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dog8818
MemberHard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« on: 29.12.2010 at 00:20 [UT] »I am soooo tired of my Moon/Uranus square. The older I get the more I realize how stubborn I am, how much
I shoot myself in my own foot and then run like hell, limping all the way. Everyone I know that has Uranus
square a personal planet has this problem, we are our own worst enemies when it comes to the stubborn
nature of the personal planet involved, and the affairs of the house containing the personal planet, and thehouse that the personal planet rules.
In my case Uranus in 5th opposes Chiron, both t-square Moon in Scorp in 7th. One foot out the door, always
waiting for the other shoe to drop, ready for a rumble and chip on the emotional shoulder. Look at me thewrong way and I assume you no love me no mo'. I retreat in typical scorpio fashion to brood, nurturing mystories of wounding which really have no basis in this lifetime or in this moment. But Uranus has caused suchsudden upsets in relationships that I literally fly out of my body and go somewhere else, it takes me days to
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Gender:return. This has caused such problems in relationships because I can't, for the life of me, communicate mypain (perceived, imagined, or real) to a partner.
Of course, all my life I have picked "emotionally unavailable men" because I need the hook for my projections.
I am uber-independent, with the confusing Scorpio capacity for deep intimacy... but then---- OMG I need myspace. Hughughug -getaway! The men I have loved the most have the same qualities but we don't seem to beable to trust enough to settle into it.... like dogs circling each other.
So how do you other Uranus/hard aspect people cope with your retardedness? I imagine that the
Mercury/Uranus people have foot-in-mouth disease, the Sun/Uranus people have the uber-need for "don't fence
me in" and Venus/Uranus, well you guys are just kinky!! Does anyone understand us? Is there any hope of us
understanding ourselves and having truly loving relationships??
I do know one woman, my bestest friend, who also has the Uranus/Chiron opposition square Moon, but inCapricorn/9th. Her issues all come from WOMEN, she is totally intimidated by other women's opinions and has
had to learn lessons about standing in her own belief system, knowing that she may be ostracized for them but
needing to do it anyway. She has been married for 15 years and is very independent socially from her husband,
but they have a strong home life (Cancer Sun/Saturn conjunction in 2nd).

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Linda Harris

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #1 - on: 29.12.2010 at 00:43 [UT] »I do have this square (to Mars-both angular)....but not sure you need the stories of others. I mean maybe you
will feel better....but you are someone who seems to have totally or almost totally understood and diagnosed
this issue within yourself.
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So you need something more.
Maybe you don't want to hear this....but....is there anyone in your family who has obsessive compulsive issues?
Because the moon is involved, this can be partially, anyway, a genetic issue - therefore a "chemical imbalance"
which can partially be responsible for your 'bolting' issue - even though moon in Scorpio needs and strongly
desires partnership and love. But sometime in your formative years you experienced the 'chaos' of life andcannot trust it anymore. But this aspect is not enough to cause all the stuff you describe in your post.
However: I do 'get' the 'relationships with built in endings' thing. But the Sun should overpower the lunar
issue...unless it is part of the problem. Is it?
I know your chart is on this site somewhere but I dont have it.
Uranus wants to express itself in a creative way....if it can't it will express itself negatively.
You need to give your Uranus something creative to work with. Give it a 'diversion.'
This takes a lot of work. Uranus squares exhaust one.
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dog8818
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #2 - on: 29.12.2010 at 01:35 [UT] »The thing about the "stories of others" is that sometimes there are nuggets of incredible wisdom through thediscoveries of others that help one cope with their own issues. Just "knowing" or diagnosing my own problems
isn't enough, that's why I come to this forum.
And as for "obsessive complusive" issues...

ya think? My family... notsomuch, they are just all very

independent and not so huggy/kissy. My mother was pregnant with me at 17, after having given birth to myolder sister at 16, and just recently married. So to say "I was not wanted" is an understatement, but there isno animosity towards my mom for this, I can hardly blame her for those feelings at 17.
I have Saturn square the Sun. And, Sun trine Mars.
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Gender:It's mostly the *coping mechanisms* that others have developed with their Uranus squares that I am mostinterested in. Uranus is so compulsive and completely ... righteous? in it's hellbent way of acting... which often
plays havoc in personal relationships.
Uranus square Mars can mean a very burned out adrenal system.... do you have this, Lanie?

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #3 - on: 29.12.2010 at 04:28 [UT] »I have uranus m venus square moon, but it's all tied up in a t-square involving saturn on the mc and moon on
the ic, so it's hard to isolate the one aspect. I think I feel it like a wave of nausea if things get too close. I
withdraw emotionally, and then physically when I get the chance. I guess I choose the occasional lonelinessover feeling hemmed in and friends who understand. It's more of an issue with female friendships...and with
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career jobs. I'm afraid of the judgement of females and of those in authority. That t-square is the defining
aspect of my life really. It's been so helpful learning a little about myself through astrology though, without it, idon't know what i'd blame for my ineptitudes as I don't remember a lot about my childhood and have never
liked the idea of blaming my parents...not quite sure what to do with blame, or how to get past it. I don't haveanything useful to say about it, I just live a little unhappily with it all....getting more breaks in the grey as i
grow older though.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #4 - on: 29.12.2010 at 11:03 [UT] »BoO in 3rd here and it certainly is tough.
I also have AoO, CoO,Oo asc. It's my lone fire sign in my chart...
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Gender:Being different for the sake of being different, yet yearning to be accepted. It's not the most ideal aspect tohave that's for sure.

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Lee Rutland

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #5 - on: 29.12.2010 at 13:52 [UT] »Yeah, but ain't it fun?

DnO here, and yes, it has caused me to uproot some perfectly good situations for the promise of newhorizons

But Lord, the lovely ladies I have loved!!!!!
And curiously, in my case it has never been a case of projection, with me being the innocent victim done wrong
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by some faithless woman. Instead I had always been aware that it was me who had the problem.....but I don't
really see it as a problem.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #6 - on: 29.12.2010 at 14:48 [UT] »I kinda like my O squares, makes life a little less boring, and well the threashold for boring is so thin that it
pushes me to explore, or at least in theory.. hehe. I like to be different, like I always say, "I rather jump off acliff than be normal or generic" I mean whats the point, really.

O in the 3rd mE o A,C, o asc and DC, n MC, etc. Buuuut it does make a p to D.. That helps, right? Not tomention that T O is aspecting like everything in my chart as it is moving along its merry way.
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How do I cope with my retardednesss.. haha I like that, thats funny, I wouldnt neccessarily call it that though.
Foot in mouth hehe, well Ive got a OE conjunction in the 3rd which both o C and others so, nope not at all..
Acutally I also have G in the 3rd and merc in l which is rx, so I think I have the ability to also hold mytongue and refrain.
And dont fence me in, NEVER!!!!!! I rather die than be fenced in, I dotn think that it helps matters when you
have an aA o iOE. FREEEDOMMMMM..
What I do have to say though, is that with all these hard aspects to O and my 3rd house, I can get very
anxious, and jittery like, its not the most solid of planets, I feel like I literally vibrate sometimes, well always
actually, Ive always envied those people who seem 'solid'.. I am just not like that, more like a neurotic Woody
Allen type haha.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #7 - on: 29.12.2010 at 15:00 [UT] »Quote from Lee Rutland on 29.12.2010 at 13:52 [UT]:And curiously, in my case it has never been a case of projection, with me being the innocent victim done wrong by some faithless woman.
Instead I had always been aware that it was me who had the problem.....but I don't really see it as a problem.

That attitude is quite refreshing.
Rather than seeing it is a problem, I prefer acceptance and simply being
open to insights. Then change (if it comes) comes naturally. I think it's only after we cease the mental
gyrations about our problems and woes and come to a STOP (surrender) that any shift can occur.

BOm~the unpredictable~
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #8 - on: 29.12.2010 at 16:30 [UT] »I think if you've got a history of learned behavior that's attached to negative emotional expectation you have toprotect yourself against (and what B sign symbolises that better than h?) the hard part is stopping thecarnage and starting over with new expectations. The strain that the B/O square represents is one of
expecting schism, expecting to be abandoned, or let down, or to have the rug pulled out from underneath yourfeet. The problem is not the aspect; it's the negative expectation that it symbolises. What makes it worse is the
fixed quality of h, which has a very hard time letting go of past behaviors. So even if intellectually we 'know' it'ought' to be different, in the moment that something new happens, we go into the new experience with our
stomachs clenched, expecting the worst (which of course, is the perfect setup for disappointment).
So... the thing to do, of course, is to lower expectations, or even better, learn to detach, which is supposedly
B/h's big lesson (one I think ought to be easier with the square to O, but maybe not). It just seems to me
that the square is the lesson; it is what teaches us to let go, since it keeps forcing departures andabandonments. Eventually, the square itself just wears you down, to the point where you've gone through thisenough to say to yourself, okay, enough, I get it. I'll let go before we start. Then it isn't about disappointment,
it's about freedom, which is what it was supposed to be about to begin with.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #9 - on: 29.12.2010 at 17:03 [UT] »Depends on the 'context' of lowering expectations. In relating to someone that you more than like, nope.

BoO can be emotionally cool and impersonal. Now, that is more with friends than 'further' into the mud witha love interest. There is a strong bolting affect once focused on another. Lowering expections, for me, ain't
gunna happen. I've been there...this placement is my protection against the users, emotional abusers insociety.
I'm getting to point at 47 that I'm 90% into not giving a flying-flip, let others be, you'll be free.
That mantra will free up the bolting effect (emotional charge), become more of an observer. Now, practicingthat day in and day out, consciously, is the mindful challenge.
Grease the mind and let go... oh how easy this sounds
I think this BoO gives more clarity for what doesn't work in one's life. Thankfully it's the quiet, bolting
fighter for my lAmF
Solution: YOGA
Agree with you dog on many points, especially the I can't, for the life of me, communicate my pain (perceived,
imagined, or real) to a partner.
3h hBo 12h fO
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #10 - on: 29.12.2010 at 17:49 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 29.12.2010 at 00:20 [UT]:
I am soooo tired of my Moon/Uranus square. The older I get the more I realize how stubborn I am, how much I shoot myself in my own
foot and then run like hell, limping all the way. Everyone I know that has Uranus square a personal planet has this problem, we are ourown worst enemies when it comes to the stubborn nature of the personal planet involved, and the affairs of the house containing thepersonal planet, and the house that the personal planet rules.
In my case Uranus in 5th opposes Chiron, both t-square Moon in Scorp in 7th. One foot out the door, always waiting for the other shoe todrop, ready for a rumble and chip on the emotional shoulder. Look at me the wrong way and I assume you no love me no mo'. I retreat intypical scorpio fashion to brood, nurturing my stories of wounding which really have no basis in this lifetime or in this moment. But Uranus
has caused such sudden upsets in relationships that I literally fly out of my body and go somewhere else, it takes me days to return. Thishas caused such problems in relationships because I can't, for the life of me, communicate my pain (perceived, imagined, or real) to apartner.
Of course, all my life I have picked "emotionally unavailable men" because I need the hook for my projections. I am uber-independent,with the confusing Scorpio capacity for deep intimacy... but then---- OMG I need my space. Hughughug -getaway! The men I
have loved the most have the same qualities but we don't seem to be able to trust enough to settle into it.... like dogs circling each other.
So how do you other Uranus/hard aspect people cope with your retardedness? I imagine that the Mercury/Uranus people have foot-inmouth disease, the Sun/Uranus people have the uber-need for "don't fence me in" and Venus/Uranus, well you guys are just kinky!! Doesanyone understand us? Is there any hope of us understanding ourselves and having truly loving relationships??...

Dog,
I hear you. I too have the "hughughug getaway" problem, but only on the 1st date. It's like I'll be attracted tosomeone until the 1st date, and then I want to run because something about them embarrasses me or turns
me off. They look so different to me too. I think, "What did I ever see in him?" Except for one guy.
Well, I've always been like that, so I've gotten to know myself, and I know that if I stick around and let it passthat those negative feelings will go away, and they always do, usually by the end of the evening. If not, I force
myself to give it another try because I know how I am. Is there any way you can do that, knowing yourself?
I know others with Uranus in hard aspect to their Sun who suddenly break off rshps with family, friends andloved ones, and then come back to them a few months later, or want to. I've seen this also in transits of
Uranus, but not for me. Ur opp Ur and Ur opp Pluto were a blast!
What makes you want to run?
Michelle
Moon in Aq
pMoon in Aq
pASC in Aq
Mars in Aq
Moon in mutual reception with Uranus
pSun cj Uranus
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #11 - on: 29.12.2010 at 20:27 [UT] »I think the hard aspects of Uranus to the Moon (and perhaps also the soft aspects to some extent) speak of thestory of rejection and abandonment. The owner of this aspect takes on and adopts this dynamic as anarchetype in the personality. The fact that the Moon is involved can speak to the strong possibility of becoming
emotionally identified with the story, thus recreating it in different forms throughout one's lifetime.
Whether the one being rejected or abandoned is "me" or "another", these characters are all found in the dreamof Self. To truly understand the dream it's helpful to consider all such characters as "myself". A deeper look is
helpful. Questions such as "who am I?" "who is being rejected" "is rejection really true?" "is abandonment
truly possible?". Such questions are invitations to inner inquiry and meditation.
To break this pattern and find liberation we must find that place of stillness within, and be still long enough tolook at the dynamic directly, and face (however uncomfortable they may be) those urges to flee.
In doing this I discovered that no matter how intense that urge can be, no matter how true those inner
messages that speak of rejection may seem, if I don't automatically buy into them and don't give in to thatknee-jerk response to run away, I discover that the urge collapses, and the perspective shifts to present a muchdifferent view.
I've come to see that all this time I've been running from a shadow. There's been nothing of substance there,in actuality. All such rejection and abandonment has been an acting out of an inner state- running away frommy Self.
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Linda Harris
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #12 - on: 29.12.2010 at 20:49 [UT] »Dog8818:
you asked,"Uranus square Mars can mean a very burned out adrenal system.... do you have this, Lanie?"
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Very good. Yes....in spades. When I had a t-square with this configuration I got "adrenal exhaustion",
EpsteinBarr virus, Chronic fatique syndrom which morphed into fibromyalgia. I had 4 bad years...lost most of
my friendships, couldn't work at 2 jobs so just did my astrology and the rest of the time was in bed.
I thought it would never get better and was very grateful.....VERY grateful that except for the fibro, it left me.
And it taught me a lot of lessons.
Not that there were no "romantic" issues at this time - but when no one will diagnose you or validate what ishappening, the romantic stuff recedes into the background.
Coping mechanisms: acceptance.
It is what it is. I guess it's a sort of stoicism. I don't know. You just can't control it all. You just have toaccept what you can't change.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #13 - on: 29.12.2010 at 21:14 [UT] »Uranus in 3rd c widely square (7 degrees) 6th Moon in Libra. Yes, it's a problem. I have other good aspects tomoon that I try to utilize, but that square pops up unexpectedly to cause me problems. How? Lots of issues
with other women, especially sisters, and fairly constant but not severe job problems because I'm an
independent thinker. Actually, I can be a little contrary. I wish it were not so; maybe that's something I canwork on in 2011.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #14 - on: 29.12.2010 at 21:23 [UT] »Those of you with hard aspects between Moon and Uranus, I am curious to know about your relationship withalcohol? I am not suggesting anything, just curious. I've studied this and with my own BmO I can tell that inmoderate it's ok but I can become even more unpredictable when drunk.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #15 - on: 29.12.2010 at 22:38 [UT] »Quote from papercrane on 29.12.2010 at 04:28 [UT]:
I have uranus

m venus square moon, but it's all tied up in a t-square involving saturn on the mc and moon on the ic, so it's hard to isolate

the one aspect. I think I feel it like a wave of nausea if things get too close. I withdraw emotionally, and then physically when I get the
chance. I guess I choose the occasional loneliness over feeling hemmed in and friends who understand. It's more of an issue with female
friendships...and with career jobs. I'm afraid of the judgement of females and of those in authority. That t-square is the defining aspect of
my life really. It's been so helpful learning a little about myself through astrology though, without it, i don't know what i'd blame for myineptitudes as I don't remember a lot about my childhood and have never liked the idea of blaming my parents...not quite sure what to dowith blame, or how to get past it. I don't have anything useful to say about it, I just live a little unhappily with it all....getting more
breaks in the grey as i grow older though.

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Gender:Wow! What a great description of your t-square. I hear Saturn in "afraid of the judgment ....those inauthority".... "ineptitudes" as well as your unwillingness to blame your parents (not that that's a bad thing if itcomes from a place of maturity in acceptance of our own responsibility of not perpetuating any abuse of theparents). I really hear you on the "waves of nausea if things get too close". Just last night I had an experienceof intense intimacy with someone and could literally feel myself leaving my body in embarassment. I managed
to say "I want to run away right now, I am in terror" and the feeling gradually passed, but because the otherperson made me laugh. Just at the moment of my greatest feeling of alienation because of my Uranianretardedness, this person made me laugh.
I'm amazed that at 52 years old, I had the discovery that Uranus loves goofy laughter about vulnerabilities.
Perhaps it's one of the cures to the over-Uranian alienating poisons.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #16 - on: 29.12.2010 at 22:42 [UT] »Quote from Liisa on 29.12.2010 at 21:23 [UT]:Those of you with hard aspects between Moon and Uranus, I am curious to know about your relationship with alcohol? I am not suggesting
anything, just curious. I've studied this and with my own

BmO I can tell that in moderate it's ok but I can become even moreunpredictable when drunk.

No problem whatsoever with alcohol. I drink wine occasionally, but not much. I do have a drinking problem
since I also have moon conjunct Neptune, but mine is not with liquor, it's with Coca Cola.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #17 - on: 29.12.2010 at 22:45 [UT] »There are 2 sides to every coin...
I have always enjoyed My NB p OmE
One of my favorite aspects is an exact sextile of NO to ND

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Gender:The Oo 's I have are to the slower moving planets:

FoO... & with a wide orb of 6' OoI
I have heard from many about the difficulty of having NOm DES or in H7- afflicted

OoG seems to indicate hard to pinpoint/ treat illnesses/ difficulty in finding the right Dr.
This lattter aspect I have seen up close 3 times..
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #18 - on: 29.12.2010 at 23:31 [UT] »YOU GUYS ROCK!!!
I just read through the rest of the posts. Wow. Thank you all so much for validating the "retardedness" I feel about this aspect. The fact that I was
actually able to voice a Uranian Urge to Run last night is a direct result of my posting about the problem so that I "outed" myself and when the opportunity
arose, could no longer justify old behavior. I may not have changed myself permanently, but it certainly showed me that my old "story" is not always valid.

Notice I said "always"? I still want to hold on to that protective device. Huh.

Naminuse: Wow, that's a whole lotta Uranian energy. Is there earth in your chart to offset it or do you live above the mortals, wishing you could landand be among us, but knowing that you would be misunderstood anyway?

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Gender:Being misunderstood is a Uranian pitfall, isn't it? I HATE BEING MISUNDERSTOOD. I RESENT someone "assuming" I am this way or that way. Geez.

Lee: Nope. Not fun. Can't join you there. Maybe someday - because I can see that the "quirky sense of humor thing" is fun, but only comes out underthe best of conditions. Was it fun for the women you loved and lost? Do you ever think that they may have not known that you were a temporary kind ofguy, or were you very honest about that from the get-go??

Leela, very wise. Yes, rejection and abandonment fears, that's what causes the fly-outta-your-body syndrome. I sometimes see this in Moon in Aquarius
people too -- flooding emotions causes detachment. I realized long ago that it's all "story" but my whole life has, it seems, been dedicated to experiencing
the story, or re-creating the story, whichever fit the situation or learning need.

Lainie, the other person I know with Uranus square Mars has the same problem. Very hard when the body wants to move and has to be "taken down" byphysical symptoms in order to experience the detachment. I just have a hard time period with the word "detachment" (duh, moon in scorp) because it
implies, among other things, that I don't care (there's that Uranus "coldness" factor). It's a see-saw thing, always trying to find the balance and not reallyknowing I'm out of balance until an extreme moment happens.

Liisa: The only reaction I have when inebriated is that I become more Scorpio... very loving, capable of deep intimacy, but OMG, when the alcohol wears
off it's RUN AWAAAAAAAAY!!! WHAT HAVE I DONE!!! MADE MYSELF VULNERABLE!!! ALARM, ALARM!!!!

It would be comical if I could DETACH enough to step back and look at it from the air perspective. Damn it, not a bit of Air in my chart....

I hope that others with Uranus issues are helped by this thread as well. Thank everyone for responding. I want to hear more about how you cope. I will
endeavor to be more upfront about my Uranian "issues" with people close to me.

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dog8818

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #19 - on: 30.12.2010 at 01:27 [UT] »Quote from Amused on 29.12.2010 at 16:30 [UT]:
I think if you've got a history of learned behavior that's attached to negative emotional expectation you have to protect yourself against(and what

B sign symbolises that better than h?) the hard part is stopping the carnage and starting over with new expectations. The
BO

strain that the/square represents is one of expecting schism, expecting to be abandoned, or let down, or to have the rug pulled out
from underneath your feet. The problem is not the aspect; it's the negative expectation that it symbolises. What makes it worse is the
fixed quality ofh, which has a very hard time letting go of past behaviors. So even if intellectually we 'know' it 'ought' to be different, inthe moment that something new happens, we go into the new experience with our stomachs clenched, expecting the worst (which ofcourse, is the perfect setup for disappointment).

Bh

So... the thing to do, of course, is to lower expectations, or even better, learn to detach, which is supposedly/ 's big lesson (one I
think ought to be easier with the square to, but maybe not). It just seems to me that the square is the lesson; it is what teaches us toO

let go, since it keeps forcing departures and abandonments. Eventually, the square itself just wears you down, to the point where you'vegone through this enough to say to yourself, okay, enough, I get it. I'll let go before we start. Then it isn't about disappointment, it's
about freedom, which is what it was supposed to be about to begin with.

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Gender:A, good to see you again!!!!

Thanks, you know just what to say, and in response I'll say this: the hardest thing in the world for me is tohold something in my hand, not grasp it but let it sit there in my open hand. That is my definition of freedom
and detachment. The minute I grab is the minute Uranus steps in with the 2x4.
But try telling my heart that.....
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #20 - on: 30.12.2010 at 02:33 [UT] »Dog8818:
Actually, I wasn't very detached at the time....I was in a lot of pain all over my body and totally exhausted. I
had very little choice about anything.
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Although I have Scorpio rising and both Venus and Jupiter in Cancer in the 8th, I think what keeps me sane is
my 9th house Leo planets and my Moon in Gemini on the 8th house cusp (exactly.) That moon does allow me
to detach outwardly....although I am not a detached person at all....but the airy moon sextile my Sun in Leo
does help keep me from drowning emotionally. It IS harder to have the moon in Scorpio. Dont let anyone tell
you it isn't. I think it's the hardest moon to have for a woman.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #21 - on: 30.12.2010 at 03:03 [UT] »I have AoO and BmO, and I've always fought to win the who-leaves-who-first race. Most retarded habit ofmine would be refusing to relate to other people (libra sun) because I stubbornly think everybody wants theirown niche in the collective identity so I take two steps forward, one step back in connecting with another
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person. "be right back" from me means "I'm leaving for the moment, I may or may not be back." I used tohave the habit of walking out of a room even if I'm sitting encircled with a group of people without saying
anything. My best female friends all say we just suddenly stopped being close, then friends altogether, while I
conveniently have no idea what happened. Ugh, and I am the empty rebel sometimes, I just love theexcitement. Someone has said of me that while most people try so hard to harmonize in a social situation, I
just sit up and blast it away by saying something tense or awkward (or retarded). I'm easy to get along with aslong as I keep my mouth shut and my thoughts to myself. Intimacy is suffocating, and while I dream about
one love, realistically, my focus is constantly shifting and anything too emotionally binding, like an orgasm, isout of the question. "YOU can enjoy the high, but me, I'd rather be unattached." With Uranus in fifth rulingseventh, I have intense unions and rapid, permanent separation. These escapades are completely opposite ofwhat anyone would expect of me, and probably done for the thrill, and whenever I look back at these affairs,"retarded" honestly is my word of choice.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #22 - on: 30.12.2010 at 05:02 [UT] »Quote:
Someone has said of me that while most people try so hard to harmonize in a social situation, I just sit up and blast it away by saying
something tense or awkward (or retarded). I'm easy to get along with as long as I keep my mouth shut and my thoughts to myself.

I really identify with this quote, but I don't think I have the compulsion to run away from intimacy as some ofyou have said. Maybe when I was younger, but not now. With Sun, Mars, and Venus in Taurus, the more loveydovey the better as far as I'm concerned. (On the other hand, I'm the one that walked away from my 1st
marriage. He was too controlling.)
But I do get mad and leave many situations...I've quit several jobs and have told off at least 3 people in myfamily. This matter with my relatives used to not be this bad, but lately I've had p. Mercury m Uranus and, boy,
do I wish I could take back some of my words. Fortunately, most of my family loves pretty much
unconditionally or I'd really be in a mess.
Mainly, I think BoO aspect makes me do things that surprise even me. They're very sudden and not helpful
and usually are shocking to those around me. I don't want to be this way.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #23 - on: 30.12.2010 at 05:11 [UT] »...but you asked how we cope.... i cope by being in places like airports, which i think of as B/11th places to be.
Now, perhaps if I had a B/O trine, every time I feel like running away, it wouldn't seem like i was "runningaway," it would seem like I was "packing for an adventure." What fun! How light-hearted! Tra la! But no, when I
need to leave, it seems to me like it's the end of the friggin' universe and I'll never see the people who matterto me ever again and I might as well write my last will and testament because the whole world will comecrashing down around me because my inner world resembles the denouement of Anna Karenina.
However, I do not drink heavily, at least not all that often.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #24 - on: 30.12.2010 at 05:24 [UT] »I think the BO o can be crippling or enlightning. If a person is overly identified with emotion, B, then O will
surely have a field day. If a feeling B is changed positively by undexpected twists and turns, it is a good thing.

O and B have good iinstincts and intuition if they are in good form. If they are challenged, by mno, then it
might be a very uncomfortable relationship, because attachment and detachment are in constant sway.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #25 - on: 30.12.2010 at 06:51 [UT] »j rising with kB in the 1st house n 7th house G both are squared by hO in the 10th house. I surprise andshock myself as much as others. I also find myself having to start over again and again in life. Like I get adecent job, decent place to live, social goals, decent bank accounts, decent beliefs and ideas, then transit O
comes along...wow not sure if there's any words to explain. It's like I go through periods where I suddenly
wake up and realize that the life and self I had created up to that point was just SO not me! No one ever seems
to understand. They misunderstand and perceive it (my life and I) to be a sign of failure and wonder why I havesuch an atypical and unusual life. Why can't I hold a job for years and years? Why can't I manage my finances?
Why such an unpredictable and unstable existence? Why can't just follow the damn rules and stick to a routine?
Heaven forbid I answer "cause my O isn't going for that!" One of these good ole days the harsh andunsupporting opinions, judgements, and misunderstandings of those I cherish and the followers swimming in
the mainstream will no longer inhibit or steal my freedom to be, and I will greatly have Uranus to thank forthat!

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #26 - on: 30.12.2010 at 08:06 [UT] »Quote from space oasis on 30.12.2010 at 03:03 [UT]:
I haveAoO and BmO, and I've always fought to win the who-leaves-who-first race. Most retarded habit of mine would be refusing torelate to other people (libra sun) because I stubbornly think everybody wants their own niche in the collective identity so I take two steps
forward, one step back in connecting with another person. "be right back" from me means "I'm leaving for the moment, I may or may not
be back." I used to have the habit of walking out of a room even if I'm sitting encircled with a group of people without saying anything.
My best female friends all say we just suddenly stopped being close, then friends altogether, while I conveniently have no idea what
happened. Ugh, and I am the empty rebel sometimes, I just love the excitement. Someone has said of me that while most people try sohard to harmonize in a social situation, I just sit up and blast it away by saying something tense or awkward (or retarded). I'm easy to getalong with as long as I keep my mouth shut and my thoughts to myself. Intimacy is suffocating, and while I dream about one love,realistically, my focus is constantly shifting and anything too emotionally binding, like an orgasm, is out of the question. "YOU can enjoy
the high, but me, I'd rather be unattached." With Uranus in fifth ruling seventh, I have intense unions and rapid, permanent separation.
These escapades are completely opposite of what anyone would expect of me, and probably done for the thrill, and whenever I look backat these affairs, "retarded" honestly is my word of choice.

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are other people like me "out there". And you know what? I know another person, one with the moon inaquarius, who finds orgasms "emotionally binding" as well, and refuses them. I don't refuse them, but I willclaw the sheets to get away afterwards, because OMG, the ****CLOSENESS***** of it all.... shudder....what?
you want me to put my head on your shoulder now?? Are you kidding me, I have to put my clothes on and
RUN AWAY! (these are my thoughts at that time. I have actually been able to tame them somewhat to have a
few relationships, must be the Scorp part of me.)Is this why Uranus is so lonely? Is this why we want to be part of the group but are doomed to always beoutside the candy store with our nose pressed against the glass, because we're somehow afraid that everyone
inside really wants to control us? Is this what it boils down to??? Self importance of the most retarded kind?
My stomach is churning. These thoughts and realizations are making me sick, but I know that the nausea willsubside and some kind of plan to meet this challenge head on will present itself. I swear, I am not going to die
without attempting to conquer this affliction.
Space Oasis, you said you "love the excitement". What does that mean? I "nuke" relationships not to affectexcitement but in order to do the pre-emptive strike, out of fear that they will do me before I can do them.
It's nothing short of chicken, with a thin veneer of something akin to a very bad "gut feeling" that therelationship will end by their hand if I don't strike first.
Ugh... to be a victim of one's own delusions and "intuitions".... I once read that Uranus squares confer "genius".
HA!!! Rain Man was a genius, too, but he wasn't capable of any kind of intimate relationship. At least hedidn't realize he was lonely.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #27 - on: 30.12.2010 at 08:06 [UT] »[quote author=Sleepy Lady link=1293582003/20#22 date=1293685353] Quote:
Mainly, I think

BoO aspect makes me do things that surprise even me. They're very sudden and not helpful and usually are shocking tothose around me. I don't want to be this way.

i have BnO and i am like you but i like to behave like that.
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Member« Reply #28 - on: 30.12.2010 at 08:29 [UT] »Quote from Amused on 30.12.2010 at 05:11 [UT]:

B/11th places to be. Now, perhaps if I had a
B/O trine, every time I feel like running away, it wouldn't seem like i was "running away," it would seem like I was "packing for an...but you asked how we cope.... i cope by being in places like airports, which i think of as

adventure." What fun! How light-hearted! Tra la! But no, when I need to leave, it seems to me like it's the end of the friggin' universeand I'll never see the people who matter to me ever again and I might as well write my last will and testament because the whole world
will come crashing down around me because my inner world resembles the denouement of Anna Karenina.
However, I do not drink heavily, at least not all that often.

oh how very Scorpionic. Well done. Tra la!
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when I announce I'VE HAD IT WITH HIM! I'LL
NEVER TALK TO HIM AGAIN! I HATE HIM! HE HATES ME! HOW DARE HE! I'LL KEEEEEL HIM!!! blah blah
blah-- sometimes I am so embarrassed at my drama queen side...
If I just had the trine I'm sure it wouldn't seem like I'm about to cut off my nose to spite my face, instead I
would simply say "I need a small personal break right now" and go shoe shopping.
and actually, the calmer friends (damn those moon in cappy girls!) have actually asked me the dreaded
question: "have you told him how you feel?" which always, always MAKES ME STUTTER AND TWIST LIKE A
FEMBOT.
I have never had this problem within my own family, or at a job. I am not retarded in those conditions. It isonly after a man has known me in the "biblical sense" that the affliction sets in.

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Ex Member« Reply #29 - on: 30.12.2010 at 08:52 [UT] »Quote:
I "nuke" relationships not to affect excitement but in order to do the pre-emptive strike, out of fear that they will do me before I can dothem. It's nothing short of chicken, with a thin veneer of something akin to a very bad "gut feeling" that the relationship will end by theirhand if I don't strike first.

I've done this so many times from the time I was a teenager until recently...and that stretches over a period of
45 years or so. I've sabotaged so many relationships...I'm talking about with boys/men...and I have no idea
why. It's almost like a gamble, taking a chance, playing a game to see if it will turn out OK even though I messit up, like I'm testing the relationship..throwing a fit to see if he will forgive me afterward and take me back.
Will you love me even if I act like a crazy person?
I've done this even in my current relationship, but he always comes back. Maybe with his kB and AmO hecan put up with me.
Quote:
I also find myself having to start over again and again in life.

