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Mona_M
MemberPluto and the Nodes in synastry« on: 15.10.2009 at 23:58 [UT+1] »Hey all,
I was wondering if any of you had any insight of Pluto of one person square the nodes of another in synastry?
This is supposed to be a karmic tie, but for good or bad? Any experiences / insights? Feedback on this topic
would be much appriciated!
Thanks beforehand,MM
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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #1 - on: 16.10.2009 at 02:13 [UT+1] »Robert Hand has these planets to the Nodes in the back of "Planets in Composite" :"Pluto - Node Aspects : These aspects indicate a very heavy sense of poower in a relationship, power that cantransform and transfigure your lives. At their best, these aspects can reform and rejuvenate you, leaving you ina different place than before. On the other hand, they can represent one in which one of you dominates theother destructively.
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PLUTO SQUARE THE NODES:The harsher effects are quite strong. It indicate that your aims in life differ,

which is a source of conflict, because both of you try to force your objectives upon each other."

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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #2 - on: 17.10.2009 at 01:39 [UT+1] »I think that at the beginning it will often be a struggle of power, and a desire to control and manipulate thepartner. The nature of this struggle will be different depending on in which signs the nodes are. And yes, I
guess that it often is an old karma, a power struggle from the past that needs to be put to an end. Pluto isabout transformation, and a change to a new vision where the aim is not to control other people, but to find acommon goal to strive for. Forgiveness is also important for this aspect, so that the two can stop dwelling in
the past, and move together into the future. It is also about understaning no only one's own goals andambitions, but also those of the partner. Because these can be different, try to understand the partner, but alsofind common goals.
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Mona_M

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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #3 - on: 21.10.2009 at 20:12 [UT+1] »Thanks for the reply, guys.
In terms of power struggles, it would be correct to suggest that the J individual would try to control the K individual, right? In
this case, it's my Jg o his Kj. My J in the 11th, his K is unknown.

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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #4 - on: 21.10.2009 at 21:04 [UT+1] »Generally speaking it is usually more power from the J. But the important I think is that there was a patternof behaviour from a past incarnation from both of you, and this has to end. In the past both looked more to
their own personality. And S Kd has to come out from the shell.

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Michelle

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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #5 - on: 21.10.2009 at 22:32 [UT+1] »If your J's in the 11th, then his nodes would be in your 2nd/8th, right?
Do you have planets in your 2nd/8th?
Are you dating?
If so, J/K in relationship houses would indicate an all-consuming emotional relationship.
Pluto 101 - There has to be something that each desires more than anything and is found exclusively in theother in order for the relationship to work long term.
With J, it's all or nothing.
Pluto isn't going to be with someone out of the kindness of its heart alone.
Additionally, there may be issues handling money/possessions together.
While dating, financial concerns may not come up. It's when you get married that handling money together
becomes a consideration.
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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #6 - on: 22.10.2009 at 16:32 [UT+1] »JK subject is of the interest for me at the moment though i would love to hear if anyone had
trJmnodes.....and how that played out? mine is only approaching at 9j but i already have an anxiety due toissues arising related to this aspect....any insights? i apologize if it's not exactly the subject of this thread andwill apreciate if anyone have an insights to post either here if the thread original poster doesnt mind or i will
hapily welcome in my thread on pluto(outer planets) nodes transits in this section thank you all
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Zalgradis

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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #7 - on: 23.10.2009 at 00:08 [UT+1] »Quote from Mona_M on 15.10.2009 at 23:58 [UT+1]:
Hey all,
I was wondering if any of you had any insight of Pluto of one person square the nodes of another in synastry? This is supposed to be a
karmic tie, but for good or bad? Any experiences / insights? Feedback on this topic would be much appriciated!
Thanks beforehand,MM

Karma i dont think is directly indicated in a chart, but it does indicate how you will be urged to play out thekarma or indeed any interaction with another when compared synastry wise.
Pluto square the nodes indicates the pluto person will in some way affect the node person in regard to their
particular learning here, their achilles heel, it is to do with the plutonian bringing to light something in you,usually through adversity or a difficult experience/experiences. A pluto in Virgo father, hypothetically speaking,tightly squaring their child's NN in sagittarius, will always in some way agitate the child into getting in touchwith the jupiterian in them that seeks to question things and follow their own philosophies and subsequently
also make the child aware of their ability to absorb and discover large chunks of infomation (SN in gem) . The
manner in which this square like agitation manifests will depend on the synastry between the two and the
choices they make regarding this synastry. This is a hypothetical situation, open to many different possibilities.
The plutonic 'reminder' will always be there for the nodal person.
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Michelle
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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #8 - on: 23.10.2009 at 23:50 [UT+1] »Zalgradis,
I like the interp you found.
I've been looking at Elizabeth Taylor's charts for her marriages/divorces/synastries with her husbands, and saw
2 chart examples of JoK, though she had JK in synastry with Hilton, Wilding, Todd and Burton.
She had JoK with Wilding (married 5 years-his Pluto squared her nodes) and Todd (married 1 year-his Sun
and Pluto squared her nodes). Todd was said to be the love of her life, but she was married to Burton for along time and married/divorced him twice.
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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #9 - on: 24.10.2009 at 00:13 [UT+1] »Just from experience...I've been involved in a tumultous all consuming and intense relationship for over 2
years...In synastry we have a JmK aspect. He's J
but my own J opposes his A? It's either that or the
GoD and G m/nB interaspects between us that makes it so we just can't let it go? This relationship has mostdefinately changed both of us forever. Im still to this day wondering what our purpose is.
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Michelle
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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #10 - on: 24.10.2009 at 16:19 [UT+1] »Another example I came across...
Ivanka Trump is getting married tomorrow to Jared Kushner.
Natally her FJg are exact and tightly square her nodes (1 deg orb). Jared's J is at the exact same degree
as hers (born the same year).
They got engaged last July with an eclipse to her NNode.
With her FJg o K, she converted to his religion prior to their engagement.
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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #11 - on: 26.10.2009 at 06:46 [UT] »Hi All,It's been over two year and gone I am still effected.......my Km his J in 1 degree
when I was reading Zalgradis post it really hit me as our conjunctions are in f, he was so much in to trying tochange my way of thinking "career wise" and more and at the same time I was so much aware of my disable
career life, what I am trying to say is that although we are not together anymore but it still haunts or rathertransform my thinking about my life. I am not in love with him but yet the effect still very much present.
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Gender:and my Jn his B maybe I have transformed something in him but that is another topic yet to find out.
I am sure there are number of aspects have to be involved to make a definite conclusions.
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Zalgradis
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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #12 - on: 27.10.2009 at 00:36 [UT] »Ah Michelle thank you though these are just my own ideas.
tulipp, sounds as though your difficulty is your "way" of life. What to work for, where to focus your effort, whereto direct operational motive. Pluto in virgo will help you of course. Would be interesting to see how you
respond to SN contacts, mars conjunctions in particular.
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Michelle

