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trixietrack
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« on: 26.10.2007 at 20:35 [UT+1] »Can someone explain what the meaning or significance of a kite in a chart?

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Ed Falis

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« Reply #1 - on: 26.10.2007 at 20:43 [UT+1] »This is a very informal impression of the thing.
You've got a grand trine in the kite - it gives that easy, sometimes lazy, flow of energy and cooperation among
the three planets involved. Now you toss in a planet in opposition to one end - it kind of gives the grand trine
a bit of a "goosing up". Makes it more active and more inclined towards making itself useful. The stimulus is
the planet that moved it from a grand trine to a kite, and whatever awareness is implicit in the opposition it
participates in.
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mountain
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« Reply #2 - on: 26.10.2007 at 20:51 [UT+1] »Just to build onto Ed's analysis...some astrologers feel that the planet at the apex of the kite, by sign andhouse, will show some particular destiny for the individual.
Stands to reason, w/ a planet at the end of an opposition (effort, struggle) flanked by two sextiles (energy,
excitement.) The other planetary positions in the kite should indicate how this destiny may be realized. I don't
think this means the person will necessarily be famous, however.
Best wishes, mountain
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trixietrack

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« Reply #3 - on: 26.10.2007 at 21:39 [UT+1] »Thank you both very much for your explanations.

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marienne
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« Reply #4 - on: 27.10.2007 at 03:06 [UT+1] »I am curious about this "kite" in my chart. I suspect it's not a real kite since the grand trine is between Dl,

Ih, and Be. The opposition to D is either J f or Og.
Anyway, anyone have any thoughts about formations by aspect and not sign?
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« Reply #5 - on: 27.10.2007 at 03:13 [UT+1] »just curious, I have heard the word apex often used frequently for kite description, so where is the "apex" inmarienne's chart? Chiron or Neptune? I've always confused cuz it's so symmetrical.

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« Reply #6 - on: 27.10.2007 at 03:23 [UT+1] »Venus in my book; Vem Ch if you use the latter.

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Belle77

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« Reply #7 - on: 27.10.2007 at 03:42 [UT+1] »I have never heard apex used in kites have heard it in tsquares and yods. For the chart above i think the
opposition planet is Uranus.
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In general, a Kite is an aspect configuration that starts with a triangular aspect figure (e.g., usually a Grand Trine or Yod). A fourth planet
makes an opposition to one of these planets, forming a symmetrical figure. The opposition forms the "spine" of the kite.
The fourth planet can act as a grounding principle, kind of like a lightning rod channels lightning energy into the ground. The opposition
aspect often brings conflict, polarization, disagreement and stress, although it is also dynamic and motivating. It is a challenge to betriumphed; a problem to be solved; a disagreement to be negotiated.

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Gender:Some astrologers believe that the conflict of the opposition planets must be resolved and mastered before it is possible to gain positiveand productive access to the energy of the triangle figure (Grand Trine, Yod, etc.).
In the case of the Grand Trine Kite, some astrologers feel that the ease and harmony of the Grand Trine can also be a resource available
to help us deal with the conflict of the opposition, providing a positive outlook, natural ability and an unobstructed flow of energy.
In the case of the Yod Kite, the Yod already contains stressful, irritating or frustrating energy. The opposition may provide a clear focal
point amid the confusion. Although perhaps a mixed blessing, this can become a grounding reference point around which the necessary
adjustments can be made.

