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direct Jupitarian
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« on: 20.05.2009 at 07:10 [UT+1] »I said on another thread that money is a neutral tool, but also hinted that its not actually that "neutral" in
reality.
It's interesting when one begins to study and perceive the deeper connections between matter andnonphysical consciousness levels. There is no real "separation" and yet it is also self evident that there aresome innate differences between these.
Since humanity has been collectively stuck, money as a symbol of power, control, and material influence has
been a huge and powerful draw and issue for humans.
Billions, upon billions of humans have coveted, overly desired to gain more of this symbol, and many, many,
many have, are, and will be overly attached to same.
Yet, it's also clear to me that money is a material tool that can be used for positive, and spiritual purposes.
The question is, is money really a neutral symbol.
Or rather is money a symbol of a collective thoughtform of humanity which is very limited and lacking inspiritual attunement?
What happens when a human, even one with spiritual ideals and beliefs, overly concentrates on this collective
thoughtform and symbol which collective humanity has imbued with such destructive, limiting, and non
spiritual energies?
This relates to astrology in an indirect way. Astrology is the art of probability and tendencies. Some say theseprobabilities and tendencies are the result of "past" choices, and use of Freewill. While a bit of an over
simplification, i would agree.
Now, some also say that many material "things" are actually emblems of certain very focused on patterns inconsciousness. Kind of the whole, "as above, so below" and that material things are often a reflection of suchinner patterns.
How does this relate to the Ouja board? Hmm, well some might think that this material object andcommunication tool is completely "nuetral" in nature, and yet i've heard so many accounts which clearly andconsistently indicate that this particular tool has a strong tendency to attract slower vibrating and less loving
energies to it.
If true, why would this be the case do you think? Perhaps because what it means, and is symbolic of on
deeper and unseen levels? Meaning, this particular tool was created from a rather immature and materialistic
spiritual focus--a limited understanding of what Spirit is really about.
The Ouija board flourished and became quite popular and well known during some rather sensationalistic, andoverly spiritulaistic time periods. In short, so many people have used this "tool" in such a sensationalistic,
limited, and immature way that it has created a certain thoughtform around this so called material "object."Thus, this "object", tool, or rather the collective thoughtform that the Ouja board represents and reflects, is
NOT neutral by any means, and is quite imbued with a rather slow vibratory pattern from its consistent use andfocus in that manner on the part of so many people.
Hence, even a well meaning, and more mature person who goes to use this particular tool, or energy channel,
will likewise tend to attract misleading and negative energies.
Money is like this as well, EXCEPT on a more more intense and concentrated level!
Hence, it becomes hard for the average person to use this tool wisely and spiritually though it is possible.
Spiritual Will can overcome any such tendency, just as Spiritual Will can overcome any limiting astrologicalpattern in the chart.
Personally, i choose to ignore money as much as possible, because i don't need that added temptation andinfluence, when i have enough shadow to transform as it is. Mainly, i only focus on money in the basic
necessity sense. I have no desire to accumulate same, and have no need for large sums of money.
Besides, while material service and help is important, by far, it is the transformation of limiting belief systems,
which really changes people for the better more than anything else. Money may play a part in it, and YET oneof the most transforming people ever to come here, had so little of it, and paid so little attention to same otherthan saying to give it away, or to use it for material service for others.
For example, i've done some volunteering stuff at food banks and shelters before, and while i think that is
important, it's when i really make people think more deeply about the nature of the larger reality wherein i seea much greater "ripple affect". Such as being a vegetarian, and in "real life" not talking much about it, butjust being an quiet example, i've "converted" some other people to it. While it may be hard for those on
forums to believe, i actually don't tend to preach much at all in person. I wasn't actively trying to, or evendesiring to convert these people to vegetarianism but it happened because they respected my very core energy,
my example, and my beliefs. Now many less animals are suffering needless torture and cruelty from humans
because of conversion of limiting beliefs.
As Yeshua perfectly lived and showed, holistic, balanced service is actually the most effective andtransforming kind of service around. He "hooked" many by and through his physical healings and help, andthen once they were open to the deeper meaning and deeper, non physical transformations via the physicalhelp, he finsihed the real work via helping to change limiting beliefs and attitudes.

Anyways, let's try to inject some astrology..
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« Reply #1 - on: 20.05.2009 at 07:36 [UT+1] »I see money as primarily related to Pluto, Venus, Jupiter, and Saturn principles.
Pluto--something very like, "for Pluto is the closest to the Earth in its activities."

Cayce's guidance once said ofInteresting, deep, and far reaching statement there...
Venus corresponds to money simply because Venus represents both what we value AND what we attract in amore closer, and personal way, whether relationships/people or resources. Venus gives us a clue to the great
law of this Universe, that Like attracts and begets Like, which relates to harmonic principles. Obviously, money
and the valuing of same is a pretty shared, universal value amongst many individuals and humanity in general.

Along with sex, personal companionship, and status, money is one of the most sought after material
experiences and objects, and rarely is the seeking JUST for the basic necessities to survive in a material world...

Jupiter corresponds to money on the more spiritual levels, wherein when one gives much of self towards
others on many levels, one tends to eventually attract much for self on many levels, including materially.
Saturn relates to money via an innate materialism, fear, insecurity, and illusionary attachment to the notion ofmaterial security. Along with Pluto, Saturn relates to the very dark side of money and the energies
surrounding and permeating same.
That of over attachment to the temporal, to caring more about things and power than people, to desiring
power, control, and influence over others. As Yeshua hinted, these are the "rich men who have a harder timeentering the Kingdom of Heaven than a camel fitting through the eye of a needle." Totally spiritually lost
(temporarily) in other words.
No doubt many World banker types have very strong Pluto's and Saturn's in their chart, with perhaps amisused Venus and Jupiter as well.
Look how strong Saturn and Pluto are in the charts of Dick Cheney, George Bush jr. and the like! We're nottalking of the overly focused on "signs" here, but of actual Planetary energies via Angular/Fire house positions
and powerful Planetary aspects with sensitive, receptive points in that individuals chart.
Yet, it's interesting how many people, even people in the spiritual world, try to convince themselves andothers that there is nothing limiting with desiring and trying to gain large sums of money.
Well sure, that's true, if the person doing same has the intention of helping and serving others, and not thelimited, material self, via this symbol and tool.
A good question is, how many do this is a more powerful, consistent, and pure way.

Even people like Bono

who give much of their time and money, probably are still over attached to same and might experience
negative feelings if it was all taken away suddenly.
It's over attachment to money and for limiting reasons, intentions, and purposes, which causes the real
problems and limitations.
I oft get the sense that it was Yeshua's vocal and constant denouncement of money seeking and overattachment which is what really bothered the religious and political rulers of his day, and what primarily led tohim being "silenced" through murder.
Why, well this was an activity and symbol that both the religious and political rulers were quite attached to andquite coveted. They really hated his message of, "give it all away to those who need it more." Or his general,"think not of the little self, but of the collective self more." He constantly challenged both peoples beliefs andlivingness to a purer and more loving ideal, and one does that...well in stirring up the shadow aspects of others
tends to lead to attracting much unlovingness and non constructiveness from others.
Interestingly, as someone very recently reminded me of via a p.m., that Yeshua warned his disciples that in
spreading and preaching his teachings and words, that they too would become hated/disliked, projected upon,and persecuted as he was. Kind of like before a major battle, some Generals will say, "any who wish to leave,
leave now..."
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Member« Reply #2 - on: 20.05.2009 at 08:40 [UT+1] »What makes you write so much extraneous stuff? I only had patience to read a small part. Advice; nomonologues, just keep it short and simple.
Here's the truth about money:
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Gender:If you think money corrupts you are corrupt already.
Money is totally neutral.
The oija board deals with psychic junkyards and slumber parties.

