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AngellMemberHow can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« on: 20.01.2009 at 04:47 [UT] »So, I've learned that my natal Venus is in a detriment - and fall I think. What does that mean for me and everbeing in love??

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« Reply #1 - on: 20.01.2009 at 05:18 [UT] »Honestly, Venus in detriment (a or h) falls in love far stronger than either of her actual signs, but theseMartian signs are aggressive and self-centered. Romance can become a battleground, a major source of pain
and causes stress with relating to others. Venus is in Fall in Virgo and therefore it has more trouble expressing
itself there than anywhere else. Virgo struggles with Venus' love of luxury and has all too little self-esteem forromantic endeavors.
Regardless of what placement of Venus you have, you'll still fall in love just as hard as anyone else. It's justthat it'll probably be harder for you to actually function in the world of romance.
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« Reply #2 - on: 20.01.2009 at 18:56 [UT] »What you're saying, I've found to be true. Thank you for pointing out it's not a hopeless situation!

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« Reply #3 - on: 20.01.2009 at 20:06 [UT] »I have a D in her detriment as well (a) in the 8th house and I have found it to be one of my most challenging
planets to deal with, especially since my D is rx;

To be frank, it really isn't as bad as some books like to write it as being or some Astrologers like to say it isyeah it's definitely not a sign that D is most comfortable in, but honestly I rather have a D in detriment thana D that is exalted;
In the past I have been known to be a bit selfish in love, a bit too hasty to get things started- maybe impatientand etc, but like the above person stated, it is true that I fall very, very hard at times... but honestly I believe
we can all fall that hard, it really depends on the person;
If you compared it to say an exalted Venus- my Venus that is, my Venus is selfish but Venus in Pisces is so
selfless that it might become "negative" in some way for them if you get my drift... they might put the otherperson ahead of themselves so much so that they neglect their own life, their own feelings, what's "best" forthem and etc;
My Venus in detriment is in a stellium however (CDB) and is in mutual reception with a Mars in detriment, so
at times I think I might feel it a bit stronger- on top of the fact that the Venus, like I stated, is rx;
So maybe romance will never be as easy as it is for someone else without a Venus in detriment, so what- isn't
that a part of life, challenges and overcoming them? I'm sure you'll find a way to make it work for you.
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« Reply #4 - on: 21.01.2009 at 01:30 [UT] »Well, my mom has Venus in Aries and my dad has Venus in Scorpio and they've been married over 35 years.
My brother has Venus in Pisces, so I see both ends I guess, but I don't really see the differences in my family.

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« Reply #5 - on: 21.01.2009 at 23:38 [UT] »Quote from Pixie Vixen on 20.01.2009 at 20:06 [UT]:
I have a

D in her detriment as well (a) in the 8th house and I have found it to be one of my most challenging planets to deal with,
D is rx ;especially since my

To be frank, it really isn't as bad as some books like to write it as being or some Astrologers like to say it is- yeah it's definitely not a signthatis most comfortable in, but honestly I rather have ain detriment than athat is exalted;

D

D

D

In the past I have been known to be a bit selfish in love, a bit too hasty to get things started- maybe impatient and etc, but like theabove person stated, it is true that I fall very, very hard at times... but honestly I believe we can all fall that hard, it really depends on
the person;
If you compared it to say an exalted Venus- my Venus that is, my Venus is selfish but Venus in Pisces is so selfless that it might become"negative" in some way for them if you get my drift... they might put the other person ahead of themselves so much so that they neglect
their own life, their own feelings, what's "best" for them and etc;

CDB

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Gender:My Venus in detriment is in a stellium however () and is in mutual reception with a Mars in detriment, so at times I think I mightfeel it a bit stronger- on top of the fact that the Venus, like I stated, is rx;
So maybe romance will never be as easy as it is for someone else without a Venus in detriment, so what- isn't that a part of life,
challenges and overcoming them? I'm sure you'll find a way to make it work for you.

Hi Pixie
You mentioned something about being selfish in love. What does that mean from your experience if you don't
mind me asking.
Just wanna understand cos my D is in h.

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« Reply #6 - on: 22.01.2009 at 02:31 [UT] »Quote from Anghellic Revolutionist on 21.01.2009 at 23:38 [UT]:Hi Pixie
You mentioned something about being selfish in love. What does that mean from your experience if you don't mind me asking.
Just wanna understand cos my

D is in h.

