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Casey Princeton
MemberPlease explain Progressed Sun house change« on: 25.08.2016 at 19:21 [UT+1] »I'm confused about the progressed Sun. I notice in my chart it is staying in the same house (12th). I am 32 so
I would expect it to move into the 1st house by now. I read on one website that I can't find now that the Sun
will rarely change houses due to the movement of the Ascendent, and subsequent IC,DC, MC change. I
understand that it changes signs.All other planets seem to be progressing, but the sun shows up in the same
house. Can someone please explain this????

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #1 - on: 25.08.2016 at 20:12 [UT+1] »Hi,by progression Sun moves about 1 degree/year. Moon is faster but the other planets are slower, and someplanets, from Jupiter foward moves hardly anything. Therefore you cannot see changes for all planets during
just a couple of years f.ex. Some planets are since birth retrograd and move in that retroing mode or may
change direction during the life span.
There are two ways to look at progressions:-planets in progressed chart aspecting natal planets and points= angles in the the chart.
-progressed planets aspecting progressed planets/points- so using a progressed chart alone is the outlook you
are talking about as the ASC/MC and other houses moves at the progressed rate following Suns path.
Hope you got some help?
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #2 - on: 25.08.2016 at 20:26 [UT+1] »Thanks for responding.....I'm still a bit confused. I understand the rate at which certain planets move/progress.
I understand that the moon moves much faster, and Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto are barely moving at all. Hereis what I don't understand......
So let's say I look up my chart, specifically "progressed chart". I will see movement from most all the

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planets.....and by theory if the Sun moves about 1 degree per year, at 32 I should see a complete house changeright? My natal sun was not retro so it should be progressing mostly forward. But when I look it up here on
astro I see that it still is in the same house as my Natal placement(12th), although it has changed signs andGender:that I do understand.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #3 - on: 25.08.2016 at 20:34 [UT+1] »Quote from Valerie Calkins on 25.08.2016 at 20:26 [UT+1]:
Thanks for responding.....I'm still a bit confused. I understand the rate at which certain planets move/progress. I understand that themoon moves much faster, and Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto are barely moving at all. Here is what I don't understand......
So let's say I look up my chart, specifically "progressed chart". I will see movement from most all the planets.....and by theory if the Sun
moves about 1 degree per year, at 32 I should see a complete house change right? My natal sun was not retro so it should be progressing
mostly forward. But when I look it up here on astro I see that it still is in the same house as my Natal placement(12th), although it haschanged signs and that I do understand.

Yes, the Sun would had changed sign at some point. The houses moves also, if you use the Astrodienst
progressed chart you see that. So as they also moves around the chart, the Sun follows that same rate, notjumping into a different houseBest way to see this is to look at your ASC in the natal chart and compare
it to the progressed chart, likewise with MC. See how they have moved foward.
These angles/points are also important to look for, and if they hit a NATAL ( not just progressed) planets asthey move, that would produce something (maybe a change of something or bring in something new)-

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #4 - on: 25.08.2016 at 20:43 [UT+1] »Got an idea how you can actually get this on paper, if that helps.
Use the natal chart you have and plot in the progressed Sun there, and maybe the Moon to begin with. Look at
the Sun in the new position and also notice the change of sign and probable house.
After that draw in the chart the progressed angles, AScendent/DC axis in that new position, say it was 16
degres in Gemini and by progression now 2 degree Cancer. Use a different color for this and to Mc which you
also draw in.
Reflect on this until you "get it". Move then to other progressions.
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #5 - on: 25.08.2016 at 20:56 [UT+1] »Quote from Valerie Calkins on 25.08.2016 at 20:26 [UT+1]:
Thanks for responding.....I'm still a bit confused. I understand the rate at which certain planets move/progress. I understand that themoon moves much faster, and Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto are barely moving at all. Here is what I don't understand......
So let's say I look up my chart, specifically "progressed chart". I will see movement from most all the planets.....and by theory if the Sun
moves about 1 degree per year, at 32 I should see a complete house change right? My natal sun was not retro so it should be progressing
mostly forward. But when I look it up here on astro I see that it still is in the same house as my Natal placement(12th), although it haschanged signs and that I do understand.

