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QueenofCups
MemberExtreme Schizophrenia Chart« on: 10.08.2010 at 18:43 [UT+1] »This chart is of a person with an extreme, documented case of schizophrenia. The person's age, gender, and anyother identifying information have been taken from the chart. I don't know this person but I am aware of theirunfortunate story. The birth data is 100% correct.
I am astounded by this chart. Notice how the ABCD are all in the signs they rule? And how AB are nI?
There are numerous interesting signs in this chart, I'm interested in hearing what others think of it.

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #1 - on: 11.08.2010 at 15:27 [UT+1] »Good God, how old is this person? Looking at the outers, OIJ, this person must have been born in the early
2000s!
How sad that s/he is suffering from extreme schizophrenia at such a young age

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #2 - on: 11.08.2010 at 16:50 [UT+1] »I'm thinking that at 5 years old this person suffered some trauma that knocked him/her right into the "otherworld", where refuge was sought, and they haven't returned. Hold old was he/she when the diagnosis was
made?
Ugh, that Pluto/Saturn opposition on the parental axis...

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #3 - on: 11.08.2010 at 17:51 [UT+1] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 11.08.2010 at 15:27 [UT+1]:
Good God, how old is this person? Looking at the outers,

OIJ, this person must have been born in the early 2000s!

And looking at the degrees of the planets, this person was born sometime in August 2002. So s/he has recently
turned 8.
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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #4 - on: 11.08.2010 at 18:01 [UT+1] »Nodes to pluto....mother issues. Moon critical degre.
Somekind of upsets during the 1 week in life. Was there somekind of changes according parents?
SA neptune to sun 5+ yrs old...starting some medication? The child gets lost somehow. Next yrs to mars...
neptune is ruling the relationship axis. But showing the mind of one of the parents. MP mon/venus= merc
opposing uranus. Sucks for love ..venus/saturn.
Bibbe

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QueenofCups

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #5 - on: 11.08.2010 at 18:17 [UT+1] »Without giving too much away, to protect the identity of the family - yes this is a young child, who is believed
to have been born with this. Difficult as that is to believe. I think the child is highly intelligent but unfortunately
at the mercy of it's own mind, unable to control horrible hallucinations and voices.
No, the child was never abused or suffered any trauma. The child has wonderful, loving parents who are goingto the ends of the earth to get help. They have made enormous sacrifices to help their child survive and keep
the child in their home.
It's a strange and rare case. I have immense respect and sympathy for this family and what they go through.
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I posted the chart because I only recently became aware of the exact birth time, and was curious to see if there
was anything that showed in the chart.
I think it's an incredibly interesting chart to study.

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Rosalia
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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #6 - on: 11.08.2010 at 18:29 [UT+1] »This post reminds me of another thread and disscussion about a very
sick schizophrenic girl named Jani. QueenofCups - when I casted the chart I got almost the same as yours....

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http://www.janisjourney.org/
Jani's parents made her case a public one even stating her exact birth time - so I don't think it's anything
wrong
with saying her name here.....
They have a blog in which they describe girl's life, her struggle with schizophrenia
and also their battle to keep her alive and find a cure..... A very moving story.....
They want people to know Jani's story. They want to bring awarness to the generall public.
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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #7 - on: 11.08.2010 at 18:35 [UT+1] »Shoot - I posted the wrong time for the chart! It was an AM chart, but should have been PM. My apologies!

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #8 - on: 11.08.2010 at 18:38 [UT+1] »Quote from Roza-munda on 11.08.2010 at 18:29 [UT+1]:
This post reminds me of another thread and disscussion about a very
sick schizophrenic girl named Jani. QueenofCups - when I casted the chart I got almost the same as yours....
Can't find the old thread - it was disscussed about a year ago, but found now this page:
http://www.janisjourney.org/
Jani's parents made her case a public one even stating her exact birth time - so I don't think it's anything wrong
with saying her name here.....
They have a blog in which they describe girl's life, her struggle with schizophrenia
and also their battle to keep her alive and find a cure..... A very moving story.....

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I didn't know it had been discussed here before. I read her father's blog frequently. I just didn't feel rightdisplaying her name and info because she is a minor, I know they are public with their story, but I didn't think it
was my place to discuss their child by name on a forum so I wanted to keep it anon. It is a heart breaking
story. Thanks for the info.
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Rosalia

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #9 - on: 11.08.2010 at 18:49 [UT+1] »Even I respect privacy so much I decided to post the link to the blog and girls name here,
because it's wide known anyway, which was decision of her parents...