Me, too! I've changed jobs more than 10 times in 30 years, have lived more places than I can count..seriously.
Have taken out my retirement money for "adventures" overseas or "adventures" in higher education...wasted,really. Though I had good experiences, I gambled away my own security...always believing somehow thateverything will be alright.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #30 - on: 30.12.2010 at 09:00 [UT] »Maybe with his Bk he understands the quirks and does not take them seriously. Maybe doesn't see them as
tests, and maybe projects that Moon onto his woman, who he finds "exciting" because she is "unstable". Lucky
you.... because we usually do rue our nukings.
Sun conjunct Uranus.... like attracts like.
The "test" is something I am terribly familiar with. Confession: my worst "test" was pretending I was OK witha threesome and then up and leaving at the crucial moment. Meaning: he was so far into it that there was noturning back, a man being a man. Part of me understood what I was doing, and another part hated myself forit.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #31 - on: 30.12.2010 at 09:14 [UT] »dog, it's soo true for me too. I am not afraid of any man, until he knows me! Then the awkwardness always
kicks in as "oh don't go on thinking you know me, you don't. just watch-- hah!" and I do something I've neverdone before like run barefoot on a treadmill. Oh, that's the exciting part of it, another person's life crashing
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into my own, so much to do, so much to explore (iB mentality) finding answers to the question, what areother people about? what do they do? I want to know, I want to see, but I don't want to stay. A man I was
dating told me, "Every time I see you it's like you're a different person." I can only feel like myself when I'malone. And I probably have such an inflated opinion of who I am when I'm by eccentric, genius, brilliant selfthat I can't bear the time I have to spend with normal, unoriginal, candy-munching humans!!! Being part of
the group: comes to mind, only one person can be funny at a time; there's always an outlier, an outcast whosepart in the group is to make the rest feel more united; xenophobia and shit-talking; everyone has a role, do notdeviate!!--- but amazing things are accomplished with groups! and pairs! and commitment and intimacy.
Uranus is about group-mentality too! But with the Moon as the need to belong, how many times are you going
to try to belong after you've been ripped out and dislocated for the umpteeth time? Moving too much? Friends
constantly changing? Forget relationship reparations, just move on and why bother with the messy emotional
tangles that might force me to change my ways? Nahhh!! Give me the dirt bike anyday!
Coping strategies include sharing all my boring normal daily habits like grocery shopping and brushing my hair,
undefended; keeping in mind that when other people talk to me while looking into my eyes, they do notnecessarily see all the angst and nervousness (actually they probably do because my eyes don't settle down, it
either flits around like a hummingbird with one wing or I pretend its a staring contest and win); going out of
my damn way to inch closer to the door of that candy shop, especially since I wouldn't be caught dead droolingby the window-- I'd be across the street upstairs with a pair of binoculars.
If my Sun and Uranus were trine, I'd probably be happy joining a group of non-conformists. But with thesquare, I can't conform to the non-conformists. As for emotional rather than identity matters... I'd imagine it
would be: oh how I love falling in love with you over and over again every time I return and find you waiting
for me in my living room! instead of, how'd you know I'd be back at this time today?

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #32 - on: 30.12.2010 at 09:16 [UT] »Quote:
Maybe with his he understands the quirks and does not take them seriously. Maybe doesn't see them as tests, and maybe projects that
Moon onto his woman, who he finds "exciting" because she is "unstable". Lucky you.... because we usually do rue our nukings.

I believe that is absolutely true..at least he's never bored with me because he never knows what I'll do. We
would never have made it except for the fact that we have an incredible physical chemistry. The Uranus makes itlike a magnetic attraction...we go round and round, pull apart, come together, pull apart, come together. In thecomposite, we also have BnO. I think it's pretty unusual for a couple to survive long with that aspect, but thishas been going on now for over 20 years, so it's hard to imagine that it would ever really break up.
He's not really that unpredictable, though, with his AmO. Wonder why? I think it gives him charisma, but he isprobably the most stable, stick-in-the-mud person I know. His AOGF are all conjunct in Taurus, all conjunctmy Sun and Venus. I guess that Saturn in there gives him the ability to think twice before doing something
stupid.
Dog, I really feel bad for the situation that you are in with your ex-and your son. I wish I had some words of
wisdom, but I don't. All I can say, is hang in there; eventually, it has to change/pass. I'm glad you're getting
counseling, especially for your son's sake....Am I imagining things? I can't find the post I was thinking you
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #33 - on: 30.12.2010 at 09:34 [UT] »I have Mars in k at the extreme 29th degree in my 6th house square Uranus in Scorpio in the 3rd house. On a
personality level, I am shy, serious, self-conscious, and self-critical (G rising in f opposite my A in l in the
7th house). I have AB and chart ruler C in l in the 7th house, so overall, I am sensitive to others,
emotional, imaginative, and with BCoI in the 4th house. I am one of life's "sensitives" and I found it toughin my younger years dealing with such powerful sensitivity.
However, I do have moments of extreme rebelliousness and shocking behavior, and have the ability to stay calm
for long periods, but then surprise everyone, when a far more determined, willful, and rebellious personality
shows up at the door. I have found that by focusing on my astrology work, using tools such as computers anddifferent research techniques, it works as a great outlet for my aspect, and learning to be more innovative andprogressive in my work, without worrying about upsetting others, the aspect is less likely to come out in an
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in any Aquarian activity. I read in Liz Greene's Uranus book, that BO occurs more frequently in the charts ofastrologers than AO, so astrology is a good outlet for lunar-Uranians.
I am not completely uncomfortable with Uranus. I have BCF in a grand trine with O and Venus qO. Uranus
in the 3rd house isn't a particularly hard placement. Perhaps psychology, astrology, healing work, and otheroccult subjects that are progressive in nature help to releases some of the energy. Uranian feelings are
sometimes difficult to cope with in personal relationships, but there you can always flip the energy down a
different channel with enough perseverance.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #34 - on: 30.12.2010 at 10:23 [UT] »Quote from Sleepy Lady on 30.12.2010 at 09:16 [UT]:
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Maybe with his he understands the quirks and does not take them seriously. Maybe doesn't see them as tests, and maybe
projects that Moon onto his woman, who he finds "exciting" because she is "unstable". Lucky you.... because we usually dorue our nukings.

I believe that is absolutely true..at least he's never bored with me because he never knows what I'll do. We would never have made it
except for the fact that we have an incredible physical chemistry. The Uranus makes it like a magnetic attraction...we go round and round,pull apart, come together, pull apart, come together. In the composite, we also have

BnO. I think it's pretty unusual for a couple tosurvive long with that aspect, but this has been going on now for over 20 years, so it's hard to imagine that it would ever really break up.

AmO

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stick-in-the-mud person I know. His
are all conjunct in Taurus, all conjunct my Sun and Venus. I guess that Saturn in there gives

AOGF

him the ability to think twice before doing something stupid.
Dog, I really feel bad for the situation that you are in with your ex-and your son. I wish I had some words of wisdom, but I don't. All I
can say, is hang in there; eventually, it has to change/pass. I'm glad you're getting counseling, especially for your son's sake....Am I
imagining things? I can't find the post I was thinking you wrote.

No, it's true, it's not your imagination - re: my ex and son. And yes, I got him into counseling. He's gone 3
times, thinks it's "dumb" because his therapist just teaches him relaxation exercises, which is really important(Uranus is the final dispositor of his chart, he has Mars on Asc. trine Uranus in 5th) because when he stops tobreathe deeply, he cries. He's always been a shallow breather, but that keeps you in a panic state for the mostpart. Anyhoo, thanks for asking, we are hanging in.
And after all these years I can only say "good on you" for making your relationship work for 20 years. There'sno "normal", and honestly, most of the couples I know have big ol' quirks in their relationships that when I wasin my younger years I would have said "no way would I put up with THAT!" but now.... it's not a big deal. I
have recognized that I am the man in the mirror, and need to change MY ways.
And I agree about Sun/Uranus, it gives a whole lot of charisma when the person is not just an iconoclast forshock value. They can really spread their sparkle and infect others with the idea that they, too, can be free tobe themselves. But... that's the conjunction. If he had a square, then he'd probably be shooting himself in thefoot with his charisma!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #35 - on: 30.12.2010 at 10:26 [UT] »Biblical Knowing is Scorpio on Steroids, so yes, there you go.

Bh in the 11th square anything is like this the moment after Sexual Congress:
The Enterprise, an aging ship in a hostile universe is in trouble—again. Captain Kirk, white-knuckled, shouts
while he takes the conn: "Scotty, tell me what we got!" Scotty, dour and melancholy, runs up fromengineering, wringing his hands and moaning, "mah bairns! mah pur bairns!" Meanwhile, Bones, trapped in theelevator with Nurse Chapel, shouts "This time she won't be able to take it, Jim! Dammit, I'm a doctor, not atree surgeon!" Nurse Chapel nods; her contract only allows 15 lines in a nine-month period. Back on the bridge,
Spock stands behind Uhura as she struggles to understand the garbled transmission. Spock, doing multiplelevel math and chess strategy computations from an interrupted game, observes the Red Blob get larger in theview screen. He determines the best communication strategy, wondering what all the fuss is about. "Shields are
at 71% capacity, Captain," he reports, cooly. "They will hold." He thinks to himself, "Fascinating is a word I use
for the unexpected. In this case, I should think "interesting" would suffice."

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #36 - on: 30.12.2010 at 10:43 [UT] »SLEEPY LADY QUOTE
Me, too! I've changed jobs more than 10 times in 30 years, have lived more places than I can count..seriously.
Have taken out my retirement money for "adventures" overseas or "adventures" in higher education...wasted,

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really. Though I had good experiences, I gambled away my own security...always believing somehow thateverything will be alright.
sounds like me BnO
except am not sorry I followed my heart. Nothing I ever saw made me want to join the status quo (mymother..I wonder what I would've done if she hadn't been trying to live her dissapointed dreams throughme(not her fault) I have just had TR OoO and B.I had my first hysterical moment since I was 15 and had athought I might settle down! This and having DoG means I never choose the right men.
Bob Marks quote..Uranus Aspecting the Moon: Faith McInnerney, as far as I know, was the first one to noticethat people with stressful aspects between the Moon and Uranus have a fear of abandonment and tend to behysterics. The Moon shows, in any horoscope, relationships with women in general, particularly the mother. The
stressful aspects (0, 90, and 180 degrees, the conjunction, square, and opposition) frequently mean that themother�s schedule was erratic during the first few years of the person�s life, usually because the mother
herself was erratic. As a result, the child, to survive, cuts off, says "I don�t need her". Everything is fine until
they grow up and start dating. When they really like someone, up comes the feeling: "I need you", and that�swhen they run. If they can�t run, they do or say something to make the other person run. There is also atendency to be attracted to someone who is unavailable (married or out of town). In fact, the more unavailable
the love interest, the greater the attraction. These traits are usually more noticeable in a women. A man will
simply be a "love them and leave them" type, or attract hysterical women as lovers. Personally, I have neverseen this interpretation miss. The hit rate is 100%. The harmonious aspects simply give an attraction to the
new and unusual, although, even here, there may be flashes of the hysterical syndrome.
This is also very telling
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/moonuranusaspects.html
It is true that my home life was shattered at 12 and I became very rebllious.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #37 - on: 30.12.2010 at 10:45 [UT] »Quote:
And after all these years I can only say "good on you" for making your relationship work for 20 years.

My immediate thought when I read this was: We're not making the relationship work. The relationship ismaking us work! Actually, I don't think it's work that did it; it's more like Uranian magnetism and electricity.
That Uranian energy keeps it going.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #38 - on: 30.12.2010 at 10:53 [UT] »Quote from wanderer on 30.12.2010 at 10:43 [UT]:sounds like me

BnO

except am not sorry I followed my heart. Nothing I ever saw made me want to join the status quo (my mother..I wonder what I would've
done if she hadn't been trying to live her dissapointed dreams through me(not her fault) I have just had TR

OoO and B.I had my first

DoG

hysterical moment since I was 15 and had a thought I might settle down! This and having
means I never choose the right men.
Bob Marks quote..Uranus Aspecting the Moon: Faith McInnerney, as far as I know, was the first one to notice that people with stressful
aspects between the Moon and Uranus have a fear of abandonment and tend to be hysterics. The Moon shows, in any horoscope,
relationships with women in general, particularly the mother. The stressful aspects (0, 90, and 180 degrees, the conjunction, square, andopposition) frequently mean that the mother�s schedule was erratic during the first few years of the person�s life, usually because themother herself was erratic. As a result, the child, to survive, cuts off, says "I don�t need her". Everything is fine until they grow up andstart dating. When they really like someone, up comes the feeling: "I need you", and that�s when they run. If they can�t run, they do orsay something to make the other person run. There is also a tendency to be attracted to someone who is unavailable (married or out oftown). In fact, the more unavailable the love interest, the greater the attraction. These traits are usually more noticeable in a women. A
man will simply be a "love them and leave them" type, or attract hysterical women as lovers. Personally, I have never seen thisinterpretation miss. The hit rate is 100%. The harmonious aspects simply give an attraction to the new and unusual, although, even here,
there may be flashes of the hysterical syndrome.

All very interesting..I'm also having my OoO right now. Uranus will be opposite my moon when it hits 5 a. I
guess I should prepare...
I have a lot of good aspects to my moon, so my mother was wonderful in just about every way. I recently
commented on another thread that I just wish she had been a little more affectionate. She was always a little
aloof, affectionately distant though never uncaring. I guess that's shown by my moon o O...that's all I canthink of because she was an incredibly stable person.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #39 - on: 30.12.2010 at 11:43 [UT] »I been trying to find as much information on O as possible
been having T O on AC for while
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soo much.........its like a mystery Force this Uranus
i wanted to run every time i would feel intense Joy with him, from the startbut slowly im understanding this energy in me.... and im just letting my self
feel it but not act upon it...
I got O in 7th pkD in 12th pcG in 4th
O is the ruler of my 12th and s AC
all of my Love life was a mess, i just could not take the Uranian Shock and electricityof Love at 1st sight. All the loves, always would feel Karmic, special souls to me
but i would always try to have long distance relationship with them, the Intensity
would be soo overwhelming , it would always feel like im burningin the fires of love........ but would only prefer the occasional meetings with themthe only man that i had allowed to be near me are the ones i did not had huge
intense feelings for, but they were special in some other ways..
i had spend 10 years in emotionally dead relationship..... but at the beginning of it
i was sooo happy......... soo happy LOl that i had finally found somebody
that does not want intimacy or closure ........I was a bit Proud too .. he lets me
do what i want, and does not have to call me... 24/7.....
those years gave me peace! and space! and we are still friends with him
guys i dont thinkp are any good ? it is soo smooth that there is no struggle

at all with emotions? easier to neglect the other person emotions?
like with my 10 years relationship man, we had hisBm myO
oh i felt his emotional shock whenever i would be suddenly happy or very unpredictable,
but....... my reaction was " oh....... i better go do something else " ???
my O dont want to be questioned or being overruled in any way from others..
i think with o you tend to understand your own doings better? but with p
its almost like IM always right and never regret anything?
do i understand this correctly?
my best friends got OoA and OoD oh we are always apart fromeach other for years, mostly intense deep conversation via skype or phone or exchanging a lot of information
through mail, but the actual meeting is random and 2 3 times a year.
my mom got mostly p to O and herD and E is in k
she is very social oriental and got friends from many walks of life and ages
but she could never live with a mate LOL she does not like closure eather,and does not really feels comfortable when she feels people are getting closer to herthen she would want them to be . She is hB she could be very intence
and she understands the other people soo deeply... Yet she dont want them too close
My Love guy at this moment..... he got only 1 aspect to D and that is nO
Loli read it is the worst....... but i do see the same behaviour in him as in me
so it is very easy to point it out to him,, he sees it too in me, and then in him self,
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mr1HHseNs9MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=liz +greene
hl=en&ei=QmMcTbR2grywA5_rpcwK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEcQ6A
EwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
hope this link works this is Liz Green book
"The Development of the Personality"
She says that O in us got constant struggle with Ideal Verses Realand its why its rejects.........
she also says about the DO aspects that person can neglect theirown Venus rather then O........ its soo wicket how she explains
about its own entrapment of D needs, that could play out in real life in unwanted
pregnancy ( My friend with Do is going through this )also in this book she does describes BO aspects
guys p are not easier ; ; p people are like jokers they make jokes
but got no idea why they make them..... and absolutely not aware
the whole world is laughing at them...
what you think?
PS I dont got hard aspect sorry its not what post is about but
My true Problem is My Harmonious O and my Harmonious D
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #40 - on: 30.12.2010 at 13:22 [UT] »I have a Cancer Uranus at the midpoint of an exact Moon Pluto square and it also is semisextile Mars.
as part of healing a challenging lunar dynamic I was inspired to volunteer at a therapeutic center for
disadvantaged children. one of the labels the therapists use to diagnose some of the kids is Reactive
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Gender:Attachment Disorder - RAD . I am pretty sure Uranus is involved in RAD and it relates to what is being
discussed here.
where we have been wounded and betrayed in our relationships and interactions with authorities ( parents) - werebel and react to avoid a re experiencing of that wounding. but it actually becomes a self perpetuating
emotional foundation.
the way back for me involves two approaches - one i call a " Wicked Witch of the East " moment - where I
literally just sit and "be" with my Uranian fear and reactivity and accompanying emotional projections as they
just fizzle off. the other approach is to allow the reactivity to run its course all the way to the point where it
becomes clear it no longer matches up with the reality of the circumstances and relationships of the present
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #41 - on: 30.12.2010 at 14:41 [UT] »dog,
Thanks a bunch for opening this thread! I can relate to more or less EVERYTHING you and the others say.
It is sooooo good to know that there are others out there with the same, uhh, let's call it 'features' *hihi*.
(H conj. MC o DAC in 7; 4th house in k (love to live near main stations, airports ... didn't someone
mention this one already???))AK
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #42 - on: 30.12.2010 at 15:26 [UT] »Looking back I can really see the transformation over the years with my Moon/Uranus energies and the desire
to escape. This tendency would show itself mostly at the time of some kind of discord in the relationship.
When I was in my 1st long-term relationship as a teenager, whenever we would fight I was compelled to run
away-- storm out of the house, jump in my car and speed off, staying gone for long stretches (hours). Thistendency was still pretty strong during my 1st marriage, but over the years dissipated to where I would only begone for an hour or less, and then come back after a drive around the block, and then wouldn't drive away but
just sit in the car for a while, and then would run out the door only to turn around and come right back in..

By the time I entered my 2nd marriage I was at the running out the door and coming right back in stage. And
it didn't really help to keep my story alive one bit when my husband chuckled at my antics.
So then over
the years with him the Houdini Act was reduced to escaping to another part of the house for a short while, andthen to just squirming in my seat as I witnessed those intense waves pass over me. I even got to where I
could verbalize it as it was happening "Oh I really want to run away right now so bad!" I would say. But I
wouldn't.
One thing that helped me tremendously was self acceptance. To give myself permission to be as I am, however
I am, in the moment, without judgment or shame. To not "should" on myself. I really had to question why it
was that I had such a hard time allowing myself to be a certain way, and I found that part of it had to do withunconsciously adopting society's view of how a person "should" be and behave, coupled with that deeply
ingrained urge to conform to the image lest I be cast out.
According to society we "should" be emotionally stable, open to intimacy, and definitely not erratic in our
behavior whatsoever. So, fearing society's rejection I kept myself stuck in this unfortunate loop of behavior
that I was desperately trying to change but couldn't. Inside myself I was all knots, determined to use my will
to conquer my bad behavior. For a Virgo Sun person it's very easy to jump on the self-improvement
bandwagon, and an Aries Ascendant makes any dysfunction a worthy adversary and something to conquer anddefeat. But all this inner conflict just fueled and prolonged the dysfunctional state.
Eventually I had to just STOP, just STOP for one moment and say, "OK, I am as I am and that's OK. Right
here, right now, it is as it is and I give myself permission and freedom to be just like this in this moment."
When I think of Uranus I think of the phrase "Let it Be." So emotionally, I let myself "Be". Gave myself
freedom (Uranus), which is one of the ways of expressing that BO aspect.
I notice that this is the ONLY way that an energy can transform, when I'm no longer resisting it from the insideout. That phrase "what you resist persists, what you look at disappears" really rings true for me.
Something else I realized over the years is that emotions themselves are really not that scary. Maybe the factthat my Moon/Uranus is also part of the stellium with Mercury and Pluto helped me see this, as emotions havealways been very intense for me in the past. I've gone to the depths of hell, and the heights of heaven,emotionally. And little by little I came to just experience them directly, without a story. Just the raw energy ofthe emotional frequency. And energy isn't scary, it's just energy. Like clouds, emotions pass eventually.
Especially when there's no story fueling them to stick around. The abandonment/rejection feelings are simply
FEELINGS. There's no actual monster out to get me. There's nothing that can actually hurt me, and nothingthat I can't actually handle-- which I proved to myself over and over when I would be the first to reject orabandon the other.
So it's not the actual rejection I was afraid of but the "idea" behind it, and the internal energetic frequency that
may accompany it. And how powerful are ideas and energetic frequencies really? What lives at the heart ofthem? What substance comprises the core of them? My belief. That's it. My belief makes it real. My
allegiance to that belief makes the story real. And it is my mind's job to affirm my story, and to find further
evidence to confirm it. That's not a problem, it's just the natural function of the mind. But knowing Who I am
outside the mind, it's easy to just let it be, and then I discover freedom.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #43 - on: 30.12.2010 at 15:33 [UT] »Quote from ~Leela on 30.12.2010 at 15:26 [UT]:
how powerful are ideas and energetic frequencies really? What lives at the heart of them? What substance comprises the core of them? Mybelief.
My allegiance to that belief makes the story real. And it is my mind's job to affirm my story, and to find further evidence to confirm it.
That's not a problem, it's just the natural function of the mind.

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is it a mystery ~leela, i face the conundrum set within the quote in italics. is it my minds job? and to what
purpose?
i found a you tube vid that is interesting
http://tinyurl.com/33aaunx

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #44 - on: 30.12.2010 at 15:50 [UT] »Quote from chang*ling on 30.12.2010 at 15:33 [UT]:
Quote from ~Leela on 30.12.2010 at 15:26 [UT]:
how powerful are ideas and energetic frequencies really? What lives at the heart of them? What substance comprises thecore of them? My belief.
My allegiance to that belief makes the story real. And it is my mind's job to affirm my story, and to find further evidence
to confirm it. That's not a problem, it's just the natural function of the mind.

is it a mystery ~leela, i face the conundrum set within the quote in italics. is it my minds job? and to what purpose?

Good question. It's a fascinating topic for me. I'm sure there are several ways of explaining it, or framing it
within an explanation. I can share the ones that come to me, and let me preface by saying that none of these
are the whole truth, just a perspective, which may be helpful to some.
One perspective is that the mind can be viewed like any other living organism, with a natural inclination for self
perpetuation. So thought begets thought.
Another perspective is that the mind is like a computer- input generating output, the "if/then" formula. If"belief" then "evidence for belief".
Another perspective is that the mind is a tool to support Free Will. Now that's a juicy topic, discussed
elsewhere so I won't go back into it again here.
I think many people are completely consumed by the mind, trapped in the "box" of it, and totally identified
with the thoughts in their head. "I think therefore I am" is a philosophical stance that speaks of thisidentification. For a person who believes this, it's pointless to suggest that there's actually a realm outside thethinking mind, something profoundly more "real" and "natural", that is our true state. This would be seen as
entirely nonsensical to the mind, aware only of itself and its parameters. Like Zen-- most people can make nosense of Zen. Little do they know that that's the whole point! Hahaha!
Anyway, the mind is a tool. Nothing more. It has its helpful and practical uses, and its natural limits. But when
we become the mind's tool, rather than the other way around, is when dysfunction sets in. In that moment
we're actually being in opposition to our natural state.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #45 - on: 30.12.2010 at 18:23 [UT] »Bob Makransky has some interesting ways of putting this together. Pick up his ebook; US$10 is a bargain.
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/22859 . Or browse around the gratis material on his
website. http://www.dearbrutus.com .
As far as the subject of this thread, I certainly don't have the same fight and flight reactions about relationshipsthat several of you have mentioned here, but maybe my hormones have started wearing out. It was reallyrough in my teens and early twenties until I embarked on a pretty strict meditation regime. Then during myfirst marriage (which lasted 20 years), I had a whole lotta' duty to deal with and probably buried the angst in
workaholism. Second marriage has been very fine and comfortable, though "reality" has its messages aboutother parts of life here at the second Sa return.
Sometimes it's a matter of letting the gerbils running around in your head do their thing without paying too
much attention to them - they eventually do settle down a good bit. Because it's the attention they thrive on.
It makes them feel real. That's a poor man's paraphrase of Shunryu Suzuki-Roshi's famous "Give your sheep a
big pasture" comment.
Relevance of my comments are backed up by the chart below.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #46 - on: 30.12.2010 at 18:23 [UT] »Leela, Don, Dog, and EVERYONE: You all seem to have so much insight into your own behavior; I don't think I
have that and I need to figure out why (maybe BmI?).This thread is helping a whole bunch; it's nice to havesomething to blame my behavior on and to understand the inner conflict I often feel. I want something SOOOO
bad and then when I get it I'm sorry. This has happened a lot; I guess this BoO is one of the reasons. I wish I
could express myself as well and with as much insight as you all do....
Now I'm also beginning to understand my bf better because I just realized that not only does he have AmO in
b and B in k, he also has BoO! Finally I understand why he keeps running away even though I know heloves me. I guess I need to run the other direction and let him catch me...No, wait, that won't work. I've tried
that. Ran away twice...overseas ....and later into a marriage with someone else...he always lures me back. He
also married someone else, divorced, and then came back to me. I wonder why he married her...maybe for thesame reason I married someone else...but trying to get out of the push-pull and into a more "stable" situation
doesn't work. So I guess, like some have said, the only solution is to just let things "be." Maybe somehow I
really want a relationship with the dynamics we currently have. I guess he does too. It's just so hard to plan
the future with that dynamic...
Whoa, Ed! I never would have imagined you would have that..you seem so stable and consistent. I wonder if
your study of astrology has helped you with this... Oh, I see...it's that Saturn that keeps you grounded.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #47 - on: 30.12.2010 at 18:28 [UT] »I have OmEd- H12....
This is an aspect that was difficult in youth..
I had to grow into the edginess of it..
A p from lB- H9 does 'soften' it
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #48 - on: 30.12.2010 at 18:36 [UT] »Quote from Sleepy Lady on 30.12.2010 at 18:23 [UT]:...
Whoa, Ed! I never would have imagined you would have that..you seem so stable and consistent. I wonder if your study of astrology has
helped you with this... Oh, I see...it's that Saturn that keeps you grounded.

I think of the apparent groundedness being the result of working with that Sa/Ur square all the time.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #49 - on: 30.12.2010 at 19:07 [UT] »Quote:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mr1HHseNs9MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=liz +greene
hl=en&ei=QmMcTbR2grywA5_rpcwK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEcQ6A
EwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
hope this link works this is Liz Green book
"The Development of the Personality

This looks like a great book and I plan to order it. Thanks so much!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #50 - on: 30.12.2010 at 19:36 [UT] »So are you saying that "If the emporor has no clothes, its okay to pretend he does? Bussiness as usual in the
U.S. I thought alot of people would be tired of that by now.Enough people complained about George W. ,maybe the the reason Obama got in Office is so they could carry out the same policies, under a different face
but the populous hasn't changed.
This whole thing about Uranus and and behavior...its the stuff of personal behavior,eccentricities. If we were
supposed to condone all our wierd behavior the world would become a interesting all be it a confusing place.
Saturn in k

here...

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #51 - on: 30.12.2010 at 19:46 [UT] »Ed, thanks for that dearbrutus.com link! I found a great article there called "Intuition in Astrology"! Stillreading the Sunshine House system section and checking out other material. Very interesting!

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #52 - on: 30.12.2010 at 19:50 [UT] »Bob's a veteran. Lots of good material there. Enjoy!
- Ed
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #53 - on: 30.12.2010 at 20:17 [UT] »Great responses, I'm learning.
Reading this thread I AM having eureka moments. Bulbs bursting in the brain!
True about the biblical sense.
I'd be curious any synastry dynamics stronger than others? May be the 4th of July!
This thread has highlighted MY part! Jez! I bolted HARD, and now know unconsciously saying run after me, do
you think I'm worth it! Prior to that some things were said that didn't make sense (rec'vd IN my ears) if theflow was easing into a greater connection. Why the F would anyone say that? Rejecting me say you, however
actually was self-rejection on their part.
Felt like ping pong!

energetically I got exhausted. THEN add in the words received, ugh!

Me: hBofO n her lB
Me: kG (mD) n her eO
Being okay WITH what is is soooo hard! If one accepts everything, abuse can come in. I'm not a l doormat.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #54 - on: 30.12.2010 at 20:39 [UT] »Quote from Evolving on 30.12.2010 at 20:17 [UT]:Being okay WITH what is is soooo hard! If one accepts everything, abuse can come in. I'm not al doormat.

This is a very common misconception of acceptance. True acceptance is about the inner state, about not being
in internal conflict or resistance, and allowing for the moment to appear as it is BECAUSE it is alreadyhappening. It's done. What's already happened can't be changed. We acknowledge the fact of it.
And then we can see if there's something that can be done or changed about the situation, and act accordingly.
No one is advocating being a doormat. That's just another drama, another story. Internal peace begets
external peace, not the other way around. In fact, an inner state free of conflict is a much stronger state than
the feeble reactions of a divided self. The "No" that occasionally comes from that is powerful indeed.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #55 - on: 30.12.2010 at 20:47 [UT] »DJOBfmH9 all o iAC
I live in the realm of hard aspects 24/7... Pluto with the Uranus makes for an interesting life for myself. I'mnever bored, always in the thick of something... I don't go through life with anything less than an appreciation
for diversity. And when narrow mindedness, uber fixed logical linear thinking gets in my path, I basically want
to go all Uranian on it... And rip out the carpet from under pedanticism. Yet another part of me enjoys certain
deep foundations in integrity, morals and values that are hard earned... It's an odd dichotomy, duality, polarity,
always there to teach a modicum of what it means to live in the extremes in order to find the balance point
between. I just finished with t G across all these planets, so, this is a rather new perspective for me, and I'mstill working through the experiences of that.
And I'll just add that t On that stellium put me in situations in life that pitted me into the depths of hell facing
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my cage like that ever again. Pun, not really intended...

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #56 - on: 30.12.2010 at 22:05 [UT] »Quote from wanderer on 30.12.2010 at 10:43 [UT]:Bob Marks quote..Uranus Aspecting the Moon: Faith McInnerney, as far as I know, was the first one to notice that people with stressful
aspects between the Moon and Uranus have a fear of abandonment and tend to be hysterics.

GRRRRREAT. Let's just let THAT little secret out. Luckily, Scorp Moons do their hysteria in a silent primal
scream, crunched into a corner, holding their blankie and then whispering to themselves "we don't need anyone
do we, precious?"
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #57 - on: 30.12.2010 at 22:09 [UT] »true dog!

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #58 - on: 30.12.2010 at 22:36 [UT] »Quote from Evolving on 30.12.2010 at 20:17 [UT]:...If one accepts everything, abuse can come in. I'm not al doormat.

Evolving,
I agree with you. It's important for I/l to establish boundaries. My Moon and Mars trine Neptune, and it's
one of the hardest things for me, to speak up for myself. I've gone to counseling, and this always comes up no
matter who the counselor is, that if I don't set boundaries things will just snowball. I've seen that to be true.
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The comments are interesting. I can see a pattern here
Another thing is that Uranus doesn't like to be told what to do. I had a b/f with Cancer Sun/Uranus/Mars in
7th, 1-deg orb, and at times he'd bolt. He threw something outside and I asked him to throw it in the trash
can next time. He didn't say anything, but I went to the store, and when I came back he was gone, no note,
and wouldn't speak to me for a week. The same thing happened when he was "training" my dog to jump in theback of my car and was strangling her with the choke chain and I made him stop.
I wouldn't do well working for someone else. It would be too rigid. I have to work for myself so that I can dothings my own way, especially my scheduling.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #59 - on: 30.12.2010 at 23:06 [UT] »Quote from ~Leela on 30.12.2010 at 20:39 [UT]:
Quote from Evolving on 30.12.2010 at 20:17 [UT]:Being okay WITH what is is soooo hard! If one accepts everything, abuse can come in. I'm not al doormat.

