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Penguin Trauma
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Sun Sign Astrology - yay or nay?
« on: 13.10.2008 at 21:02 [UT+1] »It seems that opinion here is sharply divided here, as to whether Sun Sign astrology is relevant - or is it justtoo commercial or general.
As I said in another thread - I think Sun Sign astrology is highly relevant. It provides the starting blocks for amore in-depth learning about the more complex stuff. An analogy I would use, is that you couldn't learn toread unless you knew each letter of the alphabet first. That's how I see Sun signs, as a celestial 'alphabet' does that make sense?
Then you learn about the whole chart, houses. It took me months to perfect how to draw a chart manually - inthe Golden Days before the humble computer. You need to know your maths!
Then transits, progressions, synastry - the more complex stuff. I only learnt about transits a year ago! Still
don't know about Solar Arcs - or what Chiron does for that matter, I'm still learning! I cannot make head or tailabout Horary either
I'm curious who is for and who is against? And reasons why?
Note: I may have stirred up a hornets nest here, but this thread is not meant to provoke or start arguments so PLEASE, no flaming.
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Pixie Vixen

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« Reply #1 - on: 13.10.2008 at 21:09 [UT+1] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 13.10.2008 at 21:02 [UT+1]:
It seems that opinion here is sharply divided here, as to whether Sun Sign astrology is relevant - or is it just too commercial.
As I said in another thread - I think Sun Sign astrology is highly relevant. It provides the starting blocks for a more in-depth learning
about the more complex stuff. An analogy I would use, is that you couldn't learn to read unless you knew each letter of the alphabet first.
That's how I see Sun signs, as a celestial 'alphabet' - does that make sense?
Then you learn about the whole chart, houses. Then transits, progressions, synastry - the more complex stuff. I only learnt about transits
a year ago! Still don't know about Solar Arcs - or what Chiron does for that matter, I'm still learning! I cannot make head or tail about
Horary either
I'm curious who is for and who is against? And reasons why?
Note: I may have stirred up a hornets nest here, but this thread is not meant to provoke or start arguments - so PLEASE, no flaming.

Amen, amen- I applaud you for posting up this thread since I was recently accused of reading a book thatcovered (it also covered SO much more) Sun Astrology; it is very relevant, as you said, for the true novices to
Astrology- how will you understand chart interpretation if you don't know the difference between j or f, or
perhaps c and i? It's a good idea when you're a beginner to learn all about the sun signs, what they mean,
what house they naturally cover, their relationships to one another (elementally wise and aspect wise) and thelist goes on.
It is a necessary basic that we must all learn if we want to be very knowledgeable in this very vast subject called
Astrology.
After the basics, I think one should learn about the houses, aspects, etc- and also later if you like,synastry/composite.
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« Reply #2 - on: 13.10.2008 at 21:21 [UT+1] »I think Sun sign astrology is relevant - for a start its insights - general though they might be - bring a fairnumber of us to astrology in the first place. Of course the way it is used in the press can be exceedingly trivial
and misleading. But the Sun represents our vital centre, and while the way it operates can be modified by otherplanets, different placements, etc, there is something quite fundamental about our identification with our Sun
sign.
I had a friend once who was born on the cusp of Pisces and Aries, the most Piscean person you could evermeet. But because the day she was born was most often listed in magazine horoscopes as belonging to Aries,
she had thought astrology was total rubbish. She could not identify with Arian traits at all. In a way her doubt
proved the truth of Sun sign astrology, as well as the inaccuracies of its everyday presentation. I was glad toenlighten her that she was a Pisces.
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Chaotic Aqua

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« Reply #3 - on: 13.10.2008 at 23:10 [UT+1] »I think Sun Sign Astrology is very relevent. It's a basic jumping off point for anyone who learns astrology.
Although the other aspects within astrology add to the character and depth of a person, your sun sign is themost basic description of who a person is, in most cases. There's a huge difference between the inconjunctsigns in particular especially in compatibility, I don't find Virgo men interesting for some reason, I'm an
Aquarius and have found that sun sign astrology has helped determine basic compatibility.
Very few people, who's charts that I've seen any way, seem to have a definative influence in thier chart that
contradicts their sun sign entirely. As for predictive astrology, that's a whole nother story, like newspaper
horoscopes are crap, as are those sun sign astrology 'Horoscope' books. Each sign carries specific characteristics
and even though my only Aquarius planet is my sun it is a big part of who I am....
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Alchemic
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« Reply #4 - on: 13.10.2008 at 23:15 [UT+1] »How can separating the 6 billion people on the planet, into only 12 different categories, be any good?
If you look at the whole chart, then everyone is unique...which we all aresomeone with the same chart as you in all reality.....

