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« on: 08.07.2011 at 18:28 [UT+1] »My Grand Niece was born 6/10/2011 by caesarian. Her due date was 6/16/2011. The difference in the charts isamazing. The birthdate has Saturn Retrograde. The due date did not. The Moon was in Libra on birthdate,almost assuring issues with her mother. The original due date, of course was not. It is hard to reconcile, sucha differnt future for a child by being born just 5 days early.
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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date
« Reply #1 - on: 08.07.2011 at 18:33 [UT+1] »Hi,
I had put a similar question and general indications drove to accept the actual birth date as the "good" one. A
reason there must have been for the anticipation, no?
ciao

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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #2 - on: 08.07.2011 at 18:56 [UT+1] »My astrologer grandma said to my mother when she went days overtime when expecting me: "she's waiting forthe right B to come out"
I do think we choose the "right" moment to be born too.
I was curious to look at the chart of the day I was expected to be born. Had I been born on due date, I'd have
only nice and harmonius aspects (qp ) from the B to Venus, Neptune, Saturn and Pluto. Moon would be inPosts: 2187
Gender:different sign as well (Aquarius).
I was born few days later with more difficult Moon aspects in Pisces (mA, oI). Only nice aspect is semisextile
to D.
Uranus went retrograde on my birthday few hours earlier I came out. Big difference for sure.

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« Reply #3 - on: 08.07.2011 at 19:12 [UT+1] »Quote from Sensoar on 08.07.2011 at 18:28 [UT+1]:
My Grand Niece was born 6/10/2011 by caesarian. Her due date was 6/16/2011. The difference in the charts is amazing. The birthdate has
Saturn Retrograde. The due date did not. The Moon was in Libra on birthdate, almost assuring issues with her mother. The original due
date, of course was not. It is hard to reconcile, such a differnt future for a child by being born just 5 days early.

I have thought about this many times. I was due either the 21st or the 23rd May (I can't remember which datePosts: 14349

my mom said now) ~ I was born on the 17th by emergency C Section. I didn't see my mom for two weeks
and she didn't even know she'd had a baby
~ she nearly died and so did I. I believe having O on my ASC
shows and describes my birth. I'll take a look at my chart for the 21st and 23rd May and use the same time as I
was born on the 17th.

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« Reply #4 - on: 08.07.2011 at 19:32 [UT+1] »The major change I have noticed on those two dates is that G is no longer m A in my 8th but on it's own inmy 12th.
I have still got my g ASC(thank goodness for thatMy B is still in k thoughObviously my A is now inPosts: 14349)~ but is now in the 4th and not in the 5th.

c and not in b.

N is now in the 5th in l and not in the 6th in a. I is also in the 5th and not in the 2nd.
J is now in the 3rd in j and not in the 12th in f
O is in the 6th and not in the 12th.
F is in my 7th a and not in my 2nd i.
E is in my 7th a and not in my 4th k.
K is now in i in the 3rd and not in k 4th.
Juno is in my 11th f and not in my 9th d
POF is now in c 8th and not d 9th.
My d MC and j IC remain the same
I believe that if I had been born on either the 21st or 23rd my life would probably have been a lot easier!
BTW .......................... Fab, fab, fab thread!

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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #5 - on: 08.07.2011 at 21:10 [UT+1] »Less than 4% of babies are born on their actual due date so, comparing birth dates to due dates, even in thecase of Ceasarian Sections, is pointless, IMO. Furthermore, my dad is an identical twin and there are significant
differences between his chart and his twin brother's chart. The moon actually changed signs and the Ascendantchanged. My point is that yes, of course, due charts and actual birth charts will vary quite a bit.

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« Reply #6 - on: 08.07.2011 at 21:14 [UT+1] »Quote from Juliet on 08.07.2011 at 21:10 [UT+1]:
Less than 4% of babies are born on their actual due date so, comparing birth dates to due dates, even in the case of Ceasarian Sections,is pointless, IMO. Furthermore, my dad is an identical twin and there are significant differences between his chart and his twin brother'schart. The moon actually changed signs and the Ascendant changed. My point is that yes, of course, due charts and actual birth charts willvary quite a bit.

It's funny you saying that but Nightfall on here, she is born after the 21st May (a few days after me) and herPosts: 14349

chart is almost exactly the same as mine. My best friend who is born just two days after mine is nothing likemine.