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Gender:Sun moves one degree per day and in progressions it moves one degree per year. You just "translate" this toyour chart. Look at the emphemeries, what happened in a month (30 days) after your birth. Did Mercury went
RX or direct? What happened to the planets in 32 days, after you were born? Ps: Sun and Moon never go RX.
For example my natal Mars was in direct motion when I was born. In 29 days after I was born it went RX. I lookat the emphemeris and look, when it will be direct again. Measuring with 1 degree = 1 year and I find out it will
go direct when I'll be 60+ years old. Yay.
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #6 - on: 25.08.2016 at 22:16 [UT+1] »Quote from Valerie Calkins on 25.08.2016 at 20:26 [UT+1]:

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Gender:So let's say I look up my chart, specifically "progressed chart". I will see movement from most all the planets.....and by theory if the Sun
moves about 1 degree per year, at 32 I should see a complete house change right? My natal sun was not retro so it should be
progressing mostly forward. But when I look it up here on astro I see that it still is in the same house as my Natal placement(12th),
although it has changed signs and that I do understand.

Not necessarily.
Remember that a change of sign is not the same as a change of house.
You could look at the degree upon which natal Sun stands. How many degrees is it separated from the natal
Ascendant? According to place and time of birth and which house system you use , some houses can be 'equal'in size, all having the same degree as the rising degree throughout the chart. Following the first motion of Sun
into the next house, all further changes of house will occur at 30 year intervals. If you use one of many otherhouse systems, the size of the house can vary from very small to very large, especially if sign interception
occurs. Natal Sun could spend as little as a year to 40 years in the same HOUSE, even though it will (not) havechanged SIGNS.
The Sun has an average daily motion of 1 degree. Yet its motion can also be more and less than one degree
per day. This will effect its 'progressed year' position. If you look up the 9000 year Swiss Ephemeris tables in
the 'All About astrology' section under the Astro Dienst logo, click 20th century, then click on your year ofbirth, you will see the list of all planetary positions each day for said year. Count down from date of birth 0 32 and you will see how far Sun has progressed and if it has crossed the Ascending degree and into the NATAL
1st house. If it hasn't crossed the Ascending degree, keep on counting until you come to the day = year that it
does!
Looking at a progressed chart on its own is another calculation because the house cusps are also progressed. In
this case, progressed Sun will always progress with progressed 12th house. It won't ever move into theprogressed 1st house. It will eventually progress into the NATAL 1st house.
Progressed charts cannot be read on their own; only in context with aspects made to the natal chart.
Then there's the system through which, via progressed house cusps, NATAL Sun and all planets will REgress
BACKWARDS into the previous house whilst, unless retrograde motion occurs, they have PROgressed
FORWARD! Personally, in over 30 years I still haven't figured out how that's been interpretted in my life.
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Krista ShippMember« Reply #7 - on: 25.08.2016 at 22:56 [UT+1] »Progressed charts cannot be read on their own; only in context with aspects made to the natal chart.

Thank you much for this
My Pr A entered g a year ago
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In natal Pr A will m IC at 9 g & then be in H4

This has also played out in another way in my Life
When Pr A was m N G 27 f H3- I has sudden onset severe arthritis
As the m separated 18 mths later- it abated & then vanished

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #8 - on: 25.08.2016 at 23:20 [UT+1] »Many astrologers use progressed to progressed. It may occure that the slower ones are perfecting an aspect.
Good luck with your learning progressions. It makes sense when the chart is grasped. It might make time if you
use just computerized charts, since the thinking through never occured, doing the chart, so be patient. That is
the todays melody!
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #9 - on: 25.08.2016 at 23:44 [UT+1] »Pr B is m N A
I HOPE thats a good thing
I'm just glad it got out of H12
Good info here
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #10 - on: 25.08.2016 at 23:47 [UT+1] »Well, we are talking about OP´s progressions.
Not others speculated, without examples it is null information.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #11 - on: 26.08.2016 at 07:02 [UT+1] »Quote:
Many astrologers use progressed to progressed. It may occure that the slower ones are perfecting an aspect

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Gender:Just to clarify any misunderstandings.
I was commenting on the progressed chart as a whole when there is not any exact aspect between planets in it.
It can't be read as having an effect, as would a natal chart with e.g. a 2-3 degree orb.
EXACT aspects between progressed to progressed planets do have an impact; definitely on the natal chart. On
the positions in the progressed chart alone meaning remains a.
My ½ cent only.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #12 - on: 27.08.2016 at 20:57 [UT+1] »I've attached a link with what I am referring to.......

