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Lily Pad
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« on: 17.11.2016 at 11:38 [UT] »Debra has mentioned that prominent Regulus in a chart can mean a rise in life but then a fall. Can this happen
more than once in a person's life or they don't really recover?

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« Reply #1 - on: 18.11.2016 at 00:48 [UT] »I think this question is too vague. Fixed stars are pretty much fixed in their meaning.
It's the TRANSITS which bring changes...some very transforming, some chaotic - some lucky, some unlucky.
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But everything changes with transits.
I suggest using them instead of trying get practical info from the fixed stars.
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« Reply #2 - on: 18.11.2016 at 02:13 [UT] »Quote from Lily Pad on 17.11.2016 at 11:38 [UT]:
Debra has mentioned that prominent Regulus in a chart can mean a rise in life but then a fall. Can this happen more than once in aperson's life or they don't really recover?

I've read somewhere online (sorry I can't be more specific, it was a while ago) that Regulus only produces a fall
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Gender:from a great height when the native succumbs to the desire for revenge. The challenge is to walk the straightand narrow no matter how infuencial the person may become. From this I gather that there is still free will
involved in how the fixed stars express.

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Lily Pad

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« Reply #3 - on: 18.11.2016 at 12:32 [UT] »Thank you both for answering my question. Debra was talking about Trump's chart with Regulus rising which
got me to thinking about it. I guess time will tell how or if that plays out. A close family member also has late
Leo rising.
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« Reply #4 - on: 18.11.2016 at 14:15 [UT] »Quote from Lily Pad on 18.11.2016 at 12:32 [UT]:Thank you both for answering my question. Debra was talking about Trump's chart with Regulus rising which got me to thinking about it. I
guess time will tell how or if that plays out. A close family member also has late Leo rising.

You might be more interested in the fact that Trump has Algol exactly conjunct his Midheaven.
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« Reply #5 - on: 18.11.2016 at 17:28 [UT] »It was Regulus that had me curious since my family member also has the same late Leo ASC.

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« Reply #6 - on: 18.11.2016 at 23:18 [UT] »You do know that a fixed star is in the same degree of a sign for a LONG time and millions of people will havethat position...right?
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« Reply #7 - on: 19.11.2016 at 00:17 [UT] »Lily Pad there is now a Fixed Star interpretation available here in beta...you can try it out. There is a mention of
it in the feedback section currently.
http://www.astro.com/cgi/atxgen.cgi?btyp=xtft
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« Reply #8 - on: 19.11.2016 at 02:03 [UT] »Quote from Linda Harris on 18.11.2016 at 23:18 [UT]:
You do know that a fixed star is in the dame degree of a sign for a LONG time and millions of people will have that position...right?
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Isn't this why the orbs for fixed stars are so small?
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Gender:Also isn't a fixed star link to natal positions just a greater probability of a certain event?
I concur to your greater wisdom that the rest of the chart and transits are much more important.

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Lily Pad

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« Reply #9 - on: 19.11.2016 at 10:21 [UT] »Hi Lainie - I understand that a fixed star stays at the same degree for a long time.

I also agree that you needto study the whole chart and transits along the way, but I think if you have a fixed star on an angle like thatyou would want to pay attention..another tool in the tool box. In Trump's case I was just reading that his p A
is currently on his ASC/Regulus and he certainly has risen in life! I think Regulus re-inforces p A in this case.
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Matrika - thank you for the link. Funny, I noticed this just yesterday.

It's tempting to purchase a report.

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Global Moderator« Reply #10 - on: 19.11.2016 at 14:03 [UT] »Astrodienst Staff
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I think the common practice of using ecliptic longitudes for fixed stars and fixed star aspects leaves a lot to be
desired.
While the planets are all close to the ecliptic, most of the fixed stars are NOT. To measure angles to them along
the ecliptic makes little astronomical sense.
It is illuminating to have a look at the latitude column of the fixed star list
http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Fixed_star_list
The British/Australian astrologer Bernadette Brady has engaged herself since many years to introduce a more

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Gender:sensible approach to fixed stars into modern astrology. Please have a look at here article here:
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fixstar_e.htm
Example: Somebody wrote above "Trump has Algol exactly conjunct the MC". While I wish he had, it is nottrue.
You have to look not at Algol's ecliptic degree, which is at 25°24' Taurus, but at the real sky. Algol is 22°25' tothe north of the ecliptic.
I attach a part of the sky map for Donald Trump, where Algol is marked with a red arrow.
Trump is born at 10:54 am. If he were born 23 minutes earlier, at 10:31, he would have Algol at the Meridian,in fact close to the Zenith. But because his birth record can be assumed to be precise, it is clear that he has
not. So, it is unlikely he will be hanged or decapitated for his deeds.

