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tckutlu
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Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?
« on: 13.06.2016 at 00:26 [UT+1] »Hi all.
Is there any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan in astrology?
Thank you.
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Jonnipunn

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« Reply #1 - on: 13.06.2016 at 01:06 [UT+1] »Perhaps sign of f, who is related to health (original significator of 6th house and C)
B represents food and cooking.
2nd house is related food intake.
There should be F influence, as F represents spirituality.
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Gender:So id say Bf in 2nd house with F influence.

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tckutlu
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« Reply #2 - on: 13.06.2016 at 01:23 [UT+1] »Thanks for your opinion Jonnipunn.

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« Reply #3 - on: 13.06.2016 at 13:31 [UT+1] »I'm Taurus, Leo Moon, and I've been trying with limited degrees of success to not eat meat (for the sake of theanimals, which seems to be something of a no-no to say) since the mid 1970s. After watching Earthlings acouple of years ago I did so much better....but I find that when I get the rare takeout - usually Chinese, withnot large chunks of meat in my favorite, Kung Pao Chicken - I often go for a dish with meat in it.
And I'malways surprised that although I don't feel right about it, after all these years it still doesn't gross me out, evenknowing all I now know.
Now I have a lot of willpower. But this one is difficult.
Maybe it shouldn't be so difficult; American society actually pushes meat, as it's very good for business.
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tckutlu
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« Reply #4 - on: 13.06.2016 at 14:08 [UT+1] »Thanks for your story Catsratz.
I wonder is there any indicator of being a vegetarian/vegan and any statistical study in astrology about thecharts which known belong to vegetarians/vegans.
I know a few people who don't like eating meat. But they also eat eggs, honey, cheese etc...
So i'm not sure about being a vegetarian/vegan can be predicted by astrologers. Perhaps i'm wrong.
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Member« Reply #5 - on: 13.06.2016 at 15:33 [UT+1] »I think it would be difficult because the reasons why different people is vegetarian/vegan are different. Somemay be born in a family in which vegetarianism or veganism is normal. Some may do it for personal health,weight loss, others for the animals. Others as a fad diet, etc.
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Gender:I know someone with Virgo rising and Mercury in Cancer who tends to go to extremes. He was a drunk, overweighted and eating everything and one day decided to go vegan. I think his motivation was mostly to lose
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Evescaduceus
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« Reply #6 - on: 13.06.2016 at 15:37 [UT+1] »The lady I know who has been consistently vegetarian throughout adulthood - eats meat and fish very
occasionally - has a very strong 11th House, so her goals and ideology are extremely important to her, has
Moon in the 11th (Moon is how you nourish yourself), and has Ceres right on the cusp of the 11th - Ceres has
to do with food preparation, growing food, etc... She has a Sag ascendant, so the righteousness of that sign
leads and directs her 11th House goals.

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Member« Reply #7 - on: 13.06.2016 at 16:07 [UT+1] »I think it could also be a I or l influence. I've heard a lot of vegans said they went vegan because they were
sympathetic for the animals we usually eat like cows, chickens etc.

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Ricardo

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Member« Reply #8 - on: 13.06.2016 at 17:14 [UT+1] »Quote from Junkie Angel on 13.06.2016 at 16:07 [UT+1]:

Il

I think it could also be aorinfluence. I've heard a lot of vegans said they went vegan because they were sympathetic for the
animals we usually eat like cows, chickens etc.

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Gender:Some of them, but not all of them. I once asked to this vegan person I know if he was aware that withindustrial farming techniques a lot of animals get killed when the harvesting machines are used in the fields.
And his answer was that he didn't care if they died as long as he wasn't eating them.
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BanditEx Member

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« Reply #9 - on: 13.06.2016 at 17:20 [UT+1] »Is not free will possibly the reason why you cant find a signature. The person involved must have the sensitivity
and an environmental setting where the awareness can take place. Education can also be a factor.

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tckutlu
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« Reply #10 - on: 13.06.2016 at 17:32 [UT+1] »Quote from Ricardo on 13.06.2016 at 15:33 [UT+1]:
I think it would be difficult because the reasons why different people is vegetarian/vegan are different. Some may be born in a family inwhich vegetarianism or veganism is normal. Some may do it for personal health, weight loss, others for the animals. Others as a fad diet,etc.
I know someone with Virgo rising and Mercury in Cancer who tends to go to extremes. He was a drunk, over weighted and eating
everything and one day decided to go vegan. I think his motivation was mostly to lose weight.
RicardoThanks Ricardo. So for you astrologers can't predict which astrological combinations make a tendency to be avegetarian/vegan. Because different people have different reasons.
Quote from Evescaduceus on 13.06.2016 at 15:37 [UT+1]:
The lady I know who has been consistently vegetarian throughout adulthood - eats meat and fish very occasionally - has a very strong
11th House, so her goals and ideology are extremely important to her, has Moon in the 11th (Moon is how you nourish yourself), and has
Ceres right on the cusp of the 11th - Ceres has to do with food preparation, growing food, etc... She has a Sag ascendant, so therighteousness of that sign leads and directs her 11th House goals.

Thanks Evescaduceus. I guess she is quite conscientious.
Quote from Junkie Angel on 13.06.2016 at 16:07 [UT+1]:
I think it could also be a

I or l influence. I've heard a lot of vegans said they went vegan because they were sympathetic for the

animals we usually eat like cows, chickens etc.

Thanks Junkie Angel. I read an authors comment like yours in a different forum. Perhaps Jupiter or Virgo isanother influence. Leo Tolstoy was a vegeterian and his moon and sun is in virgo aspecting neptune.

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Ricardo

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Member« Reply #11 - on: 13.06.2016 at 17:44 [UT+1] »Quote from tckutlu on 13.06.2016 at 17:32 [UT+1]:
Thanks Ricardo. So for you astrologers can't predict which astrological combinations make a tendency to be a vegetarian/vegan. Because
different people have different reasons.

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Gender:Yes. I think it would be more probable that through astrology you could see if a person is concerned withanimal well being, or his own health, or environmental issues and maybe because of some of these reasons
he/she will be a vegan or vegetarian.
Also, the environment and culture of the native should be regarded. A person born in India, for example, willmore likely be a vegetarian, which may not be something special there
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tckutlu
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« Reply #12 - on: 13.06.2016 at 18:07 [UT+1] »Quote from Bandit on 13.06.2016 at 17:20 [UT+1]:
Is not free will possibly the reason why you cant find a signature. The person involved must have the sensitivity and an environmental
setting where the awareness can take place. Education can also be a factor.

Thanks Bandit. There's a lot of discussion between determinism and indeterminism. Perhaps free will is anenough reason for someone. Which is enough for someone is not enough for other one. So the difference
between them cause different results. As you said education can be also a factor. So we could say some people
are better in improving themselves in such areas than the others. What factors differentiate this variety?
Cognitive ability, sensivity, experience, genetic heritance and etc... There are a lot of factors.
But in this forum people can try to understand how and when the varieties come into existence by astrology,eh?
Maybe i have to ask can astrology predict anything?
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« Reply #13 - on: 13.06.2016 at 18:10 [UT+1] »I was going to ask if meat eaters get withdrawals...and cravings for blood. But that is not the threads question.

Sensitivity and strength of character is the choice of traits i would look for. It could only take a simple comment
like animals are your friends, to set the mind.
Maybe i have to ask can astrology predict anything?
Medical astrology can pin point issues arising, the same as horary has an inherent ability, but when dealing withpeople, one doesn't quite know which level has been attained or in which state the being is. The astrologicalmake up, can provide the mapping of energy points in which the being suddenly becomes aware of at aparticular timing, Like flash points that keep the being from disaster. Strange word to dis aster. Venus , why dis
Venus?
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tckutlu
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« Reply #14 - on: 13.06.2016 at 18:20 [UT+1] »Quote from Bandit on 13.06.2016 at 18:10 [UT+1]:
I was going to ask if meat eaters get withdrawals...and cravings for blood. But that is not the threads question.
Sensitivity and strength of character is the choice of traits i would look for.

Thank you Bandit.
Most likely you can hear that ''Eating meat is natural for some animals and it's delicious for them.''
As far as i understand there is any sign of being a vegetarian for you too.
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Member« Reply #15 - on: 13.06.2016 at 18:42 [UT+1] »I have I i in the 11th house opposite moon, Ceres & Mars in Gemini in the sixth. My family were notvegetarian but I decided I would not touch anything from an animal except milk since I can remember ( before
I went to school anyway). My Gemini Mars and Ceres squares sun and Venus in Virgo also squaring Neptune. I
only ate eggs and cheese when I was fourteen. I'm 40 now, never eaten meat. It was never strictly about the
animals. I didn't like the smell, texture or the look of meat. Found it disgusting!

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BanditEx Member

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« Reply #16 - on: 13.06.2016 at 18:43 [UT+1] »Maybe i have to ask can astrology predict anything?
Depending upon method and understanding the particulars pertaining to what is being sought. Difficult, as ive
seen it in action, quite remarkable but the person has been hounded away. Sensitivity can become strained,fraying the nerve endings and it causes disturbances towards the abilities.
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tckutlu

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« Reply #17 - on: 13.06.2016 at 18:45 [UT+1] »Quote from Bandit on 13.06.2016 at 18:10 [UT+1]:

Medical astrology can pin point issues arising, the same as horary has an inherent ability, but when dealing with people, one doesn't quite
know which level has been attained or in which state the being is. The astrological make up, can provide the mapping of energy points inwhich the being suddenly becomes aware of at a particular timing, Like flash points that keep the being from disaster. Strange word to dis
aster. Venus , why dis Venus?

So after the astrological patterns known well how to work, astrology students should follow the transits ofplanets and observe what kind of events are happening around and into them. Is it right?
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« Reply #18 - on: 13.06.2016 at 18:50 [UT+1] »I have tried to follow techniques and flipping the triangle around, is very complex and time consuming. I find if
one has built the planetary story of how it all fits together, creating a structured tale, one can normally findwhich planet is out of place just by talking to somebody. We all are mercury Venus moon etc etc, and they are
images that tell the story. Astrology can help refine the process to reveal which placements are causing
disturbance. Its a methodology.
Apollo spoke to mercury to find the source of the gods. And it starts from there.
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tckutlu

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« Reply #19 - on: 13.06.2016 at 18:55 [UT+1] »Quote from LaDawn on 13.06.2016 at 18:42 [UT+1]:

Ii

I havein the 11th house opposite moon, Ceres & Mars in Gemini in the sixth. My family were not vegetarian but I decided I would
not touch anything from an animal except milk since I can remember ( before I went to school anyway). My Gemini Mars and Ceres
squares sun and Venus in Virgo also squaring Neptune. I only ate eggs and cheese when I was fourteen. I'm 40 now, never eaten meat. It
was never strictly about the animals. I didn't like the smell, texture or the look of meat. Found it disgusting!

Thank you LaDawn. The authors had been mentioned f and I influence before. Maybe i have to look at a lotof chart to see the common ground.
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tckutlu
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« Reply #20 - on: 13.06.2016 at 19:00 [UT+1] »Quote from Bandit on 13.06.2016 at 18:50 [UT+1]:
I have tried to follow techniques and flipping the triangle around, is very complex and time consuming. I find if one has built the planetarystory of how it all fits together, creating a structured tale, one can normally find which planet is out of place just by talking to somebody.
We all are mercury Venus moon etc etc, and they are images that tell the story. Astrology can help refine the process to reveal whichplacements are causing disturbance. Its a methodology.
Apollo spoke to mercury to find the source of the gods. And it starts from there.

As far as i understand again it's like ''when i want to talk about blabla issue, he/she just want to fight with me''effect. According to this example, i am the mercury and he/she is the mars personality in a specific ''blabla''area. And this kind of roles are always changing in all areas of life, eh?
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« Reply #21 - on: 13.06.2016 at 19:13 [UT+1] »Quote from tckutlu on 13.06.2016 at 19:00 [UT+1]:

I see. it's like ''when i want to talk about blabla issue, he/she just want to fight with me'' effect. According to this example, i am themercury and he/she is the mars personality. And this kind of roles are always changing in all areas of life.

Well what is the issues in play. Venus is center stage, Mercury speaks for the moon. mars comes onto the scene.
Two people in struggle over power of control pertaining to Venus. The stage is set, excepting Jupiter must be
the guiding force as to lift Venus up so she can pass Saturn's test. The Crux is in Jupiter stance. Which Jupiterin the struggle wins?
This is only one scene that can take place, there are many with many differing set ups, but the story is always
the same, lifting Venus up to pass Saturn's gate.
We could have a scenario of not lifting up Venus and using her for material manifestations, this hasrepercussions which pertain to structure. Nothing wrong with Venus manifesting upon the material plane, all ofearthly creation has a chart with Venus in it. The point here becomes one of value.
Again it is a methodology.
I find if you take thoughts as masculine and feelings as feminine the idea of mind becomes easier tounderstand. Left and right hemispheres.
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Curiosa Nervosa
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« Reply #22 - on: 13.06.2016 at 22:50 [UT+1] »ABD kf and strong 11th house and l energy possibly

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« Reply #23 - on: 14.06.2016 at 03:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Bandit on 13.06.2016 at 19:13 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 13.06.2016 at 19:00 [UT+1]:

I see. it's like ''when i want to talk about blabla issue, he/she just want to fight with me'' effect. According to thisexample, i am the mercury and he/she is the mars personality. And this kind of roles are always changing in all areas oflife.

Well what is the issues in play. Venus is center stage, Mercury speaks for the moon. mars comes onto the scene. Two people in struggle
over power of control pertaining to Venus. The stage is set, excepting Jupiter must be the guiding force as to lift Venus up so she can pass
Saturn's test. The Crux is in Jupiter stance. Which Jupiter in the struggle wins?
This is only one scene that can take place, there are many with many differing set ups, but the story is always the same, lifting Venus up
to pass Saturn's gate.
We could have a scenario of not lifting up Venus and using her for material manifestations, this has repercussions which pertain to
structure. Nothing wrong with Venus manifesting upon the material plane, all of earthly creation has a chart with Venus in it. The point
here becomes one of value.
Again it is a methodology.
I find if you take thoughts as masculine and feelings as feminine the idea of mind becomes easier to understand. Left and righthemispheres.

