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Sealynx
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The unexamined life.....
« on: 21.08.2009 at 17:15 [UT+1] »Most sources seem to agree that a person's life focus is determined by the number of planets, especiallypersonal planets above or below the horizon. People with personal planets below the horizon are seen as more
self focused, while those with planets above the horizon tend more toward external affairs and others. I've
often wondered how the 12th house fits into all of this since it represents both subconscious urges and thecollective memories.
Socrates once said, "The unexamined life isn't worth living." I'm wondering how those of you who fit one of theabove scenerios would respond to this.
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Gender:Are you more or less likely to examine your motives, thoughts and beliefs when deciding on an important
course of action?
Are you more focused on personal feelings or reading other people and circumstances???
Does personal morality figure more into your decisions are do you look more toward circumstances?

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Dendroica22

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« Reply #1 - on: 21.08.2009 at 19:00 [UT+1] »I could drool at the Socrates quote, and actually had a discussion in a philosophy course awhile back about
what he meant! It was interesting to see how different the replies were.
Chart-wise, almost all of my natal planets are below the horizon, but I have some over in the 7th house as well.
I'm definitely focused on my inner life, how I see the world, always examining my own thoughts, perceptions,beliefs, values, etc etc. It's like the entire self-help section in a bookstore was just for me haha. If I'm deciding
on taking action, it's really all about what I want and/or need, I don't really focus too much on whether it will
negatively affect others or even what others think about it.
However, I do like to people-watch. I like seeing how others behave, why they do/don't do things, analyzing
what they say to determine hidden motives or their values. It is not because I value other people and it's notbased off compassion/empathy. It's more me wanting to figure out human psychology in general and compare
my inner self to the external world (not only do I have strong 7th house emphasis, but I have multiple planets
in Libra too, including Pluto). I have a need to understand everything, whether I will like what I find out or not.
In fact, I often get told, "Why do you WANT to understand why X evil person does evil things?! Just let it go
and ignore them instead!" Nope, sorry, I have that Socratic mind, question everything!
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Sealynx
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« Reply #2 - on: 21.08.2009 at 21:10 [UT+1] »My mercury is in the 12th conjunct chiron and opposing Uranus 6th. Other than that, only GI and pluto areon the top of the chart and they are in the 9th. I am also very "motive" conscious. I am more concerned withthe psychology behind a person's belief than his or her "reasoning". I think part of that is self preservation. If I
feel that someone is basically rageful, egocentric or controling it is not safe to engage them with any 9th houseideas.

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NewMonkie

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« Reply #3 - on: 21.08.2009 at 21:53 [UT+1] »Now, let's see here.
1N 3F 4J 6OI
7G 8AC 9D 11BE
Seems like lots of outer planets below the horizon and vise versa.
I would say I agree with Dendroica22 in the most part though. If something doesn't benefit me initially then I
am not interested although I often like things that will give me skills and such which could allow me to help
others in the future, even if it's just by teaching somebody else the skill. What's a skill for if you cannot share
it? I also focus on my inner world a lot and I would say I over-examine my life. I think it is the eighth houseemphasis. A C DML & Ceres.
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Sealynx
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« Reply #4 - on: 21.08.2009 at 22:00 [UT+1] »NewMonkie,
That 9th house D can give a love of knowledging and also teaching since it rules things like higher education.
F 3erd also expands the need to communicate. Depending on the aspects, an 11th house BE can contributeto a need to join with groups and reach out to people.

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TorgnyEx Member

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« Reply #5 - on: 21.08.2009 at 22:32 [UT+1] »I think that a person who has most planets below the horizon is meant to concentrating more on developing
the introvert qualities of finding one's roots and who I am behind the outer mask. And people with moreplanets above the horizon are more meant to use what skills they have about thier roots and human nature inan extrovert way, to practice these in outer life with other people. Maybe one could say that an introvert
develops wisdom, and an extrovert learns to practice this wisdom i the daily life with orthers.
An introvert needs also to be extrovert in some way, and an extrovert also needs to be someway introvert. Toomuch introvert makes us too self-occupied, to much extrovert makes us too superfical and sometimes toomuch personal ambition.
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Ficklefinger
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« Reply #6 - on: 22.08.2009 at 13:14 [UT+1] »Quote from Sealynx on 21.08.2009 at 17:15 [UT+1]:
Socrates once said, "The unexamined life isn't worth living." ...
Does personal morality figure more into your decisions are do you look more toward circumstances?

