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littleowl
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« on: 25.03.2010 at 22:15 [UT] »This may just be another version of the Highly Sensitive Person discussion, but I feel that there is a difference
between being sensitive and empathic. It appears that extreme empathy is an extension of the sensitivity
towards picking up the vibes of other people, whereas being highly sensitive has to do more with the Self.
I'd be interested to learn how many HSPeople also consider themselves empathic.
http://healing.about.com/cs/empathic/a/uc_empathtraits.htm
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Gender:Here is a quiz to see if you are an empath and what kind you are:(I am the Healer empath who transmutes the pain of others!)
http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/new/Pangelic/are-you-an-empath/#
I wonder if there is one planet that points to such inate ability or if it is just another bunch of aspects andassorted locations of planets. It would be nice to find underlying commonalities and correlations.
I am doing research for a book and would be interested to hear from others. If you post your charts please try
to do them in the equal house system as that increases validity if they are compared.
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Penguin Trauma

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« Reply #1 - on: 25.03.2010 at 22:20 [UT] »I scored the following:"You Scored as Unbonded Empath
A powerful Empath is trapped inside your body, and wants to get out! The trap is really in your mind. Too many
beliefs are in the way of your spreading your wings. There is hope if you look for it!"Not sure what one of those are, but interesting nevertheless.
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Gender:lACD, dE, hO in a Water Grand Trine. ACDo 12th house IB
PS: why Equal House? Just curious!

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butterflye
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« Reply #2 - on: 25.03.2010 at 22:40 [UT] »I scored as a certified empath. But... I really hate these tests. I think they're dumb. I think I'm dumber now
for having taken it.
I don't need a test to tell me I'm an empath. I've known it all my life.
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Ex Member« Reply #3 - on: 25.03.2010 at 22:42 [UT] »I'm an intuitive. I'm not sure if I'd consider myself empathic though.

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EyesisEx Member

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« Reply #4 - on: 25.03.2010 at 22:48 [UT] »I scored as Certified Empath ~ I was going to crack and say I am certifiable.
This is good, because I am studying Psychology and I am questioning if I would get too deep into someone
else. That would affect my effectiveness if I am "feeling" them.
It kills me to NOT be able to help. Especially if I care about someone.
PS, Equal house system puts my 4h junk into the 3h. I am loving on my 4h right now. KFgmIh hangin on
my IC pole.
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Linda Harris

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« Reply #5 - on: 25.03.2010 at 23:17 [UT] »Not a surprise, scored 100% as a certified empath. Not sure exactly what that will get me...lol
I do agree that empathy, sympathy, compassion and sensitivity are all different.
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It certainly helps a professional astrologer to be sympathetic, compassionate and empathetic.
I mean as opposed to NOT.
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littleowl
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« Reply #6 - on: 26.03.2010 at 00:25 [UT] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 25.03.2010 at 22:20 [UT]:

PS: why Equal House? Just curious!

Some astrologers say that health assessments and some spiritual issues are better identified in the equal house
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Gender:system, but like everywhere else there is debate. It's just more concise and less messy.
I find my chart is most accurate in the equal house system (especially since I look for health-related issues andthose are best done in the equal house system), but everyone should do what they feel is most accurate.
Comparing different charts in different house system just adds another variable that makes them different. It's
more like comparing apples with apples, rather than apples with oranges. Astrology is complex enough, so if
one variable can be eliminated it brings up the validity a lot.
I wonder if all empaths study psychology, because I am one of those as well
If I could just figure out how to run a statistical analysis....GROAN. Stats was brutal and I immediately threw
the info out of my brain to make room for fun stuff.
I know those tests are kind of cheesy, but like all questionaires and personality assessments they are a goodstart. Better than wildly flailing about like a fish out of water without aim and purpose.
That's my Saturn talking, who desperately tries to adhere to some type of structure (not without kicking andscreaming, though) I guess all of you don't like to be put in a box either! Sorry to try to categorize you, but
one has to start somewhere!

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Loretta Cassian

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« Reply #7 - on: 26.03.2010 at 00:30 [UT] »According to that test I'm an "unbounded" empath.
I don't feel especially empathic...
Maybe even a little bit below average.
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« Reply #8 - on: 26.03.2010 at 02:30 [UT] »I had a palmist tell me I was an Empath. Didn't even know what it was, so read up on it years ago.
I can read people like nobodies business (maybe my N/SNode in 8th?). It can be disturbing or enlightening forthem, depending on their openness to such.
Empaths, unlike psychics, have to recognize their own emotions in someone else to identify them. Empaths arehighly tuned into their own emotions and have hundreds of little antennae out who recognize emotional truthsof others. As my mom always said, "it takes one to know one."
It's a good skill to have but we have to be careful not to manipulate others with this.
We can walk in other's moccasins. (native american saying).

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Evolving

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« Reply #9 - on: 26.03.2010 at 02:31 [UT] »You Scored as Certified Empath (don't you just love that word, 'certified?')You are a natural born Empath! You are haunted by the calling of "the others" and walk in silence between thebusy and the distracted. You qualify for certification by the School of Empath Psychology. From the Book of
Storms Series newsletter on Yahoo! Groups.
Unbonded Empath
81%
Certified Empath
81%
Potential Empath
81%
An Intuitive
75%
LanetteTo listen only to the mind and not the soul is, a form of insanity.
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Matrika Matters
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« Reply #10 - on: 26.03.2010 at 02:36 [UT] »Quote:I am doing research for a book and would be interested to hear from others. If you post your charts please try to do them in the equalhouse system as that increases validity if they are compared.

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Whole sign houses would increase your validity and ease of comparison I think.
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Mercury Addict

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« Reply #11 - on: 26.03.2010 at 03:19 [UT] »Interesting thread, Soulsaver!
I've always had these ....feelings but didn't know what to call them.
As a child, I tried to banish or ignore
them but they actually forced their way into prominence in my life. So, I've always wondered how to categorize
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this - always seemed like there were potentially, many labels that fit.
When I took the HSP test on another thread, I scored a 23 or 24, which didn't surprise me but that one
covered both sensitivity to environment and people, so I wanted to refine my understanding further. As I readthe material in the first link on this thread, I was struck by the mention of being empathetic with inanimate
objects. Though the other descriptions resonated powerfully with me, that one was really the kicker cause I
had thought I was just plain strange on that count and avoided mentioning it to anyone else.
Anyway, when trying to indentify these feelings, I'd settled on "intuition" but never was entirely satisfied withnot really knowing for sure - always felt like "empathic" was a good fit too. So, when I took the test, sureenough:You Scored as An Intuitive
You are a natural intuitive with many talents. You have other abilities and characteristics and fit into the samefamily as Empaths. The more you learn the stronger your abilities will become! from the Book of Storms Series
newsletter on Yahoo!Groups.

An Intuitive
88%
Potential Empath
81%
Certified Empath
81%
Unbonded Empath81%
Not an Empath13%
Thanks for the realization!
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« Reply #12 - on: 26.03.2010 at 04:06 [UT] »Hi, I scored as an Unbonded Empath.

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littleowl

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« Reply #13 - on: 26.03.2010 at 05:24 [UT] »Quote from Mercury Addict on 26.03.2010 at 03:19 [UT]:Interesting thread, Soulsaver!
When I took the HSP test on another thread, I scored a 23 or 24, which didn't surprise me but that one covered both sensitivity toenvironment and people, so I wanted to refine my understanding further. As I read the material in the first link on this thread, I was struckby the mention of being empathetic with inanimate objects. Though the other descriptions resonated powerfully with me, that one wasreally the kicker cause I had thought I was just plain strange on that count and avoided mentioning it to anyone else.
Anyway, when trying to indentify these feelings, I'd settled on "intuition" but never was entirely satisfied with not really knowing for sure -Posts: 215
Gender:always felt like "empathic" was a good fit too. So, when I took the test, sure enough:
You Scored as An Intuitive
You are a natural intuitive with many talents. You have other abilities and characteristics and fit into the same family as Empaths. The
more you learn the stronger your abilities will become! from the Book of Storms Series newsletter on Yahoo!Groups.

