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DanaeEx Member

Getting away with murder« on: 02.05.2013 at 13:42 [UT+1] »(not sure if it belongs here)
What kind of placements and aspects do you think can make someone get away with doing questionable acts?
I would say a strong I because it hides everything and everyone and of course the 12th house.
However, the 8th could be involved.
I guess E should also get in the mix.
Maybe there could be an afflicted G "not taking any responsibility for what I've done" but I think it would haveto work with the I.
What do you guys all think?
I heard that the angel of "death" (josef mangels) in the concentration camps managed to get away like manyother nazis actually. He got away a lot of times!!
He's got all these placements 8th, Neptune in 1st, he is himself a Al and has Ek in the 8th.
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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #1 - on: 02.05.2013 at 14:35 [UT+1] »Jupiter is the planet I would normally look at for people who get away with murder. Denis Nilson for example,
had Jupiter rising in his chart, so did Reginald Christie. Grisly tales in both cases.
And it does not have to be about afflictions. I note that Mengele had what traditional astrologers might praiseto the skies as being a lovely Grand Trine in Water involvng his Jupiter to Moon and that Mars Uranusconjunction.
But he has Neptune rising ruling his Sun, and it has seemed to me before you can get some very cold fish withPosts: 1847a certain kind of Neptunian type. He simply managed not to remember that on levels, so it is said, we share acommon humanity so much sothat if I hurt one I hurt myself.
He has a Sun square Pluto and reports tell of how he seemed to soak up the power of his position and theability to deal out life or death.
The wilful escitable Mars/Uranus is in a t-square with Saturn and Neptune.
But reverse it - and would you have known this was Mengele? I wonder what his midpoints and harminic
pictures would reveal.
On the face of it, you would not normally imagine this to be the chart of a cruel person, though those Mars
aspects might suggest a cruel streak, or at least a nasty temper, somewhere in what otherwise might seem tobe a gentle, empathetic temperament (Pisces, Libra, Cancer). If this were my boss and I had somehow got tosee the chart before meeting him, I might be cynical enough to divine a few more red flags: Neptune is about
deception and an elastic approach to ethics too, so I might wonder if this guy was not two-faced or deceitful insome way, or lacking in empathy rather than having too much (cold fish, remember, or passive/aggressive (lookat the Libra Moon in connection with that Mars and Pisces/Cancer!).
Finally, the Sun/Pluto ordinarily often may have a bit of a power/control issue somewhere, and I might
conclude that with htis type I might wish to watch my back.
And getting away with it? - perhps again, he had an ability to be all things to all people: Cancer/Neptune rising.
Or more concretely, plnty of help from family and connections (that grand trine again).
But that is still not Mengele.
Hope to see some more contributions here.

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #2 - on: 02.05.2013 at 15:00 [UT+1] »It's not just murder by the way It can be anything: stealing, lying, impersonating someone, forgery, identify
theft, scamming etc..
I'm interested in the aspects that indicate that no one will ever find out and you'll take it to the grave, not thenature of the act in itself.
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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #3 - on: 02.05.2013 at 15:16 [UT+1] »Well I suggested seversl possibolites on what factors in his chsry show sn abilotu to get away with it actually

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #4 - on: 02.05.2013 at 15:24 [UT+1] »Umm, an awful jury?
Well...D is in detriment, looks like it’s in a t-square, in the 11H, so likely ill treatment toward social groups?
I don't know the story behind him[should I, as in he’s was well known?] so I can't expand on this further.
I don't believe that getting away with anything truly happens, it may be temporary but not forever. I think thatthe truth/justice always and should come to light eventually or at least what would feel like karma so that aPosts: 2007
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else in the future. Maybe its just wishful thinking but I don't feel it fair for someone to suffer and another getaway with it. I wouldn't want it for me or another. For this bit, I get it comes down to your personal philosophy
and the court system too if we minus the astrology.
If we know of his acts and are spekaing on it now, did he really get away with anything?

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #5 - on: 02.05.2013 at 15:35 [UT+1] »Quote from nexus7 on 02.05.2013 at 14:35 [UT+1]:...Jupiter is the planet I would normally look at for people who get away with murder...

I completely agree.
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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #6 - on: 02.05.2013 at 15:41 [UT+1] »Quote:
But reverse it - and would you have known this was Mengele? I wonder what his midpoints and harminic pictures would reveal.

Midpoint interpretation three ways for one configuration in his chart:"ME/JU=NE imaginative, fluent orator. To try to dissuade. To speculate. To speak incessantly, not to permit aninterruption.
ME/NE=JU Lucky (fortunate) imagination. To build "castles in the air.".
JU/NE=ME To talk much and coherently. Illusions"Posts: 2007
Gender:I believe Oprah has this grand p in air actually and that woman can annoy me but she's hardly acriminal...maybe guilty of annoyancebut nothing more, I hope.

Btw, F - why? Because of its association with justice?

