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What aspects put a person "on a soapbox" (Read 401 times)

Tamayoke
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What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« on: 23.09.2009 at 21:46 [UT+1] »What galvanizes towards crusading, inquistitions(neg crusading), strong wish to defend or deny?
And are any being pushed that way lately..what is your chart element heaviest in if "yes"?

(this whole week is my hot button week -name it: weed, abortion, family abuse and "freelove"- Things thatalways were my pet peeves seem to be larger than life windmills of doom and needing me to gird for battle andget my lance to knock em flat)
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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #1 - on: 23.09.2009 at 23:46 [UT+1] »Hi, my brother is like this, always has been. It is quite hard for him to just have normal light conversations andinteractions. Everything, or all of his opinions about everything, is critically important to him, and once he getsgoing on a subject (often religion) it is hard to get him to stop......he literally stands up (he's very tall) andstrides around, sometimes points and finger wags too!
He has 3rd house f OJ opposite ACNG in the 8th/9th house all in l.
Also 1st house FoE. That F in d aspects most of his planets, and is part of a Grand Water Trine with I &G.
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Neptune's StormEx Member

Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #2 - on: 24.09.2009 at 00:54 [UT+1] »I think the desire to live life as if constantly on a pulpit can be associated with F/J, with strong undertones ofSaturn thrown in, alluding to a confluence of moral conscience with possible fanaticism, extremism and a desire
to see one's moral compass embedded in law. In mythology both Zeus and Hades were rather dictatorial innature and in people I know who have both F and J prominent, there seems to be a strong urge to issuemoral dictates to others and society at large.
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Alice Portman

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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #3 - on: 24.09.2009 at 00:59 [UT+1] »Sagittarius is 'the preacher' and loves a soap box. It and Jupiter have the signature of wagging their forefinger
whilst pontificating.
As Pisces is also connected to Jupiter it may do this too, though usually Pisces is quieter about their personal
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Gender:convictions, however they can become very fanatical in religious areas. (Queen Mary 1st of England - Bloody
Mary - 18 Feb 1516 4.00 am Greenwich UK)
Jupiter in hard aspect to any planet involved with communication will tend to think its own opinion is the only
viable one and continuously express this, often quite loudly.
Crusaders often have a Scorpio-Sagittarius signature. (Billy Graham 7 Nov 1918 3.30 pm Charlotte)
Uranus can be fanatical, particularly if involved with Jupiter, Sagittarius, Pisces and/or Scorpio.
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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #4 - on: 24.09.2009 at 02:07 [UT+1] »I agree Nep.. I've seen what you mention about the Saturn undertones of moralizing or getting on a soap box.

I know one person where I think her Chiron placement helps fuel her Saturn moralizing, (in the soapbox way).
I think this person gets triggered from wounds she received.
Capricorn is prominent in her chart... 3 personal planets in Cap.... Sun, Mercury and Venus with Saturn inCancer. When she gets on her 'soapbox' its usually (not always) centered around 3 of the 10 Commandments.
Honor thy father and thy mother.
Posts: 2516Thou shalt not commit adultery

Gender:Thou shalt not covet.
This person also has natal Chiron in the 4th.
divorce and marry a lover.

Her father left the family when she was a teenager to get a

I don't have her chart ... I lost a slew of charts a while back when my computer crashed.... or I'd go back andsee which house Capricorn is on.
Have you ever seen a Chiron connection to this kind of thing?
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Serene Sphinx

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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #5 - on: 24.09.2009 at 10:22 [UT+1] »My husband has sun conjunct Zeus and MercuryMC in Leo and he loves to orate!!
I would also suggest Mars-Jupiter for self-righteousness, and Mercury-Pluto for a strong need to impose one'sopinion on others.
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Neptune's StormEx Member

Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #6 - on: 24.09.2009 at 16:33 [UT+1] »Hi Cran,
I think there definitely could be a connection between Chiron and Saturn, whereby Saturn seems to denote thelosses incurred by the wounding expereienced through Chiron. For instance I know someone who has Libra on
their ascendant, Moon and Saturn, ruled by Venus conjunct Chiron in Taurus, they seem to have an inbuilt
preconception that the world is not fair. Then they seem to retreat to a haven of ultra-conservative values (b)as a cure for this sense of unfairness, perhaps thinking these values will heal them and the world.
So you could definitely be onto someting with regards to Chironic wounds acting as a springboard toconservative, Saturnian moralizing. Erin Sullivan defines Jupiter as inducing shame and Saturn as inducing
guilt, people with these planets prominent seem to be more than capable of dispensing both.
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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #7 - on: 25.09.2009 at 19:02 [UT+1] »[size=14][/size]
OK...when generalizing like this it is helpful to be as specific as possible.
If a person is prone to "philosophizing" the intention is to spread his version of a truth in some way. As inPosts: 17033

rebutting something someone else said, etc. The intention here is to give his side of the picture or philosophy,etc. This is very 9th house.
PROSELYTISING - instructing or sermonizing is usually about "recruiting" others to a specific belief that youhave. This is VERY 8th house....you want to transform the 'values' of the other to that which YOU believe.
There is no payoff unless the other person ends up believing what you believe.
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QuinnEx Member

Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #8 - on: 25.09.2009 at 19:33 [UT+1] »well I have a soapbox AC9thnFpJ
I don't have a problem with other people's opinions but rarely change my own...it's usually philosophicalquestions or statements that get me goingsomeone mentioned F and shame ...that's quite interesting because I do believe it is an effective teacher,notthat I go around trying to make people feel ashamed it's just something I noticed over the years.
oh and everything in my chart except the A is in aspect to Ii
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TamayokeEx Member

Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #9 - on: 26.02.2010 at 15:40 [UT] »That is interesting that the first poster mentions her podium pal has a grand water trine. My browbeating
recent double j ex and my double Air self also have grand water trines.
I saw Pisces and Chiron as factors
My G is in 10th house Picses....

The overwhelming urge I had tell about mid Oct is gone though I have always had tendencies.
For some reason my personality seems strongest influenced by my B and D in an otherwise watery chart ofthis air A & AC
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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #10 - on: 26.02.2010 at 19:49 [UT] »this is all dogmatic?

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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #11 - on: 26.02.2010 at 22:55 [UT] »Negative versions of this usually seem to involve some kind of insecurity and the need to have others be thesame form of life expression for personal/institutional confidence/validation through some explicit or implicit
demand or diminution of the receiver's' personal power - all to assuage the insecurity of the projector. They
cannot see the similar content of divinity in others and insist vehemently and publicly on their need for conform-ity.
Positive versions often evidence a humility in a detached offering of some individual form - simply an option
presented for others to borrow content as a service to the divine, with a recognition of the self-same innate
divinity of others - that this divinity has the capacity to recognize Itself in other forms and operate in andthrough everyone, and that the 'soapboxer' is consciously not ever issuing a mandate or threat as part of theoffering as with the desired imposition of conformity/subjegation of the negative case, but towards theillumination/liberation of any other individual as a service.
Most people seem to have some sense in some measure as to whether they are observing either the former orlatter versions.
As pointed out by others, the astrology is multidimensional as to origin of purpose, instrumental vehicle, andsocial context.
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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #12 - on: 27.02.2010 at 09:49 [UT] »Jupiter in 6th house from what I have noticed is one configuration. I also meant to add more closer to the DC.

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Re: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #13 - on: 27.02.2010 at 09:57 [UT] »Quote from lynnifer on 23.09.2009 at 23:46 [UT+1]:
Hi, my brother is like this, always has been. It is quite hard for him to just have normal light conversations and interactions. Everything,or all of his opinions about everything, is critically important to him, and once he gets going on a subject (often religion) it is hard to get
him to stop......he literally stands up (he's very tall) and strides around, sometimes points and finger wags too!
He has 3rd house
Also 1st housef OJ opposite ACNG in the 8th/9th house all in l.

FoE. That F in d aspects most of his planets, and is part of a Grand Water Trine with I & G.

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MemberRe: What aspects put a person "on a soapbox"« Reply #14 - on: 27.02.2010 at 19:12 [UT] »How about Chiron conjunct the IC in Aquarius, directly opposed Uranus conjunct the MC in Leo?
Uranus is also trine a conjunction of Venus and Saturn in Sagittarius in the 2nd house of values.
Uranus is sextile a conjunction of Mercury, Mars and Jupiter in Libra in the 12th (with Scorpio rising).
I jump up on a soapbox not REAL often, but often enough.
I don't try to force my opinion on anyone, nor do I point or wag my fingers at people; I think everyone's
entitled to their own opinion.
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