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Chaos
Ex MemberDrugs for every sign, legal or illegal« on: 19.01.2008 at 12:34 [UT] »I wonderCould there be drugs who fits signs...
This is may be not a such serious thread, but things may be light hearted as well, sometimes
Trippy stuff, like LSD or mushroom, i would accord to F, I, l and/ or i, due to the fact that like to escapefrom this reality for a whileCocaïne i would accord to status oriented j, and/ or e, it's expensive, if you can pay for it, you made it...
Speed, Amfetamines i would accord to c, C, O and/ or f, sometimes i wonder if any c has speed buitl into
their system, due to their fast tempo of movement
Wine... conventional drug, for b, or pot could fit them well too, they like to relax, take it slow... wine cause
Taurus usually obeys the law
Ketamine, a horse sedative, unsual, for k
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DahliaEx Member

Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #1 - on: 19.01.2008 at 13:02 [UT] »Cocaine is a drug I would never, ever advice a Capricorn to use. It's too strong.
But I know leos who have used it and have died because of it. Cocaine is just not good.
It's way too addictive to any sign.
And I agree that Weed fits quite perfectly to Taureans, but also Scorpios.
Virgomoon: if you suffer from tension, relaxants could help you.
There are muscle-relaxants and then, of course, valium.
Neither one of these are addictive unless you use them daily.

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Eros*
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #2 - on: 19.01.2008 at 13:08 [UT] »I have planets mostly in cbh I did not have the chance to use many drugs but i enjoyed seeds with lsa

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Chaos

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #3 - on: 19.01.2008 at 13:13 [UT] »Quote from Dahlia on 19.01.2008 at 13:02 [UT]:
Cocaine is a drug I would never, ever advice a Capricorn to use. It's too strong.
But I know leos who have used it and have died because of it. Cocaine is just not good.
It's way too addictive to any sign.
And I agree that Weed fits quite perfectly to Taureans, but also Scorpios.
Virgomoon: if you suffer from tension, relaxants could help you.
There are muscle-relaxants and then, of course, valium.
Neither one of these are addictive unless you use them daily.

Weed for h?
why, is it not to relaxed for them?
Cocain is indeed no good, but smoking also is no good
Ppl who use it, know that...
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #4 - on: 19.01.2008 at 13:38 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 19.01.2008 at 13:13 [UT]:

Cocain is indeed no good, but smoking also is no good
Ppl who use it, know that...

Urban75 has a pretty good resource:
http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/index.html
I like the page that lists drug related deaths per year:
Drug deaths:______1994___1996
Methadone________259_____357
Heroin_____________90______187
Temazepan_______165_______95
Amphetamin_______20_______29
Cocaine/Crack______21______15
Ecstasy____________23______12
Cannabis___________12______4
LSD_________________1_______0
Sources: Social Trends, pub. Office of National Statistics, based on research from the Institute for the Study ofDrug Dependence. These figures cover 1994-6, and are reproduced as released by the ONS. 1999
UK drug death figures: deaths per annum
Alcohol[1]_________4,235
Tobacco[1]________120,000
The Herb[1,2]______1
LSD[1]_____________0
Peanuts[3]_________7
Viagra[3]___________7
Ecstasy[1]__________4[1] Hansard figures for 1995.
[2] Death caused by inhaling vomit [Lord's Hansard report on medicinal cannabis][3] BBC news
kinda puts things in perspective...
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Whitacre

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #5 - on: 19.01.2008 at 14:13 [UT] »Although the information above is nice to have on hand, I think this is a rather interesting topic to focus on,
and not worry about the deaths and legalities of the subject. It sucks that death and the law are associated withdrugs, but its a fact of life.
However, I think being able to see what kind of person is attracted to a specific substance is not only interesting
information, but helpful in the long run.
So does anyone have any more info or insight as to what kind of drugs relate most with the signs?
I am personally a Virgo rising, Scorpio sun, and Capricorn moon.
My drugs of choice are cigarettes, pot and anything that keeps you awake or gives you energy (not justspeed...don't forget caffeine and/or those energy drinks everyone seems addicted too) and my wine...or otherfine drinks (Amaretto and Sour is my fav if there isnt a good wine selection when I feel like a drink with dinner)
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #6 - on: 19.01.2008 at 14:51 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 19.01.2008 at 12:34 [UT]:
I wonderCould there be drugs who fits signs...
This is may be not a such serious thread, but things may be light hearted as well, sometimes
Trippy stuff, like LSD or mushroom, i would accord towhileCocaïne i would accord to status oriented
Speed, Amfetamines i would accord to

F, I, l and/ or i, due to the fact that like to escape from this reality for aj, and/ or e, it's expensive, if you can pay for it, you made it...

c, C, O and/ or f, sometimes i wonder if any c has speed buitl into their system, due to theirfast tempo of movement
Wine... conventional drug, forb, or pot could fit them well too, they like to relax, take it slow... wine cause Taurus usually obeys the law

Ketamine, a horse sedative, unsual, fork

I used to take plenty of this stuff to enhance and deepen my sense of reality, most of the time with positive
outcomes. The idea of escape was antithetical to my interest in these substances!

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Chaos

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #7 - on: 19.01.2008 at 15:31 [UT] »To be quite honest... i've anything once or more...
But now i'm a good boy...
I smoke pot once in the two, three months... And I like to drink a beer or a glass of white wine
And my favourite stronger drink is Tequila... although it tastes like nothing
I was quite found of coke, but that was just experimenting... I liked it, but I found it too much money for what
is was...
I have Sun in 10, so you could compare this a bit to j
I have a natal AnIoB
And all my experiences have learnt that i achieve the most high and pleasant high after 1 or 2 beers or glasses
white wine... you're pleasant, not yet drunk but a bit tipsy, and you won't wake up with a hangover.
Oh yeah, if we consider 'sex' a drug, give it to h (and later on to each sign)

And LSD seems to safe, you won't die from it, but it could give you psychosis...
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Member« Reply #8 - on: 19.01.2008 at 21:17 [UT] »I've noticed a lot of Virgo's/Gemini's that prefer smoking pot because it helps slow down their mental/restlessenergy.
Scorpio, Aries, and Leo that have not learned their lessons about doing things excessively, take too much of
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I think now that Saturn is retrograde in Virgo-- I've noticed a lot more people are "cleaning up"-- myself
included. I need to purify my mind-- Saturn is retrograding right over my sun.

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mountain

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #9 - on: 20.01.2008 at 02:24 [UT] »Hi y'all--How about upping the ante on this cool thread!
Test yr drug/astro IQ:

1. Which sign is most likely to have been forced into childhood prostitution to support Mom's crack habit?
2. Which sign is least likely to understand that Afghanistan is now a failed state due to the Taliban's use of
drug money to support their military operations? And that Afghan farmers find that growing poppies for theEuropean heroin market to be far more lucrative than growing food to feed their families? Which sign is mostable to be able to define "failed state" and its repercussions on the citizenry or or give a hoot about
Afghanistan?
3. Which sun-sign of the Pluto-in-Leo (baby boomer) generation is most likely to feel some responsibility for
how their youthful search for self awareness via LSD led to use of these hallucinogens by kids whose brains
hadn't matured? [Timothy Leary, rusty??]
4. Which 11th house sign is most likely to have known 3 people who ODd?
5. Why is it that meth addiction is sweeping rural America, despite the fact that meth addicts come from awide range of sun-signs?
6. Which Neptune house or sign placement understands how the drug cartels have taken over any pretext ofrights for the citizens of Columbia? We infer that status-craving Leos use cocaine as the drug of choice (thanx,
Chaos!) but how many Leos know what is the impact of the refined coca trade on what was once merely anherb used by indigenous Colombian people? Anyone up on the defoliation of their lands by the US
government's eradication efforts?
8. Which sun-sign really gives a damn about any of the global drug-trade realities behind his or her"recreational" or dedicated addictive drug usage, feeling that drug use is a victimless crime?
Love to all, mountain (undigested 12th house Saturn in Virgo here)

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Ex Member« Reply #10 - on: 20.01.2008 at 02:39 [UT] »Quote from mountain on 20.01.2008 at 02:24 [UT]:We infer that status-craving Leos use cocaine as the drug of choice (thanx, Chaos!) but how many Leos know what is the impact of therefined coca trade on what was once merely an herb used by indigenous Colombian people?

For the record e's don't crave status...status is 10th house e is 5th and craves recognition for creative
efforts..... nor do e's specifically crave cocaine or...a lecture for that matter.
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Matrika Matters

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #11 - on: 20.01.2008 at 02:49 [UT] »Quote from mountain on 20.01.2008 at 02:24 [UT]:Love to all

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, mountain (undigested 12th house Saturn in Virgo here)

The love was not at all evident. The anger was very clearly conveyed.

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Renee12456
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #12 - on: 20.01.2008 at 03:00 [UT] »Sag sun and rising and I think my pattern of drug use is typical of the sign: I've done everything once or
twice, just to see what it was like. I was happy for the experience so I can speak first-hand, got addicted toexactly nothing, and kept moving right along.
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mountain

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #13 - on: 20.01.2008 at 03:14 [UT] »Vivi and Renee--Thanks for your feedback. I think being judgmental is a vastly under-rated quality. Everyone's
got a judgmental streak somewhere, usually by Saturn placement. Many live-and-let-live types are very
judgmental about people who are not. I note that my Saturn's opposing sign is Pisces--the one stereotyped bysome astrology cookbooks as the escapist drug-taker. Shadow material here for me? No doubt. But there's
also a slippery slope to some of the abuses I indicated in my previous message if people are unwilling to take astand for fear of appearing judgmental.
Each of us has our own take on astrology--and drugs. Mine happens to be soul-centered and choice centered.
Does everyone have to feel this way, in my judgment? Of course not. Are some recreational and addicted
drug users unwilling to look at the global economic, social, and political implications of the drug trade and thereal harm it causes a lot of little kids? I believe so.
Anyone here had a parent who was an alcoholic or drug addict?
Tough love is still love.
With all good wishes, mountain
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VivishaEx Member

Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #14 - on: 20.01.2008 at 03:20 [UT] »Quote:
Anyone here had a parent who was an alcoholic or drug addict?

yes...your point being?
Quote:
Everyone's got a judgmental streak somewhere

your judgements are your business..it is not always necessary to make them everyone else's.
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Ex Member« Reply #15 - on: 20.01.2008 at 03:50 [UT] »Uh oh, Mountain woke up on the wrong side of the mountain this morning!
Drugs can be destructive when abused but taking a hard stance on them, throwing a generation of young
people into the overcrowded prison systems for possession of small quantities like we have been doing has
been destructive here in the states. Our culture has grown courser and more violent since the "War on Drugs"
began as more and more people,many of whom face it, are going to experiment with drugs, are being
processed through this "justice" system.
Agree that meth is a major problem, I've seen some real train wrecks in these parts, never tried it myself,
seemsa and E to me- an adrenal-sexual thrill ride, but the down is verrry down, knew a guy who threw himself
onto the freeway- now that was d o w n. The meth epidemic wont make the news like crack did because mostly
white people have taken it so far. Lawmakers haven't panicked yet and called out the dogs (expect G in f
could change things)
I wont get into what drugs I have experimented with, I used to have long hair, go to Dead shows and have agood time. Does feel very g(pot), i(acid) and l(shrooms). Now I just drink coffee c? and have a beer oncein a while b?
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Renee12456
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #16 - on: 20.01.2008 at 04:17 [UT] »Hey, Mountain, that was Vivi and Matrika, not me.
I think coffee is Aries.
Meth has gotten a huge amount of attention, to the point that I can't buy decent decongestants anymore
without having to ask for them behind the counter and sign for them in a book that the pharmacist is held
accountable for. Only so many per month, too. Sudafed used to be a decent help for my allergies along withan antihistamine, but they've changed the formula because people were using it to make meth, and now theover-the-counter stuff is not worth a hoot.
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Ex Member« Reply #17 - on: 20.01.2008 at 04:52 [UT] »I'd say some of these drugs could be looked at with the lifestyle it brings.......ecstasy, lsd, mushies and the likeare part of a culture these days......Ketamine could be seen as a off shoot of this culture too.
I would look at the 11th......friends......I have neptune and mars there.......in sag......and i can tell you i had agood 5-8 years in the scene/ culture......and it was very friends orientated.....and i am glad i had those times
too.
in extention of the topic.......
Interesting to note, that most indigenous tribes on the planet have had a use for mind altering
substances.....at some time or another.....there is even thoughts that todays western people wouldnt be where
they are today without these substances. It seems to me, the problem with drugs is the need for secrecy inmaking them, leading to harmful substances being made, and the money involved in them.....heroin, speed andcocaine i would agree are stuffing some people up....(and the governments are profiting) but i would also saythat things that "trip" people out have been used for eons....and therefore i think should be investigatedanthropologically to an extent. Take ayahuasca, for example......a herb used in parts of the amazon, that bringson hallucinations that the shaman of the tribe can work with to see the future.....they even give that
hallucinogen to 6 year olds in there tribes to see what there future will bring.....and the shaman of the group is
the guide....
It seems to me, that western society is the only group in the world that doesnt allow these drugs, that allow forseeing other realities......only alcohol, which i think deadens this reality......funny that!

