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whiterose_ro
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« on: 20.06.2007 at 11:29 [UT+1] »Many times i saw a strange thing: when a person has a probem and you give a good advice sometimes thisperson goes on doing the opposite. Even they admit that they know it is wrong ,they still do it!! ( look at theabused women , drugaddicts, etc)
I am also dealing with the same dilema in my life. I must decide weather to divorce or not. ( thanks to all the
astrologer who answered to my question! AS a matter of fact , all of you told me the same thing: DIVORCE)
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Gender:And yet , i am still afraid to make up my mind . Is like fear and yet something that tells me don`t do it ! I wastold i have some psychic abilities many times but i did not believe it.After this TOD NEIMANN ( thank you Sir)clearly explained to me : your moon is opposed tyoneptune which gives visions and your venus is opposed touranus which can give you prophetic dreams.
MollyV (thank you !Your are great!) also said ; the answer is in your heart. So is something beyond us whodrives us into problems? We actually HAVE to DEAL with these problems in order to LEARN SOMETHING?
I dont ask for myself ,neither i wait for an answer concerning strictly my person. What i wonder is : Why We
Ignore The Stars? Is something beyond the chart who drives us to do so? Or we are just cowards?
my chart just to add a spot of colour in the message.

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« Reply #1 - on: 20.06.2007 at 13:14 [UT+1] »There are two ways to learn-- Through love or through pain. Sometimes it is our choice which method we use.
Sometimes it is not. Mostly we just keep doing the same thing over and over again out of habit because it isfamilar and comfortable no matter how disfunctional it may be. Ultimately, each of us must live our own lives
and make our own choices. I do believe there is more karmic accountability when we know something is wrong
for us or those around us and continue to engage in that behavior. I also believe that advice is only asuggestion. Just because you ask for it doesn't mean you have to take it. It is up to you, and only you, todecide when enough is enough.
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« Reply #2 - on: 20.06.2007 at 13:20 [UT+1] »I don't think that it is about ignoring the stars but rather part of what attracted you to your husband is still
there and also you are aware that by leaving him, you will probably need to go back to your mother's/parents
from whome, as you have said...you ran away in the first place.
With an Aries Sun, you are prone to jump before thinking and then face the consequences as a result.
Maybe now there is the underlaying fear of making a mistake again.

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The best advice would be to open up all your cards/options and carefully decide what are your priorities andwhat you really want to do with your life.
Playing games will get you nowhere.
Your husband has a very strong and intense Scorpio personality; can a 10th house Aries Sun stay and follow in
his shadow? I doubt it.

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« Reply #3 - on: 20.06.2007 at 15:46 [UT+1] »yes you are both right. i think one way or antoher we lust learn our lesson by love or by pain. And in case we
still don`t learn it we get a retrograde planet in our chart.
i also believe that sometimes when we are asking for an advice actually we try to arrage things in our head andtake a decision.

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Gender:anyway my question is if there is any predestination ? for example if we have an intercalated axis house 6-12 (not my case but i know a family with 2 children who have this aspect) should we deal with a serious disease ?
so far they are ok but both of them had car accidents. or someone who has a 1-7 intercalated axis should deal
with a divorce? or serious problems when it comes of communication?
or if someone in the chart has planets that indicate a possible addiction to drugs or alchool ( usually neptune
indicates these things, but not only) could he/she "skip"this? let`s think of the muslim religion where thealchool is prohibited. Someone who has never tasted alchool means it cannot get alchoolic,therefore the bad
aspects cant play their part.

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« Reply #4 - on: 20.06.2007 at 16:23 [UT+1] »By 'intercalated houses' do you mean intercepted signs and intercepted houses; signs that are completely
enclosed in one house?
I don't understand why you stress it so much, almost all have that especially if they were born farther northfrom the equator and it's only in some specific house systems we use.
I have Sagittarius/Gemini intercepted in my 5th and 11th houses, one daughter has Pisces/Virgo also in the

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Gender:5th/11th, the other daughter as well as my husband have Libra/ Aries intercepted in their 3rd/9th houses.
The energy of those signs is there but it has a harder time showing than the energy of the sign on the cusp.
I don't see it as a special problem, though it may confuse you if you are not aware of it.
For example, I have Scorpio on the cusp of my 5th, I may appear very Scorpionic in 5th house matters but the
Sagittarius energy is there too.

