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Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« on: 18.12.2009 at 02:57 [UT] »This life was truly fascinating from many perspectives, esp. the Astrological ones we may see that reflect thelife and it's many ups and downs. A long life, she died today
at age 90. Probably in and out of consciousness? Neptune over the 6th, Uranus over her 8th makes me wonder
about the death and final hours of her life.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jones%2C_Jennifer
Some of the facts of her life are listed here:
Her parents, Phil and Flora Mae, had a small acting troop called the "Isley Stock Company," and performed intent shows around the Midwest.
Her father purchased several independent movie theaters in 1929, where she spent much of her time,increasing her determination to become an actress.

On 1/20/1940, Jennifer married Robert Walker, exactly one year after they first met. They had two sons
together, Robert Walker, Jr. born 4/15/1940, and Michael Walker, born 3/13/1941. Unfortunately, as Jennifer’s
star rose, their marriage fell apart, and they divorced in March 1944.
relationship with David O. Selznick( ** Gone with The Wind Producer**)intensified over the years, and they exchanged wedding vows on 7/13/1949 in a ceremony on a yacht off thecoast of Italy, and set up residence in Beverly Hills, CA. Jennifer’s first pregnancy with Selznick ended in
miscarriage in 1951,and their only daughter, Mary Jennifer, was born on 8/12/1954.

Jennifer’s own problems with depression led to a reported suicide attempt in the late 1960s, although she later
claimed it was an accident.

Selznick died in 1965, after which Jennifer fell into a long depression. Their daughter became increasingly
unstable after her father’s death, and committed suicide on 5/11/1976, jumping to her death from the 22nd
floor of a building in West Hollywood. Jennifer was left devastated and deeply depressed.
She retired from all films and public appearances in 1977. Devoting a good deal to both the Mental Health
Clinic she founded, but she did marry again to a Multi-Millionaire industrialist/art collector....from 1981-till his
death in 1993.
I'll post a few charts for Jennifer Jones......and her daughter and perhaps her husband David Selznick....himself
quite a story. He did father Jennifer's only daughter.,the one who died.
Their only child.

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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« Reply #1 - on: 18.12.2009 at 03:02 [UT] »Jennifer Jones had Algol conj. her MC and a life of profound ups and profound downs.
Her natal E m fixed star "Scheat" promising a great misfortune in life. (the daughter's suicide perhaps)......
Her Ascendent is conj. "Regulus"....a promise of Rising fast in life and an equally rapid
unseen "fall"...as well.
This natal promise has been seen I'm sure from her own perspective
POF in her 1st house, and monetarily she was beyond wealthy from very rich men in her life as husbands she
chose.
One (Selznick) whose chart will be posted later, was obsessed with her and made movies just for her to appear
in, changing her name from Phyllis Jones Jennifer, to "Jennifer Jones"
The other and last one was a very wealthy man and friends with another, who introduced them, "Walter
Annenberg"....of both Russian & American fame as an INdustrialist.
But note her Uranus in the 7th on the cusp .....of the D/C the Committment and Marriage house.
They say that Selznick was a lousy husband, a liar (his biographer calls him), C 2GEM is very critical for lies.
I think her marriages weren't what they were cracked up to be, but it did leave her very wealthy in the end.
The B always unstable in whatever house it is found in, for that house ....is in the 7th as well as Uranus.

This is her Death Transit Chart:

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Ex Member« Reply #2 - on: 18.12.2009 at 03:26 [UT] »Her Daughter's natal with Transits at her death by suicide: (NOTE: Moira that which sets in motion a death )is conj. "Algol" in her 8th, or the pre-conception house:
http://www.classicimages.com/past_issues/view/?x=/2000/march00/jennifer.shtml
In 1974 Jennifer had her last part in a hit box office movie by appearing in a cameo role for Irwin Allenâs The
Towering Inferno, toppling to her death from the skyscraperâs outdoor elevator. Ironically, in a twist of fatethat only a screenwriter could have devised, her 21-year-old daughter, Mary Jennifer Selznick, shaken ather mothers sudden remarriage and upset when her own career plans went awry, took an elevator to the top ofa Los Angeles office building, leaping off the roof to her death.
Could it be just coincidence that Mary Jennifer's natal POF & the Vertex in her 6th house,(conj. fixed star SKAT)
at 8Pisces, sometimes spoken of as a star associated with a "Fated /Fatal degree of suffering".....was"registering" when she died?
A friend of her's a classmate in a boarding school, said that (Mary) Jennifer was a shy girl....not one given tomuch fanfare herself.
Others say she was disappointed that her own career was lackluster at age 21.
She does have Virgo Rising.....must have been a beautiful young girl, same as her own mother was.
With 11th house stellium in Leo - I'm surprised she was said to be quite "shy"....Must be that retiring VirgoASC.

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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« Reply #3 - on: 18.12.2009 at 05:55 [UT] »Here is her father and the husband of Jennifer Jones - David O Selznick the Movie Producer....
He has a rather rough bio written about him accdg to this link *astrodatabank link.
Said that his own biographer, called him a liar (critical degree for C 2c is said to be critical for lying ).....and a very unorganized person.
I think he must have had genius quality however, and kept everything "in his head".....which to other people
on the outside, probably appeared as terribly "disorganized" thinking. Gemini in the 11th often can be
scattered and scatter their energies here.....no doubt.
He produced the Movie "Gone With the Wind":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Selznick"it is generally conceded that had Selznick not been such a meddlesome perfectionist, his best films would nothave been the masterpieces they were"His biographer calls Selznick "at times a fool, a coward, a liar, a scoundrel and a bore, as well as an unfaithfulhusband, a poor father, a compulsive gambler, an obsessive, chain-smoking, Benzedrine-driven workaholic sophysically awkward that once, examining himself in a mirror at the Waldorf, he shut his privates in a drawer."
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Selznick%2C_David_O.

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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« Reply #4 - on: 20.12.2009 at 09:55 [UT] »Dear Jehanne,
There is also a great article in the NYTimes on Jennifer Jones which you might like to check out. I knew nothingof her tragic life as she was a bit before my time. One thing mentioned in the article is how David O. Selznick

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Gender:had a Svengali influence over her. What aspect would indicate such an influence? The quote from his
biographer was that he had found something special in Ms. Jones, 'she was so meek, so young, so lovely, so
entirely ready to be David's creation that she left all responsibility to him.' He sounds like a creep to me! But
then all her planets are in Pisces & in the 7th house so one wants to say, 'it takes 2 to tango.' And there's
another quote from her in an interview: 'When you're young, you're full of hopes & dreams. Later you begin
to wonder. I did the 'Song of Bernadette' without knowing what was going on half the time.' I think that has
to be one of the most truly archetypal Piscean statements. But also so tragic about her daughter's suicide. I
also have Virgo rising & I do remember being painfully shy at that age. But I am not a Leo. But I remember
once reading that Virgo is the most thin-skinned of the ascendants . . . & there must have been a lot going onin that household, no?
I just find it interesting to see the charts of people of that period in time because the studio system in
Hollywood had such polished images behind which other stories were lurking . . . but then they were in thebusiness of story-telling . . .
Good luck with the thread, Isis