It would be very hard to findI think sunsigners are possibly very group orientated people.......I try to not follow the heard personally.....
I also think any person, of any intelligence can do sunsigns......sorry but i dont think its very thoughtprovoking...
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« Reply #5 - on: 14.10.2008 at 00:04 [UT+1] »I would have to say nyay, but more nay than yay.
Certainly Sun has a powerful position among other planets and as for myself I do recognize my Sun sign's
traits, but I also recognize so much more. A same trait, typical for a sign, can be expressed so differently
according to the other things in the chart that no wonder some people don't recognize themselves in thestereotyped descriptions of their Sun sign.

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more meaning that that.
You cannot even explain our nick names (the majority of them anyway) here on astro.com or what we do in life
based on our Sun signs.

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« Reply #6 - on: 14.10.2008 at 01:21 [UT+1] »I thought Astrology was total hogwash when I thought is was just Sun Signs!! Very inaccurate!
That is, until I discovered the natal chart. Then I realized how accurate Astrology could be!!

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Gender:We are our natal charts (planets in signs and houses), not just our sun signs. The sun is one of many planetsthat describe us. It is dumb to learn how to classify all individuals in 12 categories just based on birth month.
I think learning SunSignAstrology alone hold you back. It like learning with blinders on. When you learn the
natal chart, you have to unlearn many of the misconceptions you learn with SunSignAstrology. Sometimes, it istough to unlearn those prejudices learned from simplistic SunSignAstrology.
SunSigns are not the alphabet. The learning the signs (which can apply to any planet) is the alphabet. There is
no reason why you cannot learn all the planets in the signs/houses at the same time. That is what I did.

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« Reply #7 - on: 14.10.2008 at 03:49 [UT+1] »The late, great Linda Goodman was uncanny with Sun Signs

May she rest

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Kaden
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« Reply #8 - on: 14.10.2008 at 04:08 [UT+1] »Yay...for a jumping off point for understanding diversity and temperaments. (Ditto Krista's Yay for Linda
Goodman for making it an easy, enjoyable read for beginners)
Nay...for people who get stuck in the 'I am ...(insert Sun Sign)' mindset.
(I am 27a...but sucked into earthiness by the b cusp, ASC, MC, K, Vtx, O, J all in earth signs ...with E at
29/59a an earth-sign wannabe. l stellium. ... so 'Aries' rarely fits me unless you put chocolate or Patrick
Dempsey in front of me
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« Reply #9 - on: 14.10.2008 at 08:31 [UT+1] »Patrick Dempsey! Yum.

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Gender:Well, I say Yay! And Nay. I have very dichotomous feelings about Sun sign astrology. It's what taught me thebasics about Cancerian energy when I was 8 years old. I will always be grateful for finding that sun sign bookon the floor of our garage - I finally felt understood! Now, as an adult, I sometimes get frustrated when people
slam astrology based on their (usually limited) knowledge of what it's about.
I had the same issue with a friend as unwoman did - she really could not relate at all to being an Aries (and she
still can't) until I did up a chart for her and realized that her Sun is unaspected and she has a five planet
stellium in Taurus.
So, hurray for the fact that sun signs *can* offer us an astro-initiation if we are so inclined and a big fat
raspberry to all those who have mocked me (and will mock me) for loving astrology.

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Alchemic
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« Reply #10 - on: 14.10.2008 at 08:42 [UT+1] »Quote from clover on 14.10.2008 at 08:31 [UT+1]:
Patrick Dempsey! Yum.
Well, I say Yay! And Nay. I have very dichotomous feelings about Sun sign astrology. It's what taught me the basics about Cancerianenergy when I was 8 years old. I will always be grateful for finding that sun sign book on the floor of our garage - I finally felt
understood! Now, as an adult, I sometimes get frustrated when people slam astrology based on their (usually limited) knowledge of what
it's about.
I had the same issue with a friend as unwoman did - she really could not relate at all to being an Aries (and she still can't) until I did up a
chart for her and realized that her Sun is unaspected and she has a five planet stellium in Taurus.
So, hurray for the fact that sun signs *can* offer us an astro-initiation if we are so inclined and a big fat raspberry to all those who havemocked me (and will mock me) for loving astrology.

