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New Chart of Edgar Cayce« on: 04.10.2007 at 10:23 [UT+1] »Here's the new chart of Edgar Cayce.
Source for time = Edgar Cayce My life as a Seer, page 175
1:30 pm from Birth Certificate.
No more uranus rising.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #1 - on: 05.10.2007 at 22:04 [UT+1] »Here is Edgar's own Reading, given for himself, from his higher source about his OWN birthtime, Relative to the
Solar System: (excerpt from 254-2) reading: (I'll post the chart beneath the reading excerpt)that is based upon his own information, and not a mistake in a book. (Seer out of Season)
Uranus sits ON the Ascendent.

As in this body here [Edgar Cayce] born March 18, 1877, three minutes past three o'clock, with the Sundescending, on the wane, the Moon in the opposite side of the Earth (old moon), Uranus at its zenith, hence
the body is ultra in its actions. Neptune closest in conjunction or Neptune as it is termed in Astrological survey,
in the ninth house; Jupiter, the higher force of all the planets, save the Sun, in descendency, Venus just coming
to horizon, Mars just set, Saturn - to whom all insufficient matter is cast at its decay - opposite the face of theMoon. Hence the inclination as the body is controlled by the Astrological survey at the time of the birth of thisbody, either (no middle ground for this body) very good or very bad, very religious or very wicked, very rich oralways losing, very much in love or hate, very much given to good works or always doing wrong, governed
entirely by the will of the body. Will is the educational factor of the body; thence the patience, the persistence,the ever faithful attention that should be given to the child when it is young.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #2 - on: 05.10.2007 at 22:09 [UT+1] »from 254-2:
As to the forces of this body, the psychical is obtained through action of Uranus and of
Neptune, always it has been to this body and always will, just outside the action of fire-arms, yet ever within
them, just saved financially and spiritually by the action of great amount of water - the body should live close
to the sea, should always have done so. The body is strange to other bodies in all of its actions, in the psychicallife, in all of its ideas as expressed in the spiritual life as to its position on all matter pertaining to political,
religious or economical positions. This body will either be very rich or very poor.

His various readings, delineated different lifetimes, in which he was told WHY Uranus sits on his Ascendent,
because of a prior lifetime, in which he killed himself....(in Troy), as well as a lifetime, as Bainbridge, a wastrel,
who wa quite Uranian in his "Ultra" actions.
I'll need to dig those references up later.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #3 - on: 05.10.2007 at 23:20 [UT+1] »With GmC in the 8th & in neptunian l- He believed in his work to the core
He found his 'passion'

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #4 - on: 06.10.2007 at 00:23 [UT+1] »BIRTH TIME GIVEN BY CAYCE HIMSELF, IN HIS OWN READING; 254-2 PUTS "URANUS ON THE ZENITH"ANDRISING AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH , HENCE, CALLED "ULTRA" (see reading excerpt above)

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Member« Reply #5 - on: 06.10.2007 at 00:54 [UT+1] »One thing to remember about Edgar Cayce is that he had a theory about the time of the soul entering the bodyas being the correct birth time. This time could be from several hours before physical birth to several hours
after physical birth. So virtually no one who is using a birth certificate for the time of birth had the correct
astrological natal chart, according to Edgar Cayce.
Often it was stated that the soul had entered the body earlier, putting the ascendant back one sign, which
created a more Vedic type chart. But there was no hard rule regarding this practice of trying to determine
when the soul had entered the body.
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The thing that bothers me about this is that it was then totally up to Mr. Cayce as to what was the exactly
correct birth chart.
He also had a theory about the planet or star closest to the MC or ascendant as being the last place of thesoul's "planetary sojourn". This planet showed the last environment that the soul experienced prior to thecurrent incarnation and gave a clue to the state of the soul. Sometimes he also used the sun for the lastplanetary sojourn.
I think the one posted by uranus is probably accurate, showing the moon and Neptune in the 10th of career,
with Aries on the cusp. Pluto is here in the 10th also, showing transformation and empowerment throughcareer.
His Mars is in the 6th of daily work, with Jupiter, in Capricorn ruled by Saturn. Saturn is found in th 8th ofother people's money, with exalted Venus. The sun in Pisces in the 9th shows he was truly interested thespiritual and esoteric and the Sun rules his Leo ascendant; his sun is co-ruled by Jupiter in the 6th in Capricorn
ruled by disciplinary Saturn, and Neptune in the 10th in Taurus, ruled by Venus in the 8th.
Uranus in the first house could possibly show an unstable beginning or early childhood.
I have to wonder what could be the motivation for Mr. Cayce to want to change his natal chart and those ofothers?

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tookieEx Member« Reply #6 - on: 06.10.2007 at 01:17 [UT+1] »Reference:
I have to wonder what could be the motivation for Mr. Cayce to want to change his natal chart and those ofothers?

