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Arihant
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« on: 24.08.2020 at 06:58 [UT+1] »Today I am planning to go back to the book shelf to Linda Goodman about Capricornians. Since I am getting
negatives vibes from inside about Capricornians ,and not only same need rectification but also factual truth beestablished onthe better understanding of the sign j.
My area of doubt begins with very basic question:
Are they percieved less loveable? ( Grown up relationships of a friend ,colleague ,boss or as a Lover!)
Second point, Are they percieved to be sufferers ?
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( less lucky. Cancerian females, surely , are known to be quite a sufferer than other Sun signs , generally
speaking ~ is this debateable?)
Generally , it's difficult to appreciate their j ,Controlled nature, lack of spontaneity and their restraints ,measured responses, their long faces, Grim Chin touching ground level)
Sorry folks , this is topic pertains to more towards Sun Sign Astrology.....
Hopefully I have made only limited cricism of the Capricornians and even if some one shall point out that thepost has hurt his/ her sentiments , I shall immediately delete it upon being scolded so......And strict
practioners of thorough/ full chart based Astrology shall also forgive me for I want to learn more about sign j
as I have not understood it much as they are always away from general ,common public being bosses orworking hard...
There is no controversy upon being their Hard Working , Serious Demeanour, Business Like , Studious, Achiever,Good Adminstration & Management of an Event , Disciplinarian, Pragmatic ,Earthy , Nota Wastrel , Frugal also , etc
Anyone wants to write on Capricornians , please feel welcome
And if Capricornians , themselves want to clear the Air or tell how they are percieved ,nothing like it then!!
Do they think their sign, someone views negatively or prejudiced ?
A stellium in signj can be called a Capricornian...but Bj is an altogether different realm, I don't think they
can be called Capricornians!

Thank you
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Metal_Horse

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« Reply #1 - on: 25.08.2020 at 11:50 [UT+1] »Hi Arihant.
I am heavily Capricornian.
If you may recall, me and you have had musings that would incite some crossed lines in typed word, i find you
to be very irresponsible, yet i also find you to be very witty and intelligent, i also think you vacillate between
two modes of operation at times, but who am i to judge?
Your ideas that i should be more open minded in matters that are more serious is a showing that you lack
Capricornian ability in that field, but you do have strengths.
For me, i spot things in others a lot, mostly i look inwards to see if i reflect any of what these people are too,negative or positive.
This i believe is a part of AnG
I have OIG Capricorn, Saturn in my 12th.
My chart signature is Capricorn, meaning the Cap influence is stronger than my Cancerian influence eventhough i am strongly Cancerian. AmF d

Ambition in spades, yet steadfast and enduring owing to the BmE in b
Once my eyes are set upon a path and goal, there is no stopping me, i make good plans, i create time, i create
possibility.
A mixture here of again... AnG FnG BpG
I usually get on very well with Aj & Bj
I find Ej to be rather strange, possibly an ego conflict due to being in opposition to my own Sun.
Ascendant. k mK
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Maryb
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« Reply #2 - on: 25.08.2020 at 13:29 [UT+1] »Im cap rising. Saturn tenth #tr. Sun. Jupiter uranus.
Caps love to plan. Their Nature.
Ambitious is not a correct word. They know the down side of being too frivolous. They enjoy the serenity oflife. Simplicity.

They do not care for people unaware of wanton wasteful of others and themselves.

Spending sprees are alien to these people. Not for stingy. It just not part of the plan. Cap s want durable. They
think in terms of the best shoes. Best coats for the dollar.
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Gender:Lol. My husband said. You stretch a dollar until it screams. Caps think in terms of time endurance. Reliable.
My cap stellium daughter a wiz with money.
But she looks for the best value and saves accordingly.
Scorpio with cap moon.
They do not like superficial and make good friends.
A strange sense of humor.

They know poverty on a level. Is the why.
Can see it. Disturbs their love of simplicity.
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Maryb

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« Reply #3 - on: 25.08.2020 at 16:14 [UT+1] »All signs are prejustice if you read enough on forums and astrology books as well.
Sag. Pisces.Libra Scorpio
A few others seem to get hit a lot
A few famous astrologers have favs.

