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jeweliegirl
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SATURN meets VERTEX!
« on: 27.04.2012 at 18:58 [UT+1] »So after studying Vertex for several years now I am convinced that it often is VERY telling in the Solar chart.
The problem is..is that even tho Vertex and anti-Vertex point to important new people and events occuring in
the dated year, there is not a whole lot of info out there on the specifics of what one can expect when
Vertex/anti-vertex mno a specific planet, point or angle and its particular effects.
I have found that in SR years when Gm Vertex an event will occur that is very painful or a loss of someone I
love.
In the name of 'research' I am wondering if this has been true for you???
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What other experiences have you noted where Vertex has been in aspect to a planet, point or angle??
THANKS!!

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jeweliegirl

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« Reply #1 - on: 27.04.2012 at 23:53 [UT+1] »Interesting????? not much interest in Vertex??? Has Vertex already been over explored on this site??? Haven't
been here in a while.

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Catalina
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« Reply #2 - on: 28.04.2012 at 00:23 [UT+1] »I don't think t. Saturn conjunct my Vertex has been significant enough for me to recognize it. However, whensolar arc Saturn was conjunct my Vertex, I met my long-time boyfriend, who is 8 years older than I am. It has
been a "Saturn-type" relationship and almost impossible to walk away from (very binding).
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jeweliegirl

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« Reply #3 - on: 28.04.2012 at 21:06 [UT+1] »Interesting! a very googd Psychic told me a couple of years ago that I would be meeting the Love of my lifearound the begining of this coming july. (I hadn't even asked her about 'love')Which happens to fall on my bday. My solar return for this year has G m vertex.
I read one astrologers blog about her experiences with this aspect and it was horrendous! G transited backand forth over her Vertex 3 times and each time caused terrible turns of events in her love relationships.
So I am letting out a sigh of relief with reading your experience!
Thanks so much!
I am hoping more people get involved with understanding Vertex! I really believe it is such an amazing
predictor!
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Catalina
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« Reply #4 - on: 28.04.2012 at 22:15 [UT+1] »I'm not an expert on the Vertex, but I do look at it often. After going back and looking at my solar returns, I
don't think the Vertex aspects are particularly significant.
I suggest that you check out aspects to/from your progressed and solar arc Vertex as well as natal
Vertex/Antivertex.
Added Later: Maybe you're onto something here. My last SR had Saturn at 11

g and my VX is 7g. I didn't

think that was important, but maybe it is. My father died in February. My natal VX is m B, which rules my 4thhouse. All of this was squared by SR Pluto, which was conjunct the SR and natal MC. SR VX was opposite SR
Uranus in the 12th house. He died in the hospital after a long illness.
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jeweliegirl

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« Reply #5 - on: 28.04.2012 at 23:14 [UT+1] »Catalina..Sorry you lost your father
Point in your life?

! Did you also notice your anti-vertex partile on tr.O for this Turning

I am so glad you looked at more of your SR's.
Interesting how Vertex/G pointed to both a new binding r-ship begining in your life and an established oldbinding r-ship ending.

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Catalina
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« Reply #6 - on: 29.04.2012 at 00:08 [UT+1] »Thank you, Jeweliegirl.
Actually, the bf I mentioned (that's been around for many years) is finally fading from the picture. That Solar
Arc Saturn conjunction to Vertex was in 1988, and that's when we met.
Notice this SR. It doesn't really involve Saturn, but the Vertex is still interesting. And SR Vx is conjunct natal
PoF, which is also one of my Arabic Parts of Marriage. This will be eclipsed on May 20. Sorry to veer away from
Saturn and the VX, but maybe it fits in somehow.
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jeweliegirl

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« Reply #7 - on: 29.04.2012 at 03:35 [UT+1] »Yes ..this is a very telling chart! Wow! D and O very highlighted!! SR. Anti-vertex m N.D... SR.Vertex m POF.
Solar IC m N. Vertex..N. Anti-vertex m SR.O...SR.DmN.O...SR BnSR.D. With the N.node m N I would have towonder if you weren't having a year of feeling more inward and going through some big change either in living
conditions or relationship or both? thanks for sharing!
Do you think most astrologers choose not to use Vertex???
I have N.Vertex m my N.node in h in 6th. My vertex is a very strong messenger in my Charts. I've noticed its
heads up time when I see vertex conjuncting any inner planets, angles or nodes.
I noticed you have Vertex m your moon in g in the 6th. I would imagine that any time you have this repeated
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in secondary charts you know to expect your B to be highly charged and in command of turning points. Haveyou ever noticed this to be true?

