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Krista ShippMemberLife After Death Theory« on: 27.03.2012 at 18:22 [UT+1] »What do you think of this ??
How do you interpret it?
What astrology tie-in do you glean?

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #1 - on: 27.03.2012 at 18:28 [UT+1] »& related- quite interesting- both personal & mundane
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/articles/id/spiritualresearch/spiritu
alscience/sattva_raja_tama

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #2 - on: 28.03.2012 at 06:14 [UT+1] »Krista- This is deep. I'm going to need some time to process this all. You and this information activated my 9thhouse...as T D is just about conjunct it's cusp, and T F is exactly m C in the 8th...
I'll get back to you on this one...eventually! Perspective...that's for sure.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #3 - on: 28.03.2012 at 10:48 [UT+1] »I am very interested in the spiritual side of astrology especially being a medium. Looking into the history ofastrology it wasn't seen in a psychological way, it looked at a birth chart as a map of your soul not just in thislife time.
It's only more modern astrology where it's about personality, the ancients looked for omens, or how theplanetary patterns at birth affected their life and what did 'fate' have in store for them.
Many are talking about lords or gods of your chart, they actually meant entities ruled you, those energies wherepart of you.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #4 - on: 28.03.2012 at 11:51 [UT+1] »It has to do with sedna, orcus OR10, maybe other plutinos.
Thomas would turn over in his grave.
Jesus proved that it existed.
Reincarnation proves it. see Edgar Cayce
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #5 - on: 28.03.2012 at 17:30 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 27.03.2012 at 18:22 [UT+1]:
What do you think of this ??
How do you interpret it?
What astrology tie-in do you glean?
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/articles/id/spiritualresearch/spiritu alscience/afterdeathKSS

in vedic astrology the 12th house decides where you go after life. The ruler of 12th house is here important. If
the ruler of twelveth is in his own sign or exalted it means you go to heaven. there are other signs too, but thatis the only one I clearly remember.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #6 - on: 28.03.2012 at 19:12 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 27.03.2012 at 18:22 [UT+1]:
What do you think of this ??
How do you interpret it?
What astrology tie-in do you glean?
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/articles/id/spiritualresearch/spiritu alscience/afterdeath
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Some it is comparable to the kabalistic Tree Of Life, which is supposed to be a map of consciousness, humanand divine, and also a theory of how the soul returns to its source, both in life and after death:
http://www.bota.ocrg/door.html
In this symbolism, the 10 sephiroth or spheres of consciousness correspond to the "inner holy planets", orIndian chakras, which in turn correspond to the outer planets in our solar system. The planetary symbols canbe seen on the spheres, with their corresponding colors in the Western Mystery system.
What is commonly known as hell in Catholicism would be Yesod, or the Foundation world of the astral layer ofconsciousness. It is better known as purgatory, and we are in it right here in life, as well as after death. It is thepattern or habit layer of consciousness, which should (in theory) be worked upon as much as possible while weare alive to bring it under control.
The higher Christ Consciousness (the yellow sphere Tiphareth) is the integrating level that we can achieve bothin life and after death, after we've combined all the upper and lower states of consciousness. Like the Sun, it is
the integrating factor between the non-material essence of life, energy, space, time etc, the philosophicalconcepts like Mercy and Justice, the lower personality levels of intellect and emotion, and the very dense
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #7 - on: 28.03.2012 at 23:00 [UT+1] »"Our visible Sun is but the mirror in which are reflected the Rays of energy from the Spiritual Sun, the real Sun
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #8 - on: 29.03.2012 at 00:03 [UT+1] »Quote from A Darker Star on 28.03.2012 at 06:14 [UT+1]:

D is justKrista- This is deep. I'm going to need some time to process this all. You and this information activated my 9th house...as T
about conjunct it's cusp, and T
is exactly
in the 8th...

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I'll get back to you on this one...eventually! Perspective...that's for sure.

Yes- I read it quite a few times before I decided to post the link...
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responded.
I am not too familiar with Vedic astrology- but many of the terms used seem to e related..
Much to think about

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #9 - on: 29.03.2012 at 08:38 [UT+1] »I could wish that a 'spiritual' source was more compassionate and less condemning of those who commit
suicide. The paragraph about spending 60,000 years in isolation after committing suicide is, presumably,
supposed to serve as a deterrent, but in fact, it's this kind of grim, compassionless, traditionalist, patriarchal
rhetoric that drives people away from religions and faith in the first place. People want and need acceptance,lack of judgement, and compassion, not to be told that if they are so miserable and depressed that they feelcompelled to take their life, they were going to do it anyway; it was their 'moment of death' coming up to meetthem as they were coming through the rye.
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What if my friend who committed suicide last year, and the other millions of souls who have left this planet,wanted to find a good reason to stay? The tautology of predestination ("he was meant to commit suicide atthat moment, he just did what he was going to do anyway") is far too facile an 'out' for spiritual-types torecline lazily into. It's another way out of taking responsibility for one's actions NOW, not 60,000 years fromnow; another way of saying "he deserved it, but we bear no responsibility for making this earth so shitty people
want to leave it".
Here's the section I'm talking about:
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/articles/id/spiritualresearch/spiritu
alscience/afterdeath#7
It's just too judgemental for me, and Judeo-Christian tradition is already far too judgemental as it is. We needa spirituality based on compassion and acceptance, not another set of beliefs based on a punitive system thatmakes the afterlife sound like a gulag.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #10 - on: 29.03.2012 at 09:19 [UT+1] »Fab thread Krista.
I'm going to enjoy this one.
I have A m G in my 8th and the fear of death actually rules my life.
However, I do believe that we have lived before. Again, this debate goes back far, remember my soul thread~ I think there are new souls/old souls and I think we meet people in this life from previous lives and withsome of those people, we have karmic debts to repay or even finish.
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I had a past life regression a couple of years ago and my mom in this life was my daughter in that life. My uncle
in this life was my brother in that life. I saw my death. I died of pneaumonia (forgive the spelling).
Even though I believe that we have lived before and will live again, death and dying still scare me and I love
living. Ok this life has had it's ups and downs and probably more downs than ups if i'm honest, but I still love
life and I thank God and my Guardian Angels each morning for letting me wake up to see and live another day
and then when I go to bed I thank them for the good and the bad i've experienced that day.
I also have J in my 12th which p my A G m.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me and i'm not going to defend my beliefs either. We will all have ourown personal beliefs and that is what makes us the individuals we are.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #11 - on: 29.03.2012 at 09:54 [UT+1] »What is interesting is where they have placed the soul on that one piccy.
I don't feel my soul is that high up. I think of the soul, well my soul more in the pit of my stomach. I believethat is where I get my gut instincts from.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #12 - on: 29.03.2012 at 10:15 [UT+1] »I am wondering did Bill Gates donate to them or something
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/articles/id/spiritualresearch/spiritu
alscience/Bill_Gates?
Rapid further progress by donating: By donating the acquired wealth, one is liberated even from the thoughtsof achievement and one progresses faster. Bill Gates is an excellent example of this. He is an example of a great
evolving soul.
So donating a bunch of money will make you a great evolving soul? I am sure if we all had mass amount ofmoney most people would love to donate to others. I fail to see how money a worldly item has anything to dowith evolving and good deeds.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #13 - on: 29.03.2012 at 10:16 [UT+1] »Quote from ~ Louise ~ on 29.03.2012 at 09:54 [UT+1]:
What is interesting is where they have placed the soul on that one piccy.
I don't feel my soul is that high up. I think of the soul, well my soul more in the pit of my stomach. I believe that is where I get my gut
instincts from.

It's an interesting exercise to ask to be connected to your higher self, and also ask your body where your soulis. When I did it I got a feeling around my heart chakra, which is not where I expected it
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #14 - on: 29.03.2012 at 18:06 [UT+1] »I agree with BEYOND THE STARS very much...
This is NOT at all what I Believe

This article, is to me- both provocative & daunting.. ME:
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H-!2 holds E ( rules MC) d m O (ruler of emptyH8) d...so ??????
Maybe we can find a similar site thats a bit more optimistic ?
KristaI am very sensitive to suicide- as my best friend lost her 27 yo son this way..
I Believe that these souls stay in a 'limbo' of sorts' until theyreach the cronological age they were meant to....
IF there is a Supreme Being or Force- I like to think there
is much more Love & Compassionn than shown on that site..

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #15 - on: 29.03.2012 at 22:44 [UT+1] »60,000 years?
Only thing is, I didn't think there was any concept of time in the afterlife. Time doesn't even exist there, fromwhat I've read.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #16 - on: 29.03.2012 at 22:53 [UT+1] »Read an interesting book only recently, called "Your Soul's Plan" by Robert Schwartz, and the version of theafterlife written in there sounds more like from this thread:
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1332684938
Quote from Summer on 25.03.2012 at 15:15 [UT+1]:
I would rather live in the world of no technical devices, no plants and animals, just in the world of souls. Peacefull, no "stronger survives"

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Gender:battles, no death, no new life. Just endless existing souls, floating peacefully in the opened, yet cozy space. No feelings, just existance.
No positivity or negativity, just balance. Just being there in the moment for ever.

It's a very compelling book, I would definitely recommend reading it. Easy to read, although much harder todigest!
Google books - your soul's plan Robert Schwartz
EDIT TO ADD: it mentioned in the same book, and other's I have read as well (Judy Hall's books being one ofmany) that suicides never end up in some kind of purgatory or limbo at all, rather that they incarnate very
quickly into a next life here on Earth - there's a very short space of time between that life and the next one. But
they would need to go through - and overcome - the same issues that 'caused' them to end their lives in the"last" life, karmic lessons to learn, etc.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #17 - on: 29.03.2012 at 22:59 [UT+1] »Quote from ~ Louise ~ on 29.03.2012 at 09:19 [UT+1]:
I had a past life regression a couple of years ago and my mom in this life was my daughter in that life. My uncle in this life was mybrother in that life. I saw my death. I died of pneaumonia (forgive the spelling).

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Gender:Quite intrigued by this, in recent years, I've been curious about having a Past Life Regression. Did you go to ahypnotherapist, or was it done from a psychic reading?
And did the pneumonia have an effect on your present life, ie fear of choking/suffocation, for instance?

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #18 - on: 29.03.2012 at 23:08 [UT+1] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 29.03.2012 at 22:59 [UT+1]:

Quite intrigued by this, in recent years, I've been curious about having a Past Life Regression. Did you go to a hypnotherapist, or was it
done from a psychic reading?
And did the pneumonia have an effect on your present life, ie fear of choking/suffocation, for instance?

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I went to an Reiki Healer but she did past life regression too. I can still see it all and remember it now. I wasborn in 1886.
I think my fear of choking is to do with another past life which I haven't yet got to.
I also believe that my connection with G is from a past life too. I believe that in a past life I treated him very
badly and hurt him and that is why in this life time, I can't be with him and why we have never been able to be
together. His Natal 12th D is exactly on my 6th house 12 a N. The other odd thing is that as soon as I saw
him, I just felt like i'd known him before. I know it sounds weird but I just can't explain it.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #19 - on: 29.03.2012 at 23:17 [UT+1] »Wow, I never knew the reiki healers could do PLR as well!
It doesn't sound weird at all, I've read in loads of books (I read a lot, don't I
Maybe too much sometimes Fc) that if you have that feeling that you have known a person before, even if you just met them, it is certainthat there is a karmic past life connection, maybe even several past lives.
I've had the same feeling with my current partner, a former partner, and even some close friends as well. It isdifficult to explain I agree.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #20 - on: 30.03.2012 at 05:49 [UT+1] »I've explored this reincarnation site quite a bit:
http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=reincarnation-evidence-past-lives-life-resea rch-home&hl=
There are many true stories on there. One of the most convincing is the one of Barbro Karlen, the reincarnationof Anne Frank.
I assume most of you are familiar with the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson, who researched thousands of cases ofreincarnation. He is deceased now, but his work is being continued at the University of Virginia. Stevenson's
careful documentation has pretty much eliminated all arguments against reincarnation, at least in my mind.
http://www.medicine.virginia.edu/clinical/departments/psychiatry/sections/cspp/d ops/homepage
The most convincing American reincarnation case I know of is that of James Leininger. His parents wrote a bookabout this child's experiences: Soul Survivor (by Bruce and Andrea Leininger). There are numerous links about
this. Here's one, a Primetime interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCwl63G98&feature=related
Sorry if this seems to be off-topic. I did look at the website, Krista, and found a lot of it very palatable.
However, I they can't possibly know all that they claim to know. I do believe our purpose is to grow spirituallyin this and every lifetime. IMO, astrology has limited value for spiritual growth unless combined with otherpractices like prayer and meditation, but it sure is fascinating.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #21 - on: 30.03.2012 at 11:14 [UT+1] »Slightly non-sequiturish, but...
I remember reading something ages ago about 'new' souls often being born as Cancerians, as we were best equipped to cope with it.
Sometimes I feel only reincarnation can explain certain things, like why I have a deep fear of walking/driving/flying over water. I can't evenlook at photos or film footage of sinking ships, and underwater footage of wrecks scares the bejesus out of me. Similarly, why does ancient
Greece interest me, but not Rome? Georgian/Regency history, but not Victorian? Etc. Etc.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #22 - on: 30.03.2012 at 14:38 [UT+1] »Thanx for the links- CATALINA..
NINA_ As a quad crab- I SO agree.... Also- it has always fascinated why we are so drawn to certain things,
cultures,places...
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I personally do think our 'fears' in this Life mirror things unresolved from past lives...

