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SpiritedMetalHorse They seemed to know what they were doing.
Member« on: 18.01.2021 at 21:11 [UT] »When they assigned symbolism to the zodiac signs.
I mean the cow which is the female version of the Bull is very Taurean.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/kzzt3f/turns_out_cows_like_music/

As a person who has no access to these animals on a day to day... what a beautiful animal.
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« Reply #1 - on: 18.01.2021 at 23:58 [UT] »LOL....well, the cow may be the female of the species, but it's the BULL that is a VERY ancient sign of universal
power.
It was worshiped in more than one religion & mythology in the past.
(although of course the ''cow'', being the ''milk giver'' has also been worshiped.)
Posts: 17033'' In the Sumerian religion, Marduk is the "bull of Utu". In Hinduism, Shiva's steed is Nandi, the Bull. The
sacred bull survives in the constellation Taurus. The bull, whether lunar as in Mesopotamia or solar as in India,
is the subject of various other cultural and religious incarnations as well as modern mentions in New Age
cultures.''
From Wikipedia(see "Bull" in myth and/or religion)
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« Reply #2 - on: 19.01.2021 at 02:14 [UT] »b the Bull is one of the most beautiful constellations in the night sky.
Easy to find too, just beside the three bright stars in Orion’s Belt
With fiery Aldebaran in his eye, the lovely Pleiades on his shoulder

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« Reply #3 - on: 19.01.2021 at 04:32 [UT] »Thanks for great photos, herenow!

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« Reply #4 - on: 25.01.2021 at 15:35 [UT] »Quote from SpiritedMetalHorse on 18.01.2021 at 21:11 [UT]:When they assigned symbolism to the zodiac signs.
I mean the cow which is the female version of the Bull is very Taurean.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/kzzt3f/turns_out_cows_like_music/

As a person who has no access to these animals on a day to day... what a beautiful animal.

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until they step of your feet...

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SpiritedMetalHorse

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« Reply #5 - on: 25.01.2021 at 15:44 [UT] »Quote from daniel on 25.01.2021 at 15:35 [UT]:
Quote from SpiritedMetalHorse on 18.01.2021 at 21:11 [UT]:When they assigned symbolism to the zodiac signs.
I mean the cow which is the female version of the Bull is very Taurean.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/kzzt3f/turns_out_cows_like_music/

As a person who has no access to these animals on a day to day... what a beautiful animal.

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until they step of your feet...

True, they be heavy animals!
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« Reply #6 - on: 25.01.2021 at 20:54 [UT] »So apparently, in ancient matriarchal times the symbol for Taurus was indeed a Holy Cow! Hathor, primordial
Egyptian goddess of motherhood, abundance, joy, music — all the good things in life.
And that’s no Bull🙂

Her headdress of cow’s horns holds the Moon, symbol of fertility (ie women’s monthly cycles). Her planet is
Venus.
Today, she has her own asteroid #2340.
https://mysticmedusa.com/2018/05/holy-cow-the-astrology-of-asteroid-hathor/
https://mysticmedusa.com/2009/08/taurus-the-holy-celestial-cow/

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« Reply #7 - on: 26.01.2021 at 18:27 [UT] »Quote from HereNow on 25.01.2021 at 20:54 [UT]:
So apparently, in ancient matriarchal times the symbol for Taurus was indeed a Holy Cow! Hathor, primordial Egyptian goddess ofmotherhood, abundance, joy, music — all the good things in life.
And that’s no Bull🙂

Her headdress of cow’s horns holds the Moon, symbol of fertility (ie women’s monthly cycles). Her planet is Venus.
Today, she has her own asteroid #2340.
https://mysticmedusa.com/2018/05/holy-cow-the-astrology-of-asteroid-hathor/

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https://mysticmedusa.com/2009/08/taurus-the-holy-celestial-cow/
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Thank you for sharing!
It never made any logical sense to me that Taurus is a male Bull in symbolism yet is a feminine sign.
This makes a lot more sense now!

"In recent years, the theory of matriarchal cultures existing in profusion before 3,000 B.C.E. has taken root andbring into question the interpretation of Hathor as only wife or only mother. Hathor wears the head-dress of 18
serpents (traditionally associated with wisdom and women), the cows horns (horns were associated with the
crescent moon and thus, a woman’s menstrual cycles). Hathor may have, quite possibly, been the original
Mother God of the Egyptian citizens….”"

