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Velvet Sphinx
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« on: 20.05.2009 at 18:53 [UT+1] »It looks pretty good for teaching languages to me. 3rd and 9th and Mercury highlighted by both MC and AC.
There's even a minor aspect between Mercury and Saturn which I think is quite important because language
work needs a fair bit of precision, if not perfectionism. That is also helped by a Virgo ascendant!
Chiron was a teacher and educator, but of astrology. Liz Greene describes him in her book The Astrologer,
the Counsellor and the Priest:"Astrologers are driven by an intellectual quest, a need to find some kind of cosmic order which can givemeaning, if not an answer, to the mystery of human suffering. This is where we see the centaur at work, for inmyth he is not only a healer, he is a philosopher-sage and a teacher of astrology.
The unconscious impetus behind the astrologer, as with any other helper, may not be only altruism, vision andidealism, it may also be pain. That is what the myth of Chiron describes."
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« Reply #1 - on: 20.05.2009 at 19:23 [UT+1] »Hi Nightsky,
Thought you might be interested in seeing my daughter's chart. She was a Spanish linguist in the Air Forceand is will be finishing up an occupational BS with Spanish studies in August. She wants to be an elementary
ed teacher and all of her credits won't transfer, but through the GI Bill she will be going for another educational
degree after she finishes up with this one.
Anyway, I think eventually she may end up using her Spanish in education.
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She also has Mercury in Virgo, as well as Venus and Sun: Venus ruling her ability to speak (Taurus ruling thethroat), and Mercury her ability to communicate.
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Member« Reply #2 - on: 20.05.2009 at 19:27 [UT+1] »Your chart does suggest the urge to communicate with the Asc Virgo and the Gemini Midheaven - the nodal
axis also seems to underline the importance of being able to cross barriers where communicating is concerned(Gag-Gemini).
I have been teaching tesol in a foreign country myself for 10-12 years and have to admit, sometimes, this has
not seemed like an ideal match - My MC is in late Virgo, but squaring Mercury as well as Saturn. And
sometimes, the nitpickiness of semantics can irritate to the nnnth degree!!!!
You might be able to cut through this with the Mars rising in Virgo, there does seemto be a very analyticalelement in your chart (Virgo/Scorpio, Moon opposing Pluto) - maybe, you will be drawn to what lies behind
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throught processes, how we think, if this is about linguistics?
Your Mars square Neptune could present difficulties with some areas of teaching - keeping to timetables,
records and the like - absent-mindedness possibly being the first sign of burnout. And that is something you
may need to combat too - the rising Mars may be hardworking, there is the enthusiasm for motivating people
asnd dynamism from the Aries Moon, but you may well need to find ways to keep yourself energised. The
Mercury/Uranus also looks o be pretty inventive, but again, this may mean that whilst you may thrive on thevariety and change of meeting los of new people from all walks of life and maybe travelling quie a bit to work,
this may also indicate a tendency to live on your nerves too, which may again present something of a doubleedged sword for you, if you cannot find deeper interests beyond field work.

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Member« Reply #3 - on: 20.05.2009 at 20:50 [UT+1] »Thanks everyone for your comments so far.
Velvet Sphinx:
I have written a load of stuff on astrology on my Night Sky Blog. Got over 26,000 hit so far, so you may beonto something, but I don´t want to do astrology or be an astrologer.
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Gender:Which is the CG aspect you mentioned? I am not sure that there is one, but perhaps I am wrong. Though on
the other hand I do have:

C Quintile f Ascendant. Which I´ve been told is like a creativeness cnnected to intelligence and speech.
Cindy LuI like your daughter´s chart. For the fact that she has Ascendant ruler Venus in Fall, which is similar to my
detriment C, her Venus disposits to fC, while my C disposits to iF in house 3.

G does seem to support things a great deal though in harmonious aspects in her chart.
Nexus7
Your observations are very on the ball with my chart.

I is without doubt a problem for me, has been all my life. And it will be whatever I chose to do in life, if I
became a chef, if I joined the military, if I became a doctor. I would still have I in square aspect to mystrongest planet.
I get burnt out easily. Tired and lose enthusiasm, especially when people give me conflicting instruction. For
example I´ve prepared lessons and now this week, we start using a book, but no-one said to me that theteacher´s CD was missing, nor have I been given a copy of the book. My classes suffered because of thisconfusion and the students took advantage obviously.
My nerves are definitely frayed right now, and it´s only Wednesday.
Nexus could you post your chart for me please? I´d really like to compare, see what your experience has been.
Which is your strongest planet by accidental dignity also: Angular, direct, swift, free from combustion, Oriental
etc.I´m about to do the CELTA certificate for teaching English to Adults in July -August. I see it as a career, since I
am now permanently relocated in South America, by a Sunny Beach, and don´t have the slightest intention ofeither going back to England, or of going anywhere else.

