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Becca
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Capricorn's Strugle« on: 22.12.2014 at 18:30 [UT] »Hi all, Do Capricorns ever reach the top of that mountain? I have Capricorn as my Asc (and other planets) andim plenty aware of how heavy its influence can be. I strongly dislike the strict controlled nature..but im finding
it can be a beautiful thing once it's your time to learn how to work with the universe instead of against it. And I
don't mean to offend anyone by this post, im just trying to understand the nature/energy/purpose of thisenergy/influence of this sign because I feel it has a significant part in my life and Im trying to reach out and see
if anyone can relate.
Im just wondering if a Capricorn's work ever pays off (sun sign, or anywhere else in chart) does all the work
they through themselves into actually mean anything in the long run? Are they really respected? To me it has
always felt like I would of never have been able to find a way to make it to the top, in fact I felt blocked fromeven trying to find a way to 'move on up', unitl recently. It's a strand feeling and phenomenon to happen,
because well I don't know about anyone else, but im not used to things working in my favor in life haha.
Now I think I better know how why capricorns are the way they are….because unlike everyone else that are'lucky' and get handed everything, cappie's actually have to work for what they want. I mean, everyone works
in some way to get what they want to an extent, but for Capricorns they seem to be put through the most of it
and I think maybe struggle to get to the top? It isn’t just a normal job that is only suited for them, it’s like in away, they are given everyone else’s job too, and they end up being so busy and focused on success that theylose themselves In their work. Unlike people that never have to do anything, capricorns have to work their way
out as if they are living a prison sentence. If they let anything slip, then they will fall backwards and probably
have to start over again. But I also think as they get older, life gets better for them right?
Bring on your comments, questions, concerns, I want to know what yall think
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #1 - on: 22.12.2014 at 21:37 [UT] »Very apropos considering yesterday's winter Solstice (new moon in Capricorn) -I think you raise an excellent point: "... it can be a beautiful thing once it's your time to learn how to work withthe universe instead of against it." A person's natal chart doesn't determine success, but rather how theindividual harnesses/utilizes the energy of the chart. So naturally there will be Capricorn types who struggle
their entire lives, and others that are able to accomplish their goals. The key for Capricorn is having a goal. I've
known some truly fabulous Capricorn Suns -- all interestingly enough possess a wonderful sense of humor. So
it's not all "hard work and no play" for Capricorn. My Mars is in Capricorn and that is definitely a positive forme.
I don't believe Capricorn types have it any more difficult than anyone else, generally speaking. But Saturn
contacts (with the Moon for example), that can be a heavy burden, and Saturn as we know is the ruler ofCapricorn.
To succeed the Capricorn must focus, take pride in his/her work, set goals, maintain integrity -- and thensuccess will come. Don't take the easy way out, don't be a scatter-brain. Focus, work hard, accept responsibility,
stay off the "pity pot", and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Quote from Becca on 22.12.2014 at 18:30 [UT]:
Hi all, Do Capricorns ever reach the top of that mountain? I have Capricorn as my Asc (and other planets) and im plenty aware of how
heavy its influence can be. I strongly dislike the strict controlled nature..but im finding it can be a beautiful thing once it's your time tolearn how to work with the universe instead of against it. And I don't mean to offend anyone by this post, im just trying to understand thenature/energy/purpose of this energy/influence of this sign because I feel it has a significant part in my life and Im trying to reach out andsee if anyone can relate.
Im just wondering if a Capricorn's work ever pays off (sun sign, or anywhere else in chart) does all the work they through themselves into
actually mean anything in the long run? Are they really respected? To me it has always felt like I would of never have been able to find away to make it to the top, in fact I felt blocked from even trying to find a way to 'move on up', unitl recently. It's a strand feeling andphenomenon to happen, because well I don't know about anyone else, but im not used to things working in my favor in life haha.
Now I think I better know how why capricorns are the way they are….because unlike everyone else that are 'lucky' and get handed
everything, cappie's actually have to work for what they want. I mean, everyone works in some way to get what they want to an extent,
but for Capricorns they seem to be put through the most of it and I think maybe struggle to get to the top? It isn’t just a normal job thatis only suited for them, it’s like in a way, they are given everyone else’s job too, and they end up being so busy and focused on successthat they lose themselves In their work. Unlike people that never have to do anything, capricorns have to work their way out as if they areliving a prison sentence. If they let anything slip, then they will fall backwards and probably have to start over again. But I also think asthey get older, life gets better for them right?
Bring on your comments, questions, concerns, I want to know what yall think