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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« Reply #5 - on: 20.12.2009 at 17:27 [UT] »Quote from Isis Madonna on 20.12.2009 at 09:55 [UT]:
Dear Jehanne,
There is also a great article in the NYTimes on Jennifer Jones which you might like to check out. I knew nothing of her tragic life as she
was a bit before my time. One thing mentioned in the article is how David O. Selznick had a Svengali influence over her. What aspect
would indicate such an influence? The quote from his biographer was that he had found something special in Ms. Jones, 'she was so meek,
so young, so lovely, so entirely ready to be David's creation that she left all responsibility to him.' He sounds like a creep to me! But thenall her planets are in Pisces & in the 7th house so one wants to say, 'it takes 2 to tango.' And there's another quote from her in aninterview: 'When you're young, you're full of hopes & dreams. Later you begin to wonder. I did the 'Song of Bernadette' without knowing
what was going on half the time.' I think that has to be one of the most truly archetypal Piscean statements. But also so tragic about her
daughter's suicide. I also have Virgo rising & I do remember being painfully shy at that age. But I am not a Leo. But I remember once
reading that Virgo is the most thin-skinned of the ascendants . . . & there must have been a lot going on in that household, no?
I just find it interesting to see the charts of people of that period in time because the studio system in Hollywood had such polishedimages behind which other stories were lurking . . . but then they were in the business of story-telling . . .
Good luck with the thread, Isis

My luck came in your post!
No doubt it's not everyone's "cup o tea" here. But I do love to read a chart as an
unfolding story on a life. It can be often, like reading a good book.

Your post gives me the impetus to look once again at her chart and his.
9th house cusp ruler is Mars….her parents her mother in particular, no slouch…
but one who embodies the Mars opinions assertiveness that we are all somewhat familiar with when we study
both Aries & Mars.
Since the Sun/Moon are both in Pisces and in the 7th, I’d think that the parents archetypically, conveyed toJennifer the importance of a union or partnership in one’s life in a marriage.
Her Marriages were destined to be more then one however, with Uranus on the cusp (turmoils frommarriages)…as well as creative men and relationships yet also isolating for her too. Breakups behind thescene perhaps. Creative but volatile ones.
Uranian energy here…..encompasses all of these traits, yet being in late AQ we see this house being ruled byseparating forces……which of course is then a direct inner conflict with the parental image of “partners” for life.
(at least this is how I’m seeing it, knowing nothing yet about her early life ) of childhood.
IF anyone knows about this I’d love to know about her early life and parents.
Her Mars (ruler of the 9th cusp) is found in late Pisces near Fixed Star “Scheat) which portents muchsuffering in life and so it was. Also cementing this is her Mars is conjunct Chiron……hence suffering perhaps
by death (8th hs) (her daughter’s suicide most probable here)
In the pre-conception house (8th), did the mother likewise suffer some tragedy prior to the conception of
Jennifer?
It seems likely……
But it also appears likely that Father was often not around for her, either physically, or emotionally (one or
the other) with Saturn in the 12th house – and likely she developed early on, a need for isolation too….hencechose men who were archetypal of this inner vision (Pallas in AQ)…or separating from her, giving her thepsychological space she knew as a child (from men) i.e. the father.
Ceres is also in later AQ – more cementing of this theme……The “I’ll do my thing and you do yours” of themarriage with Selznick or at least allowing this space for both.
Uranus is strong in Aquarius being the Ruler of the sign.
Neptune in the 12th? Was the mother very religious minded? …Certainly a spirituality about her. Howeveragain with a kind of contradiction here.
“The Song of Bernadette” was very fitting for this lady as a vision of herself perhaps on some level of the subconscious mind.
Neptune is exalted in the 12th the house of it’s Rulership
And Neptune is in harmony with all planets it touches by aspect other then BML & Pallas. (back to the inner
stuff that went perhaps unresolved in this lifetime)
The control to separate herself from too much of a “smothering” relationship found refuge in the men she
chose to be with to enforce this.

