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Neptune's StormEx Member

Astrology of Visual Communication« on: 13.10.2009 at 08:53 [UT+1] »I was wondering what placements and aspects you would look for in the charts for those with a talent for visualcommunication? When we think of visual communication nowadays we normally jump to thinking of film andphotography, fields which are both said to be ruled by Neptune. However these are obviously very modern
examples and the use of signs, symbols, cave drawings etc as a means of visual communication goes backnearly as far as human civillization.
I certainly haven't yet conducted any exhaustive study of charts but I thought two interesting charts to use as
starting points might be for Umberto Eco, a true pioneer in the field of semiotics (the study of signs) and Walt
Disney, probably the most famous visual communicator of modern times. The alignment in synastry between
these two charts is really very striking, both showing very heavy alignments in the signs of Sagittarius andCapricorn/ sidereal Scorpio and Sagittarius, Disney's Sun is actually conjunct Eco's Moon. The Moon is also
very strongly placed in each chart, in Disney's first house and ruler of Eco's sidereal Cancer ascendant. Does
this perhaps suggest these signs induce a desire to communicate and understand through non-verbal means?
The combination of Scorpio and Sagittarius might suggest a talent for subliminal understanding.
Its interesting that Eco's Moon and Disney's Sun technically rest in constellation Ophiuchus, which Mary Francis
Abbamonte has associated with the "Third Eye" which is taken to symbolize mental images imbued withspiritual or psychological signicance and higher consciousness.
Feel free to post the charts of other visual communicators you think are relevant.
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Re: Astrology of Visual Communication« Reply #1 - on: 13.10.2009 at 13:32 [UT+1] »Interesting topic, since I am studying for an exam on non-verbal communication in ancient Egypt and theAncient Near East.

With regard to rock art, this was usually done by the shaman or spiritual leader of the tribe after or while in atrance. Usually this would be a genetic transference, like an inherited characteristic passed down throughgenerations. Here an emphasis on the B could be likely and C because it is the planet of communication. Also
12th/6th house planets.

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Re: Astrology of Visual Communication« Reply #2 - on: 13.10.2009 at 19:32 [UT+1] »Quote from Ceto* on 13.10.2009 at 13:32 [UT+1]:
Interesting topic, since I am studying for an exam on non-verbal communication in ancient Egypt and the Ancient Near East.

With regard to rock art, this was usually done by the shaman or spiritual leader of the tribe after or while in a trance. Usually this would
be a genetic transference, like an inherited characteristic passed down through generations. Here an emphasis on thecould be likelyandbecause it is the planet of communication. Also 12th/6th house planets.

BCHi Ceto,
Thats really interesting, shamans are said to be signified by Chiron by Melanie Reinhart, who has also termed
constellation Ophiuchus (which is prominent in both Eco and Disney's charts above) the "Chiron Gateway" soperhaps Chiron also has a strong connection with forms of visual communication?
Yes, Mercury is likely to be prominent in the the charts of those known for their methods of communication,
Dinsey's 3rd house Sun/Uranus alludes to him using inventive new techniques of communicating. IngmarBergman, the legendary Swedish film-maker also has his Sun in sidereal Gemini in the 9th house and Neptune
on the MC,, stressing that he would be moved to communicate with the world through the moving image.
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Re: Astrology of Visual Communication« Reply #3 - on: 13.10.2009 at 20:56 [UT+1] »Quote from Neptune's Storm on 13.10.2009 at 19:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from Ceto* on 13.10.2009 at 13:32 [UT+1]:
Interesting topic, since I am studying for an exam on non-verbal communication in ancient Egypt and the Ancient NearEast.

With regard to rock art, this was usually done by the shaman or spiritual leader of the tribe after or while in a trance.
Usually this would be a genetic transference, like an inherited characteristic passed down through generations. Here anemphasis on thecould be likely andbecause it is the planet of communication. Also 12th/6th house planets.