Yahoo Groups has an Empath Group that I have belonged to for many years already and you can work throughthe book of storms at your own pace to hone your abilities and to become more in tune with them. The groupis really good and worth your while if you are determined to get a handle on those pesky emotions.
I had read the HSP books many eons back and at the time they were incredibly helpful in showing me how I
was different and how to live in this world that doesn't cater to sensitives.
However, over time I stuck with the development and became more and more spiritual. As you become more
spiritual, you also enhance your sensitivities. When I was meditating I became even more sensitive, which attimes became a major drag and I had to back off meditation for a while.
My sensitivities are ultra acute and I score 100% and highest in the HSP test, which is not surprising. I
definitely had to adjust my life around this and now live in a rural area where the only vibes I get are from cows
, which is nice because they are so laid back! They certainly don't have an agenda like people!
I also suffer from massive allergies and sensitivities, which many empaths have. Worse yet are the illnesses ofothers I take into my body, because I am a Healer empath. I am trained in energy medicine and can feel what
others have in my body and over time I have learned to deal with it much better. But before you find out andrealize what is happening your life can be pretty harsh. I used to live close to a major airport and at times I
couldn't hear myself think from all the radio-frequencies swirling around me. It's not that I heard what theysaid, but my head was always fuzzy and I couldn't think straight. Living by cell-phone towers also doesn't help
those with EMF-sensitivities. I am much better here!
The other day I threw a dinner which both my sisters-in law attended. Both had been having a stressful andlong day and soon I was dead-beat tired. I had had enough sleep and felt fine until they showed up. Once I
realized where the fatigue was coming from, I was better, but it's this ability to discern what belongs to whomthat must be exercised and trained. But I tell you, the more you work it the more sensitive you become. A lotof people drown their abilities out and drink, because they can't handle all those emotions and others takedrugs. I decided to go clean (not that I had a problem in the first place, but the doctors kept giving me drugs
for all those illnesses I didn't have
) and it has been the best thing I ever did. I now know my own mind andrealize when something outside of me interferes.
I am writing a book about super-sensitives, so that many others understand they are not crazy, or sick orwhatever they think they are so they can understand better what is happening to them. If you have somevaluable advice feel free to share it with me. I have been looking for validations in natal charts and believeme...they are there!!! So keep 'em coming! I am also interviewing doctors about their sensitive patients and I
am collaborating with channelers and psychics about the reasons why some individuals are so acutely sensitive
and what their purpose here on earth is at this time.
Marion, what's the benefit of whole house signs over equal? Please explain, because I am not an adept
astrologer. Just learning, but fast!!! I need all the help I can get!
I guess that my Fin 6th h has a lot to do with the medical aspects of what I am feeling because it enhances
everything I take in and magnifies it. That being said, when I think positive that is enhanced as well, so that is
my daily goal!

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EyesisEx Member

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« Reply #14 - on: 26.03.2010 at 08:08 [UT] »I understand the neatness of equal house but I love my 4h!!!!
They all still hang on my Natural IC.
Anyway you would need to find enough people so the statistics come out with accuracy and you would need toget enough people of each sign to make it valid.
In my curriculum I will need to do the same as I will more than likely get into Research. Statistical MathUgh!!
Empathy is what makes us Humane. Too much empathy or better, not having a handle on your own empathy
can create its own set of problems.
A totally non empathetic person is a Socio-Path and that is Fact. It becomes Psychopathic when the Socio-Pathbecomes violent.
Yet I personally know someone who has no empathy and they study astrology.
Or rather they have stuffed their Empathy so far down it can't be seen anymore.
He is the reason I came to this site and here I am.
I am curious to know if Less empaths are being born at this time, or within the last 20-30 years. There is such ahard core callousness with the younger ones that makes me wonder.
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« Reply #15 - on: 26.03.2010 at 11:07 [UT] »I have always been a bit confused about this empath business. I scored Certified Empath 92%.
I don't cry very often, and NEVER in front of others. I don't have precognitive dreams, or in fact many dreams
at all. I am not psychic in any way. I don't have any allergies or health problems. I don't let others takeadvantage of me, and it is impossible to con me! I'm not a sucker.
I do ache for all the pain in the world, I do always know what other people are feeling, and physically feel theirpain and their joy, I do usually know what is going to happen next, or what the outcome of most situations willbe, but this is from a kind of logical and experiential process. I am outraged and hurt by mistreatment or abuseof children, and I have an incredible connection or intuition with all animals and even plants.
I think the vast majority of people are sensitive and attuned to the people around them. I don't think empathy
and sensitivity is in any way unusual, but I do think many people are very subjective about what they pick up,
meaning they relate everything back to themselves (that includes me, although less so as I get older).
Fire signs are very sensitive and reactive....they often feel like they have to distract, fix, cheer or lead others outof their pain.
Earth signs are very sensitive and stoic, they understand and take a practical 'cup of tea' approach to emotionalsituations.
Air signs are very sensitive and will often analyse and seek solutions, talk (often too much) and listen.
Water signs are very sensitive and other peoples feelings will cause their own feelings to spill out, they will crywith you and laugh with you. BUT, may be the least useful because of this.
But maybe I have misunderstood the thread!!
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« Reply #16 - on: 26.03.2010 at 15:39 [UT] »For your research
Certified Empath
100%
An Intuitive81%
Unbonded Empath
69%
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69%
Not an Empath
19%(weird seeing my chart in equal house)

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« Reply #17 - on: 26.03.2010 at 17:05 [UT] »I agree Pearl!!! No wonder I get along with you!! Me Af you f rising!!
Of course you are 100% empathic.
I love your posts, they are so heartfelt yet light in spirit.
And you are a Blast!!

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« Reply #18 - on: 26.03.2010 at 17:20 [UT] »I would point out my natal BI m 8th as a internal knowing when true empathy is due. These planets in j
keep me detached and able to keep my head straight in crisis, I get to the facts and know when to help, know
when to stand my ground. Traditionally a detriment, its a pretty kewl configuration when under extreme stress.
You deeply care and feel as anyone, but you don't lose the plot.
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« Reply #19 - on: 26.03.2010 at 17:27 [UT] »Most of the charts posted so far show Grand Trines and/or Kites, all of them are either in Fire or Water and
Neptune was present in the majority of the configurations even talent triangles. Fire energy and even Mars canbe strong in Psychic charts, empathic is just a different form of psychic energy, Water is always prevalent insome form. It may not be really important, but something I thought was interesting.
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« Reply #20 - on: 26.03.2010 at 18:48 [UT] »Quote from Lynne on 26.03.2010 at 11:07 [UT]:

I don't cry very often, and NEVER in front of others. I don't have precognitive dreams, or in fact many dreams at all. I am not psychic in
any way. I don't have any allergies or health problems. I don't let others take advantage of me, and it is impossible to con me! I'm not asucker.
I do ache for all the pain in the world, I do always know what other people are feeling, and physically feel their pain and their joy, I do
usually know what is going to happen next, or what the outcome of most situations will be, but this is from a kind of logical andPosts: 215

experiential process. I am outraged and hurt by mistreatment or abuse of children, and I have an incredible connection or intuition with all

Gender:animals and even plants.
I think the vast majority of people are sensitive and attuned to the people around them. I don't think empathy and sensitivity is in any
way unusual, but I do think many people are very subjective about what they pick up, meaning they relate everything back to themselves(that includes me, although less so as I get older).
Fire signs are very sensitive and reactive....they often feel like they have to distract, fix, cheer or lead others out of their pain.
Earth signs are very sensitive and stoic, they understand and take a practical 'cup of tea' approach to emotional situations.
Air signs are very sensitive and will often analyse and seek solutions, talk (often too much) and listen.
Water signs are very sensitive and other peoples feelings will cause their own feelings to spill out, they will cry with you and laugh withyou. BUT, may be the least useful because of this.
But maybe I have misunderstood the thread!!

Hi Lynne!
I've been meaning to connect with you anyways and it's nice to see your thread here!
I don't think you misunderstood the thread, but what we are looking for here is an inherent sensitivity that forsome reason sets you apart from others. It's where you get comments from other people about how wierd anddifferent they think you are. That stuff.
My mother used to tell me all the time (to my great annoyance) how horribly sensitive I was and how itbothered her. I always felt guilty about this and wished I could be different and more "hardy" towards life. Now
that I am grown up I understand that my mothers' inherent insensitivity made me worse. She should have justheld and cuddled me and THEN encouraged me to go out in the world again, but she never did. So, to say thatmy mother has the same sensitivity as me, is incorrect and impossible. Despite her being a virgo, there is not asensitive bone in her body. In fact, she treats everyone with great insensitivity and disregard. As far as she isconcerned, SHE comes first. My father as well. If you squeezed and squeezed and squeezed....not a drop ofsensitivity would come out of him as he is a cold mysoginist. He MAY have had the potential to be sensitive asa child, but that potential never manifested.
However, there are some people.....and I agree with the water signs and trines and kites, that are so sensitivethat they feel empathically what others are all about. That makes you an empath as well as you figured out. But
I think it also depends on HOW life treated you and the issues that you signed on to learn. These shape you as
well. If I didn't have a lot of abuse, I'd probably be quite a bit stronger than I am now, but abuse makes you
feel as if nobody cares about you - in fact they don't, or else they wouldn't beat the crap out of you. So thatchanges things. However, that doesn't make me a weakling and my Ad makes me a force to be reckoned inany crisis. Put me on equal footing with death or counsel someone with severe problems, I kick some serious
butt. So the abuse has helped me in gaining strength, but it was incredibly unpleasant to say the least.

