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Ariel1
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« on: 11.04.2007 at 01:15 [UT+1] »I was thinking, that when the Sun is repressed for example, for women in the past, or even for many women in
non-western countries even today, the Sun gets expressed through their father, husband, and sons; as well asfigures of authority.

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Gender:I was thinking that maybe even "god" or the son of god, is an expression of when the Sun is repressed within
us, and we need to worship something, without realising that it is our own Sun that we need to honour.
Also it's interesting that in Britain, it's the working classes, who at the biggest supporters of monarchy, becauseof the rigidity of the class system means that they can't express their own Sun in their own lives, so they turnto royalty as a way of expressing their Sun.
Maybe celebrity worship is an example of the same thing.

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Ariel1

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« Reply #1 - on: 11.04.2007 at 02:17 [UT+1] »LOL ...That is absolutely priceless. Thank you Blue Hills.
Yes, women in Islamic countries would find it very hard to express their Suns. Women in Saudi Arabia can'teven leave their homes without a male chaperone, such as a father or other male relative. How on earth canPosts: 926
Gender:you *shine* when you are all dressed alike and covered up in black cloth? It would be a living death.

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Amber
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« Reply #2 - on: 11.04.2007 at 02:22 [UT+1] »I read Liz Greene say this same thing in one of her books with Howard Sasportas. Spot on.

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« Reply #3 - on: 11.04.2007 at 04:02 [UT+1] »Quote from Sharon on 11.04.2007 at 01:15 [UT+1]:
I was thinking, that when the Sun is repressed for example, for women in the past, or even for many women in non-western countries

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« Reply #4 - on: 11.04.2007 at 04:17 [UT+1] »I think the Sun becomes very dangerous when repressed, women or men. Living through others, ie: yourhusband is NOT in the Sun's best interests, no matter how humble your sun sign may be. Hillary Clinton
springs to mind as an example of repressed solar flare borne through living through your husband, just burning
to be set free.
Sharon: I think your comments about the UK reflect very well the current UK chart: the Moon in Leo means"the people" are synonymous with monarchy. I think Saturn on the national ascendant adequately reflects yourcomments on a rigid nation.
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« Reply #5 - on: 12.04.2007 at 02:49 [UT+1] »I'm not disagreeing with you, but just to state a different point of view - some people actually like to keep their
Sun hidden. I was reading an article in doctor's office magazine - it was a bit celebrity, a bit pop-psychology anda bit science. Anyway, in it there was an interview with Hugh Laurie (who I recently mentioned in another post
on films), and he said that he doesn't like having his picture taken. I can't remember his exact words but it was
something like "when you have your photo taken, you lose a little bit of your soul".
I can relate to that, in that I feel more comfortable using the name "Blue Hills" and not posting my photo.
Apart from the fact that these new digital cameras show every single wrinkle, I feel better able to express mySun when it is diffused through the fuzziness of Neptune ( I have them conjunct).
So, maybe, IMO, the aspects to our Sun, can show where we are repressed or not, but could alternatively show
us the best way to express our higher self and creativity in this particular life time.
Getting back to religious repression. I have often pondered the (1940s) Holocaust. How is that people wereborn in Germany, Poland and other European countries on the same day and possibly the same time, so thatthey had very similar birth charts, but some of them ended up as abusers and repressors, and others ended up
as victims or repressed. The difference seems less to do with astrology and more to do with ancestry andpredjudice. Unless someone can show that all the victims of the Holocaust had some sort of planetary signature
which made them victims.
If there were a planetary signature, which perhaps could go either way, pointing to abuser or victim, than I
would expect that aspect have maybe Pluto (power, control) or Saturn or some outer planet combination in it. I
don't know if just aspects to the Sun would say much, because wound't wars and predjudice be more tied up
with the generational inluences of the outer planets.
In "The Outer Planets", Liz Greene goes into the horoscope of Hitler in quite a lot of detail. From what I canremember, she puts a lot of weight on the fact his Pluto - Neptune conjunction of the 1880s was a stand -alone
aspect with no flowing aspects, so that the only way it could really express itself was through the mass mind of
the German people. Well, maybe we could discuss all this in anther post.
As for Britain, bloody hell, where did you get that 1927 chart from? I thought we were still back in 1066 withthe Capricorn Sun, Aries rising one ??
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Ariel1
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« Reply #6 - on: 12.04.2007 at 03:06 [UT+1] »Hi Blue Hills
It's not about whether or not you want to keep your Sun hidden, but whether or not you repress the energiesof that Sun.
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Gender:With the Hugh Laurie example, just say that even though he wanted to be an actor, he repressed that idea forwhatever reason, and did something else even though he wanted to be an actor.
Not wanting to have his photo taken, could just be another way of expressing his Sun, but it's not a repression
unless he's refusing to live out his Sun.