For every saying there is an equal and opposite one, just as in astrology there are equal and opposite
principles. The concept of the 'noble savage' is well attested in philosophical thought - the idea that the life
best lived is one of total innocence in harmony with nature's laws. Such a life is unexamined but neverthelessvalid and worth living. It's how the human race started out and preserved itself.
As societies have become more sophisticated, innocence is not usually an option, but very occasionally I meetsomeone who has a totally natural innocence.
Integrity matters to me and I'm not sure that that can be identified by looking at certain halves of a birthchart.
Leo and Capricorn are said to be foremost signs in the integrity stakes. Probably we all have our own
experiences of who has integrity and who has not.
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Rainbow Star

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« Reply #7 - on: 23.08.2009 at 14:29 [UT+1] »Good question...I have ALL my planets below the horizon. I have a Taurus Ascendant. I have 5 air planets,
however, and really feel I need a larger stage to communicate my ideas, thoughts, but that has always been achallenger. I am only interested in what I like and always been into personal growth. My focus has been narrow
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Gender:such as astrology, psychology, health/diet, spiritualtity, nature, athletics. I also have a bundle chart so theseplanets are all within 120 degrees (a trine), which gives more intensity and focus.
I am an introvert but when I do talk with people and get around to mentioning I am an introvert, nobody
believes me! I am friendly, sensitive and have gathered a lot of knowledge about life and people. I keep tomyself whenever I have problems and that is because there was never anyone around who was there for me
anyway as a child, so I do not know if this trait is learned or I would be that way anyway even if I had a greatchildhood?
I never ask advice and self-reflect and decide for myself. I am very private and dont mix easily. I appear
extroverted with the few people I call friends and feel safe and comfortable with. I value my alone time andeven though I can successfully be with others in a friendly and congenial extroverted way, after I leave I need
the next whole day to be alone and recoup my energies. On the Myer-Briggs scale I am an INFP. IT is said
there are only 1% of us in the USA.
I hope this helps. I also feel as an astrologer that the 12 th house is to be considered one of the privatehouses similar to below the horizon because people seek to be alone and private in what they do and it is ahouse of confinement/seclusion so if that is the only one above the horizon, I consider the person an introvert
also.
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Krista ShippMember

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« Reply #8 - on: 23.08.2009 at 14:40 [UT+1] »Quote from Torgny on 21.08.2009 at 22:32 [UT+1]:
I think that a person who has most planets below the horizon is meant to concentrating more on developing the introvert qualities offinding one's roots and who I am behind the outer mask. And people with more planets above the horizon are more meant to use whatskills they have about thier roots and human nature in an extrovert way, to practice these in outer life with other people. Maybe one could
say that an introvert develops wisdom, and an extrovert learns to practice this wisdom i the daily life with orthers.
An introvert needs also to be extrovert in some way, and an extrovert also needs to be someway introvert. Too much introvert makes us
too self-occupied, to much extrovert makes us too superfical and sometimes too much personal ambition.

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I seem to be both introvert & extrovert
For me bottom line is our actions define us
Your true character is how you conduct yourself when no one can see or hear you
A person content with themselves is Blessed indeed
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MaryBEx Member