Well at times... alright so I would think of myself and at times not really think so much of the other personyeah I know that's uber selfish and all and I hope to break the habit, at least a good part of it.
Say I would have a big problem with someone- well I would only think of how it effected me instead of how it
would effect both of us but... that guy would be not compatible with me in the long run anyway sosure actually, I don't have the best experiences in love relationships so....

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« Reply #7 - on: 22.01.2009 at 04:11 [UT] »Are we thinking here that Pixie feels "selfish" in love because Venus is in detriment/Aries? Is that what thismeans?
And, as for my orig. question, what would that make my quality - Venus is detriment in midheaven means
what?

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Pixie Vixen
Ex Member« Reply #8 - on: 22.01.2009 at 04:17 [UT] »Quote from Tia007 on 22.01.2009 at 04:11 [UT]:
Are we thinking here that Pixie feels "selfish" in love because Venus is in detriment/Aries? Is that what this means?
And, as for my orig. question, what would that make my quality - Venus is detriment in midheaven means what?
Tks!

Well you see, not at all times do I feel selfish- I've managed to somewhat get myself not to be so selfish but...
it's an old habit and no I don't think it's all because of this Venus... I have 4 inner personal planets in a so.
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« Reply #9 - on: 22.01.2009 at 07:28 [UT] »Quote from Tia007 on 22.01.2009 at 04:11 [UT]:
Are we thinking here that Pixie feels "selfish" in love because Venus is in detriment/Aries? Is that what this means?
And, as for my orig. question, what would that make my quality - Venus is detriment in midheaven means what?
Tks!

Hi TiaJust wanting a deeper understanding on D a compared to D h.

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« Reply #10 - on: 22.01.2009 at 07:37 [UT] »Tia, you might be interested to know that your Venus is in its best sign of Libra in your sidereal chart. It's
really fascinating actually that the two western signs of detriment, Aries and Scorpio, are more often than not
the sidereal signs of Pisces and Libra, Venus' exaltation and own sign. Also, when Venus is in western Libra, its
usually debilitated in sidereal being in Virgo.
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« Reply #11 - on: 22.01.2009 at 14:28 [UT] »Quote from Co-rulersFTW on 20.01.2009 at 05:18 [UT]:
Honestly, Venus in detriment (a or h) falls in love far stronger than either of her actual signs, but these Martian signs are aggressive

and self-centered. Romance can become a battleground, a major source of pain and causes stress with relating to others. Venus is in Fallin Virgo and therefore it has more trouble expressing itself there than anywhere else. Virgo struggles with Venus' love of luxury and has all
too little self-esteem for romantic endeavors.
Regardless of what placement of Venus you have, you'll still fall in love just as hard as anyone else. It's just that it'll probably be harderfor you to actually function in the world of romance.

Good analysis. I have read somewhere (I think it was Evangeline Adams) that Venus in Virgo can look at love
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« Reply #12 - on: 22.01.2009 at 14:43 [UT] »Joe, I think it has a lot to do with cultural expectation of all things and understandings of Venus, the tropicalplacements of Venus indeed shows her in detriment and fall and the behaviour people with these venus
placements seems to be contrary to what venus is all about. Funny that, in all the mythology of venus she isnever sweet or fair or anything nice, she expresses what she is about in very well in tropical Aries and Scorpio,
she basically gets what she wants. And that would make her very satisfied in sidereal because she would be in
her element. This has lead to a total misunderstanding about Venus.
Unfortunately for me she remains in h in both trop. and sidereal.
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« Reply #13 - on: 22.01.2009 at 15:29 [UT] »all i can think of with venus in scorpio is the movie the perferct storm. remember the beginning was so calmand beautiful? i was involved with a venus in scorp. man those stingers hurt! she has stellium in scorp in the
4th house. mars, venus, jupiter and neptune all there.

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« Reply #14 - on: 22.01.2009 at 15:50 [UT] »Juniper how can you be so perceptive? That movie is D in h. We are so cool at the beginning and it
is just a disaster afterwards and the other party is left wondering ...but...but

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« Reply #15 - on: 22.01.2009 at 15:50 [UT] »Quote from Cygnet on 22.01.2009 at 14:43 [UT]:
Joe, I think it has a lot to do with cultural expectation of all things and understandings of Venus, the tropical placements of Venus indeed
shows her in detriment and fall and the behaviour people with these venus placements seems to be contrary to what venus is all about.
Funny that, in all the mythology of venus she is never sweet or fair or anything nice, she expresses

what she is about in very well in tropical Aries and Scorpio, she basically gets what she wants. And
that would make her very satisfied in sidereal because she would be in her element. This has lead to a total misunderstanding about
Venus.
Unfortunately for me she remains in

h in both trop. and sidereal.