I was particularly intruiged by your chart, because our birthdays are only a month apart and we have a similar
heaven, along with the grand cross, which I assume manifested itself in the summer of '65. I know of one otherperson born around that time and he is extremely sensitive as well. My premise is that we came that way andthat it is written in the stars.........it is just a bit slippery to prove.
But imagine if you could look at a child's chart and tell the parents right away what to look out for? Call me
idealistic, but I think that should be done for every newborn in a hospital. How receptive parents are is adifferent story and some lessons simply have to be learned, but nobody should be abused!
So no, I don't think you misunderstood. It's just that for you your sensitivity is not such a big deal and you
seem more integrated. How did you experience the grand cross?
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« Reply #21 - on: 26.03.2010 at 19:10 [UT] »Quote from Eyesis on 26.03.2010 at 08:08 [UT]:
I understand the neatness of equal house but I love my 4h!!!!

They all still hang on my Natural IC.

Anyway you would need to find enough people so the statistics come out with accuracy and you would need to get enough people of eachsign to make it valid.
In my curriculum I will need to do the same as I will more than likely get into Research. Statistical MathUgh!!

Empathy is what makes us Humane. Too much empathy or better, not having a handle on your own empathy can create its own set of

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A totally non empathetic person is a Socio-Path and that is Fact. It becomes Psychopathic when the Socio-Path becomes violent.
Yet I personally know someone who has no empathy and they study astrology.
Or rather they have stuffed their Empathy so far down it can't be seen anymore.
He is the reason I came to this site and here I am.
I am curious to know if Less empaths are being born at this time, or within the last 20-30 years. There is such a hard core callousness
with the younger ones that makes me wonder.

Hey eyesis!
Too funny how you love your 4th house.
I am the same way when my chart is in another orientation and I
absolutely despise Koch. I hate it with a passion...perhaps because one time I had a reading with an astrologer
who was convinced my chart was accurate in Koch and they told me to take up weaving on a loom. The lady
truly had a screw loose and it was the most inaccurate chart I had ever done and she didn't even listen. That's
how you learn, I guess. So please go by what feels good to you and post your chart the way you prefer! I don't
want to see you suffer.
Statistical Math??? Urghhh! I couldn't do that...EVER! Good luck to you. I bet you kick butt!!!
It is interesting how you picked up on the sociopathic spectrum. Everything is degrees and if I swung too far
over the other way I'd easily turn into a sociopath. But some people, if they are too empathic and pushed too
far by life can turn psychopathic as well. I know of one woman who is so incredibly sensitive that it has become
pathological and psychotic. She is convinced that even very tiny substances of chemicals can hurt her and her
body actually manifests a physical response based on her fear. Very interesting case, where sensitivity has gonewrong.
I don't think empathy is a requirement for the study of astrology. I could see how someone could get hooked
through mathematical interests, especially if you have a very rational and logical mind. Then you'd do well withthe structure of astrology, but you'd never get to the heart of it. He is probably able to rattle of theconnections and technical aspects, but I bet he doesn't see the pattern that pops out at intuitives?
Not that that makes me superior. There is a place for everyone on the planet and I wish Math could be stronger
for me, but it is what it is.
I was wondering about the same thing in terms of less empaths being born now. If you look esoterically, there
are certain time periods where individuals are born for a specific purpose. I think empaths can also be linked to
the Indigo phenomenon and I know that there are quite a few Indigos and crystal children being born rightnow. While these guys are not like us at all, I think it takes people like us to recognize them and help themattain their potential, because many of those kids are so difficult and the layers need to be peeled back to show
them their inherent gifts and talents. I very strongly resonate with severely disabled children and even thosewith ADHD or ADD, even though I never had experiences like theirs. But there is something there that I can't
put my finger on just yet. Maybe the answers are in the charts!
I did some charts a couple of years ago and there was a wave of babies born which I thought to be very special
and significant healers, but if they live up to that remains to be seen. There is the crystal movement under way,though.
But yes, I agree with you. This latest generation is incredibly selfish and self-centered. BUT.....I know at least
with my two stepkids (31 and 28 respectively) that the hardness is just a shell and that they are actually VERY
sensitive and have stuffed it, because they needed to.
Who knows if we'll ever figure it out. I hope someone does though!
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maiden« Reply #22 - on: 26.03.2010 at 19:34 [UT] »MemberSoulsaver,I know that I am an empath...and i only scored 88 on the first two... intuitive 78 and 19 for not empathic...
hmmm but basically the jest was..I agree, I hold it back. To feel those feelings of others.. hurts badly and I
dont know that I have developed a strong enough soul(lack of a better term) to keep from depression. I think
you are on to something with ADD and HD.. my son was dx with such and while I really disagree with the dx.. I
have to say he has lots of strong aspects... he is Aj Be a rising... so the oppos. me! It wasnt until I camehere did i have an understanding on why he is the way he is..and how to adjust how I interact with him. I
would be interested in what you learn. He is very logical/philosophical and hates any kind of say Dr. Seuss
Book..which I love.

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« Reply #23 - on: 26.03.2010 at 20:18 [UT] »I was reading a study which linked guilt and empathy strongly together if some of you are interested, thenscroll bit down the link there is an english translation too.
I have been empathic since child.
At one point i tried to build a wall because of outside pressure (shcoolmates, friends etc) because the usual

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Gender:teens "whatever" attitude was cool around then so i tried to fit in my best so i wound't be bullied. I'm so happy
to see most teens here today can be themselves bravely.
But trying not to care is very, very hard. Often i was in the situations where i felt really bad for the other person
but i ended up holding my tears. Then sometimes i would stand up and yell stop, in moments when i couldn't
take it anymore like when someone was being bullied. It's been a huge battle to be so sensitive. Of course
eventually it all came out and i couldn't handle all acting like i'm "not caring" anymore. How stupid was thatanyway..luckily it the coolness of it didn't last long.
Then i had two girl pet gerbils who i used to let out of their terrarium sometimes to see the world around,
took them out to eat dandelion leaves which they loved and played with them.
One time when i let them out to run around i accidentally stepped on one and it died straight away.
I was crushed, shocked and nothing i experienced ever felt so bad than to take a life of a living thing, evenwhen it was an accident.
I cried three days and blamed myself so hard..at the same time i felt bad for it's friend who was left alone.
It was always hard to understand for me, why someone would hurt someone or something and now i did
myself..the reason didn't seem to matter to me, the act was still the same.
My family tried to make me feel better by buying two gerbils even though i told them i no longer want to bearound animals because of what i did. While nothing could replace the one who died, i still had to take care of
the new ones and little by little i began to forgive myself and now i'm really happy i'm around animals and ofcourse people.
At that time i was especially told by many people i'm too sensitive and i still am, but now i don't see it as aweakness like before.
I learned to use Placidus, but i'm posting my chart with equalhouse system because i'm curious if someone sees
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« Reply #24 - on: 26.03.2010 at 21:25 [UT] »Very astute SoulSaver!!!!
As far as charts and systems aspects and all such that we relate or not to, it is always from our own
perspective. And I will keep mine as is in this thread, you can still see where my IC is and how that stuff is righton it. It is an area I am beginning to work on now. How I ignored it is amazing to me.
And yes we have some here in the forum that are definitely more of the Technical rather than the Empathetic
mind, but they make great analysis. And their time and patience with analysis shows some form of caring. Ever
learning here!!!
Empathy can cloud ones ability to discern between their own pain, and the clients issues.
Yes Too much Empathy can drive one off the deep end simply because of the need to KILL the (so-called)
source of the pain.
I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with!!
Thanx for the Encouragement. Math is like AAAAAAAAAAarrrrrrrrrrrrrggh!