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Ex Member« Reply #13 - on: 27.08.2016 at 21:25 [UT+1] »Hi Valerie, Your Sun progressed over Asc at 28 Leo about 9 years ago and change sign to Virgo about 7 years
ago, so I expect you became more earthy and interested in practical stuff, food, digestion, farming, crafts? Itwent over your Merc in Virgo a few years ago so more of the above maybe?
With your beautiful Moon Venus conj perhaps your artistic talents became more practical?
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #14 - on: 27.08.2016 at 22:14 [UT+1] »Yes absolutely I felt my Sun progressing in Virgo.....I started a cleaning business, and went on a hardcore
health kick around that time. As far as my artistry changing, I've become a little more rigid I suppose. I'm now
obsessive about organizing my large music collection, and I feel as though my brain grasps music concepts
quicker with my guitar playing.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #15 - on: 27.08.2016 at 22:18 [UT+1] »I ask about the 1st house because I seem to have a really unhealthy obsession with my appearance.....I know
I'm a triple Leo, but it feels different now. I feel my Leo vanity was always sort of healthfully kept in check but,around 9 years ago it became an unhealthy obsession. I was thinking that it might have been the Sun
progressing in the 1st house.

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Ex Member« Reply #16 - on: 27.08.2016 at 23:11 [UT+1] »Valerie, it is more likely to be Virgoan perfectionism kicking in. So I guess you might want to work on giving
up the need to analyse and criticise your appearance? Mercury rising in Virgo could be a bit obsessive about"getting it exactly RIGHT" - and then crticising yourself for being vain!
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #17 - on: 28.08.2016 at 22:58 [UT+1] »Quote from Friesiangal on 26.08.2016 at 07:02 [UT+1]:

EXACT aspects between progressed to progressed planets do have an impact; definitely on the natal chart. On the positions in the
progressed chart alone meaning remains a.

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Gender:This is currently very actual in Valerie's progressed only chart.
Sec. progr. Sun, still in progressed 12th house, is forming a square to s.p.Mars (still) in 3rd house. This is acompletely 'new' meeting between Sun and Mars as there is no natal aspect between them.
Natal Sun is sextile natal Chiron but is now the apex of the s.p Sun-Mars-Chiron T-square.
Sec. progr. Mercury (ruler s.p. Asc. and s.p. MC) is retrograde and has returned to its natal degree but now ins.p. 12th house. It is trine s.p. Jupiter, now in s.p. 4th house. The natal aspect is being repeated in the same
houses as theprogressed to natal chart (1 and 5), yet different houses in the progressed only chart.
S.p. Venus has crossed s.p. Ascendant and is opposing s.p. Black Moon Lilith(M). The aspect occurs in the natal
chart across 2nd-8th houses, yet in the progressed only chart across 1st-7th house.
S.p. Moon has conjoined s.p. Pluto in the 3rd house of natal chart, but 2nd house of the progressed only
chart.
Is it possible for Valerie to give an idea of any difference she may be experiencing in these house aspects?
Could it be said that it is the influence of the progressed only chart positions that is effecting how the s.p.
aspects are working themselves out in the house circumstances of the natal chart ?
Does becoming financially self-supporting play an important role?
Just curious.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #18 - on: 29.08.2016 at 00:30 [UT+1] »Prog. Merc in Virgo is now retrograde. Virgo is the sign of self criticism.
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #19 - on: 29.08.2016 at 00:33 [UT+1] »Quote from Linda Harris on 29.08.2016 at 00:30 [UT+1]:
Prog. Merc in Virgo is now retrograde. Virgo is the sign of self criticism.
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That "retroing Mercury" was said above. Or did I read THAT reply wrongly?

Or you just made a pop up, just like that?
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #20 - on: 29.08.2016 at 00:43 [UT+1] »Quote from Friesiangal on 28.08.2016 at 22:58 [UT+1]:
Quote from Friesiangal on 26.08.2016 at 07:02 [UT+1]:

EXACT aspects between progressed to progressed planets do have an impact; definitely on the natal chart. On thepositions in the progressed chart alone meaning remains a.

