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scorpiolibra
MemberSun/moon midpoint« on: 26.06.2010 at 08:09 [UT+1] »HI!
Does anybody have any idea how the transits to this midpoint affect us? Or do they at all?
Mine is at 3 deg g and F, G and J are all around the same degree, or will be soon (again).
Maybe this midpoint is only effective in chart comparisons, who knows..
Thanks!
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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #1 - on: 26.06.2010 at 09:37 [UT+1] »The Sun/Moon midpoint relates to solving that male-female dichotomy within all of us and therefore also
relates especially to RELATIONSHIP.
Normally, strong contact to this midpoint from Saturn and/or Pluto can relate to some separating influences...
Take care,
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scorpiolibra
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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #2 - on: 26.06.2010 at 09:46 [UT+1] »Darn, bad news,
Thanks!

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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #3 - on: 26.06.2010 at 21:45 [UT+1] »I would say it also deals with parents and possible insecurities and misunderstandings.
I have Saturn on this midpoint also. I have learned to grow away from the insecurities and embrace thestrengthening qualities of Saturn. It is how you stand among your world.
I have my midpoint on the Gemini/Sagittarius axis. Saturn is right on the money exact 19*
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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #4 - on: 27.06.2010 at 00:00 [UT+1] »Natally i have Saturn on this midpoint too and Saturn rules my 5th so i guess i get to walk the walk.

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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #5 - on: 27.06.2010 at 00:12 [UT+1] »Interesting. My Saturn i is in the 5h and part of a grand trine. My Vertex is there also.
It has taken forever to overcome the emotional issues, and I see it as more like coping.
I have constantly been separated from parents, family, friends, and such. But I have gotten some very good outof this.

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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #6 - on: 27.06.2010 at 00:25 [UT+1] »Hmm my Saturn trines DE. Ive come to appreciate some Saturnine benefits. I guess.

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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #7 - on: 27.06.2010 at 08:57 [UT+1] »I remember one horrible summer/autumn when transitting Saturn was stationary on Sun/Moon - a disastrous
stay with the old family after returning from a post abroad. I remember feeling absolutely paralysed about
where to go next, finally argued with family and did not see them again for another 2 years. My Asc/MC
midpoint squares Sun/Moon, the next, similar transit involved being assessed for a life insurance package, theprovisions of which I am a whole lot less-than satisfied about now. I was sent to a doctor, hooked up to various
arcane intruments to check out heart rate, some of my precious life blood siphoned away and a heavy-duty
inquisition about my Habits. He gave me the impression he thought I was lying with every single question 'wellperhaps just a small coffee at breakfast and a little glass of wine witth my supper and of course I do lots ofexcercise'
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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #8 - on: 27.06.2010 at 10:10 [UT+1] »Nexus thanx for sharing that one!!! Saturn sure did a number on your life at that time. I didn't speak to theOld Man for several years.
Love the description of arcane instruments.
I hear ya loud and clear on the habits and a what a great example of Saturn. I am thinking back when it wassquare my AB MidPoint and square nSaturn.
Yikes that was when I moved to Richmond, trying to find work and found little. It was the beginning of my not
being able to find viable work nightmare.
I now wonder what kind of effect all the stress and trauma in my life has done to my body. I am in good shapephysically. I am back to a good weight and look better in a bikini than women half my age, but I have put mybody and mind through hell in the past...
Maybe since I have taken precautions some things may be mitigated.
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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #9 - on: 27.06.2010 at 11:45 [UT+1] »Well things like that make me somehow sense that the So/Mo can count. My Venus is 2.5 degrees away fromSo/Mo and I did wonder about the wisdom of staying with family because of the G transit to D, but that senseof paralysis went way beyond that.

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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #10 - on: 27.06.2010 at 13:04 [UT+1] »Quote from Eyesis on 26.06.2010 at 21:45 [UT+1]:
I would say it also deals with parents (a) and possible insecurities and misunderstandings. I have Saturn on this midpoint also.(b) [....]

a)it's the same thing: the first relationship the child experiences is the rel to his/her parents, then their rel toeach other is the first model for man-woman rel. all of these model the future relationships of the child.
so hits to this point can reflect inner life, awareness, rel to parents (either, or the closest of them), personal(main) rel, personal heart vs mind (Moon vs Sun), etc.