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« Reply #9 - on: 23.08.2009 at 14:46 [UT+1] »[quote author=alovbird link=1250871357/0#7 date=1251034150]Good question...I have ALL my planets
below the horizon. I have a Taurus Ascendant. I have 5 air planets, however, and really feel I need a larger
stage to communicate my ideas, thoughts, but that has always been a challenger. I am only interested in what
I like and always been into personal growth. My focus has been narrow such as astrology, psychology,
health/diet, spiritualtity, nature, athletics. I also have a bundle chart so these planets are all within 120 degrees(a trine), which gives more intensity and focus.
I am an introvert but when I do talk with people and get around to mentioning I am an introvert, nobody
believes me! I am friendly, sensitive and have gathered a lot of knowledge about life and people. I keep tomyself whenever I have problems and that is because there was never anyone around who was there for me
anyway as a child, so I do not know if this trait is learned or I would be that way anyway even if I had a greatchildhood?
I never ask advice and self-reflect and decide for myself. I am very private and dont mix easily. I appear
extroverted with the few people I call friends and feel safe and comfortable with. I value my alone time andeven though I can successfully be with others in a friendly and congenial extroverted way, after I leave I need
the next whole day to be alone and recoup my energies. On the Myer-Briggs scale I am an INFP. IT is said
there are only 1% of us in the USA.
I hope this helps. I also feel as an astrologer that the 12 th house is to be considered one of the privatehouses similar to below the horizon because people seek to be alone and private in what they do and it is ahouse of confinement/seclusion so if that is the only one above the horizon, I consider the person an introvert
also.
Dove
I am an INFP as well. Can relate to solitude
I have three planets in the seventh housemoon in 11th, Saturn in 10th, Neptune in 9th

All personal except moon below the horizon.
The Pullen chart analysis, I scored high in LibravilleWell, I often wonder about that one. Libraville
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TorgnyEx Member

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« Reply #10 - on: 23.08.2009 at 18:09 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 23.08.2009 at 14:40 [UT+1]:
Only theBl (my ruler) & Fa are elevated.. H-9 & 10)

I seem to be both introvert & extrovert
For me bottom line is our actions define us
Your true character is how you conduct yourself when no one can see or hear you
A person content with themselves is Blessed indeed
Blessed,KristaI have only B and F(H12) above horizon. In this time of history the Western world is extremly extrovert, andmany people live at the surface. And in the eyes of many people today it is "better" to be extrovert thanintrovert. Too much extrovert (as society is today) makes people social but not really in contact withthemselves and their inner roots, values and not knowing who they really are. Being too introvert make people
isolating themselves. However for me an introvert life means that the emphasis of growth is on the inner world.
Without this inner connection we will be superfical, selfish and lost in the world of career and materialism.
Extrovert is for me using the knowledge we have about the inner world and practising it in the outer world.
As we progress through incarnations we will learn to live in both the inner and the outer world. With only one
planet (B) in extrovert houses I would be a hermit if introvert would mean not being able to connect withpeople. Yet my proffession for many years has been in health care where I have to interact with people all theday. However, I consider myself putting the emphasis of introvert in this life, being interested in the inner life
and the existential questions - who am I and what is the purpose of life.
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Krista ShippMember« Reply #11 - on: 23.08.2009 at 19:43 [UT+1] »A very strong aspiration of mine has been to be able to impact one persons life- Deeply & profoundly..

Hopefully- there is still time

Not A StrangerSomehow,
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TorgnyEx Member

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« Reply #12 - on: 23.08.2009 at 19:58 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 23.08.2009 at 19:43 [UT+1]:
A very strong aspiration of mine has been to be able to impact one persons life- Deeply & profoundly..

Hopefully- there is still time

Not A StrangerSomehow,
KristaThis is a very good aim in life that you have I think, if all people influence one person deeply the whole world
will be changed. And I think that you have a lot of good impact on this website by being so open about yourself
and endevoring to be of good use for other people.
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Sealynx

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« Reply #13 - on: 23.08.2009 at 20:27 [UT+1] »Good points Torgny,
I think we may have moved to the point where the assumption is that everyone needs to be dealt with as if
they were an extrovert. Policemen are taught to approach even a simple traffic stop using forms of
intimidation aimed to controling extroverted behavior. Salespeople use aggressive tactics aimed at taking
advantage of the hyper extrovert. These reactions can be very damaging to a thoughtful introvert who may feel
humiliated by the police and insulted and belittled by the sales tactic.
I wonder which aspects and houses are responsible for these trends??
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Krista ShippMember« Reply #14 - on: 23.08.2009 at 20:32 [UT+1] »Policemen are EG
Firemen are EF

