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direct Jupitarian
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astrology of obsessive, dark relationships?
« on: 18.04.2009 at 07:54 [UT+1] »And very tense, heated, or difficult interactions.
This relates a bit to my last post on the ego thread. On a past astrology forum i developed a somewhat
mutually intense, dark, obsessive interaction with another poster. For awhile, i found myself thinking unduly
about this person. It wasn't healthy, and there seemed to be a lot of projection and personal, judgmental
criticism on both sides (definitely more from him to me)
This person would never share his full chart publicly on that site, but shared enough info that i could piece
together two very probable charts for those specific indications.
With one particular chart, in comparison of our natals, there are some very powerful, close, and tense Plutointeraspects between sensitive points, as well as some very tense, close major Saturn interaspects.
In your experience and theory, are there other indications that tend to go along strong with such interactions
between two people? Mars, Moon, Uranus, Chiron, 8th house, Scorpio, many mutual squares, and/or S. Node?
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direct Jupitarian

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« Reply #1 - on: 18.04.2009 at 08:49 [UT+1] »Thanks for the info.

I haven't used those kinds of charts before, and i'm finding a hard time reading it clearly.

I understand the mirror statement very much. My karmic friend was definitely a good mirror for me, helped
to teach me about myself and make me aware of certain shadow/unconscious stuff, and actually occasionally he
did have some good and perceptive/accurate criticisms for and about me. I think part of him "wanted to help"me, but with a lot of other, more unconscious an definitely negative, over attachment, and projective stuff
mixed in. I'm not particularly proud of some of my behavior over there in relation to him, or even in generaland this temporary extremism made me a very easy target for a Guru wannabe to latch onto the erring andfalling "student".
Ultimately, i'm actually grateful for the experiences and interactions because of the teaching/self awarenessaspect.
Perhaps it should be mentioned that this person is very into the whole, Indian based Guru scene wherein one
surrenders themselves to the holy, God incarnate physically living (or somewhat recently deceased) modern
Teacher who by such virtue can do no wrong, or have any inaccuracy or personal weaknesses. When in such amode, with such people, if such teacher tells you to jump, you do it no questions asked for you are de-vote-te.
Most Gurus look for, or accept disciples and then oft personally concentrate on "teaching" the individual
and/or group as may so be.
Some Gurus are decent teachers with relatively healthy, balanced, and aware tendencies, and many are not andmany have been well documented as to various kinds of physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual abuse,manipulate, and often material greed.
Check out folks like Osho, Sri Chimnoy, L. Ron Hubbard, Addi Da, A. Crowely, Sathya Sai Baba, Andrew
Cohen, etc. to get an idea of the self and other dishonest, unusually imbalanced, egotistical, controlling,materialistic types.
For those that strike me as more positive, helpful, aware, balanced, sincere, self honest and other honest
types, check out folks like Sri Aurobindo, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Dali Lama, Swami Muktananda, Meher
Baba, Yeshua, etc. for example.

Anyways, how do or did you deal with this kind of relationship? Would you feel a bit weird if this person
showed up to two other sites you're on, after you left the 1st one you both originally met on?
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« Reply #2 - on: 18.04.2009 at 09:18 [UT+1] »Quote from Cygnet on 18.04.2009 at 08:38 [UT+1]:
Hi DJ,
I believed you when you said you where aspiring to vibrate on the same level of Yeshua. Your post about *&(&(&(&%&%^$ was mean andunrelated to this forum, he/she is a new member and didn't say anything to attack you. It is not polite or compassionate to treat

people that way.

Those are my ideals yes, but i'm very much human, and after forgetting this person finally, i'm sincerely a bit
disturbed that it's very likely this is the 2nd time and the 2nd site that i seem to have to have been followed
onto. Strikes me as pretty f'thed up if true frankly.
Is it mean to bring things out into public?