Actually, I don't think there is any motive, as his own reading, i.e. his OWN Subconsicous trance self-state, gave
this time of birth for himself, as well as the Astrological Renderings of the planets as they were when he wasborn, so that those inquiring, (during the reading itself), such as his wife, David Kahn, Blumenthal, andwhoever was interested, and put the question forth to him, could "understand",WHY he came in when he did, and WHY he chose 3:03PM as the birth time....
His "Subconscious" Trance State *what we call the Information, was VERY precise, here and I'm certain thatanyone associated with the A.R.E. (his remaining son, grandchildren, and the organizations people) would
choose this time to be the accurate birthtime, and not a piece of paper, that probably was wrongly interpreted
and put into a rather obscure book.
From his own Reading, (for himself), in the Trance State came EXACT positions (I don't think he could havebeen more precise then this) It almost reads as poetry or prose.,all from a man who was dead to the world,*unconscious, and knew nothing (awake) about astrology or the art of it"
As in this body here [Edgar Cayce] born March 18, 1877, three minutes past three o'clock, with the Sundescending, on the wane, the Moon in the opposite side of the Earth (old moon), Uranus at its zenith, hence
the body is ultra in its actions. Neptune closest in conjunction or Neptune as it is termed in Astrologicalsurvey, in the ninth house; Jupiter, the higher force of all the planets, save the Sun, in descendency, Venus
just coming to horizon, Mars just set, Saturn - to whom all insufficient matter is cast at its decay - opposite theface of the Moon. "Hence the inclination as the body is controlled by the Astrological survey at the time of the birth of this body,either (no middle ground for this body) very good or very bad, very religious or very wicked, very rich or always
losing, very much in love or hate, very much given to good works or always doing wrong, governed entirely by
the will of the body. Will is the educational factor of the body; thence the patience, the persistence, the everfaithful attention that should be given to the child when it is young.

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #7 - on: 06.10.2007 at 01:27 [UT+1] »Re:
The thing that bothers me about this is that it was then totally up to Mr. Cayce as to what was
the exactly correct birth chart.

I don't think quite honestly, there is anything to be "bothered about", as Mr. Cayce rec'd this information, notfrom his ego self, but from the Akashic Record, (as it was explained to be).......
So, it's wasn't "his", or Edgar's take on anyone's birth, but the "Source" (as he termed it)
One either believes in Cayce or not, it's really that simple. One sees him as "legit", or a fraud,
it's really one's choice isn't it, in the end.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #8 - on: 06.10.2007 at 01:47 [UT+1] »Yes, it is, tookie, and please don't take it personally that I don't believe in Edgar Cayce. He was a voracious
reader and he once worked in a bookstore, you know. So much of his insight is rehash of previously publishedworks by the Theosophists and Rosicrucians, and much of this material was available by mail order. All things
Egyptian were very popular at the same time of Cayce's rise to fame, so no wonder so many of his clients andhe himself had previous lives there.
He had suffered an injury (from a baseball) to either his spine or the back of his head. This is not the only

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I know many of his readings sound very positive and caring. But one should consider the times, and Cayce's
poverty, the willingness of people to want to believe in the supernatural and above all else, the financial
incentive. Just because someone can go into trance, doesn't mean they automatically are seeing reality or
telling the truth. I place a great value on the truth, but that is just my personal hangup.

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #9 - on: 06.10.2007 at 02:02 [UT+1] »THAT'S OKAY,

I don't take it personally at all....

Just nice to know where someone is coming from when you are reading their "take"......on a person, chart, etc.
Thanks for your honesty, it's very brave to be honest, and a nice trait to have, IMO.
I don't believe in trying to talk someone out of their belief system, or their convictions (no Pluto issues in mychart),, but I must say in defense of Cayce, that indeed, he did work in a Bookstore, as a very young man,before he married, and opened up his own Photography Shop. But IF anyone would take the time to read thebook available in the library, of his own letters, he himelf wrote, one would be "appalled" at such illiteratenesscoming out of this man.
Just appalled!.........I suppose today, there would be a diagnosis for this type of lack of word play & spelling,etc.
He called himself, "Eddie" in the 3rd person, too. A rather strange man, in the waking state.(just as theastrological reading of him indicated)...
I've studied him intensely for over 40 years now, in and out of the organization (mostly on my own), but I've
never yet found anyone other the Amazing Randi, who was truly "turned off" by Edgar Cayce, and didn't think
he was legitimate.
Even Amazing, came around lately, to take back some of his earliest harsh statements, in his 1970s biographyof Mr. Cayce.
It's nice that he is willing to do this, but I still don't care for "Amazing",
needs people like him, to ferrett out the frauds.

