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Icyfrost
Ex MemberWill Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« on: 21.05.2010 at 07:37 [UT+1] »Trying to determine my romantic life with astrology is a real pain as a h asc with b on my desc and nothaving any planet to reference by. Are there any speculations out there as to what these signs may be ruled by?
Are their planets really missing? Could they possibly be ruled by some of the Asteroids out there? I was justwondering if anyone has ever speculated on this before.
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Stormlaughter

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Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #1 - on: 21.05.2010 at 07:56 [UT+1] »b is ruled by Venus and h is Scorpio rather than Virgo which is f.
Scorpio is ruled traditionally by Mars and in modern day by Pluto. Virgo is ruled by Mercury.
If you are b/h Asc/Desc like I am, then your chart is ruled by Venus. Find the house where Venus is locatedon your chart and that'll open a whole 'nother world of fun!
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Gender:Edit: You said you were h/b Asc/Desc, opposite of mine. That would mean Pluto and Mars are your chartruling planets.
OOOPS.
But, do the same thing, find where Pluto and Mars are located, and you'll have a better handle to start with.

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Icyfrost
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Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #2 - on: 21.05.2010 at 08:07 [UT+1] »I see. I thought I had read that these planets were considered temporary rulers of these signs. As if it was
expected that at some point we may find other planets/objects associated with them. Are their influences
weaker in these signs?
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Stormlaughter

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Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #3 - on: 21.05.2010 at 08:22 [UT+1] »The way I understand it (and have found it to be so in my chart), the House associated with the chart-rulingplanet (or Houses, in the case of signs with more than one associated planet) gets a bit more weight comparedto empty Houses or Houses with planets other than the chart ruler.
I'm reading about asteroids being associated with signs now - Vesta with Virgo along with Mercury for example,
according to a book I have by Demetra George and Douglas Bloc.
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EyesisEx Member

Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #4 - on: 21.05.2010 at 10:08 [UT+1] »The problem with asteroids is that their qualities can be explained by the planets.
Virgo Taurus Gemini and Libra are the only signs that do not have their individual rulerships.
Marion actually this person is dead on with their thoughts though.
Think about it. Virgo expresses its self more like an Air sign than Earth. Libra does not express its self as Airy as
implied due to Venus.
Aries Mars sub ruled by Pluto
Taurus* Venus
Gemini* Mercury
Cancer Moon
Leo SunVirgo* Mercury
Libra* Venus
Scorpio Pluto sub ruled by Mars
Sagittarius Jupiter sub ruled by Neptune
Capricorn Saturn
Aquarius Uranus
Pisces Neptune sub ruled by Jupiter.
Aha maybe Traditional Astrologers are a bit off base. Four signs have two rulers.
Virgo has no Exaltation according to some Astrologers. More of the same judgementality?
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Pistacia

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Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #5 - on: 21.05.2010 at 14:31 [UT+1] »Quote from Eyesis on 21.05.2010 at 10:08 [UT+1]:
The problem with asteroids is that their qualities can be explained by the planets.
Virgo Taurus Gemini and Libra are the only signs that do not have their individual rulerships.
Marion actually this person is dead on with their thoughts though.
Think about it. Virgo expresses its self more like an Air sign than Earth. Libra does not express its self as Airy as implied due to Venus.

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Gender:Aries Mars sub ruled by Pluto
Taurus* Venus
Gemini* Mercury
Cancer Moon
Leo SunVirgo* Mercury
Libra* Venus
Scorpio Pluto sub ruled by Mars
Sagittarius Jupiter sub ruled by Neptune
Capricorn Saturn
Aquarius Uranus
Pisces Neptune sub ruled by Jupiter.
Aha maybe Traditional Astrologers are a bit off base. Four signs have two rulers.
Virgo has no Exaltation according to some Astrologers. More of the same judgementality?