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« Reply #8 - on: 27.10.2007 at 14:09 [UT+1] »I have found The Kite, or as I call it The Diamond, is most beneficial to find in any chart. I always am happy
to find it there. The way you can determine how beneficial and strong in energy it is awaits you in the
Persona Charts of My Astro function on this site. Think to yourself which planet in your chart is the mostpowerful in your life, and then go to Persona Charts where the Sun first connects with that planet in your firstyear of life, "fecundating" its atomic energy into that planet and "awakening" it to full use in your life, apowerful "second birth" of that one planet in your chart.
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Gender:This is my Pluto Persona. What helps in any Kite formation in a secondary chart is to connect the degrees of it

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astro_2gw_1115_spirals_pluto_persona.47101.14231.gif(attachment deleted)to your chart. In this chart, my Venus at birth is 9:45 Taurus, my Mars at birth (conjunct Pluto) is 27 Cancer,
and the date of 27th of July correlates to this, also:

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« Reply #9 - on: 27.10.2007 at 14:12 [UT+1] »Quote from Belle77 on 27.10.2007 at 03:42 [UT+1]:
I have never heard apex used in kites have heard it in tsquares and yods. For the chart above i think the opposition planet is Uranus....

Nice catch! I missed that there were two oppositions forming two kite configurations here. I also have notheard "apex" used in this context, but the principle is similar enough that the term can be used loosely here, I
think.
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« Reply #10 - on: 27.10.2007 at 14:16 [UT+1] »The Kite may also be thought of as a Knight's Shield to hold before you as you fight the challenges of life andto protect you against the "evil" (weaknesses) of others.

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« Reply #11 - on: 27.10.2007 at 20:38 [UT+1] »Pallas, Jupiter, East Point and Mars: is this a kite?

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« Reply #12 - on: 27.10.2007 at 21:06 [UT+1] »That is also a valuable shape in a chart.

That is "an open letter to the world"; you have teachings to share orvaluable messages or some talent to share and give out to others.
My Uranus Persona the year of my birth has this shape,

Uranus being the cutting planet to my Gemini stellium

in my birth chart, an energy I was always aware of in my teaching:

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« Reply #13 - on: 27.10.2007 at 22:04 [UT+1] »[quote author=Ed Falis link=1193427303/0#9 date=1193490762]Quote from Belle77 on 27.10.2007 at
03:42 [UT+1]:
I have never heard apex used in kites have heard it in tsquares and yods. For the chart above i think the opposition planet is Uranus....

Nice catch! I missed that there were two oppositions forming two kite configurations here. I also have notheard "apex" used in this context, but the principle is similar enough that the term can be used loosely here, I
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where as in a kite/grand trine its a easier energy flow and does not require action of any sort to keep theenergy flowing.

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« Reply #14 - on: 27.10.2007 at 22:17 [UT+1] »Quote from mountain on 26.10.2007 at 20:51 [UT+1]:
Just to build onto Ed's analysis...some astrologers feel that the planet at the apex of the kite, by sign and house, will show someparticular destiny for the individual.
Stands to reason, w/ a planet at the end of an opposition (effort, struggle) flanked by two sextiles (energy, excitement.) The otherplanetary positions in the kite should indicate how this destiny may be realized. I don't think this means the person will necessarily be
famous, however.
Best wishes, mountain

That's why I asked. Mountain wasn't the first person to use this term either, I have came across it multiple
times whenever I googled on this topic. Apex by definition is the tip. So it can be used in anyway you see fit.
Alrighty, so in a T-Square which planet is the apex then, the one at right angle?
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Belle77

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« Reply #15 - on: 27.10.2007 at 22:35 [UT+1] »Quote from Wonder Fish on 27.10.2007 at 22:17 [UT+1]:
Quote from mountain on 26.10.2007 at 20:51 [UT+1]:
Just to build onto Ed's analysis...some astrologers feel that the planet at the apex of the kite, by sign and house,
will show some particular destiny for the individual.
Stands to reason, w/ a planet at the end of an opposition (effort, struggle) flanked by two sextiles (energy, excitement.)
The other planetary positions in the kite should indicate how this destiny may be realized. I don't think this means the
person will necessarily be famous, however.

