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cris_meMembertr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective change?
« on: 29.07.2011 at 11:57 [UT+1] »any transit of Pluto seems to be an intense and profound experience, not mention terrifying well in advance.
things change under its influence, deep and profound change, sometimes compared to a sort of psychologicaldeath and rebirth.
Pluto is associated with psychotherapy and personal transformation, with hidden and deep-buried secrets, withpower, manipulation and control, with sex, and death, and finances. Tyl, an astrologer I very much respect,often speaks of Pluto in terms of adverbs, of personal perspective - but I must admit I'm having a hard time
operationalising that.
Pluto is now in Capricorn, so any Caps out there will feel the blast sooner or later - hitting at the core - theirSun.
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Gender:I'd like to hear personal account from Caps with Sun at the beginning of the sign - who've already felt it.
or Maybe some Sags out there may like to share their opinions about Pluto's hits.
please share house(s) ruled by the Sun and how they were impacted as well as the house the Sun is in.

My Sun is 2 years away from getting the hit. Venus will get it first, but that's another story. the Sun sits in my
11th and rules my 7th, so common sense tells me there will be some psychological growth about a rel/partner
and about friends/groups/life dreams and gains from career (2nd from the 10th). I made some plans to focus
the Pluto energy towards a psychotherapeutical rel - it's the safest way I can think of to go through it and comeout better at the end.this is one rel I know that can play with fire (power games, sexuality, intimacy, death, etc)
and not get burned. but plans often fall short when catching up with real life.
I'd love to know what actually happened in real life and how you coped, and what you learned from it.
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #1 - on: 29.07.2011 at 19:02 [UT+1] »96/7 mainly.
Sun in 2 rules 11.

Pl in 11 natally, disposited by Sun.

This was the time where I got sick and tired of corporate politics, and shifted my ambitions away from wanting
to be VP of marketing or CTO. I went back into software development in a quiet corner of the company until
they shut the corner down a few years later.
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #2 - on: 29.07.2011 at 20:00 [UT+1] »thank you, Ed.
interesting observation about Pluto's influence.
Since Pluto got into my 11th, my ambitions also have changed - away from "big money" and "influence", closer
to my original education (Pluto rules my 9th - something I quit early in the game).

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #3 - on: 29.07.2011 at 20:06 [UT+1] »my sun sign is early aries and my pluto is late libra, so i haven't experience a conjunct, opposition or square oftransitting pluto to my natal sun.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #4 - on: 04.08.2011 at 14:31 [UT+1] »I have never experienced the conjunction and have only experienced Pluto’s square transit to my natal Sun. Under Sun
square Pluto I experienced the death of my father and also got into an abusive relationship. Pluto rules death, loss, andexperiences that change our lives irrevocably.
I researched some examples of Pluto transiting over the natal Sun in conjunction in an astrology blog post. The picture I had
chosen for this post is a little red riding hood style picture, but with a grown woman. I associated the image with danger and a
new experience about to happen that would change her world forever. However, I never thought more about it. Later on, I
was reading a book on fairy tales and it said the tale of red riding hood is actually one clothed about sexual abuse. I was quite
shocked by this interpretation, and thought maybe Mars-Pluto may have fitted this image better, if this was the case. I am
never reading fairy tales again…
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Gender:Pluto transits to the Sun are a time when innocence is stripped down and exchanged for experience and maturity. Pluto is lifechanging and transformational; when astrologers see a person who is undergoing a Pluto transit to their natal Sun they would
expect some kind of major transition in their life. Pluto is the archetype of the transformative, evolutionary force which releases
powerful energy; we may also experience quite a lot of life-changing events packed into a period of two to three years.
When transiting Pluto transited Brad Pitt's natal Sun he visited areas of terrible crisis and destruction (Pluto) and visited theimpact of earthquakes and founded a new organisation to help regenerate (Pluto) homes and played a significant role intransforming the lives of others (Sun). After difficult personal transits from Pluto there is that feeling that we have to build a
new life from the old one. Pluto transits often mark the beginning and ending of chapters in our lives.
When transiting Pluto crossed Britney Spears' Sun, she released Hit me Baby One More Time and her life was totallytransformed overnight ( JmA). Katie Holmes began dating Tom Cruise when Pluto crossed her Sagittarian Sun. Many people
at the time joked that he had kidnapped Katy into his cult. We all know the famous Persephone myth when Hades (Pluto)
abducted a young maiden and changed her life irrevocably. However, I don’t think Katie was such an unwilling victim and she
became pregnant and gave birth to a baby girl around this time, and became the next Mrs Cruise. At the time of therelationship I tend to think of Tom as Hades, Lord of the Underworld, abducting little Katie. J . My Hades, when Plutotransited my Sun (significant male) wasn't so handsome or rich.
When Pluto transited over Kim Basinger's Sun she had full on power-struggles with Alec Baldwin, and what a nightmare it
turned out to be, and the couple were involved in intense custody battles. Jay-Z was accused of attacking a record executive,
and he never apologized for the incident and attributed the whole thing to a loss of control (Pluto). The Amityville killer had
Pluto transiting over his Sun-Saturn conjunction when he murdered his family. Pluto tends to possess and lead to “Loss ofcontrol” and perspective, added to the fact he was evil.
Quote:On November 13th, Ronald DeFeo J.r. the son of a prestigious Italian family killed his parents and four younger siblings in Amityville, Long
Island, U.S.A. The case is the inspiration for the book and film entitled The Amityville Horror. The day of the murders he burst into
Henry’s Bar in Amityville, Long Island, New York and declared: “You got to help me! I think my mother and father are shot!” Defeo and asmall group of people went to 112 Ocean Avenue, and found all six members of the same family dead in their beds. The victims wereRonald Defeo (43), Louise Defeo (42), and four children: Dawn (18); Alison (13); Marc (12); and John Mathew (9). All the victims wereshot around 3.00 in the morning.