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TorgnyEx Member

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« Reply #15 - on: 23.08.2009 at 20:54 [UT+1] »Sealynx,
What you mention teaching these behaviours I think is an example of extrovert behaviour without the introvert
understanding. I also think that there are many astrological cycles besides the planets and houses. Many ofthem are long, the Middle Ages was very introvert and lasted for a thousand years, our present extrovert
society has lasted for almost a thousand years.
Krista,you mention for example that police are ruled by EG. I think that every planet, house and sign can be used ina constructive or destructive way. Mars can for example be ignorant aggression and violence, but it can also be
activity based upon courage and personal conviction. Saturn can be very cold and hard, but it can also be true
justice based upon both paying ones debt and compassion. What Sealynx mention I think are the lower aspectsof these planets that unfortunately are being taught. "Success by fear." Does not last very long.
If a child or person with psychological problems for example throws a cup of cofee on the wall, we will
understand and accomplish nothing if we only focus on the physical behaviour. What is important is why thisperson did so, what was it he/she tried to express in this inadequate way? Did he for example think that people
did not listen to him/her, and this was the only way he could express this? I don't think it is right to throwcups, but it is important to focus on why it happens.

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Sealynx
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« Reply #16 - on: 24.08.2009 at 04:28 [UT+1] »Yes Torgny,
I agree that there are cycles that affect this and there are two parts so to speak for the behavior. Public
acceptance of behaviors and the response itself.
As Krista noted, mar/saturn can be a response. I think the cycle that began with 911 ushered in a new
acceptance of control and lack of privacy rights in the US. I haven't studied US charts enough to decide which
one should be used to do a comparison, but I would bet there was some kind of switch in house activity even if
it isn't totally hemispheric.
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martian behavior can really contain pluto based changes which go well beyond the methods used to control
normal extroversion and assertiveness in people.
Will we swing back the other way out of respect for introversion or out of fear of harsh treatment should our
extroverted behavior expose too much about us? The middle ages is a good example becaue people wereliterally driven underground by a repressive church. Being too public about your opinions could get your tried
to heresy.

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direct Jupitarian

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« Reply #17 - on: 24.08.2009 at 05:54 [UT+1] »You are a wise person Torgny.

You too Sealynx.

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Matrika Matters
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« Reply #18 - on: 24.08.2009 at 07:05 [UT+1] »Quote from Sealynx on 23.08.2009 at 20:27 [UT+1]:
Good points Torgny,
I think we may have moved to the point where the assumption is that everyone needs to be dealt with as if they were an extrovert.
Policemen are taught to approach even a simple traffic stop using forms of intimidation aimed to controling extroverted behavior.

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Salespeople use aggressive tactics aimed at taking advantage of the hyper extrovert. These reactions can be very damaging to athoughtful introvert who may feel humiliated by the police and insulted and belittled by the sales tactic.

I wonder which aspects and houses are responsible for these trends??

My own experience of visiting the states led me to believe this is a cultural trend in the USA...it is notnecessarily international.
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nickt

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« Reply #19 - on: 13.10.2009 at 22:43 [UT+1] »This is an interesting post. I want to add that I have almost all my planets on the bottom of my chart and I am
introverted. I think that having the bottom planets is like, literally, night vs. day. The planets above thehorizon are displayed outwardly for everyone to notice, but the ones below the horizon are the ones you keep
to yourself.
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selenaEx Member

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« Reply #20 - on: 14.10.2009 at 10:02 [UT+1] »It is worth (re)-thinking, re-evaluating this generalization which - I am aware - is mentioned on many astrosites..
What makes a 3rd or 5th h e a or c stellium (without significant setting in the 4th)introvert?
or are 12th people really that much extravert? not to mention the 8th people..
It seems to me that introversion is much more linked to the Water houses... extraversion to Fire ones and ( toa certain degree) to Air houses (and signs) and so on...
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« Reply #21 - on: 14.10.2009 at 16:36 [UT+1] »Well. I have most of my planets below the horizon - ABCDEFGN in 4-6th. And yes, I'm extremelyreflective about roots and history etc.
But. My signs are rotated so I have g on Asc, a Dsc, so the energies in the personal houses are intranspersonal signs (on the whole), so there is an element of not only of reflection through experience andrelationship (bottom right) but also in connection to the collective.
a vision beyond the personal.
So there is more of a mix.
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k for example is ALWAYS concerned with