This is a very common misconception of acceptance. True acceptance is about the inner state, about not being in internal conflict orresistance, and allowing for the moment to appear as it is BECAUSE it is already happening. It's done. What's already happened can't bechanged. We acknowledge the fact of it.
And then we can see if there's something that can be done or changed about the situation, and act accordingly. No one is advocating beinga doormat. That's just another drama, another story. Internal peace begets external peace, not the other way around. In fact, an innerstate free of conflict is a much stronger state than the feeble reactions of a divided self. The "No" that occasionally comes from that is
powerful indeed.

Ah...don't you hear the BUT coming? How can I explain this in words...and being short.

l energetically and spiritually understands being ONE, thus not having resistance. However our Soul is boundby human form, encapsulated to the resistance of form. We walk with the suffering pressure, moreso whenbeing so aware and not numb. l Numbing is being a unconscious coward (drinking/drugs).
Resistance is boundaries. For a l to be in complete true inner acceptance, would mean being WAY too open.
Can't explain this, sorry. If I lived in a bubble vs. relating to other's energy, I'd be gold. I could expand
without resistance.

AmF A completely open l is a sight to see. I miss those moments.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #60 - on: 30.12.2010 at 23:23 [UT] »Quote from Michelle on 30.12.2010 at 22:36 [UT]:
Quote from Evolving on 30.12.2010 at 20:17 [UT]:...If one accepts everything, abuse can come in. I'm not al doormat.

Evolving,
I agree with you. It's important for

I/l to establish boundaries. My Moon and Mars trine Neptune, and it's one of the hardest things forme, to speak up for myself. I've gone to counseling, and this always comes up no matter who the counselor is, that if I don't set
boundaries things will just snowball. I've seen that to be true.
[...]
Michelle

Absolutely working on those pesky boundaries! Yeah at WHAT point is anyone enabling another? The electric
quality of O, a person must(?) bolt - relieve that energy. ?Jog around the block?
bolting isn't healthy either. I've been on the receiving end of 'constant' bolting.

But really, constantly

My O is just sitting there quietly with my B waiting for THAT moment of injustice (B p 7hAmF).
Love the multidimensions emotions bring ... the shazam is a 2x4. see-ya! space please, i'm dizzy now.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #61 - on: 30.12.2010 at 23:37 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 30.12.2010 at 22:05 [UT]:
Quote from wanderer on 30.12.2010 at 10:43 [UT]:Bob Marks quote..Uranus Aspecting the Moon: Faith McInnerney, as far as I know, was the first one to notice that people
with stressful aspects between the Moon and Uranus have a fear of abandonment and tend to be hysterics.

GRRRRREAT. Let's just let THAT little secret out. Luckily, Scorp Moons do their hysteria in a silent primal scream, crunched into a corner,
holding their blankie and then whispering to themselves "we don't need anyone do we, precious?"

Well... I think that "hysterics" sounds a bit harsh, says my draconian Eh
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #62 - on: 31.12.2010 at 03:52 [UT] »Quote from Ed Falis on 30.12.2010 at 18:23 [UT]:Bob Makransky has some interesting ways of putting this together. Pick up his ebook; US$10 is a bargain.
http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/22859 . Or browse around the gratis material on his website.
http://www.dearbrutus.com .

Ed, thanks for the great links! I've just bought the books and I find them very interesting, just started reading.
I'm always looking for this kind of information, not much around though.
As for the thread topic, I am related to people with O hard aspects to the personal planets. I find that they'reusually aware of the shortcuts one can take to bend "reality".
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #63 - on: 31.12.2010 at 08:14 [UT] »Oh, reading the Makransky part of lies. Well, yes, then. Living in lies. Sometimes for the sake of piece.
Hm... talking in these terms would make the other think of you as crazy and over critical. But that´s then how
it is to be Onian. And getting the blames of being rude allthough talking in general terms. These kind of
openesses should be tought in schools as there is no way to get the message through to a wider public without
them getting into therapists...
Bibbe, "diving into more of the pages" . Ed, thanks for the link.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #64 - on: 31.12.2010 at 09:43 [UT] »"hysterical" actually has become a very useful and valuable word in the unraveling of Moon Uranus . as long as
there were layers of insulation and disassociation from hysterical infantile emotional foundations thru complex
verbal machinations - the raw force of that emotion persists . hysteria breaks down faster when its clearly
identified ..... Uranian emotional work takes us into solar integration and illumination.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #65 - on: 31.12.2010 at 10:05 [UT] »ooooooops!
This is my orginally first post but it got lost somewhere, propably pops up somewhere else
was my second. Exuce for the messO

The shorter one

As you propably know I´m born the same year as you ADNnO and and involved in T-square. What people
have written is true and not true as how I feel about .
There´s is the speed in the . Though I can sit still and consentrate on doing things, mental. I have a longstubine when doing things that really could annoy, perhaps that has to do with the earth I have: b ASC
making me more stabile. Don´t know.
I have the tendency to withdraw, 12H l B, but there are many dfferent reasons for that. Emotionally feelinghurth when someone doesn´t read/listen to what my needs are. I don´t know if this has to do with somekindof proundness but I´m not very inclined to tell over and over again (the intime partner of mine) what mywishes and expectations are. Sort of wanting/expecting them to explore it...like why don´t they ASK when they
don´t know. Or how have they missed that part when have had conversations. Perhaps that has to do with mymemory...remembering word for word what people tell to me and perhaps the other part isn´t working thatway and I don´t understand that? When people don´t listen...
There is the get easily bored part in my being. If there is no qualitative (my definition ) time I break free anddo my own things.
My friend and I have the past years discussed relationships in general and we have found out that if such aren´tbased on equality - the minds- (there´s a bit of authocracy in this, but this is a discussion that shouls be madewith honesty, right? )so we created a sentense "if you wan´t me to teach you, you have to pay". By that we mean, one get exhausted
when people over and over again lean on and expect you to have the solutions to proplems. Iiiks! This
statement is based on that we both share the profession, but still true. Perhaps this has to do with myapproach to life in general, the self-suffiency part, I´m much more stable when being alone and have more
SPACE and TIME to do my own things. This is of course a bad part when concider intimate relationship. I canbe very social, a real butterfly in that sense but it costs...I´m not always very fond of going to f.ex parties when
I know they is stucked into some kind of patterns, I get over and over again dissapointed. The aloof side.
I know the feeling of being behind the candy-store glass... it sucks, but the reality of what the that "store" hasto offer isn´t always so glorious. Weighening that...well, I don´t know what I want. I´m single just now.
You have a hB...what are the needs then? No swallowness; feeling the depth, and the taboo part with ,secretess, control and is conncted to sex, money, psychology etc Without connecting to B I think there is noperfection.
I have my in water, too. Sigh...Sometimes I just miss the part of the man being the one with trousers and theone taking care of me instead of other way around. But situtations (O= sudden, shocking) makes scars andpropably get stored in the (sub)counsious,B , until there´s too much and all gets to boil over. Rejected whenweek. Love gets sour. BUT I never tell the other about how I afterwards have has insights of matters that mademyself cold/braking the situation as the matter isn´t about forgivness. Life is shit...that´s why I often don´tmemorise happenings, just let them pass.
Oh, this got a bit pathetic. I have mostly lot of fun with myO as it myuB . Love the exitment, very true. It´sthe exploring part
Pouring out some thoughts together with a piece of my life-story running into fears for intimacy,
Hugs,
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #66 - on: 31.12.2010 at 10:25 [UT] »Ed Falisthough "reality" has its messages about other parts of life here at the second Sa return.
Sometimes it's a matter of letting the gerbils running around in your head do their thing without paying too
much attention to them - they eventually do settle down a good bit. Because it's the attention they thrive on.
It makes them feel real. That's a poor man's paraphrase of Shunryu Suzuki-Roshi's famous "Give your sheep a
big pasture" comment.

Sorry, if there are hard times for you. If there is anything someone could help with, feel free to talk/ask. Hope I
wasn´t too franck, got just a feeling of empathy.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #67 - on: 31.12.2010 at 13:45 [UT] »Many things I'm reading here really ring true for me too.
I find that what others call coincidence is normal to me.
I've always been 'Bohemian'.I've never been a group player.
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Uranus is never personal...the outer planets aren't.Perhaps when it aspects such the personal and vulnerable
emotional body as the moon the energy is hard to cope with.Are we channeling the collective unconsious? I
certainly have a deep empathy with anything Uranian.
" Like a magician waving its wand or a genie granting a wish, Uranus liberates the potentials of another planet’s
symbolism in a fascinating, unpredictable, and exciting way."
If the chart is very earthy or watery it may be more difficult to deal with this unpredictability. It's useful tounderstand it's uranus not you,it's the unconscious breaking out. Maybe the conjunction with Jupiter is showing
us Uranus more clearly.
At 12 I started high school and was excited because on my initial visit there I saw the school motto written in
Latin above the door It said 'To thine own self be true" Imagine my high minded disappointment when I
realised after 3 weeks that this was not what the school stood for at all,I practised great disdain for that schoolfor 4 years!
Part of my flee impulse I've come to understand is that I find it difficult when with others to know what's theirmoods and whats mine. It's almost like their moods overwhelm mine and I start to go into meltdown.. I can't
live with groups of people,its too 'noisy' with emotion and I don't do parties;I sit outside all night talking withthe only person who dosen't run emotional interference.
Thoughtforms looks great (it has Buddhist parralells)
Like you,Ed I find meditation a necessary part of every day(and like you I got lost in a very strict diet of
Vipassana),I found it by myself at 13 sitting alone at night in our local church after I escaped an oppressive
home,I have found various other forms since.
For me there are 4 minds calm/peaceful(natural state),focused(useful for becoming calm and peaceful) andagitated(delusional/ignorant/untrained/undisciplined state) and white light (enlightened state).
I've come to realise that there's nothing 'out there' that it's all in here and therefore can be reprogrammed.
My son has sun rising in Aquarius and Uranus conj MC.
this talk by Claire Martin contains insights re Uranus.
http://www.astro.com/mtp/mtp51_e.htm

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #68 - on: 31.12.2010 at 14:22 [UT] »Quote Andrea
As for the thread topic, I am related to people with hard aspects to the personal planets. I find that they'reusually aware of the shortcuts one can take to bend "reality".
Depends what you mean by reality
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #69 - on: 31.12.2010 at 14:40 [UT] »Quote from Evolving on 30.12.2010 at 23:06 [UT]:[Ah...don't you hear the BUT coming? How can I explain this in words...and being short.

I once heard that "Yes, but" is the mating call of the a**hole.
personally, Evolving-- just the phrase struck me funny is all.)(not in any way to imply this about you

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l energetically and spiritually understands being ONE, thus not having resistance. However our Soul is bound by human form,
encapsulated to the resistance of form. We walk with the suffering pressure, moreso when being so aware and not numb. l Numbing isbeing a unconscious coward (drinking/drugs).
Resistance is boundaries. For al to be in complete true inner acceptance, would mean being WAY too open. Can't explain this, sorry. If I
AmF A completely open l is a sight tolived in a bubble vs. relating to other's energy, I'd be gold. I could expand without resistance.
see. I miss those moments.

I think that perhaps something got lost in translation here. And frankly I don't know if I can sufficiently convey
what I'm aware of in this regard. All I can say is that in my experience I have discovered a state free from innerresistance to what the moment brings, without subjecting myself to abuse of any kind. Although I experimentwith boundaries from time to time (both in myself and in relation to others) I am no doormat by any means.
There's a way to keep the heart and mind open while also maintaining integrity for one's well being. And I findthat setting boundaries for behavior doesn't compromise that inner openness, and in fact is supportive of it, as
it is only intelligent to do so.
Maybe it's one of those things that all the explaining in the world can't quite convey it and one must tap into
the direct experience of such a state to really know it's possible. So I best leave the subject be at this point.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #70 - on: 31.12.2010 at 14:42 [UT] »Quote Ms m...Well... I think that "hysterics" sounds a bit harsh, says my draconian
They may mean the psychological term hysteric...meaning Behavior exhibiting excessive or uncontrollable
emotion, such as fear or panic.

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Quote Sleepy Lady
"I have a lot of good aspects to my moon, so my mother was wonderful in just about every way. I recently
commented on another thread that I just wish she had been a little more affectionate. She was always a little
aloof, affectionately distant though never uncaring. I guess that's shown by my moon ...that's all I can think ofbecause she was an incredibly stable person."Interestingly the most important quality I need in others close to me is consistency.I expect them to tell me ifthey are off key as I tell others.
My older sister was my little mother.She was very jealous as we were 18mths apart. She bit, pinched and hit me
whenever she could for my first 3 years,and then spent the next 10 years playing 'lets leave her out' gameswith my other sister.
Pluto has been TR conjunct my moon for a long time so all this stuff surfaced.
I know the BnO is why I feel mad from time to time. But I only slam the door once a year now.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #71 - on: 01.01.2011 at 18:43 [UT] »Last night I was at a new year's eve celebration with a crowd of people, many of them my friends. When theball dropped at midnight, I just sat and watched the television screen while everyone embraced someone andyelled "happy new year!". I was completely alone. I had no desire to "find someone" to embrace and celebrate
with. I walked outside and smoked a cigarette until the craziness was over.
It's times like this, when everyone else is doing what is "supposed to be done" (like hugging and kissing at
midnight on New Year's Eve) that I experience my greatest alienation and I don't have any desire to force achange upon myself. I suppose if I had a partner I would certainly hug and kiss them, but because I don't, I
exclude myself.

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dislike of self pity); loneliness is simply my acknowledgment that currently I am in a situation where my deep
inner need to be connected to someone intimately is not being met. The feeling does not last - it passes withinminutes, but I acknowledge it.
I went back inside and started dancing again (I was at a venue with a live band).
Meh..... life goes on.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #72 - on: 01.01.2011 at 20:00 [UT] »DOG- astrology aside- much of what you mention sounds like depression...
Give it some thought
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #73 - on: 01.01.2011 at 20:09 [UT] »It's her moon o uranus I would do the same thing. Hard to 'act' like some people can.

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Krista ShippMember« Reply #74 - on: 01.01.2011 at 20:15 [UT] »Thannx for the info- E..
I've only read this thread sporadically..
Thats a tough aspect- tho BoJ is tougher imo
I have BpO....
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KristaI'm a little confused about the 'fitting in'.. or why its such a big deal ?... The Beauty of people or a group isthat we are all different... A cookie cutter world would be boring & a tad roo
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #75 - on: 01.01.2011 at 20:29 [UT] »http://www.gratefulness.org/#My Neppy ebergy drew me here years ago

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #76 - on: 01.01.2011 at 20:30 [UT] »New Years Eve (to a hB) is an intimate moment. With the oO is emotional alienation.
If she felt connected emotionally to another there, she'd perhaps be bouncing around lighting up everyone
around. (I might be wrong but my gut says this).
Krista, you're a Pisces Moon'r -- so you would see the moment to capture, embracing all around.
Scorpio Moon knows limits and in that setting would feel uncomfortable physically embracing a stranger. For
me, would give me an 'ew' feeling.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #77 - on: 01.01.2011 at 20:34 [UT] »It has not been easy- but I do vibrate to the Higher octaves
Of l/ Neppy in my chart..

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #78 - on: 01.01.2011 at 22:01 [UT] »Yes, for this Bh, New Year's Eve is best shared one-on-one. I have, like the two shabbily dressed beggars,
peering into the church from the outside in the five of pentacles tarot card, longed to be at one of those 30s
Busby Berkeley extravaganzas for New Years', surrounded by the Pluto in Gemini dream of togetherness andfrivolity, but I've never been able to make that happen. I don't even know where to find one of those venues,
yet i had friends in the old days who used to drag me to that stuff, or threaten to. I kinda wish I could be thatlight-hearted that you could just don taffeta and chiffon with no thought to cost or waste or world peace or
people starving in wherever the next disaster is, and just "enjoy yourself."
ARGH.
One wonders how they felt when they woke up the next morning after expressing all that largesse, that
Fitzgerald generation... the one that ended up on the dole after the Wall Street crash...

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #79 - on: 01.01.2011 at 22:10 [UT] »I have spent New Years Eves- alone/ 1-1/ & I'be been the woman in the sequinned gown...

All have their own special plusses- & I guess drawbacks..
But variety is what its all about- If you had to spend EVERY holiday
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exactly the same way- that rigidity would be oppressive

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Personally- I not at all one to run away from the linelight..
Aren't we CanLeos supposed to be shy, retiring & modest ??
Nah- thats tpp general- it depends on the chart
Above all else is this : We are here to usher in another year..
KristaThe memory of 2 New Years Eves I spent at was was once
'Windows On the World' at the top of the WTC are haunting,unsettling
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #80 - on: 01.01.2011 at 22:23 [UT] »Dog, I can see how you'd be a little sad. Was it your lunar return yesterday? I know the Moon was in Scorpio.
Eclipse last week, the holidays, eclipse this week - an emotionally charged time for many.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #81 - on: 02.01.2011 at 02:30 [UT] »I had a treat New Years-went to see "The Tourist" and then off to a party. The movie gave me a fantasy bubbleof ball gowns-felt like I lived vicariously, sigh...where are these balls/we need to revive them although I like thatevery year presents new sparkle and twists to how I spend the New Year-my favorite has been skiing andstaying in a cozy cabin/fire place--ah....Uranus/Jupiter p Venus made it a very fun night-Venus o
Neptune/Jupiter lent the fantasy/allure/escape of far off places-even if in ones head or at the moviesNo
one kissed or hugged at the party although a few wanted to until I said I was recovering from the flu and thenblew my horn
That was my Uranus Mars exit -everyone was more into their sparklers and horns-it was very
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #82 - on: 02.01.2011 at 03:27 [UT] »Quote from Evolving on 01.01.2011 at 20:30 [UT]:New Years Eve (to ahB) is an intimate moment. With the oO is emotional alienation.

If she felt connected emotionally to another there, she'd perhaps be bouncing around lighting up everyone around. (I might be wrong but
my gut says this).
Krista, you're a Pisces Moon'r -- so you would see the moment to capture, embracing all around.
Scorpio Moon knows limits and in that setting would feel uncomfortable physically embracing a stranger. For me, would give me an 'ew'
feeling.

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Krista - depressed? (scratches head...) What's that??? I guess that acknowledging "alienation" is a foreign

concept to one with Moon TRINE Uranus versus Moon SQUARE Uranus and most likely a trine would find it"depressing" to be alienated while the square, well, we've just learned to live with it. But the purpose of thisthread was to make it so the hard aspects don't feel so FREAKISH about the fact that we have this quirk.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #83 - on: 02.01.2011 at 03:46 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 02.01.2011 at 03:27 [UT]:
Quote from Evolving on 01.01.2011 at 20:30 [UT]:New Years Eve (to ahB) is an intimate moment. With the oO is emotional alienation.

If she felt connected emotionally to another there, she'd perhaps be bouncing around lighting up everyone around. (I might
be wrong but my gut says this).
Krista, you're a Pisces Moon'r -- so you would see the moment to capture, embracing all around.
Scorpio Moon knows limits and in that setting would feel uncomfortable physically embracing a stranger. For me, would
give me an 'ew' feeling.

If I had been emotionally connected to someone I'd have been looking them soulfully in the eyes, breathing theintention for 2011 and deeply kissing them to seal the deal.

True e-nuf dog-ette!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #84 - on: 02.01.2011 at 10:14 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 01.01.2011 at 18:43 [UT]:Last night I was at a new year's eve celebration with a crowd of people, many of them my friends. When the ball dropped at midnight, I
just sat and watched the television screen while everyone embraced someone and yelled "happy new year!". I was completely alone. I had
no desire to "find someone" to embrace and celebrate with. I walked outside and smoked a cigarette until the craziness was over.

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It's times like this, when everyone else is doing what is "supposed to be done" (like hugging and kissing at midnight on New Year's Eve)that I experience my greatest alienation and I don't have any desire to force a change upon myself. I suppose if I had a partner I would
certainly hug and kiss them, but because I don't, I exclude myself.
I did feel loneliness afterward, but that's par for the course, I often feel that way when rebelling against the "norm". I don't have self-pity(because then I would feel compelled to change my behavior-- I have a great dislike of self pity); loneliness is simply myacknowledgment that currently I am in a situation where my deep inner need to be connected to someone intimately is not being met. The
feeling does not last - it passes within minutes, but I acknowledge it.
I went back inside and started dancing again (I was at a venue with a live band).
Meh..... life goes on.

I absolutely understand this,I didn't 'do' Christmas this year ,not 1 thing,just let it go over my head.On New
years eve I watched Leonard Cohen live show on TV and went to bed. Leonard makes more sense than these
meaningless festivals (my view)! 'Supposed to be done' says it all,BO must be true to themselves.They don't
like to pretend.They believe in spontaneous enjoyment,what presents itself then and there,the adventure,noneof the securely repetitive ritualistic experiences others look for. I can't understand why people go to look at asunset. The sunset that you just see accidently' is so wonderful. The only way I can be part of these things is toget drunk and I don't do that these days.I can also act it out but I can't be bothered these days.On new years
day I couldn't find a seat on the train they were all puked on,that says a lot!
I can't believe how I relate to what you all here are saying,I didn't realise all this was BO.thanks
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #85 - on: 02.01.2011 at 16:08 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 02.01.2011 at 03:27 [UT]:
Quote from Evolving on 01.01.2011 at 20:30 [UT]:New Years Eve (to ahB) is an intimate moment. With the oO is emotional alienation.

If she felt connected emotionally to another there, she'd perhaps be bouncing around lighting up everyone around. (I might
be wrong but my gut says this).
Krista, you're a Pisces Moon'r -- so you would see the moment to capture, embracing all around.

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Scorpio Moon knows limits and in that setting would feel uncomfortable physically embracing a stranger. For me, would
give me an 'ew' feeling.

If I had been emotionally connected to someone I'd have been looking them soulfully in the eyes, breathing the intention for 2011 anddeeply kissing them to seal the deal.

Krista - depressed? (scratches head...) What's that??? I guess that acknowledging "alienation" is a foreign concept to one with Moon
TRINE Uranus versus Moon SQUARE Uranus and most likely a trine would find it "depressing" to be alienated while the square, well, we've
just learned to live with it. But the purpose of this thread was to make it so the hard aspects don't feel so FREAKISH about the fact that
we have this quirk.

Missy
We all have a mixture in our charts- you know that..
I have a Cardinal T- square,,, Under hard transits- it can be tough- but this is Life....
So- I choose to see the donut & not the hole...
No- you can't change your planets- but you can adaptI truly don't grasp all of this -' I don't feel like I belong...I don't feel like other people...I went on the roof to bealone'or 'otherpeople/ he/she doesn't like me'- Who gives a rats ass if someone 'likes you or not ??? It's their loss..'
Hold yourself unique- always- don't put a negative spin on it
Thats not aspects- thats a pity party
You MAKE your own reality

KristaDespite what many Believe- my life has not been all magazine covers & awards...
I have known & dealt with the deepest despair & made it
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #86 - on: 02.01.2011 at 16:25 [UT] »Awesome post, Krista!! **applause**
PS This exchange between Krista and Dog/Evolving reminds me of the ongoing debate I have between mybrother-in-law and me.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #87 - on: 02.01.2011 at 17:58 [UT] »To be free from IT ALL is to recognize ALL is just an Experience! A great mantra to repeat in ones head.
For the record, I don't debate astro.

I'll leave that for the fire signs.

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To be free from IT ALL is to recognize ALL is just an Experience! A great mantra to repeat in ones head.
For the record, I don't debate astro.

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Evolving,
It important for even those"non-debaters" to realize what is true of their own Experience cannot be assumed to
be true for the next person, even given the same type of placements. (I am not just talking about this thread)I thought debating/discussing was an exchange of differing ideas stemming from "standing different angles in
the room."
BTW, as I recall from your chart you have posted many times, I am pretty sure you have personal planet(s) in
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #89 - on: 02.01.2011 at 18:22 [UT] »Consciously not taking or avoiding taking a position is taking a position.

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Ex Member« Reply #91 - on: 02.01.2011 at 19:04 [UT] »Quote from vertex on 02.01.2011 at 18:17 [UT]:
Quote from Evolving on 02.01.2011 at 17:58 [UT]:
To be free from IT ALL is to recognize ALL is just an Experience! A great mantra to repeat in ones head.
For the record, I don't debate astro.

I'll leave that for the fire signs.

We all standing from different angles in the room.
Peace*Out

Evolving,
It important for even those"non-debaters" to realize what is true of their own Experience cannot be assumed to be true for the next
person, even given the same type of placements. (I am not just talking about this thread)I thought debating/discussing was an exchange of differing ideas stemming from "standing different angles in the room."
BTW, as I recall from your chart you have posted many times, I am pretty sure you have personal planet(s) in the fire signs, right?

The experience I'm speaking of is more from an observer, not part of the experience.
Hey, I'm a Pisces conj Jupiter. Not part of this worldly illusion matters.
Refusing to submit OrE
Yesterday floating thoughts to take a break from astro. Need to disconnect.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #92 - on: 02.01.2011 at 19:12 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 02.01.2011 at 18:27 [UT]:
Yes- but what kind of a position ???
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There are infinite ways one can take a position by not engaging in a debate. Avoidance, is one. Can it bepossible that something can be so threatening or shaming that one has become disassociated from that aspectof self that ACTUALLY IS invested in the debate entirely. One can actively choose not to have an opinion or notfight, because taking a position would keep one intellectually, physically, mentally or spiritually "still" longenough to be vulnerable to being "attacked" or "caught"... As an example l fish don't like being "caught" inPosts: 3684
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themselves into a debate, they are not invested in the outcome. However, nothing could be further from thetruth. Watching in the stands is a necessary position until you can commit to a position, with healthyboundaries, protective defenses and/or good offenses. And... You cannot have a game without the spectators.
Even the players themselves are working both ends of the debate AND being a spectator in the game, assessing
how it is played out. Likewise, the non-participant IS in fact playing in the game, empathically playing bothsides, not necessarily preferring one side over the other. Furthermore... If you do not show up for the game,then it doesn't exist for you. But if one is here, presenting an opinion to not be involved, they are taking a
position of the illusion of non-involvement. The ruse, the illusion is that they are invested, but are notconscious of how... yet. A position in the bleecher seats, rooting for one side or the other, or both, and notcommitting to one side until the winner has been decided is necessary for some. Even apathy is a position
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #93 - on: 02.01.2011 at 19:17 [UT] »So- an open, honest, & having the courage of your convictions Forum..is a 'game' ??
With spectators??
And you can be 'attacked' ??

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #94 - on: 02.01.2011 at 20:10 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 02.01.2011 at 19:17 [UT]:
So- an open, honest, & having the courage of your convictions Forum..is a 'game' ??
With spectators??
And you can be 'attacked' ??

That is the anthisesis of what this Forum is meant to be..

Sad...but not surprised

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Gender:Oh, I don't consider it "sad' at all... Uncomfortable at times, sure, it can be for me. But I am a glutton forpunishment... or lover of the game... or like to bat around ideas... or love to hold an opposing position to see
what it's like... or love to challenge myself through others. Or all of those things at the same time. (Uranus is in
my 9th house). I see it like a game. Others, maybe not. If you can walk through it like a game, it isn't sad. It's
challenging yourself to be creative, inventive, and exploratory... discovering aspects of yourself you neverimagined before.
For me, the forum is a place for discussion. And all discussions are in the realm of playing with ideas. Children
learn through play... With others, self and with inanimate objects. Board games, football, solitare, and mud
pies... Toddlers love to learn to sweep and do "chores" as they learn from them and develop individuation andself confidence. Why not consider this realm of playing with ideas a "game" as well?
What we "kids" do here is no different. much of the time... even when we are having a "mature" debate. It's stillplay until someone over identifies with their ideas as an aspect of Self. We are not our ideas. How can we be. If
I were, I'd be a tall thin, attractive blonde with a long waist, and fabulous wardrobe!
However, here, unlike children, we are put in a position where we can choose to referee our own thoughts, ideas
and the game of it all for ourselves... or not. It's kind of like we're all playing a game of Ascendents here... Orplaying in our 1st house here. I think that has been mentioned before by others. It's not all of us, just an
aspect, one perspective, or position. And people always take a position, because we all have an ego. In football,
you can be on the defense, the offense, attack, be attacked, maneuvre, plan, visualize, predict, intuit, and soone... All the realms of possibilities, exploring your self about others, your ideas, beliefs and so on... being
challenged or "attacked" is part of the game of life. How you approach it shows you where you need to grow,develop Self and so on... I think this forum can be very uncomfortable, at times, but I would not trade it foranything, as it is challenging me, teaching me, and showing me aspects of my Self. It is a game that I takeseriously some days, not so much others.
Are we not playing with ideas? Are we just kids in grown up suits? It doesn't have to be "sad." Children full of
curiosity and undefended egos love to play games, games of chance... Being open or honest is about being
courageous to be intimate with Self, and discovering yourself. Some people can do this here in the Forum,
others use other means... It's endless how you can approach the Forum, but how you do is a reflection of how
you approach self development.
Me? I'm pretty invested with my 9th house Of position is heavily aspected in my 9th, 8th, 11th and aminorly in my 4th houses. It touches almost everything in my chart. So, for me, I often don't take a position,
because I can't decide, or am not prepared to face an "attack." OR... I take one to the "death" when my Mars is
activated, exhausting the possibilities. OR I just go out into left field, play the renegade and see how the rest of
the world reacts to that. Playing any role you can to discover an aspect of self can be fun if you let it.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #95 - on: 02.01.2011 at 20:25 [UT] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.01.2011 at 18:22 [UT]:
Consciously not taking or avoiding taking a position is taking a position.

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Gender:There is a stark difference between A) neutrality B) seeing both sides on an issue ..... and C) taking a firm
position but resorting to passive-aggressive indirect hidden jabs which others are not allowed to question.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #96 - on: 02.01.2011 at 20:33 [UT] »Quote from vertex on 02.01.2011 at 20:25 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.01.2011 at 18:22 [UT]:

Consciously not taking or avoiding taking a position is taking a position.

There is a stark difference between A) neutrality B) seeing both sides on an issue ..... and C) taking a firm position but resorting topassive-aggressive indirect hidden jabs which others are not allowed to question.

They are all positions.

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you have one, then ask yourself why you do or don't get in the game. It's a judgment call. Judgment makes
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #97 - on: 02.01.2011 at 20:38 [UT] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.01.2011 at 20:33 [UT]:
Quote from vertex on 02.01.2011 at 20:25 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.01.2011 at 18:22 [UT]:

Consciously not taking or avoiding taking a position is taking a position.
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resorting to passive-aggressive indirect hidden jabs which others are not allowed to question.

They are all positions.

Yes, but don't confuse C with A or B. Different animals.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #98 - on: 02.01.2011 at 20:41 [UT] »Quote from vertex on 02.01.2011 at 20:38 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.01.2011 at 20:33 [UT]:
Quote from vertex on 02.01.2011 at 20:25 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 02.01.2011 at 18:22 [UT]:

Consciously not taking or avoiding taking a position is taking a position.

There is a stark difference between A) neutrality B) seeing both sides on an issue ..... and C) taking a firm
position but resorting to passive-aggressive indirect hidden jabs which others are not allowed to question.

They are all positions.

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It's still a position regardless of perspective. If you create context and/or you orient yourself to the situation,
you have created a position. And even hypothetically, if you are "neutral" you have created context yet again.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #99 - on: 02.01.2011 at 20:57 [UT] »Krista, I will continue having astro discussions/debates in an open, honest and DIRECT manner.... it sure beatsplaying "games".
Quote from Evolving on 02.01.2011 at 19:04 [UT]:
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Quote from Evolving on 02.01.2011 at 17:58 [UT]:
To be free from IT ALL is to recognize ALL is just an Experience! A great mantra to repeat in ones head.
For the record, I don't debate astro.

I'll leave that for the fire signs.

We all standing from different angles in the room.
Peace*Out

Evolving,
It important for even those"non-debaters" to realize what is true of their own Experience cannot be assumed to be true forthe next person, even given the same type of placements. (I am not just talking about this thread)I thought debating/discussing was an exchange of differing ideas stemming from "standing different angles in the room."
BTW, as I recall from your chart you have posted many times, I am pretty sure you have personal planet(s) in the fire
signs, right?