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« Reply #11 - on: 19.11.2016 at 14:49 [UT] »Quote from Alois on 19.11.2016 at 14:03 [UT]:
Trump is born at 10:54 am. If he were born 23 minutes earlier, at 10:31, he would have Algol at the Meridian, in fact close to the Zenith.
But because his birth record can be assumed to be precise, it is clear that he has not. So, it is unlikely he will be hanged or decapitatedfor his deeds.

Here is the chart for 10:31 am, with Algol at the Meridian.

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« Reply #12 - on: 19.11.2016 at 17:22 [UT] »Quote from Lily Pad on 18.11.2016 at 17:28 [UT]:
It was Regulus that had me curious since my family member also has the same late Leo ASC.

With Fixed Star Regulus, there is always a fall from a much higher place, never to return (metaphoricallyspeaking) to that higher place again.
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Do you know if your relative suffered such a major fall yet?

I'm expecting D.T. will eventually, and it

will be public. President Obama did, at least as far as the public is concerned, with his Uranus conj.NN &Regulus in the 7th house. As we all witnessed from the time he was a Senator, the meteoric rise to the Oval
Office, then the "open enemies", fall in the 7th, making him almost a lame duck in the 2nd term.
We'll have to watch this carefully, when Donald Trump falls to check astrologically, also all methods of checking.
Not always seen in just transits or progressions alone, but there will be an astro correlation.
Fixed Star question.
« on: 17.11.2016 at 11:38 [UT+0] » Quote:
Quote Debra has mentioned that prominent Regulus in a chart can mean a rise in life but then a fall. Can this happen more than once in aperson's life or they don't really recover?

Lily: I believe its only the 1 major fall from the meteoric rise to the higher station in life. Of course the"higher station" can mean many things to different people, from the lower or middle classes to the public folks
and as usual with astro symbols, in all ways and shapes.
But its always the same from what I can see, one big major fall. (in some manner important to that person) I
studied various U.S. Generals and wrote about them specifically because as public figures, they were easier tosee, especially when the "fall" was noted in the press and media from WW 2 and onward.
Of course the planet must be considered too, as Regulus might be connected to the B as it is for me,orthe A (Trump), or North Node & O = President Obama. This doesn't mean at all, that once the so called fallarrives, that they will not go on and insert themselves into another enterprise as most do. So its not all thatnegative at all, kind of like not belonging where they rose to, and needing a universe shove in anotherdirection is how I'd see it.
Example that comes to mind: General Petraus had a very public fall from grace, after being seen as a kind ofhero in the military, and the slap down was akin to General McArthur (WW 2 scandal) & Truman's slapdown.
Yet Petraus as we know, may have been relieved of the duty he had "risen" to; but he left with a pension inplace as though nothing had happened, only scandal publicly tainted him and his marriage.
Other then this, as we all know, he's on the "short list" for the Trump cabinet choices today. So as you can see,it need not be a forever thing, although for some unfortunates, it can be worse then just a slap down.
Gen. Petraus: Progressed B just past his M opposite Tr. Retrograde O and Tr. Rx N when the scandal brokeand he was recalled to the WH.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/29/fashion/david-petraeus-paula-broadwell-scandal affair.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus