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SimbadMember

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« Reply #4 - on: 26.08.2020 at 18:57 [UT+1] »Hi A, I am confused.
When you say 'are they prejudiced', do you mean are j prejudiced against others, or do they suffer from theprejudice of others?
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Also, I thought people were perceived by others more on the basis of their B sign?

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Linda Harris

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« Reply #5 - on: 27.08.2020 at 15:21 [UT+1] »My mother was a Capricorn....a BIG one. I can only speak to ''Capricorns'' in general from my personal
experience with her. You can ask anything you want in this area.
BUT I want to say that when I began giving readings, and on into the years of giving readings, I was always a
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bit apprehensive about giving readings to Capricorns, because of my traumatic experience with ''mom''.
However, I found Capricorn clients very good at cooperating in their reading, listening and answering questions
and in general following my thoughts as I explained....without undue interruption.
they had their questions ready, and were what I feel were good clients.
They asked intelligent questions and understood the difference between what I could and couldn't answer andwhy.
But Capricorns are pretty good at compartmentalizing - so although they were excellent clients, that didn't
mean they weren't difficult people in other areas of their lives.
However, they all seemed to take criticism very well!
BUT....Capricorn is ruled by Saturn ....and therefore the character of SATURN in the birth chart will have a BIG
influence on their Capricorn nature.
So in ''general'' Capricorns are Saturnian. A really good book to read which would answer most of yourquestions is "Saturn: A New Look at an Old Devil" by Liz Greene.
This book gave me MUCH more than an intimate knowledge of Saturn.
It made me realize that there could be a similar book written about EVERY planet. That planetary influence wasa tremendous and possibly overwhelming fact. And that what we KNOW and use every day is probably only asmall percentage of what there IS to know about these planets.
So: if you are interested in the Saturn personality and life dynamics, read the book.
And then USE the book....to study the Saturn positions and dynamics of all the charts of people you know.
LainieI want to say something about your ''prejudice'' question. The word prejudice means to pre-judge according
to the criteria the person uses. And Capricorns will be prejudiced about some things. But usually not about
race or religion. Capricorns are very conscious about the way they ''appear'' in the outside world. So theirprejudices are usually more personal and less general than what we thing of as prejudiced.
I have not found them to be particulary bigoted or antisemitic or racist or xenophobic. At least not publicly....
It wouldn't ''look good'' My upbringing was politically liberal. So bigotry and prejudice were ''bad words'' in my family.
However, when a Capricorn DOES come out publicly for anything specific, one KNOWS that this person is in it
100%. It's not wishy washy or temporary.

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Mayakovsky's
Girlfriend« Reply #6 - on: 27.08.2020 at 20:52 [UT+1] »Ex Member

I am true Capricornian. Five planets stellium in j and also GmB in k.
To respond to your questions.
1) Yes, we are perceived as either cold/stuck-up/introverted/shy/arrogant. We are also perceived as
untouchable. We also seem as we do not need anybody. And usually misunderstood. This is only until sometime passes and people start to GET us. That we are quite funny, very loyal and devoted, and that foreverybody that stick with us we become their true friend and protector. I always know that I will need moretime with the new person to establish the connection that I want.
I think many people usually see us as a competition, even close friends. Our ambition can be intimidating.
On the other hand, some people undervalue us in the beginning.
But generally when we show our vulnerability and our goofy side, I think that "right" people really get fond ofus.
I can confess that I often felt as if I do have lack of love in my life, but that's probably because of my Moon
situation. And it was lack of love from family,friends etc. Also had many lessons regarding love with partners.
But now I have loving and successful relationship.
2) I had much more difficult time in puberty and the adolescence than now(26) i the terms of suffering. Not
sure if I was perceived as somebody who suffers, because we usually hide that. But there were lots of things togo through. We are quiet regarding our suffering, and rarely complain. I guess Capricorns invented stoicism.
We have very high standards for ourselves, and usually our source of suffering comes from not being able tocomply with those standards. Sometimes we wont move until we achieve what we think we need to achieve.
And if we do not, we try again and again and probably forever. Until we do achieve it.
When we suffer we pull away or hide it because we do no want to be perceived as weak or losers. Pathetic, I
confess.
Regarding general luck in life. I would say it is normal, changeable.
We are perceived as leaders. But I also have jE. Maybe bcs of that. I always find a way to get on top,
network...