Do i need scientific or law enforcement proof before stating myperceptions and beliefs?
People that do stuff like that in relation to others, need to be openly called out on. Generally such people aresuch secretive, hidden, and reserved types that tend to covertly manipulate in the back scenes, in the dark, thatit's potentially helpful for both them and the person weirded out by one to many "coincidences", to have things
discussed in the open, in the light of day.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing that i would say about myself, or others, that i would say in private toanother person, that i wouldn't also discuss openly to their face or in public.
That is called sincerity, directness, and openness and it's generally lacking and sadly needed in this world.
I believe in the golden rule. I would not have a problem with another person openly and publicly discussing
me or a relationship dynamic to me, as long as it was open and public, and not trying to privately get people ormoderators against you.
Because i do not have a problem with it myself, towards myself, and since i cannot fully read the hearts andminds of others, this is how i treat others that have tried to tear both me and my friends down. I expect noless, or more from others.
This person that i'm talking about, is a master at covert attack, underhanded and back scenes manipulation,and other negatively Plutonian ways of interacting with people they don't like.
If i felt they were truly and completely mentally ill/unbalanced, i would not have broached the subject publicly
or privately at all to begin with. They have shown enough clarity of mind, relative honesty (to others at least),
awareness of spiritual principles that makes me think they can be reached and wouldn't be put over the edge bysomething like this.
On a more practical note, if you ever saw this guys writing, and compared it to "(&(&(%&%" from Bruce Moen's
site, and compared to it to this person we are now both talking about, you would see what i mean and how
blatantly obvious this is the same person.
If this is completely negative and unloving, then so be it, i will have to balance difficult karma. But, i partiallysee it has practicing the needed Virgo/Leo cusped N. Node in the 1st, Cap. Sun in 6th, and Leo Rising andlearning how to "hiss" as in the spiritual story/analogy about the master, the snake student, and what he should
do. This is me hissing and hissing loudly. In the past, i would have kept quiet for caring what others think ofme and how it potentially reflects on me, or feeling to bad for the person despite the weirdness and disturbing
element (Pisces S. Node in 7th and Libra Moon).
Note: Cygnet's quote was edited by me, direct Jupitarian for privacy of forum member
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« Reply #3 - on: 18.04.2009 at 09:29 [UT+1] »Quote from direct Jupitarian on 18.04.2009 at 08:49 [UT+1]:
Thanks for the info. I haven't used those kinds of charts before, and i'm finding a hard time reading it clearly.
Anyways, how do or did you deal with this kind of relationship? Would you feel a bit weird if this person showed up to two other sites
you're on, after you left the 1st one you both originally met on?

What kind of charts did you use? I can change them.
I'm sorry, have I missed a discussion here? I don't quite understand this 'site talk'.
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« Reply #4 - on: 18.04.2009 at 09:33 [UT+1] »You should of confronted this person directly through the PM, if you feel you are been stalked. Now you havemade it a public affair and we only have your side to go on and you have been on the forum longer therefore
most people would believe you. That is not fair, if you were in the posters position I would also be offended foryou. What if it is not the person you think it is? To attack and dissect a new forum member who you have beef
with because you suspect it is someone else, is not right. Don't you see the injustice in this situation?
Anyway, you have deleted your post and I deleted my previous post so as to not make more out of it.

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direct Jupitarian

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« Reply #5 - on: 18.04.2009 at 09:43 [UT+1] »Well i had written up a previous post on the subject, before i started this thread, on the ego thread, but it
mysteriously and without warning got erased.
No doubt someone or someones complained to the ptb. I can understand and sympathize with moderators
erasing it, but frankly considering the sheer weirdness factor, i really needed to state my mind and let a certain
someone know that i'm quite aware of being followed and not ok with it one bit.
We 1st met on one site, he was there before me.
instrumental in that process of me getting banned.

I left, he (and some of my unusually extreme behavior) was
I never went back.

I seem to have been followed to another site i was originally on, and one had earlier recommended on thatastro. site.
Lately i haven't been on that 2nd site much at all.
I recently signed up here.

Soon after, the same person seems to have signed up and started posting soonafter i signed up and started posting here.

Mind you i've been on a long astrology forum hiatus.

These "persons" or different I net identities have a very unusual, very unique, and very, very, very similar
writing style. Like a clear fingerprint.
So, i'm a bit weirded out. Apparently that is not "appropriate" to talk about in the open, apparently its not
ok to state things publicly for the record, and apparently its not ok to be weired out and a bit bothered by suchseemingly obsessive behavior.
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direct Jupitarian
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« Reply #6 - on: 18.04.2009 at 09:50 [UT+1] »Quote from Cygnet on 18.04.2009 at 09:33 [UT+1]:
You should of confronted this person directly through the PM, if you feel you are been stalked. Now you have made it a public affair and
we only have your side to go on and you have been on the forum longer therefore most people would believe you. That is not fair, if you
were in the posters position I would also be offended for you. What if it is not the person you think it is? To attack and dissect a newforum member who you have beef with because you suspect it is someone else, is not right. Don't you see the injustice in this situation?
Anyway, you have deleted your post and I deleted my previous post so as to not make more out of it.