echo-echo: I haven't seen any revenge playing out in the many Regulus natives I've watched over the past
decade. So for what thats worth, I tell you, at least not in my studies of this star's connection. I think however,that Constellation of Words does mention revenge, perhaps as one author or the other may have termed itlong ago. But as for me and my studies, I've not seen any of them looking for revenge, just going about thematter of life, and whoops, there comes the fated fall!
Never seems to fail.
The major question for astrologers, imo, is the "when" part. Thats when real effort and progress is made, to callit and be better prepared. I don't think President Obama was the least bit prepared for the cold shoulder hereceived in office for 8 years., and especially by the 2nd term, he was much better prepared to just ignore theRepublicans and do his own thing. The Republicans in this sense meaning, the 7th house "enemy" groups who
swore their own vengeance then. I don't think he himself is of that caliber and therefore, the vengefulness part
doesn't apply to him either.
(in my opinion) I simply never saw any type of indication of this.
Quote:in Diurnal Nativities whether Cor Leonis be in the Ascendant, in the Oriental Line or above it one degree or below it three degrees; orwhether it be in the tenth in like degrees, without the Conjunction or Aspect of any of the Fortunes, for this alone signifies that the Native
shall be a person of great note and power,much exalted, and attain to high preferment and honors, although descended from the meanest
parents. And, if any of the Fortunes behold that place also, his glory shall be the more increased; but, if the Nativity be nocturnal, his
fortune will be somewhat meaner, but not much; but if the Infortunes cast their aspects there it will still be more mean; but if theFortunes behold it also they will augment the good promised a fourth part, and mitigate the evil as much; yet still, whatever of all thishappens, it signifies that the Native shall die an unhappy death; or at least that all his honors, greatness and power shall at last suffer an
eclipse and set in a cloud". [Robson*, p.195.]
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« Reply #13 - on: 20.11.2016 at 14:52 [UT] »Thank you Debra, your explanation makes it more clear to me now.
My relative is not a Trump or a Petraeus but a regular Joe. However, there was a time where he did rise to aplace that was out of character and that all came about rather quickly. Nine years later (a complete numerology
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cycle, btw) it all tumbled down, even more quickly. He's fine although life certainly took a left turn from where
he thought he was going. In his chart, he was experiencing those mid-life transits, IoI, OnO, In ASC toname a few.
The eclipse cycle of late Aug. '17 may be "interesting" @ 28 e.

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« Reply #14 - on: 24.11.2016 at 15:07 [UT] »Quote:
With Fixed Star Regulus, there is always a fall from a much higher place, never to return (metaphorically speaking) to that higher placeagain.
Lily: I believe its only the 1 major fall from the meteoric rise to the higher station in life. Of course the "higher station" can mean manythings to different people, from the lower or middle classes to the public folks and as usual with astro symbols, in all ways and shapes.
But its always the same from what I can see, one big major fall. (in some manner important to that person) I studied various U.S.
Generals and wrote about them specifically because as public figures, they were easier to see, especially when the "fall" was noted in thepress and media from WW 2 and onward.
Of course the planet must be considered too, as Regulus might be connected to the

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Gender:B as it is for me,or theA (Trump), or North

O

Node &= President Obama. This doesn't mean at all, that once the so called fall arrives, that they will not go on and insert themselves
into another enterprise as most do. So its not all that negative at all, kind of like not belonging where they rose to, and needing auniverse shove in another direction is how I'd see it.

I think however, that Constellation of Words does mention revenge, perhaps as one author or the other may have termed it long ago. But
as for me and my studies, I've not seen any of them looking for revenge, just going about the matter of life, and whoops, there comesthe fated fall!
Never seems to fail.

Deb the fields you have chosen of politics and military men are inherently likely to involve intrigue and plotting.
In politics particularly it is rare for someone to leave with all their dignity intact without being back-stabbed.
The military is full of bullies and tacticians. Some people manage to keep their heads down, but this is not asign of success either. IMO.
Quote:in Diurnal Nativities whether Cor Leonis be in the Ascendant, in the Oriental Line or above it one degree or below it three degrees; orwhether it be in the tenth in like degrees, without the Conjunction or Aspect of any of the Fortunes,

for this alone signifies that the Native shall be a person of great note and power,much exalted,
and attain to high preferment and honors, although descended from the meanest parents.

hahaha!

Well I have
Regulus conj the MC with F and J and I can tell you my parents are mean as heck!!
Even to his death my father made sure I would not inherit a brass razoo by spending all his money before hedied.
Silly man! As if he is going anywhere great with those attitudes. I save his life once too, but never mind!
I went to his funeral and my brother came up told me there was no money left.
He also claimed to others I asked about the money when I had not. It was the last thing on my mind.
I cried quite a bit at the funeral because I was grieving for the mess my father had made of his life and the man
he never managed to be.
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And, if any of the Fortunes behold that place also, his glory shall be the more increased; but, if the Nativity be nocturnal, his fortune will
be somewhat meaner, but not much; but if the Infortunes cast their aspects there it will still be more mean; but if the Fortunes behold it
also they will augment the good promised a fourth part, and mitigate the evil as much; yet still, whatever of all this happens, it signifies
that the Native shall die an unhappy death; or at least that all his honors, greatness and power shall at last suffer an eclipse and set in acloud". [Robson*, p.195.]
If culminating: Honor