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That's why I asked. Mountain wasn't the first person to use this term either, I have came across it multiple times whenever I googled on
this topic. Apex by definition is the tip. So it can be used in anyway you see fit. Alrighty, so in a T-Square which planet is the apex then,the one at right angle?

the planet receiving the two squares, the remaining two planets will be in opposition.
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mountain
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« Reply #16 - on: 27.10.2007 at 23:32 [UT+1] »Marienne, yes you do have a kite. The orbs are a bit wide, but I'd go with it--and a FmO apex or top of the
kite. (Jheez, now I'm starting to confuddle the top & the tail--but I am pretty sure the top is the point flanked
by the sextiles. Ed??) I would look to you, Marienne for some very innovative ideas!
Can't think of where I first read this. Possibly Bil Tierney--I think his book is _Dynamics of Aspect Analysis_.
Best wishes, mountain
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marienne

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« Reply #17 - on: 28.10.2007 at 00:23 [UT+1] »Thanks mountain,
I'm starting to appreciate how significant O is in my chart. I've looked at my chart for years and it always
reveals something new.
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sharasa
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« Reply #18 - on: 28.10.2007 at 00:49 [UT+1] »I have a kite and have spent quite a bit of time trying to understand it. Anything I have found says that theplanet in the grand trine that is being opposed becomes the focal point for the grand trine. The planet in
opposition acts like an anchor or reference point allowing the focal planet to see a clear direction or purpose
and the sextiles to the opposing planet from the other two planets in the grand trine assist in activating thechannel created by the opposition.
In my case Venus in the 6th is the focal point, Uranus in the 12th provides the opposition. The Moon and
Jupiter trine Venus and sextile Uranus. I think it has something to do with being willing to bring what is hidden
out so that it is no longer a dark secret that you think no one else has experienced. Or in other words I show I
care by exposing my secrets/insecurities that I know are universal so that others can know they aren't alone in
how they feel. Unfortunately Venus and Uranus are also part of a grand cross so things get a little muddled
sometimes.
I'm still working on understanding how they all fit together.

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« Reply #19 - on: 28.10.2007 at 11:05 [UT] »Yes, Sharasa, you express it very well. The flow of the Kite or Diamond sounds very workable in the way you
are expressing it. One aspect contributing to the next and balancing it.
The Kite is the Diamond to me because it has sharp edges that can cut glass.
The university lectures and writings of C.S. Lewis in England, author of "The Lion, The Witch, And theWardrobe" for children, had a reoccuring theme of our Diamond within which he saw as the Shining Soul,
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also mentions this in the Sabian for 9 Cancer.
pressure upon it from forces without.

There would be no Diamond within if there were not the painful

The compromises, the aggressive wounds, the chipping away to get at the center. To see the Truth within.
Rudhyar says for 9 Cancer: .... "It would no doubt be a painful operation for the rough stone, but the goal isworth the suffering, the heat, the grinding noise."
When I see a Kite shape in a chart, I think to myself,"The Diamond Within is ready to be brought to thesurface and shined for all to see."
Sharasa, this is similar to your quote for your Kite Chart, " I think it has something to do with being willing tobring what is hidden out so that it is no longer a dark secret that you think no one else has experienced. Or inother words I show I care by exposing my secrets/insecurities that I know are universal so that others can know
they aren't alone in how they feel. " Perhaps your Venus and Uranus being part of your Grand Cross helps togive you emotional distance and objectivity, similar to Venus in Aquarius, that is necessary in this life in orderfor you to be able to accomplish what you feel is helpful for others ?
Sometimes these hard angles within the Kite can be seen as a red Knight's Cross upon a Shield, willing tosacrifice for what you believe in, as seen in my Pluto Persona chart above.
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sharasa
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« Reply #20 - on: 28.10.2007 at 21:04 [UT] »I always enjoy how you explain things Spiral.
Actually my venus is in Aquarius. I was just trying to explain a kite as I experience it for the benefit ofthose who are trying to understand it in their own charts.
I think patterns can be difficult because there are so many ways the meanings can combine and only the chart
owner can really know how it manifests. As well the energy as a whole is so engrained in the personality thatit's hard to separate it from everything else. At least that is what I've found in trying to make sense of my own
chart. Much of the Grand Cross and Kite is an automatic response that I don't "see" because it's always there
and touches so many areas at once.
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marienne