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« Reply #5 - on: 20.06.2007 at 18:06 [UT+1] »yes right to the point! this is the idea of intercepted signs and houses. some astrologers in romania pay a lotof attention to this axis, usually because in not very common . they usually interpret is as not a very good
point in a chart,especially when they appear on house 6-12 ,the house of health. they stress it out that usually
the axis fingers where a major problem is.

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« Reply #6 - on: 20.06.2007 at 18:20 [UT+1] »so if u have scorpio in the cusp of 5 it means u are a great mother. just as long as u dont get nervous

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« Reply #7 - on: 20.06.2007 at 18:29 [UT+1] »Quote from whiterose_ro on 20.06.2007 at 15:46 [UT+1]:
yes you are both right. i think one way or antoher we lust learn our lesson by love or by pain. And in case we still don`t learn it we get a
retrograde planet in our chart.
i also believe that sometimes when we are asking for an advice actually we try to arrage things in our head and take a decision.

anyway my question is if there is any predestination ? for example if we have an intercalated axis house 6-12 ( not my case but i know afamily with 2 children who have this aspect) should we deal with a serious disease ? so far they are ok but both of them had car accidents.
or someone who has a 1-7 intercalated axis should deal with a divorce? or serious problems when it comes of communication?
or if someone in the chart has planets that indicate a possible addiction to drugs or alchool ( usually neptune indicates these things, but
not only) could he/she "skip"this? let`s think of the muslim religion where the alchool is prohibited. Someone who has never tasted
alchool means it cannot get alchoolic,therefore the bad aspects cant play their part.

Retrograde planets in next life? Who cares? Even if it did matter, why would a battered wife get "bad karma"??
That sounds like blaming the victim.
I think there is a misunderstanding what karma means. Simple: you get what you give. Wouldn't the abusers or
those who abuse the weak, the ones who will receive their "just desserts" in THIS life? If you are cruel tosomeone who did nothing to you, you will get it back not by the victim, but definitely in THIS lifetime
somehow (independent if you believe in reincarnation/or reincarnation metaphorically, or not at all) Unless one
owns up to their mistakes and does something to make up for it.
Are you a victim of domestic abuse? Or is it just divorce from a bad relationship? If so, the dynamics are quite
different from that of a batter wife or a drug addict....
Reason for sticking in a situation of Domestic abuse (physical, emotional, psychological, economic/social
abuse): no way out, no support system, medical injuries, no resources, don't want to betray abusers,
cowardice, low self-esteem/self-worth (incorporated abusers; message.)
Whiterose, at least you have had the luxury of getting good advice from well-intentioned folks who was willingto listen to your situation and have fully understanding of the spectrum of human dynamics to make anaccurate assessment.
Other people are not so lucky...... future "retrograde" planet in the next life (if there is one, although mostpeople take it metaphorically) is the least of their worries.
What does "prophetic dreams" have anything to do with your divorce or any type of abuse?
Tosh, I agree with you, much of intercepted houses has to do with latitude. If you switch house system, they
disappear. I don't understand this predestination stuff. However, intercepted signs the hold SYMBOLIC.
METAPHORIC significance to me. As my apex T-square is an intercepted sign. It SYMBOLICALLY help me
understand what is holding me back.
Hello, I'm studied the hard sciences/mathematics...and until recently a total Darwinist.
There are other types of abuse that make the victim feel helpless (usually not domestic)... again, different
dynamics
spiritual abuse:
ridiculing the other person’s spiritual beliefs
using the another's spiritual beliefs to manipulate themmobbing (acutely hurtful form of bulling)
Why do the victims take it? At least for the last two, victims understand very well the abuser(s) underlying
motivations, and what it is about themselves that makes them the target.
Also, perhaps they are just used to mistreatment at home, who cares the cyber-world?
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« Reply #8 - on: 20.06.2007 at 18:37 [UT+1] »The 6th is also the house of work and services..so it's not only health.
But it's not uncommon to have intercepted signs...as you see my whole family has them.