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Gender:b) the midpoint itself does NOT deal with "insecurities". that's the load Saturn brings with it when it closely
aspects the MP. misunderstanding - I'd say these come from Neptune aspects.
transiting Saturn to the MP (or SA) can mean loneliness, a time of depression - but the main idea is that of acareful consideration of relationships in terms of stability, durability, dependability, responsibilities involved, etc.
the loneliness, depression, insecurity is a byproduct - when life circumstances do not help.
when in a rel that passes the test of Saturn, such a transit/SA can mean getting married, moving in together,
deciding to form a family, etc.
if, however, such a hit comes after a life of meaningless affairs, or in the midst of an dysfunctional rel, all theflaws become more obvious and - depending on how the individual deals/copes with it can mean a decision tobreak away, be alone for a while to figure out which is which, make wiser decisions in terms of partners, etc.
like Bob Marks says numerous times - Saturn does not cause problems. it simply makes them visible so that
one can no longer avoid or deny their presence.
so - a strong ego with a Saturn = Sun/Moon nataly (Saturn in hard aspect to the MP, 1 drg orb, no more) can
be a mature individual, someone who takes rel and responsibilities seriously, etc.
*every hit to this point in transit or SA always activates the natal recipe. if in the natal there is a planet within
1dgr orb hard asp to this MP, this is the basic inner structure of that personality. so any hit will actually hit thiscomplex of factors.
someone with Saturn natally there will feel right at home with any Saturn hits, will find opportunities to learn
to integrate this better, etc.
someone with Saturn at Sun/Moon natally will respond in a more inflexible way, however toopportunities/challenges -so a hit from Jupiter, Uranus, Pluto may be filled with anxiety and fear bc it brings
sudden change, or 'unwise' expansion - something Saturn doesn't do easily. this is why Pluto hits may bringloss - bc how else can Pluto change 'everything' when the basis of the personality won't give an inch?
I have in my natal ImA/B. there's always some sort of confusion or uncertainty about my rel, and all mypartners have/had some sort of Neptune-Sun aspect in their natal charts. transiting Saturn square Sun/Moon
however had a very nice, stable influence. it made me feel more secure, safer, it brought order and clarity, and Iloved it. at that point, all my doubts about breaking off a rel that was filled with lies and deceit went away and I
felt confident that I had made the best decision for my interests.
on a personal note: whatever qualities are represented by this planet that aspects Sun/Moon in the natal chartmust be integrated into the personality. for me, as long as I was unable to recognize my dark-Neptune side,
this was present in my life, over and over, by men who exhibited all the negative qualities of Neptune. theharder I tried to be honest, and keep firm principles, etc, the harder they lied to me (sort to speak). One must
accept their own imperfections first, so that trhe ability to choose to control them becomes available. everyone
can lie (in the case of Neptune) - it is a matter of choice not to lie, not of ability (no excuses, no nothing).
the same with Saturn: one can be many things. as long as one rejects one of them, that quality will be faced in
one's rel to another who will exhibit and 'play' it. this is how the Sun/Moon functions.

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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #11 - on: 27.06.2010 at 18:13 [UT+1] »i thought that i knew my chart but for years just did not see it. i would be very interested to hear more from asoul who has had the pluto conjunct saturn mid point. nearly exact is uranus sq saturn and neptune opposite
pluto, then progressed venus mars sq natal venus mars. all bunched in 12 transit/progressed but saturn in 8th
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with progressed moon.
the soloar return is moon conjunct sun leaving jupiter as the one so called good transit then chiron conjunctmerc and a few more half dozen but ten are within the 30 minutes. i am not trying to fool anyone as this is apost of a future transit which when i asked for a clue i was told that the pluto saturn was no big deal but adding
these created an end to reply. as it happens my sun is sq moon which makes semi sq saturn in the tenth oh andsaturn transit in the 8th is also semi sq the pluto saturn. i could become super mature and learn all soul lessons
before this comes along but there are 5 more. it has changed my actions. a company has been infringing on apatent i own most of and i am beginning a business but i really would rather do some fun things with mychildren between now and then because just neptune conjunct sun and the kiron return was a lose my familly
again experience. i am not so well developed as i would think would be a requirement for this X 10.

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Re: Sun/moon midpoint« Reply #12 - on: 27.06.2010 at 18:46 [UT+1] »Cris me that is a great read that I will delve into a bit later. Thank you for clarifying some points.
I do wish I could write the long spiels, but I save that for class papers that require word count.
Nap time.
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