Explains more the reason why the Moon exalts in Taurus. Earth's mother and actually much more linked toCeres than Virgo is.

And as the comment section, you are a cow? try being a disease LOL!
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SpiritedMetalHorse Re: They seemed to know what they were doing.
Member« Reply #8 - on: 26.01.2021 at 18:53 [UT] »Pluto, Ceres & Eris.
Who rules Eris?
Ceres and Pluto are linked and it makes far better sense that Ceres is in fact Taurus, the mother.
The creator.
Pluto is a destroyer, even in myth this makes more sense.
They are opposites and they enact a mythological story telling which fits these two zodiac signs.
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Ceres & Persephone cannot be Virgo, that's two separate entities in a story. Persephone has no ruler.
Persephone is currently in Cancer which is 0 degree conjunct my own Sun... whatever that means.
https://astrologyking.com/algol-star/"Being brought up by a narcissistic mother can force the young scapegoat Eris/Persephone to become
Machiavellian, just in order to survive. Eris can feel so unloved that she resorts to manipulation in order to gain
the love that she does not believe will be given unconditionally. I will go into this much deeper in the Eris post
once I rewrite it. But there are overlaps between innocent Ceres as Kore and Persephone as Eris. The way out of
this character malfunction (as a result of Negative Ceres’ emotional abandonment), often does come in the
shape of an abduction by Pluto. This forces Persephone to see her dark side and accept that she has indeed
been abused by her own parent(s). In this way she goes through the dark night of the soul and starts to remember her shattered ego. Her journey to the underworld and back shows this transformation."

That links too much to my own reality.
https://darkstarastrology.com/ceres-planet/ Website dedicated to the shadow side of all things
astrological.

"Opium poppies are associated with Ceres as Persephone was said to be picking them in a field when she was‘raped’. Their blood red stains in the blazing field of gold signify the breaking of the hymen during the first actof sex, but they are also the start of menstruation for the blossoming young woman. We have to look at themyth in context with the times.
In ancient Greece, sometimes when a couple wanted to marry, but the parents wouldn’t allow it, the suitor
would ‘kidnap’ his beloved and they would spend the night out in the country somewhere. After that it was
assumed the virgin had been deflowered and they would now have to marry in order to save the girls honor."

We treat Cows the same in real life, cut up to be eaten, blood is spilled so Earth can be fed, nurtured.
We also milk them, we also milk the Earth of what it has and destroy it, it's actually all normal and a natural
cycle.
The personalization though is based on social constructs which favor humans being far more cooperative with
one another and amiable, this is why the dark side of it is a dark side.
Yes we do have some nazi like propaganda about us hurting innocent animals, but it plays out exactly how themyth does too.
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« Reply #9 - on: 27.01.2021 at 01:31 [UT] »Yes....I think humanity lost something very precious when most societies became patriarchal and left thegoddess behind.
Of course we always have the mother of Jesus....and she is probably the most powerful woman in the world Posts: 17033

symbolically.
But....it really means the the fertility of the earth and rain takes a back seat the the aridity of the Sun and Air.
Logically, they should be absolutely equal in myth as they absolutely cannot live separate from each other....orrather WE could not live without all of them.
But when was ''mankind'' logical? Only about money....and sometimes not even then.
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SpiritedMetalHorse Re: They seemed to know what they were doing.
Member« Reply #10 - on: 27.01.2021 at 07:37 [UT] »Quote from Linda Harris on 27.01.2021 at 01:31 [UT]:
Yes....I think humanity lost something very precious when most societies became patriarchal and left the goddess behind.
Of course we always have the mother of Jesus....and she is probably the most powerful woman in the world - symbolically.
But....it really means the the fertility of the earth and rain takes a back seat the the aridity of the Sun and Air.
Logically, they should be absolutely equal in myth as they absolutely cannot live separate from each other....or rather WE could not live
without all of them.
But when was ''mankind'' logical? Only about money....and sometimes not even then.

