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Codename
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Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« on: 22.04.2014 at 19:46 [UT+1] »For some people it all happens early on if life, career, marriage, house, kids, fame, artistic abilities ( in whateverorder) and maybe other things that I have forgotten.
For others struggle seems to be the order of the day, but then it all comes together for them at a later stage inlife perhaps.
Is there anything in the chart to indicate being a late bloomer retro planets, Saturn, the moon out of bounds
etc
What do others think?
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Anita

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #1 - on: 23.04.2014 at 01:39 [UT+1] »Quote from Codename on 22.04.2014 at 19:46 [UT+1]:
For some people it all happens early on if life, career, marriage, house, kids, fame, artistic abilities ( in whatever order) and maybe otherthings that I have forgotten.

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Gender:For others struggle seems to be the order of the day, but then it all comes together for them at a later stage in life perhaps.
Is there anything in the chart to indicate being a late bloomer retro planets, Saturn, the moon out of bounds etc
What do others think?

Hi Codename:Have you taken a look at aspects to the mid-heaven?
Thanks,Anita.
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Alice T
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #2 - on: 23.04.2014 at 07:46 [UT+1] »I've heard that Capricorn rising produces late bloomers as the climb is slow and fraught with difficulty, but all
the steadier. I'd say anything touched by Saturn blooms later in life, after the hard lessons. What fun
My B is m G and it's only now, in my late thirties, that I'm experiencing emotional satisfaction and a sense ofwell-being. Also, having kids and setting up a home of my own brought the experience of happy family life tome. There wasn't much of that before. So I'd say things get better with the years

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #3 - on: 23.04.2014 at 07:52 [UT+1] »Quote from Alice T on 23.04.2014 at 07:46 [UT+1]:
I've heard that Capricorn rising produces late bloomers as the climb is slow and fraught with difficulty, but all the steadier. I'd say anything
touched by Saturn blooms later in life, after the hard lessons. What fun

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Cap rising and Saturn on DSC. Still waiting to bloom

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #4 - on: 23.04.2014 at 09:53 [UT+1] »The very first astrologer I met said I am a late bloomer. Though I have had a pretty amazing life so far. Findinga path I want to stay on has proved to be tough.
I am a capricorn rising with saturn (and mars) on the midheaven. Further the ascendant is surrounded by
Neptune/jupiter in cap at 0/3 and venus at 15, my mercury is also in cap at 27. Also my saturn return was later
than for most people. I am from 7th of feb 1984 and my saturn is at 16 scorpio. So the first pass was atnovember 2013 and I turned 30 in feb. There will be no second and third pass but it's going to come close in
July again. But saturn has also been squaring my 17 aqua sun. While the first 28 years of my life have been fast
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Gender:and furious (awesome that is). The past two have been tough. Not that I have not experienced any good stuff,
it has been slow development, lots of reflecting on life and thinking about choices that will lead me to asatisfactory future. The first 30 years have been only about learning. I've studied until I was 27, after that had
some jobs, but nothing that lasted. Also my pluto is at 2 scorpio is passing planet after planet throughout mylife. So loads of change, loads of discarding of old things and creating a new life all the time. Something which
I've never had trouble with, except for the past two years. Must say that at this moment it feels like life ispicking up again. Let go of the old and working on the new.
I've now (since a couple of months, my SR in feb really) made my mind up about a direction I would like totake and at this moment I am working hard to accomplish that.

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Curiosa Nervosa

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #5 - on: 23.04.2014 at 11:24 [UT+1] »ABasc fj G1st Gmasc AmG

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #6 - on: 23.04.2014 at 13:13 [UT+1] »cap 1deg off MC intercepted in 10th house, with G in fifth cusp in cancer, If my current plans finally come tofruition this year, I may reach my goal of teaching sewing which Ive had since pre high school with somesuccess. T G has been p natal sun and going back to p natalG by the end of the year.
Cant get much later than that
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #7 - on: 23.04.2014 at 18:48 [UT+1] »Codename
This is very interesting, I definitely say Saturn and Cappy , my friend is a successful career wise but be doesn't
feel like his life has been full filled " having family" of his own, he will turn 50 he has 1 degree Cap Asc
Iam way passed my dues but in opposite of my friend problen , I have Sat in Cap trine NN
My son has late degree Cap Asc withe Sun and Mercury in Cap 12 house he's only 13 very smart and acts liike if
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Codename
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #8 - on: 23.04.2014 at 23:56 [UT+1] »So it seems to be Capricorn rising for many people and Saturn on or near MC.
And I agree as you said Alice anything Saturn touches is slowed down.
Found this quote and thought it was nice ' Saturn does not deny, it delays and saves the best for last.'
So a message of hope for everyone who is waiting!
Yes, I think I'm somewhat of a late bloomer too married at 34 first and only child at 36.Career work wise it's
been upand down that I put down to Pluto in my 10th and some bad luck along the way. I don't have a Cap ascendant
but have Saturn retro in the eighth so delays finance and security wise which fits.
Below is the chart of a late bloomer the now famous singer Susan Boyle.
Also a couple of articles on late bloomers,www.laterbloomer.com/late-bloomers-1
www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200810/confessions-late-bloomer

