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been trying to figure this out

Ex Member« on: 26.08.2014 at 03:36 [UT+1] »when in chemo, it rained and rained. cold. I became tired of music. afraid to go out much.
I kind of isolated myself on purpose. Flu bad that year.
I did memory lane from childhood as a hobby. or became something else. When I got to the eighties, I thought
what changed. I asked many people this same question. the majority say life did change. But why?
I can remember warm summer nights, no one asked if the door was locked.
the smells of earth, flowers, trees, seemed so inviting. No one locked car doors.
there was magic to go to school, Hey this school had a shooting.
no one cared what shoes you had. Now, kids are bullied.
playing seem normal. walking in the dark, hearing night sounds.
Wow, when did the kids become missing? gone.
so many thoughts, feelings. what happened? People say the internet. that is too easy of an answer. economy.
People did not act like this during the great depression and other times.

One friend I knew said, some are born with no souls.

or maybe the 50s 60s 70s an abnormal time period throughout history. I know some of you guys not born
before the 80s, so bare with me. or you hear your parents talk. It really was a beautiful time period. some say,the media reports everything now and it did not before. That is not true.
some blame women rights. some blame many things.

I did a chart. J in h
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #1 - on: 26.08.2014 at 08:20 [UT+1] »Quote from MariBSage on 26.08.2014 at 03:36 [UT+1]:

One friend I knew said, some are born with no souls.

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Even though this statement is controversial, i have through my years of study and practice realized the same.
The spirit will not house in a body that is misaligned and the individuals focus upon the material world alonecauses vibrations that are more dense than that created by the joining of opposites within the ego. It is thedownfall of mankind written about in Genesis and furthered explained as Cain killing Abel, and still further thetale of Ahab and his wife Jezebel. It is to no avail to explain why or if there is anything to be done as the
responsibility is upon each and every one to understand the meaning behind it and how to become self
conscious in this regard. Judgement placed upon another is a trap so cleverly used by Saturns dominion alongwith "Matyrdom" and all of its implications. To tread the path of righteousness without the cause for blame
creates suffering as is told in the story of Christ and it is said that if one reaches a certain point on the path offollowing spiritual reality, life becomes more difficult as the path becomes narrower than before.
You are never alone in your thoughts and many have thought the same. Peace be upon you as clarity is a mind
that has no thought of preservation or intent, but a divine presence of Will to be pure in action and deed.
Spirituality is without pretence.
The original meaning of Matyr is witness.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #2 - on: 26.08.2014 at 08:27 [UT+1] »Sayaro! You're back!
Aren't you still on your trip? You just couldn't stay away from the forums any longer, huh?
It's nice to see you again!
(Sorry for the interrupt - I couldn't resist. Back to the regularly scheduled programming).
Linda

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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #3 - on: 26.08.2014 at 08:34 [UT+1] »Mari,
I lived through those time periods, and I don't think it was the internet that caused the change. All the cultural
revolution going on with civic rights, women's rights, and the rock and roll, and drugs and free sex
counterculture of the 60s and 70s all combined to make these changes, in my opinion.
People's perception that life was no longer safe anymore (locking all house and car doors) I think came as aresult of every home having a television, and seeing all the violence portrayed there. People got scared,
thinking it could happen to them. Television made the world a much smaller, scarier and unsafe place.

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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #4 - on: 26.08.2014 at 08:34 [UT+1] »Quote from Lindac7 on 26.08.2014 at 08:27 [UT+1]:
Sayaro! You're back!
Aren't you still on your trip? You just couldn't stay away from the forums any longer, huh?

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It's nice to see you again!
(Sorry for the interrupt - I couldn't resist. Back to the regularly scheduled programming).
Linda

Im back from my trip cut short by circumstance that needs attention. The Heavens are pushing for a resolutionof Will that eludes my cognitive process.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #5 - on: 28.08.2014 at 01:05 [UT+1] »i understand what you are saying,
being a child of the early 50's.
i attribute it to the darkness before the dawn.
soon we will look back on this time and think" What WERE we thinking, look WHAT we did to each other,
To ourselves "i hope we awaken soon.
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MariBSageEx Member

Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #6 - on: 28.08.2014 at 04:21 [UT+1] »Thanksmaybe we grew up in a unique period. guess we lucky in this respect.
we have some great memories.
People today face some great challenges. World environment for just one. water, toxins, green house effect.
Actually, in 15 years, not enough resources for the human race.
Unless, we all ascend
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #7 - on: 28.08.2014 at 11:42 [UT+1] »Mari,
I think you're right - I sure think I grew up during a unique period. Born in 1957, the old 50s standards andexpectations were drummed into me as a child. Then the turmoil of the 60s and 70s came, and in 1975 when I
graduated from high school, things had changed considerably even up to that point.
The 60s and 70s brought laws regarding abortion (Roe v. Wade), sexual harassment in the workplace,affirmative action, and equal pay for equal work has supposedly been in effect since before that time. Women's
rights have increased, gay rights have increased, the institution of marriage has undergone intense scrutiny andupheaval, the corruption of big business has seen its day in court a few times, and ever since John F. Kennedy,
the U.S. Presidency has not been perceived the same way again. I remember watching the first Moon landing,Posts: 2029
Gender:and where I was (on the playground at recess) when JFK was assassinated.
Recreational drugs have become a way of life for a large portion of people, AIDS has killed thousands (and stillis), and the internet, cell phones, and satellites have taken over all communications. We now have color TVs
and microwaves everywhere we look. When I was a child, none of those things were common - in fact, they
were all unheard of during my childhood. Married people on TV slept in separate twin size beds back then, too.

