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Anastasia
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« on: 13.04.2007 at 02:19 [UT+1] »When a person dies medically, meaning the heart stops beating, and is able to be brought back to life, should a
new birth chart be drawn for the new time and place that the person comes back to life at? If so, does thatmake the orignal birth chart void, validated, or enhanced?

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Anastasia

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« Reply #1 - on: 13.04.2007 at 13:55 [UT+1] »Thinking about this topic more, I was also wondering if death charts are created for the time and place a person
dies? Would there be any relavance to comparing their death chart to their birth chart for the purpose offurthering the study of astrology?

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« Reply #2 - on: 13.04.2007 at 16:09 [UT+1] »Quote from Anastasia on 13.04.2007 at 02:19 [UT+1]:
When a person dies medically, meaning the heart stops beating, and is able to be brought back to life, should a new birth chart be drawn
for the new time and place that the person comes back to life at? If so, does that make the orignal birth chart void, validated, or
enhanced?

Wow, an incredibly fascinating question. My hunch says no as far as do I think a new chart would be a better fit
than the old or something.
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new chart could enhance the old chart, not as in personality analysis, because I honestly think your nature
would be the same, but as an indicator somehow of the why the person has returned - what work they should
be focusing on now, giving insight to where to direct their lives from here on out.
I'm interested to see what others bring to the discussion!!!
Amy

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« Reply #3 - on: 13.04.2007 at 17:15 [UT+1] »This is an interesting question. I would tend to agree that a new chart would not supplant or replace theoriginal birth chart. There is no real birth in the case of resuscitation, at least not a total one. It seems more
like an interruption of the solar/vital energies which then resumes. There is not the appearance of a completely
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Gender:new body, mind, spirit and soul. The persons original character and characteristics would probably continue
after such an event, though perhaps altered in some way. I look at the phenomenon more like a solar eclipse,
where that solar/vital force is temporarily interrupted, but then returns.
Maybe what might be used here is a synastric chart, where the second "birth" is overlain around the nativity. Or
a composite chart which combines the two to form a third.

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Lindac7
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« Reply #4 - on: 13.04.2007 at 18:01 [UT+1] »My gut instinct here is to say that the death/rebirth would then alter the original natal chart somewhat, but toreplace the original natal chart with a new one doesn't make sense to me.
I'm not sure a composite chart combining the two charts is a good idea; to me, that just further muddies theenergies between the two moments of birth. I think showing the second birth as a progressed chart makes
more sense.
I would be more interested in looking for Pluto/Scorpio connections in the original natal chart with maybe
Uranus or Pluto transits at the time of the second birth that might indicate the second birth in the first place.
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« Reply #5 - on: 13.04.2007 at 18:51 [UT+1] »I would think that a progressed chart would suffice for that time and place of near-death.

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« Reply #6 - on: 13.04.2007 at 18:59 [UT+1] »I do not completely agree with what has been said here. When one person is "reborn", then s/he starts tochange a lot, it's not an instantaneous change, but in a few months, several changes can be appreciated in the
behaviour of the person, so the new chart would mark the tendencies of the evolution of the old behaviour.
However, I do agree with the new lessons to be learnt that can be seen in the new chart.
We must remember that "rebirths" do not happen everyday so important changes take place in these cases andmany interesting things may be learnt if we look at this event carefully.
Anyway, the best way to state what should be done is by making experiments.
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Anastasia

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« Reply #7 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:04 [UT+1] »What about the possibility of reincarnation of another soul when the physical body dies and is reawakened? If
that happens, the soul would still be restricted to the physical limites of the body itself (which includes thebrain's abilities) but the preception of these limits and their life may change dramatically. Does anyone know ofsomeone who's near-death experience changed them?

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Lindac7
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« Reply #8 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:08 [UT+1] »Based on what I've read of people who have had Near Death Experiences (NDEs), they do usually change a lot
after returning. I still think, though, that an indication of this can be found by looking at thetransits/progressions that occurred at the moment of the NDE. Typically they become more compassionate
toward others and less interested in material things, and that is by and large the extent of their change.
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« Reply #9 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:14 [UT+1] »Quote from Lindac7 on 13.04.2007 at 19:08 [UT+1]:
I still think, though, that an indication of this can be found by looking at the transits/progressions that occurred at the moment of the
NDE.