E is my strongest planet by accidental dignity and also has essential dignity by TERMS at the end of f. Rulerof my 3rd house conjunct Ascendant and sextile 3rd house A. I ought to be able to do well in this profession. I
have energy to begn with always, enthusiasm, and a good presentation when I am prepared and fresh.

D ruler of 9th in domicile in house 1. 9th house is connected with teaching also, higher mind, travels... Surely
this is another plus. I feel that I am popular with my teachers and students alike.
Then iCF in house 3. This is the placing I am not so sure about. South Node Jupiter... To me it simply
speaks of destiny and fate. I thought about teaching since I got my BA in 2005. Four years of trying to findother paths, trying to find other things to do, other jobs and ideas for careers, 4 years of people telling me I
am intelligent and ought to try teaching, and me saying, "I can´t" or I don´t want to, and now I am doing it. It
is still early days I suppose, but I think that sometimes people are just meant to do something, whether they
think they want to or not.

Nexus what do you think of the 9th house and 9th ruler for teaching...for teaching in a school English as asecond language? 3rd is traditional ruler of school and learning at early age.
I am still unsure as to either my ability, or the possibility for me to last. But I do have Gt fAscendant. That
probably makes me more solid and persistent and persevering than the chart would otherwise show. Saturnaspects my MC too u , orb is 1 degree out. Saturn rules house 5, which rules over children amonst other things
also.
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« Reply #4 - on: 20.05.2009 at 20:55 [UT+1] »I think the most important thing to keep in mind is that teaching is not simple transmission of data. It is also,
and primarily, about the way you connect the information to the audience/learner. For this, you need amodicum of two things: one, compassion for the other, whoever that might be at whatever age, and two, avery high command of your subject and an ability to explain it at every level, from beginning to advanced.
So what you look for in most teacher charts is an indication the person has the ability to apply the principles of"temperance" (like from the Tarot), which is a i-influenced card. i is typically considered the teacher's signfor many reasons.
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Lissa

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« Reply #5 - on: 20.05.2009 at 21:01 [UT+1] »I actually think your chart has both 'teaching' and 'inclination for languages' written all over it.As my head is
not functioning 100% right now I will just briefly try to explain how:
Gemini MC.Fitted for careers that involve a lot of communications
Ruler of the MC,Mercury,in Sagittarius,sign of the teacher,also of foreign affairs,anything foreign basicly(likeforeign languages)
Jupiter,sign of the teacher,strong in its sign and in the house of communications

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Gender:Jupiter sitting on the South Node-a past life where the teaching theme was very present,and you probably
acquired some expertise in this area in a previous lifetime.I need to stress how absolutely exact this aspect is.
North Node in 9th house,the house of teaching
Strong 3rd/9th house themes
Both ruler of your9th house and ruler of 3rd sit in the 1st housea strong identification with speaking different
languages,learning and teaching.
I beieve you will gain a lot from an experience as a teacher.Not only will you teach a lot,but you will also end up
learning a lot,as the 9th house NN points to a lifetime where much growth will be gained through 9th housematters.

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MininaEx Member

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« Reply #6 - on: 20.05.2009 at 21:13 [UT+1] »My mum is an English teacher, like you Night Sky

She teaches the elementary school students...

Here's her chart if you want to have a look at it:
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« Reply #7 - on: 20.05.2009 at 22:08 [UT+1] »I'm a language teacher too, here's my chart. But my second major is history, and I increasingly find myself
drawn to teaching it.

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Velvet Sphinx
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« Reply #8 - on: 21.05.2009 at 11:48 [UT+1] »Night Sky - I thought your Mercury and Saturn would be in semi-sextile (roughly 30 degrees) to each otherbut actually it doesn't show up in the box under your chart, so maybe the orb is too wide for a minor aspect at
34 degrees.
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Lindac7

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Member« Reply #9 - on: 21.05.2009 at 12:00 [UT+1] »Night Sky,The only thing I see that hasn't already been covered is C and O conjunct in i. This gave me the impressionthat you might be quick to say things off the top of your head that might not go over well (sudden foot inmouth syndrome), so I wanted to give you just a gentle warning to be careful of that. However, in thinking
over all your posts I've read, I haven't noticed you doing that here, so maybe this doesn't apply at all. Of
course, when typing posts, more thought goes into it before most speaking aloud, so . . . anyway, you get mypoint.
Also, just a general piece of non-astrological advice - remember, teaching doesn't mean transmitting data
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Gender:necessarily, it is far more a function of instilling/inspiring the student with a desire/motivation to learn thesubject matter. You can transmit data all you want, but the student won't learn it if he/she is not interested iningesting it. I find that being a constant motivator is the hardest part of teaching for me. Your genuine
enthusiasm will make a huge difference for them. Also, asking them questions to make them think (theSocratic method) instead of simply presenting facts is a good way to keep their brains engaged.
Otherwise, I agree with the others - you have a good number of placements that support your teaching ability.