We are now debating the merits of stem cell research, the efficacy of our food supply due to corrupt
government and FDA maneuvers, and gay marriage. Safe sex is now discussed openly on TV. We now have aserious problem with too many satellites circling the Earth, and global warming is slowly inching forward. The
U.S. is becoming the nation of the obese. A whole lot of change has happened in 56 years. It's a lot to watch
unfold in one lifetime. In many ways, life is not at all what it was like when I was a child.
Linda
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #8 - on: 28.08.2014 at 13:11 [UT+1] »Amen, to these comments. I was born in 51 and truthfully I don't even try to keep up with all the changes. I
think it is Pluto; each Pluto generation is sooo different. That and it is materialism and the quick fix. I
remember watching TV in the 60 and 70s where there were actual discussions of BOOKS and famous authors
were "rock stars". I don't own a smart phone and I don't want one; I don't want to be plugged in 24/7
We've all become so desensitized . Some of you are old enough to remember the movie, The Deer Hunter
with DeNiro, walken, and Streep. I remember being truly horrified with the Walken character playing Russianroulette . That scene stunned me. I watched the movie around 10 years ago on TV and didn't react to thehorror of it, I realized I had become desensitized. I don't have answers but I do know that "things" cannot fillup emptiness and meaninglessness.
Thanks for sharing bc sometimes I think I am alone with my thoughts about these things.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #9 - on: 28.08.2014 at 17:51 [UT+1] »Quote from daniel on 28.08.2014 at 01:05 [UT+1]:
i understand what you are saying,
being a child of the early 50's.
i attribute it to the darkness before the dawn.
soon we will look back on this time and think" What WERE we thinking, look WHAT we did to each other,
To ourselves "i hope we awaken soon.

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Gender:danielTHat's how I feel about it too.
We are learning to deal with information overload. Ever since print capitalism in the 1800's this increased at a
crazy rate. Especially over the past decades. Humankind finally sees what we are doing to eachother and toearth. Now we must learn to deal with it and to make it better without violence.
In my opinion this will take generations. But... There is a start. Even though it seems like life is dark theseyears. I do see small changes in individuals and especially children.
A problem is that there are so many technological advancements that people get scared of them. Give it 100
years and there won't be a person that was not born in this information overload period. We will learn to makebetter use of it. We will become smarter with it. I believe in progress.
THe world looks chaotic when you're in it, but it has a clear pattern. Just like an ants nest. It's just that mostpeople are incapable of looking at humankind in this way. Emotions, attachments and involvement.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #10 - on: 28.08.2014 at 18:28 [UT+1] »Edgar Cayce in his book stated toward the end there would be a time of those who will be Souless. This would
coincide with what he called the Race of Tan.

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MariBSageEx Member

Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #11 - on: 28.08.2014 at 18:32 [UT+1] »Quote from alice b on 28.08.2014 at 13:11 [UT+1]:
Amen, to these comments. I was born in 51 and truthfully I don't even try to keep up with all the changes. I think it is Pluto; each Pluto
generation is sooo different. That and it is materialism and the quick fix. I remember watching TV in the 60 and 70s where there wereactual discussions of BOOKS and famous authors were "rock stars". I don't own a smart phone and I don't want one; I don't want to beplugged in 24/7
We've all become so desensitized . Some of you are old enough to remember the movie, The Deer Hunter with DeNiro, walken, andStreep. I remember being truly horrified with the Walken character playing Russian roulette . That scene stunned me. I watched the movie
around 10 years ago on TV and didn't react to thehorror of it, I realized I had become desensitized. I don't have answers but I do know that "things" cannot fill up emptiness andmeaninglessness.
Thanks for sharing bc sometimes I think I am alone with my thoughts about these things.
alice bAgree, each pluto generation is so different.

Wow, it finally dawned. ELECTRICITY

The use of electricity is been a super steep incline since the way back. There is a LOT of people who areelectricity sensitive and do not know it. I am somewhat.
Your right, TV. Most have wide screens and at least 2 or 3 per household. This does not include PCs Cell
phones, microwaves, and all the connections to the home from the plants. First thing I noticed when I did elec.
for my home. new wires , new pole. underground. ANT colonies overnight. Ants thrive on an energy that is
not good for humans and most animals.

I was amazed at the very young people with cancer. 15, 19 , 22 under 30 at the hospital. all kinds.
Not saying just electricity, but the people there made me wonder.
I read once about this lady who become very sick, depressed and she took off to the wilderness with no electric.
She became better overnight. This is not an conclusive answer, as many factors could play into as Why she
became depressed. it was what she concluded.
Being Wired. we are becoming mutated for electricity.
yes, an unique period. the smells of the earth, air, trees, is what is so striking to me, how they are
disappearing.
right now, I am listening to crickets. I love hearing them. there not in the city.
crickets only in some places. so if you do not have them, it is just not the their environment.

