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Ariondys
Memberanorexia charts« on: 15.03.2014 at 12:44 [UT] »http://www.viralnova.com/jeremy-gillitzer/
This Male Model Could Turn Anyone’s Head. But What Happened To Him Will Make Your Heart Sink.
In a society where the word “anorexic” is thrown around without a second thought, this disorder is sometimes
ignored. And when it’s not ignored, it’s virtually always attributed to women. Enter Jeremy Gillitzer, a former
fashion model. A man that would turn the head of anyone in the area. A man that everyone should know
about.
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Gender:From the age of 12, Jeremy turned to starvation as a way to cope after discovering his sexuality. “It serves two
purposes,” Jeremy says. “It serves a very applied purpose in that if you’re doing the behaviors, you don’t havetime to think about being gay. And also being malnourished, you don’t feel sexual, so you don’t have to worry
about being gay or straight.”
After being in several hospitals and even being on suicide watch, something incredible happened when Jeremyturned 21. He got better. “It took a couple of years, and it was kind of exploring on my own, and then it was
telling a trusted family member, and then another one of them, and then friends, and the next thing you know,
you’re in drag,” Jeremy said with a laugh.
With a new thirst for life, Jeremy got into bodybuilding much like he was previously into starvation. It was agreat time of his life. He modeled for fashion companies and he even had “Jeremy’s Campaign for Congress” on
his checks. He felt full of life for several years.
Then it all fell apart. His mother became severely ill and his only relationship he ever had fell apart, ending inserious pain. All of Jeremy’s psychological problems returned. “The actual act of purging relieves anxiety—physiologically, it’s one of the things it does,” Jeremy said.
Over the next several years, it was more of the same. His fingers would turn blue even when it wasn’t cold. He
would binge and then purge – repeatedly. He was down to 109 pounds.
And then he hit 99 pounds. At that point, he wrote on his blog: “My hair is falling out and growing on mybody…to keep me warm. My gums are receding. My reproductive system is dormant…or dead. I am
hunchbacked because my muscles cannot support my neck. I am extremely constipated. I have a bedsore on
my tailbone from the friction. An 80-year-old lady, you ask? No, a 35-year-old man.”
Quote:
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/06/jeremy_gillitze.php

Jeremy Gillitzer, male eating disorder sufferer, dead at 38
By Kevin Hoffman Thu., Jun. 3 2010
Jeremy Gillitzer, who appeared on the cover of City Pages to tell his story about his struggle with eating disorders, died Tuesday. He was38.
...
After Jeremy got out of the hospital, he was eager to reach as wide an audience as possible .
Sadly, Jeremy was never able to overcome his inner struggle with his eating disorder. At the time of his death, he weighed 66 pounds.

Jun 3 was a thursday, so died Jun 1 2010(guessing).
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http://jeremygillitzer.blogspot.ca/

SUNDAY, AUGUST 24, 2008
37 Years Young
Yesterday was my birthday and my family so graciously took me to a very nice restaurant La Belle Vie for dinner. I also received manybirthday greetings from well-wishers. Thank you to everyone who though of me on this very special day. Most people didn't think I would
survive this long. But here I am and I look forward to my next birthday. I hope this year will be better than teh last one which was themost difficult in my life.

http://jeremygillitzer.blogspot.ca/2006/07/introduction.html

A=O/Y perhaps... in the evening. Y seems to be unaspected.

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #1 - on: 15.03.2014 at 13:53 [UT] »I find this a very interesting topic, but we'd really need a more precise chart, as any illness involves the AC,
Moon and its zodiacal condition, and 6th house; in case of addictive behavior the 12th, in case of mental
problems Mercury and its position and afflictions, etc.
Karen Carpenter had Anorexia, I'll go into it later on, have to go now.

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #2 - on: 15.03.2014 at 21:14 [UT] »I've read somewhere that BJ are often seen. I know, it's only one factor. Both Karen and Jeremy were
having it. Karen had also Sun/Saturn, it adds discipline. Jeremy's Ceres is in Cancer- Ruler of Ceres is mJ.