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I can so see myself in cafe'' society or in smokey nightclubs...
( Think the movie- The Women- 1933- with Norma Shearer- the ultimate chick flick...
when they remade the movie a few years ago- it was a disaster...Leave perfection alone )Bar rails & cocktails,
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #23 - on: 31.03.2012 at 07:14 [UT+1] »I'm still working on "Is There Life Before Death?" It's the title of a book by Steve Andres that really grabbedme.
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But then, that may be my Taurus Sun speaking.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #24 - on: 01.04.2012 at 10:03 [UT+1] »Quote from NinaB on 30.03.2012 at 11:14 [UT+1]:

Slightly non-sequiturish, but...
I remember reading something ages ago about 'new' souls often being born as Cancerians, as we were best equipped to copewith it.
Sometimes I feel only reincarnation can explain certain things, like why I have a deep fear of walking/driving/flying overwater. I can't even look at photos or film footage of sinking ships, and underwater footage of wrecks scares the bejesus out
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of me. Similarly, why does ancient Greece interest me, but not Rome? Georgian/Regency history, but not Victorian? Etc.
Etc.

Have you considered doing a past life regression?
Maybe you drowned and were on a ship that sunk. Maybe Titanic. I know that sounds a bit melodramatic but
stranger things have been known.
I think I either choked to death or I was hung or strangled in a previous life as I have this intense fear of
choking to death. I have my AG m on Algol too.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #25 - on: 01.04.2012 at 10:15 [UT+1] »I saw this on the TV a few years ago and this was truly an amazing story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSrzpLoODo&feature=relmfu

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #26 - on: 01.04.2012 at 10:26 [UT+1] »Interesting thread. One of my cup of tea really.
I have big interest in castles and medieval clothes and so... and in wars. Yup, I love watching history movies
and series (one of my alltime favourite is Gladiator because of it's message to stand proudly and courageously
and fight 'till the end), but on the other hand also science fiction ones.
I have no fear of my own death. Interestingly, I can hardly wait to experience that, sadly I'll have to wait alooooong time.
Surely, I had multiple lifes before. Too many, maybe
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #27 - on: 01.04.2012 at 23:40 [UT+1] »& another theory
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/what-happens-when-you-die_n_1376602.htm l?
ref=science&ncid=webmail15

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #28 - on: 02.04.2012 at 15:01 [UT+1] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 29.03.2012 at 22:44 [UT+1]:
60,000 years?
Only thing is, I didn't think there was any concept of time in the afterlife. Time doesn't even exist there, from what I've read.

This is so interesting thing to ponder for my lC.
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Gender:I think that if there is time, then it's certainly experienced differently.
The closest we can get to is perhaps listen, read and study people who have been visiting the other side.
I've heard how some soldiers and civilians who have been escaping the bombings in WWII told that when abomb landed near them,it felt like the time was slowing down and those few seconds felt like minutes.
My iA grandgrandmother was one of them.
Similarly some people who have been in accidents and gone through near death experiences
often say that they saw their entire life flash infront of them in only few seconds that felt like minutes.
There are lots of more quote similar stories about time speeding up & slowing down during life-deathsituations.
I think it's similar to when we are aspleep? We can see a dream that we feel lasted almost all night,
but when we study the brainwaves, the delta and the rem sleep stage may have lasted
only some minutes.

For Krista:

I've been in two Near Death situations and in both T O had a big role.
In first one T O was o natal lAB and in last one T O was m natal AB in 8th.
I've been keeping an eye on that planet's transits closer ever since..

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #29 - on: 06.04.2012 at 20:44 [UT+1] »Having spontaneously received information on several other lives, including one in the future, my questions are
not whether there is life after the death of the body but more like why have this scheme in the first place? Next
week, I am going for my first hypnotherapy session with a therapist trained under the Michael Newton Instituteto investigate life between lives to, hopefully, obtain some clarity on the subject.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #30 - on: 07.04.2012 at 04:13 [UT+1] »My friend's house ghost is very active tonight, she is moving downstairs, shaking some plastic bags there. I
went down and stood quietly and said "Hello." No response but energy felt fairly peaceful. Will try talking withher some more, maybe there is something she needs?
If plants can react so strongly to human interactions then can inanimate structures as well? Does the houseabsorb and interact with the life energy and emotions and will of person and then play that energy back as
ghost echo long after that person has died? She may have moved on to new incarnation but her ghost
footprints here are very real.
I grew up in a barn that my father had converted into a house, no ghosts there to be sure. This haunted house
bit is new to me. I have a little awareness of the unseen guides people mention, angelic presence or demonicpresence but a ghost seems much different.
Being reborn seems preferable to being a ghost, but who knows?
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #31 - on: 07.04.2012 at 20:07 [UT+1] »Lukman- PLEASE keep us posted...
& best of luck with this Journey

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #32 - on: 08.04.2012 at 12:23 [UT+1] »I do not believe in Hell.
Hell is a christian concept invented to scare people into believing in god. And Christianity dosn't deal withafter-life. AFIK
I do believe that we are reborn the moment we are ready to let the old life that we died from pass.
Some people then will be rebirth immediately, because they are ready to die when they die. Others will taketime because they were not ready to die and tries to cling to the life they already have left.

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So a being can already be born but may not have a soul in it yet.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #33 - on: 08.04.2012 at 12:33 [UT+1] »I believe that our first 27 years, the first Saturn and Moon round.
Is a re-living a re-inactment of our former life.
It explains why some people dosn't seem to make it beyond this Sat return. It can be too severe too hard.
Or they are not 'ready' or dosen't dare to take the next step in their evolution. So they stop life.
But next time, next life they just have to relive the situation and issues it all, because their path is to overcome
or lean those things or abilities, and use it as step stones in their souls evolvement.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #34 - on: 08.04.2012 at 13:13 [UT+1] »Quote from mikalek on 08.04.2012 at 12:23 [UT+1]:
I do not believe in Hell.
Hell is a christian concept invented to scare people into believing in god.

you do not see what is happening in the world today? it is hell, because people are arrogant and miss the point
in what scriptures are trying to tell. sure you can argue that atrocities are done in the name of god, but in the

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name of science, the earths resources are finite, guns kill people and polluting the waters of earth is killing us
for sure. hell or heaven, its a conscious choice of lifestyle.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #35 - on: 08.04.2012 at 16:59 [UT+1] »I'm in sympathy with the Christian pastor Rob Bell, who has rocked the Christian world by questioning whether
hell exists. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2065289,00.html
Here's a quote from the article: "Bell, a tall, 40-year-old son of a Michigan federal judge, begs to differ. He
suggests that the redemptive work of Jesus may be universal — meaning that, as his book's subtitle puts it,"every person who ever lived" could have a place in heaven, whatever that turns out to be. Such a simple
premise, but with Easter at hand, this slim, lively book has ignited a new holy war in Christian circles andbeyond."Though I don't think Rob Bell has spoken on either astrology or reincarnation, at least he has the courage toquestion long-held assumptions.
Even in the Bible, I think it says hell was prepared for the devil and his angels (evil spirits), so maybe it does
exist. Since I do now believe in reincarnation (didn't use to), I think people can suffer hellish conditions onearth that are sufficient to do whatever job hell is supposed to accomplish. And Jesus said the kingdom ofheaven is within you...here...now. So if heaven can be here now, so can hell. That's just my view. Can't proveit......yet. I am thankful for my "treasure/heaven" in Jesus Christ. He helps me get through things that nothingelse can.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #36 - on: 08.04.2012 at 18:13 [UT+1] »Quote from starcrave on 07.04.2012 at 04:13 [UT+1]:
My friend's house ghost is very active tonight, she is moving downstairs, shaking some plastic bags there. I went down and stood quietly
and said "Hello." No response but energy felt fairly peaceful. Will try talking with her some more, maybe there is something she needs?
If plants can react so strongly to human interactions then can inanimate structures as well? Does the house absorb and interact with thePosts: 535
Gender:life energy and emotions and will of person and then play that energy back as ghost echo long after that person has died? She may have
moved on to new incarnation but her ghost footprints here are very real.
I grew up in a barn that my father had converted into a house, no ghosts there to be sure. This haunted house bit is new to me. I have alittle awareness of the unseen guides people mention, angelic presence or demonic presence but a ghost seems much different.
Being reborn seems preferable to being a ghost, but who knows?

My Bf lives in a complex where there are three flats which the landlord is unable to let because of constantspiritual activity. Some of it is not unpleasant - the sound of children playing and laughing which fits with thehistory of the site which was an orphanage at one time but much of the activity is very dark and threatening.
Apparently you can really feel the evil (I wouldn't know, I am much too scared to go into these areas) andpeople have been harmed by objects being thrown at them, furniture falling on them etc. Maybe thesemanifestations would tie into a time when, apparently Boadicea was fighting the romans and trying to prevent
them from invading England and these was much blood letting on the site.
They have had exorcists, priests etc trying to free the spirits (if freeing is what is needed). Starcrave you
mention the possibility of ghost footptints which was my first reaction, but a couple of the flats have such
violent activity that it seems it can only be current.
There is much more activity around the time of Full moon and last night had most of the residents awake allnight.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #37 - on: 08.04.2012 at 21:07 [UT+1] »Quote from chang*ling on 08.04.2012 at 13:13 [UT+1]:
Quote from mikalek on 08.04.2012 at 12:23 [UT+1]:
I do not believe in Hell.
Hell is a christian concept invented to scare people into believing in god.

you do not see what is happening in the world today? it is hell, because people are arrogant and miss the point in what scriptures aretrying to tell. sure you can argue that atrocities are done in the name of god, but in the name of science, the earths resources are finite,guns kill people and polluting the waters of earth is killing us for sure. hell or heaven, its a conscious choice of lifestyle.

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Gender:oh yes WE humans can make a Hell in our world to us-selves, to other beings and to the planet. And we _may
carry that Hell situation with us over in next lives, of course I don't know that but if 'former lives' has any
meaning or any idea, something has to b brought with us or it is not an issue at all.
What I meant was that as a Spiritual concept hell is not existent.
Why ? because hell belong to dark matter, waste, night, dead.
While Spirit, or rather the 'Creative Energy' means life.
Hell it is something that we do not an Godly force (angelic, spiritual, entiy, kachina). - ok It may be since it
seems to be build into the system. as 'reward - punishment - correction' cycle.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #38 - on: 08.04.2012 at 21:07 [UT+1] »Hell was a waste ground outside of, Jerusalem?
in norse mythology; Hel, Kali, 'God of the underworld'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel_%28being%29
Hel ('the hidden') is in the Norse mythology the daughter of Loki and Angerboda and she was empress of thedead. She is half blue and half human colour. She was sent to Niflheim for river control over the nine worlds.
All who died of old age or sickness ended up with her. Hel is often shown as half human and halfskeleton.
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Gender:Hel was the name of dødsriket in Norse mythology, also kalt Helheimen or Helvete. It was not 'Helvete' in thesense understood in expression in everyday speech today - one not punished for his past iniquities there.
Helheimen below ground, a place far against the north. To get your stream must pass a Gjallarbroen that goesover the half-underground eleven Gjoll.
Helheimen consists of a total of nine worlds.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #39 - on: 08.04.2012 at 21:25 [UT+1] »Quote from chang*ling on 08.04.2012 at 13:13 [UT+1]:
Quote from mikalek on 08.04.2012 at 12:23 [UT+1]:
I do not believe in Hell.
Hell is a christian concept invented to scare people into believing in god.

you do not see what is happening in the world today? it is hell, because people are arrogant and miss the point in what scriptures aretrying to tell. sure you can argue that atrocities are done in the name of god, but in the name of science, the earths resources are finite,

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Gender:guns kill people and polluting the waters of earth is killing us for sure. hell or heaven, its a conscious choice of lifestyle.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #40 - on: 08.04.2012 at 22:32 [UT+1] »hi krista
hope you're fine
I didn't read the links posted I will when I have more time..
As a libra I believe in reincarnation because if God is just, then one life experience is not enough to justify
this..There is so much injustice we see so there must be many different lives to live in my opinion..I need tobelieve this reincarnation thing to believe in God..