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Evescaduceus
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #2 - on: 22.12.2014 at 22:21 [UT] »I think you may be picking up on the fact that Capricorn is fated to endure a particularly difficult decade.
We're going through the Uranus - Pluto squares right now (there is one final one left in March 2015, and I thinkthese squares started in 2012, if my memory is correct). One could argue that Aries and Capricorn are the twosigns most affected by these squares, particularly for those with several planets in each of these signs.
2 1/2 years from now, Saturn will sweep through Capricorn while Pluto is there. Saturn rules Capricorn, but
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having Saturn and Pluto in one house is a lot of concentrated power for any native, and only Capricorn has todeal with that. It might be great if its your 10th House (natural energy of Capricorn) or 8th House (naturalenergy of Pluto). It isn't going to be so great for a lot of folks who have it in other houses.
In 2020, Mars will be sitting retrograde in Aries, squaring Pluto in late Capricorn. Once again, Capricorn andAries will deal with this energy more than any other sign, particularly those with several planets in each of thesesigns.
Only Capricorn deals with potentially tense conjunction configurations non-stop for a decade however. Aries
gets a break. So yes, I do think this decade places an undue burden on those with a Capricorn signature.

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #3 - on: 22.12.2014 at 22:45 [UT] »The only reason a Capricorn's work will be heavy is because they make it heavy.
When they learn to get past their self-limiting beliefs then it all becomes a lot easier.
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Gender:I think you essentially said this when you talked about working with the universe instead of against it.

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Linda Harris
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #4 - on: 23.12.2014 at 01:18 [UT] »I don't think Capricorn, as a sign, per se, has things much harder overall than other signs.
But they might have an inner demand 'system' which causes them to want to achieve in a way that might
appear more demanding than other signs.

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The issue for most signs....but especially for Cappys is "goals" or 11th house issues. the bigger the goal, themore upwardly mobile, the more the prize becomes bigger and further away (11th house) the more the Cappy
feels he must still climb.
IF the person is balanced, and has reasonable expecatations both material and non material, the goal can bereached and appreciated. And enjoyed.
AND 'working with the universe' as a philosophy is called Stoicism.
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #5 - on: 23.12.2014 at 04:26 [UT] »With Moon in Capricorn, I'm not waiting for life getting better. It won't. Live for the moment!

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #6 - on: 23.12.2014 at 05:00 [UT] »You sound like AoG or Gmascendant person
is your saturn bad aspected?
Im a capricorn and think yes it pays off and we receive recognition
I have noticed my saturn is good to me though

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Celestial Princess

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #7 - on: 23.12.2014 at 05:10 [UT] »I also think virgos work hard. we cappies work smart
I used to be overly ambusious and was consuming me
so I got fed up and stopped reaching for the top and started enjoying life only
then after a few years I became filled with goals again but try to have balance now
when u try too hard and have unrealistic expectations you get burned out
small steps... enjoy the journey to the top and try to keep the balance with fun, personal life and otherinterests...
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what is reaching the top? Once u reach it you will head for anotherI think u need to learn to live in and enjoy the present

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Moonstone Gem
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #8 - on: 23.12.2014 at 10:52 [UT] »Quote from Evescaduceus on 22.12.2014 at 22:21 [UT]:
2 1/2 years from now, Saturn will sweep through Capricorn while Pluto is there. Saturn rules Capricorn, but having Saturn and Pluto in one
house is a lot of concentrated power for any native, and only Capricorn has to deal with that. It might be great if its your 10th House(natural energy of Capricorn) or 8th House (natural energy of Pluto). It isn't going to be so great for a lot of folks who have it in otherhouses.
In 2020, Mars will be sitting retrograde in Aries, squaring Pluto in late Capricorn. Once again, Capricorn and Aries will deal with this energy
more than any other sign, particularly those with several planets in each of these signs.
Only Capricorn deals with potentially tense conjunction configurations non-stop for a decade however. Aries gets a break. So yes, I do
think this decade places an undue burden on those with a Capricorn signature.

Sounds peachy.
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Nikki.

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #9 - on: 23.12.2014 at 11:59 [UT] »I read somewhere ages ago a comment that strongly capricorn people wouldn't appreciate anything not worked
hard for, they would also be a bit suspicious of it.
I wonder if Capricorns didnt lived on flat lands, would the create a mountain to climb?
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Gender:I think the downside to the Capricorn goat mentality is the fact other people have to validate it throughpromotion or other statuses, if they could look at what they have achieved and be impressed then it might help
them on the never-ending journey.
I have capricorn on my 9th and 10th house using placidus (in Whole signs aqua rules my 10th), i always had towork better then others, always was the responsible one at work and at home, i was usually the one doing thebosses, and him the figure head. after having a career knock back, it took a while to get over that loss of statusin away, but i started to enjoy the freedom without the responsibility....detatched and more aqua like work
wise.
things came full circle when a new set of bosses are impressed by my skills and moving me through thecompany, without any effort from me, or any attachment to the possibility of promotion again. i am simply
enjoying the work, and they are praising it, very odd feeling as it feels like its money for old rope, its just reallyeasy work for me, but they find it amazing.
so for me, i found what i wanted by stopping chasing it. i dont need to be the first one in, last one to leave, idont need to kill myself working when i am sick, i dont need to back up my bosses work

