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astrodd
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« on: 06.07.2012 at 14:20 [UT+1] »Do you think there's such a thing as being born under bad stars, aspects or planets? In my own particular case( far from being destitute or homeless ) nothing has ever worked out for me professionally or romantically, andI seem to have an image deficit where I'm overlooked or regarded as inferior by others.

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I've never thrived in any workplace or been able to attract friends who'd seek my company out socially.

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« Reply #1 - on: 06.07.2012 at 14:43 [UT+1] »I believe that all charts show struggle and strife somewhere, and I do not believe in terrible charts that cannot
be moderated.
Do you care to post your chart and we can focus on one of these aspects?
One thing I would say now is to drop any "the world is against me" mindsets. Astrology does not work this way.
If there are stresses and difficulties within the chart we should be able to pick up on them and then hopefullysome posters may give little bits of advice or help or understanding or insight on the issue.
My own little bit of advice would be that nothing changes by itself, chances are you'll have to change a
behaviour or habit or attitude. Do you think you'd be capable or happy to do this?
Let's post your chart and see what we can see?
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« Reply #2 - on: 06.07.2012 at 21:36 [UT+1] »I can certainly relate to you in some ways feeling your chart may be bad in some manner....i have questioned
mine a time or two.
Unfortunately i dont have any answers to this.
peace...
Artzy
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« Reply #3 - on: 07.07.2012 at 04:38 [UT+1] »I don't believe in bad charts, planets or signs or aspects.
I think humanity has a tendency to project value judgments on them though for their own reasons.
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« Reply #4 - on: 07.07.2012 at 09:52 [UT+1] »Quote from _Paul_ on 06.07.2012 at 14:43 [UT+1]:
I believe that all charts show struggle and strife somewhere, and I do not believe in terrible charts that cannot be moderated.

I don't believe all charts have equal amount of struggle. Honestly, sometimes I can't get rid of my envy, when
I'm thinking that others have it better than me.

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« Reply #5 - on: 07.07.2012 at 12:13 [UT+1] »Quote from Venus in 8th house on 07.07.2012 at 09:52 [UT+1]:
Quote from _Paul_ on 06.07.2012 at 14:43 [UT+1]:
I believe that all charts show struggle and strife somewhere, and I do not believe in terrible charts that cannot be
moderated.

I don't believe all charts have equal amount of struggle. Honestly, sometimes I can't get rid of my envy, when I'm
thinking that others have it better than me.

I do.
Like, if the chart has planets in fall or on critical degrees, or planets in certain houses that they really don't dothat well in...or if the chart has energies that don't really work together well... my chart is like that...a lot of
Libra and 7th house activity, but at the same time, there's a strong Uranian/Aquarian streak in there too...those
don't even work right together. How are you gonna value and want relationships with people so much but half
the time you wanna bail...or you're too 'weird' for them?
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« Reply #6 - on: 07.07.2012 at 14:30 [UT+1] »MemberQuote from Squirrel on 07.07.2012 at 12:13 [UT+1]:
Quote from Venus in 8th house on 07.07.2012 at 09:52 [UT+1]:
Quote from _Paul_ on 06.07.2012 at 14:43 [UT+1]:
I believe that all charts show struggle and strife somewhere, and I do not believe in terrible charts thatcannot be moderated.

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Gender:I don't believe all charts have equal amount of struggle. Honestly, sometimes I can't get rid of myenvy, when I'm thinking that others have it better than me.

I do.
Like, if the chart has planets in fall or on critical degrees, or planets in certain houses that they really don't do that well in...or if the chart
has energies that don't really work together well... my chart is like that...a lot of Libra and 7th house activity, but

at the same time, there's a strong Uranian/Aquarian streak in there too...those don't even work
right together. How are you gonna value and want relationships with people so much but half thetime you wanna bail...or you're too 'weird' for them?

As an aside I was reading Idemon's book this week and he points out that Libra is an airsign, and airsigns liketo separate and create space (as opposed to water's need to get closer and merge). He makes the point that fora marriage to be successful you need both partners to be individuals - which is why Libra is the 'ruler' of close
relationships.
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« Reply #7 - on: 08.07.2012 at 13:51 [UT+1] »Blombido--Yes, that's why I asked, so we could let the webmaster know about a glitch in the system.

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« Reply #8 - on: 08.07.2012 at 13:55 [UT+1] »Quote from blombido on 08.07.2012 at 12:36 [UT+1]:
I like the idea of folks getting their own chart in front of them in the context of this thread, synchronicity or more likely a rational
explanation.

