkey7 on 03.11.2008 at 17:37 [UT]:
Alcohol, opiates, and psychedelics are ruled by neptune. cocaine, probably mars - go! meth is obviously from the depths of pluto's realm.
unlimited potential for destruction. i have never heard even the most casual user describe a 'positive' or 'enlightening' experience so yourdefense, pixie, of this physical, emotional, spiritual, and social poison is alarming.

Perhaps I am too open with all my a energies, but oh wellnever thought about; hm, E ruling cocaine, now that's something I

Associating J with meth- hmmm, perhaps I should look at my J transits of that time;

Alright, let me explain to you something about myself- I find a lot of very interesting, nondrug related"negative" experiences "enlightening and somewhat positive" if in the end I can somehow find the strength
within myself to do something differently; for example, with meth- I was "enlightened" because I saw a side ofmyself I have never seen, a side that was emotionally and disturbingly numb and I experienced interesting
conversations with my friend because of it, we talked of all things, of all matters of the worlds- our own
personal issues, our woes, our happiness, etc- so that is how it was enlightening;
For anyone reading this, I am not saying that using meth is "enlightening" in the sense that I am coming to a"higher form of myself or something of the nature"- I am merely saying that it was an experience I would nottrade for the world for I had many a great conversation with my best friend on it; I was "enlightened"because I saw myself in a different light, from a different "angle" so to speak; positivity that I acquired fromit that I saw I could become addicted, so in that light it was "positive" so therefore I stopped.

Yes, so miscommunications *yet again* are happening with what I am saying, so of course I will clarify.

So have you ever tried it, do you know personally what sort of "poison" this is?
If one has not tried it, one honestly does not quite know where I'm coming from when I try to explain how I
feel in association with that, in the past- the mentality of why I would ever associate *positivity* with itplease, for anyone reading this, do not jump to conclusions;
I am fine and sober

; so

!

It is all a matter of perspective my friends, one could look at someone passing away as a "positive" (on somenote) experience in that perhaps they were in so much pain it was better for them to "go to a better place", orone could look at being in prison as a "positive" experience because it taught them to have inner strength to
get through that hard time, etc;

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« Reply #58 - on: 03.11.2008 at 22:39 [UT] »Quote from Leogirlwithcancerrising on 03.11.2008 at 18:25 [UT]:

I in 1st house

So how does that play out in your life, persay in relation to this thread?

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« Reply #59 - on: 04.11.2008 at 01:27 [UT] »When both O and I were transiting in j through my 12th house, I picked up weed again, after not having
used it in about 20 yrs. Whoa, talk about getting high!! Strange how transits work, because once both planets
were out of the 12th house, I just tapered off with the weed....now I don't buy it anymore, but if it gets offered
to me, there has been occasion when I have not turned it down.....
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Gender:When I was younger, I smoked it and did some varying drugs in pill form too....this would be in the 70's. I did
acid a couple of times back then too, just to experiment. Just a couple times.
I drink now and then, but I don't like beer too much. I prefer a mixed drink or wine.
Aside from the transits through my 12th house, I have a natal m with C and I. Someone mentioned F?? It
is the ruler of my MC.....it is like I could very well go down the path of getting drunk or high with all myproblems, but I prefer not to because I know I will fall hard.....though every now and then a little escape for a
moment I allow myself..

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« Reply #60 - on: 04.11.2008 at 02:18 [UT] »Quote from Rachael on 04.11.2008 at 01:27 [UT]:When both

O and I were transiting in j through my 12th house, I picked up weed again, after not having used it in about 20 yrs.

Whoa, talk about getting high!! Strange how transits work, because once both planets were out of the 12th house, I just tapered off withthe weed....now I don't buy it anymore, but if it gets offered to me, there has been occasion when I have not turned it down.....
When I was younger, I smoked it and did some varying drugs in pill form too....this would be in the 70's. I did acid a couple of times backthen too, just to experiment. Just a couple times.
I drink now and then, but I don't like beer too much. I prefer a mixed drink or wine.
Aside from the transits through my 12th house, I have a natal

m with C and I. Someone mentioned F?? It is the ruler of my MC.....it islike I could very well go down the path of getting drunk or high with all my problems, but I prefer not to because I know I will fall
hard.....though every now and then a little escape for a moment I allow myself..