I would like to ask chaos for permission to add terence mc kennas chart to this thread.......he has studied
copious drugs in an extension of anthropology...........and has personally tried most of them.....his chart could
tell us all alot......but let me know
I would like to add that i dont promote drug taking......too much hassels with the law and what not.
And my drug taking days are over.......except caffeine and tobacco....my only two vices.
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Ex Member« Reply #18 - on: 20.01.2008 at 05:56 [UT] »Vivisha, I can't possibly make judgments for you. I don't. I'm not interested in it. My point about people
having parents (or SOs, whomever) who are or were drug addicts or alcoholics is that one can get a very
different perspective on drugs (of which alcohol is one) when you are on the receiving end of these people's
behaviour. My S0 went through a period of bingeing and becoming violent towards me and suicidal by turns.
When my mother became an alcoholic near the end of her life, I was the one who cleaned her feces off of herbathroom walls. So exusez moi if I get a bit saturnine here.
But why the judgmental stance towards me? Could it be that deliberately ignoring the links between theindividual's drug use, whether "recreational" or addicted, and the very real problems with drug cartels,
Afghanistan as a narco-state, and the havoc wreaked on the lives of Colombia's indigenous people is the real"escapism" here?
With all good wishes, and love. mountain
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mountain

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Ex Member« Reply #19 - on: 20.01.2008 at 06:31 [UT] »Peregrine--sorry for your tough early experiences.
I absolutely support your statement:
i would be more likely to have a go at the society and governments that condone it, and look at the needs ofthe people trapped in a society they have no real say over.
Yes, governments do tacitly or openly support drug trafficking in various ways. And yes, they often turn ablind eye to the needs of their most vulnerable members.
My experiences don't privilege my views over others, but they don't make them less legitimate, either. I do
believe that some people are unwilling or unable to look at the big realities behind their seemingly "nonjudgmental attitudes". Because it appears to me to be a kind of "vote" by default for what goes on in places
where drugs have a very real and negative impact upon people. Frankly, I'm sure finding some judgmental
views towards my take on drugs in this thread!
With all good wishes, mountain
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seahorse12
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #20 - on: 20.01.2008 at 08:14 [UT] »THAT exactly fits THIS Sag to the T!
AND the whole concept here seems quite boring to me, which is generically a Sag problem. I've got betterthings to do (or rather too MANY things to do, than sit around and drink or whatever). Also, while someone
once told me all his 'puffer friends were Sag' the oxymoron of this is that Sag is the HONESTY sign so I wonder
if to core of the Sag, that sneaky illegal aspect rubs them the wrong way.
I wonder what the generic aspect of this query is. Personally, I am not compelled to ANY drugs OTC or
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under...must be some Virgo aspect of me. My mom is alway hassling me to go to the doctor and get a
medication and I'm just so abstinant about the concept. Maybe the water side of me just makes me toooversensitive to anything, including caffeine. {ok, I'll stop here!

}"Which 11th house sign is most likely to have known 3 people who ODd?"
THIS IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION! I know many who fit that 'piece of the pie!'
Quote from Renee12456 on 20.01.2008 at 03:00 [UT]:
Sag sun and rising and I think my pattern of drug use is typical of the sign: I've done everything once or twice, just to see what it was
like. I was happy for the experience so I can speak first-hand, got addicted to exactly nothing, and kept moving right along.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #21 - on: 20.01.2008 at 12:08 [UT] »Quote from Peregrine on 20.01.2008 at 04:52 [UT]:
I would like to ask chaos for permission to add terence mc kennas chart to this thread.......he has studied copious drugs in an extension ofanthropology...........and has personally tried most of them.....his chart could tell us all alot......but let me know

You don't need my permission, independent k rising...
The scene... the scene... I like rave parties, most of my friends too... but i have those friends and other friends,
who are more the quiet type, listening to Nick Cave & co and I amuse myself also with them... (but they candrink excessively)
My Moon is the ruler of my 11th house and oI
And I profoundly detest psychedelics... (f rising and B, all sense of control is lost)I grew up with a heroin addicted brother and I wonder sometimes why he isn't dead yet... In my puberty I
hated all illegal drugs (except pot, but I smoked rarely)...
When arriving in the town where I study, i took on 'let's try anything' attutide...
Some experiences were nice, some not... And the experiences who weren't nice, I consider them as not nice dueto the consequences of them
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Re: Don’t you you just l-o-v-e our progressive, op« Reply #22 - on: 20.01.2008 at 12:40 [UT] »Don’t you you just l-o-v-e our progressive, open-minded and insightful era? Now we can bring drugs into ourastrological discussions and match drugs with signs. Those poor ancient astrologers had such paltry little lives
and limited intellectual capacities. We’re pretty f...ing cool.
It would just be pathetic if it weren’t so sickening. People who can lightly and ‘open-mindedly’ chatter away
about drugs are frightening and, frankly, deserve the disaster drugs will inevitably bring into their lives.
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Renee12456

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Ex Member« Reply #23 - on: 20.01.2008 at 12:51 [UT] »Drugs don't automatically bring disaster into your life, dad. Calm down now, take it easy ...

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starcloudEx Member

Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #24 - on: 20.01.2008 at 17:53 [UT] »Sorry I scared anyone with my past experiences with drugs. Sorry I deserve for my life to crash and burnbecause of the pot I smoked in the 80's. At least it will free up the messageboard for those who just said "No"to drugs all there lives
I didn't hear anyone bragging about their experiences or recommending it for others. Most of us are glad forexperiences and have moved on.
old story: Two Zen monks were walking along one day when they came to a small swiftly flowing river. On the
shore a young woman stood and cried because she couldn't get across. The first brother put her on his back,and the three waded across to the other side. She gratefully bowed to the monk and walked away. As the twocontinued on the second said to the first "why did you put her on your back?! That is unbecoming for a monk,
women are dangerous for us! You shouldn't have done that!" The first monk said, "Yes, but I put her downwhen we reached the other side. Why are you still carrying her?"
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #25 - on: 20.01.2008 at 19:09 [UT] »Quote from starcloud on 20.01.2008 at 17:53 [UT]:
I didn't hear anyone bragging about their experiences or recommending it for others. Most of us are glad for experiences and have movedon.

°applause°
I didn't mean for this to be so controversial, but I like debate and knowing the point of view of other people,
even if they don't agree with my point of view
Taken from a Mountains' reply
1. Which sign is most likely to have been forced into childhood prostitution to support Mom's crack habit?
Pisces or Scorpio or may be ppl with a BI aspect where the line between what you feel and what mum feels
is not so clear
2. Which sign is least likely to understand that Afghanistan is now a failed state due to the Taliban's use of
drug money to support their military operations? And that Afghan farmers find that growing poppies for theEuropean heroin market to be far more lucrative than growing food to feed their families? Which sign is mostable to be able to define "failed state" and its repercussions on the citizenry or or give a hoot about
Afghanistan?
I'd say Pisces, but Pisces is a universal sign, so I'd go with Gemini, although they know a lot about actuality. I
don't know
3. Which sun-sign of the Pluto-in-Leo (baby boomer) generation is most likely to feel some responsibility for
how their youthful search for self awareness via LSD led to use of these hallucinogens by kids whose brains
hadn't matured? [Timothy Leary, rusty??]
Libra or Capricorn... latter sign has a scapegoat tendency and feels sometimes responsable for all the wrong in
the world
4. Which 11th house sign is most likely to have known 3 people who ODd?
Pisces or Sagittarius
5. Why is it that meth addiction is sweeping rural America, despite the fact that meth addicts come from awide range of sun-signs?
May be cause they don't live in a big town and everything could seem boring to the youth in rural America.
There's no thing to do and they are bored, may be they also don't have a goal, a focus... so then they could
easily go into meth
6. Which Neptune house or sign placement understands how the drug cartels have taken over any pretext ofrights for the citizens of Columbia? We infer that status-craving Leos use cocaine as the drug of choice (thanx,
Chaos!) but how many Leos know what is the impact of the refined coca trade on what was once merely anherb used by indigenous Colombian people? Anyone up on the defoliation of their lands by the US
government's eradication efforts?
Neptune in Scorpio or Saggitarius? And Neptune in a universal house (9 until 12)?
8. Which sun-sign really gives a damn about any of the global drug-trade realities behind his or her"recreational" or dedicated addictive drug usage, feeling that drug use is a victimless crime?
I think the more personal signs, Aries, Taurus, Gemini or Cancer...
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Ex Member« Reply #26 - on: 20.01.2008 at 21:29 [UT] »I actually think this thread generated a good discussion. And count me in among people who did a few andthen moved on. I have to note that recreational and addictive drugs in astrology technically are ruled by
Pisces, Neptune, and the 12th house. This should cover off both the escapists as well as the oh-so-enlightened
Boomers "tripping out" on LSD and mescaline; and their mystical experiences as well as "bad trips." Myrulership book is old-fashioned in that it doesn't include Chiron. It indicates drugs for medical purposes as
including Neptune, but also health-oriented Virgo, surgical Scorpio, and old-age Saturn. I'd look to Saturn tosee what would be the final outcome of someone's drug use: he's the cosmic book-keeper. And to moreesoteric discussions of 12th chord energies.
Cheers, mountain
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #27 - on: 20.01.2008 at 21:39 [UT] »Quote from seahorse08 on 20.01.2008 at 08:14 [UT]:THAT exactly fits THIS Sag to the T!
AND the whole concept here seems quite boring to me, which is generically a Sag problem. I've got better things to do (or rather too
MANY things to do, than sit around and drink or whatever).
Quote from Renee12456 on 20.01.2008 at 03:00 [UT]:
Sag sun and rising and I think my pattern of drug use is typical of the sign: I've done everything once or twice, just to see
what it was like. I was happy for the experience so I can speak first-hand, got addicted to exactly nothing, and kept
moving right along.

I third that - as Sag ASC/B here!! Tried stuff then left well alone. Plus I couldn't be *rsed with the scene, it
bored me. (sorry, Chaos!)One occasion, I went to a club with a group of friends. It was one of those trancey hippie places. And yes, I did
OD - on sheer boredom!!!!
They were all mostly on E and mushrooms (which were legal then). Little me
was just had shots of ludicrously expensive vodka, a million cigarettes (before smoking ban), and a yuk-filled
sandwich. I had tried everything aeons ago, and didn't want to be involved in that.
Spent the rest of the night (I couldn't go home - no tube service until 6am!) listening to my friends say stuff
like, "wow....I feel sooo....like... connected.....to the stars.....and the moon.....and the universe, man! I am atone.....you know what I mean? Wow....look at the bright colours on that screen......it reminds me of mysoul.....this is really deep.....can you see my aura?......I can see yours....it's orange....with some green.....andmaybe rpurple.....". I listened to this for FIVE f**king hours!!!! Jeez. They were too out of it to get my (mostly
sarcastic) comments. They were mostly a and c people.
I was so glad when the trains were up and running. I got home, got in my duvet, had a nice cup of tea andwatched Spongebob - bliss!
I'm an old-fashioned Pisces girly really - nice warm Olde Worlde type pub with open fire, barrels of beer orbottles of wine, and some fellow fishes to keep me company, and laugh and sing like drunken reprobates!
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #28 - on: 20.01.2008 at 21:56 [UT] »Sorry, back to the actual question....
I would associate weed with j first and foremost, then d. I know way too many j and d people who
habitually smoke it just to feel less anxious and tense. Only thing is, the vicious circle applied - after effects wasmore anxiety, panic attacks, etc.
I would associate mind-altering, ie ecstacy, with a, and sometimes g. a people I know take it for the'spiritual' experience, and g people take to feel connected to people, with warm fuzzy lovey feelings.
Stuff like speed, I would associate with c - again I know mostly c who take this (as if they need moreenergy!).
Most i I know try everything once and don't bother about it.
Most k I know try everything once and become extremely anti-drugs.
Most f I know haven't tried anything, or had gone as far as pot.
Most l and h I know stick to alcohol.
The hardcore stuff - coke and heroin - doesn't seem fussy with sun signs....
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Member« Reply #29 - on: 20.01.2008 at 22:01 [UT] »Sag Sun, Pisces Moon, Taurus Ascendant.
Like my Sag sister Renee, I tried bits of various drugs in my youth, just to see what the hype was about. Somewere nicer than others. Mostly, they either put me to sleep or made me nervous. I don't feel the need to dothat anymore.
I like a good cup of coffee or a glass of wine, but that's about all I will do.
I rarely even take aspirin. My medicine cabinet was practically empty until my hypochondriac Virgo BF moved
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Re: Don’t you you just l-o-v-e our progressive, op« Reply #30 - on: 20.01.2008 at 22:15 [UT] »Quote from Kortsy on 20.01.2008 at 12:40 [UT]:
Don’t you you just l-o-v-e our progressive, open-minded and insightful era? Now we can bring drugs into our astrological discussions andmatch drugs with signs. Those poor ancient astrologers had such paltry little lives and limited intellectual capacities. We’re pretty f...ingcool.
It would just be pathetic if it weren’t so sickening. People who can lightly and ‘open-mindedly’ chatter away about drugs are frightening
and, frankly, deserve the disaster drugs will inevitably bring into their lives.

its part of some peoples lives Kortsy.......or would you rather forget about these things when looking into
astrology, and carry on like it isnt happening? I am sure there are lots of facets about a persons makeup that
we each dont like,but doesnt mean as astrologers you should ignore the facts. This discussion could possibly
bring to light the things necessary to see drugs in a chart.......you dont think that could be worthy for example
to the mother of a teenage boy, off the rails, or a boss with money disappearing out of the stores tills?
Ignorance and denial is not going to change anything.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #31 - on: 20.01.2008 at 22:32 [UT] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 20.01.2008 at 21:39 [UT]:Spent the rest of the night (I couldn't go home - no tube service until 6am!) listening to my friends say stuff like, "wow....I feelsooo....like... connected.....to the stars.....and the moon.....and the universe, man! I am at one.....you know what I mean? Wow....lookat the bright colours on that screen......it reminds me of my soul.....this is really deep.....can you see my aura?......I can see yours....it'sorange....with some green.....and maybe rpurple.....". I listened to this for FIVE f**king hours!!!! Jeez. They were too out of it to get my(mostly sarcastic) comments. They were mostly

a and c people.