I agree....i am a cap, and man, i am so not capricornian...i have an aqua asc that i relate to much more....I
mean, they are both ruled by saturn, but cap is the very reserved part of me....
*shrug*.....
Really, do you guys who like sunsigns, find the horoscopes in mags and newspapers helpful to the art ofastrology?.....I reckon its these sunsigns that dont allow astro to have the credit its due as a science and art....
I dunno, but im sick of people turning their noses up in the air, at my interest in astrology....its kind ofdisheartening
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nexus7

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« Reply #11 - on: 14.10.2008 at 09:30 [UT+1] »I think we certinly need to know how the signs work. But it is the whole emphasis on sun signs that really put
me off getting involved with the astrological world more. Yes, categorisng people according to 12 basic onesize-fits-all stereotypes seemed so diminishing to me, it did really make me feel short-changed somehow and,actually, on some very basic levels, just not 'got' at all. It just seemed to me there was a kind of 'astrofundamentalism' about. So most astrologers I met who were versed in midpoints, rising signs, all the rest of it,
ended up making the most blanket generalisations about who I was supposed to be 'really,' in a way that
reminded me of the zeal of Jehovah's Witnesses.

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In this respect, I do feel that the whole process of explaining certain aspects of the ABC of typology should bedone in a more discrete way, whilst showing a little more respect of how the individual already understands
themselves in relation to that.

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Doh-Ray-Me
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« Reply #12 - on: 14.10.2008 at 13:22 [UT+1] »I'm all for it. Of course its only one part of a proper chart reading. A sun Aries with Virgo rising and moon in
Libra is going to be very different to a sun Aries with Sagittarius rising and moon in Pisces. Nevertheless, I
think there's a tendency to go too far the other way. On astro threads on different sites people can launch
straight into the tiny details of a chart and even the more contraversial bits of astrology, completely ignoring
the main parts of the chart. I believe there's much more to learn from looking at someone's sun sign thanwhat's happening with Lilith, or some semi-sextile. You can give someone a very full and helpful picture fromthe sun sign alone - if you really know the sun sign accurately, inside out. The problem is that we all get things
wrong about a particular sun sign over the years as we learn continually. So if we may make a slip up about thesun signs which we feel we know so well, just imagine the amount of errors that may be made as we movefurther away from the most familiar ground. Its probably hypocritical for a Virgo venus for me to preachlooking at the trunk of the tree before the leaves
I 'd ordinarily love getting bogged down in too much finedetail! However, when it comes to astrology sun sign astrology is a never-ending source of fascination. Ideas
are always getting refined.
I may lean towards this idea because I feel typical of my own sun sign g. My saturn is in my opposite sign
aand my sun and moon have the same ruler D. Plus, my rising sign f seems in sympathy with my sun sign.
MC c.
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« Reply #13 - on: 14.10.2008 at 13:34 [UT+1] »[quote author=Alchemic link=1223928120/0#10 date=1223970172]Quote from clover on 14.10.2008 at
08:31 [UT+1]:

Really, do you guys who like sunsigns, find the horoscopes in mags and newspapers helpful to the art of astrology?.....I reckon its thesesunsigns that dont allow astro to have the credit its due as a science and art....
I dunno, but im sick of people turning their noses up in the air, at my interest in astrology....its kind of disheartening

I enjoy reading magazine sun sign pieces but I don't expect them to be accurate because they're based only on
sun sign, because some may be made up by non astrologers and because sometimes I accidentally pick up outof date magazines anyway! I found with Johnathan Cainer that the horoscope for my rising sign was asaccurate, if not more true than that for my sun sign. The ones based on my natal chart at astro.com are morewrong than coincidence should allow - far more incorrect than the sun sign only magazine ones!, so maybe I'mlooking at the wrong time zone or horoscope or something! Maybe I was swopped for another baby in thehospital and I'm actually a Leo
I'm used to having cold water poured on my interest in Astrology and thediscussion about whether there's anything in it, -explaining things at a simplistic level- gets boring.