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« Reply #7 - on: 12.04.2007 at 09:42 [UT+1] »Hoping I've got the hang of the 'quote' thing!
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Gender:there was an interview with Hugh Laurie (who I recently mentioned in another post on films), and he said that he doesn't like having hispicture taken. I can't remember his exact words but it was something like "when you have your photo taken, you lose a little bit of yoursoul".

Didn't the tribesman of early civilisations say the same when pioneers with cameras wanted to photo them?
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Getting back to religious repression. I have often pondered the (1940s) Holocaust. How is that people were born in Germany, Poland andother European countries on the same day and possibly the same time, so that they had very similar birth charts, but some of them ended
up as abusers and repressors, and others ended up as victims or repressed. The difference seems less to do with astrology and more to dowith ancestry and predjudice. Unless someone can show that all the victims of the Holocaust had some sort of planetary signature which
made them victims.

I think it has also a lot to do with what Jeff Green refers to as 'the herd state'; just doing what you're told.
I followed a 'simple' psychology course and obviously this subject was part of it. The 'technical' term for thedifference between the victim-abuser status seemed to be 'survival'. It it's between'me' and 'him', people will often do the most abhorrant things to save their own hides.
Quote:In "The Outer Planets", Liz Greene goes into the horoscope of Hitler in quite a lot of detail. From what I can remember, she puts a lot ofweight on the fact his Pluto - Neptune conjunction of the 1880s was a stand -alone aspect with no flowing aspects, so that the only way itcould really express itself was through the mass mind of the German people. Well, maybe we could discuss all this in anther post.

I believe she also made the point of this conjunction being in his 8th house .....mass destruction!
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As for Britain, bloody hell, where did you get that 1927 chart from? I thought we were still back in 1066 with the Capricorn Sun, Aries
rising one ??

Or the 1.01.1801 chart.
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Alan Knox
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« Reply #8 - on: 13.04.2007 at 00:36 [UT+1] »The 1927 chart for the current United Kingdom dates the first recognition of the departure of southern Irelandfrom the Union established in 1801, and thus is the chart for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland. the 1801 chart is the chart for the UK of GB and Ireland while the 1066 should be used for the historyof England up until the union of England and Scotland in 1707. These prior charts basically describe currently
non-existant nations.
I've found the 1927 chart works EXTREMELY well in both tracking transits and generally describing the natureof the British character. The Moon-Neptune conjunction describes a basically empathetic nation whose notionof home is synonymous with royalty. Saturn was conjunct the Moon-Neptune conjunction in Leo recently when
Helen Mirren won an Oscar for her portrayal of a British monarch (Moon-Neptune-Leo; female monarchs in film,Saturn; recognition) and transiting Saturn was conjunct the Sun in sidereal Pisces when Princess Diana died andthe subsequent outpouring of grief and emotion (Saturn-Sun in Pisces) Pluto in Gemini and Saturn on theascendant in Scorpio indicates a nation which has in the past lost thousands of men to the bloodshed of war
while the Moon on the 8th/9th house cusp represents a nation which will fight to the death to achieve aphilosophical freedom of life. Also the 8th/9th house Moon represents that in the past, the nation lived anddied abroad regarding issues of joint resources and finances ("No taxation without representation") Sun in
Pisces in house 4 indiactes that, at the time, the nations role as "mother" to the world was coming to an end.
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« Reply #9 - on: 13.04.2007 at 02:08 [UT+1] »Hi Alan,
Thanks for posting the 1927 chart and correlations to past and present events. I'm afraid I have one bigquestion: If we're going to use a "modern chart" for Great Britain/United Kingdom, because the 1066 chart justrepresents England, then by the same reasoning, American astrologers should use a new chart for the U.S.A.,
because the 1776 Philadelphia chart also represents an "old" country (the 13 original colonies), and the newcountry has many more states.
Also the 8th/9th house Moon represents that in the past, the nation lived and died abroad regarding issues ofjoint resources and finances ("No taxation without representation") Rather than looking for things that
happened in the past, before 1927, wouldn't it make more sense astrologically to look at an older chart and try
to predict forward?
This discussion really should go in a separate thread, don't you think? Hows about I start one?
Here it is:
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?lang=e&num=1176426937/0
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