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« Reply #3 - on: 20.05.2009 at 08:52 [UT+1] »Ah, a one wiser and more intune than Yeshua himself has spoken the truth of truths. Let's just chuck out all
his outdated teachings and his very example.

For sure, those into Gurus and the guru system tend to love money. Just look at the example of so many
Gurus, from Osho, to Sri Chinmoy, to Swami Ramdev, to many, many more...
Or, how about the various "psychics" of the world, from Sylvia Browne, Gordon Michael Scallion, David Wilcox,
etc. many of whom do or have charged an arm and a leg for readings.
How about the various Cult leaders like Charles Manson, L Ron Hubbard, etc.
Shining examples of the highest and truest spiritual developement around!
What do these have in common?

Hmm, a strong seeking after money and the things of the world perhaps?

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« Reply #4 - on: 20.05.2009 at 08:56 [UT+1] »Yet a humble, simple carpenter who gave up his carpenter job to roam homeless, often penniless, and neverasked for any monetary compensation EVER (though did occasionally ask for some water when thirtsy) had
more Light and spirituality in his finger nail than all the ones previously mentioned all put together.
Is the brevity working?
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Member« Reply #5 - on: 20.05.2009 at 09:27 [UT+1] »DJCome up with a viable alternative and implement it. Giving to others who do not have, means you have to firstaccumulate it and continue doing that in order to give it away. The blind cannot teach the blind to see.

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« Reply #6 - on: 20.05.2009 at 09:32 [UT+1] »Quote from Cygnet on 20.05.2009 at 09:27 [UT+1]:
DJ
Come up with a viable alternative and implement it. Giving to others who do not have, means you have to first accumulate it andcontinue doing that in order to give it away. The blind cannot teach the blind to see.

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Do you know that for sure? In other cultures monks begged for their sustenance and they actually seemed to
do okay from most accounts. Lack of abundance is really just a scary story.

There's a guy on the net who's homeless, I don't remember the site, but he's got nothing. Still, he and his
buddies pool their money at the end of every week and get a hotel room to shower. He says the number one
problem with being homeless is...
boredom.
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Member« Reply #7 - on: 20.05.2009 at 09:50 [UT+1] »If there weren't people who made money to get food the monks would have no one to beg from.
Someone had to make money to build the hotel that they shower in and even the money they get comes fromsomewhere.
Who wants to spend a life time bored.
I always wondered what would of happened to Buddha if he was poor and he didn't have the option of leaving
his wife and baby in a palace.
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« Reply #8 - on: 20.05.2009 at 09:51 [UT+1] »Quote from Cygnet on 20.05.2009 at 09:27 [UT+1]:
DJ
Come up with a viable alternative and implement it. Giving to others who do not have, means you have to first accumulate it andcontinue doing that in order to give it away. The blind cannot teach the blind to see.

We're all blind, or as i prefer to say, partially sighted to varying degrees of less or so so.
rather consistently blind, have their moments of clear sight.

Even those who are

Anyways, as one who gives of self on many levels, i've found out first that it "works", and funny enough ihave this thing called pretty consistent inner peace, joy, etc.
Why do you insist on keeping everything at the material level with this stuff?
What about giving on otherlevels, or more importantly transforming belief systems like Bob Monroe, Edgar Cayce, and others have done?

Yes, people are essentially scared to lose these attachments, which is why they fight so hard against such
beliefs and ideas as i'm presenting. It doesn't "sit well" with them because it's scary as hell to realize that thesethings of the world that they have given so much attachment, focus, and energy to, just don't matter that
much.
There is a time of great leveling coming to the World, and particularly intensely to certain Countries morethan some others.
Money as we know and currently use it will become meaningless, by far, burning it for heat and warmth, will
be more practical and fulfilling.
Are you ready for these times? Why not start getting ready so that when they do come upon us, you andothers are not totally unentered and psychically devastated by such outer challenge?
I'm just a pragmatic person whose been aware of these developments for awhile, and have been getting readyfor them inside of self.
Starving these attachments so that they do not hold so much power over me and my choices.

This period ofcollective challenge is very necessary for our greater collective growth since we are not choosing positively
enough, and have attracted such conditions to ourselves via this collective lack of love.
Truly in the coming days, the outer will more properly and clearly reflect the inner on a collective level.
in Capricorn, a collective karmic reaping cycle, among other indications.

Pluto

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« Reply #9 - on: 20.05.2009 at 09:55 [UT+1] »what on earth has money to do with ouija boards? Or astrology and ouija? Are you asking the dis-embodied
for advice? Or are you just hooking people using emotive words?
In one simple sentence please - no patience for a lecture.
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« Reply #10 - on: 20.05.2009 at 10:00 [UT+1] »Quote from Callie on 20.05.2009 at 09:55 [UT+1]:
what on earth has money to do with ouija boards? Are you asking the dis-embodied for advice?
In one simple sentence please - no patience for a lecture.

Why then on a lecturing thread, started by a lecturing person?
Are you telling me that you can't possibly read my combined posts here which probably in all reality equal
about one full typed page?
Money and Ouija boards are not directly connected, but they are both material symbols which have built a
certain pattern of collective thoughtform around them, which through and by such collective focus,
concentrating, towards that of the limiting and non constructive, well these tend to have a non constructive,
unspiritual affect on others/self if there isn't enough strong spiritual will to counter act these influences.
Meaning, money, just like Ouija boards are not completely neutral though it seems that most here hold thebelief that the former is completely neutral.
I guess the majority is always right though.

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« Reply #11 - on: 20.05.2009 at 10:04 [UT+1] »Quote from direct Jupitarian on 20.05.2009 at 08:52 [UT+1]:
Ah, a one wiser and more intune than Yeshua himself has spoken the truth of truths. Let's just chuck out all his outdated teachings and hisvery example.

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Gender:For sure, those into Gurus and the guru system tend to love money. Just look at the example of so many Gurus, from Osho, to Sri
Chinmoy, to Swami Ramdev, to many, many more...
Or, how about the various "psychics" of the world, from Sylvia Browne, Gordon Michael Scallion, David Wilcox, etc. many of whom do or
have charged an arm and a leg for readings.
How about the various Cult leaders like Charles Manson, L Ron Hubbard, etc.
Shining examples of the highest and truest spiritual developement around!
What do these have in common? Hmm, a strong seeking after money and the things of the world perhaps?

Look, if you know friggen answer why pose the guestion. Are you smoking dope? If when you get answers you
mock people responding take your religion shove it up you a--. Take your prosthelitizing elsewhere.
The stellium right now is really got you drunk on something other than reality. You write a thesis with yourgibberish so if you've got it all figured out don't pose the question. Don't waste our time.
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Member« Reply #12 - on: 20.05.2009 at 10:08 [UT+1] »Quote from Callie on 20.05.2009 at 09:55 [UT+1]:
what on earth has money to do with ouija boards? Or astrology and ouija? Are you asking the dis-embodied for advice? Or are you justhooking people using emotive words?
In one simple sentence please - no patience for a lecture.