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Gender:I see life as a school.
we start school as a young soul..if we succed the first grade then we begin to a upper class if we don't suceed
or choose not to learn our lessons and suicide then I believe we come life with same circumstances..
evertime we learn we come back life with better conditions..then we graduate,finish our tasks and reunited withGod like its little cell and don't come to life again..I think we call it heaven.each of us is God,little parts of God.
So the most important religious exercise is to respect every human being and not to defraud anyone..Because
as I said we all are parts of God..a harm to a person is disrespect to God.so it is where karma begins..
This is my belief of course..

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #41 - on: 13.04.2012 at 20:18 [UT+1] »Quote from beyond the stars on 29.03.2012 at 08:38 [UT+1]:

Here's the section I'm talking about:
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/articles/id/spiritualresearch/spiritu alscience/afterdeath#7
It's just too judgemental for me, and Judeo-Christian tradition is already far too judgemental as it is. We need a spirituality based oncompassion and acceptance, not another set of beliefs based on a punitive system that makes the afterlife sound like a gulag.

BTStars ~ Thank you! I cannot thank you enough.
This is the part that I am having trouble with too. I have had heated discussions with friends over this issue as
well. If someone commits suicide they are in the deepest, darkest places imaginable, psychologically speaking.
This aspect of the human condition has always been with us. If the point of our lives is to learn (and I believethat ultimately it is), what can we learn from this issue of suicide? Compassion. Deep and heartfelt compassion.
I mean, the ultimate in empathy is required here.
I know someone who committed suicide. She was told she was bipolar. She had been raped repeatedly by her
own father throughout their childhood. She was hated by her mother, and her mother was much kinder toother children in the family. She was beaten up by her sister. Her whole family thought she had a big problem.
She was sullen. Her father beated her. Her own mother died when she was in the twenties, in a car accident. Her
mother was going to be 47 years of age when she died. The woman got very depressed. The abusing father was
still alive and she somehow took on the "wife" role. She had conflicting emotions about the abusing father. She
started taking care of him after her mother died. He'd get drunk and insult her. Finally, just before she herself
reached the age her mother was at death, she put a gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger.
I don't think she's rotting in hell for this.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #42 - on: 13.04.2012 at 23:28 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 29.03.2012 at 18:06 [UT+1]:
I agree with BEYOND THE STARS very much...
This is NOT at all what I Believe

This article, is to me- both provocative & daunting.. ME:

c rules H12- NCmJ e- H2
H-!2 holds
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E ( rules MC) d m O (ruler of empty

d...so ??????

Maybe we can find a similar site thats a bit more optimistic ?
KristaI am very sensitive to suicide- as my best friend lost her 27 yo son this way..
I Believe that these souls stay in a 'limbo' of sorts' until theyreach the cronological age they were meant to....
IF there is a Supreme Being or Force- I like to think there
is much more Love & Compassionn than shown on that site..

As do I, agree with BTS, as it is the more profound then the simplistic which humans conjure up to explain
the unfathomable depths.
Or as Edgar Cayce said, "You don't go to heaven you GROW to heaven" for It's a state of mind.
There is no place in a "no spatial concept" ......There is no time in a no space/no time concept which is what I
see as heaven and /or the in between states where souls (limbo) until coming back for their further lessons
learned (hopefully ) once again.
If it were not for a loving presence, (call it god the oversoul whatever), as Cayce said, would we not all be lost?
But instead, there is the OPPORTUNITY we call reincarnation. To try once again to get it right in (space-time)
I've always had communication after life here ceases, with the so-called dead.
First off, they aren't "dead" they are simply not in space-time. We ARE. Both dead (to awareness when in thephysical limiting body ) and in some respects, otherwise such as spiritually. The awakening is what we aresupposed to be doing while here.
Secondly, nothing that I've heard of here (on this plane) , other then in Jesus words, really explains what it's
like.
There is no gender, there is no time, there is no space there is no fault, there is no hell fire and brimstone, lol
ALL of that created by man's mind himself .
That's the shadow selves of mankind's wanderings and harmful imaginings.
To project their own (black-white) mentality, shadows B & M of right and wrong onto others and glory be,even onto the very heavens above.
God is both love and hate, both glory and failure, both well, you get the image here.
It's (God) imaging that is perfection. What did He say about being Perfect?
ALL are on this road to perfection. "Therefore you shall be perfect just as your Father in heaven is perfect"(Matt. 5:48). At first glance, this is a difficult passage perhaps Cayce was right when he said,"that is WHY thereincarnation" .
The sure fire way to fall off the right path is to judge another harshly.
THAT will engender the necessity of walking in their shoes eventually (in time and space). Not a karma of
punishment, per se, one of opportunity to correct the misconception!
And when the planetary alignments are right for doing so.
Just as here on this plane we have to wait for the planetary alignments to reap our rewards, recompenseor occassional lessons, (via direction, transits, progressed planets, etc) so too are lifetimes well chosen.
Never judge another .
We were warned by the Master of all about this, and we should take this more then lightly.
No one walked in another's shoes, nor took upon themselves that which they did (in space-time) to know the"whys and wherefore" of that lifetime.
Some (perhaps not all) but some who commit suicide did so, by ways and means which their own biologicalmechanism, (the brain) was malfunctioning. This is called mental illness (whatever name you wish).....

It's a last act of desperation.
Never judge another, unless you wish to walk in their shoes and for sure one will when the time is right.
Hell is a way to explain a concept that is light and darkness on this scale, this plane of understanding only.
To explain the duality of mankind's urges and needs to separate into Dark and Light., whereas ALL (God) is
One.
That is not easily understood.
caveat: Of course we ALL judge events in life, and this is part and parcel of what life is isn't it? To judge an
event, something someone might say that "appears" uncaring , insensitive, etc. is not the same thing at all as
to judge the soul of the person him/her self. Completetly different thing.
I might not like those politicians who promote war for example, but I can't say really what is in the heart andsoul of any particular person to judge their "person" to such an extent . Jesus was upset about the Pharisees
who led their flock astray, but he didn't judge them forever and ever to hell. There IS a big difference between
judging what is done and the reprecussions of any event vs the internal mechanisms that created such a event
behind the scene to which no one is privileged to know(the heart and mind of another)
Hope that explains better my position on the entire subject .

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #43 - on: 14.04.2012 at 00:47 [UT+1] »I recall a few years ago reading an article from Venture Forward Magazine which is an Edgar Cayce organization
promotion, as a magazine. In it, there was both the Astrology mentioned of various individuals, their natal
charts and what Cayce suggested about each of these people in the delineations of their lives (as requested ofhim) in answer to their pressing needs.
The part i found rather fascinating was the article was about not having to return again.
Now, none of these people, to whom (out of over 14,000 readings given) ever had what one might think of as aperfect horoscope in this lifetime.
Yet, out of all these people, a few were told they had "no need to return".......that their lessons here were alllearned and could move on to other planes of learning, if they so wished to. Free Will in otherwords of theirown soul.
In each case, studying their natals (some with the time of birth and most without) it still did not appear thatthey possibly would have been "judged" as particularly good souls let alone having reached a certain perfectedstate on this particular level of learning. The earth plane.
Yet, he insisted it was so about these few.
I once started a thread awhile back with their natal charts......and asked help to learn more about how wemight interpret them to see more then the usual.
This often reminds me of what I tried to say, that we cannot possibly know on this level or stage, the heart andmind of the soul itself. Only our own (hopefully) we can learn to know well enough to judge .
The article written by the still living youngest son of Edgar Cayce went on to say the same thing pretty much,that so many of these people he himself had met personally,and to be sure some were far less then desireable,some even downright miserable to be around (didn't say it in these particular chosen words,
the idea.

) but that was

And when we see their natals, we understand what he meant.
Yet, it does give everyone hope, (or should) that anyone can perfect themselves to the point of not needing toreturn again.
I do think usually the last lifetime here, and the chart however, should show the soul's overall gains as well as
the tests still needing to be honed.
But that's just IMO.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #44 - on: 14.04.2012 at 03:37 [UT+1] »Deb, I completely agree with you. I have taken quite a bit of time reading/researching what this particularwebsite is trying to say and even invited my father to read some of the concepts. After reading some of that
infomation we came back to the duality, string theory (as we are all connected), the practice of non-judgment
and the conception that Heaven is a state of mind.

I, too have had communication with the so-called "dead", and I am 100% certain all I have come across are
generally speaking -- at peace. In one instance my best friend passed away at 16 from an overdose, andaccording to this website she should be in Hell. Well...happy to say she came to me thatnight...illuminated...and not by fire.
I think about the afterlife and spirituality on a daily basis...some may say it rules my thoughts. Cb 8th House,and most know of the cABEN in the 9th.

As for judgment...every judgment we have is partaking in the knowledge of good and evil...seperating the twoand eating from the tree where the serpent lives.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #45 - on: 14.04.2012 at 04:15 [UT+1] »Quote from Darker Star on 14.04.2012 at 03:37 [UT+1]:
Deb, I completely agree with you. I have taken quite a bit of time reading/researching what this particular website is trying to say andeven invited my father to read some of the concepts. After reading some of that infomation we came back to the duality, string theory(as we are all connected), the practice of non-judgment and the conception that Heaven is a state of mind.

I, too have had communication with the so-called "dead", and I am 100% certain all I have come across are generally speaking -- atpeace. In one instance my best friend passed away at 16 from an overdose, and according to this website she should be in Hell.
Well...happy to say she came to me that night...illuminated...and not by fire.
I think about the afterlife and spirituality on a daily basis...some may say it rules my thoughts.

Cb 8th House, and most know of thecABEN in the 9th.
As for judgment...every judgment we have is partaking in the knowledge of good and evil...seperating the two and eating from the tree
where the serpent lives.

I apologize to all who thought I ranted a bit, but these things make me crazy sometimes, (blame my Di
which goes nuts over small mindedness.
)
I haven't had the chance to go thru, nor the "inclination" to, this link but just now, because you did, opened it.
And what was the first thing I saw?
Quote:
Once we go to the lower planes of existence such as the Nether plane of existence or other planes of existence of Hell, we stay there andexperience severe unhappiness for centuries until we completely pay for our demerits (sins) by suffering the intense punishments meted
there and get a chance to be reincarnated on Earth.

I mean, "really folks" does anyone honestly think in a place of no time and no space, there is afforded(without a biological brain, or the synapses which record the moments) ....hundreds of years, centuries, tolanguish in some "place" of punishment? Haven't we learned anything since the dark ages with physics today in
our new supposedly, enlightened world?
Such a bunch o' malarkey, I'm sorry......
I don't see a place in Astrology for such limited thinking quite honestly. But then again, I'm biased, and I'm thefirst to admit that I am. There was a time, I'd sorry to say that I was also in the dark, (I was born Catholic andlived and breathed for the incense and the provocation of religious structure) perhaps it's the j stellium as achild requiring some structure my home seemed to lack.
The Church and it's dogma gave me "comfort" andsecurity in a less then secure world I lived in.
Perhaps it's our overwhelming need to objectify what is impossible to define with our limited dimensional
understandings.
That I might understand this way better, because the emotions we all share as humans require something
to explain ourselves to us, and our fellow man, else everything seems so impossibly huge compared to our little
minds. The Universe, the Solar System, the Stars.......omg, what's it all about? I'll define it, I'll make somecategories and put neat little packages I can live with in them.
By the way, could this be something to consider?
Saturn G - "A dimension of mental plane that affords the soul the opportunity to recycle, or regenerate thematter that otherwise is not beneficial to the soul's growth" i.e. a lifetime that seemed a waste to the soul after
careful examination.
Uranus on the ASC. - the possibility a life was ended due to suicide, somewhere along the "linear" line ofincarnations.
Something akin to this from the Cayce material.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce08.html

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #46 - on: 14.04.2012 at 04:23 [UT+1] »Ooooh, this 9th H c, and iO understands your frustration with small- mindedness. I am glad you, too
noticed the lack of understanding regarding dimensions.
I, too was born into a dogmatic household, yet my dad is probably one of the most open-minded people I haveever known. He taught me a lot. He just goes to church to please my mother.
...Ooh yay, I love all your Cayce links!
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #47 - on: 14.04.2012 at 05:11 [UT+1] »Quote from Darker Star on 14.04.2012 at 04:23 [UT+1]:
Ooooh, this 9th Hc, and iO understands your frustration with small- mindedness. I am glad you, too noticed the lack of understanding

regarding dimensions.
I, too was born into a dogmatic household, yet my dad is probably one of the most open-minded people I have ever known. He taught mea lot. He just goes to church to please my mother.
...Ooh yay, I love all your Cayce links!