Thank for your understanding Bandit. I need time to think thoroughly about this methodology.
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SerenaEx Member

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« Reply #24 - on: 14.06.2016 at 08:37 [UT+1] »This my natal chart along with transits and progressions for the day when I decided to stop eating meat, as wellas wearing fur and leather items.
Back in 1999, the decision was taken because I was troubled with the acts of violence against animals(especially scarification for religious reasons). My philosophy is not to eat/ wear anything for which an animal
has to suffer or die. I was still eating dairy products, but I had to give up those earlier this year because ofhealth issues.
I was and still am the only one in my family/ circle of friends and acquaintances which has chosen this life style.
Some previous posters have mentioned 11H B, and f influence - it is probably my p A and nlB in 11H
which triggered the decision at that time.
I hope this will help you in your research

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« Reply #25 - on: 14.06.2016 at 14:45 [UT+1] »Quote from Serena on 14.06.2016 at 08:37 [UT+1]:
This my natal chart along with transits and progressions for the day when I decided to stop eating meat, as well as wearing fur and leather
items.
Back in 1999, the decision was taken because I was troubled with the acts of violence against animals (especially scarification for religious
reasons). My philosophy is not to eat/ wear anything for which an animal has to suffer or die. I was still eating dairy products, but I had togive up those earlier this year because of health issues.
I was and still am the only one in my family/ circle of friends and acquaintances which has chosen this life style.
Some previous posters have mentioned 11HB, and f influence - it is probably my pA and nlB in 11H which triggered the decision atthat time.
I hope this will help you in your research

Hello Serena.
In your chart 3 inner planets are in watery signs. North node is in cancer. I guess you are a sensitive and anemotional person with strong mothering impulses, eh?
Chiron-Moon-Mercury-Uranus are in grand cross. This aspect may increase your sensivity to your enviroment.
As you said you may suffer because of other livings sufferings.
The authors comments point at

I, k, f influence maybe some d effect is at work also. I need to see morecharts which known belong to vegeterian/vegan people. First of all i need to improve my English. I can't
respond as i wish.
Thanks for your support.
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tckutlu
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« Reply #26 - on: 14.06.2016 at 15:04 [UT+1] »Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 13.06.2016 at 22:50 [UT+1]:

ABD kf and strong 11th house and l energy possibly

Thanks for your support Curiosa Nervosa.
Your comment is near to other authors comments. You gave me some thoughts.
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« Reply #27 - on: 14.06.2016 at 19:51 [UT+1] »This is an interesting topic, im vegan for a few years now. I have strong 11th house with ACE all in h

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tckutlu
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« Reply #28 - on: 14.06.2016 at 20:27 [UT+1] »Quote from Sarahlm on 14.06.2016 at 19:51 [UT+1]:
This is an interesting topic, im vegan for a few years now. I have strong 11th house with

ACE all in hMaybe k (with i or l?) influence. Are you willing to share your chart?
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« Reply #29 - on: 15.06.2016 at 12:21 [UT+1] »it's not the sign ,it's the object.

Y has to do with food.
\ has to do with purity
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tckutlu
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« Reply #30 - on: 15.06.2016 at 13:46 [UT+1] »Quote from Bjorkstrand on 15.06.2016 at 12:21 [UT+1]:
it's not the sign ,it's the object.

Y has to do with food.
\ has to do with purityjim

Hi Bjorkstrand.
Sorry i can't understand what you meant with the word ''object''. I guess you used the word ''it'' pronoun
representing ''the object''. (it is a pencil -> this usage is correct, it is a sign -> this usage is false because
people can ask ''Sign of what? Which object?'' ) At that the way i used the word ''sign'' was false. So the topic
name's correct form is ''any object of being a vegetarian/vegan?'' or ? Can you help me understand what you
mean? My english is bad as you can see.
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« Reply #31 - on: 15.06.2016 at 14:25 [UT+1] »I belive Bjorkstrand meant that it is not the zodiac sign that gives information about a person's tendency to
become vegetarian, but rather the planet/ asteroid which is in a particular zodiac sign. (your previous post wasreferring to k, i and l, and Bjorkstrand's post might have been related to that)
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tckutlu
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« Reply #32 - on: 15.06.2016 at 14:45 [UT+1] »Quote from Serena on 15.06.2016 at 14:25 [UT+1]:
I belive Bjorkstrand meant that it is not the zodiac sign that gives information about a person's tendency to become vegetarian, but rather
the planet/ asteroid which is in a particular zodiac sign. (your previous post was referring tok, i and l, and Bjorkstrand's post might

have been related to that)Thank you Serena.
I used the word ''sign'' as ''indicator''. But that word is also means astrological sign. Maybe i just think Turkish.
Because in Turkish ''sign (as indicator)'' and ''sign (in astrology)'' translations are not same like in English.
Please correct me if i'm wrong. k is a sign. And i guess sign without any planet means nothing.
I said k influence for the author's planets position in the 11'th house. Thought that he/she has a strong k
personality.
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« Reply #33 - on: 16.06.2016 at 03:22 [UT+1] »Serena is exactly right.
Object = planet, asteroid, tno, near earth object, brown dwarf star
I have the BmDm\, I haven't eaten meat since 1969. aum to that
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Krista ShippMember« Reply #34 - on: 16.06.2016 at 03:34 [UT+1] »I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian & have been since my late teens..

i rules my H6 & NB m Y 17 l- H9
H 3 holds Df m SN & Gf at a later degree q NA H1
I've always been a bit finicky about food- preferring grains. nuts, fruit -etc
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I can't say there has been a humanitarian/altruistic motive in my case
There has just always been something about eating a carcass that repulses me
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tckutlu

Ex Member« Reply #35 - on: 16.06.2016 at 13:51 [UT+1] »Quote from Bjorkstrand on 16.06.2016 at 03:22 [UT+1]:
Serena is exactly right.
Object = planet, asteroid, tno, near earth object, brown dwarf star
I have the

BmDm\, I haven't eaten meat since 1969. aum to that

Jim

Thank you Bjorkstrand.
So for you signs like lk gives no information about being a vegetarian/vegan?
Can we say if the planets conjunct in a different sign or in a different house, we will observe the same effects?
According to Sarahlm's message i just saw the planets were placed in 11'th house. 11'th house means thehouse of friends, groups, hopes... Then i thought if the planets come together in 11'th house, a strong k
influence will be seen in the chart, eh?
And also in Evescaduceus's message, she said the lady she know has a strong 11'th house. Then i thought astrong k influenced person is she.
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tckutlu
Ex Member« Reply #36 - on: 16.06.2016 at 13:57 [UT+1] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 16.06.2016 at 03:34 [UT+1]:
I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian & have been since my late teens..

i rules my H6 & NB m Y 17 l- H9
H 3 holds

Df m SN & Gf at a later degree q NA H1

I've always been a bit finicky about food- preferring grains. nuts, fruit -etc

Except for yogurt- I have lost my taste for dairy over the past few years

I can't say there has been a humanitarian/altruistic motive in my case
There has just always been something about eating a carcass that repulses me
My2

KThank you Krista Shipp.
You look very slim in your avatar.
Are you willing to share your chart?
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« Reply #37 - on: 16.06.2016 at 20:21 [UT+1] »Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 13.06.2016 at 22:50 [UT+1]:

ABD kf and strong 11th house and l energy possibly

Possible.. Who knows.
There must be a limit to 'see' what is ' in the stars' in our individual natal charts when it comes to the subjectof this topic.
Most important is our free will and a general change of thought.
Many times our free will is manipulated. And sometimes that is a benefit.
A vegetarian/vegan lifestyle is booming and ultra modern atm.
Correction: in the Modern Western World it is. Famous people are cueing up to say they are vegetarian/vegan.
(Most )Hindu/India people are strictly vegetarian. from birth.
Is it in their charts? I don't think soNowadays a green lifestyle is very popular.
See how many vegan foodbloggers and enthusiast vegetarians we have on internet. It looks good, it has
supereasy recepies and it is kind of easy to skip meat 1 or 2 times a week. A slow but permanent change in our
attitude against eating dead flesh.
There is a major shift going on and a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is one of the outcomes, I think.
Check mundane transits, like Neptune and Chiron in Pisces for example.
Abandonning or eating less meat is a blessing for the planet (Google on Cowspiracy to see an eyeopening
documentary) and for our individual health too.

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« Reply #38 - on: 16.06.2016 at 21:35 [UT+1] »Quote from Delphi on 16.06.2016 at 20:21 [UT+1]:

Many times our free will is manipulated. And sometimes that is a benefit.

Could you explain this more? Do you mean by the planets?
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« Reply #39 - on: 16.06.2016 at 21:40 [UT+1] »Quote from Delphi on 16.06.2016 at 20:21 [UT+1]:
Quote from Curiosa Nervosa on 13.06.2016 at 22:50 [UT+1]:

ABD kf and strong 11th house and l energy possibly
Possible.. Who knows.
There must be a limit to 'see' what is ' in the stars' in our individual natal charts when it comes to the subject of this topic.
Most important is our free will and a general change of thought.
Many times our free will is manipulated. And sometimes that is a benefit.
A vegetarian/vegan lifestyle is booming and ultra modern atm.
Correction: in the Modern Western World it is. Famous people are cueing up to say they are vegetarian/vegan.
(Most )Hindu/India people are strictly vegetarian. from birth.
Is it in their charts? I don't think soNowadays a green lifestyle is very popular.
See how many vegan foodbloggers and enthusiast vegetarians we have on internet. It looks good, it has supereasy recepies and it is kindof easy to skip meat 1 or 2 times a week. A slow but permanent change in our attitude against eating dead flesh.
There is a major shift going on and a vegan/vegetarian lifestyle is one of the outcomes, I think.
Check mundane transits, like Neptune and Chiron in Pisces for example.
Abandonning or eating less meat is a blessing for the planet (Google on Cowspiracy to see an eyeopening documentary) and for our
individual health too.

Thank you Delphi.
I agree with your ''There's a limit to see what is in the stars about us'' idea. Your Indian example is proper. As
becoming an astrology student how can we study? Is there any method for everyone? What informations can
the charts give to us? An information about what will be happening? An information about what and how weshould do? An information about our traits? An information about how and why the stars have personal
meanings like humans? etc...
Sorry, i am confused and curious about where's the limit of astrology knowledge.
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« Reply #40 - on: 16.06.2016 at 22:23 [UT+1] »Quote from Bandit on 16.06.2016 at 21:35 [UT+1]:
Quote from Delphi on 16.06.2016 at 20:21 [UT+1]:

Many times our free will is manipulated. And sometimes that is a benefit.

Could you explain this more? Do you mean by the planets?

If we look at transits from outer planets, I do think they bring mass changes, but they happen so slow that we
do not fully notice them untill the moment an increasing majority feels more or less the same/accepts an idea
and slowly starts to accept/copy parts of it.
Not too long ago (depending on your age of course) vegetarians were Tofus.( And that was not a compliment.
There was a connotation with being stuck in the 70's, being alternative, a hippy but foremost: a burden tohave a vegetarian for dinner.
That has changed, not?
Nowadays it is normal to ask first time guests if they eat meat/fish.
That is a major shift that many must have noticed.
Compare it with our attitude towards smoking. A major shift.
Gradually we move on, learn and progress.
Our attitude against eating meat is changing and a significant marker.
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« Reply #41 - on: 16.06.2016 at 22:36 [UT+1] »Yes the blood thirst is showing signs of change. Al these horror movies and vampires etc,, zombies, what isgoing on.

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« Reply #42 - on: 19.06.2016 at 03:35 [UT+1] »I am a fA and I am not a vegetarian. I have only known two fAs who became vegetarians. However, I havemet several hAs who are vegetarians. They choose that route mainly for ethical reasons. This is just my twocents.

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« Reply #43 - on: 20.06.2016 at 18:49 [UT+1] »Quote from Jonnipunn on 13.06.2016 at 01:06 [UT+1]:

f, who is related to health (original significator of 6th house and C)
B represents food and cooking.
Perhaps sign of

2nd house is related food intake.
There should be
So id say

F influence, as F represents spirituality.

Bf in 2nd house with F influence.

I'd agree with you Jonnipunn,
I have a friend with a LOADED Virgo - i actually guessed he was virgo AC - but no, Leo sun with scorpio AC but Virgo houses so many planets he's sooooo virgo in personality.
He's a staunch vegan - an animal rights activist, he pushes the agenda on everyone! He has always been vegansince age 14.
I'm cancer sun, virgo AC and never ever liked the taste of meat - so haven been vegetarian all my life, 10 yrs asa vegan, and dabbled with fruitarianism, detoxes etc.
I study medicine, human biology, body functions etc and nutritionally WISH i was a meat eater as it's so dense
in calories, amino acids, iron, Vit A etc - so it's a really nutrient dense food, BUT i truly loathe the taste and the
texture in the mouth is vile to me.
I also have jupiter in Cancer so maybe that gives that extra boost to being like this!
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« Reply #44 - on: 20.06.2016 at 19:01 [UT+1] »Quote from KarmenBeSirius on 20.06.2016 at 18:49 [UT+1]:
Quote from Jonnipunn on 13.06.2016 at 01:06 [UT+1]:

f, who is related to health (original significator of 6th house and C)
B represents food and cooking.
Perhaps sign of

2nd house is related food intake.
There should be

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Gender:So id say

F influence, as F represents spirituality.

Bf in 2nd house with F influence.