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Curiosa Nervosa
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« Reply #10 - on: 21.05.2009 at 13:03 [UT+1] »ACF 3rd,stellium in 3rd, MC c , D in 1st,K 9th and in c; I'd say yes

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Genea

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« Reply #11 - on: 21.05.2009 at 23:39 [UT+1] »I am a teacher in a university intensive English program and also taught children for many years prior toentering the field of ESL about 10 years ago.
In all, I've been teaching 38 years, and I feel that this is what I was born to do. I'm attaching my chart in case
you want to take a look.
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« Reply #12 - on: 22.05.2009 at 00:59 [UT+1] »My daughter will be teaching English as soon as she finishes up her Masters. She's wanted to teach forever....
(and resisted my gentle suggestions that she take advantage of good math skills to become an engineer.
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Her chart.
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« Reply #13 - on: 22.05.2009 at 21:50 [UT+1] »Everyone who has replied to my question with charts and comments, I am in great appreciation. I don´t
unfortunately have the chance to analyse each chart on its own, which I would love to do in comparison.
This week has been fairly hard. And the person that said that I would be learning a great deal through teaching,
how right you are. This week has seemed like a year in the experience of it.

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Gender:I think one of the qualities that you must have is to like people, to like children and to understand thepsychology of groups and individuals.
I´m developing a philosophical approach. My presentation at the moment is poor, control of the classroom ispoor. I don´t have a method for discipline which does need to be done in order to make the class be quiet.
Knowledge of learner´s common mistakes, and of the grammar of it all is new to me also.

Just wondering here, about the 5th house. A couple of charts on this thread I´ve noticed have Ascendant ruler
right on the cusp of the 5th. 5th house is the house of children, so school teachers might have this house
highlighted.
My 5th ruler is G, t Ascu MC.
This week though I´ve had some problems, felt useless at times. I´ve done a month now, so I´m not giving
up. But yeah, I think I need to be more direct, talk louder, more confident and direct at the class, be crosswhen they don´t listen, that sort of thing. At the same time though, I can´t be cross, because I can´t reallyback myself up in Spanish very well, so I hold off from being confrontational, and prefer to live with certain
naughtiness and lack of attention. Guess that might be back to my EIo .
I´ve also noticed one more thing which might be of interest in my chart for teaching.
It´s that DqC. Ascendant ruler is sextile to that strong ninth ruler. I might mention that I work with someonethat is supportive. A female teacher that is always... well it´s a work relationship, but we have seen each otheroutside of the school a few times.
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it is far more a function of instilling/inspiring the student with a desire/motivation to learn the subject matter.

Agreed. But this is done in a number of ways. The first I think is to be a strong personality, a role model ofsorts. To be someone that is respected and liked but also able to keep discipline and attention...balancing
these... is a difficult thing to do.
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Genea
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« Reply #14 - on: 23.05.2009 at 01:53 [UT+1] »Night Sky,
It takes at least two years to "find yourself" as a teacher. If you have not had any classes in teaching methods,
you might want to take a course at your local college or online.
I would suggest the following:
1. Plan ahead and make your lesson goals clear.
2. Keep moving; don't get bogged down on one skill. Find the right balance between challenge and frustration.
3. In language learning, the most important things are for the students to talk, to read, to write. As long as
they are using the language, they will learn it. They need to be involved in small group discussions, journal
writing, and independent reading of materials on their level.
4. Be positive and friendly. You will totally alienate adult learners if you are too negative.
5. Make the students accountable. If you grade their work regularly and give them feedback, they will be much
more likely to take it seriously.
6. There are many, many online aids available to ESL teachers. Take time to get familiar with those and use
them in any way you can.
Even if you are a natural born teacher, it's still important to be trained in methodology, so take advantage of
any opportunity you can to learn more. See if some of your colleagues will allow you to observe theirclassrooms. You will probably get a lot of useful ideas, but you may very well come away with the idea that you
are really doing a pretty good job after all.
Best wishes!
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« Reply #15 - on: 23.05.2009 at 16:18 [UT+1] »This has been a very co-incidental post, Night Sky, as it runs parallel to what's been seeded and growing in mypsyche to the point that I have to make major decisions about the rest of my future, to possibly involve
teaching English .......
I'd be grateful for the knowledge of any chart-identifiers to kindly give me their valued input as to whether myPosts: 4286