The experience I'm speaking of is more from an observer, not part of the experience.
Hey, I'm a Pisces conj Jupiter. Not part of this worldly illusion matters.
Refusing to submit

OrE

Yesterday floating thoughts to take a break from astro. Need to disconnect.

Hi Evolving, No need to hide behind fuzzy l stereotypes....I don't bite
I am labeling your quote for clarity for my following response:"The experience I'm speaking of is more from an observer, not part of the experience"
Don't you see that Red Experience (your experience of being an observer) is influenced by Purple Experience(your own experience)?
You've stated in many threads that you have the ability/talent to "sniff out" characteristics of other people very
well. Maybe one day you will realize that needing to state that self-proclaimed talent as fact and repeatedly atthat (as opposed to that ability/talent to speak for itself with action/on-target results) demonstrates you are
only reading aspects of yourself in other people.
I wasn't sure what you mean by that "refusing to submit to ErO" comment......But it did compelled my lazy
butt look for your chart.
E (energy of self-assertion) is in style of e (a fire sign). You have a waning semisextile between Ee11thrOf 12th. Have you read the current semi-sextile thread in the "Other Branches
thread"? By "refusing to submit" do you mean "renounce" certain characteristics of one of the planets?
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #100 - on: 02.01.2011 at 20:58 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 02.01.2011 at 19:17 [UT]:
So- an open, honest, & having the courage of your convictions Forum..is a 'game' ??
With spectators??
And you can be 'attacked' ??

That is the anthisesis of what this Forum is meant to be..

Sad...but not surprised

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Gender:KristaOMG, the attacks that have happened on this forum! I don't hold myself above it, everyone knows I've been
known to get up on a soapbox and blather on about my beliefs, normally because someone else has held theirbeliefs above all else's. Uranus no likey that. I don't want this thread to turn into a blame/shame game about
our aspects; I realize the only power nwe have is to *choose* how to react, so I guess you can say that it is
my CHOICE to detach, withdraw, or even "alienate" myself, despite the fact that another may not understandit. I don't think it's a pity party, it's my way of COPING. Being uber-social and ingratiating yourself is also a
coping mechanism, we all have our ways.
I meant no disrespect, sorry if it came off that way. Bygones!!!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #101 - on: 02.01.2011 at 23:37 [UT] »I believe our chart is our blueprint.We are individuals.We are all on our path at different stages of learning anddeveloping together.Our aspects may be our karma.
BO contacts are one aspect. Where the outer planets connect to the personal is where we meet the collective
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and that is powerful. We deal with these contacts according to our understanding and experience which is
growing and changing.
If we are wise we do that with compassion in a peaceful atmosphere allowing each other to be at their stage
and giving wise counsel from our hearts.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #102 - on: 02.01.2011 at 23:54 [UT] »I have NO idea how we got from BO aspects tofeeling threatened, attacked- etc... Certainly wasn't my intention... We can agree to disagree without mortal
wounds,I have mentioned this before.. We have a very unique opportunity to interact as astro saavy women
here.
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obviously that
Gift is not realized or used.
Ironic that many of the 'recently reticent' here have had no problems being truculent on other threads..
Our actions define us- no way around that one
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #103 - on: 03.01.2011 at 00:50 [UT] »Great, we can move on then, no?
So as I said, I have a Uranus/Chiron/Moon t-square.
When reached my Uranus opposition at age 40, I had a toddler and my (now ex) husband was descending intosome kind of depressed, suicidal episode. It may be that unbeknownst to us, the ALS that he has now been
diagnosed with had taken hold and his "chemistry" was altered. I dunno.

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Gender:But the year was 1999 and most of you know 1999 was the year of the great fixed t-square involving Mars retro
in h Uranus in k and Saturn in b BLECH!!! The Mars retro happened right on my Moon, Uranus was
stationed on my natal Chiron, Saturn had just crossed my late degree Aries Asc. and gone into Taurus,
opposing my Scorp stellium in the 7th.
Hoo boy, that was a fun time. I hope that when we pass over this mortal plane we all get to see what the "bestpossible reaction" would have been to certain situations in our lives. I for one would have loved to have beentutored in how to SEE the possibilities differently, instead of re-acting in the way I did to the events that came
down. As it was, my ex was telling me that I would be visited by the police who would inform me that theyfound him in his car with a shotgun in his mouth (how's that for a Uranus picture?) and that it was all my fault.
I bore that burden for quite awhile (I did have a baby with him, and we had been friends for 20 years before
we got married, and I had never seen this side of him) but when Saturn crossed my Asc. I realized that I wasgoing to go down with the ship if something didn't happen. I tried to tell his family, but they didn't believe me
because my ex was capable of turning on extreme charm when he wanted to, and he did not want his family toknow he was depressed. So he said I was making it up because we were having marital difficulties and I wasgoing to ask for full custody.
I know all of this because of that "phone conversation" that Uranus happened to FORCE ME TO HEAR throughthe base of the cordless phone that day.... in 1999.
Also, when Mars was squaring Uranus in 1999, there was a murder just up the street from my house and theentire block was cordoned off and I couldn't get to my home. I was not allowed to walk past the barricades
and so I sat in my car, 50 yards from my home, stewing in my own juices for hours until they let us return toour homes.
I am not fond of Mars/Uranus events.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #104 - on: 03.01.2011 at 01:43 [UT] »(((((DOG)))))& I though you loved me for my EOmd...

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for lack of a better term- an astro, supportive 'coven'..
Well- My T is Fa/Ed/Ig& T G is exactly on Neppy now....
That brings me to my Yod- Bl (apex)/Je/

Ig ( of course T G affects that too)
We all have felt the same extremes of emotions....good& horrid...
Perhaps its all in how we assimilate it ??
None of us are immune from those little murders
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #105 - on: 03.01.2011 at 02:30 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 02.01.2011 at 23:54 [UT]:
I have NO idea how we got fromBO aspects tofeeling threatened, attacked- etc... Certainly wasn't my intention... We can agree to disagree without mortal wounds,

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So apart from the stereotype women that go to the gym, male bash, talk about diets,...lie to each. But obviously that
Gift is not realized or used.
Ironic that many of the 'recently reticent' here have had no problems being truculent on other threads..
Our actions define us- no way around that one
VERTEX- Indeed the strong do survivelB & not shivering in my boots,
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #106 - on: 03.01.2011 at 03:19 [UT] »dog8818, just want you to know how well you explained your events. wow. pretty intense. must admit you
showed a great sense of humor about it, despite the challenges.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #107 - on: 03.01.2011 at 07:48 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 03.01.2011 at 01:43 [UT]:
I do hope you give some thought to what I said above about the opportunity we have here to really be for lack of a better term- an astro,
supportive 'coven'..

what part of my response didn't appear to have given some support to what you said? Is there some otherMercury station language I should have spoken?
Just wondering how I can continue to be misunderstood while trying to clarify and support, yet leave room
open for differing opinions without judgment. Perhaps if you tell me "here's what I would have liked to have
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Head scratching....

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #108 - on: 03.01.2011 at 08:29 [UT] »I've felt alienated for most of my life, no exageration or self pity!
I usually think those who don't get that feeling, at least sometimes, are either missing something or in denial,
actually I envy them.
I do have BpO so I suppose that helps me to manage being different, but also a grand crossDAscoOoGIoN.
On reflection I think the DON feels the most difficult but not really deep, if that makes any sense. Still, notfor me nice affirming friendships or girly chats or real marriage.
Positively, I don't run with crowd, because they won't have or understand me...or so it feels, or is it me that
won't have them. I think there must be a positive side to that? I am at least my own person.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #109 - on: 03.01.2011 at 10:11 [UT] »We could all get together & scratch each others heads.....
& KNOW we're in a judgement-free zone..
Now that's my favorite world

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #110 - on: 03.01.2011 at 10:41 [UT] »The Happy Coven, all drinking tea.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #111 - on: 03.01.2011 at 11:34 [UT] »Quote from Amused on 03.01.2011 at 10:41 [UT]:The Happy Coven, all drinking tea.

Are you sure that's tea?
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #112 - on: 03.01.2011 at 12:07 [UT] »It is entirely possible, I suppose, that the Coven was involved in a suicide-pact hemlock party, rather than a tea
party, but I prefer the tea party motif.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #113 - on: 03.01.2011 at 17:39 [UT] »Not THIS Coven- we are into self love...& watching each others backs

We might serve it to a suspicious outsider though- one who does not truly wish us well...or speaks false
words...

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #114 - on: 04.01.2011 at 04:33 [UT] »Oh, my! And what if the outsider has BoO? Have pity.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #115 - on: 04.01.2011 at 13:32 [UT] »~~~then we are kind & make an effort to understand that persons needs..
IF he/she is a smart ass after that- they get the 'SpecialTea'...

Many here have spoken of profound emotions ..
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I don't know if this is a departure- but I am going through a situation

Gender:where I feel totally used & abandoned now that I need help...
I go the distance for those I really care for & have...
Now that a break up has occurred- I am getting zero cooperation in him
helping me get 4 cartons of my stuff moved from 'there' to here'
I Believe I have shown kindness, generosity, and gave a LOT of emotional leeway to this person..
All to get a kick in the teeth ??
Yet- to become jaded, and wary in dealing with someone; measuring all I do would be very dispiriting..
The son of a bitch in question has kB s Od// BpI.. ( yeah- SO 'spiritual'- he'de take the quarters off adead mans eyes)
This is the kind of hurt & minimization that feels like unshed tears- a fist in the chest..
May I assume that many of you have at times felt this emotion for various reasons??
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #116 - on: 04.01.2011 at 18:26 [UT] »I am so sorry you are going through this, Krista. When we get past a certain age, it seems like we should havesuffered enough already and should be able to escape involvement with people like this. It's so tiresome, isn't
it, to give and give and not have the giving reciprocated?
Sorry I don't remember your chart, but I wonder
where your N. Node is.
I'm sure if you wanted to share more (maybe elsewhere if it doesn't fit here), others would be happy to lend an
astrological hand.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #117 - on: 04.01.2011 at 18:39 [UT] »Any BO aspects indicate an "anything goes" quality, because receptive nature of B is accentuated by strange
happenings O. Emotional craving for changes, not staying stuck in a rut of dispair.
Depression? Hating Life? Feeling sorrowful for oneself? Not inclined to be BO.
Emotions ditch out for new excitement with this duo.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #118 - on: 04.01.2011 at 18:40 [UT] »Thank you much-((( Lady))))my nodal axis- 3-9

K 10 l H9
SM m D10f- H3....
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #119 - on: 04.01.2011 at 19:21 [UT] »Quote:
Depression? Hating Life? Feeling sorrowful for oneself? Not inclined to beBO

I have BoO and I've been depressed most of my life; however, it's probably caused by something else, not the
BoO. And with life-long depression, you do feel sorry for yourself sometimes, no matter how strong you are.
I don't have a craving for excitement so much; in my case, this aspect just makes me unpredictable and mainly
desperate to find a way of escape from uncomfortable circumstances.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #120 - on: 04.01.2011 at 19:23 [UT] »Quote:
SM 10- H3....

OK. I had to really think about this. I assume you mean South Node.
So...you find it easy to be a good "neighbor" and "relative", but somehow it never turns out as well as you want
it to... Maybe "far away" is better for you? I should look this up before I speculate, I guess.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #121 - on: 04.01.2011 at 19:29 [UT] »Krista, this Bk person.... these people cause so much of their own grief to themselves, we do not have to get
revenge; they save us time, energy, and hemlock, because they are so busy screwing up, eventually they screw
themselves over too.
Please go do something fun that makes you happy and takes your mind off this, hunny-bunny. Life is really,
really short. My last remaining older relative, who is only 83 (not really that old, it seems) just returned twodays ago from emergency surgery for congestive heart failure, and, let's be realistic, doesn't have long tolive.... and all I can say is.... each day belongs to us. It's really all we ever 'possess,' that and our body, mind,
and spirt, all of which we need to take care of.
Remember, this kind of stress that you're dealing with also leads to illness, and nothing is worth that. Whateverwrong this guy did you is not going to be made better by making yourself sick. d

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #122 - on: 04.01.2011 at 19:41 [UT] »Thank you much ((((*****)))))
I just posted a chart in Horary about WHY he calls me so often to tell me how perfect she is; the love is
FOREVER- etc.. She will move in soon- etc
From my view- better her than me..
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I have a very bad bad cold since 2 days after Christmas..
I osoally 'bounce back' so quickly
Thank all of you ) Beloved People)
You've made me feel less alone
We got a Clan going on !!!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #123 - on: 04.01.2011 at 21:01 [UT] »Krista I as a l resonate with the give-give-give. Selfless service being my nature. and, also recognizing
opposites we attract, takers.
Being courted as it were, feels invigorating however in how, what, and how much we give I think needs
reflection.
Ironically a d gal, she too gave and gave, finding him only to be married a year later. She was parallelingconversation because of my experience. She knows the gal I had a connection with, has known her for 15
years. However I don't think she really knows ALL. She stated everyone should have a report card. We neverknow someone's colors until we get further into relating with them.
I'm a hair width short of calling off relationships all together. I'm on a guarded field now.
My agenda in connecting with someone has integrity, action, generousity, warmth, recognition andacknowledgment.
If recognition and acknowledgment isn't returned, I doubt their fortitude. Their thoughts are of rejecting me
however it's their mirror.
My BoO is nonconformitist in a group setting and bucks convention in a relationship when they tell me HOW I
should BE.
A f friend also has BoO (I just now checked) and upon a relationship ending, she gives herself a year of noncontact, advising me to do the same. Freek'n hB tentacles can't let go. Desires continual contact...otherwise
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #124 - on: 04.01.2011 at 21:31 [UT] »Well put
And as ALL my d planets & ASC are ruled by my lB- I AM Neppy
So- lets shake fins..
I have never been inclined to be gay- can't understand the sexual part...
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BUT- I am coming to Believe only a woman can undertand to the core another woman..
We are sensitive- we pick up when someone we care for is weary- needs he feet up, a cup of tea, & maybe justtotalk for hours- knowing no judge or jury awaits..
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #125 - on: 04.01.2011 at 21:51 [UT] »Quote:We are sensitive- we pick up when someone we care for is weary- needs he feet up, a cup of tea, & maybe just to talk for hours- knowing
no judge or jury awaits..
To me- it's all about knowing you are cared about- deeply & truly

I agree. However, I don't think many men can be that sensitive to a woman's needs and feelings until they startrunning low on testosterone.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #126 - on: 04.01.2011 at 22:16 [UT] »Amen....

Wouldn't it be wonderful if people never allowed themselves to take each other for granted ??

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #127 - on: 04.01.2011 at 22:25 [UT] »Quote from Sleepy Lady on 04.01.2011 at 21:51 [UT]:
Quote:We are sensitive- we pick up when someone we care for is weary- needs he feet up, a cup of tea, & maybe just to talk forhours- knowing no judge or jury awaits..
To me- it's all about knowing you are cared about- deeply & truly

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testosterone.

I agree with these statements. It is important to find that right group of women friends.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #128 - on: 05.01.2011 at 00:01 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 29.12.2010 at 23:31 [UT]:

Naminuse: Wow, that's a whole lotta Uranian energy. Is there earth in your chart to offset it or do you live above the mortals,
wishing you could land and be among us, but knowing that you would be misunderstood anyway?

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Gender:Being misunderstood is a Uranian pitfall, isn't it? I HATE BEING MISUNDERSTOOD. I RESENT someone "assuming" I am this way or thatway. Geez.

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ASC f
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Mainly water but plenty of earth to ground me a bit. It feels like my head is pulling me into dream land andmy feet are pulling me to the ground.
I feel the resentment too and tend to take people by surprise.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #129 - on: 05.01.2011 at 00:58 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 04.01.2011 at 21:31 [UT]:
So- lets shake fins..

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I have never been inclined to be gay- can't understand the sexual part...

Goes the same way for me (your way). Best way to describe in words would be an attraction chip.
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BUT- I am coming to Believe only a woman can undertand to the core another woman..

Perhaps a closer understanding but I have to tell you, a mix bag too. And for the record, Straights and even
Bi's vibe differently.
anYhoO- back to personal planets to Uranus. Sorry to OP if I steered anything outside the lines.. O has a hardtime with conformity, wouldn't ya' say?
Anyone care to describe the DoO - hopefully from personal experience of self (or from another).
Rainbow colors,
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #130 - on: 05.01.2011 at 18:22 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 04.01.2011 at 22:16 [UT]:
Amen....

Wouldn't it be wonderful if people never allowed themselves to take each other for granted ??

KristaOr the flipside, "Wouldn't it be wonderful if people never took each other for granted?"
I guess for all of us at some time in our lives, the best defense is a good offense. Hurt another before they hurtyou, and whatnot.
Really messes things up, and it seems more and more, the world family is closing itself off to one another todeflect hurt and fear of being hurt. Eventually we will all shrivel up and die from lack of trust and faith in one
another. Only the I-slands will remain.
But back to O. I don't see O as a friendly planet, personally. I see it as a disturber, so in my thinking, eventhough it rules k, "friend to everyone" supposedly, I see it as superficial connector, a "Baiter" even. It zips
around here and there, wrecking havoc and then zipping away, leaving our personal planets to deal withdamage control. Lightening quick O often forces us to spend time, sometimes loooooong time, handling theaftermath.
I only note one positive thing about the creton - He has a good instinct, whatnot, for out to get himself out ofa pickle, and that can usually rub off on the personal planets involved in tight aspect. Otherwise, he is justtrouble. Needs to be contained but never will.
But if I might say, Krista (hello, Krista) your current state seems more to do with G (learning lessons andmaking sound judgements ahead of time). I can aid in this, if used properly. May I ask if you had some gutful "warning signs" about this mate before he trashed you? My own experiences of ignoring even simple things,
words or acts or body language of one I've been enamored with, ignoring what that little voice inside is saying
when it goes, "hmh?". Chose instead to go on sensation, D, "this is so good, so wonderful," resulting manytimes in my la-la-la-ing myself into a really bad situation that was painful and difficult to leave physically andemotionally.
This gets back to your notion of being taken for granted. O doesn't give a hoot. It's the thrill, the excitement(or need for excitement) the science experiment that he thinks about. Personally, I don't much like him.
I'm not sure if your age, but if you are under 50, you might find hope that once you experience your N return,at least in my experience, you will begin to understand the meaning of self-interest and self-protection in thepurest sense. I think it allows you to accept but not "take on" others in emotional ways.
Nonetheless, this too shall pass. Keep your focus on your personal well-being, happiness, if you will, andGodspeed to you in this time of pain.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #131 - on: 05.01.2011 at 20:55 [UT] »Thinking back- there were warnings- but odd ones... more like an envious woman would act than a (theoretical) man
With a Cardinal T- & as a quad crab- I am being G afflicted
every which way from Sunday..
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Gender:Also- T G is exactly on my NI- H4
And with a lB- I AM Neptune..
I thught my 2nd G return last year was trying...
But- this you expect & allow..
There have been very few times in my life when I have felt hurt, minimized.
Or it didn't phase me..
This is lonely, reflective, & overly sensitive time in my Life..
Remember when 'surprises' used to be a good thing ??
Now- if someone says- I have a surprise for you- its like- ' NO..
please...keep it'
Ah me,
KristaAny input on the TR G on NI H4 ?

G rules my empty 7th..it's oly natal aspects are an exact q to NA-h1& a o to N- H6

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #132 - on: 05.01.2011 at 23:51 [UT] »Krista, I recently had t. G m n. I in the 6th house and will have it again when G goes retrograde. I'm not surewhat's going on with that. I wish I understood it better. Supposedly, it's about turning your dreams into reality,
into something steady and secure.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #133 - on: 06.01.2011 at 00:01 [UT] »From your mouth (((Lady)))) to The Beings ear....

Isn't it heart tugging- that often what we have wanted most in Life
has been most elusive ???
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #134 - on: 06.01.2011 at 00:10 [UT] »Bernadette Brady says this about Saturn transiting Neptune in her book Predictive Astrology: "Illness,
tiredness, depletion of resources, despair, to be without hope. This is the major signifier of health problems in
predictive astrology."
I do think there's some truth to that. I had major problems with tachycardia about that time...caused byemotional distress. My Saturn is in Leo 5th house
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #135 - on: 06.01.2011 at 05:59 [UT] »Quote from Noyab Nunca on 04.01.2011 at 18:39 [UT]:Any

BO aspects indicate an "anything goes" quality, because receptive nature of B is accentuated by strange happenings O. Emotional

craving for changes, not staying stuck in a rut of dispair.
Depression? Hating Life? Feeling sorrowful for oneself? Not inclined to beBO.

Emotions ditch out for new excitement with this duo.
Don't confuse this aspect with

BDI or GEC

BO is more of the "been there-done that-don't give a ****" mentality. "I'm outta here..."Posts: 2645
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NN: Do you have a Uranus/Moon square?
Just wondering because your description sounds a little "cookbook" and notsotrue from my own vantage point.
I am not a 'ditcher', not by any means, when I have an emotional attachment I am in in for the long haul, even
if it's only in my mind. My "ditch and runs" are only temporary unless I've received the Uranian Universal 2X4
where I have no choice but to see the writing on the wall through the stars in my eyes.
Uranus square moon will manifest differently for each person depending on whether the moon is cardinal, fixed
or mutable.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #136 - on: 06.01.2011 at 10:11 [UT] »Hi people!I have Uranus in 8H in opposition to my Moon-Saturn conj.in 2H.I was born
depressed,unattached,claustrophobic,contradictory bt also an impersonal friend of all people in theworld,member of many charity organizations,hangliding fan and with a strong dislike for the convention of
marriage.I love jules Verne books and believe that our spirits can be over matter and are freed through thedeath of our bodies.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #137 - on: 06.01.2011 at 14:36 [UT] »Quote from Noyab Nunca on 04.01.2011 at 18:39 [UT]:Any

BO aspects indicate an "anything goes" quality, because receptive nature of B is accentuated by strange happenings O.

Remember Zsa Zsa Gabor? She's a former Hungarian beauty queen that's been married 9 times, starred inmany, many movies, and slapped the cop in Beverly Hills. She has hBoO. I'm studying her chart this week,
but haven't gotten to the cop-slappin transits yet.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #138 - on: 06.01.2011 at 14:43 [UT] »Yes, Michelle, Zsa Zsa has always been a treat. A true blue k. You never knew what to expect with her! There
are many quotes over the years I've read from her, my favorite one being:"I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house."
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #139 - on: 06.01.2011 at 14:45 [UT] »That's a great quote.
The older I get, the more I like her!
She's such a survivor.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #140 - on: 06.01.2011 at 15:07 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 06.01.2011 at 05:59 [UT]:
Quote from Noyab Nunca on 04.01.2011 at 18:39 [UT]:BO aspects indicate an "anything goes" quality, because receptive nature of B is accentuated by strange happenings
O. Emotional craving for changes, not staying stuck in a rut of dispair.
Any

Depression? Hating Life? Feeling sorrowful for oneself? Not inclined to beBO.

Emotions ditch out for new excitement with this duo.
Don't confuse this aspect with

BDI or GEC

BO is more of the "been there-done that-don't give a ****" mentality. "I'm outta here..."

NN: Do you have a Uranus/Moon square?
Just wondering because your description sounds a little "cookbook" and notsotrue from my own vantage point.
I am not a 'ditcher', not by any means, when I have an emotional attachment I am in in for the long haul, even if it's only in my mind.
My "ditch and runs" are only temporary unless I've received the Uranian Universal 2X4 where I have no choice but to see the writing on
the wall through the stars in my eyes.
Uranus square moon will manifest differently for each person depending on whether the moon is cardinal, fixed or mutable.

Dogg, yes I have the o , and of course the other components of a chart will color or modify the expression of
the o . However, not intending to sound cook-book, I do believe that the inclination to "ditch out" is very real,
though whether one does or not (say, G strong in a chart) depends on those other factors.
But really, looking at the relationship of the planets. B is receptive, instinctual. O is about freedom andbreaking free of restrictions.
I just don't see a correlation to depression between these two planets, unless of course they are unresolved. "Ineed to get out! But I can't, I'm afraid." That struggle could certainly result in depression if unacknowledged,
not honored. It would be going against the natural impulse of BO if one fears change. Perhaps that is thesecond level of the BO square, fear of change, that might result in depression because the emotional need fornewness or change is not being honored.
That tension might cause depression if the person with the o is locked into a place of fear of change and insome kind of a rut or feeling stagnated.
Essentially, they are both planets of change - B in it's frequent and cyclical ebb-tide of emotion and O in it's
natural impulse to move on to the new.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #141 - on: 06.01.2011 at 20:16 [UT] »You may like to readd this article onBO
http://www.denisesutorius.com/moonand.htm
interestingly Princess Diana had the opposition 1.42

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she also kept the house!
Charles has the sextile Bb 10H

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #142 - on: 06.01.2011 at 21:18 [UT] »Quote from Noyab Nunca on 06.01.2011 at 15:07 [UT]:
Quote from dog8818 on 06.01.2011 at 05:59 [UT]:
Quote from Noyab Nunca on 04.01.2011 at 18:39 [UT]:Any

BO aspects indicate an "anything goes" quality, because receptive nature of B is accentuated by
O. Emotional craving for changes, not staying stuck in a rut of dispair.

strange happenings

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Gender:Depression? Hating Life? Feeling sorrowful for oneself? Not inclined to beBO.

Emotions ditch out for new excitement with this duo.
Don't confuse this aspect with

BDI or GEC

BO is more of the "been there-done that-don't give a ****" mentality. "I'm outta here..."

NN: Do you have a Uranus/Moon square?
Just wondering because your description sounds a little "cookbook" and notsotrue from my own vantage point.
I am not a 'ditcher', not by any means, when I have an emotional attachment I am in in for the long haul, even if it's only
in my mind. My "ditch and runs" are only temporary unless I've received the Uranian Universal 2X4 where I have no choice
but to see the writing on the wall through the stars in my eyes.
Uranus square moon will manifest differently for each person depending on whether the moon is cardinal, fixed or mutable.

Dogg, yes I have theo, and of course the other components of a chart will color or modify the expression of the o. However, not
G strong

intending to sound cook-book, I do believe that the inclination to "ditch out" is very real, though whether one does or not (say,in a chart) depends on those other factors.
But really, looking at the relationship of the planets.

B is receptive, instinctual. O is about freedom and breaking free of restrictions.

I just don't see a correlation to depression between these two planets, unless of course they are unresolved. "I need to get out! But I
can't, I'm afraid." That struggle could certainly result in depression if unacknowledged, not honored. It would be going against the natural
impulse of

BO if one fears change. Perhaps that is the second level of the BO square, fear of change, that might result in depression

because the emotional need for newness or change is not being honored.
That tension might cause depression if the person with theo is locked into a place of fear of change and in some kind of a rut or feelingstagnated.
Essentially, they are both planets of change -B in it's frequent and cyclical ebb-tide of emotion and O in it's natural impulse to move onto the new.

Noyab,
What sign is your moon in? I wonder if that also reflects the difference in how you respond vs DOG.
I too have have the square but in Taurus ( fixed - as in often stubborn and stuck but also tenacious and loyal).
I have been deeply resonating with what she has been sharing, particularly about the universal 2 x 4. I willhang in there ( once I am in) far longer than many I know. I don''t emotionally ditch out but I readily admit tothe hug me now getaway syndrome as described by DOG.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #143 - on: 06.01.2011 at 21:50 [UT] »Quote:
I just don't see a correlation to depression between these two planets, unless of course they are unresolved. "I need to get out! But I
can't, I'm afraid." That struggle could certainly result in depression if unacknowledged, not honored. It would be going against the natural
impulse of if one fears change. Perhaps that is the second level of the square, fear of change, that might result in depression because theemotional need for newness or change is not being honored.
That tension might cause depression if the person with the is locked into a place of fear of change and in some kind of a rut or feelingstagnated.

I disagree strongly with this characterization of BoO. As far as I remember, I'm the only poster who has
mentioned being depressed, but it is not caused by an emotional maladjustment as suggested by the above
quote, and I don't think I said that the BoO caused it. My depression is genetic, physically-based, and lifelong, otherwise known as dysthymic disorder. My BoO "tension" has not caused my depression. How cananyone say that people with BoO cannot be depressed? Did I misinterpret this? What if you also have DoG
or another equally "depressing" aspect?
I have no fear of change, having ditched all on at least three occasions to go overseas or to another city to
pursue higher education that did not pertain to my profession. No fear of change at all. I tend to rock the boat
in my job and have always been that way. My Uranus is 28 Gemini and seems to express itself as a need forintellectual freedom...freedom to do things differently than the way they've always been done. My B is 5 g, so
I do try to get along with everyone, but even this desire does not prevent me from saying what I think.
I also think this aspect and particularly any Gemini placement (my Mercury is there, too) makes one "highstrung"...with an overactive nervous system. I've had this problem since childhood and have to go to bed or
spend time alone in order to calm down, get rid of the hives, etc., not only in upsetting situations, but also in
happy times. I'm a "highly sensitive person" (www.hsperson.com) and I believe it's the BoO that makes me
this way.
Anyway, I can't tell anyone else how their BoO will manifest, but this is my experience of it.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #144 - on: 07.01.2011 at 00:19 [UT] »I have BpO and I have always found change difficult...

You have to look at so nuch more, than putting one aspect in a petri dish

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #145 - on: 07.01.2011 at 08:57 [UT] »Sleepy Lady:
I wonder if many people with Uranus hard aspects, especially to the Moon, might be considered Highly
Sensitive People?
I read this article found in the link you provided, and it rang so true of my childhood where I was labeled"intense" simply by looking at people. I also learned how to anticipate others' needs very inappropriately, tothe point where I stopped feeling my own. I simply jettisoned my own feelings and took care of others.
http://www.hsperson.com/pages/2May04.htm
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Member« Reply #146 - on: 07.01.2011 at 12:27 [UT] »Uranus is making two squares and one trine to Mars.

f AC oiO(mF)(AC ruler) lCoO(mF)
Jupiter that conjuncts Uranus rules my saggy Uranus and also co rules my Pisces Sun, Moon and Mercury with
Neptune.
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Uranus rules my 6th house and is in my 4th.
I've had panic attacks, nervousness and such. If someone tried to hug me holding too long and tight i would
sometimes panic. This was completely random most of the times, where other times i was fine and enjoyed the"tight hug" so it has been somewhat a mystery what triggered these.
I was also claustrophobic, but i've learned that it's all in the mind and have managed to calm myself more in
the situations where i would have "normally" panicked before, no doubt. Handling it has not been always easy,
like with any squares i think.
The challenge is always there and i don't think that we can overcome these squares very easy (though it's great
if we can!) but more so try to manage it rather than be overwhelmed by the big energy.
I would say that with Uranus it's also like experiencing the extremes of the two sides?
For me there has been times where life is throwing roses, rainbows and all great things, and times where a deep
depression, sadness and such hits. Finding a balance is the challenge like with most things.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #147 - on: 07.01.2011 at 17:36 [UT] »Dog...
I absolutely agree with you that many BoO people may suffer from this...though it's not an "illness." I
started a thread on this (under a different name) and here's the link:
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1262488925/0 . You may have even posted on thatthread; I'm sorry I haven't checked.
And borderline personality disorder is a pretty serious label to put on yourself. I had a psychologist tell me I
had that once, but he said that after talking to me for only 5 minutes, so I didn't put much stock in what hesaid. I've since spent a year or so with a psychiatrist who has more credibility...and he feels the only thing I
suffer from is melancholic depression. So if you really have that borderline personality disorder, my heart goesout to you, but I would be pretty careful not to accept that label too quickly.
--I went back and checked and you did post on that thread....even posted your chart. Do you think part of yourdifficulties might be because most of your planets are on the right side of your chart?
Here's a link about that. http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/11.2RightOrLeftChart.htm
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #148 - on: 07.01.2011 at 17:47 [UT] »Celes...
Quote:
I would say that with Uranus it's also like experiencing the extremes of the two sides?
For me there has been times where life is throwing roses, rainbows and all great things, and times where a deep depression, sadness andsuch hits. Finding a balance is the challenge like with most things.

