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cloverMemberPrenatal Eclipse« on: 29.12.2007 at 21:23 [UT] »I recently purchased Astrology for the Soul by Jan Spiller and Karen McCoy and although I am not done
reading it I have found it fascinating thus far. I decided to make a chart of the exact moment of the eclipses in
the city in which I was about to be born in to. I'm not sure if this is a viable way in which to look at one's

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prenatal eclipses, but I thought it might give me some added information with the house positions andasteroids added.

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The first chart is my Prenatal Solar Eclipse which is apparently indicative of the gifts I have come into this life
with...my little astrological toolbox. The second is my Prenatal Lunar Eclipse which is supposedly what I havedecided to work on.
For anyone who knows about PE's, what would anaretic degrees suggest in a Prenatal Solar? My Mercury andPsyche (as well as asteroid Lust) are all at 29 degrees. If these are technically considered gifts then is the 29th
merely an indication of stuff that I am bringing into the next sign with me? For example, in the Solar my
Mercury is at 29 Taurus and in the Lunar it's at 2 degrees Gemini, conjunct my natal Ascendant. Psyche in the
Lunar is now at 4 degrees Cancer, conjuncting my natal Venus.
Also, my Lunar Vertex is at 0 degrees. Anyone? I'd be really interested to hear what people think of thesecharts.

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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #1 - on: 29.12.2007 at 21:24 [UT] »And my Lunar:

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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #2 - on: 29.12.2007 at 22:08 [UT] »Just thinking that perhaps I placed this topic on the wrong board??

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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #3 - on: 29.12.2007 at 22:18 [UT] »Clover, I am having some difficulty in following your question & reading through the astro-clutter in your chart, but in general I think the pre-natal solar & lunar eclipses are very helpful to use. I'm not such a big fan of
Spiller & McCoy's past-life material, which seems over-the-top to me, but I think the idea that we are on theplanet to learn (or to "remember" in some schools of thought) and to teach makes a lot of sense. Put
differently, we are here to transmit messages, and here to receive messages. Angels all? The eclipses havesome similarities, then, with the north & south nodes in interpretation. mountain
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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #4 - on: 30.12.2007 at 02:13 [UT] »Ah. Sorry for the cluttered charts.
As for the book itself, I have so far found it to be accurate in many respects for myself, but as with all astrology

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Gender:I take it with a grain of salt. After all, it's a guide and so I try to take the stuff that sticks out as being truthfulfor me and use it in a positive way.
I will say that in looking at the Prenatal Solar Eclipse for an ex of mine, I felt that it was not very accurate at all
unless he had somehow taken the "gifts" and polarized them by going to the opposite extreme. Having said
that, I'm not sure any of us can ever truly know what another person is going through so maybe it is true forhim in a way in which I am unaware.

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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #5 - on: 30.12.2007 at 03:06 [UT] »Hi CloverFor me the pre-conception lunar eclipse is what it is all about. This shows the orientation of the parents andhow this will affect the conception energy. In my opinion a soul is then attracted to this energy to manifest a
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The solar and lunar eclipses whilst in the womb are further triggers of development, but not the main draw toincarnation.
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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #6 - on: 30.12.2007 at 03:28 [UT] »I agree we should bring it into our own natal charts to get a better idea of how it affects us on a personal level.

My pre-natal solar eclipse is the degree of my Midheaven, 26 Pisces, which my daughter then was born with agrouping around this degree, Sun and Mercury and Mars conjunct it within a few degrees. She and I bothhave Neptune in the 4th House, but my Neptune as ruler of this 26 Pisces is on my IC of 26 Virgo, Neptune
being 27 Virgo.
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Gender:And so the position of the pre-natal eclipse does have a bearing on our charts in my family on the female side,from my mother, then to me and to my daughter.
in the inheritance parade of like degrees.

Such a pity she had no children.

It feels like a huge gap

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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #7 - on: 30.12.2007 at 03:31 [UT] »Mention of conception reminded me of Michael Lutin's Childhood Rising, about the sign nine months prior toyour birth sun sign being a sign of your natural parentage.
Now I'm inspired to see what mine was; thanks for the input, Ms. McD.