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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #12 - on: 28.08.2014 at 23:20 [UT+1] »I realised a few days ago that the smell of pine trees and forests, the smell of the country is what i love themost.
I live in a city now.
I too wonder what is going on?
Where did our innocence and laughter go?
Now full with anxiety and panic attacks?
I agree that industrialization, electricity and the television set have altered our frequencies.
Now maybe we are just conductors for misplaced frequencies?
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #13 - on: 29.08.2014 at 07:42 [UT+1] »I actually studies this in anthropology. It's sort of where my astrology/spiritual journey began.
Print media was the first medium where people were notified of what was going on elsewhere. This is where thechange began. Being aware of the fact that there are things happening far away (relatively with the coming ofnews papers etcetera) instilled fear in people.
I always advice people not to watch the daily news. Instead you can use online media. There are just as many
good things going on as there are bad ones each day. It's just that the focus is always on the bad stuff. That's
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I choose to see the good side of things. I am convinced that when everyone would do that the world would
soon be at peace. But apparently that's too hard, even for most astrologers.

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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #14 - on: 29.08.2014 at 16:32 [UT+1] »Quote from DitisJenn on 29.08.2014 at 07:42 [UT+1]:
I actually studies this in anthropology. It's sort of where my astrology/spiritual journey began.
Print media was the first medium where people were notified of what was going on elsewhere. This is where the change began. Beingaware of the fact that there are things happening far away (relatively with the coming of news papers etcetera) instilled fear in people.
I always advice people not to watch the daily news. Instead you can use online media. There are just as many good things going on as
there are bad ones each day. It's just that the focus is always on the bad stuff. That's the brainwash machine of the current world.
I choose to see the good side of things. I am convinced that when everyone would do that the world would soon be at peace. But
apparently that's too hard, even for most astrologers.

I agree, I never watch the daily news,depressing. however, someone knows something and they talk. hard to
get away, unless you live in isolation. Yes, good things happening. but extinction of many species of animals,
birds, plants, trees, ecology. Where does this lead to? You cannot escape toxins of the earth.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #15 - on: 29.08.2014 at 16:39 [UT+1] »Quote from myrlock on 28.08.2014 at 23:20 [UT+1]:
I realised a few days ago that the smell of pine trees and forests, the smell of the country is what i love the most.
I live in a city now.
I too wonder what is going on?
Where did our innocence and laughter go?
Now full with anxiety and panic attacks?
I agree that industrialization, electricity and the television set have altered our frequencies.
Now maybe we are just conductors for misplaced frequencies?
Dust to dust

Recent studies have shown Nature helps PTSD people. there are programs for the military coming back home
to participate in nature settings.
The earth will change. just remember. at least you have been blessed to even know this, the beautiful earth. theearth changes every thousands of years or so. or maybe another galaxy out there. we have a twin earth
somewhere. who knows.
yea, panic attacks, anxiety the order of the day. I never heard of OCD, panic attacks 20 years ago. so manythings. the grip of fear.

I love laughter. too.

Misplaced frequencies, could believe that one. yea, Mrlock go to the dokotas. if you live US. wilderness there.
getting away from the city at times is great. I read this guy rode a mule beginning at the beach in NC, us andplanned to just go to Tenn,, but kept going and picked up donkey along the way. really funny read. inspiring.
horses, donkeys can go anywhere.

D b AND f NATURE. I SURE MANY DISAGREE.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #16 - on: 30.08.2014 at 08:39 [UT+1] »Quote from MariBSage on 26.08.2014 at 03:36 [UT+1]:
when in chemo, it rained and rained. cold. I became tired of music. afraid to go out much.
I kind of isolated myself on purpose. Flu bad that year.
I did memory lane from childhood as a hobby. or became something else. When I got to the eighties, I thought what changed. I asked
many people this same question. the majority say life did change. But why?
I can remember warm summer nights, no one asked if the door was locked.
the smells of earth, flowers, trees, seemed so inviting. No one locked car doors.
there was magic to go to school, Hey this school had a shooting.
no one cared what shoes you had. Now, kids are bullied.
playing seem normal. walking in the dark, hearing night sounds.
Wow, when did the kids become missing? gone.
so many thoughts, feelings. what happened? People say the internet. that is too easy of an answer. economy.
People did not act like this during the great depression and other times.

One friend I knew said, some are born with no souls.

or maybe the 50s 60s 70s an abnormal time period throughout history. I know some of you guys not born before the 80s, so bare withme. or you hear your parents talk. It really was a beautiful time period. some say, the media reports everything now and it did not
before. That is not true.
some blame women rights. some blame many things.

I did a chart.