I am a ray of sunshine on this thread. I have other examples, but they would give you nightmares.
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #5 - on: 04.08.2011 at 14:50 [UT+1] »I never really answered the question about my perspective changing. Well, I learned that security is not something you canalways rely on and life changes, people close to us die, and others may try to possess, destroy and control you, but that you
have to find your real source of strength and power within. At first I felt numb to most of the changes and then angry andresentful, and eventually realized the landscape of my life had altered and I had changed. Maybe I was less naive about life
afterwards and took people less for granted. I realized monsters do really exist (ex boyfriend) in the world, but I picked up
what was left of my old life and started again.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #6 - on: 04.08.2011 at 22:51 [UT+1] »It's funny the more I've got into astrology, the more I've become able to break things down by simple
descriptions to get at meanings.
So with Pluto I always see that as being about empowering the individual (for the sun). With a conjunction it'sa fairly positive aspect that integrates easily because pluto's trying to empower the sun with the same qualities

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By comparison with a square you have the action of two houses that have different ways of being. So if you
have a natal 5th house sun that's all about self-expression and enjoying itself and spending money, but pluto
goes through the 8th focusing energy inwards and on being deep and efficient there's a clash. Pluto wants yoursun to become more 8th housey. With an opposition it's more likely to manifest in a power struggle withsomeone else.
To give some further insight on the effects of pluto here's some of my past transits from it ... pluto madesquares to my eABD and conjunct FI back in 1993-96. Some of that was painful but it was a period
where I began to grow from living at home and being dependent on my parents to wanting to break away andbe thoroughly independent. When pluto trined my eABD in 2006-07 I completed that work of gaining my
independence and finally felt ready to be interdependent. I felt powerful enough in myself to be able to open up
to others. I became able to ask others for their help when I needed it, I was able to admit weakness where I
had it, and I felt able to give praise and compliments to others without it feeling like I'd diminish myself. In thepast I think I viewed doing those things as giving your power away ... that if you give someone a compliment
then you open yourself up to them abusing that in some way and taking advantage of you. I think pluto
empowered me to see that they can only abuse you if you let them.
I currently have pluto trining my natal mercury. Again it's not feeling too difficult. I'm slightly more obsessive(or rather focused because pluto focuses us and makes us single-minded) reading lots of psychology and selfhelp books but otherwise it's all quite pleasant! In fact it occurs to me as I finish off this post that I said it in
the first paragraph ... I'm finding breaking things down into simple descriptions really aids my understanding oftransits. Perfect expression of pluto's analytical, efficiency acting on my mercury!
Hope that all makes some sort of sense

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #7 - on: 05.08.2011 at 01:12 [UT+1] »My natal sun is 6 degrees cap. My moon is 4 degrees cancer. Pluto,saturn and uranus have pretty much guttedme emotionally. Although I am much stronger now. I dont know which is responsible though. I'll give you all aquick insight on the past year of my life. On August 1st 2010 I found out my wife was having an affair (not along one. It just started probably around May) and we split. We have a two year old named Zoey. She filed
divorce papers mid september. In late september I reconnected with an ond girlfriend of mine. She was very
special to me. We were together for about three years a while before I met my wife. Anyways we started
getting close again and then she died on January 17th 2011. In February I had to have surgery for a hernia. In
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Gender:April I was laid off at work. In may I moved in with a friend about 70 miles from my home because I got a jobin that area. Now my soon to be ex wife says she misses me.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #8 - on: 05.08.2011 at 01:16 [UT+1] »I would just post my chart but am not able to at this time. You can look at my older posts and its in there
somewhere. My sun is in the sixth house. My sun rules my second house. Pluto is in my fourth house and rules
my fifth house

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #9 - on: 05.08.2011 at 01:22 [UT+1] »I also got into astrology and spirituality at this time. I have been on a quest for my truth since it all started

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #10 - on: 05.08.2011 at 01:39 [UT+1] »I went thru T J in opposition to my 11th house sun in my twenties. During the build up to the exact
opposition in 1974,1975 I refused to reorganize my life, make serious career goals for myself, and generally felt
confused about my goals and desires. I also hung on desperately to a destructive relationship. This was a 5/11
house opposition. Then in 1976 I had T Saturn conjunct my natalPluto in the 4th and the exact opposition to
my sun and pluto. within weeks I began to transform my life for the better. The next two years it was asteady, slow process of transforming my life. I got sober, began intensive therapy, and completed graduate
school. So by the time my Saturn return came at 29 my entire life had been transformed. It was a hell of aride from 1974 thru 1980, but it was the classic example of rising from the ashes. I am hoping the upcoming
square of Pluto to my sun is not as difficult; I have n Pluto trine to my sun because I don't have the energythat I had in my twenties. My advice is not to fight the changes or what needs to be purged and swim with thecurrent. Ask for help if you need it; Pluto stuff is not for whimps.
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #11 - on: 05.08.2011 at 03:24 [UT+1] »Quote from Mojoloco on 05.08.2011 at 01:12 [UT+1]:
My natal sun is 6 degrees cap. My moon is 4 degrees cancer. Pluto,saturn and uranus have pretty much gutted me emotionally. Although I
am much stronger now. I dont know which is responsible though. I'll give you all a quick insight on the past year of my life. On August 1st2010 I found out my wife was having an affair (not a long one. It just started probably around May) and we split. We have a two year old

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Gender:named Zoey. She filed divorce papers mid september. In late september I reconnected with an ond girlfriend of mine. She was very
special to me. We were together for about three years a while before I met my wife. Anyways we started getting close again and then she
died on January 17th 2011. In February I had to have surgery for a hernia. In April I was laid off at work. In may I moved in with a friend
about 70 miles from my home because I got a job in that area. Now my soon to be ex wife says she misses me.

Wow sounds intense. It has not completely passed over, so I'm wishing you well, and I'm sorry for what has
happened. My old room mate is 6 degrees Cap, and he seems to be going through some rough times. He
seems to not have a lot of direction, and he is lonely. He is a contractor, so he lives out of a suitcase. Also oneof his daughters died 7 years ago. He had a heart attack 5 years ago, when I lived with him. Anyway, I rented aroom from him and when I moved out he started to renovate his house and now the guy that helped him
renovate it has gotten cancer. For a while he kept on talking about living in a tent in California. He seems tostart a lot of projects and not finish them, and I know that he just wants something to look forward to, but hecan't find it. I'm hoping he does.
My A is 8 degrees j, and I am afraid I am going to lose very much, too. I still have fear, and I know I needto let that go. However, so far I have learned some things. I started volunteering this summer (for school) foran environmental organization and it gave me more joy than anything has for a while. My material desires andinsecurities are starting to vanish. I am hoping things will get better, but I'm afraid they may get worse first.
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #12 - on: 05.08.2011 at 03:34 [UT+1] »You friend that wants to live in a tent in califoria...I feel exactly the same almost. I'd like to just go off of theradar for a while. I feel like I don't need much of anything except my freedom.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #13 - on: 05.08.2011 at 03:37 [UT+1] »I feel as if I just don't want to be controlled or limited or tied by anything. This could also be uranuses doing.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #14 - on: 05.08.2011 at 03:51 [UT+1] »Quote from Mojoloco on 05.08.2011 at 03:34 [UT+1]:
You friend that wants to live in a tent in califoria...I feel exactly the same almost. I'd like to just go off of the radar for a while. I feel likeI don't need much of anything except my freedom.