chart has this vocation COMING into view in my chart, and whether the chart ITSELF holds those QUALITIES to
TEACH LANGUAGE, specifically English. The plan is to start training at the end of this year?
To fill you in about some background, my late Italian father taught me Italian (since pre-teen age). I spent a
short time living in Italy. I speak my Dutch/Danish mother's language-mix as spoken in South Africa (Afrikaans). I am currently temp-working in UK, and self-studying Spanish (mainly), and French (cursorily). I
want to settle in Spain(?) and teach English.
I have in the past had my own art studio, teaching oil painting and drawing by giving eight lessons a week (3xday, and 2xnight). However, since then, and more especially now, I feel art is a luxury-subject, not a necessity,and therefore I need to focus on something I will enjoy, and which is financially viable, perhaps bringing art intothe "picture" later?
Many thanks.

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Velvet Sphinx
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« Reply #16 - on: 23.05.2009 at 18:36 [UT+1] »Jen

I'm pleased you have Sun, Mercury and Moon in the 5th house, because I tried teaching English for 9 months
in France and I decided that it's ACTING. The 5th house also relates to children, and I'm wondering whether
you planned to teach English to adults or children. Easier to adults, but there may already be a glut of English
ex-pats trying to do this in Spain as half of us seem to have decamped there. Or, you would have to sidle yourway into the Spanish school system to get to the kids.
Ruler of your 3rd house (Saturn) is in Virgo, opposite Mercury so that fits very nicely. Ruler of your MC (moon)is trine Uranus (nearly) on the 9th house cusp. So, you have the 3rd and 9th connections. Transiting Uranus(and I think the transiting planets carry for each of us the message of our natal placement) is on your natal sun
at the moment, offering your sun that 9th house flavour.
I looked at your progressions. Progressed sun is square natal Jupiter. Progressed Ascendant (one of the 3,
don't ask me why there are 3 of them) is nearly conjunct Jupiter too. Your 6th house (daily work) ruler
Neptune is transiting together with Jupiter close to your natal Jupiter - a Jupiter return. There's definitely aJupiterian theme going on here!! Other countries, cultures and languages....
Looking at your progressed ruler of MC - moon. Both progressed and solar arc progressed Moons are at the
beginning of Taurus, perhaps giving you that feeling that you need to be involved in something more practical.
I don't really relate Taurus to languages however, more to craft-y kinds of artwork if anything. These
progressions however bring them into sextile with natal Uranus, again highlighting its 9th house cusp
placement.
So I see a clear focus on moving to another culture/country and being involved there. Whether its languages
or not, there's a mixed message imo. Spain and teaching arts/crafts? That's something that lots of retired
people want to do out there.

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« Reply #17 - on: 23.05.2009 at 18:48 [UT+1] »JenOoooooo I am jealous. Your own public art studio? Lucky you!!
My bedroom is my art studio.....
I see you have some important transits: Uranus to your Sun, indicating a new direction in life, and transit
Jupiter square Jupiter (with Neptune and Chiron too). They both seem to indicate a need to change yourstrategy and try out somthing a little more radical. Uranus/Sun can be particularly difficult to ignore, though

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initially, realities of the demands of an outer world may be perceived as a bit of a rude awakening in the firstplace. Are you considering a move too?
As Neptune is involved too especially, you need to be realistic about your future plans too, especially if you arefeeling restless.
And is that Saturn opposting your Mercury too? Again, the emphasis at looking at some of the less glamorous
nuts and bolts of learning about communicative teaching. Yet you probably need this. Double Pisces seems towish to bring to the world what may be a very private vision of your world, but that exact Mercury oppositon
Saturn will challenge you heavily to find the right way to comunicate this. And it is your Saturn return, right onyour Sun/Moon midpoint with your Mercury there we are talking about - again, the theme that you may belooking for ways to calrify and focus your main goals in life. And how you communicate this.
This may seem rather heavy and discouraging at the moment - possibly again, the nit-picky side of this canseem like anathema to any free-flowing inspiration, but more mastery in these areas can only strenthen you
long term I suggest, though it still as to be something that comes from within, rather than out of any sense of
duty.
Mercury seems to be on the midpoint of your Sun and Moon and that alone suggests that Communication
really does matter to you, enormously - therefore, more teaching may in fact be an excellent move for you.