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Gender:He's smokin something. This is rediculous. Please, fo be John the Babtist somewhere else. We are in no
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« Reply #13 - on: 20.05.2009 at 10:26 [UT+1] »Quote from direct Jupitarian on 20.05.2009 at 07:10 [UT+1]:
I said on another thread that money is a neutral tool, but also hinted that its not actually that "neutral" in reality.
It's interesting when one begins to study and perceive the deeper connections between matter and nonphysical consciousness levels. Thereis no real "separation" and yet it is also self evident that there are some innate differences between these.
Since humanity has been collectively stuck, money as a symbol of power, control, and material influence has been a huge and powerfuldraw and issue for humans.
Billions, upon billions of humans have coveted, overly desired to gain more of this symbol, and many, many, many have, are, and will be

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Gender:overly attached to same.
Yet, it's also clear to me that money is a material tool that can be used for positive, and spiritual purposes. The question is, is money
really a neutral symbol.
Or rather is money a symbol of a collective thoughtform of humanity which is very limited and lacking in spiritual attunement?
What happens when a human, even one with spiritual ideals and beliefs, overly concentrates on this collective thoughtform and symbol
which collective humanity has imbued with such destructive, limiting, and non spiritual energies?

Someone once said to me 'money is the anti-christ'...I thought they were radical, now I thoroughly agree.
I might just have to eat these thoughts of a 2nd house J
Any symbol only holds the meaning we put into it. Take the swastika for example. Once a sacred indiansymbol now has become a symbol of hate. But was it the symbol that imposed hate through somesupernatural force? No, it was systematically abused to such a large degree that the result was a change in themeaning of the symbol.
The symbol itself is irrelevent, it's people that are the power behind any symbol.
A dollar represents a numerical value. Money is universal. It also represents the evolution of trade that has set
the foundation for the very integration of our collective social roots. Trade has had a huge influence on the
integration of people. It has brought us to develop as social creatures on a large integrative scale.
A ouija board could not do that. Things only have the meaning we attach DJ. Apples and oranges. If you ask
me the force behind the symbol is the power that drives the nature of the human.
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« Reply #14 - on: 20.05.2009 at 18:56 [UT+1] »Quote from truegemini62073 on 20.05.2009 at 10:26 [UT+1]:
Someone once said to me 'money is the anti-christ'...I thought they were radical, now I thoroughly agree.
I might just have to eat these thoughts of a 2nd houseJ

Any symbol only holds the meaning we put into it. Take the swastika for example. Once a sacred indian symbol now has become a symbolof hate. But was it the symbol that imposed hate through some supernatural force? No, it was systematically abused to such a large
degree that the result was a change in the meaning of the symbol.
The symbol itself is irrelevent, it's people that are the power behind any symbol.
A dollar represents a numerical value. Money is universal. It also represents the evolution of trade that has set the foundation for the very
integration of our collective social roots. Trade has had a huge influence on the integration of people. It has brought us to develop as social
creatures on a large integrative scale.
A ouija board could not do that. Things only have the meaning we attach DJ. Apples and oranges. If you ask me the force behind thesymbol is the power that drives the nature of the human.

Here are some interesting issues and questions about matter in general, which relates to my deeper point. It
has been reported numerous times that sometimes when one has an organ transplant from another person,that they will start to change in actual attitude, etc. seemingly in relation to the deepest character and vibe of
the person who donated.
Or, many sensitives have noted that material objects that are worn, like rings, become rather imbued with thereflected vibratory consicousness patterns of the wearer. Or, when one goes into a house where there has been
a lot of deep, consistent negativity expressed and felt there, one who is sensitive will tend to really pick up on it
almost like the matter around these people were absorbing these negative vibes and the negative vibes
remained long after the people with the lacking in light tendencies left.
Matter seems to have an innate, "receptive" and attracting/holding affect to it.
Some food for thought perhaps?
So yes, money is just a "symbol", but my whole point is that collective humanity has imbued it with so much
expressions and focus on greed, fear, power hunger, etc. that this symbol has almost taken on a life of its own
independant of how humanity tends to use it in the moment.
Or, in other words, it has developed an innate vibe and affecting Energy Field.
This can certainly be overcome, but only by those with great inner strength, spiritual attunement, balance, anddiscrimination.
Some can use money almost completley in a positive, spiritual, and helpful sense.

How frequent, consistent,

and common is this though?
So, its not black and white and either or, but both at the same time.
Money is just a symbol, and yet it has become a particularly powerfully negative collective thoughform with its
own innate tendencies.
A lot of spiritual traditions seem to encourage, that at least for a time period, that one become very detachedtowards this symbol...perhaps in order to over come its innate affect.
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Member« Reply #15 - on: 20.05.2009 at 20:28 [UT+1] »Quote from direct Jupitarian on 20.05.2009 at 18:56 [UT+1]:
Quote from truegemini62073 on 20.05.2009 at 10:26 [UT+1]:
Someone once said to me 'money is the anti-christ'...I thought they were radical, now I thoroughly agree.
I might just have to eat these thoughts of a 2nd houseJ

Any symbol only holds the meaning we put into it. Take the swastika for example. Once a sacred indian symbol now has
become a symbol of hate. But was it the symbol that imposed hate through some supernatural force? No, it was

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systematically abused to such a large degree that the result was a change in the meaning of the symbol.
The symbol itself is irrelevent, it's people that are the power behind any symbol.
A dollar represents a numerical value. Money is universal. It also represents the evolution of trade that has set thefoundation for the very integration of our collective social roots. Trade has had a huge influence on the integration ofpeople. It has brought us to develop as social creatures on a large integrative scale.
A ouija board could not do that. Things only have the meaning we attach DJ. Apples and oranges. If you ask me the force
behind the symbol is the power that drives the nature of the human.

Here are some interesting issues and questions about matter in general, which relates to my deeper point. It has been reported numerous
times that sometimes when one has an organ transplant from another person, that they will start to change in actual attitude, etc.
seemingly in relation to the deepest character and vibe of the person who donated.
Or, many sensitives have noted that material objects that are worn, like rings, become rather imbued with the reflected vibratory
consicousness patterns of the wearer. Or, when one goes into a house where there has been a lot of deep, consistent negativity expressed
and felt there, one who is sensitive will tend to really pick up on it almost like the matter around these people were absorbing thesenegative vibes and the negative vibes remained long after the people with the lacking in light tendencies left.
Matter seems to have an innate, "receptive" and attracting/holding affect to it.
Some food for thought perhaps?
So yes, money is just a "symbol", but my whole point is that collective humanity has imbued it with so much expressions and focus on
greed, fear, power hunger, etc. that this symbol has almost taken on a life of its own independant of how humanity tends to use it in the
moment.
Or, in other words, it has developed an innate vibe and affecting Energy Field.
This can certainly be overcome, but only by those with great inner strength, spiritual attunement, balance, and discrimination.
Some can use money almost completley in a positive, spiritual, and helpful sense. How frequent, consistent, and common is this though?
So, its not black and white and either or, but both at the same time.
Money is just a symbol, and yet it has become a particularly powerfully negative collective thoughform with its own innate tendencies.
A lot of spiritual traditions seem to encourage, that at least for a time period, that one become very detached towards thissymbol...perhaps in order to over come its innate affect.