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Codename

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #9 - on: 24.04.2014 at 00:04 [UT+1] »Quote from scorpika on 23.04.2014 at 07:52 [UT+1]:
Quote from Alice T on 23.04.2014 at 07:46 [UT+1]:
I've heard that Capricorn rising produces late bloomers as the climb is slow and fraught with difficulty, but all the steadier.
I'd say anything touched by Saturn blooms later in life, after the hard lessons. What fun

Cap rising and Saturn on DSC. Still waiting to bloom

Don't give up

There's a place in the sun for all the flowers.

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #10 - on: 24.04.2014 at 00:34 [UT+1] »Wow I can relate to her pluto conjunct NN, and her Saturn in Cap and mars in cancer.....
But I can't sing lol
That tells me follow your dreams now no matter what is the age

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Codename

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #11 - on: 24.04.2014 at 00:56 [UT+1] »Quote from tulipp on 24.04.2014 at 00:34 [UT+1]:
Wow I can relate to her pluto conjunct NN, and her Saturn in Cap and mars in cancer.....
But I can't sing lol
That tells me follow your dreams now no matter what is the age

TulippOnwards we go...
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blackjosefine
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #12 - on: 24.04.2014 at 01:36 [UT+1] »ABC j, all m
G in 1H, o that j triple conjunction....
I've never been a late bloomer per se, as I pretty much have done most things in the same time as otherpoeple my age.
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But in true j style, I have already divorced (first marriage with another j where we alternated who played
mum or dad to the other) and have focused on career and NOT on starting a family.

In terms of what other people thing about "what time is the right one" to do all these cultural milestones, thecurrent J in j is changing those views.
More women are waiting until after establishing a career (j) to start a family, and there are now so many 35+
aged mothers, it's almost weird now to see a woman under 25 with a kid.....
At least in my circles, if you are 25 with kids, it seems like you have no ambitions....
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Curiosa Nervosa

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #13 - on: 24.04.2014 at 12:01 [UT+1] »Quote from blackjosefine on 24.04.2014 at 01:36 [UT+1]:

ABC j, all m
G in 1H, o that j triple conjunction....
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I've never been a late bloomer per se, as I pretty much have done most things in the same time as other poeple my age.
But in true

j style, I have already divorced (first marriage with another j where we alternated who played mum or dad to the other)and have focused on career and NOT on starting a family.

In terms of what other people thing about "what time is the right one" to do all these cultural milestones, the current

J in j is changing

those views.
More women are waiting until after establishing a career (j) to start a family, and there are now so many 35+ aged mothers, it's almost

weird now to see a woman under 25 with a kid.....
At least in my circles, if you are 25 with kids, it seems like you have no ambitions....

But how old are you?
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DitisJenn
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #14 - on: 24.04.2014 at 12:08 [UT+1] »Am I correct when I say the first saturn return is very important for people with a load of j and G energy?
I have always had an amazing life, then for about two years (the past two) it has been tough and now towards
the end of my Saturn return things are picking up again.
Late bloomer I don't know, my life has been pretty much about learning learning learning, which I love. Andchange. Which I also love. But I don't have the feeling I am not blooming, or have not had great years already.
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Gender:My ambitions are huge, so maybe that will bloom later in life? But then again, what is late?

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #15 - on: 24.04.2014 at 12:34 [UT+1] »Four of five planets in Capricorn will definitely do it. Many of these children were born in the mid-90's, and are
graduating to a miserable economy that will hold them back their entire lives in the US.
Four of five planets in the 2nd House will do it - too much energy in the house of earnings is not a good thing.
Also, Uranus or Neptune on the 2nd House cusp predisposes one to a lifetime of unstable earnings. If one
manages to marry their way out of it, one escapes the effect, but otherwise it leads to late or no blooming.
In Jyotish, there is an asterism particularly associated with "late blooming". It is Uttara Ashada (late Capricorn
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and the very early part of Aquarius in a western chart). Having the Moon in this asterism is associated with"late blooming". Having the Moon in the asterism of Purva Ashada, its counterpart in early Capricorn, isassociated with "early blooming".

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Tangerine
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #16 - on: 25.04.2014 at 09:46 [UT+1] »Hi All. This is my 5 yo sons' chart. From this discussion, he will be living with me until he is grey with all of thej!

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #17 - on: 25.04.2014 at 18:25 [UT+1] »Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 24.04.2014 at 12:01 [UT+1]:
Quote from blackjosefine on 24.04.2014 at 01:36 [UT+1]:

ABC j, all m
G in 1H, o that j triple conjunction....
I've never been a late bloomer per se, as I pretty much have done most things in the same time as other poeple my age.

