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Alvaro Fdez
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Re-question about Nine Persona Charts technique« on: 19.07.2009 at 23:31 [UT+1] »Hello all,I've asked previously but received none responses; so I give a try once more.
Have any of you worked with the Nine Persona Charts? does anybody actually used this chart and afterwards
computed transits over each "Persona"?
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #1 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:04 [UT+1] »This is from astro:

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The following recommendations are simply suggestions which need to be tested, and which are meant to help
you to explore unknown territory: your own inner world.
1) The most important unconscious personality is the ruler of the first house of the birth chart. If you have, forexample, a libra ascendant, the main thing is to explore your Venus persona chart. There's always a good
surprise in the persona chart of the ruler of the ascendant.
2) The persona chart of the Moon informs you about the energies of the feminine side of your psyche. Just likethe birth horoscope can be called the yang horoscope, we describe the Moon persona chart as the yin
horoscope, its female counterpart. To access and understand her, you have to look at feelings buried deep
inside.
3) The ascendant of a persona chart shows the deepest sphere of the unconscious which has to be found andunderstood by this personality. The ascendant of an unconscious inner personality also shows the forces whichwant to come to light, and which want to make their way to the surface with a great boost.
4) A persona chart's Sun is always considered the ego of this inner personality. But not THE ego! Saturn, forexample, possesses an ego, a will to realise itself which speaks the words "I want ...". Part of this persona chartego is known from the birth chart, because the Sun of the persona chart always occupies the place which is heldby the planet itself in the birth chart. However, the house placing of this persona ego is completely unknown.
Just for the sake of finding out the house placing of the persona ego within its own chart, creating a persona
chart makes sense. Not only does it tell us how this personality articulates itself, but also where it does so, i.e.
in which sphere of life.
5) The midheaven of a persona chart shows which fate the individual personalities encounter here on earth. It is
the quintessence of the path which leads from the "unconscious" (ascendant) to the "light of consciousness"(midheaven). Whether this path is followed to the very end by the individual cannot be known. Whether theinner personalities come to consciousness, appears to depend on the intensity of the effort put into theventure, and on individual achievement.
It seems to us that a human who has integrated all inner personalities into full consciousness would havefinished his way here on earth. We might deduce a law from this: Each inner personality I have found, renders
my world poorer by one person. If the world outside does not owe me any more (inner) personalities, it may
well be that it has fulfilled its function and may I leave.
I have a question then. My rising is Leo, so the ruler is the sun, so I don't have a persona chart for my natal
chart ruler. So what does that mean?
Oh, and here are my personas:

Interesting that the MC for my Moon, Mercury and Venus charts are all ruled by their respective planets.
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #2 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:09 [UT+1] »Also, from astro:

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Personality 1: "The warrior"
If I want to know more about the strength of my warrior, or my capability to assert myself in the world
aggressively, about my way of fighting, whether I am a coward or a hero, what I find worth fighting for and by
what means - I look at my Mars persona chart.
Personality 2: "The beauty"
If I want to know more about my security or insecurities, my values and self-worth, my sensuality, my sexualdesire and my general capability to enjoy - I look at my Venus persona chart.
Personality 3: "The intellectual"
If I want to know more about my flexibility, about my (verbal and mimic) interaction with the outer world,
about my way of functioning, my communicative competence, my intelligence - I look at my Mercury personachart.
Personality 4: "The mother" ("The little child")
If I want to know more about my femininity, my feelings, my inner child and my feeling of security andcomfort, i.e. the feminine part of my psyche - I look at my Moon persona chart. We consider this persona chart(beside the birth chart) the most important instrument for exploring a person's inner world.
Personality 5: "The hero" ("The father")If I want to know more about my vitality, my Ego, the life force inside me - I need to look at my Sun persona
chart. But, in fact, I have got it already, as it is my birth horoscope!
Personality 6: "Reason" ("The reprimanding person")If I want to know more about my way of dealing with the necessities and constraints of life, about thecircumstances I have to adapt to, and about the things I have to accept - I look at my Mercury persona chart(which is identical with the persona chart of person 3).
Personality 7: "The other"If I want to know more about my relationship with other people, with partners, and with the world - I must
look at my Venus persona chart (the same as for person 2).
Personality 8: "The fanatic"
If I want to know more about the way I can deal with the demonic, with the god of the underworld, with theforces which want to prevent me from living - I must look at my Pluto persona chart.
Personality 9: "The philosopher"
If I want to know more about the meaningfulness of my life, about the therapist inside me, about the role"religio" plays in my life - I take a look at my Jupiter persona chart.
Personality 10: "The old man or woman" ("The guardian of the law")
If I want to know more about "law", about my higher calling, my vocation or about the truths fate wants toteach me (which I do not want to learn) - I look at my Saturn persona chart.
Personality 11: "The liberator"
If I want to know more about the area of my life in which I must free myself from ties, about my way ofrealising liberty and independence - I look at my Uranus persona chart.
Personality 12: "The master"
If I want to know more about the transition from lie to truth, about the world of "maya", of illusion, and about
how to transcend illusion to get to the world behind the world - I look at my Neptune persona chart.

