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NewMonkie
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Astrology and the Gemini-Sagittarius Axis
« on: 18.08.2009 at 19:32 [UT+1] »I have noticed some people on this forum have cA yet I don't think that I have seen anyone on here eversay that they have iA. Why is this? I actually got a viewpoint of astrology from somebody with a iA (mybrother) last night and I think that I may know why I have noticed more geminis on here.
Sagittarians want to learn things from experience rather than having it told to them or having read it
somewhere. Astrologers often try to tell us who we are. There are people who tell us that astrology doesn't tell
us who we are entirely and maybe they are right but many people seem to get too caught up in what astrology
says anyways. It seems like some people might need to either take a break from astrology or think like they
have stopped believing in it for a while in order to indulge in sagittarius' pull; in order to really wash out all of
astrology's concepts which poison us when we over consume them. I don't think that none is the healthyamount of astrology, I like astrology yet I think it has some down sides you must watch out for.
On this forum it seems like people have replaced, "Hi, my name is Bryan. I like sweet potatoes and jazz." with
"Hi, I am a bA w/ kB". Also, why do so many people use their signs in their forum name? For some it could
be that they see themselves as their sign, with others it may not and with others it might be that way justalittle.
My brother was saying to me that astrology was never going to tell him who he is or what he is going to decide
to do. He said that he could decide to ride his bike off right then and not come back and it wouldn't be in thestars. If you believe that he couldn't have because the stars didn't give that to him as an option than your viewof life must be quite dull. I will ultimately do what I want in life and if it is in the stars than that's fine and if it
isn't then the stars can kiss my ass! I think that such a view is appropriate.
Your thoughts?
I also would like to take a poll. If you have a c or iA then I would like for you to say it and to say which. I
think that would be interesting.
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« Reply #1 - on: 18.08.2009 at 19:53 [UT+1] »Quote from NewMonkie on 18.08.2009 at 19:32 [UT+1]:

cA

I have noticed that a lot of the people on this forum have
yet I don't think that I have seen anyone on here ever say that they have
. Why is this? I actually got a viewpoint of astrology from somebody with a(my brother) last night and now I think I know why
this is.

iA

iA

Geminis are ordinarily more comfortable accepting what others tell them about themselves while sagittarians ordinarily aren't. Astrology
tries to tell us who we are. There are people who tell us otherwise and maybe they are right that it doesn't tell us who we are but mostpeople seem to get too caught up in what astrology says anyways. It seems like we would need to either take a long break fromastrology, actually stop believing in it, or atleast think like we have stopped believing in it for a while in order to indulge in sagittarius'
pull; in order to really wash out all of astrology's concepts which poison us when we over indulge on them.

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On this forum it seems like people have replaced, "Hi, my name is Bryan. I like sweet potatoes and jazz." with "Hi, I am aw/". Also, why do so many people use their signs in their forum name? For some it could be that they see it as a trophy (a trophy thatthey didn't even earn! BTW). I also notice so many people asking things like what a good career for them is based on their chart. Do youkB

see something wrong with this?
My brother was saying to me that astrology was never going to tell him who he is or what he is going to decide to do. He said that hecould decide to ride his bike off right then and not come back and it wouldn't be in the stars. If you believe that he couldn't have because
the stars didn't give that to him as an option than your view of life must be quite dull. I will ultimately do what I want in life and if it is in
the stars than that's fine and if it isn't then the stars can kiss my ass! I think that such a view is more appropriate.
Your thoughts?
I also would like to take a poll. If you have ac or iA then say it and say which. That should be interesting.

Ok.
1. i are cofortable with themselves and there are sags here, I don't know what statistics you've observed
about c being more present on this forum than i, but my thoughts are that all sings appear here, proudly I'dsay.
2. I think both Sun signs are processors of information, and haven't noticed Ac taking it as it is, on thecontrary, they generally like to ask questions as well as Ai like to explore meanings.
3. Astrology doesn't have "poisoning concepts"
You sure sound skeptical here. Astrology is notentertainment like those Horoscope articles in magazines, and most people here know that it is a science.
4. This is an astro forum, not a jazz or potato forum. We talk about it, learn, search for a little guidance, ideas.
Some use their signs or certain aspects in their nicknames so they wouldn't repeat it everytime in a post thatinvolves them/ because it sounds good/ as a tropthy as you said/ because there is something they feel strong
and live with... I can find all sorts of reasons for that.
5. I've started a topic regarding careers, too. Some need suggestions, some didn't find a passion, there are allsorts of situations for which people ask about a suitable career. And through astrology you may look up at
some things you haven't maybe considered much. You don't have to look at it as a fatality and neither has yourbrother !!! No, I don't see anything wrong with asking a career advice or at taking a peak on someone's abilities
and giving some suggesions/ directions.
ps: good thing you changed your natal chart avatar, we wouldn't want any confusions in your statements
above.
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NewMonkie
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« Reply #2 - on: 18.08.2009 at 20:01 [UT+1] »I haven't observed any statistics and maybe that was biased but that's how it seems and that is why I wanted
to "take a poll".
I know nothing is wrong with asking about career options but sometimes people word it in a way that sounds
as if they are going to let somebody else make the decision for them. I actually like to talk about things thatare in my chart just because I like them though and I would find it hard to believe that other people don't thinkin a similar way at times.
I hope this doesn't turn into a heated argument. I wasn't insulting people with cA because I know that every
sign holds a peice to the puzzle and I also added in the word "ordinarily". I don't expect people to take this like
it is life changing advice or to completely agree with this, I would like people to know that. I don't want toseem arrogant and start a big mess.
I changed my first post just slightly. In some sentences I think emotion had biased what I had said and inother parts I made things a little more clear. Maybe I will change my avatar back lol
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« Reply #3 - on: 18.08.2009 at 20:11 [UT+1] »Well, no, I wouldn't want a mess either out of the subject. The only thing that I agree with I what you said isthat there are a lot of people who don't really know astrology, but turned to it here for answers they maybe
haven't gotten from elsewhere. I'm talking about the 'please read my chart pls pls', some for whom astrology
isn't a hobby or study matter and therefore are looking for black and white answers. Or any kind of answers,
actually. That's ok, too. But your questions weren't exactly for them. I am looking forward of hearing
oppinions.

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« Reply #4 - on: 18.08.2009 at 20:32 [UT+1] »Hi Newmonkie
Glad you started this thread and I hope you don't mind if I sidetrack a little, but I have not come across many

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The glyph was obviously designed with the c duality in mind, but I just don't know how that works for the
person born under this sign. Do you spend your life consciously or maybe unconsciously deciding which part ofyou will be prominent each day? Are you even aware that you have this duality in your personality?
The two who I have recently come to know have been pleasant, amusing and intelligent. All those things thatcook book authors tell us to expect from Geminis, But....
They are both sooo two faced and have caused a lot of pain by their inability to be straight with people or to befaithful. Is this because they are unable to decide exactly who they are? Or is it maybe a mercurial thing - themind works so fast it can't be still long enough to remain on one path?
I would be interested to hear any explanation of how the c character works.
Oh, and I just remembered one other from years ago and he was the same with a similar inability to maintainmonogamous relationships.
And NO. before all the Geminis on this forum start jumping up and down indignantly
they are all the same, just those I have met.

I am not saying

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Shokk

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« Reply #5 - on: 18.08.2009 at 22:34 [UT+1] »I personally wouldn't make a career decision based JUST on astrology. I might look into it (and already have) to
see if my chart lines up with my ambitions, what challenges I might face, etc.
But for people who just don't know what they want to do or where to go, etc. I think astrology might help givea push in what should be the right direction, but I wouldn't know, I haven't been there.
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I think it's kind of presumptuous to call placement-based usernames trophies, some might indeed treat themlike that, but some might have just slapped it on becuase they wanted to avoid giving personal information or
because that was just the best they could think of for an astrology site.
But anyway, I'm an kA, so I guess that invalidates me for this poll.
Does a cB count?

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judyanne
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« Reply #6 - on: 18.08.2009 at 22:41 [UT+1] »iA here. We don't usually respond to a thread unless we find it interesting.
Ordinarily I would find this type of thread boring and would not have bothered to respond, but I thought you
might want to know the reason why you don't see a lot of iAs on the threads you read.