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« Reply #26 - on: 26.03.2010 at 23:09 [UT] »Quote from soulsaver on 26.03.2010 at 18:48 [UT]:
Hi Lynne!
I've been meaning to connect with you anyways and it's nice to see your thread here!
I don't think you misunderstood the thread, but what we are looking for here is an inherent sensitivity that for some reason sets you apartfrom others. It's where you get comments from other people about how wierd and different they think you are. That stuff.
My mother used to tell me all the time (to my great annoyance) how horribly sensitive I was and how it bothered her. I always felt guilty
about this and wished I could be different and more "hardy" towards life. Now that I am grown up I understand that my mothers' inherent
insensitivity made me worse. She should have just held and cuddled me and THEN encouraged me to go out in the world again, but she
never did. So, to say that my mother has the same sensitivity as me, is incorrect and impossible. Despite her being a virgo, there is not asensitive bone in her body. In fact, she treats everyone with great insensitivity and disregard. As far as she is concerned, SHE comes first.
My father as well. If you squeezed and squeezed and squeezed....not a drop of sensitivity would come out of him as he is a cold
mysoginist. He MAY have had the potential to be sensitive as a child, but that potential never manifested.
However, there are some people.....and I agree with the water signs and trines and kites, that are so sensitive that they feel empathicallywhat others are all about. That makes you an empath as well as you figured out. But I think it also depends on HOW life treated you andthe issues that you signed on to learn. These shape you as well. If I didn't have a lot of abuse, I'd probably be quite a bit stronger than I
am now, but abuse makes you feel as if nobody cares about you - in fact they don't, or else they wouldn't beat the crap out of you. So
that changes things. However, that doesn't make me a weakling and my

Ad makes me a force to be reckoned in any crisis. Put me on

equal footing with death or counsel someone with severe problems, I kick some serious butt. So the abuse has helped me in gaining
strength, but it was incredibly unpleasant to say the least.

I was particularly intruiged by your chart, because our birthdays are only a month apart and we have a similar heaven, along with thegrand cross, which I assume manifested itself in the summer of '65. I know of one other person born around that time and he is extremely
sensitive as well. My premise is that we came that way and that it is written in the stars.........it is just a bit slippery to prove.
But imagine if you could look at a child's chart and tell the parents right away what to look out for? Call me idealistic, but I think thatshould be done for every newborn in a hospital. How receptive parents are is a different story and some lessons simply have to belearned, but nobody should be abused!
So no, I don't think you misunderstood. It's just that for you your sensitivity is not such a big deal and you seem more integrated. How
did you experience the grand cross?
soulsaverHi soulsaver (do you really save souls?

),

I don't know about integrated, but I think having Sun in c I just don't identify with being emotionallysensitive. I identify with being rational and detached, and I think I have always used my sensitivity as a way ofgathering information. A tool to help me understand the world and the people around me. But I do often feeloverwhelmed by the emotional atmosphere, or the emotions of others...especially as a child (less often now),and when this happens I need to find time alone where I can think through it all and try to make sense of it.
Always done that! Found a quite corner where I could think through all the feelings and undercurrents until I
had a grasp of what was happening.
Your parents sound a lot like mine. I wasn't abused (or maybe I was, what is abuse anyway??), but I surely
wasn't nurtured either. I bear no grudges though, they did the best they could with what they had to give, andI never doubted they loved us...they were there, weren't they?
Being a Cancer Sun you will probably identify with your emotional sensitivity...it is the core of who you are.
I baulk at labels, they get my back up. They are too often used to separate some of us from the rest of us.
Either because the label makes them 'faulty' or because it makes them 'special'. Like I said, I think everyone issensitive (even your Mum, I bet deep down she thought she was and knew how dangerous it was to be thatway). I wonder if water signs just lack a container for their sensitivity.....water is impossible to control without acontainer of some kind. It's the old boundary problem.

But like everything this is both a gift and a curse.

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« Reply #27 - on: 26.03.2010 at 23:32 [UT] »You Scored as Certified Empath
You are a natural born Empath! You are haunted by the calling of "the others" and walk in silence between thebusy and the distracted. You qualify for certification by the School of Empath Psychology. From the Book of
Storms Series newsletter on Yahoo! Groups.
Certified Empath
100%
Potential Empath
88%
An Intuitive
75%
Unbonded Empath
56%
Not an Empath25%
I knew this result before taking the test, obviously. I have known it for many years that I really get what others
are feeling. Not by any rational process or guessing, but just feeling what they feel and then identifying theemotion in myself. That's why I always sense much more about the situations than most people. For example,
we're at a meeting, and when I discuss it later with someone else, they will concentrate on what was being
discussed and said. But I will also tell them "Yeah, that's interesting too, but did you see how person A reallyadmires person B or how person C resented the fact that person D was invited because he doesn't like him. And
all of the others are like "What are you talking about? What gave you that idea? I didn't notice anything." I justsense it, the feelings of people towards other people, and towards themselves.
That's one of the reasons why I do what I do for a living (I work in rehabilitation, with people with neurologicaldisorders). It helps me tremendously in my work because of course I do all the formal assessments and tests
and interviews but I have a strong hunch as soon as I see the person. I sense what they're going through andwhy, what their situation is, what their current mood is. I know when they're avoiding bringing up something
that's really bothering them and telling me things that are not that essential to them. I get the "OMG, how did
you know this was precisely what I was worried about" a lot, and while my education and experience is a major
factor obviously, it's also because of this ability. It's sort of like a short cut to their inner workings. And thetests and assessments are just for confirmation and because it's what I'm supposed to do. I have been wrong
about people, but only rarely, and I remember each of those cases because they leave me baffled.
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« Reply #28 - on: 26.03.2010 at 23:44 [UT] »Here's what it says about me:
You Scored as Certified Empath
You are a natural born Empath! You are haunted by the calling of "the others" and walk in silence between thebusy and the distracted. You qualify for certification by the School of Empath Psychology. From the Book of
Storms Series newsletter on Yahoo! Groups.

Certified Empath
88%
An Intuitive81%
Potential Empath
56%
Not an Empath
38%
Unbonded Empath
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« Reply #29 - on: 27.03.2010 at 00:00 [UT] »Quote from frosty moon maiden on 26.03.2010 at 19:34 [UT]:Soulsaver,I know that I am an empath...and i only scored 88 on the first two... intuitive 78 and 19 for not empathic... hmmm but basically the jest
was..I agree, I hold it back. To feel those feelings of others.. hurts badly and I dont know that I have developed a strong enough soul(lackof a better term) to keep from depression. I think you are on to something with ADD and HD.. my son was dx with such and while I reallydisagree with the dx.. I have to say he has lots of strong aspects... he isrising... so the oppos. me! It wasnt until I came

Aj Be ahere did i have an understanding on why he is the way he is..and how to adjust how I interact with him. I would be interested in what you
learn. He is very logical/philosophical and hates any kind of say Dr. Seuss Book..which I love.

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Gender:Hey frosty moon maiden!
My stepson has bAB LibRising and has had trouble all his life. His chart says that he is also quite intuitive,
but you wouldn't notice it in him. He also has lots of strong aspects and his life is going to be difficult. But
there is something about those kids. Just let your son call the shots sometimes.......Dr. Seuss books can be
annoying
We have to learn to accept anyone just the way they are...unconditional love. There is no right andwrong! No imperfect people! If you disagree with the dx then just ignore it, but let him be himself and don't
expect him to fit into a mold, because he won't!

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« Reply #30 - on: 27.03.2010 at 00:14 [UT] »Hi soulsaver (do you really save souls?

),

I try! Dont' always succeed though. Tried really hard a while back to save one, but she ended up killingherself on the 4th try. Wasn't for lack of trying on my part, so I let that one go even though it bugs me. She
was a beautiful soul, but weary of life and very suicidal and depressed (obviously).
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Gender:Your parents sound a lot like mine. I wasn't abused (or maybe I was, what is abuse anyway??), but I surely

wasn't nurtured either. I bear no grudges though, they did the best they could with what they had to give, andI never doubted they loved us...they were there, weren't they?
Well, I was definitely abused. While I don't hold a grudge either anymore, it is difficult to completely let go if
the pain has settled in your body and you ended up getting really sick from the stress. That's a biggie. But I do
understand why and am grateful for the lesson. My father is actually my biggest teacher.

Being a Cancer Sun you will probably identify with your emotional sensitivity...it is the core of who you are.
Yep!