Yes i hear what you are saying - that money has taken on a far greater role in this world than it has the rightto!
I too have pluto in the 2nd and therefore i do have a tendency to place money on a pedestal, but i still see
what it has the power to do.. both for good and for bad. it just seems that it has somehow not beenintergrated well - there are so many gray areas regarding money - you could go so far as to say it is the root of
all evil! but at the same time money is and should be just a transfer of energy.. the power, the greed, the fear,
the hatred, ect.. all comes from somewhere else
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Member« Reply #16 - on: 20.05.2009 at 21:37 [UT+1] »Interesting stuff DJ. Never before have I tried to make a connection between money and Ouija boards! I feellike I need to use a different part of my brain whenever I read your posts.
When I just read your words, 2 things came to mind - the first is anthropological - how utterly amazing it isthat we humans across most cultures on the globe have collectively agreed to play this crazy game called

Posts: 228"money," -- attributing value/energy to an imaginary concept called "money", symbolized by tokens (coins,bills). Do not other games require imagination and also tokens, as in a board game? So... money as a"game" - something we all agree to "play" but not necessarily for our benefit - well it's not too far of a leap to

Gender:make the connection to the Ouija Board parlour game, then.
Some societies have been "forced" to play the game of money (out of a need to eat and survive) while others
willingly dump their own subsistence cultures in order to join in the western culture of currency and excess.
(Usually it's the young people in non-literate cultures who are lured away from the "old ways" of doing things
because they want jobs to get money to buy western stuff that has leaked into their culture. Also thephenomena of cargo cults in developing countries comes to mind, too. Praying to the gods so that they will
receive an airplane full of goods.) But if it's all just a game, how do we stop playing? How do we get the wholeworld to stop playing?
Re: unevolved human behavior: It seems there's always a few jokers around who try to set up a "game"whereby they will have all the power and everybody else will not. And the rest of the masses seem to go "okay- we'll play too," for some bizarre reason, even when they are the losers in the game. Probably cuz the jokers
in power make us all play the game at gunpoint. They really need the losers to play so that they can win.
Capitalism 101...
So DJ, how do you interpret placements in the 2nd house then? Say, N Node in 2nd? In Taurus perhaps? Just
curious to hear more of your opinion.

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« Reply #17 - on: 20.05.2009 at 22:02 [UT+1] »Has this got anything to do with the camel not being able to pass through the eye of a needle?

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« Reply #18 - on: 20.05.2009 at 22:07 [UT+1] »http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJcHdLQFDeE
A vibration created by duality, like a fly-trap that traps people's Suns, souls, who they are.
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« Reply #19 - on: 20.05.2009 at 22:19 [UT+1] »Quote from Nikki on 20.05.2009 at 21:37 [UT+1]:
Interesting stuff DJ. Never before have I tried to make a connection between money and Ouija boards!

Interesting thread. I believe that the connection between the objects money, astrology and the Ouija Board is
the intangible things that they represent. More archetypal and the mythology so to speak of what these
intangibles mean to the majority of the people.
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Member« Reply #20 - on: 20.05.2009 at 22:24 [UT+1] »As long humans are exchanging energy with eachother in non-material ways, there will also be material ways.
Energy transfers, but who is responsible for that energy and its exchange place value on it. I don't want to bearound and exchange energy with annoying nongrounded people, so I don't. I don't buy things that ungroundme either.
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Gender:We must be responsible for our choices. Money is totally innocent. Its human consciousness that isn't. If you
want to believe we are victims to energy exchange go ahead but that teaches irresponsibility. Money has nomind of its own. The responsibility is soley on the possessor of it, therefore I will repeat, if you think money
corrupts you are corrupt already. Is most of humanity corrupt? I'd say so. Leave money our of it. How manyother ways do people use energy enchange in corrupt ways? Think about it. The people in jesus time were notready for responsibility. That is why jesus "did it for them". Its just easier for christ to say "it corrupts!"
Because no one was ready for that level of responsibility then.
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« Reply #21 - on: 21.05.2009 at 02:09 [UT+1] »I've had my issues with money, my issues with astrology, and my issues with Ouija boards . . . and I've learned
a lot by spending a lot of time meditating on each separately at different times. I've also taken appropriate
action on each depending on what I believe is the best way to handle each.
Direct Jupitarian (I'm sorry for the incorrect spelling I used in the past - I now understand why you spell it
this way! Duh - I can't believe I didn't figure it out sooner!)I hear clearly what you're saying, and I agree. Times are coming when money will mean nothing as far as oursurvival goes, and if we as a species don't start realizing how we humans have corrupted the planet, we will

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Gender:dearly pay the consequences for what we've done, on every level (physically, spiritually, etc.). The U.S. is clearly
headed in a direction where each of us must hunker down and decide how we will survive this huge test we're
about to face.
Ouija boards DO encourage negative, slow-moving energies into one's life and all they do is cause problems that has certainly been my experience, and hence, why I no longer have a Ouija board in my house.
Sun Kitty, money in and of itself is neutral, but it's what we perceive it to be or do for us that causes US to
become corrupt in our handling of it. Money is not corrupt, and never has been. Christ never said that money
was corrupt. He said that the LOVE of money is corrupt. There is a huge difference. Also, I wouldn't go as far
as to say that Jesus 'did it for them'. That depends on what you're talking about, because of course his
crucifixion and resurrection DOES count in that regard, but otherwise, he did his best to teach people how to
do it for themselves, either by telling them, or by his example (and then commanding them to be like him).
Even his resurrection, though, only allows people the CHOICE to follow or not follow his teachings, and thenclaim the consequences of their choices.
Direct Jupitarian, I DO read your whole posts, and for the most part I DO understand what you're saying, as
well as your many points (those that are obvious as well as the subtle ones). Just so you know, I think
more people are reading your stuff than you realize, it's just that it's mostly people who disagree with you who
respond. You usually cover subjects so well, that those who agree are left with not much else to say.
That's not a good or a bad thing; it simply is what it is.
I guess money has been an issue I've had to spend lots of time evaluating in my life because of my Saturn in
the i 2nd conjunct Venus (with Pluto in the f 10th square both) - it kinda forces you to face it head-on.
Also, with Scorpio rising, I conjunct it from the 12th, my N. Node in h conjunct Ascendant as well as Moon in
c in the 8th, I've had numerous run-ins with spirits, both invited via a Ouija board, and those who have comeof their own volition out of the blue, so to speak. Dealing with that world has been an ongoing experience forme since the age of 19, so I know all too well the dangers lurking there. I prefer the light over the darkness.
This new test we're all about to face is going to force people to choose between acting out of higher spiritual
principles, or digging deeper into the pit we've largely created for ourselves. There will be very little grey area
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« Reply #22 - on: 21.05.2009 at 02:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Sun Kitty on 20.05.2009 at 22:24 [UT+1]:
As long humans are exchanging energy with eachother in non-material ways, there will also be material ways. Energy transfers, but who is
responsible for that energy and its exchange place value on it. I don't want to be around and exchange energy with annoying nongroundedpeople, so I don't. I don't buy things that unground me either.