My outer planets are on the left of the chart with OJ above the horizon, J being highest. So outer planets
above the horizon again has a collective focus.
Most of my planets are in masculine signs, and 5 planets in angular houses and even with G on my A/E - I
am probably considered extroverted because I have little self-consciousness in many ways, and my automatic
action in any social situation is to initiate, smile and connect and talk. But I also like and need to be alone
quite often, and a desire to be alone isn't necessarily introverted.
I just think we have to be careful about consigning someone as introverted because they have planets below
the horizon - there are other things to take into account too.

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primitribe
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« Reply #22 - on: 14.10.2009 at 18:00 [UT+1] »I've been wondering on this subject as well.
Quote from selena on 14.10.2009 at 10:02 [UT+1]:
It is worth (re)-thinking, re-evaluating this generalization which - I am aware - is mentioned on many astro sites..

What makes a 3rd or 5th h e a or c stellium (without significant setting in the 4th)introvert?
or are 12th people really that much extravert? not to mention the 8th people..
It seems to me that introversion is much more linked to the Water houses... extraversion to Fire ones and ( to a certain degree) to Air

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You put out exactly what I've found confusing! I have a bowl chart (not including N in 4th) with only E in 6th
but mDC. The rest is all above the horizon, yet with estellium in 8th (the house of mystery), iBmI in 12th
(the house of hidden issues), how am I supposed to be SO extraverted? Yes, I have that trait, but often reflect
a lot, which doesn't serve well unfortunately when it comes to personal matter. (Maybe this is the key?)
Also, my friend's chart has most of planets below the horizon, and I never really thought of her introverted!
When I looked into her chart and asked, "Umm, do you consider yourself introverted?" she said 'I AM
introverted". It's interesting how differently the native and others see.
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« Reply #23 - on: 15.10.2009 at 14:30 [UT+1] »Here you see my introvert/ extravert balance
But you see how many planets I have in air/ fire/ water/ earth
I would consider myself an introvert, with a lot of extraversion, let's say 60/40... so a lot more introvert thanwhat my chart suggests
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MingX
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« Reply #24 - on: 04.11.2009 at 10:26 [UT] »Hmm, I'm one of those rare extroverted people(NOT!); We're like an endangered species..

What's strange about my chart is that I have 9 planets on top, and 1 planets on the bottom. And that planet isE; so I wouldn't be so 'ambitious' as other people would say to extroverted people. Mars is my chart ruler, so I
guess I'm a more introverted-extrovert.. if you know what I mean!
The 12th house is a very mysterious house for me.. I don't know about how I feel. I want to express my
feelings but for some reason I can't put it to words.. It's hard for me to 'feel' (I have Moon in 12th house),
People around because of my extroverted a self on the outself sometimes don't understand my timid aB.. I
do project how I feel, it's just that.. I can't explain..
I have fears in the 12th house (Oh yay! Saturn in the 12th house! What COULD be better?!) and it's in l, so
it's a very subconscious fear.. VERY. Interestingly, I'm scared of ghosts. I imagine they are ghost and they'll
curse me...
It's hard to 'know' the 12th house I guess!
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« Reply #25 - on: 08.11.2009 at 05:02 [UT] »I have wondered about the 12 house planets in this regard as well having 2 myself.
This is similiar to when I asked Ed about his Libra stellium being on the ASC.
Rookish made some good points and "there are other things to take into account too."
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Just a suggestion because I really don't know, but is it whether one likes to be seen / noticed or not?
I myself am more open and chatty with one on one, in public I am very quite. 7 planets down, 2 in 12 house.
But then again I only have one fire and one air planet.
My daughter has seven above and she likes being noticed. She has 4 fire plus MC, 2 air plus AC. So who knows?
Can't say that I am interested in my roots or history though, but who I am yes.
I think the private (12, 1, 2, 3), companion (4 ,5, 6, 7), community (8 ,9 ,10 ,11) houses is easier tounderstand.
My conclusion is that it is complicated.