I certainly agree with this. It's almost like being bipolar in a way. It's hard to regulate these unstable emotions.
I personally believe that BoO plays a huge role in this, particularly in my case with moon in the 6th house(health) and ruling 4th (emotions) square Uranus (instability) in Gemini in the 3rd (thought processes andnervous system). I also have BmI, which makes me super sensitive to everything going on around me.
My sisters both have B in hard aspect to G. They do not experience these problems at all and do notunderstand why I react to things the way I do.
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Krista ShippMember« Reply #149 - on: 07.01.2011 at 17:54 [UT] »What orb do you allow for a BG n..?
I know the ords of the luminaries are more generous

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Ex Member« Reply #150 - on: 07.01.2011 at 18:11 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 07.01.2011 at 17:54 [UT]:
What orb do you allow for a

BG n..?

I know the ords of the luminaries are more generousK

I'm not sure, but I think I've seen 8-10 degrees somewhere....
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #152 - on: 08.01.2011 at 01:42 [UT] »Sleepy lady
quote My sisters both have B in hard aspect to G. They do not experience these problems at all and do notunderstand why I react to things the way I do
No they wouldn't as their emotions are well under control.I'd rather have the BO,as I have B j!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #153 - on: 08.01.2011 at 01:58 [UT] »Quote from wanderer on 08.01.2011 at 01:42 [UT]:
Sleepy lady
quote My sisters both have

B in hard aspect to G. They do not experience these problems at all and do not understand why I react tothings the way I do
No they wouldn't as their emotions are well under control.I'd rather have theBO,as I have B j!

That makes me feel better.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #154 - on: 08.01.2011 at 04:14 [UT] »with BnO I cannot cope with control freaks!
When Tr J m my B I had a huge influx of these people into my life!
I had to learn how to assert myself without losing my cool (I also have EboJ!) This was hard for me butvery good. My mother(co-dependent) and older sister (my little mother) were control freaks but not my father
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(alcoholic) who I just noticed also has BnO (boy did we debate) was strict but not controlling.He always said
sure but went his own way! At 15 and still at high school I was already looking at rental flats! I always madefriend with kid where I was welcome for sleep overs and later I went out with older uni guys who had flat so I
could go and chill out there.
Bj needs peace and solitude to recover. I started meditating at 18 and this has been an amazing tool for me.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #155 - on: 08.01.2011 at 04:19 [UT] »Quote from wanderer on 08.01.2011 at 04:14 [UT]:withBnO I cannot cope with control freaks!
J m my B I had a huge influx of these people into my life!

When TrI had to learn how to assert myself without losing my cool (I also have

EboJ!) This was hard for me but very good. My mother(coBnO (boy did

dependent) and older sister (my little mother) were control freaks but not my father (alcoholic) who I just noticed also has

we debate) was strict but not controlling.He always said sure but went his own way! At 15 and still at high school I was already looking at
rental flats! I always made friend with kid where I was welcome for sleep overs and later I went out with older uni guys who had flat so I
could go and chill out there.

Bj needs peace and solitude to recover. I started meditating at 18 and this has been an amazing tool for me.

Oh, boy! Don't get me started on those Pluto transits to the moon. Pluto is right now square my natal moonand of course, it's been going back and forth over many months. It has heralded significant relationshipproblems in my family, but hopefully when it's done, things will be cleared up.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #156 - on: 08.01.2011 at 04:42 [UT] »Quote from Don M on 30.12.2010 at 13:22 [UT]:
I have a Cancer Uranus at the midpoint of an exact Moon Pluto square and it also is semisextile Mars.
as part of healing a challenging lunar dynamic I was inspired to volunteer at a therapeutic center for disadvantaged children. one of thelabels the therapists use to diagnose some of the kids is Reactive Attachment Disorder - RAD . I am pretty sure Uranus is involved in RAD
and it relates to what is being discussed here.
where we have been wounded and betrayed in our relationships and interactions with authorities ( parents) - we rebel and react to avoid are experiencing of that wounding. but it actually becomes a self perpetuating emotional foundation.
the way back for me involves two approaches - one i call a " Wicked Witch of the East " moment - where I literally just sit and "be" with
my Uranian fear and reactivity and accompanying emotional projections as they just fizzle off. the other approach is to allow the reactivity
to run its course all the way to the point where it becomes clear it no longer matches up with the reality of the circumstances andrelationships of the present moment.

I just saw this Don. I think it's a beautiful description of how to deal with Uranus in aspect to the personalplanets.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #157 - on: 10.01.2011 at 01:50 [UT] »If I can add this to Don's notions?
"Live with it in chaos or let it go"
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #158 - on: 10.01.2011 at 04:25 [UT] »I am so profoundly moved by this thread...
I sit here, transiting B in l applying to my - "stuff"

and I literally feel as though I'm on the verge of an

out-of-body experience.
I knew this last pass of Jupiter in Pisces would leave behind something yummy to inspire me...
A bubbling cauldron of goodies to contemplate, and insightful musings to stew in.
I think I will print out this thread, and keep it by my bedside.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #159 - on: 10.01.2011 at 07:40 [UT] »Sleepy Lady, I was frankly shocked that anyone would say I might have a "bit of Borderline Personality disorder"
but this was said by the GAL who did a very unthorough psych eval when I requested a GAL for our son when
my ex and I went thru our divorce. Although he was the one who was threatening suicide at every turn, shesaid that my emotions were also unstable ---- duh!! Anyway, I read about it and evidently BPD and Attachment
Disorder are somewhat similar in that due to trauma in childhood, a person may be very reluctant to enter into
committed relationships, and/or continually recreate the original pain. After awhile, it becomes rote... the story
gets set in stone and we relive the same old, same old tired relationships with different partners. Its this I
meant "I am so sick of my Moon/Uranus square!" when I originally posted.
At my age, I am at least AWARE when I am doing the same dance. I can 3rd person myself out of it and see
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the story is true is to ASK!!) but I still can't VERIFY the story with the person who I feel upset by. Or, I shouldsay, the MEN, because it doesn't happen with women; the rejection is no where near as important and the story
is really never very powerful. I can easily ask. Maybe that's because my Moon is sextiled by Venus... dunno.
Celes:

Quote:
If someone tried to hug me holding too long and tight i would sometimes panic. This was completely random most of the times, whereother times i was fine and enjoyed the "tight hug" so it has been somewhat a mystery what triggered these.

Yes! And it's so embarrassing sometimes!! I try to keep holding the hug when I know someone isn't done,
but uuggghhhhaARRRRRGH it's so hard to stay there!!! I feel sorry for my kids sometimes... when they wantto hug me and I'm not in the mood, it is SO obvious, even though I always oblige, they're not stupid, they cantell I'm a porcupine!
Not everyone with hard Uranus squares is like this, though... my friend who has Uranus square Moon has a
Cancer Sun and she is the huggiest woman I've ever known. I've certainly learned a lot from her and her ways.

Wanderer-- I can't do control freaks either!!! I also have Mars in Taurus and when someone tries to control

me, between my own Mars/Pluto square and the Uranus/Moon square, there's no way I'm gonna move, unless
it's in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION just to spite you! But, I certainly have learned to pick those battles carefully, I
have wondered sometimes if I'll have any nose left after spiteing my face so often in my youth
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #160 - on: 15.01.2011 at 20:59 [UT] »Lightbulb (Uranus, eureka!) moment:
Ms. Miranda posted this link on the "Eclipse Blues, Anyone?" thread, and I clicked it and watched:

http://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability.html
It instantly spoke to me of Uranian detachment as a defense against vulnerability. Flying out of my body underemotional (B) confrontation with partners (7th house) is my instantaneous, seemingly automatic andcompletely unconscious reaction.

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Gender:So ... how to STAY PRESENT and make myself vulnerable? How to embrace the idea that by exposing myvulnerability I actually empower myself INSTEAD of staying in the story that I am giving all my power AWAY??
(Bh).
My brain wants to shut down this line of thought right away. I am struggling in this moment to keep on
thinking about it, that's how powerful the need to detach from the idea of vulnerability is in my world. Run
away! There are screaming red "ALERT" lights going on throughout my body. Must....stay....focused.....
ok, I had to go back and watch the video again to help me stay on the topic. The thing that really connects
vulnerability to me is the concept of SHAME, of the feeling that I AM not good enough in "some way"... (youcan insert just about anything in here... each person carries their shame in a special little bag, normally packed
and given to us by our most trusted guardians when we are teeny).
In my moon/uranus world, my deepest emotional needs were met with a shaming reaction. I was simply notallowed to have them. My parents were very blatant: "we don't care how you feel". Period. No discussion.
The Uranian zap, clear and unequivocal.
So now.... I just put my deepest needs very far away and never do they see the light of day, except in my
imagination where there is a man on a white horse that can somehow sense my vulnerability and embrace me
without making me take it out and show it (F/I in the 7th). But the process of "putting away the heart" isdangerous, because this might happen (this was in one of the comments made under the video):
From CS Lewis "The Four Loves""To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you wantto make sure of keeping it intact you must give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap it carefully round withhobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements. Lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness.
But in that casket - safe, dark, motionless, airless - it will change. It will not be broken; it will become
unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. The alternative to tragedy, or at least to the risk of tragedy, isdamnation. The only place outside of Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers andperturbations of love is Hell."
The author of the video speaks about the need for connection, which is primary in the human species. Uranianpeople might say "meh- connection's not all it's cracked up to be, I'm fiiiiiiine by myself". Are
wereally???? Or are we living in shame, thinking that we are not worthy of connection? Worthiness is deeplyintertwined with the ability to connect with healthy people and allow vulnerability.
"In order for connection to happen, we have to allow ourselves to be seen".
Yeee-owch. I think of the "mask" I wear (Aries rising, until the man on the white horse comes, I'll ride my own
white horse, carrying my lance and totally armored up, thank you!) pretending to be impermeable to pain andvulnerability.
That's all I can write before my psyche once again pulls me away from this difficult subject and I just can't
focus.
Does anyone else have thoughts on vulnerability and Uranus? Why does Uranus find vulnerability sounpalatable? I know the mythology, but isn't there a way for Uranus to be close at the same time it maintains
independence? Is this what they mean by the "reconciliation of the opposites"??? Leo and Aquarius, somehow
the HEART/COURAGE must be integrated with Aquarian detachment and universality. The HEART is not afraidof vulnerability, "they believed that what made them vulnerable, made them beautiful".
I want that.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #161 - on: 15.01.2011 at 23:52 [UT] »dog, I want that too. And thank you for posting that quote by CS Lewis. It came in very important today. I
deleted my facebook and was in shock today to see most of my contacts vanish from my phone which was
drawing from my FB friends. So I told my oldest friend, and when I he asked why I replied,
Posts: 212"I was getting too attached to it."
To which he says: "When you get attached to something you delete it? aha"
I honestly do want connection so much. I don't think any person can honestly say they don't.
"You liberate yourself through participation with others ... Popular organizations and umbrella groups help
create a basis for this." - Naom Chomsky

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #162 - on: 16.01.2011 at 03:18 [UT] »Yep. With connection comes the fear of betrayal, of "them" knowing "us" so well that they will ultimately turnon us. So, better to "switch off", detach, disconnect....
But what, really, can they turn on? If we stop taking ourselves and everything so seriously, if indeed this is all"just a dream" (thanks Ed) then .... what's to fear?
These are rhetorical questions - I have no answers.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #163 - on: 16.01.2011 at 03:56 [UT] »I have EmO natally...
Many times I throw caution to the wind & let myself be vulnerable, raw, open...
hats the worst that could happen ???
I've had some profound experiences this way...
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #164 - on: 16.01.2011 at 04:54 [UT] »Moon o a different 'apple' Krista.
Moon doesn't comprehend Caution to the wind.
Electric fence.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #165 - on: 16.01.2011 at 06:28 [UT] »LOL! People have actually said it appears that I have an "electric fence" around me.
Not so funny at the time.... sensitive little Scorp Moon.....

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #166 - on: 16.01.2011 at 06:45 [UT] »I have A o O I think it's effect on me is being overly impulsive. So impulsive that it makes me indecisive,
because I never weigh out the issues at hand, I just make a quick decision that I soon end up regretting.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #167 - on: 16.01.2011 at 06:53 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 16.01.2011 at 06:28 [UT]:LOL! People have actually said it appears that I have an "electric fence" around me.
Not so funny at the time.... sensitive little Scorp Moon.....

Though I don't have exactly the same problem as you... (I tend to suffer from the people who won't "let mein")... I feel great sympathy. It seems like we ought to be able to solve these problems with astrology. Can we?
Or does the answer/solution lie somewhere else?
Is the problem really that you can't pull down that fence, or is the problem that you haven't met anyone yet
who deserves to be allowed into that sacred space? Maybe your defenses serve as necessary protection.
My pain is a different color, but it produces a similar result: frustration and a feeling of futility; hopelessness;
resignation to perennial unhappiness and disappointment. Is it in my stars or in my genes? Is the root of the
problem in me or is it outside of me?
If astrology is worth the time and trouble, then let's figure out a solution. How do we begin?
Please ignore me if I don't make sense. I'm just rambling, hoping that I'll accidentally come across the answer
to my own inner angst.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #168 - on: 16.01.2011 at 07:39 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 15.01.2011 at 20:59 [UT]:Lightbulb (Uranus, eureka!) moment:

Ms. Miranda posted this link on the "Eclipse Blues, Anyone?" thread, and I clicked it and watched:
http://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability.html
It instantly spoke to me of Uranian detachment as a defense against vulnerability. Flying out of my body under emotional (B)

confrontation with partners (7th house) is my instantaneous, seemingly automatic and completely unconscious reaction.
So ... how to STAY PRESENT and make myself vulnerable? How to embrace the idea that by exposing my vulnerability I actually empower
myself INSTEAD of staying in the story that I am giving all my power AWAY?? (Bh).

My brain wants to shut down this line of thought right away. I am struggling in this moment to keep on thinking about it, that's how
powerful the need to detach from the idea of vulnerability is in my world. Run away! There are screaming red "ALERT" lights going on
throughout my body. Must....stay....focused.....
ok, I had to go back and watch the video again to help me stay on the topic. The thing that really connects vulnerability to me is theconcept of SHAME, of the feeling that I AM not good enough in "some way"... (you can insert just about anything in here... each person
carries their shame in a special little bag, normally packed and given to us by our most trusted guardians when we are teeny).
In my moon/uranus world, my deepest emotional needs were met with a shaming reaction. I was simply not allowed to have them. My
parents were very blatant: "we don't care how you feel". Period. No discussion. The Uranian zap, clear and unequivocal.
So now.... I just put my deepest needs very far away and never do they see the light of day, except in my imagination where there is aman on a white horse that can somehow sense my vulnerability and embrace me without making me take it out and show it (F/I in the7th). But the process of "putting away the heart" is dangerous, because this might happen (this was in one of the comments made underthe video):
From CS Lewis "The Four Loves""To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it
intact you must give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid allentanglements. Lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket - safe, dark, motionless, airless - itwill change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. The alternative to tragedy, or at least to therisk of tragedy, is damnation. The only place outside of Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and perturbations oflove is Hell."
The author of the video speaks about the need for connection, which is primary in the human species. Uranian people might say "mehconnection's not all it's cracked up to be, I'm fiiiiiiine by myself". Are we really???? Or are we living in shame, thinking that we are not
worthy of connection? Worthiness is deeply intertwined with the ability to connect with healthy people and allow vulnerability.
"In order for connection to happen, we have to allow ourselves to be seen".
Yeee-owch. I think of the "mask" I wear (Aries rising, until the man on the white horse comes, I'll ride my own white horse, carrying mylance and totally armored up, thank you!) pretending to be impermeable to pain and vulnerability.
That's all I can write before my psyche once again pulls me away from this difficult subject and I just can't focus.
Does anyone else have thoughts on vulnerability and Uranus? Why does Uranus find vulnerability so unpalatable? I know the mythology,
but isn't there a way for Uranus to be close at the same time it maintains independence? Is this what they mean by the "reconciliation of
the opposites"??? Leo and Aquarius, somehow the HEART/COURAGE must be integrated with Aquarian detachment and universality. The
HEART is not afraid of vulnerability, "they believed that what made them vulnerable, made them beautiful".
I want that.

Amazing video.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #169 - on: 16.01.2011 at 08:29 [UT] »Quote from Sleepy Lady on 16.01.2011 at 06:53 [UT]:
Quote from dog8818 on 16.01.2011 at 06:28 [UT]:LOL! People have actually said it appears that I have an "electric fence" around me.
Not so funny at the time.... sensitive little Scorp Moon.....

Though I don't have exactly the same problem as you... (I tend to suffer from the people who won't "let me in")... I feel great sympathy.
It seems like we ought to be able to solve these problems with astrology. Can we? Or does the answer/solution lie somewhere else?
Is the problem really that you can't pull down that fence, or is the problem that you haven't met anyone yet who deserves to be allowed
into that sacred space? Maybe your defenses serve as necessary protection.

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My pain is a different color, but it produces a similar result: frustration and a feeling of futility; hopelessness; resignation to perennial
unhappiness and disappointment. Is it in my stars or in my genes? Is the root of the problem in me or is it outside of me?
If astrology is worth the time and trouble, then let's figure out a solution. How do we begin?
Please ignore me if I don't make sense. I'm just rambling, hoping that I'll accidentally come across the answer to my own inner angst.

Well, it actually works both way with me... either I have the electric fence and people can't get in or they
"sense" my "intensity" and don't want to get anywhere near me. It happens especially with Air men. They
don't want to get bogged down with what they feel is a highly charged emotional person lying underneath acool exterior. And if they *can't* go deep, then they are right to run. It will frustrate me in the end, because I
am wired for deep. I'm not wired for "confrontation", though, so it's a little confusing.
Stars or genes... it's all the same. We're hard wired this way and it's our life's mission to try to figure it out so
we evolve a little. If I have learned anything, it's that Uranus forces me to hold ANYTHING in my hand openhanded; I'm not allowed to close my fist tightly around anything, or I get the 2x4. Love is the hardest thing tohold lightly, but in reality, it's the only way to keep it close. I haven't perfected it by any means; I get the"lesson" but have not had the life experience bear fruit. I keep choosing situations where I am forced toundergo the 2x4, detachment lessons of a very shattering kind. I do believe that we make an unconscious
agreement with people the minute we meet them - the trick is paying attention to what the psyche is telling us
instead of shunning the information or flying out of our bodies.
Did you watch the video, SleepyLady? It is worth it.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #170 - on: 16.01.2011 at 09:01 [UT] »I just watched the video and you're right: it's profound. I hated to see it end. Though I don't think I have aproblem with vulnerability...since I wear my heart on my sleeve...I know that my partner does have thisproblem and it really gets in the way of having the kind of relationship I crave. He's the one with Bk oG andoO. He also has AmOm Algol and 6 planets in the 12th house...lots of suffering and hidden pain. I'm going tosend him the link and hope it will lead to a breakthrough. The video helped immensely in articulating for mewhat our problem has been: his past hurts have led to him putting up that "electric fence" to keep more hurtout.
So glad you shared that. Thank you.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #171 - on: 16.01.2011 at 11:49 [UT] »Quote from U Aware on 16.01.2011 at 04:54 [UT]:Moono a different 'apple' Krista.

Moon doesn't comprehend Caution to the wind.
Electric fence.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #172 - on: 16.01.2011 at 12:49 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 15.01.2011 at 20:59 [UT]:Lightbulb (Uranus, eureka!) moment:

Ms. Miranda posted this link on the "Eclipse Blues, Anyone?" thread, and I clicked it and watched:
http://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability.html
It instantly spoke to me of Uranian detachment as a defense against vulnerability. Flying out of my body under emotional (B)

confrontation with partners (7th house) is my instantaneous, seemingly automatic and completely unconscious reaction.
So ... how to STAY PRESENT and make myself vulnerable? How to embrace the idea that by exposing my vulnerability I actually empower
myself INSTEAD of staying in the story that I am giving all my power AWAY?? ().

Bh

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My brain wants to shut down this line of thought right away. I am struggling in this moment to keep on thinking about it, that's how
powerful the need to detach from the idea of vulnerability is in my world. Run away! There are screaming red "ALERT" lights going on
throughout my body. Must....stay....focused.....
ok, I had to go back and watch the video again to help me stay on the topic. The thing that really connects vulnerability to me is theconcept of SHAME, of the feeling that I AM not good enough in "some way"... (you can insert just about anything in here... each person
carries their shame in a special little bag, normally packed and given to us by our most trusted guardians when we are teeny).
In my moon/uranus world, my deepest emotional needs were met with a shaming reaction. I was simply not allowed to have them. My
parents were very blatant: "we don't care how you feel". Period. No discussion. The Uranian zap, clear and unequivocal.
So now.... I just put my deepest needs very far away and never do they see the light of day, except in my imagination where there is aman on a white horse that can somehow sense my vulnerability and embrace me without making me take it out and show it ( /in theFI7th). But the process of "putting away the heart" is dangerous, because this might happen (this was in one of the comments made underthe video):
From CS Lewis "The Four Loves""To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it
intact you must give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid allentanglements. Lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket - safe, dark, motionless, airless - itwill change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. The alternative to tragedy, or at least to therisk of tragedy, is damnation. The only place outside of Heaven where you can be perfectly safe from all the dangers and perturbations oflove is Hell."
The author of the video speaks about the need for connection, which is primary in the human species. Uranian people might say "mehconnection's not all it's cracked up to be, I'm fiiiiiiine by myself". Are we really???? Or are we living in shame, thinking that we are not
worthy of connection? Worthiness is deeply intertwined with the ability to connect with healthy people and allow vulnerability.
"In order for connection to happen, we have to allow ourselves to be seen".
Yeee-owch. I think of the "mask" I wear (Aries rising, until the man on the white horse comes, I'll ride my own white horse, carrying mylance and totally armored up, thank you!) pretending to be impermeable to pain and vulnerability.
That's all I can write before my psyche once again pulls me away from this difficult subject and I just can't focus.
Does anyone else have thoughts on vulnerability and Uranus? Why does Uranus find vulnerability so unpalatable? I
know the mythology, but isn't there a way for Uranus to be close at the same time it maintains independence? Is this what they mean bythe "reconciliation of the opposites"??? Leo and Aquarius, somehow the HEART/COURAGE must be integrated with Aquarian detachment
and universality. The HEART is not afraid of vulnerability, "they believed that what made them vulnerable, made them beautiful".
I want that.

Come on dog........because it is VULNERABLE, girl!!!!!!!
It is weak and gooshy and caring and NOT STRONG when the **** hits the fan. Uranus says we be strong andthey cry on our shoulder...we tough!
And from what I've read, your B is in h.....how vulnerable is that anyways????? Sheesh......your O issaying.....no way am I gonna wallow in all that pity party muck.
But.......there IS a way. If you keep on you can find space for your Moon side...honest you can........I've foundspace for my Venus side.....but it's never gonna just go away. That's who you re girl.
Regardless of any rationale, look at your chart. It says who you are when you got here. You are supposed to beemotionally strong. Look at your path. I've read enough about it to know...you HAD to be strong just to get
this far.
But, I swear, you can find room to express your Moon. Promise.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #173 - on: 16.01.2011 at 14:49 [UT] »quote from Dog:
" Does anyone else have thoughts on vulnerability and Uranus? Why does Uranus find vulnerability so
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independence? Is this what they mean by the "reconciliation of the opposites"??? Leo and Aquarius, somehow
the HEART/COURAGE must be integrated with Aquarian detachment and universality. The HEART is not afraidof vulnerability, "they believed that what made them vulnerable, made them beautiful".
for me - inner reclamation of the Heart out of Uranian reactivity and wounding actually shifts the meaning andbalance of what it means to be connected away from being fused, merged, and dependent towards a moreobjective compassionate and mature presence in relating. vulnerability and immunity aren't tied up solely inthe reconciliation of Leo and Acquarius. they also seem very much linked to the integration of the whole fixed
grand cross - Leo/ Acquarius and Scorpio /Taurus. power and values and how they are used in the way weconnect intimately with others plays into and defines the balance between Leo and Acquarius.

here is a link to an article on this subject of working with the fixed grand cross :http://theinnerwheel.com/2010/09/10/synastry-studies-the-fixed-cross-and-the-urg e-to-mergepart-three/

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #174 - on: 16.01.2011 at 15:36 [UT] »Lee... et al.
I think you have to watch the video to come to a closer context to what "vulnerable" means in this particularpost (I'm guessing). Because you're placing your perception upon what you think it means and it may not be
the same definitions she has about it. For example, one who may not be in touch with their feelings or dismissemotions with a negative pall with words such as "ooshy" and "gushy" or "pity parties" reveal a resistance tovulnerability which, in effect reveals how scared one is of it. Being vulnerable is not about feeling sorry for
yourself. It is about understanding that something in life did not meet an expectation and we are sad about it.
We are angry, even, with ourself about how we tricked ourself or that we were not informed enough to control
the outcome and we wallow in the hubris of humanity that says, "I should have known better" and that hubris

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misery and suffering of others. We can't do that. It is something we have to allow them to do for themselves,
yet we get fed messages that we somehow can. And when we try and fail at enough, then we either surrender
to it and admit our vulnerability as people, the complete untruth of our capacity to control the outcomes oflife... or we become so consumed by the pain and we learn to disassocitate through self talk and boundaries
that don't let us feel or experience the deeper truths of life. Vulnerability is beyond a "pity party". It is notabout being soft or weak. Vulnerability, if you exercise it, has a profound effect on the people around you. I'm
not talking about someone who cries in their beer. I'm talking about someone who can see the whole story of
their life and shift their perceptions long enough to bring meaning to it, to feel it and allow it to escape thegravity of their own mind's need to contain, control, package, parcel, diminish and pack it away in the attic of
one's subconscious.
It is about being able to be accepting of yourself, your humanity, your flaws and you ability to be seen, without
fear or shame dissuading you from what you really think or feel about your Self, circumstances, life and so on...
There are plenty of people who are incapable of telling you what they think but able to feel and emote andothers who are not capable of feeling and able to tell you what they think, and in that there is a cavern ofdifference. What we have to consider is that many people emote for attention because they do not emote for
their own satisfaction and release when they are alone. How many people are capable of crying when they arealone, but not in front of others... or... incapable of crying alone (because they are alone with the critical parent
voices in their heads that tell them to "buck up" or "stop your crying") but are easily capable of crying in thecompany of another. And then there are those who are so afraid of the fear, that they are jammed up.... And
I think this is part of the Uranian stuck point that perhaps Dog is eluding to... Children cry when they arescared. Adults get angry. And adults who were not allowed to cry or be angry, who were taught that suchemotional states were unacceptable, translated that into, if I cry or show my REAL feelings... If I show who I
REALLY am, then no one will ACCEPT ME. No one will LOVE ME. No one will RESPECT ME. And the beginning ofthat cycle from the parents GOES BACK to that part of the continuum of the hubristic human perception thatthey can control everything or fix everything. A parent, unwittingly perhaps, quells a child with whatever tools
they have, to calm the child, ASSUMING THAT IT IS HEALING or FIXING the CHILD.
But the reality is a parent does NOT know exactly what a child needs because the trigger to fix the crying is so
primordial. If you go WAY back, one reason (there are many) is that crying babies draw attention fromcreatures that can EAT YOU. Fear is a drive. That may sound overly simplistic, but what if that reptilian part ofour brain usurps our parent's ability to allow us to FEEL our OWN FEAR? Another aspect is that the very natureof our parenting style that is necessary to raise a child is also competing with the complexities of all our daily
lives and how we prioritize them in relationship to our children or how our parents did with us. And we passthat down. We're STILL living in the fear hangover of our Grandparents during the WW's. It's a Maslowian
dynamic. Get the basics then worry about the rest. Only functionally, we're collectively stuck in a hypnotic
stupor that there is no time for crying because the world is at war. We've weaned out socially an innate part ofour humanity... Our capacity to feel, relate, connect and allow others to see our humanity. Rapport is built uponthis. We all want to be accepted as we are, but if we can't accept ourselves, then how can we open theopportunity for others to see it and reflect that personal truth back to us. People reflect our shadows and light
we believe, not the mask we put forth, not the "ad".

O "detachment" is NOT the same as "unattachment to an outcome".
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #175 - on: 16.01.2011 at 17:38 [UT] »But how do these types "detach"?
Literal or figurative? The urge to feel "I'm out of here" is strong. What keeps us with a situation doesn't mean
we haven't detached from it. Some flee in body, others in spirit.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #176 - on: 16.01.2011 at 17:45 [UT] »Would you consider NB 17 ks ND 17d
a 'hard' aspect ? Or only the square ??
I'm close to someone with the above aspect...
He's always screaming that no one inderstands him..
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #177 - on: 16.01.2011 at 18:24 [UT] »One thing that keeps coming to mind as I read this thread is the fact that many people who have had past life
regressions are somehow instantly freed from some of these limiting behaviors and automatic responses. I
wonder if past-life regression would help with this.
Ms. Miranda, your last post was profound. I enjoyed reading your website, by the way.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #178 - on: 16.01.2011 at 19:28 [UT] »Quote from Noyab Nunca on 16.01.2011 at 17:38 [UT]:
But how do these types "detach"?
Literal or figurative? The urge to feel "I'm out of here" is strong. What keeps us with a situation doesn't mean we haven't detached from
it. Some flee in body, others in spirit.