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Gender:Yeah, I know what you mean. Today at work I just started to feel like I was going literally insane, like I was in
an insane asylum. I'm a waitress, and I work at an Irish Pub that play Irish folk songs all day, the same loop. I
found myself humming along like I always do, and I don't know, I just felt like I was a patient humming a tune
to myself. That is just a little snippet of some of the things that I have been feeling lately, but I feel like my life
needs a revolution.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #15 - on: 05.08.2011 at 04:57 [UT+1] »Oh geez....transiting J thru my natal 7th began 7 years ago when I suddenly decided to divorce myhusband. Two and a half yrs later we parted after a lot of bizarre and crazy relationship experiences occurred in
the house...not good. Then once on my own after 22 yrs and swearing off being involved with anyone I met
someone with in a year and found myself deeply in love.
This coincided with my progressed J in exact m with my p.A and p.E all 3 planets at 0 degree's f.
He was an 8th house h ACEI. He had transiting J m his natal D.

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The relationship nearly destroyed me and I have been put thru so much in my life and have always
rebounded.
After 1 yr he left me for someone else and then came back and then went back to her and ended up recently
putting a final goodbye to our r-ship...4 years later.
I feel so in the grips of J and this obsessive desire to have this person love me tho I know so obviously that
he will most likely treat me badly. I have NEVER been thru anything like this in any r-ship that I have been in.
It is like...J demands that I be in chains to this man so that I drain all the issues of self degradation out ofme so that I may truly love and be loved in a supremely healthy manner.
this is the only explanation I can attach to this deeply painful and bazar behavior I am entrenched in.
My ex-husband has his jA at 5 degree's. He recently told my 18 yr old daughter, his only child, that he was
exposed to agent orange in Viet nam and then 2 months later physically assaulted her for the first time everand then promptly abandoned her. No one knows where he is.
So I am now suffering at J hand regarding my only child and relative.
For the past 4 years it has been a good day when it is that I don't feel the depths of despair wanting to takeme down deeper than I can handle.
And now my progressed moon is 3 degree's away from an exact m with J and A so on and off I am
feeling like my emotions are just more than I can bare and I am a dA with my JmB...
Yes I feel like I could go on and on about all the strange things that have occurred that revolve around deathand dying for these past years.
I know what the rewards are and I already can thank J for the growth but J is not for the emotionally weakor soft cause he strips you of all your safety nets and makes you face and sink into all your fears, all your issues
and then makes you look at those around you who are dying deaths because they failed to face their life issues.
You need to dig down so damned deep and find what ever might be in there to keep you afloat.
Its tempting to give up at times and let J just take you down cause it just keeps on seeming like thats somuch easier.
And its not depression. I am still very social and enjoy being with people. I don't desire to sleep my days
away. I am not into substance abuse.
I exercise regularly...I eat regularly etc...I still enjoy my hobbies etc...
I just want a rest from the J intensity that is like nothing I could ever have imagined!!

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #16 - on: 05.08.2011 at 07:55 [UT+1] »When T J m my A in H1 I learned to read. I picked it up very quickly and was always years ahead of myclassmates.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #17 - on: 05.08.2011 at 21:59 [UT+1] »wow, some pretty intense experiences...
I hope more people who lived through this transit find this thread and share. I've read pretty much everything
there is (bboks, internet, etc) on each transit I've been through but still the actual life experience is quite
different.
also - I have Plu sq Sun natally and also generally speaking - a square is bound to bring more frustration andconflict than any other aspect, including the conj, bc that's its nature - 2 energies wanting two different andincompatible things.
the conj is a diff sort of meeting of energy, merging together, going for the same thing. in theory, the deeper,"true" self should come out when Pluto merges with the Sun, and self-confidence and the power to direct ones
life should be side-effects.
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Gender:I remember quite vividly what it was like when Pluto conj my Mercury-Neptune in Sag in the 10th a few years
back. I had no confidence in my "insights" and "intuition", and my fascination with powerful people also stoodin the way. so what happened was that I suddenly found myself in the midst of powerful, but also quite rotten
people. and struggled to mediate between the feeling that their character and low morality made my stomach
turn up-side-down, and my attraction to the influence and power they had, their "success" and the fact that I
seemed to be the only one that thought things were not "all-right". it took me a few years to clear my head of
all the fantasies (heck, Merc conj Nep, what did I expect), but by the end of it - indeed - I was no longer naive
and knew I could trust my "gut" and my mind to point me in the right direction.
thank you all for sharing! hope more people join in

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #18 - on: 05.08.2011 at 23:30 [UT+1] »Quote:
the conj is a diff sort of meeting of energy, merging together, going for the same thing. in theory, the deeper, "true" self should come out
when Pluto merges with the Sun, and self-confidence and the power to direct ones life should be side-effects.

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Gender:I have been having major issues lately feeling like people don't 'respect' me- at work, etc... I feel like I knowthat I deserve more, but I am afraid of being courageous. I think issues with courage are definitely going tocome to the fore. My entire life I have always been very obedient and quiet- always respected authority nevertalked back never got sent to the principals office or anything, but as I get older I see that the 'mavericks' thepeople who refuse to respect authority seem to get more respect from authority. That's what seems to beplaying out around me. If you don't stick up for yourself, you will always be ignored. I have a real hard timedealing with this and understanding it. I don't know how to be diplomatic.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #19 - on: 06.08.2011 at 08:01 [UT+1] »Quote from Sassafrass on 05.08.2011 at 23:30 [UT+1]:
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the conj is a diff sort of meeting of energy, merging together, going for the same thing. in theory, the deeper, "true" self
should come out when Pluto merges with the Sun, and self-confidence and the power to direct ones life should be sideeffects.