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Gender:Reading her story is something moving and even by that, this brings awarness to peopleof what a mental dissese can be...... end makes you think a little before you judge somekid's behaviour or even adult's....

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Member« Reply #10 - on: 11.08.2010 at 19:17 [UT+1] »Quote from QueenofCups on 11.08.2010 at 18:35 [UT+1]:
Shoot - I posted the wrong time for the chart! It was an AM chart, but should have been PM. My apologies!

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Gender:it is the dual gemini ascendant with lord jupiter just entered leo may be the ego is not well developed thoughcreative. the sun/moon/mars in leo in the 6th could make one excited probably trying to cope up with theenvironment and perceived hidden enemies. venus again at zero deg libra could be indicative of weak ability torelate to people and maintain the balance/poise.
saturn/rahu-node combination in dual intellectural analytical gemini in the 4th could be suggestive of her
intrapsychic confusions and illusions and the inner unresloved darkness, paralysis by analysis and, thehallucinations gemini representing the ears. ketu in the 10th saggitarius could suggest detachment from theouter world with philosophical outlook while all the planets are in the dark half. mercury in elevated virgo could
suggest tendency for being intellectual and a perfectionist while mercury is considered inimical for the pisces
ascendant - wise vs intellectual.
could light camphor daily for rahu the node, while could light a sesame oil lamp daily evening for saturn. could
pray to a saint of faith daily with yellow flowers for jupiter the ascendant supportive of the chart. wearing stone
related to rahu on the little finger could perhaps bring inner peace of mind.
being a young girl could think of therapies like past life regression, etc to suggest it though appropriate. gemini
represents music and could play music that normally is experienced as soothing for her which she likes/prefers.
for ketu could offer special prayers to Christ on tuesdays.
saturn is now elevated in the 7th libra and could perhaps regain some balance over the next 2.5 yrs hopefully,
while jupiter the healer and the ascendant is retrograde for the coming 4-5 months impacting the previous sign
own pisces with pars fortuna there and could be supportive of healing process now probably. ketu in the 5thcancer could cause anxiety while rahu in the 11th capricorn could benefit from a foeigner/foreign doctor
perhaps.
hope these observations help enable reflect further and help some way,
wishing well,kshantaram

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bibbe

Ex Member« Reply #11 - on: 11.08.2010 at 19:25 [UT+1] »Quote from bibbe on 11.08.2010 at 18:01 [UT+1]:
Nodes to pluto....mother issues. Moon critical degre.
Somekind of upsets during the 1 week in life. Was there somekind of changes according parents?
SA neptune to sun 5+ yrs old...starting some medication? The child gets lost somehow. Next yrs to mars... neptune is ruling therelationship axis. But showing the mind of one of the parents. MP mon/venus= merc opposing uranus. Sucks for love ..venus/saturn.
Bibbe

Just a comment,
With the wrong chart no chance with timning of events that might impact on the childs development.
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Rainbow Seeker
Ex Member« Reply #12 - on: 11.08.2010 at 19:31 [UT+1] »Is this that chart, when you progress it , you end up with a t -sqaure with I at the apex?

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #13 - on: 11.08.2010 at 19:42 [UT+1] »Quote from Roza-munda on 11.08.2010 at 18:29 [UT+1]:
This post reminds me of another thread and disscussion about a very
sick schizophrenic girl named Jani. QueenofCups - when I casted the chart I got almost the same as yours....
Can't find the old thread - it was disscussed about a year ago, but found now this page:
http://www.janisjourney.org/
Jani's parents made her case a public one even stating her exact birth time - so I don't think it's anything wrong
with saying her name here.....
They have a blog in which they describe girl's life, her struggle with schizophrenia
and also their battle to keep her alive and find a cure..... A very moving story.....
They want people to know Jani's story. They want to bring awarness to the generall public.
If I got her birht place right (not sure of this) her chart looks like this:Thanks for this....I recall reading that blog quite awhile ago....but didn't know her time of birth was there.
The vibrations in her chart are similar to the OP chart.
Very similar.