Emotionally... numbing out, disassociating, being dismissive, apathetic, unaffected... Detachment is a reaction
to something that is so painful it cannot even be acknowledged, and even to a degree where they cannot
recognize suffering in another. You can only see outside of yourself that which you have within you. But if you
deny you have it and claim to see it in others, and judge it consciously or unconsciously, it is that you are so

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feel or experience. Detachment comes in degree, too. Understand that it can run to an extreme of narcissism
and sociopathic and so on.
Detachment has a language. It is readily apparent in statements of judgement and dismissiveness or an all or
nothing statement. It is in statements like,"It's all good." (truth is... nothing is "all good")"Whatever..."and so on... It's where the pain of acknowledging something that is UNFAMILIAR as plausible or possible is toomuch. It is where the ego gets stuck, fixed in a frame of thinking that is so strong it renders us incapable ofconsidering another option, because it's so shaming or threatening to go against that which we feel safe andemotionally secure with. Changing our belief about ONE THING in our lives rearranges the molecules in our
universe. And when the fear of PERSONAL UPHEAVAL is so scary we can garner or manufacture a sense ofcontrol through making radical statements, upsetting the apple cart, and watching OTHERS skim in the
discomfort of shifting sands. Uranian energy, in it's shadow nature can disassociate from the pain that others
feel when do or say things that others consider threatening or shaming. And it is not that it needs to takeresponsibility for another's pain, but that it does not acknowledge that something is painful to someone else.
Intellectually one can see something is painful, but the lack of compassion and empathy is numbed out in direct
proportion to one's efforts to numb out to their own experiences of pain. They are co-creators. You cannot becompassionate or empathetic if you cannot allow yourself to experience or even acknowledge where and when
you have experienced suffering and disappointment and then allow yourself the necessary release of the pain,
to feel the emotions, to discharge the pain. Pain needs discharging, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physicallyand physiologically (neurologically). It is vital to one's physiological health to discharge emotional pain.
"Feelings buried alive never die", as the saying goes. And the rub of an afflicted O is that a counter point tells
it to feel when another part of it tells it that it MUST move forward and ignore the pain and yet another part
might say, "blame someone else for your pain." There are others and other ways to detach... Those are just a
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #179 - on: 16.01.2011 at 19:54 [UT] »Hi Ms Miranda:
I get you with those dissociative terms being expressed these days.
"its all good""whatever""no worries"
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with an emotional situation and keeping some "detachment" while still recognizing and understanding,
accepting as opposed to shutting out and disowning any connection to that feeling. When we talk about
connection-this perhaps has to be the most alienating and counter therapeutic when we distance ourselves fromthe present vulnerable authentic experience which is really where "being seen" and "being heard" lies.
You can almost liken Uranus hard aspects as PTSD indicators-blocking the dissent to those painful vulnerable
raw personal places and spaces we become terrified of revisiting and reliving.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #180 - on: 16.01.2011 at 20:16 [UT] »Wow. This is such good stuff.
Ms. Miranda, you said:

Quote:
Being vulnerable is not about feeling sorry for yourself. It is about understanding that something in life did not meet an expectation and
we are sad about it. We are angry, even, with ourself about how we tricked ourself or that we were not informed enough to control theoutcome and we wallow in the hubris of humanity that says, "I should have known better"

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nurture, we MUST "help", we MUST "anticipate". Men are FIXERS, so they may have this problem to a certain
degree, but women, our job is to anticipate things before they need fixing.
Uranus hard aspects are often the inability, due to the configuration itself, to have any control over an
outcome. Therefore, everything that we "do", must be done without absolutely no expectation of anything in
return. When we have an expectation that does not manifest, we are SLAMMED into our humanity, and often
our shame of "I should have known better". Its the FEELING of WANTING that outcome that I am angry about.
I understand that it was a useless proposition to be become attached to something when I have given too
much, loved too much, sacrificed too much, and the resultant FEELING of abandonment, betrayal, etc gets turninward, towards ME because I was the one who made the error of having an attachment. Getting mad at the*person* who hurt me due to my own misplaced expectations is rarely an option, because (in my own personal
story...) THEY WON'T CARE.
The easier aspects might be able to shrug off the disappointment easier and say "meh, there's always anotheradventure". The hard aspects, especially to personal planets in fixed signs, sit in their shock, saying"whhhhaaa? What do I do with these feelings NOW? How do I get AWAY from these painful feelings?"
Ms. Miranda spoke about the parental "trigger to fix" the primordial pain of the child. She may be on tosomething, because my own parent's "fix" was to SHUT IT DOWN. If I was emotional, or needy, it was simply
and often violently SHUT DOWN in me.
I notice that my body tenses up as I write these words because at 52 years old, I am sooo sick and tired oftalking about how I grew up. I've had years and years of psychotherapy, I INTELLECTUALLY UNDERSTAND theissues, and still, here they are, coming up in different boxes with prettier bows and wrappings than the original
wound. But it's still all the same. I'm still the little girl in the crib, sobbing and crying because I've been left
alone, and nobody is coming. Uggggh and arrrgh!!!
I am moving to Texas in 6 months. "Circumstances" have conspired to create this outcome... and I am pullingaway from the friendships I created while living here. In the last 5 years I took up dancing to live music, which
entails going to bars and casino lounges. I made friends with band members and got sucked into a world that I
have never experienced. I don't drink much but OMG, do the rest of them. There is so much co-dependency
and enabling going on that it staggers my mind. Add to it the "psuedo rock-star" mentality and it's almost
laughable. But many of these people are Aquarian. Many have Leo combinations. They have taught me somuch about the ego and the demands of the psyche in the unconscious (alcohol soaked) mind. For a long time
I believed their WORDS instead of watching their actions. I became inundated in the idea that my friendship
could HELP some of them, and indeed they leaned on me extensively, because I still had a sober mind. It
became overwhelming. In the last year I saw that I was sinking in to a level of mentality that wasn't me at all,and I was in danger of being engulfed by it. So the move to Texas is a "fix", but I want to make sure I don't
carry this issue with me to Texas where it will crop up disguised and wrapped in some other package.
One of the best ways I have to say goodbye is to NUKE everything. Uranian detachment can carry a TNT charge
like no other.
So Ms. Miranda's posting is particularly appropriate as I approach the opportunity to "do it" differently... todetach without NUKING. The pent up frustration and disappointment of years around my friends with me
GIVING and not RECEIVING is potent. Yep, I blame myself. I went straight there. It's all my fault, because I
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. Ok, so if I am to change that mindset, I have to move in to: "I did what I did because
I followed my heart". Outcomes are what they are. If I stay in the "followed my heart" mindset without GOING
INTO JUDGMENT, I can detach from the outcome more easily. I can say goodbye with a loving heart.
That's just one example of how I can *see* detachment working in a positive way. Staying there, however, isanother story. Nuking things has a very self-satisfied feeling to it, but it's only because I am now (in my mind)
causing people the same pain they caused me. Big Baby says "there!! See how it feels!!"
But there's no growth there. No evolving. Just reptilian retaliation. Throwing the gasoline soaked Uranian
thunderbolt and running.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #181 - on: 16.01.2011 at 21:16 [UT] »Dog... If you could run all of that through a sieve, what would you say is the thing that you want the most? Is
it to allow yourself to feel your feelings? Or is it to feel your feelings and not feel the pressure to move pastthem, but rather through them? Or something else?
Try replacing "detachment" with "unattachment" for a moment. Detachment is a shutting down or a cutting off,
when, in truth, as I know it, you cannot close off experiences, lessons, and feelings about people and situations
without burying a wound. If you un-attach, and this is perhaps going to sound like semantics (bare with me a
moment), it puts you in another energy circuit that neither "nukes" nor "shuts off" connection. It is a place ofacknowledging the experience, intellectually at first, yes, but then it allows you to empathize with either side ofa situation, be it the perceived good or perceived bad. Both are polarized positions. The human mind is not

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Gender:really suited for living on one end of a polarity exclusively and indefinitely. Pieces and parts of us are on eitherside of the fence. So, when we unattach from something it is where we allow ourselves to go through theexperience of feeling conflicted. Feeling conflict is necessary. I know that may sound painful, but that is theplace were we release ourselves from the pain in the first place. It is the paradox of healing. Healing is aparadox, and even though you may be tired of going into the Way Back Machine with Dr. Peabody, andassessing mom and dad, their values, projections onto you and expectations are the dualities, the paradoxes
and the polarities that set you in a place of conflict. To see that they were two separate people who were raisedby two separate people, and so on seven generations deep, adds to the complex layers of our inner talk or Self
Talk. When you are faced with choice, a crossroads or something that creates a sense of dis-ease, it is because
there are conflicting messages in how you were brought up... AND your own personal experiences come into
conflict with those voices in your head that tell what is right and wrong.
Going back to childhood and feeling a negative charge on that exercise is more of the same detachment fromthe pain. You can go in deep or avoid it. Going through it is a kind of courage that many cannot muster, butwhen we do, its payoff is exactly what Brene was speaking of... It softens our edges, makes us more
approachable, unplugs the electric fence and allows a flow. Electric fences both keep the animals on the farmand keep people out, depending upon how you look at it. The fence is neither a benefit nor a hazard, and yet it
is both, depending upon what side you are on. Same holds true for when you examine the areas of your life
where you are compliant and defiant to the values, beliefs and judgements of your parents, including psuedosurrogate parents and step parents.
If you go back and see that your parents are humans, time and again, you can energetically reduce the powerof the triggers. You feel the feeling and discharge them as they were intended in the first place. When we allow
the pain to release, it leaves behind "gold" instead of the "lead" of the burden. Healing pain with pain is thecounter intuitive way to deep cleaning that goes beyond the intellectual understandings of the whys and whatfors we conjure in traditional therapy. What it means, how it feels is an important step, as is feeling it again in a
way that is run through a new filter, one of a 50 year old, versus the naivety of a five year old. You cannot feelit the same way twice. And if you continue to allow yourself to feel it, eventually, the wound starts to develop
scar tissue. Scar tissue is stronger than a buried festering wound. It is were we turn that buried lead to thewisdom. It is in the same realm as the mechanics of homeopathy. Healing with a small dose of the dis-ease.
You can never step into the same river twice. It changes. Same as a rubber band, once stretched never fully
goes back to its original shape. Uranian energy is like that. It is not supposed to take you back. It has thecapacity to aid you in growth. It can, however bring onto us, at times, so much revelation that it can be
overwhelming to process it all, and send us BACK into a detachment or disassociated state, consciously or
though a myriad of numbing techniques we all have for ourselves in times of extreme stress.
For me, it's food... I have had t OmN for many months, and the crux of my own healing is that so muchunderstanding is coming in that I am a bit overloaded by it all, and yet, feeling it. I'm in that grey area where I
am moving through the pain. I'm not feeling it all the time, and I'm not numbing it out all of the time either.
Uranus brings in an extremism, and I'm left to find a happy medium, as we all are here to do in life in various
ways. Buddah (I think) said that was the purpose of life, to live in the extremes so you can find the balance inbetween. At the same moment, I'm finishing up a Uranus opposition. So, I understand how the frustration withself as we intellectually come to an understanding about ourselves, somehow falls short of the expectations thatthat alone "should be enough" to heal us. But we miss the other parts, which is to FEEL the feelings we've
numbed out. And any person who has gone through addiction recovery of any sort, will tell you this is thehardest part. To know that what you buried WILL come up.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #182 - on: 16.01.2011 at 21:28 [UT] »(I apologize for the lengthy influence of a Bc on my post today)

Addiction recovery is something that I have a deep interest in, as it is the "extreme" of how we numb out anddisassociate and it shows us in very tangible, and heart breaking ways the cost of numbing out. It is visible andout there in the open in some ways. When we judge the addict and call them weak, we are effective owning theshame that we cannot change our own behavior as easily either, so we avoid exposure to it or deflect it in someway. Truth is, we all are capable of being addicts... The presumption that time and our evolution is somehow
speeding up may very well be an illusion, and one that scares the hell out of us humans who already aren't sogood with change. IF it were, we'd have evolved a hell of a lot more quickly than we have, I think. We would't
be resisting it with such force.

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them to experience in the wake of the impending Age of Aquarius, if it in fact is upon us? What if theexperience of the shadow nature of Uranian energy will eventually enable us to teach the light to our children,and those we are here to teach that will come after us. Is it not our job to teach our wisdom? Maybe... maybe
not. I like to think, with my heavy 9th house, that part of my personal responsibilities in life are to live it in theextremes (BOJD all conjunct in the 9th house), so others can learn from my example in some way and NOT
make the same mistakes I did. Sometimes we want to learn a lesson without having to experience it. I am likethat at times myself. And then there are times when I think, I HAVE to know what that flame feels like, I haveto experience a "nuking" in my life in order to really FEEL and bring MEANING to the event. My moon likes tobe emotional, my Pluto likes it to hurt or go deep and my Uranus likes it to be "memorable" and shocking. And
they all have to compete with my GaH4 that says, "Hurry up, shut up and get back to paying attention to myneeds, because I can't be happy unless my kid is successful in ways I wasn't for my own parents."
Ain't itsick what we set out to accomplish through our charts????
And maybe that is all one great big rationalization designed to numb me out the beleifs that many experiencesin my life broke my heart and if I felt all the feelings I've buried in my life all at once, my ego thinks it would
kill me. So I parse it down however I can, and when I can't control that flow, I take to numbing until I CAN
process it.
Life is a marathon, not a sprint. Uranian energy can make you feel like you're in a race, Dog. And often it canfeel like a race to perfection. Like the greyhounds chasing the electric bunny around the track.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #183 - on: 16.01.2011 at 21:46 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 16.01.2011 at 17:45 [UT]:

B 17 ks ND 17d

Would you consider N

Is it The meds?
Or finding topic Uranus to personal planets
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #184 - on: 16.01.2011 at 21:48 [UT] »I think I already said this once somewhere. My mom has BmOmJnG, she lost her mom to post partum
depression at 12 and had to take her responsibilities (nG) for other younger sister and a year old baby. Though
I'm unsure about the houses, BO itself doesn't mean separation from mother. I still have mine with thebellow in chart:
I have jBmGOI. Looking at that configuration it's clear I'm neither conventional or healthy as far as lunar
matters go. The worst is living in a constant apprehension verging on fear of living and reaching out. In one ofPosts: 131
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from his mother...
I have depression since about start of the college (B 9th) where for the most part i failed (I9th), but kept on
going (G). The whole time i was there t J was sitting on the moon and the rest. It was also a time i foundastrology (O9th), which was extremely helpful in understanding why I feel the way I do. I'd go insane with out
it when synchronicities began happening.
The college i chose was an important mistake that seems to be written in the chart and is now going to have an
influence on my career or lack of it. Ruler of 9th (intercepted F12th) o AMC... I chose more than i could bite,
and with depression messing with my thought processes, there is no effin' way i can complete the started. The
only thing that remains to be fullfiled is uranus(9th) making a final separation and there i ago on a path ofliving as a loser and a tramp, fullfiling my destiny Kl12th.
As far as relating to women goes I can only say that no girl or anyone wishes to deal with a despondent soon to
be 23 year old. I feel like an 80 years old retired person and i have just as much energy, probably less. I evenhave back and all kinds of bone problems. My brain is dysfunctional when i need to use it (singleton Ck) andi'm good at leaving things unfinished for reasons hard to define to others. Wanna date me?
I'm sure that sun in 10th and all the capricorn is there for the rest to laugh at me and point with fingers. "Lookat that guy, he failed in every department of life with all seriousness and determination!"Ok, i actually made myself laugh.
Hope i don't get frustrated too much to end up joining the dark side
where they have cookies.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #185 - on: 16.01.2011 at 23:16 [UT] »Love this thread... thanks for sharing that video too (dog8818)

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #186 - on: 16.01.2011 at 23:51 [UT] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 16.01.2011 at 21:28 [UT]:
I have to experience a "nuking" in my life in order to really FEEL and bring MEANING to the event. My moon likes to be emotional, my
Pluto likes it to hurt or go deep and my Uranus likes it to be "memorable" and shocking.

LOL!!! I agree, but the trouble is, the "meaningfulness" of the event never seems to stick, and I re-create the"meaningful" event over and over. When offered something that is less "exciting", that doesn't promise theMoonish emotional experience, I yawn.
Seriously. This is REEEEEEDICULOUS.
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The only good that comes from this is that I can see how other people repeat their own dysfunction de jourover and over and never seem to "get it" and I am not resentful of it anymore. I do, still, however, get sadabout it, which is maybe just as unhealthy. I understand that we move at the pace of a glacier when it comesto changing our hard wiring, and sometimes when we reach the end of the game, the only thing we've won isthe awareness that we were on the playing field. I am fully understanding the idea of wanting to be "special
enough" for another person to WAKE UP and change on the basis of just having known me, and how insane of autopian ideal that can be.
Existential angst extends to the idea that not only am I confined to my humanity, all others are as well. And
somehow needing to learn to live happily amidst it all, hopefully maintaining the best of the Uranian sense ofhumor at the absurdity of our human foibles.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #187 - on: 17.01.2011 at 00:02 [UT] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 16.01.2011 at 21:16 [UT]:Dog... If you could run all of that through a sieve, what would you say is the thing that you want the most? Is it to allow yourself to feelyour feelings? Or is it to feel your feelings and not feel the pressure to move past them, but rather through them? Or something else?
Try replacing "detachment" with "unattachment" for a moment. Detachment is a shutting down or a cutting off, when, in truth, as I knowit, you cannot close off experiences, lessons, and feelings about people and situations without burying a wound. If you un-attach, and thisis perhaps going to sound like semantics (bare with me a moment)...

I didn't think anyone could vivisect words more than I, Ms. Miranda!! Great job of distilling down unattached
vs. detached. I understand the difference and I do think that my idea of "detached" is more in line with yourdefinition of "unattached". One way or another, it needs to be an "unattachment to outcome". Tomato,
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The dysfunctional "detach" has to do with separating yourself in a way that cuts off emotion, while the"functional" detach involves the integration of the emotional experience while simultaneously allowing the otherto have the experience they need to have. It's very much (to me) a third-person experience. I have to put
myself "over there" and watch me and that other person have their experience, while remaining neutral in my
3rd person body. I hope this makes sense.
I think the Buddha also said "all suffering comes from attachment". But I imagine we have to get sick enoughof living the extremes first before "unattachment" (your word) is surrendered to.
I just realized that perhaps the only good outcome of transiting Neptune squaring my natal 2nd house Mars in
Scorpio right now is that I have become very, very willing to surrender to the experience of letting go of
everything that has defined me up until this point. But ..... ha ha!! Everything had to be removed first (by the
Universe) in order to get me to this point. It's kind of like saying "Uncle" when the elephant is already sitting
on your chest.
With regard to your first sentence in the quote, here's what I would want: TO FEEL THE FEELINGS AND STATE
THEM AT THE TIME. Sounds simple, but when one is "hard wired" to violently detach the MOMENT theemotions arise, it's a real trick to learn how to catch yourself before flying out of the body. I've only recently
become aware I do it. So I'm still in the baby stages of learning and it only happens when I am with someone
I am emotionally (sexually) involved with--- a rare occurrence in my life. The chances to work on this area are
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Member« Reply #188 - on: 17.01.2011 at 00:14 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 16.01.2011 at 23:51 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 16.01.2011 at 21:28 [UT]:
I have to experience a "nuking" in my life in order to really FEEL and bring MEANING to the event. My moon likes to beemotional, my Pluto likes it to hurt or go deep and my Uranus likes it to be "memorable" and shocking.

LOL!!! I agree, but the trouble is, the "meaningfulness" of the event never seems to stick, and I re-create the"meaningful" event over and over. When offered something that is less "exciting", that doesn't promise the Moonish emotional experience,
I yawn.
Seriously. This is REEEEEEDICULOUS.
The only good that comes from this is that I can see how other people repeat their own dysfunction de jour over and over and never seemto "get it" and I am not resentful of it anymore. I do, still, however, get sad about it, which is maybe just as unhealthy. I understand that

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we move at the pace of a glacier when it comes to changing our hard wiring, and sometimes when we reach the end of the game, the only
thing we've won is the awareness that we were on the playing field. I am fully understanding the idea of wanting to be "special enough"

Gender:for another person to WAKE UP and change on the basis of just having known me, and how insane of a utopian ideal that can be.
Existential angst extends to the idea that not only am I confined to my humanity, all others are as well. And somehow needing to learn tolive happily amidst it all, hopefully maintaining the best of the Uranian sense of humor at the absurdity of our human foibles.

That's "shame" talking, cooing in your ear and coming back to haunt you. It's powerfully familiar and it is, bysome standards, a form of addiction. We always go back to what is familiar. It is a way we pay attention toourselves without the help of others. The ego can't stand to be ignored. It can stand negative attention if
positive is in short supply. Look how kids who are not cooperative get so much attention. Anyhow, the trick is
to take a conscious effort to retrain your ego to be familiar with positive attention so shame cannot keep
grabbing hold of deeper meaning and destroying its foothold. These kinds of patterns are a lot tougher todiminish than one might think. We're hard wired in so many ways young in our lives. Coming out of it is likerelinquishing an addiction. There is a habitual component, a mental component, a neurochemical component
and a spiritual one (or lack of one). One of my mentors in holistic coaching theorizes that we are addicted toshame and fear, because we are in effect "groomed" that way through the natural process of humandevelopment. Why? Good question, and perhaps that is relegated to the chart to discern. Perhaps it's in ourhard aspects, in our K or in our N or in our 12th house, that elusive thing that connects us with all that iseternal, that space between here and there?
I take a lot of direction and learn a lot from observing other people, myself. Seeing them struggle with theirown experiences of humanity, being human and attempting to accept, value and nourish self is one of many
ways I glean inspiration. So, it is not all a loss, even if we struggle to remember all the insights we draw fromour own life. Every time we remember and make a point to bring gratitude, respect for our very life, and realizethat our mere existence is proof that we are WORTHY of life, the easier it, hopefully, gets to believe this newtruth about Self. It is not an idea. It is a practice. Just as, perhaps, "love is not an emotion, it is anability." ("Dan in Real Life")
I am enjoying this thread as well. For I get to rethink thoughts I, too, forget to tell myself, remind myself andbelieve.
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Krista ShippMember« Reply #189 - on: 17.01.2011 at 00:25 [UT] »Quote from U Aware on 16.01.2011 at 21:46 [UT]:
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #190 - on: 17.01.2011 at 00:30 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 17.01.2011 at 00:02 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 16.01.2011 at 21:16 [UT]:Dog... If you could run all of that through a sieve, what would you say is the thing that you want the most? Is it to allow
yourself to feel your feelings? Or is it to feel your feelings and not feel the pressure to move past them, but rather throughthem? Or something else?
Try replacing "detachment" with "unattachment" for a moment. Detachment is a shutting down or a cutting off, when, in
truth, as I know it, you cannot close off experiences, lessons, and feelings about people and situations without burying awound. If you un-attach, and this is perhaps going to sound like semantics (bare with me a moment)...

I didn't think anyone could vivisect words more than I, Ms. Miranda!! Great job of distilling down unattached vs. detached. I understandthe difference and I do think that my idea of "detached" is more in line with your definition of "unattached". One way or another, it needs
to be an "unattachment to outcome". Tomato, tomatoe.

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The dysfunctional "detach" has to do with separating yourself in a way that cuts off emotion, while the "functional" detach involves theintegration of the emotional experience while simultaneously allowing the other to have the experience they need to have. It's very much(to me) a third-person experience. I have to put myself "over there" and watch me and that other person have their experience, whileremaining neutral in my 3rd person body. I hope this makes sense.
I think the Buddha also said "all suffering comes from attachment". But I imagine we have to get sick enough of living the extremes first
before "unattachment" (your word) is surrendered to.
I just realized that perhaps the only good outcome of transiting Neptune squaring my natal 2nd house Mars in Scorpio right now is that I
have become very, very willing to surrender to the experience of letting go of everything that has defined me up until this point. But .....
ha ha!! Everything had to be removed first (by the Universe) in order to get me to this point. It's kind of like saying "Uncle" when theelephant is already sitting on your chest.
With regard to your first sentence in the quote, here's what I would want: TO FEEL THE FEELINGS AND STATE THEM AT THE TIME. Sounds
simple, but when one is "hard wired" to violently detach the MOMENT the emotions arise, it's a real

trick to learn how to catch yourself before flying out of the body. I've only recently become aware I do it. So
I'm still in the baby stages of learning and it only happens when I am with someone I am emotionally (sexually) involved with--- a rareoccurrence in my life. The chances to work on this area are few and far between.

Vivisect... I like that word.
Yes... It is amazing how instantaneous the ego works to protect us from perceived harm... OR
ANTICIPATED/EXPECTED harm that is based upon past experiences. It is like a form of deja vu. There is a partof us that hypervigilantly reads a situation, conjures an outcome even before the event has taken place. It
shuts us down before we have all the real information as it projects meanings out there. And what if this isprecisely who manifesting works? What if our fears are so strong, that it cannot become vulnerable enough toallow an even to play out, UNATTACHED to the outcome, and thereby leave the door open for a different
outcome. What if our attachment to the outcomes as we've become programmed are working at the speed oflight, electricity and so unpredictably in a Uranian manner that it skips right over the experience of feeling. It
skips the neural circuit entirely? In my opinion I feel/think that this is what happens to people who haveexperienced a lot of pain and feel like the world never lets up and they eventually become numbed out to it.
And when that happens we are capable, if not drawn to, extreme forms of entertainment... be it violence,horror and so on and we thrive upon it because that is what it takes, that extreme heightened experience toeven get our brains to respond, to produce adrenaline, dopamine and other "feel good" hormones. That is how
suppressed our physiology gets. Our emotional bodies effect our physiological one. I believe a part of us reallywants to feel, while another parts battles that. I was told the other day... If you are feeling and you are awarethat you feel lost, dispassionate or disconnected, then you are not any of those things, because it takes anawareness of their existence to even register it as a perception of "loss." That is was not that something was
lost, as much as it is not at the level that it desires to be. Water seeks it's own level, and so I took that to heart
as a challenge to find our a way to adjust, consciously, the water mark, even if it is a millimeter. For me, it's aninteresting exercise to consider.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #191 - on: 17.01.2011 at 02:39 [UT] »As synchronicity has it, I came across an advertisement in my son's science magazine today about "the law ofabsolute right". Talk about a O ruled by G ideal!! It intrigued me so I went to the website,www.alphapub.com. In skimming through various articles I came across this, which I thought fits the
Uranus subject: ("Impulse" here being, in my mind, the Uranian Impulse to nuke, jump ship, detach.
"Distortion" here is used to describe what the mind does at an early age to justify and survive behavior DONETO US, but stays in the mind even after we are old enough to logically realize it is no longer necessary)"If there is a distortion on the subject causing the impulse,
the emotion drives thinking through that distortion. When
thinking leaves the distortion, no matter what its form whenPosts: 2645
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Thus what started as a natural response has become, in
effect, an unnatural command telling the individual how to
respond. It tells him in a general way what to think, say anddo in the situation which set off the impulse, and it causes hisbrain to figure out the details. It has become an illogicalcommand somehow giving and requiring new expression of
the original wrong thinking that installed the distortion. It
tells him to make the same old wrong decision and the sameold mistake in some new way, as it has already done perhaps
ten thousand times since the distortion was installed.
The command has the effect of compulsion.
It is obeyed for three special reasons: First, because hethinks he issues the command himself; second, because thedistortion makes the command seem logical to him; andthird, because the distortion so completely dominates himthat he considers no other possibility. He has the delusion ofself-direction, but only because he does not know what isgoing on. Therefore he voluntarily carries out thecommand, and often quite enthusiastically throws himself
into the task. He supplies the physical and emotionalenergy, and spends himself in some unintelligent direction
because the command of an unrecognized and seemingly
unreal distortion has captured and imprisoned his mind.
The first evil of a distortion, then, is that it controls its
victim’s conduct and speech by controlling his emotions andintelligence.
When a distortion is getting used, emotion actuates thecommand and intelligence figures out how to satisfy it. The
more unintelligent and irrational the conduct demanded by the
distortion, as when it tells him to do what is both difficultand senseless, the harder he must work to satisfy thecommand. Thus the distortion uses his brain and his
emotions as well as his voice and his body to carry out theillogical command, always in some degree to his detriment.
It also uses his brain to do any necessary rationalizing, sothat he can explain and justify his illogical conduct to others
and to himself. Like the slave that he is, he pours allnecessary mental, physical and emotional energies into theprocess.
Ok, now bear with me a second. Uranus/Aquarius is a FIXED ENERGY. Traditional ruler was Saturn, and Saturnis not known for changing tacks without a damn good reason. Once under the COMPULSION of a fixed,
emotional charge, the Uranian urge for flight kicks in. Are you following me here or am I crazy?
When I said that the "trick is learning how to catch yourself before you fly out of your body"... I think I am
saying that I am aware that I am about to embark upon the "same old, same old" DISTORTED THOUGHT
PROCESS THAT LEADS TO MY BODY CARRYING OUT THE ILLOGICAL COMMAND (run away!!!), but have notyet been able to find the antidote. I'll keep reading on this website as it "promises" a cure for distortions, but I
am rolling my skeptical metaphysical eye about "cures".
Siriusrising I understand that I can be strong, that I can carry those feelings around w/o being crippled bythem. What I would like to do is to LEARN how to react DIFFERENTLY to those feelings. I don't just want tonumb myself out to them; I want to CHOOSE differently. I hope this makes sense.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #192 - on: 17.01.2011 at 17:31 [UT] »I think my natal BmO supports vulnerability. (And currently, transiting O n natal B reinforces this lesson.)After a lifetime of observing the dynamic of rejection, abandonment and ostricization, I have come to see thecore issue that drives the suffering.
It's the "little me" who is afraid and desperately wanting protection. The "little me" who finds herself at themercy of a cruel, cold, unloving world. The "little me" who is the heroine of her story, always victim to those
who wish to harm her or deprive her of something essential. The "little me" who is incomplete and lacking,who desperately needs something or someone outside herself to fulfill her. The "little me" who is SO
IMPORTANT in her eyes, that everything that happens is about her, around whom the world surely revolves.
Uranus offers its gifts of liberation from illusions of need, dependency and insufficiency. Uranus awakens therealization of truth.
Currently my life has a very Uranian feel to it. As does the world in general. The unstable environment inwhich I find myself teaches me about the dangers of future-tripping and the wisdom of being more fully in thepresent moment, and allowing IT to be enough. It also teaches me about attachment to things, people, andcircumstances, and how suffering comes not from changeable conditions, but from clinging to what is naturally
designed to come and go. The eternal is not to be found there.
Vulnerability, to me, is not really about a "little me" willing to be hurt. It's about recognizing that Who I Am isinherently invulnerable, therefore I can afford to love, to trust, to put myself out there, to be involved, to nothide in fear and protection... BECAUSE in the truth of myself I am safe and whole.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #193 - on: 17.01.2011 at 18:57 [UT] »I think Uranus has probably caused me more problems than I've been aware of. I've always thought that byhaving it in the 3rd house, it made me clever and quick, but I think now it's just made me restless andunpredictable. Perhaps my BoO would not be a big problem but for the fact that I've had progressed C(currently 29c) m natal O (28c) for awhile and now my progressed ASC(27c) is 1 degree from m to n.O.
I've also been going through the o of transiting O to n. O. Plus, the December lunar eclipse was inconjunction. Eventually, I'll have to deal with p. Mars (currently 22c) m O. I'm disappointed overall that my
Uranus has not brought me more positive effects, and I'm not expecting anything helpful with the trine fromtransiting Neptune. For me, Uranus has been a troublemaker. I could give so many examples...
Leela, I identified with every word of your post. So helpful ...toward having a modus operandi that might

actually get me through the rest of my life...And it reinforces what my 1st house a NN wants me to learn.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #194 - on: 17.01.2011 at 22:00 [UT] »From http://www.smashwords.com/extreader/read/24450/2/bob-makranskys-magical-sampler#
ExcerptsWhatIsMagic - pps. 53-55
The process of losing importance is very painful – don’t let anyone tell you that it isn’t. If you find the spiritual
path enjoyable, you’re not on it. Losing all your expectations, your images, your fantasies; having your sense ofimportance – your feeling that you are better than other people; … ain’t much fun. That’s why so few people
even attempt it; and of those that do, very, very few succeed. It’s just so much easier to run away fromyourself, especially in a superficial society like ours which provides so much mindless diversion.
Losing importance really does require being pushed beyond your limits – way beyond anything you thought
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you already thought you couldn’t stand any more, is how you really lose oodles of importance. Thus, in thecase of the human race as a whole, it will probably take some very unpleasant consequences of the forthcoming
collapse of society to bring off the much-vaunted coming transformation of consciousness. People aren’t goingto give up their selfish materialism and comfortable, smug stupidity voluntarily. And those who are left
standing (if there are any) will be those who have had all their importance (self-pity) completely stripped away.
You lose importance by stopping caring about the things you most care about – by becoming accustomed to(accepting) your fate instead of whining and complaining about your plight, and running around like a chickenwith its head cut off to try to improve matters. You lose importance very time you “give up the ghost” –surrender something you were expecting or clinging to. Usually this is due to complete defeat (my guides havealways said that spiritual growth is basically just a matter of exhaustion). The process can be speeded along bygoing to tree or nature spirits every day; but really, there’s no substitute for having all your dreams andillusions stomped into the mud, and having everything you live for destroyed.
The ultimate goal is to be calm and relaxed in your heart; to be able to confront everyday life and other people
with complete equanimity; even if there is a maelstrom swirling around you. And magicians aver, that there’s
no other way in which you could possibly learn how to do this except in a maelstrom. This is how the coming
collapse of society will usher in a transformation of consciousness for the survivors.
The stages or steps of losing importance vary from person to person, of course... In my own case, after years
and years...the first thing I noticed was that when I awoke in the morning, instead of an automatic blah-blahblah starting up in my brain, instead I would be confronted with >BLANK<.
The next noticeable change, a few years later, occurred after being forced to make a highly unpalatable life
decision – a tremendous defeat and the crash of a lifetime’s dream, actually – after which I began to notice thatmy customary self-hatred and great-I-am (shame and glory) litanies had diminished; and also that my rancor
fantasies had decreased markedly (most of my fantasy life traditionally revolved around fantasies of violence,
vengeance, murder of my enemies, etc. – in contrast to most people, whose inner dialogue consists mostly of
thoughts of worry, depression, futility, hopelessness, uselessness). It’s not that I no longer think rancorous
thoughts; but rather that when such a thought pops up now, I can and do automatically reject it. It’s also true,as the nagual Julian claimed, that my own process of losing importance was greatly speeded after the second
time I reached the Place of No Pity. This happened in the middle, between when the >BLANK< feeling firstbegan and the big defeat occurred.
Anyway, after this big defeat I began to feel the >BLANK< feeling all day long. The immediate upshot of thisevent was a general de-stressing of my life: little things that used to put me uptight previously ceased to doso; I began to be able to take things more in stride. It was kind of weird at first – like always being “on”
(operating on sensory awareness), paying attention to everything every minute – instead of being lost in la-laland most of the time. It’s a strange sensation, and it’s accompanied by a strange indifference. This
indifference isn’t so much a listlessness per se, as it is a disinclination to become involved if you can possibly
avoid it. And, because you are uninvolved, you can see all the ego games which everyone around you is
playing with crystal clarity. And when you do have to act, then you act with a cold, hard detachment which iskind of scary.

The other noticeable thing with the >BLANK< feeling is a...moment-to-moment cushion of well-being: a feelingthat (most of the time, anyway) things are fine just as they are now.
It is important for the aspirant to always keep in mind that importance is not lost little-by-little as you goalong; it’s lost in big chunks in relatively short periods of time, after years and years and years and years of a
Dark Night of the Soul. ..The point is not to become discouraged when years and decades go by and it seems
to you that you’ve made no spiritual progress whatsoever. This is the norm.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #195 - on: 17.01.2011 at 22:03 [UT] »O has not brought you
more "positive effects". I feel that there are indeed some positive effects pending, it's just that O has that way
Sleepy Lady I posted the above excerpt because of your words about regretting thatof forcing us to lose our self-importance by seemingly removing those things that seem so incredibly vital.
During that time, it seems as if nothing is going "right".