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Angelwings« Reply #8 - on: 31.12.2007 at 00:33 [UT] »Ex MemberClover:I am interested in karmic astrology and work with the prenatal eclipses a great deal. (BTW, hours before mybirth there was a total eclipse of the sun!)
The prenatal eclipses are the ones which occurred closest to your birth time, but before birth. Generally the
PNSE and PNLEs are placed in the natal chart and examined in the traditional way: sign, house, aspects, etc.
I hope this helps....
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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #9 - on: 01.01.2008 at 15:48 [UT] »Quote from Alice McDermott on 30.12.2007 at 03:06 [UT]:Hi CloverFor me the pre-conception lunar eclipse is what it is all about. This shows the orientation of the parents and how this will affect theconception energy. In my opinion a soul is then attracted to this energy to manifest a body for life experiences.
The solar and lunar eclipses whilst in the womb are further triggers of development, but not the main draw to incarnation.
Alice

Wow, very well-said, Alice!
And Clover, I absolutely LOVE that book because it rings so very very true for me. Perhaps the doubters need
chart rectification? Anyway, I think what a few people here are pointing out rather vaguely is that generating
charts (as though they are stand-alone birth charts for the solar and lunar eclipses) really provides no additional
insight for you personally.
Bernadette Brady (Eagle and the Lark) does a fantastic job describing the general energies of the eclipses, bothsolar and lunar, and that may provide some insight regarding the energies via which you were conceived.
However, I think Alice said it best and quite simply: the eclipses are main ingredients, trigger points forconception, and can provide some understanding in interpretation, but based on our current understanding andpractice of interpretation, the eclipses are not meant to be read as personal stand-alone charts.
Now, if you discover that there is more to those charts than we understand presently, please do share!
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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #10 - on: 02.01.2008 at 11:43 [UT] »Thanks for all your replies!
My Solar Eclipse is conjunct my South Node and Moon in Taurus and my Lunar Eclipse is in Scorpio, but about

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Gender:11 degrees away from my North Node. In my natal chart, Taurus (12th house) and Scorpio (6th house) are
intercepted.
I definitely feel that that axis is one of my most important learning curves so I wasn't surprised to find myeclipses there.
As for the date of conception in connection to the eclipses, that's an interesting concept as well. I was actuallyborn 23 days late according to my mother, so I suppose I would have to work that into the equation.
I will have to delve into the reading selections that some of you have left on the thread. I do find this topic
fascinating.

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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #11 - on: 02.01.2008 at 17:50 [UT] »Quote from clover on 02.01.2008 at 11:43 [UT]:Thanks for all your replies!
My Solar Eclipse is conjunct my South Node and Moon in Taurus and my Lunar Eclipse is in Scorpio, but about 11 degrees away from my
North Node. In my natal chart, Taurus (12th house) and Scorpio (6th house) are intercepted.
I definitely feel that that axis is one of my most important learning curves so I wasn't surprised to find my eclipses there.
As for the date of conception in connection to the eclipses, that's an interesting concept as well. I was actually born 23 days late according
to my mother, so I suppose I would have to work that into the equation.
I will have to delve into the reading selections that some of you have left on the thread. I do find this topic fascinating.

lol...
Most people's nodal axis falls in the same sign as their prenatal eclipse....you're sort of missing the obvious.
Here's an article that should help clear up your "not-surprising" contact points:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/northnodesouthnode.html
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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #12 - on: 02.01.2008 at 21:55 [UT] »firewater Yes, I do realize that most people's nodes and the eclipses are either conjunct or at least thereabouts...I justPosts: 705
Gender:meant that on the whole it all makes sense to me in the greater scheme of things to have it all going on in myintercepted signs.
I have read of some people who have it the opposite way around though - South Node conunct Lunar eclipse
and North Node conjunct Solar Eclipse. I wonder about the confusion that might generate and significance ofthat.