BC

Hi Ceto,Thats really interesting, shamans are said to be signified by Chiron by Melanie Reinhart, who has also termed constellation Ophiuchus(which is prominent in both Eco and Disney's charts above) the "Chiron Gateway" so perhaps Chiron also has a strong connection withforms of visual communication?
Yes, Mercury is likely to be prominent in the the charts of those known for their methods of communication, Dinsey's 3rd house
Sun/Uranus alludes to him using inventive new techniques of communicating. Ingmar Bergman, the legendary Swedish film-maker also
has his Sun in sidereal Gemini in the 9th house and Neptune on the MC,, stressing that he would be moved to communicate with the world
through the moving image.

Ceto, Curious to know how one studies 'non-verbal' communication? And how does one sit an 'exam' in this'topic' ? Is everything done on computer screen, where you can just go-ogle and get visual examples ofanything in the whole wide universe and then co-relate these images with ...symbols/words?
I'm so curious to know how this 'non-verbal study' is done! It is also interesting that your are studying theAncient Eastern ways. No doubt our 'western ways' (ancient or modern) can be learned by simply turning on
television...or the computer, now....all visual after all, then?
Neptune's Storm,'' Mercury C is strictly the servant of the gods, and is not much good when it comes toconducting 'shamanic/silent/communication' to humans,,,though when it comes to 'signs' yes, all symbols'written' and 'spoken' are her/his domain, through the use of the hands and extended tools...C is amonkey/puppet of the 'gods' ... liar, trickster,simulator etc.
While the Moon, and all her connections, e.g. M, Dark Moon, The Subconscious, Dreams, Pluto, Dark Force,
The Mirror, The Deep, The Chthonic, I Neptunian Sea, d h l would all symbolise astrologically the best
lunar-type communicators ...((any planets in those signs, e/g/)) silent, surprising, following Moon's own B
lunar 'stream' ... and I do mean this in connection with the Moon herself, side-really. She is as strong a symbolas the Sun,,,Light Bringer,,,but B is always communicating in a very different way, wordlessly. No thoughts orrationality required... as sure and true a knowledge for the right, tuned-in lunar communicators, as you may (ormay not?

) expect from the 'mouth of a scientist'.

I link much of my own 'intense communications' with Natal MnG and transiting O in l. But I'm not very'scientific' ...
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Re: Astrology of Visual Communication« Reply #4 - on: 13.10.2009 at 23:23 [UT+1] »Hi Myrios,Its interesting you raise dark Moon Lilith in connection with visual communication as I noticed both Ingmar
Bergman and Steven Spielberg, two of the greatest visual communicators of our time have Lilith prominent intheir charts: Spielberg has mean Lilith conjunct his Sun and Bergman has mean Lilith conjunct his Moon/Mars.
I tink this could relate to what you say about the Moon communicating in non-verbal or subliminal means,
Bergman's film "Persona" seems to focus on Lilith themes, portraying an actress who has become mutefollowing a theatre performance, which is often taken as a metaphor for the difficulty Bergman had incommunicating his vision to the audience. The Moon as a channel for reflecting upon relationships and social
structures clearly seems to be a possible theme here, it is ruler of Bergman's tropical Sun, Spielberg's tropicalascendant and in Disney's first house.
Bergman's chart:

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Member« Reply #5 - on: 14.10.2009 at 13:53 [UT+1] »[quote author=Myrios link=1255420424/0#3 date=1255463775

Ceto, Curious to know how one studies 'non-verbal' communication? And how does one sit an 'exam' in this'topic' ? Is everything done on computer screen, where you can just go-ogle and get visual examples ofanything in the whole wide universe and then co-relate these images with ...symbols/words?
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I'm so curious to know how this 'non-verbal study' is done!