J.
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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia ChartjehanneEx Member« Reply #14 - on: 11.08.2010 at 19:56 [UT+1] »Quote from bibbe on 11.08.2010 at 18:01 [UT+1]:
Nodes to pluto....mother issues. Moon critical degre.
Somekind of upsets during the 1 week in life. Was there somekind of changes according parents?
SA neptune to sun 5+ yrs old...starting some medication? The child gets lost somehow. Next yrs to mars... neptune is ruling therelationship axis. But showing the mind of one of the parents. MP mon/venus= merc opposing uranus. Sucks for love ..venus/saturn.
Bibbe

Sun extremely critical in negative vibration of 15Leo conj. Dubhe a fixed star that is not harmonious foranything symbolically speaking (planet wise) or asteroids, or anything!
MC Sag (ruled by Jupiter) (max. 15th degree) will exert the maximum of the energy inherent in the soul’s
incarnation this time around, and it’s about Jupiterian energy here. Jupiter opposes Neptune from 12th to thecusp of the 6th, but in the 5th. (something going on with the parents during this time when she was conceived
should be looked at more stringently)

Did mother have a breakdown while carrying or around the time the fetus came to her? Neptune in the
12th house, opposite Mars in the 6th of Health issues. Neptune also opposite Jupiter & the Moon (motherarchtype)
as well, her Sun (father) opposing Neptune, and in the 6th.
Do the parents take drugs? Were they having severe marital problems then? During the conception or the 9months she was carried in the womb?
Pluto also in the maximum 15th degree conj. the 4th house cusp of home life. Exerting control to the max……
opposed to the NN.
Venus in critical degree, as is Mars. POF conj. Regulus.(exaggeration of self) quite possible.
Yes, I can see where all these inharmonious vibrations would equal an extreme case of schizophrenia or any
type of extreme case issues with Mercury opposing Neptune thrown in to the mix here.
I'm more interested in the parents (using the Tad Mann approach) here, then the resultant soul who came tothem, although I can see the vibrations point to something happening in their life (when she came to them)
The child isn't born into a vaccuum, and this (the Tad Mann approach) has nothing to do with laying blame
onto parents either. That would be a complete misunderstanding of his methods.
Each soul is responsible for their own choices but each is also seeking a similar enough (or resonating)vibration to come into when they are born here.
The 9th house cusp (conception house) is quite different for these two birth charts .
One is Scorpio and therefore Mars lord found in the 6th with the AB and resultant "issues" with nI, whilst
the other Jani, is completely different in nature although the end result might be similar.
Jani's is 9th house cusp in k ruled by G O with no planets in the 6th, instead the stellium incl. the AB in
the 3rd of the lower mind, opposed to 9th house I (higher ideals)
A lot to contemplate here.
J.

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Rosalia

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #15 - on: 11.08.2010 at 20:42 [UT+1] »From Jani's Father blog: Quote:She was born on August 8th, 2002 at 1:06am. That is still one of the happiest moments of my life.

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Gender:Couldn't find her birhtplace.... but all what her parents describes is taking place in California, so guessing it's
there....
I don't think that second chart is correct either.

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #16 - on: 11.08.2010 at 21:11 [UT+1] »Quote from Roza-munda on 11.08.2010 at 20:42 [UT+1]:
From Jani's Father blog: Quote:She was born on August 8th, 2002 at 1:06am. That is still one of the happiest moments of my life.

Couldn't find her birhtplace.... but all what her parents describes is taking place in California, so guessing it's there....
I don't think that second chart is correct either.

Yes, I think she was born in California, where her father teaches (he's a professor there)....
And yes, now I recall that Jani, (I already knew of her), is a case in point to study as her parents are allowing
her life to be known publically
http://www.janisjourney.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&It emid=104
This is the father's older Blog (before the Jani one)
I believe I am on the right track about the parents and their higher goals or vision. Unlike the 1st chart and the
9th house cusp[ symbolically, this set of parents took on this soul purposefully for their own higher evolution.
A willingness to do so.
Sometimes, the higher purpose is what moves us (case in point Jesus, and I'm not comparing, simply using a
metaphor here), and not having to make up (what we all term negative karma) as "He" had no reason to
return.
In this case, they (the parents) are of 9th house Neptune, higher Philosophical belief system. They are (or were)practicing Buddhists, named their son "Bodhi" after the Buddha's famed, Bodhi Tree revelations.
They have taken on the challenge of January, (Jani), for the express purpose of learning how to give, and not
take.
He speaks on this older blog of how he'd really prefer the silence to the chatter of Jani.
I can understand this especially when one is a true Buddhist. She (the daughter) is a challenge to his soul.
And they will gain tremendous rewards from this lifetime because of her. G Ruler of the 9th conception housecusp
is found in the 1st with the K (the soul's purpose), with placing the SN in the 7th in the sign of the teacher(past lifetimes), in the 7th house of the marriage with conj. to J (will transform this house)or house of consciousness.
We see in this natal which I believe is correct, (because it perfectly fits the parenting), that the AB are in thehigher learning, together they do this (not separately)....with E. We see the 9th house cusp of the conception
is ruled by j or G (older soul perhaps, and one that requires self-disciplined) behaviors from the parents (inparticular the mother's transits when this soul came to her)
We also see I in k in the 9th in the Higher Philosophy venue.
Very very interesting chart.
J. (imo)
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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #17 - on: 11.08.2010 at 22:19 [UT+1] »Upon further reflection on Jani's natal chart, I think the Nodes placed in (NN Gemini and SN Sagittarius) may
bespeak of one who studied and gathered bits of information from here, there and everywhere, in the past life
before this one.
Now, the purpose (NN in Gemini) is to reflect upon that multidinous information overload,
and find a "place for it"....in otherwords, file it into the brain's collective boxes, where the information becomes
available and useful and not just collecting (studying i.e. SN in i ) for the sake of collecting philosophicalinformation and other bits of rather useless info, IF not applied (for the soul's benefit)