Those conversations make me
I can't stay serious if ppl begin to talk like that (i have too much Earth in my chart and my f AC and B can
only take a little bit of crap talk)
There are aspects of the rave scene that I don't like also... like those talks...
Pure genuine feelings are in fact the best drug
Oh well, I think I have the more i approach... i've done anything, except heroin (and I would never do that)and moved on...
Judyanne
I get your drift... i'm not into medicins... and I don't have aspirins either... if I have a head ache, i just let it
pass and go lying on my bed
Only have some pills for my stomach... I can't tolerate stomach pains very wellI had an operation the 18th september, stayed until 22nd september in the hospital, had a lot of sedatives...
they said I may take sedatives as much as I wanted until the 30th september, and even my dad agreed with thedoctors (my dad hates conventional medicins)
But when I went home, i didn't take pain killers anymore... i was bored with them
I must admit I had head aches until end september, begin october, but pain killers also kill your sensitivity, andI don't want that
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #32 - on: 20.01.2008 at 23:31 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 20.01.2008 at 22:32 [UT]:
Quote from Penguin Trauma on 20.01.2008 at 21:39 [UT]:Spent the rest of the night (I couldn't go home - no tube service until 6am!) listening to my friends say stuff like,"wow....I feel sooo....like... connected.....to the stars.....and the moon.....and the universe, man! I am at one.....youknow what I mean? Wow....look at the bright colours on that screen......it reminds me of my soul.....this is reallydeep.....can you see my aura?......I can see yours....it's orange....with some green.....and maybe rpurple.....". I listened
to this for FIVE f**king hours!!!! Jeez. They were too out of it to get my (mostly sarcastic) comments. They were mostly

a and c people.
Those conversations make me
I can't stay serious if ppl begin to talk like that (i have too much Earth in my chart and myf AC and B can only take a little bit of crap

talk)

LOL

it's enough to put you off them for life! Normally I wouldn't stay serious either, it's just that particularnight they went on for a good solid 5 whole hours! And no public transport until 6am...eek!
I have noticed that about f types. They can't stand crap talk, even also from people who aren't on drugs in
the first place...
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Ex Member« Reply #33 - on: 21.01.2008 at 07:32 [UT] »First off, I'll say that people can generally be placed in one of the following three categories: either you still use
drugs, you experienced how hard it is to quit drugs (and cannot in your right mind talk blithely about drug use
like it's ok), or you--regardless of whether you never tried them or you tried them but didn't like them enoughto get hooked--have never wrestled with that problem. Either way, the subject should not be discussed lightly.
Sorry folks, drugs actually are bad (alcohol included, but I'm not going to get into "drinking moderately"
because my time is limited--I'll just say 1. if you do, great, and 2. are you really, REALLY sure you do?). David
Crosby of Crosby Stills Nash and Young, who was one of the kingpins of 60s hippie drug use, was talking about
the hippie movement and said something like "we were right about the ideals, and we were right about
everything else... but we were wrong about the drugs." David Crosby ended up getting a liver transplant.
Many people who treated their bodies similarly died and will die--neither quickly nor painlessly--because they
don't have the fame and money to be at the top of the list for a new internal organ (imagine the stupidity ofsomeone on a lower-middle class income saying "well, I'll just get me a new liver!" Don't laugh--I have heard it
before)Now, moving right along...
More useful than "matching drugs to signs" would be considering how an individual's natal chart as a whole
relates to drug use (also transits, progressions, solar arcs, solar returns, etc., but let's just keep it nonoverwhelming for now and stick to natal charts). In an astrological counseling situation, the only thing I canimagine coming up involving drugs is the client (or someone the client knows) having a problem with drug
dependency or addiction and wanting answers as to how they might be able to surmount the problem. I can't
imagine what an astrologer with any ethics would say if a client asked them "what recreational drugs do you
think I should try?" EVEN IF the astrologer did or had done drugs themselves.
Of course, you have to start with knowing some things about your client (btw, by client I just mean whoever
you're doing the reading for. You don't have to be in a chair, and they don't have to be lying on a couch, andthey may or not be paying you or treating you as a professional). Do they want to hear what mental andemotional work they need to do to shift into being clean? Or are they wishing someone will tell them there's amagic switch inside their brain they can flip that will instantly make their sober state feel like they're on theirfavorite drug without the side effects? (then you'd have to explain to them why all the people still drinking andusing don't just do that instead of poisoning themselves) Do they have the support of family, friends, a spouseor boyfriend/girlfriend, etc. at home who don't want them to keep drinking or using? Or are they on theirown? Most importantly to you as an astrologer, what exactly do they think astrology is going to do for them?
Then you have to look at the whole chart. I will provide an example of a couple ways this can be done, if
someone gives me the chart of an individual who has a drug problem they are struggling with and want help
dealing with (or someone else wants them to get help). Post the chart (the actual visual of the chart--if you
just give me the birth data and expect me to go plug it in and pull up the chart myself, I will ignore yourrequest). Post the chart visual, and tell me the individual's drug(s) of choice, and any other information you
consider vital (but do not include information that is too private to discuss publicly). I WILL LOOK AT ONLYONE CHART. Anyone who comes after the first one, the first person beat you fair and square, and yourrequests will be ignored--NO exceptions (sorry, but managing my time is something I struggle with as it is). If
you are having a crisis, I am not a licensed therapist of any kind and I do not have what it takes to help you.
Please go get some real help. All I am mentally equipped to do is discuss astrological technique. Oh yeah, andI might need up to 3-4 days
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #34 - on: 21.01.2008 at 08:26 [UT] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 20.01.2008 at 21:56 [UT]:Most

i I know try everything once and don't bother about it.

And quietly wonder why some people get hooked. Addiction doesn't make much sense to us.
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Ex Member« Reply #35 - on: 21.01.2008 at 09:06 [UT] »In response to headbandits post,
I disagree with alot in this post.....first of all, your offer of having a look at someones chart is great, but whenit comes to looking at the chart of someone that the poster thinks needs to get off drugs....(unless it is a family
member, or the poster themselves), i think is unethical and a waste of your time. It is not allowed on thisforum to post the chart of someone else without their permission, and i also dont think it would help anyway.
People will not give up drugs until they are MADE to (by perhaps the law), or want to.
secondly this thread was designed to not look at whether drugs are bad or not, it is to see if they can be
specifically seen in a chart............pharmaceuticals are drugs too. Legal and most people would say not bad foryou either.
Thirdly, bringing examples of people that have had bad drug experiences...ie liver damage, only opens the postfor examples of people who have given great gifts to society whilst using drugs and who have managed to live
there life to ripe old ages, never having the "bad" effects that those that dont approve of the topic, claim toneed to use. ( and i am biting my tongue on so many examples in opposition to the "drugs are all bad"stance,that it is making my head hurt)
Perhaps we can all just agree that there are three types of people on this planet in relations to drugs: thosethat tolerate there use and see it as a personal choice, those that disagree with there use, and those that
actively support the use of drugs, whether that be some or all of them ( regardless of whether or not they use,or will change there views in the future)
Lets just stick to the topic.........can drugs be identified in a chart?
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Member« Reply #36 - on: 21.01.2008 at 09:35 [UT] »Quote from vierge feroce on 19.01.2008 at 21:17 [UT]:
I've noticed a lot of Virgo's/Gemini's that prefer smoking pot because it helps slow down their mental/restless energy.

right, there is no button "off" for hardcore thinkers
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maybe because of G transit I stopped smocking regularly (I did it since 15-16 years on a daily basis !), butsometimes it's tiring (for myself and for others) when you can't focus...
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #37 - on: 21.01.2008 at 10:40 [UT] »To be honest, LSD does the opposite of let you escape from reality. I dropped acid a few times when I wasyounger, and it definitely puts your mind on more stuff. If it's anything introverted or subjective, it's definitely
going to be running WILD in your mind. Your perceptions of this reality are altered, but you're still very muchin tune with this world and much much more sensitive to it. Hence, people often having powerful and lifechanging spiritual experiences while tripping on it.
Just thought I'd throw that in.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #38 - on: 21.01.2008 at 10:40 [UT] »Quote from Penguin Trauma on 20.01.2008 at 23:31 [UT]:
Quote from Chaos on 20.01.2008 at 22:32 [UT]:
Quote from Penguin Trauma on 20.01.2008 at 21:39 [UT]:Spent the rest of the night (I couldn't go home - no tube service until 6am!) listening to my friends say
stuff like, "wow....I feel sooo....like... connected.....to the stars.....and the moon.....and the universe,man! I am at one.....you know what I mean? Wow....look at the bright colours on that screen......it reminds
me of my soul.....this is really deep.....can you see my aura?......I can see yours....it's orange....with somegreen.....and maybe rpurple.....". I listened to this for FIVE f**king hours!!!! Jeez. They were too out of it
to get my (mostly sarcastic) comments. They were mostly

a and c people.

Those conversations make me
I can't stay serious if ppl begin to talk like that (i have too much Earth in my chart and myf AC and B can only take alittle bit of crap talk)LOL

it's enough to put you off them for life! Normally I wouldn't stay serious either, it's just that particular night they went on for agood solid 5 whole hours! And no public transport until 6am...eek!
I have noticed that about

f types. They can't stand crap talk, even also from people who aren't on drugs in the first place...

If I'm a bit drunk myself, i can deliver crap talk also...
But when i'm in a serious, sober, reflective mood... I don't have the patience, nor the time to listen to it
I just politely go away, saying something about 'other obligations'
And indeed, when you fall into your bed and look at whatever program or movie there is on TV, it can be purebliss
Oh yeah, i began experimenting when T I was m my natal F (february, march 2005) in the 6th house
I stopped with it when G entered my 12th approximately, around november 2006
I do like a drink, but I'm less overdriving with it (I have a DoF, it's easy to excess for me)
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #39 - on: 21.01.2008 at 11:58 [UT] »Starcloud wrote:
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I didn't hear anyone bragging about their experiences or recommending it for others. Most of us are glad for experiences and have movedon.

I used this quote, but the idea of ‘moving on’ was also expressed by others. It sounds so simple: ‘I tried it andthen moved on’. It does give a person an aura of worldliness and experience possibly leading to wisdom. It cangive an aging person something to ever-so-subtly boast about when looking back at the earlier years. It can beworn as a badge. I have been hearing a tone clearly approaching bragging in some posts.
What about all the others who didn’t move on, couldn’t move on? They discovered the lie about dabbling andmoving on. There aren’t just a few of them – they are everywhere. And so much crime and violence is due tothem. The ones who suffer the most are the little children who live around it.
But it doesn’t even take addiction to create the hell. Those who ‘just want to try it’ can and do commit crimes,
become violent, get in car wrecks, or even drop dead.
So here we are chatting away online about taking drugs and moving on. It all sounds so simple. I’m sure it’sreassuring for the teenager out there reading this and other sites – ‘I’ll try it and move on too'. Someone
mentioned the Meth problem in small town America. Kids in small town America have computers too and canread the past experiences recounted with obvious fondness here and elsewhere and in a manner approaching
boasting. Just because you survived doesn't mean they will. How can you dare to treat it so lightly? Thereneeds to be at least one voice here that isn’t singing along. Go ahead and call me Dad, if you want. [Thederogatory use of ‘Dad’ itself is worth reflecting upon.]................
Now the astrology.
Matching signs and drugs. Waste of time. Do you plan on telling certain Sun signs to avoid heroin and only use
cocaine? Is that your contribution to humanity? You are showing your complete lack of astrological ability andfinesse when you say ‘Virgo do drugs over here, Sagittarians over there’. The traditionalists with ‘all their rules’
are eons ahead of you. The ancient astrology authors and philosophers make you look like little specks.
Mountain wrote:
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I have to note that recreational and addictive drugs in astrology technically are ruled by Pisces, Neptune, and the 12th house.