J in hHI Mary, I often ask myself the same question about how things have changed. If you are close to me we had
JeqOcIg. We had ideals about how life could be after having grown up often without much in thematerial sense but LOTS in the way of freedom of movement and sense of adventure. K c indicating a lot of
us being wanderers/travellers at heart and with a sense of rebellion to change the status quo after Vietnam. I
think we could see but not prove that war was not the answer and in this process lost much of the 'innocence'of our early youth. Am not usre of the astro placements to indicate this other than the outer planet aspects
between uranus and pluto - the conjunction. I think we became more aware of the world around us with tv
starting to hipe up with news and advertising more and more - even in uk. I grew up without tv until I was 11
so my formative years were not influenced by it. With this thought maybe it was tv that happened. I canremember many early debates about the effects of tv on children and Im going back 45+years during my timein the Police Force when the drug scene was in its infancy at least in the uk. Entertainment became a 'given' formy age group - now late 60's and clothes and make up started to make themselves part of the look we werebeing fed by magazines particularly.
Its a good topic and one I hope may help revive a less selfish outlook on living.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #17 - on: 30.08.2014 at 11:33 [UT+1] »Quote from MariBSage on 29.08.2014 at 16:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from DitisJenn on 29.08.2014 at 07:42 [UT+1]:
I actually studies this in anthropology. It's sort of where my astrology/spiritual journey began.
Print media was the first medium where people were notified of what was going on elsewhere. This is where the changebegan. Being aware of the fact that there are things happening far away (relatively with the coming of news papers
etcetera) instilled fear in people.
I always advice people not to watch the daily news. Instead you can use online media. There are just as many good things
going on as there are bad ones each day. It's just that the focus is always on the bad stuff. That's the brainwash machine

Posts: 852
Gender:of the current world.
I choose to see the good side of things. I am convinced that when everyone would do that the world would soon be atpeace. But apparently that's too hard, even for most astrologers.

I agree, I never watch the daily news,depressing. however, someone knows something and they talk. hard to get away, unless you live inisolation. Yes, good things happening. but extinction of many species of animals, birds, plants, trees, ecology. Where does this lead to?
You cannot escape toxins of the earth.

True. You can't totally escape. I don't watch any news and still I know about stuff that is going on. It's just that
I don't attach to the habit of watching these things. In my life I try to do positive stuff, ofcourse it's not always
possible to avoid all negativity, bacause it is there and it's part of all of us.
I try to manifest positive things. So in my work I am manifesting a spiritual centre for people to come together,
do yoga, meditation, learn about energy and good food, discus things and focus on positive energy. Yes, we
still have to pay bills so we can't give our service away for free, which is what I would ultimately want. It's not
perfect, but it's a start. It's a start to stop watching the news, to remain detached when people speak of it, notto judge when people get emotionally involved in what the media are telling us. It's not easy, but it can be
done.
It's not ignorance when you try to practice it this way, it's a focus on something else. It hurts me that animals
go extinct, but what can I do about it now? Giving money to huge organisations won't help. I can't go and savethem myself. What I can do is try to get this energy I feel and see to more people, to make them aware andconscious where they are open. To be compassionate and loving even to the most brutal people and situations.
That I can do.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #18 - on: 31.08.2014 at 00:37 [UT+1] »Quote from sewit on 30.08.2014 at 08:39 [UT+1]:
Quote from MariBSage on 26.08.2014 at 03:36 [UT+1]:
when in chemo, it rained and rained. cold. I became tired of music. afraid to go out much.
I kind of isolated myself on purpose. Flu bad that year.
I did memory lane from childhood as a hobby. or became something else. When I got to the eighties, I thought whatchanged. I asked many people this same question. the majority say life did change. But why?
I can remember warm summer nights, no one asked if the door was locked.
the smells of earth, flowers, trees, seemed so inviting. No one locked car doors.
there was magic to go to school, Hey this school had a shooting.
no one cared what shoes you had. Now, kids are bullied.
playing seem normal. walking in the dark, hearing night sounds.
Wow, when did the kids become missing? gone.
so many thoughts, feelings. what happened? People say the internet. that is too easy of an answer. economy.
People did not act like this during the great depression and other times.

One friend I knew said, some are born with no souls.

or maybe the 50s 60s 70s an abnormal time period throughout history. I know some of you guys not born before the 80s,
so bare with me. or you hear your parents talk. It really was a beautiful time period. some say, the media reports
everything now and it did not before. That is not true.
some blame women rights. some blame many things.

I did a chart.

J in hHI Mary, I often ask myself the same question about how things have changed. If you are close to me we had

JeqOcIg. We had

ideals about how life could be after having grown up often without much in the material sense but LOTS in the way of freedom of
movement and sense of adventure.

K c indicating a lot of us being wanderers/travellers at heart and with a sense of rebellion to change

the status quo after Vietnam. I think we could see but not prove that war was not the answer and in this process lost much of the'innocence' of our early youth. Am not usre of the astro placements to indicate this other than the outer planet aspects between uranus
and pluto - the conjunction. I think we became more aware of the world around us with tv starting to hipe up with news and advertisingmore and more - even in uk. I grew up without tv until I was 11 so my formative years were not influenced by it. With this thoughtmaybe it was tv that happened. I can remember many early debates about the effects of tv on children and Im going back 45+years
during my time in the Police Force when the drug scene was in its infancy at least in the uk. Entertainment became a 'given' for my age
group - now late 60's and clothes and make up started to make themselves part of the look we were being fed by magazines particularly.
Its a good topic and one I hope may help revive a less selfish outlook on living.

