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OJK21
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Horary - How/When do you use outer planets?
« on: 14.03.2012 at 15:09 [UT] »I tend not to pay much attention to the outer planets in a horary chart (probably because I first studdied
William Lilly), but some people do. What are your thoughts on the matter? Which works best in yourexperience?
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« Reply #1 - on: 14.03.2012 at 15:23 [UT] »I believe the main testimonies will be shown without needing the outer planets but they sometimes help
confirm things or colour things in more.
For example I've noticed that whilst Mars would normally signify operations - and indeed it still does - I havenoticed in practice that Neptune appears a lot in charts where the querent is undergoing surgery and mythoughts on this is that the anaesthetic used in surgeries nowadays is pretty obviously signified by a planet likeNeptune.
I often notice Uranus in breakups as well or in questions about separations of any kind (losing a job even).
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« Reply #2 - on: 14.03.2012 at 17:03 [UT] »Very interesting...Neptune and anesthesia are an obvious couple, but I never would have guessed Uranus playeda very big role in the dissolution of relationships of all kinds.
Makes me wonder in what ways the act of separation is uranian in and of itself.
I've a few thoughts, but none of them make me happy.
Going to sit on this one for a bit.
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« Reply #3 - on: 14.03.2012 at 17:19 [UT] »Quote from OJK21 on 14.03.2012 at 17:03 [UT]:
Very interesting...Neptune and anesthesia are an obvious couple, but I never would have guessed Uranus played a very big role in thedissolution of relationships of all kinds.
Makes me wonder in what ways the act of separation is uranian in and of itself.
I've a few thoughts, but none of them make me happy.
Going to sit on this one for a bit.

I consider Uranus to be a dissociative or disruptive influence so my guess is that this is why. Uranus, for me,
isn't necessarily about being 'quirky' or 'inventive' but is fundamentally more about being separate, the idea ofbeing apart and of separations and dissociation.

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« Reply #4 - on: 14.03.2012 at 22:39 [UT] »Many modern traditional horary astrologers who use outer planets tend to use them like fixed stars - using onlya 1 degree orb, and only when conjunct a primary significator. Personally I don't use outers for any astrology,
and haven't for years. If you asked me where an outer planet is in my own natal chart I couldn't tell you.

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« Reply #5 - on: 14.03.2012 at 23:26 [UT] »Quote from Enlil on 14.03.2012 at 22:39 [UT]:Many modern traditional horary astrologers who use outer planets tend to use them like fixed stars - using only a 1 degree orb, and only
when conjunct a primary significator. Personally I don't use outers for any astrology, and haven't for years. If you asked me where anouter planet is in my own natal chart I couldn't tell you.

So you use them exclusively in Mundane (if you practice)?
The idea of skiping over the outers in natal doesn't seem outlandish to me in the least since their influence isgenerational, but I do think the individual chart should be taken into consideration before deciding to throw
them out. It my chart couldn't make much sense without them, as I have both Uranus and Neptune closely
conjunct my sun.
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« Reply #6 - on: 15.03.2012 at 00:48 [UT] »Quote from OJK21 on 14.03.2012 at 23:26 [UT]:
So you use them exclusively in Mundane (if you practice)?

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The idea of skiping over the outers in natal doesn't seem outlandish to me in the least since their influence is generational, but I do think
the individual chart should be taken into consideration before deciding to throw them out. It my chart couldn't make much sense withoutthem, as I have both Uranus and Neptune closely conjunct my sun.

I don't really do mundane, but the generational aspect was traditionally shown by Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions.

I made a decision a long time ago that if I wanted to learn traditional astrology, I had to at least try it
unconditionally first without using anything modern to see how it ticked. I didn't want to mix things. That was
now several years ago, and now I read clients' natal and horary charts using those techniques.
It's not as easy as simply using or not using the outers, it's how you use the tools. I can guarantee that I canjust as much detail by using 7 planets as some astrologers can with 9 or more. It just depends how you usethem.
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« Reply #7 - on: 15.03.2012 at 10:07 [UT] »Quote from Enlil on 14.03.2012 at 22:39 [UT]:Many modern traditional horary astrologers who use outer planets tend to use them like fixed stars - using only a 1 degree orb, and only
when conjunct a primary significator. Personally I don't use outers for any astrology, and haven't for years. If you asked me where anouter planet is in my own natal chart I couldn't tell you.

I'd just be curious to see what your experiences are, but next time you get a horary about a person undergoinga surgery or if they're given new painkillers or something, just check see if Neptune is relevant - particular atight conjunction. I've seen it much more often than Mars, and I think it's because surgeries are no longer quite
so stamped with ideas of cutting and of heat like it would have been in older days. Now we're knocked out andblissfully unaware.
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« Reply #8 - on: 15.03.2012 at 14:08 [UT] »Quote from _Paul_ on 15.03.2012 at 10:07 [UT]:
Now we're knocked out and blissfully unaware.

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these kinds of things (and sleep aids) as "confections" for Saturn.

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« Reply #9 - on: 15.03.2012 at 14:38 [UT] »Quote from Enlil on 15.03.2012 at 14:08 [UT]:
Quote from _Paul_ on 15.03.2012 at 10:07 [UT]:
Now we're knocked out and blissfully unaware.

Saturn, although just because someone is given painkillers or is knocked out for surgery, it doesn't mean the painkillers and being knocked
out is an important part of the question. People have always used some kind of painkiller or knocker-outer for surgery, even though ours
might be better. In fact "The Picatrix" talks about these kinds of things (and sleep aids) as "confections" for Saturn.

Well that makes a lot of sense. I'll also look for saturn significations. I had never considered them before forsurgery actually but yes, what I'm attributing to Neptune could well be attributed to Saturn here.
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« Reply #10 - on: 26.03.2012 at 11:02 [UT+1] »Quote from _Paul_ on 14.03.2012 at 17:19 [UT]:
Quote from OJK21 on 14.03.2012 at 17:03 [UT]:
Very interesting...Neptune and anesthesia are an obvious couple, but I never would have guessed Uranus played a very bigrole in the dissolution of relationships of all kinds.
Makes me wonder in what ways the act of separation is uranian in and of itself.
I've a few thoughts, but none of them make me happy.
Going to sit on this one for a bit.

I consider Uranus to be a dissociative or disruptive influence so my guess is that this is why. Uranus, for me, isn't necessarily about being'quirky' or 'inventive' but is fundamentally more about being separate, the idea of being apart and of separations and dissociation.

Sorry for taking so long to respond (my computer died and typing on my nook is frustrating). I am glad thatyou decided to continue the conversation in my absence.
My first thoughts were fairly similar. I see Uranus as an architect deep transformation, similar to Pluto, in a way.
The difference I think, is that Pluto fascilitates change to some end, usually an outcome that leaves things
better off than they were in some respect (not necessarily by means of some material gain; knowledge, or
perspective may be imparted too). Uranus calls to mind the destructive tendencies of a tornado: unpredictable,uncontrolable, and impersonal.
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« Reply #11 - on: 26.03.2012 at 11:17 [UT+1] »Quote from OJK21 on 26.03.2012 at 11:02 [UT+1]:
Uranus calls to mind the destructive tendencies of a tornado: unpredictable, uncontrolable, and impersonal.

Perhaps in a mundane way, but in a horary, not necessarily. Sometimes a conjunction of a significator withUranus (along with other factors of course) can coincide with a breakup or divorce.
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