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« Reply #26 - on: 08.11.2009 at 05:22 [UT] »Quote from Sealynx on 21.08.2009 at 17:15 [UT+1]:
Most sources seem to agree that a person's life focus is determined by the number of planets, especially personal planets above or below
the horizon. People with personal planets below the horizon are seen as more self focused, while those with planets above the horizon tend
more toward external affairs and others. I've often wondered how the 12th house fits into all of this since it represents both subconscious
urges and the collective memories.

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Gender:Socrates once said, "The unexamined life isn't worth living." I'm wondering how those of you who fit one of the above scenerios would
respond to this.
Are you more or less likely to examine your motives, thoughts and beliefs when deciding on an important course of action?

Are you more focused on personal feelings or reading other people and circumstances???
Does personal morality figure more into your decisions are do you look more toward circumstances?

Yes, I've always wondered about hte 12th house being above the horizon too? I would have thought that thetwelth house would have been more internal than external.
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« Reply #27 - on: 10.11.2009 at 19:06 [UT] »Fascinating thread. One of my favorite topics. It is at the heart of the purpose of astrology.

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« Reply #28 - on: 10.11.2009 at 21:28 [UT] »Quote from Sealynx on 21.08.2009 at 17:15 [UT+1]:

Are you more or less likely to examine your motives, thoughts and beliefs when deciding on an important course of action? Oh my god...
TOO MUCH

Are you more focused on personal feelings or reading other people and circumstances??? Both, because I'm fascinated byrelationships and you need both in it.

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Does personal morality figure more into your decisions are do you look more toward circumstances? I'm not sure I get you right...My
acts are based on doing what I want with the less harm towards others as possible

I have sAB in 12th
but DEC in 1st.
And all the rest is above (planets only)
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TorgnyEx Member

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« Reply #29 - on: 11.11.2009 at 07:02 [UT] »The journey of our life starts at the 1st house and ends at the 12th house. Having passed through theextroverted houses, the 12th house is the end of and old cycle and the beginning of a new one. After having
manifested in the outer life in H10 and H11 we are now in H12 starting to understand that there is something
greater that we previously believed. So we enter H1 in order to look into ourselves and to find a deeper
connection to ourselves and our roots. However, if we refrain from this natural pattern, H1 may not include
self-search but only make us very self-occupied.

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« Reply #30 - on: 11.11.2009 at 09:48 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 23.08.2009 at 14:40 [UT+1]:
Only theBl (my ruler) & Fa are elevated.. H-9 & 10)

I seem to be both introvert & extrovert
For me bottom line is our actions define us
Your true character is how you conduct yourself when no one can see or hear you
A person content with themselves is Blessed indeed
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Gender:KristaHere, here! I have an even number above and below, but every single time I've gone against my own moral
code I have suffered greatly, not out of fear of karma or such, but out of the sadness in disappointing myself. I
refuse to be a hypocrite, therefore if I cannot abide by my own moral codes, what right have I to expect
others? My moral codes are nothing special, "do no harm" being among the most important. My stellium in
Scorp in 7th is able to deprive myself of many juicy encounters with others if a moral code is involved, and ofcourse the only way I learned this is by breaking them. Virgo stellium in 5th and 6th, Mars in 2nd. I am verysocial, yet even in social situations I am private. I also *must* have time alone.
I will also lie to whomever I want if my privacy is intruded upon. No hesitancy whatsoever. Invasion of privacy
engenders no worries of honesty on my part. Whatever gets me out of the situation. Those who intrude,deserve this .... according to my code. (besides, I tried it the other way and learned about suffering fools...)Back to top
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Re: The unexamined life.....
« Reply #31 - on: 11.11.2009 at 11:33 [UT] »Hello,
I have E c 1st,Ad F 2nd,C e IC 4th,OJ f 5th,I h 6th....BELOW

c ASC -i DESC.I like my space.I'm an introvert,quite self - absorbed.I often prefer to remainbackground,Many interests - psychology,tennis,history,geography,cookery. etc.I would love to fulfil my potential& hopefully will.I like to encourage others to explore their psychic abilities & emotions.I imagine myself being agreat influence for good in the not so distant future.
Above:Is Bk 10th MC,G l 11th,& lastly Dc 12th.It is this venus placement that sometimes causes
problems DBC.I naturally initiate psychic connections with some individuals i meet - sometimes i havn't met
them.It can be very uncomfortable for both parties.Othertimes it feels absolutely wonderful.
Really interesting topic & contributions....Sig