Hi Sewit,
I am a eJ and Ig of course

O in dYou have K in Gemini, you are exhalted.
I not sure about much this to be honest Seweit. I think electricity, but then you say loss of innocence. There
have been many times in history one could state this. we have become to me not ignorant. However, this does
not account for the paranoia, mean people. LOL, you might have arrested me for pot in the 70s.
if we are not so ignorant, then why are we raping the earth at an incredible speed. guess these are mutequestions at times. redundant
I know you can remember people did not care if doors locked. Maybe it is a major shift in the comos in which
we glimpse at. I remember someone saying, "if you knew what God knew, you would go nuts." True.
It just makes me sad, my grand children will never know so many things we took for granted. clean water forjust one. clear skies, no smog. I could go on and on. . How does your descendants really even grasp it.how do many grasp it. But then where I am at, when Europeans came they slaughtered the forests and 3 years
later a massive flood.
I guess Earth heaven divine has cycles we do not comprehend.

We are here for just a short space in the realm of history. a blink of an eye. the physical body.
the spirit lives on. or soul.
we meet again in other places or not.
I did catch a conversation. a lady said, people have too much excessive energy. nowhere to go. people worked
hard physically. some still do.
like just walking to the mailbox. seems like nothing until you realize you have never noticed the surroundings
driving by. or expended energy. Energy trade offs.
who to say what the future is on this planet.

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MariBSage

Ex Member« Reply #19 - on: 31.08.2014 at 00:47 [UT+1] »Quote from DitisJenn on 30.08.2014 at 11:33 [UT+1]:
Quote from MariBSage on 29.08.2014 at 16:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from DitisJenn on 29.08.2014 at 07:42 [UT+1]:
I actually studies this in anthropology. It's sort of where my astrology/spiritual journey began.
Print media was the first medium where people were notified of what was going on elsewhere. This is where
the change began. Being aware of the fact that there are things happening far away (relatively with thecoming of news papers etcetera) instilled fear in people.
I always advice people not to watch the daily news. Instead you can use online media. There are just as
many good things going on as there are bad ones each day. It's just that the focus is always on the bad
stuff. That's the brainwash machine of the current world.
I choose to see the good side of things. I am convinced that when everyone would do that the world would
soon be at peace. But apparently that's too hard, even for most astrologers.

I agree, I never watch the daily news,depressing. however, someone knows something and they talk. hard to get away,
unless you live in isolation. Yes, good things happening. but extinction of many species of animals, birds, plants, trees,
ecology. Where does this lead to? You cannot escape toxins of the earth.

True. You can't totally escape. I don't watch any news and still I know about stuff that is going on. It's just that I don't attach to the habitof watching these things. In my life I try to do positive stuff, ofcourse it's not always possible to avoid all negativity, bacause it is there
and it's part of all of us.
I try to manifest positive things. So in my work I am manifesting a spiritual centre for people to come together, do yoga, meditation,
learn about energy and good food, discus things and focus on positive energy. Yes, we still have to pay bills so we can't give our service
away for free, which is what I would ultimately want. It's not perfect, but it's a start. It's a start to stop watching the news, to remain
detached when people speak of it, not to judge when people get emotionally involved in what the media are telling us. It's not easy, but it
can be done.
It's not ignorance when you try to practice it this way, it's a focus on something else. It hurts me that animals go extinct, but what can I
do about it now? Giving money to huge organisations won't help. I can't go and save them myself. What I can do is try to get this energy
I feel and see to more people, to make them aware and conscious where they are open. To be compassionate and loving even to the most
brutal people and situations. That I can do.

yes, agree compassion even to the most brutal. which is damn hard.
compassion with detachment..
anger at the world, people gets nowhere/
resentment is one nasty emotion. jealousy. I abhor these emotions.
Have a kDC
and some future time people the world is in balance.
but to get to peace, means strife first.

incredible changes in just 50 years. or the last 500.

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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #20 - on: 31.08.2014 at 03:12 [UT+1] »[quote author=MariBSage link=1409020574/0#18 date=1409441852][quote author=sewit
link=1409020574/0#16 date=1409384395]Quote from MariBSage on 26.08.2014 at 03:36 [UT+1]:
when in chemo, it rained and rained. cold. I became tired of music. afraid to go out much.

HI Mary, I often ask myself the same question about how things have changed. If you are close to me we had

JeqOcIg. We had

ideals about how life could be after having grown up often without much in the material sense but LOTS in the way of freedom of
movement and sense of adventure.

K c indicating a lot of us being wanderers/travellers at heart and with a sense of rebellion to change

the status quo after Vietnam. I think we could see but not prove that war was not the answer and in this process lost much of the'innocence' of our early youth. Am not usre of the astro placements to indicate this other than the outer planet aspects between uranus
and pluto - the conjunction. I think we became more aware of the world around us with tv starting to hipe up with news and advertisingmore and more - even in uk. I grew up without tv until I was 11 so my formative years were not influenced by it. With this thoughtmaybe it was tv that happened. I can remember many early debates about the effects of tv on children and Im going back 45+years
during my time in the Police Force when the drug scene was in its infancy at least in the uk. Entertainment became a 'given' for my age
group - now late 60's and clothes and make up started to make themselves part of the look we were being fed by magazines particularly.
Its a good topic and one I hope may help revive a less selfish outlook on living.