Let’s watch that ‘technically are ruled by ....’ Many of us don’t go for sign = planet = house. Neptune probably
does have its place its place in astrology, but the Moon is sufficient for intoxicants and drugs – especially with
Mercury and Mars.
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Member« Reply #40 - on: 21.01.2008 at 12:32 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 21.01.2008 at 10:40 [UT]:

I was m my natal F (february, march 2005) in the 6th house

Oh yeah, i began experimenting when Tinteresting: I started smocking when K was transitting my AC and M my ImMC ...
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I'm drinking less now, and more good wine.

all drugs are taken for different reasons, some to calm down (mental stress), some to give confidence (lack of),some to escape (depressive), some to open doors (curiosity), some to give energy rushes (flabby); so
depending what's in the chart (and besides planets I'm looking elements a lot, a lack of Earth or Fire could
show difficulties to keep feet on the ground), there is a possibility - then there must be an occasion.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #41 - on: 21.01.2008 at 13:51 [UT] »I used to smoke a lot of cigarettes despite jogging and swimming. From age of 18 until I was 58 I smoked.
They gave me an irritating cough, caused dental problems on the side of my mouth that I smoked from,wasted a lot of money, and stank.
Sometimes I laced the rollies, which really was a waste of money because after a while you don't get a highyou just become poor company and and function below your optimum. But there was one good result.
Neither of my two boys like smoking, nor do they see dope or other drugs as glamorous. They just don't
aspire to it and they don't like it. And they worry about so many of their own generation being drug f*****d.
Two years ago I stopped smoking altogether. I got back into swimming and running. It was hard work to get
fit, it took six months before I could jog around a 4 kilometre circuit without stopping let alone the 7 km I
now do . It took a year before I could swim 1500 metres in under 30 minutes. But I can do both withrelative ease today and more. There is no comparison to the sense of well being and the natural high you getfrom being fit. It makes everything easier. I'm 60 now and I expect to get a lot fitter yet. And I really lookforward to my daily swims/runs . Even when I sometimes start off feeling a bit stiff from the day before,
because they make me feel fantastic. I still can't quite zip up the suit trousers I had tailor made in 1980, but
I'm not far off.
So what's it all got to do with astrology? well I have Moon in Libra just separated from Neptune, which issquare Venus. Yes that makes me hedonistic. I have Sun conjunct Jupiter in Sagittarius, I'm a splurge type
indulgent person in some regards. But I do have Mars (my Asc ruler) in Virgo square that Sagittarian Jupiterso I can train rather excessively too. Physical training can be an addiction, because of the high you get. That's
why sometimes after I swim I have to go for a run. But it's a much better addiction to have than drugs. Try it.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #42 - on: 21.01.2008 at 13:53 [UT] »Opiate use is a very common problem among the people my age in my area. A very good number of thepeople I knew in high school are either in jail, dead, or still battling addiciton to heroin or prescription pain
killers. It's really sad and depressing. I stuggled with addiction about 4-5 years ago... I started out"experimenting" with all different types of "fun party drugs", and after a few years of this I moved on to
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to stop. I was one of the lucky ones able to overcome this, get and stay clean... my life has changed
dramatically since then. I had to cut myself off from everyone I knew and completely start over. This was abad experience, but I believe it's made me a stronger person. I've got ACDF in h, a rising, gBGJ.
I'm not entirely sure what in the natal charts of my generation reflects the drug issue, but we do have IqJ,
if that means anything.

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Member« Reply #43 - on: 21.01.2008 at 14:21 [UT] »Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 21.01.2008 at 13:51 [UT]:
Physical training can be an addiction, because of the high you get.

hehe
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I think there are endorphine/adrenaline addicts..
could you relate this to some part of your chart ?

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Ex Member« Reply #44 - on: 21.01.2008 at 14:42 [UT] »Hemp is traditionally associated to j
I'd say pot-smokers; earth-signs, especially b and j. Also g.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #45 - on: 21.01.2008 at 14:51 [UT] »tasted the spectrum, but it up up and away 4 me. a nice adrenaline rush means i can get shit done. oh andcigarettes. im basically too sleepy in general.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #46 - on: 21.01.2008 at 15:22 [UT] »I've found the l I know to be heavy drinkers, but also j.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #47 - on: 21.01.2008 at 15:56 [UT] »Quote from greenmonstah on 21.01.2008 at 15:22 [UT]:
I've found thel I know to be heavy drinkers, but also j.

Problem with generalizing is that you don't specify... but at the other hand, that was may be the intention ofthis thread... but through generalizations, one can specify
I would say with j it could be because they surpress their emotional, sensitive side too much... go to muchinto ratio
But members of any sign canbe prone to that, even the water signs
And they you can use drugs for anxiety reasons, as someone earlier on said... to numb pain, feelings
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #48 - on: 21.01.2008 at 16:18 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 21.01.2008 at 15:56 [UT]:
Quote from greenmonstah on 21.01.2008 at 15:22 [UT]:
I've found thePosts: 337
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Problem with generalizing is that you don't specify... but at the other hand, that was may be the intention of this thread... but throughgeneralizations, one can specify
I would say withj it could be because they surpress their emotional, sensitive side too much... go to much into ratio

But members of any sign canbe prone to that, even the water signs
And they you can use drugs for anxiety reasons, as someone earlier on said... to numb pain, feelings

This makes sense... also because j are prone to depression (gernerally speaking) they perhaps use alcohol todrown their sorrows.
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Ex Member« Reply #49 - on: 21.01.2008 at 18:09 [UT] »Peregrine:ok, responding to your reply, point by point.
[quote author=Peregrine link=1200746049/20#35 date=1200906403]In response to headbandits post,>>>I disagree with alot in this post.....first of all, your offer of having a look at someones chart is great, butwhen it comes to looking at the chart of someone that the poster thinks needs to get off drugs....(unless it is afamily member, or the poster themselves), i think is unethical and a waste of your time.
It is not allowed on this forum to post the chart of someone else without their permission, and i also dont
think it would help anyway. People will not give up drugs until they are MADE to (by perhaps the law), or wantto>>>
I wasn't aware of that forum rule. I assumed posting people's charts was alright as long as anonymity wasmaintained (after all, if there is no name or other means of identification attached, then as far as privacy
concerns go you might as well be using a chart erected from fictional birth data), but I'll go back and read theforum rules thoroughly in order to avoid future snags.
About the notion that it is unethical and a waste of time to examine drug issues in the chart of anotherperson... you said "(unless it is a family member, or the poster themselves)"--family member (spouse, inparticular) pretty much IS what I had in mind (who did you think I meant?). It would certainly be less intrusive
than an intervention, which happens all the time, and which few people label as an unethical practice. It would
not necessarily involve making the individual do or stop doing anything--in fact, the person with the drug
problem might not even know the reading took place.
Another thing I'll reiterate from my previous post is that the only thing I was intending to discuss was
astrological techniques. I am NOT a drug addiction counselor (nor am I a member of any 12 step group), and I
never had any intention for helping anyone developing an actual plan for getting someone off drugs. That is aproblem to be dealt with in the real (physical) world, not over the internet. My intention was to discuss ways tointerpret patterns of addiction within the whole chart--the focus would be on drugs in relation to astrology, notthe other way around.

>>secondly this thread was designed to not look at whether drugs are bad or not, it is to see if they can be
specifically seen in a chart............pharmaceuticals are drugs too. Legal and most people would say not bad foryou either>>but if you read the majority of posts in this thread, you see that it ended up becoming a whole lot of talk about
drugs that ARE recreational in nature (starting right with the original post). As for whether drugs can be
specifically seen in a chart... ok, I'll bite-- NO, they cannot. If you mean "can you tell which drugs someone will
choose based on their Sun sign?" (or Moon sign, for that matter), personally I believe you cannot. Patterns
involving drug use (whether casual or addicted) are more complex than that. Pot may FEEL kind of Taurean
and speed might seem suited to Gemini, but there is no cookie-cutter correlation between individual drugs andindividual signs.
>>Thirdly, bringing examples of people that have had bad drug experiences...ie liver damage, only opens thepost for examples of people who have given great gifts to society whilst using drugs and who have managed tolive there life to ripe old ages, never having the "bad" effects that those that dont approve of the topic, claim toneed to use.>>Can you give me an example? (could be a famous person, but it also could be someone you know personally-I'll give you the benefit of the doubt)
And another thing I will reiterate is that a person who has a drug addiction problem is NOT weaker than aperson who "did drugs and then moved on." The "moved on" person did not feel the sheer intensity of pleasurefrom the drug that the addict did--otherwise, they WOULD have experienced how hard it is to give it up. The
only role "strength" plays is in whether the individual was able to overcome the addiction or not... if no
addiction was ever felt, the strength never came into play because it was never needed. And if the person DID
feel the addiction but came up with the strength to overcome it, they generally do not encourage others totake the path that led them to have to struggle with that ordeal.
>>( and i am biting my tongue on so many examples in opposition to the "drugs are all bad" stance,that it ismaking my head hurt)
Perhaps we can all just agree that there are three types of people on this planet in relations to drugs: thosethat tolerate there use and see it as a personal choice, those that disagree with there use, and those that
actively support the use of drugs, whether that be some or all of them ( regardless of whether or not they use,or will change there views in the future)>>>I fall under both the first category AND the second. I'll be attending an event this spring where there will belots of hippies, tons of drug use, and I'm not saying a word to anyone about it. If this discussion wasn't tied
into astrology, I wouldn't even be involved in it. Just because I don't agree with the notion that drugs are ok
doesn't mean I'm not tolerant of their use. Tolerance and agreement are two different things.
>>Lets just stick to the topic.........can drugs be identified in the chart>>
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Member« Reply #50 - on: 21.01.2008 at 18:36 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 21.01.2008 at 15:56 [UT]:
Quote from greenmonstah on 21.01.2008 at 15:22 [UT]:
I've found thel I know to be heavy drinkers, but also j.

Problem with generalizing is that you don't specify... but at the other hand, that was may be the intention of this thread... but throughgeneralizations, one can specify

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Gender:so let's deduce we are not talking about Sun signs especially, but related houses/rulers too and difficult aspect
between themall Pisces are not alcoolics (but...) but a strong Pisces/12th/I with hard aspects issignificant...
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Ex Member« Reply #51 - on: 21.01.2008 at 19:23 [UT] »Warning: rant
Kortsy, if you have to reflect on it, you're not as bright as I took you for. That's called sarcasm, and it comesfrom being angry. I am getting a little sick of people coming onto threads and highjacking the discussions withmoralistic grandstanding. I am angry that you characterize the remark I made speaking of my own experienceas "bragging." It was a statement of fact, period. What you choose to read into it says more about you than it
does about me. What your post boils down to is that you don't think the topic is appropriate, and you are
dismissive of the discussion. Then talk to a mod and go spend your time on what you think is worthy, rather
than come onto the thread all high-handed and taking potshots.
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: DRUGS ARE BAD FOR YOU.
Are you happy now? Now can we get back to a lighthearted and somewhat maybe silly discussion about whatsigns would prefer what drugs?
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #52 - on: 21.01.2008 at 20:35 [UT] »Puff puff pass, Renee!

No joke. I was thinking the same thing.

Someone needs some nice hydro.
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Ex Member« Reply #53 - on: 21.01.2008 at 20:44 [UT] »Some good music and a back rub wouldn't come amiss, either.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #54 - on: 21.01.2008 at 22:37 [UT] »Quote from Mina75 on 21.01.2008 at 14:21 [UT]:
Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 21.01.2008 at 13:51 [UT]:
Physical training can be an addiction, because of the high you get.

hehe
I think there are endorphine/adrenaline addicts..
could you relate this to some part of your chart ?