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Catalina
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« Reply #8 - on: 29.04.2012 at 07:01 [UT+1] »You've really noticed some things I missed. Thanks! This is my upcoming SR, so we'll see how it turns out.
About my moon....it's been so pummeled the last few years by the square from Pluto, the conjunction from
Saturn, and now the opposition from Uranus, that nothing else seemed important to pay attention to! I think
my moon conjunct my VX is probably way more important than I've realized up to now. I'm a teacher, somaybe it partly means I've let "the public" into my life.
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« Reply #9 - on: 29.04.2012 at 21:16 [UT+1] »I'm totally interested in the Vertex, whether it's a Solar Return, a Venus Return, transits, a first meeting chart,a natal or in synastry. More or less everything
I have found that Vertex definitely acts as an auxiliary angle.
In synastry, I notice Vertex conjunct Saturn when the relationship is of a karmic nature and there is something
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Gender:for the two people to work out. I also think that in the case of synastry, whichever planet or point the Vertex
activates will likely be a prominent theme of the relationship.
As far as Solar Returns (and Venus Returns) go, for this year, I have Venus Return Saturn conjunct my natal
Vertex. The orb is 4 degrees, so a little loose, however still worth looking at, especially since Saturn conjuncts
Mars and makes a Grand Trine with Venus and Neptune.
(Chart below - VR on the inside, Natal on the outside)
In my Solar Return chart for this year (active in about two months) I have SR Vertex closely conjunct SR Moon
conjuncting my natal IC. I also have my natal NN squaring Moon and Vertex which gives extra significance tothat conjunction. Does anyone here have any experience with Moon/Vertex conjunctions? (SR chart is second
one down, SR on inside, natal on outside).
Here is my experience with Vertices in both SR and VR charts: In 2008, when I met my ex (we were together
for 3 years) I had VR Saturn exactly conjunct VR Vertex in the 7th house. Saturn was also loosely conjunctMars. In my SR for 2008, I had VR Vertex conjunct natal Mars (which was loosely conjunct VR Saturn/Mars) In
2006, when I met another important ex, I had VR Sun conjunct VR Vertex and these conjuncted my natal
Saturn.
So I guess you could say that in general I find that looking at my Venus Returns is generally more enlightening
for me in regards to the Vertex/Saturn and relationships.

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« Reply #10 - on: 29.04.2012 at 21:18 [UT+1] »Solar Return for this Year - SR on inside, Natal on outside.

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jeweliegirl

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« Reply #11 - on: 30.04.2012 at 03:51 [UT+1] »Clover..I have not studied Venus Return charts. thanks for bringing them to my attention. I find it sointeresting that you see as many G/vertex aspects in the Venus charts as you do!
I guess there is always things to work out in new relationships especially when we take them seriously. Maybe
that is why the Saturn/Vertex conjunction seems to show up in Returns when we are expected to meetsomeone we take very seriously and have to do the work to really see if the attraction is a lasting one???
It looks like your SR angles are definitely stimulating natal planets. If you go to the 'drop down' menu in the'Methods' section of the Free Chart Selection you will find the 'Natal+Solar chart and Houses' chart ...this chart
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shows all the degree's so that we can really see what is going on with Vertex and planets etc... I would love to
see your Sr chart and also see what that natal B/Vertex conjunction might be trying to express.
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« Reply #12 - on: 30.04.2012 at 04:15 [UT+1] »Oh! Yes, degrees help
I usually make up my own SR and VR charts each year in case I want to use them forother purposes. I will include the standard chart - natal on inside and SR on outside below. I really do see VRs
being helpful in determining Venusian things for the year - relationships, social life and money too.

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Gender:I'd love to know what you think, in general, of my chart too since I usually find it far more difficult to read myown SR chart as opposed to someone else's. What I see is that with Saturn on my SR MC I will be working very
hard, which seems likely since I currently have two jobs. One is financially supporting me and one is a businessthat I will be starting this year. I also have SR Part of Fortune conjunct my natal MC so I'm hoping (fingers
crossed) that I can make the transition successfully to my new career.
I've also got SR Moon conjunct Vtx in the 8th house and SR Pluto in the first house with my SR ASC falling
into my natal 8th house. So a lot of personal and emotional transformation I think? Am wondering now if
maybe there will be a person who will come along (someone from the past or not?) who will be a part of thattransformation since Vtx is conjunct Moon and I have SR Sun in the 7th house. Plus SR ruler of the 8th is in
my 7th.... Also, there is SR NN conjuncting my natal DSC. So the pattern fits, just not sure if it will be an
intimate relationship or a business one?

