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Krista ShippMember

RE: Psychopaths« on: 25.06.2013 at 16:39 [UT+1] »Many of you may not have come across this..
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http://darkstarastrology.com/psychopath-astrology/
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #1 - on: 25.06.2013 at 18:09 [UT+1] »Thanks for posting the link, Krista.
It's truly a fascinating subject. The only thing that left me a bit unnerved is that, by reading the article, I
found out that I have a few of the psycho aspects.
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Gender:I wonder if there's some kind of a trigger to the natal promise as I don't think I'm heading toward that path -besides, I'm a middle aged woman...
I do have an interest in true crime stories, serial killers and mysteries in general.

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Ex Member« Reply #2 - on: 25.06.2013 at 20:03 [UT+1] »There have been a number of threads on the subject here in the Astrodienst Forum which I would encourage
anyone interested to search. The darkstar article speaks in generalities and contains some mis-information. I'dsay anyone searching for astrological indications for any mental health issue should take special care to examine
charts for those same indications in people who do not have mental health issues before they jump toconclusions. I don't know about elsewhere but in California a diagnosis of psychopathy or psychopathic
personality is made almost exclusively by a team of forensic psychiatrists (often with a background in
neurology).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
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etherea

Member« Reply #3 - on: 25.06.2013 at 20:23 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 25.06.2013 at 16:39 [UT+1]:
Many of you may not have come across this..
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http://darkstarastrology.com/psychopath-astrology/

K

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That is an awesome synchronicity, as I was reading that yesterday, too.
I think probably that many of us have some of those placements, but don't express our lives as a psychopath.
I do recall hearing a professor who had just written a book on it, talking on the radio, saying that most of us
do bear a few psychopathic traits, but it is when those traits go beyond a certain point that we get a real
psycho. He had a questionnaire of 20 (if I remember correctly) questions, and anything under 7 of thosequestions answered affirmatively was bog-standard, whereas 13 and over answered affirmatively was the "ding,
ding, ding" kind of area.
I have come across a few psychos in my time but so far, no serial-killer-types. Not to my knowledge anyway,
but I suppose it isn't revealed until the last moment.
I found some of the aspects she mentions (the benign trines, for example, sun trine uranus) to be surprising,but the fixed stars more predictable. In any event, it takes a whole chart to show this up, I suppose.
The guy who went berserk at a movie-house wearing an orange wig, last year - for example, he had anunaspected Neptune which grabbed my attention. Darkstar say an unaspected Sun is a contender, from charts
Marina has examined.
Interesting area.
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Member« Reply #4 - on: 25.06.2013 at 21:07 [UT+1] »I found this some years ago when investigating a woman who harrassed me because she felt I "stole her man"and then perpetuated several actions of vandalism, phone harrassment and even threatening my mother overthis guy. I handed him over willingly to her, but he came back in spades.
She was in jail by then.
She couldn't accept the reality that the man I was with just didn't want to be with her. But she did everything

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possible in her mind to ignore the truth and attempted to convince others that I was somehow the problem. I
told him to get lost readily - as I see it, garbage attracts garbage. But that didn't stop her because she knew hestill sought me out. Restraining orders, Random threatening calls at mid morning from her, "I know he's withyou!" - even though he was long out of my life.
Plutonic pathology with a Neptunian chaser.
So sad, but nonetheless disturbing.
She suffered from a sad Sun-Neptune-Moon Conjunction trine Mars Uranus Conjunction and Moon Saturn
Conjunction. She was a Kindergrarten teacher, a volunteer at a Food Bank and she opted to volunteer her time
to destroying me, which landed her in jail for 3 months and the Psych ward for 12.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy"While no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis of "psychopathy" itself,
assessments of psychopathy characteristics are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations and may
have important consequences for individuals.[4] "What is evidenced here is nothing more than Neptune and Pluto gone wild in a human psyche - weak Saturn isusually always evidenced, as well as a strong Sun.