At the moment of death or at the moment of reawakening? There could be several minutes between the two.

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« Reply #10 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:14 [UT+1] »Quote from Anastasia on 13.04.2007 at 19:04 [UT+1]:
What about the possibility of reincarnation of another soul when the physical body dies and is reawakened? If that happens, the soul would
still be restricted to the physical limites of the body itself (which includes the brain's abilities) but the preception of these limits and theirlife may change dramatically. Does anyone know of someone who's near-death experience changed them?

I actually had a near-death experience, and what I saw was not a beautiful white light. It was more darkness
than anything else until I saw a portal opening and the face of a particular cartoon character showed up before
I was pulled back into my own body. It wasn't one of those popular characters, but one drawn by Frank
Woodring.
Years later, when I met Woodring at a comics convention in San Diego, I told him about my experience. His
response was, "Oh, that is not good." Considering that his Frank cartoon series (that character was the one
whose face I saw) shows both black-and-white and brightly colored images of bizarre animal-like creatures (suchas Man-hog) suffering greatly, I can only think that what I almost entered was Hell. If something like that
doesn't change you, nothing will I suppose.
Anyway, I've included an image of Woodring's Frank character. I wonder if he saw this in a near-deathexperience as well?
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Anastasia

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« Reply #11 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:21 [UT+1] »Quote from cynthpoet on 13.04.2007 at 19:14 [UT+1]:
I actually had a near-death experience

I am so sorry to hear your experience was so dark. Thank you for sharing with us.
Have you ever compared your 2 "birth" charts to shed any light on the event?

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Lindac7
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« Reply #12 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:22 [UT+1] »Anastasia,
My post above was only in response to what Pableras said; you and I were posting at the same time and I
didn't see your post until afterward.
I understand that the moment of the NDE and moment of reawakening could be minutes apart. Of couse, I am
referring to the very moment of reawakening. I just didn't go to the trouble to be that specific.
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« Reply #13 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:40 [UT+1] »Quote from Anastasia on 13.04.2007 at 19:21 [UT+1]:
Quote from cynthpoet on 13.04.2007 at 19:14 [UT+1]:
I actually had a near-death experience

I am so sorry to hear your experience was so dark. Thank you for sharing with us.
Have you ever compared your 2 "birth" charts to shed any light on the event?

I don't remember the exact date and time of the event. It was in San Francisco sometime during the Summerof 1991 early in the afternoon. That's pretty much all I remember except that I was alone in a room and not
anywhere near medical professionals.
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Anastasia
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« Reply #14 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:42 [UT+1] »Linda,
I don't know much about NDE. That's the beauty of a forum setting.
I'm sorry if needing the clarification offended you. I wasn't attempting to belittle your knowledge.
Thanks,Anastasia

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Lindac7

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« Reply #15 - on: 13.04.2007 at 19:48 [UT+1] »Anastasia,
You didn't offend me at all. The fact that you needed to ask the question made me realize that I should havebeen more specific. In my mind, I was simply lumping in the time of the beginning of the NDE with the end ofit (moment of reawakening), since these moments don't usually last very long in the first place.
No need to apologize; it's not a problem at all.
You are absolutely correct that the moment of reawakening should be considered the moment of birth.
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« Reply #16 - on: 13.04.2007 at 20:18 [UT+1] »Come to think of it, it was not in the Summer. I have been struggling with this memory, and trying to place it
within a context of other events that occurred at the same time in my life. It was probably much earlier in
1991. I've been working around what would be the most probable date and time while creating event charts on
a day-to-day basis around the general area of late winter months.
What I've seen as the most likely candidate for this event would be 26 February 1991 at 14:10 in San
Francisco. Not only is there a Yod between Mars in Gemini (11th house), Moon in Leo (2nd house) and Uranus
in Capricorn (6th house), but there are some serious conjunctions as well, which I will list:
Mercury conjunct Sun (both Pisces/last descant of 8th house)
Venus conjunct MC (Aries)
Chiron/South Node/Asc conjunction (Cancer)
Neptune/Uranus/True Lilith conjunction (Capricorn/6th house)

Could all these point to a near-death/rebirth experience? Is this the most probable time and date of thisevent? Like I said, it's not easy to substantiate exact date and time since there were no medical professionals
around and I was literally on my own.
Edited:I've included a chart that I created for this probable time and place of the NDE event.