I baulk at labels, they get my back up. They are too often used to separate some of us from the rest of us.
Either because the label makes them 'faulty' or because it makes them 'special'. Like I said, I think everyone issensitive (even your Mum, I bet deep down she thought she was and knew how dangerous it was to be thatway). I wonder if water signs just lack a container for their sensitivity.....water is impossible to control without acontainer of some kind. It's the old boundary problem.
But like everything this is both a gift and a curse.
[/quote]Yes, I don't like labels either. And my mother underneath is pretty sensitive, but having to live with my Dad'sabuse has made her shove her stuff deep down as well. My sisters and I joke that the carpet they sweep stuff
under is by now about 10feet tall! But it doesn't matter anymore. What matters is today and sometimes mytoday is not very rosy and I need to work at pulling myself up by the scruff of my neck to put one foot in frontof the other. Then if I can save another soul it's all worth it again
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« Reply #31 - on: 27.03.2010 at 00:19 [UT] »Quote from Eyesis on 26.03.2010 at 21:25 [UT]:
Very astute SoulSaver!!!!
As far as charts and systems aspects and all such that we relate or not to, it is always from our own perspective.
That's right, because that's all we got. I just wish we didn't forget all the stuff we learned in past lives. It would be so handy to know attimes...........

Thanx for the Encouragement. Math is like AAAAAAAAAAarrrrrrrrrrrrrggh!

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Gender:Don't know how you can do it. I'd despair. But like mentioned above...that's just me in my own two shoes.
Good luck again! Will keep everyone posted if my stupid unaspected Mars doesn't get in the way and preventsme from finishing what I started.

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« Reply #32 - on: 27.03.2010 at 00:24 [UT] »Quote from ScorpioMoonGirl on 26.03.2010 at 23:32 [UT]:That's one of the reasons why I do what I do for a living (I work in rehabilitation, with people with neurological disorders). It helps me
tremendously in my work because of course I do all the formal assessments and tests and interviews but I have a strong hunch as soon as
I see the person. I sense what they're going through and why, what their situation is, what their current mood is. I know when they're
avoiding bringing up something that's really bothering them and telling me things that are not that essential to them. I get the "OMG, how
did you know this was precisely what I was worried about" a lot, and while my education and experience is a major factor obviously, it'salso because of this ability. It's sort of like a short cut to their inner workings. And the tests and assessments are just for confirmation andbecause it's what I'm supposed to do. I have been wrong about people, but only rarely, and I remember each of those cases because they

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Thanks for posting your chart ScorpioMoonGirl!
Lovely to see how you use your empathy for healing!
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« Reply #33 - on: 27.03.2010 at 01:05 [UT] »Quote from soulsaver on 27.03.2010 at 00:00 [UT]:
Quote from frosty moon maiden on 26.03.2010 at 19:34 [UT]:Soulsaver,I know that I am an empath...and i only scored 88 on the first two... intuitive 78 and 19 for not empathic... hmmm but
basically the jest was..I agree, I hold it back. To feel those feelings of others.. hurts badly and I dont know that I havedeveloped a strong enough soul(lack of a better term) to keep from depression. I think you are on to something with ADD
and HD.. my son was dx with such and while I really disagree with the dx.. I have to say he has lots of strong aspects...
he is

Aj Be a rising... so the oppos. me! It wasnt until I came here did i have an understanding on why he is the way

he is..and how to adjust how I interact with him. I would be interested in what you learn. He is very logical/philosophicaland hates any kind of say Dr. Seuss Book..which I love.

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Gender:Hey frosty moon maiden!
My stepson has

bAB LibRising and has had trouble all his life. His chart says that he is also quite intuitive, but you wouldn't notice it inhim. He also has lots of strong aspects and his life is going to be difficult. But there is something about those kids. Just let your son callthe shots sometimes.......Dr. Seuss books can be annoying

We have to learn to accept anyone just the way they are...unconditional

love. There is no right and wrong! No imperfect people! If you disagree with the dx then just ignore it, but let him be himself and don't
expect him to fit into a mold, because he won't!

He is lovely, thank you SS... (odd those are my real initials!)... anyway.. can I let him do anything other thancall the shots? GADS! We are so much better now than when he was in grade school... but he still says to me,
Why do we just not always agree? I laugh... He is cappy..and well those familial instincts are kicking in..which iam thankful for! I dont fear for our relationship..he grounds me when I need it... and since i lack fire and earth(well I have very little of both) he does have both..and lots of fire.. so I let him.. he uses my water... to kewl off
his hot head!
I see so much Math convo...well be thankful you dont do your Math like I do..with neptune leading me... always
arrive at the correct answer...just not set up to get there... lol... I dont hate it.. just ug..the thought of having
to listen to why it shouldnt be correct... not that it was correct!
and BTW I did the equal house thing.. I think.. Koch? My houses didnt really change at all! Not really at all...
they look the same exactly. I look at them now without the change.. and they look equal width and size et al...
is that right?
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« Reply #34 - on: 27.03.2010 at 12:25 [UT] »Quote from Eyesis on 26.03.2010 at 17:05 [UT]:
I agree Pearl!!! No wonder I get along with you!! Me

Af you f rising!!

Of course you are 100% empathic.
I love your posts, they are so heartfelt yet light in spirit.
And you are a Blast!!

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BTW our As p each other. S'nice!
To empaths: transpersonal sensing, two-way feedback. Cleanse yourself, purify your being, make it your highest
priority to protect yourself from other's negativity, fill yourself up with light because when you do your light isstrongest and it heals others. Only isolate yourself for a while, don't feel like a stranger all your life, or yourhealing will be lost to the world that sorely needs it. Come out, suit up, and get into the world. Basically you
are linked in and aware of a field that is very subtle and anything that influences it spreads easily to others andthis in my view confers a responsibility to take care what you emit. And it's amazing to see what effect can be
had when you emit peace positivity and light. Be strengthened not weakened by your sensitivity.
I think I'm preaching to the converted here on astro...

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« Reply #35 - on: 27.03.2010 at 12:44 [UT] »hee hee, I'm certified too, coool!! "You are a natural born Empath! You are haunted by the calling of "theothers" and walk in silence between the busy and the distracted"

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« Reply #36 - on: 27.03.2010 at 13:19 [UT] »Heh, I'm another certifiable Virgo.

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« Reply #37 - on: 27.03.2010 at 17:59 [UT] »[quote author=Celes link=1269555313/20#23 date=1269634685]I was reading a study which linked guilt andempathy strongly together if some of you are interested, then scroll bit down the link there is an english
translation too.

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the new ones and little by little i began to forgive myself and now i'm really happy i'm around animals and ofcourse people.
At that time i was especially told by many people i'm too sensitive and i still am, but now i don't see it as aweakness like before.
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Hi Celes!
I apologize....for some reason I skipped your post (guilt?

)

Interesting link to this study, but the results would be anticipated since one would closely link empathy withstrong social behavior and the intent "to do what's right".
I think we simply come this way, so therefore it would be expected to fall apart when committing something weknow internally to be socially unacceptable such as stepping on your little friend.
I actually had something similar happen to me, but forgot about it. I had a turtle when I was little. Her namewas Lily and I dropped her from the counter on the tile floor and her shell broke and she died. I was also reallytorn apart over it, but also ashamed for having harmed her. I stuffed it deep down somewhere and almost
couldn't live with myself. I also knew that life was sacred, even as a small child and took it very serious.
However, those are important lessons for children to learn and that is why little kids get to play and take care ofsmall animals, so they can learn to bond, be responsible, kind and caring. They are not given little babies tocare for for a reason, so I think you can stop beating yourself up over it.
Your chart has lABC, as well as 9th hN in elevated position. Then you have ABoI, mB in 7th, F#in his
own sign Sag as well as I in the anaretic 29 degrees i. J is also anaretic.
I'd say very sensitive! Lot's of issues going on.
Chiron in Taurus or the Second House: Chiron in Taurus seeks comfort from physical material, money and sex.
They may have unusual sexual interests as a result of deprivation of appropriate physical affection or sexual
abuse in early childhood. Sometimes they become teachers or counselors, with the subject of interest related insome way to the aspect of life they felt deprived of in childhood. They can be powerful teachers of the lesson of"self-worth" if they can overcome their own self-esteem issues.
Chiron in Sagittarius or the Ninth House: Chiron placed in Sagittarius indicates a wounding or break with thetraditions or spiritual teachings in youth. These people find that life is one continuing spiritual crisis, and they
are often on the edge of spiritual thinking. They can be drawn to atheism on the one side or fundamentalismon the other, but regardless of what they may say, they are passionate "believers" of one sort or another - they
are almost never true agnostics. They are avid students and make excellent teachers.