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NewMonkie

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« Reply #7 - on: 18.08.2009 at 22:56 [UT+1] »I guess it makes sense why I notice the gemini suns, they are probably the ones who are constantly posting,
being geminis.
Although, I just read the descriptions of sagittarius and gemini sun and moon on another astrology site andnoticed that the descriptions for geminis were about 4 or 5 times longer than the descriptions for sagittarians
so I am not yet going to accept that as the only reason that I don't see sagittarians posting Judyanne.
Shokk, I also have cB. I think this interests me even more because I have a iK though.
I think I am going to change that whole idea of it being like a trophy on my first post though. It is more theidea that people may see themselves more as their sign than as themselves.
Something else my brother said that I am moling over is this, "I think judging somebody based on their sign isjust as bad as judging them based on their race or their religion."
BTW my brother is actually an adult and he has a car, he just really likes to bike and even wants to bike acrossthe country next summer. iA at less than 1 degree plus a bunch more in i.
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« Reply #8 - on: 18.08.2009 at 23:46 [UT+1] »Quote from NewMonkie on 18.08.2009 at 19:32 [UT+1]:
I have noticed some people on this forum havecA yet I don't think that I have seen anyone on here ever say that they have iA. WhyiA (my brother) last night and I think that I may know why I haveis this? I actually got a viewpoint of astrology from somebody with a
noticed more geminis on here.

Geminis are ordinarily more comfortable accepting the rules while sagittarians ordinarily aren't. Maybe that also applies with accepting
what astrology says about us. Astrologers often try to tell us who we are. There are people who tell us that astrology doesn't tell us who
we are entirely and maybe they are right but many people seem to get too caught up in what astrology says anyways. It seems like somepeople might need to either take a break from astrology or think like they have stopped believing in it for a while in order to indulge insagittarius' pull; in order to really wash out all of astrology's concepts which poison us when we over consume them. I don't think thatnone is the healthy amount of astrology, I like astrology yet I think it has some down sides you must watch out for.

bA w/kB". Also, why do so many people use their signs in their forum name? For some it could be that they see themselves as their sign,
On this forum it seems like people have replaced, "Hi, my name is Bryan. I like sweet potatoes and jazz." with "Hi, I am awith others it may not and with others it might be that way just alittle.
My brother was saying to me that astrology was never going to tell him who he is or what he is going to decide to do. He said that hecould decide to ride his bike off right then and not come back and it wouldn't be in the stars. If you believe that he couldn't have because
the stars didn't give that to him as an option than your view of life must be quite dull. I will ultimately do what I want in life and if it is in
the stars than that's fine and if it isn't then the stars can kiss my ass! I think that such a view is appropriate.
Your thoughts?
I also would like to take a poll. If you have ac or iA then I would like for you to say it and to say which. I think that would beinteresting.

SagSunLibraMoon (? or very similar name to same), is a Sag. Sun, and from my limited observations, a rather
typical one in tendencies in some respects.
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« Reply #9 - on: 19.08.2009 at 02:15 [UT+1] »Hello we are a cA. Duality? Yes and no. Rule Following? Where the h-e-double-hockey-sticks did you get thatidea???? We are the most flexible sign and bending rules like spoons whereas the iA might break them
accidentally because they are having so much fun they didn't see that little rule(ummm...sorry..did it cost
much? Can it be replaced? Not to worry I'll get you a better rule.). cand iA's also work well together
although opposites. We make a great team, the mastermind(cA/idea manufacturer) and themuscle(iA/fun-loving adventurer). Our sun's energies are of course highly modified by the other factors inour charts so don't be a corihater. For more information about gemini's try the "hey gemini" thread on thisforum in the personal section. http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1247498443
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NewMonkie
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« Reply #10 - on: 19.08.2009 at 03:46 [UT+1] »Estelle, I actually did forget that geminis like to be different and will suddenly drop lovers who don't give them
freedom. However, sagittarians are rebellious as well. They are kind to others but they don't have a problem
with breaking the rules as long as nobody gets hurt.
I will edit my first post if I still can.
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« Reply #11 - on: 19.08.2009 at 04:39 [UT+1] »This topic attracts me even I am no c or i A. I have c asc and i 7th house with living in DI
conjunction.
Astrology for me is more like sth. interesting to explore especially from psychology viewpoints. I never take it
as set rules/indicators which confine my life - especially physical happenings. However, I don't believe you cando whatever you want in life either. I think life is more of what you make with quite a few external unknown anduncontrollable factors. You may make certain progress but with a limitation - despair? sometimes, but for me,
life's beauty is not only for self-accomplishment or excelling in every aspect. Life/creature itself is magical andinteresting enough, the universe, the thinking itself - why we can do this or that and how about aliens.
Secondly, it is about Relation/Love etc. most challenging yet fortunate thing you can put effort in to
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Personally, I don't have a fixed view on types or people; I think it is more about cause/effect. I care more on
inner growth/achievement other than physical/material gain. Someone says the effortless outward beauty, I
would say inner beauty with effort - from a blank paper towards a rich painting - it takes
time/experiences/retrospection/choice/suffering if has to be - the whole lots of tests/progression to reach theinner peace and true strength - love, forgiving but standing firmly on your belief (personally, I think Equality is
the foundation of a harmonious and peaceful world), etc.
How does astrology come into play, an inspiration. Psychology itself has its uniqueness that it is not always
absolutely right and wrong, 1 or 0 at the same moment - a bit like quantum physics. It is complicated andsomehow does shape us silently. I think we can never totally understand ourselves, which is not the point. It
makes senses if I can direct myself (a good driver for myself first) towards the goal, making progress in mylife
other than being shaken by external events, loosing control at some critical moments etc.
Back to Gemini and Sagittarius, personally, the former is natural due to asc placement or not; the latter is what
I love and probably what I have potential to have: wisdoms and faiths. Doesn't philosophy mean "LoveWisdom", which is very different on daily life cleverness or short-sighted calculating. When you are in a troubled
relationship, a tragic event, philosophy can always help; or put it in another way, to test your personal
wisdom/strength - how you look at it and react upon it. The so called freedom/idealism of Sag. come out of
this - worldly whole-picture viewpoint, not dwelling on specific trivials or emotional traps, but moving on.
It is true that I can totally express above opinions without any astrological context/conception. It is just naturalwhen similar "pattern" happens frequently, the mentality may try to group them together and explore more
hidden reasons/logics so that some meaningful generalization will be produced. Maybe it is not a pattern, ormaybe the generalization is wrong. But you at least know sth. or approach to the truth more.
Some people don't use any specific knowledge to understand internal/external states. Others do. Not a big
difference. If astrology could provide some interpretations and reasons, would the native reconfirm his/her own
intuition by it? maybe yes, maybe no - most of people I think, just make decisions on rationality.
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« Reply #12 - on: 19.08.2009 at 11:10 [UT+1] »Quote from NewMonkie on 19.08.2009 at 03:46 [UT+1]:
Estelle, I actually did forget that geminis like to be different and will suddenly drop lovers who don't give them freedom. However,sagittarians are rebellious as well. They are kind to others but they don't have a problem with breaking the rules as long as nobody gets
hurt.
I will edit my first post if I still can.