Maybe its my rather physical mars being in virgo as well as being chart ruler. By whole sign it is also in the 6thhouse - its joy according to Hellenistic techniques. My Moon is also at the midpoint of Sun/Mars in my chart,and close septile them both. So that may account for some of my liking for intense physical expression alongwith my earth Venus (in Capricorn). Neptune is aspected to most of my planets too so escapist tendencies arepresent.
Mercuric and Renee, I can certainly relate to a puff, good music and backrub; but the tingling sensation andsheer pleasure of physical and mental relaxation after a good workout can be something to savour, and if you're
into music and a backrub, a toned body feels pretty good to the touch too.
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Ex Member« Reply #55 - on: 21.01.2008 at 23:52 [UT] »They're not mutually exclusive.
ETA: Or were you meaning to offer me a feel?
For the record, I don't smoke anything. I have a friend who comes around maybe four times a year. Whenever
he does, he brings a lil something to smoke, because he likes to. I'll take a puff to be sociable. I don't mind it
but I'm not attached to it.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #56 - on: 22.01.2008 at 00:38 [UT] »I have not read this whole thread ,but I shall add what I found to be true in some instances.I will add that
there are rules that do not apply to these types of questions.
Neptune in the 5th usually denotes an active life of the abuser in many instances as there will be Alco=hol use
and especially for those having Ne-Scorpio.
Smokers have Ne-5th also.
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Gender:Mercury and Gemini can denote smokers and when Uranus has aspects to it can mean heavey smokers.
Thyroid cionditions are ruled by Taurus ,It's a med condition.
All addicitons can be any sign and I think that the Moon has to play a big part in them.
Those wanting to look into addictions have a host of charts to look at of those who have dealt with them alongwith those who were famous that lost their lives to them.
I found that the early degrees of Pisces and 24Deg. Sag had alcohol and drug use attached to them. 7Deg.
Scorpio has been said to be a drug degree.
There are exceptions to the above so the whole chart has to looked at .I noted that those having 24Sag to bevery highly involved in substance abuse,but have found a few that were not.The list is long for those having thedegree prominant though.
Anthony Hopkins,Hendrix,Joplin all had the degree active which I found pretty wild,but Justin Timberlake also
has the degree prominent.This was a good example of not putting to much stock in stereotyping degree's.
Jefferey Dahmer had 7Deg. Scorpio prominent as I do,but I never had problems with putting down a drink.I
have a glass of wine once in awhile. If I drink a few beers I wake with a hangoever the next day.A trait mymother also had.
My drug of choice was weed which I gave up as I got older.
I do not sleep well which is denoted by Gemini and Mecury or having afflicted planets in the 12th.The 9rth-12th
afflictions can denote medical problems and visits to hospitals or else prisons.8th-12th usually can denoteprison in some instances.
One has to look at the planets involved and the aspects going from those houses.
Taurus is a sensual sign.If it is highly placed in the chart there can be a problem ,but escape is ruled by the
12th and Neptune.The Moon has much to do with alcohol abuse.
Any sign can be addicted to substances IMO.I's universal to use no matter what sign you are. Virgo's will giveup drugs and drinks for many reasons.EIther Money(Misers) or for health emphsis.
Oh do not forget Jupiter as it can go overboard with anything.
Any rule can be overruled by other factors in the chart.
There are many types of addiction also.One can e addicted to work.OCD can be a problem also.The 165Deg.
aspect might come into playt.
Many say Howard Hughes was addicted to Pain killers,but manydo not recognize that he had to be just to livewith the severe pain he had.He was burned throughout his body from the crash he experienced in 1946.
Those I know that have severe pain issues gave up opiates for methadone which is one of the worst substances
I think one can be addicted to. It takes a heroin addict a few weeks to cut their addiction as far as withdrawl,but it takes months to get away from Methadone.SOmetimes a few years to get to zero. Evenn after that theletaric feeling and sleep problems will persist for many months or even years.
Cocaine is like a rat in a cage IMO.It does not take long to work out of the system,but the addiction from amental aspect can be a life long struggle from those I know that used it.
I hope they find a cure for this speed epidemic(crystal Meth) that is going on.It looks like a real killer.
A book could be wrtten on this subject easily.Just those that have past using substances could be studied andwritten about.

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Ex Member« Reply #57 - on: 22.01.2008 at 00:47 [UT] »Quote from Renee12456 on 21.01.2008 at 20:44 [UT]:Some good music and a back rub wouldn't come amiss, either.

For real !
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Ex Member« Reply #58 - on: 22.01.2008 at 00:51 [UT] »Quote from Astro Healer on 22.01.2008 at 00:38 [UT]:
Mercury and Gemini can denote smokers and when Uranus has aspects to it can mean heavey smokers.

ME-UR conjunct... used to be, lol. Now I've learned better ways to handle it.
Quote:
I hope they find a cure for this speed epidemic(crystal Meth) that is going on.It looks like a real killer.

No joke... I have a few friends who've fell victim to the meth thing.. It's sad. Truly a destructive drug.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #59 - on: 22.01.2008 at 01:08 [UT] »I must really have a guardian angel. 24 Sag Mercury on the ascendant. Maybe my heavy Saturn protects me.

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Ex Member« Reply #60 - on: 22.01.2008 at 02:01 [UT] »

I'm

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Just gimme 1 pint of milk(no, 2), a nice freshly made paella, bottle of tequila reposado(OK, maby 2), and ofcourse, a box Luckies cigg(make it 2)....
I promise you, I'll be high for at least 12 hours

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #61 - on: 22.01.2008 at 04:24 [UT] »Tequila,I see you didn’t include Saturn in your list. You’re right – he would kill your little party.

Renee,My reply provoked a rant and the rant has provoked a reply.
We often have little sense of the power our words have, and the power our words give us. As one who
expresses herself well and who seems to be quite intelligent your talk of doing drugs and ‘moving on’ is anespecially dangerous justification for younger people, or others who are a little wobbly sitting there on thefence. ‘If she can do it so can I’. Someone who can barely write a sentence and whose thoughts bounce all overthe place is not going to have the same impact. Did you think of that? The more one writes easily, lightly, andjokingly about drugs in a well-written manner the more harmless drugs seem. Intended or not, you are an
example – a model, and some of the people who are influenced by your words aren’t going to make it.
Admittedly, your personal contribution may be very small, but it’s a contribution nonetheless.
“Now can we get back to a lighthearted and somewhat maybe silly discussion about what signs would preferwhat drugs?”
You apparently just don’t see the power you have. By the way, was that ‘silly’ an admission that talking ofdrugs and signs is a waste of astrological study time?
But I’m diverting you all from your lighthearted and maybe somewhat silly discussion.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #62 - on: 22.01.2008 at 04:46 [UT] »So I guess we can rule out Sag, since so many responded!
Looks like moon, or so I've heard is a focal point.
AND depending on what the drug is or does, would reflect which house/placement I'd guess. Indirectly, I
suppose my stating an example of the opposition (MEPosts: 935), other ideas could be deducted.

I have NO Cancer, Pisces or AIR in my natal chart.
...generic! Still, I think it is water signs that are the mostprevalent for addictions, vs. medicinical drugs.
Quote from Peregrine on 21.01.2008 at 09:06 [UT]:In response to headbandits post,

secondly this thread was designed to not look at whether drugs are bad or not, it is to see if they can be specifically seen in achart............pharmaceuticals are drugs too. Legal and most people would say not bad for you either.
Thirdly, bringing examples of people that have had bad drug experiences...ie liver damage, only opens the post for examples of people
who have given great gifts to society whilst using drugs and who have managed to live there life to ripe old ages, never having the "bad"effects that those that dont approve of the topic, claim to need to use. ( and i am biting my tongue on so many examples in opposition tothe "drugs are all bad" stance,that it is making my head hurt)
Perhaps we can all just agree that there are three types of people on this planet in relations to drugs: those that tolerate there use andsee it as a personal choice, those that disagree with there use, and those that actively support the use of drugs, whether that be some or
all of them ( regardless of whether or not they use, or will change there views in the future)
Lets just stick to the topic.........can drugs be identified in a chart?

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Ex Member« Reply #63 - on: 22.01.2008 at 06:36 [UT] »Quote from Kortsy on 22.01.2008 at 04:24 [UT]:
Tequila,I see you didn’t include Saturn in your list. You’re right – he would kill your little party.

Renee,My reply provoked a rant and the rant has provoked a reply.
We often have little sense of the power our words have, and the power our words give us. As one who expresses herself well and who
seems to be quite intelligent your talk of doing drugs and ‘moving on’ is an especially dangerous justification for younger people, or others
who are a little wobbly sitting there on the fence. ‘If she can do it so can I’. Someone who can barely write a sentence and whose thoughts
bounce all over the place is not going to have the same impact. Did you think of that? The more one writes easily, lightly, and jokingly
about drugs in a well-written manner the more harmless drugs seem. Intended or not, you are an example – a model, and some of thepeople who are influenced by your words aren’t going to make it. Admittedly, your personal contribution may be very small, but it’s acontribution nonetheless.
“Now can we get back to a lighthearted and somewhat maybe silly discussion about what signs would prefer what drugs?”
You apparently just don’t see the power you have. By the way, was that ‘silly’ an admission that talking of drugs and signs is a waste ofastrological study time?
But I’m diverting you all from your lighthearted and maybe somewhat silly discussion.

I am really interested to know where your constant need to put down this thread come from Kortsy.....
If you think anything that any of us say on this thread is going to make people run out and take drugs i'd say
your wrong. Drugs and there use are depicted in advertising, television, movies, not too mention
music........education is good....and that means talking about these things and not denying anyone of the
FACTS. It is a healthy way to deal with the subject.
For me as a youngster i was absolutely into everything that i was told NOT to do. I think an open approach isimportant......and i think this discussion is totally valid. Not to mention educational in an astrological sense to
the majority of people participating.
As for young people coming to this forum, I would say, talk to your teachers and parents about thissubject....no doubt any decent parent is keeping an eye on what your observing on the internet anyway.
Kortsy, perhaps you could leave us to talk about a subject that we want to talk about......I know there areplenty of other discussions taking place that you could contribute to in a very positive way.
thanksperegrine
P.s Headbandit........... to your earlier question....Timothy leary, william burroughs and tom wolfe(still alive andkicking). I am interested in saying no more about the rights or wrongs of this topic.....only the astro.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #64 - on: 22.01.2008 at 12:40 [UT] »Peregrine
Burroughs (wince) he's not role model material to say the least (not preaching about the drug use here... I'd
say the pedophilia was quite enough to make that determination, as much as I enjoyed "Queer" and "Junky")but, now that you mention it, do you have Leary's chart info?
I found an online astro data bank that had it,
but you have to pay for the info, and naturally I'm looking to not have to do that
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #65 - on: 22.01.2008 at 12:54 [UT] »Headbandit, Here's Timothy Leary's chart data for you:
http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/4yJ27r7jb3Le.htm
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #66 - on: 22.01.2008 at 13:34 [UT] »Quote from Kortsy on 22.01.2008 at 04:24 [UT]:
Tequila,I see you didn’t include Saturn in your list. You’re right – he would kill your little party.

Renee,My reply provoked a rant and the rant has provoked a reply.
We often have little sense of the power our words have, and the power our words give us. As one who expresses herself well and who
seems to be quite intelligent your talk of doing drugs and ‘moving on’ is an especially dangerous justification for younger people, or others
who are a little wobbly sitting there on the fence. ‘If she can do it so can I’. Someone who can barely write a sentence and whose thoughts
bounce all over the place is not going to have the same impact. Did you think of that? The more one writes easily, lightly, and jokingly
about drugs in a well-written manner the more harmless drugs seem. Intended or not, you are an example – a model, and some of thepeople who are influenced by your words aren’t going to make it. Admittedly, your personal contribution may be very small, but it’s acontribution nonetheless.
“Now can we get back to a lighthearted and somewhat maybe silly discussion about what signs would prefer what drugs?”
You apparently just don’t see the power you have. By the way, was that ‘silly’ an admission that talking of drugs and signs is a waste ofastrological study time?
But I’m diverting you all from your lighthearted and maybe somewhat silly discussion.

I appreciate the compliment in your criticism. The paternalism/patronizing side of it makes me bristle. And
no, I don't see the power I have, and I think you are mistaken in that aspect. I'm nobody's example to follow.
However, when us grownups go ape whenever anybody says "drugs," it's also a reason for kids to turn theirbacks and not listen. The hysteria does not ring true. So jumping straight into "you can't talk about thisunless you're against it with every breath because people could DIE" is not preventative, in fact, even makes it
more attractive to the more rebellious. I graduated high school in 1974. Knowing how to take a bong hit wasa necessary social skill. My teachers smoked pot, offered me pot. It is possible to be around drugs and not
become an addict. A lot of things go into making an addict, and the drugs themselves are but a small piece ofthe puzzle.
I do appreciate that you have to speak your conscience.
No, I don't think it's a waste of study time. There are people here who haven't learned their sun signs yet. Yougo from whatever material is at hand to make associations to learn.
I'd be happy to continue the discussion in PM if you're so inclined.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #67 - on: 22.01.2008 at 14:21 [UT] »Here's his chart...