EDIT: Apologies! Today's reading for me from astro.com was very accurate with the Mercury Opposition Saturn.
(Just being a self-contradictoy Libra sun!
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« Reply #14 - on: 14.10.2008 at 13:59 [UT+1] »Magazine-style horoscopes are often written as if the sign is on the Ascendant, ie. when the Moon is in Taurus
they say 'the Moon is in your fourth house this week' or 'a week to spend at home' under 'Aquarius' -- as if the
Sun sign was at the Ascendant. But since the majority of Aquarians won't have the Sun in that position natally,
the above comment is likely to be truer for an Aquarian ascendant than an Aquarian sun.
So, it always pays to read for both Sun and Asc sign, if you read them at all.
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« Reply #15 - on: 14.10.2008 at 14:21 [UT+1] »Quote from Doh-Ray-Me on 14.10.2008 at 13:22 [UT+1]:
I'm all for it. Of course its only one part of a proper chart reading...

Well, this thread isn't about proper chart reading and you didn't make it without mentioning your AC, C, D
and G.

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you would have difficulties explaning the difference between members of the same Sun sign, who are just as
intitled to speak of it (in terms of their experience) as you are.
It would be interesting to know just what all the Sun sign advocates do with it (Sun sign astrology, that is),besides amusing themselves by reinforcing the (basically 12) stereotypes. You don't actually take it seriously,
do you?

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« Reply #16 - on: 14.10.2008 at 14:24 [UT+1] »Quote from Alchemic on 13.10.2008 at 23:15 [UT+1]:
How can separating the 6 billion people on the planet, into only 12 different categories, be any good?
If you look at the whole chart, then everyone is unique...which we all are

It would be very hard to find someone with the same chart

as you in all reality.....
I think sunsigners are possibly very group orientated people.......I try to not follow the heard personally.....
I also think any person, of any intelligence can do sunsigns......sorry but i dont think its very thought provoking...

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Hi Alchemic , your quote reminds me of my first ever thread ..titled , "Is it i feel so or Astrologers havethis...
excerpt:Is it merely i feel so or really Astrologers have got this tele-pathic power to guideyou...i mean there i was a student..didn't know much about astrological predictions ...but
sincerely used to read Peter Vidal's

daily..and even today i read Jeff Jawer

onlines throughTarot.com...
and very genuinely felt ...that during my crucial times...these Astrologers have...though they
don't even know or heard of me...& while writing generally for the folks...they have also answeredme specifically!
Really to keep in mind genuine welfare of readers , conceptualising effects,transits even framing
sentences....delivering,maintaining readers interest....that too on daily basis !
Surely it can't be as easy andas light-hearted as folks have strated talking about daily sun-sign

predictions (though one must make his ascendant =sunsign& then read for better insights)....surely
theremust be exceptional & outstanding Astrologers doing wonderful job ,there!

Has any one of us also felt so ...Some of these Astrologers exhibit

tele-pathic ,psychic powers

also!
Do rationally oriented air-signs, Exalted Uranus type can never have such experiences....?
or there is something in my chart....afflicted Neptune....etc to have this ability in believing
most of such things!
Does Jupiter , placed at mid-heaven protects you...if you are searching for Truth? ( can same besaid if Saggitarius sign is at the cusp of 10 house?)
Please tell anyways-even if i am sounding foolish.. , atleast i shall have truth ! ;backed
statistically!
ever waiting for truths!
Arihant
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1200894049
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Doh-Ray-Me

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« Reply #17 - on: 14.10.2008 at 16:04 [UT+1] »Quote from Expanding Mind on 14.10.2008 at 14:21 [UT+1]:

It would be interesting to know just what all the Sun sign advocates do with it (Sun sign astrology, that is), besides amusing themselves
by reinforcing the (basically 12) stereotypes. You don't actually take it seriously, do you?

Yes, I think Gemini guys are evidence enough all by themselves

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« Reply #18 - on: 14.10.2008 at 21:32 [UT+1] »The reason Astrology is not taken seriously by the mainstream is because of SunSignAstrology!!
Looking at SunSign alone, does a disservice to Astrology.

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« Reply #19 - on: 14.10.2008 at 23:06 [UT+1] »Mmmmm...I think that horoscopes do far more of a disservice to astrology then Sun signs alone. So many
people who write horoscopes have little or no knowledge of astrology. I was recently asked to contribute to an
online mag to help someone with their astrology section. I talked to the guy for about 15 minutes and it was
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he would find out their birthday and give them the 'good news' based on their sun signs.
He felt that he would be making money and still be doing good for humanity by giving them a positive pay-off.
I told him, of course, that I was not at all interested in that kind of 'astrology'.
The only horoscope I'll admit to liking is Rob Brezney's Free Will Astrology. Of course he has the same birthday
as me, so I suppose I'm biased.