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #196 - on: 17.01.2011 at 23:09 [UT] »Dog...
The thing that ALWAYS amazes me about your posts is your extraordinary facility with words. (There are otherfolks who've also exhibited this..)Surely you can find success in a field where this is valued. Have you ever published anything? Or worked for a
publisher? I just hate the thought of people with your talent being wasted in mundane jobs, or no job at all.
You seem to have so much to offer and you have so much insight into your own self... I'm puzzled as to how
things have fallen apart for you...I'm not judging you, DEFINITELY NOT..because my life from 2001 to 2006 wasequally chaotic and desperate.
Just know that it has to get better. I hope your chart indicates that.
Texas is a good place to be. That's where I am.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #197 - on: 17.01.2011 at 23:42 [UT] »I have been jitttery of late & I connect that to T O..
It is p my ASD 25d & A 28d-

While we think of ap as favorable- it is STILL the planet
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I am under T Go & n's- but that does NOT impaty 'speedy'

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #198 - on: 17.01.2011 at 23:55 [UT] »Quote from Sleepy Lady on 17.01.2011 at 23:09 [UT]:Dog...
The thing that ALWAYS amazes me about your posts is your extraordinary facility with words. (There are other folks who've also exhibited
this..)
Surely you can find success in a field where this is valued. Have you ever published anything? Or worked for a publisher? I just hate thethought of people with your talent being wasted in mundane jobs, or no job at all.
You seem to have so much to offer and you have so much insight into your own self... I'm puzzled as to how things have fallen apart foryou...I'm not judging you, DEFINITELY NOT..because my life from 2001 to 2006 was equally chaotic and desperate.
Just know that it has to get better. I hope your chart indicates that.
Texas is a good place to be. That's where I am.

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Wait! I didn't write that stuff in the preceding loooong posts. I was quoting from some websites that 1) I
found and 2) was sent to me via pm by Ed Falis. I take no credit for the good stuff in those posts, I just takecredit for the fact that my brain was awake enough to (semi) comprehend them
And as to why "things have fallen apart".... I only have the pat answer:

Maybe I'm supposed to go thru thisbecause I'm supposed to help someone else and wouldn't have the compassion to do it if I wasn't brought tomy knees during this time. I dunno. I gave up feeling ashamed and guilty (natal Saturn square Sun) and justslog through.
Or maybe it's punishment for that time that I had an affair with a married man. Jezabel gets paybacks!!
Wrong action corrects itself!
So many ways to look at it...
Oh yeah... that's right... progressed Saturn moves very slowly and most people think that when it comes into
"exactitude" with a natal planet that it won't mean much....
I beg to differ! p. G is within minutes of exactly squaring natal A in 6th now.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #199 - on: 18.01.2011 at 00:00 [UT] »Dog..quote With regard to your first sentence in the quote, here's what I would want: TO FEEL THE FEELINGSAND STATE THEM AT THE TIME.
For me the breakthroughs with this aspect come with transits to it.When J Tr my B recently I started to dojust this. I suffer from people not knowing who I am and not understanding me,often I am misread,when my
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motivation is honest I got accused of the opposite.
With B in j m Asc I am very intuitive and pick up others emotions (I've also been a mirror for their emotional
projections) so now I let people know what I want,feel and aspire to. For some it's a little much information,so
be it. During that transit I even had an emotional meltdown at work much to everyone's amazement (thestrong bA/jB unravelled)!
I have known for many years that the more I follow my intuition the more life 'flows' in a positive/rightfeeling/happy direction for me.That what I thought was trapping me that I had to rebel against was a
projection of what was within me. PerhapstThe hard aspects need to learn to allow the energy of O to shine alight on what is in their unconscious,accept it and love it. (for me that meant owning it and taking
responsibility for it in a grown up way) That brought about the begining of the falling away of attachment to
the 'over cherished exagerated idea of self' as an enduring eternal solid and unchanging 'object' (which it isclearly not) This exagerated idea of self is why we spend most of our time trying to get/find things/conditions
that we like and avoiding what we don't like and ignoring what we are neutral about. If we try to develop the
positive aspects of Uranus we suffer less from the negative aspects exploding through and reaping emotional
havoc.
We all project, we are all addicts and we all are suffering from something and we all want to be happy.If we see
us and them in that light we can begin to be compassionate.
I have been a spiritual seeker most of my life (J/G 9th H) I always believed in the power/usefulness of
meditation and Eastern philosophy but I adopted a bit from here and there in true BO fashion and committed
to none.
During the recent O transit to my O I made a decision that continuing to trawl through my s*** was nolonger reaping any positive rewards and I made a positive commitment to 'living in the light' through a systemof enlightenment with a strong intuitive faith that things would fall away. It's taken a long time to reach 'here'
and I'm not saying it's everyone's path. When the s*** comes up I don't repress it,I don't ignore it,I watch it
and apply the tools of enlightenment until it dissipates.I now know the habits and conditioning can be changed.
I do believe in reincarnation so I asked myself,where does it all end,how much therapy could I need to clear all
the lifetimes of karma and s***! I realised that I am not toxic or ill so why was I looking for a cure? I am justdeluded and ignorant,when I apply enlightened ideas and methods (that I understand) the delusion is clearing.
This is my therapy.It's working for me and that's what matters.We are the creators....we are all in a process ofrelisation and we can trust that process. OMG I may have broken Ms Miranda's record (myCc 6H)
Thanks to everyone on this great thread for revealing so much of themselves.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #200 - on: 18.01.2011 at 00:19 [UT] »Quote:
Wait! I didn't write that stuff in the preceding loooong posts.

Oh, I know the difference. I didn't even read all of that quote, but I do read every word that you write and withgreat admiration.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #201 - on: 18.01.2011 at 00:29 [UT] »Yes, thanks to everyone and you, too, Wanderer. I hope we will all still be hanging around awhile longer todelve into the essence of Uranus. I need more time...more time.. for it all to gel. My brain is hurting.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #202 - on: 18.01.2011 at 02:04 [UT] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 17.01.2011 at 00:30 [UT]:UNATTACHED to the outcome, and thereby leave the door open for a different outcome. What if ourattachment to the outcomes as we've become programmed are working at the speed of light, electricity and so unpredictably in a Uranianmanner that it skips right over the experience of feeling.

Agree somewhat.
Metaphorically perhaps a rutterless position.
No points.
Deep Moon signs square Uranus intuitively deciphers needing direction;otherwise loosing power of self, eventually.
Stopped here to comment.
Off to read the rest...
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #203 - on: 18.01.2011 at 02:13 [UT] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 17.01.2011 at 00:30 [UT]:
Yes... It is amazing how instantaneous the ego works to protect us from perceived harm... OR ANTICIPATED/EXPECTED harm that is based
upon past experiences. It is like a form of deja vu. There is a part of us that hypervigilantly reads a situation, conjures an
outcome even before the event has taken place.

Differently framed, Universe CAN repeat until
YOU/ME/US get the lesson.
My Lesson.
Can BE enabling another.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #204 - on: 18.01.2011 at 02:51 [UT] »Quote Wanderer
Quote:We all project, we are all addicts and we all are suffering from something and we all want to be happy.If we see us and them in that light
we can begin to be compassionate.

I suffer most from the addiction to wanting my projections of the hidden "goodness" of others to surface andbe embraced by them; the utopian dream that everyone wakes up psychologically to their machinations andself-lies and puts them down for good. I laugh at myself: who do I think I am? What business is this ofmine??
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #205 - on: 18.01.2011 at 04:16 [UT] »Quote from U Aware on 18.01.2011 at 02:13 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 17.01.2011 at 00:30 [UT]:
Yes... It is amazing how instantaneous the ego works to protect us from perceived harm... OR ANTICIPATED/EXPECTED
harm that is based upon past experiences. It is like a form of deja vu. There is a part of us that hypervigilantly
reads a situation, conjures an outcome even before the event has taken place.
Differently framed, Universe CAN repeat until
YOU/ME/US get the lesson.
My Lesson.
Can BE enabling another.

My comment was not about deja vu with respect to the universe. It is about aspects of the ego and intuition.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #206 - on: 18.01.2011 at 04:52 [UT] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 18.01.2011 at 04:16 [UT]:
Quote from U Aware on 18.01.2011 at 02:13 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 17.01.2011 at 00:30 [UT]:
Yes... It is amazing how instantaneous the ego works to protect us from perceived harm... OR
ANTICIPATED/EXPECTED harm that is based upon past experiences. It is like a form of deja vu.
There is a part of us that hypervigilantly reads a situation, conjures an outcome even before the event has
taken place.
Differently framed, Universe CAN repeat until
YOU/ME/US get the lesson.
My Lesson.
Can BE enabling another.

My comment was not about deja vu with respect to the universe. It is about aspects of the ego and intuition.

Yes- understand... first two words usedon my part, differently framed.
More than one possibility/answer; same question-situation-life.
Not contesting.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #207 - on: 18.01.2011 at 05:44 [UT] »Dog- Life Uncommon video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEnxhtzMeo
For the Moon square Uranus
Lyrics to song. http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jewel/lifeuncommon.html[...]No longer lend out strength to that which we with to be free from
Fill your lives with love and bravery[...]
Relate to flying out of body!
My best.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #208 - on: 18.01.2011 at 15:32 [UT] »Quote from Sleepy Lady on 17.01.2011 at 18:57 [UT]:Leela, I identified with every word of your post. So helpful ...toward having a modus operandi that might actually get me through therest of my life...And it reinforces what my 1st housea NN wants me to learn.

Glad it was helpful, Sleepy Lady.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #209 - on: 18.01.2011 at 15:35 [UT] »Something else I wanted to add about Uranus and sudden endings or disruptions in relationship... I can always
find where the ending is a gift, where I"m better off somehow. As Byron Katie puts it "I've been spared."

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #210 - on: 18.01.2011 at 16:44 [UT] »My best friend puts it this way:"you've been fired from a job you didn't want anyway."
Most relationships that I've nuked involved men that were going to hold me back from some kind of evolution
and would have required that I go to sleep somehow, but given the fact that I am so stubborn, I hold on longpast the "expiration date" of the relationship. This includes those that never were meant to really get off theground but I try to twist myself into a pretzel to make it work. Then suddenly, for some seemingly minor
reason, bam! I nuke and run. The last one involved the simple act of a man rolling his eyes at me when I
complained about something. The Uranian thunderbolt hit me and bam! I was done. In my mind, it was a
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Given the fact that he was drinking and gambling at the time of the eye roll, and I haven't heard from him
since, I think my instincts were correct.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #211 - on: 18.01.2011 at 18:14 [UT] »Sounds like good 'ole common sense and wisdom to me.
It's interesting having the Uranus/Moon and Pluto/Moon aspects concurrently. (I think Scorpio Moon is very
similar to Pluto/Moon, energetically).
It's like, Velcro ON/ Velcro OFF.
middle ground in relating.

And maybe somewhere between the two extremes we come to see a

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #212 - on: 18.01.2011 at 18:21 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 18.01.2011 at 16:44 [UT]:My best friend puts it this way:"you've been fired from a job you didn't want anyway."

I had this happen when I had t Jo my Uranus infused stellium. I literally got fired from a job that I intended
on leaving in a couple months. It irked me, my ego, because I'd never been fired before, but it nudged me into
starting my own business...

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #213 - on: 20.01.2011 at 08:54 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 18.01.2011 at 16:44 [UT]:My best friend puts it this way:"you've been fired from a job you didn't want anyway."
Most relationships that I've nuked involved men that were going to hold me back from some kind of evolution and would have requiredthat I go to sleep somehow, but given the fact that I am so stubborn, I hold on long past the "expiration date" of the relationship. This
includes those that never were meant to really get off the ground but I try to twist myself into a pretzel to make it work. Then suddenly,

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Gender:for some seemingly minor reason, bam! I nuke and run. The last one involved the simple act of a man rolling his eyes at me when I
complained about something. The Uranian thunderbolt hit me and bam! I was done. In my mind, it was a clear message that this person
held my needs in a place that he simply found undesirable and transmitted that with a derisive eye roll. Some people might think I "took
it too personally" or over-reacted. For me, it was the ultimate message of "go away, you bother me".
Given the fact that he was drinking and gambling at the time of the eye roll, and I haven't heard from him since, I think my instincts
were correct.

That is my mechanism too. I think the big 'truth' lies in the small gestures, that people usually are not awareof.
People used to say I take it personally too this is why I have stopped explaining myself and started let life
unfold. I think only time can tell if I am right or wrong anyway. As you know, we are usually right!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #214 - on: 20.01.2011 at 09:45 [UT] »I have Oc3rd oAl12th but all I can think is that it makes me NOT WANT TO BE CONTROLLED and if pushed
to much will walk despite the cost. I have mellowed and learned to set boundaries more and if they are ignored
then I still move on but with much less rancour. I have burnt several bridges in my time;D
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #215 - on: 20.01.2011 at 11:44 [UT] »Quote from never2lost on 20.01.2011 at 08:54 [UT]:
I think the big 'truth' lies in the small gestures, that people usually are not aware of.

THAT sentence surely hit me, V-e-r-y true! : )Posts: 400
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #216 - on: 20.01.2011 at 18:31 [UT] »I agree wholeheartedly. I have wondered about this before: Is it that women are more attuned to the "subtle"
gestures? But, I've known some women that have to be hit over the head (usually firey women) and do not"sweat the small stuff". Is it because Uranus delivers information to us through "electrical" information (i.e.,the "zap" of clarity, which, if ignored, invites the 2x4 whomping upside the head --- Uranus saying excuse me,
did you not get those subtle yet startling "messages" I've been sending you?)
All in all I think it's air people that deal with hard Uranus aspects the "best", although there's still that pesky"over-detached" problem that crops up in personal affairs described by the personal planet placements.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #217 - on: 20.01.2011 at 19:47 [UT] »I just did a moono Uranus thing and now I'm regretting it. Why, oh, why, am I so impulsive?
I've got a lot of air in my chart (5 planets), but I don't think I deal with things very well.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #218 - on: 20.01.2011 at 20:06 [UT] »Definitely women more than likely subtly wired, not all women tho - like Dog said - fire signs.. I think Moon o
Uranus brings tid bits of information in the beginning. An awareness of humanity's treatment towards eachother.
It's metal (mental) detector.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #219 - on: 20.01.2011 at 20:10 [UT] »Sleepy Lady, Mind me asking the context of being impulsive?
Simple thing?
I don't enjoy being ZAPPED but happens quite often. I love expression however twisted wires ofcommunication, the live wire comes back at me.
I liken Moon o Uranus relating to another persons 'radio frequency.'
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #220 - on: 20.01.2011 at 20:22 [UT] »ok, this brings me to another question
FEAR VS. INSTINCTThe Uranian personality FEARS being hemmed in, tied down, "put in a box", etc. etc.
There are many times I did not give something a chance and called it "instinct" when, after much time andthought, it MAY BE that I reacted out of FEAR. I wonder how many chances for myself I have ruined with my"one foot out the door" or "shoot myself in the foot" syndrome?

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I just don't know how to discern what to do (maybe this is the lesson of my 6th house Af) at the moment of"crisis" (that's the moment when fear arrives).
It all leads back to staying in the body instead of flying out of myself. Sigh.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #221 - on: 20.01.2011 at 21:01 [UT] »Quote from Evolving on 20.01.2011 at 20:10 [UT]:
Sleepy Lady, Mind me asking the context of being impulsive?
Simple thing?
I don't enjoy being ZAPPED but happens quite often. I love expression however twisted wires of communication, the live wire comes backat me.
I liken Moono Uranus relating to another persons 'radio frequency.'

I broke off my relationship with my significant other. Why? My BoO just got fed up with his BkoOb,
BkoGb. He keeps running away! And then he comes back. Then he runs away and then he comes back. Etc.
It's driving me crazy. I can't live like this anymore.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #222 - on: 20.01.2011 at 23:49 [UT] »As mentioned earlier on Liz Greene's book on Uranus is an excellent read. I found it fascinating - way more
fascinating than a book on Pluto
As I recall, she actually says that it doesn't matter so much whether the aspect is hard or not - what mattersmost is that you have uranus aspecting xy or z planet.
I think she said that the moon has the hardest time with uranus but that counter-intuitively perhaps, venus has
the easiest.

O aspects all my personals except venus but the only hard aspect it makes is to my AC/G conjunction - it'ssquaring it from the fourth. Yep, never feel fit in anywhere... hate being tied to anything as humdrum as a 9-5
job - all that, yeah.
Sidenote: another interesting thing I recall she said was that she thought it was wrongheaded to consider
uranus exalted in scorpio.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #223 - on: 21.01.2011 at 00:23 [UT] »I can't see how Venus has the easiest time. I would think it would be Mercury/Uranus is a higher octave of
Mercury -Mercury is much more neutral and objective which works with Uranus-Venus is still into pleasing,
relationship building whereas Uranus won't require any placating or being congenial and having conciliation.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #224 - on: 21.01.2011 at 03:07 [UT] »Yeah, Uranus/Venus, unless perhaps a well aspected conjunction or the trine, would be the crazy comecloser/get away! syndrome...
My B is in the 7th, squared by O in the 5th. I hate the way love relationships come and go, like Sleepy Lady
describes, but then the older I get the more I ponder the question 100th Monkey posed... "what part am I
playing in the whole she-bang"?
Cuz like I said, I am AFRAID of tooooo much closeness. I just hate it when I'm not the one who walks away.
Being walked out ON is much harder to swallow.

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And Laura-- what Liz Greene book is about Uranus---- or is that one of the Sasportas/Greene lecture series? If
it is, I've got it, and need to re-read!

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #225 - on: 21.01.2011 at 03:47 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 21.01.2011 at 03:07 [UT]:
Sleepy Lady, can you post your S.O.'s chart and yours?

Happy to post my chart. You're more than welcome to comment. The birth time is accurate so the angles are,too.
I'm over 60.
I think we would be very happy together and it frustrates me that he cannot move past his wounds to takeanother chance at marriage. I think my Uranus keeps me very unsettled, which I hate; I sense a powerfulpotential stability could come into my life if we ever get it together.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #226 - on: 21.01.2011 at 03:53 [UT] »Here is his chart.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #227 - on: 21.01.2011 at 04:02 [UT] »Composite with current transits.
Notice the BnO!!! It drives me crazy.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #228 - on: 21.01.2011 at 04:28 [UT] »I'm going to have to put all this info into my solarfire program and look at it the way I am used to. But in theinterim I just wanted to say
ARE YOU F'IN KIDDING ME? Over 60, both of you, and still the to-ing and fro-ing???
Is there ANYTHING to look forward to about getting older and getting past all the retardedness that I have
faced about myself --- will it really continue (in his case) into our 70's??
Shoot me now.

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Is it that you WANT TO GET MARRIED? Is this the "definitive" marker of his love for you? I gotta believe thatyou're not thinking that he's going out getting laid and there is a risk of bringing home an STD to you. So his"hangup" is not that he needs "variety", it's that he is deeply insecure (Moon square Saturn) and needs to crawl
off to lick his wounds in private?
I used to say that my idea of a perfect relationship was living in a 2-floor house, him on one floor and me on
the other, and we'd call each other up when we wanted time together and say "hey baby, whatcha doin?"..... but
I digress
I'm sure there are a whole lot more reasons that can be explained on this forum for why you feel he hasn't"committed" to you. I want to look at the charts before sticking my foot further into my mouth.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #229 - on: 21.01.2011 at 05:24 [UT] »SL, I am going to PM you.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #230 - on: 21.01.2011 at 06:15 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 21.01.2011 at 05:24 [UT]:SL, I am going to PM you.

Thanks so much for taking time to comment. We both know that hard aspects to Uranus are responsible formuch more than we've mentioned. Other aspects play a part, yes, but it's that Uranian energy in both ourcharts that keeps things so unsettled.
Maybe you have a future as an astrologer! IMO, you've got what it takes. Start writing some articles, etc....justan idea. I wouldn't mind doing that myself someday.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #231 - on: 21.01.2011 at 07:13 [UT] »LOL, Sleepy Lady, I claimed my right to call myself an astrologer over 15 years ago. I have lectured at
astrological conferences, and written articles for metaphysical papers. I owned my own metaphysical retailstore and taught astrology as well as did readings. Oh lordy, I have no problem urping out my astrologicalopinion if I can get a synthesized, almost-computerized in my brain "hit" from a chart. It's the strangest thing,but very Uranian, I guess.
There's no doubt that I knew astrology in a prior life, because when I found it, I consumed it. And when the"computer thing" started happening in my brain... I look and look at a chart and then all the planets starttalking... when that happened, I started thinking in astrology as well. Events, people... they all had 2 sides in
my brain... the "person" and the "astrology behind the person". It make it easier to accept everyone that way.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #232 - on: 21.01.2011 at 08:03 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 21.01.2011 at 03:07 [UT]:
Yeah, Uranus/Venus, unless perhaps a well aspected conjunction or the trine, would be the crazy come-closer/get away! syndrome...

And Laura-- what Liz Greene book is about Uranus---- or is that one of the Sasportas/Greene lecture series? If it is, I've got it, and needto re-read!

To Dog and Mona - yes, I see what you mean about the conciliation aspect and Uranus being inimical to that...
I'll have to dig the book out and see how she elaborated on that.
I know a couple of people with venus sq uranus and I think I can see that 'come closer/ go away' thing, yep. I
think it's fair to say that the moon has the hardest time with uranus??
Anyway, the book is The Art of Stealing Fire. Excellent stuff.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #233 - on: 21.01.2011 at 11:38 [UT] »Quote from Laura Jesson on 20.01.2011 at 23:49 [UT]:As mentioned earlier on Liz Greene's book on Uranus is an excellent read. I found it fascinating - way more fascinating than a book on
Pluto
As I recall, she actually says that it doesn't matter so much whether the aspect is hard or not - what matters most is that you have uranus
aspecting xy or z planet.

I think she said that the moon has the hardest time with uranus but that counter-intuitively
perhaps, venus has the easiest.

O aspects all my personals except venus but the only hard aspect it makes is to my AC/G conjunction - it's squaring it from the fourth.
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Yep, never feel fit in anywhere... hate being tied to anything as humdrum as a 9-5 job - all that, yeah.
Sidenote: another interesting thing I recall she said was that she thought it was wrongheaded to consider uranus exalted in scorpio.

I can relate to that Laura, since I have a hard D O aspect.....nand have always viewed it in a very positive light.....and have not "projected" it onto my relationships, happily
being the villainous rover who up and leaves, looking for new horizons...and still consider it a positive thing.
Life and Love are a grand adventure, and nothing is to be missed, if you can help it. Being tied down..foreverand ever, amen..... til-death-do-us-part.....is for the birds.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #234 - on: 21.01.2011 at 13:55 [UT] »Quote from Laura Jesson on 20.01.2011 at 23:49 [UT]:As mentioned earlier on Liz Greene's book on Uranus is an excellent read. I found it fascinating - way more fascinating than a book on
Pluto
As I recall, she actually says that it doesn't matter so much whether the aspect is hard or not - what matters most is that you have uranus
aspecting xy or z planet.
I think she said that the moon has the hardest time with uranus but that counter-intuitively perhaps, venus has the easiest.

I'll have to locate Liz's book...

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I don't know if this is Lee's experience, but I find that I attracted people of the opposite sex who want topossess or own me in some manner. I find that I offer people lots of room and freedoms that I don't really feelI experience equally in return. Some people are so drawn to the extreme polarity of themselves and vice versa.
I tend to attract uptight guys who can't let their hair down, and they are attracted to me, who can, so to speak.
I'm definitely the adventurous type, willing and desiring to explore all the beauty in life! My life is surroundedby art, music, film, creativity and decor and any other means I can invite into my life. I always tell my friends,"Life is too short to live in an ugly house, eat bad food, or watch B movies."
And... I feel a little like I can't rely on people to give me the same freedoms I'm willing to give them, which ispart that Moon placement as well. It's herky jerky, and basically, it enforces this part of me that says I'm
supposed to be alone and not in a partnership this time around. And I can get smitten really quickly. Not asmuch as I did before I had my Uranus opposition take effect, mind you. I think that tempered it with a lot of
extreme experiences with people that left an indelible mark on my psyche and broke my heart. So, I'm in a
holding pattern now, which I hate. I seem to be attracting a lot of unhappily married men, which is reinforcingthat OmD part that attracts an extreme opposite. I represent a "freedom" and they are in their "cage." What
was interesting is that when I was married, I never attracted single men...

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #235 - on: 21.01.2011 at 16:19 [UT] »Ms. Miranda, that is very interesting and makes me think that yep, there is a good side to the hard aspects. I
have "quirky" female friends. I can accept people's quirks unquestionably and have a hard time realizing thatsometimes they can't accept mine. Plus, if I had a party and had all my female friends in a room, there would
be a catfight. I befriend people who sometimes wear their quirks on a sleeve and are defensive about them(except not with me, because I don't judge them) and if you were to put them in a room together, theirdefensiveness comes out and they get catty. I can't tell you how many times one friend has said "I don't know
HOW you can be friends with so and so, she's so WEIRD!"... but I can. I recognize each person's uniqueaspects of their personality and that's what I like them for.
Also, I seem to threaten the mates of the women that I befriend, sometimes. Because I can so easily be alone,
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fatale (which I definitely think is a O trait) who vamps on men just for sport, so that's not what I'm
encouraging their wives to do. I just like going out and doing things whether or not I'm with a partner. This
seems to threaten some men. The really good ones are glad their wives are friends with me, get to know me
and see that I'm not a bad person, and encourage their wives to have fun. The others fall off eventually.
Another quirk I have is that sometimes someone will walk into a room and there is an instantaneous "dislike" ofa person on my part. Energy is just bad. Really bad. I can read them a mile away, and it's borne out to betrue a bunch of times. My best girlfriend says I can spot a bad man a mile away, unless I'm attracted to him, inwhich case, my retarded side comes out and I can't see what everyone else can see. I've been fooled by quite afew "players" in my time.
"Players" are interesting because I think what attracts me is that every "player" is usually an insecure man atheart; this is what I see and respond to. Most of them are Neptunian, and I have Jupiter/Neptune in the 7th.
My kryptonite.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #236 - on: 21.01.2011 at 17:03 [UT] »OH, you've said a mouthful, Dog... I've had friends whose husbands feel threatened by my freedom loving
lifestyle, especially after I got divorced. I had to end a friendship with one gal because her husband was sothreatened by my influence, as if I would poison his wife into leaving them. This was one of the most common
experiences during the early phase of my Uranus opposition when it was triggering myD the most.
Funny, what you say about worrying about getting all your friends together. I have always felt uneasy aboutthat as well, like they all make sense as my friend, but something in me felt like they were all so different,
which I think speaks to the diversity and expansiveness and dynamic nature of this placement in your chart.
Sometimes progressive people attract people who we are to teach how to expand their minds in some way, but
not everyone expands in the same way or at the same rate. So the collective of our friends can look bizarre
when you pool them into a room together. I had this come up for me recently as I had a housewarming & Xmas
party last month. I thought about inviting ALL my friends to see what would happen. I TOO thought there they
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friend... artists, medical people, travel people, a nail technician, a book dealer, massage therapist, a hair stylist,
and the nations of the UK, Poland, Italy, and Mexico all represented. And this was a party of only 17 people!
LOL. THat part of my Uranian life I love. I have very interesting friends. I thought to myself, "WOW.. will thesepeople even find anything to talk about?" But they had a BLAST and asked me to do it again next year. So, I
guess the fun was that my friends were this amazing pallet for a lovely party. Social artistry and creating
atmosphere for a gathering is something I know I am good at... which is perhaps part of theDmOf trining my11th house I and Eh... Interesting you have an aspect to IH7 and F... That's interesting. My friends all
are very intense thinkers, but are not argumentative.
Instant likes and dislikes with people... check. My mars in scorpio makes that pretty predictable. People arenever indifferent towards me. They either connect or I get under their skin. Sometimes I get under people'sskin and later they and I become the best of friends. Mars does that with my Uranus a lot with women. Withmen... if we don't get along... forget about it. I'm never going to go out of my way to be friends with you. I'll
be cordial and polite and that is it. And that could be part of the moon influence as well on my Uranian parts. I
have a had quite a few girlfriends whose husbands I find to be complete knuckle draggers, they know it, and apart of them is intimidated by me. However, eventually they underestimate me and end up getting zapped witha verbal cattle prod lol...

Kryptonite... lol I like that analogy!

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #237 - on: 21.01.2011 at 19:14 [UT] »Quote:
I don't know if this is Lee's experience, but I find that I attracted people of the opposite sex who want to possess or own me in somemanner. I find that I offer people lots of room and freedoms that I don't really feel I experience equally in return.

Yes, Miranda, that is my experience. Pretty much all of my women have really tried to "nail me down", being
very possessive and territorial. I, on the other hand am quite loose in regards of where she goes, what she
does, who she sees, etc. It's not a big deal to me.
But, good-natured soul that I am, I put up with it.....to a point....and then am gone......
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #238 - on: 21.01.2011 at 19:19 [UT] »And the secret to why you are so happily married now is????? (inquiring minds want to know!)

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #239 - on: 21.01.2011 at 19:54 [UT] »Quote from Lee Rutland on 21.01.2011 at 19:14 [UT]:
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I don't know if this is Lee's experience, but I find that I attracted people of the opposite sex who want to possess or own
me in some manner. I find that I offer people lots of room and freedoms that I don't really feel I experience equally inreturn.
Yes, Miranda, that is my experience. Pretty much all of my women have really tried to "nail me down" , being very possessive andterritorial. I, on the other hand am quite loose in regards of where she goes, what she does, who she sees, etc. It's not a big deal to me.
But, good-natured soul that I am, I put up with it.....to a point....and then am gone......

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Lee, I thought you kinky k's loved that part.

What you describe is perfect, though.

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I put up with being systematically caged into my marriage for seven years and then I told my husband I wasn't
happy in the marriage, that I needed to talk to someone for a couple months and figure things out, and somespace to figure out my life and what I wanted. He agreed, but only 3 weeks passed and one day he pressed andpressed and pressed and finally backed me up against a wall, figurative speaking, and asked, "DO you want a
divorce or not?" And . It was like and electric current went through me and I said without hesitation, "YES."
Then he smugly asked, "What if you change your mind?" I looked at him and said, "Not gonna happen." Henever knew what hit him.
And they never do, do they, Lee?
When my heart is done, it's done. It's almost surgical. There was no mourning. Just a lot of resentment on myown part with myself for putting up with allowing someone to stifle me. Now... I'm so much more aware of it. I
still give people slack, but I'm a lot more cautious about how quickly I allow people into my field of energy.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #240 - on: 21.01.2011 at 20:01 [UT] »DnO is quite fun... meaning for me the comedienne. Why cry when you feel better with a great laugh sort ofthing. This is also dancing with the other in a magnetic field. Very rapid fall in fall off in love. When fall in... and"dancing" there is the pull to get into the magnetic field of one others. Magnetic-sexual I´d say
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #241 - on: 21.01.2011 at 20:03 [UT] »I have Venus p Uranus Mars (fire which adds to the freedom and adventurous streak) and can relate to giving
freedom and being independent and finding any stifling or suffocation/possessiveness controlling. I would
never want to cage anyone as I want them to be with me just because they do. If they don't, I let them "fly".
Mind you it hasn't been easy letting some of those fly as I loved them deeply but I also loved myself and knew
I wanted someone who wanted me the same. Actually reminds me of the show Sex and the City. You can see
the hard Uranus aspects with some of their love lives-I relate to Carrie as had a relationship like hers-my big
love very much like her Big love. My other love like her Aiden who she couldn't commit to. He pushing her
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Gender:and her pushing Big. Although I think she was more an Uranus Venus in a hard aspect. Taking little spaces andbreaks is healthy although some people need that to recharge batteries and get back some centered self
preservation. To each their own but some people need 24/7 tied to the hip which is fine if you both like that. I
also find many married or coupled women don't get me as they have this inherent need to cling or need thesafety/security.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #242 - on: 21.01.2011 at 20:35 [UT] »Hm. Me and my husband both have a lot of aspects with OJ (we both have them conjunct)
He has a lot of squares, I have the sextiles & trines.
We BOTH like our space and freedom, which I guess works out. We aren't the couples you see out shopping
together and whatnot. I do my part of the shopping and he does the guy part of it, but we don't do it
together - not ever.
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Gender:We both are prone to shutting ourselves away sometimes, but it's ok with both of us.
more likely to come looking for me than I am him.