Thats a good point! In greek mythology she was a pivotal player in the Trojan war (a), as her promise for thefairest woman in the land in exchange for the golden apple from Paris was what started the war.
This topic is insightful. I have Df of which is an annoying placement, especially being a gA. I do find it
hard to express myself in romance, though I have to admit its hard to find someone who lives up to mystandards. Very virgoian, and I know... but its hard to get past that, its like a complex that give me quite a bitof anxiety.
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« Reply #16 - on: 22.01.2009 at 16:01 [UT] »thanks cygnet, the part where the wave grows bigger and bigger sticks in my mind. it actually gave meanxiety. i felt as if it was going to crush me right in my seat. i dont know how many of you saw the movie in
the theatre, but the movie was very dark, i mean there wasnt much light in order to get up and go out forsomething. and all the WATER water water everywhere!!!!!!! my aquarius moon loves it!

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« Reply #17 - on: 22.01.2009 at 16:37 [UT] »Oh Gosh, IPath, Venus has never been fair or balanced(g) in mythology, in Hittite mythology, she would prowl
the fields of the slain {wartime), adorn herself with their ears and smear their blood over herself. She did all
within her power to get her lover (Dumuzi) revived ( he died) in Sumerian mythology. She arrived, miracurously
in Greek mythology. She has always been a player, and she is so ah, that is why in sidereal those are hersigns lg, because that is her nature. I should tell you venus in virgo would be venus in leo, that would
explain not settling, because u want to be the best and to shine(Trojan war). The sun in virgo, fussiness, that's
the sidereal.
Juniper, I loved that movie, more so because it actually happened, but jeez it is so Dh, I am surprised that u
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« Reply #18 - on: 25.03.2009 at 21:06 [UT] »this is utter nonsense about Df. Think about it. It's an earth sign. It is intensely interested in the physicalaspect of love relationships, and can be intensely good at them (we love the practice!), if conducted withsomeone who cleans themselves regularly, puts the damned toilet seat down, and makes sure dirty socks arenever near the bed when the bed is in use.
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« Reply #19 - on: 25.03.2009 at 21:14 [UT] »This topic is insightful. I have of which is an annoying placement, especially being a . I do find it hard to
express myself in romance, though I have to admit its hard to find someone who lives up to my standards.
Very virgoian, and I know... but its hard to get past that, its like a complex that give me quite a bit of anxiety.
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I have Df- 3rd- & I don't find this to be true at all..

Gender:I am very emotive, romantic, expressive
Could an exact q from Asc, E, O d be what 'warms'
this up for me...
Of course there is that starrey eyed lB of mine..
The INNER voice in my head is very critical- but I balance what I express..
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« Reply #20 - on: 25.03.2009 at 21:18 [UT] »Quote from Syzygy on 25.03.2009 at 21:06 [UT]:

Dfthis is utter nonsense about. Think about it. It's an earth sign. It is intensely interested in the physical aspect of love relationships,
and can be intensely good at them (we love the practice!), if conducted with someone who cleans themselves regularly, puts the damned
toilet seat down, and makes sure dirty socks are never near the bed when the bed is in use.

lol luv that.. Yeah stinky BO is a turn off!!
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« Reply #21 - on: 25.03.2009 at 21:27 [UT] »I put up with a guy for awhile who threw his socks around, didn't put the toilet seat down, but did wash
regularly. One out of three.
I must have been massively in love.

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« Reply #22 - on: 25.03.2009 at 21:33 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 25.03.2009 at 21:14 [UT]:This topic is insightful. I have of which is an annoying placement, especially being a . I do find it hard to express myself in romance,
though I have to admit its hard to find someone who lives up to my standards. Very virgoian, and I know... but its hard to get past that,its like a complex that give me quite a bit of anxiety. writes- IP~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I haveDf- 3rd- & I don't find this to be true at all..

I am very emotive, romantic, expressive
Could an exact

q from Asc, E, O d be what 'warms'

this up for me...
Of course there is that starrey eyedlB of mine..

