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coromell
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Jupiter, Lilith, Retrogrades and Cardinal Squares!
« on: 04.08.2012 at 16:06 [UT+1] »An interesting connection I thought to explore... I was looking into how the Venus Rx cycles and the Jupiter Rxcycles are linked, not just in that they cover much of the same ground, but I was wondering if there wasanything more connecting them. And there is indeed an interesting connection:
Going back to last March and the Venus/Jupiter conjunction at 9+ Taurus, BML was also conjunct Venus andJupiter and they were both inside what was at the time a very wide Lilith corridor.
Sabian symbol:(TAURUS 10°): A RED CROSS NURSE.
KEYNOTE: The compassionate linking of all men.
This symbol reveals the feeling of human cooperation at the stage of pure altruism and service to the socialWhole. On that foundation of Christ love (agape, or true companionship), man can reach a still higher level ofexperience made possible by the refinement of the substance of his being, his consciousness and his will. This
goes beyond imagination and faith in the future - beyond Christmas tree celebrations - for it implies going into
the dark to bring life and love to the tormented and the deprived.
At this final stage of the five-fold sequence we see what is finally open as new potentiality to the "widow before
an open grave" — the closing symbol of the preceding sequence. Personal attachment in love to a husband or
wife has changed level becoming a CONSECRATION TO HUMANITY.
Moving on to June this year when Venus and Jupiter almost meet and sit either side of the south node they areonce again enclosed in the Lilith corridor. Jupiter is now going through a period when the Lilith corridor iscontinually enclosing and releasing him.
When he entered his shadow he was not in the corridor. Nor is he when he goes retrograde. Or when he goes
direct, however during his Rx phase he has been in and out of the corridor a number of times, it’s like bymoving Rx he cannot escape. When he leaves his shadow he is once more back inside the corridor, and when
Venus (Mercury too) finally make the conjunction with Jupiter at 23+ Gemini they are all inside the corridor.
I’ve already noted on the Venus Rx thread the Chiron colouring of these retrogrades – it seems Chiron andLilith are working together and taking Jupiter to task somewhat. Thinking about the symbolism, it reads
something like Jupiter (religion, law, establishment) is being challenged by the square to Chiron in Pisces(wounded spirituality) and Lilith is demanding integrity and authenticity in the ways we relate to one anotheron both a social and spiritual level. If this authenticity, this honesty combined with a conscious and fearlessunderstanding of how our spirit is wounded and how it needs to heal is not brought into the open andcommunicated then the energy will erupt in unconscious and frightening ways. This will be the case on both anindividual and a society level with the Venus Rx showing us the individually sensitive issues and Jupiter
extending these out into society.
This strikes me as a very long term, deep rooted challenge to the world, the interaction between Lilith andJupiter continues as Jupiter moves into Cancer, trines Chiron and also retrogrades to trine Chiron again.
Significantly the 2013 Jupiter Rx in Cancer also triggers a series of retrogrades that trigger the Cardinal square
we have going on – he is followed in 2014 by Venus Rx in Capricorn and then Mars Rx in Libra... any thoughts anyone?
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Re: Jupiter, Lilith, Retrogrades and Cardinal Squa« Reply #1 - on: 04.08.2012 at 17:36 [UT+1] »oh am glad you have started your wackyness on this subject;)

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« Reply #2 - on: 04.08.2012 at 22:40 [UT+1] »in terms of how the transits configurations Lilith/N/F/D/ s. Node add up in the country where I live (UK) I
could sum it up in 2 words: welfare reform.
The sick and the disabled (N) are having their financial support taken away through fit for work tests.
Posts: 303There is some vacillation here (mutable signs) with legal decisions reversed, questioned etc but the generalmood is to remove their (meagre) benefits first and let them fight to get them back.
At the same time remove legal aid (money for court cases) which they need to fight.
A number of those who've been assessed as fit have died shortly following this assessment which proves how
nuts the assessment is.
This to me is FoNl with a dose of M.

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Re: Jupiter, Lilith, Retrogrades and Cardinal Squa« Reply #3 - on: 05.08.2012 at 08:32 [UT+1] »Interesting Eudaimonia ~ I had to run through trials in an investigation of my financial records recently, tosecure health insurance coverage for myself and my children. It started during the Mars RX zone, thencontinued through the Venus RX zone. Talk about walking the RX "walk" ~ I had to prove I had noemployment/income. Whoopee! Got the letters approving our insurance just before Mercury went RX.