I'd agree with you Jonnipunn,
I have a friend with a LOADED Virgo - i actually guessed he was virgo AC - but no, Leo sun with scorpio AC - but Virgo houses so many
planets he's sooooo virgo in personality.
He's a staunch vegan - an animal rights activist, he pushes the agenda on everyone! He has always been vegan since age 14.
I'm cancer sun, virgo AC and never ever liked the taste of meat - so haven been vegetarian all my life, 10 yrs as a vegan, and dabbled
with fruitarianism, detoxes etc.
I study medicine, human biology, body functions etc and nutritionally WISH i was a meat eater as it's so dense in calories, amino acids,
iron, Vit A etc - so it's a really nutrient dense food, BUT i truly loathe the taste and the texture in the mouth is vile to me.
I also have jupiter in Cancer so maybe that gives that extra boost to being like this!

One possibilty of f is being an animal or environmental activist - 6th house is represented by these things.
In d F is exlated. Do you like to teach and instil wisdom in others?
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« Reply #45 - on: 20.06.2016 at 22:23 [UT+1] »My friend has the loaded Virgo in house 10 - mars in there, with mercury, venus, north node and saturnconjunct his MC!
With jupiter in cancer - i'm not much of a teacher in the 'official sense' - i don't do public speaking etc as i'm
far too shy, but i like to pass onto friends and family the things i learn in life. I like internet forums too todiscuss ideas, realisations, theories etc.
I would do 1 on 1 counselling, be an ear for someone, i love to find the silver lining and help others see theirpotential and bolster their confidence.

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« Reply #46 - on: 22.06.2016 at 17:27 [UT+1] »Hi, sorry I am replying so late. I just saw this.
I have Virgo Uranus/Mercury/Pluto conjunct in my 2nd and 3rd house. I do not eat meat simply because I do
not like the taste. I feel sick to my stomach eating just about anything that has had blood in it's veins. Not
due to principals, entirely due to being completely grossed out. I am at the point where I cannot stand thesmell of eggs either. I can of course eat eggs that have been blended into batters and cooked, but eggs ontheir own smell horrible to me.
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Gender:I love milk, however. But it has to be ice cold, and I prefer only 1% fat. If milk has been sitting out in a bowl
or glass, I am repulsed. I think my repulsion to meat, eggs and no longer cold milk may have something to dowith the smell of protein, and my aversion to it.
I enjoy cheese, but not too much and my favorite is mozzarella or string cheese. I especially enjoy it withcrackers and fruit.
I am a fan of whole grain, fresh veggies and fruits, washed down with apple juice.

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« Reply #47 - on: 24.06.2016 at 18:47 [UT+1] »Hi.
Probably 6th/ Virgo (for health reasons) and 12th/ Pisces (for ethical, spiritual reasons, compassion for animals,etc) house emphasis. Ceres may be important too because it rules nutrition, food.

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Ex Member« Reply #48 - on: 25.06.2016 at 23:33 [UT+1] »Quote from tckutlu on 13.06.2016 at 00:26 [UT+1]:
Hi all.
Is there any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan in astrology?
Thank you.

As you ask this question on the Astrodienst forum, I would suggest you to study
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Traits_:_Body_:_Diet_unusual
or just do a direct search like:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/sub.cgi?lang=g&sumode=gresult&gquery=vegetarian
I will tell you more about it later (speculation can be done fast, but doing statistics on it takes more time)
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« Reply #49 - on: 25.06.2016 at 23:44 [UT+1] »(Oh, correcting my reply. You say it is stalking when snapping someones reply.
Sorry, correcting.)...........

What about Ceres in this food based investigation? Also 2H could be inspected and also Taurus in the chart.
Some thoughs.
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« Reply #50 - on: 26.06.2016 at 00:48 [UT+1] »But I could think one has to look for some ideals as it has sometimes a connection to that, ethical part also,
but that is the same for house. Also maybe 6H for habits. It could be complicated to be vegetarian sometimes,
thus not so common nowadays as people often meantion that in a context with food habits. The same forvegan.
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Ex Member« Reply #51 - on: 26.06.2016 at 07:31 [UT+1] »That works for me, JP, Jupiter in Virgo in 2nd and effortlessly vegetarian since teens.
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for me!Quote from Jonnipunn on 13.06.2016 at 01:06 [UT+1]:

f, who is related to health (original significator of 6th house and C)
B represents food and cooking.
Perhaps sign of

2nd house is related food intake.
There should be
So id say

F influence, as F represents spirituality.

Bf in 2nd house with F influence.

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Member« Reply #52 - on: 26.06.2016 at 09:38 [UT+1] »I've been vegetarian for the last 10 years due to ethical reasons.

A, Ck
J/K f H6
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I had the following transits 10 years ago: HmY in H12, InB, NmA
I'm the only one within a big family who often ignores my habit.

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Ex Member« Reply #53 - on: 26.06.2016 at 09:44 [UT+1] »So its Virgo and Aquarius?

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Ex Member« Reply #54 - on: 26.06.2016 at 14:25 [UT+1] »Quote from ganglion on 25.06.2016 at 23:33 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 13.06.2016 at 00:26 [UT+1]:
Hi all.
Is there any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan in astrology?
Thank you.
As you ask this question on the Astrodienst forum, I would suggest you to study
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Traits_:_Body_:_Diet_unusual
or just do a direct search like:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/sub.cgi?lang=g&sumode=gresult&gquery=vegetarian
I will tell you more about it later (speculation can be done fast, but doing statistics on it takes more time)Thanks for your suggest Ganglion. As you said it takes time. I have looked at the first 10 charts.
The first is own to Bertolt Brecht. I was focused to his A and D is in k in 2'nd house and both have p aspects
to J and I in 6'th house. His 11'th house is empty. G and O are in m in the 12'th house and n to the 6'thhouse planets. (i guess his 12'th house is also strong.)
The second is own to Jonathan Cainer. This chart is quite different than the first one. Many planets are placed in
10'th and 11'th house. I and F m MC and have q to the J in f. A t-square btw the 2'nd, 8'th, and 11'thhouses. D is in k in the 2'nd house.
The third is own to Jennifer Raymond. This chart placement is also different. B in k and m to the ASC. And
also is a point of Grand Trine. The other points of the Grand Trine are G in f and A and E in c. D and O
are in d in the 6'th house and o to the I. I guess 6'th and 4'th houses are strong.
The forth is own to Chris Lebeau. This chart placement reminds me the third one. E is in d in the 7'th houseand has a q to the I in b. I o to the F in k in 2'nd house. A is in 6'th house and has a q to the B and p
to the MC. The B is n to the MC. I guess 6'th and 4'th houses are strong.
The fifth is own to Peggy Lipton. This chart placement reminds me the previous two charts. But it seems a bit
different. Her sun is in f in the 7'th house. ASC is in the k and is in Kite aspect with B, D, F, O, N. Guess

O and C are strong in this chart.
The sixth is own to Mike Pinder. This chart is quite different than the others. I is in f conjunct the ASC. Ando to the 4'th house A and C in j. And also p to the O and G in b. J is in the 11'th house. J have q
aspects to the I and ASC. K is in f. D is in k. Guess I is strong in this chart. MC. is in the c sign (at 29
degree).
The seventh is own to Jorge Luis Borges. This chart reminds me the first one. There's a Kite aspect. The focal
point is J and is in the 11'th house. A and D also have a o aspect to the O. The K is in the 6'th house. Sun
is in f sign. And also p to the MC in b with D in e. His A, D and C have a p aspect to the K. Guess A in

f is strong in his chart. MC. is in the b sign.
The eight is own to Linda McCartney. A, I and K are in 11'th house. I and K are in f sign. And have p
aspects to the O and G. G is in b and O is in c. E is retro in the 6'th house. E has a n aspect to the C.
E is the ruler of her ASC.
The ninth is own to Richie Havens. I and K is in m with ASC. K is in g. I is in f sign q with B in f and
J in e and p to O in b. His A and C are in k. A has a p aspect to the O but o to the F and G in b.
Guess A and O are strong in his chart. MC. is in d sign.
The tenth is own to David Koresh. A, C, O and J are in 11'th house. B and N are in k. B has an n aspect
to the O. I is the focal point of the t-square. D and E are m in the f sign. Guess his 11'th house and I arestrong.
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According to these charts i observed that there are many different factors. But we could easily generalise thatsome views are similar. For example a strong 11'th house, strong O and I effect, strong f sign with O or I
influence, strong 6'th house effect, 5'th house is in k (MC. in d) effect. Already these factors are changeable
indicators and we could also observe these factors in non-vegetarians chart. We should think the factors in thewhole chart.
And thanks for your teaching about how to use search section.
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« Reply #55 - on: 27.06.2016 at 22:56 [UT+1] »Quote from tckutlu on 26.06.2016 at 14:25 [UT+1]:

E is in d in the 7'th house and has a q to the I in b.
I o to the F in k in 2'nd house. A is in 6'th house and has a q to the B and p to the MC. The B is n to the MC. I guess 6'th and 4'th
The forth is own to Chris Lebeau. This chart placement reminds me the third one.
houses are strong.
And thanks for your teaching about how to use search section.

I don't know, but this anarchistic painter and theosofist fascinated me.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Lebeau,_Chris
Quote:
His birth underground in an Amsterdam cellar was announced by his father in De Werkmansbode: "We (siblings) announce with regret,that a Brother was born under the name of GEORGE JOHN CHRISTIAAN, .. for the reason that we are now required to share every single
part of our diet, dress and cover with him.
It is of irony, that the vegetarian Chris Labeau died near the end of WWII of malnutrition in the concentration camp of Dachau, afterrefusing the not hundred percent vegetarian "soup" provided by the Nazi's, and thus giving it to others. He also refused smoking anddrinking alcohol, coffee and tea.

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Ex Member« Reply #56 - on: 27.06.2016 at 23:07 [UT+1] »One of my friends has been a vegetarian ever since she was 14. She has fA, dB, fC, fD, and Taurus
Ascendant. Her natal chart is earth dominant.

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« Reply #57 - on: 28.06.2016 at 01:41 [UT+1] »Quote from ganglion on 27.06.2016 at 22:56 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 26.06.2016 at 14:25 [UT+1]:

E is in d in the 7'th house and has a q
I in b. I o to the F in k in 2'nd house. A is in 6'th house and has a q to the B and p to the MC. The B is n

The forth is own to Chris Lebeau. This chart placement reminds me the third one.
to theto the MC. I guess 6'th and 4'th houses are strong.
And thanks for your teaching about how to use search section.

I don't know, but this anarchistic painter and theosofist fascinated me.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/ChrisLebeau1935.jpg
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Lebeau,_Chris
Quote:
His birth underground in an Amsterdam cellar was announced by his father in De Werkmansbode: "We (siblings) announcewith regret, that a Brother was born under the name of GEORGE JOHN CHRISTIAAN, .. for the reason that we are now
required to share every single part of our diet, dress and cover with him.
It is of irony, that the vegetarian Chris Labeau died near the end of WWII of malnutrition in the concentration camp of
Dachau, after refusing the not hundred percent vegetarian "soup" provided by the Nazi's, and thus giving it to others. He
also refused smoking and drinking alcohol, coffee and tea.

Wellcome.
The biography says he was religious.
In his chart ASC is in i sign.
His A is in c and n to the ASC. Gives a bit g character.
His A is in the 6'th house. Gives a tendency to work for others.

A is also o to the O.
O is in 8'th house.
D is p to the O.
He may like other unique individuals. Not the soldiers or forceful communions.
Mars is placed in the 7'th house in d sign. So maybe this aspect can explain the action to protect the motherland.
His C, I and J is in b sign, both are in 5'th house. Supports thinking, imagining, focusing on creating andproducting matters.
His B is in 3'th house in a sign m with G according to Placidus. According to whole sign, B and G are in 5'thhouse.

B is n to the MC.
Already the midpoint of 3 and 5 is 4.
His B is balanced in the 4'th house.
And what can i say about B m G in a sign consideration?
Firstly he may also be a bit emotional.

G m B may give an effect of 'test of our feelings'.
B in a may give fiery emotions.
But G in a m to B may give responsiblity of our feelings stimulated by others actions. G may test the a(initiative) qualities.
Not suprisingly B is o to E in his chart. E is also o to the MC/IC axis.
Mars is in the d sign. Moon is in the a sign. This combination is the mutual reception (or rejections?).
Sometimes the feelings which come from others may crush his own feelings.
A p to the IC/MC axis.
MC is in g sign.
G also represents the society with F. The outher ones.
So his emotions becomes overwhelmed by others actions.
F p to the MC. And also q to the ASC.
F is in k sign.

k is the most social and unusual archetype.
C o to the F.
I guess he may question the society values.
F is in 2'nd house.
He may value the society. Which one is the most valuable for him? The Nazi Society and their forceful actions?

C q E may increase the the mind think of/by/with others actions.
E is in 7'th house. The other ones are seem forceful than him. Through their feelings and actions, he may
sometimes have emotional problems which are hard to deal with.
And he is a person of lived in a century of world wars.
Anyway i want to turn back to the C.