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« Reply #21 - on: 28.10.2007 at 23:38 [UT] »Sharasa,Thanks for your explanation. I am going to read it a couple of times and then look closer at my chart to see
how this energy expresses itself for me. It's a weak kite though.
I have a feeling that my grand trine has made my emotional life/experience so easy that I've always assumed
that everyone had this ability and so never thought twice about it. Now with Jo my natal D I am reflecting
more and have some difficult issues to try to work through. This may help to get the energy of the trine to
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« Reply #22 - on: 29.10.2007 at 00:18 [UT] »I don't have much experience reading charts Marienne so I have to confess I read your other postings andnoticed writing ability had been mentioned. Do you think your gift in the kite might be to write about family
issues,what you have found to work- for it to become your profession with chiron conjunct venus as the focal
point in the 10th. The moon -feelings in the 2nd house of values and neptune - imagination in the 6th house ofservice/work. Bringing what you do instinctively to a greater audience? I also noticed Mercury - communicationsin the 8th is also connected to the kite creating the rectangle pattern.
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« Reply #23 - on: 29.10.2007 at 06:47 [UT] »Thanks Sharasa, I'm going to consider this. I didn't think about the other aspects outside of the kite thatconnect to planets within it. I like your ideas.
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« Reply #24 - on: 29.10.2007 at 21:03 [UT] »Quote from mountain on 26.10.2007 at 20:51 [UT+1]:
Just to build onto Ed's analysis...some astrologers feel that the planet at the apex of the kite, by sign and house, will show someparticular destiny for the individual.
Stands to reason, w/ a planet at the end of an opposition (effort, struggle) flanked by two sextiles (energy, excitement.) The otherplanetary positions in the kite should indicate how this destiny may be realized.

What sort of destiny and means of realising it would my kite be pointing to? (its probably more helpful for me
to post it than to describe it - Sorry I haven't figured out how to shrink these charts yet. Is it a true kite if mymoon is in Taurus and not Aries?
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« Reply #25 - on: 29.10.2007 at 21:22 [UT] »That's a great one, Doh-Ray, and it has a top or cap on the top, inverted.
right, as it is within orb.

The opposition out of sign is all

The effect of a perfect Kite like this is striking, so contained and in symmetry.

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« Reply #26 - on: 29.10.2007 at 21:36 [UT] »Right, but it's a somewhat "out of the mainstream" definition of a grand trine. Doesn't mean it isn't right, but:
1. the common definition uses only planets
2. the common definition does not require all planets in the same element (though that probably makes more
sense)
Just a bit of perspective.
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« Reply #27 - on: 29.10.2007 at 22:23 [UT] »I thought they did need to be in the same element in a Grand trine. In the kite the opposition planet will bein a different element but of the same polarity.
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/AspectPatterns.html
I think, in some cases anyway, having one planet out of element may actually be helpful because it can give
focus or grounding or even initiative. So even though it may not quite fit the definition it still carries it's shareof benefits.
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« Reply #28 - on: 29.10.2007 at 23:59 [UT] »We aren't the kind of people who stick to traditional formulas, I hope., at the expense of our own
observations !
Have to be in certain ..... to be..... a Kite?
No thank you. It is a beautiful Kite, and his
own Diamond to work with.
Ed, I will take "out of the mainstream" definition every day as opposed to strict rules just because somebody
says it has to be that way.
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Let it be if it works for him.

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« Reply #29 - on: 30.10.2007 at 12:36 [UT] »So guys, what does my Star Destroyer Kite mean for me?