Yes, you seem to have a great hold on your willpower as I would expect one with my father's birthday to have!
It is indeed strange how transits work, I haven't looked too much into my transits when I was experimenting
more, but I'm sure I could correlate if I typed in a date which was around the time (don't of course know theexact date but).
Planets transiting 12th, yes yes- let's see, when planets transit my 12th, in past years, I have definitely
experimented but usually I generally felt very good (of course, this is coming from one who is a fire sign with afire sign 12th so); the ruler of my 12th is my A, which is in the 8th and could possibly explain my
fascination with the transformations that temporarily occur in one's psyche when experimenting with drugs andthe like;
Haha, I bet you did get high after it being that long

! Right now I am rather, I haven't engaged in that inabout a month, but sensitive to smoking pot and get higher than I ever have (body healing + I transiting
over my 6th = someone who is very sensitive to whatever she lets in her body).
Yes, some people did mention F- it is natally in my 6th, perhaps why I like ~experiment~ with new things andbe open to putting new substances in my body?
The ruler of my 6th is in my 4th and yet again, that family associated with perhaps doing things like this; in myfamily I seem to be the only one who has ever engaged in this much experimentation, but I know that myparents experimented back in the day (my mother with of course pot and shrooms, my father just pot I thinkhe will never admit it but my mother said he did).
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« Reply #61 - on: 04.11.2008 at 07:22 [UT] »Quote from EarthMonkey7 on 03.11.2008 at 17:37 [UT]:
Alcohol, opiates, and psychedelics are ruled by neptune. cocaine, probably mars - go! meth is obviously from the depths of pluto's realm.
unlimited potential for destruction. i have never heard even the most casual user describe a 'positive' or 'enlightening' experience so yourdefense, pixie, of this physical, emotional, spiritual, and social poison is alarming.

cocaine does seem to have a mercury flavour imo and may be sun/ jupiter, a lot of ppl become arrogant on it
and jupiter due to the fact it seems to be a truth serum (i'm no gossip person, but when asked something
about someone or myself, i can't seem to lie or deny as use to) and speed seems also rather mercury
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« Reply #62 - on: 04.11.2008 at 08:13 [UT] »Quote:
I read for cocaine that they at times use Lithium to wean them off

That has got to be one of the stupidest things i have heard....i dont doubt you at all pixie, but hell, lithium is
no holiday....I dont understand how people get into coke and not see the trouble before it takes
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Gender:over....dabbling is one thing, but ignoring all the info about drugs we are brought up with, ignoring the bodies
messages (need to eat and sleep), to still ignore seeing others in the thick of it, and continue the addiction isfull on........really, i cant see neptune as the culprit here....bad aspected jupiter perhaps? We just need a coke
FIEND to really come and offer his/her chart........
Anyone????????

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« Reply #63 - on: 04.11.2008 at 08:21 [UT] »Quote from Manic Organic on 04.11.2008 at 08:13 [UT]:
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I read for cocaine that they at times use Lithium to wean them off

That has got to be one of the stupidest things i have heard....i dont doubt you at all pixie, but hell, lithium is no holiday....I dont
understand how people get into coke and not see the trouble before it takes over....dabbling is one thing, but ignoring all the info about
drugs we are brought up with, ignoring the bodies messages (need to eat and sleep), to still ignore seeing others in the thick of it, andcontinue the addiction is full on........really, i cant see neptune as the culprit here....bad aspected jupiter perhaps? We just need a coke
FIEND to really come and offer his/her chart........
Anyone????????

I do agree that it is stupid to put someone on a drug that is *addictive* in a manner who is coming off a drug
; I confess, I am on Lithium which is why I found it amusing enough to share with everyone, I use it foranxiety and it works for me but;
Hm yes, if there is someone out there willing to show us their natal whom used to/perhaps very often uses
cocaine in any manner it would be appreciated.