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Nassos Ladas

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #5 - on: 25.06.2013 at 22:56 [UT+1] »I think it would be difficult to find a psychopath with a strongly placed moon for example in cancer or scorpio
the same for the other emotional planets(although they are generational).Psychopathy's main trait is lack of
empathy.How could someone predict lack of empathy from achart?Maybe the water planets badly placed, orsome hard pluto aspects especially pluto mars
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #6 - on: 26.06.2013 at 13:33 [UT+1] »Quote from Nassos Ladas on 25.06.2013 at 22:56 [UT+1]:
I think it would be difficult to find a psychopath with a strongly placed moon for example in cancer or scorpio the same for the otheremotional planets(although they are generational).Psychopathy's main trait is lack of empathy.How could someone predict lack of
empathy from achart?Maybe the water planets badly placed, or some hard pluto aspects especially pluto mars

That is a good point. Given that the current estimate is that one in twenty people is a psychopath, whatever
the significators are in a chart will be fairly common.

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Ian Brady is in the UK free press this morning, quoted as saying that the victim has value for the killer, because
the killer gets something out of doing the killing of that particular individual. When asked what he got out ofkilling children in the 1950s, he said he did it for 'the existential experience'.
So, with children being his targets, and as he did the killing with a female accomplice (Myra Hindley), I would
hazard a guess that, in his particular chart:
the Moon is involved (children and a woman);the second house (he 'valued' the victims);
Pluto (he killed and hid/buried the bodies); andSaturn (he withheld the information from one victim's parents about the location of the body, over decades).
As the killers on that spree were two in number, possibly Gemini involvement.
I am sure that there are many, many indicators, in the same way there are many, many psychopaths. If only itwere easy to spot.

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PhoenixNoodleSoup

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #7 - on: 26.06.2013 at 14:00 [UT+1] »Quote from etherea on 26.06.2013 at 13:33 [UT+1]:
That is a good point. Given that the current estimate is that one in twenty people is a psychopath,whatever the significators are in a chart will be fairly common.

This is not correct, the current statistical estimate is less than 1% (less than one in 100) in the general

population.
Usually lay sources giving this one in twenty estimate fail to note that it was in a study of a certain group -I
think in this case, business executives (one in twenty to one in twenty-five). As you might imagine thestatistical estimate of occurance in a prison population is higher still. (Read Martha Stout PhD)
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/statistics/1Antisocial.shtml
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #8 - on: 26.06.2013 at 14:18 [UT+1] »Not all sociopaths kill. If you´re smart enough you get what you want by verbal means, and using the others
sympathy to get there. Manipulating.
I have heard the rate being somewhat of 4%.
A male sociopathic BF/GF would end making love with your child, friend f.ex. Snake charmers.
I like this article. Says a lot of my I on DC.

http://psychopathfree.com/content.php?148-Sympathy-for-the-Devil
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #9 - on: 26.06.2013 at 14:19 [UT+1] »Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 26.06.2013 at 14:00 [UT+1]:
Quote from etherea on 26.06.2013 at 13:33 [UT+1]:
That is a good point. Given that the current estimate is that one in twenty people is a

psychopath, whatever the significators are in a chart will be fairly common.

This is not correct, the current statistical estimate is less than 1% (less than one in 100) in the general population.
Usually lay sources giving this one in twenty estimate fail to note that it was in a study of a certain group -I think in this case, business

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executives (one in twenty to one in twenty-five). As you might imagine the statistical estimate of occurance in a prison population ishigher still. (Read Martha Stout PhD)
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/statistics/1Antisocial.shtml
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That is interesting, but I have heard the 'one in 20" from several different sources now, including the professor
I mentioned above, so obviously, there is a discrepancy in opinions. I suppose we will never know definitively,
as that kind of person never advertises their nature - if even they are aware of it themselves.
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #10 - on: 26.06.2013 at 14:21 [UT+1] »Quote from Nassos Ladas on 25.06.2013 at 22:56 [UT+1]:
I think it would be difficult to find a psychopath with a strongly placed moon for example in cancer or scorpio the same for the otheremotional planets(although they are generational).Psychopathy's main trait is lack of empathy.How could someone predict lack of
empathy from achart?Maybe the water planets badly placed, or some hard pluto aspects especially pluto mars