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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #13 - on: 03.01.2008 at 23:20 [UT] »I cannot really comment upon the preconception eclipse since I have only done some preliminary work in thatarea. (BTW in karmic astrology the actual moment of birth is the only consideration, the time a person might
have, could have, should have been born isirrelevant. The actual birth time is the time the soul chose prior to incarnation to manifest the energy needed inthis life. )The prenatal eclipses are very interesting and complex, there is not a strong consensus in the literature about
the meaning. Spiller and Brady have some interesting input, the strongest work seems to be Lineman's
thorough study of the eclipses.
There does seem to be agreement that the eclipses are giving the soul and fetus a strong dusting of cosmic
energy along spiritual lines.
Some think that the prenatal lunar eclipse is downloading past life information! This is an interesting idea, andone I belive may be correct.
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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #14 - on: 04.01.2008 at 13:00 [UT] »Quote from Cassandra_ Angelwings on 03.01.2008 at 23:20 [UT]:
I cannot really comment upon the preconception eclipse since I have only done some preliminary work in that area. (BTW in karmic

astrology the actual moment of birth is the only consideration, the time a person might have,
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Gender:could have, should have been born isirrelevant. The actual birth time is the time the soul choseprior to incarnation to manifest the energy needed in this life. )The prenatal eclipses are very interesting and complex, there is not a strong consensus in the literature about the meaning. Spiller andBrady have some interesting input, the strongest work seems to be Lineman's thorough study of the eclipses.
There does seem to be agreement that the eclipses are giving the soul and fetus a strong dusting of cosmic energy along spiritual lines.
Some think that the prenatal lunar eclipse is downloading past life information! This is an interesting idea, and one I belive may becorrect.
CassieI know a lot of work has been done on the eclipses whilst in the womb, most particularly the solar eclipse
before birth, but these eclipses are only a small part of the story - particularly as the energy of the eclipses in
the womb are filtered through the body of the mother and the energy field of the whole family.
The pre-conception lunar eclipse usually shows what the soul is drawn to in that family and, from myperception, is the most important of the pre-biirth eclipse cycles.
The time of conception is crucial as that is the time that the earth life of the person starts in the mother'swomb. The birth moment is geared to naturally be in harmony with the conception chart, so artificial
interference with this can cause considerable misery.
The moment of the first breath is certainly the time the energy is received for a particular lifetime, but if thebirth is artifically induced it it is possible that it is completely out of wack with the genetic energy of the family.
This is rarely a good idea as it can make the individual feel 'alien' to the family. In these circumstances a soulis stuck with an energy inprint that does not fit the original intent in incarnation, not a very nice situation andfor most people, better avoided.
I have studied 'karmic' astrology amongst most other forms of astrology for the past 36 years and still am very
uneasy at many of the judgements and interpretations of this concept. So many statements seem to be madewithout any proof - they just sound good. There generally seems to be no study at all of actual family history
to see why a soul has been karmically drawn to that genetic line.
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Re: Prenatal Eclipse« Reply #15 - on: 04.01.2008 at 19:06 [UT] »The choice of a genetic line is only one of the many reasons why a soul comes back to a certain family. Timeand place have meaning for the soul as well. All facotrs are linked to soul growth and karmic progress.
There does happen to be a very large body of research on the topic of past lives, including time of birth issues,
via past life regression investigation. The bibliography for this type of research is a long one, but just a few
are:Judy Hall has done about 30 years of research into this topic; she is a karmic astrologer who also does past life
regressions. So she has been able to see links between the natal chart and past lives in her work. She isparticularly interested in family lineage, especially along the maternal line.
Also Dr. Michael Newton has about 30 years experience as well, investigating the life between life state in which
we select our future incarnation, and birth time is a very important part of the birth process.
Dr. Brain Weiss is also another professional who has spent about 25 years investigating past lives and how weselect our current life.
These researchers have graduate degrees in traditional fields such as medicine or psychology, so I appreciate
their rigorous approach to research methodology.
There are many other excellent researchers who have been looking into these kind of issues, so I feel fairly
certain about my opinion about birth time. However as usual I am willing to be convinced otherwise, if there issome compelling data that refutes my belief.
As an aside, I have found a significant part of my growth as a karmic astrologer is trying to be as widely read as
possible in all areas of spirituality, karma and reincarnation, not just astrology. Reading about related topics
helps me put the natal chart in proper perspective.
I am here to learn and find the truth of the matter whatever it might be. That is most important to me. I
would welcome more thoughts on this issue.
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