Agree with Eyesis that planets can explain the rulerships.
I once read that Ceres would be co-ruler of Virgo which was interesting.
I know Ceres is connected with agriculture, food and nurturing similar way like the Moon does (nurturing,feeding)but i feel Mercury does fit to Virgo as well but i also feel there is something lacking, perhaps it could have a coruler too but am not sure which. Perhaps the Moon then?
Taurus i also see as very Venusian..thinking of the venusian patience.
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Virgo Dei
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« Reply #6 - on: 21.05.2010 at 18:49 [UT+1] »Well, I don't think it's silly to debate the rulerships of these two signs as very credited astrologers, such as
Robert Hand, have devoted substantial time and effort into doing just that. If you haven't read Robert Hand's
Horoscope Symbols, you're missing out!
Everyone has Taurus or Virgo somewhere in their charts-- and, if you ever get around to looking at thedispositors, ie. the Ruler of th 8th in the 9th, etc it can get messy when it comes to using Mercury and Venus
twice, if you ask me.
I'm a b A and, while I wouldn't disagree that D is a co-ruler of b, I really think the Earth is the True Ruler ofthe sign. D seems neither Earth nor Air to me actually--- more like Water, if assigned any element at all--- andPosts: 4677

isn't D exhalted in l? As for f, yes, it does seem more Air-like than the other Earth signs but, it is still mostdefinately an Earth sign!!! I think C is less of a good fit for f than D for b. I like the idea of Ceres
associated with f and have also heard N being associated with f-- which I can see as co-ruler also-- but, notthe main one.
I don't know--- it took us thousands of years to discover O, I, J so, I suppose we should be patient fordiscovering f rulership (as I'm pretty convinced the Earth belongs to b.)
ETA: I read something interesting recently in Demetra George’s Asteroid Goddess book about the sign of Libra.
I had NEVER heard this ANYwhere else so, I don’t know what to make of it; however, she says that for
hundreds of years the sign of Libra didn’t exist. There was Virgo and then there was Scorpio but, no Libra.
She said Libra was created – I want to say she said by the Greeks? To find the balance between the Madonna
and the Whore so-to-speak. I hope I am remembering this right? Someone correct me if I’m wrong! I want to
say I was reading about this in either the Vesta chapter or the Juno chapter—I want to say Juno—because I
think it was talking about the marriage archetype and Juno, etc. I want to also say that she said Ceres was
associated more with Taurus, Vesta with Virgo, and Juno with Libra. It could have also been the Vesta chapter
because she was talking about the Vestal Virgins—and how they played the role of both the chaste spiritualpriestess type woman; however, at certain times of the year, they performed tantric/spiritual ritualistic sex acts.
Libra was somehow supposed to be a compromise between these two roles? I’m not sure the Feminine got
the better end of the compromise though.

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EyesisEx Member

Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #7 - on: 21.05.2010 at 20:03 [UT+1] »Quote from Celes on 21.05.2010 at 14:31 [UT+1]:
Quote from Eyesis on 21.05.2010 at 10:08 [UT+1]:
The problem with asteroids is that their qualities can be explained by the planets.
Virgo Taurus Gemini and Libra are the only signs that do not have their individual rulerships.
Marion actually this person is dead on with their thoughts though.
Think about it. Virgo expresses its self more like an Air sign than Earth. Libra does not express its self as Airy as implied
due to Venus.
Aries Mars sub ruled by Pluto
Taurus* Venus
Gemini* Mercury
Cancer Moon
Leo SunVirgo* Mercury
Libra* Venus
Scorpio Pluto sub ruled by Mars
Sagittarius Jupiter sub ruled by Neptune
Capricorn Saturn
Aquarius Uranus
Pisces Neptune sub ruled by Jupiter.
Aha maybe Traditional Astrologers are a bit off base. Four signs have two rulers.
Virgo has no Exaltation according to some Astrologers. More of the same judgementality?

Agree with Eyesis that planets can explain the rulerships.
I once read that Ceres would be co-ruler of Virgo which was interesting.
I know Ceres is connected with agriculture, food and nurturing similar way like the Moon does (nurturing, feeding)but i feel Mercury does fit to Virgo as well but i also feel there is something lacking, perhaps it could have a co-ruler too but am not surewhich. Perhaps the Moon then?
Taurus i also see as very Venusian..thinking of the venusian patience.