Oh well, no such luck with the fortunes, and I have a nocturnal chart, but I'm optimistic I will make enoughmoney to take care of my old age. Unhappy death though...that's a bit awful. Surely this is not inevitable. I
don't mind dying under a cloud though...sounds nice. As long as it doesn't rain!
Christ died an unhappy death, and it was a huge example to us all. I guess I will have to cope when I get there
and try to not be a sook about it.
I've never been one for retribution. It's not worth it and it overpowers you and makes you bitter. No joy inthat. It's a loser strategy. I believe that's why people sometimes think I'm 20 years younger than I actually am,
bitterness weighs you down.
I don't believe that you necessarily attract bad things because you deserve it. Look at Christ. He was theultimate being, how did he deserve any of that?
Buddha gave up all his attachments and worldly goods and he was a prince. Why? For the journey. He wanted
to overcome the cycle of birth and death and get down to business.
Sometimes circumstances force losses but the thing to do is to try to look for the opportunity for personal
growth in it.
I hardly held a place of honour, but some very bad forces did knock me down and I haven't recovered
financially. You have to see the upside in it or be lost. My point is to not take a binary look at good/bad
outcomes whatever they are. Too much good fortune, wealth and power can be bad for you anyway. I've met
some bores who have no idea how to share or love who are wealthy beyond measure. The way we deal withgood or bad fortune is more important, at least that's what I tell myself!
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« Reply #15 - on: 24.11.2016 at 21:15 [UT] »azure: Thanks for the thoughts on Regulus, but the idea of the Regulus with the Military Generals, actually waseven a bit surprising to me because their problems, (per se), what they did to be demoted or given the tongue
lashing publicly as well as privately, had nothing to do with others, but rather their OWN choices, their own
decsision, their own errors (for lack of a better word) i.e. their own persoanlities which in their case often went
too far and others might say, they simply got back (from the universe) what they gave and dished out to others
via their elevated positions.
Each was different of course, but I started to notice a pattern of the Fall. So thats why I chose the military,
because their lives at least in the miltiary were more an open book., whereas, not so with their personal lives.
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For example, one hit his men physically, slapping one that made headlines during the War (WW2), and caused
his dressing down.
One had a secret affair with a woman doing his biography, which proved to be not good press, but other thenthis, what really harmed his career was being interviewed by Rolling Stone and the weather! (The weather wasvery bad in Europe and planes departing all over Europe were not leaving, but at a standstill), causing one
Reporter to have to stay in Afghanistan for weeks longer then he might have otherwise.
Interesting how things comes together for the fall.
How about your life, (other than your father), what do you think you recall as a monumental fall from a higher
place, IF it took place at all?

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Ref: Deb the fields you have chosen of politics and military men are inherently likely to involve intrigue and plotting. In politics
particularly it is rare for someone to leave with all their dignity intact without being back-stabbed. The military is full of bullies andtacticians. Some people manage to keep their heads down, but this is not a sign of success either. IMO.

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« Reply #16 - on: 24.11.2016 at 21:24 [UT] »from my notes regarding General Patton:
George Patton: Progressed Moon moved to 28AQ27min. opposing his natal Mars 01Virgo which
conjunct his I/C at 0Virgo (Regulus)
And when he was reprimanded for his behaviors by on August 3, 1943 as both his superior as well as
Congress had had enough of his brutality slapping young soldiers, one of whom had been hospitalized forneurosis. The 18 year old young solider by the name of Private Charles Kuhl, had told Patton he couldn’t
mentally handle the battle lines. He said it was his bad nerves over the shells coming over the battle lines.
This enraged the General, and he slapped him in the face calling him a coward. After he heard Kuhl crying in
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the tent he slapped him again. It later emerged that Kuhl had malaria and a high fever after he washospitalized.
A week later there was a second incident another slapping of a young private which caused General Eisenhower
to insist he apologize to his men. The U.S. radio personality Drew Pearson revealed the incidents to theAmerican public which caused member of Congress and the Press to call for his removal from command.
The Senate however, delayed Patton’s confirmation as major general and Eisenhower relieved himof his command of the Seventh Army. He would go on to serve as a decoy during the invasion of Normandy
and be given command of the Third Army, which he brilliantly led in an Allied victory in the Battle of the Bulge.

*****so we see, all was not lost for the General however, his appearance in the way the country was viewing
him as well as the Senators reprimand, was a "notch down" from a much higher place he had enjoyed.