It's 'trolling made into an art form.
Every member who clicks on the link gets their own chart. So, (according to astrodd's opening post) we all cansay of ourselves :nothing has ever worked out for me professionally or romantically, and I seem to have an image deficit where
I'm overlooked or regarded as inferior by others.
I've never thrived in any workplace or been able to attract friends who'd seek my company out socially.
Hence ...Those of us who study astrology = Those of us who are social misfits.
EJ

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« Reply #9 - on: 08.07.2012 at 16:26 [UT+1] »It isn't an error. When you copy the link to the chart into your message, it links to a corresponding location in
the chart collection of the person clicking the link, not the original chart. To add a chart that you have viewed
in the current session use the "Attach" selector at the bottom of the page when you compose the msg (or add
it if it's still editable).
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« Reply #10 - on: 08.07.2012 at 16:46 [UT+1] »you can also save the chart to your computer. then click "browse" in the message window > "open" > "post"
and it's posted.
cheers!

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« Reply #11 - on: 08.07.2012 at 17:01 [UT+1] »have this now,

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« Reply #12 - on: 09.07.2012 at 09:43 [UT+1] »astrodd, if you can, you should leave England and go far to the West or to the East in order to decrease thestress of Neptune-Moon-Sun T-Square.

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« Reply #13 - on: 09.07.2012 at 11:35 [UT+1] »Quote from Squirrel on 07.07.2012 at 12:13 [UT+1]:
I do.
Like, if the chart has planets in fall or on critical degrees, or planets in certain houses that they really don't do that well in...or if the chart
has energies that don't really work together well... my chart is like that...a lot of Libra and 7th house activity, but at the same time,
there's a strong Uranian/Aquarian streak in there too...those don't even work right together. How are you gonna value and wantrelationships with people so much but half the time you wanna bail...or you're too 'weird' for them?

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Squirrel, I don't think that Libra has it easier than other signs. In fact, I have nothing in Libra, but it seems
completely normal to me that you want relationships and some distance at the same time, in my opinion,
that's nothing weird.

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« Reply #14 - on: 09.07.2012 at 11:48 [UT+1] »Quote from Venus in 8th house on 07.07.2012 at 09:52 [UT+1]:
Quote from _Paul_ on 06.07.2012 at 14:43 [UT+1]:
I believe that all charts show struggle and strife somewhere, and I do not believe in terrible charts that cannot be
moderated.

I don't believe all charts have equal amount of struggle. Honestly, sometimes I can't get rid of my envy, when I'm thinking that others
have it better than me.

Is this because of the chart? Or because of you? The chart is not the person. The map is not the territory.
No chart is without struggle or strife. I do not believe in terrible charts. That does not mean that all people
struggle equally.
The better question isn't "why is this chart causing me so much struggle" as "why am I struggling with this, letme get insight from my chart".
The blame isn't in the chart - we do not struggle cos we have a 'bad chart', we struggle for other reasons andthose reasons can sometimes be seen from the chart. Someone may have many trines and still struggle.
Someone else with loads of squares may not struggle.
We can never divine free will and how the person utilises the chart. I've seen people with terribly afflicted
planets whose lives are full of struggle and difficulty and others with similarly affected planets who are calm,
content and happy with their lot.
Desire is the root of our struggles - we desire a thing, we attach importance to that thing, that thing is denied
us or we cannot achieve it, and we feel stressed and we struggle.
Any chart, no matter how many squares or oppositions or afflicted planet, will not tell us how well the person
has learned this simple truth. A person who learns to unattach from the illusion of achieving outward'satisfaction' and looks inward will learn to overcome their chart. Some people learn this quicker than others,some people never learn it.
But to say that the chart dictates how much a person will struggle is illusory for me. But we all have our own
ideas and approaches and philosophies which in turn shape our understanding of astrology. Mine is that thechart describes.
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« Reply #15 - on: 09.07.2012 at 11:51 [UT+1] »i read somewhere that the stars rule our nature but not our will.

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« Reply #16 - on: 09.07.2012 at 11:52 [UT+1] »Quote from Venus in 8th house on 09.07.2012 at 11:35 [UT+1]:
Quote from Squirrel on 07.07.2012 at 12:13 [UT+1]:
I do.
Like, if the chart has planets in fall or on critical degrees, or planets in certain houses that they really don't do that wellin...or if the chart has energies that don't really work together well... my chart is like that...a lot of Libra and 7th house
activity, but at the same time, there's a strong Uranian/Aquarian streak in there too...those don't even work right together.
How are you gonna value and want relationships with people so much but half the time you wanna bail...or you're too'weird' for them?