AoI
Sun square or opposition Neptune
Those people born under a challenging aspect between the Sun and Neptune often struggle with a desire to besomething special or to experience something more than the ordinary. They are day-dreamers and idealists. It
is easy for these people to trust others, even (and perhaps especially) people who might seem from the outside
looking in as unsavory types. They are looking to identify with something beyond what is normally expected ofpeople.
These people are very sensitive, especially with regards to any real or imagined blows to their ego.
Mercury Square Neptune
The Square between Mercury and Neptune indicates that your imagination can at times overshadow your logicalthinking. Occasionally you may find it difficult to deal with the harsher realities of life, preferring to retreat to aworld of fantasy and daydreams where problems do not exist.
This tendency is probably the result of early experiences where you found that this was the only way you could
deal with life.
However, if you can control the negative side of this aspect, and be more realistic in your dealings with the realworld, you would do well in occupations such as art or writing, or any activity where you could give yourpowerful imagination its full sway.
'Nugh said.
Take good care of yourself!
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« Reply #38 - on: 27.03.2010 at 18:04 [UT] »Here is an interesting interview with Michael Jawer, an emotion researcher who specializes in HSP or empaths.
The book is highly recommended as it actually validates empathy scientifically. At least research IS taking
place!!!
I am following his research, but am expanding it to include astrology and other "out there" avenues.

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http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2009/10/10/emotions-and-sensitivity-an-int erview-withmichael-jawer/

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« Reply #39 - on: 27.03.2010 at 18:05 [UT] »Quote from butterflye on 27.03.2010 at 13:19 [UT]:Heh, I'm another certifiable Virgo.

ABCJ

Three!
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is?
Hey, I have a question for any 'empaths' out there. Although I sort of know how best to proceed these days,
what are people's experiences of dealing with situations where you can see d*** well another's pain, and issues,that they desperately want to resolve, and yet they can't/won't, and although you can see a way through,however much you stand there waving, 'this way, this way', you know it won't help? I'm not talking about
generally meddling in lots of people's affairs because that's not appropriate, but if, for instance, you've been
thrown together with someone who suffers but won't see it... what do you do?
Like I say, I'm beginning to answer this for myself now, and would be interested in seeing if anyone has similar
experiences... it's an interesting area...

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« Reply #40 - on: 27.03.2010 at 18:44 [UT] »Quote from soulsaver on 27.03.2010 at 00:24 [UT]:Thanks for posting your chart ScorpioMoonGirl!
Lovely to see how you use your empathy for healing!

Thank you soulsaver. I love my work above anything else. And, since you mentioned studying Psychology, I
might as well reveal that I am one too
Something from the link in your first post made me remember something:
Quote:
People of all walks of life and animals are attracted to the warmth and genuine compassion of empaths. Regardless of whether others areaware of one being empathic, people are drawn to them as a metal object is to a magnet! They are like beacons of light.

This is so funny. People who need help and assistance are always drawn to me. It amuses me sometimes. It
doesn't even need to be anything big. For example, I am standing at the bus stop with 10 other people.
Someone comes and I can see straight away that they need the time. They look around them, spare a casualglance at everyone, and then they'll come to me to ask for the time. Always to me. This is so funny. Just theother day, I was going to work, and this old lady who was almost blind, was asking me if I can help her find theentrance to a house she needed to go to. it seems to happen with older people especially, they'll pick me out ofmany who could help them. Usually I know it in advance. And these are strangers who have no idea that I am a
psychologist.
As for what Pearl Diver just asked, it's something I've struggled with all my life. It's torment. Because I feel
their anguish and pain and may know what needs to be done to make them feel better but the person going
through these problems won't see it. It's torment because I feel it too and thus can't exactly ignore it.
Sometimes all it takes is time - you can tell them but they'll eventually come to the same realization later on,
and then they'll come to you and ask for help. Sometimes you can't help them, and that hurts a lot. I
remember all of these people. Not because I need to be right or need to be perfect but because humansuffering is just something that I can't be indifferent about. Especially needless suffering. There's too muchsuffering in this world.
The biggest issue has always been my Dad. He's suffering from major depression from time to time. I have a
hard time coping with that, seeing him in pain.
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« Reply #41 - on: 27.03.2010 at 19:32 [UT] »Here is my chart. I took the test (empathic, 88%, intuitive). I just begining to study astrology, but I readthat O n N 6h, I h, M l , and chiron in aspect with True nodes, shows intuitionin a chart. I also have(aspects with both true nodes and chiron and Uranus) a grand cross pattern in my chart. I am a balanced
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Ex Member« Reply #42 - on: 27.03.2010 at 19:46 [UT] »Quote from Pearl Diver on 27.03.2010 at 18:05 [UT]:
Quote from butterflye on 27.03.2010 at 13:19 [UT]:Heh, I'm another certifiable Virgo.

ABCJ
Three!
Your

ACJ are m are they not? Penetrating! I bet you know what others are thinking before they do. Fun isn't is?

Sun is too far away. It's at the earlier degrees of Virgo and widely conjunct my Leo Mars. My Moon, Mercury, &Pluto are conjunct though & also forming a conjunction to my Uranus in Libra as well as a sextile to Neptune in
Scorpio in 8th house. I don't know if it's thoughts I pick up exactly, but I'm definitely a good reader of energy.
I can pinpoint someone's intentions almost immediately, can sense what they're feeling, their fears, inhibitions,the games they're playing, the lies they tell to themselves and others. I can see into people like a lazer and canpretty much pinpoint the entire working of their ego. The only time this is *off* for me is if there's a personal
involvement that skews my objectivity, which sometimes happens but not for long.
I feel for people deeply. With Neptune in 8th in Scorpio, I naturally merge with others to where the distinction
between "me" and "them" is blurred. It's very easy for me to connect to compassion for everyone, as if they're
all my "family". But I'm also strong, and even though I feel empathy I don't just automatically support
someone's egoic dramas. I can remain objective. Violence and cruelty pains me to the core. Watching anothersuffer feels like it's happening to me. Also.. feelings like revenge are foreign to me. I can't bear to hurt
someone, regardless of whether they themselves attempted to inflict pain.
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Hey, I have a question for any 'empaths' out there. Although I sort of know how best to proceed these days, what are people's
experiences of dealing with situations where you can see d*** well another's pain, and issues, that they desperately want to resolve, andyet they can't/won't, and although you can see a way through, however much you stand there waving, 'this way, this way', you know it
won't help? I'm not talking about generally meddling in lots of people's affairs because that's not appropriate, but if, for instance, you've
been thrown together with someone who suffers but won't see it... what do you do?

I've been there, Pearl Diver. This is one of the hardest things ever, I think. At some point we have to recognizethat people have to find their own truths. Because mental/intellectual knowledge of something is not the sameas getting it on a deeper gut level. So oftentimes telling someone "hey this is what's going on with you"doesn't help, largely because there isn't that level of readiness on their part. Love sometimes means waiting
patiently and giving someone the space to experience their own path, which may contain suffering. Oftensuffering is the best teacher. And then when the hard shell of the ego is cracked just enough to let in the light,
our words may indeed be helpful. Practicing discernment and tuning into to guidance lets us know when to
speak and when to remain quiet. This is a constant lesson for me, and I still make mistakes.
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« Reply #45 - on: 27.03.2010 at 21:03 [UT] »Unbonded empath 100%

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upset/disturbed without knowing why blah, blah, blah...but I grew up in a time when being the slightest bit
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« Reply #46 - on: 27.03.2010 at 21:37 [UT] »Hi Butterflye,
I agree, it's best not to get too involved.
With clear positive intent it's possible to call forth healing energy in visualisation for such people. You can't
force anything, but I have experienced wonderful effects lately from having a clear picture in my head of themas I know them at their most fulfilled. Sustain this indefinitely without allowing youself to worry about them,and it has a very real effect.
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and a little rumbling around the solar plexus...
I share this because it has had a positive effect in this person's situation, and I feel so much relief. It's notrocket science either. In fact, it's just believing in someone really. This is why I believe it's really important not
to take on other's pain.
Or when you do, make it your priority to ditch it for them and for you. Maybe that's the point of being an
empathic kind of person, we can handle this stuff...?

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« Reply #47 - on: 28.03.2010 at 03:16 [UT+1] »Quote from Pearl Diver on 27.03.2010 at 18:05 [UT]:
Quote from butterflye on 27.03.2010 at 13:19 [UT]:Heh, I'm another certifiable Virgo.

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ACJ are m are they not? Penetrating! I bet you know what others are thinking before they do. Fun isn't is?