I is unaspected... surprises me

Although I don't know how an unaspected I could work out

J is the ruler of his 12th and makes a q to F, the old natural ruler of the 12th
So he used his subconscious to transform his explorations... (hope this makes sense to anyone)J also n E, the ruler of his 5th...
His creative pursuits weren't light hearted... (?)(co)ruler(s) 10th house in 12... he published a lot of books about drug experiences
The old ruler of the 3rd, G sextiles C, the ruler of the 10th, so this could also explains his publishings about
12th house subjects (cause ruler of the 10th is in the 12th)
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Member« Reply #68 - on: 22.01.2008 at 14:31 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 22.01.2008 at 14:21 [UT]:

I is unaspected... surprises me

yep, but it is in 8th, and p AS...
Bk m O 3rd (freedom of expression) o CDh 12th (mental and affective inclination for mysteries,
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Gender:mysticism, chamanism) - M 1st is a strong position too for that - and pA 11th (with also K 11th), his was fullpart of his generation (Age of Aquarius taste)... curiosity, freedom, but I don't see this "escape" dimension...

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #69 - on: 22.01.2008 at 14:38 [UT] »Quote from Mina75 on 22.01.2008 at 14:31 [UT]:
Quote from Chaos on 22.01.2008 at 14:21 [UT]:

I is unaspected... surprises me
pAS...
Bk m O 3rd (freedom of expression) o CDh 12th (mental and affective inclination for mysteries, mysticism, chamanism) - M 1st isa strong position too for that - and pA 11th (with also K 11th), his was full part of his generation (Age of Aquarius taste)... curiosity,
yep, but it is in 8th, andfreedom, but I don't see this "escape" dimension...

Escaping could have come easy and naturally to him
IpAC, like you said

FfoAC, F as the ruler of his rising and it's located in the 9th house, the house of broaden your horizons
I would see the M more in 2, the house of his values... although there could be discussion about it, cause it's
technically still located in the 1st...
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #70 - on: 22.01.2008 at 17:07 [UT] »Astrological Quiz: Two astrologers are discussing drugs. We will call them "Sagitta"(S) and "Court Seat" (C).
Can you, from the discussion, deduce who is approaching from a Sagittarian bent and who from a Capricornian
tinged view?
S: "I once smoked mariju...
C: "Stop bragging little Miss Ever so cool party pants. Pot = death and destruction. The End."
S: "Mushrooms seem to give a Piscea...
C: "Gahh! Everytime you name a drug you kill a poor innocent child!"
S: "The Meth Ampheta...
C: " You just killed another!"
S: ?
C: "What, have drugs addled your senses? You deserve to die. Hmmph!"
So put on your thinking Caps and work it out yourself. No cheating
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #71 - on: 22.01.2008 at 20:00 [UT] »No, seriously - is this really okey? Looking at the subject: "Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal"... it's exactly
this illegal aspect that makes me feel this thread is a little bit hard to ... digest. And I cannot really see what
there is to learn from this all...?
I guess there are tons of different reasons for taking different drugs, and I'm sure the reasons could be
attributed to some astrological influence in the birth-chart... but still, couldn't there be other ways to approachthese astrological influences?
This thread is for fun, kind of like the Astro-juke box.. and all those threads - but I must agree it doesn't feelright, for many reasons, to take drug use into discussion this light-heartedly...
And I know it is not necessary to get into a discussion one doesn't like, but then again - one also definitely has
the right to do so...
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #72 - on: 22.01.2008 at 20:31 [UT] »I tried marijuana a few times but didn't like it because I would lose control over my body - walk down the
middle of the road when I knew I should walk on the side. Another affect was uncontrolled laughter - I justwouldn't be able to stop until I'd get so scared that I would start to cry.
Put a bit of cocaine inside lower lip only once and felt really happy for 24 hours - but still didn't like the out-ofcontrol feeling - could this have something to do with being Cancerian, Virgo on IC?
Getting a bit drunk as a reward for good behaviour was always fun, but just don't understand the drug culture
at all - G j n AC.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #73 - on: 22.01.2008 at 20:41 [UT] »A subject close to my heart . This thread is pornographic to an extent , but unfortunatley/ fortunatley ( recover/ relapse ) I have drug dealers on every street corner . Bristol is liberal and awash with all of it , and its cheap£7 bags of heroin ( Hey Mr Bush , funny how since we the west went into Taliban country , the gears stronger
and cheaper than ever ) , £10 rocks of strong coke bout the size of a kidney bean , Valium blues £1 each (doctors dont perscribe them anymore , too many people suing the wonderful NHS for addiction ), 8ml
Subutext £3 , 100ml Methadone £3 a bottle , skunk weed £10 a gram n 1/2, Jamaican old timers weed £5 per 3
grams , Ryvitril 50p 2ml , Codeine phosphate ( lovley up der nase ) £1 for 90ml. Opium £10 a gram . Speeds
about but sort of retro and hard to get like good quality hash .Im a gemini , sag moon , cap ascendant . Ill try
anything mood alterating . I like pushing the mind about in creative and non sensical ways but with the cap
ascendant there is just so much guilt associated with the usage . The Sag Moon , just makes me push it so hardand so when I get on a roll , I wont stop till im in hospital or the Salvation Army . The Gemini gives me thecuriosity and faith in my own boundries . Its a tough one , cos Neptune on the 11th and nearly everythingforming squares to Uranus ( all that free will and pseudo rebellion ) makes the people and the drugs just keep
coming at me . I live in a city ruled by Neptune . I get clean for 2 weeks and I got social workers and doctors
taking control of my money but I find money and drugs on the streets and Im running back to the frontline ,ego tripping and doing what I think I want , which is being messed up running with yardies and wide boys of allvarieties and ethnic origin . Man , the Somalians are here now , big time and we are all chewing khat andgetting steamed up on that ( bit like a strong coffee but with that betal nut moorishness ) ... Mmm . Its sotricky . Cos when your young and smoking pot with all your middle class friends , imagining these kind of
freedoms to explore your mind , especially if your not from big nasty cities shrouded in neptunes fumes , youfeel almost annoyed that these freedoms are denied you and to be perfectly honest I sort have wouldnt havedone it any other way and of course being a gemini I wouldnt want to deprive experimental youth fromexperimenting , its a birth right but the system has set the drugs up to enslave otherwise brilliant people orperhaps slightly disfunctional people . The drugs should be legal and cheap really . I dont think there would be
as much anxiety and that repressed always return thing . Like how they market games consoles at christmas ,faking a drought . Its crazy . We all die , so you may aswell die being yourself but this Capricorn ascendant justdelivers guilt .
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #74 - on: 22.01.2008 at 20:51 [UT] »Maybe time to work on the knowing when to stop might be the ticket here. (Easy for me to say, I know.)
Yeah, isn't it fascinating, just about the time the government decides it's legal to confiscate any possession
including your house and your car and all your money if they suspect it came from illegal drug sales, all thesepoor neighborhoods were cleared out and the gentrification began. War on drugs my ass.
I am for decriminalization.
What's the guilt from? I understand regret but not guilt.
It's funny, you talk about being manipulated but you go for the carrot on the stick anyway. Is that the Gemini
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Ex Member« Reply #75 - on: 22.01.2008 at 20:55 [UT] »Quote from headbandit on 22.01.2008 at 12:40 [UT]:
Peregrine
Burroughs (wince) he's not role model material to say the least (not preaching about the drug use here... I'd say the pedophilia was quite
enough to make that determination, as much as I enjoyed "Queer" and "Junky")but, now that you mention it, do you have Leary's chart info?

I found an online astro data bank that had it, but you have to pay forthe info, and naturally I'm looking to not have to do thatyou learn something everyday............i was unaware of the pedophilia........please scrap him from the list.......
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Ex Member« Reply #76 - on: 22.01.2008 at 21:11 [UT] »Quote from Renee12456 on 22.01.2008 at 20:51 [UT]:.. War on drugs my ass...
I am for decriminalization.

You bet. The war on drugs was never anything other than class, and to a lesser extent cultural, warfare.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #77 - on: 22.01.2008 at 22:14 [UT] »Quote from Ed Falis on 22.01.2008 at 21:11 [UT]:
Quote from Renee12456 on 22.01.2008 at 20:51 [UT]:.. War on drugs my ass...
I am for decriminalization.

You bet. The war on drugs was never anything other than class, and to a lesser extent cultural, warfare.

I'm partly pro it
I'm partly contra it
There will always be ppl who will be addicted to anything that can be bought legal... that's why i'm against it
But may be if it gets out of the illegality, it loses its glamour to some and it won't be bought
Every sword is double edged
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #78 - on: 23.01.2008 at 00:04 [UT] »Use of drugs and its various moral, ethical and practical issues are a completely different thing than the "war on
drugs" in the US initiated during the Nixon presidency and carried out since then, resulting in something like
1/3 of afro-american males having criminal records.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #79 - on: 23.01.2008 at 03:09 [UT] »After Daylight’s revealing and completely disheartening post, talk quickly turned to the more comfortable topic
of the fault of government. Forget about the government scapegoat for a while and reread Daylight’s post. It’s
all about personal choice.
Are the Greeks too old-fashioned with their ideals of personal dignity, moderation and knowing oneself?
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #80 - on: 23.01.2008 at 06:18 [UT] »Daylight wrote:
Quote:We all die , so you may aswell die being yourself but this Capricorn ascendant just delivers guilt.

How can substances that control a person and that lead to the intervention of other people enable a person tobe him or herself? With drugs one doesn’t die as oneself but as a pawn of drug dealers and of the drug itself.
With blurred vision it’s hard to see the drug’s grin. Yes, I do tend to think there’s a consciousness there and it
isn’t friendly.
Now some astrology. About that Cap Asc. delivering guilt: I read somewhere a long time ago that the Asc. canbe a source of expectations and ‘shoulds’ we have for ourselves. The Asc. as qualities we think we should have,
and ways of acting we think we should follow. I have personally found it applicable. Capricorn probably is saying‘No more of this passive life. Be or achieve something to be proud of’. But then it really isn't the Ascendant thatsays these things, it's ourselves.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #81 - on: 23.01.2008 at 09:49 [UT] »Hey thanks for some interesting perspectives .. I,m kind of trying to recover from all of this messed up stuff .
Its the world I live in and yes the capricorn ascendant is probably my real self , so thats the guilt . I dont reallyexpect drug related threads when I come to this site and I think last night an adrenal trigger was launched inme somewhere , so yeah , bit over the top . I do art and music and have never really been a good capitalist ,so shiny , physical things have little value . Mood alteration is sort of important to me , but yeah , with such a
broad menu on the table its easy to be overwhelmed and become a glutton . I guess the way some people cantsay no to donuts and pies and fashion and media . I guess if food where my thing then I would be obese .I
have my moon in the 12th house , so I like a certain amount of isolation and mood alteration helps with that... The government is up to its neck in it , cos its all about money and our form of democracy is a 2 maybe 3tier system that argue amongs themselves about little issues , freedom of speach , etc meaning too much mudon the walls , average person over whelmed by choice taking the path of least resistance and going with what
they already know and have been programmed to know . By saying that though , without greed and control
there would be no progress , so I imagine the gods are involved and amused also . Destiny ?
Im moving to a place called Brisbane in Australia soon , so I am taking control , cos its like Norway there . Not
much tolerance of poverty and drugs . Could be boring could be good be good for me .

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Ex Member« Reply #82 - on: 23.01.2008 at 15:00 [UT] »best wishes to you daylight ...

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Member« Reply #83 - on: 23.01.2008 at 17:36 [UT] »Quote from Vivisha on 20.01.2008 at 02:39 [UT]:
Quote from mountain on 20.01.2008 at 02:24 [UT]:We infer that status-craving Leos use cocaine as the drug of choice (thanx, Chaos!) but how many Leos know what is theimpact of the refined coca trade on what was once merely an herb used by indigenous Colombian people?

For the record

e's don't crave status...status is 10th house e is 5th and craves recognition for creative efforts..... nor do e's specificallycrave cocaine or...a lecture for that matter.

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Gender:Well said. I have 7 planets in Leo in the 5th, and a Bayer aspirin every once in awhile is about as wild as I get.
For me, it's always been about my creative work, and being true to my inner vision. While fame might benice on certain levels, that's not what ultimately gives Leos the greatest satisfaction.
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Member« Reply #84 - on: 23.01.2008 at 17:40 [UT] »Well, I was born with Neptune oppose my Aries Ascendant, and can't tolerate drugs or alcohol of any kind. I'msure there are others with this or a similar Neptune aspect who share my hyper-sensitivity.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #85 - on: 23.01.2008 at 17:42 [UT] »Quote from LizaNYC on 23.01.2008 at 17:36 [UT]:
Quote from Vivisha on 20.01.2008 at 02:39 [UT]:
Quote from mountain on 20.01.2008 at 02:24 [UT]:We infer that status-craving Leos use cocaine as the drug of choice (thanx, Chaos!) but how many Leosknow what is the impact of the refined coca trade on what was once merely an herb used by indigenous
Colombian people?

e's don't crave status...status is 10th house e is 5th and craves recognition for creative efforts..... nor doe's specifically crave cocaine or...a lecture for that matter.
For the record

Well said. I have 7 planets in Leo in the 5th, and a Bayer aspirin every once in awhile is about as wild as I get.

For me, it's always

been about my creative work, and being true to my inner vision. While fame might be nice on certain levels, that's not what ultimately
gives Leos the greatest satisfaction.