That's what seems to be playing out around me. If you don't stick up for yourself, you will always be ignored. I have a real hard timedealing with this and understanding it.

you know, this is a lot like what I was dealing with when it conjuncted my Mercury. Pluto was already in my
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quite earned my place there.
fascinated by all of them, but with my head firmly in the clouds.
I had always been "smart" and quite good of talking my way through everything, but during that transit, I was
so intimidated by those people that I found myself baffled and unable to speak my mind, or talk back, oranything... during those years (damn, Pluto moves slowly),I started to make jokes about the blonde dyegetting into my brain and dying my gray matter as well - cos I really felt stupid. and I can only imagine what
they thought of me... gosh! I almost forgot this: they called me Barbie at work
especially after they noticed
that the new VP liked me, and his name was Ken.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #20 - on: 06.08.2011 at 16:23 [UT+1] »it's all good...eventually. J m my Sun in i, 28 degrees a few years back now. complete transformation of myself. none of my friendships remained. "gutted" is a good word.
But it is all good. Death and rebirth. J forces you to connect to your own truth at a much deeper level, andyou will be grateful to it, eventually.
check out "dealing with difficult Pluto transits" by victoria bazeley.
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Also Stephen Arroyo, "Astrology, Karma and Transformation" section on J transits. That kept me sane.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #21 - on: 09.08.2011 at 09:59 [UT+1] »Quote:
Lia11 said,
it's all good...eventually. my Sun in , 28 degrees a few years back now. complete transformation of my self. none of my friendships
remained. "gutted" is a good word.

But it is all good. Death and rebirth.

J forces you to connect to your own truth at a much deeper level, and you will be grateful to it,

eventually.

I can support this statement.New friends-new life.I have used this phrase before my J transit to A.Now it is
the fully realized motto of my soul as J makes the last pass on my 4D j A in the 4th.I am cautious still but
do not fear, as much has been learned.There is more,transiting O is m my B in a 1D in 7th,natal O 2D d in10th,natal E 0D ASC in 12th.Known as a Grand Cross or Square.You can only be grateful if you
shift/transform old limited thinking and perceptions.
I would like to add more but it is late here.Catch up by checking posts in profile.Somewhere in them is mychart.I'm always looking for help and more light to be shed on this subject as well as whatever help i cancontribute.
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #22 - on: 09.08.2011 at 21:31 [UT+1] »Michael,I hope you don't mind that I've posted your chart here. We've shared thoughts about it, as I own these same
early cardinal degrees with you. Yours is a perfect snapshot of the Plutonian, Uranian and Saturnian energy inplay with your Cardinal Cross ... well, Saturn's merely moving into conjunct with Neptune in your first !
Hopefully, that transit will put some structure into new visions of your life, as the RX outers finally direct
during this autumn.
Yes, all paralyzed Plutonian transited ones ... if you feel like you're being yanked back, and back in a sling-shot
consider that all the "big boys" - outers - are RX, but this will pass, making it easier to move forward again.
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Gender:Lia, thanks for reminding me to curl up with Arroyo's book. His "Pluto Evolution of the Soul" got me into Pluto
theory in the first place along time ago ... but I just acquired this book lately.
My personal transit is opposing the Sun, conjunct Saturn and square Moon. All of this since 2009-2010-2011.
It will proceed to the Arie/Libra nodes when it directs. I am expecting a lot from that particular square !!! I
don't mean to distract with what is not a Pluto conjunct Sun in my case ... but there are similarities. Redefining self through loss, self-isolation, deep meditation are the most resonant themes.
To all of our Caravans, cabanas, tents on the beach -- no radar. Here's Michael's chart.
from the cavern, Moira

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #23 - on: 10.08.2011 at 04:13 [UT+1] »Quote from Michael R on 09.08.2011 at 09:59 [UT+1]:
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Lia11 said,
it's all good...eventually. my Sun in , 28 degrees a few years back now. complete transformation of my self. none of myfriendships remained. "gutted" is a good word.

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Gender:But it is all good. Death and rebirth.
grateful to it, eventually.

J forces you to connect to your own truth at a much deeper level, and you will be

J transit toA.Now it is the fully realized motto of
J makes the last pass on my 4D j A in the 4th.I am cautious still but do not fear, as much has been learned.There is
more,transitingO is m my B in a 1D in 7th,natal O 2D d in 10th,natal E 0D ASC in 12th.Known as a Grand Cross or Square.You can
I can support this statement.New friends-new life.I have used this phrase before mymy soul as

only be grateful if you shift/transform old limited thinking and perceptions.
I would like to add more but it is late here.Catch up by checking posts in profile.Somewhere in them is my chart.I'm always looking forhelp and more light to be shed on this subject as well as whatever help i can contribute.
MichaelI have same moon degree as you... dont have as much energy going on with that but yeah I at times very rash
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #24 - on: 10.08.2011 at 05:37 [UT+1] »I am deeply interested in this thread and have been collecting my thoughts.
I have been a seeker of knowledge/wisdom/understanding of the world i live infor most of my adult life.Especially in light of the extreme difficulties andchallenges i have struggled with in relationship to my personal life and with theworld and those that live in it.The interpersonal relationships are what is
important above all else for me. Our interactions with each other are what
seems to determine the quality of the reality we live in by our intentions,consciously and subconsciously,which results in what is created.
The myriad of subjects/beliefs/teachers that have come my way or that i researchedhave all been fascinating and full of information,sometimes with revelations &epiphany's.Contributing to what i felt was my personal journey and possiblythat of others.There were always threads that seemed to connect in some way
to form a large tapestry that i am still weaving together.There appears to bea near completion of that project as our world is rapidly approaching some sortof shift of consciousness.
How these challenges of my Grand Cross were observed through time and thecourse of my life,has resulted in the synergistic lessons of the different aspects
and areas of the cross.One being the acceptance of others who were not able
to accept me and the changes i was experiencing or wanting to envision,andmove on with or without them.Which is very difficult to deal with when it involves
those closest to you.Sometimes that means the loss through death and divorce.
I have been married twice and felt those losses deeply,but learned to love that
person who reflected/mirrored to me aspects of myself that needed healing.At times
healing or at least helping them.It's their choice to accept that attempt.I can honorthat now and move on knowing i did all that was possible within my ability.
As many who have testified to PLUTO'S effects,i retreatedfrom life and grounded myself with a safe place to live,that was relatively easy
to sustain my existence with the meager resources i had available.I was in a voidthat was very lonely and limiting,but was at peace though still asking for help
and guidance deep inside.In looking back i was an empty vessel,waiting to berefilled.Little could i have imagined that Jm my A was preparing me
by eliminating from my life what did not work,the death aspect associated with
it.Creating a need/desire to manifest a new vision,which is ongoing in thattapestry i alluded to.
My perspectives have been transformed in that process to find a deeper connectivity
to this reality and what it has to teach us and offer a potential of spiritual growthand new thinking to create a higher frequency through the heart-mind
union and conscious intention.The entrance of O transiting my B ina 7th
activated my cross dynamically to give me some tools(computer/communication skills)
to express my thoughts and heart to the collective as well as meet and communicate
with a partner to heal my heart and loneliness.
I am hard pressed due to either CRX or my antiquated computer to post this before
i lose this reply as has already happened a few times.This forum does not have a featurethat i am aware of to save drafts and prevent loss.
Sassafras
I can read that potential for rashness in your face that is so very beautiful.Love that andturn it over to the heart with your intent/will.Own your personal power and trust yourself.
It's all good takes a great deal of meditation/contemplation.Dont give up.
Sincerely

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #25 - on: 10.08.2011 at 08:51 [UT+1] »Quote:
My perspectives have been transformed in that process to find a deeper connectivity
to this reality and what it has to teach us and offer a potential of spiritual growthand new thinking to create a higher frequency through the heart-mind
union and conscious intention.