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« Reply #17 - on: 13.04.2007 at 20:22 [UT+1] »I know this is a very difficult topic - so truly I mean no disrespect when I ask this. If you were alone, how do
you know you actually died?

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« Reply #18 - on: 13.04.2007 at 20:43 [UT+1] »Quote from Anastasia on 13.04.2007 at 20:22 [UT+1]:
I know this is a very difficult topic - so truly I mean no disrespect when I ask this. If you were alone, how do you know you actually died?

I have to trust my own perceptions about this. I don't think it was an hallucination, and there was a toxic levelof lithium involved due to some miscommunication between myself and my then psychiatrist. You see, no one
explained to me that I had to keep the same dosage of lithium in my body, nor did anyone explain to me thefact that lithium toxicity can occur if there is too much in the blood. Also, I was either ignorant or unawarethat drinking one glass of wine would complicate my medications as well. I had just been diagnosed withbipolar and did not spend very much time in hospital when I was discharged. No one told me anything about
dealing with this new medication.
I had forgotten to tell my doctor that I was running low, so I decreased the dosage. When I came back after
my blood levels were evaluated, he increased my dosage to a much higher level because I was too intimidated
to tell him that I had cut back on my meds to make them last until the next session.
When this happened, I was living in a residential hotel room alone. And I had had one glass of white wine
before I ended up on the floor of my room. Pretty much everyone keeps to him/herself at such a place, so no
one was there in the room with me and no one knew that I was in this physical state. Therefore, no one wasable to call the emergency number (here in the States, it's 911) and I could very well have perished there.
I am extremely lucky to be alive considering the situation. And I certainly know better now. I don't even drink
communion wine at my church! (We have a choice of wine or grape juice, and I choose the juice.)
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« Reply #19 - on: 13.04.2007 at 20:52 [UT+1] »One does not have to physically die to see what death is like. psychic life and death are here right on Earth or
one could postuate them; When Saturn, Chiron, Pluto, Eris or something aspects a personal planet there is loss
and detachment from the physical world into the inner mind. Depression can result which is a normal part ofthe life and death cycle from outer to inner. Unlived life, unfullfulled desires, and unfinshed business are what
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Saturn is about. The more the psychic pain the more one is reincarnated. We can only speculate what a persons
next life would be; something would have to change; something would move over to the next sign, or differnt
kind of aspect etc. The wheel of life is the Zodiacal wheel which starts with Aries and ends with Pisces. Peoples
tales of the after life is are usually positive and peaceful.

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Anastasia
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« Reply #20 - on: 13.04.2007 at 20:58 [UT+1] »Quote from Geoffrey Hillend on 13.04.2007 at 20:52 [UT+1]:
One does not have to physically die to see what death is like. psychic life and death are here right on Earth or one could postuate them;

I agree with you that death is all around us here on earth and we have an ongoing experience with it. However,
I'm referring to medical death, when the heart stops beating. I'd be interested is hear how your thoughts would
apply to that?
I have been thinking about a psychic thread as it relates to astrology. Great thoughts.

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« Reply #21 - on: 13.04.2007 at 20:59 [UT+1] »Quote from Geoffrey Hillend on 13.04.2007 at 20:52 [UT+1]:
One does not have to physically die to see what death is like. psychic life and death are here right on Earth or one could postuate them;
When Saturn, Chiron, Pluto, Eris or something aspects a personal planet there is loss and detachment from the physical world into theinner mind. Depression can result which is a normal part of the life and death cycle from outer to inner. Unlived life, unfullfulled desires,and unfinshed business are what Saturn is about. The more the psychic pain the more one is reincarnated. We can only speculate what apersons next life would be; something would have to change; something would move over to the next sign, or differnt kind of aspect etc.
The wheel of life is the Zodiacal wheel which starts with Aries and ends with Pisces. Peoples tales of the after life is are usually positiveand peaceful.