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« Reply #18 - on: 23.05.2009 at 19:18 [UT+1] »Night SkyIn answer to one of your questions, I think, I would say that 3rd-9th oppositions, for for that matter, Sag/Gem
ones are probably excellent for Tesol work - making 'foreign' concepts graspable to others.
Tesol may satisfy all his nervy Mercury sqaure Uranus for you, at least you are never stuck in one place all thetime, which I could not bear. I have these wo planets in 135 aspect and inerestingly, one interpretaion I
downlosed for this aspect once was that there might be some connection with learning a particularly obscurelanguage. Well, that happened wih me - with Hungarian.
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As for nodes - well, I see Tesol as being a very SNode occupation in some ways. Being a native speaker does not
involve much in the way of mastering new skills - the whole point of it is that it is totally automatic, likedriving, and this is where you are trying to get your students. So that you can concentrate on those more
North Node skills, which could be about whatever they want that language skill for.
As other posters here have said, it can only take experience to develop teaching skills. I would suggest thatfinding supportive employers does matter, and I do think this can be easier said than done. Feel free to PM me
if you wan to talk about Tesol a little more.

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« Reply #19 - on: 23.05.2009 at 20:58 [UT+1] »Quote from Night Sky on 20.05.2009 at 16:25 [UT+1]:
I´ve started teaching English in a school. I´ve been doing it for a month and am going for some proper formal teacher training soon in
July. I like teaching but sometimes my lessons are not very good. Obviously it takes time before you become good at anything, and one
month is simply a beginning.

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I was wondering here whether I have some teacher qualities... what other people might see in this chart. I´ve had a number of people
who told me my chart has this potential. And a number of people who simply told me, without the astrology or chart that this is the career
I ought to pursue.
What other charts are good for teaching? What other indicators in this chart are "made for it"?
The things that I know about are:fE is my strongest planet in accidental dignities, with f being the classic sign of teacher.
cMC
MC AC ruler

C in House 3 = house of communciation, lower mind, primary and secondary education.

i planets mean that I am abroad and teaching a foreign language, in a language that is my second language.
N aspects interest me here. I wonder what they mean: cNmAC and pfE.
Here´s the chart:
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OK - This chart is very, very interesting. I say that for a number of reasons.
For starters, it is so similar to mine. Only I am a Sun-Sag, Moon-Leo, Mercury-Sag with the Sun, Mercury,
Venus, and Saturn in the 3rd House. Additionally, I am a Virgo-Rising.
I want to disagree with this, but I can not! I thought that the 9th House ruled Foreign life, so I figured the 9th
House would be full. Yes it is very true that having a full 3rd House (like me) makes a great teacher, speaker,
writer, communicator, but I never considered foreign languages as a strong point.
I may mention more later, but for now I had to add this to the thread.
Kwabena
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« Reply #20 - on: 24.05.2009 at 02:31 [UT+1] »Quote from Genea on 23.05.2009 at 01:53 [UT+1]:
Night Sky,
It takes at least two years to "find yourself" as a teacher. If you have not had any classes in teaching methods, you might want to take acourse at your local college or online.
I would suggest the following:
1. Plan ahead and make your lesson goals clear.
2. Keep moving; don't get bogged down on one skill. Find the right balance between challenge and frustration.

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3. In language learning, the most important things are for the students to talk, to read, to write. As long as they are using the language,
they will learn it. They need to be involved in small group discussions, journal writing, and independent reading of materials on their level.
4. Be positive and friendly. You will totally alienate adult learners if you are too negative.
5. Make the students accountable. If you grade their work regularly and give them feedback, they will be much more likely to take itseriously.
6. There are many, many online aids available to ESL teachers. Take time to get familiar with those and use them in any way you can.
Even if you are a natural born teacher, it's still important to be trained in methodology, so take advantage of any opportunity you can tolearn more. See if some of your colleagues will allow you to observe their classrooms. You will probably get a lot of useful ideas, but you
may very well come away with the idea that you are really doing a pretty good job after all.
Best wishes!