This is currently very actual in Valerie's progressed only chart.
Sec. progr. Sun, still in progressed 12th house, is forming a square to s.p.Mars (still) in 3rd house. This is a completely 'new' meeting
between Sun and Mars as there is no natal aspect between them.
Natal Sun is sextile natal Chiron but is now the apex of the s.p Sun-Mars-Chiron T-square.
Sec. progr. Mercury (ruler s.p. Asc. and s.p. MC) is retrograde and has returned to its natal degree but now in s.p. 12th house. It is trines.p. Jupiter, now in s.p. 4th house. The natal aspect is being repeated in the same houses as theprogressed to natal chart (1 and 5), yetdifferent houses in the progressed only chart.
S.p. Venus has crossed s.p. Ascendant and is opposing s.p. Black Moon Lilith(

M). The aspect occurs in the natal chart across 2nd-8th

houses, yet in the progressed only chart across 1st-7th house.
S.p. Moon has conjoined s.p. Pluto in the 3rd house of natal chart, but 2nd house of the progressed only chart.
Is it possible for Valerie to give an idea of any difference she may be experiencing in these house aspects? Could it be said that it is theinfluence of the progressed only chart positions that is effecting how the s.p. aspects are working themselves out in the house
circumstances of the natal chart ?
Does becoming financially self-supporting play an important role?
Just curious.

For Venus there is also some sense of self-value or artistry besides money. And relationship, could be a female
friend and being appreciated. Severe possibilities, thus the axis may tell more about the values as money.
Or what do you think Friesiangal? And well studied chart from you!
And maybe Valerie has the idea of what is occuring already or will be, good to let her self tell( or keep in mind),
I agree on that.
But as you said, the Mercury returning is something to watch. But it has still a bit to go before it is exact.
It may be significant regarding some idea/thought/learning maybe getting an exam- but coming out frominternal phase maybe the case. That what was allready meantioned trine to Jupiter may point to travel too.

But here we see, the Sun keeps the same house in the progressed chart. Alone progressed Sun has changed
sign AND house (the wheel staying still in the natal position). Just repeating the picture.
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #21 - on: 29.08.2016 at 11:14 [UT+1] »[quote]Quote from somethoughts on 29.08.2016 at 00:43 [UT+1]:

And well studied chart from you!

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It was the result of OP's first post about a (continuous) 12th house Sun, yet only posting a sec. progressed tonatal chart in which exact s.p aspects were shown. I was curious as to how the same aspects showed up in the'progressed only' chart.
Such (working) examples are good for learning and proving theoretical astro. techniques in practise.
Quote:
what do you think Friesiangal?