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #3 - on: 16.03.2014 at 10:32 [UT] »Yes, I've read that too. Jane Ridder-Patrick gives that association for Moon-Pluto tension in her book on medical
astrology.
I'm a bit wary of this chart, as the AC is so on the border of two signs, so 5 minutes off and we get a different
AC. But I decided to stick with this one for the moment and see where it takes us.
It's a diurnal chart, with Saturn being the sect malefic, Mars out of sect.
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Moon is AC ruler, peregrine in Leo and not able to 'see' her dispositor Sun.
Conjunct Pluto, control-issues in regard to femininity, the body (AC) and nourishment.
Mercury ruler of the house of self undoing (12) in 8, house of death. Mercury is oriental of the Sun in a
masculine sign, conjunct a masculine planet, which gives it an active, more outgoing mode of action.
Applicative opposition Moon, which connects the issues of the native, her body and said 12th and 8th houses
and their themes.
Mercury conjunct the ruler of the house of illness (6).
Mars, the out of sect malefic, is in detriment and afflicting the AC.
Sun is in applicative opposition with Saturn, ruler of the house of death. In medical astrology the Sun signifies
vitality and the will to live. This seems to be limited by Saturn.
Timelords
Profection and solar return
She died Februari 1982. Edit: I meant 1983, so we need the SR from March 1982
-Her profected AC lord was Jupiter, exaltation ruler of natal AC.
-In the profection Jupiter hands over to the Sun.
-SolarSun is in 1st solar house, emphasising the topic of health and the body
-Solar Jupiter in separative square with natal AC ruler Moon which is in solar 6th house of illness. This is arepetition of the affliction between Moon and Jupiter in natal chart.
-SolarMoon is in natal 12th, combining solar4th (end of things) with natal 12th (self undoing, chronicaldeseases)
Both solar malefics are in the solar 8th house of death, and natal 4th end of things.
Zodiacal releasing of fortune
The main ruler was Saturn, 12/09/1982 Mercury became subruler. Solar Mercury in solar 12th and natal 8th. So
another repetition of the themes of selfundoing and death.
According to Janus we have Mars squaring Mercury in the directions, but I can't verify that as I don't know how
to do this myself (yet). Mars is the out of sect malefic and in bad zodiacal condition, and as said before, it
combines the 4th natal (end of things) with the solar 8th (death) for that year.
Arabic Parts
Infirmities both separable and inseparable
17 k 8th natal conjunct its triplicityrulers Mercury and Jupiter. Subruler of release of fortune Mercury isapplying within 2 degrees orb in the solar return chart.
The part of reason and sense is also there, on 18 k. I think this one is looked at to determine the mental
capacities of the native, and through houseposition which area is especially effected.
In the directions of terms and triplicities we have both malefics Saturn and Mars as rulers resp..
I'm sure there's much more to see, but these things caught my eye.
It's never just one element, I think it's in the repetition of themes and aspects and there seem to be plenty ofthat in her chart.

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #4 - on: 16.03.2014 at 10:36 [UT] »And the solar return chart. I think she was in New York at the time.

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #5 - on: 16.03.2014 at 11:46 [UT] »I have been labelled for years as Anorexic/Bulimic and of having eating disorders..as a baby they made mymother take me for 'test feeds' because they believed I looked to skinny. Others base their beliefs or suspicionsthat I suffer eating disorders because of the way I look. (I am thin and wiryaBasc, ACk)
I have classic type indicators in a fashion..

aB in the 12th hs mAsc n J desc (but in the 6th hs)
A Yod involving BAsc sGf and sOh
Ceres in the 12th conjunct Eris sEf
A stellium in f (jup/mars/lillith/Saturn)
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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #6 - on: 17.03.2014 at 13:10 [UT] »Here's a good article shedding some light on the Pluto-Moon connection, also mentioning Karen Carpenter
http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/moon-pluto-the-gathering-storm/
With BoJ, this feels familiar. Though I've never had an eating disorder as such, I know that when emotional
insecurity is involved, ther's a tendency to take this out on the physical body. With Pluto thrown in, the need tocontrol the body may become obsessive. These are the energies that have taken me years to deal with ... notpleasant energies to say the least
I have tremendous compassion for people suffering from anorexia, BDD
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and other similar disorders. That's why I'm extra careful never to mention anything negative about humanbodies to my daughter. Kids pick up a lot from their parents ...

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #7 - on: 18.03.2014 at 02:04 [UT] »Quote from Alice T on 17.03.2014 at 13:10 [UT]:
Here's a good article shedding some light on the Pluto-Moon connection, also mentioning Karen Carpenter
http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/moon-pluto-the-gathering-storm/

With BoJ, this feels familiar. Though I've never had an eating disorder as such, I know thatwhen emotional insecurity is involved, ther's a tendency to take this out on the physical body.
With Pluto thrown in, the need to control the body may become obsessive. These are the energies thathave taken me years to deal with ... not pleasant energies to say the least

I have tremendous compassion for people suffering fromanorexia, BDD and other similar disorders. That's why I'm extra careful never to mention anything negative about human bodies to mydaughter. Kids pick up a lot from their parents ...