I am very greatful for this advice. I guess it takes time to develop the skill first of all, to be able to see what
students really need as well. Rather than what my misconceptions of teaching tell me.
I have copied these things down, in order that I might take note of them. They are actually now on mytimetable page.
At the moment there isn´t much room for scope with my classes. I have a set of things I must teach, with notmuch in the way of resources, just a whiteboard actually, and my grammar book. So it is very hard going, I
would love to be able to photocopy some readings and stuff that I might bring in on my own innitiative. But
perhaps this is a true test for me. Can I teach a bunch of noisy kids boring grammer and keep attantion
without the use of luxury resources... just my own voice and my own exercises? Most of the time I can´t. But
perhaps it does improve as I realise with each lesson how I need to act. I´ve been told I need to be more
direct, sometimes I talk to the whiteboard instead of the class.
I need to say the rule first so that everyone hears and knows it, and then ask randomly "what is the rule?"
It seems so obvious, but I don´t do it. I explain it the best I can and then say something like "does everyone
understand?" then they don´t reply.
Say the rule and then ask random individuals what the rule is. I definitely need to be assertive in thequestioning of students. To get them to listen you must make them think that they will be asked about what I
am saying.
Next week will be better.
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« Reply #21 - on: 24.05.2009 at 02:43 [UT+1] »How old are the students? There are lots of things you can can do without fancy equipment. Send me a PM and
I'll try to give you some ideas.

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« Reply #22 - on: 24.05.2009 at 02:44 [UT+1] »Nexus7Hi, thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
South Node indeed. That´s a very interesting way of seeing it. That I am teaching something that is obvious
and first knowledge is actually not as easy as it may seem.
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Gender:But at the moment I think I have some supportive empoyers. And it seems I met a teacher in my school thathas been kind to me, and that perhaps without her I might not have come in on some days and simply quit. I´d like to ask you though Nexus, how it was for you when you first started? How was the first month? Did you
have resources or just a whiteboard and grammar book...? What were the students´ attitudes, what were theproblems, how do you see your own chart. Please pm me or reply in post, I don´t mind whichever you like.
Jen J

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« Reply #23 - on: 24.05.2009 at 10:02 [UT+1] »I started my new 'career' as Pluto crossed my Ascendant and squared natal Pluto, then here was a long Saturnsquare Saturn involving a stationary Mars, and in the second term, massive power struggles erupted with oneof the senior tutors who told the others I was using the 'wrong teachng methods,' then somehow I got
blackballed in the staffroom. I was told told to give them losts of tests, then it was all 'give them conversation'
which the kids were unable to do anyway.
However, I got to stay and the colleague giving me the most grief left and I heard a very similar tale of woefrom one of my now native speaker employers. But probably most rookie tesollers would not necessarily startout with transits like these, so their introduction to it might be more gentle.
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That is what I mean hen I say it is better if you have colleagues who are supportive. The deputy head at theschool was ok about me, in this instance. Another reason why I call Tesol a SNode career is because whilst tome being the native teacher involves a skill that seems pretty well redundant to me, it s obviously not to thestudents, whilst non-native colleagues can be envious. I have an old friend who started Tesol before me and hewrote emails back to me complaining abou the jealousy of his colleagues and I did not understand what hemeant at first, but I did after my first year at that school. Any innate skill that comes effortless may be able todo that I suspect - I wrote about that on an essay I have featured on my site and on another site in connection
mentioning Mozart, who had the SNode on an angle conjunct Uranus.
However, the subject matter in some of the topics I have had to teach, certainly enter into Libra NNode areasand skills, particularly those involving negotiation. In many cases, whilst 'win-win' ethoses are widely
proclaimed, the message underlying this is that it is 'win-lose' really, but that is up to my students. On the last
reverse nodal transit, I bought a flat here, which is also offical operating premises as a freelance - more 4th10th polarities.
Another thing that may explain the coundrum here is that I have Moon semi-square Mercury so here, explaining
something that is normally instinctive can preset is own difficulties too, whilst being able to is part of it. You
will never be a native if you learn a language after the age of 6: before that, the brain is at its most elastic.
I was not really expected to work with materials, but rather to find topics. I made lots of undistinguishedcartoons on the board in my first year and did not really work with books at all. The trick sometimes is to get
students communicatng when they think they are not communicating - explaining how to play a game to me,for example.
You need to use very different methods with diferent age groups. Children are, well, childish, whilst you have tobe very patient indeed with older learners.
I had to become self-employed here in order to satisfy the immigration authorities, so have plenty of textbooks
at home now.
Being a guest in a country where I was not expected to know the kanguage was one of the most alienating andisolating experiences of my life - it made me feel like some kind of gifted freak, in a way, in an autistic sort of away. In my first two terms I did not know any other natives at all, though in the third term that changed, which
helped a little. A lot of teachers I know here often do not ever learn the language at all and I don't know how
they can do that.
I still have mixed feelings about Tesol, though it is true that it gave me a living. There was no work at home
and after the 2nd recession of the early 90's, I did not really see the pont of staying in the UK. One charming
lady, however, who was sent to give me a reading on behalf of a vetting orgnanisation in the UK put it to me
that I would have to give up being an artist and go abroad in order to follow my 'true' path in life, or I would
commit suicide. This is one of the reasons, incidentally, why I did not feel able to get too involved in theastrological community any more, along with one or two other small things: nobody deserves to have that kindof meassge laid on them. And anyway, I never, ever gave up on my artistic path, which I still consider as being
more important to me than the day job, though I daresay there are those who would diss that as being somekind of spiritually redundant notion, too.