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face the music and own my personal power- with that takes some creativity and courage, though..
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #26 - on: 10.08.2011 at 10:29 [UT+1] »Cris_me,I have been through this and it was pretty textbook. My Sun is in 10th, rules 7th and 8th, and is conjunctVenus Nep and Jupiter so it was part of a big whammy transit of a stellium (one that also includes NN, MC and
Merc a bit further away from the Sun). My Pluto is in 8th, in sextile natally to the stellium.
I would say that ultimately it was the most positive transit of my life. I was in my early twenties and after neverreally having an intimate relationship I began a very intense one that lasted 7 years (first transit of Venus).
Then when it transited my Sun, after quite a few years tooling around with friends, working in low level jobs
and avoiding further study I went to university, did well and haven't looked back. It began my professional life,
which clearly is important to me having 5 planets in the 10th. But until this time I was totally living under theradar, lacked confidence and direction, and somehow didn’t have a clue as to how to get intellectual stimulationand enjoy vocational challenge. That could have a lot to do with having a v. close Sun/Nep conjunction but
Pluto tore through that. I wouldn’t say the time was easy but it did undoubtedly change my life for the better.
Now, many years later, I have begun a relationship where my Pluto conjuncts the Sun of my friend, to me it
feels an incredible, fated attraction. There is something unavoidable about Pluto.
I tell you what I’m really scared of, more than of any other transit – Pluto conjuncting my Ascendant, andsquaring that stellium. It has to get through Capricorn first but not long after…
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #27 - on: 12.08.2011 at 01:16 [UT+1] »Lol. Now thats funny. I just hope he was packing a little more than Ken. Anyways I've got mercury at 12deg cap
so after it finishes up with my sun I can look forward to that. Then on to my descendant at 13 deg cap. I feellike I just cannot plan anything. For a capricorn that is hard.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #28 - on: 12.08.2011 at 04:47 [UT+1] »Dear Mojoloco, and all in the paralytic Plutonian vortex: a short zen tale.
"Sozan, a Chinese Zen master, was asked by a student "What is the most valuable thing in the world?"
The master replied: "The head of a dead cat.""Why is the head of a dead cat the most valuable thing in the world?" inquired the student.
Sozan replied: "Because no one can name its price."~~~

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To address Mojoloco specifically, and others with the Pluto transit on the Sun, (it's on Saturn opposite my Sun)... yes ... all the structures and values are getting trashed, and one can only "know" that there's an internal
spiritual reason for this. Your life and values need to move in different directions. When Pluto's past the sun(grand filter for all in our charts), the tensions will ease. Pluto works well with other planetary points, so thoselike Mojoloco with Mercury and the DSC (and other Capricorn points) coming up in the future should experience"HOW" to put all of this into play, with less of the sturm and drang of this current transit to our Suns or Moons,wondering WHY and WHAT.
Looking forward to the last pass, if I make it 'til November ...

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #29 - on: 12.08.2011 at 08:04 [UT+1] »Quote from Michael R on 09.08.2011 at 09:59 [UT+1]:
New friends-new life.

your Sun rules the 11th - friends; transiting Pluto also passed over the IC which is always a "new start in life"
Quote from Michael R on 10.08.2011 at 05:37 [UT+1]:
The interpersonal relationships are what is
important above all else for me. The Moon in the 7th[...]
As many who have testified to PLUTO'S effects,i retreatedfrom life and grounded myself with a safe place to live,that was relatively easy
to sustain my existence with the meager resources i had available.

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thank you for sharing, Michael. I'm always wondering and looking for clues to add details and substance totransit interpretations, and your story seems to provide just that. the experience of the transit seems to bevery well connected to the natal chart - house transited, but also rulerships. I tried to write some sort ofsynthesis above - feel free to comment on it. since Pluto rules your 3rd (mindset, etc), I don't see any relevancehere (in SA, for instance, we can also add the house ruled by the SA planet into the interpretation bowl)
I think the losses and the death came from the squares (to the Moon, etc), and not from the conj to the Sun.
Maybe you could find stronger arguments by looking at the exact dates and correlating with the transits activethen.
you didn't mention anything specific about the opp to Uranus in the 7th - or maybe I missed it.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #30 - on: 12.08.2011 at 08:24 [UT+1] »Quote from unwoman on 10.08.2011 at 10:29 [UT+1]:
My Sun is in 10th, rules 7th and 8th, and is conjunct Venus Nep and Jupiter My Pluto is in 8th, in sextile natally to the stellium.

My Sun also rules the 7th, but from the 11th, and also conj Venus - so I'll probably have a similar exp to yours,
I guess
and my Pluto also sits in the 8h, r9th - but this part doesn't seem to matter - or did it?
Quote from unwoman on 10.08.2011 at 10:29 [UT+1]:
I would say that ultimately it was the most positive transit of my life. [...] I wouldn’t say the time was easy but it did undoubtedly
change my life for the better.

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Quote from unwoman on 10.08.2011 at 10:29 [UT+1]:
I began a very intense one that lasted 7 years (first transit of Venus). Then when it transited my Sun, [...] it began my professional life,[...]

So in your case, Venus is also acting as a relationships boss, not just the Sun (by its rulership over the 7th).
I've been wondering about this a lot. Sometimes - most of them actually - my Venus seems completely
indifferent to any transit it gets - and I was looking at it being 'sunburned' as a possible explanation.
in my case, Venus always gets a transit first, before the Sun does - 4 degrees between them - and I'm neversure which of them impacted my relationships: the so called general ruler Venus or the actual ruler in my chart,
the Sun.
any comments?
Quote from unwoman on 10.08.2011 at 10:29 [UT+1]:[before that I] lacked confidence and direction, and somehow didn’t have a clue as to how to get intellectual stimulation andenjoy vocational challenge.[...] Pluto tore through that.

this is it, probably. this is what tr Pluto conj Sun is all about. in your case, it seems to reflect more the houseposition (and less the house ruled by the Sun.) right?

