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Squirrel
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Blavatsky« on: 15.07.2012 at 13:09 [UT+1] »I know a lot of people swear by her work and she was the fore-runner to (Alice) Bailey...
But wasn't this the same woman who was caught scamming a bunch of people?
I'm just interested in the entire Theosophy thing - how a proven con-artist managed to not only get away with
it...but now is heralded as some sort of spiritual hero and all her books are the equivalent of the Bible or Koran
to so many people?
The fact that Pisces is on the cusp of her midheaven, doesn't really surprise me...to be able to swindle and foolso many people...the sign linked to the planet of illusion and lies (Neptune), seems incredibly fitting. At thesame time, I'm sure her fans would say that Pisces on the midheaven indicates spirituality...I guess it depends
what side of the fence you're on...

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Re: Blavatsky« Reply #1 - on: 15.07.2012 at 20:41 [UT+1] »I'm not sure if you're referring to tricks that she did that were similar to other spiritists of the time. I think she
most certainly did that kind of thing. However I think she believed what she wrote. She seems to me torelatively sincere but maybe goosed things along a bit.
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Gender:However the Theosophical Society itself went off the rails after she died.

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Re: Blavatsky« Reply #2 - on: 15.07.2012 at 21:47 [UT+1] »Quote from Enlil on 15.07.2012 at 20:41 [UT+1]:
I'm not sure if you're referring to tricks that she did that were similar to other spiritists of the time. I think she most certainly did thatkind of thing. However I think she believed what she wrote. She seems to me to relatively sincere but maybe goosed things along a bit.
However the Theosophical Society itself went off the rails after she died.

No, not tricks, actual scams she was caught doing. Trying to make people think she had powers or wascontacting entities that she wasn't...I forget the exact specifics because I saw it in a documentary years ago on
YouTube, but yes, she was actually caught red-handed frauding people.
She had Neptune angular too and in aspect to her Mercury...which seems to point out her problems withhonesty or maybe even mental illness if you factor in how Mercury-Neptune could mean issues with staying
connected to reality.
At times I've tried to cut her slack and be open to her belief system but after scanning the chart...it does look
like the chart of a con-artist peddling lies for their own gain, whether it was fame or money or both.
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Re: Blavatsky« Reply #3 - on: 15.07.2012 at 22:04 [UT+1] »one should be vigilant in what others say or profess to be truth.

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Squirrel
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Re: Blavatsky« Reply #4 - on: 15.07.2012 at 22:06 [UT+1] »Quote from chang*ling on 15.07.2012 at 22:04 [UT+1]:
one should be vigilant in what others say or profess to be truth.

All anybody can do is make sure they're as truthful as they can be...and sift through other people's crap andsee if they keep up their end of that bargain and are honest, themselves.
From the looks of her chart. She looks like a liar.
That, or like Enlil suggested - she genuinely believed the things she said - which means she was mentally ill.
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Re: Blavatsky« Reply #5 - on: 15.07.2012 at 22:17 [UT+1] »Quote from chang*ling on 15.07.2012 at 22:15 [UT+1]:
there is a lot one can come to understand about life and not all is pleasant. betrayal is part of this understanding, and if one views theChrist story and Judas as being a key player before the crucifixion, then i can say that betrayal is necessary in becoming a sovereign
entity, after all, it is between the individual and life alone that determines the quality and ability to reach its destiny.
all is Maya.

...So you're trying to say her intentionally lying was for the greater good?
I think anyone who was really 'of the light' or whatever and genuinely meant well for their fellow man, wouldn't
use unethical, immoral means and dishonesty.
Your ultimate intent means nothing if your actions are sleazy.
I'm sure Hitler wanted to help humanity too - but he thought the way to do it was to kill off millions ofinnocent people.
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Re: Blavatsky« Reply #6 - on: 15.07.2012 at 22:46 [UT+1] »Quote from chang*ling on 15.07.2012 at 22:28 [UT+1]:there are concepts that lead to dead ends and concepts that lead towards the illumination of the self. i am not saying people that intently
deceive others are doing good, but the truth will always bare witness in the end. i can understand the pain that is felt when betrayal ismet along the path, i have suffered too, but this does not lesson my faithfulness in humanity as a whole. sometime in my life, i gaveover my thoughts of the head to the feelings in my heart and although i have been trampled upon, i have become stronger and learnt howto deal with others in a more realistic way.