I hope you are not trying to downplay my experience simply because of a psychiatric diagnosis. That would be
unfortunate since I have had to deal with that way too much in my life, even from others with similar (orworse) diagnoses! And please do not downplay the reality of lithium toxicity and interactions with alchohol.
Medication mistakes such as this have caused death, most notably in the lives of celebrities. This is a lethal
combination of chemicals, and to suggest that this could not cause actual physical death would be a grave
error.
What actually convinces me that I could very well have died and gone to Hell was my perception that right after
seeing what I saw, in less than a second's worth of time I felt pulled back and took a deep breath as my eyes
opened. That would definitely be considered a sign of a Near Death Experience.
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« Reply #22 - on: 13.04.2007 at 21:03 [UT+1] »Cynthpoet,
I didn't get the impression that Geoffrey was trying to downplay your experience at all; in fact, I don't think hewas speaking specifically about your experience. He was simply sharing some things he's heard or learned
about death in general from another perspective.
Peace,
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« Reply #23 - on: 13.04.2007 at 21:06 [UT+1] »Interesting thread! I suppose a "re-birth chart" isn't out of the question.
I'd definitely be curious what was going on with Pluto/Scorpio/8th house in the birth chart at the moment of"death", though. And if Uranus was up to anything.
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« Reply #24 - on: 13.04.2007 at 21:09 [UT+1] »Quote from Lindac7 on 13.04.2007 at 21:03 [UT+1]:
Cynthpoet,
I didn't get the impression that Geoffrey was trying to downplay your experience at all; in fact, I don't think he was speaking specifically
about your experience. He was simply sharing some things he's heard or learned about death in general from another perspective.
Peace,
Linda >'='<

Sorry. Duly noted. It's just that I've gotten used to the reality that many people around me acutally havedone this to me, so I find it difficult to see anything else around me.
No excuse for my overreacting. Still, it needs to be said that just because there is no one to hear the tree fallin the forest, that doesn't mean that the tree is somehow still rooted in the ground. Metaphorically speaking,of course. I'm sure there are quite a few NDEs that occur outside of a medical setting.
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« Reply #25 - on: 13.04.2007 at 21:17 [UT+1] »I also wonder if after the NDE if anything happening in the 8th house birth chart reflects any of the changes the
person takes on after. Like death of sarcasm, critism, perfection, social traits, habits, etc. When they reawaken
traits or concerns in their 8th house are no longer visible or felt.
Also, what about retrogades?

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Libra ladyMemberPluto sth node 8th« Reply #26 - on: 14.04.2007 at 13:59 [UT+1] »Hi allThis topic is one I have tried figuring out for 22 years. I had a violent death experience 23 April 1985 and canfind no transits to explain why it happened at this particular time. I do have Pluto conjunct sth node and I

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think dark moon in Leo in the 8th house which has brought all kinds of abuse and violence into my life
unexpectedly. I was told by a proffessional astrologer that the above aspects mean I came in from life times ofabuse and the abuse would be repeated including death exp in this life time for the purpose of overcoming thefear. When I left my body I felt as though I was standing in love and their was nothing to fear and thenrealised somebody was with me. I was told it should not have happened so I had the choice of staying or
returning. I returned for the sake of my children (I was shown a newspaper with a photo of my home and thescreaming headlines children find Mothers body in lounge as a prompt to return) I came back as I didn't wantthem screwed up over it. If anyone can see or give any insight on what transit or aspect brought this about I
would be very grateful. I will attempt to put chart in

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« Reply #27 - on: 14.04.2007 at 14:13 [UT+1] »Sorry can't get chart to come through, but if anyone is interested it is posted in the cate [img][/img]goryplease read my chart. Probably on page 10 to 13 by now.