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blackjosefine
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #10 - on: 23.12.2014 at 19:16 [UT] »We DO reach the top of the mountain. Eventually. But since we often put our noses to the grindstone and work,
we can lose sight of the fact that the goal might change. So when we reach "the top" of the mountain, we
suddenly see that we are just at the base of a much larger peak.
Our work does pay off, I've done it! And respected for it. What is difficult for Caps is the nature of respect

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itself, since we can't acknowledge compliments. We are plagued with self-doubt, and with standards that even
we can't always live up to with all our hard work. So we discount what we are given (or have gained throughtoil) since we believe we could do better. We have to stop ourselves and take a step back to see the bigger
picture of what success looks like. Instead of gaining a step and then setting the goal higher, we have to bask
every once in a while in our achievements (see: Leo).
Furthermore, with our stoic and no-nonsense attitude, we intimidate other signs into not telling uscompliments. I had to be yelled at to stop discounting compliments to finally just say "Thank you" whensomeone told me something nice. I used to suggest that I wasn't deserving of the compliment due to x-y-z,
and/or the person giving the compliment was an idiot for not seeing that I didn't deserve it.
Caps aren't always "handed" everyone else's work. It is more that Cap never asks for help, so other people see
us as extremely capable and self-sufficient. Add to that, when others ask us for help, we often take over andjust do the job. We take it as a point of pride that we can work so hard and do so much. But not every othersign sees it that way, they can take advantage of our "can-do" attitude by appearing weaker/stupider/lazier thanus, in order to get us to step in and take over. It's a never ending cycle of codependency.
When we work our "boss" side, we can hold others accountable for their work, and let them fail or succeed
based on their own merits. It's hard to do when we so clearly see what needs to be done, and we have noproblem rolling our sleeves up and just doing it. I was a store manager for 6 years, and during that time I
would have the occasional staff member who thought my job was easy, and that they could do it better thanme. I would allow my staff to learn and do pretty much all aspects of my job if they were part of mymanagement team (even scheduling), so I can see how having learned these tasks someone would feel they
could do it. But when I would have 2 days off, or take my vacation, that same person would be the first to tellme how grateful they were to have me back. They realized that while none of the manager-specific jobs weredifficult taken alone, combining all of them, adding staffing issues and customer complaints was WAY morestressful than anticipated. My heart warmed when I would get the looks of extreme relief and hugs ofappreciation from staff
warmed my cold little Cappy heart!
Then again, I could have just not went on vacation and done the job of 4 people....

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blackjosefine

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #11 - on: 23.12.2014 at 19:20 [UT] »Quote from Moonstone Gem on 23.12.2014 at 10:52 [UT]:
Quote from Evescaduceus on 22.12.2014 at 22:21 [UT]:
2 1/2 years from now, Saturn will sweep through Capricorn while Pluto is there. Saturn rules Capricorn, but having Saturnand Pluto in one house is a lot of concentrated power for any native, and only Capricorn has to deal with that. It might begreat if its your 10th House (natural energy of Capricorn) or 8th House (natural energy of Pluto). It isn't going to be sogreat for a lot of folks who have it in other houses.

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In 2020, Mars will be sitting retrograde in Aries, squaring Pluto in late Capricorn. Once again, Capricorn and Aries will deal
with this energy more than any other sign, particularly those with several planets in each of these signs.
Only Capricorn deals with potentially tense conjunction configurations non-stop for a decade however. Aries gets a break.
So yes, I do think this decade places an undue burden on those with a Capricorn signature.

Sounds peachy.

Ha!!! The G-J conjunction in early 2020 in j will be RIGHT ON my A....this will carry through all year longsince it is copied in my Solar Return for 2020....
Happy happy joy joy
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #12 - on: 23.12.2014 at 21:50 [UT] »Quote from Cazimi! on 23.12.2014 at 05:00 [UT]:
You sound like

AoG or Gmascendant person

is your saturn bad aspected?

Actually, I'm ApG Gq AC.

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #13 - on: 24.12.2014 at 07:10 [UT] »Very interesting answers im getting! I like how someone brought up the work smart, not hard concept. I feelawful for assuming that Caps work themselves to death instead of focusing on a more smarter approach towork...but then again, I don't know how yall 'work' as a sign haha. And I feel just enjoying the journey rather
than obsess over getting to the destination will benefit anyone...especially me if a apply it enough. I don't
know if I was approaching Capricorn all wrong because they ARE notorious for how hard they work, or how theywork all the time it seems (even if they do balance themselves and their life in the work hard/play harder
thing..)..I don't know....
I have Virgo sun 2 degrees in 8th house, Capricorn ASC 15 degrees (I think this is smack dab in the middle of
1st & 12th house), Saturn in Capricorn 7 degrees, Uranus 1 degree Capricorn & Neptune 9 degrees Capricorn,which are all in my 12th house...... I just assumed with all this earth in my chart, especially Capricorn, that mylife would be tough and it would be hard for me to achieve what I want for myself, my life has not been easy
but I find as I get older things are gradually easier on me. Can anyone feel what im talking about? And having
said that, I will state again that as I learn to work WITH the natural ebb and flow of things instead of against, I
find that things can work in my favor
I guess Capricorns can go as high as they want to go on thatmountain of success...and some situations require hard work, but you should not kill yourself if it doesn't
require hard work.
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Celestial Princess
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #14 - on: 25.12.2014 at 03:20 [UT] »Quote from Venus in 8th house on 23.12.2014 at 21:50 [UT]:
Quote from Cazimi! on 23.12.2014 at 05:00 [UT]:
You sound like

AoG or Gmascendant person

is your saturn bad aspected?