C is in b sign with I and J.
I think this stellium is also an important parameter for his vegetarianism or food-health issues.
A lot of things can say about the chart i just say try to say my thoughs. I need to stop the text now.
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Ex Member« Reply #58 - on: 28.06.2016 at 04:13 [UT+1] »Hi tckutlu,
I'm not sure if you're looking for additional personal chart details or not, but my husband went vegetarian at
the age of 15 (he's 51 now). He has a 1st House Gemini Sun, Mercury, Jupiter conjunction square an 11th
House Saturn in Pisces. He also has the Moon in Libra in the 6th House, Mars in Virgo conjunct Pluto and
Uranus, and an Aquarius MC. Saturn is the most elevated planet in his chart, and there's the Virgo/6th
House/11th House theme.
I went vegetarian (no meat, fish, dairy, or eggs) in my mid-twenties, which I believe was the early beginnings ofmy 11th House Saturn in Taurus Return stage. Saturn is the most elevated planet in my natal, and I
experienced a Gestalt shift. I have 6 planets in the 4th House, a Libra Sun conjunct Jupiter, Venus conjunctPluto in Virgo, and a Virgo IC. But once we decided to start a family, I reintroduced non-factory farmed eggs
and some dairy (ice cream), but could never drink cow's milk, and have now resumed a veganish diet.
An acquaintance of mine, a Libra Sun/Moon, Venus in Virgo went vegetarian at the age of 3 (his Pisces Sun
father was a vegetarian, so he was probably following his example). But this Libra Sun person, a university
professor, must be in his 70s now, and has been vegetarian his entire life.
Not sure if these famous vegetarians have been mentioned:
Scorpio Sun Joaquin Phoenix (actor), Virgo Sun Leo Tolstoy, Virgo Sun Mary Shelley, and Leo Sun, Mercury in
Virgo, Pluto in 11th Percy Bysshe Shelley.
I had not heard of Chris Lebeau, but his bio is fascinating and would make a great movie.
This has probably already been mentioned, but in addition to the Jupiter-Ethics connection, Neptune aspects
could play a role. There's a very common theme in philosophical debates about ethics and compassion, and thisis a popular quote found in vegetarian/vegan literature. The quote is from the English philosopher Jeremy
Bentham:"The question is not, 'Can they reason?' nor, 'Can they talk?' but rather, 'Can they suffer?
-Jeremy Bentham (born 15 February 1748) is considered one of the earliest proponents of animal rights,
though not a vegetarian.
As mentioned, vegetarianism has become almost mainstream in recent years, and I could easily namevegetarians of every Sun sign, so other placements must be considered. But if a person is vegetarian/vegan for
health reasons -- actually, I believe former U.S. president Bill Clinton went vegan after his recent heart troubles-- I too would say that would relate to a Virgo/6th House focus (or a very strong will to live a long life!)

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« Reply #59 - on: 28.06.2016 at 12:53 [UT+1] »Quote from Sol Flower on 28.06.2016 at 04:13 [UT+1]:
Hi tckutlu,
I'm not sure if you're looking for additional personal chart details or not, but my husband went vegetarian at the age of 15 (he's 51 now).
He has a 1st House Gemini Sun, Mercury, Jupiter conjunction square an 11th House Saturn in Pisces. He also has the Moon in Libra in the
6th House, Mars in Virgo conjunct Pluto and Uranus, and an Aquarius MC. Saturn is the most elevated planet in his chart, and there's the
Virgo/6th House/11th House theme.
I went vegetarian (no meat, fish, dairy, or eggs) in my mid-twenties, which I believe was the early beginnings of my 11th House Saturnin Taurus Return stage. Saturn is the most elevated planet in my natal, and I experienced a Gestalt shift. I have 6 planets in the 4th
House, a Libra Sun conjunct Jupiter, Venus conjunct Pluto in Virgo, and a Virgo IC. But once we decided to start a family, I reintroduced
non-factory farmed eggs and some dairy (ice cream), but could never drink cow's milk, and have now resumed a veganish diet.
An acquaintance of mine, a Libra Sun/Moon, Venus in Virgo went vegetarian at the age of 3 (his Pisces Sun father was a vegetarian, so he
was probably following his example). But this Libra Sun person, a university professor, must be in his 70s now, and has been vegetarian
his entire life.
Not sure if these famous vegetarians have been mentioned:
Scorpio Sun Joaquin Phoenix (actor), Virgo Sun Leo Tolstoy, Virgo Sun Mary Shelley, and Leo Sun, Mercury in Virgo, Pluto in 11th Percy
Bysshe Shelley.
I had not heard of Chris Lebeau, but his bio is fascinating and would make a great movie.
This has probably already been mentioned, but in addition to the Jupiter-Ethics connection, Neptune aspects could play a role. There's avery common theme in philosophical debates about ethics and compassion, and this is a popular quote found in vegetarian/vegan
literature. The quote is from the English philosopher Jeremy Bentham:"The question is not, 'Can they reason?' nor, 'Can they talk?' but rather, 'Can they suffer?
-Jeremy Bentham (born 15 February 1748) is considered one of the earliest proponents of animal rights, though not a vegetarian.
As mentioned, vegetarianism has become almost mainstream in recent years, and I could easily name vegetarians of every Sun sign, so
other placements must be considered. But if a person is vegetarian/vegan for health reasons -- actually, I believe former U.S. president
Bill Clinton went vegan after his recent heart troubles -- I too would say that would relate to a Virgo/6th House focus (or a very strong
will to live a long life!)

Hi Sol Flower.
Firstly you are wellcome and thanks for your addition.
Sorry i wonder what's your ascendant? c or d?
F and I effects may also be strong in vegetarian's charts. As you said ethics, compassion and interests of theother cultures/livings are the main themes of these planets.
Your husband's B is in 6'th house.
Guess your husband may pay attention to his health? This aspect may give some f qualities to his B.
His A, C and F is in c and also the MC is in k. Do these objects (with B) p to the MC and form a grandtrine in air signs?
As far as you said i can say your husband has a strong f and k character, eh?
I agree with you we could find many vegetarians in different sun signs.
Different people may have different reasons of being a vegetarian.
Working on a specific topic takes long time.
Thanks to ganglion again. He/she teached me how to use search section. Then i found charts from astro.com
chart database. Next step may be working in single charts. It takes also time. I just investigated the less. It's alarge topic.
Thanks again.
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« Reply #60 - on: 28.06.2016 at 14:28 [UT+1] »Though vegetarian myself (Taurus)...I must include a famous Arian vegetarian: Adolf Hitler.
He became vegetarian (don't know when) not for the animals' sake, but because he thought meat waspoisonous to his body.
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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?
« Reply #61 - on: 28.06.2016 at 14:38 [UT+1] »Quote from Catsratz on 28.06.2016 at 14:28 [UT+1]:
Though vegetarian myself (Taurus)...I must include a famous Arian vegetarian: Adolf Hitler.
He became vegetarian (don't know when) not for the animals' sake, but because he thought meat was poisonous to his body.

His D and E m in b sign and also A is in b sign. Maybe he became vegetarian for his body health.
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Ex Member« Reply #62 - on: 28.06.2016 at 20:51 [UT+1] »That's another good, yet disturbing example. Hitler was a vegetarian and so were many Nazis who believed
vegetarianism as well as other various forms of abstentions were the key to a healthy and long life. A really
good book on the subject that discusses this particular period in history in-depth is 'The Bloodless Revolution:
A Cultural History of Vegetarianism From 1600 to Modern Times" by Tristram Stuart
Quotes from the book:"Hitler himself believed that vegetarianism would help to purify his own 'bad blood'- an idea carrying
implications for both physical health and breeding (he may have feared that he had a Jewish ancestor)."
Stuart also states that Hitler believed vegetarianism was the "key to military success" and that "Caesar's
soldiers had lived exclusively on vegetables," he (Hitler) claimed.
It sounds like a form of Virgoan extremism. Mercury-ruled Virgo taken to the extreme could become myopic,
purely mechanistic and unfeeling and taking purity to bizarre limits. But Hitler did not have any planets in
Virgo, but a Mercury in Aries in the 6th House conjunct the DSC and Sun. Also a prominent Saturn in Leo in
the 10th House and a Leo MC, the ultimate regal authority. Hitler believed in vegetarianism, so apparently thatmeant everyone around him should do the same.
Stuart also states, "Even Joseph Goebbels, in an entry in his diary, seems to have agreed that on the issue ofvegetarianism, Hitler's 'arguments cannot be refuted on any serious basis. They are totally unanswerable.'
Hitler's 0 Taurus Sun conjunct Mercury in Aries, 0 Gemini Neptune, no planets in water. No Neptune contacts to
Mercury. The chart ruler is Venus (Libra Rising, Libra the 'real perfectionist'? according to Liz Greene), andVenus is retrograde conjunct the god of war in Taurus. But Uranus in the 12th House conjunct the Libra
Ascendant opposing Mercury, takes on a major focus. Jupiter conjunct Moon in Capricorn in the 3rd Housefurther accentuates the strict unfeeling theme in the chart. Just a few things that stand out to me. But it'sironic that this extreme focus on health/purity produced the opposite - unhealthy corruption and extremism.
There must be tons written on his psychology, but I haven't read any of it.
tckutlu - Yes! Concerning my husband's Moon in the 6th House, he is health conscious, though fortunately forme he's not annoying about it. But one weird trait of his that I've yet to understand even after living together
for almost 15 years, is he is not finicky at all about anything vegetarian. Dropped food on the floor? No
problem, waste not want not. He also enjoys strange food combinations. For example, I could spend hours
making a tomato and pasta dish from scratch and he'll go and put a handful of walnuts on top. He also eats
porridge almost every day, but likes it almost solid. He'll put whatever's left in the refrigerator and then eat it
cold the next day. I don't even question it anymore. But it's actually a blessing living with someone who isn't
finicky like me.

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Quote from Catsratz on 28.06.2016 at 14:28 [UT+1]:
Though vegetarian myself (Taurus)...I must include a famous Arian vegetarian: Adolf Hitler.
He became vegetarian (don't know when) not for the animals' sake, but because he thought meat was poisonous to his
body.

His

D and E m in b sign and also A is in b sign. Maybe he became vegetarian for his body health.

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« Reply #63 - on: 28.06.2016 at 21:50 [UT+1] »I try to forget what you wrote Sol Flower.
When I hear the "name" I get so blocked that I couldn´t think offood at the same time. Loosing my apetite as if he was present. Lol!
But good take on astrology.
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« Reply #64 - on: 28.06.2016 at 23:07 [UT+1] »I know what you mean, somethoughts. It's disturbing to even discuss.
Hi again, tckutlu I was running out of room in the previous post, so didn't answer the question about my Ascendant. It's inCancer.
And thank you for starting the thread. Very interesting.
Quote from somethoughts on 28.06.2016 at 21:50 [UT+1]:
I try to forget what you wrote Sol Flower.
Loosing my apetite as if he was present. Lol!
But good take on astrology.

When I hear the "name" I get so blocked that I couldn´t think of food at the same time.

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« Reply #65 - on: 28.06.2016 at 23:27 [UT+1] »Sol Flower,
thinking of your husbands habits, 6H. It shows also how one is in practical way caring for others.

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« Reply #66 - on: 29.06.2016 at 12:38 [UT+1] »Quote from tckutlu on 28.06.2016 at 14:38 [UT+1]:
Quote from Catsratz on 28.06.2016 at 14:28 [UT+1]:
Though vegetarian myself (Taurus)...I must include a famous Arian vegetarian: Adolf Hitler.
He became vegetarian (don't know when) not for the animals' sake, but because he thought meat was poisonous to his
body.

His

D and E m in b sign and also A is in b sign. Maybe he became vegetarian for his body health.

I see you're correct; he does show as Taurus on Astrodienst's natal chart. Since his birthday is April 20, that's
puzzling because I always thought that the signs went into around the 24th of the month. Something new and confusing - I just learned
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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?
« Reply #67 - on: 29.06.2016 at 21:20 [UT+1] »Quote from Catsratz on 29.06.2016 at 12:38 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 28.06.2016 at 14:38 [UT+1]:
Quote from Catsratz on 28.06.2016 at 14:28 [UT+1]:
Though vegetarian myself (Taurus)...I must include a famous Arian vegetarian: Adolf Hitler.
He became vegetarian (don't know when) not for the animals' sake, but because he thought meat waspoisonous to his body.

His

D and E m in b sign and also A is in b sign. Maybe he became vegetarian for his body health.

I see you're correct; he does show as Taurus on Astrodienst's natal chart. Since his birthday is April 20, that's puzzling because I always
thought that the signs went into around the 24th of the month. Something new - and confusing - I just learned

The signs change in different days of the months:
Aries
21 March - 20 April
Taurus21 April - 20 May
Gemini
21 May - 21 June
Cancer22 June - 22 JulyLeo
23 July - 22 August
Virgo
23 August - 22 September
Libra
23 September - 23 October
Scorpio24 October - 22 November
Saggitarius
23 November - 21 December
Capricorn
22 December - 20 January
Aquarius
21 January - 18 February
Pisces
19 February - 20 March
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« Reply #68 - on: 29.06.2016 at 21:38 [UT+1] »Quote from Sol Flower on 28.06.2016 at 20:51 [UT+1]:
That's another good, yet disturbing example. Hitler was a vegetarian and so were many Nazis who believed vegetarianism as well as othervarious forms of abstentions were the key to a healthy and long life. A really good book on the subject that discusses this particular period
in history in-depth is 'The Bloodless Revolution: A Cultural History of Vegetarianism From 1600 to Modern Times" by Tristram Stuart
Quotes from the book:"Hitler himself believed that vegetarianism would help to purify his own 'bad blood'- an idea carrying implications for both physical healthand breeding (he may have feared that he had a Jewish ancestor)."
Stuart also states that Hitler believed vegetarianism was the "key to military success" and that "Caesar's soldiers had lived exclusively on
vegetables," he (Hitler) claimed.
It sounds like a form of Virgoan extremism. Mercury-ruled Virgo taken to the extreme could become myopic, purely mechanistic andunfeeling and taking purity to bizarre limits. But Hitler did not have any planets in Virgo, but a Mercury in Aries in the 6th House conjunctthe DSC and Sun. Also a prominent Saturn in Leo in the 10th House and a Leo MC, the ultimate regal authority. Hitler believed invegetarianism, so apparently that meant everyone around him should do the same.
Stuart also states, "Even Joseph Goebbels, in an entry in his diary, seems to have agreed that on the issue of vegetarianism, Hitler's'arguments cannot be refuted on any serious basis. They are totally unanswerable.'
Hitler's 0 Taurus Sun conjunct Mercury in Aries, 0 Gemini Neptune, no planets in water. No Neptune contacts to Mercury. The chart ruler is
Venus (Libra Rising, Libra the 'real perfectionist'? according to Liz Greene), and Venus is retrograde conjunct the god of war in Taurus. But
Uranus in the 12th House conjunct the Libra Ascendant opposing Mercury, takes on a major focus. Jupiter conjunct Moon in Capricorn in the
3rd House further accentuates the strict unfeeling theme in the chart. Just a few things that stand out to me. But it's ironic that thisextreme focus on health/purity produced the opposite - unhealthy corruption and extremism. There must be tons written on his
psychology, but I haven't read any of it.
tckutlu - Yes! Concerning my husband's Moon in the 6th House, he is health conscious, though fortunately for me he's not annoying about
it. But one weird trait of his that I've yet to understand even after living together for almost 15 years, is he is not finicky at all about
anything vegetarian. Dropped food on the floor? No problem, waste not want not. He also enjoys strange food combinations. For example,
I could spend hours making a tomato and pasta dish from scratch and he'll go and put a handful of walnuts on top. He also eats porridge
almost every day, but likes it almost solid. He'll put whatever's left in the refrigerator and then eat it cold the next day. I don't evenquestion it anymore. But it's actually a blessing living with someone who isn't finicky like me.