Hi Sewit,
I am a eJ and Ig of course

O in dYou have K in Gemini, you are exhalted.
I not sure about much this to be honest Sewit. I think electricity, but then you say loss of innocence. HI Mary,
with loss of innocence I say this in relation to the fact we as a generation had so much more information thanat any other time and I think the generations now that were born as the computer/mobile phone age took on
will also see or be the change in the future but in what form I cant predict. I saw the start of this in australia in
1985 when computer studies were introduced into universities, using basic, fortran and DOS which seem lightyears away now. O influence
There have been many times in history one could state this. we have become to me not ignorant. However, thisdoes not account for the paranoia, mean people. LOL, you might have arrested me for pot in the 70s. Me
personally no as I was always more of the belief that people need to make their own mistakes and was aware
even then how the whole drug trade was a money making venture whihc competed with the tobacco andalcohol companies who needed to protect their interests so by keeping it illegal was thought to keep thenumbers down- never made anhy sense to me.
if we are not so ignorant, then why are we raping the earth at an incredible speed. guess these are mutequestions at times. redundant Unfortunately I see this as a negative of the Pluto in Cancer generation who
experienced at least one world war sometimes two and the experience of lack that brought with them, hence
the 'need' for what they never had and the aquisitiveness and hoarding (protecting) what they see as theirs andoften wanting more ( the unlimited well) which can be a characteristic of cancer
I know you can remember people did not care if doors locked. Maybe it is a major shift in the comos in which
we glimpse at. I remember someone saying, "if you knew what God knew, you would go nuts." True.
It just makes me sad, my grand children will never know so many things we took for granted. clean water forjust one. clear skies, no smog. I could go on and on. . How does your descendants really even grasp it.how do many grasp it. But then where I am at, when Europeans came they slaughtered the forests and 3 years
later a massive flood.

We are here for just a short space in the realm of history. a blink of an eye. the physical body.
the spirit lives on. or soul.

I did catch a conversation. a lady said, people have too much excessive energy. nowhere to go. people worked
hard physically. some still do. Maybe this is also where there has been a marked drop in the teaching of creative
outlets in out education systems. I always amazed at people who say they are bored - I dont have enoughhours in the day to do, make, visit all that I want to and time is running out. I sincerely believe that creating
something to its completion,other than children although that to me could be the ultimate but it most times
isnt seen as such, is one of the most rewarding achievements one can have. Too much physical work just leaves
one physically tired and again IMO it is all a need for balance but maybe that is my IFg speaking. Withbalance we can achieve all we need.
like just walking to the mailbox. seems like nothing until you realize you have never noticed the surroundings
driving by. or expended energy. Energy trade offs. Yes our gen with the pos aspects from uranus,pluto andneptune are realising that things just don't 'DO IT' and this could be a lesson many could learn from Robin
Williams death. learning takes time
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #21 - on: 31.08.2014 at 03:32 [UT+1] »Balance, Sewit this seems to be cropping up.
Yes, I totally agree with creativity. this is a sad part. children are pushed to learn science math. computers,compete.
competition destroys creativity. The act of creativity is not so much the end, but becoming. there are results,
being creative gives one inner strength. anyone is creative
yes, the Jd generation drive me nuts. materialism. agree.

I was joking about the arrest. I wasn't much of a pot head. became boring.
yes, Learning takes time and this is the instant time generation. Rightnow.
some do learn overnight. However, many things. foresight, organization of your mind, emotions, feelings andconnecting with your soul are life time. A thread one keeps weaving.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #22 - on: 01.09.2014 at 08:02 [UT+1] »Well...life is change. The pace seems much faster now, but if you're comparing 1964 to 2014, also think about
how different 1964 was from 1914. Worlds of difference.
I find it interesting that people older than me (I was born at the end of the 60s) see the 70s/80s as the time ofa shift. Not just in this thread of discussion, but in general. If I were to think of when things changed, I'd saylate 90s/early 2000s, but I'm thinking in terms of how life started to change due to technology. Then I haveyounger friends, born in the 80s and even 90s, who think the world of the 1990s was safe and bucolic. It's
perspective. Your childhood always seems a bit more magical, a bit more innocent, unless you've had a terrible
experience. Most of us are lucky enough to engage in nostalgia.
But there are a lot of people for whom the 50s, for example, weren't so great. Black people living in the
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Gender:American south (or really, anywhere in the US). Gay people. These were not idyllic times for them, but painful
periods in history. For some at least, the present may seem much better (though obviously I'm not suggesting
things are great for them or anyone else now, as the news this summer has illustrated). There was a war in
Korea, polio, the threat of nuclear annihilation, the cold war, assassinations, Vietnam, etc. Someone inelementary school in this period may not have thought much was happening in the world, but for adults, they
likely thought the world as they knew it was ready to crash down at any moment. I'm only using examples fromthe US- other countries had their own problems. The "loss of innocence" that someone described...it happens
to every generation. I have kids who are 11 and 13. I can see them becoming more aware of problems in theworld and I don't shield them from everything, but I still bet that in a few years, they're going to be talking
about how uncomplicated life was in the 2000s and early 2010s, because for them, it was.
While I think it's valid to look at the present and think about how can we make it better, it's good to keep inmind that the past has more than its share of horrors. Maybe just to keep some perspective and not despair.