Actually, I'm

ApG GqAC.

I was talking about the person who opened the thread sorry
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #15 - on: 25.12.2014 at 21:18 [UT] »Many planets in Cappy and my South Node. I can asure you that life is not easy for Cappy people at all. I don't
know if "we" will reach the top somewhere in time , but "we" live during all our way just trying to climb it.
A thing that I hate, I confess.

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #16 - on: 25.12.2014 at 21:56 [UT] »Cap asc here. I can attest to the struggles... a very sad childhood and early adulthood. I also have merc conj
Saturn so I am prone to depressing thoughts anyway. I try to make time every day to be grateful, which helps
my state of mind quite a bit.
When I start getting down I think of a quote I heard a few years ago that says.... "Imagine how happy you'd be
if every you have was taken away and then given back."

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #17 - on: 27.12.2014 at 01:11 [UT] »Quote from Cazimi! on 25.12.2014 at 03:20 [UT]:
Quote from Venus in 8th house on 23.12.2014 at 21:50 [UT]:
Quote from Cazimi! on 23.12.2014 at 05:00 [UT]:
You sound like

AoG or Gmascendant person

is your saturn bad aspected?

Actually, I'm

ApG GqAC.

I was talking about the person who opened the thread sorry

Hello, I started this thread! I have Virgo sun 2 degrees in 8th house, Capricorn ASC 15 degrees (I think this issmack dab in the middle of 1st & 12th house), Saturn in Capricorn 7 degrees, Uranus 1 degree Capricorn &Neptune 9 degrees Capricorn, which are all in my 12th house......
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #18 - on: 01.01.2015 at 06:52 [UT] »Wanna know something about any sign, read up on the preceding sign, as isn't every sign in reaction to its
predecessor?

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Gender:Why aren't Capricorns more lucky, well, go back a page to the luckiest sign of the zodiac, Sagittarius! They justlaugh off all your struggles!
They can find a plum job right during the worst recession, with the skimpiest ofresumes!
They once did a poll, which sign would you rather have been born as? Sagittarius, not surprisingly, came infirst! Why be born a Goat and do all that strenuous climbing and climbing and climbing (and not get there ona Concorde jet) and be so obsessed with your image? And how your house looks from the outside! Doesn't
Capricorn top the list of those seeking plastic surgery? Yup! Let's keep up that public image! And Sagittarius?
Do they mind having their face covered with warts?
But! I won't argue, Capricorn being the strongest sign of the zodiac, one sure step at a time, and it's the one
sign that gets younger as they get older! Then the question arises as Capricorn being the strongest sign ofzodiac: Elvis Presley was a Capricorn (moon in Pisces) and if he was so strong how come he died so young?
Answer: If you abused yourself with drugs/alcohol like he did, and you were, say, a Libra, you would have died
20 years earlier!
And speaking of predecessors! Capricorn rules capitalism, and it's succeeding sign, not surprisingly, Aquarius,
rules over socialism! You ain't never goin' to see a book by Karl Marx in a Capricorn household!
Me speaketh with my moon in Capricorn!

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #19 - on: 01.01.2015 at 09:26 [UT] »It's all worth it.
It took some strident transits with J/O as the prime players to begin to refill an emptied vessel,inducing a
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Gender:grand cross to what at one time seemed unattainable but a desired assumption of it's greater potentials as
understood....and imagined....beyond what i've researched.
I have a cardinal angular GCross~A/IC j-B/DC a-O/MC d-E/AC g...and with last years solar return,also a
cardinal gc,from which all has contributed to these recent inner/outer struggles for balance,meaning,purpose
and some evolutionary direction for soul growth.....and to embrace all of what has been
experienced,observed,and gained from our journey & choices.Judging none,including yourselves.
It's not necessary to wait to be 65...but then i had some serious multiple/simultaneous levels anddimensions to juggle and sort out.It may not be necessary to be a Cap for that level of energy needed toaccomplish our dreams,but i'm damn glad i am and had the attributes,or at least some realized
potentials....because i did hang in there.
Everyone of us is a unique individual with many challenges at this point as Jj/Oa tests our mettle.
Phillip Lindsay,an esoteric astrologer just posted this article titled..."Capricorn 2015" A welcomed additionand spiritual dimension to traditional astro & research....in my recent search for sure.
http://www.esotericastrologer.org/Newsletters/110_Capricorn2015_Sirius_Makara_Se
x_Neptune_Christ_USA.htm

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #20 - on: 06.01.2015 at 19:41 [UT] »Love your first question

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Becca

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #21 - on: 12.03.2015 at 03:40 [UT] »Quote from 2MuchEarth on 01.01.2015 at 06:52 [UT]:
Wanna know something about any sign, read up on the preceding sign, as isn't every sign in reaction to its predecessor?
Why aren't Capricorns more lucky, well, go back a page to the luckiest sign of the zodiac, Sagittarius! They just laugh off all yourstruggles!