......although I think the world

For me however, I've gained a lifetime of understanding, through Cayce......beyond him, no other has reachedthat pinnacle for me.(other then Christ himself)/and perhaps Jane Roberts, (a little bit, but not as much as
Cayce has been as a teacher for my understanding)...
Tookies. (with respect for all who have different opinions then my own)

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #10 - on: 06.10.2007 at 02:30 [UT+1] »You are very gracious also, tookie. I don't like to trample of people's personal belief systems, and I did not
realize how close to your heart this subject is. But seriously, wasn't E. C. known to exhibit an almost
photographic memory? I am speaking of the spelling book incident and other times when he apparently
memorized texts of books very quickly? If he had source materials, isn't it something to be aware of? Maybe
those who were his sources really had the true knowledge of the meaning and purpose of our journey here on
earth. I am just one who if there is a natural explanation for something, I cannot go with a supernatural one.
Didn't he use a different type of astrology than we do? See if none of us know our true ascendants, then thiswhole forum is a sham. I ask more out of curiousity, not contentiousness. If someone has a handle on
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #11 - on: 06.10.2007 at 02:52 [UT+1] »Quote from CindyLu on 06.10.2007 at 01:47 [UT+1]:
He had suffered an injury (from a baseball) to either his spine or the back of his head. This is not the only example of someone
manifesting what they think are prophetic psychic powers after suffering an injury of this type.

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Before you make up your mind it might be a good idea to fully study Cayce's works. Some of the stuff heoffered was quite amazing. Many of his remedies for illnesses worked and people found ingredients in very
obscure places that he described to a T. A great deal of his work was offered freely.
Blows to the head can sometimes awaken psychic abilities - that has been documented for centuries.
Some people are very gullible indeed, but many are rather sceptical and don't just 'believe in' what others say.
Cayce has been checked out by experts, both during his life and after his death.
As for belief in the 'supernatural'. Lots of people have had amazing experiences (sometimes physical) for
which there is no rational, right brain explanation - me included. They just don't mention them to others
because they don't want to be jeered at. They do tell me because of my profession (astrologer) and when I
check out the time they say it happened, there is an astrological signature that corresponds well to the event.
I have often wondered if people who can't see or accept that others can have these experiences have something
missing in their makeup. For example, I am colour blind in the green range and wouldn't know it, except I
have been tested and it is true. I can see colours and match them well, but I miss out on the whole green
spectrum. Other people are deaf and wouldn't know it except they are told by hearing people they can't hear ..
and so on. I think left brain scientists and sceptics might be so because they just don't have a right brain
facility that most of the rest of the world have- and this is why so many people don't take them seriously when
they condemn psychic and spiritual areas.
I like to play with both the Cacye charts. I have found the Vertex axis (doorway to other realities) very activein psychics, particularly if it carries the quintile or septile series of aspects. In the 3.03 pm Chart Cayce has
Mars and Jupiter straddling his 5th house Capricorn Vertex with Jupiter making a lovely quintile to Venus
conjunct Regiomontanus 8th cusp.
In the 1.30 pm (birth certificate) chart he has The Sun in the 9th biseptile the Vertex (strong spiritual energy)
and the Moon biquintile from the 10th. Biquintile aspects to the Vertex often show one of the 'clair' skills, so
this fits very well.
All in all I prefer the birth certificate chart. Cayce was often quite puzzling when it came to astrology and I
have never followed through with his reasoning in that area so I can't make any further comment on its
accuracy. I have always found the chart for time of the first breath fitted the person very well.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #12 - on: 06.10.2007 at 02:52 [UT+1] »Reference: am speaking of the spelling book incident and other times when he apparently memorized texts ofbooks very quickly?
This incident, was one he related, as did his original biographers, Jess Stearn (the late author of many popular
U.S. new - age books )and Tom Sugrue, (these two were the first original biographers), and in each book they
relate that poor little Edgar, (his father was actually quite a mean person, in many ways), and the boy wasmuch closer to his mother then his dad.
But as the story goes, when Edgar was around 10 or so, he wasdoing very poorly in school, always called a "slow" kid, and was failing his class.
His father, gave him a thrashing, and the child went to bed crying. He had a "Vision", one of many he had in
those early days as a child. It was the beautiful woman, who he oftentimes saw, who told him he should "Sleepon the spelling book" and put it under his pillow,that night.
He did that, and the next day, he said, he knew every single word in the book , and asked his father to test him,by choosing any page (randomly), which he did.
This then, is the "Incident" widely reported.
2)

Didn't he use a different type of astrology than we do?