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« Reply #20 - on: 14.10.2008 at 23:29 [UT+1] »Right....A sign astrology I think is for learning the basic meanings of the signs themselves. It seems to me tolearn all about a sign is quite akin to learning about the A in that sign, no? The general public does not have
any idea that astrology is actually much more than that, but we do here on this forum!
When I comePosts: 2330
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to their A sign right off the bat!
Cuz I can see the similarity between them and their rising sign moreso
than their A sign.
It is also true that to read yourA sign horoscope in a newspaper or wherever, along WITH your rising sign, cantell a little more about the day at hand.....

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« Reply #21 - on: 14.10.2008 at 23:35 [UT+1] »Most of us get into astrology from finding out something basic about the sign our Sun inhabits, so presumablythat connection was meaningful and correct enough for us to continue studying. Sun is the centre of the solar
system, it is where we shine, it is our ego. It is always important. We just learn that we don't relay solely on
Sun sign astrology to get a good 3D human picture of someone which you get from a full reading of a natal.

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« Reply #22 - on: 15.10.2008 at 10:42 [UT+1] »Agree Rookish ... and Krista about how Linda Goodman was so uncanny (my intro book into astrology 20 yearsago). I see the sun as being the black/white part of us and the rest (aspects, planets) as coloring into theblack/white. However, fundamentally, we go back to the black/white parts.. No matter, at heart, I'm an
Aquarian. Blessings, tb
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« Reply #23 - on: 15.10.2008 at 19:03 [UT+1] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 13.10.2008 at 21:02 [UT+1]:

I'm curious who is for and who is against? And reasons why?
[/color][/i]There's always going to be pros and cons to everything. If it weren't for sun sign astrology over half of us
wouldn't be here as we likely would never have even heard of astrology. Though it's minimal comparatively- it
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I say you gotta take the good with the bad- and it's never good to look a gift horse in the mouth.

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« Reply #24 - on: 15.10.2008 at 21:42 [UT+1] »ok...yeh, everyone agrees it was a stepping stone...sun sign astrology introduced us all......but what about
using it, when you have knowledge of the rest of the chart?
I mean, should sun sign astrology be used on this forum, when we all seem to know there is a bigger picture?
Is it helpful now that we all know there is more?

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« Reply #25 - on: 15.10.2008 at 21:51 [UT+1] »Yes, why stay with black and white when you can have colour?
Just staying with sun signs is like only seeing other people in terms of their nationality, gender, or colour, andbeing blind to everything else. Or, a better simile: only seeing a waiter by their job or function, rather than by
their completeness as a human being.
In a way, this constant emphasis of the sun as the ego compounds the problem: in this respect, Chinese animal
signs, for example, genuinely could and does make a good party piece, because it does not define in such a
strait-jacketed way.
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It does not do much for me, when applied in this absolute way, anyway. It has always made me feel discounted,
somehow.
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« Reply #26 - on: 16.10.2008 at 05:31 [UT+1] »Yes. As a new astrologer many years ago, I turned up my nose at the idea, forgetting that I discovered Linda
Goodman and Dane Rudhyar on the same book shelf.
Those who seriously write sun sign columns do a bang up good job and the whole house system works like achamp. Having written sun sign columns in various venues for a decade, I am constantly astounded by how wellthese work. (I have written for airline magazines, sites for new mothers, the Science Fiction channel,
professional media/television websites and most recently Tarot.com with a political sun sign slant). Like it or
not they work.
The truth is, most professional astrologers owe a good chunk of income to sun sign astrologers. Look at thegreat work being done by Jeff Jawer and Rick Levine here in America.
If you write sun sign columns you'll be amazed at the amount of letters you get about the staggering accuracy.
Of course, it's better to do a full chart with an accurate time (but many astrologers against sun sign work do
not use Eris, Makemake and Haumea, which are planets after all). Sometimes appetizers work neatly when one
cannot pronounce any of the items ont he menu.
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« Reply #27 - on: 19.10.2008 at 03:16 [UT+1] »Quote from Teddybull on 15.10.2008 at 10:42 [UT+1]:
Agree Rookish ... and Krista about how Linda Goodman was so uncanny (my intro book into astrology 20 years ago). I see the sun as
being the black/white part of us and the rest (aspects, planets) as coloring into the black/white. However, fundamentally, we go back tothe black/white parts.. No matter, at heart, I'm an Aquarian. Blessings, tb

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Was it f ??

h ??