They can find a plum job right during the worst recession, with the skimpiest of resumes!

They once did a poll, which sign would you rather have been born as? Sagittarius, not surprisingly, came in first! Why be born a Goat anddo all that strenuous climbing and climbing and climbing (and not get there on a Concorde jet) and be so obsessed with your image? And
how your house looks from the outside! Doesn't Capricorn top the list of those seeking plastic surgery? Yup! Let's keep up that public
image! And Sagittarius? Do they mind having their face covered with warts?
But! I won't argue, Capricorn being the strongest sign of the zodiac, one sure step at a time, and it's the one sign that gets younger as
they get older! Then the question arises as Capricorn being the strongest sign of zodiac: Elvis Presley was a Capricorn (moon in Pisces)
and if he was so strong how come he died so young? Answer: If you abused yourself with drugs/alcohol like he did, and you were, say, aLibra, you would have died 20 years earlier!
And speaking of predecessors! Capricorn rules capitalism, and it's succeeding sign, not surprisingly, Aquarius, rules over socialism! You
ain't never goin' to see a book by Karl Marx in a Capricorn household!
Me speaketh with my moon in Capricorn!

Very interesting, 2much earth! That explains why each sign is next to a certain one, I guess we all help andlearn from each other...I never knew each sign was a reaction to its predecessor!
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Becca
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #22 - on: 12.03.2015 at 03:49 [UT] »Quote from Michael R on 01.01.2015 at 09:26 [UT]:
It's all worth it.
It took some strident transits with

J/O as the prime players to begin to refill an emptied vessel,inducing a grand cross to what at one

time seemed unattainable but a desired assumption of it's greater potentials as understood....and imagined....beyond what i've
researched.

A/ICj-B/DCa-O/MCd-E/ACg...and with last years solar return,also a cardinal gc,from which all

I have a cardinal angular GCross~has contributed to these recent inner/outer struggles for balance,meaning,purpose and some evolutionary direction for soul growth.....andto embrace all of what has been experienced,observed,and gained from our journey & choices.Judging none,including yourselves.
It's not necessary to wait to be 65...but then i had some serious multiple/simultaneous levels and dimensions to juggle and sort out.It

may not be necessary to be a Cap for that level of energy needed to accomplish our dreams,but i'm damn glad i am and had theattributes,or at least some realized potentials....because i did hang in there.
Everyone of us is a unique individual with many challenges at this point as

Jj/Oa tests our mettle.

Phillip Lindsay,an esoteric astrologer just posted this article titled..."Capricorn 2015" A welcomed addition and spiritual dimension to
traditional astro & research....in my recent search for sure.
http://www.esotericastrologer.org/Newsletters/110_Capricorn2015_Sirius_Makara_Se x_Neptune_Christ_USA.htm

Thanks for the reply MR, and I will check out that link. Yes all our hard work better pay off! Everyone does
have their tests and challenges in life, but what I meant to explain in my post was that under the sign
Capricorn, a persons life is hard in general even when they are not going through any bumps in the road, even
if things do lighten up as they get older (and younger) its like the work never ends for them and I justthink that is sad
I mean nothing wrong with working, but my goodness don't let life pass you by as you
drown yourself in it.
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #23 - on: 13.03.2015 at 05:24 [UT] »My favorite Capricorn, overlooking other factors, are those with Venus in Pisces. Just met one not too long
ago, she has Buddhist sculptures in her backyard, both large and small. An extremely spiritual Capricorn. Not
easy to find!
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #24 - on: 13.03.2015 at 06:29 [UT] »Im a cancer with sagg asc and a leo moon... I do , however have saturn in capricorn in my first house, i think
the capricorn saturn in first the energy has allowed me to endure and work thru struggles.. when i was younger
i didnt like the saturn cappy in first i felt it gave me an unapproachable persona at times and with saturn cappyin first always makes you older for your years at a young age.. i never liked cappy men and the women i worked
with over the years that were capricorn i felt were very competative when it wasnt even necessary... BUT with allthat said any capricorn that ive been around has always succeded with what ever they wanted to do and they
are generally very hard workers.. providing there isnt other things in chart becuse everyone is different and cantreally generalize so keep going forward and strive and you can do anything that you put your energy to.
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #25 - on: 17.03.2015 at 14:00 [UT] »Quote from Evescaduceus on 22.12.2014 at 22:21 [UT]:
I think you may be picking up on the fact that Capricorn is fated to endure a particularly difficult decade.
We're going through the Uranus - Pluto squares right now (there is one final one left in March 2015, and I think these squares started in2012, if my memory is correct). One could argue that Aries and Capricorn are the two signs most affected by these squares, particularly
for those with several planets in each of these signs.
2 1/2 years from now, Saturn will sweep through Capricorn while Pluto is there. Saturn rules Capricorn, but having Saturn and Pluto in one
house is a lot of concentrated power for any native, and only Capricorn has to deal with that. It might be great if its your 10th House