Posts: 2463

But in true

j style, I have already divorced (first marriage with another j where we alternated who played mum or dad

to the other) and have focused on career and NOT on starting a family.

In terms of what other people thing about "what time is the right one" to do all these cultural milestones, the current

J in

j is changing those views.
jMore women are waiting until after establishing a career ( ) to start a family, and there are now so many 35+ aged
mothers, it's almost weird now to see a woman under 25 with a kid.....
At least in my circles, if you are 25 with kids, it seems like you have no ambitions....
But how old are you?

Turned 31 this year. Had my Saturn Return in Nov 2012.
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blackjosefine
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #18 - on: 25.04.2014 at 18:27 [UT+1] »Quote from Tangerine on 25.04.2014 at 09:46 [UT+1]:
Hi All. This is my 5 yo sons' chart. From this discussion, he will be living with me until he is grey with all of thej!

Not with that Ei and Dk.....he'll be out the door traveling if he canPosts: 2463

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Tangerine

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #19 - on: 26.04.2014 at 01:28 [UT+1] »Quote from blackjosefine on 25.04.2014 at 18:27 [UT+1]:
Quote from Tangerine on 25.04.2014 at 09:46 [UT+1]:
Hi All. This is my 5 yo sons' chart. From this discussion, he will be living with me until he is grey with all of the

Not with that

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Ei and Dk.....he'll be out the door traveling if he canExcellent, like mother like son.

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Curiosa Nervosa
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #20 - on: 26.04.2014 at 12:29 [UT+1] »Quote from blackjosefine on 25.04.2014 at 18:25 [UT+1]:
Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 24.04.2014 at 12:01 [UT+1]:
Quote from blackjosefine on 24.04.2014 at 01:36 [UT+1]:

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ABC j, all m
G in 1H, o that j triple conjunction....
I've never been a late bloomer per se, as I pretty much have done most things in the same time as otherpoeple my age.
But in true

j style, I have already divorced (first marriage with another j where we alternated who played

mum or dad to the other) and have focused on career and NOT on starting a family.

In terms of what other people thing about "what time is the right one" to do all these cultural milestones,
the currentinis changing those views.

JjMore women are waiting until after establishing a career (j) to start a family, and there are now so many35+ aged mothers, it's almost weird now to see a woman under 25 with a kid.....
At least in my circles, if you are 25 with kids, it seems like you have no ambitions....
But how old are you?

Turned 31 this year. Had my Saturn Return in Nov 2012.

Ok, so you would not really know yet if you are a late bloomer then I assume..

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #21 - on: 26.04.2014 at 15:42 [UT+1] »Quote from Codename on 24.04.2014 at 00:04 [UT+1]:
Quote from scorpika on 23.04.2014 at 07:52 [UT+1]:
Quote from Alice T on 23.04.2014 at 07:46 [UT+1]:
I've heard that Capricorn rising produces late bloomers as the climb is slow and fraught with difficulty, but
all the steadier. I'd say anything touched by Saturn blooms later in life, after the hard lessons. What fun

Cap rising and Saturn on DSC. Still waiting to bloom

Don't give up

There's a place in the sun for all the flowers.

Sewit remember the saying ' better late then never.'But Ive crammed an awful lot of living into the 68 lead up years, Im probably more ready to take on the
responsibility now.
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blackjosefine
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #22 - on: 28.04.2014 at 02:23 [UT+1] »Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 26.04.2014 at 12:29 [UT+1]:
Quote from blackjosefine on 25.04.2014 at 18:25 [UT+1]:
Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 24.04.2014 at 12:01 [UT+1]:
Quote from blackjosefine on 24.04.2014 at 01:36 [UT+1]:

ABC j, all m
G in 1H, o that j triple conjunction....
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I've never been a late bloomer per se, as I pretty much have done most things in the sametime as other poeple my age.
But in true

j style, I have already divorced (first marriage with another j where wealternated who played mum or dad to the other) and have focused on career and NOT on
starting a family.

In terms of what other people thing about "what time is the right one" to do all these cultural
milestones, the current

J in j is changing those views.

More women are waiting until after establishing a career (j) to start a family, and there are

now so many 35+ aged mothers, it's almost weird now to see a woman under 25 with a kid.....
At least in my circles, if you are 25 with kids, it seems like you have no ambitions....
But how old are you?

Turned 31 this year. Had my Saturn Return in Nov 2012.
Ok, so you would not really know yet if you are a late bloomer then I assume..