If you want to understand Capricorn, you should understand Saturn. It's an obstacle to be overcome. And if
you do not overcome it it repeats. Like karma. I often have the need to reflect on the past because I can thensee the lessons clearly. I understand how family karma works. There is a lot of psychological work to be done. I
think we are always a bit more mature than our generation. And we long for true wisdom. Saturn is very goodat rewarding. It is a very FAIR planet. You reap what you sow.
I wouldn't say that it demands transformation in a sense that Pluto does. Because Pluto demands that you die
and be reborn and get rid of everything that no longer serves you weather you want it or not. Saturn is more
gradual regarding transformation. It teaches you very slowly. It paints the dots for you. Leaves you options.
Teaches you to have strong structure. Good foundation.
I think it all boils down to good structure and foundation actually.
I think that us Capricorns aren't only hard working, disciplined bosses as you portrayed us. We do have depth,
and we are always considering the meaning and the value of our work. We are not pure opportunists andcareerists. We want quality, value, meaning,balance, good impact, good work and everything that lasts.
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Erich

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« Reply #7 - on: 27.08.2020 at 21:39 [UT+1] »A Capricorn, once said to me, "it is true about our being self-conscious about everything we do."An overemphasis about what other people think inclines them to be on the conservative side and go along withtime honored values and traditions.
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ShanKo
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« Reply #8 - on: 29.08.2020 at 02:39 [UT+1] »Hi Arihant,
Very good answers, esp from the person with loads of j!
I know a few Caps. Had a boss who was a cap; she was reserved, very responsible, very fair. She had a good
sense of humor and I liked her a lot. Good mutual respect there. Her life was probably a little dull but she hada many siblings, a great relationship with her funny mom. So that came through. She did not seemprejudiced at all but she was certainly conservative.
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A friend, male, tall, thin, quite handsome but oblivious. Dry sense of humor, outstanding, consistently
excellent work. Very dogged when he wanted to learn something new, kept at it till he perfected it. Very highstandards. Very responsible father. Not the most emotional person but his wife said he was very vulnerable,
hardly ever showed it. Not at all establishment oriented, traded places with his wife every 5 years so they could
alternate taking care of the kids. Only guy I ever knew who didn't care what others thought, happily a househusband when it was his turn. Dad was career military, parents were responsible but not particularly warm.
Another friend, tall skinny female (I associate this body type with j but maybe wrong?) very career oriented
but also obsessed about having a family, worked very hard to rise in publishing, ended up losing friendships
because she was insecure, but she achieved her establishment goals. She had a lot of warmth as a friend but
could be ruthless when it came to career. Could not share the spotlight.
Another friend, j GDE in 1st sHe. Very hard working, esp at fitness. Very athletically gifted thoughjealous of anyone he perceived as being better at a sport, kind of looked down at lesser mortals who were notas fit (he had no children and could spend hours at the gym). Also tall and thin. Hard time making friends andfelt out of place in a crowd. Cared very much about what others thought about his career (insecure about that,
2nd H N) Very frugal, found bargains everywhere but would spend money for the best sometimes. Alienatedfrom everyone, hard to experience joy. Rough 8H BoI. Very loveable in so many ways but could not love
himself and thus drove away all relationships. I don't know if he is able to love others. Once, when he wasgoing through a rough patch, I told him my mom and I would do lovingkindess for him (a kind of buddhist
prayer) and he got offended. I could not understand why. Not able to accept that from others.

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« Reply #9 - on: 31.08.2020 at 09:51 [UT+1] »Seems stereotypes about capricornians assume that they are necessarily Saturnian, which is not always thecase. Scratch a capricornian... and you may be surprised what you find (but you need to bother to scratch thesurface). j have affinities with law and order and administration, so they tend to be over represented in these
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occupations. For example, I worked with another j who was AC i and a playful 'goat' in Chinese sign definitely not boring! On the whole they seem to make good bosses, they tend to concentrate on the job rather
than on personalities. Not the tantrum type. Most capricornians like to finish what they start at work, which in
my book is a good point. But then I am a boring j!!