Lots of thoughts regarding (specific) themes go through my head when seeing individual's chart(s), yet it haslong been my practise not to say, 'you are....you have...this says...' etc., as is so often read on the board
threads. The individual then seeking advice need only agree/disagree with what they read without reallythinking for themselves about their own attitude towards circumstances, if you know what I mean.
Generally speaking, if the 'progressed only chart' represents a continual major theme re: house circumstances,then the planets can remain locked in that general house theme for a lifetime, or at least until the progressedplanet moves faster/slower than the house cusp and forward/backward into another house. In thinking about
this, does this mean that the individual undergoes personal experiences through the secondary progressions TO
the natal chart that actually strengthens the constancy of natal positions, as they are further enforced byprogressed only chart? I.e the leopard cannot change its spots.
In OP's case is the 12th house natal Sun always significant to her in regard to her (sense of) personal identity.
Did the secondary progression into the 1st house make her aware of and/or strengthen this, yet with her still
essentially 'being' the same person? E.g. the ballet dancer that lives through a 12th house fantasy world ofdance, yet becomes the prima ballerina still identified with that fantasy world (progressed only chart) when s.p.
Sun progresses into and through the 1st house of the natal chart?
With OP, does the 'enslavement' of a natal 12th house Sun show itself in the identity she has of herself, as well
as become the strength in the 'clean(S)ing business' she began? Is she, or does she control 'working slaves'? Is
it coincidence that the progressed 12th-6th house axis is now conjunct natal Asc.-Desc. in that respect? Whatbaggage is the progressed 12th house circumstances bringing to the natal 1st house?
Does that make sense?
The significance of s.p. Venus opp. s.p MEAN Lilith that now T-square natal and s.p. Neptune brings the 'money'
and 'personal values' situation to mind. Is an awareness surfacing of what is and is not 'real'. Does physicalgullibility play any role?
More than meets the physical eye occuring? A real teaser this progressed only chart versus (or with) secondary
progressed to natal chart.
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #22 - on: 29.08.2016 at 14:42 [UT+1] »Wow my mind is blown. The replies are so incredibly helpful. I'm still learning, and starting to delve into more
technical aspects so I appreciate this incredible insightful feedback
I need to go back through and re-read the explanation because I really need to wrap my mind around it. I'm
having a hard time understanding, the repeated aspects in the progressed chart. Would this not be the case formost individuals? Also, I'm still a bit confused as to the actual progressed Sun's position now. I understandthat it has shifted along with everything else but is it now 1st house? Or is that kind of relative?
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Gender:In response to some comments to how this has possibly manifested. I do feel as though I have been 'lockedup" in the 12th house for the past long while, gaining much knowledge but trying desperately to escape or put
the things I have learned into action but seem to keep failing yet believing that I have many gifts and talentsthat I would like to share. My financial situation seems to somehow tie into this, because about 7-8 years ago I
felt a sort of rebirth which is when I went on my cleansing kick which included mentally reducing the value ofcash money in my mind. I am currently struggling to find the balance between supporting myself financiallywhile employing the very painful lessons that I had to learn when the Sun crossed my Ascendent, and a Virgo
influence was felt more strongly.
Also, specifically the mention of the 12/6th house to the 1/7 house and this repeated theme. While the
12th/6th house theme was present I feel as though that could be why I suffered unexplained health issues(6th)that I struggled to heal on my own for many years which I believe was rooted in deep issues that lay in mypsyche(12th). I noticed when I went through the "change" as I like to call it, that I now feel extremely
independent, rejecting any notion of unions/commitments of any kind as a means of self preservation.
Not sure if this makes sense. I love the questions, and the feedback.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #23 - on: 29.08.2016 at 15:28 [UT+1] »Quote from Valerie Calkins on 29.08.2016 at 14:42 [UT+1]:
Wow my mind is blown. The replies are so incredibly helpful. I'm still learning, and starting to delve into more technical aspects so I
appreciate this incredible insightful feedback
I need to go back through and re-read the explanation because I really need to wrap my mind around it. I'm having a hard time
understanding, the repeated aspects in the progressed chart. Would this not be the case for most individuals? Also, I'm still a bit confused
as to the actual progressed Sun's position now. I understand that it has shifted along with everything else but is it now 1st house? Or isthat kind of relative?
In response to some comments to how this has possibly manifested. I do feel as though I have been 'locked up" in the 12th house for the
past long while, gaining much knowledge but trying desperately to escape or put the things I have learned into action but seem to keep
failing yet believing that I have many gifts and talents that I would like to share. My financial situation seems to somehow tie into this,because about 7-8 years ago I felt a sort of rebirth which is when I went on my cleansing kick which included mentally reducing the valueof cash money in my mind. I am currently struggling to find the balance between supporting myself financially while employing the very
painful lessons that I had to learn when the Sun crossed my Ascendent, and a Virgo influence was felt more strongly.
Also, specifically the mention of the 12/6th house to the 1/7 house and this repeated theme. While the 12th/6th house theme was present
I feel as though that could be why I suffered unexplained health issues(6th) that I struggled to heal on my own for many years which I
believe was rooted in deep issues that lay in my psyche(12th). I noticed when I went through the "change" as I like to call it, that I now
feel extremely independent, rejecting any notion of unions/commitments of any kind as a means of self preservation.
Not sure if this makes sense. I love the questions, and the feedback.

This makes perfectly sense. Coming out from the 12H phase, internal build up time, reflective, working fromthe behind, and also with Mercury retroing in natal. Yes, 6H is about health too, and daily habits.
You could also now add Jupiter to this to your reflections, to get the wholeness (Jupiter, bigger picture) in what
has and is occuring. Independence is also opposing co-dependency, a place of freedom to choose and do own
things and grow along the own path. Sun may be the archetypal father in your chart.
Something on it;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codependency
Guess the Lilith speaks about the opposing ends in this too. Some power-plays in action. Friesingal has studied
Lilith and may add the substance better to this phenomen. There are thus some interpretentions on Lilith insign and houses on the net.