Hey, I have a question for any 'empaths' out there. Although I sort of know how best to proceed these days, what are people's
experiences of dealing with situations where you can see d*** well another's pain, and issues, that they desperately want to resolve, andyet they can't/won't, and although you can see a way through, however much you stand there waving, 'this way, this way', you know it
won't help? I'm not talking about generally meddling in lots of people's affairs because that's not appropriate, but if, for instance, you've
been thrown together with someone who suffers but won't see it... what do you do?
Like I say, I'm beginning to answer this for myself now, and would be interested in seeing if anyone has similar experiences... it's aninteresting area...

I know exactly what you mean here Pearl Diver, and I have struggled to work out what to do too. It's always
hard for me to resist preaching my views and giving advise.....but as I'm sure you know, it is never helpful todo that.
So I think all you can do is LISTEN without judgement, affirm their feelings (however crazy they are), and ask
questions, like what they feel their choices are.......but mainly just listen. I learned when I was doing work for
the Samaritans, that the question; 'how does that make you feel?' is great for getting people to start reallytalking.....and sometimes it's hard to get them to stop!
Realisations and solutions are never effective unless the person comes to them themselves. Unfortunately somepeople never do, however patient and compassionate you are with them. Then I just tell myself that its all as itis meant to be, and try to let go.
Oh, and I have also noticed I am far less helpful to someone when I feel desperate about their pain (and I canfeel it in my gut then, rather than my heart). It's hard to be accepting of someone when I'm in that state, andacceptance is what is needed.
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Ex Member« Reply #48 - on: 28.03.2010 at 03:37 [UT+1] »Quote from Pearl Diver on 27.03.2010 at 21:37 [UT]:With clear positive intent it's possible to call forth healing energy in visualisation for such people. You can't force anything, but I haveexperienced wonderful effects lately from having a clear picture in my head of them as I know them at their most fulfilled. Sustain thisindefinitely without allowing youself to worry about them, and it has a very real effect.

This is beautiful, Pearl Diver. I often pray for people, use visualizations (often with color), and send absentee
Reiki healings. Generally I just extend a loving intent to bless, not for any particular outcome, as I'm too
ignorant to know what's truly best for someone.
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But keep it clean. Any manipulation will catch you out. If your prone to instant karma this may come as guilt, and a little rumbling aroundthe solar plexus...

Yes, I understand this. My precise Virgo-ness will tolerate nothing less than "clean" intent.
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Maybe that's the point of being an empathic kind of person, we can handle this stuff...?

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« Reply #51 - on: 28.03.2010 at 05:27 [UT+1] »Who else is a healer here if I may ask! Reiki etc?
I am sticking my hand up here!

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« Reply #53 - on: 28.03.2010 at 05:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Lynne on 28.03.2010 at 03:16 [UT+1]:

Hey, I have a question for any 'empaths' out there. Although I sort of know how best to proceed these days, what are people's
experiences of dealing with situations where you can see d*** well another's pain, and issues, that they desperately want to resolve, andyet they can't/won't, and although you can see a way through, however much you stand there waving, 'this way, this way', you know it
won't help? I'm not talking about generally meddling in lots of people's affairs because that's not appropriate, but if, for instance, you've
been thrown together with someone who suffers but won't see it... what do you do?

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You guys are wonderful and so attuned to the reality of what we can actually achieve.
It's a real kicker when you feel that someone is beyond help. It makes me so sad, but I accept the fact that
there is free will and everyone has the right to make their own choices.
Pearl Diver and butterflye........you hit the nail on the head, but I know that unconditional love can often help
activate a change and put a person on a healing path. The simple act of listening is extremely helpful and really
all that is needed. Even if you have the magic words to help another person, more than likely they may noteven hear you unless they are where you are on their journey. Often in therapeutic settings the counselor gets
exactly those clients who have the same issues they have. I for one am always just half a step ahead of thegame and the universe always sends me enough learning in order to help the next person that approaches me.

I am not even a psychologist yet, but still, people come to me as well. And it is usually that through my own
hard-earned truth that I am able to help. A friend of my best friends killed herself recently and my girlfriend
asked if I could help out and help "save" her. I arranged for hospitalization, a psychiatrist, we even sent her to a
medium and despite all of the effort, she still killed herself. Worst of all, I knew that this would happen fromthe get-go and I counseled my best friend about getting too overly invested in this situation, but she wouldn't
listen.
In the end, she wanted to die and you must respect that. It was her wish and what she wanted and no amountof cajoling was helpful...so you have to let go and accept each person's wishes. We don't ever know how muchpain a soul experienced and what they have gone through, so to judge them is to judge ourselves and that
doesn't go along with the unconditional love we are capable of.
I recently read a book by Robert Schwartz called "The Soul's Plan" and it made me realize how deep certain
issues go and how little we actually know about why people do their dysfunctional stuff. through past life
regression you get wonderful insights into the "big picture" and therefore enable a person to move forward. But
yes, ALL the work must be done by the individual themselves and we can only facilitate and listen. Very few will
actually come to you and ask for advice. I was one of those who asked and lo-and-behold wasn't given theanswers, but had to figure things out myself as well. Go figure!
But it is a hard journey and I am sending all of you brave souls a big hug and a thank you for being there forothers!

Stay in the light!

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« Reply #54 - on: 28.03.2010 at 05:48 [UT+1] »Anghellic....what an interesting chart!
Would you mind sharing a bit how you live it? I wonder if it is as peaceful as what it looks

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« Reply #55 - on: 28.03.2010 at 05:49 [UT+1] »Quote from Evolving on 28.03.2010 at 05:35 [UT+1]:
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Cool! What do you do? Reiki? Energy Medicine, Energy Psychology etc?

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« Reply #56 - on: 28.03.2010 at 06:21 [UT+1] »I know my way around a body... not schooled in massage however have the touch.
Reiki, deeksha, great listener (too much so!)
I am a healer in many ways. I've realized 'my service' ability crosses boundaries, getting me into trouble.
My 7h AmF I identify with others too readily. An empath trait, seeing the other's shoes with a big heart.
My chart is healer oriented...counseling, writing
Some people just talk to me. I have 'the knowing' answers come from out of nowhere. (higher self hearing)
I'm in a bit of a 'y' in the road...I need to choose a purposeful path that lends healing for others and graces mein return.
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« Reply #57 - on: 28.03.2010 at 21:43 [UT+1] »Your thoughts are so enlightening to read soulsaver
I now feel like there's still so much for me to learn and it feels quite exciting. I feel that I can do so much more
for people when I refine my skills and learn. All of the posts in this thread from everyone have been great forme. I feel like I am still at the beginning of a journey and though I don't know where it'll take me, it's going to
be great
P.S. What aspects or placements make you prone to being empathic? Some of you have already pointed out
some of it but I need to know more
I noticed I have my Ip my ACDE, and my I is in i. Can this explain it a bit, when added to the natural
intuitive and people reading skills of my hB and Asc? At least I get this idea when reading Cafeastrology.com
and taking out parts of the descriptions of the I trines:
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Mars trine Neptune: You are highly perceptive and can detect insincerity or dishonesty in others. Because you are kind and sympathetic,others come to you with their problems and you always have a patient ear. You have the ability to balance your needs for both spiritual
growth and physical achievement and can usually manage to do both simultaneously.
You have a good understanding of the "give and take" of life and are sensitive to the needs of others. Anything that will benefit society as
a whole has your approval. You would find satisfaction in a career that allows you to touch the lives of others.

So this must partly explain why I never felt as assertive and bold as my aE would otherwise suggest? I
making it softer with its touch? If so, I thank my I
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Mercury trine Neptune: You are open and receptive to subjects which defy rational explanation, such as psychic phenomena, mental
telepathy, metaphysics, etc., and you could teach these subjects to others.

Quote:Sun trine Neptune: These people are naturally compassionate, especially those born under the trine. It is so completely natural for them toaccept that there is more to the world than what is before their eyes, that they tend to presume everyone must be spiritually-inclined.
Their attraction to spirituality and metaphysical subjects is usually marked.
These people are sensitive to those who are suffering, although they are not as easily taken advantage of as those with Sun-Moonchallenging aspects. They are humanitarian and often have a special connection with animals.