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Re: Pluto sth node 8th« Reply #28 - on: 14.04.2007 at 16:41 [UT+1] »Quote from Libra lady on 14.04.2007 at 13:59 [UT+1]:
Hi allThis topic is one I have tried figuring out for 22 years. I had a violent death experience 23 April 1985 and can find no transits to explain
why it happened at this particular time. I do have Pluto conjunct sth node and I think dark moon in Leo in the 8th house which has brought
all kinds of abuse and violence into my life unexpectedly. I was told by a proffessional astrologer that the above aspects mean I came infrom life times of abuse and the abuse would be repeated including death exp in this life time for the purpose of overcoming the fear.
When I left my body I felt as though I was standing in love and their was nothing to fear and then realised somebody was with me. I wastold it should not have happened so I had the choice of staying or returning. I returned for the sake of my children (I was shown anewspaper with a photo of my home and the screaming headlines children find Mothers body in lounge as a prompt to return) I came backas I didn't want them screwed up over it. If anyone can see or give any insight on what transit or aspect brought this about I would bevery grateful. I will attempt to put chart in http://" alt="" title="" border="0" target="_blank">https://" alt="" title=""border="0" target="_blank">http:// [img]I too have a Pluto influence in the 8th house. I'll attach my natal chart here (using the "attach" function right
below the text box rather than the 'img' UBB tags) so you can see what that chart says about me.
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« Reply #29 - on: 15.04.2007 at 06:05 [UT+1] »Thank you for bringing this up, Anastasia.....my experience was similar to Libra Lady....uninvited violence ...loss
of consciousness into the calm tunnel of peace and love toward the light -- I was OK with the NDE --- but
suddenly snapped back to life.
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My question is however, a bit different - My husband died suddenly 1 year (June 20, 2003) almost to the day
after my NDE....and this is my larger looming question ---> is his chart still active on the other side???? I loveand miss him with all my heart -- and feel him with me constantly. I know his persona survived physical death.
Any thoughts?

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« Reply #30 - on: 15.04.2007 at 07:00 [UT+1] »I am so sorry to hear about your husband, and your NDE. If you can post the charts maybe we can get a betterfeel for what your asking.

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« Reply #31 - on: 15.04.2007 at 11:54 [UT+1] »Thankyou Cynthpoet for taking the time to post a reply.
I have viewed your chart for similarities and notice we do both have Cap Asc and Scorpio moon, Pluto same

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house but different sign. I do know someone who was born within 48 hours of me, so the only difference
between our charts would be moon, Asc and houses. Unfortunately they have no idea of time of birth. They
had never suffered any kind of abuse or violence in life or NDE but did have the experience of being the one tofind Mother dying at young age, also one to discover friend in deep coma near death from suicide attempt andbrother also died suddenly (don't know cause) when she was in her 20's. I did wonder if perhaps her Pluto Sthnode in Leo fell in the 4th house, but I think her Father died before she turned 30 which make her Saturn to be
more likely in the 8th. Will attempt to get chart to attach again so you know what I'm talking about.

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« Reply #32 - on: 15.04.2007 at 12:51 [UT+1] »Its interesting that such a thread as this should appear while Jupiter is transiting the constellation Ophiuchus,
the wounded healer who had the ability to bring the dead back to life. To answer the question of this thread,no, I wouldn't think a new chart would be created, for the "death" itself and being brought back to life would beshown in transits to the original birth chart.
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« Reply #33 - on: 15.04.2007 at 13:22 [UT+1] »Lizzie,For whatever it's worth to you, I believe your husband's chart IS still active on the other side. I have this belief
for a number of reasons, one of them being that after my brother died, I felt his presence around me on
numerous occasions. I've also felt other spirits around me. I believe that whatever growth and intelligence weachieve in this life goes with us to the next.
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« Reply #34 - on: 28.05.2007 at 20:27 [UT+1] »Hi, this is Lizzie....I wrote on my late husband's birthday wondering if he was still with me. I have been very
busy with a job that requires a lot of overtime right now.....but I am taking the day to chill on my heart -- beenreally stressful lately. Anyhow I copied the information about our charts - natal and composite - below.