~~~Jupiter transit ? The enclosure with the Liliths is my personal joke lately. Jupiter-Venus-Lilith on my SR thisyear at the MC. Get the %&*@ out of my way. But it hurts, and I'm only one month into it.
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Gender:Oh, I could wax on ~ Cardinal squared? I'm an astrologer, and I still can't figure out how to patch JupiterVenus-Lilith with Neptune opp Pluto with the continual pummel of Pluto on my numbers, now entranced byUranus' impatience talking to my Aries Moon.

My dA exhausts, disables, resigns with it all. So much ancillary to process into a workable recipe.
M.

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« Reply #4 - on: 05.08.2012 at 11:47 [UT+1] »As an earthy type the 'terrain' of this signature feels like quicksand just when you thought thought the going
was fair and the horizon clear. Then when you get to solid ground giant potholes suddenly appear.
I've got CDMC c as the apex of a T square (JfnFNl)
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I has been tr o my C and have been having lots of communication problems and people being deceitful. Myprog C is stationary R o my Asc for years to come too.
I feel like I talk a different language to everyone - the angular emphasis, I guess. I'm just hoping things will
improve when the SN gets out of the way of my t-square.

Need to check out Lilith more - never seen it as that strong an influence before. Natally in my first house but nosignificant aspects.
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« Reply #5 - on: 06.08.2012 at 09:41 [UT+1] »I do think somehow this Jupiter/Lilith link is about shaking up the establishment and with Chiron's influence isultimately healing. To me it's about bringing spiritual values into society and community and getting rid ofstructures that prevent that - anti-status-quo energy.
Eudaimonia, interesting what you say re welfare reform, but we have also seen many fights in parliament andthe government isn't getting all its own way - with the Jupiter Rx that will be intensified I think. Interesting tosee the power the bishops of the Lords have wielded when it comes to stopping the most draconian changes(very Jupiter) - although to my mind they cave too quickly...
Upsets within the church too - women bishops, gay priests... Chiron undercutting assumed values and asking
what is really important here.
The mutable energy sets the scene, it changes things from one to another, it's not so much undecided as
moving things on, and things won't move if they stay fixed, whether that's decisions or seasons or whateverelse. The squares are challenging - the coming months will show the places where tension is going to begreatest (watch those transits to the cardinal square - maybe keep a journal), these things will be subject toalmighty shake-up when the retrogrades hit.
And all the while Lilith is chewing up the powers that be... it will take a while for it to become clear, but it looks
like big big changes to me!
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« Reply #6 - on: 10.08.2012 at 02:07 [UT+1] »Moirae - glad you got your health insurance. Sounds like you used your firey moon well! Wish I had a bit more
fire - maybeO will wake it up when it visits my E soon.

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Coromell - will heed your advice on journalling through the cardinal squares. The above transit is my firstopportunity.
Also I've not heard of Chiron as ultimately healing before so I really appreciate this more hopeful vision. I tend
to be a bit of a doom-monger and scaredy cat with astro interpretations.
Regarding Lilith - I do wonder that the present transits also link to the role of women in society. Back to unpaid
work for example, and the resistance to this.

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« Reply #7 - on: 10.08.2012 at 09:10 [UT+1] »Hi Eudaimonia, I would hesitate to assign the role of women alone to Lilith as she is more a force insistent onequality (of course in this society that does mean women a lot of the time, but also applies to others). What I
find interesting with the interaction with Jupiter are issues to do with challenging the power base of theestablishment - demands for women bishops, for gay clerics to be able to live their sexuality, upheavals (or not)in the parliamentary system of the UK - e.g. Lords reform, conflict in the banking system spilling out
sometimes into class conflict on the streets and so on.
To me it seems Lilith on a society level can cause great disturbance to establishment structures that havebecome corrupted. On an individual level can also cause great disturbance as we realise these structures far
from allowing us to live as whole human beings within a community actually somehow prevent that. Lilith rips
apart that which denies us equality of living and relating (and she can get pretty angry about it), Chiron offerssome healing after the upheaval maybe, allowing us to try to put in place structures that are helpful to humansociety and culture (i.e. they help us fulfill our nature as intelligent and self-aware social animals) rather thanforce us to serve the power plays of others.
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