When we say late, are we comparing it to generally accepted norms (society/culture) of what are normal rites of
passage for certain age groups?
Ex 18-22 is college, 22-30 establishing career and/or family, 30-40 raising children, etc....??
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sworm09

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #23 - on: 29.04.2014 at 00:59 [UT+1] »Quote from Codename on 22.04.2014 at 19:46 [UT+1]:
For some people it all happens early on if life, career, marriage, house, kids, fame, artistic abilities ( in whatever order) and maybe otherthings that I have forgotten.
For others struggle seems to be the order of the day, but then it all comes together for them at a later stage in life perhaps.
Is there anything in the chart to indicate being a late bloomer retro planets, Saturn, the moon out of bounds etc
What do others think?

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Gender:Saturn. All. The. Way.

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #24 - on: 29.04.2014 at 11:00 [UT+1] »Quote from blackjosefine on 28.04.2014 at 02:23 [UT+1]:
Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 26.04.2014 at 12:29 [UT+1]:
Quote from blackjosefine on 25.04.2014 at 18:25 [UT+1]:
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Quote from blackjosefine on 24.04.2014 at 01:36 [UT+1]:

ABC j, all m
G in 1H, o that j triple conjunction....
I've never been a late bloomer per se, as I pretty much have done most things in
the same time as other poeple my age.

jj

But in truestyle, I have already divorced (first marriage with anotherwhere
we alternated who played mum or dad to the other) and have focused on career and
NOT on starting a family.

In terms of what other people thing about "what time is the right one" to do allthese cultural milestones, the current

J in j is changing those views.

More women are waiting until after establishing a career (j) to start a family, andthere are now so many 35+ aged mothers, it's almost weird now to see a woman
under 25 with a kid.....
At least in my circles, if you are 25 with kids, it seems like you have noambitions....
But how old are you?

Turned 31 this year. Had my Saturn Return in Nov 2012.
Ok, so you would not really know yet if you are a late bloomer then I assume..

When we say late, are we comparing it to generally accepted norms (society/culture) of what are normal rites of passage for certain age
groups?
Ex 18-22 is college, 22-30 establishing career and/or family, 30-40 raising children, etc....??

It could be those things, but it can also be a lot of other things. You may "find yourself" at 60 for instance..
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #25 - on: 04.05.2014 at 01:31 [UT+1] »When we say late, are we comparing it to generally accepted norms (society/culture) of what are normal rites of
passage for certain age groups?
Ex 18-22 is college, 22-30 establishing career and/or family, 30-40 raising children, etc....??
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Shows how times have changed. I have ..............................
Capricorn Asc square Saturn/Neptune/Venus stellium in 10th in a T-square with Uranus in 6th.
18- 23 having children,marriage, 27 - 42 family and career plus divorce, 42 grandparent

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #26 - on: 04.05.2014 at 03:55 [UT+1] »I agree with the Saturn indicator. But also, sometimes oppositions to the sun can make it difficult for the
person to express what s/he has inside. Here Saturn can be an ally, because he does tend to reward his apt
pupils later in life.

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CelineMember« Reply #27 - on: 04.05.2014 at 05:06 [UT+1] »I also agree with the Saturn indicator. I am a late bloomer myself, so I know. I have Saturn 26 Cap, Moon 16
Cap (so applying to Saturn). I also have Saturn opposite Sun.

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Gender:I matured emotionally very slowly. It was only in my thirties that I started feeling contented. I was unhappy asa child and a teenager, and I don't remember ever being 'young' (until I reached mid-thirties - it's been young
and younger since then)I've had a very hard time in the last year and a half, starting with T Saturn square Moon, Mercury, and then Sun
and then itself. I still haven't recovered from this, and I feel very disheartened and low (a bit like I felt in mytwenties), but hopefully I will recover and get back on my "blooming" path!
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #28 - on: 09.05.2014 at 13:05 [UT+1] »I agree with Saturn for late bloomers and through the different charts I have studied it takes time forsomething to bloom. Einstein focused on one theory for 10 years, so even three theories would take 30 years
to fully think through/stew over with his Mercury conjunct Saturn. Saturn is the great inhibitor it can take along time to really shine up that dull metal. A Sun-Saturn man spent most his lifetime building a castle stone
by stone (literally) and it's an awesome feat considering the effort he put into building. All of his efforts
eventfully paid-off and came to fruition, Saturn rules those things that are really worth waiting for and thathave been hard-won and earned. With Sun-Saturn there has to be a sense of accomplishment that the person
can leave this lifetime, knowing that he or she really did leave and mark on society and achieved something.