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Re: The unexamined life.....
« Reply #32 - on: 11.11.2009 at 12:54 [UT] »I agree that this is an interesting topic.
It seems that a psychologically balanced person combines introversion and extroversion, although Jungcorrectly noted that in this society, the role of introversion is undervalued. Perhaps this is not unique, in othersocieties which are less individualistic, the emphasis is on co-operation and social inclusiveness and there may
not be time for introversion. Yet in those more restrictive societies, there is a designated time to explore
introversion usually later in life, through traditional forms of retreat, or through religious seclusion.
I have some very sensitive placements, with G mK in the 12th. EEARGH eargghh!!
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Gender:Not only that, but these are n D. I am very sensitive to rejection and group behaviour and victimisation.
I
really dislike the herd mentality, the unconscious mind running amok, and creating lynch mobs. Call me elitist,
but this is how it is. I just cannot stand unthinking and unkind responses. Gossip?
Usually it is damaging
and unkind. Sometimes it begins as just people trying to understand eachother, but can so easily end up ugly.
(Talk about a "bleeding heart". it's a perjorative term, yet society is going to have to become less tough,surely?)I have always been a sensitive person. I really feel things deeply, and am sensitive to suffering. I mean, thissounds kind of whiney, but this is how it is, even if people don't notice outwardly. It can be a tough world out
there, right?
People who interpret my chart interpretation end up with drastic contradictions.
OK, it is a splash chart. i rising, ruler F in the 9th m J and MC. Not to mention A blasting away in its
natural house, the 5th in a. Ker pow! This is in trine by the way to Asc and the F thing.
And the B in the 3rd in k. Yakkety yak. Yet N is m the B in the 3rd too, just in case things get too easy.
Clues to this above.
I have tons of fire and air, and a bit of earth, hardly any water. Yet paradoxically, I understand that lack of anelement can emphasise it more.
As I get older, I am happier, or at least more content.
But surely that is the case for most people? All that contemplation has to add up to a benefit sometime...lol.
Being able to laugh is the best therapy IMO. Yet equally there is no substitute for contemplation.
Az(Sig: it helps if you discuss placements as you refer to them, as a long list is too hard to process; at least it isfor me. I just go cross eyed).

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Re: The unexamined life.....
« Reply #33 - on: 11.11.2009 at 13:18 [UT] »Quote from Sealynx on 21.08.2009 at 17:15 [UT+1]:
Most sources seem to agree that a person's life focus is determined by the number of planets, especially personal planets above or below
the horizon. People with personal planets below the horizon are seen as more self focused, while those with planets above the horizon tend
more toward external affairs and others. I've often wondered how the 12th house fits into all of this since it represents both subconscious
urges and the collective memories.
Socrates once said, "The unexamined life isn't worth living." I'm wondering how those of you who fit one of the above scenerios would
respond to this.
Are you more or less likely to examine your motives, thoughts and beliefs when deciding on an important course of action?
Are you more focused on personal feelings or reading other people and circumstances???

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Does personal morality figure more into your decisions are do you look more toward circumstances?

Interesting questions Sealynx, that I haven't thought about for a while.
I have most of my planets above the horizon, I would say my life has been more largely influenced by external
factors, in the sense of the politics in my country and less the dynamics of my "family", my family has been
defined by the politics and history of my country, if all my ancestors, from all over the world, did not cometogether to this country and rape or procreate here, I would not be here. So I was/am largely molded by thesociopolitical mood of my country which also has made me more aware of the past and present global mood orflow.
I don't think that examining my life is overly self indulgent, sometimes it is and I feel like an overfed slug
think the most difficult part is maximising the promise in your life or birthchart without guilt or shame.