A long time ago someone associated Pluto with Virgo. Marc Jones???
They have since recanted and fell into Traditionalism.
I would like to see some more evidence of the asteroids and Chiron in practical astrology before putting any
more credence to them.
I am having a hard time sussing the conflicts of information.
Symbolically Chiron is being associated with Sagittarius by most Astrologers, giving that sign three rulerships.
This in its self is causing me to question the "Authority" of the professional Astrologers.
Is this an indicator of Bias and Prejudice within the Astrological community?
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« Reply #8 - on: 21.05.2010 at 20:55 [UT+1] »Juliet that was fascinating!

never read about that as well!
Interesting about Virgo with Vesta, Taurus with Ceres and Libra with Juno. More below.
Eyesis, Pluto and Virgo

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Gender:Reading Juliets post where she wrote what she read about Libra was "put" in between Virgo and Scorpio,
so it would make a sign ruled by Mercury followed by sign ruled by Pluto and the middle is the blending iguess?
Though i don't see that Pluto in Libra...surely g has much magnetism but i'd give it to Venus.
I find all this very interesting though. Not shutting anything out completely
Agree about more info on these rulerships with studying and giving examples would be nice as wellby those astrologers who consider co-rulers or even re-rulers.

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taurussunleorising1

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« Reply #9 - on: 21.05.2010 at 22:46 [UT+1] »Hey,Taurus and Virgo aren't the homeless(well Virgo maybe) of the zodiac. We are kind enough to let libra on
venus till they decide which planet is their ruler

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EyesisEx Member

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« Reply #10 - on: 21.05.2010 at 23:39 [UT+1] »I don't see Pluto/Libra at all. Pluto likes to break things down until it is molecularly unrecognizable.
Pluto takes things down to the Primordial level so Complete Reconstruction can take place.
Virgo also breaks things down to their smallest components.
Yes I can see Venus in between the two signs.
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taurussunleorising1

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« Reply #11 - on: 22.05.2010 at 00:33 [UT+1] »Maybe libra is not ruled by venus because it cant form a trine with mercury

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MercurySextileUranus
Ex Member« Reply #12 - on: 22.05.2010 at 00:48 [UT+1] »Quote from taurussunleorising1 on 22.05.2010 at 00:33 [UT+1]:
Maybe libra is not ruled by venus because it cant form a trine with mercury

Well, of course not. A sign can't form a trine (or any other aspect for that matter) with a planet. However, Libra
is naturally trine c, which is ruled by Mercury.
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taurussunleorising1

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« Reply #13 - on: 22.05.2010 at 00:52 [UT+1] »i mean planet venus cant form a trine with planet mercury

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Mars_second
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Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #14 - on: 22.05.2010 at 01:30 [UT+1] »Isn't Libra a heady cardinal mix of venus (symmetry) and saturn (justice) ?
Anyways, if this is going to degenerate into another epic virgo rulership thread then can we have reference tothe old one pls?

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Keebler

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« Reply #15 - on: 22.05.2010 at 02:12 [UT+1] »What about ceres for virgo?? Seems like a good fit to me.

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ScorpSunGemMoonJup
Ex Member« Reply #16 - on: 22.05.2010 at 14:22 [UT+1] »How about this theory?
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/fwa/rulers.html
I think that by Earth as ruler of g he means the Ascendant.
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Sensoar

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Member« Reply #17 - on: 22.05.2010 at 22:30 [UT+1] »Hello People,
Please understand that Venus the planet of harmony is naturally ruled by a duality of ying and yang. Taurus a
feminine sign, and Libra more masculine. Even the ancients knew that the planet of Love was ruled by a duality
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of Apollo and Aphrodite.
Mercury, on the other hand is all Gemini. Virgo with its feminine wiles seems more sensitive to the asteroid
Sedna. I always rather thought that Virgo would be exalted in Pluto. These topics will be debated for centuries
until time itself irons out the wrinkles of astrological philosophy.
Sensoar