I would amend you statement slightly: Sagittarians are kind to others and don't have a problem breaking therules as long as nobody gets hurt(..but are so careless when they are having fun and being magnanimous thatthey don't always notice when they have hurt others. They see the big picture and not the details. Details arewhat their little gemini imp buddies concern themselves with.)
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« Reply #13 - on: 19.08.2009 at 11:32 [UT+1] »Gemini and Sagittarius are opposite signs, and as all opposite signs they are in many ways of opposite nature.
The nature of Gemini is to investigate everything from every possible aspect, the nature of Sagittarius is to finda goal and purpose and follow it. This will make Gemini either a person with many valuable facets, or someone
wh gets lost in unimportant detail and loses sight of what is really important. Sagittarius has a goal, and if it isa true goal he will become very successful. But if it a goal based upon illusions or self-centeredness he will bevery, very lost. Gemini learns discrimination, Sagittarius learns intuition. Gemini is by nature trying to connect
all aspects of life to one unit, Sagittarius is more interested in the unity by itself. Sagittarius loves freedom andtruth - it may be a noble freedom and truth, or "only "my freedom" and only "my truth." Gemini develops
communication - superfical intellectual communication or a deep communication from heart to heart.
I see these two signs (as all opposite signs) as the inside and the outside of the hand. Each are "half" andincomplete in themselves. As we progress and learn to understand our own Sun-sign, we gradually also have tolearn and incorporate the qualities of the opposite sign.
And by the way, I have Ac.
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« Reply #14 - on: 19.08.2009 at 14:33 [UT+1] »(Takes a deep breath)
I would not even know how to respond to this thread. My first thought was to mention how often I have seen
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Before starting a thread like this, I would take the time to search more through the forum. You'd be surprisedby the amount of i (including myself) who frequently post in this dicussion forum. Nonetheless, I do
appreciate you taking the initiative to bring forth this thread.
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« Reply #15 - on: 19.08.2009 at 14:43 [UT+1] »Quote from estelle on 19.08.2009 at 02:15 [UT+1]:

cA

Hello we are a. Duality? Yes and no. Rule Following? Where the h-e-double-hockey-sticks did you get that idea???? We are the mostflexible sign and bending rules like spoons whereas themight break them accidentally because they are having so much fun theyiA

candiA's also
cA/idea manufacturer) and the muscle(iA/fun-loving
adventurer). Our sun's energies are of course highly modified by the other factors in our charts so don't be a corihater. For more
didn't see that little rule(ummm...sorry..did it cost much? Can it be replaced? Not to worry I'll get you a better rule.).
work well together although opposites. We make a great team, the mastermind(

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information about gemini's try the "hey gemini" thread on this forum in the personal section. http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?
num=1247498443

Hehe...much of what you've mentioned is true, except in my case, I have gotten away from apologizing forwhat I do. For me, everything happens for a reason and with reason, and if the other person can not taken
that, too bad! Not to be mean - it's just the nature of how things work. Also be mindful of some of our devilmay-care attitudes...sometimes we just do not care altogether. Overall, we love everyone and would not mind
dealing with them regardless of the circumstances.
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« Reply #16 - on: 19.08.2009 at 17:49 [UT+1] »for sun sign check the avatar
My initial thought was to ignore the thread but good thing I check it out and got counted!

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« Reply #17 - on: 19.08.2009 at 18:01 [UT+1] »Hi, my name is not Bryan. I like sweet potatoes and jazz.
Last time I looked there are many...

abcdefghijkl A's on the board.
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« Reply #18 - on: 19.08.2009 at 18:12 [UT+1] »yeah, where the hell's the sweet potato forum?? I came here specifically to discuss sweet potatoes.
I was seriously mislead.
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« Reply #19 - on: 19.08.2009 at 19:31 [UT+1] »Ac,ASCi

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« Reply #20 - on: 19.08.2009 at 19:31 [UT+1] »Oh well. Another Sag sun here.

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« Reply #21 - on: 21.08.2009 at 10:55 [UT+1] »Sun, Jupiter and Mercury in Sagittarius here making a miniature fanhandle to an eastern hemisphere singleton
Uranus in Gemini. So yes I live the Gemini - Sagittarius axis.
How does it work out? It inclines me to being rather independent and freedom loving in my day-to-day
affairs (singleton Uranus on cusp of 3rd house but in 2nd, and for many years I earned my living as afreelance advertising copywriter also suggesting the Sagittarian or promotional influence) .
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« Reply #22 - on: 21.08.2009 at 11:41 [UT+1] »I have a cA opposite my iB. I have F in c. And I have the nodes across this axis; Kc.
So I guess I'm pretty familiar with both sides the axis. For me the two opposites fit together like a hand in a
glove. It works really well for me, anyway.
In my experience Gemini wants to know stuff, and is curious about everything, flitting around from subject tosubject, reading everything that piques their interest, and in my case not always finishing the book before
something more interesting comes along. Jack of all trades, yes. Master of none, yes. But after 44 years I haveacquired quite a body of useless information.
Sag asks; what does it all mean? My mind tends to be constantly looking for patterns. All that info that Gem
acquires randomly from everywhere, fits into an overall big picture that forms my belief system, or what to meis the meaning of life. It is constantly evolving as new information comes in, I am constantly updating the
program! As long as I'm learning things I'm happy.
The downside is that I get really bored if there isn't a constant influx of new information, new people, newexperiences. I hate to commit to anything, in case something more interesting comes up, or I'm not in themood when the time comes. I like to keep my options open as much as possible. Relationships are challenging,
because after I have learned everything there is to know about a person, I can lose interest. If this makes themfeel insecure and they start demanding more of my attention.....mmmm, problem. I really need too muchspace for most people.
I also just wanted to say something in Gemini's defense. I keep hearing about how we are two faced, or dodgy
in some way on this forum. I never thought of myself like that at all. I do constantly change my mind or my
opinions, I will often play devil's advocate and argue the opposite of what I really think, just for the fun of it. It
comes as a shock to me when people get angry at me for doing this. I sometimes don't realise how seriously
people take their ideas and opinions. Ideas are entertainment for me, I rarely get emotional about them. I alsostrongly believe that if you aren't revising your beliefs or ideas as you go along....then you are stagnating.
I was going to go on....but that would be letting the Sag side take over, and we all know how boring a Fmonologue or a lecture can be. So, I'll shut up now.
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« Reply #23 - on: 21.08.2009 at 13:48 [UT+1] »Nice post! Lynnifer, you are indeed familiar with both ends of the axis.
I am more familiar with the Gemini side, with both my B and my AC there. But I find Sags very attractive, in a
fun and non-theatening way. My boyfriend and also one of my best friends both have i AC (on or near myDC)
Quote from lynnifer on 21.08.2009 at 11:41 [UT+1]:
In my experience Gemini wants to know stuff, and is curious about everything, flitting around from subject to subject, reading everythingthat piques their interest, and in my case not always finishing the book before something more interesting comes along. Jack of all trades,
yes. Master of none, yes.
I also just wanted to say something in Gemini's defense. I keep hearing about how we are two faced, or dodgy in some way on thisforum. I never thought of myself like that at all. I do constantly change my mind or my opinions, I will often play devil's

advocate and argue the opposite of what I really think, just for the fun of it. It comes as a shock
to me when people get angry at me for doing this. I sometimes don't realise how seriously
people take their ideas and opinions. Ideas are entertainment for me, I rarely get emotional
about them. I also strongly believe that if you aren't revising your beliefs or ideas as you goalong....then you are stagnating.

I really feel the same way. Reading lots of things paralelly, striking up conversations and picking up info here or
there.
Also, I find it difficult to accept that people could personally offended when discussing abstact ideas

I hadsome unpleasant moments because of this - nowadays I try to exercise some self-control , especially that also
have A in f and also CmJ there - so I can also be quite critical in a factual way, which is further fuelled by
myE in the 3rd house

Anyway, CmJ in f is a good counterbalance for all the Gemini vibe - after sifting through all the bits of
information I can put them to good use if I make the effort, which is very useful at my job
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« Reply #24 - on: 21.08.2009 at 21:16 [UT+1] »So are sagittarians more likely to argue about things only when it's really what they believe in and do they takeit more seriously? I would say that is how it is with my brother.
BTW we can stop the pole of what a person's sun sign is...
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« Reply #25 - on: 22.08.2009 at 10:07 [UT+1] »I think Sagittarians are more likely to lecture or preach, than argue.

In a benevolent, helpful way of course.

I don't really know what you mean by; stop the pole of the sun sign.
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« Reply #26 - on: 23.08.2009 at 21:02 [UT+1] »Quote from NewMonkie on 21.08.2009 at 21:16 [UT+1]:
So are sagittarians more likely to argue about things only when it's really what they believe in and do they take it more seriously? I would
say that is how it is with my brother.
BTW we can stop the pole of what a person's sun sign is...

