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wild horse
MemberEU future« on: 19.04.2007 at 18:29 [UT+1] »Has anyone done, or know of, a chart of the EU and its future astrological forecast as from to day?
I work on EU funded projects in Romania and Romania's government is this evening, as I write, impeaching thePosts: 49
Gender:President of Romania which will thereby restrict the disbursement of the presently held 20 billion EU funds inBrussels for Romania and most probably will force the EU more into turmoil with economic and politicalconsequences.
My future salary depends on it.
Don't get me wrong there are plenty of real opportunities for me in the private sector and through other fundsin Romania (World Bank etc) but that would mean downgrading my career. Yet on the other hand having a title
but no real work to do doesn't provide me much enthousiasm or real opportunity if the so called investments
are later withdrawn.
It is well known politically that if EU fails in Romania it fails as a political might and power it wishes to protray
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wild horse

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Re: EU future« Reply #1 - on: 19.04.2007 at 18:35 [UT+1] »I forgot to say that the chart of Romania is not of interest since today's political decision will have, from all
points of view, negative implications. I am just wondering on future work on EU proposed projects in Eastern
Europe, Asia and Pacific etc
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Alan Knox
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Re: EU future« Reply #2 - on: 19.04.2007 at 19:36 [UT+1] »Hi Wild Horse,
I've attached the chart for the constituational inauguration of the EU in 1993, which is listed in Nicholas
Campion's "Book of World Horoscopes." I should note that since I am an adherant of the sidereal zodiac, theSun is technically in Libra, which I think better describes the Union's stringent liking for peace balance in all its
affairs and undertakings. The Moon in Taurus in the 10th house, I think describes everything you've justwritten regarding the Union's immense power in economic and monetary matters.
Hope this helps.
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wild horse

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Re: EU future« Reply #3 - on: 19.04.2007 at 22:02 [UT+1] »Hi Alan,I never understand world horiscopes: The EU was created in 1957, why use the less important date of a EU
Constitution - which actually never manifested itself as shown in various countries referendums.
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and the five or six consitutions that then followed as major life cyles of developement of which the major one
was De Gaulle in the 1950s.
Has Nicholas Campion untapped a big secret mystery ?

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Re: EU future« Reply #4 - on: 19.04.2007 at 22:25 [UT+1] »Sorry I must rectify. The EEC, precursor to the EU, was formed in 1957 following a number of bilateralagreements regarding the steel and agricultural indistries in Benelux, Grmany and France. It was modelled on
the Benelux agreement which dates back to the end of 19th century. The European Union was formed in 1992

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Gender:out of a political will to further develop the EEC in a political arena and for that the Shengen Accord (noboundaries), the Euro (for which the ECU was the precursor equivalent in all but politcal will) were adopted.
This then led to the EU Consitution debate currently underway in a number of countries. Historically it is clearthat the EU could not have existed without the 1957 Treaty of Rome. Shouldn't the EU chart be based on thetime and date of the 1957 treaty of Rome?

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Re: EU future« Reply #5 - on: 20.04.2007 at 00:25 [UT+1] »I guess the problem is far more complicated that it seems at a first view.
First of all, I don't know if you've noticed from the chart above that EU seems to have been born at a nighthour (12:01 AM) which is logical if we agree that 1st of Nov was the anticipated date for coming to existence.
But if we are thinking from the birth certificate view (the date that the treaty was signed) it would be
impossible to have happened at that hour so the birth date might be different that the one above. Now thequestion is what do we consider as a birth date in terms of mundane astrology: the time a pact is signed or thedate that this is factually applied?
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If we'll find the answer we will be able then to have a look on Romania's impact over the EU. But we'd also haveto consider two dates for it's adherence and a question is obvious about what to consider: the day the treaty
was signed (25th of April 2005, 5:53 PM CED, Luxembourg) or the day Romania actually become a part of theEU (1st of January 2007, 12:01 AM)? And also what place to consider in the second case: Bucharest orBrussels? Bucharest time or Brussels time?
Also I don't know if the EEC is to be considered, but on this subject I have no information to rely on. But if wesay that EU was born in 1957 (through EEC) we could extend the logic in this case and say that Romania wasborn in 1600, when the three provinces inhabited by Romanians were united into a whole. Of course the result
was not a state in the modern sense of the word, even tho' it had a political existence. But based on the sameidea it could be considered, right?
Anyway I would consider Romania to have been born on 5th (new style) of February 1959 (Aquarius), when twoof the old three principalities were united and not the unification from 1st of December 1918 when the third of
the provinces, Transilvania, adhered to The Great Romania. Therefore the Uranian component of this country
should never be underestimated and the last political events are proving it to the greatest extent.

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Ariel1
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Re: EU future« Reply #6 - on: 20.04.2007 at 09:39 [UT+1] »Isn't it the 25th March 1957? I can't remember the time, but it has a Libra Ascendant.
Sun in Aries, Moon in Aquarius, and Libra Ascendant. A nice combination in my opinion.

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Jan Martin

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Re: EU future« Reply #7 - on: 20.04.2007 at 15:56 [UT+1] »#A93:EU,*,e,1.1.1958,0:00,Bruxelles,BE#B93:*,50n50,4e20,1e00,0#ZNAM:MEZ

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wild horse
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Re: EU future« Reply #8 - on: 20.04.2007 at 19:12 [UT+1] »Thanks Hilde, I think you hit the nail on the head concerning my query about mundane astrology: namely thequestion of whether you use the date of signature or the date of application of it?

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as most of us do here, "as above so below" and "unity in everything".... but then they may not, in which casewhich one is right?
Thanks for spelling out the Uranian influence in Romania, which I interpret is not only due to present events
but to its history: there were Hungarian and German mother tongue primary and secondary schools under theCommunist dictature, and these pupils learnt Romanian as second language, just like the Romanians, in theirschools, were allowed to choose their second language (generally English or French). But there is the questionof Great Romania. While not officiliased in broad media, events in the past few years has meant that a verylarge proportion of people in the Moldovan Republic have arrived here. Further, to ease the present economic
overheat, the Romanian Government is in discussion, with EU support, to allow free entry of Moldovan working
citizens into Romania.
But present events unfolding show its entry into EU very unfavourable which are just too long to go into here but is being shown to be of more serious concern for EU taxpayers money than the entry of previous EU
candidiates.
However, the date of Romania's entry into the EU could help to establish the date of Romania's chart, no?
But my question was simpler:
What these negative impacts of Romania's entry into the EU, that are, or will be, known, would have on the EU
as a whole (its image, its future potential etc)?
Again, I would believe that looking at the transits of a particular preference for a date of the EU should be able
to establish this.
I am getting more and more confused here.

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Alan Knox

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Re: EU future« Reply #9 - on: 20.04.2007 at 22:34 [UT+1] »Hi Wild Horse,I've attached the Treaty of Rome chart below. I delibearately changed the zodiac to Sidereal as this gives thechart a Virgo ascendant and a Capricorn Moon which FAR better describes the Union's historical obsession withagriculture and farming, especially with regards to subsidies.
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Alan Knox
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Re: EU future« Reply #10 - on: 20.04.2007 at 22:43 [UT+1] »Also, here is the chart for the democratic Romania of 22nd December 1989. Pluto was forming a waxing
conjunction to the Sun on January 1st 2007 when Romania joined the EU, indicating a time of transformation.

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Ariel1

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Re: EU future« Reply #11 - on: 12.11.2007 at 09:58 [UT] »Isn't it in 25th March 1957? The Sun is in Aries, with a Libra ascendant, and the Moon in Aquarius.

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