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« Reply #9 - on: 20.06.2007 at 18:42 [UT+1] »Hi Whiterose_ro,
I think that your question highlights an important issue in the practice of astrology, which is also being
discussed in some other threads; it is whether astrologers should try to "advise" or "counsel", or whether theyshould simply teach about astrology by giving out information and let others come to their own decisions
about how to run their lives. As cloudyvirgo mentioned above, advice is only a suggeston, and the nature ofyour topic question "Is karma when not taking a good advice?" shows that you are yourself wondering about
the nature of astrology.
Before I give my own suggestions about your chart, I think that you should get hold of a good astrology book,or spend a few days reading Astrodienst's articles, or another reputable teaching source about the basics ofastrology, and what each planet means psychologically. Personally, I also use astrology as a spiritual path, andsince you mentioned that you and your husband are from different religions, you might also be interested inpursuing the esoteric side of astrology as it would overcome the perceived differences caused by exotericreligions. I study kaballah, but of course the choice of spiritual discipline is up to you.
Having just been through your first Saturn return, it is not surprising that you are just beginning to question
the deeper philosophical issues of life which lie beyond the physical world. In my experience, people who study
the esoteric principles, including spiritual astrology, get a chance to "test" these principles out when they areabout 40, when they go through the squares and oppositions of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. That is not to saythat no one can understand what the outer planets mean before then, because we all have a chance toexperience their symbolism when they transit our chart, or are themselves transited by inner planets in hard
aspects (conjunction, square or opposition).
I think in your case, there seems to be a dilemma between being your own "I am" (Sun in Aries) and weighing
up penetrating, esoteric advice (Pluto) from others (Libra). Of course, negatively, this aspect could also meanthat until you learn how to balance the two, a stronger Pluto type person, like a Scorpio could manage tocontrol you. I say this because, the Sun-Pluto opposition in your chart is quite angular and might always beimportant in your life (unless you move to a country where this oppositon is not so pronounced). But you havea load of offsetting trines and sextiles in your chart which mitigate this influence tremendously. You mentionedthat you held a post at a university, so you are obviously a deep thinker, and I think that you are probably
using this aspect already in getting to the root of many intellectual (Libra is a air sign) issues.
Your observation about some cultures not drinking alcohol and therefore eliminating its correlation with
Neptune, is another indication that you are aware of one of prime principles of astrology, which is that planets
merely symbolize spiritual energy, not necessarily physical correlates. Neptune, which is illustrated by the
Hanged Man key in tarot, symbolizes sacrifice, which in some religions is demonstrated by the sacrifice of thephysical body to the spiritual life.
If you do decide to get a divorce, you might find that you are always drawn to Pluto types, because of the SunPluto oppostion in your chart. As with any aspect, this is not bad - it is simply what you need spiritually in thislifetime. You would be bored with someone who did not have a deep quality about them.
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« Reply #10 - on: 20.06.2007 at 18:47 [UT+1] »vertex, our messages crossed.
WhiteRose, so as to better understand what you mean and then answer your questions, I think it would be best
if you wrote your understanding of retrograde planets and intercepted signs or houses.
I think you look upon retrograde planets as negative energy, something that is not good but...rare are the ones
that don't have any retrograde planets in their charts.
To answer your question, no, I don't believe in predestination. If it were so then we should all sit back and wait
for life to just happen on us.
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« Reply #11 - on: 20.06.2007 at 19:47 [UT+1] »Quote from whiterose_ro on 20.06.2007 at 18:20 [UT+1]:
so if u have scorpio in the cusp of 5 it means u are a great mother. just as long as u dont get nervous

Who would get nervous?? Are people truly being nervous, do other people not understand facetiousness??
I see actual nervousness over transits, which I ignore. Perhaps displaced perception?
Quote from _Tosh_ on 20.06.2007 at 18:47 [UT+1]:
vertex, our messages crossed.
WhiteRose, so as to better understand what you mean and then answer your questions, I think it would be best if you wrote yourunderstanding of retrograde planets and intercepted signs or houses.
I think you look upon retrograde planets as negative energy, something that is not good but...rare are the ones that don't have any
retrograde planets in their charts.
To answer your question, no, I don't believe in predestination. If it were so then we should all sit back and wait for life to just happen onus.