Squirrel, I don't think that Libra has it easier than other signs. In fact, I have nothing in Libra, but it seems completely normal to me thatyou want relationships and some distance at the same time, in my opinion, that's nothing weird.

I don't think you understand Squirrel's point.
She is saying that stress/conflict can arise when the chart juxtaposes two opposing 'needs' or desires. She uses
her own chart as an example. It has a lot of 7th house/Libra activity which suggests 'coupling' andinterdependance - but this is juxtaposed against a strong uranian/aquarian streak which suggests independenceetc - conflict arises because these are opposing views, almost dichotomies, which are attempting to be merged.

She has not said Libra is easier.
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« Reply #17 - on: 09.07.2012 at 11:57 [UT+1] »Quote from chang*ling on 09.07.2012 at 11:51 [UT+1]:
i read somewhere that the stars rule our nature but not our will.

I like to see the chart as describing the direction and inclination of particular habits or expectations or
attachments. It's very much like a river - it's like a current which 'naturally' is inclined toward running aparticular way. You, on a boat, want or desire to move in a particular direction, sometimes that can be against
the current - it is a struggle to overcome the inclinations of the river's current sometimes, however, withpractice, we get better at it. To the person who is incredibly strong or practiced at this, they can navigate theriver with ease. To the person who has always sat huddled in the boat and not tried to steer it themselves, they
are unpracticed or less strong, and so when they try to alter their course later, they find they cannot.
In the psychological approach, the chart is just the description of these inclinations or directions, not all rivers
have quite so strong a current of course, but what we cannot tell is how often the person has, from birth,
attempted to overcome the natural inclinations when they've wanted to, nor whether they even should. It's adifficult philosophical question.
However it relates to the idea that the stars incline, they do not compel. The chart shows inclinations, but
inclinations can be overcome with the right mindset and with practice. Not always, but often enough.
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« Reply #18 - on: 09.07.2012 at 12:05 [UT+1] »I believe that we all have tough aspects in our charts.
I have G m A in my b 8th and o my 5th k B and also p my 12th f J.
Mr G is very hard on me BUT I have realized that those hard times I've gone through in my life (and believeme, when I say hard, I mean and there have been plenty of them too), have always in the longterm been
for the best and those hard times have made me a much stronger and better person.
I do look back now and think "Blimey, how the hell did I get through that" and "I'm so glad I went through that
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because of blah, blah, blah"
In fact, I actually love my Mr G now and I just ride it out and go along with him as I know he is working in mybest interests and he will reward me greatly when I have learnt the lesson he has wanted to teach me.

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« Reply #19 - on: 09.07.2012 at 14:07 [UT+1] »Quote from chang*ling on 09.07.2012 at 11:51 [UT+1]:
i read somewhere that the stars rule our nature but not our will.

And our nature rules our will...

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« Reply #20 - on: 09.07.2012 at 14:21 [UT+1] »Quote from Venus in 8th house on 09.07.2012 at 14:07 [UT+1]:
Quote from chang*ling on 09.07.2012 at 11:51 [UT+1]:
i read somewhere that the stars rule our nature but not our will.

And our nature rules our will...

when young yes, but with discipline and being goal orientated, one can overcome the natural tendencies we are
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born with. take a child that is hungry, it will immediately respond from this natural impulse of wanting to befed, but when we get older, we can delay the gratification and overcome the rule.

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« Reply #21 - on: 09.07.2012 at 18:46 [UT+1] »Born under bad planets or signs ?.

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« Reply #22 - on: 09.07.2012 at 19:41 [UT+1] »Quote from _Paul_ on 09.07.2012 at 11:52 [UT+1]:
Quote from Venus in 8th house on 09.07.2012 at 11:35 [UT+1]:
Quote from Squirrel on 07.07.2012 at 12:13 [UT+1]:
I do.
Like, if the chart has planets in fall or on critical degrees, or planets in certain houses that they really don't
do that well in...or if the chart has energies that don't really work together well... my chart is like that...alot of Libra and 7th house activity, but at the same time, there's a strong Uranian/Aquarian streak in there
too...those don't even work right together. How are you gonna value and want relationships with people somuch but half the time you wanna bail...or you're too 'weird' for them?

Squirrel, I don't think that Libra has it easier than other signs. In fact, I have nothing in Libra, but it seems completely
normal to me that you want relationships and some distance at the same time, in my opinion, that's nothing weird.

I don't think you understand Squirrel's point.
She is saying that stress/conflict can arise when the chart juxtaposes two opposing 'needs' or desires. She uses her own chart as an
example. It has a lot of 7th house/Libra activity which suggests 'coupling' and interdependance - but this is juxtaposed against a strong
uranian/aquarian streak which suggests independence etc - conflict arises because these are opposing views, almost dichotomies, which
are attempting to be merged.
She has not said Libra is easier.