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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #23 - on: 01.09.2014 at 10:41 [UT+1] »Calla,
To some degree I think you're right about the time we were born and our perspective of innocence in childhood
before reaching adulthood.
However, I still believe the 60s and 70s were particularly times of big changes and upheaval, especially on thepolitical and civil fronts, as well as music and technology. Drugs (particularly LSD), rock and roll, the sexual
revolution, the women's movement, abortion law (Roe v. Wade, 1973), The Beatles, Elvis, Alice Cooper, heavy
metal, psychedelic rock, Dr. Martin Luther King, JFK's assassination, affirmative action laws at work places,
Vietnam, Watergate and Nixon's impeachment, television in general, and color television in particular. All ofPosts: 2029
Gender:this upheaval was happening during those 2 decades.
The countertop microwave oven was first introduced in 1967, personal computers were first introduced in 1960,
BASIC programming language was developed in 1964, the system of keyboard, mouse, and windows wasintroduced in 1968 along with word processing and a hypertext system, and in 1974 Intel released the 2 MHz
8080 processor, capable of handling 64 kB of memory. In 1975, Bill Gates and Paul Allen founded Microsoft,
and in 1976, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak founded Apple.
Motorola was the first company to produce a handheld mobile phone, and the first mobile telephone call was
made in 1973. Of course, many changes and iterations have taken place since then, with some of the big
technological changes taking place in the early 90s (I worked in the IT department of Nextel at the time), but
the technology was first viable in the 70s.
All these things were happening during my childhood, which ended in 1975 when I graduated from high school.
I can't say that my childhood was innocent, because I was aware of almost all of this stuff as it was happening.
One of my first jobs at 14 except for babysitting was typing on what was then called a typesetter for anewspaper publications company. Word processing as we know it today was under development at the time,
but it went through a lot of iterations by Wordstar, Wang, Xerox, IBM, CPT, WordPerfect, etc. (I've used all ofthem) before Microsoft wiped them all off the face of the landscape (not because it was the best technology,
mind you - it was all due to Bill Gates's devious/brilliant market strategy). Don't get me started on that
subject.
We all know he's a Scorpio, right?
My point is, all this stuff first got into the hands of us, the consumers, during those 2 decades, notwithstanding
all the evolutionary changes that have happened since. I would say that cell phones and PCs (regardless of typeor iteration) are the 2 biggest culprits of technology responsible for creating daily stress for most of us today.
One last point, and I'll stop - kids today have X Boxes, iPods and all kinds of similar technology which in theirearly, 'innocent' years of childhood are simply the norm for them, as well as PCs in schools, and personal cell
phones. To me, that makes their childhoods not quite as innocent as mine was, not to mention their ability toaccidentally be exposed to porn while on a PC or cell phone (or some TVs if the parents have not installed adevice blocking their children's access). This was not possible during my childhood.
Technology is wonderful for the most part, but it has its downsides, as we all know.
Linda

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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #24 - on: 01.09.2014 at 13:24 [UT+1] »[quote author=Lindac7 link=1409020574/20#23 date=1409564515]Calla,
To some degree I think you're right about the time we were born and our perspective of innocence in childhood
before reaching adulthood.
However, I still believe the 60s and 70s were particularly times of big changes and upheaval, especially on thepolitical and civil fronts, as well as music and technology. Drugs (particularly LSD), rock and roll, the sexual
revolution, the women's movement, abortion law (Roe v. Wade, 1973), The Beatles, Elvis, Alice Cooper, heavy
metal, psychedelic rock, Dr. Martin Luther King, JFK's assassination, affirmative action laws at work places,
Vietnam, Watergate and Nixon's impeachment, television in general, and color television in particular. All of
this upheaval was happening during those 2 decades.
The countertop microwave oven was first introduced in 1967, personal computers were first introduced in 1960,
BASIC programming language was developed in 1964, the system of keyboard, mouse, and windows wasintroduced in 1968 along with word processing and a hypertext system, and in 1974 Intel released the 2 MHz
8080 processor, capable of handling 64 kB of memory. In 1975, Bill Gates and Paul Allen founded Microsoft,
and in 1976, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak founded Apple.
Motorola was the first company to produce a handheld mobile phone, and the first mobile telephone call was
made in 1973. Of course, many changes and iterations have taken place since then, with some of the big
technological changes taking place in the early 90s (I worked in the IT department of Nextel at the time), but
the technology was first viable in the 70s.
All these things were happening during my childhood, which ended in 1975 when I graduated from high school.
I can't say that my childhood was innocent, because I was aware of almost all of this stuff as it was happening.
One of my first jobs at 14 except for babysitting was typing on what was then called a typesetter for anewspaper publications company. Word processing as we know it today was under development at the time,
but it went through a lot of iterations by Wordstar, Wang, Xerox, IBM, CPT, WordPerfect, etc. (I've used all ofthem) before Microsoft wiped them all off the face of the landscape (not because it was the best technology,
mind you - it was all due to Bill Gates's devious/brilliant market strategy). Don't get me started on that
subject.
We all know he's a Scorpio, right?