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« Reply #24 - on: 24.05.2009 at 12:24 [UT+1] »Dear Night Sky,
I read this thread with great interest as my chart has many similarities to yours! I`ve just added it so you cansee what I mean (note the f ascendant, c MC, i IC). Somebody mentioned the B in house 5, I have that
too...
I believe you mentioned you aleady have a degree and knowledge of other languanges, so it sounds like you`rewell-equipped for a career in TESOL.
I`ve been "TESOLing" for about 11 years now and really enjoy it, even though in the early days I felt a little
insecure about my lack of experience. But as they say you never stop learning! So if I were to give you someadvice, I`d say: by all means do your cambridge course, read grammar books - the methodology is important
and will win your students`respect if you can demonstrate your know-how. Plus it will help boost yourconfidence when you really know what you`re talking about. Maybe even try to sit in on classes/volunteer while
you´re doing your course and try to gain as much experience as you can - freelance for different institutions,have exchanges with other language teachers.
Good lesson-planning is imperative, but so is flexibility- always have a plan B, if something goes wrong (games
or other goodies in your bag. You can do an awful lot with a ball or post-it notes!) And if you make a mistake,don`t beat yourself up about, use humour, be honest (students like people who are authentic) and learn fromit, so it doesn`t happen again
You might want to keep a diary and note down your impressions of how thelesson went.
Personally, the secret to my success has been my students... I always involve them in lesson-planning, try toestablish good rapport (i.e through small-talk sessions or showing interest in them as individuals) and get
regular feedback (oral or written) I`ve learned alot from them too (especially in the ESP areas. i.e businesspeople and engineers. If you involve them using their expertise, be it for telephone roleplay scenarios or
making presentations it can be so enriching!
Good luck and feel free to send me a message if I can help you any further!
ES
You might want to check out these sites:
http://www.eslcafe.com/
http://www.englishtoolbox.com/search.asp

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« Reply #25 - on: 24.05.2009 at 17:56 [UT+1] »Quote from nexus7 on 24.05.2009 at 10:02 [UT+1]:
I started my new 'career' as Pluto crossed my Ascendant and squared natal Pluto, ......................
Nexus7, thank you very much for your analysis of my chart and all your input .... speaking of Pluto, it is now beginning to transit my 3rd
house (Capricorn), and also is in opposition to my natalO ...

I had to become self-employed here in order to satisfy the immigration authorities, so have plenty of textbooks at home now.

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I am intrigued to know where you are from, and I presume you are now living in UK?? Where did you do your TESOL training?
Being a guest in a country where I was not expected to know the kanguage was one of the most alienating and isolating experiences of
my life - it made me feel like some kind of gifted freak, in a way, in an autistic sort of a way. In my first two terms I did not know anyother natives at all, though in the third term that changed, which helped a little. A lot of teachers I know here often do not ever learn thelanguage at all and I don't know how they can do that.
... which language are you refering to?
I still have mixed feelings about Tesol, though it is true that it gave me a living. There was no work at home and after the 2nd recessionof the early 90's, I did not really see the pont of staying in the UK.
now I'm confused ... where are you??? ... what language-speaking people do you teach English to?..
One charming lady, however, who was sent to give me a reading on behalf of a vetting orgnanisation in the UK put it to me that I would
have to give up being an artist and go abroad in order to follow my 'true' path in life, or I would commit suicide. This is one of thereasons, incidentally, why I did not feel able to get too involved in the astrological community any more, along with one or two othersmall things: nobody deserves to have that kind of meassge laid on them. And anyway, I never, ever gave up on my artistic path, which I
still consider as being more important to me than the day job, though I daresay there are those who would diss that as being some kind of
spiritually redundant notion, too.

as one artist to another ..... it's a SOUL THING!!!.... you cannot give it up!!!
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« Reply #26 - on: 24.05.2009 at 19:01 [UT+1] »Quote:
as one artist to another ..... it's a SOUL THING!!!.... you cannot give it up!!!