...Exactly.
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Squirrel

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« Reply #23 - on: 09.07.2012 at 20:45 [UT+1] »Quote from Venus in 8th house on 09.07.2012 at 14:07 [UT+1]:
Quote from chang*ling on 09.07.2012 at 11:51 [UT+1]:
i read somewhere that the stars rule our nature but not our will.

And our nature rules our will...

Actually the 'will' is ruled by the sun in astrology in the first place, so changeling's comment was inherently
flawed to begin with.
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« Reply #24 - on: 09.07.2012 at 22:57 [UT+1] »I think, that everything hast o be seen with your Genes – heritage you got from your parents – and where you
be born in. So if there are problems in families or clans to be solved, you might have planets in difficult
position with difficult aspects and so on.
Example: On my birthday for instance there happened a lot of errors. One was, that the emergency medical
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services thought that the little slope to the street was solid, but underneath the fresh snow it was softened andthe ambulance got stuck. They had to bring my mother all the way back in the house by stormy weather – I
was her hardest birth too-. My father told me, that he would have escaped through the window but the midwife
wouldn’t let him to do so.
My sun is in house 9, and that position is also known as run away when life gets difficult. And it is in opposition
to Neptune in house 3. And somehow it was so, that the errors of others brought me quite trouble in life,
besides mine. I also err myself in people and other way round too. And I soon give up or in, when I haveproblems or trouble with people.
So the stars can make it easier for a therapist to work with his client.

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« Reply #25 - on: 09.07.2012 at 23:04 [UT+1] »Quote from Squirrel on 09.07.2012 at 20:45 [UT+1]:
Quote from Venus in 8th house on 09.07.2012 at 14:07 [UT+1]:
Quote from chang*ling on 09.07.2012 at 11:51 [UT+1]:
i read somewhere that the stars rule our nature but not our will.

And our nature rules our will...

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Actually the 'will' is ruled by the sun in astrology in the first place, so changeling's comment was inherently flawed to begin with.

THE MYTH OF NARCISSUS
The soul's descent is caused, in a certain sense, by her own self-love, because she identifies herself with a tiny
portion of the universe instead of with the whole. Hence, so long as she strives to embrace her image, she
continues to sink beneath the waves.
http://www.naderlibrary.com/cult.dantemonarchia.1.12.htm
If the principle of freedom is explained, it will be apparent that the human race is ordered for the best when it
is most free. Observe, then, those words which are on the lips of many but in the minds of few; that the basic
principle of our freedom is freedom of the will.
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ShriSaiganeshEjyotish
Member« Reply #26 - on: 16.08.2013 at 07:40 [UT+1] »Quote from astrodd on 08.07.2012 at 17:01 [UT+1]:[size=14][/size]
have this now,

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Gender:Mr Desmond,virgo ascendant, intellectual, perfectionist, critical thinking. sun-mars ascendant, high energy levels, prone toanger.
asc lord mercury negating into the 12th leo, introverted, high self-pride, tending to foreign lands, health issues.
sun-mercury of 1/12 houses in exchange.
mars lord 8th over the first house again health issues, prone to injury/accidents, head injury perhaps or the
waist etc. mars aspects own aries 8/9 houses and protective same time.
mars also lord 9th for luck over the first house and good, luck in distant lands.
moon-saturn conjunct gemini 10th, analytical aptitude, technical aptitude, may be information technology.
moon gemini curious, living more in the mind, confused.
moon lord 11th over the 10th good for career. but negates friendships/relationships.
2nd lord venus over the 11th cancer, gains/income through artistic aptitudes, gains through elderly women,beauty products, etc. venus lord 9th over the 11th for gains.
jupiter own sagittarius 4th, philosophical, optimistic, sportive, ambitious, love of law and justice.
jupiter as lord 7th inimical for the virgo ascendant, hence jupiter 4th house could cause stress in mattersof domestic comforts, mother, property matters, conveyances, studiousness, etc and throughrelationship/marriage, causing stress and delays in the matters.
moreover jupiter-saturn opposition causing misjudgments/miscalculations in matters of home and career,and missed opportunities perhaps.
jupiter trines and aspects mercury leo 12th promoting foreign lands, and intellectual abilities, as well as highself-pride. while may contain health issues.
rahu the node over ambitious, practical, conservative capricorn 5th while could impact education and children.
5th lord saturn over the 10th good for career, but could cause alienation from children. saturn lord 6th for
employment matters over the 10th calling for extra efforts.
ketu the other node/separative over 11th cancer, thus inherently sensitive and perceptive, while
could negate income and friendships.
currently jupiter transit elevated cancer 11th over natal venus and could promote gains through artistic
aptitudes and relationship, while jupiter trines and aspects saturn-rahu transit enemy sign scorpio and contains
the stress thereof. jupiter also trines and aspects pisces 7th for relationship/career support.
transit jupiter however makes debilated aspect over capricorn 5th for education, romance, children, the jupiterrahu opposition which could vitiate thinking.
hope the generic observations help, pick the relevant. could care to share feedbacks!
wishing well over the year with transit jupiter elevated cancer.