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SandboxMember« Reply #29 - on: 11.05.2014 at 12:56 [UT+1] »Quote from Evescaduceus on 24.04.2014 at 12:34 [UT+1]:
Four of five planets in Capricorn will definitely do it. Many of these children were born in the mid-90's, and are graduating to a miserable
economy that will hold them back their entire lives in the US.
Four of five planets in the 2nd House will do it - too much energy in the house of earnings is not a good thing. Also, Uranus or Neptune on
the 2nd House cusp predisposes one to a lifetime of unstable earnings. If one manages to marry their way out of it, one escapes theeffect, but otherwise it leads to late or no blooming.
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Gender:this is interesting. I don't have four planets but I have 3 + the south node.
I had always attributed my inability to succeed at anything to my G conjunct D (no love/no money)
but in the 2nd H I have J (and I'd always thought it was good to have the big money planet in the money
house!!) then I have F conjunct O conjunct South Node - opposite 8th house sun, Chiron and obviously K.
no wonder the universe resorts to the most unimaginable bullshit to prevent my succeeding at anything.
great example of F in the 2nd being anything but "lucky." all it does is make bad things worse
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blackjosefine
Member« Reply #30 - on: 15.05.2014 at 01:29 [UT+1] »Quote from Sandbox on 11.05.2014 at 12:56 [UT+1]:
Quote from Evescaduceus on 24.04.2014 at 12:34 [UT+1]:
Four of five planets in Capricorn will definitely do it. Many of these children were born in the mid-90's, and are graduating
to a miserable economy that will hold them back their entire lives in the US.
Four of five planets in the 2nd House will do it - too much energy in the house of earnings is not a good thing. Also,

Uranus or Neptune on the 2nd House cusp predisposes one to a lifetime of unstableearnings. If one manages to marry their way out of it, one escapes the effect, but otherwise it leads to late or no
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blooming.
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this is interesting. I don't have four planets but I have 3 + the south node.
I had always attributed my inability to succeed at anything to my

G conjunct D (no love/no money)J

but in the 2nd H I have(and I'd always thought it was good to have the big money planet in the money house!!) then I haveconjunctconjunct South Node - opposite 8th house sun, Chiron and obviously
.

O

F

K

no wonder the universe resorts to the most unimaginable bullshit to prevent my succeeding at anything.

great example of F in the 2nd being anything but "lucky." all it does is make bad things worse

Oooorrrrrrr....GmD is actually serious love and serious money! You'll have to work for it, but G generally gives
the best and longest lasting rewards.
And it's not F in the 2H that's messing with your finances, it's O...sudden wins and sudden losses. F justmagnifies the size to huge wins/losses! I've got the same FmO in 2H.....can also be interpreted as an huge
optimist (F) and iconoclastic rebel (O) who values philosophy, higher learning, travel (F) and outsider status(O).
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #31 - on: 16.05.2014 at 06:22 [UT+1] »My MC is at 29j - im 34 and still don't know what I want to do career wise (G also trines this from the 5th)
and truthfully, I just want to live in a tee-pee or a little cottage and be mostly self sufficient - I don't want tothink and plan about careers!
I still feel like a teenager even though I have a young son..
My NAkm MC p G (by 7 degrees) so abit wide but I have been in love with 2 older males who are wellestablished/prominent within their careers as musicians but they were not late bloomers.
I think I am definitely a late bloomer in the realm of 'love relationships' and my 'direction in life'.. I think also
(in my case) the ASCBa gives me the feeling of being 'under developed' in many areas of my life,
so maybe the Arian energy contributes to late blooming also? Maybe this is where its been a conundrum
for me, as my angles are: ASC 28a o MC 29j (I think that is a cardinal cross?)
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #32 - on: 18.05.2014 at 09:47 [UT+1] »Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 23.04.2014 at 11:24 [UT+1]:

ABasc fj G1st Gmasc AmG

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I'd say I was a late bloomer - I have Saturn Trine Moon and Ascendant.
ascendant (and squares MC)

My moon also conjuncts my

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #33 - on: 19.05.2014 at 22:08 [UT+1] »i have Gmf asc, and DnG...i will say like sandbox : " no love no money"
i am 35, and this is still the truth and i want to say that truth is even hardening with aging.
and to evescaduceus, 'you have to work" thing doesn't work either, i made 2 burnout after i involved myself
totally in my job, the reward goes to others. i have Go Mc in my natal chart. So i am quite doomed.
let's see how it will go for me later but as a saturnian fellow i am not like others who think saturn is better withage. I know i feel more relaxed on some things in life, life is hard and i am used to...but in the other way,i livewith a mask of joy and try to cope with life because i have a family who loves me but the deeper truth i hide isjust a dark non*sense and the misery of my own life, plus that suffering...then i remember that sentence ofgreat writer Georges Bernanos:" even the most miserable fellow has his own truth"
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #34 - on: 20.05.2014 at 20:50 [UT+1] »Quote from entrevisions on 19.05.2014 at 22:08 [UT+1]:
i haveGmf asc, and DnG...i will say like sandbox : " no love no money"

i am 35, and this is still the truth and i want to say that truth is even hardening with aging.
and to evescaduceus, 'you have to work" thing doesn't work either, i made 2 burnout after i involved myself totally in my job, the reward
goes to others. i have