In many way i hear what you have said but I still think and it may be my age showing that children who do not
go out and play in fresh air voluntarily rather than regulated sport, miss out on social skills and my thoughts
are that we have yet to see the outcome of this. I know each gen has it's pros and cons but some things I feelare basic to human development and we are now seeing a rise in " life coaches" and gurus making a motza
telling people how to get their lives into balance.
'Nuff said I want to live long enough to see how it all pans out in say another 25 years/
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #25 - on: 01.09.2014 at 23:56 [UT+1] »Thanks Sewitt for the information. Your right.
about children and play, fresh air.
However, another culprit is this: SUGAR which is very addictive and causes the candida strain in your stomach
to grow and multiply, literally taking over your body. weight gain, fatigue, depression, irritibility.
It is hidden in most foods.
huge manufacturers of our food supply hid results of how this destroys the body. been going on since the 50s
and increasing over the years.
Obesity, in America has been growing at alarming rate because basically people cannot digest their food.
People need probiotics. or all natural foods.
here is another strange or horrible result. One gets depressed goes to the doctor. given anti depressants, theirstomach flora is highly disturbed more depression, whatever, and given another med. When in actuality theirstomach flora is totally messed up. Incidentally, your stomach is your biggest immune system.
when your stomach flora messed up, you cannot digest good vitamins, many good things.
Maybe why so many ADD kids.
crazy people. Heart attacks began in the 50s and has risen sharply.
anxiety levels
so throw this in with electrical disturbances , crazy people. stressed people.

Much is hidden from the public.
why things changed in 80s refined sugars well into all foods. posing as low fat and everything else. then othertoxins in food. water.
NOISE POLLUTION
air polluction
food additives
electrical disturbances and god knows what else. SICK PEOPLE as an result, by the eighties nineties majority ofpeople sick physically or emotionally.
pluto was in Gemini I believe when refined sugars began. it is outlawed in Mexico now because addictive as
cocaine.

It can all be changed
Seems much is HIDDEN. in the name of money
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #26 - on: 02.09.2014 at 00:36 [UT+1] »However, I still believe the 60s and 70s were particularly times of big changes and upheaval, especially on
the political and civil fronts, as well as music and technology. Drugs (particularly LSD), rock and roll, thesexual revolution, the women's movement, abortion law (Roe v. Wade, 1973), The Beatles, Elvis, Alice
Cooper, heavy metal, psychedelic rock, Dr. Martin Luther King, JFK's assassination, affirmative action laws at
work places, Vietnam, Watergate and Nixon's impeachment, television in general, and color television inparticular. All of this upheaval was happening during those 2 decades.

thanks Sewit

yes, it was introduced. the door opened wide, but what actually came through. ? great technology. a mixed
bag like everything else.
though, I think some of the best music came about then.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #27 - on: 02.09.2014 at 01:24 [UT+1] »Quote from MariBSage on 02.09.2014 at 00:36 [UT+1]:
However, I still believe the 60s and 70s were particularly times of big changes and upheaval,
especially on the political and civil fronts, as well as music and technology. Drugs (particularly
LSD), rock and roll, the sexual revolution, the women's movement, abortion law (Roe v. Wade,1973), The Beatles, Elvis, Alice Cooper, heavy metal, psychedelic rock, Dr. Martin Luther King,
JFK's assassination, affirmative action laws at work places, Vietnam, Watergate and Nixon's
impeachment, television in general, and color television in particular. All of this upheaval was
happening during those 2 decades.
thanks Sewit

yes, it was introduced. the door opened wide, but what actually came through. ? great technology. a mixed bag like everything else.
though, I think some of the best music came about then.

Hi MAry, The highighted part was Linda's . Something went amiss as I replied to Linda's post.
As for sugar, I have battled for some time now to overcome a real sugar addiction be it biccies, chocolate,anything sweet not for weight problems but for general health. Grew some frit and vegs last year and tasted
much better than shop bought refrigerated goods. Despite efforts to eat well, the craving still happens and it
really takes some willpower to slow it down. Had none untilI was about 5-6 with rationing after war but all
through high school spent dinner money on sweets hence not good teeth now? and I discovered 40 years ago
Mars bars send me through the roof!!crazy. Im hopingmore will be revealed as I transits pisces.
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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #28 - on: 02.09.2014 at 01:49 [UT+1] »hey Sewit, dont know what happened. sorry LindaC. I believe I need to stick with just responding to threads.

anyway, Sewit get probiotics as this will eventually stop sugar cravings. Candia is stomach flora and refinedsugar feeds it. Then the good bacteria is less and less. Seriously. You need the good stomach bacteria or flora
as I call it. Candias is in your stomach, but it over rides the other good bacteria in your stomach. My stomach
was killing me until I took probiotics.
without good bacteria in your stomach, a host of problems. obesity, low immune system, irritability. sleep
problems.
refined sugar produces toxins in your system. no one ate refined sugar much until the last 30 years. soft drinks.
you name it.
the good bacteria in your stomach will stop sugar cravings, eventually and give one energy.

sorry about the mis text. I am brain dead at times.
However, I ferret out the truth when something bothers me.

You can say electrical, sugar, causes everything TV but then not. It is difficult with finding cause and effect withdifferent problems ranging from emotional to physical. society problems. And Linda, the 60s 70s did
introduce many new ideas that changed us all. I do not think kids can handle cell phones well. all of it. PCs.
some adults AS WELL.
Neptune in Pisces, will we be illuminated or disillusioned

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Re: been trying to figure this out« Reply #29 - on: 02.09.2014 at 04:47 [UT+1] »enough of this. I record crickets and music just with my hands. flute sounding.
Back in the Day. we all sing this tune and think we are different.
not really, the world never changes,
we just dress up differently, new faces
just a different perspective. can you imagine, the 1400's. and we are moaning.
The world, nature, people beautiful, how you view it.
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