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« Reply #10 - on: 31.08.2020 at 09:52 [UT+1] »Sorry, I meant 'heavily' saturnian.

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« Reply #11 - on: 04.09.2020 at 01:56 [UT+1] »Hi. I like Capricorns. Sure, they are more conventional than I am, but they are very down to earth andreasonable. I especially like them as bosses. "Cooler heads shall prevail." While I have loads of respect for thelate Linda Goodman, her book was published in the late 60's and society has changed a lot since then. So, while
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Gender:core characteristics remain the same, how we put them into practice in the society in which we live haschanged. That is my two cents.

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« Reply #12 - on: 05.09.2020 at 11:10 [UT+1] »I think it depends a lot on who you are and what you do - this imaginary "you" that's judging Capricorns.
for instance, working on a project with a Cap or managed by a Cap - if you do your job and take it seriously,
everything will be great. Despite rumors, Capricorn CAN have fun, ARE very funny and CAN take a joke. Underthe right circumstances.
But if there's an emergency, there's something VERY IMP in the work, the project is behind schedule or veryrisky, and you're cracking jokes, wasting time, under-performing and generally not take it seriously, the Cap
might have a problem with it, and depending on the situation, get very tight and cold around you, maybe evenbrush you off if you don't get it and keep pushing it. (They are generally VERY aware of social conventions andwill not make a scene unless pushed to extreme).
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So... yeah, THAT person, after being told off by a Cap, might have a bone to pick with them. Especially since
we're assuming this is someone who wouldn't take responsibility in the first place.
But I think this scenario works with every sign - depending on lots of other placements and details in their natal
chart. Having a Sun in Cap might just be the easy explanation some pick on - again, someone in this scenario, I
imagine, would bring the same attitude to "interpreting" the chart: wouldn't bother to put the work in, checkthe details, etc. Easy way out.
And the easy way out is something Saturn has a BIG grudge with. just try it under a Saturn transit and see
what I mean

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Arivirgo

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« Reply #13 - on: 26.10.2020 at 00:08 [UT] »I have got on best with capricorns (I'm cap moon) with the exception of one which was controlling boyfriend)
with Scorpio asc, They could all be a little aloof at times, but very witty and loyal (even the controlling one).
The greatest friend I ever had was also Capricorn with Leo asc. No one ever forgot her after meeting her
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socially because she could be outrageous lol. All of them tended to plan ahead and although not naturally
spontaneous themselves, they would be up for some spontaneity if someone else suggested it.
Im really thankful for the time I shared with the capricorns that I knew.

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« Reply #14 - on: 26.10.2020 at 00:51 [UT] »Quote from Arihant on 24.08.2020 at 06:58 [UT+1]:
My area of doubt begins with very basic question:

Are they percieved less loveable? ( Grown up relationships of a friend ,colleague ,boss or as a Lover!)Posts: 30

Second point, Are they percieved to be sufferers ?
( less lucky. Cancerian females, surely , are known to be quite a sufferer than other Sun signs , generally speaking ~ is this debateable?)
Generally , it's difficult to appreciate theirj ,Controlled nature, lack of spontaneity and their restraints , measured responses, their longfaces, Grim Chin touching ground level)

My guess is that Capricorn can be perceived as less lovable by some (or even most), and maybe as sufferers by
those who know us a little, but not very well. Capricorn can carry the weight of the world on its shoulders andoften is not used to receiving help from others, a habit that forms in childhood since they're often the grownup of the household in some way when they're young. A huge part of the bonding of social groups comes fromthe sharing of burdens and responsibilities, and while Capricorn might be willing and wanting to help others, I
think the subtle signal sent out by them never asking for help (or rejecting it when offered) is that they don't
really trust you to help them, so then others don't really trust them.
I have this problem and it definitely limits some opportunities, being a lone wolf in a way. I only learned this byobserving the contrast in my husband, who is a charmer and completely comfortable in letting others help himout. It's surprising how much others will go out of their way to help you and enjoy doing it if you're open andgraciously accepting of it.
I read something once about Capricorn that really struck home with me. It said that since Capricorn is afeminine sign, women embody its characteristics while men act upon it. For Capricorn that means that
Capricorn men climb the mountain, whereas Capricorn women are the mountain.
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Erich

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« Reply #15 - on: 26.10.2020 at 01:33 [UT] »Bogart is the most popular actor of all time in a poll, and he' a j.
Elvis must be the most popular singer of all time, and he's a #j.