Especially if they are generational, I have one Retro...Neptune. So? Many people do....
Outer planet and inner planet retro also have different implications, whether or whether not one believes inpast lives/future lives metaphorically or literally.
Quote from _Tosh_ on 20.06.2007 at 18:47 [UT+1]:
vertex, our messages crossed.
WhiteRose, so as to better understand what you mean and then answer your questions, I think it would be best if you wrote yourunderstanding of retrograde planets and intercepted signs or houses.
I think you look upon retrograde planets as negative energy, something that is not good but...rare are the ones that don't have any
retrograde planets in their charts.
To answer your question, no, I don't believe in predestination. If it were so then we should all sit back and wait for life to just happen onus.

Pre-destination?
Natal chart is nothing but a blueprint...
I think those who believe in fatalistic interpretations, are more likely to give in into role-playing, justification ofbad behaviors, lack of self-awareness (delusions), mislabeling people.... thus believing in predestination. (Ididn't say all).
Fate vs. Free-Will
There is a choice. Planets represent a spectrum energies per planet. Signs represents spectrum of behaviors
within a sign. Houses represents many different concepts within an area of life. Depending on the a certain
situation of the house (area), a certain planet can express it's energy positively or negatively. All this depends
on the person. Each house can be read on multiple levels, your childhood, youth, recent past, present.. Plus, it
serves me a guide of understanding my faults, so I can change them.

Whiterose, as far as the Muslim and drinking analogy....I'm not sure where you were going with it.
Some people don't drink, not because they don't have access to it, but because it is just a conscious choice.
Not everyone need a legal, physical, religious barrier from stopping them from doing something. They justchoose not to, based on their own personal value system (morals) and a strong will....or it is not in theirnature.
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« Reply #12 - on: 20.06.2007 at 19:57 [UT+1] »TO VERTEX :Hello vertex and thank you for your reply. First of all I want to say to all the people thank you for sharing youropinions with me , giving advice and getting involved. Secondly i am not physically abused at all. Perhaps my

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husband is a bit obsessive, but i also have a Sun in Aries and a Mars in Leo so trust me ,in case of physicalabuse i can defend myself! I am very much of a fighter so i am not afraid to use force in case i am being
attacked. ( i hope this will never be the case).