Actually NO........unless you mean, more Esoteric, in it's understanding, but most remarkably close to
traditional astrology as we practice it.
Most of his astrological readings, were part of what was called a Life Reading, (there were as many physicalreadings, for health problems of course), but some people only opted for "Life Readings", like President
Woodrow Wilson, his Secty., Thomas Edison, and so many names you'd know like Marilyn Monroe, (who only
wanted beauty secrets), so the bottom line, is EVERYONE who was anyone in those days, wanted a Free Llife
Reading, IF they could get one, from this man known as "The Miracle Man from Virginia Bach" according to theearly Reader's Digest type magazine out.
Once they published that article, the traffic to his door never ceased.
Anyway, these "life Readings", IF they were phrased properly,(the question), as to the connection to theuniverse itself, oftentimes has the Astrological related and incorporated in them.
The readings often then, started out with the planets, aspects, etc. Cayce explained to us, (this may bedifferent then our known present day take), that the Signs themselves, are respresenting, our Past lifetimes on
the earth, and the aspects, are respresentative of the "Inter-between Realms", and what we did with what welearned......prior to coming back here.
In this respect, you might say it was different then.
He seldom ever used "houses", ..............the astrology was found to be mostly absolute and uncannily preciseto the degree......, when run in the computers years & years later.......(he read in the 30s mostly)of course all this done while sleeping.
He also said, (when asked), that the Persian , method is the more accurate, and no doubt had lifetimes, then as
often came out in the readings themselves, (about his role in these long ago lifeitmes)
He said the Sidereal Charts are more closer to the accuracte (being about 26 degrees ahead) of our present day
tropical charts (precessed), as being "more true"........
But he caveated often with the understanding that most of asrology is intuition, (like crystal gazing, I suppose),once you get good at it, and only 1/3 of it mathematical theory. So, most of what an astrologer does is put
together, (with the aid of the mathematics), their own insight overall......once they get good at practicing the"art".

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #13 - on: 06.10.2007 at 02:59 [UT+1] »For anyone interested in Edgar Cayce and his Birth Time & True Chart, here is the information from hisorganization, The Association for Research & Englightenment: (or are) A.R.E. Org.
http://members.tripod.com/~arescott/ECChart.html

Sometimes, people simply refuse when the proof is before their own eyes, to still deny.
I remember when the Phoenix UFO flew right over my street that night in March of 1997, and I told a man
walking his child in a stroller, to "look up", as I gaze above with my husband, and neighbors at this massive air
ship..........The man refused.
http://www.areclinic.org/caycereadings.asp?ReadingID=5&src=

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #14 - on: 06.10.2007 at 03:25 [UT+1] »It was a BIRTH CERTIFICATE he quoted in the book while he was AWAKE.
Not readings, readings.
The truth hurts.
Jim
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #15 - on: 06.10.2007 at 03:30 [UT+1] »My wonderful husband, (Libra Sun, Scorpio Rising)he seems to be that good at,went to work tonight, in an "investigative" way that only

and found the answer to which this conundrum seems to be based on.

Not sure, if these people discussing the birth time, have finally resoluted it, however,I have, and I'm sticking with Edgar's own reading..........HOWEVER, it "appears" quite likely, according to Gladys
Davis, (who knew him better then his own wife did), as his long suffering secretary, who is responsible for ALL
the record keeping, from day one, that she says, it's quite likely her boss "was influenced by the astrologers of
his day", who kept telling him he couldn't have been born at the time he thought he was born......
Remember, EDGAR was muteable, as a Pisces.
Here is the Link discussing the details of the problem:
birth data from EC and parents]" [0254/002#4]
Notably, Gladys' comment indicates her skepticism as to the veracity of the time given, which is an hour and ahalf off from what Cayce's father said. In a notation dated 27 November 1972, Gladys says:"No astrologer ever was satisfied with any of
the hours specified for his birth, so I would think that the original 2:30 P.M. one was the correct one, since
it was not wavered by anyone' s questioning of the time. I notice that in Thomas Sugrue's article...heuses 3:20 P.M. for Edgar Cayce's chart. So, apparently, there was quite a bit of fluctuation by
Edgar Cayce himself in reporting his birth time, due to
who tried to set it at a different point."

being influenced by different astrologer's

as for the statement, "He was Awake", LOL - he was also very strange!!,muiteable and agreeable, AND no doubt
confused.
I'm seriously beginning to wonder now, IF, indeed, his physical body arrived (like another poster mentioned,)
EARLIER, at the 1:30 or even 2:30 (depending on time zone), and the Psychic info on the Entrance of thisGreat Soul, known as Edgar Cayce, didn't actually ARRIVE, then until the 3:03 - 3:30PM , hence the exact
and precise answer as to the Astrology of his entrance? i.e. the soul entered AFTER the physical body.
So, both times, indeed may be correct.
But, I doubt sincerely that anyone other then myself, will concede this possibility, (Uranus in the 11th in Geminiis why I would)
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #16 - on: 06.10.2007 at 03:50 [UT+1] »Reference:
It was a BIRTH CERTIFICATE he quoted in the book while he was AWAKE.
Not readings, readings.
The truth hurts.