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Actually, I would look at the person's Mars placement to determine whether or not they argue. My E is in g ,and arguing/arguments to me are a waste of energy, so I close things out before arguments can ensue. Thenagain, I will say to you there can be clashes over teaching methods/styles/ideas, in addition to opinions,thoughts, and so on and so forth. The way I see it, it's another experience, and we all learn from each other.
It's just that I feel if discussions and dialogues (or those involved in them, for that matter) can see things fromthat perspective i.e. we can all learn and benefit from it), there would really be no need for the shouting andfussing.
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« Reply #27 - on: 24.08.2009 at 03:31 [UT+1] »Hope to see this thread continue. I have north node Sag and south node Gem. Mars in Libra. Venus, theascendant ruler, is in Sag.

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Here are a few starters. Mars in Libra does argue and debate. Intellectually. Peacefully, bringing the opposites
together in harmony and peace. Tearing the unity into opposites. with a smile, perhaps, and gently so.
Sag does not really argue or debate. Sag tells you what is right and what is wrong. I always believe that theascendant of USA chart is Sag, not Gem. Sag knows it all. No argument.
Gem is diversified and needs that diversity.
Also, Sag does not read all the inputs in the thread or any thread. Ok, mostly not.
Starters only. Gem of Sag, or a sag of gems.
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« Reply #28 - on: 27.08.2009 at 02:59 [UT+1] »Quote from Thomas on 24.08.2009 at 03:31 [UT+1]:
Hope to see this thread continue. I have north node Sag and south node Gem. Mars in Libra. Venus, the ascendant ruler, is in Sag.
Here are a few starters. Mars in Libra does argue and debate. Intellectually. Peacefully, bringing the opposites together inharmony and peace. Tearing the unity into opposites. with a smile, perhaps, and gently so.

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Sag does not really argue or debate. Sag tells you what is right and what is wrong. I always believe that the ascendant of USA chart isSag, not Gem. Sag knows it all. No argument.
Gem is diversified and needs that diversity.
Also, Sag does not read all the inputs in the thread or any thread. Ok, mostly not.
Starters only. Gem of Sag, or a sag of gems.
ThomasAllow me to clarify what I mentioned - Mars in Libra enjoys debates and arguments, but dislikes shouting
matches and anything that involves disruption of peace and harmony, even when it starts out as a friendly
debate or argument.
Me personally - as long as no one is getting hurt, put down or insulted, it's fair game.
Oh - and about telling right and/or wrong, you do make a good point being that many of us 'agree' with
Universal Law as well as ethics and morals. However, this can get controversial, since not everyone agrees with
it/them, and next thing you know arguments and debates ensue. Then again - as long as all parties involved
can learn something beneficial from it, everything is great at the end of the day!

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« Reply #29 - on: 27.08.2009 at 06:25 [UT+1] »I am a Gemini Sun always working on aquiring more knowledge [in more than one subject] the arts,natural
medicine and astrology and languages.
The more I learn about astrology the clearer it becomes to me that everything is interconnected and I
live out the energies the planets have bestowed on me 24/7.
Astrology is a language and the planets ,houses and signs are symbols. My honey who knows little
about astrology will occasionally say " she is so Leo" [when referring to an extrovert woman with a curly maneof blond curls] I know exactly what he means before I have even seen this person.He is describing an archetype
I am definitly quite Gemini[like multiples,variety
and apparently gesture with my hands when I talk, even in the dark !] We use these handles in circles where
this is the language. I love to be in the company of astrologers [a rarity for me] where we speak
astrology.Several years ago at an Evolutionary conference we wore labels with our name like "Azcelt. Pluto in leo
in third house" Just information. In medical circles they have labels which do the same-Gastrointerologist,
OBGYN,Oncology-it all gives us a hint of who this person is and their mode of operation in this world.So, I
think it is quite appropriate on an astrology forum to use astrological symbolism to describe a little about
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Wakefulness« Reply #30 - on: 29.08.2009 at 01:57 [UT+1] »New Member

A, E, and I m in i here.
I'm not very active on this forum but thought I'd stand up and be counted. As to why there may be less vocal
Sag's on this site, I don't really know-- but here's my guess:

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I find that often a lot of the Sag's I know will sit back and take in a piece of information to evaluate whether or
not it's "true", where often the Gem's I know will just get up in the mix with their opinion, which is often
immediately formed.
Maybe we're all on here just taking it all in? I know that I am...

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« Reply #31 - on: 29.08.2009 at 02:27 [UT+1] »Well, under the sidereal zodiac I certainly consider myself a Gemini Sun. How has it manifested? I seem tohave scattered my energies my whole life, even when the Martian emphasis in my chart is just screaming tofocus on one subject, project or job on its own, I always seem to end up diverting my time and energy between
two or more concerns. It was maddening when Saturn was transiting my Sun in sidereal Gemini circa 2003/04,
I held down so many responsibilities, became very driven with regards to pursuing a career in the media(another Gemini hallmark), mentally it can be exhausting.
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« Reply #32 - on: 29.08.2009 at 03:47 [UT+1] »lynnifer
we are slightly twins LOL
sag sun and gemini moon ( full moon ), nodes to boot and mars and uranus conjunct both lumineriers.
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dont forget everyone that sag and gem are mutable which i think is very important.
how does it affect me ?????
always wanted to be a journalist but was bribed into hairdressing, yeah, full; moon, will verses feelings.
also went to live overseas and vowed never to return but again, will versus feelings and didnt want to deprive
parents from only childs big wedding,,,,,,,,, yuck.
well, in my school days i was great in sport , running swimming etc.
for married life i gave away my freedom to another sag ( disaster ), had four kids (5 th and 11 th) so that reallystifled my inventiveness, creativity and freedom.
kids gone, hubby gone. prog sun trine to natal moon
all seems well and i am happy.
today jupiter is trine uranus so that,s good too !!!

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« Reply #33 - on: 31.08.2009 at 14:51 [UT+1] »Quote from Wisdom in Wakefulness on 29.08.2009 at 01:57 [UT+1]:

A, E, and I m in i here.
I'm not very active on this forum but thought I'd stand up and be counted. As to why there may be less vocal Sag's on this site, I don't
really know-- but here's my guess:

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I find that often a lot of the Sag's I know will sit back and take in a piece of information to evaluate whether or not it's "true",
where often the Gem's I know will just get up in the mix with their opinion, which is often immediately formed.
Maybe we're all on here just taking it all in? I know that I am...

What is interesting about this post, is the fact that I thought about how this applied to me, and I am a little bitof both. Wait a minute - a lot of 'sitting back and taking only what I see as truth,' then a bit of 'trying to blend
in and give my opinion.' Believe it or not, B e has more to do with this than my A i does, because I do likegetting attention.
You're not alone with that last statement...I am too!
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« Reply #34 - on: 02.09.2009 at 04:06 [UT+1] »quote:Oh - and about telling right and/or wrong, you do make a good point being that many of us 'agree' with
Universal Law as well as ethics and morals. However, this can get controversial, since not everyone agrees with