Uranus furthermore, opposes Saturn (the father archetype)……and men in general are older or father images, looked up to, but also ones who afford safety & (thought to be in money) reliability or security……..but the
inner turmoil then of the inner person, creates the opposing force(the separativness while still wanting the security that the money afforded her) Probably a great desire forhome / partners, / family / security via money/ (both husbands were quite wealthy)….not like Sigourney
Weaver’s husband, lol.
ASC in Leo conj. Regulus cements further this for me.
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Ex Member« Reply #6 - on: 20.12.2009 at 17:30 [UT] »I just noticed that Jennifer's daughter (Jennifer) had her NN K m mother's Vertex....
I'll need to check the synastry here for them as well .
Just re-reading the little copy & paste from Wikipedia in my beginning post.....I see that the parents were aunited front and partnerhip as archetypes for her (both in Pisces the sign of fantasy & illusion i.e. movies) andin the 7th house of "partnerships"...and marriage which they were both (married and partners in business)
Then there is Neptune I in the 12th, - again, in the original OP - we see Jennifer always was around thistype of thing, (the movie theatre) from little on.....and desired greatly (as I'm sure her mother did ), as aprobable unrealized dream for the mother; (12th house of the unconscious mind), yet in Jennifer her
daughter, this dream was eventually realized.

DAVID SELZNICK (husband & father)
I see that the old axiom “Beware of your Desires, for surely you will attain them ”
I use to have the plaque and think it was Emerson.
I think that thought applies to this husband for Jennifer Jones. The desire for the creative man, seen in her
chart was matched by this man who also gave her the undesireable as well seen in her own chart.
IF his time of birth is accurate (I’d be careful to assume it is but within reason), because the time we have from
L. Rodden is a 10AM (or even on the hour) time.
His D/C cusp is near the Anaretic degree of j …..and I’m thinking it may fall rather into AQ.?
But in either case, ruled by G – and the marriage was stable or at least it did not end in a divorce…but lasted
until he died.
Since we see that k is the entirety of this house and F (luck through his marraige or partnerships)resides
here…..
The idea of a lot of energy being exhibited towards his ends…..aspected by a q O ,…is very creative energy yet
overdone no doubt, as Jupiter F tends towards overdoing …and is also the Ruler of Pisces in the Sidereal
system.,our original astrology
Jennifer is Piscean, hence Jupiter fits very well here as indicating his wife’s own ruler
When we look to the aspects that F makes however, we do see Jennifer’s role in his chart – in the 11th houseof the Masses (the movies) that were created just for her and her pleasure as well as his.
Overly ambitious towards this end……he was (as some say) obsessed with her in a Svengali way, overly
ambitious then, towards putting her in movies he would create esp. for her.
I think that Stellium in the 11th house is representative of this in him.
Interesting too that his B m I at the end of the stellium in a critical degree.
This suggests in c , again a great creativity in the man, seen by others however as “flaky, controlling,menacing, etc”……perhaps the B m I (and Neptune being critical), gives this impression of him…(he wasalways in his own head and rather not terribly conscious then or aware of his head) in Gemini – “scattered” yetcreative – and of course that lousy 2nd deg of Gemini, - the “liar” label he also was assigned by a biographer.
We probably are witnessing in his chart, in the 5th house, the suicide of his beloved only child; with theVertex here with M O but in the 6th house of “woe”; we see
That Saturn G resides (the ruler of his 7th ) as well as Chiron N (the inner wounding)…
this suicide no doubt is being shown here too .
It’s impressive to me that his daughter’s NN is 14.27Cap, her mother’s Vertex is 15Cap and her father’s
Chiron is 14.27 Cap.
What a story………….you can’t make this stuff up!

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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« Reply #7 - on: 21.12.2009 at 13:01 [UT] »Dear Jehanne,Your astrological knowledge is far beyond mine but I am here to learn & your posts contain SO muchinformation. I wish I could respond better to your posts. But you asked about more background regarding Ms.
Jones's life so I'll quote more from that article:
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Gender:Ms. Jones was born Phylis Lee Isley, the only child of Philip & Flora Mae Isley. Her parents owned & starred in
the Isley Stock Company, a tent-show theatrical troupe that toured the rural Midwest. As a child she spent her
summers taking tickets, selling candy & acting in the company. After a year at Northwestern University, she
moved to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts, where she was cast as Elizabeth Barrett opposite Robert
Walker's Robert Browning in 'the Barretts of Wimpole Street'. The two soon married & on their honeymoon in1939 they went to Hollywood, where they found bit roles.
You ask great questions & sorry I couldn't come up with more. I also wondered about that Neptune in the 12th
& all the Piscean planets in the 7th what her religious background could be? And what exactly did she bring to
the table regarding relationship? I mean a part from idealization of the other person? What exactly did drive
Robert Walker to drink excessively? It also states that he died in 1951 at the age of 32 because of emotional &drinking problems due to, he said, the loss of Ms. Jones.
Some pretty fateful stuff . . . Isis