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MercurySextileUranus
Ex Member« Reply #18 - on: 22.05.2010 at 23:30 [UT+1] »Quote from Sensoar on 22.05.2010 at 22:30 [UT+1]:
Hello People,
Please understand that Venus the planet of harmony is naturally ruled by a duality of ying and yang. Taurus a feminine sign, and Libra
more masculine. Even the ancients knew that the planet of Love was ruled by a duality of Apollo and Aphrodite.
Mercury, on the other hand is all Gemini. Virgo with its feminine wiles seems more sensitive to the asteroid Sedna. I always rather
thought that Virgo would be exalted in Pluto. These topics will be debated for centuries until time itself irons out the wrinkles ofastrological philosophy.
Sensoar

You have the planet & sign mixed around. A sign can't be exalted in a planet. And Mercury is a detail oriented
planet, Virgo is a detail oriented sign, so it only makes sense for Mercury to rule both Gemini & Virgo.
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Keebler

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« Reply #19 - on: 23.05.2010 at 02:54 [UT+1] »I still think ceres is a good fit for f
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Ceres21.1.html
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Waybread
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« Reply #20 - on: 23.05.2010 at 04:28 [UT+1] »Juliet, in ancient times Libra was seen as part of Scorpio, the "claws" of the Scorpion. It took a while for our 12
constellation name-sakes to settle down during the Greek period. Ophiuchus, for example, does pass throughthe ecliptic and Aries scarcely touches it; so our 12 signs are a matter of cultural conditioning.
Icyfrost, I am not sure what is your question. If you have Taurus on your DC, your 7th house ruler is Venus. If
you look to your Venus location by house, sign, and its aspects, that will tell you a lot. You can do this for any
house in your horoscope if you want to learn about its affairs. Regardless of whether a house is "tenanted" byplanets or not, determine the planet that rules the sign on the house cusp, and then look for that "accidental"
ruler by house and aspects. For example, a house with Virgo on the cusp is ruled by Mercury. One quote I likeby Dutch astrologer Karen Hamaker-Zondag is that "the house over which a planet rules serves the purposes ofPosts: 14740
Gender:the house in which that planet stands."
I think there is a potential rulership of Virgo by Ceres. Over a year ago I tried to make a case for it and justabout got skinned alive by posters who disagreed. Part of the trouble was, it takes a lot of work with charts tomake this recommendation, because it has to work for horary & predictive astrology, too. Mere affinities
between signs and planetoids don't cut it.

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Keebler

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« Reply #21 - on: 23.05.2010 at 04:38 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 23.05.2010 at 04:28 [UT+1]:
Juliet, in ancient times Libra was seen as part of Scorpio, the "claws" of the Scorpion. It took a while for our 12 constellation name-sakes
to settle down during the Greek period. Ophiuchus, for example, does pass through the ecliptic and Aries scarcely touches it; so our 12
signs are a matter of cultural conditioning.
Icyfrost, I am not sure what is your question. If you have Taurus on your DC, your 7th house ruler is Venus. If you look to your Venus
location by house, sign, and its aspects, that will tell you a lot. You can do this for any house in your horoscope if you want to learn about
its affairs. Regardless of whether a house is "tenanted" by planets or not, determine the planet that rules the sign on the house cusp, andthen look for that "accidental" ruler by house and aspects. For example, a house with Virgo on the cusp is ruled by Mercury. One quote I
like by Dutch astrologer Karen Hamaker-Zondag is that "the house over which a planet rules serves the purposes of the house in whichthat planet stands."
I think there is a potential rulership of Virgo by Ceres. Over a year ago I tried to make a case for it and just about got skinned alive by
posters who disagreed. Part of the trouble was, it takes a lot of work with charts to make this recommendation, because it has to work forhorary & predictive astrology, too. Mere affinities between signs and planetoids don't cut it.

