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rhetorikeEx MemberWill this war ever end?
« on: 20.03.2008 at 02:02 [UT] »This is the time of invasion provided by the military; based on the progressions and transits, do you think thiswar will ever end?

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« Reply #1 - on: 20.03.2008 at 02:14 [UT] »Based on the 2nd/8th houses.... not for sometime

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« Reply #2 - on: 20.03.2008 at 02:28 [UT] »boy, that's depressing Cranberry--tell me what you're seeing? can you be specific? god, I want this to be overso badly....

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« Reply #3 - on: 20.03.2008 at 02:36 [UT] »Isn't the last degree of Pisces a "bad" degree?

If so, things never boded well for this war...

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« Reply #4 - on: 20.03.2008 at 02:52 [UT] »transiting G is coming into conjunction with n. E and then later, will conjunct n. N. Signs of getting worse
before it gets better? I tend to see N as the potential for healing and catharsis, but not without a lot of tears
shed.
good grief, is there any good news here?
and vertex, yeah, A the 29th degree of l... in the 12th house?? does it get much more grim than that?
if this were a person's chart, I'd be so depressed right now....
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« Reply #5 - on: 20.03.2008 at 03:01 [UT] »i'm thinking if the military listened to their astrologers they might have started a day or two later.
that moon seems to be void of course,,,of course~!*JnG looks like a big part of the war energy,,,fitting since that was also the backdrop for 911,,,the supposed
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tracking the GJ cycle,,,it does a third quarter square in mid november of 2009 that looks like it might be theSTART of real self government in iraq, with a lot of inner divisions to still work out.
i think when GJ conjoin in 2020 at 23º j we'll be seeing what could be called GOOD government to theextent just a normal police force will do.

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« Reply #6 - on: 20.03.2008 at 03:14 [UT] »hi, behobo! you bring up a good point; perhaps this war will not "end", so much as morph into something else,
like the long-term take-over of Japan after WWII. GJ functions as the time-keeper there, you're right!

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« Reply #7 - on: 20.03.2008 at 04:08 [UT] »Hi Rhet...
I wish I saw it different..... but heres my reasons.... not.
Saturn in the 2nd house... in Gemini (to me) = = =2nd house = Our national resources.... the house of our "economic ability to prosper". In Gemini, several
resources are involved.... financial institutions (in the house of our personal money), oil.... our resources to arm
the war with weapons.... and our most precious resource of both sexes...(gemini) our young men and women
who go to war.
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Gender:Saturn sitting in 2nd house == severe restriction. We are at our limit... prosperity is at its limit... we are close
to being drained.
We know the economic upheaval.... the loss of the dollar against other currencies... wall street chaos... therupture in the housing market, gas prices, spiraling energy costs. We have no oil.... its all imported. We know
the war budget is close to a billion dollars a month to arm our young people... and maintain our present status.
Pluto in the 8th..... in Sagittarius (to me) ===8th house = Others national resources. In Sagittarius.... far away lands and different culture, different
philosophy, different religion.... different laws run those lands.
Pluto sitting in the 8th house == power struggles. For oil..... for religious ideology ... for philosophicaldifferences..... along with, our young troops face a legal system they cannot easily extradite themselves from ifcaptured.
Saturn opposite Pluto (to me) === We (2nd house) will remain locked in a political (saturn) power struggle(Pluto and war) ... under the "auspices" of bringing democracy to an oppressed people....and ridding the worldof a despotic rule in a foreign land (Sagittarius).... and for control of their resources, their massive......... OilFields.

Mars and Chiron in the 9th house in Capricorn.... reaffirm it for me...... Both sides continue to wage war....
and continued terrorists attacks.... in the name of religion (9th).... and the right to "bring structure to the land
. (Capricorn) Chiron.... the wounding of people of both side... and the wounding of nations. Woundedphilosophies that "power" is the soultion.... that need healing
Neptune at the apex.... in Aquarius.... the "masses" (Neptune) view this is a fight to the death, for theindependence (Aquarius) of an entire people. Both sides .. our side one way..... the other side to remain
independent of western influence in their land. (Neptune sextile Pluto).
I think both sides will wage continued war.
But if there is any hope..... it would have to be Jupiter in the 4th..... opposite Neptune. The 4th would equal
the "home" or homeland.......... the people may be the key .... with enough protest against the continued
war..... to be the critical factor.... that ensures our new President listens. Not for a moment do I believe any
one but the Republican...... Senator McCain..... who says he will keep us there a 100 years if necessary.
Obama and Hillary may campaign one way.... but doing it.... is another.