GoMc in my natal chart. So i am quite doomed.

let's see how it will go for me later but as a saturnian fellow i am not like others who think saturn is better with age. I know i feel more

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relaxed on some things in life, life is hard and i am used to...but in the other way,i live with a mask of joy and try to cope with life
because i have a family who loves me but the deeper truth i hide is just a dark non*sense and the misery of my own life, plus that
suffering...then i remember that sentence of great writer Georges Bernanos:" even the most miserable fellow has his own truth"

I don't think Saturn o anything means you are doomed. Yes, nothing comes easy...you will have more setbacks and obstacles than others with flowing aspects. However, the lesson of G is endurance and perseverance.
Hence why we are associating G with late-bloomers, those that have had to work long and hard to achieve
something (monetary, social, spiritual, familial...whatever you want to deem as an achievement).
So I don't think G dooms us, instead I think he challenges us to dig deep to achieve something. And he keeps
throwing wrenches (spanners for you brits) in the cogs to see how well you have learned. Other posters
here have noted that the blooming can come after 50 or even 60, so at 35 you are still a babe in arms
EDIT: So am I...a baby in G terms
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #35 - on: 22.05.2014 at 02:01 [UT+1] »I am definitely a late bloomer. But I am ok with blooming late as long as I bloom at some point

I have Gdin the 11th, So it's taking me awhile to realize my dreams. It has only been in the past few years that I got
serious about my goals so I am slowly but surely getting somewhere.. i hope.

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #36 - on: 26.05.2014 at 05:58 [UT+1] »Hello!
you should see how fun is saturn in first house! It's in aquarius, square venus, square mercury, squarepluto yeeei! ! semisextile moon , uranus, neptune,opposite midheaven.
My short story! Father died when I was 1 year old, my childhood was smtimes very poor, I was also bullied inschool emotionally and verbaly..bullied continued till 9 th grade than stopped. I was in a toxic relationship , I
got suspect of bone cancer 2 timrs, got one surgery and expecting another. I was always a pasionate student
but now I cannot graduate with all my colleagued bcz of the surgery. I have basically no friends to call me tosay It will be oky, relatives are also a bunch of pesky arguing ppl ...so thats saturn in first for you! I am only
22.lots of struggle by this age I daresay....pls don't say to me that other ppl go through pains bigger thanme...I also have moon in capricorn in first house..it's poisoning for us to hear that..not everybody can open up
and if you say such things is not comforting but bellitle and dismis of ones problems. Everybody's problems areimportant and significsnt in ones life. So please be gentle with saturnian people...
no matter the placementof it...it's all struggle and no love..I am lucky is not conj asc...even if it's my dominant planet. I have moon
neptune and hranus conj asc
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #37 - on: 26.05.2014 at 09:19 [UT+1] »Bj probably doesn't help ...to lessen the G influence for sure...
i don't know we still not have serious feedback form an experienced saturnian here someone who is 40-60 yo
and explain how he lived his G and of course speak it honestly.
the only honest feedback positive about saturn and age i have read is from a 50yo man who said that he feel
freer, lighter than when he was Young when he had the feeling of being overwhelmed, overbeeared byrepsonsability.
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #38 - on: 26.05.2014 at 18:59 [UT+1] »Quote from Tangerine on 25.04.2014 at 09:46 [UT+1]:
Hi All. This is my 5 yo sons' chart. From this discussion, he will be living with me until he is grey with all of thej!

His 8h cusp is conjunct Spica, so borrowing money (or inheriting it) to get his projects off the ground looks likea distinct possibility.
He has a massive 10h energy there (which is a Saturnian house anyway) with that mars, Pluto, sun - he knows
where he wants to get to and I think he will keep on bashing doors down until he gets there. I think his only
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problem will be 'taming the bucking bronco" within, to be honest
I am the proud possessor also of a 1h Saturn. Not only does it bring hardship and frustration, but the wisdom
associated with dealing with that. At the moment, I am going through a very saturnine (hopefully, temporary)experience of extreme back pain, and I have not yet fully "bloomed", but can definitely feel that my direction
has been found and things will be organised sooner or later for me to bring that to fruition. Saturn lends theability to wait.
My Saturn squares Moon on Scheat. yes, the early years were impossibly tough and I now realise I wasclinically depressed from earliest childhood (aged 3), until I worked through things and left that largely behind.
I also have a few things in Aquarius, also ruled by Saturn in trad astrology - venus and merc - as well as 2h
cusp and mars in Cap.
Undeniably, I have become a strong person in dealing what life has delivered, but whatever trophies Saturn
brings are mightly hard won, but durable when given. They may also be modest, but appreciated.
Lots of people I have seen having joyous youths turn into different (much less favourable) phases ofcircumstance and simply don't have the inner strength to deal with it (at first, anyway)- in many ways, I thinkthat is harder still.