< I can't remember his last name>- Patrick _____ was very good
He died a Neptunian death- seafood poisoning
Joyce Jillson gad a Venusian death- renal failure..
What did Linda Goodman pass from..........
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« Reply #28 - on: 19.10.2008 at 12:02 [UT+1] »Quote from Alchemic on 15.10.2008 at 21:42 [UT+1]:
ok...yeh, everyone agrees it was a stepping stone...sun sign astrology introduced us all......but what about using it, when you haveknowledge of the rest of the chart?
I mean, should sun sign astrology be used on this forum, when we all seem to know there is a bigger picture? Is it helpful now that we allknow there is more?

Oh, well I have to be honest that's an entirely different 'issue' for me- I vomit a little bit in the back of myPosts: 4466
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On the bookshelves of the collective world however I view it as keeping some light of awareness alive. Doesn'tmean I hold my tongue and pretend like somebody gets it when they excitedly tell me how perfectly compatible
they are with their new taurus fling because the books says it matches well to their virgo.

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« Reply #29 - on: 19.10.2008 at 16:08 [UT+1] »Krista, it is said she died from complications from diabetes.
I owe my entire interest in astrology to Linda Goodman. I stole the book Sun Signs from my step mothers
garage sale when I was 11 and poured feverishly over it. For years that was all I worked with and I had it down
pat to the point where I could tell people's signs very quickly upon meeting them. I used it as a sort of filter in
helping me navigate personalities, not as a means to box them in necessarily. If i had a friend who was a Virgo,
I knew that biting remarks came with the territory, or if I had a Sag friend, she was prone to moodiness orirritability under restrictions in her life... little things like that. When their personalities came out and I saw
them, it gave me more of an opportunity to "get" them and not judge.
Though, ironically, as I went deeper into astrology and started studying entire charts, I started to loose thatability to spot a sun sign so easily. Now I look at people and see all kinds of signs in people. Like I can spot a
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like the more I know the less succinct the sun signs appear to me, but I have to say there are some you canjust spot really easily if they aren't too heavily conflicted by polarizing energies...
Long story short, I enjoyed and still do, the promise of the sun signs. I know now that I will never do well in an
intimate relationship with a Scorpio man, no matter HOW attacted I am to his mind and sexy (whoa.. typocorrected) ways... It's helped me realize there are after all these years certain things that I can rely upon inunderstanding the types of interactions I will encounter with certain signs. And with all my Virgo in my chart, I
find there is always something to navigate, but knowing the basics helps tremendously. I look at them as thelittle red flags that you can decide individually are right for you or not. And there is nothing wrong withheading all the signs, for better or worse, to make sure you are aware of what is right for you in any given sun
sign... If you aren't sure, then of course, you can go deeper... I guess I rely on sun signs as a sort of amusebouche or litmus test...
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« Reply #30 - on: 19.10.2008 at 20:03 [UT+1] »Ms Miranda,
She influenced me a great deal !
I stole the book from a store- hard cover <CmJe-2nd>
A brazen young girl I was........
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« Reply #31 - on: 19.10.2008 at 21:51 [UT+1] »We are in the process of becoming our Suns (job rarely finished in a lifetime).
Just found this nice plaque - alchemical union of metals.
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« Reply #32 - on: 19.10.2008 at 22:18 [UT+1] »SeaGoatI think I'm in love with that plaque!

Thank you for sharing. I intend to the finish the job this time around(A29th degree)

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« Reply #33 - on: 20.10.2008 at 03:25 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 19.10.2008 at 20:03 [UT+1]:
Ms Miranda,
She influenced me a great deal !

CmJe-2nd>

I stole the book from a store- hard cover <A brazen young girl I was........
Love,
KristaShe was an

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yes, she was... April 10th... I forget the year. 1940?

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« Reply #34 - on: 20.10.2008 at 03:49 [UT+1] »sea goat......i love it!!!!! matches my name!

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« Reply #35 - on: 20.10.2008 at 04:04 [UT+1] »Interesting plaque SeaGoat... but when exactly will seven become one???