I have myself K c, but in the 11th house, putting the SN in the 5th.
For Jani, she has NN in 1st in c with SN in 7th m J in the house of "others".....
those voices....those undermining voices whe is plagued with.
R. Schulman says in his book, "The Nodes and Reincarnation" that (pg 32) in Kc, the individual receives aninvitation to join society., and may be unaccustomed to appreciating the view of others. (SN i )......
He says the life may be excessive (SN i ) use to being a free spirit and therefore, answerable to no one (in thepast)
No yet learned how to focus the attention......and the past life makes it harder for anyone to get too close tohim (her)Through the Kc, will spend most of this life's energy learning how to be adept at the art of communications.
Must learn diplomatically to respect the rights of others...even when not realizing (because of past life's SN i
freedom of thought and lifestyle),....that occassinoally will step on another's toes in ignorance of not knowing
better.
"Like a Wild Stallion", (page 35) the author suggests....that the energy today is trying to tame.
How about the 1st chart (anoynomous?)
Her NN is in the sign of c as well, BUT in a very critical degree and in the 4th house (axis of parents) to the10th for the SN conj. Pluto.
I just noticed the anonymous chart, is l Rising, IF this is the correct chart? The Corrected chart in Reply#7?
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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #18 - on: 11.08.2010 at 23:44 [UT+1] »I'm sorry for this little child and her family..
I looked at her midpoints..
Her sun/moon mp oppose neptune
moon/pluto u uranus
moon/uranus o mars
moon/pluto and moon/uranus midpoints and aspects may relate to schizophrenia according to Ebertin..
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These 3 aspects shows her suffering illusions,deceptions..Highly emotional,nervous crises,lack of self control..

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #19 - on: 11.08.2010 at 23:50 [UT+1] »this isn't relevant to chart but spirtuality.. my psychic told me they may have tare in their aura, maybe good forher to see a shaman, craniosacral therapy etc

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #20 - on: 12.08.2010 at 00:43 [UT+1] »I don't believe this girl is schizophrenic. In fact I'm blown away by whoever would prescribe Thorazine to a six
year old child. I think the parents couldn't deal with her, became abusive and needed to excuse their own
behavior by making her bad behavior a spectacle. Ages 6 and 7 are the height of imaginative explanations andmagical thinking and one would not even be able to make this diagnosis until the brain and more matureemotional habits were formed. . This girl is making her parents happy by being sick because otherwise they'dhave to admit that what they've done to her is child abuse.
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Thorazine and Seroquel are heavy duty psych meds that cause extreme lethargy. It really worries me whenthese new chemical solutions show up to solve child development issues. Drugging people so they can't react orresist is what they do to government prisoners.
There is nothing crazy about a four year old girl with an imaginary cat named 400. There is nothing crazy
about a seven year old with a hundred imaginary friends who tell her to do things.
Look at the four/ten axis. Dad is batty. The only possible inference to mental illness I see in this chart is thevirgo/mercury in 12 square uranus in the 6th, but both are highly dignified. This might manifest as some kindof compulsive behavior or erratic thinking patterns, but schizophrenic is a serious stretch.
The disease of schizophrenia is not ever diagnosed this early usually because it takes the hormonal changes ofadolescence to bring about a specific set of organic changes in the brain: or actually the lack of certain changes
in processing as child's minds mature. I think this is a travesty, seriously, and I think those parents are either
crazy themselves or so desperate to be let off the hook for their inability to handle their daughter that they'dkeep insisting there was something so wrong with their six year old that they needed *Thorazine*. NO ONE
needs Thorazine.