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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #7 - on: 08.07.2011 at 21:32 [UT+1] »I just have to trust that we get the charts we were born to have. That said, I HATE the skyrocketting C-Section
rates we are seeing in the world. "Birth" did not become a "medical" condition until the 1930s-1940s. Prior tothat, most babies were born at home under the skillful care of a midwife. The fact that as a society and culture
we have begun to view "birth" as a medical event requiring the intervention of doctors (usually men) disturbs
me greatly. I won't argue that Western medicine has improved the outcome for both mother and child. I
understand that. Still, I believe that the "physical" health of our mothers and babies has come at a HUGE priceto the "emotional" well-being of both. There is much evidence to suggest that the medical model of birthinterferes with forming "attachment" for both mother and child. The WORST thing that making birth a medical
event has done is to RADICALLY change the way most infants are nourished from birth. Due to the medical
interventions, especially those in the early 1940s and 1950s (think "twighlight sleep"), mothers were unable toPosts: 4677

breastfeed their babies, requiring alternatives, like infant formula. Not only is formula a substandard form of
feeding infants (causing lifelong health problems) but, it greatly interferes with the attachment process.
I could rant on this subject for hours but, I will step off my soapbox now.

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« Reply #8 - on: 08.07.2011 at 22:26 [UT+1] »Oh Juliet.. I think you picked up all of what I was thinking when I saw this thread earlier!

Both of us will

just have to cool our personal jets or risk massive-soap-box attacks I think. Hahaha. It's an issue close to myheart. And you're very correct.. very very few babies are born on the due date, even now with rather
sophisticated imaging technology. Both my sister and I were three weeks late back in the early 80s. And yet"perfect" for size and weight. These days they'd almost never let someone go that long "over".
If anyone's curious to hear more on the things Juliet started to bring up (and doesn't want to ask around here
since it's so off topic.. a good film on Netflix streaming for it would be "Buisness of Being Born". Veryinteresting stuff, even if you dont agree with it all.)Back to top
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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #9 - on: 08.07.2011 at 22:29 [UT+1] »I think my argument was more about fate than denying the appropriatness of the birth chart. When I foundout the date of the schuduled Caesarian, I even contacted my sis in law, she has a basic understanding ofastrology, and the mother would not consider changing her date. The birth proceded as planned. I just haveto trust that the challenges that comes across this child's path will be for her greater good.
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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #10 - on: 08.07.2011 at 23:48 [UT+1] »I was born two months earlier so instead of a b I became a l.
My daughter was born two weeks earlier, so instead of a f she became a e. She caught an kK (like me)instead of a j.
Funny, she would have had a AoB even if she had been born on due date too..
She would have got rid of her CmG but after all one has to inherit something from their father too.
My bf, me and daughter were all born on Thursday, on day No. 4.
I don't believe in "what would have happened if.." questions. I'm no fatalist but due date is only orientative as
Juliet said so it has nothing to do with one's destiny.
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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #11 - on: 09.07.2011 at 10:28 [UT+1] »Juliet you make some good observations imo. Lots of people seem to choose C-section and not breastfeedingfor different reasons these days. I'm sure health is probably one big reason but I think it may also be about
trying to preserve the body. Not sure what on chart could tell about it though.

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« Reply #12 - on: 09.07.2011 at 14:40 [UT+1] »Quote from Sensoar on 08.07.2011 at 18:28 [UT+1]:
My Grand Niece was born 6/10/2011 by caesarian. Her due date was 6/16/2011. The difference in the charts is amazing. The birthdate has
Saturn Retrograde. The due date did not. The Moon was in Libra on birthdate, almost assuring issues with her mother. The original due
date, of course was not. It is hard to reconcile, such a differnt future for a child by being born just 5 days early.

I think people are born exactly when they were meant to be born.
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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #13 - on: 09.07.2011 at 20:16 [UT+1] »This thread is interesting..I too have certain confusion as to what time did I actually chose to be born because
the way it happened is little unusual..

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I was due to on 30th March..and I was born on 5th april..exactly 1 week later...and that too my mother had tobe induced with artificial labour pains.....

Sometimes I ponder over this...and this makes me think perhaps I was not willing to be born and perhaps wasforced out of my mother's womb....or it may be that I was willing to be born later and was planning for someother placements ...may be that is the reason I do not relate to my chart very well...but being born later would
mean risky to my mother's life....and mine as well...my mother told me that if the artificially induced labour
would not have worked then she would have to undergo operation....that means that was the deadline....and inany case i had to be born on that day...
but I really thank God that I was not born on 30th march...that would make my B j. rather than a..and thiswould result in may squares esp.AoB and along with my strong saturn and neptune squares I would haveuranus squares too...my chart would be severly afflicted...then...
all my a personals would be squared by my moon....
I am already struggling with Saturn squares..so a jB would be tough to deal with...
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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #14 - on: 10.07.2011 at 02:13 [UT+1] »I was due September 1- but bopped along on July 22
Odd- my birth weight was 4.33 lbs & my birth time ( EST NOT EDT) was 4:33 am

My mother had toxemia....
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Re: Birthdate vs. Due Date« Reply #15 - on: 10.07.2011 at 02:24 [UT+1] »http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1235022151/0
Has some interesting info from Alice McDermott.

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