I didn't ask you about what you believe in or your 'religious' struggle.
This thread is about Blavatsky and what we can tell of her motives from her chart.
If you want to protelyze, by all means feel feel to start your own thread, but I don't appreciate you derailingmine.
Quote from chang*ling on 15.07.2012 at 22:28 [UT+1]:Blavatsky is interesting reading, yet i draw a line with any mediumistic type of rhetoric. it is a filter through the archetypes themselvesand coming from another point of view that is not my own, is second hand in nature. an experience in which it is truth, yet not my own.
we all have our own individual communion with god and this is sacred.

You link people to Rosicrucian website links on these boards, all the time. Rosicrucianism goes hand in handwith Theosophy in many respects and I'm sure you're already fully aware that Blavatsky is the pretty much thearchitect of Theosophy. So why didn't you bother to mention that and keep referring to her dismissively? It's
almost as though you're trying hard to appear impartial and like you don't have a horse in this race...eventhough you gave yourself away with your last few posts here by doing everything you could to try and, first,
justify her dishonesty, and later, derail the thread into a discussion on Jesus. You've done everything you can totry and distract this topic away from the chart and the actual subject of the thread.
Your agenda is showing.
Now, if you want to actually comment on the chart itself and the actual question posed, I have no problem
discussing this with you. But until then, consider this my last response to you in this topic.
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Re: Blavatsky« Reply #7 - on: 15.07.2012 at 23:03 [UT+1] »Quote from chang*ling on 15.07.2012 at 23:00 [UT+1]:
Quote from Squirrel on 15.07.2012 at 22:46 [UT+1]:
You link people to Rosicrucian website links on these boards, all the time. Rosicrucianism goes hand in hand with
Theosophy in many respects and I'm sure you're already fully aware that Blavatsky is the pretty much the architect ofTheosophy.

theosophy has its roots in the Greek word, theosophia, meaning divine wisdom. it is esoteric in nature and comes from a much older datethan you suppose.

The actual WORD, yes. The 'religious' system that was devised, is Blavatsky's.
Don't try to play word games with me.
I indulged you one last time, but I won't again. If you can't comment on the chart, don't bother even talking tome because you won't get a response.
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Re: Blavatsky« Reply #8 - on: 15.07.2012 at 23:17 [UT+1] »Quote from Squirrel on 15.07.2012 at 22:46 [UT+1]:You link people to Rosicrucian website links on these boards, all the time. Rosicrucianism goes hand in hand with Theosophy in many
respects and I'm sure you're already fully aware that Blavatsky is the pretty much the architect of Theosophy. So why didn't you bother tomention that and keep referring to her dismissively? It's almost as though you're trying hard to appear impartial and like you don't have ahorse in this race...even though you gave yourself away with your last few posts here by doing everything you could to try and, first,
justify her dishonesty, and later, derail the thread into a discussion on Jesus. You've done everything you can to try and distract this topic
away from the chart and the actual subject of the thread.
Your agenda is showing.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism

i have no need to argue with you but find your understandings are lacking.
the Rosicrucian have nothing to do with the theosophical society, it is a theology, and even if i did post a link
to a free astrology course online, it is because it is the only one i know of and not because of my beliefs. i post
many links to various sources throughout my postings.
there are many religions that have been around years before Blavatsky was born. the fact that Blavatsky
created a sect should be seen as just this, a sect.
i deleted my posts as you find them antagonistic towards your own agenda and question your motives forstarting this thread in the first instance.
research your subject before shooting from the hip, it might teach you something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_arrow

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