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #21 - on: 12.08.2010 at 01:23 [UT+1] »haven't noticed anyone mention the pluto / south node conjunction yet, but this may be a key to the bizarre
otherworldly things this child may be experiencing.
pluto can represent unknown forces that are beyond our understanding that seem to come out of nowhere andforce us to pay attention.
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Gender:it also is sometimes associated with family secrets that may go back several generations. these energies can be
impossible to fathom and if this conjunction occurs right at the midheaven, may show a complete dependancy
on the parents that may never be overcome.

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #22 - on: 12.08.2010 at 02:41 [UT+1] »Quote from ShawnC on 12.08.2010 at 01:23 [UT+1]:
haven't noticed anyone mention the pluto / south node conjunction yet, but this may be a key to the bizarre otherworldly things this child
may be experiencing.
pluto can represent unknown forces that are beyond our understanding that seem to come out of nowhere and force us to pay attention.
it also is sometimes associated with family secrets that may go back several generations. these energies can be impossible to fathom andif this conjunction occurs right at the midheaven, may show a complete dependancy on the parents that may never be overcome.

Perhaps having to do with the rarity in a child this young:Reminds me of my mother's teachings...."There but for the Grace of God go I"
Notice now, she was born on the "Day of Mercury and the Hour of Mars" (Chaldean Rulerships)
I do not know how to apply or work with the Primary Directions, but understand they are very important andoften show the subtle things that occur when we aren't looking (in our lives)
Here are a few for Jani, when she become "anti-social" in serious way more hallucinatory (age 3) and then atage (5)
became violent and needed to be Hopitalized in January of 2009
Note: See the Primary Directions for the end of 2008 into 2009 when she became worse accdg.to the parents,
much worse and became violent towards others.
So much J I G going on for her.....
Perhaps someone who understands Primary Directions will comment on these and tell us whether or not they
are ongoing, (like a long transit.....or how to apply them to the chart itself)
Since I did not know (nor do) how they act in the chart, I've included those from just prior to her going into
the psych ward of the hospital in Jan. 09, and of course afterwards, since they should be relevant too I would
think.....

www.janisjourney.org
This website contains the story of January "Jani" Schofield, a six-year old afflicted with child onset
schizophrenia. This condition is extremely rare in a child of this age. The site chronicles the tribulations
experienced by Michael and Susan Schofield attempting to cope with their beloved daughter ....

The Asses in the Natal Chart: (Inharmonious),.....she has both Venus & the Moon conj. the Southern one andthe Northern Asselius
Asselli:
Death by fever, fire, hanging, beheading, or violent catastrophe, ruin, disgrace, wounds, hurts to face, eyetrouble, blindness, imprisonment, great changes in society
Unfortunate
Mars/ Moon
Aselli with Moon: Inflammatory fever, pains in the head, blindness. [Robson*, p.142.]
Asellus Australis with Moon: Ill-health, defective sight, hearing or speech; bad for business affairs, loss offriends and trouble through enemies. [Robson*, p.144.]

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #23 - on: 12.08.2010 at 20:32 [UT+1] »I don't know enough about schizophrenia to comment on the diagnosis, but we also have an allegation
concerning the parents on this string.
The following points seem important to me:

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Gender:1) The YOD Uranus to Venus/Moon is immensely powerful when combined with Mercury ( chart ruler strong in
its own sign) opposition Uranus ALSO in its own sign. Moon is anaretic and Jupiter conjunct amplifies
everything. These aspect patterns are strong enough to support a diagnosis of mental illness in this person's
life, even without...
2) CHIRON - Square Venus in the first, trine Mercury in the 12th, inconjunct Jupiter in the 11th house3) There is a dual interpretation of the Neptune placement - opposing both Moon/Jupiter and Sun/Mars. Firstly
of weakness in both parents - mental/psychological/physical - I cannot tell, but it undermines BOTH parents - aweakness that leads to mental/psychological/emotional weakness in their child, as Neptune is in the 5th house.
Father's creative qualities - with Sun in Leo aspected by both Scorpionic planets and opposing Neptune areparticularly under attack. Whether that is enough to warrant the allegation regarding the father by earthandair- well, these aspects are very strong indicators.
Then the way Neptune undermines the personality of the girl - it attacks both luminaries with a callous
Aquarian detachment.
4) Node opposition Pluto angular is very telling, sextile Mars/Sun and linking to Neptune. This child was notwanted initially; reactions to the pregnancy were highly intense and I've seen less-powerful aspect patterns than
this in charts where an abortion was attempted.
This is an awful chart by any method of interpretation - the Fire/Air combination is explosive. This little girl's
femininity is also under attack - Venus strong in its own sign in the first square Saturn. Sun conjunct masculine
Mars. No planet is free from these interconnected aspect patterns - all the powerful planetary PLACEMENTS are
thwarted by interconnected debilitating aspect constellations. It is horrible.