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« Reply #8 - on: 21.03.2008 at 13:44 [UT] »I'm one of the few people in the world (though not the only) who believes America's ascendant to be inconstellation Ophiuchus, the serpent bearer seen to wrestle with the sting of fate. I remember reading that inmythology, this "wrestling" lasts forever, it never ends for Ophiuchus represents attitudes of wounding andhealing, of course the "sting" of the Scorpion can never truly be healed. The chart for the Iraq war actually has
Pluto in constellation Ophiuchus showing that this was a period of very intense "wrestling", Ophiuchus is also
termed "The father of many nations" for its nature to be drawn towards liberating others from their fate.
The character of Ophiuchus leads to conflicts which are eternal by their very nature of being hostile tofate/death. More can be read on Ophiuchus here:
http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/Ophiuchus.html
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« Reply #9 - on: 21.03.2008 at 18:58 [UT] »Knoxy, this is very interesting and I will take a look at the URL you sent.
I think that this might very well be what America wrestles with; if you remember, the very first image/metaphor used on a flag toillustrate the repercussions of allowing the British Crown to divide the states was the divided snake, so perhaps your imagery goesmuch deeper into the American subconscious than even we could possibly understand.

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« Reply #10 - on: 22.03.2008 at 16:33 [UT] »I think this war will end based not on any astrological interpretations I'm looking at but because in the not too
distant future oil will be superceded as our main fuel source. When oil becomes too expensive, we'll be using
alternatives.
That, combined with the US's unfortunate level of debt (?6 trillion $) seems to indicate that long term there
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will be no advantage to the US to be there.

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« Reply #11 - on: 22.03.2008 at 16:41 [UT] »Quote from rhetorike on 21.03.2008 at 18:58 [UT]:Knoxy, this is very interesting and I will take a look at the URL you sent.
I think that this might very well be what America wrestles with; if you remember, the very first image/metaphor used
on a flag to illustrate the repercussions of allowing the British Crown to divide the states was the divided snake, soperhaps your imagery goes much deeper into the American subconscious than even we could possibly understand.

Thats is VERY interesting, I honestly had no idea that a snake was ever used on an American flag. Is this theflag you mean?:
http://www.usflag.org/history/gadsden.html
That a snake was used as an American emblem long before the revolution and the vote for independence, tome is further evidence in favor of Ophiuchus as America's ascendant, since Ophiuchus is precisely depicted in
the skies as brandishing a snake. The quote regarding the struggle with fate which lasts forever is from
Manilius' "Astromica", quoted from Winshop:
Quote:
One called Ophiuchus holds apart the serpent which with its mighty spirals [gyris] and twisted body encircles his own, that so he may untie
its knots and back that winds in loops. But, bending its supple neck, the serpent looks back and returns; and the other's hands slide overthe loosened coils. The struggle will last for ever, since they wage it on level terms with equal powers. (Manilius, book 1, Astronomica 1stcentury AD. p.31).

For me this describes almost exactly America since Iraq, and I see from the US flag website that the "1st Navy"
Jack" flag showing a rattlesnake is again being used by the US Navy sine the war on terror. This would appear
to be the influence of Pluto in Ophiuchus, crossing the US ascendant. I should mention the chart I use withOphiuchus rising is from the July 2nd vote for independence, which also features the BmJ. I think the natureof the Moon-Pluto conjunction and Ophiuchus is described on the US flag website showing the divided snake:
Quote:To remind the delegates of the danger of disunity, the serpent was shown cut to pieces. Each segment is marked with the name of acolony, and the motto "Join or Die" below.

Looking at the mythology of Ophiuchus, he is stung when he tries to crush the Scorpion sent by the Gods. TheScorpion is of course synonymous with Pluto and I think with the BmJ and Ophiuchus rising the American
ideology can often be likened to a fear of being crushed, especially since 9/11 when Pluto was in Ophiuchus.
I've read that another emblem for Ophiuchus is the "third eye" similar to the one shown on the US Dollar bill.
Very Interesting!
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Re: Will this war ever end?
« Reply #12 - on: 22.03.2008 at 18:00 [UT] »wow, that IS very interesting, Knoxy! I find that symbols are amazing indicators of subconscious forces that wecan't otherwise make much sense of. That we choose animals to represent us, or represent our emotions, is themost interesting part of this, in a way.
another thing I've noticed that may tie into what you're saying is that transiting J is coming up on a natal
return in America's chart, in j, and I can't help but see that as significant. It will be exact in approximately 1215 years; can't remember--I was looking this up the other night, and my brain is a sieve these days.
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