hee hee, dogmatic, not the least , certainly not in my home.
It was CHAOTIC to the max!
Mom Ai B g AC h
Dad Af B h ugh, AC b
Mom - loved her Buddhist statues, incense & Shivas even on the lamps,(instead of the ones you see todaywith the legs, we had the ones that were the Shiva goddesses? (many hands / arms, etc)
The Laughing Buddha, etc.
Dad? - Agnostic, (he said he was Athiest)
Church? non-existent except for sending my sister and I to the local Catholic nuns to teach some good
handwriting, (cursive of course) and that is where i sought my solace in peaceful surroundings.
I'd go when no one else was in that large looming edifice next door to pray.
What was a praying for? ........uhm.....maybe a family who was less wierd? More real? More average like myfriends families (or thought they were in comparison) I in the 4th, undermining, always undermining theentire drama.
Dad never worked much, a taxi driver I use to tell the nuns when they'd ask us in the 2nd grade, "What do ourparents do for a living?" Mom laughed till she died, 50 years later over my quip "Well my dad drives a cab andmom plays the horses"
What's a kid know anyway? Service worker i.e. taxi cab i.e. Af 6th houses ofmundane jobs (my chart it's Cappy)
Mom was the major breadwinner. We barely made it. Emotionally they were worlds apart.
In the old days, there was no divorce in our world. Only poverty and desperate need to make it work.
Mine was the first ever!!

in an otherwise, no divorce world. My how sorry and embarrassed I was for my poor

mother and grandmother.
( I Married a Ak to get away from home)
It did not last long, ......perhaps months?.....
What an embarrassment.

Till we realized we married for the wrong reasons., both of us.

I loved in retrospect the fact I was given so much room to think. To explore all kinds of philosophical ideas.
That included my father's "the fish in the sea and evolution". I use to argue with him over that, and gave him
my first paperback on reincarnation, "The Girl with the Blue Eyes" by Jess Stearn when I was 18. He said heenjoyed it.
Funny , how as young people we have not the perspective to appreciate our surroundings, and then gain withage the wisdom to see how wonderfully correct it all was after all, chaos non-withstanding.
For we'd not be who we are if not for everything fitting the puzzle, just as it was meant to be.
A design we'd not choose (on our limited level of understanding) yet it all fits so well in the end.
Signing off for now,
Deb.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #48 - on: 16.04.2012 at 06:15 [UT+1] »Quote from Darker Star on 14.04.2012 at 04:23 [UT+1]:
Ooooh, this 9th Hc, and iO understands your frustration with small- mindedness. I am glad you, too noticed the lack of understanding

regarding dimensions.
I, too was born into a dogmatic household, yet my dad is probably one of the most open-minded people I have ever known. He taught mea lot. He just goes to church to please my mother.
...Ooh yay, I love all your Cayce links!

You and I must be "thread killers".
Glad you enjoy them. Me too!
I have no planets above the horizon other then crazy (unique?) O m K 11th in Gemini.
Othere then this, all below the horizon.
My husband however has BEJG and due to my insistence, traveled (over seas) for the 1st time in2004.Since then many trips overseas until this year. So, he's surely been enhanced by the 9th as it also rules
overseas travels.
Having his J there too, I hardly know him, he's been so remarkably changed by the various countries andexperience gained by it.
Take care.
9th is a LOVELY house to have planets in.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #49 - on: 16.04.2012 at 06:46 [UT+1] »Have any of you who believe in reincarnation and life after death really thought about the concept, that thelife you are living now, is an after-life following your physical demise in a previous lifetime?

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #50 - on: 16.04.2012 at 07:01 [UT+1] »Quote from Phoebe on 16.04.2012 at 06:46 [UT+1]:
Have any of you who believe in reincarnation and life after death really thought about the concept, that thelife you are living now, is an after-life following your physical demise in a previous lifetime?

Do you mean a linear time frame, like I lived in 1865 (Civil War period) and was reborn in 1947? That kind oftime frame?
If so, then yes, I think that is how it works. On this plane, linear times.
(oh, I think I get it.......) you are saying, like "after life", in otherwords, on the astral realm possibly, reliving
something or other?
Strange,never thought of it that way, but anything is possible I suppose.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #51 - on: 16.04.2012 at 08:58 [UT+1] »Quote from D Hawk on 16.04.2012 at 07:01 [UT+1]:
Quote from Phoebe on 16.04.2012 at 06:46 [UT+1]:
Have any of you who believe in reincarnation and life after death really thought about the concept, that thelife you are living now, is an after-life following your physical demise in a previous lifetime?

Do you mean a linear time frame, like I lived in 1865 (Civil War period) and was reborn in 1947? That kind of time frame?
If so, then yes, I think that is how it works. On this plane, linear times.
(oh, I think I get it.......) you are saying, like "after life", in otherwords, on the astral realm possibly, reliving something or other?
Strange,never thought of it that way, but anything is possible I suppose.

Not necessarily linear...
Everything I have read about the 'afterlife' speaks of the soul continuing with their evolution. Getting on withthings and exploring new things. Where and how? If we stick with the linear chronology, say I had a lifetime in
the 17th century then my current 20-21st century life is an afterlife to that one, and I am, indeed, continuingwith my evolution and learning and exploring new things.
Not on the astral realm: here, on Earth. My current life has come after the 17th century one....as a linear
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #52 - on: 16.04.2012 at 12:12 [UT+1] »Quote from Jently on 08.04.2012 at 18:13 [UT+1]:
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My friend's house ghost is very active tonight, she is moving downstairs, shaking some plastic bags there. I went down andstood quietly and said "Hello." No response but energy felt fairly peaceful. Will try talking with her some more, maybe
there is something she needs?
If plants can react so strongly to human interactions then can inanimate structures as well? Does the house absorb andinteract with the life energy and emotions and will of person and then play that energy back as ghost echo long after that
person has died? She may have moved on to new incarnation but her ghost footprints here are very real.
I grew up in a barn that my father had converted into a house, no ghosts there to be sure. This haunted house bit is new
to me. I have a little awareness of the unseen guides people mention, angelic presence or demonic presence but a ghost
seems much different.
Being reborn seems preferable to being a ghost, but who knows?

My Bf lives in a complex where there are three flats which the landlord is unable to let because of constant spiritual activity. Some of it is
not unpleasant - the sound of children playing and laughing which fits with the history of the site which was an orphanage at one time but
much of the activity is very dark and threatening. Apparently you can really feel the evil (I wouldn't know, I am much too scared to go
into these areas) and people have been harmed by objects being thrown at them, furniture falling on them etc. Maybe thesemanifestations would tie into a time when, apparently Boadicea was fighting the romans and trying to prevent them from invading Englandand these was much blood letting on the site.
They have had exorcists, priests etc trying to free the spirits (if freeing is what is needed). Starcrave you mention the possibility of ghost
footptints which was my first reaction, but a couple of the flats have such violent activity that it seems it can only be current.
There is much more activity around the time of Full moon and last night had most of the residents awake all night.

Years ago I worked in a hospital which was a villa to an old large Victorian psychiatric hospital. The villa wassmall with only two wards, then used for neurology.
After some time I moved onto night duty. The regular staff, after a while told me a few tales of strange
happenings, these women, older and sensible, were not the kind to exagerate but anyway I thought perhaps
they had been working too long on nights
Then I came across odd things, patients would ask who the nun was that came round in the night...there wasno nun, one student nurse asked me who the nun was she had passed in the corridor, patients would talk of
being poked and woken during the night. On nights if all was quiet we nurses would take turns sleeping during
our breaks, blankets would be pulled off and one night I slept on a bed in a sideroom and was woken by a hardbanging on the end of the bed, half awake, a little irritated and wondering if it was my imagination...then threeloud bangs vibrating the bed.
All this was accepted among the regular staff and it was not frightening somehow, no bad intent felt.
The building had been used for the less disturbed, or maybe better connected, psychiatric patients in the 19th
century, then "shell shocked" soldiers from WWI and for Canadian soldiers from WWII.
It did feel as if we were passing souls but in a different time.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #53 - on: 16.04.2012 at 15:31 [UT+1] »Quote from cris claire on 16.04.2012 at 12:12 [UT+1]:
Quote from Jently on 08.04.2012 at 18:13 [UT+1]:
Quote from starcrave on 07.04.2012 at 04:13 [UT+1]:
My friend's house ghost is very active tonight, she is moving downstairs, shaking some plastic bags there. I
went down and stood quietly and said "Hello." No response but energy felt fairly peaceful. Will try talking
with her some more, maybe there is something she needs?
If plants can react so strongly to human interactions then can inanimate structures as well? Does the houseabsorb and interact with the life energy and emotions and will of person and then play that energy back as
ghost echo long after that person has died? She may have moved on to new incarnation but her ghost
footprints here are very real.
I grew up in a barn that my father had converted into a house, no ghosts there to be sure. This haunted
house bit is new to me. I have a little awareness of the unseen guides people mention, angelic presence ordemonic presence but a ghost seems much different.
Being reborn seems preferable to being a ghost, but who knows?

My Bf lives in a complex where there are three flats which the landlord is unable to let because of constant spiritual
activity. Some of it is not unpleasant - the sound of children playing and laughing which fits with the history of the sitewhich was an orphanage at one time but much of the activity is very dark and threatening. Apparently you can really feelthe evil (I wouldn't know, I am much too scared to go into these areas) and people have been harmed by objects being
thrown at them, furniture falling on them etc. Maybe these manifestations would tie into a time when, apparently Boadicea
was fighting the romans and trying to prevent them from invading England and these was much blood letting on the site.
They have had exorcists, priests etc trying to free the spirits (if freeing is what is needed). Starcrave you mention thepossibility of ghost footptints which was my first reaction, but a couple of the flats have such violent activity that it seems
it can only be current.
There is much more activity around the time of Full moon and last night had most of the residents awake all night.

Years ago I worked in a hospital which was a villa to an old large Victorian psychiatric hospital. The villa was small with only two wards,
then used for neurology.
After some time I moved onto night duty. The regular staff, after a while told me a few tales of strange happenings, these women, older
and sensible, were not the kind to exagerate but anyway I thought perhaps they had been working too long on nights
Then I came across odd things, patients would ask who the nun was that came round in the night...there was no nun, one student nurse
asked me who the nun was she had passed in the corridor, patients would talk of being poked and woken during the night. On nights if all
was quiet we nurses would take turns sleeping during our breaks, blankets would be pulled off and one night I slept on a bed in a sideroom
and was woken by a hard banging on the end of the bed, half awake, a little irritated and wondering if it was my imagination...then threeloud bangs vibrating the bed.
All this was accepted among the regular staff and it was not frightening somehow, no bad intent felt.
The building had been used for the less disturbed, or maybe better connected, psychiatric patients in the 19th century, then "shell
shocked" soldiers from WWI and for Canadian soldiers from WWII.
It did feel as if we were passing souls but in a different time.

3 bumps of the bed? That's odd. Last week I fell asleep with the question in mind about the house ghost, what
did it want? I had dream I was standing there at bottom of stairs near the door where she's always been active.
An old woman's pale arm in some kind of bathrobe beckoned me to a wall by the front door. She rapped near
the door three times, pause, and then 3 more times. After I awoke I looked up the Morse code for 3 dits,pause, 3 dits. It means "S S". She moved into this house in late 40's or 50's, in Jewish neighborhood and lived
here til she passed on.
I speak to an old friend of hers that lives nearby. I need to find way of breaching subject about the deceased
and her history without letting on that this house is haunted with her ghost (thus unsellable for the owner)
Worse would be if any of those horrible Hollywood ghost filming teams were to hear of it and go charging
through the house like commandos, late at night screaming "I'm getting something I'm getting something!!!
The Infrared reading is off the charts!! Chase it down the hall!!!"I'm not sure about the astrology for hauntings. These anomalies in time seem to indicate charts and transits oflong ago? Are there ghost planets? Maybe Lilith is a ghost planet? And Jently, your description of malevolent
presence there has me spooked!
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D HawkEx Member« Reply #54 - on: 16.04.2012 at 17:13 [UT+1] »Quote from Phoebe on 16.04.2012 at 08:58 [UT+1]:
Quote from D Hawk on 16.04.2012 at 07:01 [UT+1]:
Quote from Phoebe on 16.04.2012 at 06:46 [UT+1]:
Have any of you who believe in reincarnation and life after death really thought about the concept, that thelife you are living now, is an after-life following your physical demise in a previous lifetime?

