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Curiosa Nervosa
MemberRussian X-ray eyes girl« on: 18.02.2013 at 14:44 [UT] »There is this russian girl with socalled x-ray vision. Apparently she can see into peoples bodies.
Natalya Nikolayevna Demkina is her name. I want to find her birthday, but no such luck yet cansomebody help?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Demkina

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mydogphoebe

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #1 - on: 18.02.2013 at 15:54 [UT] »http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/29-05-2008/105380-natasha_demkina-0/

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Curiosa Nervosa
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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #2 - on: 18.02.2013 at 15:58 [UT] »Quote from mydogphoebe on 18.02.2013 at 15:54 [UT]:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/483/

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I asked for her birthdata. Not for personal opinions by so-called "skeptics" about her abilities.

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mydogphoebe

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #3 - on: 18.02.2013 at 16:05 [UT] »So you did, Curiosa, but this is a public forum and others might be interested in the claims this woman has
made andhow her abilities were tested.

Discernment is a quality worth cultivating.

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #4 - on: 18.02.2013 at 16:12 [UT] »http://www.weeksupdate.com/2008/07/natasha-demkina-girl-with-x-ray-eyes.html
born 28 January 1987 Saransk, Mordovia

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Curiosa Nervosa

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #5 - on: 18.02.2013 at 17:00 [UT] »Quote from Sayaro on 18.02.2013 at 16:12 [UT]:
http://www.weeksupdate.com/2008/07/natasha-demkina-girl-with-x-ray-eyes.html
born 28 January 1987 Saransk, Mordovia

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THANK YOU!

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #6 - on: 18.02.2013 at 17:42 [UT] »My guess is that she was born at 14.00 BAT with Cancer rising.
Jupiter in Pisces in 10th conjunct helio Mercury and sextile Moon in 7th. Moon 120 helio Mars. Sun in 8th.
Helio Venus 180 Jupiter , both geo and helio.

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MC 120 Pluto and 60 Neptune.
Any other suggestion for her birth time?

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #7 - on: 18.02.2013 at 19:39 [UT] »A really fascinating story. Really tight E/K conjunction.

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #8 - on: 18.02.2013 at 23:20 [UT] »Quote from mydogphoebe on 18.02.2013 at 15:54 [UT]:
http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/29-05-2008/105380-natasha_demkina-0/

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Actually I found this to be a good article, because I liked the story on page two that involved the journalist who
had been in an accident and had hidden her wounds. I do wonder about the experiment where she guessed fourout of seven: what the circumstances actually were, and would like to read about her side of the story of what
she experienced. I don't think that we really know enough about psychic phenomenon, but just looking at myown experiences with my intuition: sometimes I am uncannily spot on and sometimes I am completely off themark, but it doesn't mean that I discredit my intuition: it means that sometimes it has its place, or needs to befurther developed, or simply needs to be grounded and balanced with conscious effort to think and reason.
Thanks for bringing her to my attention, Curiosa Nervosa. Aquarius AC, with Uranus square Jupiter (andUranus in Sagittarius paying tribute to Jupiter, so Jupiter 'owns' Uranus), hints to me that we are mixing
knowledge with unusual intelligence. Something both intuitive (Jupiter), and innovative (Uranus), and then
combining fire with water (Sag and Pisces), I was once told, fire and water is intuition and imagination that canmirror psychic talents.
Mars has a lot to do with the physical body, and closely conjunct North Node hints that one of her main aims inlife is to focus on the physical vitality, being in Aries.
But I also immediately thought of Chiron, because illness and healing, and whatever aspects Chiron makes
might be significant here.
Chiron is sextile this Mars and North Node. It also trines its dispositor (Mercury), while Mercury itself is in
Aquarius (Aquarius is intellect that can perceive at times complex and subtle patterns in whatever it pays
attention to). Mercury is sextile Mars and Venus. Mars and Venus combined often indicate love of the humanbody. In fire, it suggests strong intuition about the body. With Mercury in Aquarius, we are seeing many
opportunities to blend intelligence and perception with intuition. I also need to add its close sextile to Saturn in
Sagittarius too, because Saturn is the incarnation, or 'structure' of the body on some level (esp since it isinvolved with Venus and Mars).
Chiron opposite to Saturn / Venus yet sextile to Mercury (its dispositor) and Mars is also valuable to note.
Oppositions are not always negative. They are chances for integration. The intelligence of Gemeni (who canspot the details) needs the 'bigger picture' of Sagittarius so that it can draw the final outcome.
That Chiron is retrograde reminds me of reading about how she cannot see nor diagnose herself, or thatsometimes healing / wounding issues are directed toward her inner self. Also, at times maybe getting the 'facts'(gemeni) wrong, and needing to heal via learning and communicating the facts or details. With Mercury in
Aquarius, its a good sign to me that she will get there.
But just making these symbolic analogies to her chart tells me that there is something valid about this woman,at the very least, that her interest in the human body through her imagination / intuition / unusual ways ofthinking really is a legitimate and genuine topic of interest to her.
I think its wonderful that she has pursued medical studies and would not be surprised to hear about her
innovating or adding a new way of diagnosing / treating the human body in her field.
I don't believe psychic or intuitive abilities are always correct, one in that they might always need further
development: two, that they might need to be balanced with reason and logic (as compliments like Sag andGemeni, Virgo and Pisces, Leo and Aquarius). She was a young child / teenager, and there have been interviews
reported where she did give accurate diagnoses. Yet her expanding knowledge about the human body could
actually enhance her intuition / psychic abilities. And vice versa: her intuition could enhance her intelligence andwit in identifying diagnosis and solutions.
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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #9 - on: 19.02.2013 at 00:16 [UT] »There's a 4 part series (I think from Discovery Channel) I watched this morning. Really fascinating. In it she
comes to the U.S. for an experiment, to prove her 'claim'. One thing about that experiment was it was only 2parts, sort of a quick pass or fail, to me it seemed they set her up to fail. It seems most any real scientific
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experiment would include several tests and several methods, not just 2. Also sad in the 2nd experiment thatthey did not give her any people with disease; only people that had a hip replacement, metal plate in his head,part of lung removed,, appendix removed, etc., all post-op rather than truly ill people. Maybe she can only see
the sickness? And even then she choose correctly 4 out of 7 (1 in 50 chance).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdvMNnQFUE

Antarestar,
Really great, in-depth analysis.

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Rhythm9
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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #10 - on: 19.02.2013 at 02:20 [UT] »Thank you for the link Zippy, as I was just hoping I'd find something about her on youtube.

Today, I have transit Clo my natal Ci and I also am an older generation of Fl so I must have felt somekind of affinity with her (note, I know very little about the human body and today was asked to help a close
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friend who is studying anatomy and physiology....so I'll be reading with him...that's synchronicity for you!)Amazing how Astrology can at times show us what we would otherwise miss. Looking forward to watching thison youtube.

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #11 - on: 19.02.2013 at 16:22 [UT] »Let me know what you think of the video and if you have any recent news of her.

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #12 - on: 19.02.2013 at 16:54 [UT] »I read the article about her in wikipedia. It mentioned the experiments done on her in the US and for the
Discovery Channel; pretty much designed to make her fail. The Discovery Channel has some very strong
hidden biases which they don't acknowledge.
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Curiosa Nervosa

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #13 - on: 20.02.2013 at 07:04 [UT] »Quote from zippy on 19.02.2013 at 00:16 [UT]:There's a 4 part series (I think from Discovery Channel) I watched this morning. Really fascinating. In it she comes to the U.S. for an
experiment, to prove her 'claim'. One thing about that experiment was it was only 2 parts, sort of a quick pass or fail, to me it seemed
they set her up to fail. It seems most any real scientific experiment would include several tests and several methods, not just 2. Also sadin the 2nd experiment that they did not give her any people with disease; only people that had a hip replacement, metal plate in his head,

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part of lung removed,, appendix removed, etc., all post-op rather than truly ill people. Maybe she can only see the sickness? And eventhen she choose correctly 4 out of 7 (1 in 50 chance).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLdvMNnQFUE

Antarestar,
Really great, in-depth analysis.

Yes, Mr. Richard Wiseman isn't actually known to have a fondness for psychics, he regularly makes fun of andmock them on his twitter, so he isn't really objective nor credible. Here is his blog with some of his thoughts on
Astrology http://richardwiseman.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/lets-test-astrology/
AND also; she didn't even get to do her work in her usual manner, so it was set up to fail in a way I think. Thereis a difference in working with people and their aura/electromagnetic field and a piece of paper...
Another point is that she might have seen things they haven't discovered themselves yet..
Some so-called skeptics are just dogmatic and not objective, if there even is such a thing..
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Friesiangal
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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #14 - on: 20.02.2013 at 09:36 [UT] »Hi all,A number of years back during my study of the possible effects of the astrological point Black Moon Lilith(natural inherent talent seeking outer expression), I looked up the chart of Wilhelm Röentgen, the 'discoverer'of x-rays. His chart showed MEANMcpIk.
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Gender:http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?wgid=wgeJw1jkEOgjAURE_jbkj6Kw1q85eEjW7YsC7SUC
JtCNQQLuYFvJjF6GqSN5OZWYfHwFL3ng3p0HH9foXY24BmGJ0dPTxkgSPolCtQfhECvrCk0JsRAlcbgp1Q
VFEgwhNSSYGMzpTyQpuuDcZb_nUepPjP7FZnomVZJHoz890l3cd0G7cpPfPRsYmrdsvGGel5YWqqDxpH
Röentgen and Natascha both have IqJ, whilst Natascha's Neptune squares his heavily loaded Aries planets.
Natascha has a natal IjnMd; true or osc. BML is between 23-21dr.
It's common knowledge that, for many, natural abilities seem to vanish into thin air under periods ofpressure(G).
During 2003/4 of the experimentation of her psychic talent, Saturn was transiting Cancer. Science sought proofof that which cannot be visibly seen, only inwardly experienced.
Intriguing.