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As far as the NED I think/thought I had - I dropped out of consciousness for sure due to a head trauma - it
may not have been a NED - although maybe I'm influenced by things I read and hope to believe...he died onJune 20, 2003 at about 11 am.
Thanks, everyone.
Astrological Data used for Short Report - Partnerfor Liz (female)born on 14 June 1958 local time 4:46 pm
in Saint Louis, MO (US) U.T. 21:46
90w12, 38n38 sid. time 09:15:55
PLANETARY POSITIONSplanet sign degree
Sun Gemini 23°18'30 in house 8
Moon Taurus 24°58'40 in house 7
Mercury Gemini 18°37'25 in house 8
Venus Taurus 15°53'08 in house 7
Mars Aries 5°26'09 in house 5
Jupiter Libra 21°46'54 in house 12
Saturn Sagittarius 22°21'05 in house 2
Uranus Leo 9°04'29 in house 9
Neptune Scorpio 2°13'42 in house 12
Pluto Virgo 0°03'46 in house 10
True Node Scorpio 0°09'02 in house 12
HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)Ascendant Scorpio 9°21'03
2nd House Sagittarius 8°21'34
3rd House Capricorn 11°23'24
Imum Coeli Aquarius 16°31'25
5th House Pisces 19°14'49
6th House Aries 16°45'47
Descendant Taurus 9°21'03
8th House Gemini 8°21'34
9th House Cancer 11°23'24
Medium Coeli Leo 16°31'25
11th House Virgo 19°14'49
12th House Libra 16°45'47
and myMark (male)born on 15 April 1957 local time 5:00 am
in St.Louis, MO (US) U.T. 11:00
90w12, 38n38 sid. time 18:32:33
PLANETARY POSITIONSplanet sign degree
Sun Aries 25°12'33 in house 1
Moon Scorpio 7°48'49 in house 7
Mercury Taurus 14°46'02 in house 1
Venus Aries 25°26'23 in house 1
Mars Gemini 17°57'08 in house 3
Jupiter Virgo 23°30'06 in house 6
Saturn Sagittarius 13°53'51 end of house 8
Uranus Leo 2°52'31 in house 5
Neptune Scorpio 1°24'16 in house 7
Pluto Leo 28°03'58 end of house 5
True Node Scorpio 19°44'12 end of house 7
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.
HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)Ascendant Aries 13°29'13
2nd House Taurus 20°32'41
3rd House Gemini 15°51'39
Imum Coeli Cancer 7°28'28
5th House Leo 0°16'40
6th House Leo 29°46'04
Descendant Libra 13°29'13
8th House Scorpio 20°32'41
9th House Sagittarius 15°51'39
Medium Coeli Capricorn 7°28'28
11th House Aquarius 0°16'40
12th House Aquarius 29°46'04
Composite Horoscope midpoint method
PLANETARY POSITIONSplanet sign degree
Sun Taurus 24°15'31 end of house 4
Moon Leo 16°23'45 in house 7
Mercury Gemini 1°41'44 in house 5

Venus Taurus 5°39'46 in house 4Mars Taurus 11°41'38 in house 4
Jupiter Libra 7°38'30 in house 9
Saturn Sagittarius 18°07'28 in house 11
Uranus Leo 5°58'30 in house 7
Neptune Scorpio 1°48'59 in house 10
Pluto Leo 29°03'52 end of house 7
True Node Scorpio 9°56'37 in house 10
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.
HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)Ascendant Capricorn 26°25'08
2nd House Aquarius 29°27'07
3rd House Pisces 28°37'32
Imum Coeli Aries 26°59'57
5th House Taurus 24°45'45
6th House Gemini 23°15'55
Descendant Cancer 26°25'08
8th House Leo 29°27'07
9th House Virgo 28°37'32
Medium Coeli Libra 26°59'57
11th House Scorpio 24°45'45
12th House Sagittarius 23°15'55
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Re: Brought Back to Life
« Reply #35 - on: 29.05.2007 at 01:20 [UT+1] »Quote from Anastasia on 13.04.2007 at 02:19 [UT+1]:
When a person dies medically, meaning the heart stops beating, and is able to be brought back to life, should a new birth chart be drawn
for the new time and place that the person comes back to life at? If so, does that make the orignal birth chart void, validated, or
enhanced?