The INNER voice in my head is very critical- but I balance what I express..
My 2
KristaYa, I think its all that d energy, especially since your asc is involved there. Its more your nature..
We both have lB though, so I can identify with the starry eyedness... though my DoI and prob thats
where some of the tention i spoke about earlier is intensified..
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« Reply #23 - on: 25.03.2009 at 21:56 [UT] »Quote from illuminated path on 25.03.2009 at 21:18 [UT]:
Quote from Syzygy on 25.03.2009 at 21:06 [UT]:
this is utter nonsense about

Df. Think about it. It's an earth sign. It is intensely interested in the physical aspect of love

relationships, and can be intensely good at them (we love the practice!), if conducted with someone who cleans
themselves regularly, puts the damned toilet seat down, and makes sure dirty socks are never near the bed when the bed
is in use.

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I have dated more than my fair share of men with fD and while they are usually very attentive to details in
bed they also sometimes over-attentive to the other details in a relationship and can get fixated on the mostridiculous little things, even to me a f Rising!
I have also heard that people with planets in fall or detriment appreciate the qualities of the planet morebecause they have to work at it while sometimes people with planets in domicile or exaltation take thoseplanets for granted. I find this to be true for myself with kA and lC in detriment and also jF in fall.
One thing I'll never understand is why kD isn't in some sort of difficulty-filled named placement, that one
gives me more trouble than all the others!
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« Reply #24 - on: 25.03.2009 at 22:07 [UT] »um, SaturnLover, have you read the posts of people with Dk?? they don't sound happy to me.
Ofcourse, they have also had I over their D at some point in the past 8,000 years, and do not know what thehell they want or need, so they are exempt from this conversation, because they are so confused. We shallwait to hear from all k types until these transits cease, and their sanity re-emerges, if it ever can again, after
all of this.
I meant Df specifically for women, because men's expressions of their D is a very different energy, and a
man with Df is a different animal than a woman with Df. And then of course, house placement mattersentirely... etc.
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« Reply #25 - on: 25.03.2009 at 22:54 [UT] »Hey hey hey now, what's so wrong with Venus in Aquarius?
I love it my chart, I get a real kick out of what it does to men. And I met and fell in love with my husband while
T Neptune was conjunct it as well, so what exactly are you trying to say Syzygy?? (just kidding!)
He by the way has Venus in Virgo, and has never been the virginal type, very good with women.
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Curiosa Nervosa
Member« Reply #26 - on: 26.03.2009 at 00:05 [UT] »[quote author=illuminated path link=1232426829/0#15 date=1232639413]Quote from Cygnet on
22.01.2009 at 14:43 [UT]:
I haveDf of which is an annoying placement. I do find it hard to express myself in romance, though I have to admit its hard to findsomeone who lives up to my standards. Very virgoian, and I know... but its hard to get past that, its like a complex that give me quite a
bit of anxiety.

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Member« Reply #27 - on: 26.03.2009 at 01:49 [UT] »My Venus is in b and I LOVE it!
I feel it in everything that I touch, smell, taste.
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When I'm not sure of myself I can feel the b energy holding me still
until I decide which way to move.
It's has a very "cookbook" feel to it, earthy and sensual.
Opposite my h Moon it has a really intensely patient feel to it.
Like if I just hold still and wait, anything I want will come to me.
Does that sound crazy?
edited to add: My venus isn't in detriment or fall but I wanted to compare the "other" sideof a well placed venus.

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« Reply #28 - on: 26.03.2009 at 01:53 [UT] »Quote from Sweetrhonda on 26.03.2009 at 01:49 [UT]:My Venus is inb and I LOVE it!

I feel it in everything that I touch, smell, taste.
I love the sound of my husbands voice and the feel of his skin.
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Thanx... rub it in
I guess I should learn to enjoy my anxiety attacks... hehe
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« Reply #29 - on: 26.03.2009 at 02:29 [UT] »Quote from Syzygy on 25.03.2009 at 22:07 [UT]:um, SaturnLover, have you read the posts of people with

Dk?? they don't sound happy to me.