We must be responsible for our choices. Money is totally innocent. Its human consciousness that isn't. If you
want to believe we are victims to energy exchange go ahead but that teaches irresponsibility. Money has no mind of its own. The
responsibility is soley on the possessor of it, therefore I will repeat, if you think money corrupts you are corrupt already. Is most of
humanity corrupt? I'd say so. Leave money our of it. How many other ways do people use energy enchange in corrupt ways? Think about
it. The people in jesus time were not ready for responsibility. That is why jesus "did it for them". Its just easier for christ to say "itPosts: 684
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Sorry for the moodiness last night. Insomnia makes me very bitchy.

Hi SK...
At the risk of having DJ flash his ego at me I agree wholeheartedly with you... [besides I can’t help responding
to that smile of yours] money F is energy… it gets things done… it’s a tool for exchanging one service or needfor another, it provides shelter, food, clothes… money consciousness is a philosophy of its own…either you wantto buy into it or you don’t… most of us do, we spend our lives learning to survive, we study to get the job thatpays well [generally speaking]. We can use astrology to understand our own/others motives relating to money.
For those that can't compete for money there are many social security systems, aid organizations,philanthropists, hard working tax payers that provide. I find it’s usually those with their hand out that have theloudest complaints not about money but the lack of it.
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« Reply #23 - on: 21.05.2009 at 03:38 [UT+1] »Quote from Sun Kitty on 20.05.2009 at 22:24 [UT+1]:
Sorry for the moodiness last night. Insomnia makes me very bitchy.

Thank you. While i know it seems we disagree on some subjects like this, i think you have a beautiful Soul.
You made some good points too...i actually have pointed out that part, or side to money though.
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« Reply #24 - on: 21.05.2009 at 03:41 [UT+1] »Many people equate money to power in this western society and the commercialism and sale/buy attitude isdissolving through this financial crisis that is going on. People that base their happiness on money are very
distressed in these times as they have seen their savings dwindle in the stock market. I could get into
economical models but all of them are based on theory's which are interesting but even with this knowledge themarkets can not be 'controlled' so to speak. Of course the double standard of the gov't fiat money system is ahouse of cards that is falling down which will effect everyone. And the greed hungry corporations that believedthat outsourcing was their best way to turn over a bigger profit. What were they thinking?? War and oil? Causeand effect, natural law of the universe. Look at the nonsense going on all the bail outs and now with these bailPosts: 150
Gender:outs the car industry is going bankrupt. Many people are loosing their jobs and will have to face very hard
lessons. Everything IS going to change, government, society the earth maybe even our DNA. It's already been
written in the collective unconsciousness of people, and we know everyone that have been 'awaken.' All that has
been secret and kept from the masses for the use of control and the illusion of freedom will be in our face andout in the open in time. Only the truth can set us free and the only certainty in life is change. Things will be somuch better after the dust has settled and the turmoil of old structures and thought systems are broken down.
The light will shine down and we will all unite in love and unity. Money will not be needed in the end andeveryone will have a direct connection to the spiritual knowing we are all everything and nothing at the sametime. Our DNA may even change. This end result will not happen in this generation but will take many.
The people that define themselves by their money and all their material treasures are deeply rooted in thephysical realm, it will be the dark night of the soul for them and they will learn from it by either rising above
and changing their priorities or they will parish. Look at all killing sprees that have been going on lately.
I can sit here and write this stuff for I have not lost my job and many others have. But if I did I could go withthe flow because I have been through it before. In fact I am getting all my ducks in a row right now to beprepared for the future, what ever will happen. I actually have a deep desire to sell everything and simplify. Thisis an intuitive thing.
So what does all that have to do with the topic of the intangible ideology of money, astrology and Ouija
Boards. They all lead back to who we really are. Each of us has a different perspective on all three. Money is tied
more to the physical, while astrology is tied to the spiritual and physical and the Ouija Board is tied to thespiritual. They are all subjective and depending on where you are in your journey here in this dimension is how
you see these things. What's important and what is nonsense. Un-evolved souls, I like to call the 'walking dead'amongst us pretty much go along the lines of what society dictates. Money is power, good and happiness andastrology and Ouija Boards are the occult (hidden from view) and are evil. The more evolved you are, it will all
be turned around where money can be evil if you base your happiness in it and the occult is the way to thetruth and who we really are.
I love metaphors because that is all life is made of in a way. For instance:
evil spelled backwards is live
It's all dualities. Something I would like to discuss sometimes.

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« Reply #25 - on: 21.05.2009 at 03:44 [UT+1] »Wow, what a well written post LindaC7!
I don't have much to add except that i really agree with so much of what you said. Yes, particulalry the U.S.
is going to face some very challenging times. I recently had a dream about a nuclear explosion event, and amap of part of the U.S. was flashed.
and precog. type dream.

Not sure yet if it was more symbolic and personal, or a more collective

Anyways, these challenges are meant to be catalysts to help us reorient us back to the inner to working
together, rather than focusing so much on the outer and being so separative.
As the old Chinese proverb said, "may you live in interesting times." And interesting times we certainly areliving in now, though i suppose every generation views itself in such a manner.
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« Reply #26 - on: 21.05.2009 at 03:57 [UT+1] »[quote author=DrKoo link=1242799833/20#22 date=1242870261]Quote from Sun Kitty on 20.05.2009 at
22:24 [UT+1]:
Hi SK...
At the risk of having DJ flash his ego at me I agree wholeheartedly with you... [besides I can’t help responding to that smile of yours]money

F is energy… it gets things done… it’s a tool for exchanging one service or need for another, it provides shelter, food, clothes…

money consciousness is a philosophy of its own…either you want to buy into it or you don’t… most of us do, we spend our lives learning tosurvive, we study to get the job that pays well [generally speaking]. We can use astrology to understand our own/others motives relating
to money. For those that can't compete for money there are many social security systems, aid organizations, philanthropists, hard working
tax payers that provide. I find it’s usually those with their hand out that have the loudest complaints not about money but the lack of it.

Why Dr. Koo, couldn't you have just stuck to the debate about the valitidy, lacks, holes, etc. of the belief
systems without adding the personal dig? Come on, i expect more from you for i sense you have wisdom anddeep perception. Do you know that it appears quite apparent that many spiritual and/or religious teachers
thought that Yeshua was pretty arrogant, uncentered, and the like?
Re: this Quote:money

F is energy… it gets things done… it’s a tool for exchanging one service or need for another, it provides shelter, food, clothes…

money consciousness is a philosophy of its own…

I've already said similar on this thread: DJ: "Jupiter corresponds to money on the more spiritual levels,
wherein when one gives much of self towards others on many levels, one tends to eventually attract much forself on many levels, including materially. "But, i also see money has corresponding to Venus, Saturn, and Pluto as well, and explained how and why iassociated these with money, just as i explained with Jupiter.
If one understands the deeper nature and tendencies of physical matter, and also understands the concepts ofcollective thoughtforms and vibratory patterns associated with different objects, then one will understand what
i am trying to say.
Simply, money can be used positively when spiritual Will is involved, but the average tendency is to use it
negatively, and this does not have a black and white answer to the why, but more subttly to it. We havecreated such a powerful and concentrated thoughtform around this particular symbol and "object"
Edgar Cayce's guidance once explained that the best description of the 4th dimension is that one can have aspiritual understanding of material objects and patterns, and have a material understanding of
spiritual/nonphysical patterns.