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LainieVery true Linda, all of life is linked to one another, squares and all aspects are for a purpose.
https://www.pandoraastrology.com/ceres-rules-taurus/"Ceres as ruler of Taurus
Ceres is very comfortable in Taurus and Taurus gives Ceres a lot of scope. In this Fixed, Earthy sign, Ceres canfully express her sensual, sensory nature. A well-expressed Ceres leads to the experience of living in the lap of awarm and loving Mother Nature. Ceres in Taurus yields a broad range of experiences from abundance to scarcity(summer to winter, harvest to lean) and assists the native who has this placement to develop what I call“havingness,” which is your capacity to receive, accept, have and make your own. A person with high havingness
is able to receive the abundance of the universe; a person with low havingness cannot hold onto wealth, evenwhen it is freely given to them. Ceres enjoys wealth-building, in a slow way that allows you to fully “own” and“have” what you accumulate. Ceres at her best can be described as a feeling of endless summer, when the fruit
drops from the trees right into your hand, ripe, luscious and ready for consumption."
https://escrita.blogspot.com/2014/01/ceres-ruled-by-taurus.html

Ask a Taurean if they fit Venus, or if they fit Ceres, ask them to dig deep within themselves and take anobjective look.
I personally have it in Leo conjunct Mercury on my descendant and it squares Taurus Moon & Mars, aninteresting configuration.
I think it opens up a much more robust and logical view of rulership, Taurus is not Venusian, I am not
Venusian, if I want to keep something stable I will fight for it, if something is worth having, I will fight for it,
Mars in Taurus is not in detriment, it never was, slow yes, controlled, can be, but not when there is a fight to behad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrvojKJR1oY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pBHWkPDc4
Every Taurus Mars I have known is no slouch in work, is no slouch in a fight and often can reign total champion
for years as they keep their reasons for the fight.
The Bull is real and is the male version, bigger, stronger, faster and volatile.
Famous Taurus Mars individuals.
1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFhIQ-XEeac
2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRnErsRxgn8
3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXt8rU97NMQ
4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hTM_HA0EAw
5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-YJgT0EQ0"As she stalked the room
I could feel the aura of her presence
Every head turned feeling passion and lust
The girl was persuasive
The girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous
I never knew but I was walking the line
Come go with me
I said I have no timeAnd don't you pretend we didn't talk on the phone
My baby cried
She left me standing alone
She's so dangerous
The girl is so dangerous
Take away my money
Throw away my time
You can call me "honey"
But you're no damn good for me
She came at me in sections with the eyes of desire
I fell trapped into her web of sin
A touch, a kiss, a whisper of love
I was at the point of no return"6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCDcnOWftx0

Mother nature can never be beaten, mother nature makes this whole thing go around. You can take from, but
she reigns supreme in her own power to create and nurture and keep things stable in a balance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ102k8W7ok

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« Reply #11 - on: 27.01.2021 at 08:56 [UT] »Looking at how humans treat bulls, let us look at what rules the Sun, Leo, exalted in Aries, both are ego.
Watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVrFxo8jUxg
Clapping that a human was lucky enough to out pace the bull, in some ways, although to us humans this looks
like a disgusting act of cruelty... depends which way you bend it and to what ideals, the Bull is being
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worshipped for it's immense strength and capacity to ultimately land a blow that will kill in an instant, notmuch different to Scorpio in a sense.

Money can be made from the Bull, really though the thing you are seeing is deep seated narcissism in humans,
taking advantage of something, the true animal is the human, Pluto wants power, it wants to be above but notenough to be in the Sun's territory, so arguments were made in a lot of direction to confuse and deceive.
Regardless of the outcome, the Bull is worshipped even today.
The western world is mostly detached as we are fully enriched into the material world in a different way, insteadof us worshipping a Bull, we mostly rip each other apart from the inside which is also narcissistic. The underdog
or true victim will lash out, they will be condemned, but also worshipped, as Hitler is, you all worship him
regardless of if you see him as bad or any other moral compass you wish to use, you do so by keeping his
name alive.
You can take but can never kill mother nature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Narcissism
What do you think will destroy narcissism? Pluto himself, self destruction.
Taurus can react and become it, mirroring the technique or ground into the common senses and also the ability
for rational thinking.
Or they can do nothing and sit silently as Pluto loses all control.
The more control and power Pluto thinks he has, the more he is likely to self destruct.
The more Taurus loses what they have, the more likely they are to become their darker self.
Higher expressions from Pluto & Ceres is learning what they already have, Scorpio's immense ability totransform and die a thousand deaths to reach their peak. - Pluto is powerful.
Taurus's ability to withstand anything and still come out on top. -Ceres is powerful.
Spiritual / Material.