He was BORN in 1877, and the birth certificate MAY have been written up the NEXT day, (Mistakes were madeoften), that's why there are Rectification Charts.
Cannot truly be proved, one way OR another then. But I still prefer my above stated position, that BOTH times
were essentially, correct. Though it may be hard for the more material minded to comprehend this.

But for sure, there are many, (myself included), who stick with the readings, (not the ego self) of Edgar Cayce.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #17 - on: 07.10.2007 at 02:25 [UT+1] »I have always been naturally interested in this type of thing. I was taught about reincarnation as a very young
child, pre-Kindergarten, by my paternal grandmother, whom I was exceptionally close to and loved very much.
She died in 1976 when I was 21. She would have turned 61 later that year, so year of birth was 1915.
In recent years, I have tried to trace back exactly how and where she came up with her ideas.
Now I am not negating reincarnation here, it is just that the core of Edgar Cayce's teachings sound much likemy grandmother's. However, source material that she passed onto me were Rosicrucian and Theosophist, notPosts: 765
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I have experienced trance myself, and thought transference, so I do not think that not believing in Edgar Cayce
is because this is an aspect that I am missing in my own makeup. I'll admit I have no memory of past lives orprophetic abilities.
I picked up some ARE materials a few years ago, and frankly, it just didn't hook me in. I was unimpressed by
the medical remedies and the "readings" I came across were just kind of incoherent to me.
It is hard to find much written "against" Cayce, but a few researchers have suggested that possible sources for
Cayce's ideas are, besides varying Prostestant churches - the Rosicrucians, Helena Blavatsky and the
Theosophists, Christian Science, Spiritualism, Masons and other similar fraternities, a friend who was an
osteopath, even the Book of Mormon.
Here is a good, well researched, and I feel unbiased biography and commentary on Cayce, with an example ofone of Cayce's failed prophecies. (Parts 8-12 specifically show previous and established movements that appear
to have greatly influenced Cayce's readings and personal belief system.)
http://www.sociologyesoscience.com/esoterica/cbooks1.html

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Cayce appears to have spectacularly messed up. For example the notorious 1933 "Hitler reading," (3976-13), in which Hitler and the Nazis
are praised,(68) was given for an inquirer with pro-Nazi sympathies who eventually emigrated to Nazi Germany in an expression ofsolidarity with its policies. To their credit. the ARE has published this reading in several places without distorting the magnitude of Cayce's
blunder. Two of these imbed the reading within a commentary by Yonassan Gershom, a Hassidic rabbi from Minnasota.
68. In this reading Cayce describes Hitler as spiritually led. hails Nazism as "a new ideal in the hearts, in the minds of the people" ofGermany: approves of the one-party system as "the best for Germany at present": dismisses fears that Hitler would invade othercountries as "propaganda", and, in answer to a question about the Jews, hints darkly that "their rebelliousness and their seeking into theaffairs of others has rather brought them into their present situation." Elsewhere the Cayce readings are favorable toward Jews and criticalof fascism, so perhaps his comments here truly are anomalous.

Sometimes, people simply refuse when the proof is before their own eyes, to still deny.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #18 - on: 07.10.2007 at 02:50 [UT+1] »Ok, so what is my point? The chart from the birth certificate also shows Chiron, the wounded healer, in the
10th. Cayce made a career of being perceived as a healer, but where is the wound in Cayce?
I have thought about this and my own opinion is that Cayce had an ability to go into trance at will. This was
something that was so little understood in his day and this ability made him appear to be very mystical andotherworldly.

Someone who had access to special knowledge.

Cayce was raised strictly Christian. He was very attached to his Bible, reading it through once per year. It has
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how he made his living and it took on a life of its own.
Was he a bad man? No. Was he a gifted prophet? I don't think so. Did he know more about the ways of God
and the universe than you or I or any average person? Not that I can see, as none of his ideas seem to beoriginal.
I am not materialistic, nor lacking in spirituality; I just refuse to let anyone who is popularly proclaimed to be
an expert by the crowd to tell me that they are the ones who know esoteric spiritual secrets that no one else
has access to, and cannot have access to, unless their brains have somehow been altered. I feel this is where
this kind of teaching and thinking can become a little spiritually dangerous. But again, that's just my own
opinion and that is my concern.
Now we have a new generation of psychics. I know of two who claim to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce,
there are probably more. No doubt, atleast one of them is wrong. But this is the natural order of things when
the people demand a prophet.

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #19 - on: 07.10.2007 at 03:24 [UT+1] »As they always say (in America), "To each their own", (an old saying)......but always applies .
As for Hitler, it is true that in the early 30s, he saw Hitler as someone who could go "either direction", but
mostly, saw him as a personfication of a good person, who was even inspired.
I don't know that this is entirely incorrect.
I do know that Hitler, "Chose", with his own free will to go down the path of perdition.
Perhaps, it is so, that Edgar saw the "whole" or larger picture, not the smaller frame of the man.
Each has free will, from my understanding, and not everyone chooses well.