Soon we " have to" interpret your whole chart, if we continue the talk. Since the chart is about wholeness anddevelopment of the self.
yes, seing a chart makes the head spin around the "story" as was meantioned byFriesingal.
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #24 - on: 29.08.2016 at 15:36 [UT+1] »Progressed Moon is in Scorpio 3H. So talking about some of the matters here makes sense also. Scorpio phasefor you; money, power or empowering, and then the theme psychological re-birthing.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #25 - on: 29.08.2016 at 15:49 [UT+1] »interesting notes somethoughts......my father was very controlling and domineering, it created a rebellion ofsorts in me. I feel a polarity between my desire to be a ham and have all the attention, but then not wanting toinvest the emotional commitment required to nurture healthy relationships with others.
As far as Jupiter goes.....not sure how exactly it factors in my current situation but I'm need to investigate thatfurther. I am only watching the transits of this planet because I assumed much like the outer planets that it
didn't necessarily have as much effect in the progressed chart as perhaps the Sun, Moon, Mercury, etc.
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Gender:I would love to delve further into my own chart but of course understand this is a place to exchange knowledge
rather. I welcome all insight and feedback into my chart.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #26 - on: 29.08.2016 at 15:56 [UT+1] »Also, after this major Sun progression my fear/rejection of commitment seems to have stifled my ability to
become financially independent. I won't commit to a more lucrative job despite the many opportunities I haveworked for.

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Ex Member« Reply #27 - on: 29.08.2016 at 16:12 [UT+1] »Quote from Valerie Calkins on 29.08.2016 at 15:56 [UT+1]:
Also, after this major Sun progression my fear/rejection of commitment seems to have stifled my ability to become financiallyindependent. I won't commit to a more lucrative job despite the many opportunities I have worked for.

Why´s that?
Guess you lack the self-confidence if I understand you right?
That is the part of 2/8 axis(houses) too. Just prior progressed Moon was in the 2H. So, this is like you are still
under some spells of getting "approval", and an perhaps activation of the point of self-undoing which is thebase of 12H too.
Scorpio has the tendency to sting the self and be untrusting. So resonating this way, you see the point where it
seems you have to work on yourself, and probable will have success doing that.
(How to help you up, is the question here.)
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #28 - on: 29.08.2016 at 16:46 [UT+1] »The fear/rejection comes from my 12th/1st struggle, I developed a thought pattern that I could not trust
people(scorpio?), and that I need to work on my own if I was going to get anywhere. I feel as though Ishouldn't rely on people.

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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #29 - on: 31.08.2016 at 04:46 [UT+1] »I commented that the obsession and critique of her looks might have something to do with the Merc retro in
Virgo....the sign of criticism....and self criticism. The mind (Merc) has a lot to do with the way you THINK you
look whether or not that is the truth. Being obsessed with looks is partly a Merc-Virgo issue. Not the only
reason for this but a good part of it.
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #30 - on: 31.08.2016 at 08:32 [UT+1] »For your fears, in relationships, there is Saturn (ruler of 7H - relationships) squaring your Venus. It dampers
your feelings of being lovable and may cause mistrust. It may work from the unconscious and then projected
upon others. It has to do with self-confidence and becoming too self-reliant may be seen as you put theperhaps also good relationships, on ice. Love is hard to find until you brake this pattern. If you are thinking in
negative way, that can be changed with a more light approach of things, like laugh more, also to yourshortcomings and failures, sort of think that it is part of being human with also this side. And allow yourself tofail sometimes, and move over with the learning you gathered, on a new path.
In cases of the jobs you can manage, but reject, it is like you negate the success this way. And that is adding
more of the inferior complex, right? Saturn is connected to jobs/ ambitions also.
Venus rules also money (values), so here is something to think about!
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Re: Please explain Progressed Sun house change« Reply #31 - on: 31.08.2016 at 17:28 [UT+1] »All the feedback here is so helpful. I'm a knowledge enthusiast so I appreciate all thoughtful contributions!

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