Taurus is the underdog by being unassuming, Leo takes the spotlight more often than not, Scorpio locks in an
intense battle until the end vs Leo and neither can really win this battle, Leo pushes Scorpio's Venom to thesurface where everyone can see who they really are and with style and flair. Aquarius is too detached to hear
either of Taurus or Scorpio's much, much deeper sight of things.
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« Reply #12 - on: 27.01.2021 at 11:16 [UT] »Wow, Metal.
I love discussions about Ceres ruling Taurus. Thanks for this.

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« Reply #13 - on: 27.01.2021 at 13:33 [UT] »Quote from p twelve on 27.01.2021 at 11:16 [UT]:
Wow, Metal.
I love discussions about Ceres ruling Taurus. Thanks for this.

p12

You are welcome

I love to express the mental explosions I have inside of me sometimes.

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« Reply #14 - on: 27.01.2021 at 15:21 [UT] »Quote from SpiritedMetalHorse on 26.01.2021 at 18:27 [UT]:
It never made any log al sense to me that Taurus is a male Bull in symbolism yet is a feminine sign. This makes a lot more sense now!

To me, too, a Taurus who is quite feminine (heavy Venus placement) but has more the mind of a man than awoman.
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« Reply #15 - on: 27.01.2021 at 16:29 [UT] »Quote from Catsratz on 27.01.2021 at 15:21 [UT]:
Quote from SpiritedMetalHorse on 26.01.2021 at 18:27 [UT]:
It never made any log al sense to me that Taurus is a male Bull in symbolism yet is a feminine sign. This makes a lot
more sense now!
To me, too, a Taurus who is quite feminine (heavy Venus placement) but has more the mind of a man than a woman.

Ceres i do feel definitely removes Taurus from being locked up in the Venusian archetype which is especiallymuch more suited those lovely Librans out there, it is a brilliant place for Libra too.

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« Reply #16 - on: 29.01.2021 at 16:42 [UT] »Quote from SpiritedMetalHorse on 27.01.2021 at 16:29 [UT]:
Quote from Catsratz on 27.01.2021 at 15:21 [UT]:
Quote from SpiritedMetalHorse on 26.01.2021 at 18:27 [UT]:
It never made any log al sense to me that Taurus is a male Bull in symbolism yet is a feminine sign. This
makes a lot more sense now!
To me, too, a Taurus who is quite feminine (heavy Venus placement) but has more the mind of a man than a woman.
Ceres i do feel definitely removes Taurus from being locked up in the Venusian archetype which is especially much more suited thoselovely Librans out there, it is a brilliant place for Libra too.

Thanks, Horse! I put Ceres into my chart and it shows up in Sagittarius.
I like that a lot. Combined with my Leo moon, especially, it gives me fire "all across the board" and it's
something I need.
Air, too, in which I'm deficient, but I do love all that fire.
Question for anyone: The only Air I possess is in Neptune...what's that mean? Neptune ("illusion") is generally
not a good guy. Sounds like it would make one not very into the truth - but that's not me. And since it's
showing as Cardinal, would this help a chart otherwise deficient in Air?

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« Reply #17 - on: 29.01.2021 at 16:46 [UT] »quote " more the mind of a man than a woman" - Great horse, I promised myself I would not ask but I cannot
help myself. Now it may seem obvious to you, but it's not to me. What is 'more the mind of a man'?

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Member« Reply #18 - on: 29.01.2021 at 16:57 [UT] »Quote from Sinbad on 29.01.2021 at 16:46 [UT]:
quote " more the mind of a man than a woman" - Great horse, I promised myself I would not ask but I cannot help myself. Now it may
seem obvious to you, but it's not to me. What is 'more the mind of a man'?

The ruling planet.
So if for a Taurus, Ceres is their ruler, it makes sense that in Sagittarius, the mind more so that of a man.
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So let's put for instance, ruler of my own personal Taurus Moon & Mars, in Leo... the sign of self expression andmasculinity.
Shall we dig further and bring up many charts?
It may well be great for development.

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« Reply #19 - on: 29.01.2021 at 17:02 [UT] »Quote from Sinbad on 29.01.2021 at 16:46 [UT]:
quote " more the mind of a man than a woman" - Great horse, I promised myself I would not ask but I cannot help myself. Now it may
seem obvious to you, but it's not to me. What is 'more the mind of a man'?