Do you mean a linear time frame, like I lived in 1865 (Civil War period) and was reborn in 1947? That kind of time frame?
If so, then yes, I think that is how it works. On this plane, linear times.
(oh, I think I get it.......) you are saying, like "after life", in otherwords, on the astral realm possibly, reliving somethingor other?
Strange,never thought of it that way, but anything is possible I suppose.

Not necessarily linear...
Everything I have read about the 'afterlife' speaks of the soul continuing with their evolution. Getting on with things and exploring newthings. Where and how? If we stick with the linear chronology, say I had a lifetime in the 17th century then my current 20-21st century
life is an afterlife to that one, and I am, indeed, continuing with my evolution and learning and exploring new things.
Not on the astral realm: here, on Earth. My current life has come after the 17th century one....as a linear example.

Yes, that's the chronology most of us who believe in Reincarnation would adhere to. Linear time frames.
Not sure then, why you question linear or do I misunderstand your question?
I do believe however, that we eliminate "time" from the equation, then anything is possible of course, (movie,"Back to the Future" in otherwords.
But for those on the lower? evolutionary scale of learning, I personally think linear makes the more sense.
For instance, Edgar Cayce always gave readings with this linear time frame for the souls.
Often these readings would start (if they were the all Life Readings, rather then the physical ones only, whichwere also the majority) ........he would start "backwards" in counting time.
He literally with one or two readings, was "going, back, back back.......and said so" for instance, 1939, 1935,
1900 conception, 1845, etc....." then give the reading, choosing as he often said, only the lifetimes that "fit thecircumstances of the current life". Not those which the soul apparenlty didn't choose to work on.
What is this?..........Personally I think we are multi dimensional in scope. The linear soul portion, is only 1 pieceof something much hugher (is that a word?
) much more then our feeble minds can possibly comprhend on
our scale.
This "piece" we call a soul (Emerson said, the oversoul) is a vitial part and portion of this larger conceptual selfhood..that part that aligns perfectly with the Whole.
As a piece or a soul, we struggle to "get it right", i.e. correct the negative vibrations that have gathered overvarious lifetimes, into a cohesiveness that might be "right" or allowed within the framework of the larger
portion, because the vibrations here are "more perfect" hence, to not perfect HERE, in a lifetime of many, thencannot possibly enter into the so-called "holy of Holies". or the much higher vibration.
Many many years ago I read the "Betty Book" a series of books written by a husband and wife team, who one
part died (Betty). It was quite elementary yet gave a foundation for this type of understanding.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Betty-Book-Stewart-White/dp/0898041511
Here is an example of Edgar Cayce's reading for himself......as relating to how other lives affected who he "was"here in the 21st century:
From 254-2:
Quote:
1. GC (?): You will have before you the body and enquiring mind of Edgar Cayce, and you will tell us how the psychic work is
accomplished through this body, and will answer any other questions that I will ask you respecting this work.
2. EC: We have the body here - we have had it before. In this state the conscious mind is under subjugation of the subconscious or soulmind. The information obtained and given by this body is obtained through the power of mind over mind, or power of mind over physicalmatter, or obtained by the suggestion as given to the active part of the subconscious mind. It obtains its information from that which it
has gathered, either from other subconscious minds - put in touch with the power of the suggestion of the mind controlling the speaking
faculties of this body, or from minds that have passed into the Beyond, which leave their impressions and are brought in touch by thepower of the suggestion. What is known to one subconscious mind or soul is known to another, whether conscious of the fact or not. The
subjugation of the conscious mind putting the subconscious in action in this manner or in one of the other of the manners as described, thisbody obtains its information when in the subconscious state.
3. (Q) Is this information always correct?
(A) Correct in so far as the suggestion is in the proper channel or in accord with the action of subconscious or soul matter.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #55 - on: 16.04.2012 at 17:30 [UT+1] »Excerpt from Edgar Cayce 254-2 reading:[quote]4. (Q) Do the planets have anything to do with the ruling of the destiny of men? If so, what? and what
do they have to do with this body?
(A) They do. In the beginning, as our own planet, Earth, was set in motion, the placing of other planets began
the ruling of the destiny of all matter as created, just as the division of waters was and is ruled by the moon inits path about the Earth; just so as in the higher creation, as it began, is ruled by the action of the planets
about the earth.
The strongest power in the destiny of man is the Sun, first; then the closer planets, or those that arecoming in ascendency at the time of the birth of the individual; but let it be understood here, no actionof any planet or any of the phases of the Sun, Moon, or any of the heavenly bodies surpass the rule of Man's
individual will power - the power given by the Creator of man in the beginning, when he became a living soul,with the power of choosing for himself.
The inclination of man is ruled by the planets under which he is born. In this far the destiny of man lies within
the sphere or scope of the planets. With the given position of the Solar system at the time of the birth of anindividual, it can be worked out, - that is, the inclinations and actions without the will power taken into
consideration.
As in this body here [Edgar Cayce] born March 18, 1877, three minutes past three o'clock, with the Sundescending, on the wane, the Moon in the opposite side of the Earth (old moon), Uranus at its zenith, hence
the body is ultra in its actions. Neptune closest in conjunction or Neptune as it is termed in Astrologicalsurvey, in the ninth house; Jupiter, the higher force of all the planets, save the Sun, in descendency,
Venus just coming to horizon, Mars just set, Saturn - to whom all insufficient matter is cast at its decay opposite the face of the Moon. Hence the inclination as the body is controlled by the Astrological survey at thetime of the birth of this body, either (no middle ground for this body) very good or very bad, very religious orvery wicked, very rich or always losing, very much in love or hate, very much given to good works or always
doing wrong, governed entirely by the will of the body. Will is the educational factor of the body; thence thepatience, the persistence, the ever faithful attention that should be given to the child when it is young. [GD'snote: I believe above birth data was volunteered because Mr. Thrash did not accept birth data from EC andparents.]
As to the forces of this body, the psychical is obtained through action of Uranus and of Neptune , always it has

been to this body and always will, just outside the action of fire-arms, yet ever within them, just saved
financially and spiritually by the action of great amount of water - the body should live close to the sea, should
always have done so. The body is strange to other bodies in all of its actions, in the psychical life, in all of its
ideas as expressed in the spiritual life as to its position on all matter pertaining to political, religious or
economical positions. This body will either be very rich or very poor.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #56 - on: 16.04.2012 at 17:44 [UT+1] »I think the part I highlighted, about O I pretty much verifies what those of us who study Astrology would
believe as well, that these two planets appear to have a lot to do with a) odd or unique characteristics....
or as Edgar Cayce called Uranian energy, "The extremes" and b) I - the mystical life, when the soul is of thecharacter to live up to the vibrations of a higher note that can both depict them and correctly live up to thespiritual part of this higher note.
Alan Oken, the astrologer, says in his older book, "Alan Oken's Complete Astrology", the Uranus where it
appears (on the ASC in Cayce's chart) and Pluto at the MC with BI in the 9th, is a mark of a radio receiver forthe masses.
Perhaps so.....Unusual anyway, and of course, Uranus the planet of the extremes, specifically mentinoed as suchin the reading, because of the extremes of lives I just mentione above, (his personal choices) in those lives
lived.
For the rest of us, it ( i.e. O I ) can become, "dead weight" so to speak, undermining forces rather then as
mentioned.
For the spiritual realms have their "laws" just as the mundane or physical Realm has their own "laws" (gravity,
inertia, etc) that must be adhered to.
The various readings went on to explain that his life (as Edgar) had been carved from other lifetimes, being
once again "revisited" (so to speak), from lives lived in Ancient Persia, (Ujthald I think the name was) a mysticalman, a teacher and a psychic, perhaps on the level of Moses. That type of individual, (not sure what year thiswas as I haven't looked it up to tell you yet) but I could easily if there is interest.
Then there were a few other lives given, that were impressed on the "astrological map" of this last incarnation.
Some of note that I recall were as a young guard at the Gate of Troy, who allowed them into the gate andbecause of this, the country was overtaken . Not being able to forgive himself, he committed suicide in thatlifetime. Because of this act, and because he also had a lifetime (being re-enacted astrologically in this one) as ane-er' do well in early Virginia, when the Indians ruled that part of the country, the planet O becomes a very
vital role in his "strange" makeup as Edgar Cayce, for as he said, it was the lifetimes of extremes which
propelled this planet into where it was when he was born as Edgar.
There were a few other lifetimes given and they may be read in a little book called, "The Many Lifetimes of
Edgar Cayce"
one given was at the end of his life (in 1944 or so), and the reading said, "that he would not be puffed up", by
the information, that he helped carve (write) the known 4 gospels, as Lucius (not Luke but Lucius a nephew ofLuke) I find great interest in that one. And it may explain a lot to me about his great love for the Master (as healways referenced Jesus)
because I think I lived then too, or 2000 yrs ago in ancient Palestine.
Some of these lives given of course, have nothing of the noteworthy character, (no fame, no history written, etc) and it's that way for most of us of course, given humans live relatively "short" durations.
I think it's an ntellectual feat to then ponder, what his lives (individually ) as mentioned, (such as the young
man at the Gate in Troy), may have been engendered by? For instance, was the lifetime in 1877 when born
"again", been available to that young guard standing at his military post in Troy?
Since time is naught, except for our own (here) designations as linear beings, would a future lifetime have been
somehow available to him, if he was of the character THEN to channel the info?
I think I've come to the conclusion that by and large the answer is no.
And that's probably a good thing.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #57 - on: 16.04.2012 at 18:17 [UT+1] »Chuck Missler - Heaven Or Hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zprf_OOaXKM
a long lecture about life after death theory.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #58 - on: 16.04.2012 at 18:31 [UT+1] »Quote from D Hawk on 14.04.2012 at 00:47 [UT+1]:
I recall a few years ago reading an article from Venture Forward Magazine which is an Edgar Cayce organization promotion, as a magazine.
In it, there was both the Astrology mentioned of various individuals, their natal charts and what Cayce suggested about each of thesepeople in the delineations of their lives (as requested of him) in answer to their pressing needs.
The part i found rather fascinating was the article was about not having to return again.
Now, none of these people, to whom (out of over 14,000 readings given) ever had what one might think of as a perfect horoscope in thislifetime.
Yet, out of all these people, a few were told they had "no need to return".......that their lessons here were all learned and could move on
to other planes of learning, if they so wished to. Free Will in otherwords of their own soul.
In each case, studying their natals (some with the time of birth and most without) it still did not appear that they possibly would havebeen "judged" as particularly good souls let alone having reached a certain perfected state on this particular level of learning. The earth
plane.
Yet, he insisted it was so about these few.
I once started a thread awhile back with their natal charts......and asked help to learn more about how we might interpret them to see
more then the usual.
This often reminds me of what I tried to say, that we cannot possibly know on this level or stage, the heart and mind of the soul itself.
Only our own (hopefully) we can learn to know well enough to judge .
The article written by the still living youngest son of Edgar Cayce went on to say the same thing pretty much, that so many of thesepeople he himself had met personally,and to be sure some were far less then desireable, some even downright miserable to be around(didn't say it in these particular chosen words,) but that was the idea.

And when we see their natals, we understand what he meant.
Yet, it does give everyone hope, (or should) that anyone can perfect themselves to the point of not needing to return again.
I do think usually the last lifetime here, and the chart however, should show the soul's overall gains as well as the tests still needing to be
honed.
But that's just IMO.

Hi Deb, do you have a link to this thread? It would be cool to revisit it in light of our hopefully growing
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #59 - on: 16.04.2012 at 18:38 [UT+1] »Quote from D Hawk on 14.04.2012 at 05:11 [UT+1]:
Quote from Darker Star on 14.04.2012 at 04:23 [UT+1]:
Ooooh, this 9th Hc, and iO understands your frustration with small- mindedness. I am glad you, too noticed the lack ofunderstanding regarding dimensions.
I, too was born into a dogmatic household, yet my dad is probably one of the most open-minded people I have everknown. He taught me a lot. He just goes to church to please my mother.
...Ooh yay, I love all your Cayce links!

hee hee, dogmatic, not the least , certainly not in my home.
It was CHAOTIC to the max!
Mom
Dad

Ai B g ACh
Af B h ugh, AC b

Mom - loved her Buddhist statues, incense & Shivas even on the lamps,(instead of the ones you see today with the legs, we had theones that were the Shiva goddesses? (many hands / arms, etc)
The Laughing Buddha, etc.
Dad? - Agnostic, (he said he was Athiest)
Church? non-existent except for sending my sister and I to the local Catholic nuns to teach some good handwriting, (cursive of course) andthat is where i sought my solace in peaceful surroundings.
I'd go when no one else was in that large looming edifice next door to pray.
What was a praying for? ........uhm.....maybe a family who was less wierd? More real? More average like my friends families (or thought
they were in comparison)

I in the 4th, undermining, always undermining the entire drama.