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Ex Member« Reply #8 - on: 21.12.2009 at 17:14 [UT] »to Isis-Madonna:
REF:

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I also wondered about that Neptune in the 12th & all the Piscean planets in the 7th what her religious background could be? And what
exactly did she bring to the table regarding relationship? I mean a part from idealization of the other person? What exactly did drive
Robert Walker to drink excessively? It also states that he died in 1951 at the age of 32 because of emotional & drinking problems due to,he said, the loss of Ms. Jones.

I should have clarified, that this is the way I begin to look at a natal chart (by habit) now:
http://www.atmann.net/tma.htm
So using this theory & method; I would ascertain for myself, that the 12th house planets are representative ofwhat the mother of Jennifer Jones (Mrs. Isley), during and up to the conception.....(her overall psychologicalstatus), had either "wished for, hoped for, didn't actualize, but yet was there within the woman" .......
for example:
My 1st child has 9th house cusp (O in g conj. closely to the cusp itself)..the aspects to this planet are mostly
very
harmonious i.e. ( a p G qEpDqCrB as well as an nB ) and in the 12th house
she was born with F (a beneficial planet for her) in a critical deg.of j (0j)Now what was the mother doing in and around the time of her birth? What was her deeper psychological state
like?
This plays into the child or fetus, you will attract to you...not to say of course there are not other factors, suchas the Soul you are attracting to you, will have their own traits of course and not be inheriting yours per se.
Only that you will attract to you a soul akin to the needs of what the mother is feeling,
In this daughter's case..O serves her well, and her mother (me), was into metaphysical things at that time, allof which were quite harmonious to her own soul and served her (me) very well. The F in the 12th, was very
possibly the joy of this study, but also the wish internally to be free of constraints(psychologically speaking),
also. This child now is one who
Hence the daughter (1st born), is attracted to the mother (and father) who allows for the expresssion of theirown vibration which is somewhat "akin" to the parents.
(not exactly, but I said, "akin" ) to that vibration attracted to them.
In the case of my 2nd born child - 9th house cusp is ruled by the B F (2nd co-ruler of Cancer)
9th L. B in d is oDF
and pC........so there is a "mixed bag" then, of emotions and inner stuff goingon with the mother during the conception and drawing her to us.
The pre conception house (the 8th), has POF, G & the SN and as I recall during her conception and birth, there
was still some "angst" for me, concerning my father, his strokes, and all the garbage of his being in my life had
not yet been resolved for me........so we see then the father (G of the mother), and possibly the unresolved
issues she felt during this time. , i.e. SN near the critical Anaretic degree
In HER 12th house, lies O and the aspects are mostly harmonious for her. Which helps her and shows that themother was dealing quite "ok" with her concerns at that time.
Her O in the 12th pG (she is as self-disciplined as I am); Quindecile to C
(a very creative person andextremely intelligent who can "solve" problems well) - q to the NN which helps her. But there is also a OnE(perhaps the rebellion of her mother being shown here.........and indeed, in her own way, she too can rebel inlife in ways that seem rather original or strange to the commonly acceptable ways of society)
So with this in mind, as to how I'm looking at Jennifer Jones chart:
Jennifer had:no planets in the house of conception, the 9th, but the Ruler of this house is E which is found in the 8th(near the 7th in the whole houses), hence, a sexually interested person, but marriage and committment
conscious at the same time.
The "overall" condition of her natal E of course is very important to her life as well, (being the ruler of theconception house) is as follows:1)Sits between the B and N (will have everchanging fortunes in life, because of the location of the B2)This "ever changing fortune" may include some seriously sad times for her (** critical deg.of E at 28lconnected to fixed star "Scheat" at this degree magnifies the seriousness of the misfortune (connected to
Chiron)3)Check out that massive stellium in the pre-conception & marriage house for Jennifer Jones!
...all of these planets will then play a huge role for her in her life as it unfolds4)Uranus O at the cusp of the 7th, (marriage house and committed relationships) promises her that thehusband(s) or those she is committed to in life, will be as earlier outlines....(some unstableness here, someduress, extremes in one way or another as Uranus is the "extremes" as well in life.
5)I in her 12th, is showing us, (as with my two examples earlier), the mother (her mother)'s ever abiding
spiritual faith (not necessarily religion mainstream at all), but overall spirituality, that takes her through life andit's travails as they come.
So Neptune is strong in it's own house, the 12th!...........
6)G in the same house, is the missing father archetype, (which caused her to search for a substitutefather,perhaps