Quote from unwoman on 10.08.2011 at 10:29 [UT+1]:
I tell you what I’m really scared of, more than of any other transit – Pluto conjuncting my Ascendant, and squaring that stellium. It has toget through Capricorn first but not long after…

don't be! I just lived trough a tr Neptune conj the Asc, and there is no worse influence than Neptune in my
book! the ugly part is probably the health - the weak link could break. It did in my case. the natal chart - theaspects to the Asc, planets i the 6th, 8th, 12th can tell you what the weak links may be. you could also checkthe SR charts for that year/s. I find them very reliable. in my case, I also had SR Saturn conj SR Asc the year
Neptune hit it, so ...it could work.
I've just had 2 clients with the same Asc in Sag and both lived through the Pluto conj. I haven't met them inperson s I could not ask things, but they're both still here
yes, one of them I suspect has had some nasty
health problems, but I think they reflected the 12th Moon sq Pluto in the natal. and I'm a firm believer that one
CAN release toxic energies on purpose when one wants to. I mean - had she worked on her anger towards hermom, maybe - just maybe - things would've been easier. dunno. I'd like to think so. Pluto is all about
empowerment. it brought us psychotherapy. I don't think it's about getting kicked down for no reason. again,
my belief. no reasons why it should be true.
thank you for sharing!
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #31 - on: 12.08.2011 at 10:08 [UT+1] »I'll have J m DA in about 3 years time in my fourth house.. I'm little scared and just hoping everyone in myfamily will be OK..

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #32 - on: 12.08.2011 at 15:01 [UT+1] »Marija L,
Why are you living in fear of what may happen 3yrs from now,instead of living today and making the best of
every moment in the now?
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #33 - on: 12.08.2011 at 15:08 [UT+1] »Hi Michael
I would love to, but transit J is right on my IC, and O on the descedent witch makes me
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #34 - on: 12.08.2011 at 17:42 [UT+1] »Marija L,
If you look at my chart which was posted,you should see that we have some things in common.This thread,among others that are pertinent,exists so you can learn from others who are experiencing what is approaching
you.I am empowered my J/O transits as i am moving through my last hit from JmA.The addition of O canenhance these communications through this medium(computer/forum),as we all share.It is your choice if you
want to hang on to the fear.It only serves you when you need to protect yourself and react to imminent danger
such as stepping hard on the brakes in your car to avoid sinking into the flooded street.
Trust yougut(intuition)and envision great rewards as the result of J's transit.This is another thread that might interestyou;
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1310256099
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #35 - on: 12.08.2011 at 20:20 [UT+1] »Wow Michael R, such an intense chart that you haveWell, I guess it's in my nature to be always concerned... My brother who is one year younger then me is alsojA and he will have JmA in about same time as me...it's in his 8th house. My parents are in good health,
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but all those Pluto transit experiences that I read make me worried..
But you are right, I shouldn't think about it..

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #36 - on: 12.08.2011 at 23:48 [UT+1] »Quote from cris_me on 12.08.2011 at 08:24 [UT+1]:
Quote from unwoman on 10.08.2011 at 10:29 [UT+1]:
I would say that ultimately it was the most positive transit of my life. [...] I wouldn’t say the time was easy but it did
undoubtedly change my life for the better.

this is nice. this is the kind of positive and constructive story I like to hear. nice to have some balance to the doom and 'end of your world'
crap.

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Hi Cris,I'm always an optimist about charts/transits and what may be in store, so I've strived to keep an open andenlightened mind to what Pluto wants of me during this long transit, and on the behalf of others in the forum.
It becomes very complicated with my own internal sense of what I must do, pitted against the realities &responsibilities of my life at this point. This transit does feel like "an end to your world" as you've known it.
Hopefully the life adventure beyond does not prove to be "crap".
to where you should be.

If you move with Pluto, Pluto will move you

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #37 - on: 13.08.2011 at 23:41 [UT+1] »Hi Cris_me
Thanks for your response.
My Sun also rules the 7th, but from the 11th, and also conj Venus - so I'll probably have a similar exp to yours,
I guess and my Pluto also sits in the 8h, r9th - but this part doesn't seem to matter - or did it?

Well it is a bit hard to separate out Pluto sitting in the 8th, its own house, with just plain Pluto. But in my case
Pluto co-rules the 10th so it would have added to the vocational emphasis of Pluto transiting that house and allits planets. I'd say your friendships will definitely be transformed in some way - they will become more true toyou. Maybe a 9th house ruler Pluto could bring issues related to foreign or philosophical/academic friends?
So in your case, Venus is also acting as a relationships boss, not just the Sun (by its rulership over the 7th).
I've been wondering about this a lot. Sometimes - most of them actually - my Venus seems completely
indifferent to any transit it gets - and I was looking at it being 'sunburned' as a possible explanation.
in my case, Venus always gets a transit first, before the Sun does - 4 degrees between them - and I'm neversure which of them impacted my relationships: the so called general ruler Venus or the actual ruler in mychart, the Sun.
any comments?

I've never thought about this - interesting. Very hard to separate, especially because yours are in a house of
relationships. Maybe transits to your Sun affect one to one relationships while transits to your Venus affectyour friendship networks more broadly. All I wish for me was there was more relationship action in my life
fullstop. (I think somehow the strong 10th house emphasis of my stellium means that everything, including
relationships, can be given expression through vocational pursuits - falling for someone I am working with,
sublimating love in work, etc.) But I do think transits to Venus have an impact - a recent Jupiter opposition to
my Venus coincided with the beginning of a relationship. It continued through the opposition to the Sun. My
Venus is also 3-4 degrees before the Sun.
this is it, probably [transforming life]. this is what tr Pluto conj Sun is all about. in your case, it seems toreflect more the house position (and less the house ruled by the Sun.) right?

No, the relationship that started way back then was the major one of my life, so far. It is now long over. Those
two things - love and vocation - are extremely hard to separate in my life. Sun rules 7 and 8. Venus co-rules
10 and 4. Venus is conjunct Libra MC and Sun (closer to Sun)
don't be [scared]! I just lived trough a tr Neptune conj the Asc, and there is no worse influence than Neptune
in my book! the ugly part is probably the health - the weak link could break. It did in my case. the natal chart the aspects to the Asc, planets i the 6th, 8th, 12th can tell you what the weak links may be. you could also
check the SR charts for that year/s. I find them very reliable. in my case, I also had SR Saturn conj SR Asc theyear Neptune hit it, so ...it could work.
I've just had 2 clients with the same Asc in Sag and both lived through the Pluto conj. I haven't met them inperson s I could not ask things, but they're both still here

yes, one of them I suspect has had some nasty

health problems, but I think they reflected the 12th Moon sq Pluto in the natal. and I'm a firm believer that
one CAN release toxic energies on purpose when one wants to. I mean - had she worked on her anger
towards her mom, maybe - just maybe - things would've been easier. dunno. I'd like to think so. Pluto is allabout empowerment. it brought us psychotherapy. I don't think it's about getting kicked down for no reason.
again, my belief. no reasons why it should be true.