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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #13 - on: 27.10.2009 at 01:38 [UT] »Oh, that's very good, Zalgradis, thanks for sharing that!
My Sag ex-husband's Virgo Pluto squared my nodes, and there was that element that you spoke of of bringing
me to my Sag NN through adversity, but I also challenged him at times and there was a lot of mutual support,
financial and otherwise. There was an incredible amount of growth that came due to that long-term
relationship. We each helped to make the other's dreams come true, but then it got to the point where no
more growth was possible because we came to be very different, and that's when it ended. From "Annie Hall":"Relationships are like sharks...they have to keep moving forward or they die."
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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #14 - on: 27.10.2009 at 14:29 [UT] »Dear Zalgradis,
for ref: my K if 13f02 his J 11f37
I am picky about doing everything and having many area of interests but I think having Crx ruler of my NNand pluto .....My way of thinking is "wana be perfectionist" but my ability is having challenges with ADHD/LD I
often fail to get to what I want to be. Most people think I'm being hard on myself.
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You said it right , "focused" that is my main challenge through out my life and I see it clearly and it's hardbecause I am always trying to justify myself to others.
Since we are talking about J and K with this particular case and since I had an unhealthy relationship withthis man and in the end he rejected me. For most people "rejection" is and can influence ways of life to bebetter, worse or trying to proof in something especially if you have fixed ego.....looked at my sun, moon, ac iftime is correct ....ego is pouring out of them lol.....
Sorry I don't want to hi-jack the main subject but could you please elaborate on S. node and Mars the red partis my chart in the previous post.
Here are some high lights:
my south node is 13l02 his Vesta 10l16 and moon 8l03 N 18l39 ????
his south node 2j12 and AC if time is exact 0j14 and Ceres3j52 almost
17 very close to myD in his 12 house at 26i 57.

m my #juno 1j 51 F 3jand

My E 18d14
his E 19b36 next to his C 19b45
my sun 20h28 very close to his juno and pallas at 23h
my C RX at 9h31 mI 9h18 my pluto is almost 8f
His birth time is more accurate then mine.
thank you
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Zalgradis

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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #15 - on: 30.10.2009 at 00:13 [UT] »Ah tulipp, in regards to the SN i wondered because the SN is our aid in learning the NN lesson. The ships
anchor, to our lighthouse destination, if you will.
So, with Virgo, in the 8th, central core position, there is this burning desire for perfect operative capacity withinyourself. Must be quite tough if you do things that dont live up to your own standards. Perhaps your own viewof who you are can sway erratically according to the "perfect" way of being. SN in Pisces in the 2nd is yourremedy, the way to learn the lesson, and this is where the rejection issue you brought up comes into play. This
SN is one that has the innate ability to value people and things in life according to spiritual "weight" rather thana purely physical system. You must have been commended at some point in life at your refusal to judge people
for what they own or how much money they earn, instead choosing to value them for who they are.
Hope this helps!
Michelle that's a great quote *S*
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tulippMember« Reply #16 - on: 30.10.2009 at 05:23 [UT] »Hi
I must have been in denial as I always followed my heart not my brain as I always fell in love for love.....materials never was an issue as am more picky about myself..... the common sense and being caring ismore important to me .......this is so funny that I always used to tell him that he needs to love people for who
they are and not for what have been attached to them lol......perhaps he came to my life to bring me amessage like a karma!
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Gender:I am not sure of my birth time therefore my house is not accurate I only read the meaning or the nodes insigns...
here is nice link about nodes:
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com
a link reference to NN in synastry:
http://www.astrologywithdonnalyn.com/articles/tyl_nodes.html
Thank you for your enlightenment
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Zalgradis

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Re: Pluto and the Nodes in synastry« Reply #17 - on: 30.10.2009 at 15:31 [UT] »Yeah absolutely, that's your SN in Pisces/2nd house working there. Thats the way forward with your NN *S*

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