It is also interesting that your are studying theAncient Eastern ways. No doubt our 'western ways' (ancient or modern) can be learned by simply turning on
television...or the computer, now....all visual after all, then?
Neptune's Storm,'' Mercury C is strictly the servant of the gods, and is not much good when it comes toconducting 'shamanic/silent/communication' to humans,,,though when it comes to 'signs' yes, all symbols'written' and 'spoken' are her/his domain, through the use of the hands and extended tools...C is amonkey/puppet of the 'gods' ... liar, trickster,simulator etc.
While the Moon, and all her connections, e.g. M, Dark Moon, The Subconscious, Dreams, Pluto, Dark Force,The Mirror, The Deep, The Chthonic, I Neptunian Sea, d h l would all symbolise astrologically the best
lunar-type communicators ...((any planets in those signs, e/g/)) silent, surprising, following Moon's own B
lunar 'stream' ... and I do mean this in connection with the Moon herself, side-really. She is as strong a symbolas the Sun,,,Light Bringer,,,but B is always communicating in a very different way, wordlessly. No thoughts orrationality required... as sure and true a knowledge for the right, tuned-in lunar communicators, as you may (ormay not?
) expect from the 'mouth of a scientist'.
I link much of my own 'intense communications' with Natal MnG and transiting O in l. But I'm not very'scientific' ...
MyriosHi, there are various categories of non-verbal communication, kinesics, proxemics, haptics, chrometics andpersonal appearance. We use these to interpret art from ancient cultures, when there are no texts to describe
what we are seeing. For example we will study the symbolism of gestures in ancient Egyptian art, most cultures
make use of specific stances or gestures to express relationships or to communicate ideas etc. You know in theOld kingdom, art was very formal and therefore easier to isolate and identify gestures of dominance,submission, protection, praise etc. An example would be the sharing of the meaning of specific gestures which
would be found in Egypt and the surrounding cultures, like the use of the bow involved in various stances andposes.
I don't think we have to be philosophical about this field.
Exams would be to identify and define from pictures and questions, involving the various cultures, it's easier touse Egypt as an example here, because it is more well known. It is important to be able to identify andinterpret all the different styles of art from all the ancient cultures.
Also the Stone Age cultures, I did a lot of that last year, so I can interpret rock art, the obvious meaning andalso the more spiritual/trance meaning. Particularly San rock art from my country.
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Member« Reply #6 - on: 14.10.2009 at 15:31 [UT+1] »Quote from Neptune's Storm on 13.10.2009 at 19:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from Ceto* on 13.10.2009 at 13:32 [UT+1]:
Interesting topic, since I am studying for an exam on non-verbal communication in ancient Egypt and the Ancient NearEast.

With regard to rock art, this was usually done by the shaman or spiritual leader of the tribe after or while in a trance.
Usually this would be a genetic transference, like an inherited characteristic passed down through generations. Here anemphasis on theB could be likely and C because it is the planet of communication. Also 12th/6th house planets.

Hi Ceto,Posts: 1458

Thats really interesting, shamans are said to be signified by Chiron by Melanie Reinhart, who has also termed constellation Ophiuchus(which is prominent in both Eco and Disney's charts above) the "Chiron Gateway" so perhaps Chiron also has a strong connection withforms of visual communication?
Yes, Mercury is likely to be prominent in the the charts of those known for their methods of communication, Dinsey's 3rd house
Sun/Uranus alludes to him using inventive new techniques of communicating. Ingmar Bergman, the legendary Swedish film-maker also
has his Sun in sidereal Gemini in the 9th house and Neptune on the MC,, stressing that he would be moved to communicate with the world
through the moving image.

Hi NS,
Do you think there would be a different astrological pattern for communication through moving images andstatic images?
Now, having a career in this field would also involve the 10th house. Back in the day the position of theshaman/witch doctor would be in service to the tribe/community, that's why I thought of the 6th/12th axis. But
it would also be their inherited status, so the 10th/4th house would play a hand. I do think Chiron is importantas teacher/healer and more specifically in the charts of individuals whose lives would of corresponded to themyth, but this would not always be the case, because Chiron holds some extreme altruistic characteristics which
we do not find that easily. We tend to dilute these themes when we apply it to charts?
I think that astrology charts reflect the genes that are passed through the generations, so this type of skill
would be passed genetically and picked up by an astrologer, the problem we have is that we don't have thecharts to prove this. Also in African cultures, the influence of our ancestors is very important, I think this is dueto the our genetic inheritance, but it is generally discribed as the actual spirit of the ancestor.
I love Umberto Eco, not the greatest writer, but an interesting person.
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