.I

The 12th house A, represents a lot for me with regard to my ancestors, also the 4th house F. What I know isthat there is no satisfaction from my own egotistical desires, not even curiosity anymore, it is difficult to gethold of and understand the ego, but I know that it is a tool so I can use it to change my point of view. I valuethat and know that it is fuel to keep me moving so that I can make my contribution to the "everything" that I
take/learn from.
...and I can only try to articulate that here

, which I appreciate.

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« Reply #34 - on: 12.11.2009 at 05:47 [UT] »This topic brings sth. new indeed.
For myself, morality/integrity is a very sensitive part of my self-examination. I would feel "dirty/upset" if I haveto loose a bit of integrity/give in in some situations either by self-weakness or extra pressure). It is much much
more than you live in a shabby room with outdated furnitures and clothes - I mean, the innerstrengths/weakness are parts of essense of who you are in my dictionary. The true character is built against
adversities - I believe it.
On the other hand, I don't really judge people in this way - or I don't think I have really enoughtime/knowledge to judge a person in this way, not even saying everyone has its own world of views and scaler
as long as you don't cross the line agressively and ignorantly.
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Gender:I have a few planets in 9th and DmI in i/7th; chart ruler C in j/8th gives me a serious tone on themeaning/essen of life. I do love beautiful minds (not in a great/genius way) that walk silently and shoulder whatlife give/test you. I love people who have true wisdoms/strengths (eventually the action/deed) that can reducesilly and regreful/harmful behaviors towards themselves/others. When material/physical abundance thrives, themental/psychological/emotional health seems more crucial to a happy/serene life.
Jumping a bit:
"Here lies one whose name was writ in water" - Epitaph of John Keats
http://everything2.com/title/here+lies+one+whose+name+was+writ+in+water

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« Reply #35 - on: 12.11.2009 at 11:01 [UT] »Quote from azure on 11.11.2009 at 12:54 [UT]:
I agree that this is an interesting topic.
It seems that a psychologically balanced person combines introversion and extroversion, although Jung correctly noted that in this society,the role of introversion is undervalued. Perhaps this is not unique, in other societies which are less individualistic, the emphasis is on cooperation and social inclusiveness and there may not be time for introversion. Yet in those more restrictive societies, there is a designatedtime to explore introversion usually later in life, through traditional forms of retreat, or through religious seclusion.
I have some very sensitive placements, with
Not only that, but these are

G mK in the 12th. EEARGH eargghh!!

n D. I am very sensitive to rejection and group behaviour and victimisation.

I really dislike the herdmentality, the unconscious mind running amok, and creating lynch mobs. Call me elitist, but this is how it is. I just cannot standunthinking and unkind responses. Gossip?

Usually it is damaging and unkind. Sometimes it begins as just people trying to understandeachother, but can so easily end up ugly. (Talk about a "bleeding heart". it's a perjorative term, yet society is going to have to becomeless tough, surely?)
I have always been a sensitive person. I really feel things deeply, and am sensitive to suffering. I mean, this sounds kind of whiney, but
this is how it is, even if people don't notice outwardly. It can be a tough world out there, right?
People who interpret my chart interpretation end up with drastic contradictions.
OK, it is a splash chart.

i rising, ruler F in the 9th m J and MC. Not to mention A blasting away in its natural house, the 5th in a. Ker
F thing.

pow! This is in trine by the way to Asc and the
And theB in the 3rd in k. Yakkety yak. Yet N is m the B in the 3rd too, just in case things get too easy. Clues to this above.

I have tons of fire and air, and a bit of earth, hardly any water. Yet paradoxically, I understand that lack of an element can emphasise it
more.
As I get older, I am happier, or at least more content.
But surely that is the case for most people? All that contemplation has to add up to a benefit sometime...lol. Being able to laugh is thebest therapy IMO. Yet equally there is no substitute for contemplation.
Az(Sig: it helps if you discuss placements as you refer to them, as a long list is too hard to process; at least it is for me. I just go cross
eyed

).

An interesting post Azure

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