That's me, Sinbad. Less the mindset of the average female. It means I'm more into serious things, don't dosmall talk, and (if I take the time) think more with my head than my heart - and I don't sugarcoat things.
Maybe just a little, if the other person is worried or feeling down. I'm not into "romance" and do not like thetelephone. Don't like religion. Much more, I'm sure. Just a lot of little (and maybe bigger) things like that.
And I love "black humor" - my favorite book is A Confederacy of Dunces (John Kennedy Toole) which, I've read,most women absolutely hate!
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Member« Reply #20 - on: 29.01.2021 at 17:21 [UT] »The most obvious one right now is Hitler.
North Node and Ceres in Cancer, but also Ceres is conjunct his Midheaven.
Taking back what was taken is a Ceres theme, the kidnap of the child, the child simply represents what is taken,
if the thing that be taken would be a human, Persephone enacts the personality traits given within that person.
Ceres needs to learn to lose, Ceres innate ability to nurture and make things grow means that over time, itcomes back anyway... the land is very fertile. Pluto is the one who needs to learn not to take to fulfill theirPosts: 558

empty hole too. Bringing light to their own darkness is how they should manage it.
Hitler did this exact thing except he stuck to the lower Ceres theme of getting it back at the cost of tramplingover others and also using force (Mars)
Chart ruler is Venus, Venus is conjunct Mars, Sun ruler and Mars ruler is Ceres in the sign of Cancer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXt8rU97NMQ

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« Reply #21 - on: 29.01.2021 at 17:36 [UT] »Bruce Lee's ruler is in Taurus opposite a big stellium in Scorpio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5xj2bELXek"The Wisdom Of Bruce Lee "To Learn To Die, Is To Be Liberated From It""
Ceres unleashed his true mind potential, to lose is to win, in the end, it all comes back.
"To express one's self" Ceres in 12th, stuck in the fog.
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Member« Reply #22 - on: 29.01.2021 at 17:43 [UT] »Muhammad Ali "I am not going to fight for me, but fought for his little brothers and sisters that were sleeping
on concrete floors"
Sun ruler in Taurus with Mars in same sign mars, Saturn ruler in Aquarius. Mutual reception.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2EfL1j4KYE

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« Reply #23 - on: 01.02.2021 at 14:30 [UT] »Quote from Catsratz on 27.01.2021 at 15:21 [UT]:
Quote from SpiritedMetalHorse on 26.01.2021 at 18:27 [UT]:
It never made any log al sense to me that Taurus is a male Bull in symbolism yet is a feminine sign. This makes a lot
more sense now!
To me, too, a Taurus who is quite feminine (heavy Venus placement) but has more the mind of a man than a woman.

Also (later) I just sought to find out what Sidereal astrology is, and Aries applies to me as much as Taurusdoes) (I was born on April 27)
Sidereal Sun Signs By Date:(Based on the midpoint between constellations.)(If you are within three days of another sign you are a blend of both.)Aries (Apr 21 — May 12)https://masteringthezodiac.com/what-is-my-siderealBack to top

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Member« Reply #24 - on: 01.02.2021 at 14:35 [UT] »Quote from Catsratz on 01.02.2021 at 14:30 [UT]:
Quote from Catsratz on 27.01.2021 at 15:21 [UT]:
Quote from SpiritedMetalHorse on 26.01.2021 at 18:27 [UT]:
It never made any log al sense to me that Taurus is a male Bull in symbolism yet is a feminine sign. This
makes a lot more sense now!
To me, too, a Taurus who is quite feminine (heavy Venus placement) but has more the mind of a man than a woman.

Also (later) I just sought to find out what Sidereal astrology is, and Aries applies to me as much as Taurus does) (I was born on April 27)

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Sidereal Sun Signs By Date:(Based on the midpoint between constellations.)(If you are within three days of another sign you are a blend of both.)Aries (Apr 21 — May 12)https://masteringthezodiac.com/what-is-my-sidereal-

I think there is some truth to this, I am sidereal Gemini Sun with Aries Moon & Mars, so perhaps the blend isdue to that, I don't see myself as venusian, but I sure as heck do enjoy the comforts of life too, but comfort oflife is not really just Venus, it is Moon too.
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