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/July-August-08/On-this-Day--Gene ral-PattonShocks-Public-by-Slapping-Crying-Soldier.html“I am well aware of the necessity for hardness and toughness on the battle field. … But this does not excuse
brutality, abuse of the ‘sick,’ nor exhibition of uncontrollable temper in front of subordinates,” Eisenhower
wrote.
On this day,August 3, 1943 his Moon was progressed in the natal to oppose Mars and Regulus.
See Natal Chart progressed Moon .
During this same time period, General Patton had been experiencing a Transit of Chiron (the wounded
warrior) at 0 degree Virgo conjunct to Fixed Star Regulus and over his natal Mars, which is quite fitting
the ancients noted being in the natal charts of those in military leadership roles.
On September 28, 1945, after a heated exchange with Eisenhower over his statements, Patton was relieved ofhis military governorship. He was relieved of command of the Third Army on 7 October, and in a somber
change of command ceremony, Patton concluded his farewell remarks, "All good things must come to an end.
The best thing that has ever happened to me thus far is the honor and privilege of having commanded theThird Army."
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« Reply #17 - on: 24.11.2016 at 21:32 [UT] »Interesting fella, General Patton:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/biography/bulge-patton/
Patton distinguished himself in various World War II campaigns including the invasion of North Africa and thecapture of Sicily. It was during the Sicilian campaign that Patton generated considerable controversy when hestruck a hospitalized G.I. whom he accused of being a malingerer. For this act, the general was forced toissue a public apology. Such miscues forced General Eisenhower to reprimand the outspoken and colorful
general.
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Patton's expertise in tank command helped frustrate the December 1944 German counteroffensive in the
Ardennes at the Battle of the Bulge. Under his command the Third Army swept into Germany and into
Czechoslovakia. In April 1945, Patton was promoted to temporary four-star general but was removed by
Eisenhower from his leadership of the Third Army for making inflammatory remarks concerning thedenazification policies.
In December 1945, less than a year after the defeat of the Nazis, Patton was killed in an automobile accident
in Germany.
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« Reply #18 - on: 27.11.2016 at 07:57 [UT] »Quote from Debra M. on 24.11.2016 at 21:15 [UT]:
azure: Thanks for the thoughts on Regulus, but the idea of the Regulus with the Military Generals, actually was even a bit surprising to me
because their problems, (per se), what they did to be demoted or given the tongue lashing publicly as well as privately, had nothing to dowith others, but rather their OWN choices, their own decsision, their own errors (for lack of a better word) i.e. their own persoanlities
which in their case often went too far and others might say, they simply got back (from the universe) what they gave and dished out toothers via their elevated positions.
Each was different of course, but I started to notice a pattern of the Fall. So thats why I chose the military, because their lives at least in
the miltiary were more an open book., whereas, not so with their personal lives.
For example, one hit his men physically, slapping one that made headlines during the War (WW2), and caused his dressing down.
One had a secret affair with a woman doing his biography, which proved to be not good press, but other then this, what really harmed his
career was being interviewed by Rolling Stone and the weather! (The weather was very bad in Europe and planes departing all over Europe

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Gender:were not leaving, but at a standstill), causing one Reporter to have to stay in Afghanistan for weeks longer then he might have otherwise.
Interesting how things comes together for the fall.

How about your life, (other than your father), what do you think you recall as a monumental fallfrom a higher place, IF it took place at all?

Deb
I made it clear that I didn't have a high status.
people I can tell you that.

What fall I did have was orchestrated by not very honest

My point is that you can't assume that somebody necessarily brought it on themselves. I don't think Regulus
signifies that necessarily at all. In some cases a person might have a regal bearing, or have an attitude thatgets up peoples noses. But by and large I would say that Regulus will not have any ultimate bearing on yourlife. It's what you make of it.
I think though that Regulus might have a role in bringing people down to a level of humility. I don't say this isalways deserved, but it's interesting. I would say this is more appropriate than saying they got theircomuppance due to spite or nastiness etc.
Not sure you got my point there. It's got something to do with dropping the ego. The buddhists say that if
you have a difficult life it's because you chose to ascend. I hope you can see the paradox there. It's not always
fitting that difficulties are deserved. Rather, they can be seen as an opportunity. Easy to say, difficult to achieveof course. I think that is more along the lines of what Liz Greene would say, although she would talk more
about subconscious motivations. Greene speaks more about Saturn and Chiron in this respect, I haven't seen
her commenting on Regulus, but it seems that the issues are similar.
There is a lot of brutality in the military, and often it's institutionalised. Gen Patton sounds like a nasty piece ofwork. Not everybody with Regulus on the MC is. He is however an extreme.
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