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« Reply #30 - on: 30.10.2007 at 13:10 [UT] »The reason I reacted the way I did was the authoritativeness of the statement that the planets had to be inelement because the such and so school of astrology says so.
My bad. And I apologize to the poster for being rude.
In fact, they could be right. Kevin Burke does a pretty nice job with a rationale for why the grand trine andother patterns should be in-element at
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/ASKKEVIN/980106.html and on the page of his site where hedescribes the pattern (that's the one sharasa posted above).
As an aside, we received a copy of Burke's intro book yesterday, and it's one of the best intro astrology books
I've run into. The reason I like it is that he talks about the _why_ of material he presents.
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« Reply #31 - on: 30.10.2007 at 14:15 [UT] »here's a quote from the site Ed just linked to:"The main difference between a Kite and a Grand Trine is that an individual with a Kite may be aware that they
could be doing more with their talents, while an individual with a Grand Trine generally lacks that perspective
and awareness. The awareness provided by the Opposition, however, does not guarantee any action."
I feel oh-so Libran, and not at all Aries'y, except tin the common ground between opposites sense. Perhaps I
need to learn Aries-esque lessons (being a bit bolder, more assertive, less thoroughness, more lively, more
reckless, getting things finished & sooner etc.), with my sun Libra/Virgo rising, but the negative aspects ofAries, - their potential flaws (haste, not consulting others, aggression, etc.) are not my thing. Its morepalettable to me when looking at sun cancer cheeky daring. I definitely fall into the category of knowing I
should be doing more with my talents. Virgo Venus helps with care, meticulousness and standards, but I'malso bad at finishing things through being too thorough. I procrastinate a lot and do better when I've got
someone to go with, giving me a push where I might not go and do something on my own. For instance,
catching a train to see an exhibition in London, or driving out to go sketching somewhere. Having a Pisces
mum is another e.g of (lazy?!) Libra getting a push...."Don't forget you have to get that application form in thepost before last post today, or it'll be too late." Ideas flow and there's never a writer's block problem. Whereverwork is a game I can play at it for hours - so air! What is a problem is the way I'm typing on the computerabout action right now, instead of actually getting out some art equipment and getting painting . Or that I
have loads of old things I never really finished Ga. (fear of failure? You can't fail what you didn't finish andtherefore couldn't show others).
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« Reply #32 - on: 30.10.2007 at 18:16 [UT] »Quote from Doh-Ray-Me on 30.10.2007 at 14:15 [UT]:
here's a quote from the site Ed just linked to:"The main difference between a Kite and a Grand Trine is that an individual with a Kite may be aware that they could be doing more with
their talents, while an individual with a Grand Trine generally lacks that perspective and awareness. The awareness provided by the
Opposition, however, does not guarantee any action."
I feel oh-so Libran, and not at all Aries'y, except tin the common ground between opposites sense. Perhaps I need to learn Aries-esquelessons (being a bit bolder, more assertive, less thoroughness, more lively, more reckless, getting things finished & sooner etc.), with myPosts: 1026
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more with my talents. Virgo Venus helps with care, meticulousness and standards, but I'm also bad at finishing things through being too
thorough. I procrastinate a lot and do better when I've got someone to go with, giving me a push where I might not go and do something
on my own. For instance, catching a train to see an exhibition in London, or driving out to go sketching somewhere. Having a Pisces mum
is another e.g of (lazy?!) Libra getting a push...."Don't forget you have to get that application form in the post before last post today, or
it'll be too late." Ideas flow and there's never a writer's block problem. Wherever work is a game I can play at it for hours - so air! Whatis a problem is the way I'm typing on the computer about action right now, instead of actually getting out some art equipment and getting

Ga. (fear of failure? You can't failpainting . Or that I have loads of old things I never really finishedwhat you didn't finish and therefore couldn't show others).