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« Reply #16 - on: 26.10.2020 at 01:44 [UT] »Capricorns will try to achieve mastery over their chosen career and interests, so it's not unusual for them to bewell-liked for their work. Many of my favorite actors and authors are Capricorns. That doesn't mean they'reeasily loved on a more interpersonal level though.

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Edna Osidak

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« Reply #17 - on: 26.10.2020 at 02:14 [UT] »I love Capricorns. The are hard working and dependable. They usually earn their money the old fashioned way.
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timing. My husband was Cap. rising and 3 of my best friends have their moon in Capricorn. Would always talkabout money like a necessary evil. I liked that. But then I have GmAl and often wondered how I would haveended up without G. I've noticed among actors those who survived the best had j in their charts,
somewhere. My mom had 2 brothers who were j and they were great at showing me how to enjoy life. One
was a showman like Elvis and played the guitar, learned on his own just like him and the other one liked sports
and taught me how to skate on ice and ski. There always there for you. Not when your whining but when you
show interest in something, they encourage you. Yes they can have a shady side (Al Capone) but they're not
one to back off. I feel we need this in life. Courage to get the job done. When it happens, we feel good. My
dad, Venus/G was strapped at 12 taking care of a family of 8 and by 18 had $3,000.00 in the bank from sellingwood for heating in the winter, A/i. He helped so many people find jobs. I could go on but I think I
explained why I like them. Total respect for them.

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« Reply #18 - on: 26.10.2020 at 02:38 [UT] »That's very kind of you Edna. I have felt the most understood and appreciated by Pisces in general (and one
Scorpio in particular). I think Pisces can be very intuitive, as well as positive and trusting, and they're able see
past the outer Capricorn shell that can seem cold and stand-offish to others. We are very dependable and will

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be there for you through thick and thin if you let us. I also find that Pisces has an easier time than most withlistening to and not being upset or offended by some of my harsher views, Capricorn has a very grounded andrealistic view of the world that can be too much for some.

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Edna Osidak

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« Reply #19 - on: 26.10.2020 at 03:33 [UT] »Cuspl - I think the reason why you like l is that they give you a chance to see your vulnerable side, and in a
way we envy your endurance. Also with l, I have D there, we need that little push to be as grounded as you
are. My grand daughter is also j and we have the most fun as she just won't spend a day without giving me agood laugh with her little dances. They have that quality of bringing music into our lives so that we can relax
Posts: 28even though they are not usually like that themselves. I love that. No discipline - no achievements I guess andmusic brings on the relaxation needed after working hard. All work and no makes Jack......
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« Reply #20 - on: 26.10.2020 at 03:43 [UT] »I think you're right Edna, I definitely feel like I can comfortably be myself around Pisces with no judgements,
but I think that's a gift that Pisces offers to everyone in their lives. I've also found that Pisces have a great
sense of humor, they're so funny! and very entertaining, so comfortable in their skin when it comes toperforming. I find it inspiring because I'm so awkward in that way.
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Arihant

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« Reply #21 - on: 26.10.2020 at 05:12 [UT] »Thank you for all the responses. Cris_ me , in particular ,who has hit the nail in my bogus imaginations about
Capricornians.
My elder sister is 8 th house Aj stellium and she likes to keep her upper hand in all the interactions, during
her last visit to my house for one evening to take back in the morning Mom ,with their Cat and a dog, when I
had got tired after arguments with my Mom and somehow I could not talk to my sister properly.
From that time, she had steadfastly refused to plan another tour to come to my place.
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« Reply #22 - on: 30.10.2020 at 15:40 [UT] »I think it would be good to have questions in the positive, for ex Why are xx so lovable? We are getting enoughnegatives vibes at the moment, thank you...

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« Reply #23 - on: 31.10.2020 at 16:35 [UT] »Quote from Simbad on 30.10.2020 at 15:40 [UT]:
I think it would be good to have questions in the positive, for ex Why are xx so lovable? We are getting enough negatives vibes at the
moment, thank you...

Feel free to open positive thread!
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