Thank you for your encouragement, and good tip re the SA chart. I too have lived through Neptune conjunctAscendant and square my stellium. I do think I was in a fog for many years. But perhaps I am more familiar
with that energy as my Sun-Neptune conjunction in natal is less than 1 degree. Actually when I think back it
was a kind of ego-wipeout, I really lost my way. But it did lead me to psychotherapy, and my health was OK.
Pluto is tougher I think, holds no prisoners. And squares to me are the most conflictual energy of all. If you livewith Sun square Pluto you are probably more attuned to how to deal with it. For some reason I imagine I will
come across (Asc) in a harsh and difficult way, act against myself (squares to Sun etc) and destroy
relationships. I'll get over this negative view in time, and in the meantime use the transit of Pluto through my12th to expunge the toxicity, if I can.
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #38 - on: 14.08.2011 at 12:52 [UT+1] »yeah, Un, I too think the squares are the worst.
the Plu sq Sun makes me a magnet for power-struggles and games. I'm terribly sensitive of any issues aboutlack of power-balance in a relationship (Libra Plu), always really angry about people invading my personal space
uninvited, always ready to defend my own boundaries with guns blazing if I must. And there's this air about methat just invites power-hungry people or control-freaks - you know, people telling me what to do, patronizingme, taking me for granted, manipulating, etc - my mom is like this (Plu conj NN - a strong indicator of asuffocating mother), my best friends are like that (all 4 of them!).
my innate tendency - with rx Mars sx Pluto and all - is to avoid confrontation. it never, never works. worst idea.

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it's become increasingly clear for me lately - that this is a life-long battle to assert my own authority and power.
this is he only way I get the peace I long for.
I also have a strong Neptune - conj MC, Mercury and Sun/Moon MP. I have "victim" written on my forehead. if I
just mind my own business and try to "be nice", most people give in to the dark side of their Pluto and takeadvantage of me. so, with Plu sq Sun - I think - the trick is
1.set clear your own set of values about how far you go before you become "mean" and2. within those limits, express your power, don't give in, fight anyone who crosses you, impose (the sq) yourwill (Sun) - or be crushed.
so, I think this is what you'll need to do when that square comes. Be (Asc) powerful.

Moirae,I'm sorry you're having a hard time with the transit of Pluto, but then again - you're getting the opposition.
not the conj.
I've only felt the Pluto opp Jupiter, ruler of my MC, not the Sun, sitting in my 4th/5th
so from that exp, I can say - like all oppositions - this one too brings - well - opposition, obstacles to your will(Sun).
I guess with a Pluto standoff you need to be very, very clear about your own power in order to fight back, cos if
you over-reach, you'll be "defeated". I was. I fought for the quality of my work at that time and lost, bc mybosses didn't care about it at all. I think I knew it at the time but couldn't help myself to wait it off or settle. I
wanted "all or nothing", and I got the nothing part. I thought my job was imp and I could afford to voice myconcerns, but it turned out my job was only imp if quality was to maintained. when they decided quality didn't
matter anymore, and I started making troubles about it, they simply took the project away from me.
so... the gift of the opposition is awareness.
I wanted more power over the end-result of my work; the ones
who had it didn't want the same things as me. we parted ways
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #39 - on: 14.08.2011 at 22:56 [UT+1] »Thanks, Cris_me, very helpful
I'll keep thinking about what you've said - it seems our charts share a few correspondences and I do relate to
the issues you describe around power. I too have rx Mars but square Pluto and know how it stifles healthy
assertiveness. Avoiding confrontation, yes, that is what I do too, though I too am learning that often I misreada situation because I allow people to tread all over me. I need to develop more confidence in stating myposition, having more faith in it. I've been burned a few times lately in allowing people to have their way,almost being convinced that they were right (in fact they were just bullying me) but in the wash-up it becomes
clear that I would have been much better sticking to my guns. In short, I can be a fool. Neptune is also theculprit, the great slitherer, slipping and sliding between positions and not wanting to stick anywhere..
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #40 - on: 15.08.2011 at 03:50 [UT+1] »To those grooving on this full moon in k,
http://youtu.be/jNjQICmRvlc
Looking forward to the new moon and the death of this CRX
Love Michael
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #41 - on: 21.08.2011 at 05:59 [UT+1] »Last dance of JmA coming up for me.I was thinking or hoping that it would not be so intense,so much forthat!Much to be infused from J as it is still stripping away and transforming old patterns/behaviors/thinking,ofwhich there is some resistance within me still.Fully aware of what they are specifically,and possible
consequences if not chosen,as i do see it as choice presented through the energy of the planetary forces andnot at the mercy of such.Anything still obstructive to my journey/mission(personal first but embedded in thecollective) i see as compelling and imminent as this transit is in play.To deal with what the next aspect of T J
to my cross may bring,with-out success of perceived spiritual goals, I dont see as an option at this point,given
the import of JmA on my cross and it's ramifications relative to my perceived journey in conjunction withwhat i have observed in the present condition of our world and interpret as a reality shifting phenomena in our
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #42 - on: 21.08.2011 at 06:17 [UT+1] »Memberoh dear...I have avoided this thread, because I'm in denial that now Pluto is in Capricorn, my own turn will
come. Quite a long time to go yet though. Pluto's other transits have been enough for me, without having mywhole self done over...

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #43 - on: 21.08.2011 at 06:20 [UT+1] »I have to reach back a full twenty-five years to find this t JmnA!
At the tender age of 3 he made first contact and again just before four years of age.
My sister was born a few months ahead of my fourth birthday, and she definitely rocked and changed my worldfrom a lovely little sea of me-me-me to having to share.
Actually I didn't mind her all that much. But I was never one of those older sisters that preened over baby
dolls. Nope, give me Transformers and Tonka trucks to play with! Haha.
My sister's nJ is just a few shades of a degree off of my hA. This is the same spot where our mother has hern I.
When t J finally eased a degree or two off this collective sensitive spot at 5h my mother left my dad, moved
us two kids about a thousand miles away, and started process for divorce.
So t JmA effects? Completely life re-arranging and total reworking of the structure of my surroundings. I
wasnt old enough to make too many decisions then, obviously, but that reformation occurred just the same. I
would definitely not be the person I am today if my parents had not divorced and my mother moved us so far
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #44 - on: 21.08.2011 at 19:24 [UT+1] »Michael, you wrote:
Quote:The new vision i have for the future is in flux as i imagine in the now.