But as you know with uppers, it takes away our body's natural "signals", masking hunger and tricking us into
believing that we indeed do not need food or water; but yes, to fall into that is rather tragic and sad.
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« Reply #64 - on: 04.11.2008 at 08:46 [UT] »Ih1sto AEGk4th (wide)
pBl (wide)
Don't do recreational drugs (speed, pot, coke etc), never have. Don't drink - although I admit to a glass ofchampagne at a wedding last month - did drink when younger, but stopped before Saturn return. Smoked

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when young but decided to stop, so I did. Paranoid about prescription and over the counter drugs - I am
extremely careful with dosages. Over-sensitive to opiates - even codeine. Had difficulty bringing me roundfrom general anaesthetic. Have unpleasant reactions to adrenalin given for dental anaesthetic.
Basically I've always had a sense that drugs of any kind are dangerous to me, so I am extremely careful withthem - which is interesting that this existed prior to my experiences with anaesthetics and prescribed opiates.
My sense of self-preservation takes precedence. I like to be in control, I like my own reality. I can find plenty
to daydream about without drugs, because I have control.
I guess this is the flip side - the same aspects could be either drugged up or antipathy.

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« Reply #65 - on: 04.11.2008 at 09:40 [UT] »Quote from rookish on 04.11.2008 at 08:46 [UT]:Ih1sto AEGk4th (wide)
pBl (wide)
Don't do recreational drugs (speed, pot, coke etc), never have. Don't drink - although I admit to a glass of champagne at a wedding lastmonth - did drink when younger, but stopped before Saturn return. Smoked when young but decided to stop, so I did. Paranoid aboutprescription and over the counter drugs - I am extremely careful with dosages. Over-sensitive to opiates - even codeine. Had difficulty
bringing me round from general anaesthetic. Have unpleasant reactions to adrenalin given for dental anaesthetic.
Basically I've always had a sense that drugs of any kind are dangerous to me, so I am extremely careful with them - which is interestingthat this existed prior to my experiences with anaesthetics and prescribed opiates. My sense of self-preservation takes precedence. I liketo be in control, I like my own reality. I can find plenty to daydream about without drugs, because I have control.
I guess this is the flip side - the same aspects could be either drugged up or antipathy.

I suppose it's good you never experimented with the side I have, I have not yet reached my G return so I am
still young and naive I suppose;
Yes, prescription drugs and over the counter drugs- all drugs, whether "legal" or not can be very dangerous; asI've posted elsewhere before here on this forum, a drug prescribed to me by an idiot psychiatrist caused me tobecome suicidal (and I could go on before that, a different drug which I was allergic which caused me to havepartial seizures); I fell 6 stories (do not remember how I fell, but I know I did off this parking garage) and lucky
for me I am not paralyzed. (spinal, pelvis and humerus fractures- 2 and a half months in the hospital, surgeries
to insert metal into me, etc); so I do know of the dangers of all sorts of drugs.
Here I am for a reason and yet I am still curious (I do not do things nearly as much as I used to mind you, if at
all- when it comes to drug drugs at least), perhaps that afflicted I I have will always effect me.
Of course we can all daydream without drugs, we do "illegal drugs" for other reasons besides that; perhaps
because a friend suggested it, perhaps because we want to take away our clinical psychiatric illnesses for thetime being, perhaps we are curious and etc; It is no wonder I am curious for I have almost all my inner planetsin the 8th (except Mars) and I have an extreme fascination with the darker side of life.
It is nice to be "in control" most of the time, but I guess I'll always be tempted to come over to the dark- letgo of myself for a bit and then come back perhaps for reality.
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« Reply #66 - on: 04.11.2008 at 09:51 [UT] »I can see that.
For my part, full of Uranus/Aquarius, I've never been one to follow a crowd, in fact when I've been at parties
and offered drugs I've always refused regardless of any pressure or cajoling applied by others. I've always done
what I want. (But then, I don't do parties much either - I prefer 1-2-1). And perhaps fixed sign, makes up it's
mind that doesn't want to experiment, and sticks to it?As for avoiding psychiatric illness, I can't reallycomment on, I've not been down that path thus far. I've always been more curious about [perceived] reality
then drug induced other-worldliness, although I did read 'The Doors of Perception' and can see that some
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people believe that they are linking to other versions of reality and percpeptions - but it's not for me. But I
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Ex Member« Reply #67 - on: 04.11.2008 at 11:30 [UT] »Quote from Pixie Vixen on 03.11.2008 at 22:39 [UT]:
Quote from Leogirlwithcancerrising on 03.11.2008 at 18:25 [UT]:

I in 1st house
So how does that play out in your life, persay in relation to this thread?

No,I don't have I in 1st (mine is in 5th),but everyone I know with I rising has got some drug/alco-issues
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« Reply #68 - on: 04.11.2008 at 22:31 [UT] »Quote from rookish on 04.11.2008 at 09:51 [UT]:
I can see that.
For my part, full of Uranus/Aquarius, I've never been one to follow a crowd, in fact when I've been at parties and offered drugs I've
always refused regardless of any pressure or cajoling applied by others. I've always done what I want. (But then, I don't do parties mucheither - I prefer 1-2-1). And perhaps fixed sign, makes up it's mind that doesn't want to experiment, and sticks to it?As for avoiding
psychiatric illness, I can't really comment on, I've not been down that path thus far. I've always been more curious about [perceived]
reality then drug induced other-worldliness, although I did read 'The Doors of Perception' and can see that some people believe that they
are linking to other versions of reality and percpeptions - but it's not for me. But I guess Saturn on my Sun/Mars keeps me wanting
control and applying it.

Heh, yes k energies are the type to rather individualistic as I've discovered;

My drug experimentation has always been with one other close friend, I have never been the type to randomly
try drugs from strangers at parties, but; Yes, fixed signs do make up their minds and stick with it- that for sureI know!
I'm glad you have not been down that path for psychiatric illness, it is a path I wish no one had to travel.

It's good to be curious about this "reality" than the "drug reality"- I suppose we are all different in our
curiosities, of course.
Ooh yes, G would indeed do that; I do not have many G aspects, only s so.

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« Reply #69 - on: 04.11.2008 at 22:32 [UT] »Quote from Leogirlwithcancerrising on 04.11.2008 at 11:30 [UT]:No,I don't have

I in 1st (mine is in 5th),but everyone I know with I rising has got some drug/alco-issues

Oh, haha miscommuncations.

I personally know not of anyone with a first house I, perhaps that is indeed a factor- thanks.

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« Reply #70 - on: 04.11.2008 at 22:53 [UT] »I have I and the B conjunct in the 5th houseor heavy usage. yes I really like drinking.

h. that is one of the placements for escapism and addiction

also having a eA and F in the 11th house adds a lot of that fun party energy.
gues I could be considered a habitual drinker.
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« Reply #71 - on: 04.11.2008 at 23:00 [UT] »Quote from hss4x4 on 04.11.2008 at 22:53 [UT]:
I haveI and the B conjunct in the 5th house h. that is one of the placements for escapism and addiction or heavy usage. yes I reallylike drinking.
also having aeA and F in the 11th house adds a lot of that fun party energy.

gues I could be considered a habitual drinker.

Oh yes, e party energy!

It's funny, two of my close friends whom are eAs with lots of e planets in them are not into partying at all;both of them drink from time to time, but never in excess.
But, they have different placements from you;
1) Natally, my best friend has an 8th house eA, but with her relocation to Japan it has traveled to her 11th; also, she has a eC in the 8th and a eE there as well.
2) The other one natally has a- oh wait, ha she has an 11th house eA as well as having a eD conj to that, inthe same house and a 12th house (oh my) eE.
Anyway, so it all depends on aspects, house placements and the person itself but it is interesting to ponder.
My boyfriend has a e*B* as well as the placements between B and I, although his is a p and not a m; heloves to drink with his friends and just out and about, but he is not a heavy drink anymore (he drinks morethan I do but he said he used to drink way too much.)
His eB is in the 2nd.

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