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Gender:I know one with B 0h, I 2h (not sure if that means it is badly placed

BpA at 0 l, MC at 28 k
J 29e nAsorry I can't post the chart for you to look at - unfortunately it is still at large

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #11 - on: 26.06.2013 at 14:26 [UT+1] »Funny how all revolves around, money, sex and power...J... and "killing" -the body or soul. It sounds quitesatanic..iiks. Maybe a weak G, too? Using others to provide you what you should "earn" by yourself.
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Catsratz
Ex Member« Reply #12 - on: 26.06.2013 at 14:43 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 25.06.2013 at 16:39 [UT+1]:
Many of you may not have come across this..
I had to reprint~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://darkstarastrology.com/psychopath-astrology/

K

Thanks, Krista, that was really interesting and easy to read (my eyes glaze with too much reading off the screen
and I don't have a printer).
I got interested in psychopathy in the 80s from all of my True Crime reading. Recently I read that the one
thing they have in common is No Fear even when they know for sure that physical pain may be, or is even
known to be, coming up soon.
Psychopathic traits
Parasitic lifestyle, no remorse, no empathy, constantly blaming others for their misfortune, over the top
emotional reactions out of proportion to the event, blowing hot and cold, constant lying, crying wolf,
abnormally high or low sex drive, thinking the world owes them a living, delusions of grandeur, “poor-me”
syndrome, fantastically charming, the use of “love bombing” and flattery, manipulative techniques, chameleon like ability to be what ever you want them to be, fake vulnerability, ability to remember small details from thepast and then use them against you to get their own way, short attention span, easily bored, feed on emotional
dramasThis IS Lee Harvey Oswald. And, mother Marguerite. Both older brothers seem normal and maybe even "niceguys" after receiving even worse treatment at her hands. In fact she seemed to dislike them both and doted
only on Lee, even though he and Robert were full brothers and she loved their father, who died of a heart
attack shortly before Lee's birth.
Also describes a few people I was unfortunate enough to get to know...
I can't interpret charts, but I posted one for both he & momster in the Mundane and political Astrology threadabout a month ago titled Lee Harvey Oswald.
A few people gave insights although I could find the birth time for neither.
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Catsratz

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #13 - on: 26.06.2013 at 14:56 [UT+1] »Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 26.06.2013 at 14:00 [UT+1]:
the current statistical estimate is less than 1% (less than one in 100) in the general population.
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I've read that it's 1% of females and 4% of males. Seems accurate. But for my own estimation, the females
would come out even higher.
Much higher, if included in the assessment was the prevalent, negative, anti-social traits like gossip, falseness,lack of loyalty, routine "white" lies, etc., that so many of us seem to possess. Traits I find so often in other
women that seem designed to cut others down, and mostly other females, at that.
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Ex Member« Reply #14 - on: 26.06.2013 at 18:22 [UT+1] »Quote from Catsratz on 26.06.2013 at 14:56 [UT+1]:
Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 26.06.2013 at 14:00 [UT+1]:
the current statistical estimate is less than 1% (less than one in 100) in the general population.
PNS

I've read that it's 1% of females and 4% of males. Seems accurate. But for my own estimation, the females would come out even higher.
Much higher, if included in the assessment was the prevalent, negative, anti-social traits like gossip, falseness, lack of loyalty, routine"white" lies, etc., that so many of us seem to possess. Traits I find so often in other women that seem designed to cut others down, andmostly other females, at that.

Hi Catratz,
If you might note on the page I gave under Demographics (for lifetime prevalence)"There was a statistical trend for men to be more likely to have antisocial personality disorder than women"
The finding you note is actually .2 of the 1% are females and .8 of the 1% are males (within the general
population)
Since these statistics represent surveys from all available sources for the National Institute for Mental Health,this statistic is not published because it is in dispute.
Reasons for disputes are: 1 - research reflects much larger male prison populations than female prison
populations (where much of this research takes place)and 2 - unreliability of research that has demonstrable gender bias in the testing formats.
So you may be on to something there
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How might we compare the psychopathic traits given by Marina
to the definition of Antisocial Personality Disorder given by the National Institute of Mental HealthThis is an area with vast amounts of statistical information and birth data available via birth certificates
I wonder if anyone has....
....Nah, who would bother?