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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« Reply #9 - on: 22.12.2009 at 01:51 [UT] »Ref: Quote:
What exactly did drive Robert Walker to drink excessively? It also states that he died in 1951 at the age of 32 because of emotional &drinking problems due to, he said, the loss of Ms. Jones.
Some pretty fateful stuff . . . Isis

REF: Quote:On 1/20/1940, Jennifer married Robert Walker, exactly one year after they first met. They had two sons together, Robert Walker, Jr. born
4/15/1940, and Michael Walker, born 3/13/1941. Unfortunately, as Jennifer’s star rose, their marriage fell apart, and they divorced in
March 1944.

Some times it's easier to find the parents in the childrens charts then in the adults themselves.
Meaning that the time that they were together, spanned the early days of these two kids.
So the children "Are the time and the place" so to speak........they reflect in their natal chart their mother's own
psychology then, and some have gone so far as to call the natal chart, our mother's transit chart.
Since this marriage only lasted a short while, (less then 5 yrs.) and in this period of time the two kids wereborn back to back...perhaps looking at their natal will tell us more about the whys and wherefores of
their mother at this time in her life:
THE HUSBAND ROBERT WALKER: (BIO says he exhibited some schizophrenic behaviors and very possibly thena manic depressive with Alcoholism which exacerbated the problems:His B at 1k m fixed star "Altair" which often brings problems in the life but sometimes, when the B we aretalking the emotional nature of the person. Sarah Palin has this star mC.......For her "it works"....thus far.
But for Mr. Walker, I doubt it worked well at all....First in AQ, an air sign in a house like the 8th, (ruled naturally
by Scorpio), this would no doubt then "undermine" when connected to such a star as Altair (the Eagle) ....kindof an ego booster for people who at least have a "healthier" ego....then he has. His was plagued by some typeof mental illness they think,and reflected then by the opposite house and n O and I in the "Axis of Desire" the 2nd/8th houses.
Then there is the equally or even more serious problem of his natal O in the 9th house of the higher mind , n(stressed to) G in a degree known as an alcoholic degree (IF) other factors support same in a life.
In his case, the "other factors supported same) in this chart. Uranus for one, in airy AQ, but in the opp in the
3rd to Saturn, (a malefic) in a critical degree....not good! Note that his natal
G also opposes his MC.
C lord of the chart found conj. M in g 19°, or Via Combusta, the Burning Way:
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/via_combusta.html
Via Combusta - A problematic area of the zodiac between 15° Libra and 15° Scorpio. It is especially difficult for
the Moon.
I must admit it does help to "know" the story to fit the pieces of the puzzle.....
BUT also in that regard, IF the puzzle pieces are round and the hole is square, they wouldn't fit anyway would
they?
With Gemini Rising and SAG at the D/C cusp in late degree and seeing Jennifer Jones natal, I would havepredicted the marriage would never have lasted anyway.......
But it did produce two sons. Let's look at their charts for clues too of the marriage and parents lives as youwere wondering about.