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« Reply #36 - on: 20.10.2008 at 04:14 [UT+1] »cap rising.....all of us are seven into one!

.....do you get it? we each are a mixture of all planets...............

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« Reply #37 - on: 20.10.2008 at 05:18 [UT+1] »I love that plaque...
Maybe I'll come visit & steal it
Old habits die hardKrista
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« Reply #38 - on: 20.10.2008 at 08:17 [UT+1] »could be, but also take into account that there are seven days in the week. each one of those planets on thatplaque represent different days of the week.

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« Reply #39 - on: 20.10.2008 at 08:25 [UT+1] »and the seven colours of the rainbow, seven musical notes, seven heavens, seven crystal systems (shapes),
seven major metals etc etc....they are all connected!

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« Reply #40 - on: 20.10.2008 at 10:34 [UT+1] »A sign astrology is how anyone gets introduced to it, so it is very important as a start grid or something likethat

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« Reply #41 - on: 20.10.2008 at 14:29 [UT+1] »I am definitely one who finds importance in knowing the “pure energy” of the signs inside and out. Linda
Goodman is a personal hero of mine. So is Debbi Kempton-Smith. And I love the work Laura Lynn is doing with
her Sun Sign Psycho-cology blogs.
I do a lot of reading around the Web. I check out astrology forums. I scour other astrology sites. What I’mseeing is this: Astrologers and students of astrology alike put most of their emphasis on planetary aspects. Thisis all fine and dandy, and I agree it’s absolutely, A-1 important. Yet, what is being ignored quite often is thesigns of the planets in question and how that energy plays out within the aspect. And to take this a stepfurther, without knowing Sun Signs, not only will this particular part of the aspect be lost on the student ofastrology, they won’t know why the aspect is being made to start with! Nor can they truly understand what it is
to have a particular planet in a particular sign in a particular house.
For example, I once read a thread on astro.com where a student asked what it means to have a venus conjuncther mars. I think about 10 people replied and no one even bothered asking her the signs of her venus andmars. Then when she did, she revealed one planet was in Taurus the other in Aries. So either she didn't knowwhat a conjunction was or didn't know she had an out of sign conjunction, which changes the entire threadcompletely.
I personally believe Sun Signs are the foundation, the back bone if you will, of one’s chart. And I think that Sun
Sign astrology has been swept under the carpet for fear of generalization. Instead, everyone wants to be fluent
in astrologeeze and make statements like, my “my moon is in mutual reception to mercury, conjunct mymidheaven and square my ascendant.” But what good is saying it if you don’t truly understand what it means?
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« Reply #42 - on: 20.10.2008 at 18:48 [UT+1] »I think there's quite a difference between "sun sign astrology" and knowing the signs and their place within
astrology. So I don't put much value on the former while I put a lot of value on learning the latter. A "sun sign
astrology" book won't get you there. So if you're a serious beginner, look for other ways (see the astrology
book thread).
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« Reply #43 - on: 23.10.2008 at 00:13 [UT+1] »Quote from Alchemic on 14.10.2008 at 08:42 [UT+1]:
Quote from clover on 14.10.2008 at 08:31 [UT+1]:
Patrick Dempsey! Yum.
Well, I say Yay! And Nay. I have very dichotomous feelings about Sun sign astrology. It's what taught me the basics about
Cancerian energy when I was 8 years old. I will always be grateful for finding that sun sign book on the floor of our garage- I finally felt understood! Now, as an adult, I sometimes get frustrated when people slam astrology based on their(usually limited) knowledge of what it's about.
I had the same issue with a friend as unwoman did - she really could not relate at all to being an Aries (and she still can't)
until I did up a chart for her and realized that her Sun is unaspected and she has a five planet stellium in Taurus.
So, hurray for the fact that sun signs *can* offer us an astro-initiation if we are so inclined and a big fat raspberry to all
those who have mocked me (and will mock me) for loving astrology.

I agree....i am a cap, and man, i am so not capricornian...i have an aqua asc that i relate to much more....I mean, they are both ruled bysaturn, but cap is the very reserved part of me....
*shrug*.....
Really, do you guys who like sunsigns, find the horoscopes in mags and newspapers helpful to the art of astrology?.....I reckon its thesesunsigns that dont allow astro to have the credit its due as a science and art....
I dunno, but im sick of people turning their noses up in the air, at my interest in astrology....its kind of disheartening

alchemic
i'm with you on thisyou say you're so not cap
what constellation is your sun in
jamie
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« Reply #44 - on: 23.10.2008 at 01:25 [UT+1] »I agree with all those who speak of Linda Goodman's books....they were early reads for me too on my journey
into astrology. I thought her book called Star Signs was a very good book for someone like me. What say youof that book called Goobers or something, I forget exactly.