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« Reply #27 - on: 21.05.2009 at 04:08 [UT+1] »two things to bear in mind here.
We don't have any hard evidence that Jesus existed.
and from an astrological perspective it's quite plausible that he didn't, at least not in any recognisable shapefrom the various Gospel narratives.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/zodiachistory4.html
Traditionally Money=Mercury, medium of exchange.
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« Reply #28 - on: 21.05.2009 at 05:21 [UT+1] »Quote from leigha9 on 20.05.2009 at 20:28 [UT+1]:

Yes i hear what you are saying - that money has taken on a far greater role in this world than it has the right to!
I too have pluto in the 2nd and therefore i do have a tendency to place money on a pedestal, but i still see what it has the power to do..
both for good and for bad. it just seems that it has somehow not been intergrated well - there are so many gray areas regarding money you could go so far as to say it is the root of all evil! but at the same time money is and should be just a transfer of energy.. the power,
the greed, the fear, the hatred, ect.. all comes from somewhere else

Hi Leigha9, i recently visited an Ashram--a place called "Yogaville" in the U.S. state of VA. This Ashram, theYogi who started same, and the people there decided to pick one main place to meditate and pray.
While unlike some (many?) there, i do not think/feel/sense this particular Guru was completely enLightened,
but when i went to the meditation and prayer area, i could feel some pretty strongly spiritual vibes there andwas impressed by the collective focus despite my general misgivings about the whole Guru scene, etc.
Why was there such a powerful, spiritual vibe there? Because the very matter, the very building, etc. thatthese people were meditating and praying in so often, was absorbing and building up these positive vibes sothat the building itself started to become imbued. SO MANY people for so long had meditated, and prayedthere--through this, the very vibratory patterns of the matter around started to speed up and become morerefined.
We don't have a good understanding of what physicality is and means from a nonphysical perspective. I've
met few who by sharing their beliefs and perceptions seemed to me, to really grasp a lot of the deeper
connections, meanings, similarity and yet difference between the two.
The over simplified and black and white answer is that money is just a neutral tool or symbol, and that it's
how humanity and human consciousness uses it which matters. Since humanity is so prone, collectively, togreed, selfishness, and separatism, etc, it just reflects in how we tend to use money.
Of course this is true, yet there is a more subtle side to consider, and yes this does relate to the Ouija
board, to the above Ashrams meditation/prayer building, etc.
It is hard to explain these concepts and to put them into words. Our finite oriented language doesn't do agood job of describing such nonphysical to physical concepts and interrelationship or connections.
Someday, there won't be money even in the physical world, and even before that time, humanity will start toimbue this symbol, this material vibratory pattern, with much more collective positivity.
But before this can happen, people must completely lose their attachment to this symbol and to thefalse/limiting aspects of overly concentrating on same in relation for self use. Again, when used for the benefitof others, it's a beautiful pattern.
The time is coming when money as we know it, won't matter much. People will have another kind of money
which is based on practical, tangible things and bartering relating purely to just necessary physical survival andbasic necessity stuff.
For sure, these times will be very hard on those who are overly attached to their "wealth", but hopefully they
will open up to a far greater, inner wealth.
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« Reply #29 - on: 21.05.2009 at 05:43 [UT+1] »Quote from Nikki on 20.05.2009 at 21:37 [UT+1]:
Interesting stuff DJ. Never before have I tried to make a connection between money and Ouija boards! I feel like I need to use a different
part of my brain whenever I read your posts.

Probably because i tend to use different parts of my brain when i write many of my posts, or rather i tend tomerge the left and right brain and write from a more "hemi-sync" state.
Quote:
When I just read your words, 2 things came to mind - the first is anthropological - how utterly amazing it is that we humans across mostcultures on the globe have collectively agreed to play this crazy game called "money," -- attributing value/energy to an imaginary concept
called "money", symbolized by tokens (coins, bills). Do not other games require imagination and also tokens, as in a board game? So...
money as a "game" - something we all agree to "play" but not necessarily for our benefit - well it's not too far of a leap to make theconnection to the Ouija Board parlour game, then.

Yup, it is a game, and as long as you realize its a game and not about "winning", and not being overly attachedto the tokens, it's fine to play the game, especially one is giving ones tokens to others.
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Some societies have been "forced" to play the game of money (out of a need to eat and survive) while others willingly dump their own
subsistence cultures in order to join in the western culture of currency and excess. (Usually it's the young people in non-literate cultures
who are lured away from the "old ways" of doing things because they want jobs to get money to buy western stuff that has leaked into
their culture. Also the phenomena of cargo cults in developing countries comes to mind, too. Praying to the gods so that they will receive
an airplane full of goods.) But if it's all just a game, how do we stop playing? How do we get the whole world to stop playing?

I tend to think that we stop playing when we realize its a game, and we just simply choose not to play thegame.
However, this doesn't mean one totally steps outside of socienty and the all the related experiences
and thoughtforms of same.
Even Yeshua said, "render unto Cesar what is Cesar's and render unto God what is Gods." So, we don'tnecesssarily stop playing the game in an "outer" way, but in an inner way we eventually starve our attachments
enough so that they have no power on us.
We do this primarily by realizing that the former attachments are limiting, and then by consistently focusing on
what's real, and expanding in nature, do we starve the attachments which keep us stuck to the game and to
thinking its all so "real."
Since i'm still stuck in the game to some extent, i'm perhaps not the best one to speak about getting unstuckfrom same though.
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Re: unevolved human behavior: It seems there's always a few jokers around who try to set up a "game" whereby they will have all thepower and everybody else will not. And the rest of the masses seem to go "okay - we'll play too," for some bizarre reason, even when
they are the losers in the game. Probably cuz the jokers in power make us all play the game at gunpoint. They really need the losers toplay so that they can win. Capitalism 101...

Ah, and now we get to the crux of my thread! There are a group of players, a relatively small group of very
clever and power hungry players, who have an undue influence on this World and on the masses.
They use material symbols like money, status, and the like to help try to keep people stuck, for as long as
people are stuck they are easier to manipulate and to herd. They view us just cattle to be used however they
like.
They have realized that outright and quick developing dictatorship does not work very well, for eventually thecattle rebel against the extreme physical limitations and suffering placed upon them. Since they are far
outnumbered what they perceive as cattle and chattel, they are a bit in fear of them and these kinds ofrebelling.
So, they have resorted to more subtle, more invisible prison bars and cages, ones which are much harder tosee, and thus harder to break out of.
I, & many others, have come to this World, partially to counter act and balance the influence of this group ofvery clever players. We do this, first by breaking these common human attachments we are born into, andtrying to communicate that such outer attachments only but limit you.
Quote:So DJ, how do you interpret placements in the 2nd house then? Say, N Node in 2nd? In Taurus perhaps? Just curious to hear more of youropinion.

Well, it's very relative i suppose, and a larger context needs to be seen first.

