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Shakkia
MemberLegalities« on: 23.01.2020 at 02:01 [UT] »Can you sue an astrologer for libel?
If you recognize your chart and statements,
in this case written and published, made that are
not true.
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Dobro

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Re: Legalities« Reply #1 - on: 23.01.2020 at 04:12 [UT] »Libel is 'a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation'.
How can an astrological interpretation be construed as 'a published false statement that is damaging to aperson's reputation'?
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Shakkia
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Re: Legalities« Reply #2 - on: 23.01.2020 at 16:25 [UT] »The "interpretation" was based on "facts" that
weren't true...

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Re: Legalities« Reply #3 - on: 23.01.2020 at 19:46 [UT] »I am *so* not an expert in all matters legal, but I imagine that the lawyer would have to prove that there wasintentional misrepresentation on the part of the astrologer. How could that be proved?

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Re: Legalities« Reply #4 - on: 23.01.2020 at 23:02 [UT] »Again, Libel is a PUBLISHED untruth which has been proven to hurt your reputation. And it would have to be
published with YOUR name so that there would be NO question of who is being discussed.
A "reading" is NOT a contract which says that you will like everything the astrologer says or advises.
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You are an adult and by asking for a reading you are implying that you are ready to hear whatever theastrologer says. The amount of experience that particular astrologer has will affect the accuracy of the reading.
And the astrologer cannot know the "truth" about anything pertinent to the people involved if she/he is not
told.
OR if the astrologer is LIED to that will affect the reading because an astrologer is NOT a psychic and is not amind reader. If any party who asks for a reading doesn't do so with the intention of being honest then one
cannot expect the reading to be accurate.
If someone specific asks about YOU thru your chart and it is published, then you may be able to bring some
sort of action against THAT person....the one who ASKED for the reading, if that person has intended YOU
harm.
The sue the astrologer would mean that you could prove a personal bias against you from the astrologer,
meaning the astrologer would have to know you personally.
You would have to prove "malice."That is the short answer.
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Shakkia

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Re: Legalities« Reply #5 - on: 24.01.2020 at 01:43 [UT] »Short respose....
Yes she knows me though hasn't had any
interaction with me for almost 20 years...
I did not ask for a reading....
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Gender:She used my chart in an article she wrote...
She knew it was my chart...I of course recognized
it....
I appreciate your response... it helps to clarify...
It was unquestionably maliciuos...

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Dobro
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Re: Legalities« Reply #6 - on: 24.01.2020 at 03:48 [UT] »Interesting. *You* recognized your chart, but if she didn't use your name with the chart, then presumably
nobody knew it was you that was being referenced, so it wasn't libel. What a bitch. But not a libellous bitch.

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Re: Legalities« Reply #7 - on: 24.01.2020 at 04:08 [UT] »Thanks Dobro...you summed it up...
A bitch....but not a libelous one...
I think I'll be able to let it go now andstop reading what she writes....It's hard..
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Gender:I watched her father do the same thing...
Air personal vedettas using an astrologicalplatform...I like the study of astrology...
The professional practice of it since it is unregulatablemeans the regulating factor is the integrity andemotion health of the astrologer...

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Re: Legalities« Reply #8 - on: 24.01.2020 at 23:39 [UT] »I have to say that in all the MANY years I have read all sorts of books, articles and other ways, I have neverseen this happen. The astrologer would have to have a BIG platform to continue to use the same charts again
and again and not have it be redundant.

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I also have never known an astrologer to be malicious in his/her writings when writing articles about some
aspect of astrology.
So this is not a situation one comes across in general.
Yes, I would just not read her stuff. It's like when a drama or film critic hates a film or performance. Even theactor or producer can't sue the critic and that IS very personal AND it definitely can harm the person's future
earnings and rep.
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Re: Legalities« Reply #9 - on: 25.01.2020 at 01:20 [UT] »Very interesting query.
Depending where you live, you might be able to sue for 'emotional distress' but the burden of proof on yourend would be monumental.
1. You would have to prove that the chart that they are publishing & commenting on is your chart (they willstate that it's not & that will be that).
In order to prove it, you would have to have direct communication from them via email/report/tape recording& that the commentary is very, very similar or exact.
Then you would have to prove how their actions have caused harm to you. A very difficult burden of proof.
Being 'upset & angry' not going to win the legal argument.
What you could do is report them to any astrological association they belong to. If they are 'well known'
report them to all of them.
Even if nothing can be done on a 'criminal' level, what they are doing is highly unethical, immoral, vindictive,
nasty & cruel. Who knows if they have done a similar thing before & hurt others. Maybe you are the one thatneeds to step forward to reveal them for who they are. Maybe they could be discredited in the astrology
community & lose the 'right' to give client readings.
Their actions are horrible. Report them anonymously if you feel like it & know that for every action there is areaction & they will 'get their karma' one day. Might not be with you but it will come back to them.
All the best.

Quote from Shakkia on 23.01.2020 at 02:01 [UT]:
Can you sue an astrologer for libel?
If you recognize your chart and ss,
in this case written and published, made that arenot true.