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #15 - on: 26.06.2013 at 18:59 [UT+1] »more male psycho's than females? I would believe its the reverse.
http://sparkster.hubpages.com/hub/The-Female-Abuser
http://sparkster.hubpages.com/hub/Paternity-Fraud-The-Perfect-Crime
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There are alot of pages relating to psychopathy (narcissism) and it is a learnt trait in most cases.
http://sparkster.hubpages.com/hub/Inside-The-Mind-Of-A-Narcissist-NPD-Narcissist icPersonality-Disorder

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #16 - on: 26.06.2013 at 23:55 [UT+1] »MRI scan huh... I should go there and take my friend with me, not that I think I'm a psycho though I got a lotof stuff like that in my chart.. JGA in h, all the good ones, and jB squaring Pluto...

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Gender:Can't deny I wouldn't have a darker side you'd call it, but it's not like I'd want to hurt people. I dont getanything out of it, I've done it (very few times, was provoked), and got just an empty feeling out of it, no
adrenaline rush. But I do get adrenaline rush when you put me to a pinch, I think it's a Scorpio thing, we liketo be pressed and the underdog fighting, not the overdog. And to fight for the underdogs, that's a good thing
too, something I like. Not for those who need help necessarily but if someone's in a real pinch, like no escapeand unfair situation... that gets me fired up. I dont think that's what would get a psycho fired up though,because they shouldn't care about abstract things like sense of justice.
But I just say something you all probably know... scorpios are capable of baaaad things. They just aren't
triggered the fire-element way.
I wouldn't honestly give anyone this label, not even murderers and Hitler, if I didn't meet the psychopaths
who've been verified by MRI scan first, because I dont trust just labeling when it comes to saying people areborn bad. Selective trusting.
One thing I've wondered, is if Orcus had anything to do with it. There's not much at all from it's astrologicalperspective I've found on the web, just that it may have something to do with how we keep our word and thatit's like Pluto. It's in my and my friend's ascendant, and being true to things has been a core issue in our lives.
Maybe something to do with Orcus gone bad (letting your Orcus deteriorate).
Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 26.06.2013 at 18:22 [UT+1]:
How might we compare the psychopathic traits given by Marina
to the definition of Antisocial Personality Disorder given by the National Institute of Mental HealthThis is an area with vast amounts of statistical information and birth data available via birth certificates
I wonder if anyone has.... ....Nah, who would bother?

It'd be good if you could see who of them has had an MRI scan done to them. Non-psychopaths are just as
capable for making other peoples' lives a living hell I think, it really doesn't take much and ain't always easy to
get back on the straight way. If you just want to study the behavior and the choises they made, that's anotherthing.
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #17 - on: 27.06.2013 at 01:32 [UT+1] »Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 26.06.2013 at 18:22 [UT+1]:
Quote from Catsratz on 26.06.2013 at 14:56 [UT+1]:
Quote from PhoenixNoodleSoup on 26.06.2013 at 14:00 [UT+1]:
the current statistical estimate is less than 1% (less than one in 100) in the general population.
PNS

I've read that it's 1% of females and 4% of males. Seems accurate. But for my own estimation, the females would comeout even higher.
Much higher, if included in the assessment was the prevalent, negative, anti-social traits like gossip, falseness, lack ofloyalty, routine "white" lies, etc., that so many of us seem to possess. Traits I find so often in other women that seem
designed to cut others down, and mostly other females, at that.