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #39 - on: 27.05.2014 at 00:28 [UT+1] »Quote from Evescaduceus on 24.04.2014 at 12:34 [UT+1]:
Four of five planets in Capricorn will definitely do it. Many of these children were born in the mid-90's, and are graduating to a miserable
economy that will hold them back their entire lives in the US.
Four of five planets in the 2nd House will do it - too much energy in the house of earnings is not a good thing. Also, Uranus or Neptune on
the 2nd House cusp predisposes one to a lifetime of unstable earnings. If one manages to marry their way out of it, one escapes the

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effect, but otherwise it leads to late or no blooming.
In Jyotish, there is an asterism particularly associated with "late blooming". It is Uttara Ashada (late Capricorn and the very early part ofAquarius in a western chart). Having the Moon in this asterism is associated with "late blooming". Having the Moon in the asterism ofPurva Ashada, its counterpart in early Capricorn, is associated with "early blooming".

Geez you just described my situation (and my sisters's who was born in 1993).
I have all my cap planets in the 2nd house with my MOON also!
I feel that "being late" sense all
the time, it's hard but I never have (or ever will) give up (scorpio rising determination).
All mine are trine the MC so I'm thinking once I get though the initial rough patches (pluto is transiting ALL of
the planets) everything will be smooth sailing.
I'm curious to hear from anyone else born around my time (late 80's) or my sister's early 90's.
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #40 - on: 27.05.2014 at 06:32 [UT+1] »Quote from entrevisions on 26.05.2014 at 09:19 [UT+1]:

Bj probably doesn't help ...to lessen the G influence for sure...

Nope...but at least I don't also have a cappy sun. I am having enough with capricorn moon plus capricorn
ascendant
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #41 - on: 27.05.2014 at 22:23 [UT+1] »Quote from Camy Zanarkand on 27.05.2014 at 06:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from entrevisions on 26.05.2014 at 09:19 [UT+1]:

Bj probably doesn't help ...to lessen the G influence for sure...

Nope...but at least I don't also have a cappy sun. I am having enough with capricorn moon plus capricorn ascendant

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LOL

(I have ABC all j and G 1H....)

You are right, Camy, you do have it hard. The only consolation I have offer you is that the Capricorn myth
speaks of reverse time/ageing, so that after 40 life becomes easier and much more enjoyable. Us Cappies get all
the suffering done at an early age...we want to be mature, take on what adults take on, why not?!? (G*ddamn
stupid G)

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #42 - on: 27.05.2014 at 22:40 [UT+1] »Quote from entrevisions on 26.05.2014 at 09:19 [UT+1]:
i don't know we still not have serious feedback form an experienced saturnian here someone who is 40-60 yo and explain how he lived his

G and of course speak it honestly.

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I had never met an older Cap that I knew well until recently...my boss! He is a 74-old man who still works 6-7
days/week running his own company that he started 20+ years ago. His daughter and I are life-long friends, so
I have been privileged with some insider knowledge about his life:
He was born during WWII and remembers suffering under crushing starvation as a child. During the war he wassent off to a farm with other children to be kept away from the bombs falling on London...it was apparently adefining period in his life, where he felt alone with nothing and no one. He is incredibly disdainful of any type ofwaste, due to having nothing in childhood.
After schooling, he joined a company as salesman and steadily worked his way up...he sold the first calculator
to offices...some massive contraption that cost about $10,000 (if we convert it to today's currency). During thistime, he gained in experience and knowledge, working only on commission and finding crafty ways to notreport his failures in sales (if he pitched to someone who then did not buy) so that his stats always showed
100%...crafty Cap at it's finest!
He also married and suffered through a child-less and love-less marriage through his twenties and thirties.
Around 38 he met a dashing and beautiful Canadian woman whose parents were British. A Gemini/Cancer
hippie wild child, she was capable of out-talking the consummate salesman (they are still married 25+ years
later...and if you have dinner with both, it's next to impossible to get a word in with their very different but still
gabby conversation!!!). This was the first love-match for dour Cappy.
Two children followed for him in his early 40's....he dotes on both even now, and mostly keeps working 7 days aweek so that he can pass on as much knowledge/experience to his daughter before he retires.
After immigrating to Canada, he set up his own business and managed to get the family by on less than
$15,000/year through all sorts of rewards programs. He is a financial wizard in figuring out taxes and credit
programs to work to your advantage (all legal and incredibly useful to know!). Financial success has come in thelast 10 years, while he is in his 60's.
He now enjoys month-long vacations every quarter (well deserved after almost 30 years of suffering), and heand his wife live in different cities but travel together. This seems to work really well for both!
He also has the driest sense of humour and loves pointing out the absurdity in other people's behaviour. I try
and listen to as much of his meandering "natterings" (his word!) as I can, because they are riddled with pearlsof wisdom about sales techniques, reading people, and great tips on how to get by in life!! He whistles andhums all day long, is incredibly emotionally stable, but gets very upset when his daughter is in distress. He
comes to me or her other friends to get us to keep her on the straight and narrow if she won't listen to him. He
calls everyone sweetie in the office with no condescension....he also looks like Santa Claus...