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jeweliegirl

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« Reply #13 - on: 30.04.2012 at 04:55 [UT+1] »Clover~ with that S. Node on DF..and the B/vertex in e..A in DC I am thinking that someone you still loveor have had a strong love connection with is still in your life and is recirculating into your immediate experience
this SR year. B in e is one of the best placements so it should promise to be a really fun time. And yes..I
agree with you that your business venture is looking positive and is strongly supported. DmF on the ACshould bring in the 'high life' this year. Also you probably will be meeting with people whom are very beneficial
to your goals.
I think you are right on with your interpretation of your SR chart. You didn't mention this but I don't think
this is a year where you fall into a new serious r-ship.
Through out your life your natal Vertex mO should bring you lots of bazarre turns of events and people whenPosts: 827

you least expect it and without warning.
Nice SR chart!

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« Reply #14 - on: 30.04.2012 at 06:30 [UT+1] »Regina, thanks for your insights
Very much appreciated. I wondered about that SN connection too. I havebeen missing my ex who broke up with me in September and keep hoping that I'll hear from him but I havebeen trying not to let wishful thinking cloud my objectivity. I just keep thinking of my VR chart with Saturn

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Gender:loosely conjunct Vertex which has only ever showed up during years when I did have a serious relationship. I
guess we'll see.
In any case, I will add to this thread once I know how it all turns out. I was happy to find a discussion on thevertex since I think it tends to be underrated by astrologers.

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Cor Leonis

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« Reply #15 - on: 12.05.2012 at 00:07 [UT+1] »I have interest in this topic, the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis, and when searching the forum found this thread.
Attached is Solar Return for this year. Which has been difficult to come to grips with.

A is 0.12, Anti-Vertex 0.14, Neptune 0.35 and the Antiscia G 0.36 l.

Here we see G (antiscia) meets Antivertex!
Seems I cannot escape the zero even if I wanted to. Notice that B is 0 k.
Although this chart is not a typical solar return chart, it is adjusted to the minute that the A returned to natal
position.
Saturn and Neptune 'interchange' based upon longitude and Antiscia.

If you have intuition and/or research into the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis during a Solar Return, I am grateful for
any insight.
Here is some research on Antiscia:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html
Vertex:
http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm
In the natal, Vertex is 20 j and m the Polar Ascendant within minutes, 5th house, nothing else is in j.
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« Reply #16 - on: 13.05.2012 at 04:53 [UT+1] »Quote from Cor Leonis on 12.05.2012 at 00:07 [UT+1]:
I have interest in this topic, the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis, and when searching the forum found this thread.
Attached is Solar Return for this year. ÃÂ Which has been difficult to come to grips with.

A is 0.12, Anti-Vertex 0.14, Neptune 0.35 and the Antiscia G 0.36 l.

Here we see

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G (antiscia) meets Antivertex! Ã ÂSeems I cannot escape the zero even if I wanted to. ÃÂ Notice that

B is 0 k. Ã ÂAlthough this chart is not a typical solar return chart, it is adjusted to the minute that the

A returned to natal position.

Saturn and Neptune 'interchange' based upon longitude and Antiscia. ÃÂIf you have intuition and/or research into the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis during a Solar Return, I am grateful for any insight.
Here is some research on Antiscia:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html
Vertex:
http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm
In the natal, Vertex is 20

j and m the Polar Ascendant within minutes, 5th house, nothing else is in j.

Hi Cor~Wow! very interesting SR! Thanks for sharing! Well I am lost about what Antiscia is all about. read thearticle you included but I need simple and that article made my brain erupt. I will try reading it again when I
am not so tired. It did pique my interest!
all those '0' degree's are definitely screaming 'change'! Anything going on with father or father figure..closemale friend??? B is strongest in chart and is holding court with all the others. she is in strongest aspect withthat o to G. O also holds a bit of her attention with the close q . Then Anti-vertex on your sun
mImN..intense! You will be asked to gather emotional strength this year. To find what it means emotionally tostay clear and focused in the face of the inevitable and unavoidable change that may come without warning. A
huge test! Could be a year where someone very important and good for you suddenly comes into your life andyou find yourself needing to deeply re-evaluate your true feelings about an important issue, teaching etc...Youmay be very challenged to get real with your self
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« Reply #17 - on: 14.05.2012 at 00:54 [UT+1] »Quote from clover on 29.04.2012 at 21:16 [UT+1]:
Does anyone here have any experience with Moon/Vertex conjunctions?