Your avatar is a fine meditation for imagining!
Pluto RX right now is a definite holding pattern ... the ability to breathe underwater and step bravely into dark
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"let's get on with it already!!!", especially for those of us with Pluto on the natal numbers now. But the bow
must draw back to its farthest point, in preparation for the most accurate shot on the most accurate mark.
This requires patience and listening to those voices in one's head that have been calling for a R'evolution. The
timing will make itself most obvious, especially with Uranus in the transiting field.
Both planets will direct this autumn. Like a Mercury RX ... this is a good period to catch back and wrap up old
situations before the arrows shoot forward.

EM, Nice Photo!
Actually, Pluto (and Uranus) aren't done with your natal at this point. Both are RX aspecting to your MoonChiron opposition (contemplating wounding and healing there, again) with Pluto retrograding to the natal
Mercury conjunction -- it won't get back to exact conjunct, but matters of communication are still on your hotplate now. I think Pluto finally moving off the n-Mercury, Moon, Chiron points will provide easier means ofcommunicating your own self-value.
Yep, then several years before Pluto starts conjuncting your Sun!
It hasn't been easy, but Pluto opposing my Sun for these past three years has really empowered me in ways I
didn't see coming. Waybread wrote in another thread about the process of analytical exploration being likethat of peeling away the layers of an onion. That's how the transit has worked for me. I'll never disable theinstincts of my Cancer Sun nature again, and plant new seeds in gardens that nourish it, instead of requiringthat it thrive deprived of soul-food.
Peace in the Plutonians,
Moira
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #45 - on: 22.08.2011 at 13:29 [UT+1] »I was 7 when I had the p to J, and my family moved from the city to the suburbs and I switched schools, but
I didn't really mind it because my classmates were bullies (I, at that point, had no clue at that time that myother classmates would be bullies too, but oh well I guess)

The n to my A is coming up for me when I'm 33 though. I'm a little worried about that one because my A isoJ natally and J will be t. my 7th house. J rules my 5th house though so I'm wondering if I'll have a kid orsomething and it just won't be fun in my as-of-late hypothetical, non-existent marriage for awhile. My grandma
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Gender:was pregnant pretty much the entire duration of her t.J n n. A when J was in e

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #46 - on: 29.08.2011 at 18:41 [UT+1] »Members,
J is on the last pass mA in j for me and the connections from the collective that i network with have passed
this on as i do now.Timing is such an integral part of our life and with what this forum among others is
involved with.Time and space is in constant flux so i observe this data with discretion,but those who follow
closely with respect to astrology should find it interesting to observe.
To those of you especially embedded within the study of astrology and in relationship to the cycles & patternsof time & space and parallel with the evolution of consciousness within our journey of life,i offer a meditation ofsound & visuals to add to the possible birthing of a new child/planet/dimension to our Mother Earth.
http://player.vimeo.com/video/27240681? ... portrait=0
Love Michael
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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #47 - on: 29.08.2011 at 23:52 [UT+1] »My friend had it 2 times. 1st hit she says nothing big she doesnt remember
2nd hit - they said to her u must change location of job place into very dangerous area. She rufes. They fired
her. She was from the beginning in that company and got kicked out because of hidden enemies (long story)
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Sun ruler of 4th house.
3rd hit to come. She will be soon unemployed. Market is bad. She can stay still in a jobn but work in area she isafraid to work at night, many bad people there. SHe says no way she will do it....
SHe is 30. She worked there 5 years. It was her first only job.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #48 - on: 30.08.2011 at 02:02 [UT+1] »That's a long video, Michael !
I did look up transits for 10/28 ... whole lot of Scorpio in the sky, but optimist that I am, and Scorpionic
myself, I fail to think everything will line up for monumental global changes at the same time. There could bea lot of trouble with business and negotiations, imo.
New Moon in early Scorpio by the 27th, sextile transiting Pluto in Cap and squaring Jupiter in Taurus. Uranus isstill in the orbic square to Pluto by transit, so there could definitely be surprises.

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Gender:This certainly seems significant for shedding the old and transforming to the new. I'd prefer to think it's not theend of the world, in an apocolyptic way ... but we may be in for more sudden shocks to the global
system/syndrome by then.
How does this relate to Pluto conjuncting one's Sun ? I guess it's being in a state of preparedness forwhatever rolls down the track, to the best of our abilities. When you hear the train whistle blow in the
distance, it's time to get the car off the tracks.
Moira
Mercury and Venus will also be parlaying conjunct in later Scorpio during that week, so one would expect somegambling and revelations regarding use and abuse of the mind and desire functions to come to the surface, bythat New Moon date.

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Re: tr Pluto conj Sun-how did your perspective cha« Reply #49 - on: 30.08.2011 at 03:18 [UT+1] »Moira,
Thanks for the brief analysis of the transits for October 28th in relation to the projected date in the'Quickening" documentary link i posted.I have not had time to get an overview.My focus was on other aspectsof the info and my personal transit of Mercury to the apex,N J in the 11th e,of my 'Thors'Hammer' with thehammer head,T JmA -o T OmB,with T CnND.In conjunction with the timing of these events & data.Thanks for
projected conjunction of T C to D.
As with all info out there,there is much to be gleaned from/for personal perspectives.If you can sift through it
all & trust what your eyes see or how you listen or intuit.I do like how the info is presented with much room for
how we may interpret & discern for ourselves.Will one panic and move to fear of whatever we cling to?Or trust
what our heart & mind would like to believe or project or hope for or imagine?
For now,one point i would like to make is that any objects or anomalys(planets/comets etc) that may appear in
the sky or anywhere,that may support some of the presented ideas or theories should be discerned with theunderstanding of technology that is capable of projecting holograms on a very large scale.The other is thatwhen predictions/prophecy's are not reached as claimed,which is often the case,will those following become
apathetic/distrusting toward all the info?as has been the case recently this year in regards to, IMO, ridiculous
claims of a religious nature and many others.Rash judgments of the info should not be reached now or after
the fact,but be broached with a slow discerning approach.
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