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #7 - on: 02.05.2013 at 17:22 [UT+1] »Quote from Danae on 02.05.2013 at 15:00 [UT+1]:
It's not just murder by the way It can be anything: stealing, lying, impersonating someone, forgery, identify theft, scamming etc..
I'm interested in the aspects that indicate that no one will ever find out and you'll take it to the grave, not the nature of the act
in itself.

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Gender:To this I'd say Scorpio. Their problem is though, they can be too sincere and might come clean about it tosomeone or not lie, though they too can lie, oh yes... they also might have more tendency to get to these kindof situations and get a lot of practise in keeping secrets.
But I think you must have a strong willl too to keep secrets like that and harden yourself through experience,
it's not just anything in natal chart if you ask me. Or maybe it is, but it's not the only way.

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #8 - on: 02.05.2013 at 17:26 [UT+1] »Quote from Mikko on 02.05.2013 at 17:22 [UT+1]:
Quote from Danae on 02.05.2013 at 15:00 [UT+1]:
It's not just murder by the way It can be anything: stealing, lying, impersonating someone, forgery, identify theft,scamming etc..
I'm interested in the aspects that indicate that no one will ever find out and you'll take it to the grave, not thenature of the act in itself.

To this I'd say Scorpio. Their problem is though, they can be too sincere and might come clean about it to someone or not lie, though they
too can lie, oh yes... they also might have more tendency to get to these kind of situations and get a lot of practise in keeping secrets.
But I think you must have a strong willl too to keep secrets like that and harden yourself through experience,
it's not just anything in natal chart if you ask me. Or maybe it is, but it's not the only way.

True, I didn't see it that way...or I guess feel no guilt whatsoever.
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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #9 - on: 02.05.2013 at 20:48 [UT+1] »Quote from .Bee. on 02.05.2013 at 15:41 [UT+1]:...Btw,

F - why? Because of its association with justice?...

My opinion is that a particular position of Jupiter in the chart will grant the person good fortune and good
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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #10 - on: 03.05.2013 at 01:33 [UT+1] »The person I know of has a tight Mars/Moon/Saturn in Pisces opposite Neptune both square Jupiter.

Venus

inconjunct Pluto; Mercury inconjunct Neptune. Sun square Uranus, b Uranus square d Pluto (1930's chart).
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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #11 - on: 03.05.2013 at 14:56 [UT+1] »Quote from Ricardo on 02.05.2013 at 20:48 [UT+1]:
Quote from .Bee. on 02.05.2013 at 15:41 [UT+1]:...Btw,

F - why? Because of its association with justice?...

My opinion is that a particular position of Jupiter in the chart will grant the person good fortune and good luck, success in his endeavors. If
the person's intellect and morals are corrupted or perverted he/she will do evil, but with success and without consequences.
RicardoRicardo, Thank you
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Gender:I'd actually never thought of it like that but your opinion makes much sense to me.
It makes me think of those who grow up in tough environments and later find that they aren't educated toknow anything else or any other way to be than what they witnessed or were taught by supposed ‘role models’.

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #12 - on: 03.05.2013 at 16:31 [UT+1] »http://www.forrestastrology.com/General-Astrology/the-out-of-bounds-moon
A great article by Steve Forrest.

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Danae

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #13 - on: 03.05.2013 at 16:41 [UT+1] »Thanks star. I've actually read up that article before.
I remember clearly stating at 10 years old, and I've also got an out of bound moon:"If I can't get a job, I'm gonna rob some banks mom.
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Kind of a messed up thing to hear from a 10 year old.

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #14 - on: 03.05.2013 at 17:31 [UT+1] »"If I can't get a job, I'm gonna rob some banks mom." Well, time is ripe, OoJ again like the early 30s during
USA's "Public enemy Era" Oh, hey, Annie Oakley had an OOB Moon according to the article. Maybe you could
put your shooting iron to good use?
My Dad's out of bounds Moon was in j, he was sent to Nazi Germany in the early 30s for a year or two to staywith friends of his Mother. Suffered physical/emotional neglect there, he claimed. (and separation from hisMother traumatic for his dA) He took some chilling things to the grave with him. We'll never know somethings that happened from the 50's through the 70's in his life, only a creepy sensation that there were somethings he never told us. Forrest mentioned this shady quality:" And then there are situations of crimes alleged but not proven, where the truth remains murky. Out ofBounds Moon people are often implicated in all of these kinds of circumstances."
My own Moon OOB in Sag.

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #15 - on: 03.05.2013 at 19:06 [UT+1] »My N Fa H10 m MC

p N Je- H2

NF is also part of mt cardinal T square

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NB (chart ruler) in l- H9- well aspected

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #16 - on: 04.05.2013 at 14:26 [UT+1] »What is an out of bounds moon?

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Re: Getting away with murder« Reply #17 - on: 05.05.2013 at 20:12 [UT+1] »T. Patrick wrote a book on sexual assault. It also analyzes the victims who are murdered and those who survive.
She gives chart examples of serial murderers as well. The Uranus and Mars conjunction is most commonly seen
in serial murderers.
Uranus in Capricorn = creating crisis to gain social status amongst his peers (7th house). Mars in Aquarius =violence in social groups (8th house) to control other people's money, inheritances, etc...
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