I have two kites one air and one fire and yes i dont finish projects. You really hit home by saying if you dont
finish it you dont fail. On the bright side i dont lie to people about my lack of ability to finish on thier timeschedule. My last boss is probably very glad i was reassigned to a different supervisor.
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« Reply #33 - on: 31.10.2007 at 11:31 [UT] »Quote from Belle77 on 30.10.2007 at 18:16 [UT]:
Quote from Doh-Ray-Me on 30.10.2007 at 14:15 [UT]:(fear of failure? You can't fail what you didn't finish and therefore couldn't show others). [/highlight]

I have two kites one air and one fire and yes i dont finish projects. You really hit home by saying if you dont finish it you dont fail. On thebright side i dont lie to people about my lack of ability to finish on thier time schedule. My last boss is probably very glad i was reassigned
to a different supervisor.

I'm OK finishing jobs that are manual. In fact I love practical jobs because you have something to show for it at
the end and there is a sense of finish. (Even then I tend to make too big a job of things cleaning out every
kitchen cupboard on the wall instead of just the one I'd meant to do, or weeding both garden paths instead ofjust a bit of the one I started absent-mindedly, but we're probably veering off kites and on to mars and venus
aspects here?). When it comes to something with imput that's more personal, like essay writing when I was stillin education, or art, the harder I try to finish it, the more research I do and the more information I cram in!
Having three more library books or getting really into painting something just-so just makes me further awayfrom finishing! I hate people asking how long something will take.
People who don't care about how things are done (as long as they don't take up any of their time and efforts)
and who prefer badly done cheery extrovert work to carefully done, to subtler approaches annoy me.
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« Reply #34 - on: 06.11.2007 at 04:15 [UT] »What about a kite in a composite? It sounds like a positive (but difficult to understand) thing to have in one's
personal chart. How would this play out in composite?

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« Reply #35 - on: 06.11.2007 at 09:25 [UT] »The composite chart is a chart of the relationship, of how the couple appear as a pair to others. I suppose thisis a chart of you and your son.
The Grand Trine being in the Earth element may indicate that you two have a need for material security. The
trines with Venus indicate that you are also very sociable and well liked by people but the DnB may indicate
too much of a reliance on the material instead of the emotional security you get from others.

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« Reply #36 - on: 06.11.2007 at 11:51 [UT] »Kite? Or not? Can one include the MC in kite formation?

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« Reply #37 - on: 06.11.2007 at 12:12 [UT] »Hi Cecelia,
your question has been dealt with earlier in the thread if you care to go back over it you will see the opinions,but here is an article from earlier that you could read that will be informative and that should give you areliable starting point to make your own assessment:
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/ASKKEVIN/980106.html
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« Reply #38 - on: 07.11.2007 at 00:48 [UT] »Tosh -- thanks. That was interesting!

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Re: what is a kite?
« Reply #39 - on: 03.08.2008 at 18:29 [UT+1] »utterly confused now stargazers, are u supposed to use, say the asc and the mc, as points in the kite
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Re: what is a kite?
« Reply #40 - on: 03.08.2008 at 19:49 [UT+1] »No!

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« Reply #41 - on: 03.08.2008 at 20:24 [UT+1] »oh is the ascendant not considered for a kite formation..i read somewhere some astrologers do that?anyone
has any experience with that??

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« Reply #42 - on: 03.08.2008 at 20:31 [UT+1] »Some do use the "abstract" points like ASC, MC, Vertex, Nodes to form these kinds of configurations. The"early" (20th century) astrologers who worked with patterns like these Rudhyar, Jones), up to the 70's (Meyer,...) used only planets.
If you throw enough stuff into your charts, you can come up with anything you like. Problem is, we all like tofeel special in some way, so we have to discipline ourselves a bit, if only so we can differentiate the signal andthe noise.
But that's just my philosophy. There are others who figure the more stuff you throw in, the more "nuance" youget.
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« Reply #43 - on: 03.08.2008 at 21:34 [UT+1] »I have a kite in my prog chart....
Can anyone help interpret it?