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Hi Anastasia
To be declared legally dead the brain has to stop functioning. That is the official medical call of when to declaresomeone as dead.
In cases of people in comas, the body was kept going with a support system since the brain was still
functioning.
We all have one chart and a rising star with that. When we die we also have a falling star.
Anything that happens in between is an event, no matter how close to death the event is.
So I can't see why a new birth chart would be done.
The second reason a new birth chart would not be done has to do with progressions. It can't be progressed tothe age of where the person is at. They are not starting as a baby.
Interesting topic.
All the best
John Somoza
Horary Astrologer
New York, NY

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Re: Brought Back to Life
« Reply #36 - on: 29.05.2007 at 01:47 [UT+1] »Thank you, John, for replying,
Is there meaning to the falling star that would help me find peace? I mean I do best I can with this...he died
unexpectedly....Would it help me know or should I let him rest and be around when he wants to be "around". I
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« Reply #37 - on: 29.05.2007 at 02:11 [UT+1] »Quote from Lizzie on 29.05.2007 at 01:47 [UT+1]:
Thank you, John, for replying,
Is there meaning to the falling star that would help me find peace? I mean I do best I can with this...he died unexpectedly....Would it help
me know or should I let him rest and be around when he wants to be "around". I can't help but wondering....

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Astrologers don't like to get into the details of death because it is such a sensitive topic.
We will mention it in general conversation.
The only time we do get involved is when the family knows there will be a death since there is a long deadly
illness involved. And they want to know how long it would take for they have accepted the inevitable.
And also, to make sure the will and all other necessary arrangements for the funeral are in accordance with thewishes of the dying.
So they make a specific request.
Yours is not the case so it would not help.
If any Astrologer reading this is interested in the Stars get the book by Australian Astrologer Bernadette Brady,"Brady's Book of Fixed Stars"
My best wishes to you Lizzie,
John Somoza
Horary Astrologer
New York, NY
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Re: Brought Back to Life
« Reply #38 - on: 29.05.2007 at 03:17 [UT+1] »Quote from Lindac7 on 15.04.2007 at 13:22 [UT+1]:
Lizzie,For whatever it's worth to you, I believe your husband's chart IS still active on the other side. I have this belief for a number of reasons,one of them being that after my brother died, I felt his presence around me on numerous occasions. I've also felt other spirits around me.
I believe that whatever growth and intelligence we achieve in this life goes with us to the next.
Linda >'='<

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Gender:I agree, and also believe that our charts stay active after we cross over, perhaps until we reincarnate. For
instance, somebody could suddenly appear in the media for various reasons after they've passed, or the workof a deceased celebrity or artist will suddenly be in the limelight again... and whatever they're going throughstill shows-up in their natal chart. My hunch is (and it's a far-out one) that all our various birth charts fromlifetime to lifetime are still working together holigraphically in ways far beyond our understand -- especiallysince quantum physics is proving that the past and future exist simultaneously in the present moment. Told ya
it was far out!
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« Reply #39 - on: 29.05.2007 at 03:48 [UT+1] »Thank you, Liza and John,
I will look for that book.....and, actually that is not far out to me; my husband and I had many many
conversations about quantum physics and, in fact, his favorite books (one among many) was The Elegant
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Universe. He was an artist (cartoonist/animator) so he pondered these things.....did you see the PBS special on
the string theory??
I have been studying astrology by myself on and off for 30 years and should probably drop my natal chart into
the Please Read My Chart section....I like the way people respond respectfully and graciously to one another on
this site...reports I have read refer to a crisis mid-life.....and I'll be 49 on the 14th.....
Best......Lizzie

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« Reply #40 - on: 29.05.2007 at 04:00 [UT+1] »Hi Lizzie,
Yes, "The Elegant Universe" is a beautiful book!
I recommend you also read the books by the physicist, Amit Goswami, especially, "Physics of the Soul: The
Quantum Book of Living, Dying, Reincarnation, and Immortality."
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