Synastry chart w/ Jennifer Jones:

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Ex Member« Reply #10 - on: 23.12.2009 at 18:52 [UT] »In Mary Jennifer's chart, Chiron exactly opposing Uranus andconjunct Moon in the 4th house is associated with depression.
There were at least two other suicides or attempted ones
discussed in earlier threads which had this Chiron-Uranus oppositon.
She also has Mars/Saturn transiting her Uranus and Uranus overher Saturn. Transiting Lucifer at 26/48 Cancer exactly with transiting
Mars.
Hylonome, the suicide centaur, Hades, Lucifer and Varuna arein her 8th house.
Hades at 3/49 Taurus exactly opposing Saturn.
Lucifer at 23/45 Aries exactly opposing Neptune.
Jupiter and Typhon are transiting Varuna, opposed by transiting
Ixion over Malin ("the Devil") on other end.
Chaos, Chiron and Cerberus transiting her 8th house too.
Transiting Malin at 19/1 Aquarius exactly opposing her Sun.
Transiting Hades conjuncts Algol.

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Ex Member« Reply #11 - on: 23.12.2009 at 18:53 [UT] »In Mary Jennifer's chart, Chiron exactly opposing Uranus andconjunct Moon in the 4th house is associated with depression.
There were at least two other suicides or attempted ones
discussed in earlier threads which had this Chiron-Uranus oppositon.
She also has Mars/Saturn transiting her Uranus and Uranus overher Saturn. Transiting Lucifer at 26/48 Cancer exactly with transiting
Mars.
Hylonome, the suicide centaur, Hades, Lucifer and Varuna arein her 8th house.
Hades at 3/49 Taurus exactly opposing Saturn.
Lucifer at 23/45 Aries exactly opposing Neptune.
Jupiter and Typhon are transiting Varuna, opposed by transiting
Ixion over Malin ("the Devil") on the other end.
Chaos, Chiron and Cerberus transiting her 8th house too.
Transiting Malin at 19/1 Aquarius exactly opposing her Sun.
Transiting Hades conjuncts Algol.