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Quote from Catsratz on 28.06.2016 at 14:28 [UT+1]:
Though vegetarian myself (Taurus)...I must include a famous Arian vegetarian: Adolf Hitler.
He became vegetarian (don't know when) not for the animals' sake, but because he thought meat waspoisonous to his body.

His

D and E m in b sign and also A is in b sign. Maybe he became vegetarian for his body health.

Hi and wellcome again.
Guess your husband is a slim person like you (my prediction is based on your avatar).
And as you said a lot of things can say about his chart.
Thanks for your information.
See you soon.
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« Reply #69 - on: 30.06.2016 at 13:42 [UT+1] »Quote from tckutlu on 29.06.2016 at 21:20 [UT+1]:
The signs change in different days of the months:
Aries
21 March - 20 April

Aries
21 March - 20 April
Thanks, tckutlu. Technically it would have make him Aries, born April 20, and it seems his birth somehow"crossed over" into Taurus - but I know little of astrology, therefore my mistake.
There's an interesting 12-page chart discussion of Hitler here in Astro-databank Discussions. I'm only on page
2 and as people sometimes don't use paragraphs, it makes for difficult reading. So I only scanned over the
thicker ones. I haven't seen anything about him being vegetarian yet, but a couple related things I foundinteresting related to his birth/natal chart from other posters:"The Sun is weak, only 48 minutes into Taurus."and"Hitler's chart is a classic example of a native who's Tropical chart makes no sense, while the Sidereal chart
does. A peace-loving Taurus with an exalted Venus and a fallen Mars wouldn't and couldn't have started a war,
although an Aries with a fallen Venus and an exalted Mars would have had no problem at all."http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1000003342
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Member« Reply #70 - on: 30.06.2016 at 16:07 [UT+1] »Ack! Hitler was not a vegetarian. It's a common myth, but a myth, nonetheless. So when considering charts,
don't include his. There are ample sources disproving Hitler's alleged vegetarianism, but here's just one:
http://www.vegsource.com/berry/hitler.html

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To add to the discussion, here's my chart. I went vegan when I was in my late 30s, entirely for compassionate,ethical reasons.

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« Reply #71 - on: 30.06.2016 at 16:55 [UT+1] »Quote from Citrus on 30.06.2016 at 16:07 [UT+1]:
Ack! Hitler was not a vegetarian. It's a common myth, but a myth, nonetheless. So when considering charts, don't include his. There areample sources disproving Hitler's alleged vegetarianism, but here's just one:
http://www.vegsource.com/berry/hitler.html
To add to the discussion, here's my chart. I went vegan when I was in my late 30s, entirely for compassionate, ethical reasons.

Hi Citrus.
Thanks for your correction. I'm not sure he was a vegetarian or not.
Anyway, i liken your chart a bit to Spinoza's chart.
In your chart B m O in d in the 4'th house may give you nurturing or protective tendencies.
E m NN in k in 11'th house. Guess your hopes, beliefs become important in your life. And maybe a tendency
to be rebellious.
Your A is in the 9'th house at i sign. So being vegetarian for ethical, philosophical reasons become
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« Reply #72 - on: 30.06.2016 at 17:00 [UT+1] »Quote from Catsratz on 30.06.2016 at 13:42 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 29.06.2016 at 21:20 [UT+1]:
The signs change in different days of the months:
Aries
21 March - 20 April

Aries
21 March - 20 April
Thanks, tckutlu. Technically it would have make him Aries, born April 20, and it seems his birth somehow "crossed over" into Taurus - but I
know little of astrology, therefore my mistake.
There's an interesting 12-page chart discussion of Hitler here in Astro-databank Discussions. I'm only on page 2 and as people sometimes
don't use paragraphs, it makes for difficult reading. So I only scanned over the thicker ones. I haven't seen anything about him being
vegetarian yet, but a couple related things I found interesting related to his birth/natal chart from other posters:"The Sun is weak, only 48 minutes into Taurus."and"Hitler's chart is a classic example of a native who's Tropical chart makes no sense, while the Sidereal chart does. A peace-loving Taurus
with an exalted Venus and a fallen Mars wouldn't and couldn't have started a war, although an Aries with a fallen Venus and an exalted
Mars would have had no problem at all."http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1000003342"Hitler's chart is a classic example of a native who's Tropical chart makes no sense, while the Sidereal chart
does.
Interesting.
Maybe an expert astrologer interpret his tropical chart.
I am not an expert.
In Hitler's chart D and E m in the 7'th house.
7'th house represents the partners, the others.
So we can say his partners have a bit E and D quality.
His D and E also o to the 10'th house G.
Guess G blocks to relax with partners.
Also G m to MC. Guess it represents his ego was disadvantaged. ( G is in 10'th house -> G may test his
reputation. G in e -> Maybe he is known as a selfish authority.)
His A n to the ASC.
Guess this aspect gave him a bit g personality.
Maybe represents he was involved too much in other's area. Represents a relationship oriented person.
But his relationships were a bit weird.
His O m with his ASC in g.
O is in the 12'th house.
12'th house g may represents secret relationships.
His C is in a sign n to the ASC and O.
Maybe this effect represents his harsh speech.
He was an orator.
His B and F m in j in the 3'rd house.
May be he used to speak harsh.
His NN is in d in the 9'th house.
d is about our home, roots, may be our country.
And i have learned d is patriotic.
So he became a nationalist...

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Member« Reply #73 - on: 30.06.2016 at 20:58 [UT+1] »Quote from tckutlu on 30.06.2016 at 16:55 [UT+1]:

Thanks for your correction. I'm not sure he was a vegetarian or not.

Posts: 119
Gender:When I first heard this, more than 20 years ago, I did extensive research. I had help from a research librarianat Cornell (I lived in Ithaca at the time). Nothing turned up to support the notion. As the web grew and things
became more and more available online, it's obvious that the claims of Hitler being vegetarian rely on circularreasoning, in that the conclusion is in the premise. Moreover, the "sources" rely on each other for (false)
evidence, rather than actual evidence.
Urban legends often start with something real, but which is false. For example, there's the goofy story about
Thomas Crapper inventing the toilet. It's now an urban legend that people believe. One can find citations
supporting this, but they cite each other. The truth is that it was a hilarious satire written by humorist Wallace
Reyburn, entitled Flushed With Pride. He also wrote another satirical book about Otto Titzling having invented
the brassiere, which also led to yet another urban legend. Same thing with the Hitler stuff...they just cite eachother without citing actual, genuine evidence. Hitler being vegetarian, Thomas Crapper inventing the flush
toilet, only using 10% of our brains.... All urban legend.
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Anyway, i liken your chart a bit to Spinoza's chart.

Ooh! Thanks for that! Now I'll have to reacquaint myself with him. (It's been a while since my college
philosophy classes.)
Quote:
Guess your hopes, beliefs become important in your life. And maybe a tendency to be rebellious.

Rebellious? Me? A Sag? Surely you jest!
Quote:Your

A is in the 9'th house at i sign. So being vegetarian for ethical, philosophical reasons become explainable.

Interesting. I never thought to look at vegheadism through astrology till I saw this topic. It'd be interesting
to see if anyone can find a genuinely common thread among vegetarians and/or vegans.
Thanks again for the interesting comparison and analysis!
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« Reply #74 - on: 30.06.2016 at 21:03 [UT+1] »Just a brief follow-up comment...
I should have mentioned that the author of the book The Bloodless Revolution: A Cultural History of
Vegetarianism from 1600 to Modern Times isn't some yahoo out to discredit the merits of vegetarianism. I
don't know Stuart personally, but he's an ecologist and runs environmental programs/charities combatting foodwaste. Stuart is also a Cambridge educated historian (not that that in itself should impress anyone) and thebook is a scholarly work that is thoroughly researched.
There are individuals who care for non-human animals, but not humans: it's called misanthropy. No doubt mostvegans are peace-loving and non-violent, but there are vegans who openly confess their hatred of humans, so I
do not believe veganism or vegetarianism can be used to claim moral superiority. The subject of animal rights is
yet another issue.
Worrying about associating Hitler with vegetarianism is kind of like saying well, Hitler was a Taurus Sun,
therefore all Taureans are evil. It's a trap that I try my best to avoid.
As tckutlu mentioned, it would be interesting to read a professional's interpretation of Hitler's chart. I'd be
curious to see if Liz Greene has done so in any of her writings.
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« Reply #75 - on: 01.07.2016 at 00:18 [UT+1] »Quote from Citrus on 30.06.2016 at 20:58 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 30.06.2016 at 16:55 [UT+1]:

Thanks for your correction. I'm not sure he was a vegetarian or not.

When I first heard this, more than 20 years ago, I did extensive research. I had help from a research librarian at Cornell (I lived in Ithaca
at the time). Nothing turned up to support the notion. As the web grew and things became more and more available online, it's obviousthat the claims of Hitler being vegetarian rely on circular reasoning, in that the conclusion is in the premise. Moreover, the "sources" relyon each other for (false) evidence, rather than actual evidence.
Urban legends often start with something real, but which is false. For example, there's the goofy story about Thomas Crapper inventing
the toilet. It's now an urban legend that people believe. One can find citations supporting this, but they cite each other. The truth is that it
was a hilarious satire written by humorist Wallace Reyburn, entitled Flushed With Pride. He also wrote another satirical book about Otto
Titzling having invented the brassiere, which also led to yet another urban legend. Same thing with the Hitler stuff...they just cite eachother without citing actual, genuine evidence. Hitler being vegetarian, Thomas Crapper inventing the flush toilet, only using 10% of ourbrains.... All urban legend.
Quote:
Anyway, i liken your chart a bit to Spinoza's chart.
Ooh! Thanks for that! Now I'll have to reacquaint myself with him. (It's been a while since my college philosophy classes.)
Quote:
Guess your hopes, beliefs become important in your life. And maybe a tendency to be rebellious.
Rebellious? Me? A Sag? Surely you jest!
Quote:Your

A is in the 9'th house at i sign. So being vegetarian for ethical, philosophical reasons become explainable.

Interesting. I never thought to look at vegheadism through astrology till I saw this topic. It'd be interesting to see if anyone can find a
genuinely common thread among vegetarians and/or vegans.
Thanks again for the interesting comparison and analysis!

Hi and wellcome again.
Thanks for your attention about Hitler's story.
I agree with what you meant about urban legends.
You remind us, we should be more carefully.
Thanks Citrus.
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« Reply #76 - on: 01.07.2016 at 01:06 [UT+1] »Quote from Sol Flower on 30.06.2016 at 21:03 [UT+1]:
Just a brief follow-up comment...
I should have mentioned that the author of the book The Bloodless Revolution: A Cultural History of Vegetarianism from 1600 to Modern
Times isn't some yahoo out to discredit the merits of vegetarianism. I don't know Stuart personally, but he's an ecologist and runs
environmental programs/charities combatting food waste. Stuart is also a Cambridge educated historian (not that that in itself should
impress anyone) and the book is a scholarly work that is thoroughly researched.
There are individuals who care for non-human animals, but not humans: it's called misanthropy. No doubt most vegans are peace-loving
and non-violent, but there are vegans who openly confess their hatred of humans, so I do not believe veganism or vegetarianism can beused to claim moral superiority. The subject of animal rights is yet another issue.
Worrying about associating Hitler with vegetarianism is kind of like saying well, Hitler was a Taurus Sun, therefore all Taureans are evil.
It's a trap that I try my best to avoid.
As tckutlu mentioned, it would be interesting to read a professional's interpretation of Hitler's chart. I'd be curious to see if Liz Greene hasdone so in any of her writings.

Hi again Sol Flower.
As i said to Citrus, i am not able to sure about Hitler's history.
Hitler was vegetarian and Hitler wasn't vegetarian suggestions are possibilities for me.
I haven't interested in Hitler's history before. I am sorry about my ignorance.
But also thankful to all.
I see on account of you, i know less about many things.
Citrus assert that Hitler wasn't vegetarian.
I asked myself what do you know about Hitler?
For me Citrus' message is a warning and recall.

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Member« Reply #77 - on: 01.07.2016 at 01:24 [UT+1] »I do not eat any animal products, however if I visit someone I will accept dairy in my tea, because I don't liketo make a fuss about it. I never buy it for myself at home and like Krista the thought of eating a carcass now
repulses me. I don't think meat and dairy are healthy, and I cannot bear to think of the suffering of theanimals.
I became vegan/vegetarian when Neptune squared my Sun for about 18 months.

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« Reply #78 - on: 01.07.2016 at 01:51 [UT+1] »Quote from Viviene on 01.07.2016 at 01:24 [UT+1]:
I do not eat any animal products, however if I visit someone I will accept dairy in my tea, because I don't like to make a fuss about it. I
never buy it for myself at home and like Krista the thought of eating a carcass now repulses me. I don't think meat and dairy are healthy,
and I cannot bear to think of the suffering of the animals.
I became vegan/vegetarian when Neptune squared my Sun for about 18 months.