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Gender:(natural energy of Capricorn) or 8th House (natural energy of Pluto). It isn't going to be so great for a lot of folks who have it in otherhouses.
In 2020, Mars will be sitting retrograde in Aries, squaring Pluto in late Capricorn. Once again, Capricorn and Aries will deal with this energy
more than any other sign, particularly those with several planets in each of these signs.
Only Capricorn deals with potentially tense conjunction configurations non-stop for a decade however. Aries gets a break. So yes, I do
think this decade places an undue burden on those with a Capricorn signature.

I agree with this. A lot of Caps are getting hit.
Authority figures are being investigated and turning out bad: too little work and no integrity. Pluto is turning allthings Capricorn upside down and, unfortunately, things are bad.
There are still a lot of good Capricorns out there but there are some high-profile Caps that made things harder
after they were caught red-handed.
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #26 - on: 17.03.2015 at 16:17 [UT] »Other signs admire capricorns from a distance. Aries might sow the seeds, but Capricorn sets the standard andthe sets the goal to which others follow.

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At the end of my life, I will remember the qualities of Capricorns that I have admired but too scared to openly
express. Capricorns have always been a guidepost in my life for goals I want to reach even though I don't carry
any Capricorn placements. You might all be grumpy and feel like your hard work goes to the wind cause ofungrateful people, or over peoples heads, but it doesn't.
You guys/gals influence more people than you know. Its a more lasting enduring impression you make onothers, vs instant obvious results.
You are the flicker of light and endurance people remember when they find themselves lost in the darkness.

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #27 - on: 18.03.2015 at 08:53 [UT] »That's beautiful, Dawnstar.

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #28 - on: 18.03.2015 at 09:03 [UT] »_Dawnstar, that's sweetest and most considerate comment I've ever heard about j.
just made my day less sad! Thank you!~

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #29 - on: 18.03.2015 at 17:53 [UT] »Quote from Dawnstar on 17.03.2015 at 16:17 [UT]:Other signs admire capricorns from a distance. Aries might sow the seeds, but Capricorn sets the standard and the sets the goal to which
others follow.
At the end of my life, I will remember the qualities of Capricorns that I have admired but too scared to openly express. Capricorns havealways been a guidepost in my life for goals I want to reach even though I don't carry any Capricorn placements. You might all be grumpy
and feel like your hard work goes to the wind cause of ungrateful people, or over peoples heads, but it doesn't.
You guys/gals influence more people than you know. Its a more lasting enduring impression you make on others, vs instant obvious
results.
You are the flicker of light and endurance people remember when they find themselves lost in the darkness.

I love this comment, it makes my heart warm. it's always nice to know that hard work some people have toendure more than others never goes unnoticed although it seems like everyone could care lessdawnstarthank you

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #30 - on: 20.03.2015 at 01:40 [UT] »Quote from 2MuchEarth on 01.01.2015 at 06:52 [UT]:
Wanna know something about any sign, read up on the preceding sign, as isn't every sign in reaction to its predecessor?
Why aren't Capricorns more lucky, well, go back a page to the luckiest sign of the zodiac, Sagittarius! They just laugh off all yourstruggles!

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Gender:They can find a plum job right during the worst recession, with the skimpiest of resumes!

They once did a poll, which sign would you rather have been born as? Sagittarius, not surprisingly, came in first! Why be born a Goat anddo all that strenuous climbing and climbing and climbing (and not get there on a Concorde jet) and be so obsessed with your image? And
how your house looks from the outside! Doesn't Capricorn top the list of those seeking plastic surgery? Yup! Let's keep up that public
image! And Sagittarius? Do they mind having their face covered with warts?
But! I won't argue, Capricorn being the strongest sign of the zodiac, one sure step at a time, and it's the one sign that gets younger as
they get older! Then the question arises as Capricorn being the strongest sign of zodiac: Elvis Presley was a Capricorn (moon in Pisces)
and if he was so strong how come he died so young? Answer: If you abused yourself with drugs/alcohol like he did, and you were, say, aLibra, you would have died 20 years earlier!
And speaking of predecessors! Capricorn rules capitalism, and it's succeeding sign, not surprisingly, Aquarius, rules over socialism! You
ain't never goin' to see a book by Karl Marx in a Capricorn household!
Me speaketh with my moon in Capricorn!