Look at G.W. Bush.

I don't know that the one - party system suggested , in the year he gave the reading, would not have been agood idea or a bad idea, as they were in a horrible economic situation in Germany at the time, (that year), anda one party system "may" have brought about a rapid necessary change.
Not a lot different then, from the suspension of a two-term Presidential Allowance, under conditions of War
might be "beneficial" to America, (which we did)with Roosevelt allowing him 4 terms and during the War years.
We cannot say that Edgar was false here, it was an "opinion" and many of us believe the opinions were from ahigher vantage point.,that saw far wider in scope then our meager perspective might envision.

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #20 - on: 07.10.2007 at 04:04 [UT+1] »I must say I am enjoying this dialog immensely,LOL!
I will comment maybe tomorrow.

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #21 - on: 07.10.2007 at 04:41 [UT+1] »Quote CindyLu - Here is a good, well researched, and I feel unbiased biography and commentary on Cayce, withan example of one of Cayce's failed prophecies. (Parts 8-12 specifically show previous and establishedmovements that appear to have greatly influenced Cayce's readings and personal belief system.)
http://www.sociologyesoscience.com/esoterica/cbooks1.html
Thanks CindyLu for the link. Very informative.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #22 - on: 07.10.2007 at 10:11 [UT+1] »Dear Tookie
Only one of the times is right. You only have one time just like me.
If cayce had uranus rising like me he would have caught on toreincarnation real fast. It took him a long time to be convinced that it was true. It took me a second. That's all.
Maybe it's just me.
Another thing is the ascendant is at 2 deg of leo. That is cusp area.
A combination of leo and cancer. The moon rules cancer. The moon is in taurus which governs the neck. It was
the paralysis of the neck that got him into the readings.
Isn't astrology amazing.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #23 - on: 07.10.2007 at 17:20 [UT+1] »Thanks for your thoughts. But I probably think about as "opposite" (180degrees) from this type of logic thatone person might be able to.
Still I enjoy hearing how others think and comprehend life.
Best, Tookies.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #24 - on: 07.10.2007 at 18:22 [UT+1] »I am no authority on Edgat Cayce,but my father read a lot about him.He was the one that I first told me about
the sleeping prophet.
While there might be area’s of his life subject to debate there is overwhelming evidence that he helped many
people of their ills weather they be after the comforts of life ,curing an ill or answering queries of past andfuture events he was what he says he was IMO.
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Not long ago there was a documentary I watched about his life.The following are the events which they detailed
that I remember.
He once was asked what was wrong with this girl who had been sent to a mental institution because her family
thought her to be deranged. While in the trance he stated that the girl had an abscessed tooth and if removed
she would lead a normal life again as there was nerve blocked or something that brought on the situation. They
found he was right.
In another instance when he was about to get onto an elevator he saw that the occupants had no aura
surrounding them.He said he would take the next elevator.The cable to the elevator snapped and all aboard
died.
He was analyzed by the studious people academia and they put him through agony. He swore to never allow
professionals to examine him again as for his ability.
I really can care less what might have been said about him or the correct time because he helped more people
than any of us will ever come close to here I imagine .We only see the likes of such people once a century if weare fortunate ,perhaps every 500yrs. as each generation has it’s seer’s and shaman and also each society has
their famous.He was more than that as he healed also. .
TookieThose that profess to have these abilities in this age seem to have a pronounced 7th emphasis as for theirability to see past our normal senses detect in a matter of speaking.There maybe 10 that I really do trust as
having their heightened ability to see through the normal doorway of reality. There are as many as 4 here that
I know of.
If one wishes to see what is correct I would think that it would be simple deduction .
What are 5 of his most personal events such as the birth of his son?
The time of his Marriage?
His time of death?
Lost of anyone truly close to him?
Illness? What were his that are written about?
If you find dates and even maybe times for important events of his life and not readings it would be of interest
to me.The institute or his library might have them.
Most all of the historical charts I have researched are almost always wrong. I know what he wrote. It was not an
official documented evidence .like what we do today
I do not trust those in 1877 telling us what the actual time was ,do you? What they go out and take a look at
the Sun dial? What was Hopkinsville using for a time zone?
I had this discussion with my first astrologer ,not about Cayce ,but times of historical figures.Records did notwork the way they keep them today unless the parents where into being exact or something.
Regarding the charts of historical figures. Those having such an impact and being in the public eye to theextent that Cayce was usually have a prominent placement of Uranus or an outer planet at the MC.The latter isalmost a given.Ne/Pl highly elevated with Uranus ASC conjunct makes more sense to me because Cayce was so
unusual.
I think 28Pisces rising anyway.
You mention in your second post Uranus conjunct Ascendant.That makes the best sense to me.After that you
can read the 4angles and see if the Sabian Symbols might correlate to what is correct also. Remember it says
conjunct ascendant and we do not know weather it was in the 1st or 12th.I am starting to think at the moment
seeing that he did not say 1st that it might have risen.
I can tell you that the preceding degree’s to the ascendant are very special and those having them emphasized
have a special mission that may not be of the benefit to humanity like the case of Hitler who had the sameplacement of Uranus.In other cases they may have pronounced medical problems they struggle with all theirlives.
I do not know weather you have studied Duality ,but everything in astrology is based on it.Afflictions can be
telling,but every aspect and body can have dual meaning depending on the individual,houses and planets tome. Some things I believe are predestined and other’s there is choice,
Murder is not predestined it is a choice I think. The murderer knows he is committing sin ,for lack of a better
word,.in most cases.Some are deranged.Some are evil.Others have choice ,but wish to fulfill something they
can not get so they kill for it.Sex,Power,Money next it might just be bread and water.
Many health issues are not of our choice is one thing. I struggle with the health houses and shy away fromtalking about them,but they come up in readings .I am just afraid to say the worst might befall you troughillness.I might ask how is your health or have there been any problems in that area now. Or the 8th. Whenafflicted heavily I try to stay clear of. It for some reason. Not that there is no good that comes out of thosehouses,but heavily afflicted seems to put a damper on thing especially if it’s an 8th-12th.or 9th-12th.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #25 - on: 07.10.2007 at 18:41 [UT+1] »The thing that makes Cayce so special is that we know of him whereas there are many holistic healers todaythat are not known to the general public that have done remarkable jobs healing the afflictions of many..
As for questioning reincarnation I also had to struggle with that .It was not until researching and hearing firsthand accounts that I was actually convinced as I do not see into past lives or how the Node Axis and Pluto work
into the equation.
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Recently a reporter had a guest that her Dr. claimed to be the reincarnation of Marilyn Monroe.Who knows! The
reporter smirked about it.
As for Edgar Cayce being reincarnated again I reallly do not think so.I think it was his last incarnation. He
learned the lessons in life and did not need to come back.It shows up in the Rx planets I think.Those having
many Rx are here to sort through Karmic issues they couod not resolve in past incarnations.Pluto and theNodes also play into this ,but to what degree I have no opinion on.
I see many astrologers that I feel do not look into the spiritual side of astrology and I do not think they have
had a transpersonal experience. Once they do then they will realize there is more then this temporal existanceand the physical world as we know it. We only see so much.
Who knows all the answers ,but the biggest mystery is not past lives anyway it is death.There is the fear of it
and there is the question of what happens after.
Hey,but this is all my conjecture from what I read and see.
And for those that are into Degree research I think all of the degrees have duality to them.None are
misfortunate unless the soul of the person is inclined to walk that way or do the negative. Neither are thehouses or aspects.They all can work for the benefit of the person with the exception of what is predestined tohappen such as illness which is sent by a higher power in the life in most cases.
Someone asked me why there is so much suffering .If there is a god why?
The answer I can only give is that we see and get closer to what is really of importance in life.It's not Money it's
our soul and seeing the reality of this temporal existance. We are only here a real short time although it seems
forever at the worst of times.
When things are good we wish they will last forever,but we need to have the hard times and sorrows in order to
see also.
That's just my take on it as there are philospher's that go far deeper to he question.
And imo the early asc of Leo makes sense.Uranus right before.