Of course, they have also hadIDover theirat some point in the past 8,000 years, and do not know what the hell they want or need, so they are exempt from thisconversation, because they are so confused. We shall wait to hear from alltypes until these transits cease, and their sanity re-kemerges, if it ever can again, after all of this.
I meant

Df specifically for women, because men's expressions of their D is a very different energy, and a man with Df is a different
Df. And then of course, house placement matters entirely... etc.

animal than a woman with

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Thanx- I was feeling SO downLight,
Kristabtw- Bk is no day at the beach...the emotions somehow get stunted

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« Reply #30 - on: 26.03.2009 at 08:14 [UT] »Oh boy I have Da 7th House. I am very aggressive when I get comfortable, but am shy and 'innocent' about
it. It's like they don't expect me to be all fire-like...and then BAM it hits them and they're like "Woah I have afeisty one on my hands!" I'm deeply passionate and I really do long to be close to a lovers touch. *sigh* Lovehurts...but it's so beautiful and necessary.
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« Reply #31 - on: 26.03.2009 at 08:52 [UT] »Tia if you look at your sidereal chart D is actually in her own sign of g, along with all your other 10th houseplanets, they are all opposed by G in detriment and retrograde in a and G also rules your B which would bein j in the sidereal. DG aspects can show denial of affection and having control over your emotions. How
easy do you find it to express love and affection to other people? How was love, affection and acceptencedisplayed at home 4/10 axis?
Just another way to look at it.

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« Reply #32 - on: 26.03.2009 at 11:15 [UT] »I have a tropical Db -> sidereal aD
I can be selfish in love too... even though venus is in her own sign (tropical)

Db can be as unfaithful and impulsive as Da
Look at the chart of Warren Beatty (3/30/1937)... Settled down @ 55... while having a Db... would not be
your average Db (tropical) description
Hugh Hefner (4/9/1926), who began with Playboy, has an exalted Dl (tropical)
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« Reply #33 - on: 26.03.2009 at 13:05 [UT] »Quote from Syzygy on 25.03.2009 at 22:07 [UT]:

Dk?? they don't sound happy to me.
Of course, they have also had I
D at some point in the past 8,000 years, and do not know what the hell they want or need, so they are exempt from thisconversation, because they are so confused. We shall wait to hear from all k types until these transits cease, and their sanity reum, SaturnLover, have you read the posts of people withover theiremerges, if it ever can again, after all of this.
I meant

Df specifically for women, because men's expressions of their D is a very different energy, and a man with Df is a different
Df. And then of course, house placement matters entirely... etc.

animal than a woman with

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Hi Syzygy, that's what I was trying to say (forgive me, having Neptune problems communicating this week but
he is approaching my sun at 27 k already past my D at 14k). Although maybe you are saying we are somessed up because Neptune is in k? Anyway, if I were assigning essential dignities I might add a special newclassification to kD, though it can't be it can't be in fall since then it would have to be in exaltation in e ...
but yes, it's hard for me but I'm still working at it. And clearly I am confused

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« Reply #34 - on: 26.03.2009 at 15:59 [UT] »Quote from Anghellic Revolutionist on 22.01.2009 at 07:28 [UT]:
Quote from Tia007 on 22.01.2009 at 04:11 [UT]:
Are we thinking here that Pixie feels "selfish" in love because Venus is in detriment/Aries? Is that what this means?
And, as for my orig. question, what would that make my quality - Venus is detriment in midheaven means what?
Tks!

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Gender:Just wanting a deeper understanding on

D a compared to D h.

Thanks for opening up this topic I really appreciate peoples personal experiences than what I read out of a book.
Cheersvenus in aries is action, ardently, impatiently persuing objects of affection.
venus in scorpio is emotion, intensity, demanding emotional surrender. wanting
to die for love
don't think about it as being detrimental or weak as it describes the natureof the venusian influence as being in one of the martial signs.
these energies are not weak by any means.
ask any one who has been the object of one of these typesof venus influenced people.

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« Reply #35 - on: 28.03.2009 at 01:58 [UT] »i have venus in the 1st in scorpio.i am a romantic ,love the idea of finding a soul mate but it is retrograde so iguess i have to wait til later in life.

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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #36 - on: 28.03.2009 at 02:07 [UT] »SaturnLover, I love ya like a rock babe, but I'm gonna have that post sent to your planet so it can be
decoded....
hahahahhaa.

k = insanity. The sooner you guys accept it (in the year 2201) the sooner the rest of us can join you in yourdementia.

Then you won't feel so alone.

Yes: I-ian confusion. It hits some people well, some people.... not so well.
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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #37 - on: 28.03.2009 at 02:09 [UT] »What are the positive ways D in f can be expressed?