Hi Catratz,
If you might note on the page I gave under Demographics (for lifetime prevalence)"There was a statistical trend for men to be more likely to have antisocial personality disorder than women"
The finding you note is actually .2 of the 1% are females and .8 of the 1% are males (within the general population)
Since these statistics represent surveys from all available sources for the National Institute for Mental Health, this statistic is not publishedbecause it is in dispute.
Reasons for disputes are: 1 - research reflects much larger male prison populations than female prison populations (where much of thisresearch takes place)and 2 - unreliability of research that has demonstrable gender bias in the testing formats.
So you may be on to something there
PNS
How might we compare the psychopathic traits given by Marina
to the definition of Antisocial Personality Disorder given by the National Institute of Mental HealthThis is an area with vast amounts of statistical information and birth data available via birth certificates
I wonder if anyone has.... ....Nah, who would bother?

Thanks for the heads-up! I got interested in psychos because my main form of reading was True Crime formany years. Also, too many messed-up neighbors, etc., through the course of the years. Still enjoy thesebooks, just haven't come across many lately as I can't get to the library to look the new books over.
I am dying to read what's behind the 'Batman' loon and the "autistic" kid who killed the grade-schoolers,should someone write a book. Books would be extra good with natal charts. To my untrained eye, some ofthem look awful, all those red, jagged spikes and even though I can't tell what's really in them they visuallyinterest me now.
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #18 - on: 27.06.2013 at 12:03 [UT+1] »Quote from Catsratz on 26.06.2013 at 14:43 [UT+1]:
Quote from Krista Shipp on 25.06.2013 at 16:39 [UT+1]:
Many of you may not have come across this..
I had to reprint

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http://darkstarastrology.com/psychopath-astrology/

K

Thanks, Krista, that was really interesting and easy to read (my eyes glaze with too much reading off the screen and I don't have aprinter).
I got interested in psychopathy in the 80s from all of my True Crime reading. Recently I read that the one thing they have in common is
No Fear even when they know for sure that physical pain may be, or is even known to be, coming up soon.
Psychopathic traits
Parasitic lifestyle, no remorse, no empathy, constantly blaming others for their misfortune, over the top emotional reactions out of
proportion to the event, blowing hot and cold, constant lying, crying wolf, abnormally high or low sex drive, thinking the world owes thema living, delusions of grandeur, “poor-me” syndrome, fantastically charming, the use of “love bombing” and flattery, manipulativetechniques, chameleon -like ability to be what ever you want them to be, fake vulnerability, ability to remember small details from thepast and then use them against you to get their own way, short attention span, easily bored, feed on emotional dramas
This IS Lee Harvey Oswald. And, mother Marguerite. Both older brothers seem normal and maybe even "nice guys" after receiving evenworse treatment at her hands. In fact she seemed to dislike them both and doted only on Lee, even though he and Robert were fullbrothers and she loved their father, who died of a heart attack shortly before Lee's birth.
Also describes a few people I was unfortunate enough to get to know...
I can't interpret charts, but I posted one for both he & momster in the Mundane and political Astrology thread about a month ago titled
Lee Harvey Oswald.
A few people gave insights although I could find the birth time for neither.

My mother was a psychopath, NO EXAGGERATION! Most of the traits above describe her exactly.

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #19 - on: 27.06.2013 at 12:09 [UT+1] »Quote from etherea on 26.06.2013 at 13:33 [UT+1]:
Quote from Nassos Ladas on 25.06.2013 at 22:56 [UT+1]:
I think it would be difficult to find a psychopath with a strongly placed moon for example in cancer or scorpio the same forthe other emotional planets(although they are generational).Psychopathy's main trait is lack of empathy.How could
someone predict lack of empathy from achart?Maybe the water planets badly placed, or some hard pluto aspects especially

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Gender:pluto mars

That is a good point. Given that the current estimate is that one in twenty people is a psychopath, whatever the significators are in a chart
will be fairly common.
Ian Brady is in the UK free press this morning, quoted as saying that the victim has value for the killer, because the killer gets somethingout of doing the killing of that particular individual. When asked what he got out of killing children in the 1950s, he said he did it for 'theexistential experience'.
So, with children being his targets, and as he did the killing with a female accomplice (Myra Hindley), I would hazard a guess that, in his
particular chart:
the Moon is involved (children and a woman);the second house (he 'valued' the victims);
Pluto (he killed and hid/buried the bodies); andSaturn (he withheld the information from one victim's parents about the location of the body, over decades).
As the killers on that spree were two in number, possibly Gemini involvement.
I am sure that there are many, many indicators, in the same way there are many, many psychopaths. If only it were easy to spot.