I often wonder what it would be like to switch my jA and iB.
I recently watched a documentary about the 14 year old girl (who has a Cap moon) who sailed across theworld by herself... She got a lot of criticism for it and faced legal obstacles, but she decided to push on andmake it happen anyway. In an interview she said something along the lines of "lots of people thought I wouldn't
make it and/or were hoping I'd drown, but once I did it successfully they claimed they'd believed in me allalong"
That to me is the dilemma Caps face... Whether it's self imposed or just a natural consequence of having lofty
goals Caps often go it alone. Usually we do reach the top eventually and there is an element of wanting thatrecognition, but what we really crave is support and encouragement from the start..
True j seems to rule capitalism (OmI in j happened during the industrial revolution and the birth of neocapitalism) but that's a whole other tangent. Personally tho I can appreciate Karl Marx and don't fit into thatstereotype at all..
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #31 - on: 20.03.2015 at 02:02 [UT] »I really wonder how these security-driven Cappy's are going to survive the modern world, with no secure
employment anywhere, and the diminishing or elimination of the middle class, and the U.S. reverts back to a
3rd world country!
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How many are vegetating in their Parent's homes, with their 4-year college degrees, saddled with student debt,
having climbed their mountains and now with mud on their faces! Are some of them daring to flirt with being
an Aquarian Socialist, if that's what it takes to quell their insecurities?
I work in a LTC/Rehab facility as a lowly nursing assistant, and one of my co-workers is a 20YO Cappy(ABCj) and he's climbing a big mountain to get his 4-year BS degree in Nursing (oh God forbid, Cappy is
too snobbish to go around telling people he's working as a lowly nursing assistant!), not realizing that theentire medical field is long over due for downsizing! Can't he see it where he's working? 7 nurses on the night
shift reduced to 4, 7 nursing assistants reduced to 4 as well, and the cuts are not over! Does anyone see some
Sagittarian risk-taking in all of this?
When I worked in accounting at big computer company, I worked with a let's-postpone-the-pleasures-until-Iretire Cappy, and she died of cancer a year after retirement at 65, in no condition to do any of the foreign
travel she was planning to do. A different kind of risk-taker than its preceding sign Saj.
Me? I would like to think it's true that Cappy is the sign of wisdom, and with my Cappy Moon I was not goingto take any chances, and I did all my foreign travels, earlier in my life, nothing left in my bucket list, and I'll
turn 65 next month!

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #32 - on: 20.03.2015 at 09:25 [UT] »Quote from 2MuchEarth on 20.03.2015 at 02:02 [UT]:
I really wonder how these security-driven Cappy's are going to survive the modern world, with no secure employment anywhere, and thediminishing or elimination of the middle class, and the U.S. reverts back to a 3rd world country!
How many are vegetating in their Parent's homes, with their 4-year college degrees, saddled with student debt, having climbed theirmountains and now with mud on their faces! Are some of them daring to flirt with being an Aquarian Socialist, if that's what it takes toquell their insecurities?

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That doesn't sound like Cap...Goats will do any job as long as it is on the path towards "out of this crap hole."
The only direction is up. Whenever I meet a Cap who has the attitude you describe above, you can bet they
have something major in the more dreamy and "perfect world" signs like i or l or a, who won't do thegrunt work.
As far as living at their parents' home, it makes perfect sense to save rent money to pay off the student loan
than try some shot-in-the-dark i scheme. Don't forget, j generally has a pretty crappy childhood that will beseverely lacking in some area - money, education, love - so they are used to doing without. And it's been said
j doesn't hit their stride until at least 40, so they have plenty of time to get their act together. Long after
everyone else is burned out and lost their youthful enthusiasm, j is starting to kill it in a position ofmanagement or responsibility after toiling up that career ladder in their 20's and 30's.
That's the magic of earth, we just keep on keeping on.
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #33 - on: 20.03.2015 at 09:32 [UT] »Long time ago, I read, with hope, of this Pluto Scorpio generation, which is suppose to either turn this world
upside down, or destroy it! The earliest born were born in 1983 or so, and that would make them 32 now, so
let's get this revolution on the road, I'm losing patience!
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Gender:I've always dreamed of those of us of the Pluto Leo/baby boom generation holding hands with the Pluto in
Scorp generation to help bring this about, as the Pluto in Leo generation created a lot of havoc back in the
60's, and we've been missing the fun!
I hope they invite us to the party, even those of us with COPD, canes, walkers and wheelchairs!

If nothingelse, we'll drive the getaway cars!
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #34 - on: 01.04.2015 at 12:27 [UT+1] »I'm j A B C

G o B E K ASC and m J
I've always envisioned Saturn as Father Time standing over me tapping his watch.
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Gender:I think the pressure capricorns feel is totally self imposed. Sure I've been lumped with more responsibility thanmy siblings and peers, but I wonder if that's because I can handle it... I do feel that I am held accountable forevery single action, which is frustrating, as if other people are cut more slack, but I wonder if that's because
people sense what I am capable of and push me to my potential all the time.
It's strange because if I stray from the path then things become increasingly difficult, but if behave myself thenthings go smoothly. It's as if the universe has a destiny for me.