I certainly did NOT delete my post, it was deleted for me.
I'm extremely, extremely, extremely sure it's the same person.
this?

Apparently you do not understandI have no interest in initiating private conversation with this person due to the particular history, and thecurrent development.

Right now T Pluto in Capricorn is almost exactly squaring my Libra Moon cusping the 3rd and ruling the 12th,
and also starting to become involved with a square pattern to Cap. Merc, ruler of the 11th.
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« Reply #7 - on: 18.04.2009 at 09:52 [UT+1] »Quote from ramez nas on 18.04.2009 at 09:29 [UT+1]:
Quote from direct Jupitarian on 18.04.2009 at 08:49 [UT+1]:
Thanks for the info. I haven't used those kinds of charts before, and i'm finding a hard time reading it clearly.
Anyways, how do or did you deal with this kind of relationship? Would you feel a bit weird if this person showed up to two
other sites you're on, after you left the 1st one you both originally met on?

What kind of charts did you use? I can change them.
I'm sorry, have I missed a discussion here? I don't quite understand this 'site talk'.

I usually compare one natal to another side by side. Like i'll have two windows up and go back and forth
between them, or two actual chart sheets next to each other.
No worries, i can just plug in their individual info i guess.
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« Reply #8 - on: 18.04.2009 at 09:53 [UT+1] »Of course it is okay to be "weired out", but isn't it less weird to speak to the person directly instead of getting
yourself banned again by making public accusations that we know nothing about?
No i didn't report to admin but that means I wasn't the only one who was disturbed by your post.
Anyway relax.... maybe you should delete this entire thread and start a new one that does not involve analyzing
another forum members belief system and god complex.

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direct Jupitarian

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« Reply #9 - on: 18.04.2009 at 10:00 [UT+1] »Quote from Cygnet on 18.04.2009 at 09:53 [UT+1]:
Of course it is okay to be "weired out", but isn't it less weird to speak to the person directly instead of getting yourself banned again bymaking public accusations that we know nothing about?
No i didn't report to admin but that means I wasn't the only one who was disturbed by your post.
Anyway relax.... maybe you should delete this entire thread and start a new one that does not involve analyzing another forum members
belief system and god complex.

There is now no mention of specific names here, hence protecting privacy of talked about member.
know who they are though.
This will not be erased because their privacy is now protected.

They

It's also a general astrological discussion

about a difficult subject.
I am fairly relaxed, thanks.
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Das Stavrou
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Re: astrology of obsessive, dark relationships?
« Reply #10 - on: 18.04.2009 at 14:53 [UT+1] »Quote from direct Jupitarian on 18.04.2009 at 07:54 [UT+1]:
And very tense, heated, or difficult interactions.
This relates a bit to my last post on the ego thread. On a past astrology forum i developed a somewhat mutually intense, dark, obsessiveinteraction with another poster. For awhile, i found myself thinking unduly about this person. It wasn't healthy, and there seemed to be a
lot of projection and personal, judgmental criticism on both sides (definitely more from him to me)
This person would never share his full chart publicly on that site, but shared enough info that i could piece together two very probable
charts for those specific indications.
With one particular chart, in comparison of our natals, there are some very powerful, close, and tense Pluto interaspects between sensitive
points, as well as some very tense, close major Saturn interaspects.
In your experience and theory, are there other indications that tend to go along strong with such interactions between two people? Mars,
Moon, Uranus, Chiron, 8th house, Scorpio, many mutual squares, and/or S. Node?

Karmic learning doesn't discriminate in the medium it does so. To answer however, i believe the every aspect
between all persons is karmic. However, pluto/8th/4th/12th houses and saturn interactions between the twodelineate the strength and importance of the karma. Could be as little amount of karma as an argument over
why you spilt someones pint or as far reaching as several love affairs over several lives. The aspects you
describe speak to me immediately of showing you both tendencies inherent within that need to be transcended- a direct mirroring. Pluto is nothing if not the absolute truth of what we are. Saturn will administer the lesson.
Curiously - what has it brought you, cognisantly?

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« Reply #11 - on: 18.04.2009 at 15:07 [UT+1] »So do you think that we all have the propensity to have these kinds of relationships, as indicated in synastry?
Or is this something indicated in your natal chart?
I'm with Das - if we have to think of human relationships in terms in karma, than ALL interactions, everyone wemeet are karmic.

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« Reply #12 - on: 18.04.2009 at 15:14 [UT+1] »We close this thread. The author is warned that he needs to stop his campaign against other forum members.
Further personal attacks will not be tolerated.

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