Hi and wellcome Viviene.
Are you willing to share your chart?
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« Reply #79 - on: 01.07.2016 at 02:37 [UT+1] »I don't wish to provide my chart here, having trouble doing that lately, but I am a meat eater, and probably
always will be, as is my husband, we have no ethical qualms about it either. I'm AjBe d AC
My husband: AgBd with ASC h Y b \ d

Yk \aI also wear leather, preferring leather shoewear and purses to plastic or whatever they sell today.
I also agree with Sol Flower, that some of the kindest people who are lovers of all humanity, are and were alsomeat eaters not vegetarians.
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My 2 daughters both mostly eat vegtables now, one a AdBf who is always overly concerned with healthissues, and the other, a AjBb h ASC who did so at her boyfriend's urging. They are both animal lovers
too.
I "like" animals okay, in their place. But my preference is human beings when they behave themselves

Iknow people who treat their pets like human beings or better than most. But I won't eat in their kitchens either
anymoreI know the cats were there, everyplace, doing whatever. Same with dogs.
I always felt Jesus knew best, so I usually looked to him for right conduct:◄ Matthew 15:11 ►Parallel Verses
New International Version"What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what
defiles them."
New Living Translation"It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of yourmouth."

I agree with this one in particular

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Member« Reply #80 - on: 01.07.2016 at 10:24 [UT+1] »Hi tckutlu, Sure I am happy to share my chart. I will post one with the traditional aspects using astrodienst,
and another showing all my septiles. I have a ton of them! Divisions by 7, including biseptiles, triseptiles andsemi septiles. I am also a number 7 lifepath, so 7 is big for me. Quote from tckutlu on 01.07.2016 at
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Quote from Viviene on 01.07.2016 at 01:24 [UT+1]:
I do not eat any animal products, however if I visit someone I will accept dairy in my tea, because I don't like to make afuss about it. I never buy it for myself at home and like Krista the thought of eating a carcass now repulses me. I don't
think meat and dairy are healthy, and I cannot bear to think of the suffering of the animals.
I became vegan/vegetarian when Neptune squared my Sun for about 18 months.

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Gender:Hi and wellcome Viviene.
Are you willing to share your chart?

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« Reply #82 - on: 01.07.2016 at 12:19 [UT+1] »Quote from Debra M. on 01.07.2016 at 02:37 [UT+1]:
I don't wish to provide my chart here, having trouble doing that lately, but I am a meat eater, and probably always will be, as is myhusband, we have no ethical qualms about it either. I'm
My husband:

AjBe d AC Yk \a

AgBd with ASC h Y b \ d

I also wear leather, preferring leather shoewear and purses to plastic or whatever they sell today.
I also agree with Sol Flower, that some of the kindest people who are lovers of all humanity, are and were also meat eaters notvegetarians.

AdBf who is always overly concerned with health issues, and the other, a
AjBb h ASC who did so at her boyfriend's urging. They are both animal lovers too.
My 2 daughters both mostly eat vegtables now, one a

I "like" animals okay, in their place. But my preference is human beings when they behave themselves
pets like human beings or better than most. But I won't eat in their kitchens either anymore

I know people who treat their

I know the cats were there, everyplace,doing whatever. Same with dogs.
I always felt Jesus knew best, so I usually looked to him for right conduct:◄ Matthew 15:11 ►Parallel Verses
New International Version"What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."
New Living Translation"It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of your mouth."I agree with this one in particular

Wellcome Debra M.
Thanks for your attention to this subject.
I don't wish to provide my chart here, having trouble doing that lately
Ok. it's not problem anymore.
I also agree with Sol Flower, that some of the kindest people who are lovers of all humanity, are and were alsomeat eaters not vegetarians.
I agree with what she said too...
"It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you; you are defiled by the words that come out of yourmouth."
Guess, i know what you meant.
Thank you again Debra M.
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« Reply #83 - on: 01.07.2016 at 13:14 [UT+1] »Quote from Viviene on 01.07.2016 at 11:00 [UT+1]:
Here is my chart with only traditional aspects

Thank you Viviene.
Your chart reminds me Peggy Libton's chart.
Your B and J n to your k ASC.
Guess this aspect represents others emotions have a transformative effect upon you. Also your emotions may
impressed due to your enviroment.
Your B and J q to your I.
Guess this aspect may give you a compassionate nature.
I is in 9'th house in g sign. Maybe mutual concepts is not far from you.
Your d O and F m in 6'th house.
Maybe this aspect represents being careful at health issues. Also i guess you have nurturing, protecting caring
tendencies to service others who are not lucky, environments which need your caring potentials.

I o to the O and F.
I think this aspect gives a dissapointment by others' lack of care about their environment or by your own overcare to the environment.
Your i NN is in 11'th house.
Guess this aspect may represent that the ideas and hopes about sharing the world equally may become
important to you.
Your C and E q to the B and J and also p to the I. Your E is in d sign.
So you may use your mind and energy for your loved ones.
Your A p to your N. Guess this aspect gives a tendency to help unlucky people or animals. I think N in k
may give an effect of wounded by social contacts. Or you may help in social circles.

b D o to k N. And also n to the G.
I think it may represent sometimes you want to talk about how should we use and reproduct our common
resources. But sometimes you may see others are not interested in.
I guess B is strong in your chart. And also you may have some f and k quality.
Thanks for sharing your chart.
See you later Viviene.

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Member« Reply #84 - on: 01.07.2016 at 13:39 [UT+1] »Yes, my moon is very powerfully placed and Neptune is my most heavily aspected planet. You are right in what
you say. The Sun trine Chiron in Aquarius makes me somewhat of an outsider, and I do not feel comfortable
telling many people a great deal about me. I have only a few close friends and it is best that way. Jupiter inthe 6th possibly gives me a love of animals, especially since it is in cancer. I cannot ever imagine eating theflesh of other creatures again, now I have lived like this for some years. Cheers and thank you

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« Reply #85 - on: 01.07.2016 at 13:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Citrus on 30.06.2016 at 16:07 [UT+1]:
Hitler was not a vegetarian. It's a common myth, but a myth, nonetheless.

So, I learned something else new today. Great article, I'm going to print it out and read it in depth.
It always did seem odd that a guy like Hitler was vegetarian. He did love animals, though. According to one
source I read he cried in the Fuhrerbunker in the last days because his Alsatian, Blondi, had just had pups andnow they were going to die. After so many millions of humans, including those of his adopted country,
Germany (Hitler was born an Austrian).
Hitler: Horrible but endlessly fascinating.
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« Reply #86 - on: 01.07.2016 at 23:45 [UT+1] »Can we tell from a chart if someone is religious?
And if that could be possible: Hindu? Jewish? Muslim? Christian? Buddist? Etc.
Speaks a chart about a frequent prayer? Only in times of need?
Can we say from a chart if someone is gay? Or male? Female? Busdriver? Broccoli-lover? Black? White? Mixed ?
Wine or beer drinker? Pepsi fan or Coke lover? Cheese lover or hater?
Can we tell from a chart if this is about the birth of a human being or the demolition of an old building or thebirth of a kitten?
No!
We CANNOT see these kind of things in a chart!
Does anyone think it is possible?
Re the subject of this topic:
Awareness matters.
It starts somewhere.
Followed/embraced by a group.
Spiralling to global awarenessAnd then individual acceptance/refusal starts
Dependinf on your personal situation/ people who influence you.
Etc.

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Ex Member« Reply #87 - on: 02.07.2016 at 00:17 [UT+1] »Quote from Delphi on 01.07.2016 at 23:45 [UT+1]:
Awareness matters.
It starts somewhere.
Followed/embraced by a group.
Spiralling to global awarenessAnd then individual acceptance/refusal starts
But...it cannot be seen in a chart.
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I fully agree.
At most charts deal with probabilities.

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somethoughts
Ex Member« Reply #88 - on: 02.07.2016 at 00:23 [UT+1] »[Awareness of that what snip snap is?)It starts from the self. All behaviour that is outstanding, can thus be seen in the chart. Also some restrictions of
the self. But who knows what has been worked upon? That is the story of the persons image (bare arm avatar)
As is the nature of a person to be somewhat self restricting and may fall into self deceptive traps.
Psycholohgocal astrology deals with such.
Neptune is the rooth as it is seen also for the lower reaction of that of arts.
As we have seen Hitler in historical times, loose the hands of reality.
Historical wings flapping in the sky.
I just saw a video:
http://www.history.com/news/holocaust-escape-tunnel-discovered-in-lithuania
just hands in work.
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but I cannot give any wings. There is no to this tale.

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« Reply #89 - on: 02.07.2016 at 00:45 [UT+1] »Quote from somethoughts on 02.07.2016 at 00:23 [UT+1]:
Historical wings flapping in the sky.
I just saw a video:
http://www.history.com/news/holocaust-escape-tunnel-discovered-in-lithuania
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Maybe this "I just saw a video" kind of Snip and Snap kind of revue Synchronicity convinces you, but not me.
How to convince others with your "some thoughts" based on some speculative knowledge or some feeling for
Who Is behind the phenomenon of synchronicity ???
Synchronicity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity Quote:
Synchronicity is a concept, first explained by psychiatrist Carl Jung, which holds that events are "meaningful coincidences" if they occur
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« Reply #90 - on: 02.07.2016 at 01:12 [UT+1] »As to what is on" the table", litterary.
Seen here.
And they used spoons to dig and hands.
1.......6and stalk/snip snap the hour properly
reply ended:
Dependinf on your personal situation/ people who influence you. Not just that spiral.

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« Reply #91 - on: 02.07.2016 at 03:47 [UT+1] »Quote from Delphi on 01.07.2016 at 23:45 [UT+1]:
Can we tell from a chart if someone is religious?
And if that could be possible: Hindu? Jewish? Muslim? Christian? Buddist? Etc.
Speaks a chart about a frequent prayer? Only in times of need?
Can we say from a chart if someone is gay? Or male? Female? Busdriver? Broccoli-lover? Black? White? Mixed ? Wine or beer drinker?
Pepsi fan or Coke lover? Cheese lover or hater?
Can we tell from a chart if this is about the birth of a human being or the demolition of an old building or the birth of a kitten?
No!
We CANNOT see these kind of things in a chart!
Does anyone think it is possible?
Re the subject of this topic:
Awareness matters.
It starts somewhere.
Followed/embraced by a group.
Spiralling to global awarenessAnd then individual acceptance/refusal starts
Dependinf on your personal situation/ people who influence you.
Etc.

Hi again Delphi.
You said;
Can we tell from a chart if someone is religious?
And if that could be possible: Hindu? Jewish? Muslim? Christian? Buddist? Etc.
Speaks a chart about a frequent prayer? Only in times of need?
Guess i understand what you meant. For me you are right to ask about what can we see in the charts.
For example A is a scientist. I guess some people who are interested in astrology can see some aspects thatconnect to A's scientific abilities. Astrology may works at this level for pre-intermediates or intemediates.
Let's just pass through details.
A is a theoric physician. A specialized astrologer still may say his branch.
A study in spesific topic.
You said We CANNOT see these kind of things in a chart!.
I agree with what you said.
So for you vegetarianism is just a spesific topic that can't be predicted. I think you may be right. Because firstly
the authors was saying that they are vegetarian. Or i just study on charts which have been known belong tovegetarians. I think the process reversely, someone may prefer yo hide something else from us and then show
his/her chart to us then want to see the the predictions.

Thanks for your critique. See you later Delphi.
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« Reply #92 - on: 02.07.2016 at 14:38 [UT+1] »in my opinion discovery of Sedna (mythology wise - she denies food for the tribe if people don't treat animalswell) is involved in the current mass movement. Neptune would be responsible in smaller scale. Ceres
placement (by element) would indicate what kind of food will serve an individual best (and generally - ratio of
elements in the chart)
Quote from Delphi on 01.07.2016 at 23:45 [UT+1]:
Re the subject of this topic:

Awareness matters.
It starts somewhere.
Followed/embraced by a group.
Spiralling to global awarenessAnd then individual acceptance/refusal starts
Dependinf on your personal situation/ people who influence you.
Etc.

that's a very interesting opinion.
awareness of what ? (if I may ask)
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« Reply #93 - on: 02.07.2016 at 15:09 [UT+1] »What I meant was awareness in relation to the subject of this topic . This topic is called "Any sign of being avegetarian/vegan?"
Vegetarianism and a vegan lifestyle are becoming more and more popular. It is hip.
Twenty years ago almost everyone ate meat. Nowadays that is definately not the case anymore.
Awareness. Either for the sake of our personal health, the environment, the suffering of the animals.
Without awareness nothing changes.
More and more people are aware of the huge impact that the production of meat has on our environment, how
we have maltreated animals for decades only to produce more and cheaper meat.
That is the 'awareness' I meant.
"Cowspiracy" is a very interesting and eyeopening documentary.
If anyone is interested, I think you can still find it on YouTube.

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« Reply #94 - on: 02.07.2016 at 16:20 [UT+1] »Quote from Delphi on 02.07.2016 at 15:09 [UT+1]:
More and more people are aware of the huge impact that the production of meat has on our environment, how we have maltreatedanimals for decades only to produce more and cheaper meat.
That is the 'awareness' I meant.

so you are talking about awareness of industrial farming (which is of course part of the topic). that is why I
mentioned Sedna ( and I, because the whole hype started when first Jh generation had their JmI and

IpJ, not to mention whole set of I transits to personals which try to persuade an individual that killing
plants is not killing ).
thanks for clarifying.
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« Reply #95 - on: 02.07.2016 at 17:55 [UT+1] »No. I was not only talking about awareness of industrial farming. Etc. Etc. Etc.
I shared my point of view.
Thank you for not focussing on me.
I was only adding my contribution in this thread.