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I think Chaos has got the right idea -- "A sign astrology is how anyone gets introduced to it, so it is very
important as a start grid or something like that."

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« Reply #45 - on: 23.10.2008 at 04:15 [UT+1] »Quote from J Scott on 23.10.2008 at 00:13 [UT+1]:
Quote from Alchemic on 14.10.2008 at 08:42 [UT+1]:
Quote from clover on 14.10.2008 at 08:31 [UT+1]:
Patrick Dempsey! Yum.
Well, I say Yay! And Nay. I have very dichotomous feelings about Sun sign astrology. It's what taught me
the basics about Cancerian energy when I was 8 years old. I will always be grateful for finding that sun sign
book on the floor of our garage - I finally felt understood! Now, as an adult, I sometimes get frustrated
when people slam astrology based on their (usually limited) knowledge of what it's about.
I had the same issue with a friend as unwoman did - she really could not relate at all to being an Aries (andshe still can't) until I did up a chart for her and realized that her Sun is unaspected and she has a five planet
stellium in Taurus.
So, hurray for the fact that sun signs *can* offer us an astro-initiation if we are so inclined and a big fat
raspberry to all those who have mocked me (and will mock me) for loving astrology.

I agree....i am a cap, and man, i am so not capricornian...i have an aqua asc that i relate to much more....I mean, they
are both ruled by saturn, but cap is the very reserved part of me....
*shrug*.....
Really, do you guys who like sunsigns, find the horoscopes in mags and newspapers helpful to the art of astrology?.....Ireckon its these sunsigns that dont allow astro to have the credit its due as a science and art....
I dunno, but im sick of people turning their noses up in the air, at my interest in astrology....its kind of disheartening
alchemic
i'm with you on thisyou say you're so not cap
what constellation is your sun injamie

what constellation is my sun in???????? capricornus...............

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« Reply #46 - on: 23.10.2008 at 06:14 [UT+1] »thats pretty vague
what degree alchemic?

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« Reply #47 - on: 23.10.2008 at 06:22 [UT+1] »22..........can you tell me more? without changing the gist of this thread?

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« Reply #48 - on: 23.10.2008 at 06:38 [UT+1] »Quote from Alchemic on 23.10.2008 at 06:22 [UT+1]:
22..........can you tell me more? without changing the gist of this thread?

sun sign astrology can be pretty vague
you sun is in sun sign capicorn
but it also could be in the harp, peacock or eagle
it depends how many minutes of 22cap
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« Reply #49 - on: 23.10.2008 at 06:56 [UT+1] »man...not a great lot of choice there.....harp or peacock...im bound to be the peacock cos it just sounds sododge.....22deg00

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« Reply #50 - on: 23.10.2008 at 07:42 [UT+1] »Quote from Alchemic on 23.10.2008 at 06:56 [UT+1]:
man...not a great lot of choice there.....harp or peacock...im bound to be the peacock cos it just sounds so dodge.....22deg00

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« Reply #51 - on: 23.10.2008 at 19:35 [UT+1] »I am 28d 44:08~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~In reading & getting to know 'sun signs' well- you are learning about each sign..
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« Reply #52 - on: 24.10.2008 at 17:39 [UT+1] »Krista-Exactly!
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« Reply #53 - on: 28.10.2008 at 15:32 [UT] »Also each sun sign is divided in dwads and can be considered as a mini zodiac on its own
But that is something you learn when you know more about astrology
So a 28d44 is completely others then a 3d46
The first one is in the l/c dwad (depends on which system you use) the other is in the b/e dwad...
They both have d A, but one is a Piscean or Geminian Cancer Sun
The other is a Taurean or Leonian Cancer Sun
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« Reply #54 - on: 29.10.2008 at 22:12 [UT] »Right Chaos, about the dwads, as my Ah is in the c dwad, which along with my cB can lend toward me
identifying with the sign of c, as well as 2 house cusps in that sign....but that is the topic of another thread I
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