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Rhythm9

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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #15 - on: 21.02.2013 at 05:13 [UT] »Quote from zippy on 19.02.2013 at 16:22 [UT]:Let me know what you think of the video and if you have any recent news of her.

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I watched the youtube video, and thank you again for this. The experiment was set up on the basis that she
only needed to look at a person and could diagnose this person with her eyes. x ray eyes was taken literally,'psychic' being regarded as a phenomenon of knowing without any real given clues or dialogue with individuals.
So the scientists decided, from the first moment, that the 'psychic' or intuitive function in her needed to be
separated from the reasoning and logical part of her. It's 'cheating' to use certain parts of our brains, it seems.

The analogy I think of in science is how to this day, scientists take the fact that quantum level of nature
behaves differently from the laws of nature on a macrocosmic level as a given: they don't know why, and manyof them don't ask why. They have no idea as to how the two seemingly contradictory laws of nature can co-exist
in everything that exists. Yet they do.
This is the same in my view with intuition and reason. I don't believe you can have one without the other, butthat to discount one is to belittle the other.
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AND also; she didn't even get to do her work in her usual manner, so it was set up to fail in a way I think. There is a difference in working
with people and their aura/electromagnetic field and a piece of paper...

Agreed, Curiosa Nervosa. Yes there is an element of suggestibility that goes on when she talks with people, but
this might be exactly what she needs to enhance her imagery and intuition. I see something similar working
with Astrology. I can work on a person's chart for many hours, and envision and try to reason out how it works,
but it is only when I sit and dialogue with the person that it comes to have any real relevance. I would say
there is a lot of suggestibility taking place: but I don't see it as me 'tricking' myself or the person: rather, I
need certain information for the symbolic and intuitive part of me to go on and give relevant feedback to theperson I am talking to.
That people claim that she has accurately diagnosed their ailments means that her method somehow often
works, unless we are going to dismiss the stories shared by people who saw her as being delusional. I thinkexperiments should rather be based on how she does this, rather than if she is legitimately psychic or not. We
need to actually try to understand how 'psychic' phenomenon actually works in a human being, what facultiesof the mind / emotions it involves, rather than expect it to just mean that a person can at will, any time, dosomething 'supernatural'. Surely if a phenomenon is in a human being, it must be natural on some level.
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It's common knowledge that, for many, natural abilities seem to vanish into thin air under periods of pressure().
During 2003/4 of the experimentation of her psychic talent, Saturn was transiting Cancer. Science sought proof of that which cannot be
visibly seen, only inwardly experienced.

Friesiengal, interesting with what you said of Saturn being in Cancer. Saturn is authority, and being the
traditional ruler of Aquarius, Saturn has a hint of the scientist in it too. It may have opposed her Moon (ifnatally in Capricorn), so Moon and Saturn would have been in opposition, in mutual reception. I see thepositive face of this being that she went on and gained high marks in her studies, so she integrated thedemands of the reasoning, scientific world with her inner attitudes / imagination (Moon).
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Re: Russian X-ray eyes girl« Reply #16 - on: 21.02.2013 at 11:08 [UT] »Quote from Antarestar on 21.02.2013 at 05:13 [UT]:

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During 2003/4 of the experimentation of her psychic talent, Saturn was transiting Cancer. Science sought proof of that

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Gender:which cannot be visibly seen, only inwardly experienced.

Friesiengal, interesting with what you said of Saturn being in Cancer. Saturn is authority, and being the traditionalruler of Aquarius, Saturn has a hint of the scientist in it too. It may have opposed her Moon (if natally in Capricorn), so Moon and
Saturn would have been in opposition, in mutual reception. I see the positive face of this being that she went on and gained high marks inher studies, so she integrated the demands of the reasoning, scientific world with her inner attitudes / imagination (Moon).

Yes indeed. We could hypothesise on the relevance of Saturn as tradiitonal ruler of Aquarius in the chart.
The archivarius of all past knowledge that, at some point, brings it into conscious awareness again and is thencalled 'intuition'.
Whatever her birth time, Moon is in Capricorn. Her Sun is in Aquarius. Saturn could 'work' for both, yetthrough different channels. It could bring and connect the past with the present and the future, using Sag's'reasoning power, which through CkqGi would hardly be of a 'rational and logical' quality?
I wonder if her Moon (conditioning) has taken precedence in how she lives her life, whether her 'psychic power'
has gone into retreat until her progressed Sun in Pisces sextiles Neptune around her 29th year, coinciding wth
the Saturn return. Maybe she will reappear as a 'wonder' again?
As said before, an intriguing chart.
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