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it/them, and next thing you know arguments and debates ensue. Then again - as long as all parties involved
can learn something beneficial from it, everything is great at the end of the day! end of quote.
Sag is jovial and fun-loving, and the post was tongue-in-cheek. Nobody knows what reality is. However, Sag is
not shy in preaching the Words of the Elders, the Classics, the Ethics, the Book. This, sadly, is a reason forconflicts between people and nations of two different Books. Gem, as one Gem person noted, does not see why
people get uptight over words, or books, or arguments.
I will throw another example of Sag in another post and how it is part of the sermons to the world
Jovial and happy-go-lucky,
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« Reply #35 - on: 02.09.2009 at 04:11 [UT+1] »One Famous Astrologer Writer, with his Ph. D, MBA, ABC, and 20 years of experience, categorically stated, “Theascendant of USA chart is Gemini.”Is this statement self-evident to me? No. It is not true to me, for now, if ever. Is this statement useful to me?
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No, it is useless to me.
Another Famous Astrologer Writer, with her Ph. D, MBA, ABC, and 20 years of experience, categorically stated,“The ascendant of USA chart is Sagittarius.”
Is this statement self-evident to me? Yes. It is true to me. Is this statement useful to me? Yes, it is useful tome. I can relate to how USA as a nation sees the world and interacts with the other nations, along with the Sun
in Cancer and the Moon in Aquarius.
With the Gem ascendant and view of the world, USA as a nation would operate mainly in the North East “mindmy own business” quadrant. With the Sag ascendant and view of the world, USA as a nation would operate
mainly in the South West “other people’s affairs” quadrant as it is doing now. That is where the planets would
shift houses with the change of ascendant signs.
Libra View and argument,
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« Reply #36 - on: 02.09.2009 at 11:06 [UT+1] »The c/i confusion regarding the US ascendant can be explained easily by the sidereal chart having the AmF
in c, giving a confluence of both Gemini and Sagittarian characteristsics. There is zero evidence for a tropicalGemini rising time and the only reliable evidence for a July 4th time points to early to mid morning between
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« Reply #37 - on: 02.09.2009 at 11:45 [UT+1] »Quote:
With the Gem ascendant and view of the world, USA as a nation would operate mainly in the North East “mind my own business”
quadrant. With the Sag ascendant and view of the world, USA as a nation would operate mainly in the South West “other people’s affairs”
quadrant as it is doing now. That is where the planets would shift houses with the change of ascendant signs.

Hi Thomas,
cut and dried as this may seem to you it is not a convincing argument to me, and I have no idea whether the
USA has a Gemini or Sagittarian Ascendant. This is because while the USA does come over as having anactive and interventionist foreign policy it is essentially one of self interest: protecting oil interests, or tradeinterests, demanding unrestricted access to others markets while often not reciprocating equally, such as
only allowing Australia and NZ somewhat limited meat access, and also maintaining farm subsidies thatshut out more efficient producers but demanding those same countries accept American product without
restriction, for example even TV commercial production (and jobs in a culturally important industry) incountries like Australia can be harmed by the sheer weight of USA product - reusing US advertisements.
The policies are understandable but that doesn't make them a level playing field.
Also US of A citizens percentage-wise tend not to travel overseas as much as people from smaller countries
such as New Zealand and Australia who of necessity travel widely because so much happens outside of ourcountries. The average American probably doesn't have a passport, hasn't been far outside the US of A if
at all (maybe not even much outside of their own state) and would have difficulty indicating the location ofmany world countries on a map. Given all that I think you need a better way of deciding what is the
Ascendant than arguing "mind my own business" as against "other people's affairs".
(just my Libran Moon and Sag Sun deciding to give the counter view to your point,

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« Reply #38 - on: 05.09.2009 at 18:41 [UT+1] »"i here. We don't usually respond to a thread unless we find it interesting. "I think that pretty much sums it up, but as a Sag Sun/Gem Moon I might be a little muddled in my ability todifferentiate. Then again, seeing as how my Mercury/Venus/and Neptune are also in Sag, maybe not.
Personally, I agree with the aforementioned trait of Sag's needing a purpose or goal. When I have that, I tend
to only interact in threads/conversations that I have a vested interest in, and despite my great interest in theworld in general, I can oftentimes remain oblivious to things if they don't fall under the scope of whatever I've
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« Reply #39 - on: 05.09.2009 at 19:13 [UT+1] »Sag sun, Ascendant, Mercury, and Saturn here. My Gemini rising boss drives me nuts because everything is on
the one hand, but on the other hand, when I need an unequivocal position from which to move forward. Well,it's good to know Thomas at least understands us. It is correct: we are here to tell you right and wrong,
because we are the ones who know. A thankless job, but somebody's got to do it!

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« Reply #40 - on: 05.09.2009 at 20:00 [UT+1] »With the i s who are here on a frequent basis, you can be sure they have a great, vested interest in online
Discussion forums. Additionally, there is plenty to learn and share here on the forums that are worth the timeand energy put forth.

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« Reply #41 - on: 05.09.2009 at 20:14 [UT+1] »well i ambled onto this thread out of pure procrastination and avoidance of more mundane houseworky
matters:- that would be my neptune in sag ( preferring some kind of philisophical debate) opposing the mind
numbing boredom of day to day chores G c Ist.
Either way i was initially confused (neptune in sag) and amused (conjunct jupiter) that from your post
Ophiuchus i wasn't sure whether you were referring to Americans or Sagittarians or just American sagittarians
when you said
Quote from Ophiuchus on 05.09.2009 at 19:13 [UT+1]:
Well, it's good to know Thomas at least understands us. It is correct: we are here to tell you right and wrong, because we are the ones
who know. A thankless job, but somebody's got to do it!

Anyway i am unequivacal in my belief that it was your saturn doing the talking there. Saturn always has thethankless tasks

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« Reply #42 - on: 05.09.2009 at 20:20 [UT+1] »It's possible.

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« Reply #43 - on: 06.09.2009 at 22:15 [UT+1] »ABCG in c here - just popping in to be counted.
Do I identify with my A sign? Absolutely!

But it doesn't govern my life!

Actually the well-known trait of c being unfaithful and incapable of monogamy makes me feel very

as I amthe complete opposite! But then it's not all about the sun sign, is it? There's much more to a chart. I actually
identify more with G as I am a very quiet, taciturn Gemini (not the archetypal chatterbox). G is my chart ruler
btw. I do note that I adapt my behaviour to fit in with the situation I'm in at the time so I'm not sure what myactual default personality is - probably just that: changeable
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« Reply #44 - on: 25.09.2009 at 07:08 [UT+1] »Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 02.09.2009 at 11:45 [UT+1]:
Quote:
With the Gem ascendant and view of the world, USA as a nation would operate mainly in the North East “mind my own
business” quadrant. With the Sag ascendant and view of the world, USA as a nation would operate mainly in the SouthWest “other people’s affairs” quadrant as it is doing now. That is where the planets would shift houses with the change ofPosts: 222

ascendant signs.

Hi Thomas,
cut and dried as this may seem to you it is not a convincing argument to me, and I have no idea whether the USA has a Gemini or
Sagittarian Ascendant. This is because while the USA does come over as having an active and interventionist foreign policy it is essentially
one of self interest: protecting oil interests, or trade interests, demanding unrestricted access to others markets while often notreciprocating equally, such as only allowing Australia and NZ somewhat limited meat access, and also maintaining farm subsidies that shut
out more efficient producers but demanding those same countries accept American product without restriction, for example even TV
commercial production (and jobs in a culturally important industry) in countries like Australia can be harmed by the sheer weight of USA
product - reusing US advertisements. The policies are understandable but that doesn't make them a level playing field.
Also US of A citizens percentage-wise tend not to travel overseas as much as people from smaller countries such as New Zealand andAustralia who of necessity travel widely because so much happens outside of our countries. The average American probably doesn't have apassport, hasn't been far outside the US of A if at all (maybe not even much outside of their own state) and would have difficulty
indicating the location of many world countries on a map. Given all that I think you need a better way of deciding what is the Ascendant
than arguing "mind my own business" as against "other people's affairs".
(just my Libran Moon and Sag Sun deciding to give the counter view to your point,

hope you don't mind, and no reflection on the

many broad minded USA citizens on this forum who may have travelled widely)

Hi Sun Sag Moon Lib, good combo,
I was hoping to see more inputs on the verification of the ascendant issue, given that this is a Sag/ Gem threadwith many people having a lifetime of personal experiences with them, majoring in them. Ophiuchus has adifferent view from yours.
I would like to note that the individual american's behaviour is not the measure in a nation's chart. It is the
behaviour of the office of the President, or the CEO, when we read the charts of nations and companies.
The thing in astrology is that if we are unable to differentiate between Sag and Gem ascendant, we cannot
really say that we can do synthesis of a chart, or do rectification of the charts. Rectification of the chart is tothe nearest minute, but Sag and Gem are 180* apart.
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« Reply #45 - on: 25.09.2009 at 09:20 [UT+1] »NewMonkie - How do you feel about this thread now that a substantial amount of Archers (i) and Twins (c)have come forth with their viewpoints? Would you still say that there are not enough around, or are you having
second thoughts?
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« Reply #46 - on: 26.09.2009 at 07:54 [UT+1] »Ophiuchus said:
Quote:
It is correct: we are here to tell you right and wrong, because we are the ones who know. A thankless job, but somebody's got to do it!