In its essence, the 2nd housedeals with the concept, belief, and perception of "value", but particularly value in relation to the material.
One might be born with a very strong 2nd house or especially Taurus emphasis, because they are bringing overstrong attachments to the material to begin with.
Others, just simply might need more focus on resources, and understanding the concept of values in generaland in relation to physicality. A greater "groundedness" might be order in order to shine forth spiritually in amore balanced, holistic, and thus more powerful way. But, at no point is becoming overly attached and focusedon fruits of this world ever helpful.

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« Reply #30 - on: 21.05.2009 at 05:52 [UT+1] »Quote from ~StarDust~ on 21.05.2009 at 03:41 [UT+1]:
Many people equate money to power in this western society and the commercialism and sale/buy attitude is dissolving through thisfinancial crisis that is going on. People that base their happiness on money are very distressed in these times as they have seen theirsavings dwindle in the stock market. I could get into economical models but all of them are based on theory's which are interesting but
even with this knowledge the markets can not be 'controlled' so to speak. Of course the double standard of the gov't fiat money system isa house of cards that is falling down which will effect everyone. And the greed hungry corporations that believed that outsourcing was theirbest way to turn over a bigger profit. What were they thinking?? War and oil? Cause and effect, natural law of the universe. Look at thenonsense going on all the bail outs and now with these bail outs the car industry is going bankrupt. Many people are loosing their jobs andwill have to face very hard lessons. Everything IS going to change, government, society the earth maybe even our DNA. It's alreadybeen written in the collective unconsciousness of people, and we know everyone that have been 'awaken.' All that has been secret andkept from the masses for the use of control and the illusion of freedom will be in our face and out in the open in time. Only the truth can
set us free and the only certainty in life is change. Things will be so much better after the dust has settled and the turmoil of old
structures and thought systems are broken down. The light will shine down and we will all unite in love and unity. Money will not beneeded in the end and everyone will have a direct connection to the spiritual knowing we are all everything and nothing at the same time.
Our DNA may even change. This end result will not happen in this generation but will take many.
The people that define themselves by their money and all their material treasures are deeply rooted in the physical realm, it will be thedark night of the soul for them and they will learn from it by either rising above and changing their priorities or they will parish. Look at
all killing sprees that have been going on lately.
I can sit here and write this stuff for I have not lost my job and many others have. But if I did I could go with the flow because I havebeen through it before. In fact I am getting all my ducks in a row right now to be prepared for the future, what ever will happen. I
actually have a deep desire to sell everything and simplify. This is an intuitive thing.
So what does all that have to do with the topic of the intangible ideology of money, astrology and Ouija Boards. They all lead back to who
we really are. Each of us has a different perspective on all three. Money is tied more to the physical, while astrology is tied to the spiritualand physical and the Ouija Board is tied to the spiritual. They are all subjective and depending on where you are in your journey here inthis dimension is how you see these things. What's important and what is nonsense. Un-evolved souls, I like to call the 'walking dead'amongst us pretty much go along the lines of what society dictates. Money is power, good and happiness and astrology and Ouija Boards
are the occult (hidden from view) and are evil. The more evolved you are, it will all be turned around where money can be evil if youbase your happiness in it and the occult is the way to the truth and who we really are.
I love metaphors because that is all life is made of in a way. For instance:evil spelled backwards is live
It's all dualities. Something I would like to discuss sometimes.

Well said StarDust. Especially simply the part about --if one bases their happiness on money--in any way, iswhat facilitates problems and unhappiness.
This attitude, experience, and expression is the manifestation, like any which is limiting, of fear and lack of love.
Generally speaking, the greater and more pure the love one attunes, the less attached to the things of theworld one becomes. They may still attract quite of the material goods of the world, but they use it to thebenefit of others. In other words, they simply are just not attached to or controlled by money and the socalled "need" to "gain" more of it for their own selfish purposes. In general, such people sincerely put theirlives into the hands of the Creator with no fear and expecation of what "should happen", nor worry about how
things will turn out in a material sense.
I think the Buddha might be quite proud of some of our posts here. I can see him smiling now andcheerleading us on, "yeah, you got it right gals/guys!"
Yes, it does seem if the whole system is starting to crumble down upon itself, for the collective greed has
become so heavy as to topple itself.
I've been aware of these probabilities long before any of these current developments, and when i talked aboutit, people would call me "dooms dayer", unbalanced, "negative", deluded, etc.
It was easy for them to say this, for many Countries were experiencing very expanding material conditions andsaw no end in sight of so called "prosperity" and "abudnance".
In any case, one cannot serve two masters. One cannot consciously serve Source and mammon/maya at thesame time.
We are coming a time of extremes, wherein the choices & cause & effects between these become more
apparent..
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« Reply #31 - on: 21.05.2009 at 06:06 [UT+1] »Words, words, words, words, words. Too much waxing philosophically about personal spiritual views with theinterest in pushing those beliefs on others, and no astrology discussion.
Anyway, money may technically be a demonic invention, but it's not like good things can't be done with it. For
those spiritually/magically inclined to get something "good" out of the use of money, try donating it to theorphans sometime.
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Gender:As for Ouija boards, I've never used them, and never had to. I hear too many horrendous stories from otherpeople (even innocently) playing with such a device that I am not the least bit curious to try it out. A person
who wants to contact non-physical people can find a safe way to do so.
And DC, I notice you talk about Yeshua a lot. You should actually talk to him sometime (I mean, like a real
conversation where you reach him, and ask questions and he answers back at ya). Also, I hope you don't
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« Reply #32 - on: 21.05.2009 at 06:13 [UT+1] »Projection, projection, projection everywhere, and not a drop of pure truth or Love to drink for the Waters ofLife in this world run as a trickle in the collective.

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« Reply #33 - on: 21.05.2009 at 07:16 [UT+1] »Re: consciously contacting and communicating with the nonphysical dimensions and with folks focused insame, i highly, highly, highly recommend Bruce Moen and his material. It has helped me in my practice andunderstanding. There are few outer sources which come from still incarnate physical people in which i soresonate with.
Bruce teaches simple, easy to understand, but effective tools for people to go within and learn these truths
themselves. Also, he is a good and entertaining writer besides (Perhaps indicated by his Sag. Jupiter in the 3rd?). He has a sure and steady focus on divine, universal love in his writings which he labels PUL (pureunconditional love).
Really, despite he is not a Yeshua type yet, and not fully and completely enLIghtened, i can't recommend his
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« Reply #34 - on: 21.05.2009 at 07:24 [UT+1] »Direct Jupitarian,
You might be interested to know (depending on your knowledge level of the nodes) that I was re-reading what
my nodes mean the other day (N. Node Scorpio in the 1st house conjunct Ascendant vs. the polar opposite),and one of my main tasks/goals to achieve in this life (just based on the nodes regardless of the rest of mychart) is to 'let go' of attachments and focus on the basics, those few things in life that really matter.
After pondering it for a while, I realized that I've been doing that in small steps for years, and continue making
bigger steps more recently. To use your words, I've been 'starving myself' of the attachments that I can see I
really don't need, and it's been working quite well. I've also found that it makes it far easier for me to see
what's REALLY going on around me. In some respects, especially in the past year or so, I feel that I have
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Maybe if more of us do this and start 'starving' big business so it will stop running our government, we can get
our country back. I'm not holding my breath, though.
After all, with the country ruled by Cancer,'starving' it by its own citizens is not that likely, I wouldn't think.