Thanks for giving that quote from Ian Brady. Even though my mother wasn't a murderer, I understand her a
lot better from what Ian Brady said about needing victims. That's why my mother blackmailed my father into
not leaving her. She didn't love him, but she needed him as a victim, as she needed me as her victim.
This will sound strange, but the one thing that I could have done for my father was to run away from home,when I was a young child. That would have freed my father to leave my mother, and my mother would nolonger have any victims. She positively HATED her own company. Without causing pain and suffering to her
victims she had nothing to live for.
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #20 - on: 27.06.2013 at 12:13 [UT+1] »Another thing though: I think that with psychopaths, it is an absence that makes them the way they are. So
wherever their Moon is, is not so much the issue but that they are disconnected from their Moon, that makes
them the way they are.

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #21 - on: 27.06.2013 at 14:44 [UT+1] »Psychopathic traits
Parasitic lifestyle, no remorse, no empathy, constantly blaming others for their misfortune, over the top
emotional reactions out of proportion to the event, blowing hot and cold, constant lying, crying wolf,
abnormally high or low sex drive, thinking the world owes them a living, delusions of grandeur, “poor-me”
syndrome, fantastically charming, the use of “love bombing” and flattery, manipulative techniques, chameleon like ability to be what ever you want them to be, fake vulnerability, ability to remember small details from thepast and then use them against you to get their own way, short attention span, easily bored, feed on emotional
dramas"My mother was a psychopath, NO EXAGGERATION! Most of the traits above describe her exactly."
Same here, Ariel. It happens. I could add to the list that that most, if not ALL, psychopaths/sociopaths("socialized psychopaths") are also major narcissists.
In fact I was considering posting my mother's chart to ask what made her so much of a narcissist. But with notknowing her time of birth it would probably get very few replies.
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Ariel1
Member« Reply #22 - on: 01.07.2013 at 13:11 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 25.06.2013 at 16:39 [UT+1]:
Many of you may not have come across this..
I had to reprint

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http://darkstarastrology.com/psychopath-astrology/

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What I'd like to know is, is a psycopath able to change and turn into a decent empathetic human being?
I find it depressing that there are people who are evil, and yet can't change into being a better human being.
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #23 - on: 01.07.2013 at 13:51 [UT+1] »I work with one.
She looks fantastic, very charming (people get taken in by it all the time), fun, etc. but at the core (and you
don't have to dig for more than five seconds) she is pure evil. Calculating, manipulative and notably
narcissistic, too.
I deduce from observation of her that at least part of it is a total lack of self-knowledge, and an unwillingness
to look.
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She has told me that she never lets herself get down about anything, even when she caught a lifelong std fromsomeone she was plundering for £5k per night.
The only time I have ever seen her at all non-plussed and visibly uncomfortable was when she failed to extort
money.
Her Saturn Return (quincunxes her Sun which if I remember correctly, conjuncts Castor) is due to commence
shortly, and I wonder how this will change her (if at all). I suspect she is actually incapable of empathy foranyone other than herself.

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #24 - on: 01.07.2013 at 14:46 [UT+1] »Quote from bibbe on 26.06.2013 at 14:18 [UT+1]:
Not all sociopaths kill. If you´re smart enough you get what you want by verbal means, and using the others sympathy to get there.
Manipulating.
I have heard the rate being somewhat of 4%.
A male sociopathic BF/GF would end making love with your child, friend f.ex. Snake charmers.
I like this article. Says a lot of my

I on DC.

http://psychopathfree.com/content.php?148-Sympathy-for-the-Devil

Join the club Bibbe, With three marriages behind me my rescuing days are over and my boundaries are
now VERY clear. IFg 7th
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #25 - on: 01.07.2013 at 15:34 [UT+1] »Quote from sewit on 01.07.2013 at 14:46 [UT+1]:
Quote from bibbe on 26.06.2013 at 14:18 [UT+1]:
Not all sociopaths kill. If you´re smart enough you get what you want by verbal means, and using the others sympathy to
get there. Manipulating.
I have heard the rate being somewhat of 4%.