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Gender:As iA I can identify with that. I have cAC, so other viewpoints are interesting to consider, but mine is
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« Reply #47 - on: 26.09.2009 at 13:45 [UT+1] »You wanna know about Gemini, NewMonkie? I can Geminize ya. I have four there with my Sun.... UranusSaturn-Fortuna-Sun-Mercury. Yes, I prefer words to symbols; I prefer words to just about anything. You
seem to think that a Gemini is a Gemini is a Gemini. Not true ! How we wish we were, what fun that wouldbe, but unfortunately we have to contend with our Degree, our House, our Mercury, their aspects, how far the
evolving Moon is from the Sun, and what side of the Midheaven Street we live on.

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Gender:But I've been looking for some fun on this site (I'm drowning in interconnections !) so this is it, hiding behinda bush of generalities and Sun Sign platitudes. First of all, you want to know why Gemini will not behave?
With us, it's all about the neigborhood, and look who we are stuck between ! On the left lives Old Stick in the
Mud Taurus (BORING), while Smothering with Advice Cancer (CONTROLLING) is on the right. We need AIR, I
tell you, AIR !!!
And why even talk about how often we break the rules . Who do you think they had to make the rules for in
the first place? So we bend the truth a little (okay, a lot) and we drive too fast (we have to, trying to escape
our last disaster) and we fool around sometimes with that neighbor's husband or your son (what are backyards
FOR ) and we never intend to grow up (look at everybody in their 60's; we all have Uranus in Gemini). The
world needs a little chaos and havoc to keep us from taking each other too seriously.
So I understand Sagittarius with his Important Theories and his serach for Ultimate Truth. Heck, those of us
with Gemini would be happy with any kind of truth. We look to his neighbors, and what do we see? On theleft is deadly intense Scorpio, and on the right the most important and serious Capricorn. There are two pinsin the balloon if I ever saw them. Sagittarius has no choice but to rise above it all and live in his Ivory Tower
which overlooks the entire forest and doesn't know one tree from another. Gemini could tell him the name ofevery tree; she just scanned a book on it when she had a few minutes this morning.
C'mon, this is really a contest between Mercury and Jupiter, isn't it? You show me how big you are, and I'll
show you how quick I am.

But both of us have a lot in common.

We like to use our brains and we do think about THINGS, coming to our independent conclusions, because welike to be FREE, and we won't be owned or fenced in or suffocated. Some of us have a good faithful Venus
and we know how to love for a lifetime, but you have to let both of us breathe, travel, spend time alone, andgive it all up for a dream that we believe in. We can both tell you stories that knock your socks off, we canquote poetry and we know the best literature on the planet. But we don't care about the values of ownershipor the priority of money or the principle of greed.
keep them forever.

Our neighbors have those things all sewn up, and may theyFire needs Air, and Air creates Fire. We are not made of sturdier stuff, we are like the wind.
I'd rather see the world with a Sagittarian than anyone else in this zodiac. He can lecture me in the big
museums, then I'll show him some little places around the corner that only the locals know about. When weget bored (as we always do), we can debate, before exploring other opposite positions.
Will that do ya, NewMonkie?
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« Reply #48 - on: 26.09.2009 at 15:13 [UT+1] »I am curious about how the Gemini-Sagittarius axis affect travelling. I have seen charts of travellers withplanets in Gemini and Sagittarius around a Gemini-Sagittarius MC/IC axis. Someone I know has an opposition
falling across his ninth and third houses, and when the Solar Arc Midheaven/IC progressed to this opposition hesuddenly started travelling far and wide. Apart from this opposition - Saturn opposition Chiron - he has Marsand Mercury in Gemini in the ninth and eighth houses respectively and is fascinated by foreign languages. The
antiscion of his eighth house Mercury in Gemini falls in Cancer in his ninth house.
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« Reply #49 - on: 26.09.2009 at 17:48 [UT+1] »beetlejuice,cA, i rising...a A-ruled F, the A rules the 9th and O the 3rd...nodes are in ic.
I've been traveling every month since 2007 with p CA m O.
These trips have been 99% in the U.S. within 1,000 miles of home.
For much of this year I've spent almost no time at home.
My b/f has a 9th h cAOK, and has lived across the border, north and south, for much of his life. He needs aroad trip every month.
An 11th h cAE friend with a C-ruled 3rd h, fJO in the 3rd, has lived overseas for many years. He
speaks many languages fluently.
A iA, cB friend has lived abroad and travels much as well.
An 8th h cA friend, A at 29 degrees, with h rising, G rules the 3rd and sits in the 9th, B rules the 9th andopposes J, moved from Yugoslavia to America due to the upheaval, bombings there.
A friend with cAO in the 12th, A and O rule the 3rd and 9th, kB in the 9th, is a teacher and travels all
summer in Europe.
My ex-husband, with iAGC and Vertex was never interested in traveling. I attribute that to the iG tightly
conjunct his A. This was VERY frustrating for me over the course of 20 years. His parents offered us a triparound the world one time or equal value in stocks. He took the stock. Maaaan!
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« Reply #50 - on: 27.09.2009 at 06:15 [UT+1] »Hi all,I read about this discussion on another thread, and came to see what it was about -being a i.
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I have i A E F but in the 12th, and i ascendent.
My persona (TravelTil) is all about travel, both short and long journeys. That's probably more about my nodal
axes (NN in the 9th) rather than anything else I can see in my chart. Long journeys are off to visit family,
indulge in learning about foreign cultures, or to attend conferences, with short for work.
I have absolutely nothing in c, other than ? the empty leg of a T o .
I know very few c, except for our office admin people. They tend to keep me in the loop at work, and I keepon their good side!
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« Reply #51 - on: 27.09.2009 at 07:24 [UT+1] »As I stated earlier in this thread, I have cACFKn iB.

I have travelled through Europe and lived in London.
I have also lived in Sth East Asia on and off for years. All of my major relationships have been with foreigners,
and/or took place in a foreign country.
I fall in love with whole cultures!
Travel was a goal of mine since early childhood, and I don't have any intentions of stopping till I'm old anddecrepit!
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« Reply #52 - on: 27.09.2009 at 16:53 [UT+1] »Quote from lynnifer on 27.09.2009 at 07:24 [UT+1]:...Travel was a goal of mine since early childhood, and I don't have any intentions of stopping till I'm old and decrepit!

Lol - good for you, Lynnifer, for realizing all your travel dreams!
When I was little I thought I wanted to be a stewardess and marry a pilot. I had a cousin who was a pilot, andI heard all about his travels, so maybe that's one reason why. When I got older the reality of being a
stewardess didn't appeal to me, but I love traveling - trains, planes, automobiles, ships - I love it all.
I traveled in Europe a lot before I got married with a c friend who was born 6 days after me.
Another cA friend who has Fg m hK would go on the most fantastic trips as gifts from her boyfriends.
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« Reply #53 - on: 03.10.2009 at 23:56 [UT+1] »Quote from Kwabena on 25.09.2009 at 09:20 [UT+1]:
NewMonkie - How do you feel about this thread now that a substantial amount of Archers (i) and Twins (c) have come forth with their

viewpoints? Would you still say that there are not enough around, or are you having second thoughts?
KWABENAi

I had second thoughts a long time ago. Iv'e been convinced. I haven't really been interested in this thread for along time.
Also, yes, Spiral 28, that will do me.
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« Reply #54 - on: 23.12.2009 at 18:41 [UT] »c B, i O here, if that counts. (seeing as O spends 7 years in one sign).