Dad never worked much, a taxi driver I use to tell the nuns when they'd ask us in the 2nd grade, "What do our parents do for a living?"
Mom laughed till she died, 50 years later over my quip "Well my dad drives a cab and mom plays the horses"
anyway? Service worker i.e. taxi cab i.e.

What's a kid know

Af 6th houses of mundane jobs (my chart it's Cappy)

Mom was the major breadwinner. We barely made it. Emotionally they were worlds apart.
In the old days, there was no divorce in our world. Only poverty and desperate need to make it work.
Mine was the first ever!! in an otherwise, no divorce world. My how sorry and embarrassed I was for my poor mother and grandmother.
( I Married a

Ak to get away from home)

It did not last long, ......perhaps months?.....

Till we realized we married for the wrong reasons., both of us.

What an embarrassment.
I loved in retrospect the fact I was given so much room to think. To explore all kinds of philosophical ideas.
That included my father's "the fish in the sea and evolution". I use to argue with him over that, and gave him my first paperback onreincarnation, "The Girl with the Blue Eyes" by Jess Stearn when I was 18. He said he enjoyed it.

Funny , how as young people we have not the perspective to appreciate our surroundings, andthen gain with age the wisdom to see how wonderfully correct it all was after all, chaos nonwithstanding.
For we'd not be who we are if not for everything fitting the puzzle, just as it was meant to be.
A design we'd not choose (on our limited level of understanding) yet it all fits so well in the end.
Signing off for now,
Deb.

Interesting, I didn't know your family background but it does make so much sense
and looks like a plan foryou was set from the very beginning and I guess for all of us. We all are born in certain class, families(nofamilies) and circumstances that pretty much define us one way or another.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #60 - on: 16.04.2012 at 18:40 [UT+1] »Interesting thoughts D Hawk.
Here is another one.
Perhaps it is not reincarnation but PREincarnation!
In short, who says time is linear, one of the greatest illusions we must contend with on Earth.
So perhaps a 'past' lifetime is actually a 'future' lifetime, from the angle of the soul or higher consciousness.
Perhaps they are 'concomitant' but from whatever blockages or filters we accumulate have not been able to
REMEMBER that is connect our membranes, our synapses, our perceptions from one lifetime to another.
Perhaps we "preincarnate" where needed in order to 'relive and remember' those experiences.
But I like how Frank Herbert addressed this issue, a man who, if you read closely, was clearly a seer:
Quote:
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future.

and this:
Quote:
It is not the present which influences the future, thou fool, but the future which forms the present. You have it all backward. Since thefuture is set, an unfolding of events which will assure that future is fixed and inevitable.

Last night as I read some old journals of mine and recapitulated dreams in which I was shown the terror of myfuture,- that is my way of dealing with the challenge, in truth it was saddening more than maddening, but
in 2000/2001 I saw what would come in 2007/2008 and even though I was greatly disturbed, agreed toacquiesce, if you will.
Anyways . . .
As for O and I.
Certainly old friends of mine even if they are a challenge to reconcile.
Currently TR O is m progressed A exact as TR I has been m natal A for years and will go back to exact
around 18 December this year. When N will again be at the midpoint to natal A and B.
Progressed A is now in 8th and so natal A is 7th cusping the DC.
Am I coming or going? More importantly, can I learn to live anew.
Terrence Stamp said it well:
Quote:[on death] Few people understand it and live when it comes.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #61 - on: 16.04.2012 at 19:22 [UT+1] »[quote] author=D Hawk link=1332868953/40#54 date=1334592782][quote author=Phoebe
link=1332868953/40#51 date=1334563109][quote author=D Hawk link=1332868953/40#50
date=1334556102]Quote from Phoebe on 16.04.2012 at 06:46 [UT+1]:
Have any of you who believe in reincarnation and life after death really thought about the concept, that thelife you are living now, is an after-life following your physical demise in a previous lifetime?

Not sure then, why you question linear or do I misunderstand your question?
I do believe however, that we eliminate "time" from the equation, then anything is possible of course, (movie, "Back to the Future" inotherwords.
But for those on the lower? evolutionary scale of learning, I personally think linear makes the more sense.
For instance, Edgar Cayce always gave readings with this linear time frame for the souls.
Often these readings would start (if they were the all Life Readings, rather then the physical ones only, which were also the majority)........he would start "backwards" in counting time.
He literally with one or two readings, was "going, back, back back.......and said so" for instance, 1939, 1935, 1900 conception, 1845,
etc....." then give the reading, choosing as he often said, only the lifetimes that "fit the circumstances of the current life". Not thosewhich the soul apparenlty didn't choose to work on.
What is this?..........Personally I think we are multi dimensional in scope. The linear soul portion, is only 1 piece of something muchhugher (is that a word?

) much more then our feeble minds can possibly comprhend on our scale.

This "piece" we call a soul (Emerson said, the oversoul) is a vitial part and portion of this larger conceptual self-hood..that part that aligns
perfectly with the Whole.

Well of course Cayce gave readings in a linear fashion. The concepts of quantum metaphysics andmultidimensional parallel lifetimes was a bit beyond the capacity of those who sought his services tounderstand. Cayce's associates weren't familiar with the concept of reincarnation when it was first raised in areading some 12 years before the subject was explored circa 1923.
Around 1940, he was told while channeling not to exhaust himself and not to do more than 2 or 3 readings aday, but he could not help it and he went on giving readings until his death on January 3, 1945
I guess in Cayce's next spin around the rock, he will be revisiting the theme of how to 'run energy' without it
impacting on his physical health.
Cayce's past-life as a young Guard at the Gates of Troy. Hah! I bet he fell asleep on the job then too!
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #62 - on: 16.04.2012 at 19:41 [UT+1] »from Phoebe:
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Well of course Cayce gave readings in a linear fashion. The concepts of quantum metaphysics and multidimensional parallel lifetimes wasa bit beyond the capacity of those who sought his services to understand. Cayce's associates weren't familiar with the concept ofreincarnation when it was first raised in a reading some 12 years before the subject was explored circa 1923.

True. And he addressed just this very thing himself in another reading. Making sure to qualify, that linear time,
is not the way it truly is except on this "space-time continuim", but as he said, "for the sake ofunderstanding" the lives are given in a linear expression. Understanding of course, meaning for that particulartime-frame of mass understanding.
He gave a very interesting reading once on a young man who was told, he would find much value and invited to
become the official Astrologer of the fledgling organization (before the A.R.E. called the Investigators,
something or other)
But this young man, a math teacher i think....was hesitant, and had other fish to fry then.
Anyway, cut to the chase, the young man died in a mysterious fashion prior to ever doing what he said hemight do then, become the official Astrologer as Cayce kept prodding him a few times to be.
Cayce also told him he was one of the very few on earth (at that time) who understood Einstein's Theory ofRelativity, so it was around the same time that Einstein's theory was mass communicated around the globe
I'll post a few excerpts from the various readings he had while alive then next post for those who areinterested.
It goes well, this man's life and early death with the topic of this Thread, because Edgar Cayce had tuned in tohis vibration after he died too for the sister who was questioning his untimely death in a manner which wasnever really solved to anyone's satisfaction then.
Cayce eventually wrote to her, that he was fine....and moving on.
Oh, the reason WHY he was the perfect choice as official Astrologer? Because he had been one of the 3 Magi(back then) a Persian lifetime. I suppose they were adept at Mathematics too.
PK:
I'll look and see, but I'd be surprised if I can find it, as one needs to be a member of A.R.E. in order to get the
Venture Inward Magazine itself. My membership is carte'blanche, as I purchased a CD which had a promotion at
the time of membership when you bought the CD.
I've been acquainted with the A.R.E. for most of my life, and often had Study Groups in my own home in theearly days, and attended others in the latter, but I never join organizations if I can help it, as I prefer only
"gleaning and leaving" some info behind, taking what I need and then, proceeding on my own path vs the pathof others.
I also very much enjoyed doing just this activity with the Seth Material and Jane Roberts mediumship, however,those who stayed on that path, it simply was not akin to my own.
I NEVER join IF I can help myself.....another's vibration as everyone's own vibration is unique unto itself.
That's my cardinal belief.
O 11th, is my singleton planet, perhaps the handle of a Bucket formation to
explain better. I truly feel we limit ourselves when we do so....and follow another. I can't do this, I'm basicallythis time around, Cardinal Signs.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #63 - on: 16.04.2012 at 19:53 [UT+1] »Quote from tmorgenstern on 28.03.2012 at 17:30 [UT+1]:
Quote from Krista Shipp on 27.03.2012 at 18:22 [UT+1]:
What do you think of this ??
How do you interpret it?
What astrology tie-in do you glean?
http://www.spiritualresearchfoundation.org/articles/id/spiritualresearch/spiritu alscience/afterdeathKSS

in vedic astrology the 12th house decides where you go after life. The ruler of 12th house is here important. If the ruler of twelveth is in
his own sign or exalted it means you go to heaven. there are other signs too, but that is the only one I clearly remember.

Hi tm,I am currently studying this topic and looking at all potential sources of information. where did you read thisabout the 12th ruler? From what i heard, in general the 12th ruler is considered as an ista devata a deity
worshipped/idolized in the previous life. Well, we all now here confused what is " previous, present or
future...where it all came from and where it is all going

what i found(could be true could be not true) in the indian system can be seen in the chart of death
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #64 - on: 16.04.2012 at 19:58 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 29.03.2012 at 00:03 [UT+1]:
Quote from A Darker Star on 28.03.2012 at 06:14 [UT+1]:
Krista- This is deep. I'm going to need some time to process this all. You and this information activated my 9th house...asD is just about conjunct it's cusp, and TF is exactly m C in the 8th...

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I'll get back to you on this one...eventually! Perspective...that's for sure.

Yes- I read it quite a few times before I decided to post the link...
I know this won't appeal to a broad number of members- but am glad it impacted you and the others who responded.
I am not too familiar with Vedic astrology- but many of the terms used seem to e related..
Much to think about

Kristakrista, so what is your impression of this information? did it click with you in some way?
what made you post it?
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #65 - on: 16.04.2012 at 21:44 [UT+1] »Ref: Quote:Well, we all now here confused what is " previous, present or future...where it all came from and where it is all going

I'm not.

(confused that is.........)

Let's hear what the Vedic perspective is, and then I'll post a chart of old.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #66 - on: 17.04.2012 at 00:05 [UT+1] »I Believe I am- in part- reliving a past life..

D10fm SN exact-H3 q Od- H12 ( O rules empty H8)c rules H12....
Not out of the realm that I may re-live it again
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #67 - on: 17.04.2012 at 01:34 [UT+1] »it is a personal thing, this "Theory"
in my mind it is not a theory at all but a fact.
one can choose to live with full knowledge of the past or
one can swim the waters of lethe and start over,with no memory.
one can sleep while not incarnate or one can remember.
i have been remembering, but as i said it is a very personal thing
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some of us need to take care in our opinions as to not upset others.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #68 - on: 17.04.2012 at 02:10 [UT+1] »Quote from D Hawk on 16.04.2012 at 21:44 [UT+1]:
Ref: Quote:Well, we all now here confused what is " previous, present or future...where it all came from and where it is all going

I'm not.

(confused that is.........)

Let's hear what the Vedic perspective is, and then I'll post a chart of old.

ok, i guess only some of us are confused
I don't know what is past future or present, particularly in light ofreincarnation topic, to me it is all the same, I don't know exactly where it started in linear time and where andhow it will end
what exactly do you guys want to hear about vedic approach? It's pretty much described in the article. a hindu
cosmology102, lokas
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #69 - on: 17.04.2012 at 02:15 [UT+1] »Quote from daniel on 17.04.2012 at 01:34 [UT+1]:
it is a personal thing, this "Theory"
in my mind it is not a theory at all but a fact.
one can choose to live with full knowledge of the past or
one can swim the waters of lethe and start over,with no memory.
one can sleep while not incarnate or one can remember.
i have been remembering, but as i said it is a very personal thing
and should not get in the way of others personal beliefs as we allwalk an individual path back home.
some of us need to take care in our opinions as to not upset others.
dang there goes that 3rd house saturn again.
daniellove that comment on the 3rd H G..
Some scientists take another view on the immortality of soultake a look and share yourthoughts.http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2011/05/23/physics-and-the-immo
rtality-of-the-soul/
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #70 - on: 17.04.2012 at 02:25 [UT+1] »Quote from PKea888 on 17.04.2012 at 02:10 [UT+1]:
Quote from D Hawk on 16.04.2012 at 21:44 [UT+1]:
Ref: Quote:Well, we all now here confused what is " previous, present or future...where it all came from and where it is
all going

I'm not.