It is that.
I am from the UK, but have been in Budapest for 10 years now, and the first time I came was 2 years before
that. I speak Hungarian, though not to proficiency levels.

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Before the joining of the EU, dealing with Immigration was an absloute nightmare, but that is another story.
There was a big Neptune transit to B that became exact on the 1st May that changed all that ultimately, luckily.
Strangely enough, I had an exhibition opening that evening too.

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« Reply #27 - on: 25.05.2009 at 18:31 [UT+1] »Hi Jen;You do have quite a bit going on now. Your 5th house is very strong and creative with so much Piscesemphasis. Moon ruling career in the 5th house says you need to create-in Picses/makes sense you having an
art studio-painting. Teaching languages would make sense as the 3rd house is ruled by Saturn/Saturn in Virgoin the 11th house-11th house depicts your communication in groups/Saturn Virgo-dispositor Mercury in Piscesin the 5th again. With Mercury oppose Saturn you have the beauty of the creative Pisces with the structure of
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Gender:Saturn Virgo (details, methodical-I think Virgo connected to teaching is ideal. Currently you having your 2nd
Saturn return is exciting for this venture. You also having transit Uranus over Sun in the 5th and transit
Neptune Jupiter Chiron all moving into your 5th house and over your Pisces Moon (career ruler) the next few
years is very highly creative time for you in one way or the other/ in whatever endeavor you choose.

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« Reply #28 - on: 27.05.2009 at 14:59 [UT+1] »Quote from _Inanna_ on 25.05.2009 at 18:31 [UT+1]:
Hi Jen;You do have quite a bit going on now. Your 5th house is very strong and creative with so much Pisces emphasis. Moon ruling career in the
5th house says you need to create-in Picses/makes sense you having an art studio-painting. Teaching languages would make sense as the
3rd house is ruled by Saturn/Saturn in Virgo in the 11th house-11th house depicts your communication in groups/Saturn Virgo-dispositor
Mercury in Pisces in the 5th again. With Mercury oppose Saturn you have the beauty of the creative Pisces with the structure of Saturn
Virgo (details, methodical-I think Virgo connected to teaching is ideal. Currently you having your 2nd Saturn return is exciting for thisPosts: 4286

venture. You also having transit Uranus over Sun in the 5th and transit Neptune Jupiter Chiron all moving into your 5th house and overyour Pisces Moon (career ruler) the next few years is very highly creative time for you in one way or the other/ in whatever endeavor you
choose.

.... OH WOW!!!!! Inanna .... you gave me goose-bumps!!! ... that is sooooo reassuring (for a Piscean!!) needed that confirmation... thank you so much for your time on this...
means a lot to me
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« Reply #29 - on: 25.06.2009 at 07:12 [UT+1] »Hello,
I have a degree in Linguistics and American Sign Language Studies. I have taught English since 2002. But, off
and on. I had an English Tutoring Business for 4 years. Also, I contract myself as ESL teacher for private
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schools. I have taught ESL via classroom, phone, and internet.
I speak ASL, Spanish, Portuguese, and English.
Languages are def my passion. I love reading grammar books for fun. Syntax, Phonology, Phonetics you nameit. I can hear a language and usually guess what family it is from or learn basic grammar rules of a language
and can do elem. grammar.
I want to open an English school again I have a strong desire to publish my own ESL materials. I already havedone so but just have not took it seriously.
But, during my SR I just dropped everything and went to the extreme and now I am working full-time in theFashion + Entertainment Industry. I do not know where that came from. I am doing well but missing ESL. I
am going to Europe in August to research the possibilities of opening a ESL school there with a friend.
Best of Luck
Here is my chart

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« Reply #30 - on: 25.06.2009 at 12:29 [UT+1] »Aries/Virgo Moon/Jupiter must be excellent in the classroom and in motivating your students - did you work with kids orolder people?
Are you entrepreneurial?
Mercury/ruled Midheavn, Mercury-ruled Ascendant with NNode right on your Ascendant to boot, the ruler of allthese energetically conjoining Mars but maybe in Pisces, there might also have been a desire to work in
communicative media a litle less hard-edged.
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« Reply #31 - on: 25.06.2009 at 16:24 [UT+1] »Nexus 7,
Yes, I really did motivate my students they told me that all the time. I worked with adults. I love to work with
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adults. Yes, I am very entrepreneurial. I have been working for myself for a while now with the language thing
and modeling thing.
I have a desire to be some kind of host. I work as a hostess and trade show model. So, there is mycommunication media stuff.
BUt, I can see myself doing talk show stuff or hosting something.

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