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Gender:Yes, I have. I've relocated to two different places which had Moon conjunct Vertex. It's said that this gives theplace a homey feel. I think this is good for finding or buying a house and generally settling down - provided, ofcourse, other aspects favour this. In one case the Moon-Vertex was also conjuncting the IC, which puts thisplace close to my heart.
I've checked the vertex in my solar return for next year and saw also that it conjuncts Saturn. I'm not sure abutthe effect of solar returns, let alone of the vertex in solar returns, so I don't know how much emphasis to put
on it. I still think transits and progressions come first. Interesting to read your replies here.

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Cor Leonis
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« Reply #18 - on: 18.05.2012 at 22:39 [UT+1] »Thank-you Regina,

I forgot about this thread and did not get notification, so found your reply just now.
I have to leave for the weekend, however, so will reply another time.
Getting real with myself does sum it up well.

Quote from jeweliegirl on 13.05.2012 at 04:53 [UT+1]:
Quote from Cor Leonis on 12.05.2012 at 00:07 [UT+1]:
I have interest in this topic, the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis, and when searching the forum found this thread.
Attached is Solar Return for this year. ÃÂ Which has been difficult to come to grips with.

A is 0.12, Anti-Vertex 0.14, Neptune 0.35 and the Antiscia G 0.36 l.

Here we see

G (antiscia) meets Antivertex! Ã ÂSeems I cannot escape the zero even if I wanted to. ÃÂ Notice that

B is 0 k. Ã ÂAlthough this chart is not a typical solar return chart, it is adjusted to the minute that the

A returned to natal position.

Saturn and Neptune 'interchange' based upon longitude and Antiscia. ÃÂIf you have intuition and/or research into the Vertex/Anti-Vertex axis during a Solar Return, I am grateful for any insight.
Here is some research on Antiscia:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html
Vertex:
http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm
In the natal, Vertex is 20

j and m the Polar Ascendant within minutes, 5th house, nothing else is in j.

Hi Cor~Wow! very interesting SR! Thanks for sharing! Well I am lost about what Antiscia is all about. read the article you included but I need
simple and that article made my brain erupt. I will try reading it again when I am not so tired. It did pique my interest!

B is strongest
o to G. O also holds a bit of her attention with theall those '0' degree's are definitely screaming 'change'! Anything going on with father or father figure..close male friend???
in chart and is holding court with all the others. she is in strongest aspect with thatclose

q. Then Anti-vertex on your sun mImN..intense! You will be asked to gather emotional strength this year. To find what it means

emotionally to stay clear and focused in the face of the inevitable and unavoidable change that may come without warning. A huge test!
Could be a year where someone very important and good for you suddenly comes into your life and you find yourself needing to deeply
re-evaluate your true feelings about an important issue, teaching etc...You may be very challenged to get real with your self
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Liana Nicas

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« Reply #19 - on: 20.05.2012 at 07:03 [UT+1] »Hello Jewliegirl & all!!
Very interesting thread!
My own experience on Vx: though from the very beginning of my astrology-studying I had a big interest on
the Vertex, I mainly focused on the natal & haven't really any much other experience with it, unless of course
progressions, return, synastries etc which aspect the natal Vx ...

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Gender:... Unfortunately, my natal Vx is in a tight o O (I am k) ...
So, even in transits synastry etc it's mainly the conjunction that I really consider, since anything else would fallunder the O aspect (which, let me tell you - is quite strong to leave me much room for other thoughts ...
Though, in a very strong relationship that I had, where there was a clear involvement of both our vertices - theKarmic energy was definitely very obvious to not just us ...
& it really felt as if we were the 2 halves of 1 & the same thing ...
We had to break up, though, & too soon for what was going on between us which left us in going back&forth toeach other for years - though never attaining to forming a regular relationship never again.
Whenever I see, though, some tight, strong aspect with someone's Vx ... I stay in awe, in a way!!
I know it's something as deep as eternity, whose outcome depends & is not necessarily what we think it mightbe!!!

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