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« Reply #55 - on: 23.12.2009 at 21:11 [UT] »The thread starter asked about Gemini suns and Sagittarius moons. I have a cA, cascendant, and iB. I
display the c stuff, but have no clue what the iB does or doesn`t do. Maybe I`d know if I knew more about
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« Reply #56 - on: 23.12.2009 at 21:37 [UT] »Quote from Spiral 28 on 26.09.2009 at 13:45 [UT+1]:
You wanna know about Gemini, NewMonkie? I can Geminize ya. I have four there with my Sun.... Uranus-Saturn-Fortuna-Sun-Mercury.
Yes, I prefer words to symbols; I prefer words to just about anything. You seem to think that a Gemini is a Gemini is a Gemini. Not true !
How we wish we were, what fun that would be, but unfortunately we have to contend with our Degree, our House, our Mercury, theiraspects, how far the evolving Moon is from the Sun, and what side of the Midheaven Street we live on.
But I've been looking for some fun on this site (I'm drowning in interconnections !) so this is it, hiding behind a bush of generalities and
Sun Sign platitudes. First of all, you want to know why Gemini will not behave? With us, it's all about the neigborhood, and look who weare stuck between ! On the left lives Old Stick in the Mud Taurus (BORING), while Smothering with Advice Cancer (CONTROLLING) is on
the right. We need AIR, I tell you, AIR !!!
And why even talk about how often we break the rules . Who do you think they had to make the rules for in the first place? So we bend
the truth a little (okay, a lot) and we drive too fast (we have to, trying to escape our last disaster) and we fool around sometimes withthat neighbor's husband or your son (what are backyards FOR ) and we never intend to grow up (look at everybody in their 60's; we all
have Uranus in Gemini). The world needs a little chaos and havoc to keep us from taking each other too seriously.
So I understand Sagittarius with his Important Theories and his serach for Ultimate Truth. Heck, those of us with Gemini would be happy
with any kind of truth. We look to his neighbors, and what do we see? On the left is deadly intense Scorpio, and on the right the mostimportant and serious Capricorn. There are two pins in the balloon if I ever saw them. Sagittarius has no choice but to rise above it all andlive in his Ivory Tower which overlooks the entire forest and doesn't know one tree from another. Gemini could tell him the name of every
tree; she just scanned a book on it when she had a few minutes this morning.
C'mon, this is really a contest between Mercury and Jupiter, isn't it? You show me how big you are, and I'll show you how quick I am. But
both of us have a lot in common.
We like to use our brains and we do think about THINGS, coming to our independent conclusions, because we like to be FREE, and we
won't be owned or fenced in or suffocated. Some of us have a good faithful Venus and we know how to love for a lifetime, but you haveto let both of us breathe, travel, spend time alone, and give it all up for a dream that we believe in. We can both tell you stories thatknock your socks off, we can quote poetry and we know the best literature on the planet. But we don't care about the values of ownershipor the priority of money or the principle of greed. Our neighbors have those things all sewn up, and may they keep them forever.
Fire needs Air, and Air creates Fire. We are not made of sturdier stuff, we are like the wind.
I'd rather see the world with a Sagittarian than anyone else in this zodiac. He can lecture me in the big museums, then I'll show him somelittle places around the corner that only the locals know about. When we get bored (as we always do), we can debate, before exploringother opposite positions.
Will that do ya, NewMonkie?

This fellow air sign Ag cB absolutely loved your post. I think you got it with that F/C comparison. Veryentertaining
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« Reply #57 - on: 27.12.2009 at 18:28 [UT] »Quote from PlutoCazimi on 23.12.2009 at 21:37 [UT]:This fellow air sign

Ag cB absolutely loved your post. I think you got it with that F/C comparison. Very entertaining

Brilliantly explained by Spiral28 , very entertaining / pleasantly readable(cB commonality with PC.. )Posts: 3813

Input from Torgny( so gemini by looks
Quote:) is also praiseworthy & made my concepts/understanding clearer:

Gemini and Sagittarius are opposite signs, and as all opposite signs they are in many ways of opposite nature. The nature of Gemini is toinvestigate everything from every possible aspect, the nature of Sagittarius is to find a goal and purpose and follow it. This will makeGemini either a person with many valuable facets, or someone wh gets lost in unimportant detail and loses sight of what is really
important. Sagittarius has a goal, and if it is a true goal he will become very successful. But if it a goal based upon illusions or selfcenteredness he will be very, very lost. Gemini learns discrimination, Sagittarius learns intuition. Gemini is by nature trying to connect all
aspects of life to one unit, Sagittarius is more interested in the unity by itself. Sagittarius loves freedom and truth - it may be a noble
freedom and truth, or "only "my freedom" and only "my truth." Gemini develops communication - superfical intellectual communication ora deep communication from heart to heart.

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« Reply #58 - on: 07.01.2010 at 13:47 [UT] »Personally, i make use of astrology to analyse the parts (mercury/ gemini) and fit them into a big picture(jupiter/ sagittarius). I want to differentiate (mercury) each sign, each planet, each house, the difference

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between house and sign and synthesise them (jupiter). I am not content with the belief that we already know
the basics and are into the advanced stage of prediction, synthesis and rectification. If we get a reading fromten astrologers we will get ten different reports. This is somehow not acceptable to me. Which report does theclient refer to? all of them?
Every person has all 12 signs and the ability to use all 12 signs in response to different situations. With
practice, we become aware of how we react in a particular manner. This awareness allows us to respond or not
to respond. Without awareness, we instinctively react, rather than act from within. The distinction of each partof the body is to know the different use of the head (Aries) , the neck (taurus) , hands (gem) and thighs (sag)to the feet (pisces). So, the thing is not whether we are Sag or Gem or any other. it is how we interact with allof them and express all of them.
We may not be skilful in the use of one part, or one sign, or one house, one planet, of the whole, but it isnevertheless a part of us, an inseparable part.
Enjoying the reading of your inputs,
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« Reply #59 - on: 07.01.2010 at 14:35 [UT] »I've lived with this Axis all my life ( 3 planet stellium in Gemini , sun , mars , venus ) , Sag moon , ascendant ,Jupiter 9 .
I cant add much more to what the others have said other than a Psyche perspective thing ... Gemini lives off
it's nerves and brains , Sag lives of it's bravado and brains ... We do compliment eachother in many ways and I
always have a laugh with Sag suns ... but one word of warning on this Axis ( especially if its part of you ) , The
Sag energy can lead Gemini way out of it's depth ...
Sure we Gemini suns rule the street , church of the lower mind so to speak ; and yes we know every crack in
the pavement but dont ask us the name of the street where walking along ... Sag is church of the higher mind ;they have the knowledge like a London Cabbie ( the black cabs not the mini cabs ) and they drive like one
aswell .
Geminis have to be wary of this energy ; otherwise it's burnout and quiet times in rooms with rubber walls tobounce off .
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« Reply #60 - on: 07.01.2010 at 16:16 [UT] »Hello,

ABi in the 10th house here and I found your brother's comments quite amusing.
Quote:My brother was saying to me that astrology was never going to tell him who he is or what he is going to decide to do. He said that hecould decide to ride his bike off right then and not come back and it wouldn't be in the stars. If you believe that he couldn't have because
the stars didn't give that to him as an option than your view of life must be quite dull. I will ultimately do what I want in life and if it is in
the stars than that's fine and if it isn't then the stars can kiss my ass! I think that such a view is appropriate.