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« Reply #44 - on: 03.08.2008 at 21:37 [UT+1] »...and here is the natal with the prog..

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« Reply #45 - on: 03.08.2008 at 21:56 [UT+1] »Quote from Mauvenite on 03.08.2008 at 20:24 [UT+1]:
oh is the ascendant not considered for a kite formation..i read somewhere some astrologers do that?anyone has any experience with that??

When it comes down to this, I only use the major angles, the AC and MC. you can use the other points like theNodes, but the major angles I have seen to have the next most significance next to the planets. Like in mynatal chart, including the MC, i also have a Kite in earth/water.
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« Reply #46 - on: 03.08.2008 at 22:31 [UT+1] »Beautiful chart,James.
AmF in the 6 th house.You must be very lucky. .And that MC...nice.
I'm curios how J in the 12 th house manifest especially because is the ruler of your AC.

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« Reply #47 - on: 03.08.2008 at 22:35 [UT+1] »A kite will get you high.

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« Reply #48 - on: 03.08.2008 at 22:49 [UT+1] »I see! I get what you are saying in your analogy, and you are probably right!

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« Reply #49 - on: 03.08.2008 at 23:43 [UT+1] »Quote from trans on 03.08.2008 at 22:31 [UT+1]:
Beautiful chart,James.

AmF in the 6 th house.You must be very lucky. .And that MC...nice.
I'm curios how J in the 12 th house manifest especially because is the ruler of your AC.

Thanks trans! Lucky? Maybe more fortunate than anything.

J in the 12th...how it manifests?? Explosively!!

. It aspects a lot of my planets, though mainly positive

aspects so the flow of energy is good and not blocked. Besides that, it adds a lot of deep emotion and intuition,
it makes me caring and sympathetic supported by the moon/pluto sextile.
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« Reply #50 - on: 03.08.2008 at 23:56 [UT+1] »Well,good for you.
.I think that J in the 12 th house in good aspects (especially in your case,being the rulerof your AC) can be a sign of high spirituality and regeneration of spirit throw meditation and a great force thatcomes from within you.

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« Reply #51 - on: 04.08.2008 at 05:49 [UT+1] »Does N count in a kite, for apex?

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« Reply #52 - on: 04.08.2008 at 07:05 [UT+1] »You're welcome....
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« Reply #53 - on: 04.08.2008 at 10:10 [UT+1] »Can anyone tell me, is my chart a true kite chart, since the point end is in Taurus instead of Aries? should I belooking at to get this kite to fly - or my unaspected saturn in Aries nA?

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« Reply #54 - on: 04.08.2008 at 11:24 [UT+1] »Hiya Doh,
As far as I know a kite formation is a continuation or rather an addition to the Grand Trine configuration which
is defined by three planets in the same element all trine one to the other.
You do have a trine formation but the three planets are not in the same element so we can't say that there
would be 'an easy flow of energy'. I wouldn't consider that a 'true kite' since it lacks a 'true Grand Trine'.
I think that it is also very important to view the elemental compatibility of all aspects aspects a planet makes toanother planet or point in the chart.
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« Reply #55 - on: 04.08.2008 at 18:23 [UT+1] »Hmm...by what you are saying about the elements to Doh-Ray-Me, Tosh...it is helping me a little with
understanding my progressed chart/kite a few posts up above. The grand p is in water, and the n made in it iswater to earth. Makes sense why I'm befuddles a bit, cuz earth is the least of elements in my natal chart! And
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Gender:therefore, not an easy idea for me to get a handle on. I am relying on my natal tenacity (fixed) more often
than my natal flightiness (air), though, to proceed - so that is helping me too, as well as my intuition (water)....

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« Reply #56 - on: 05.08.2008 at 12:35 [UT+1] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 29.10.2007 at 21:22 [UT]:That's a great one, Doh-Ray, and it has a top or cap on the top, inverted. The opposition out of sign is all right, as it is within orb.
The effect of a perfect Kite like this is striking, so contained and in symmetry.