Gender:Now i have to apologize but i have a different opinion concerning this paragraph: think there is amisunderstanding what karma means. Simple: you get what you give. Wouldn't the abusers or those who
abuse the weak, the ones who will receive their "just desserts" in THIS life? If you are cruel to someone who
did nothing to you, you will get it back not by the victim, but definitely in THIS lifetime somehow (independent
if you believe in reincarnation/or reincarnation metaphorically, or not at all) Unless one owns up to their
mistakes and does something to make up for it.
i know many people who did a lot of wrong things and have a happy ,fulfilled life, full of health and joy. And
also don`t imagine that the big magnates of the world reached the top positions without being unfair or
harming others. And they are also enjoying their lives.(if you allow me a joke, just think of the corporations
who sell junk food or give antibiotics and hormones to animals, in order to increase production and get faster
economic results etc).
Whiterose, at least you have had the luxury of getting good advice from well-intentioned folks who was willingto listen to your situation and have fully understanding of the spectrum of human dynamics to make anaccurate assessment
Indeed i had the luxury of getting wonderful advice from everybody. But i do think that during this life wemust EVOLVE , that means to learn. You cannot build a house starting with the rooftop, right? Baby steps are
the best sometimes. So i am pretty sure that all who joined the forum are here to learn or at least to exercise
their knowledge. Just like to an athlete, if he has stayed out of the training gym for one month he will not havea good shape to compete the Olympics the nest day. My point is i had the luxury of getting the advice because
i asked for help and i am pretty sure that all people who read my messages also had something to learn fromthem, or at least to do a mental exercice. So we are all learning or sharing something.And those who were notinterested didn`t answer the message,right?
Tosh, I agree with you, much of intercepted houses has to do with latitude. If you switch house system, they
disappear. I don't understand this predestination stuff. However, intercepted signs the hold SYMBOLIC.
TO THIS POINT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU .
There are other types of abuse that make the victim feel helpless (usually not domestic)... again, different
dynamics
spiritual abuse:
ridiculing the other person’s spiritual beliefs
using the another's spiritual beliefs to manipulate themmobbing (acutely hurtful form of bulling)Completely right!
And in the end, i close the circle by commenting the first paragraph : Retrograde planets in next life? Whocares? Even if it did matter, why would a battered wife get "bad karma"?? That sounds like blaming the victim.
Is your right not to care and i totally respect this. Also on the other hand is my right to try to solve someissues. Is not at random why i met my husband and is not at random why i go through these moments now.
Here is something i must learn: weather to have the courage to leave , weather to shut my mouth and go on
with this life. The point is that we all who are here on the earth have something to learn,to evolve. Is like theembrio in the turtle egg. Once hatched, if it doesn`t strive to get to the see it will end up in the belly of apredator. If we don`t learn the lesson, we are supposed to repeat it again and again. That is my point.
And rhetorically now, perhaps some people who ignore the advice, actually have to go through certain
situations and learn something???
Thank you for your answer to my question. THANK YOU!
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« Reply #13 - on: 20.06.2007 at 19:59 [UT+1] »Quote from whiterose_ro on 20.06.2007 at 11:29 [UT+1]:
What i wonder is : Why We Ignore The Stars? Is something beyond the chart who drives us to do so? Or we are just cowards?

There is nothing out there that is not within you as well. The forces that drive the planets are the same forces
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Gender:that give you life, breath, thought and feeling. We look for explanations in the stars because it is simply easier
to look out there than it is to look inward. The planets and signs are merely a mirror of ourselves, and bylooking into the mirror we can sometimes see ourselves a little more clearly. The answers to our problems
always lie within our own being. It's not "the stars" that we ignore, but our own inner selves, who offer up
solutions that we may or may not act upon. Sometimes we are faced with situations that cause us great
suffering, yet we continue in them because we feel safe and comfortable if only because it is something weknow. Sometimes that which gives us suffering and pain also gives us other things we feel we need or desire.
In such cases, letting go of that which causes pain means letting go of the good that may have come with it,
and we are afraid we will not be able to find those good things again. Most often change brings us face to facewith the unknown, with uncertainty, and we become afraid. In the end, we cannot change the other person,
only ourselves, and if we do not change, then the situation will not change.

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« Reply #14 - on: 20.06.2007 at 20:05 [UT+1] »here you can see my mothers chart: NO RETROGRADES. she is pretty difficult as a person and very hard to deal
with her.

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« Reply #15 - on: 20.06.2007 at 20:12 [UT+1] »me again... OK I think I understand now... I don't think that retrograde planets are retribution for mistakes
made in previous lives... well.. first of all I don't believe in reincarnation but that is another subject.
There is a post here about retrograde planets... to sum it up..the energy of the retrograde planet is turnedmore inwardly so we are less aware of it..sort of ...Mars retrograde... that's action energy..but Mars retrograde
diminishes our desire to pursue outside actions, but leaves us with a strong desire to build up ourselves.

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Gender:I never thought that you were abused, I rather had the impression that even with the Cancer rising you have acontrol conflict with your husband. What I mean is...you are too strong a person to be controlled by anyone
but as someone already wrote you I also think that you would be bored with a weak partner.
It's your life to decide what you will make of it.
Oops! BTW, in my family, I am the only one with no retrogrades..which is rare... the majority of people have 34.

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« Reply #16 - on: 20.06.2007 at 20:36 [UT+1] »tosh you are PERFECTLY RIGHT! is a matter of control . i am extremely independant and what is very funny(and also strange even for me) is when i apply for a job i get it just like this. i have never failed any exam in mylife( only one,and not because i did wrong,but because the teacher forgot to add me some points whencalculated the score) .when it is about career for me is pretty easy (thank you God). so for him is a horrible
stress. he grew up in a very traditional religious family where women never worked ( i am the first woman towork in their family! ) and they have to let men eat first . ( well, i declared this pure sexism and i didn`t care ofconventions and i am eating together with men).
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Gender:so what bothers him is the fact that i actually always find resurses to stand on my own. this is one reason for
our fights.so you are right, is a matter of control.