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #24 - on: 13.08.2010 at 16:49 [UT+1] »venus on the cusp of Libra.... too much of a good thing.

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Re: Extreme Schizophrenia Chart« Reply #25 - on: 13.08.2010 at 19:04 [UT+1] »Re Anon/Girl, which is becoming an ironic reflection for me, the Sabian for Venus @ 0 Libra (in her 7th):
In a collection of perfect specimens of many biological forms, a Butterfly displays the beauty of its
wings, its body impaled by a fine dart.
Ouch! The symbol is a metaphor for perfection of ideal forms, removed from their biological process orfunctionality through preservation, or "sacrifice" Rudhyar continues: "a process the symbolism of which has so
often been used to indicate to man the possibility of his being transformed into 'more than man,' thetranshuman being, the true Initiate, the Adept, the Perfect."
This Venus in the house of relationships receives a stream of unconscious awareness of community from
Neptune k 12th. That flow sextiles to Pluto/SNode at the MC, and as Jehanne wrote she most likely has andwill have subconscious experiences of prior generations of life. The Neptune flow to Venus sextiles to her 6th
house stellium where skills must be developed to cope, in a process of perfecting in this life. Earth and Air has
provided a wonderful example of how this child's parents seem to be wrestling her into their notion of
perfection, thereby applying "the dart". The Pluto/S.Node energy flows to her stellium as well. The notion of
the butterfly biologically transforming from the cacoon will be a repetitive theme for her. And, as Jehanne has
described via the Saggitarian S.Node, one that requires her persistently independent devotion. This is a very
spiritual conjunction affecting her "expansive" Sun/Moon/Mars conjunction with Jupiter, as Chesterfield noted.
Also note that Pluto has been transiting at her n-Chiron 10th, which opposes Saturn (a wide orb, but distinct
due to Saturn's - ruler of Capricorn - placement in 4th, and the square of Saturn to Venus). This child isstruggling greatly with transformation issues, which must be skillfully managed so she does not end up in a
Hadean tomb. It's effect has been on-going for 2 years and will continue through late November. I'd suspectinherited influences to be very much the part of pain and healing she is struggling through.
Back to the sabian ... this child is mandated to experience the ideal forms of life through relationship, and her
ability to communicate those is absolutely necessary to her development. Medicating her, as Earth&Air andShawn have addressed, is all wrong. There are tools to work with in her chart, maligned as it seems to be.
Steve, thanks for reminding me to look up that symbol.
Two personal asides regarding.
Firstly, it's no great secret that the med's don't work. I caught a news interview with a pharmacologicalpsychologist who dispenses the medications based on references from a therapeutic psychologist. Neither ofthese parties discuss the client case in any depth. He does his assessments based on the referral, anddetermines which drug is best suited. He said the system is a disastrous event of disconnect to patients who
require much deeper communicative therapies, and that the whole system has derived to suit the drug
manufactury.
Secondly, my daughter's best friend (born '97) is a highly Gemini'd character, who was on AdHd meds since she
was 7 or 8. She'd always had (since 3 yrs.old) highly urgent dreams, which her mom recognized parts of ...
details of her own past and psychic connections manifesting in her daughter's nightmares. When she was 10
she enrolled in a creative/drama magnet school, and several months later, suffered a series of episodes where
she lost consciousness. After a few months of testing, she was lucky enough to be assigned to a therapy teamthat got her into a physical/psyche program ... I can't recall the name. But it was devoted to the chakras, andmade her more confident in her self-expressions. She's a very competitive girl, who always felt everyone else
was more interesting than she. She's doing great now. Continues learning how to put the "inside" out there.
This can only be accomplished with the devoted support of parents and trusted adults in her community.

Chesterfield, I think your interpretations were addressed to the original chart ... but I got it!

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