(confused that is.........)

Let's hear what the Vedic perspective is, and then I'll post a chart of old.
ok, i guess only some of us are confused

I don't know what is past future or present, particularly in light of reincarnation topic, to me

it is all the same, I don't know exactly where it started in linear time and where and how it will end
what exactly do you guys want to hear about vedic approach? It's pretty much described in the article. a hindu cosmology102, lokas

It can't "end" because it never "began" i.e. All time is ONE time.
Is it hard to conceptualize,? You betcha'
Lokas are of course the "dieties" that the Brahmin Astrologers tell us rule the various planes of consciousness I
believe.
They were mentioned in Ry Redd's book "Toward a New Astrology, the Edgar Cayce approach" but Mr. Redd died
before I could ask him a few pointed important questions......
He died very young from what I recall.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #71 - on: 17.04.2012 at 02:30 [UT+1] »I would love to hear what were the questions, deb?
and why do you think it never began?
did i get it right, you don't want to post in the do not reincarnate thread that i started as you suggested? somefolks are asking for those charts
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #72 - on: 17.04.2012 at 02:36 [UT+1] »Lokas are of course the "dieties" that the Brahmin Astrologers tell us rule the various planes of consciousness I
believe.
not exactly. Loka is a "world" in sanskrit
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #73 - on: 17.04.2012 at 03:08 [UT+1] »Quote from PKea888 on 17.04.2012 at 02:30 [UT+1]:
I would love to hear what were the questions, deb?
and why do you think it never began?
did i get it right, you don't want to post in the do not reincarnate thread that i started as you suggested? some folks are asking for thosechartsI managed to find the thread through "SEARCH" however, now I recall, I felt it was perhaps? inadvertantly
derailed back then. OR perhaps purposefully. Not sure, you decide for yourselves:
Original Thread:
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1267743870/0
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #74 - on: 17.04.2012 at 03:34 [UT+1] »Quote from PKea888 on 17.04.2012 at 02:36 [UT+1]:
Lokas are of course the "dieties" that the Brahmin Astrologers tell us rule the various planes of consciousness I believe.
not exactly. Loka is a "world" in sanskrit"Worlds" in my philosophy are nothing more then concepts.
This is only ONE and all manifestations whether here, there or otherwise, are part and parcel of the ONE.
That is the tough part, the part man cannot or does not have the capacity yet to understand well.
From this link: Theosophical Society:http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/et/et-04.htm
Just here is one of the most difficult problems of the Esoteric Philosophy: how the One becomes the Many
during the course of its manvantaric manifestations, remaining withal apart, and throughout manvantaric timesuperior to its various component portions.
As Krishna phrases it in the Bhagavad-Gita:“I manifest this universe with portions of myself, and yet remain separate and superior thereto.”— 10:42

Just so is man in his sevenfold or tenfold constitution a hierarchical aggregate of hosts of beings
over which the spirit of his constitution presides as the hierarch or logos, remaining separate and distinct fromits children which it emanates during each incarnation; and yet these hosts of beings form in their aggregate
man's constitution or the vehicle of his spirit.
Every one of the physical globes that we see scattered over the fields of space is accompanied by six invisible
and superior globes, forming what is called a Chain. This is likewise the case with every sun or star, planet, andindeed with every moon of every planet. It is likewise the case with those wandering radicals both of the galaxy
and of our own solar system, respectively called the nebulae and the comets.
All have a sevenfold constitution even as man has.
Note: (Cayce's readings also make mention of just such a concept).......pretty much the same, but HE
USES the ORIGINAL 7 Planets to explain as such, each "loka" or indwelling of the spiritual counterpart or higher
manifestation (Vibration) of mancont'd :Loka, meaning "place" or "locality," is used to signify a world or plane; rupa means "form." Now "form" is here
employed technically, and signifies an atomic or monadic aggregation about the central indwelling
consciousness, thus forming a vehicle or transmitter. Arupa means "formless," but this does not indicate there

is no "form" of any kind. It means only that the "forms" in the arupa worlds are of a spiritual type, more
ethereal than are the "forms" of the rupalokas.

Rupalokas are worlds where the body-form or vehicle is more or less definitely composed of matter, ethereal or
physical; whereas in the arupalokas, the spiritual worlds or planes, the vehicle or transmitter is as an enclosing
sheath of energic substance, the entities at least in their higher portions, being clothed in bodies of light,
although obviously not the light-stuff of our physical world.
NOTE: *** While the three highest rupalokas, and even more so the three arupa or spiritual spheres, arerelatively immaterial to us in the lowest or bhurloka, nevertheless they are in all cases as substantial orseeming solid to their respective inhabitants as our physical sphere is to us.

The seven lokas of this diagram, the three arupa and the four rupa, include all the manifested universes, fromthe spiritual down to the spheres of most material density, and therefore including (though it is not sketched inthis diagram) even what is alluded to as the mystery of the "Eighth Sphere." Concerning this last nothing
further can be said, except that it is even more material than is our earth, and may be best described as thesphere of "absolute" matter — the lowest possible stage of our own home-hierarchy in which matter has
reached its ultimate in density and physical concretion. Beneath this last stage begins a new hierarchy; just as
above our present home-hierarchy, could we consciously ascend along the various rungs of this ladder of life,
we should pierce through the laya-center there and enter into the lowest stage of the next hierarchy superior to
our own.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #75 - on: 17.04.2012 at 03:55 [UT+1] »http://edgarcayceastrology.com/
Edgar Cayce's view of astrology was based on the concept of reincarnation. He felt that it was not thepositions of the planets that influence the soul at birth, but that the soul chooses the time in which it wishes tobe born. Most of us, according to Cayce, have had lives before this one, and we bring with us talents, abilities,
and influences from those past lives. These influences, part of the universal law of cause and effect, are called"karma" in Sanskrit. Cayce also tells us that not only have we had previous lives, but that, between lifetimes,
the soul has a life outside the physical world. During these interim periods, the soul experiences levels ofconsciousness that correspond to the vibratory levels of the different planets. Cayce referred to these interim
lifetime experiences as planetary sojourns .
Quote:"Because we have had experiences with the vibrations of the different planets between lifetimes, the planets have an internal
influence on us when we reincarnate into the earth plane. These influences of the planets are felt by us in the form of "inclinations,tendencies, and urges "Reading (781-5).
According to Ryland Redd before he died, he wrote about these in more detail, when he wrote the book I
mentioned above.
The "key" he said, to understanding Cayce's astrological readings, lay more with understanding what "Loka" isfor in Loka, then, you will understand the above mentioned, "planetary worlds" that the soul experiences, "in between lifetimes" or incarnations. This was given to him by the Late Hindu astrologer magazine editor,
and teacher, B.V.Raman who told Redd (during a seminar they both were doing) that Cayce's astrologicalparlance, sounded to him like it had it's roots in the concept of Loka.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangalore_Venkata_Raman
They essentially are planes (call them places, if you need to, but there is NO space)consciousness!

.........there is ONLY

These various planes of consciousness are what you inherit from each lifetime as you leave this plane, you then"go" in consciousness to these various planes (loka) which your higher selves have a "manifested body" of light(etheric energy)
We call them, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter, Mercury etc....but they are all different words or concepts(material bodies here in this solar sytem), which ultimately are supposed to symbolize with words andexperiences what "you" ultimately are in a higher sense.
Everything is vibration. Everything is One.
There is nothing else....All else, is man's need to "identify" these concepts. And so we utilize words like "7Spheres, 7 Planes, 7 Lokas, and on and on.......7 or more planets? Rays, etc. endless names for endlessconceptual understandings of the ONE which is fragmented into many (see Krishna's quote) in the above post 2
posts up! Or here once again:
As Krishna phrases it in the Bhagavad-Gita:“I manifest this universe with portions of myself, and yet remain separate and superior thereto.”— 10:42
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #76 - on: 17.04.2012 at 07:59 [UT+1] »From this link: Theosophical Society:http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/et/et-04.htm
Just here is one of the most difficult problems of the Esoteric Philosophy: how the One becomes the Many
during the course of its manvantaric manifestations, remaining withal apart, and throughout manvantaric timesuperior to its various component portions.
As Krishna phrases it in the Bhagavad-Gita:“I manifest this universe with portions of myself, and yet remain separate and superior thereto.”

Thank you for the link to the original thread, I will repost it in the thread I started today so people will take alook at these charts.
On the other note,just want to clarify, the above link from the theosophical society, is it Cayce's work? or someone else's
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #77 - on: 17.04.2012 at 08:09 [UT+1] »Quote from D Hawk on 17.04.2012 at 03:55 [UT+1]:
http://edgarcayceastrology.com/
Edgar Cayce's view of astrology was based on the concept of reincarnation. He felt that it was not the positions of the planets that
influence the soul at birth, but that the soul chooses the time in which it wishes to be born. Most of us, according to Cayce, have had lives
before this one, and we bring with us talents, abilities, and influences from those past lives. These influences, part of the universal law ofcause and effect, are called "karma" in Sanskrit. Cayce also tells us that not only have we had previous lives, but that, between lifetimes,Ithe soul has a life outside the physical world. During these interim periods, the soul experiences levels of consciousness that correspond tothe vibratory levels of the different planets. Cayce referred to these interim lifetime experiences as planetary sojourns .
Quote:"Because we have had experiences with the vibrations of the different planets between lifetimes, the planets
have an internal influence on us when we reincarnate into the earth plane. These influences of the planets are felt
by us in the form of "inclinations, tendencies, and urges "Reading (781-5).
According to Ryland Redd before he died, he wrote about these in more detail, when he wrote the book I mentioned above.
The "key" he said, to understanding Cayce's astrological readings, lay more with understanding what "Loka" is for in Loka, then, you will
understand the above mentioned, "planetary worlds" that the soul experiences, "in -between lifetimes" or incarnations. This was given tohim by the Late Hindu astrologer magazine editor, and teacher, B.V.Raman who told Redd (during a seminar they both were doing)that Cayce's astrological parlance, sounded to him like it had it's roots in the concept of Loka.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangalore_Venkata_Raman
They essentially are planes (call them places, if you need to, but there is NO space).........there is ONLY consciousness!

These various planes of consciousness are what you inherit from each lifetime as you leave this plane, you then "go" in consciousness tothese various planes (loka) which your higher selves have a "manifested body" of light (etheric energy)
We call them, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter, Mercury etc....but they are all different words or concepts (material bodies here in thissolar sytem), which ultimately are supposed to symbolize with words and experiences what "you" ultimately are in a higher sense.

Everything is vibration. Everything is One.
There is nothing else....All else, is man's need to "identify" these concepts. And so we utilize words like "7 Spheres, 7 Planes, 7 Lokas,
and on and on.......7 or more planets? Rays, etc. endless names for endless conceptual understandings of the ONE which is fragmented
into many (see Krishna's quote) in the above post 2 posts up! Or here once again:
As Krishna phrases it in the Bhagavad-Gita:“I manifest this universe with portions of myself, and yet remain separate and superior
thereto.”— 10:42
am quite familiar with the indian lokas concepts and totally share views about consciousness and the concept of one which i briefly
touched on earlier
So, essentially, Cayce has used pretty much the same loka model as the ancient hindus?
ahh, the mystery of consciousness. Nobody knows exactly how it works while we are alive, how it works in between and everywhereelse.
I find Brahman's ( Visnu's and its avatars superiority and separatism from this universe) quite curious

What were your questions for Redd's?
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #78 - on: 17.04.2012 at 08:22 [UT+1] »Ursula Roberts, Medium of the spirit Ramadahn
http://www.meilach.com/spiritual/books/wisdomoframadahn/wisdomoframadahn.htm
Stainton Moses, Medium of Imperator et al
http://www.meilach.com/spiritual/books/morest/mspteach.htm...all roads lead to Rome home...
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #79 - on: 17.04.2012 at 15:51 [UT+1] »Quote:
Ref: What were your questions for Redd's?

I don't recall any longer, it's been years now.
Primarily having to do with his methods of chart delineations of various past/current lives of the various people
used in his book from the Cayce readings. Using Sidereal, and incorporating from there.
The Sidereal lord of the chart being the essential "loka" , but then again, the MC is very important for loka as
well.
All in all, I think the working model we have in Tropical astrology, while not perfect perhaps, could even be
more perfect had we a better working knowledge of this, is still adequate enough, to get us through the day (asworking astrologers) that is.
I tried to cover the entire idea back then (the prior thread), but since then, have lost interest pretty much andnow he's gone so I cannot revisit my past theory concerns any longer. No point in it.IMO.