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Shakkia
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Re: Legalities« Reply #10 - on: 25.01.2020 at 01:36 [UT] »Oh it was a BIG platform.... top 1% in the field according to Wikipedia....astrological hall of fame...I want tothankyourself and Dobro for taking the time to respond....it really did help...
Also it wasn't a malicious aspect of astrology...and herein lies the "stickyness"of it ....it was using a very
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Gender:definitive astrological paradigm and using my chart and supposed actions I took and things I said in order to"demonstrate" how the paradigm works....but I didn't take the actions nor say the things I was quoted assaying...

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Re: Legalities« Reply #11 - on: 28.01.2020 at 20:48 [UT] »Quote from ZenTenn on 25.01.2020 at 01:20 [UT]:
Very interesting query.
Depending where you live, you might be able to sue for 'emotional distress' but the burden of proof on your end would be monumental.

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1. You would have to prove that the chart that they are publishing & commenting on is your chart (they will state that it's not & that willbe that).
In order to prove it, you would have to have direct communication from them via email/report/tape recording & that the commentary isvery, very similar or exact.

Then you would have to prove how their actions have caused harm to you. A very difficult burdenof proof. Being 'upset & angry' not going to win the legal argument.
What you could do is report them to any astrological association they belong to. If they are 'well known' report them to all of them.
Even if nothing can be done on a 'criminal' level, what they are doing is highly unethical, immoral, vindictive, nasty & cruel. Who knows ifthey have done a similar thing before & hurt others. Maybe you are the one that needs to step forward to reveal them for who they are.
Maybe they could be discredited in the astrology community & lose the 'right' to give client readings.
Their actions are horrible. Report them anonymously if you feel like it & know that for every action there is a reaction & they will 'gettheir karma' one day. Might not be with you but it will come back to them.
All the best.

Quote from Shakkia on 23.01.2020 at 02:01 [UT]:
Can you sue an astrologer for libel?
If you recognize your chart and ss,
in this case written and published, made that arenot true.

This is the Crux... Unless you can prove monetary harm, which is very difficult, you would not receive
monetary damage.
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Shakkia
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Re: Legalities« Reply #12 - on: 29.01.2020 at 15:18 [UT] »It was never an issue of money...I wanted theportion of the article that used my chart removed.

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Re: Legalities« Reply #13 - on: 29.01.2020 at 15:55 [UT] »Are you going to name and shame this astrologer with the big platform fortheir unethical use of your natal chart to prove their confirmation bias.
A scientist would never get away with skewing data to create a false positive, right?
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Shakkia
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Re: Legalities« Reply #14 - on: 29.01.2020 at 16:13 [UT] »I don't see any value in that....

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Re: Legalities« Reply #15 - on: 29.01.2020 at 16:20 [UT] »Quote from Shakkia on 29.01.2020 at 15:18 [UT]:
It was never an issue of money...I wanted theportion of the article that used my chart removed.

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In that case it would still be very difficult to prove it was your Chart. You can get a lawyer, ask for a cease anddesist order. But in this case the article has already been published, you most likely would be met withresistance from this person. In other words, if he/she was speaking to people, giving lectures for example,
he/she may stop that easily and w/o much cost or care. But making a retraction may hurt her/his reputation,
something he/she would most likely fight given the difficulty you would have to prove your case. So it depends
on how much money you have and are willing to spend to fight this.
If true, it seems only you know the chart is yours, she hasn't published your name. So what harm do you feel
this has caused?

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Re: Legalities« Reply #16 - on: 29.01.2020 at 16:25 [UT] »Seems to be riff raff over mostly nothing, if the person is not speaking personally using any names oridentifying YOU as a person, then it's just you thinking you are owed something, it is just data of a birth, it
could be anyone's birth.
Someone could use mine for example, but it may not be my chart that was used since i am not the only person
on Earth with my chart.
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Re: Legalities« Reply #17 - on: 30.01.2020 at 15:20 [UT] »Quote from Shakkia on 29.01.2020 at 16:13 [UT]:

I don't see any value in that....

You see no value in being a whistle-blower so that others can use caution around this astrologer, whoaccording to you, is doing the same thing that her astrologer father had done?
Hmm...that narrows down the field - father/daughter astrologers.

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Re: Legalities« Reply #18 - on: 30.01.2020 at 22:25 [UT] »Quote from Shakkia on 24.01.2020 at 01:43 [UT]:Short respose....
Yes she knows me though hasn't had anyinteraction with me for almost 20 years...
I did not ask for a reading....
She used my chart in an article she wrote...
She knew it was my chart...I of course recognized
it....
I appreciate your response... it helps to clarify...
It was unquestionably maliciuos...

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Gender:They needed to receive permission.. Your chart is yours. Noel Tyl always asked for their permission. Most
ethical astrologers would.
Lots of famous charts are discussed.. Permission is a good question.

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Re: Legalities« Reply #19 - on: 31.01.2020 at 05:01 [UT] »[quote author=Maryb link=1579744899/0#18 date=1580423107]Quote from Shakkia on 24.01.2020 at
01:43 [UT]:They needed to receive permission.. Your chart is yours. Noel Tyl always asked for their permission. Most ethical astrologers would.

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Lots of famous charts are discussed.. Permission is a good question.

It's a courtesy to ask to use someone's chart in what you publish. I would have thought that was standardpractice. But it's a travesty (what a dramatic word!) to do an interpretation based on facts that aren't true,
especially if those facts are unflattering to the person involved. How unflattering? And worthy of possible legal
action? Juicy!

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