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Ex Member« Reply #12 - on: 24.12.2009 at 02:06 [UT] »The two progeny of Jennifer Jones with Robert Walker produced:
the eldest son R. Walker, Jr.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Robert_Walker,_Jr.
and the younger one named Michael , who is now deceased (reasons unknown)
accdg.to Wikipedia:
Personal life
Walker Jr. married Eleanor "Ellie" Wood, of Maysville, Kentucky, in the 1960s. They lived in Arroyo Seco, New
Mexico for many years and had three children. Ellie appeared as the titular Amazonian super-heroine in Wonder
Woman: "Who's Afraid of Diana Prince?" [1] Their marriage eventually failed; the reasons are not publicly
known.
Robert's second wife was Judy Claire Walker (maiden name, Motulsky). They had two children, Jordan Walker(born May 26 1982) and Colette Walker (born July 16th 1984).
Robert is now married to Dawn Walker, his third wife, and they have two children - Henry and Emily.
Walker's younger brother, Michael Walker, died on December 27, 2007. The causes and circumstancesof his death remain publicly unknown.
According to the INernet Movie Database, (see Wikipedia Link) the eldest R.Walker,Jr.:
Born at Queens Hospital on April 14, 1940, he experienced severe emotional upheavals in his childhood.
His parents separated when Robert was only three, and at age 9 and his stepfather became the powerfulfilm mogul David O. Selznick, who by this time had already taken firm control of his mother's career.
His mother suffered a miscarriage in 1950 and his severely depressed father, who had never recoveredfrom losing his wife, died a year later at age 32 of respiratory failure after suffering an acute reaction to aprescriptive sedative. Neither his mother nor Robert Jr. attended the funeral.
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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« Reply #13 - on: 24.12.2009 at 02:22 [UT] »Since we have a few of the more important events of the sons lives, concerning their parents;
we should be able to see th parents in their charts too. The father with his despair, and alcoholism problems,
his death J o A 4th hs , as well as the Mother Jennifer and her 2nd marriage and divorce from Robert Walker,(their father).
From all that has been written about them publically, it doesn't appear that the sons had a good relationshipwith their dad, after the mother divorced him, and possibly nor prior.
(G = father in the 12th house)...A o J Jo F, may show us the father's death and passing from the home
life (4th) ....as well.
We can see by using Tad Manns ' psychological age progressed " in the natal chart of the eldest son, the divorce
that took place and took a great toll on the child.
It can be seen at age 3 by the "Registration" of his natal POF which squares his natal Uranus (Seperation andturmoil) and the ASC. being squared at age 3.
The new life, (age 9) ....? I'd say it was more like age 8, for that is when Robert's natal
Neptune is "registered" using Mann's method in the 5th house of love affairs, and also the aspects to Neptune
are then activated for him psychologically as well.
The parents divorce, the new man (Selznick).....no doubt took quite a toll on othe boy, and his own marriages
and relationships also suffered with this Uranian effect....coupled with Neptune's registration.
Note that the Registering Neptune in the 5th at age 8 - opposes the M as well as C in the opposite house.
Note that opposing C is conjunct fixed star "Scheat" (misfortune in life)
much sadness here.
Can anyone see where in this chart lies his stepfather? The Derivative house of the mother's 2nd husband? I'dtake the mother to be cusp 4 but others might say house 10?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_housesee chart here:
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Walker%2C_Robert_Hudson

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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90

Ex Member« Reply #14 - on: 24.12.2009 at 02:53 [UT] »On Michael's Tribute site, by a fan of the youngest son of Jennifer Jones & Robert Walker,
is a rather comprehensive time line of events leading to the eventual breakdown (and breakup) of themarriage, including the fact that he had his first breakdown when he read that Mr.Selznick had divorced his firstwife (in 1945)......This would no doubt mean that he knew his wife Jennifer was dating Selznick, and that themarriage to her was indeed over for good.
When we check for the registration of the age for him in 1945 in her 1st husband Robert Walker's natal
chart, we can see that Ceres is in the 7th house of marriage and that Ceres represents "Nurture" in every
form. IN this case, the marriage .
Ceres is also promising in his natal chart to be quite harsh in his life, oJ ....
And when Robert [b]Walker was 27 yrs.of age, his natal "Ceres"[/b] o J Registers using the Mannmethod. He knew that there was no hope any longer with Jennifer as a family or a husband.

Youngest Son Michael R Walker and website devoted to his father's memory, and included the son's photo andbiography/photos:
http://www.robertwalkertribute.com/michaelrwalker.htm
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Walker%2C_Michael
Here are some lovely photos of Michael & his father before it all fell apart:
http://www.robertwalkertribute.com/gallery/michael_walker
We can see that Michael's Uranus/12th house Saturn isn't unlike his brother's missing father.
But in Michael's case, it's his A m fixed star "Scheat" whereas in his older brother's case, it's his natal C conj.
this star.
Remember, the connection to Jennifer (their mom) who is was
the 7th /8th m "Scheat" as well. (misfortune in life)

l and curiously enough, her own natal E in

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Re: Actress Jennifer Jones dies at 90« Reply #15 - on: 24.12.2009 at 03:03 [UT] »To put into perspective a rather well read thread, Jennifer Jones actually died after burying two of her own
children, a girl Mary Jennifer, and younger son Michael who died in 2007 (cause unknown):
http://www.nndb.com/people/809/000063620/
Here is another TimeLine for Jennifer Jones:
http://hiwaay.net/~oliver/jjtimeline.htm
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