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Van Derek
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« on: 18.07.2009 at 23:34 [UT+1] »Take geometry as a base add some symbols, a slice of karma, add a bit of meditation, a pinch of quantum
science, one healthy cup of scepticism. Stir in a remnant of belief in a higher power, Mind, God, Nature, Fohat,
Science whatever and… wallah. What have we got? A self tailored belief system that gives meaning. It’s not
astrology, or is it?
Or can astrology live alongside or inside another chosen faith? It also appears acceptable to mix the languageof various faiths with astrological thinking as theosophists, Blavatsky, Bessant, Bailey and others have done
and many have accepted. The power beyond the stars, or the power within, which one suits astrology?
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Gender:Or should we just use the liberty we have and look at out charts and point to F and O and take it as a matterof birth fate. Emphasized O = astrologer. Emphasized F = religious and all the derivatives mno etc. thereof?

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Re: Is astrology just a mystical libertarian relig« Reply #1 - on: 19.07.2009 at 00:04 [UT+1] »Well, modern astrology certainly seems to be treated like a religion. Especially after followers or thetheosophists et.al seasoned with a little of Jung and his ideas of individuation. And Jung was influenced by theGnostics.
I found myself going rather against the idea in the end, feeling that maybe astrology may better serve a betterrole by being neutral and not being applied as a religion in itself. Otherwise, biasses coming from whatever folk
gnosticism is applied may creep in when it comes to interpreting charts for other people.

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At least, maybe it is best to state at the outset what informs your work, if you do work with other people as an
astrologer - then, the clients can decide for themselves whether or not their world view is compatible withyours, if it is the state of their soul they are most concerned about, rather than with more concrete questions
about their futures.
For my personal understanding - I know it can be easy to get into 'doom, doom, I-say' mode when looking at
certain difficult transits, especially if similar ones have shown genuinely trying times on occasions before, sothen I remember that maybe how the next transit is handled, hopefully shows that there is a new awarenessshown in the way the energies get handled this time round.
Not so long ago, I found myself wangling with an astrologer who was totally against any kind of religon or
spirituality - he wanted nothing but Science. Yet the modesty of his vision for what knowledge of transits was
attractive, after hearing nth number of judgements and past lives on charts. He thought that if a couple canlearn to manage their mutual Mars transits and take potential fights and quareels to a slightly moreconstructive perspective, then that made astrology worthwhile.
That may or may not open up implications to other things about which a 'neutral' astrology might maintain awise silence.

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Stephen Baxter
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Re: Is astrology just a mystical libertarian relig« Reply #2 - on: 19.07.2009 at 00:06 [UT+1] »I didn't think there were any mystical libertarian religions? Well there is F/O and that comes very, very close.
I think astrology can be studied and practiced wihout any nod to spirituality or even intuition. However, I
suspect most astrologers are both spiritual and intuitive.
Because science can't seem to wrap its collective brains around the idea, it qualifies as metaphysics.
No doubt someone will figure out how to turn it into a religion or base a religion upon it.
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Stephen Baxter

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Re: Is astrology just a mystical libertarian relig« Reply #3 - on: 19.07.2009 at 17:32 [UT+1] »You can get an Honorary Doctor of Divintiy Degree and Ordination as a minister in the American Fellowship
Church for the cost of a donation. I believe that they have clergy accessories and clergywear too.
http://www.amfellow.org/minister-certificates.htm
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Ceto*
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Re: Is astrology just a mystical libertarian relig« Reply #4 - on: 19.07.2009 at 18:09 [UT+1] »You are asking what is the basis of astrology?
What is it's validation?

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Re: Is astrology just a mystical libertarian relig« Reply #5 - on: 19.07.2009 at 18:23 [UT+1] »Quote from DrKoo on 18.07.2009 at 23:34 [UT+1]:
Take geometry as a base add some symbols, a slice of karma, add a bit of meditation, a pinch of quantum science, one healthy cup ofscepticism. Stir in a remnant of belief in a higher power, Mind, God, Nature, Fohat, Science whatever and… wallah. What have we got? Aself tailored belief system that gives meaning. It’s not astrology, or is it?

I think we're quite near to a sort of Alchemical Marriage - ominously near to the Mayan end-of-the-world
scenario. The reconciliation of science and spirituality does seem to be what is motivating anyone whose brain
is still functioning beyond soap operas and prescription drug advertising.
I think astrology by itself - especially "misunderstood astrology" (prediction, fate) is far too narrow to beconsidered a mystical religion; This is a site I found quoted on another forum - I Ching and DNA, and is thesort of thing I wouldn't mind admitting taking an interest in if anyone asks my "religion":
http://www.kheper.net/topics/I_Ching/IChing_and_dna.htm
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moondust
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Re: Is astrology just a mystical libertarian relig« Reply #6 - on: 19.07.2009 at 21:40 [UT+1] »No, astrology isn't a mystical religion - it is an art that we learn and then pass on. I do think that some people
are maybe more connected to the energies and are able to tune in more, but it isn't a religion.
Maybe as you say, some people are fated at birth to follow a certain path and astrology is one of the skills they
are able to absorb and teach and through that pass on the knowledge to future generations - then again as I
have natal planets on the Astrologer's degrees (O at 27 e opposing F at 26k55), I suppose I would say that
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