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« Reply #96 - on: 02.07.2016 at 19:36 [UT+1] »I just wanted to point out how ignorantly the whole topic is being aproached. caring, loving and treating well
animals doesn't necessarily mean not eating animal food (eg. farms where plant food is a staple but animals are
killed approximately 3-4 times a year and more than less often are treated equally if not better than humans).
being vegan doesn't mean not eating corpses and killing living beings (even though people like to delude
themselves in this particular manner) and last (but not least) plant food can be extremaly unhealthy if preparedin a bad manner (not even mentioning the way it was grown). speaking of awarness - after being vegan, there
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« Reply #97 - on: 04.07.2016 at 22:18 [UT+1] »Quote from ganglion on 25.06.2016 at 23:33 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 13.06.2016 at 00:26 [UT+1]:
Hi all.
Is there any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan in astrology?
Thank you.
As you ask this question on the Astrodienst forum, I would suggest you to study
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Traits_:_Body_:_Diet_unusual
or just do a direct search like:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/sub.cgi?lang=g&sumode=gresult&gquery=vegetarian
I will tell you more about it later (speculation can be done fast, but doing statistics on it takes more time)

Here are some results: statistics on some 85 vegetarians (against a control group).
Sun in virgo scores highest with 10 against 6.7 expected (50% more often), sun in aries low with 4 against 7.6
expected (50% less often)
From the statistical point of view, rows ending on an asterisk (*) are significant. In the signs we see them withthe four slow planets sat, ura, nep and pluto. This will mostly reflect Zeitgeist and the distribution in time of of
the astrodienst database. Social factors, think of country of origin, not reflected in the chart, will also have agreat impact.
The Sag ASC scores high (14 against 8.2 expected).
The house position of Venus yielded significant results. Venus in II scores (17 against 6,7 expected) high, andVenus in V (1 against 5,9 expected) scores low (i.e. seems to love meat). The closely associated Sun and Merc
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« Reply #98 - on: 04.07.2016 at 22:43 [UT+1] »It seem like sallad is allowed now and then. Happy there is nothing about such as ice-cream.
Thanks for the efforts of the table.

(Besides, there are religions with vegetarian food on each families table since generations. As to that is notdictated by own personal choices. Just a thought to what would be "modern" and chic for many today, has beenreality through belief systems narrated down for generations).
I have seen food issues/thoughts rise in teenagers and next step is when they start studies in f.ex universities. I
guess that also the company and their together created "lore" outside the respective family, may also havesome impact in the choice of the foodbought/ intake. Also that of fair trade/ biodynamics/ "free living"- natural
farming f.ex hen eggs arises during youngsters developmental years. Just my observations.
An urban dream of the natural order?
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« Reply #99 - on: 05.07.2016 at 00:27 [UT+1] »Quote from somethoughts on 04.07.2016 at 22:43 [UT+1]:
It seem like sallad is allowed now and then. Happy there is nothing about such as ice-cream.

I bought an ice-cream today for my demented 11 April mother. It realised it could be our last encounter.
Quote:
Thanks for the efforts of the table.

Are you going to study them?
Quote:(Besides, there are religions with vegetarian food on each families table since generations. As to that is not dictated by own personal
choices. Just a thought to what would be "modern" and chic for many today, has been reality through belief systems narrated down forgenerations).

A vegetarian, me inspiring Sufi teacher, Hazrat Inayat Khan popped up today, during the Ramadan.
www.astro.com/astro-databank/Khan%2C_Inayat
Quote:
East Indian musician and poet, one of the spiritual giants of the twentieth Century and Muslim founder of the Sufi Order of the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramadan
Quote:
Ramadan (/ˌræməˈdɑːn/; Arabic: ‫رمضان‬‎‎ Ramaḍ ān, IPA: [ramaˈdˤaːn];[note 1] also romanized as Ramazan, Ramadhan, or Ramathan) is theninth month of the Islamic calendar,[2] and is observed by Muslims worldwide as a month of fasting to commemorate the first revelationof the Quran to Muhammad according to Islamic belief.[3][4] This annual observance is regarded as one of the Five Pillars of Islam.[5]The month lasts 29–30 days based on the visual sightings of the crescent moon, according to numerous biographical accounts compiled in
the hadiths.[6][7]Is this not astrology and numerology at the same time? Universal?
Björk interviews Arvo Pärt (from a killed thread)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2xa7ss
Maybe you are searching among the branches, for what only appears in the roots. Rumi.
Burning a candle for all religions (spiritual seekers) in the world as the Sufi's like him did.
http://www.google.nl/search?q=Sufi+Burning+a+candle+for+all+religions+(spiritual+seekers)+in+the+world
http://sologak1.blogspot.nl/2009/02/100-selected-rumi-poemsenglish.html

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« Reply #100 - on: 05.07.2016 at 00:41 [UT+1] »What to say to "universal". Maybe, maybe personal.
you posted one of my favorite quotes from Rumi. It could be wished to be for everyone. As one of visions
offered by the highest order.
By time, maybe.

Sad to hear about your mother.
But here, if she was delighted by that you gave her:If the ice cream is your favorite flavor – say, chocolate – and you consume it with a full measure of delight, thehypothalamus will modulate this positive input by sending activation signals via parasympathetic nerve fibers to
the salivary glands, esophagus, stomach, intestines, pancreas, liver, and gallbladder.
http://psychologyofeating.com/mind-over-food/
The article is generally good for thoughts related to food. And also shows some of the indicators to that ofemotionalism connection to food. And funnily both traditions and food is by this coupled to d.
Taurus/Cancer activation.

One more of my favorite Rumi poems is that of not to "sleep".
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« Reply #101 - on: 05.07.2016 at 00:44 [UT+1] »Quote from ganglion on 04.07.2016 at 22:18 [UT+1]:
Quote from ganglion on 25.06.2016 at 23:33 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 13.06.2016 at 00:26 [UT+1]:
Hi all.
Is there any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan in astrology?
Thank you.
As you ask this question on the Astrodienst forum, I would suggest you to study
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Traits_:_Body_:_Diet_unusual
or just do a direct search like:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/sub.cgi?lang=g&sumode=gresult&gquery=vegetarian
I will tell you more about it later (speculation can be done fast, but doing statistics on it takes more time)

Here are some results: statistics on some 85 vegetarians (against a control group).
Sun in virgo scores highest with 10 against 6.7 expected (50% more often), sun in aries low with 4 against 7.6 expected (50% less often)
From the statistical point of view, rows ending on an asterisk (*) are significant. In the signs we see them with the four slow planets sat,ura, nep and pluto. This will mostly reflect Zeitgeist and the distribution in time of of the astrodienst database. Social factors, think ofcountry of origin, not reflected in the chart, will also have a great impact.
The Sag ASC scores high (14 against 8.2 expected).
The house position of Venus yielded significant results. Venus in II scores (17 against 6,7 expected) high, and Venus in V (1 against 5,9expected) scores low (i.e. seems to love meat). The closely associated Sun and Merc in the houses follow this tendency.

Wellcome again ganglion.
I am very thankful to you.
But i have to tell you that i can’t understand where the fractional numbers came from.
For example;
SUN SIGN POSITION
Ari
Tau
Gem
4
7.6

6

6
7.1

5
7.2

Vir

Lib

6
10
8
8
7.3
7.1
6.7

Can

Leo

6
7.1

Sco
11
6.5

Sag

Cap

10
5
85
6.3
7.3

Aqu
7.1

Pis
7.1

Total
85

Please correct me if i’m wrong. The numbers which seen at the top describe the number of vegetarian people
according to sun sign position. But i can’t understand the fractional numbers, whats ratio are them?
And i can’t understand also what chi² and d.f. are.
Thanks for your study.
See you later.
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« Reply #102 - on: 05.07.2016 at 00:52 [UT+1] »Don´t forget d in your studies. Just as one more tips.
And Venus as the ruler of aesthetics and love for food and the one preparating that.
Eye delights, as that food also ought to be.
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« Reply #103 - on: 05.07.2016 at 21:08 [UT+1] »Code:
SUN SIGN POSITION
Ari
Tau
Gem

Can

Leo

Vir

Lib

Sco

Sag

Cap

Aqu

Pis

Total

4
7.6

5
7.3

6
7.1

10
6.7

8
7.1

8
6.5

6
6.3

11
7.3

10
7.1

5
7.1

85
85

6
7.1

6
7.2

In the 85 cases of vegetarians, we found 4 times Sun in Aries, 6 times Sun in Taurus etc,.
The value below is the expected value, based on the distribution sun signs in a large control group.
So 7.6 for Aries is 85 * (amount of sun in Aries in control group) / (control group size)
In his particular case we can say that having Sun in Aries gives is not predictive of being a vegetarian (4 foundagainst 7.6 expected).
Quote from tckutlu on 05.07.2016 at 00:44 [UT+1]:
Please correct me if i’m wrong. The numbers which seen at the top describe the number of vegetarian people according to sun sign
position. But i can’t understand the fractional numbers, whats ratio are them?
And i can’t understand also what chi² and d.f. are.
Thanks for your study.
See you later.

The numbers above are just reflecting to the numbers of found cases (being a vegetarian) in my astrological
database.
Now the expected value for SUN SIGN is just the value that would be found/predicted if we had a LARGESAMPLE AND the astrological factor Sun Sign did not matter.
Suppose you throw six times a dice and get BY CHANCE the series 2, 3, 3, 5, 5 and 1.
Code:
1 2 3 4 5 6 value of throwing a dice0 1 2 0 2 1 found value
1 1 1 1 1 1 expected value

One cannot infer from that that the risk of throwing a 1 or 4 is zero, as the sample (number of trials) is small.
But this would be weird outcome (throwing dice 60 times).
Code:
01 02 03 04 05 06 value of throwing a dice00 10 20 00 20 10 found value
10 10 10 10 10 10 expected value

Statistics can be used to determine if an unexpected outcome is probably just a by chance finding or hinting toother factors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi-squared_test
d.f means degrees of freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_of_freedom_(statistics)
Quote:In statistics, the number of degrees of freedom is the number of values in the final calculation of a statistic that are free to vary.[1]it is 6-1= 5 for the dice example and 12-1 = 11 for astrological houses, signs..
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« Reply #104 - on: 06.07.2016 at 01:31 [UT+1] »Quote from Sol Flower on 30.06.2016 at 21:03 [UT+1]:
Just a brief follow-up comment...
I should have mentioned that the author of the book The Bloodless Revolution: A Cultural History of Vegetarianism from 1600 to Modern
Times isn't some yahoo out to discredit the merits of vegetarianism. I don't know Stuart personally, but he's an ecologist and runs
environmental programs/charities combatting food waste. Stuart is also a Cambridge educated historian (not that that in itself should
impress anyone) and the book is a scholarly work that is thoroughly researched.

There are individuals who care for non-human animals, but not humans: it's called misanthropy.
No doubt most vegans are peace-loving and non-violent, but there are vegans who openly
confess their hatred of humans, so I do not believe veganism or vegetarianism can be used toclaim moral superiority. The subject of animal rights is yet another issue.
Worrying about associating Hitler with vegetarianism is kind of like saying well, Hitler was a Taurus Sun, therefore all Taureans are evil.
It's a trap that I try my best to avoid.
As tckutlu mentioned, it would be interesting to read a professional's interpretation of Hitler's chart. I'd be curious to see if Liz Greene hasdone so in any of her writings.

Absolutely know (bolded part of your text) this to be the case Sol Flower!
The lifelong vegan friend i mentioned earlier in the thread is the BIGGEST misanthropist i'll ever know, i'msure!
His AC is Scorpio with O m exact - also with Bm his DC exact!
I've been his closest friend for all his life but we would never ever consider being 'affectionate' - not even a hug.
He truly despises people. He just 'tolerates' us all LOL!
Ironically he does believe he is morally superior due to his life/diet choices....yet i agree with you, the distinct
lack of compassion for ones fellow man can never ever make that person superior of their own kind, despite
their compassion for everything else that lives!
My friend is an extreme example but i have experienced the 'angst' i guess i could call it, about being superior
due to diet choices, that has come more from meat-eaters in regard to my non-meat diet than from myself.
Many meat eaters 'assume' all non-meat eaters feel superior due to their diet choice....but it's not the case forme at least.
I feel a 'lack' if anything, afterall i have less choices for nutrition than meat eaters...and that is a hard road totake to try to get the plethora of amino acids required , certainly if one has an active lifestyle.
I wished i enjoyed the taste of flesh but i'm truly repulsed by the taste and most of all the texture trying tochew and swallow...i can't think about it, it grosses me out that much! No amount of spicy sauce can disguisethe awful experience i personally have trying to consume it. It was like that since being a very young child.
Virgo AC....it's a pain in the beee-hind i tell thee!
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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?
« Reply #105 - on: 06.07.2016 at 15:35 [UT+1] »Quote from ganglion on 05.07.2016 at 21:08 [UT+1]:
Code:

SUN SIGN POSITION
Ari
Tau
Gem
Pis
Total

Can

Leo

Vir

Lib

Sco

Sag

Cap

Aqu

4
85
7.6

6

6

5

6

10

8

8

6

11

10

7.1

7.2

7.3

7.1

6.7

7.1

6.5

6.3

7.3

7.1

7.1

85

5

In the 85 cases of vegetarians, we found 4 times Sun in Aries, 6 times Sun in Taurus etc,.
The value below is the expected value, based on the distribution sun signs in a large control group.
So 7.6 for Aries is 85 * (amount of sun in Aries in control group) / (control group size)
In his particular case we can say that having Sun in Aries gives is not predictive of being a vegetarian (4 found against 7.6 expected).
Quote from tckutlu on 05.07.2016 at 00:44 [UT+1]:
Please correct me if i’m wrong. The numbers which seen at the top describe the number of vegetarian people according tosun sign position. But i can’t understand the fractional numbers, whats ratio are them?
And i can’t understand also what chi² and d.f. are.
Thanks for your study.
See you later.
The numbers above are just reflecting to the numbers of found cases (being a vegetarian) in my astrological database.
Now the expected value for SUN SIGN is just the value that would be found/predicted if we had a LARGE SAMPLE AND the astrologicalfactor Sun Sign did not matter.
Suppose you throw six times a dice and get BY CHANCE the series 2, 3, 3, 5, 5 and 1.
Code:

1 2 3 4 5 6 value of throwing a dice0 1 2 0 2 1 found value
1 1 1 1 1 1 expected value

One cannot infer from that that the risk of throwing a 1 or 4 is zero, as the sample (number of trials) is small.
But this would be weird outcome (throwing dice 60 times).
Code:

01 02 03 04 05 06 value of throwing a dice00 10 20 00 20 10 found value
10 10 10 10 10 10 expected value

Statistics can be used to determine if an unexpected outcome is probably just a by chance finding or hinting to other factors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi-squared_test
d.f means degrees of freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_of_freedom_(statistics)
Quote:In statistics, the number of degrees of freedom is the number of values in the final calculation of a statistic that are free
to vary.[1]it is 6-1= 5 for the dice example and 12-1 = 11 for astrological houses, signs..