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« Reply #17 - on: 20.06.2007 at 22:58 [UT+1] »vortex you got to my point : " Whiterose, as far as the Muslim and drinking analogy....I'm not sure where youwere going with it.
Some people don't drink, not because they don't have access to it, but because it is just a conscious choice.
Not everyone need a legal, physical, religious barrier from stopping them from doing something. They justchoose not to, based on their own personal value system (morals) and a strong will....or it is not in theirnature. ""Posts: 49
Gender:what i mean is that a person who has in his chart an aspect that could indicate that he /she might have someproblems with alchool/ drugs,etc and WILLINGLY doesn`t do it is going Beyond the astrological chart. It is apredisposition but the Human Beings can over pass it ,right?
we can choose by ourselves, not because the charts say it so.

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« Reply #18 - on: 20.06.2007 at 23:10 [UT+1] »Blue Hills thank you very much for your message.
For interested people i will paste here some informations about Kabbalah.
Kabbalah literally means "receiving", and is sometimes transliterated as Cabala, Kabbala, Qabalah, or otherspellings. It is held authoritative by most Orthodox Jews. According to its adherents, intimate understanding
and mastery of the Kabbalah brings man spiritually closer to God and as a result man can be empowered withhigher insight into the inner-workings of God’s creation.[i][/i]]Kabbalah teaches that God is neither matter nor
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Gender:spirit. Rather God is the creator of both, but is himself neither. But if God is so different from his creation, how
can there be any interaction between the Creator and the created?
This question prompted Kabbalists to envision two aspects of God, (a) God himself, who in the end is
unknowable, and (b) the revealed aspect of God that created the universe, preserves the universe, and interacts
with mankind. Kabbalists speak of the first aspect of God as Ein Sof (‫ ;)אין סוף‬this is translated as "the infinite","endless", or "that which has no limits". In this view, nothing can be said about this aspect of God. This aspectof God is impersonal. The second aspect of divine emanations, however, is at least partially accessible to humanthought. Kabbalists believe that these two aspects are not contradictory but, through the mechanism of
progressive emanation, complement one another. See Divine simplicity; Tzimtzum. The structure of theseemanations have been characterized in various ways: Four "worlds" (Azilut, Yitzirah, Beriyah, and Asiyah),
Sefirot, or Partzufim ("faces"). Later systems harmonize these models.[/color]
Kabbalistic works offer a theodicy, a philosophical reconciliation of how the existence of a good and powerful
God is compatible with the existence of evil in the world. There are mainly two different ways to describe why
there is evil in the world, according to the Kabbalah.Not all Kabbalists accepted this notion of evil being in such
intimate relationship with GodThey located evil as a byproduct of human freedom, an idea also found in mythic
form in Rabbinic traditions that claim most demons are either the "dead of the flood" or products of humansexual debauchery.

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« Reply #19 - on: 21.06.2007 at 04:38 [UT+1] »Hi again,
The only thing I'd like to add to the description of Kabbalah above is that Qabalah is a discipline that was only
invented quite recently and is not neccessarily part of the Jewish religion, even though it is based on the Tree ofLife and Hebrew letters. I'm sorry if this is a repeat of what I've posted before, but don't forget that we are in
Mercury retrograde!
Qabalah is a mixture of Kaballah (which in my experience is a bit too occult for some orthodox Jews), andmodern occultism such as was practiced by mystery schools like the Golden Dawn. In the discipline that I am
familiar with, the major arcana of the tarot are placed on the paths of the Tree of Life as a meditative tool.
Builders of the Adytum puts out a very good course which you can find out about at their website:www.bota.org
Best wishes
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« Reply #20 - on: 21.06.2007 at 19:59 [UT+1] »thank you blue hills for the posts

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