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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #38 - on: 28.03.2009 at 02:15 [UT] »a quick wit, very well groomed, has the self control to 'hold back' a bit- feuling the interest of the other...
The critical 'voice in the head' is ever present- hopefully we Df
have the self- discipline to keep this quiet..
I have it in the 3rd...
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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #39 - on: 28.03.2009 at 02:32 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 28.03.2009 at 02:15 [UT]:The critical 'voice in the head' is ever present- hopefully we

Dfhave the self- discipline to keep this quiet..
I have it in the 3rd...

My2,

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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #40 - on: 28.03.2009 at 02:44 [UT] »Ex Member

Quote from Krista Shipp on 28.03.2009 at 02:15 [UT]:a quick wit, very well groomed, has the self control to 'hold back' a bit- feuling the interest of the other...
The critical 'voice in the head' is ever present- hopefully we

Dfhave the self- discipline to keep this quiet..
I have it in the 3rd...

My2,
KristaYes, and also great understanding of social decorum, with manners that can infiltrate any setting, while
retaining poise and a modest presentation of its best qualities.
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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #41 - on: 28.03.2009 at 07:33 [UT] »h D m F C retrograde. Does anyone want to help me try and work out this one?

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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #42 - on: 28.03.2009 at 09:24 [UT] »Quote from psyche ascending on 28.03.2009 at 02:44 [UT]:
Quote from Krista Shipp on 28.03.2009 at 02:15 [UT]:a quick wit, very well groomed, has the self control to 'hold back' a bit- feuling the interest of the other...
The critical 'voice in the head' is ever present- hopefully we

Dfhave the self- discipline to keep this quiet..
I have it in the 3rd...

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Gender:My2,KristaYes, and also great understanding of social decorum, with manners that can infiltrate any setting, while retaining poise and a modest
presentation of its best qualities.

Ues- & I was very well mannered as a child- without much promptingThis true of other fD's here ?
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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #43 - on: 28.03.2009 at 14:29 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 28.03.2009 at 09:24 [UT]:Ues- & I was very well mannered as a child- without much promptingThis true of otherfD's here ?

KristaI can vouch for my husband here. He gets pretty exasperated over our eldest, doesn't understand why she
doesn't just 'get it' the way he did when he was a child. And don't get me started on the lack of home training
he accuses me of, (cough) kD.
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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #45 - on: 28.03.2009 at 18:21 [UT] »Quote from Krista Shipp on 28.03.2009 at 02:15 [UT]:a quick wit, very well groomed, has the self control to 'hold back' a bit- feuling the interest of the other...
The critical 'voice in the head' is ever present- hopefully we

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I have it in the 3rd...

My2,
KristaThese are true of me.

Df in the 9th
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Re: How can a "detriment" or "fall" affect Venus?
« Reply #46 - on: 31.03.2009 at 12:06 [UT+1] »The point is with the Martian influenced D is that she isn't behaving as the object of love, as the pure femininethat the straight male/female E/D cultural oppositions would indicate and hence is believed to be behaving
detrimentally to its basic nature - the mere fact of hunting directly instead of demurely luring through charms,
and luxurious seduction. The mythology does get mixed up though for Venus/Aphrodite so the ravenous desire
gets hidden beneath civilsed charms and should not be openly exposed in a Martian action in myth we get tosee the coarser side of Venus but it is really an explanation that the desires are there but that they shock us
and are better hidden and forgotten in possible. The female sexual desire is not something that should be seen
(this may be changing in our culture, but ythen again, may not be), it is more seemly to be hidden even
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though women do desire strongly and we're hinting at the virgin/whore honour/shame cultural contrasts that
inform Western behaviours. So Venus in Aries and Scorpio do not behave in a civilised way, being subject tonon-civilised emotional expression and are hence in detriment. Certainly this is the case for female Dplacements. Male D placements are different and I would use for what they desire in women - so Da/hplacement wants a woman that goes and gets them and is expressive in desires.

Da - yes, I have always got the man I wanted, and never chosen one that did not want to join in
enthusiastically - but I guess I chose right too. But note that my D mlB - the dynamism is tempered byemotional connection. So this is a reminder to look to aspect and house, beyond mere placement.
Men are different. Both my father and a friend of mine have Da and both of them chose women with strong
Mars placements - my mother was AEJm, friend's wife is AmEa.
edited: I am aware that Venus represents soooo much more than just love and desire.................
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« Reply #47 - on: 31.03.2009 at 13:28 [UT+1] »I know a man with Db/Ehgood compliment to my Df/Ed
At times our tie is strained- but never broken..
Of course he has that impossible aqua B........
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