Hi and wellcome again teacher.
You helped me a lot.
I am very thankful to you.
But forgive me please, i need more help.
I have been learning chi-square method during last night by your encouraging.
So i can understand this method to some extend.
I want you to see the tables which was creating according to your results.
Guess you'll see where my false is.
(Sorry for small size of the images.)
Expect Rate = (Total of a single category) * (Total of vegetarian people) / (Total of categories of vegetarianpeople)Example: Total of Aries category is 170, Total of vegetarian people is 85, Total of categories of vegetarianpeople is 2125
Expect rate of Aries is = 170 * 85 / 2125 = 6,8
Expect Frequency = (Observed - Expected)² / (Expected)
Example: Expect frequency of Sun in Aries cell is = (4 - 6,8)² / 6,8 = 1,153
chi² of Aries category is = 45
Expected of a single cell is = (Observed) * (Total of vegetarian people) / (chi² of Aries category)
Example: Expected of Sun in Aries cell is = 4 * 85 / 45 = 7,556
So expected of Sun in Taurus is = 6 * 85 / 20,78 = 24,54 (?)
Question: I guess i made a mistake in somewhere. 24,54 value is too large for your result 7,1. But i haven't
found where was my mistake yet. How can we calculate the expected of other categories? I thought that i justused the formules wrongly in somewhere.

I need to study more on chi-square method. I wish i will learn this method finally.
I have to go now.
See you later ganglion.

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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?
« Reply #106 - on: 06.07.2016 at 20:56 [UT+1] »Quote from ganglion on 05.07.2016 at 21:08 [UT+1]:
So 7.6 for Aries is 85 * (amount of sun in Aries in control group) / (control group size)
In his particular case we can say that having Sun in Aries gives is not predictive of being a vegetarian (4 found against 7.6 expected).

Amount of sun in Aries in control group is 4
Amount of vegetarian is 85
The expected value of Sun in Aries is 7.6
I want to calculate the control group size (x1)=(4*85)/7.6 -> x1=44,73
I wonder what is the control group size.
The value which you found 44,73 is near to result which i found 45. But i'm not sure we have a common
meaning of control group size concept. Is this value come from the amount of Aries column?
If so, let's pass to the amount of sun in Taurus in control group.
The expected value is 7.1
The control group size (x2)=(6*85)/7.1=71,83
But this value is so far from the value which i found 20,78.
So i think the method which i used is not correct.
After all i think i skipped a step in the procedure.
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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?
« Reply #107 - on: 06.07.2016 at 22:50 [UT+1] »Quote from tckutlu on 06.07.2016 at 15:35 [UT+1]:
I want you to see the tables which was creating according to your results.
Guess you'll see where my false is.
(Sorry for small size of the images.)
http://i.hizliresim.com/5V323d.jpg
Expect Rate = (Total of a single category) * (Total of vegetarian people) / (Total of categories of vegetarian people)
Example: Total of Aries category is 170, Total of vegetarian people is 85, Total of categories of vegetarian people is 2125
Expect rate of Aries is = 170 * 85 / 2125 = 6,8

It would be better to start with much simpler examples.
You say: Aries category is 170. But what sums as 170 in your example is the sum of Anything in Aries(planets, house ect).
But notice that "Anything in aries" is not a distinctive category. At least not mathematically.
The control group I used is mentioned in the pdf:
Quote:
Reference database for statistics: asc-large
n=24612

Most spreadsheets contain Chi square tests.
http://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Statistical_Functions_Part_One#CHISQ.TEST
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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?

Ex Member« Reply #108 - on: 06.07.2016 at 23:16 [UT+1] »Thank you for sharing that, KarmenBeSirius. Your friend is lucky to have you!
Quote from KarmenBeSirius on 06.07.2016 at 01:31 [UT+1]:

Absolutely know (bolded part of your text) this to be the case Sol Flower!
The lifelong vegan friend i mentioned earlier in the thread is the BIGGEST misanthropist i'll ever know, i'm sure!
His AC is Scorpio withO m exact - also with Bm his DC exact!

I've been his closest friend for all his life but we would never ever consider being 'affectionate' - not even a hug. He truly despises people.
He just 'tolerates' us all LOL!
Ironically he does believe he is morally superior due to his life/diet choices....yet i agree with you, the distinct lack of compassion for ones
fellow man can never ever make that person superior of their own kind, despite their compassion for everything else that lives!
My friend is an extreme example but i have experienced the 'angst' i guess i could call it, about being superior due to diet choices, thathas come more from meat-eaters in regard to my non-meat diet than from myself. Many meat eaters 'assume' all non-meat eaters feelsuperior due to their diet choice....but it's not the case for me at least.
I feel a 'lack' if anything, afterall i have less choices for nutrition than meat eaters...and that is a hard road to take to try to get theplethora of amino acids required , certainly if one has an active lifestyle.
I wished i enjoyed the taste of flesh but i'm truly repulsed by the taste and most of all the texture trying to chew and swallow...i can't
think about it, it grosses me out that much! No amount of spicy sauce can disguise the awful experience i personally have trying toconsume it. It was like that since being a very young child.
Virgo AC....it's a pain in the beee-hind i tell thee!

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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?
« Reply #109 - on: 06.07.2016 at 23:32 [UT+1] »Quote from ganglion on 06.07.2016 at 22:50 [UT+1]:
Quote from tckutlu on 06.07.2016 at 15:35 [UT+1]:
I want you to see the tables which was creating according to your results.
Guess you'll see where my false is.
(Sorry for small size of the images.)
http://i.hizliresim.com/5V323d.jpg
Expect Rate = (Total of a single category) * (Total of vegetarian people) / (Total of categories of vegetarianpeople)Example: Total of Aries category is 170, Total of vegetarian people is 85, Total of categories of vegetarianpeople is 2125
Expect rate of Aries is = 170 * 85 / 2125 = 6,8

It would be better to start with much simpler examples.
You say: Aries category is 170. But what sums as 170 in your example is the sum of Anything in Aries (planets, house ect).
But notice that "Anything in aries" is not a distinctive category. At least not mathematically.
The control group I used is mentioned in the pdf:
Quote:
Reference database for statistics: asc-large
n=24612

Most spreadsheets contain Chi square tests.
http://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Statistical_Functions_Part_One#CHISQ.TEST

Hi and wellcome again ganglion.
I will investigate the link you sent. As you know i'm a beginner in this field. I saw at most 3*4 size cells in such
documents. And there is different calculations according to row-column varieties... It takes time to learn how toanalyse situations. You are right what you said about distinctive category. Signs is a category of contains housein signs category and planet in signs category and/or any determined category of signs.
Thank you again.
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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?

Ex Member« Reply #110 - on: 07.07.2016 at 00:14 [UT+1] »Quote from somethoughts on 05.07.2016 at 00:41 [UT+1]:
What to say to "universal". Maybe, maybe personal.
you posted one of my favorite quotes from Rumi. It could be wished to be for everyone. As one of visions offered by the highest order.
By time, maybe.

Sad to hear about your mother.
But here, if she was delighted by that you gave her:If the ice cream is your favorite flavor – say, chocolate – and you consume it with a full measure of delight, the hypothalamus will
modulate this positive input by sending activation signals via parasympathetic nerve fibers to the salivary glands, esophagus, stomach,intestines, pancreas, liver, and gallbladder.
http://psychologyofeating.com/mind-over-food/
The article is generally good for thoughts related to food. And also shows some of the indicators to that of emotionalism connection to
food. And funnily both traditions and food is by this coupled tod.

Taurus/Cancer activation.

One more of my favorite Rumi poems is that of not to "sleep".

Your 100th post
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1465773970/100#100
Night and Sleep by Rumi
http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/257463-night-and-sleep
Quote:
Night and Sleep Quotes (showing 1-5 of 5)“An eye is meant to see things.
The soul is here for its own joy.
A head has one use: For loving a true love.
Feet: To chase after.
Love is for vanishing into the sky. The mind,
for learning what men have done and tried to do.
Mysteries are not to be solved: The eye goes blindwhen it only wants to see why.
A lover is always accused of something.
But when he finds his love, whatever was lostin the looking comes back completely changed.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep
tags: inspirational
485 likes
Like“No more words. In the name of this place we drink in with our breathing, stay quiet like a flower.
So the nightbirds will start singing.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep
tags: rumi
106 likes
Like“The ear participates, and helps arrange marriages;
the eye has already made love with what it sees.
The eye knows pleasure, delights in the body's shape:
the ear hears words that talk about all this.
When hearing takes place, character areas change;
but when you see, inner areas change.
If all you know about fire is what you have heard
see if the fire will agree to cook you!
Certain energies come only when you burn.
If you long for belief, sit down in the fire!
When the ear receives subtly; it turns into an eye.
But if words do not reach the ear in the chest, nothing happens.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep
tags: rumi
44 likes
Like“Without you the instruments would die.
One sits close beside you. Another takes a long kiss.
The tambourine begs, Touch my skin so I can be myself.
Let me feel you enter each limb bone by bone,that what died last night can be whole today.
Why live some soberer way, and feel you ebbing out?
I won't do it.
Either give me enough wine or leave me alone,
now that I know how it is
to be with you in constant conversation.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep
tags: inspirational
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Re: Any sign of being a vegetarian/vegan?
« Reply #111 - on: 07.07.2016 at 01:21 [UT+1] »Quote from ganglion on 07.07.2016 at 00:14 [UT+1]:
Quote from somethoughts on 05.07.2016 at 00:41 [UT+1]:
What to say to "universal". Maybe, maybe personal.
you posted one of my favorite quotes from Rumi. It could be wished to be for everyone. As one of visions offered by thehighest order.
By time, maybe.

Sad to hear about your mother.
But here, if she was delighted by that you gave her:If the ice cream is your favorite flavor – say, chocolate – and you consume it with a full measure of delight, thehypothalamus will modulate this positive input by sending activation signals via parasympathetic nerve fibers to thesalivary glands, esophagus, stomach, intestines, pancreas, liver, and gallbladder.
http://psychologyofeating.com/mind-over-food/
The article is generally good for thoughts related to food. And also shows some of the indicators to that of emotionalism
connection to food. And funnily both traditions and food is by this coupled tod.

Taurus/Cancer activation.

One more of my favorite Rumi poems is that of not to "sleep".

Your 100th post
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1465773970/100#100
Night and Sleep by Rumi
http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/257463-night-and-sleep
Quote:
Night and Sleep Quotes (showing 1-5 of 5)“An eye is meant to see things.
The soul is here for its own joy.
A head has one use: For loving a true love.
Feet: To chase after.
Love is for vanishing into the sky. The mind,
for learning what men have done and tried to do.
Mysteries are not to be solved: The eye goes blindwhen it only wants to see why.
A lover is always accused of something.
But when he finds his love, whatever was lostin the looking comes back completely changed.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep
tags: inspirational
485 likes
Like“No more words. In the name of this place we drink in with our breathing, stay quiet like a flower.
So the nightbirds will start singing.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep
tags: rumi
106 likes
Like“The ear participates, and helps arrange marriages;
the eye has already made love with what it sees.
The eye knows pleasure, delights in the body's shape:
the ear hears words that talk about all this.
When hearing takes place, character areas change;
but when you see, inner areas change.
If all you know about fire is what you have heard
see if the fire will agree to cook you!
Certain energies come only when you burn.
If you long for belief, sit down in the fire!
When the ear receives subtly; it turns into an eye.
But if words do not reach the ear in the chest, nothing happens.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep
tags: rumi
44 likes
Like“Without you the instruments would die.
One sits close beside you. Another takes a long kiss.
The tambourine begs, Touch my skin so I can be myself.
Let me feel you enter each limb bone by bone,that what died last night can be whole today.
Why live some soberer way, and feel you ebbing out?
I won't do it.
Either give me enough wine or leave me alone,
now that I know how it is
to be with you in constant conversation.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep
tags: inspirational
44 likes
Like“Shams, my body is a candle touched with fire.”― Rumi, Night and Sleep

Hope you do not mind I add here one missing quote?
Travel lighter, wings will bear you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FV_MMC7frw
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Girl« Reply #112 - on: 09.07.2016 at 02:28 [UT+1] »MemberI would say Pisces or Aquarius. Pisces because of the love and compassion for animals and Aquarius to rebel
against the norm. I have Aquarius on the cusp of my 2nd House and Pisces Moon/Saturn intercepted. I becamea vegetarian at 22 years of age when my Progressed Sun moved into Leo which eventually opposed my 2nd
House (not sure what's up with that).
I've met many Pisces Moon and Sun people who are vegetarian or vegan.
Who would most be interested in Paleo or Raw Foods?

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