kshantaram

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« Reply #27 - on: 17.08.2013 at 22:03 [UT+1] »Quote from astrodd on 06.07.2012 at 14:20 [UT+1]:
Do you think there's such a thing as being born under bad stars, aspects or planets? In my own particular case ( far from being destituteor homeless ) nothing has ever worked out for me professionally or romantically, and I seem to have an image deficit where I'm
overlooked or regarded as inferior by others.
I've never thrived in any workplace or been able to attract friends who'd seek my company out socially.

Absolutely . Naturally detriment planets. Malefics "crushing" benefics via aspect. Mis-housed planets. etc etc.
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« Reply #28 - on: 19.08.2013 at 21:20 [UT+1] »Of course there are "bad planets in bad signs". Even a cursory knowledge of Astrology teaches that
fundamental. The Sun is in detriment in Aquarius, Venus is in Fall in Virgo.
This does not imply anything bad or lacking about the individual, however. Rather it is a statement of theirdevelopment at a particular time. If you are an Astrologer you assume any client to be a work in progress, andwhat we see is merely a snapshot.
I suspect all of us are Aeons old, having been on this Wheel for as long as it has been Turning....but that is
speculation.
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One also doesn't do Astrology for too long before developing a health respect for Fate, Destiny, Karma, orWhatever else you choose to call that which impels us all along.
When all is said and done, we truly are not in control, no matter how much we wish we were.

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« Reply #29 - on: 22.08.2013 at 04:08 [UT+1] »I use the word challenging rather than bad, not because of my 3rd house Libra speaking, but because I see
them challenging, squares and detriments and such. It's like going to the gym except it's mental and it's thekind of gym you can't really skip without consequences. Lessons that aren't always so easily learned andupheld. There's different ways to handle the things you've been given in your chart: anything in Aries for
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Gender:example, you can be too touchy and too insistent on having your way and too easily incited to a quarrel ifthings dont go your way. But when you at least learn to attack others with light and hearty humor instead ofbeing outright offensive, it's a good start, if you can't still escape your need to get back at them one way or
another.
You can't help what's in your chart, but you can choose how you go about living it out. To suppress or to live
out is a basic form of choise. Suppress too long: risk becoming depressed, live out things one-sidedly too long:risk becoming exhausted and hitting the wall, feeling stagnant. Switch sides more often than what's good foryou: not get very far in living out those vibes.

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« Reply #30 - on: 22.08.2013 at 18:30 [UT+1] »Quote from Mikko on 22.08.2013 at 04:08 [UT+1]:
I use the word challenging rather than bad, not because of my 3rd house Libra speaking, but because I see them challenging, squares anddetriments and such. It's like going to the gym except it's mental and it's the kind of gym you can't really skip without consequences.
Lessons that aren't always so easily learned and upheld. There's different ways to handle the things you've been given in your chart:
anything in Aries for example, you can be too touchy and too insistent on having your way and too easily incited to a quarrel if things dont
go your way. But when you at least learn to attack others with light and hearty humor instead of being outright offensive, it's a good start,
if you can't still escape your need to get back at them one way or another.
You can't help what's in your chart, but you can choose how you go about living it out. To suppress or to live out is a basic form of choise.
Suppress too long: risk becoming depressed, live out things one-sidedly too long: risk becoming exhausted and hitting the wall, feelingstagnant. Switch sides more often than what's good for you: not get very far in living out those vibes.

Some cases it really is the physical gym (Mars in Libra, Mars in Taurus)
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« Reply #31 - on: 15.12.2013 at 13:15 [UT] »Paul - I wonder if you might help me understand the struggles I've had with job and career issues, and what to
do about it. I'm a smart, talented, well-educated person working far below capacity.

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My interpretation - Uranus, the 10th house ruler, is upside-down in the 4th and in detriment in Leo. Neptune in
the 6th and squaring the MC causing confusion….
What should I do? How do I find satisfying, meaningful employment in the few years I have left?

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