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #35 - on: 01.04.2015 at 20:18 [UT+1] »I only have an empty 10th/MC in j, but seem to attract a lot of js - Married to one.
I tease him often that he is my "enabler" for all of my cockamamie ideas, and he really is.....I wanted tomake a rug, he had made me a loom in the blink of an eye. Once I made an offhand remark about how cool itwould be to make pottery fired in a pit - he had the hole dug before I even had the clay. My Leo A in the 5th
likes to play, and he enables it.
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Gender:There are so many things that I might have thought would be "neat to try" but that I never would have actually
done without Mr. j pushing me on to actually do it.
What I also appreciate is the often overlooked sense of humor they have.
stand-up comedians if they wanted to be.

I swear every one of them could be

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #36 - on: 03.04.2015 at 07:18 [UT+1] »Time is most definitely Capricorn! I believe my panicking over wastage of any of my time I attribute to my
Bj Time is so valuable, can't be replaced like money, which is probably why I do so much maximization of
my the time I have on this planet. And God forbid, someone should waste any of my time! I try hard to

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Gender:squeeze everything I can out of any expenditure of time. But then, I also have my Moon in the 8th house,
which, perhaps, explains it even more! The added intensity!
Clocks, I believe, were invented around the 15th Century, and they became more prominent during the 18th
Century due to the occurrence of the Industrial Revolution, which mandated strict adherence to clocks, to keep
the factories running on time and smoothly!
Capricorn also rules Capitalism, and with successful Capitalism, you most definitely need clocks, the obediency
to time.
Wrist watches, by the way, didn't become popular/mass produced until the 1920's, and it was women who took
to wrist watches more readily than men!
I would suspect that Capricorn's would not be happy living in Latin America, where they thumb their noses atpunctuality. Having traveled widely throughout Central/South America, I remember one warning I read in oneof my Lonely Planet guides to Latin America: If a family, down there, invites you to dinner some night, andthey tell you to show up at 8pm, best advice is not to show up until 9 or 10pm, as if you show up at 8pm,
they'd be insulted, never invite you back again!

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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #37 - on: 03.04.2015 at 09:47 [UT+1] »I am a Capricorn with six planets and a north node in the 8th house. My fiance is a Capricorn with seven
Capricorn planets in the 2nd house. Being able to get comfortable in uncomfortable places is something to getused to, just accepting the adventure of life. Relinquish control of the uncontrollable and move with the flow,
because all things work together for good. Keep your mindset in check and fear nothing, astrosister, as we all
have to remind ourselves. I believe in you.
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Re: Capricorn's Strugle« Reply #38 - on: 03.04.2015 at 09:54 [UT+1] »Quote from 2MuchEarth on 20.03.2015 at 02:02 [UT]:
I really wonder how these security-driven Cappy's are going to survive the modern world, with no secure employment anywhere, and thediminishing or elimination of the middle class, and the U.S. reverts back to a 3rd world country!
How many are vegetating in their Parent's homes, with their 4-year college degrees, saddled with student debt, having climbed theirmountains and now with mud on their faces! Are some of them daring to flirt with being an Aquarian Socialist, if that's what it takes toquell their insecurities?
I work in a LTC/Rehab facility as a lowly nursing assistant, and one of my co-workers is a 20YO Cappy (ABCj) and he's climbing a big

mountain to get his 4-year BS degree in Nursing (oh God forbid, Cappy is too snobbish to go around telling people he's working as a lowly
nursing assistant!), not realizing that the entire medical field is long over due for downsizing! Can't he see it where he's working? 7 nurses
on the night shift reduced to 4, 7 nursing assistants reduced to 4 as well, and the cuts are not over! Does anyone see some Sagittarianrisk-taking in all of this?
When I worked in accounting at big computer company, I worked with a let's-postpone-the-pleasures-until-I-retire Cappy, and she died ofcancer a year after retirement at 65, in no condition to do any of the foreign travel she was planning to do. A different kind of risk-taker
than its preceding sign Saj.
Me? I would like to think it's true that Cappy is the sign of wisdom, and with my Cappy Moon I was not going to take any chances, and I
did all my foreign travels, earlier in my life, nothing left in my bucket list, and I'll turn 65 next month!

Sounds like status and ego is important to you just as much as factors in other people's lives that obviously
don't matter to you are. Maybe a job that pays a lot of money isn't everything. Maybe you should ask yourself
the same question about what you would do with no job in a modern world assuming your big company
decides to replace you for no good just reason. Maybe you need to wake up to a bigger picture outside of yourmaterial world and accept a reality check.
Chill out. That fiery energy is burning you alive.
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