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« Reply #35 - on: 21.05.2009 at 07:38 [UT+1] »Yes Linda, unfortunately, America must be utterly torn asunder before her peoples can experience collective
healing again. It doesn't have to happen like this, and i'm only speaking in probability terms... but they callprobability probability for a reason.
That dream i had recently about the nuclear explosion, was shown a map of the U.S., etc.
Well when i woke up from this dream, i relaxed and got intune with guidance and asked them what was theprobability rate of this occurring.
I was rather surprised when i got what translated to 99 percent.
This dream, and the 99 percent probability rate was a big surprise for me, for i had not previously thoughtthat nuclear events were going to be part of the changes that are to take place.
I really, really hope this dream is not one of my somewhat common precog. dreams!
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« Reply #36 - on: 21.05.2009 at 07:41 [UT+1] »Also thank you for sharing the info about your Nodes and what they mean to you. I also place a lot ofemphasis on the Nodes in the chart.
There is also a lot of emphasis on independence and going within with such a Nodal placement as yours.
I also have N. Node in the 1st btw, but in Virgo right near cusp of Leo and CON Regulus in same.
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« Reply #37 - on: 21.05.2009 at 07:58 [UT+1] »I am very interested in this thread...
I am just recently coming into financial power after a life of financial lack.
I too have pluto in the 2nd, as well as part of fortune and the north node.
I cannot express in words how sacred this journey has been.
It has been bound up with my own enpowerment and indeed enlightenment;

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and far needier recipicants than I. People might say this is as selfish
as spending on houses, trinkets, what have you.
Maybe it is. But I think when you respect the flow of money asa source of energy which has it's exchange just as love does, thencasting it back into the sea feels the only proper wielding of the"power" of it.

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« Reply #38 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:07 [UT+1] »[quote author=direct Jupitarian link=1242799833/20#26 date=1242874651]Quote from DrKoo on
21.05.2009 at 02:44 [UT+1]:
Quote from Sun Kitty on 20.05.2009 at 22:24 [UT+1]:
Hi SK...
At the risk of having DJ flash his ego at me I agree wholeheartedly with you...

Why Dr. Koo, couldn't you have just stuck to the debate about the valitidy, lacks, holes, etc. of the belief systems without adding thePosts: 684
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apparent that many spiritual and/or religious teachers thought that Yeshua was pretty arrogant, uncentered, and the like?

Your right DJ… I could have left out the dig, but that’s how some of us work… digging for yams , digging ourown graves, digging in for the coming storm, digging for info… dig?
But now you are projecting yourYeshua at me… tell me straight… are you a born again Christian using this forum as your pulpit to convert us
heathen evil doers… it maybe worth a try, you might save a few… but Jesus Christ… you’re getting boring with
the Yesha this and Yeshua that… we get it!
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« Reply #39 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:10 [UT+1] »If you are dedicating and directing this flow to positive projects and to helping those less materially fortunate
than yourself, then i would say it is a beautiful, growth producing pattern.
This is how money should be used, and if used in this way, can only attract inner peace and consistent joy.
Keep up the good work!

Yet, it is in the transformation of beliefs and perceptions, wherein the real change and transformation of theindividual and World happens. If you can affect someones view and perspective, you can help co-create an
opening up of a channel of Light within them.
Sometimes though, we have to first "hook" the people in a more material way.
and Edgar Cayce's guidance were so active in physical healing.

This is partly why Yeshua,This was not the real work and healing, but helped lead to the real and deeper transformations. Obviously, if
one is helped by another in a concrete, physical way with no material strings attached, then one will be more
apt to listen more deeply to the deeper beliefs and perceptions of said person.
And that's all it takes for a little open minded and heartedness to occur.
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« Reply #40 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:17 [UT+1] »Dr. Koo, i should be focusing on Justin's maxims and teachings instead, or perhaps Theosophical teachings,
and the like instead?
Because of what i know and believe about this particular teacher, do i so recommend him, his teachings andespecially his example.

When you know his Soul essence is literally the Co Creator of this Universe and of many Souls who exist
within same, when you know he is the only public teacher to have transfigured the body physical into pureLight again, when you have had certain experiences with him and the degree of his love...
Then its hard to not parrot his teachings, or point to his example, for it is the most pure one there is on
public display.
But, perhaps i should tone it down and use his name less.

Thanks for sharing.

In any case, i'm very curios as to why you seem to feel the need to tell me what to personally do or not
do? Last i checked, you are not part of my guidance team, nor my chosen teacher.
Can you not see the important difference between speaking about beliefs, ideas, and concepts, and addressing
the perceived lacks in another?
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« Reply #41 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:18 [UT+1] »I always thought Venus was the one connected to money and i heard the line round here recently, something
like, look to how you treat money and it will be the same as the way you treat love.
Well don't count your money, when you're sitting at the table.
There be time enough for counting, when the Ouijas done.
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« Reply #42 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:22 [UT+1] »Some might relate only one planet to money, but i relate Venus, Jupiter, Pluto, and Saturn to various aspects
and levels/perspectives of same.
On this backwards, po dunk Planet of extreme collective ignorance, well the word and concept of love is notmuch understood by the majority.
If it was, this world would be a much harmonious place to vacation.
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« Reply #43 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:26 [UT+1] »Except DJ, we are not all on collective vacation... yet ... or are we?

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« Reply #44 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:27 [UT+1] »Also consider Dr. Koo, i have mentioned many sources and names here when it comes to this kind of stuff, notjust Yeshua.
I've mentioned Bruce Moen, Buddha, Bob Monroe, Pythagoras, Edgar Cayce, Rosiland McKnight, Mrs. Emu,
Stephen Arroyo, and others.
too much so at times.

And yes, i talk plenty of Justin's maxims, experiences, and examples--perhaps

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« Reply #45 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:30 [UT+1] »Quote from Lisalu on 21.05.2009 at 08:26 [UT+1]:
Except DJ, we are not all on collective vacation... yet ... or are we?

Yes and no. Someday we will realize there was never a need to go want to go on vacation to begin with...and
instead of trying to escape eternity, we will begin to wonder, "what's the best way to spend time in eternity?"
Perhaps its as simple as being of service to others, and in Co-Creating new patterns in new Universes andparadigms?

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« Reply #46 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:35 [UT+1] »"what's the best way to spend time in eternity?"Is the probably the answer we should be asking ourselves right now
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« Reply #47 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:39 [UT+1] »Yup(and people think i can't be brief in words)

Being on a pedestal is awfully awkward place to be placed on i'm finding out
for me was rather correct?

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Perhaps Mrs Emu's reading

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« Reply #48 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:42 [UT+1] »BTW i think you would make a fabulous preacher DJ. Im being serious
Maybe you have a calling for your own church. The Church of Jupitarians. (sic) (joke)
But yes it is tough being on a pedestal for sure
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« Reply #49 - on: 21.05.2009 at 08:54 [UT+1] »(bows deeply...then topples over).

I try to amuse and confuse with contradictions and the reconciling of paradoxes.
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