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #26 - on: 07.10.2007 at 18:48 [UT+1] »Here is a little info for your studies, AstralHealer:
What are 5 of his most personal events such as the birth of his son?
The time of his Marriage?
His time of death?
Lost of anyone truly close to him?
Illness? What were his that are written about?
If you find dates and even maybe times for important events of his life and not readings it would be of interest
to me.The institute or his library might have them.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------1)eldest son: Hugh Lynn Cayce born March 16th, 1907 at 3:15PM Bowling Green, Ky.
very important and germaine to this son, is the fact that due to a Huge Fire explosion in Cayce's Photography
Studio, Hugh lynn as a child, (in 1914) almost lost his eye due to blindness from the explosion.
Mr. Cayce, (at the express desperation of his wife), who heretofore, didn't want the grief anymore of giving
readings in these early days, gave in to the desperate pleas of his wife, and went into a trance to give what
eventually saved the eyesight for Hugh Lynn . No doctor said the eye could be saved prior to Cayce's
intervention.
I know it happened in 1914, and I'll try & get you the exact date.,by researching it. and I'm working
on getting you some other info you've outlined as well.
This would show up on his natal transits, as HUGELY important, as it was his first entrance again into a more
public life, which be (up to this point), abhored.
(There is a River, (by Thomas Sugrue) devotes 5 pages to this story and event, in Chapter 13)
from "Edgar Cayce's Photographic Legacy".........