I do hear you Alice T,
Mine played out in my late teens/early 20's with fasting and cleansing and veganism. Natal Nb in the 1sthouse also didn't help too much at that time.
someone told me that BO people usually cant tolerate 'weight'..they hate 'fat'..
I have influenced my son to use other words rather than 'fat' when describing someone/something..we use thewords 'jolly' or large. (hes only four) Thanks for your link Alice, I will take a look
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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #8 - on: 18.03.2014 at 15:27 [UT] »I have here the chart of Lena Zavaroni. I don't know if anyone remembers her, she had a huge hit when she wasonly 9 years old, a girl with an extraordinary voice. She became anorectic when she was 13, and in addition tothat became severely depressed. She was married for only 18 months, and shortly after the wedding in 1989
her mother committed suicide.
1998 she requested brain-surgery to help her with her depressions and the operation took place on September
7th 1999. They partially interrupted the nerve pathways that control emotions, a fairly new procedure at thetime. She died of pneumonia 3 weeks later, an infection her emaciated body couldn't cope with.
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Natal chart
Pluto in the first house (body). It is considered a malefic by those who practice traditional astrology and want
to include Pluto for additional information, and any malefic in the first house is an indication for a difficult life,
unless there are mitigating factors.
Pluto square Moon in 10, the house of profession, fame and also the mother.
Pluto square Mars in 4 (end of things, parents)
Mars is the sect malefic, peregrine, but in nice mutual reception with Jupiter in 8 (death). Jupiter however isretrograde, so it can't act as wholesome as it could otherwise. Apart from that it belongs to the day sect and is
occidental of the Sun, which weakens its position in the chart somewhat. Mars squares the AC.
The other benefic Venus is in detriment, so can't give much protection. She has some dignity though, so not
all bad.
AC ruler Mercury is combust, and together with the Sun in applying square to Saturn in the 6th (illness, work).
So we have a similar situation as we had in Carpenter's chart, the Sun's vitality afflicted by Saturn. Mercury
Saturn afflictions are linked to depressions and anxiety. However Saturn is not all bad here: it is in Hayz, and inits domicile, so it might have a bit of a stabilizing effect on the Moon through the applying trine. But it's still
the out of sect malefic, and its influence on Sun and Mercury is problematic I'd say.
Mars Moon have a wide separative opposition, only just within the orb, but considering the amount of
aggression against the body as is seen with anorexia, I'd say that it should be included.
Solar return and profection
Saturn is ruler of SR, in detriment and conjunct Moon, in the solar 4th (end of things).
There's a SolarPluto-NatalMars conjunction in natal-1st (body), and a SolarMars-natal Pluto conjunction in natal
4th (end of things), repeating the situation in the birth chart.
Profectionlord is the Sun, which rules the solar 8th house of death, Natal 12th of selfundoing.

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #9 - on: 18.03.2014 at 15:29 [UT] »And solar-natal. I wasn't sure about the place of residence, but red somewhere that she lived in Herfordshire
the last years of her life.

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #10 - on: 21.03.2014 at 06:20 [UT] »ok