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #43 - on: 28.05.2014 at 06:20 [UT+1] »Quote from blackjosefine on 27.05.2014 at 22:23 [UT+1]:
Quote from Camy Zanarkand on 27.05.2014 at 06:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from entrevisions on 26.05.2014 at 09:19 [UT+1]:

Bj probably doesn't help ...to lessen the G influence for sure...

Nope...but at least I don't also have a cappy sun. I am having enough with capricorn moon plus capricorn ascendant

LOL(I have

ABC all j and G 1H....)

You are right, Camy, you do have it hard. The only consolation I have offer you is that the Capricorn myth speaks of reverse time/ageing,
so that after 40 life becomes easier and much more enjoyable. Us Cappies get all the suffering done at an early age...we want to bemature, take on what adults take on, why not?!? (G*ddamn stupid

Thank you!

G)

wow, but your placements are no joke either

U mean I have it hard bcz of the ascendant? :-<well...that's my astro luck
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #44 - on: 28.05.2014 at 10:14 [UT+1] »As a ABFI in j, with j DC and GoD and E, I'm the definition of a late bloomer. Had my first kiss at
the ripe age of 26

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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #45 - on: 28.05.2014 at 15:25 [UT+1] »LAAAAATE bloomer here. I have a c AC o Gl in 10th with C in j and applying aspect to G, too. G m D
explains the fact why I am 18 and still haven't had my first kiss while MANY people have had sex at my age.
As regards artistic abilities, everyone tells me I am good at reciting and perhaps writing (not sure for that one)? Intellectually, I am NOT a late bloomer but I am such a slow (Cj) thinker (although analytical --> C H8)

Forgot to add a quite strong B p G and the fact that EVERYTHING except for B, D and G are placed in k
and j the G ruled signs. G, ruler of all these planets, being in l doesn't help blooming either
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #46 - on: 02.06.2014 at 20:22 [UT+1] »Quote from Camy Zanarkand on 28.05.2014 at 06:20 [UT+1]:
Quote from blackjosefine on 27.05.2014 at 22:23 [UT+1]:
Quote from Camy Zanarkand on 27.05.2014 at 06:32 [UT+1]:
Quote from entrevisions on 26.05.2014 at 09:19 [UT+1]:

Bj probably doesn't help ...to lessen the G influence for sure...

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Nope...but at least I don't also have a cappy sun. I am having enough with capricorn moon plus capricorn
ascendant

LOL(I have

ABC all j and G 1H....)

You are right, Camy, you do have it hard. The only consolation I have offer you is that the Capricorn myth speaks ofreverse time/ageing, so that after 40 life becomes easier and much more enjoyable. Us Cappies get all the suffering doneat an early age...we want to be mature, take on what adults take on, why not?!? (G*ddamn stupid

Thank you!

wow, but your placements are no joke eitherG)

U mean I have it hard bcz of the ascendant? :-< well...that's my astro

luck

Negatively seen, those placements are no joke. However, my task, as I see it, is to turn those into positive
expressions. I'm happy to say that since turning about 18, I have been able to get through some serious crap
in life and leave it behind! Now at 31, I am enjoying the freedom of being mature but not so much in relation
to my peers. Cap and Saturn prepared me for all this adult responsibility, so tackling all this difficult shit hasn't
been too hard in recent years!
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Re: Late Bloomers - Chart indicators« Reply #47 - on: 02.06.2014 at 20:25 [UT+1] »Quote from EternalMystic Viii on 28.05.2014 at 15:25 [UT+1]:
LAAAAATE bloomer here. I have ac AC o Gl in 10th with C in j and applying aspect to G, too. G m D explains the fact why I am

18 and still haven't had my first kiss while MANY people have had sex at my age.
As regards artistic abilities, everyone tells me I am good at reciting and perhaps writing (not sure for that one) ? Intellectually, I am NOT
a late bloomer but I am such a slow (Cj) thinker (although analytical --> C H8)

B p G and the fact that EVERYTHING except for B, D and G are placed in k and j the G ruled signs.
G, ruler of all these planets, being in l doesn't help blooming either
Forgot to add a quite strong

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What other Mercury aspects do you have?
Merc in Cap is often a fantastic researcher, due to the ability to focus for long periods of time. Also there isability there for analysis and categorization. This position makes me think of a librarian...the person that knows
where every single book on any subject is located in the library. And while they might not be capable ofjumping from subject to the next at the drop of a hat (like Gemini Merc), they are capable of focusing on a
subject until they master it!
Scientists and logicians come to mind with this aspect
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