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A male sociopathic BF/GF would end making love with your child, friend f.ex. Snake charmers.
I like this article. Says a lot of my

I on DC.

http://psychopathfree.com/content.php?148-Sympathy-for-the-Devil

Join the club Bibbe, With three marriages behind me my rescuing days are over and my boundaries are now VERY clear.

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Me too. I once did a study of the higher percentage of male Psychopaths vs female and the 'odds' statically indating. Very depressing.

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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #26 - on: 06.07.2013 at 16:33 [UT+1] »My experience & opinions, not often talked about...
Accessing the chart of a new born baby confirms the pristine state of being, prior to any abuse or weakening of
the energy field which is what allows the lower vibrations to penetrate and cause degrees of psychopathy,etc. I
remember a pre -verbal state of being; it was pleasant.Later on, say age 5 or 6, i remember being accessed bypsychopaths or psychopathic energies during bedtime & sleep;through dreams & subtle impressions. Of course i
had no real understanding at the time of what was occurring and no-one around to talk with to offer guidance;ipieced it all together fairly recently.
One theme or conversation i remember from that time consisted of the killing or weakening of the populace
which of course is simple;poison the water - the answer came soon after the question;i even thought that igave the answer at the time & it stayed in my mind for some time.
The disturbing dreams of sadistic sexual & physical abuse- again from that same period,were actually happening& being used to influence & corrupt innocence globally.It seems so obvious now!
In 95 i met a woman who would later on be my partner;she had suffered sexual abuse & insisted on notpushing it away but instead talking about it & raising awareness of it's common occurrence & effects.She hadheard first hand from a friend about her experiences of ritualistic sexual abuse & was in no doubt that it was
being used satanically to destroy & erode innocence.
Once weakened we are all more open to manipulations & distortions of character;if it's not coming through us itwill come from or through some one else.I have been used myself many times.
I have been looking at ways of healing for quite some time;a quest for some kind of normality in a insane world
run by psychopaths.I was told i could improve the function of chakras,do affirmations and it would make adifference but it has only been through increased soul connection that anything is changing for me now.
I can feel as i write a low or dark energy that does not want me to post this message,so something still has it's
tentacles attached but i can be aware of it in it's weakening state.
Liz Greene's book THE DARK OF THE SOUL was an informative read on the subject but distilling all that
information into some kind of plan is quite tricky to say the least given that this evasive energy is quite literally
in the air and of this earth,but still discernible and able to be separated out simply by awareness of it as being
not me,not you, not us.A shadow that feeds on the creation of fear,a shadow that is fear itself and when
encountered as it is daily from where i'm at is terrified of light.
The energy signature is dirty & unpleasant & corrupts by it's very being - unmistakeable by it's ability to turnthe mind negative & away from love our natural being.
I do believe the theory that our freewill is being hijacked but this is dependent on our level of individuation. I
have a soul connection but at the time of writing that psychopath is within me & it takes a lot of effort tochange that.
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Re: Psychopaths« Reply #27 - on: 06.07.2013 at 17:33 [UT+1] »I have observed psychopats for quite a while (I bump into them regularly) because I am massively interested infinding potential feelings in them from time to time. One thing I certainly cannot understand is the way they

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Gender:relate to their children. When being a parent, a psychopath (I prefer to use the word sociopath) is not a
psychopath. I find it is simply because a person identifies himself/herself as their kids. (Which means: as longas they are responsible for their kids, they consider the kids themselves = they do care about them.) It is adifferent story, though, that it's just impossible not to hurt them eventually. In the end, it is love you cannot
calculate.

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