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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #27 - on: 07.10.2007 at 19:13 [UT+1] »2nd child born died, and Edgar blamed hiimself, for not giving a reading "quick enough"......(Edgar was very
young then,and quite afraid of all the ridicule & torture of giving readings)
Milton Porter Cayce, born & died within 2months........in 1911
Ref: http://www.edgarcayce.org/edgar-cayce2.html
3rd Child Born: Edgar Evans Cayce Born: Feb 9th, 1918, (still alive today)and recently handed over the
A.R.E.to his son Charles Thomas Cayce, (this grandson's birth was the first for the Cayce's, so important tothem as well...He was the son of Hugh Lynn (the 1st son): Charles Thomas Cayce was born:
you can see the importance of baby Charles Thomas birth, by the expression of this letter:10/7/42 EC gave Life Reading 2824-1 for the baby son of Hugh
Lynn and Sally Cayce when he was four hours old!

Born October 7, 1942, 7:05 A. M., EWT., St. Vincent's Hospital, Norfolk, Virginia.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #28 - on: 07.10.2007 at 20:14 [UT+1] »Quote:
We only see the likes of such people once a century if we are fortunate ,perhaps every 500yrs. as each generation has it’s seer’s andshaman and also each society has their famous.He was more than that as he healed also.

In fairness, it really depends in which circle you travel. I wonder how many here have heard of Ellen G. White
who was more or less contemporary with Cayce?

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http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blcereal.htm
to Loma Linda University Hospital and research into cutting edge medical technology http://www.llu.edu/
The only problem is that indepth research into Mrs. White's writings reveal plagarism from previously publishedauthors. But all in all, she has helped many more people than any of us will ever hope to.
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/
Similar things might be said about Mary Baker Eddy founder of Christian Science:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Eddy

Joseph Smith, prophet of the Church of Latter Day Saints upon whose teachings the entire state of Utah cameinto being:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith
or Aimee Semple McPherson, founder of the Four Square Churches who has documented healings on record:
Quote:
Though there were some notable healings documented under McPherson's ministry, one of McPherson's biographers, Daniel Epstein (thoughextremely sympathetic to her), admitted that those healed were "mostly diseases of the immune system, or attributed to hysteria." Hesaid:"Sister Aimee is not credited with raising anyone from the dead, correcting a harelip or cleft palate, or restoring a missing limb, digit,
or internal organ" (Epstein, Sister Aimee, New York: Harcourt, Brace Jovanovich, 1993, p. 112).

http://www.gospelgrace.com/falseprophets/aimeesemple/aimeesemplemcpherson.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Semple_McPherson
This does call into question how many of the illnesses are documented as verifiably real and if the cure was also
verifiably real and lasting, or was it psychosomatic (the mind affecting the body) to begin with.
In fact, this type of thing is very common, just among the Christian community, let alone the "new age"community:
http://www.gospelgrace.com/falseprophets/falseprophets.html
Quote:
Here is a list of quotes from leaders in the Third Wave and "counterfeit" revival movements. This page will provide you the documented
evidence you need to determine whether or not the people listed on this page are teaching false doctrine and/or making false prophesies.
This page includes quotes from: A.A. Allen, John Arnott, John Avanzini, William Branham, Paul Cain, Charles Capps, Morris Cerullo, Paul
Yonggi Cho, Randy Clark, Jack Coe, Kenneth Copeland, Paul Crouch, Jack Deere, Kenneth Hagin, Marilyn Hickey, Steve Hill, Benny Hinn,
Rodney Howard-Browne, Rick Joyner, Essek Kenyon, John Kilpatrick, Kathryn Kuhlman, Aimee Semple McPherson, Earl Paulk, Peter
Popoff, Fred Price, Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson, John Scotland, Robert Tilton, and John Wimber. Click on their name to go to their quotes.
They are arranged in alphabetical order.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/quotes.html#McPherson
It's up to each person to think upon and decide why would any of the above mentioned good and helpful
persons would want to promulgate false prophecies and healings. I say good and helpful because no doubt
some individuals have been helped or healed by the above prophets and I suppose if even just one was helped,
it is worth it in the end. But to make it seem that Edgar Cayce was someone unique in this field is just not
factual.
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Re: New Chart of Edgar Cayce« Reply #29 - on: 07.10.2007 at 22:43 [UT+1] »Back onto the Astrology portion of the thread, in keeping with the thread's original intent:other avenues as to the important events to check AstroHealer, would be posisbly:
Death of Edgar......can be found on this link with other time lines for you to aid your study of his chart
1945 - Death of Edgar Cayce January 3. - Death of Gertrude Evans Cayce April 1.
(his wife Gertrude, it is said, died of a broken heart, only 3 months practically to the day of Edgar's passing.
I hope my husband & I go quickly within the same time frame too.....
http://www.westernkyhistory.org/christian/cayce.html
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