It seems fitting as a LIbra to have a balanced chart shape
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« Reply #57 - on: 05.08.2008 at 12:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Rachael on 04.08.2008 at 18:23 [UT+1]:
Hmm...by what you are saying about the elements to Doh-Ray-Me, Tosh...it is helping me a little with understanding my progressed
chart/kite a few posts up above. The grandp is in water, and the n made in it is water to earth. Makes sense why I'm befuddles a bit, cuzearth is the least of elements in my natal chart! And therefore, not an easy idea for me to get a handle on. I am relying on my natal
tenacity (fixed) more often than my natal flightiness (air), though, to proceed - so that is helping me too, as well as my intuition(water)....

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Gender:I'm not really sure how to interpret your Grand Trine in the progressed chart.
I may be way off here and I would appreciate some more experienced astrologers correcting me if I am on thewrong track, but here is what I think.
I look upon a Grand Trine as positive but inert energy; it's there, but going in a circle.
The kite offers an outlet, a release valve which activates this energy.
A Grand Trine through transits and progressions can be turned into a kite and for that period of time, that
'Grand" energy is put into motion; is used.
I think the progressed chart should be read by it's effect on the natal, not solely for itself. An Aquarius Moon
does not progress into a Scorpio Moon by losing its Aquarius attributes, but rather has the Scorpion traits
added.
What I want to say is that I don't know how much meaning a Grand Trine of progressed planets has if they
have no aspects or do not activate any configuration of the natal planets.

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« Reply #58 - on: 05.08.2008 at 12:50 [UT+1] »Quote from _Tosh_ on 04.08.2008 at 11:24 [UT+1]:
Hiya Doh,
As far as I know a kite formation is a continuation or rather an addition to the Grand Trine configuration which is defined by three planetsin the same element all trine one to the other.
You do have a trine formation but the three planets are not in the same element so we can't say that there would be 'an easy flow ofenergy'. I wouldn't consider that a 'true kite' since it lacks a 'true Grand Trine'.
I think that it is also very important to view the elemental compatibility of all aspects aspects a planet makes to another planet or point in
the chart.

I'm someone that has no trouble with daydreams and generating creative ideas and building them up - e.g.
writing a story. However, I'm rubbish at finishing workfDAgGa, I made a mess of organising myself
career-wise and so creative work I do tends not to get seen, not finished and it doesn't get used for career
purposes as it should. I could do with being able to get things finished and out of the way like an Aries,
worrying and planning more lika a Pisces or looking to forward and promote myself in career like a a Leo. Like a
lot of women my age there are things I used to do that I'd like to get back into more. I benefit times when I
have a friend who gives me a kick and says 'Well, you said you wanted to go to that exhibition, so lets go
tomorrow together'.
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« Reply #59 - on: 05.08.2008 at 13:06 [UT+1] »Doo Ray,
I just had a closer look at your chart.
If we accept the K as an element of a Grand Trine configuration, then you do have a fiery GT made up of EF&K .

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« Reply #60 - on: 06.08.2008 at 01:01 [UT+1] »I have wondered about my daughter's chart...the moon is so close to l and she even says she feels more like alB sometimes .She also has that t-square and that stellium all tied in...how would these rank in strength ofeffect ? I'm not sure how to put it all together .

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« Reply #61 - on: 06.08.2008 at 16:38 [UT+1] »if the meaning of the apex activating the kite is true, she should use her uniqueness (uranus) to activate that
grand trine and promote growth (jupiter)

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« Reply #62 - on: 07.08.2008 at 00:22 [UT+1] »Ok , that's good..I will tell her that. Thanks

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« Reply #63 - on: 07.08.2008 at 02:33 [UT+1] »Thanks Tosh, for your reply.

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