Not sure what planets he has in Sag if any but "to just ride off on his bike is so appropriate for a Sag'. But I
don't know that a "belief in astrology" has to put you into the fate camp. We all know we don't even have toturn right when the GPS tell us to turn right but it is nice to have at least a map when we are traveling in new
territory. When I first became involved in the study of Astrology, I was not sure if I needed a divorce, change
of job, change of location or what. I ended up changing all of it plus more Pluto transiting 6 planets and theMC. Astrology brought me so much insight into what was going on and why I made the decisions that I had
made that I was hooked. When I look to the future, I tend to forget what I see anyway and just get on thebike and ride anyway.
For me the first thing though is always a "back to the basics". Like PlutoCazimi said, Sag is fire and Gemini isAir, Sag likes to take action, get on the bike and go, then while they are moving down the road, they haveclearer thoughts (this may be clouded my perception because of my iC) The one thing I have noticed on theboards is a tendency to confuse the planet with the sign. Thinking is not as exclusive to c as it is to C, justanother layer to help us learn how we thing. Back to the axis, Gemini is Air so intellect is essention no matter
what. If they want to go for a bike ride, they will need to know what type of bike for the trip, why to go, where
to go, (you know the 5 w's, they need to cover it all, while Sag will just grab the closest vehicle to get him
going and then after he thinks about it (as he eventually will) realize that a motorcycle would be much more
appropriate.
Also, I have an unusual quirk that I have adopted over the years, I think there is a progress in the threeelemental groups (fire, air, earth, water) for a reason. We act, think about our actions, try to build somethingout of it and then reflect on how we feel about it and send (emote) it into the universe. For me, the threegroups abcd are personal, we act alone and for our own growth, second efgh are interaction withanother individual where we test ourselves and grow through their reactions and feedback, the third ijkl
is where we take ourself and put it into a group relationship, testing and contribution to the world at large. On
this basis, Gemini then for me is where I and another interact so that we can learn how to effectively
communicate. I have six children so I got a lot of practice. When my kids were little, I was active in a lot ofgroups also, church, school, sports, owned my own business, had hobbies etc and often found myself becoming
the leader because I was so opinionated and it was easier to just "do" everything myself. If we needed money
for a piece of equipment, don't talk about it just decide and let's "do"it. Nothing happens unless we take action
and my iC makes it too easy for me to make a quick decision knowing that with the c always there, if I go
to far, all I have to do is change my mind or direction and I will eventually find balance.
As for the idea of an axis itself, it is a strange phonemenom. In physics, it does not matter how long a seesaw
is as long as the weight is distributed properly. So the more I live out of one sign, the more unbalanced I willremain. The one area in life that I do tend to think before I act is in reference to my children or a painting I
am creating. I always thought about what the reprecussion on my kids would be when a teacher pissed me off
and I can think about a painting, doing it over and over in my mind before I touch a brush to the canvas.
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« Reply #61 - on: 18.10.2018 at 12:43 [UT+1] »Sagittarius is the philosopher, the preacher who gives advice for free,plus some extra bigoted opinions.
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Thomas.
P. S. : USA natal chart has Sagittarius rising and not Gemini rising.
This is a Sagittarius' opinion, preachy, bigoted and pro bono.

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« Reply #62 - on: 19.10.2018 at 06:42 [UT+1] »i A, c RE here, in opposition. I've been called a moralist, a preacher, and I can be very intolerant of people
who don't seem to use logic, they can have different views but if they don't use logic, common sense, that caneasily get met annoyed.
In the last days I've been repeatedly clashing with my Gemini friend, I would start complaining about
someone's behavior and they would start to defend their views as if they were right because of all kind of
explanations, lol, and obviously I didn't finish the whole story but they were like "yes they're right coz.." andthat made me so, and I hate to be interrupted when I talk, but I do that too often, so welllll.... I love
Gemini people btw, they're super fun, incredibly sensitive, always logical, you can never get bored with them.
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« Reply #63 - on: 19.10.2018 at 07:48 [UT+1] »Quote from NewMonkie on 18.08.2009 at 20:01 [UT+1]:
I haven't observed any statistics and maybe that was biased but that's how it seems and that is why I wanted to "take a poll".

Uou might also have a look at astrologers_446.pdf in the causality in astrology thread.
Quote from NewMonkie on 18.08.2009 at 20:01 [UT+1]:
As I expected, nobody commented or showed any interest in my research on dancers:
http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/extra/dancer_139.pdf
or my recent research on astrologers
http://vissesh.home.xs4all.nl/mystiek/enneagram/extra/astrologers_446.pdf

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« Reply #64 - on: 20.10.2018 at 22:46 [UT+1] »Hi, a i A and O and I and MC here.

If you haven't seen many i people in this forum, here I am with my very well packaged i 10th house here.

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« Reply #65 - on: 30.10.2018 at 14:39 [UT] »Hi a iA and cB here!
I wasn't sure if the moon in the opposite sign was working for me. I came to the realization that the air B isgiving me even more depth to my thoughts!

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« Reply #66 - on: 25.11.2018 at 17:08 [UT] »Quote from Blanche on 30.10.2018 at 14:39 [UT]:Hi aiA and cB here!

I wasn't sure if the moon in the opposite sign was working for me. I came to the realization that the air

B is giving me even more depth

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Having a lot of i in my chart, including Bi, I sometimes wish I had at least one planet in Gemeni. I have thesouth node and vertex c but my best friend has your AiBc. We study together all the time and her
curiosity brings me to life like nothing else can. I was once told, i is the big picture and c is every piece ofthe puzzle. c is information and i is knowledge. One truly can't exist without the other.
I love the idea of having both because then I could back up my vision / intuition with the right information thathelps me understand and realise it. Also, keep in mind, depending on the degrees of your AB that this
attribute mimics a full moon, whilst my double ABi happened shortly after an exact new moon. New moons
are about beginnings, full moon is about fruition and full actualisation of something special to the individual. I
love how I was born during a new moon and my dear friend, close to an exact full moon.
If you don't mind, I have some questions. Do you perceive that wonderful ability to be both curious andvisionary, enthusiastic and investigative? Can you tell the difference between both in yourself? If yes, how?
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« Reply #67 - on: 26.11.2018 at 19:38 [UT] »Interesting old thread. Pleased it's been bumped.
I don't have the Sun in either sign, but I do have my ascendant in Sagittarius, which means my descendant isin Gemini, close to natal Jupiter - this might account for the fact that I've had many Geminian friends in mylifetime, including my partner.
I do think the criticism of Sag looking at the big picture whilst missing the details is probably true. I might

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Gender:have denied that a few years ago, but boy, what a difference the progressed Sun moving into Virgo made. Since
then, or at any rate a little time into it, I've become much more detail orientated and critical than before.
Nowadays I can see big and little, blending them both.
Gemini is also detail orientated, but in a less critical and carping way than Virgo. I've had to stop myself
making cutting sarcastic remarks when I see things I perceive as stupid in recent years. Not always succeeding.

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« Reply #68 - on: 27.11.2018 at 02:10 [UT] »Hi Rhythm9
Quote:[If you don't mind, I have some questions. Do you perceive that wonderful ability to be both curious and visionary, enthusiastic andinvestigative? Can you tell the difference between both in yourself? If yes, how?

I do have a very vivid imagination that allows me to see the whole picture. I also love to learn and study a

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Gender:subject very deeply. I like to have all facts on whatever I am learning, thanks to my curiosity. I have great
memory, and I guess this also let me see the "whole picture" more easily. I was born during full moon as well.
I am f ascendant, so that also helps to see details/big picture ? c minds sometimes wonders, f helps to be
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« Reply #69 - on: 27.11.2018 at 14:57 [UT] »Thank you for getting back to me Blanche
Yes f can thoroughly hone in on a subject and prioritise what matters most about it. Gemeni is fast thinking,Posts: 826

Virgo is thorough analysis / thinking. Gemeni 'thinks'. Virgo is 'thoughtful.' This mutable triplicity is perfect forstudying because you get the curiosity / variety c, the in depth analysis f and the integrative, synthesisingability i.

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« Reply #70 - on: 28.11.2018 at 20:10 [UT] »Great thread!

i rising...mix of fire, earth and water...connect more to the fire side of me. Emotions are really difficult for me
to handle....I try to use empathy and humor to cheer people up when possible...not sure if that's a i trait?
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I do love to travel even if it's just in my head...used to be a lot but I've found outlets...which helps me to staygrounded...
I've noticed recently my search for truth...particularly with religion...maybe my 9th house is being activated...I
dunno..but I've finally come to a realization that there can be truth in everything...
I used to be preachy...but as you get older you evolve..people live their own lives...make their own path...I'm
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« Reply #71 - on: 28.11.2018 at 20:36 [UT] »Hi asc c with NK m from 1st. My C is m I 6th h. I am not your usual light and airy c asc. I was very shy asa child and even now unsure when I speak to others. I feel misunderstood and that others are judging me for
how I speak and what I know. I am learning to be more sure of information and with my C in 6th having f
overtones, been certain of facts whilst allowing others their say. If they think they know more or become
pompous with me I will go away and prove my case, assimilate the information and deliver it as kindly as
possible. This is work in progress and I dont always get it right.
I hate liars and been decieved too, smelling a rat easily.

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