Ceres is only a smidgen smaller then pluto, and eris is bigger then pluto, I think they just need to not fearchange.
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Icyfrost

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Ex Member« Reply #22 - on: 23.05.2010 at 07:21 [UT+1] »Quote from Waybread on 23.05.2010 at 04:28 [UT+1]:
Juliet, in ancient times Libra was seen as part of Scorpio, the "claws" of the Scorpion. It took a while for our 12 constellation name-sakes
to settle down during the Greek period. Ophiuchus, for example, does pass through the ecliptic and Aries scarcely touches it; so our 12
signs are a matter of cultural conditioning.
Icyfrost, I am not sure what is your question. If you have Taurus on your DC, your 7th house ruler is Venus. If you look to your Venus
location by house, sign, and its aspects, that will tell you a lot. You can do this for any house in your horoscope if you want to learn about
its affairs. Regardless of whether a house is "tenanted" by planets or not, determine the planet that rules the sign on the house cusp, andthen look for that "accidental" ruler by house and aspects. For example, a house with Virgo on the cusp is ruled by Mercury. One quote I
like by Dutch astrologer Karen Hamaker-Zondag is that "the house over which a planet rules serves the purposes of the house in whichthat planet stands."
I think there is a potential rulership of Virgo by Ceres. Over a year ago I tried to make a case for it and just about got skinned alive by
posters who disagreed. Part of the trouble was, it takes a lot of work with charts to make this recommendation, because it has to work forhorary & predictive astrology, too. Mere affinities between signs and planetoids don't cut it.

I was just always under the impression that Venus was a temporary ruler of Taurus and Mercury for Virgo. Likeat some point it was expected the true planets that ruled those signs would be found. Don't ask me how I got
that impression because I really don't know. I have been out of astrology for many years and just now gettingback into it again. My memory is a little hazy on a lot of things still.
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Stormlaughter

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Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #23 - on: 23.05.2010 at 11:54 [UT+1] »Quote from Icyfrost on 23.05.2010 at 07:21 [UT+1]:
Quote from Waybread on 23.05.2010 at 04:28 [UT+1]:
Juliet, in ancient times Libra was seen as part of Scorpio, the "claws" of the Scorpion. It took a while for our 12
constellation name-sakes to settle down during the Greek period. Ophiuchus, for example, does pass through the ecliptic
and Aries scarcely touches it; so our 12 signs are a matter of cultural conditioning.
Icyfrost, I am not sure what is your question. If you have Taurus on your DC, your 7th house ruler is Venus. If you look to

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Gender:your Venus location by house, sign, and its aspects, that will tell you a lot. You can do this for any house in your horoscope
if you want to learn about its affairs. Regardless of whether a house is "tenanted" by planets or not, determine the planetthat rules the sign on the house cusp, and then look for that "accidental" ruler by house and aspects. For example, a housewith Virgo on the cusp is ruled by Mercury. One quote I like by Dutch astrologer Karen Hamaker-Zondag is that "the houseover which a planet rules serves the purposes of the house in which that planet stands."
I think there is a potential rulership of Virgo by Ceres. Over a year ago I tried to make a case for it and just about got
skinned alive by posters who disagreed. Part of the trouble was, it takes a lot of work with charts to make thisrecommendation, because it has to work for horary & predictive astrology, too. Mere affinities between signs andplanetoids don't cut it.

I was just always under the impression that Venus was a temporary ruler of Taurus and Mercury for Virgo. Like at some point it was
expected the true planets that ruled those signs would be found. Don't ask me how I got that impression because I really don't know. I
have been out of astrology for many years and just now getting back into it again. My memory is a little hazy on a lot of things still.

It's ok, hon. It's not you.
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EyesisEx Member

Re: Will Taurus and Virgo ever get a planet?
« Reply #24 - on: 23.05.2010 at 12:06 [UT+1] »Quote from solar_third on 22.05.2010 at 01:30 [UT+1]:
Isn't Libra a heady cardinal mix of venus (symmetry) and saturn (justice) ?
Anyways, if this is going to degenerate into another epic virgo rulership thread then can we have reference to the old one pls?

The thread is about Taurus Virgo rulerships.

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