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #80 - on: 17.04.2012 at 16:25 [UT+1] »Quote from Phoebe on 16.04.2012 at 08:58 [UT+1]:
Quote from D Hawk on 16.04.2012 at 07:01 [UT+1]:
Quote from Phoebe on 16.04.2012 at 06:46 [UT+1]:
Have any of you who believe in reincarnation and life after death really thought about the concept, that thelife you are living now, is an after-life following your physical demise in a previous lifetime?

Do you mean a linear time frame, like I lived in 1865 (Civil War period) and was reborn in 1947? That kind of time frame?
If so, then yes, I think that is how it works. On this plane, linear times.
(oh, I think I get it.......) you are saying, like "after life", in otherwords, on the astral realm possibly, reliving somethingor other?
Strange,never thought of it that way, but anything is possible I suppose.

Not necessarily linear...
Everything I have read about the 'afterlife' speaks of the soul continuing with their evolution. Getting on with things and exploring newthings. Where and how? If we stick with the linear chronology, say I had a lifetime in the 17th century then my current 20-21st century
life is an afterlife to that one, and I am, indeed, continuing with my evolution and learning and exploring new things.
Not on the astral realm: here, on Earth. My current life has come after the 17th century one....as a linear example.

I think that this is one question that people need to think about to understand the whole concept, many people
look at time as not being linear, and earth being the only physical realm, so when you finish here you don't justhang round till your next physical life is, your off learning and exploring, and this is only one of the learning
experiences .
Some believe the we're many earths, and now only one left...
Many believe that we live all life's now as there is no time, and therefor everything is now....it's a beleif of one
religion (can't remember which one) that time is manufactured for us but doesn't not exist elsewhere so
therefore we are everything right now.
Many theories on life after death require a change in thinking, an expansion on the possibilities, that's the hastthing for people to do. Look at leap years, humanity can't cope with things not being exact, and as it find out
its not what it thought, it simply finds all sorts of ways to make it fit,so we have a leap day.
Do we really only have 12 lunar months? Is there really only 12 houses? It all seems rather to clean cut for me,
I hope they start getting astrologers to translate more of the ancient apology crystal charts, be very interesting
to read.
Cayce is talking aout out sojourns on journeys, and that your asc is the last planet you sojourned on, so what
planet do you think is the one that says we are finished on the earth plane?
All very interesting , especially when you talk to spirit, they discuss time as being spherical....
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #81 - on: 17.04.2012 at 18:10 [UT+1] »I think Life is a Gift !

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #82 - on: 17.04.2012 at 19:04 [UT+1] »Ref: Quote:
Cayce is talking aout out sojourns on journeys, and that your asc is the last planet you sojourned on, so what planet do you think is theone that says we are finished on the earth plane?

The sojourning he speaks of is the so-called, "in between stage" or in between lifetimes here.
It's related to the Loka theory of Brahmin lore.
And related to the planets in a non-literal way.
The symbology we assign to the known planets and this Solar System all part of it.
"Last lifetime" is really a misnomer to think of it this way, because we need to really eliminate time from theequation.
But certainly, the ASC & MC angles are (both Cayce, Tad Mann's theory and some Brahamin, ancient astrology
all agree that the MC is also one of the so-called realms we can understand we've visited, (so to speak) the loka
realms.
We supposedly integrate the experiences we do and examine here in this lifetime, and THEN when passing over,incorporate as we need to (as the higher soul does).....as per each necessary sojourn.
For some it may be Uranian, for some Mercurian, for some a bit of both, for some Saturn, (where energy is said
to be recycled into usable energy) .......All rather strange but interesting to rethink all of this too.
(supposedly), the in-between sojourns, (at least from Cayce's perspective ) .....suggests that they are
represented best by the aspects in the natal chart, as to what we took from it all, (after integrating theexperiences ) and the Signs themselves are representing the various lifetimes that may play a role in our NOW
experience.
From what I can gather, (and if you read the link of the last time we visited this question as to "No need toReincarnate", I think the reprentative natal charts, do not define for us (after we studied them and participatedin that study as best we could), do not seen to represent the "key" to so-called LAST time here.
None that I could discern anyway. Most of their natals do not show them as superior in any way as we'dconceptualize this in our minds to be.
Arcturus was mentioned for one or two.
That's near Spica and Cayce says that once the soul "perfects itself" in this Solar System, it leaves via Arcturus,
and also arrives again, (if so desired by the Higher being) through Arcturus, which seems to be a gateway ofdimensional proporations that I simply do not understand. Cayce's own soul did this, (came back via Arcturus,
perhaps thousands of years prior to being born in this last century), but then again, the "muddle of being in
the maya (illusion) is once again, possible and mistakes made when they do this. What the Buddhists term "theWheel of Life".....(never ending circle, being mired into the karmic energies).....in other words, "you get you
ticket, you take your chance " (my mom's old i gambling days.......
Jesus came back via Arcturus as well, (the chart I use for him, puts Arcturus on the MC 2,0000 yrs ago in VirgoI believe then. Unlke Cayce, he did not fail in his mission, therefore, was able to get out unscathed (unlike
Edgar's soul) who returned probably like 10,000 yrs before being born in 1877 again. That's how much karma
he accumulated to work off, from the re-entry! (IF we use linear time to try to understand it)
Then again, we are talking designated "time again"..........not good to do this. Far Far too off the truth I'msure!
I doubt sincerely any of us can really get it, with our limited capacity (brain power).....
What did Einstein say we were capable of?
Something like 20% .......That's far from any type of capacity to answer everything that we wonder about.
But I think by and large, Quantum Physics is where we should be looking, for they get closer then random
astrological wonderings and disagreements (even on methodology) ever gets us.
It's all nice for the smaller questions (inclinations and synastry and urges) but not the larger questions we aredelving into.
No can do!
p.s. I like very much the now late David Bohm, who Einstein once said about : "If anyone can figure it out(meaning, the missing link, the Unified Field Theory) it's David Bohm!
Well, did he get close? I don't know,but he's a fascinating character, and I can post his natal if anyone wants tosee it.
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #83 - on: 17.04.2012 at 19:26 [UT+1] »Quote from mikalek on 17.04.2012 at 18:10 [UT+1]:

I think Life is a Gift !

Well said, I agree 100%

Hard as it may be at times .

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm
Quote:The brain is a hologram enfolded in a holographic universe. We can view ourselves as physical bodies moving through space. Or we canview ourselves as a blur of interference patterns enfolded throughout the cosmic hologram.
This could be also expressed with the analogy that the brain is like the laser beam that shines through the holographic film to interpret thepatterns. As it turns out, you can preserve the interference patterns of more than one hologram on the same film by using various
different angles of projection of the laser beams.
Therefore, depending on the direction and frequency of the beam that you send through the film, a different hologram will appear. So, if
applied to the brain, consciousness literally becomes the co-creator of the reality portrayed depending upon its angle of perception. This
does not mean that if I am looking at a tree, it is not really there. The tree is there on multidimensional levels, which means that I am
seeing a cross-section of the tree depending on the level of consciousness that I am tuned into. If the brain is a decoder of sorts, then it
can be tuned to different states or frequencies of consciousness, and I will see different levels of tree reality depending upon which one
I'm on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #84 - on: 17.04.2012 at 19:27 [UT+1] »From what I can gather, (and if you read the link of the last time we visited this question as to "No need toReincarnate", I think the reprentative natal charts, do not define for us (after we studied them and participatedin that study as best we could), do not seen to represent the "key" to so-called LAST time here.
None that I could discern anyway. Most of their natals do not show them as superior in any way as we'dconceptualize this in our minds to be.

hey deb ,I gather you don't want to participate in the no need incarnate thread that i reopened?
i posted today my first impression thoughts on a the very few charts posted in your old thread. I am pretty
sure that Cayce used hindu methods. It would be nice if you contribute and post this material in the no needthread since it looks more relevant to that thread than here. or do you feel different?
i think in this thread most folks are either overwhelmed by the gravity of new material or have no interest in it
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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #85 - on: 17.04.2012 at 19:30 [UT+1] »Quote from D Hawk on 17.04.2012 at 19:26 [UT+1]:
Quote from mikalek on 17.04.2012 at 18:10 [UT+1]:

I think Life is a Gift !

Well said, I agree 100%

Hard as it may be at times .

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm
Quote:The brain is a hologram enfolded in a holographic universe. We can view ourselves as physical bodies moving throughspace. Or we can view ourselves as a blur of interference patterns enfolded throughout the cosmic hologram.
This could be also expressed with the analogy that the brain is like the laser beam that shines through the holographic film
to interpret the patterns. As it turns out, you can preserve the interference patterns of more than one hologram on thesame film by using various different angles of projection of the laser beams.
Therefore, depending on the direction and frequency of the beam that you send through the film, a different hologram willappear. So, if applied to the brain, consciousness literally becomes the co-creator of the reality portrayed depending upon
its angle of perception. This does not mean that if I am looking at a tree, it is not really there. The tree is there on
multidimensional levels, which means that I am seeing a cross-section of the tree depending on the level of consciousness
that I am tuned into. If the brain is a decoder of sorts, then it can be tuned to different states or frequencies ofconsciousness, and I will see different levels of tree reality depending upon which one I'm on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm

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I gather you don't want to participate in the no need incarnate thread that i reopened?

I don't think it's true they aren't interested, I just think sometimes, our brains go on "overload" as mine did
years ago.
This can happen, when we introduce new theories and concepts that heretofor, were not considered.
It's easy to go into this state of confusion.
Did David Bohm, freak out when these concepts came to him, both in his personal life (Krishnamurti
friendship), etc. OR was he one who simply had all the answers at the time himself?
Perhaps it's a little of both.
Each interaction of souls on this level feeds the other even when we disagree,sometimes. But often the
disagreements are so large, they cannot be negated into compromise easily.
BTW : I did not see your new thread, so I'll look for it . Iin other words, "you gathered wrongly",
should have sent me a PM and I'd have seen it there.

You

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #86 - on: 17.04.2012 at 21:20 [UT+1] »((((DEB)))))I am having great difficulty trying to eliminate 'time' from the equation.... Like I grasp it & lose it...
Recommended read for me ???

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Re: Life After Death Theory« Reply #87 - on: 17.04.2012 at 21:43 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 17.04.2012 at 21:20 [UT+1]:((((DEB)))))I am having great difficulty trying to eliminate 'time' from the equation.... Like I grasp it & lose it...
Recommended read for me ???

Blessings,
KristaI think David Bohm is excellent, but quite honestly Krista, I don't have the mentality of air either in my natal,
but a slow plodding AC E in j. It takes years to even grasp a tiny bit of it for me too. Probably could
have helped if I were more mathematically inclined instead of an abstract thinker, but we are what we are.
My husband use to joke (years ago), "Well come on Deb, Granny was slooow, but she was OLD"

(He's

mostly Air and Water) it takes me forever to grasp a new concept too. Even the beginnings of one.
Probably a little more easier might be Seth Speaks and Jane Roberts (who wrote both), that one and "TheUnknownReality" (pt.1&2), all should be cheap and available online I'd think used.
But even then, we have to be very careful, imo. to not get caught up in metaphysics without the scientificbacking otherwise, we end up believing in such things as the "made for the masses and $$$$" (The Secret)and such movies as this.
Alice (falling down a rabbit hole) of time.
Specks of Science mixed with new age occultism, is not at all reality, but psuedo-science, meant to exploit
new age quantum physics with Newtonian Physics, and of course the two do not necessarily combine atall! Those types of movies try to convince you they do (combine) and all that is left is division and confusion.
Jane Roberts early books might hold you and suffice, but again, leave that too behind after a few takes of it,
and take only what makes sense to you and then split off.....is my recommendation.
note: some of these books are her own, some are her alter-ego' Seth's.
I'd go for just those few I mentioned, to get my toes wet in that subject area:
They can be seen here:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_13?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&fi eldkeywords=jane+roberts+seth+books&sprefix=jane+roberts+%2Cstripbooks%2C244

I traded mine here, in a book club for an astrology book probably,

so I'd send it to you, (don't have it

anymore), but there should be loads of them out there in used book world, even much cheaper then this one
on Amazon. MUCH, like in a used book store for a dollar paperback, somewhere: Probably locally in your local
stores or even the library, I'm sure, (look there too) before investing:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Seth-Material-Jane-Roberts/dp/0971119805/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334695911&sr=1-3#reader_0971119805

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