Actually, he is a lot

Concerning weddings, funerals, work events, and any other get-together type of events, we always invite theother, but with the understanding that "you don't HAVE to, and no hard feelings if you don't want to". He
doesn't have to suffer through a lot of stuff where he's never seen the people before, and I don't either, unless
we really want to go. It works for us.
Not to say it's been smooth sailing though. I very nearly left this past summer due to his extreme temper
issues - maybe OmJmE oCD? Don't know, but he CAN be a pistol - throwing/breaking things - and I'dabsolutely had all of that that I intended to take. All of my breakables are still packed up and sitting in myparents basement. He hasn't pulled such a thing since I packed it all over there though.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #243 - on: 21.01.2011 at 20:59 [UT] »I admit that there is the freedom part. And as lioninrain said, never shoping (D?) together. And prefering to do
my own things, letting the other too. Not much of judgements or questioning.
Checked what Ebertin says to this DO combo and he talks abouth "births" (true as in my case a sectio) but
also "love-adventures", but coming down to this: "unfaithfulness"makes me understand the bitter side ofit... the magnet that once attracted are next just nothing. Running away from it all. I thought I had enoughwith AoFIDC...
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #244 - on: 21.01.2011 at 21:18 [UT] »It's possible I'm older than all of you, so my perspective is a little different. I've been single a LONG time, have
traveled extensively overseas, and have met people from all over the world, which I enjoy tremendously. I know
the "horribleness" of being in a bad marriage, and I never want to relive that experience. I also need a LOT ofalone time, and I don't think I'm possessive or need someone with me very minute. But we Taureans are wired
to domesticity, and as I face the final years of my existence on this planet, I don't want to be alone. I don't
mean that anybody will do... I definitely have to love the person I'm with...but sometimes having a committed
relationship or marriage is the wisest decision...if you have that option.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #245 - on: 21.01.2011 at 21:59 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 21.01.2011 at 19:19 [UT]:
And the secret to why you are so happily married now is????? (inquiring minds want to know!)Well,
She is a Gemini, our Suns are Trine,
Her Mercury sits on My Uranus
She's as wild and crazy as I am, and as independent,
We each did our wild bit...4 marriages each and much hither and yon
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plus I fell for her "way back when", but she was married to my best friend, so we each did our young days
thing, and then got together...she just called me up one day and said, "I hear you're single again......."and that was that.....
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #246 - on: 22.01.2011 at 00:14 [UT] »Sleepy Lady:
I can see the strong Taurus in your connection. I am sure that is hard to let go - you have been together solong. I suppose you have been very patient as I would have said so long a long time ago if someone wasn't
willing to commit. I have my big love who I stay in touch with. He wouldn't commit so I moved on. He didcome back to me a few times wanting to give another try but I moved on and was with someone else. I might
consider him again if he was willing to commit if I was free. Sort of happening now as I keep thinking of him
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Gender:alot. All timing I guess.
I can definately relate to needing my own floor in a house

I need my own space cave privacy too! I get

really annoyed if someone becomes too needy or demanding. I habitually get people who call me incessantly if
I don't return calls back right away even if I say I am busy and will call. Its funny how you attract the opposite.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #247 - on: 22.01.2011 at 01:54 [UT] »Uranus is in the same degree as the descendant while Jupiter is exactly square the ascendant and descendant in
the 4th. Is there any significance of any importance in that Uranus and Jupiter have been somewhat conjunctthese last however many months? Just trying to discriminate and understand what has been causing what.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #248 - on: 22.01.2011 at 20:14 [UT] »Quote from Lee Rutland on 21.01.2011 at 21:59 [UT]:
Quote from dog8818 on 21.01.2011 at 19:19 [UT]:
And the secret to why you are so happily married now is????? (inquiring minds want to know!)Well,
She is a Gemini, our Suns are Trine,
Her Mercury sits on My Uranus
She's as wild and crazy as I am, and as independent,
We each did our wild bit...4 marriages each and much hither and yonplus I fell for her "way back when", but she was married to my best friend, so we each did our young days thing, and then got
together...she just called me up one day and said, "I hear you're single again......."and that was that.....
We have fun together!

This appears to be a fairly natural condition among Uranus people I know. Relations with friend's Ex Boyfriends,
Ex lover's girlfriends, Best Friend's wife. I have know three Uranus strong folks who have dipped into the
nearby inkwell where "friends" or "friends of friends" are concerned.
A very unique factor coming out!

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #249 - on: 23.01.2011 at 11:49 [UT] »Would you say that hard aspects from the sun or moon to uranus would make someone a difficult person?

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #250 - on: 23.01.2011 at 14:58 [UT] »Quote from nameinuse on 23.01.2011 at 11:49 [UT]:
Would you say that hard aspects from the sun or moon to uranus would make someone a difficult person?

Of the people I know with these aspects, including myself, I would say yes.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #251 - on: 23.01.2011 at 15:54 [UT] »Quote from nameinuse on 23.01.2011 at 11:49 [UT]:
Would you say that hard aspects from the sun or moon to uranus would make someone a difficult person?

I wouldn't consider myself difficult...my crutch (complaint) is when people don't let me just BE.
Won't be micromanaged...
I love compromise!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #252 - on: 23.01.2011 at 16:38 [UT] »i have:A-B-C-FnO
any Interpretation?
are people with AH unique?!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #253 - on: 23.01.2011 at 16:42 [UT] »Quote from Noyab Nunca on 22.01.2011 at 20:14 [UT]:
Quote from Lee Rutland on 21.01.2011 at 21:59 [UT]:
Quote from dog8818 on 21.01.2011 at 19:19 [UT]:
And the secret to why you are so happily married now is????? (inquiring minds want to know!)

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Gender:Well,
She is a Gemini, our Suns are Trine,
Her Mercury sits on My Uranus
She's as wild and crazy as I am, and as independent,
We each did our wild bit...4 marriages each and much hither and yonplus I fell for her "way back when", but she was married to my best friend, so we each did our young days thing,
and then got together...she just called me up one day and said, "I hear you're single again......."and that was that.....
We have fun together!

This appears to be a fairly natural condition among Uranus people I know. Relations with friend's Ex Boyfriends, Ex lover's girlfriends, Best
Friend's wife. I have know three Uranus strong folks who have dipped into the nearby inkwell where "friends" or "friends of friends" areconcerned.
A very unique factor coming out!

Very "Melrose Place"......
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #254 - on: 23.01.2011 at 19:58 [UT] »Quote from Noyab Nunca on 22.01.2011 at 20:14 [UT]:
Quote from Lee Rutland on 21.01.2011 at 21:59 [UT]:
Quote from dog8818 on 21.01.2011 at 19:19 [UT]:
And the secret to why you are so happily married now is????? (inquiring minds want to know!)Well,
She is a Gemini, our Suns are Trine,
Her Mercury sits on My Uranus
She's as wild and crazy as I am, and as independent,
We each did our wild bit...4 marriages each and much hither and yonplus I fell for her "way back when", but she was married to my best friend, so we each did our young days thing,
and then got together...she just called me up one day and said, "I hear you're single again......."and that was that.....

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We have fun together!

Gender:This appears to be a fairly natural condition among Uranus people I know. Relations with friend's Ex Boyfriends, Ex lover's girlfriends, Best
Friend's wife. I have know three Uranus strong folks who have dipped into the nearby inkwell where "friends" or "friends of friends" areconcerned.
A very unique factor coming out!

I have a "way back" friend that I often wonder about, Lee... We actually reconnected through facebook after 25
years of not being in communication (how Uranian!). And while he's not free (for NOW), I do sometimes
wonder, if some day the two of us, when we're in our waning years, will end up together when I've decided toleave the US for good...
wishful thinking...
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #255 - on: 23.01.2011 at 21:59 [UT] »Depending on what houses that configuration occurs makes some difference what areas are effected. But
overall, it is about difficulty to snap out of it. Moon in fall is the problem that causes some need fortransformative change. It's a stubborn problem, so it takes shock treatment. Excitment and change to statusquo. It is revolt. It is revolutionary and untested. How to proceed with this without rejection. By using the
Scorpio drama and emotional control that focuses and never gives up. Only take the good from the situation.
Don't be a bottom feeder. But, sometimes that seems to be forced on one. A total annhilation and rebirth as
a new exciting different thing then takes place. Depending where it occurs house 1-6 are subjective and 7-12
are objective. If there is mutual reception or another benefic such as Jupiter or Venus with positive aspects
then it can be channeled in better way through that. Once that clicks. If it isn't unmitigated, then have more
grappling to get all the energy to be used for positive outcomes when the tensions occur. This is mark of somegenius of a unique person who has to muster something and deal with being put down at times because of it.
During those times, don't take it personally. Don't have to fight against it so low down. Just be tennacious.
If Uranus is in Aquarius, then philosophical answer to some challenges are helpful. Such a one that often issaid, "The general public is insane." The Moon being the general public significator in fall square Uranus
Aquarius. Of course if your Uranus and Moon are in another sign and sector then acts according to thosepositions somewhat differentlly perhaps.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #256 - on: 24.01.2011 at 12:06 [UT] »Quote from Ms. Miranda on 23.01.2011 at 19:58 [UT]:

I have a "way back" friend that I often wonder about, Lee... We actually reconnected through facebook after 25 years of not being incommunication (how Uranian!). And while he's not free (for NOW), I do sometimes wonder, if some day the two of us, when

we're in our waning years, will end up together when I've decided to leave the US for good...
wishful thinking...

Or, perhaps that Uranian foreknowledge??????
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #257 - on: 24.01.2011 at 12:08 [UT] »Quote from nameinuse on 23.01.2011 at 11:49 [UT]:
Would you say that hard aspects from the sun or moon to uranus would make someone a difficult person?

Only for other people,
who are too hide-bound and conventional to understand them.....

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #258 - on: 24.01.2011 at 14:49 [UT] »Quote from Lee Rutland on 24.01.2011 at 12:08 [UT]:
Quote from nameinuse on 23.01.2011 at 11:49 [UT]:
Would you say that hard aspects from the sun or moon to uranus would make someone a difficult person?
Only for other people,
who are too hide-bound and conventional to understand them.....

lol!
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #259 - on: 24.01.2011 at 18:17 [UT] »Quote from ~Leela on 24.01.2011 at 14:49 [UT]:
Quote from Lee Rutland on 24.01.2011 at 12:08 [UT]:
Quote from nameinuse on 23.01.2011 at 11:49 [UT]:
Would you say that hard aspects from the sun or moon to uranus would make someone a difficult person?
Only for other people,
who are too hide-bound and conventional to understand them.....

lol!

Another big laughter.
I have a good friend who has his k B conjunct my DnO. We have lot of fun together. Once sitting in a bar
together wth a third part she asked if we always talk like that. She meant she didn´t exactly understand what
we were talking about. Too "aloof" ( philosofical-psychological)subjects and the way we talk, a bit like codedconversations. Sometimes we are totaly crazy, lot of adventures, could fill ten books of them. Better friendshipthere aren´t

He´s a male.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #260 - on: 24.01.2011 at 19:41 [UT] »Quote from Lee Rutland on 24.01.2011 at 12:06 [UT]:
Quote from Ms. Miranda on 23.01.2011 at 19:58 [UT]:

I have a "way back" friend that I often wonder about, Lee... We actually reconnected through facebook after 25 years of
not being in communication (how Uranian!). And while he's not free (for NOW), I do sometimes wonder, if some

day the two of us, when we're in our waning years, will end up together when I've decided to leave the US for good...
wishful thinking...

Or, perhaps that Uranian foreknowledge??????

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Gender:Okay, Lee. You got me. A part of me knows we'll be together some day.

An older male Virgo friend of minesaid, "Hey, Miranda, he's married, not buried." I surround myself with "Uranian enablers".

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #261 - on: 24.01.2011 at 20:22 [UT] »Coming back to the subject of vulnerability, I just saw a quote that I think pertains to it. Uranus deals with
opening the mind. And I find that a mind can't be open without an open heart, and vice versa. So I see
Uranus as having an element of courage, perhaps indirectly. I find some kind of resonance with Aries too, notsure why. After all, it takes courage to be a rebel, courage to be innovative, whether in thought or deed, and it
takes courage to be vulnerable.
"The only reason we don't open our hearts
and minds to other people is that they
trigger confusion in us that we don't
feel brave enough or sane enough to deal
with. To the degree that we look clearlyand compassionately at ourselves, we feel
confident and fearless about looking into
someone else's eyes. "~Pema Chödrön
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #262 - on: 24.01.2011 at 20:47 [UT] »Quote from Gia Thegre on 23.01.2011 at 21:59 [UT]:
Depending on what houses that configuration occurs makes some difference what areas are effected. But overall, it is about difficulty tosnap out of it. Moon in fall is the problem that causes some need for transformative change. It's a stubborn problem, so ittakes shock treatment. Excitment and change to status quo. It is revolt. It is revolutionary and untested. How to proceed withthis without rejection. By using the Scorpio drama and emotional control that focuses and never gives up. Only take the good from thesituation. Don't be a bottom feeder. But, sometimes that seems to be forced on one. A total annhilation and rebirth as a new exciting
different thing then takes place. Depending where it occurs house 1-6 are subjective and 7-12 are objective. If there is mutual reception or
another benefic such as Jupiter or Venus with positive aspects then it can be channeled in better way through that. Once that clicks. If it
isn't unmitigated, then have more grappling to get all the energy to be used for positive outcomes when the tensions occur. This is mark ofsome genius of a unique person who has to muster something and deal with being put down at times because of it. During those times,
don't take it personally. Don't have to fight against it so low down. Just be tennacious. If Uranus is in Aquarius, then philosophical answer
to some challenges are helpful. Such a one that often is said, "The general public is insane." The Moon being the general public significatorin fall square Uranus Aquarius. Of course if your Uranus and Moon are in another sign and sector then acts according to those positions

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somewhat differentlly perhaps.

Gender:Ok, that's really not funny, having just received major electroconvulsive therapy over the weekend in order to'really get' that one part of my life is completely over....
and as far as Quote:"mark of some genius... who has to muster something and deal with being put down at times because of it"--- that was exactly IT (except I don't see "genius", I see "mortal with morals". I had to stand tall in the face ofmany people who take the much lower road (it's so much easier that way) and I was crucified for it... literally
hung out as an "example" for anyone else who might dare have the umbrage to say that they Emperor Has No
Clothes. What was my fault??? HONESTY. I called it as I saw it and there were repercussions. The hardest
part is that I had to allow myself to admit that I had been part of the coverup, and was unwilling to continue
any longer, so my coming out and owning it also implicated others involved in the cover up. But the price had
become too high, I needed to stop playing.
Thanks Gia, your imput is always valuable.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #263 - on: 24.01.2011 at 21:29 [UT] »If O is in the same degree as the descendant and F is exactly square the ascendant and descendant in the 4th,then the conjunction of F and O apparently makes one invisible...a trivial piece of trivia which may or may not
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #264 - on: 24.01.2011 at 22:48 [UT] »Hey peeples....
On Feb. 2 Venus will square Uranus. Venus will be at the degree of the last eclipse ---- 28 i - this is also the
Galactic Center. Uranus will be at (IMO) a very critical degree conjunct a icky fixed star - Scheat - at 28 l. For
people who use major asteroids, Juno is at 28 Virgo, so if you are having relationship issues and have planetsor angles, natal or progressed, at 28 Gemini, you will most likely have a story to tell shortly after Feb. 2.
Also, the New Moon is that day, at what has shown to be a potent degree of 13 k, where we had an eclipse in2009. Mars is conjunct this New Moon. So the mid-degree fixed signs are brought into the picture as Mars will
be activating that eclipse point.
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Gender:Other than the obvious (13 degrees fixed is the degree of my natal moon, progressed DAF squaring O ine)... yippeeee
I am wondering... do you think that Uranus being square to the Galactic Center is why people are in such deepshock over the events that are happening in their lives? With Venus coming up to the Galactic Center to besquared by Uranus, is this a chance, a REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT CHANCE for people to DO RELATIONSHIPSDIFFERENTLY? Is there a significance of Sheat being involved?
I can't help but make correlations intuitively to the Mayan calendar and the importance of Venus in that cycle.
I have no formal education so I can't speak intelligently about that, but there is a niggling in the back of myhead saying that this may be important.
Anyone have any thoughts? Anyone have any kinds of plans made for Feb. 2 that they now can see is
synchronistic??

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #265 - on: 24.01.2011 at 23:36 [UT] »Well, this will be interesting astrologically. Something's bound to happen in my life with p.ASC 27c,
n.O28c15, p.C 29c (all in 3rd), and Eros at 13k (in11th). I also have Vesta at 26i (in 9th), but I have noidea if that would mean anything. Hopefully, we'll all have interesting stories to tell.
Plans? I'm going to try to be out and about, not holed up at the kitchen table with my laptop.

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Ex Member« Reply #266 - on: 25.01.2011 at 00:35 [UT] »If C is ruler of your 3rd, I might venture that you and your laptop will be the best looking couple of the year.

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Ex Member« Reply #267 - on: 25.01.2011 at 00:38 [UT] »Plans? I'm going to try to be out and about, not holed up at the kitchen table with my laptop.

May I join you? Not having the laptop in the kitchen but eat in front of it.
Eclipsed my D at 11k and the p at 13 dgrs. Semisquare my progressed A with T O. Pr Sun o Galactic Center.
T AE m n D. with T N mI in last k still valid on my AB MP. My p E also in k. Overloaded...
electromagnetics, sounds from Galactic ? Interestingly my personal p NewB will be at Sheat. So, do you thinkI´m getting prepared for something?
But the question is what...
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Ex Member« Reply #268 - on: 25.01.2011 at 00:55 [UT] »Quote from Noyab Nunca on 25.01.2011 at 00:35 [UT]:If

C is ruler of your 3rd, I might venture that you and your laptop will be the best looking couple of the year.

You might be right. However, the Venus transit will be in my progressed 7th house.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #269 - on: 25.01.2011 at 03:24 [UT] »Quote from Sleepy Lady on 24.01.2011 at 23:36 [UT]:c, n.O28c15, p.C 29c (all in 3rd),i (in 9th), but I have no idea if that would mean anything. Hopefully, we'll all haveWell, this will be interesting astrologically. Something's bound to happen in my life with p.ASC 27k

and Eros at 13(in11th). I also have Vesta at 26
interesting stories to tell.

Plans? I'm going to try to be out and about, not holed up at the kitchen table with my laptop.

Well, OKAY, but ***drive*** carefully.
I have been watching eclipse triggers for some time now and it seems Mars really does kick it up.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #270 - on: 25.01.2011 at 08:14 [UT] »Definitely circling Feb 2 on my calendar.
That 2009 eclipse opposed my 13° Leo Moon, in fact every eclipse that year was within 2° of a natal placement
by either a conjunction or opposition.
These days…
PR Mars is 29° Gem
PR Moon is less than 1° from natal Mars 26° Taurus (Asc ruler.....andPosts: 71

Algol).

SA Moon is 29° Virgo
SA Mars = Sun
SA Sun=Uranus
And it’s only a week away.
Just want to say the contributions to this thread are gold. My Asc ruler is square Uranus and whilst not conjunctby orb, Moon and Uranus are part of a stellium.
This thread has been one heck of an eye-opener.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #271 - on: 02.03.2011 at 00:36 [UT] »Resurrecting this thread to check and see how everyone is doing during this period while transiting Uranus and
M is squaring the Nodes.
My progressed Asc. is 29 Gemini, so the South Node is sitting on it, and the K is sitting on my p. Descendant,with Uranus squaring it from the 12th.
Last night I found out that a female friend had thrown me under the bus to another female who she knows I do
not trust, do not like and want nothing to do with (we'll call her M). My friend wants to date someone the M
person type knows, so she called M and gave her information about me. Lots more to the story, but suffice tosay that the conversation took place when the South Node was exactly on my p. Asc.
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Gender:I also have transiting neptune in my 11th squaring natal Mars in 2nd. The information divulged was very
personal and I feel betrayed.
I have seen no limit to bad behaviors from people these days! Has everyone gone mad? The indulgences inescape tendencies is everywhere, with no accountability and responsibility!
AND .... on March 19th we have a Full Moon in Virgo at 28 Virgo.

O is 0 degree Aries, M is 29 l, A at 28l.

Who else has events happening at their 28-29 Mutable natal or progressed points???
I am asking about the 28/29 degree because these are DEGREES OF ENDINGS. With Uranus the separations
are surprising and shocking. I won't say they are IRREVOCABLE because I'd like to think that what Uranus
wants to do is shake things up, put the pieces in another way, and level the playing field. But, some times thisdoes mean that there is no going back.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #272 - on: 02.03.2011 at 00:42 [UT] »I have transited moon square uranus and frankly I feel like putting the democratic bomb of the MiddleEast
under the whole of my own life.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #273 - on: 02.03.2011 at 08:42 [UT] »Quote from Elemi66 on 02.03.2011 at 00:42 [UT]:
I feel like putting the democratic bomb of the MiddleEast under the whole of my own life.

I’ll have what she’s having.

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Natal Lilith – 28° Virgo (6 cusp)
PR Mars – 29° Gem
A few months ago I greeted Saturns transit to my 6 house by being sensible and getting myself to a dentist forsome long overdue visits.
A number of visits and $3,000+ and still counting – later, and the end is near with two remaining visits.
Feb 28 - emergency visit to the dentist with an abscess in my gum, its not good news, it’s serious, it’s been
festering for quite some time and is eating away at the bone. Started treatment to attempt to save the tooth,will find out if it was successful March 18th.
I'm peeved this was not detected last November with the initial exam that included multiple x-rays….….could be
tr Neptune squaring my natal Mars (Asc ruler).
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #274 - on: 03.03.2011 at 01:18 [UT] »Quote from arcaneo on 02.03.2011 at 08:42 [UT]:
Quote from Elemi66 on 02.03.2011 at 00:42 [UT]:
I feel like putting the democratic bomb of the MiddleEast under the whole of my own life.

I’ll have what she’s having.

Natal Lilith – 28° Virgo (6 cusp)
PR Mars – 29° Gem

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A number of visits and $3,000+ and still counting – later, and the end is near with two remaining visits.
Feb 28 - emergency visit to the dentist with an abscess in my gum, its not good news, it’s serious, it’s been festering for quite some timeand is eating away at the bone. Started treatment to attempt to save the tooth, will find out if it was successful March 18th.
I'm peeved this was not detected last November with the initial exam that included multiple x-rays….….could be tr Neptune squaring my
natal Mars (Asc ruler).

Hoo boy. It's such a potent combination, that Uranus/Lilith transit as well as the Neptune transit.
In my world, it's the men gone wild, losing their heads (p. Mars rx at Algol, 26 b, natal Mars at 29 b). I think
I cry every single day, because the men are being melted away (one dying, one just plain crazy) without mybeing able to say goodbye. They are just slipping away, disappearing into the fog and nothing's to be done
about it. The only thing that helps is deeeep breathing.
Mars rules my Asc. as well. I am invisible.
March on......
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #275 - on: 03.03.2011 at 13:42 [UT] »Hopefully we can get some relief when tr.I temporarily leaves k.
My n. A conj your pr./natal E, I have not seen sunshine for many months.
A dear male friend died when tr.I o hit my A for the first time, some others just disappeared or probably arevery busy with their own personal transits, one is having tr. I o AD and B

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #276 - on: 09.03.2011 at 00:05 [UT] »DOG WRITES_ AND .... on March 19th we have a Full Moon in Virgo at 28 Virgo.

Yikes- this is m my NG- H3

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #277 - on: 10.03.2011 at 20:50 [UT] »I have no idea where to go and hide any more.
That Full Moon in Virgo... And so many seem to be involved. Trans.B tr. Juno nA, O,M. All the last ones on
my natal N(7th) who's under strain already with trans. No natal E. Plus trans. Em natal A, I'll have tochange, house, country, planet. There must be a place for me.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets

Genetrix« Reply #278 - on: 10.03.2011 at 22:10 [UT] »MemberSuch an interesting thread... I see shades of some of the things written in myself but, not to such an extreme
extent. I think having ImASC is too strong in my chart and urges me to merge with others. I don't have any
aspects between O and my personal planets but, my closest midpoint aspect is MC= B/O and, I haveattracted many kB or BO partners. Both my ex-husband and current husband have kB and mydaughter's father had BhmO.
I think the way I experienced my MC=B/O in my childhood was through my mother's periodic depressive
episodes. When she wasn't depressed, she was very connected to us...warm, loving, nurturing but, when she
went into depression, there would be days and weeks of disconnection.
Being misunderstood is something I can definately relate to though.

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I also have OnN and Juno and my A/B mp forms a T-Square. The aspect between O - A/B - Juno isexact.... with all being at 5 degrees of g-d-a. I expect when T O reaches 5a, some hell is going to breakloose!!!
Oh! and since my MmB, it is also involved in that MC=B/O midpoint picture.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #279 - on: 10.03.2011 at 22:14 [UT] »IRIS- Lets run away together....
I'm the rsourceful type
Anyone want to come along

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #280 - on: 10.03.2011 at 22:33 [UT] »Quote from ~Leela on 24.01.2011 at 20:22 [UT]:Coming back to the subject of vulnerability, I just saw a quote that I think pertains to it. Uranus deals with opening the mind. And I findthat a mind can't be open without an open heart, and vice versa. So I see Uranus as having an element of courage, perhaps indirectly. I
find some kind of resonance with Aries too, not sure why. After all, it takes courage to be a rebel, courage to be innovative, whether inthought or deed, and it takes courage to be vulnerable.

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and minds to other people is that they
trigger confusion in us that we don't
feel brave enough or sane enough to deal
with. To the degree that we look clearlyand compassionately at ourselves, we feel
confident and fearless about looking into
someone else's eyes. "~Pema Chödrön

That is a fantastic quote because that fearlessness is seen in your eyes.
I have my JO conj straddling the 4th hs cusp each eactly 3 degrees on eithorside (this is a prominent happening in my chart this straddling) and I assure you that Uranus deals with
opening EVERYTHING. Not justs minds. Systems, structures, cans of worms, everything it comes in contact
with. I don't see it as courage, I see it as the ability to disregard oneself and just do it. (maybe that what
courage is but the terror
comes washing back after the fact) The more you realize that you are going to be
ok another day, it gets easier to handle. It is definitely highly electical.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #281 - on: 10.03.2011 at 23:16 [UT] »At its core, fear is an argument with reality. Mars plays both ends of the spectrum-- first creating theargument, (which results in fear) then in summoning up the courage to deal with it. Basically it creates andresolves the entire dynamic.
Uranus is the sword that cuts through it all. It may seem like courage at first, but perhaps it's really thewillingness to stop arguing and resisting. I'm seeing it more and more in this way. Uranian forces do NOT feelpleasant when there's resistance.
still twitching from the electric shock...
butterflye (formerly Leela)

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #282 - on: 10.03.2011 at 23:36 [UT] »Quote from IRIS70 on 10.03.2011 at 20:50 [UT]:
I have no idea where to go and hide any more.

B tr. JunonA, O,M. All the last ones on my natal N(7th) who's
A, I'll have to change, house, country, planet. There must be a placeThat Full Moon in Virgo... And so many seem to be involved. Trans.
under strain already with trans.
natal. Plus trans.
natal

No

E

Em

for me.
Iris

Only one place to go.... the place of the "no mind". Surrender. Do not initiate action, but be prepared to
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does not mean defeat. It means ACCEPTANCE. Find the humbleness to simply accept. Your ego may kick andscream, but you are not your ego.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #283 - on: 11.03.2011 at 07:44 [UT] »Thank you Dog, especially for your hospitality in this interesting thread. Yeah, I guess there must be something
to surrender, but I'm quite sure the Universe is playng some prank on me. Someone's laughing loud out there.
It's hard to explain, believe me.
Soon afterwards, I'll have trans. O(in 7th) nnatal BOFstellium. Did I hear someone saying bad?
I've better run away with Krista. I know she's resourseful. My type of a company !
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #284 - on: 11.03.2011 at 16:33 [UT] »Quote from ~Leela on 24.01.2011 at 20:22 [UT]:Coming back to the subject of vulnerability, I just saw a quote that I think pertains to it. Uranus deals with opening the mind. And I findthat a mind can't be open without an open heart, and vice versa. So I see Uranus as having an element of courage, perhaps indirectly. I
find some kind of resonance with Aries too, not sure why. After all, it takes courage to be a rebel, courage to be innovative, whether inthought or deed, and it takes courage to be vulnerable.
"The only reason we don't open our hearts
and minds to other people is that they
trigger confusion in us that we don't
feel brave enough or sane enough to deal
with. To the degree that we look clearlyand compassionately at ourselves, we feel
confident and fearless about looking into
someone else's eyes. "~Pema Chödrön

Thanks,Courage is born from fear.
I love eyes

I find Uranus transits invigorating, just me
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #285 - on: 11.03.2011 at 18:02 [UT] »Quote:
Courage is born from fear.

Some more thoughts on this... When witnessing either fear or courage in oneself, there's an opportunity toalso see that both belong to the same dualistic paradigm. Therefore one isn't necessarily "good" and the other"bad", and courage isn't necessarily a "solution" to fear. In dropping the entire paradigm altogether, both fearand courage disappear simultaneously.

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I find Uranus transits invigorating, just me

I've discovered this element as well, of late.
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #286 - on: 11.03.2011 at 21:18 [UT] »Dualism, the paradigm of emotions, however some have to feel these to even know them a Few avoid them,some embrace them, Human beings work toward sainthood, onward upward, always and never really arriving.
that is OK

There are many layers, and many more concepts of courage. It is only defineable to the person who possesses
it. Many may see courage, but it may only be something else.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #287 - on: 12.03.2011 at 18:51 [UT] »Quote from dog8818 on 10.03.2011 at 23:36 [UT]:
Quote from IRIS70 on 10.03.2011 at 20:50 [UT]:
I have no idea where to go and hide any more.
That Full Moon in Virgo... And so many seem to be involved. Trans.

B tr. JunonA, O,M. All the last ones on my natalN(7th) who's under strain already with trans. No natal E. Plus trans. Em natal A, I'll have to change, house, country,
planet. There must be a place for me.
Iris

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your way. You are stronger than you realize, once you know that surrender does not mean defeat. It means

ACCEPTANCE. Find the humbleness to simply accept. Your ego may kick and scream, but you are not your ego.

It is important to remember this, always...
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #288 - on: 13.03.2011 at 15:05 [UT] »Hi Selena and Dog,First of all, thanks for your consideration. Dog, I was too proud to accept it in public, but you are bang on!

I

do have big issues with my E. No wonder I'm receiving a lesson. It's hard to surrender, accept, do what others
want, even if deep down I want it too-however crazy-. I have to do things my way, as nothing else is an option.
I have to learn to be more flexible. My husband keeps telling me that, but I never admit it. Well, with all theseplanets in a in my progressive, plus ai#E , J in 1st, it's quite hard. I ought to change a lot of things. Like
my 'emotional retardedness' as Dog put it.( I have OmBmF in 1st in natal). Dog, you put it right there too, as
if I was talking...
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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #289 - on: 14.03.2011 at 02:52 [UT] »t OmNl29 is the kick in the pants after finishing up its n nO. As soon as O went into a, an overwhelming
exhaustion set in and I cannot get enough sleep. However, the downside is that if I get too much sleep, mybody starts to stiffen up. Today my joints were killing me and I had a stiff neck so severe, it gave me a headache. So I got out in my car, met a friend for coffee, had a triple shot of expresso, and went on a nice Sunday
drive to tour a couple of small towns I like. But the end of the day, my joints were virtually pain free. But I'm
still really sleepy.

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #290 - on: 15.03.2011 at 00:12 [UT] »wow! I love this thread - I am this thread! (1H Oh o 3H ACEk, On 7H Bb yes! all in fixed signs HELLO!

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good insight here! cheers

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Re: Hard aspects from Uranus to personal planets« Reply #291 - on: 15.03.2011 at 02:55 [UT] »Quote from Charlottie on 15.03.2011 at 00:12 [UT]:
wow! I love this thread - I am this thread! (1H

Oh o 3H ACEk, On 7H Bb yes! all in fixed signs - HELLO!

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good insight here! cheers

Well, Charlottie, based on those configs, you may just have to be the mascot of this thread.
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