I'm back, yey

I looked at Karen Carpenter a small bit; here's what I got so far.
@ 11:53:30am (let's just call it an idea; it doesn't have to be that exact)
MC=A/AD(weight)=J(obsess)=HA/AD(scantness, frugality)
AR=I/Y -- publically known for lacking nutrition
AS=AD/Y(stops food)=MC/A(the appearance of the "I")=B/J(?)=MC/HA(to do without)Posts: 1836
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A=MC/Y=HA -physically disgusted by food?
Y(focal of t-square and midpoint) = A/G
Y=G/HA (1') -- serious food problems
Karen Anne Carpenter (March 2, 1950 – February 4, 1983)
Carpenter suffered from anorexia nervosa, an eating disorder which was little known at the time. She died atage 32 from heart failure caused by complications related to her illness. Carpenter's death led to increased
visibility and awareness of eating disorders
She and her brother made their first recordings in 1965 and 1966. The following year she began dieting. Undera doctor's guidance she went on the Stillman Diet. She rigorously ate lean foods, drank eight glasses of water aday, and avoided fatty foods. She was 5' 4" in height and before dieting weighed 145 pounds and afterwards
weighed 120 pounds until 1973, when the Carpenters' career reached its peak. By September 1975*, herweight was 91 pounds.
*p G o Y (1') and t G had been in her 1st house prior to this from 1973 - 75
"Now", recorded in April 1982, was the last song Carpenter recorded. She recorded it after a two-weekintermission in her therapy with psychotherapist Steven Levenkron in New York City for her anorexia, during
which she had lost a considerable amount of weight. During her illness, in order to lose weight, she had taken
thyroid replacement medication (to speed up her metabolism) and laxatives. Despite her participation intherapy, her condition continued to deteriorate and she only lost more weight, leading Carpenter to call her
psychotherapist to tell him she felt dizzy and that her heart was beating irregularly. Finally in September 1982,
she was admitted to Lenox Hill Hospital in New York and hooked up to an intravenous drip, which caused her togain a considerable amount of weight (30 pounds) in just eight weeks. The sudden weight gain further strained
her heart, which was already weak from years of crash dieting.
Final months
November 1982, Carpenter returned to California determined to reinvigorate her career, finalize her divorce,and begin a new album with Richard.
December 17, 1982, Karen gave her last singing performance
January 11, 1983, Karen made her last public appearance at a Grammy Award winners 25th anniversary. Karen
appeared somewhat frail and worn out but according to Dionne Warwick, she was vibrant and outgoing,
exclaiming to everyone, "Look at me! I've got an ass!"
February 4, 1983, less than a month before her 33rd birthday, Carpenter suffered heart failure at her parents'
home in Downey, California. She was taken to Downey Community Hospital, where she was pronounced dead
20 minutes later. The Los Angeles coroner gave the cause of death as "heartbeat irregularities brought on bychemical imbalances associated with anorexia nervosa." Under the anatomical summary, the first item was heart
failure, with anorexia as second. The third finding was cachexia, which is extremely low weight and weakness
and general body decline associated with chronic disease. Her divorce was scheduled to have been finalized thatday. The autopsy stated that Carpenter's death was the result of emetine cardiotoxicity due to anorexia
nervosa, revealing that she had poisoned herself with ipecac syrup, an emetic often used to induce vomiting incases of overdosing or poisoning. Carpenter's use of ipecac syrup was later disputed by Agnes and Richard...

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #11 - on: 21.03.2014 at 06:23 [UT] »that's kind of interesting to see transits of personal points(A and K) on some of the axis I listed. And t Y m
8th cusp...
pAS=t J=rYt J t Y (~5')
t J = G/HA -- slow weakening and breakdown

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Gender:t K=AS=Y/AD
t A = a=I/Y=A/AD
t E/G o K -- cases of deathconv.t J(2d21) m AS...
tert.p Y(8l52) m MC (that spent whole life getting there.)

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #12 - on: 22.03.2014 at 03:34 [UT] »update to Jeremy Gillitzer:
a FB reply says: Birthdate is correct, his hometown was Circle Pines Minnesota

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #13 - on: 22.03.2014 at 04:00 [UT] »I loved Karen Carpenter's voice, she was the best. Her brother nah, she didn't need him, she was the star.
Here is her pure voice unique in her own way :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFoQxjgbrs

Isabelle Caro dies at 28 Anorexia

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Isabelle Caro (12 September 1982 – 17 November 2010) was a French model from Marseille, France,
55lbs at one time in a coma
http://jezebel.com/5720702/isabelle-caro-anorexic-model-dead-at-28
http://outthecometsass.blogspot.com/2010/12/rest-in-peace-isabelle-caro.html

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #14 - on: 15.04.2014 at 16:46 [UT+1] »Hi,I just saw this thread while I was reading back in the forum history a bit. The subject is interesting to me
because I also have Anorexia/purging anorexia and have had it for three years, and also signs and symptoms
since the teenage years.
The first thing I notice of course is I also have Pluto in the first house.
I always wondered if there was some clues in my Natal chart about my extreme self destruction and sabotage
which includes the eating disorder.
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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #15 - on: 16.04.2014 at 05:37 [UT+1] »Quote from Francis Leung on 15.04.2014 at 16:46 [UT+1]:
Hi,
I just saw this thread while I was reading back in the forum history a bit. The subject is interesting to me because I also have
Anorexia/purging anorexia and have had it for three years, and also signs and symptoms since the teenage years.
The first thing I notice of course is I also have Pluto in the first house.
I always wondered if there was some clues in my Natal chart about my extreme self destruction and sabotage which includes the eating
disorder.