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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #3 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:12 [UT+1] »At last!

Hi Aqualex.

Post mine too .
Great you go into this also. Tell me, have you actually done transit charts on each of your own persona?
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Chartstechniqu« Reply #4 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:17 [UT+1] »I haven't done much work with these. I remember looking at them a couple years ago and found theminteresting.

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I'm a bit tickled that Venus and the Sun switch places in essentially the exact same chart when you compare myVenus Persona and my Natal . . . I used to hate having Venus in Cap in the 6th (Retrograde). I'm a bit of asocial retard at times, but I'm very creative and I love my Venusian activities (sex/food/shopping5 eclipse will hit both my Venus and Natal chart.

) The AugThe Saturn one intrigued me because the current Saturn/Uranus opposition is happening along the MC/IC axisof that chart.
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #5 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:19 [UT+1] »Alvaro, looks like a couple of your charts got affected by the July 7 eclipse.

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Alvaro Fdez
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #6 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:27 [UT+1] »Yes. Is is bad? could you please explain the eclipse thing?
I worked since 6 years studying transits based on this charts. Of all ninth personas, Venus, Mars, Neptune,
Saturn and Uranus transit chart' outcomes fits exactly with internal issues related to these "actors". They werealmost as a "microscope" to me, relating to the Sun chart. The other ones.. I really don't get on them.
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #7 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:30 [UT+1] »I'm trying to figure out eclipses myself, but a lunar one is like a full moon, while a solar one is like a new moon.
Your mercury chart had the MC/IC axis triggered by the eclipse, so perhaps there is something to do with
communication, learning, thinking that will be changing for you?
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Alvaro Fdez
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #8 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:44 [UT+1] »I don't know really. What striked to me is that these persona Mercury, even after all this time verifying thischarts, I don't recognize him via transits or even planet positions.
The only point I sychologically can recognize in him is the placement of Saturn and the nodes, but ... I don'tknow, is it almost as if this Mercury persona where disconnected. Another person.
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #9 - on: 20.07.2009 at 21:54 [UT+1] »Perhaps it's because Mercury is conjunct the MC of that chart? Maybe you have a very realized Mercury?

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Alvaro Fdez

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Ex Membertechniqu« Reply #10 - on: 20.07.2009 at 22:01 [UT+1] »But he is receiving bad aspect from the 7th Aries Saturn in there. Maybe karmic issues of violence and the like I guess - which are somehow impeding this particular area.
I will see it again based on your thoughts.
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Membertechniqu« Reply #11 - on: 20.07.2009 at 22:13 [UT+1] »Or perhaps you need to work out that square between Saturn and Mercury in order to realize your Mercury?

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Alvaro Fdez
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Re: Re-question about Nine Persona Charts
techniqu« Reply #12 - on: 20.07.2009 at 22:33 [UT+1] »Yes. Maybe make effort to know what was wrong; why this Saturn born in this position dominating the rest ofthe chart. What I've done or what I'm doing with this Mercury and I'm not seeing by myself until now.
Thank you AquaLex
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