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« Reply #58 - on: 29.03.2010 at 06:31 [UT+1] »Quote from ScorpioMoonGirl on 28.03.2010 at 21:43 [UT+1]:
Your thoughts are so enlightening to read soulsaver
I now feel like there's still so much for me to learn and it feels quite exciting. I feel that I can do so much more for people when I refine
my skills and learn. All of the posts in this thread from everyone have been great for me. I feel like I am still at the beginning of ajourney and though I don't know where it'll take me, it's going to be great

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ScorpioMoonGirl!
Thanks you for your encouragement. I am blushing!!! I don't really have a lot of people to share my stuff with,
so I am willingly sharing online. And then in my book eventually, when I get through all that research.
In terms of your aspects.......I went through the charts and as far as I am concerned there is not ONE single
marker that will show if you are sensitive. There are many indicators, but they must all be taken together toindicate the degree of your sensitivity. I think what you will have to do...and you started that already...is tomake a compilation of all your aspects or order a computerized chart from astro.com, which will save you somework. But even then, there is no substitute for a proper astrologer who will give you an overview of the entire
chart and how it's all connected. Computerized printouts don't do that. While they are enlightening, they are
not the full meal deal! It's not just one thing, but a number of factors that contribute to make us the way weare and we all get it from different planets and different houses. If it were that easy to figure out I suppose it
would have already been figured out. However, I am waiting for a major brainfart to hit me soon and then I'll
get it! (I guess wishful thinking is somewhere in my chart as well, along with confabulations and a healthy
imagination!!!!!)
One thing though I found very interesting. I have Jupiter in my 6th house in c, which according to medical
astrology shows an exaggeration(F) of the sense of smell (c) and in my case it indicates that I can smell
nearly everything, which I can, because I am super-sensitive to smells. That being said.........I must cease as I
hab a very bab cold and my nobe is dribbing on de keyboard! We'll chat some more later! No smell right now.
Nada! So, I think I will look further in medical astrology under allergies and such.
Hope I don't pass this virus on to you folks
comes............................har, har,har!!!!!

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« Reply #59 - on: 29.03.2010 at 06:49 [UT+1] »Just as an aside, I don't recall seeing anyone mention the difference between Empathy and Sympathy on thisthread.
I am studying Counselling and was reading a text book today that briefly mentioned this. So I thought I'dquote it here;
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Empathy is not however the same as sympathy. Empathy means that the counsellor understands your feelings, but remains detached fromtheir direct experience for you. Where there is sympathy (by contrast), a counsellor may......experience the same feelings as the client
and become so personally affected that the client feels suffocated. But empathy is different - it means that the counsellor does notexperience those feelings directly, but knows what you are going through and allows you to express it.
You, as the client, will soon know whether your counsellor has empathy or not. If she or he does not, you will have the feeling you arenever getting through, that you cannot make yourself clear.

This is something I was trying to say earlier. If you are feeling the other persons pain it doesn't give them muchroom to express it....because the other person then has, not just his own feelings to deal with, but now yours
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AutumnAquamarine« Reply #60 - on: 29.03.2010 at 07:08 [UT+1] »MemberQuote from soulsaver on 28.03.2010 at 05:48 [UT+1]:
Anghellic....what an interesting chart!
Would you mind sharing a bit how you live it? I wonder if it is as peaceful as what it looks

Hi Soulsaver
To be honest my abilities seem to work on a random basis
Still searching for a place to hang my hat.
Tuning in to other peoples emotions is what naturally comes easy to me.
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discovered that this wasn't true and that I had an ability to feel the emotions of others.
These days I try to avoid staying around too many people at once because I get totally overwhelmed and it
drives me up the wall.
I am quite good at feeling out the intent behind a person's words or writing. As far as intuition goes I'm notquite sure yet, can't put my finger down on that one.
I find most people are comfortable around me and speak openly about themselves and their emotions. I am
always the listener.
Overall I guess I am best described as being my draconic A in d (felt like I had to add that).
For me life has always been chaotic but at the centre of it all my heart has managed to remain strong and calm.
I hope that all helps to understand my chart a bit.
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« Reply #61 - on: 29.03.2010 at 18:57 [UT+1] »Quote from Lynne on 29.03.2010 at 06:49 [UT+1]:
Just as an aside, I don't recall seeing anyone mention the difference between Empathy and Sympathy on this thread.
I am studying Counselling and was reading a text book today that briefly mentioned this. So I thought I'd quote it here;
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Empathy is not however the same as sympathy. Empathy means that the counsellor understands your feelings, but remains
detached from their direct experience for you. Where there is sympathy (by contrast), a counsellor may......experience thePosts: 215
Gender:same feelings as the client and become so personally affected that the client feels suffocated. But empathy is different - itmeans that the counsellor does not experience those feelings directly, but knows what you are going through and allows
you to express it.
You, as the client, will soon know whether your counsellor has empathy or not. If she or he does not, you will have thefeeling you are never getting through, that you cannot make yourself clear.

This is something I was trying to say earlier. If you are feeling the other persons pain it doesn't give them much room to express
it....because the other person then has, not just his own feelings to deal with, but now yours too!

Good point Lynne! That is why it is so important to get a handle on where all those feelings come from,because if you are so busy feeling what others feel on top of your own feelings it becomes a jumble and a mess.
Empath training entails learning how to sort out your stuff from that of others and learn how to process it so it
doesn't affect you. It's a skill that can be honed. Just like a psychic, who hears voices, can feel almost psychotic
without understanding what is going on, an empath becomes overwhelmed by the multitude of feelings hitting
them all the time. It's the detachment from it all that is critical. When empaths become overly attached toothers problems boundaries mesh and blend. With proper insight and training one can recognize their own
boundaries despite still receiving energetic information about another person. Grounding is very important foran empath and so is the understanding that we can act as a vehicle to allow the information through us inorder to read it to obtain important clues, but that we must send it THROUGH us and not take it into ourbodies. Becoming more aware of our senses and how they work is important.
It's all about how it's processed. I can sympathize with someone, but then I am not able to help them. If I haveunconditional love for them it is easier, but FIRST I must learn how to love myself unconditionally. When I get aread on someone, it usually doesn't make me upset. It just is and I note it and let it pass through and ask if
there is anything else I need to know. If yes, the info will come and I pass it along (only after checking to see if
it is wanted and in the person's best interest!). Most information we get is not wanted, so one has to be careful
how it is presented. But that's stuff for another post! At least in the counseling context one is assured that theother person is there to learn, so that is different.
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« Reply #62 - on: 29.03.2010 at 20:36 [UT+1] »Quote from soulsaver on 29.03.2010 at 06:31 [UT+1]:
In terms of your aspects.......I went through the charts and as far as I am concerned there is not ONE single marker that will show if you
are sensitive. There are many indicators, but they must all be taken together to indicate the degree of your sensitivity. I think what you
will have to do...and you started that already...is to make a compilation of all your aspects or order a computerized chart from astro.com,
which will save you some work. But even then, there is no substitute for a proper astrologer who will give you an overview of the entire
chart and how it's all connected. Computerized printouts don't do that. While they are enlightening, they are not the full meal deal! It's
not just one thing, but a number of factors that contribute to make us the way we are and we all get it from different planets anddifferent houses.

That is of course right. A computerized chart is just a list of all the possible aspects but they won't tell you
which ones are more important and influencial than the others, and how they interact. And of course it can't bejust one thing. I didn't mean it that way. I meant what are the different things that can make you more prone
to empathy than others? It's the same with any other trait - you also can't take just one thing and say that thisis responsible for being above average intelligent, for example. It's always a combination of many different
genes, your upbringing, your family's socio-economic status, your schooling, and also a bit of luck. It depends
on many different variables and their interactions.
Anyway, I think I'll do it myself, compile the list. My chart makes much more sense to me in equal housesystem but astro.com sends you the Placidus chart. I've slowly started to copy the descriptions of my aspects,
signs and houses to a document, to see what comes out of it. I'm just taking it slowly, one step at a time.
Today, I've been reading about my e North Node and it seems to really be so true. Now, if only I knew how to
get there eventually, to live my North Node
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Empathy is not however the same as sympathy. Empathy means that the counsellor understands your feelings, but remains detached fromtheir direct experience for you.
This is something I was trying to say earlier. If you are feeling the other persons pain it doesn't give them much room to express
it....because the other person then has, not just his own feelings to deal with, but now yours too!

Again, very true. This is one of the most important things when learning psychology, counselling or therapy.
Once you take it all in and make your client responsible for your feelings, you can't help them. Then you begin
to hurt them. This isn't easy to explain but what I try to do is visualize closing the door or gate when I leave
work every day. Like I lock up not only my office but also myself - as soon as I leave, I don't think about the
problems and feelings I've heard that day. This doesn't mean I don't care about my clients, I do. It's just thatafter work, you are you, not your job, and you need to do things that give you new energy so you can give itback to the people you're trying to help the next day. I am not too good with words today because I am a bit
tired but that sort of sums it up.
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