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Sun in Aquarius, 24th degree with Mercury 1Aquarius, conjunct fixed star –Aquila in Altair, the eagle.
Much ambition comes with this star, and I wonder if the ambition came from parental input, wanting you to
succeed at all costs (full stellium of planets in the 3rd house of lower mind) opposite Chiron in the 9th house,
and Jupiter on the dark side in the 8th exalted but critical degree at 1Cancer rx. How is your relationship withyour parents?

Have you made studies into the be all that ends all to achievement in school?
Perhaps an unrealistic
expectation to achieve? And if so, was it placed there by others on your young shoulders?
Karen Carpenter pushed her self towards absolute perfection in all and everything, and life isn't like that. I think
her mother also pushed her quite a bit.
Nothing in life, certainly humans included are perfect. We are all flawed.
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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #16 - on: 16.04.2014 at 15:26 [UT+1] »I use whole sign houses, and there the Moon, one of the AC rulers, is positioned in the 12th house of selfundoing. The Moon is about emotional, habitual responses, and of course about nurturing oneself and others.
Moon is in square with Jupiter, which often is an indication for obesity, but in your case it seems to be theopposite. Moon applies to Mars, the domicile ruler of the AC. Mars is the sect-malefic which improves its
essentiall quality, but is itself applying to the out-of-sect malefic Saturn. Both are dignified, so I'd say theireffect is of a mixed nature. Mars-Moon affliction might mean aggression directed against oneself. Venus, asanguine planet (social, outgoing,) and also one of the Asc rulers is close to cold and dry Saturn, thus
somewhat stifled and restrained in her expression. No Hedonism there. Saturn and Venus are both dispositors
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of the Moon, Saturn through its being exaltation-ruler, and Venus as domicile ruler of Libra, but both are also
'overcome' by the Moon (because the latter is 10 signs away from them), meaning that the Moon's tendency
towards self-undoing is imposed on all the planets in the 3d house.
I wonder about Jupiter in 9th house of philosophy and religion. Is there any 'religious' thing involved in thisself-destruction of yours, some belief about who or what you are, or should be?

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #17 - on: 18.04.2014 at 09:29 [UT+1] »Quote from Francis Leung on 15.04.2014 at 16:46 [UT+1]:
I also have Anorexia/purging anorexia and have had it for three years, and also signs and symptoms since the teenage years.
I always wondered if there was some clues in my Natal chart about my extreme self destruction and sabotage which includes the eating
disorder.

Y=21c28
Y/O(29l47)=HA(7c32)=AR(0a00)
Y/VU(2d58)uPL(17h47)
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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #18 - on: 20.04.2014 at 05:05 [UT+1] »Quote from Francis Leung on 15.04.2014 at 16:46 [UT+1]:
Hi,
I just saw this thread while I was reading back in the forum history a bit. The subject is interesting to me because I also have
Anorexia/purging anorexia and have had it for three years, and also signs and symptoms since the teenage years.
The first thing I notice of course is I also have Pluto in the first house.
I always wondered if there was some clues in my Natal chart about my extreme self destruction and sabotage which includes the eating

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disorder.

Hi Francis,
In addition to J 1H, I would add that JoA is an indication of wanting to control yourself and yourenvironment. It also indicates a complex and controlling parent, from whom you will have to come to termswith in this life.
Of course, food and eating are ways of separating yourself from parental influence when young.
As well as your DmG will mean you value self-control and abnegation of pleasure. These are the dark sides of
the aspect, but also it means you have a realistic view on love, where you accept other's limitations andinherent weaknesses.
Maybe you also need to allow yourself to be weak and not always in control?
Both very difficult for those of us with strong jhJG going on in our charts
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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #19 - on: 21.04.2014 at 02:32 [UT+1] »p OnY +/- 2'
Y n J/VU o AD
1972 srY & B o A

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Re: anorexia charts« Reply #20 - on: 22.04.2014 at 07:21 [UT+1] »Thank you for my chart, I am Greg who had Anorexia as a teenager and wrote earlier. It has a few of thequalities so far associated with anorexia: BoJ, hB, a yod to B, YnO. Perhaps noting these qualities andothers associated with anorexia would be useful for therapists who use astrology.

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