I was only linking a sign to a drug in my opinion
But I can be wrong off course
LizaNYC
Which aspects do your I make, is he technically in 6 or allready in 7?
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Member« Reply #86 - on: 23.01.2008 at 17:49 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 23.01.2008 at 17:42 [UT]:LizaNYC
Which aspects do yourI make, is he technically in 6 or allready in 7?

Hi Chaos,Posts: 542
Gender:My Neptune is in the 7th, opposes my Ascendant, and squares Uranus. I also have a Mercury/Neptune
conjunction by progression. This fuels my interest in mediumship and the paranormal, I believe.

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Ex Member« Reply #87 - on: 23.01.2008 at 17:51 [UT] »Is l on the 12th house cusp or not?
Do you have some f stuff?
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #88 - on: 23.01.2008 at 17:55 [UT] »Quote from Chaos on 23.01.2008 at 17:51 [UT]:Isl on the 12th house cusp or not?

Do you have some

Posts: 542
Gender:f stuff?

Yup, Pisces rules my 12th House, but that House is empty. Virgo rules my 6th, but that House is empty, as well.
However, Mercury is in Virgo, and is peregrine in the 5th. Most of my planets are in Leo in the 5th.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #89 - on: 23.01.2008 at 18:29 [UT] »Liza
Where does your Ne-Ju reside in the chart and Virgo is ruled by Me.The houses you find that axis in the chartand the planets they rule might tell you how to deal with any addictive traits.
Neptune rules escape and Jupiter expansion of those things which we tend to become addicted to.

Posts: 1639
Gender:Mercury and Virgo can be critical of those parts of our being and others we tend to be annoyed with which isthe foundation sometimes for use.At some point we turn the critical part up for health concerns or else dissolve
into the addiction.
If you have the Tuarus-Scorpio Axis marked then it becomes a sensual pleasure at times instead of escape also.
Having Neptune in opposition to Sn/Nerc/Ve in the 5th-11th houses I have been through addicition as I get
addicted to the air I breath.On the other side if Ju is prominaent as mine is then you can also have in infectous
jest for life which can overcome the addictive aspects of your being where you will find life is more worthy ofliving then the short term effect will be of using posionous substances.All things we introduce to the body arepoisonous unless they are natural.
I have Pisces at my MC with Ne trine it alomost exact with Ju on the 7th.
My sister struggles with substance abuse and attends AA daily which I have never needed,but it has worked formany of my family. My father died clean after many yrs. of Alcohol abuse.
My sister also suffers from chronic pain which is impossible for words to discribe as to what I have witnessed
her go through.
I have learned to hate whatis destuctive(Pluto/Neptune) and tend to place emphasis on what is beneficial to mysouls growth.I stay away from the negative as much as possible.
I will also note that the Axis of Taurus-Scorpio will have problems with whatever those having it prominarent
which they introduce into their systems. I have to watch what I even work around as I had my Thyroid burn out
due to the chemicals I worked around as for my choosen occupation.
I am no health food junky,but I do watch some of those things which my body does not take to well.
BTW I was born and raised in NYC and reside in Maine now.
Hope that helps as I know that addictions are very hard to overcome let alone deal with.

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Member« Reply #90 - on: 23.01.2008 at 18:31 [UT] »Aries sun
Virgo rising
Moon in Sagittarius (4th) Cancer ruling 11th.
Neptune on IC in Sagittarius.
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Gender:

NEVER done any drugs (except like doctor prescribed ones but even these in moderation). Don't smoke anddrink very little (I think I was first drunk when I was 28). Don't like coffee (except Caffe Latte). My addiction isthough sugary drinks (Coca Cola, lemonade etc).
My Mom smoked though and I hated it. My Uncle had an alcohol problem and well, my Mom cannot take any
alcohol, so I guess I've been influenced not to drink or smoke.

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Member« Reply #91 - on: 23.01.2008 at 18:41 [UT] »Quote from Astro Healer on 23.01.2008 at 18:29 [UT]:
Liza
Where does your Ne-Ju reside in the chart and Virgo is ruled by Me.The houses you find that axis in the chart and the planets they rulemight tell you how to deal with any addictive traits.
Neptune rules escape and Jupiter expansion of those things which we tend to become addicted to.
Mercury and Virgo can be critical of those parts of our being and others we tend to be annoyed with which is the foundation sometimes for

Posts: 542
Gender:use.At some point we turn the critical part up for health concerns or else dissolve into the addiction.
If you have the Tuarus-Scorpio Axis marked then it becomes a sensual pleasure at times instead of escape also.
Having Neptune in opposition to Sn/Nerc/Ve in the 5th-11th houses I have been through addicition as I get addicted to the air I breath.On
the other side if Ju is prominaent as mine is then you can also have in infectous jest for life which can overcome the addictive aspects ofyour being where you will find life is more worthy of living then the short term effect will be of using posionous substances.All things weintroduce to the body are poisonous unless they are natural.
I have Pisces at my MC with Ne trine it alomost exact with Ju on the 7th.
My sister struggles with substance abuse and attends AA daily which I have never needed,but it has worked for many of my family. My
father died clean after many yrs. of Alcohol abuse.
My sister also suffers from chronic pain which is impossible for words to discribe as to what I have witnessed her go through.
I have learned to hate whatis destuctive(Pluto/Neptune) and tend to place emphasis on what is beneficial to my souls growth.I stay awayfrom the negative as much as possible.
I will also note that the Axis of Taurus-Scorpio will have problems with whatever those having it prominarent which they introduce into
their systems. I have to watch what I even work around as I had my Thyroid burn out due to the chemicals I worked around as for mychoosen occupation.
I am no health food junky,but I do watch some of those things which my body does not take to well.
BTW I was born and raised in NYC and reside in Maine now.
Hope that helps as I know that addictions are very hard to overcome let alone deal with.

Hi Astro Healer,Thanks for your thoughtful response.
I'm not addicted to anything -- anything unhealthy, that is!
I was wondering what in my chart shows why
I can't tolerate drugs or alcohol of any kind, except for an occasional aspirin. I also can't eat processed foodwith chemicals, artificial flavors/colors, and preservatives, sticking to a Whole Foods diet instead. So would
Neptune oppose my Aries Ascendant point to my hyper, almost psychic, sensitivity? I also have a Moon/Jupiterconjunction, which has always given me a strong intuitive sense of what's best for me to put inside my body,
both with food and drugs. As I wrote above, Mercury is in Virgo, in the 5th, and is peregrine. So I suppose
what we become "addicted" to depends on where we are in our personal evolution. Neptune can play out eitherway, in my opinion. We can become addicted to unhealthy substances, or as you write above, to "fresh air" - amuch wiser choice!

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #92 - on: 23.01.2008 at 19:51 [UT] »Off course I can play out either way
It's all in our awareness... in our selfconsciousness

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Ex Member« Reply #93 - on: 24.01.2008 at 02:11 [UT] »Quote from LizaNYC on 23.01.2008 at 17:55 [UT]:
Quote from Chaos on 23.01.2008 at 17:51 [UT]:Isl on the 12th house cusp or not?

Do you have somef stuff?

Yup, Pisces rules my 12th House, but that House is empty. Virgo rules my 6th, but that House is empty, as well. However, Mercury is in
Virgo, and is peregrine in the 5th. Most of my planets are in Leo in the 5th.

Liza you may be happy to know that your Mercury is not peregrine if it is in its own sign Virgo. Peregrine is aterm that is used in Medieval astrology to describe a planet that doesn't have any of the five essential dignities
by its placement in the zodiac. The five essential dignities are Sign, Exaltation, Triplicity, Term, and Face.
In addition if your Sun is in Leo then your Mercury is also in its Face according to Ptolemy.
Definition of Face
There is so much contradictory testimony with reference to this term that the entire subject has been ignoredby many modern authorities.
(1) As employed by Ptolemy, a planet in a House that is distant counter-clockwise (he means backwards bysign)from the Moon, or clockwise (he means forward by sign)from the Sun by the same number of Houses as
the Sign, is in its Face. This means that Mercury is in its Face when in a House preceding that of the Moon, or
following that of the Sun; Venus, when two Houses preceding or following; Mars, three Houses; Jupiter, fourHouses; or Saturn, five Houses - duplicating in Houses from the actual Sun and Moon positions, the scheme of
Sign-Rulership from Cancer and Leo, around to Capricorn and Aquarius.
(2) James Wilson gives a series of 10° Faces which are merely the scheme of Decanates with their Rulers
according to one of the ancient Systems. Since this is only a distinction of terms without a difference inmeaning, the employment of the term Face in this sense is confusing and unnecessary.
(3) Alan Leo defines a Face as one of a series of 5° subdivisions of a Sign. His fondness for symbolism isreflected in the interpretations which he applies to those who have a rising Degree in each of the 72 arcs in thisseries of what might better be called demi-Decans. v. Signs, Subdivisions of.
(Nicholas deVore - Encyclopedia of Astrology)
My corrections to clockwise and counter clockwise are according to the book "Astrological Roots the Hellenistic
Legacy by Joseph Crane. SSML
PS the use of the word house by deVore is confusing here as as the ancients used "house" to mean "sign".
Ptolemy's use of Face involved counting the zoida (signs) between the Sun or Moon and the planet in question.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #94 - on: 24.01.2008 at 08:44 [UT] »Daylight,
I wish you all the best.
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Member« Reply #95 - on: 24.01.2008 at 14:31 [UT] »Quote from SunSagMoonLib on 24.01.2008 at 02:11 [UT]:
Quote from LizaNYC on 23.01.2008 at 17:55 [UT]:
Quote from Chaos on 23.01.2008 at 17:51 [UT]:Isl on the 12th house cusp or not?

Do you have some

Posts: 542
Gender:f stuff?

Yup, Pisces rules my 12th House, but that House is empty. Virgo rules my 6th, but that House is empty, as well. However,Mercury is in Virgo, and is peregrine in the 5th. Most of my planets are in Leo in the 5th.

Liza you may be happy to know that your Mercury is not peregrine if it is in its own sign Virgo. Peregrine is a term that is used in Medieval
astrology to describe a planet that doesn't have any of the five essential dignities by its placement in the zodiac. The five essential
dignities are Sign, Exaltation, Triplicity, Term, and Face.
In addition if your Sun is in Leo then your Mercury is also in its Face according to Ptolemy.
Definition of Face
There is so much contradictory testimony with reference to this term that the entire subject has been ignored by many modern authorities.
(1) As employed by Ptolemy, a planet in a House that is distant counter-clockwise (he means backwards by sign)from the Moon, or
clockwise (he means forward by sign)from the Sun by the same number of Houses as the Sign, is in its Face. This means that Mercury isin its Face when in a House preceding that of the Moon, or following that of the Sun; Venus, when two Houses preceding or following;Mars, three Houses; Jupiter, four Houses; or Saturn, five Houses - duplicating in Houses from the actual Sun and Moon positions, thescheme of Sign-Rulership from Cancer and Leo, around to Capricorn and Aquarius.
(2) James Wilson gives a series of 10° Faces which are merely the scheme of Decanates with their Rulers according to one of the ancient
Systems. Since this is only a distinction of terms without a difference in meaning, the employment of the term Face in this sense isconfusing and unnecessary.
(3) Alan Leo defines a Face as one of a series of 5° subdivisions of a Sign. His fondness for symbolism is reflected in the interpretations
which he applies to those who have a rising Degree in each of the 72 arcs in this series of what might better be called demi-Decans. v.
Signs, Subdivisions of.
(Nicholas deVore - Encyclopedia of Astrology)
My corrections to clockwise and counter clockwise are according to the book "Astrological Roots the Hellenistic Legacy by Joseph Crane.
SSML

SunSagMoonLib That's really fascinating! I've been told by so many astrologers, including Noel Tyl, that my Mercury isperegrine - so I appreciate your posting all this great info, and I'm going to study it further. Thanks again.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #96 - on: 24.01.2008 at 21:35 [UT] »Quote from LizaNYC on 23.01.2008 at 18:41 [UT]:
Quote from Astro Healer on 23.01.2008 at 18:29 [UT]:
Liza
Where does your Ne-Ju reside in the chart and Virgo is ruled by Me.The houses you find that axis in the chart and theplanets they rule might tell you how to deal with any addictive traits.
Neptune rules escape and Jupiter expansion of those things which we tend to become addicted to.
Mercury and Virgo can be critical of those parts of our being and others we tend to be annoyed with which is the foundation

Posts: 1639
Gender:sometimes for use.At some point we turn the critical part up for health concerns or else dissolve into the addiction.
If you have the Tuarus-Scorpio Axis marked then it becomes a sensual pleasure at times instead of escape also.
Having Neptune in opposition to Sn/Nerc/Ve in the 5th-11th houses I have been through addicition as I get addicted to the
air I breath.On the other side if Ju is prominaent as mine is then you can also have in infectous jest for life which canovercome the addictive aspects of your being where you will find life is more worthy of living then the short term effectwill be of using posionous substances.All things we introduce to the body are poisonous unless they are natural.
I have Pisces at my MC with Ne trine it alomost exact with Ju on the 7th.
My sister struggles with substance abuse and attends AA daily which I have never needed,but it has worked for many of
my family. My father died clean after many yrs. of Alcohol abuse.
My sister also suffers from chronic pain which is impossible for words to discribe as to what I have witnessed her gothrough.
I have learned to hate whatis destuctive(Pluto/Neptune) and tend to place emphasis on what is beneficial to my souls
growth.I stay away from the negative as much as possible.
I will also note that the Axis of Taurus-Scorpio will have problems with whatever those having it prominarent which they
introduce into their systems. I have to watch what I even work around as I had my Thyroid burn out due to the chemicals I
worked around as for my choosen occupation.
I am no health food junky,but I do watch some of those things which my body does not take to well.
BTW I was born and raised in NYC and reside in Maine now.
Hope that helps as I know that addictions are very hard to overcome let alone deal with.

Hi Astro Healer,Thanks for your thoughtful response.
I'm not addicted to anything -- anything unhealthy, that is!

I was wondering what in my chart shows why I can't tolerate drugs or

alcohol of any kind, except for an occasional aspirin. I also can't eat processed food with chemicals, artificial flavors/colors, andpreservatives, sticking to a Whole Foods diet instead. So would Neptune oppose my Aries Ascendant point to my hyper, almost psychic,
sensitivity? I also have a Moon/Jupiter conjunction, which has always given me a strong intuitive sense of what's best for me to put inside
my body, both with food and drugs. As I wrote above, Mercury is in Virgo, in the 5th, and is peregrine. So I suppose what we become"addicted" to depends on where we are in our personal evolution. Neptune can play out either way, in my opinion. We can become
addicted to unhealthy substances, or as you write above, to "fresh air" - a much wiser choice!

Liza:
Please send me your chart datda as I cannot remember seeing it.I did read your Ne-7th op. Asc.. If it is posted
somewhere I willl look at it.
There must be a sensitive or critical Virgo placement.
It might be Taurus making you sensitive or some other factor in the chart.
I having a Tau stellium makes me sensitive to many things also.
Cancer and the Moon makes one sensitive also.
It is good that you hate drugs in any form .
Regards,AH
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #97 - on: 28.01.2008 at 11:29 [UT] »Quote from Astro Healer on 24.01.2008 at 21:35 [UT]:
Quote from LizaNYC on 23.01.2008 at 18:41 [UT]:
Quote from Astro Healer on 23.01.2008 at 18:29 [UT]:
Liza
Where does your Ne-Ju reside in the chart and Virgo is ruled by Me.The houses you find that axis in thechart and the planets they rule might tell you how to deal with any addictive traits.
Neptune rules escape and Jupiter expansion of those things which we tend to become addicted to.
Mercury and Virgo can be critical of those parts of our being and others we tend to be annoyed with which isthe foundation sometimes for use.At some point we turn the critical part up for health concerns or else
dissolve into the addiction.
If you have the Tuarus-Scorpio Axis marked then it becomes a sensual pleasure at times instead of escape
also.
Having Neptune in opposition to Sn/Nerc/Ve in the 5th-11th houses I have been through addicition as I get
addicted to the air I breath.On the other side if Ju is prominaent as mine is then you can also have in
infectous jest for life which can overcome the addictive aspects of your being where you will find life is more
worthy of living then the short term effect will be of using posionous substances.All things we introduce tothe body are poisonous unless they are natural.
I have Pisces at my MC with Ne trine it alomost exact with Ju on the 7th.
My sister struggles with substance abuse and attends AA daily which I have never needed,but it has worked
for many of my family. My father died clean after many yrs. of Alcohol abuse.
My sister also suffers from chronic pain which is impossible for words to discribe as to what I have witnessed
her go through.
I have learned to hate whatis destuctive(Pluto/Neptune) and tend to place emphasis on what is beneficial to
my souls growth.I stay away from the negative as much as possible.
I will also note that the Axis of Taurus-Scorpio will have problems with whatever those having it prominarent
which they introduce into their systems. I have to watch what I even work around as I had my Thyroid burnout due to the chemicals I worked around as for my choosen occupation.
I am no health food junky,but I do watch some of those things which my body does not take to well.
BTW I was born and raised in NYC and reside in Maine now.
Hope that helps as I know that addictions are very hard to overcome let alone deal with.

Hi Astro Healer,Thanks for your thoughtful response.
I'm not addicted to anything -- anything unhealthy, that is!

I was wondering what in my chart shows why I can'ttolerate drugs or alcohol of any kind, except for an occasional aspirin. I also can't eat processed food with chemicals,
artificial flavors/colors, and preservatives, sticking to a Whole Foods diet instead. So would Neptune oppose my Aries
Ascendant point to my hyper, almost psychic, sensitivity? I also have a Moon/Jupiter conjunction, which has always given
me a strong intuitive sense of what's best for me to put inside my body, both with food and drugs. As I wrote above,
Mercury is in Virgo, in the 5th, and is peregrine. So I suppose what we become "addicted" to depends on where we are in
our personal evolution. Neptune can play out either way, in my opinion. We can become addicted to unhealthy substances,or as you write above, to "fresh air" - a much wiser choice!

Liza:
Please send me your chart datda as I cannot remember seeing it.I did read your Ne-7th op. Asc.. If it is posted somewhere I willl look at
it.
There must be a sensitive or critical Virgo placement.
It might be Taurus making you sensitive or some other factor in the chart.
I having a Tau stellium makes me sensitive to many things also.
Cancer and the Moon makes one sensitive also.
It is good that you hate drugs in any form .
Regards,AH

Why makes the B senstitive?
Due to the fact she rules our body fluids?
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #98 - on: 28.01.2008 at 13:58 [UT] »Quote from daylight on 23.01.2008 at 09:49 [UT]:
Hey thanks for some interesting perspectives .. I,m kind of trying to recover from all of this messed up stuff ....Im moving to a placecalled Brisbane in Australia soon , so I am taking control , cos its like Norway there . Not much tolerance of poverty and drugs . Could beboring could be good be good for me .

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Gender:Can i just say that isn't correct. I don't know when you last lived in Brisbane, but it must have have been 100
yrs ago. People all over the world are in poverty. People also get what they want - regardless. Though, Brisbane
does have a great big sun, maybe the homeless junkies all have great tans (hides the pasty skin, maybe that's
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Member« Reply #99 - on: 28.01.2008 at 14:40 [UT] »I've not read everything, seems like an interesting thread tho lol!
I've done every drug, an most my freind have. Great fun, while it lasts.
I'm clean now btw.
Posts: 83
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Personaly i'd catagorize it like thisMutable: Uppers
Cardinal: Trippers/ everything equal
Fixed: Downers
I've just got his vision of a virgo on rittalin rushing around cleaning the house like a wirlwind. lol.
Calm down girl! smoke some weed... says the taurus..
I used to know a lot of girls on anti-depresants, most of them were gemmini.
all the Pisces i know love E the best, cokes rediculiously addictive to them.. or anyone realy.
I'd immagine heroin being the one drug that a capricorn would turn to when there whole world has crashed. No
life ambition enters at this point.
Sag would get pretty hooked on E, mainly cos they would like it better when there freinds were on it (Oh god iLOVE u man)
Trippers are tricky. more to do with plannets than signs i'd say.
Acids way happyer than people think, good venus/jupiter.. sunny placements.
Mushrooms are like swimming into the dark depths of your mind an the world around you, Pluto + Uranus
Ketamin lets you experience feelings+emotions in a _truly_ impartial way, moon + nep
Others..
Coke, Speed, Rittalin.. Mars+Saturn maybe Merc.
LoL, that was fun. all just my own opinion.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #100 - on: 28.01.2008 at 16:33 [UT] »Speed Amfetamin and Metamfetmin is for e and a for sure

! Only partially so for c and i

Hasch Cannabis is for MC j 10th+Asca and MC e 11th+Ascg combos.

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While Morphin must be one with that tragical poetics of my kind MC j 9th+Ascb combos. What is more betterway to flee from this dark world than by driving your boat to some deepest spot on ocean and then take somegood dose Morphin whereby the boat explodes and you are going down to the deep. Nobody will ever find you
there and why should they? At least we don't have to bother about being copulated by some retarted
necrophiles.

Ever hearing about some japanese couples that disappear every year in Japan because their honour would not
let them live in todays insane world? It reminds of seppuku but it is less painful maybe because of Morphin.

Oh, and those muslim terrorists have their honorable deaths as well even if they so happen to be in Speed
addiction at the time.
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Member« Reply #101 - on: 28.01.2008 at 20:19 [UT] »I hate drugs.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #102 - on: 28.01.2008 at 20:43 [UT] »At least we don't have to bother about being copulated by some retarted necrophiles
I'm glad I can cross that worry off my list.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #103 - on: 28.01.2008 at 23:13 [UT] »Quote from Mr Weird on 28.01.2008 at 14:40 [UT]:
I've not read everything, seems like an interesting thread tho lol!
I've done every drug, an most my freind have. Great fun, while it lasts.
I'm clean now btw.
Personaly i'd catagorize it like thisMutable: Uppers
Cardinal: Trippers/ everything equal
Fixed: Downers
I've just got his vision of a virgo on rittalin rushing around cleaning the house like a wirlwind. lol.
Calm down girl! smoke some weed... says the taurus..
I used to know a lot of girls on anti-depresants, most of them were gemmini.
all the Pisces i know love E the best, cokes rediculiously addictive to them.. or anyone realy.
I'd immagine heroin being the one drug that a capricorn would turn to when there whole world has crashed. No life ambition enters at thispoint.
Sag would get pretty hooked on E, mainly cos they would like it better when there freinds were on it (Oh god i LOVE u man)
Trippers are tricky. more to do with plannets than signs i'd say.
Acids way happyer than people think, good venus/jupiter.. sunny placements.
Mushrooms are like swimming into the dark depths of your mind an the world around you, Pluto + Uranus
Ketamin lets you experience feelings+emotions in a _truly_ impartial way, moon + nep
Others..
Coke, Speed, Rittalin.. Mars+Saturn maybe Merc.
LoL, that was fun. all just my own opinion.

Nice point of view
But I would switch, i would put uppers with cardinal and trippers with mutable
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #104 - on: 29.01.2008 at 05:07 [UT] »In a way I have to believe that a good portion of the signs would look at this thread. Go through thier own
drug use history and relize that whatever they tried. They thought it was bringing out the best in them. I also
still smoke and drink so much coffee that. My nerves twitch at the thought of the "white powder drugs."

BmCEI and midheaven. I freaks me out that we all become to judgmental because I think one of mydreams was to die painlessly at home.
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Member« Reply #105 - on: 29.01.2008 at 05:31 [UT] »It's not about being judgemental. I have two cousins who used drugs, heroin. One died from a drug overdose,and another, (his brother), even though he is now off drugs has black teeth, and a shrunken looking head.
Heroin actually changes the way you look. It gives you a certain shrunken head type of look. So even though
you may be off heroin, people will always know that you once used.
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Gender:My cousins were really good people, but while they were using drugs, they cause their parents so much griefand pain.

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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #106 - on: 03.02.2008 at 19:32 [UT] »uppers with cardinal and trippers with mutable.. That sounds much better, nice one

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Gender:An Ex girlfreind of mine's brother did alot of heroin, his head WAS a little shrunken actualy! wow
Thats a pretty bad drug to base all other drugs on, there's alot of fun/inspration to be had with some of thelesser drugs.
Moderation is always the hardest thing to maintain, and the most essential to enjoy urself.
I swear blind that MDMA could be used in psycological group sessions to cure depression an socialisingproblems.

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Ex Member« Reply #107 - on: 03.02.2008 at 19:49 [UT] »It's been used to good effect with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. There was permanent relief for some, and inothers, relief for a few months. It would be great if we could find a way to help PTSD in veterans. The suicide
rate of veterans now is high.
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Re: Drugs for every sign, legal or illegal« Reply #108 - on: 04.02.2008 at 16:31 [UT] »Quote from Renee12456 on 03.02.2008 at 19:49 [UT]:
It's been used to good effect with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. There was permanent relief for some, and in others, relief for a few
months. It would be great if we could find a way to help PTSD in veterans. The suicide rate of veterans now is high.

If it prooves to be good, why not?
It seems to be comforting that MDMA has more use then only being a party drug, I used it sometimes in thatway, but I found it too intense (and too mind altering)
Is there still something like medical marijuana for cancer patients in the USA or was it never like that?
And moderation is also hard to maintain with alcohol
I'm rarely moderate... when I start using something, i use it all the way... like if I buy a packet of cookies,
they're all finished in half an hour, or when I start drinking tea, all the tea bags are gone in one day
So I'm moderate in healthy and unhealthy stuff
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