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« on: 27.06.2007 at 02:34 [UT+1] »Moon-Pluto aspect makes one calculating and cunning?

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« Reply #1 - on: 27.06.2007 at 03:02 [UT+1] »I don't know about calculating. More likely, a conjunction, square or opposition between those two will makeone obsessive and extremely tenacious, most notably in matters of love and sex. If you look at it and think"calculating and cunning," maybe you are seeing the opportunistic bent that aspect has... but in the case ofMoon/Pluto the opportunism is spawned from the natural inclination to seize an opportunity based on extreme,
mostly instinct-based, emotional impulse, and that part of you pretty much automatically knows what to do
once the opportunity opens up. Calculating and cunning, which seem to imply a process of premeditatedconscious deliberation, aren't necessary. However, the one eye always on that rare, elusive chance to fulfill theintense and highly specific desire, might appear to be calculating in its sheer determination (and sometimes
desperation).
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« Reply #2 - on: 27.06.2007 at 13:28 [UT+1] »I have Moon opposite Pluto and I am neither nor have I ever appeared to be calculating and cunning.
Good description Ether, I can agree with it.

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« Reply #3 - on: 27.06.2007 at 19:27 [UT+1] »I've got Moon sextile Pluto from the 8th house - also PLuto conjunct MC and Scorp rising - with scorpiopluto
you're going to get a certain amount of cunning IMO simply because Scorp/pluto sees beyond the obvious. but

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I am not calculating in the least - I would expect signs would impact this alot- wiht air for calculation, or Cappy.
perhaps moon/mercury aspects? I see moon pluto as manipulation of emotions/emotional blackimail,power/control issues in relatonships, esp with Mom.

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« Reply #4 - on: 27.06.2007 at 19:33 [UT+1] »I have Moon opposition Pluto and I guess it explains my extreme mood swings, which I thankfully haveunder control now. As for cunning/calculating, I really can't relate, although I could be secretive andintrospective.
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« Reply #5 - on: 28.06.2007 at 19:50 [UT+1] »Hi Tosh!
Yes, believe me, I know, natally I have them conjunct!
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I have Moon opposite Pluto and I am neither nor have I ever appeared to be calculating and cunning.
Good description Ether, I can agree with it.

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« Reply #6 - on: 28.06.2007 at 19:52 [UT+1] »Jupiter'sDaughter,I think I get what you're saying about maybe cunning, but definitely not calculating... cunning is somewhat tied
to instinct... like how a wolf is cunning... but calculating is more of a strictly human cerebral trait that implies
premeditation and scheming

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I've got Moon sextile Pluto from the 8th house - also PLuto conjunct MC and Scorp rising - with scorpiopluto you're going to get a certain
amount of cunning IMO simply because Scorp/pluto sees beyond the obvious. but I am not calculating in the least - I would expect signs
would impact this alot- wiht air for calculation, or Cappy. perhaps moon/mercury aspects? I see moon pluto as manipulation ofemotions/emotional blackimail, power/control issues in relatonships, esp with Mom.

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« Reply #7 - on: 28.06.2007 at 21:01 [UT+1] »I think it probably depends a lot upon which sign the Moon is in.

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« Reply #8 - on: 29.06.2007 at 13:49 [UT+1] »I have a son that has this (very close conjunction in sag in the 12th) and he can be extremely manipulative andhas major control issues. He has deep instinctual responses and is most definitely cunning. (Gemini sun) As far
as calculating, I don't know if I would describe him as that yet although I can see it as a possibility as he get's

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older and wiser. It seems like most of his "issues" are coming from instinct (south node in Scorpio) so I don't
know if he'll ever be calculating. Hopefully, as he grows wiser, he'll be a little less instinctual and a lot morethoughful.
Any insight and advice on handling moon/pluto, please do tell! There is much more to this conjunction/aspect
than mother issues.

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« Reply #9 - on: 29.06.2007 at 15:16 [UT+1] »I have moon sq pluto and i could be exceedingly cunning and calculating if i wanted to, because i have theperceptions, the instincts, and the insights into other peoples feelings and desires, that would make cunningand calculation possible. However, my pluto is in 7th house virgo and squaring my 10th house sagitarian moonwhich is also conjunct my sag MC. So i'm able to use my perceptions in a professional and idealistic way, doing
counselling, and help other people become more aware and take personal responsibility. As a therapist it isessential to be aware of the various 'games' that is going on in the therapeutic situation, the games i might besusceptible to fall for (insight into self and own weak spots) and also the games the clients play withthemselves. Generally, I am instinctively aware of people who are cunning and calculated (language patterns,
body language and so on give this game away)... but if it involves people i love i sometimes choose to put
blinders on or give them the benefit of the doubt because sometimes the truth does hurt.
On the whole, i think i use my 'cunning' radars for good. I certainly aspire to.
I like this thread, it's very interesting to read the posts on such a delicate subject.
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« Reply #10 - on: 29.06.2007 at 15:51 [UT+1] »yes they do.
I have moon square pluto (moon 12th house, pluto the cusp of 8 and 9th). not that I'm like that on a daily
basis, but when I see an excuse for such behavior, I can be sheming, or cunning if you like
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« Reply #11 - on: 30.06.2007 at 10:54 [UT+1] »Quote from _Tosh_ on 27.06.2007 at 13:28 [UT+1]:
I have Moon opposite Pluto and I am neither nor have I ever appeared to be calculating and cunning.
Good description Ether, I can agree with it.

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Gender:Hi I think she said it was INSTINCTUAL REACTION and might APPEAR to be cunning. So I got that she wasdisagreeing with the association.
Instinctual intensitiy which my daughter has with moon pluto conj in the first is correct. The instinct is what's
acting.
If you are looking for Calculating and cunning, I would look to capricorn and virgo for that.
I have a moon and mer in cap and pluto conj the IC and I am calculating (in other words adding up all the facts
before acting) and I am cunning too (acting without the knowledge of others)
Calculating and cunning are not necessarily negative, for example if you want to join amway and you know
everyone is going to nay say you in the process you just go out and do it without telling them. That is cunning.
These qualities do not automatically make someone evil either.

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« Reply #12 - on: 30.06.2007 at 11:01 [UT+1] »Quote from Jupiter's Daughter on 27.06.2007 at 19:27 [UT+1]:
wiht air for calculation, or Cappy. perhaps moon/mercury aspects? I see moon pluto as manipulation of emotions/emotional blackimail,power/control issues in relatonships, esp with Mom.

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You are completely right! As I was just commenting I an an aquarius with moon-merc in cap and as I said I am
both calculating and cunning. But again, that doesn not make me evil. GOod and bad is in the application of
aspects.
If I were of evil intent, yes I would be a dangerous enemy. My cancer asc gives me even more info about
people without interaction.
The moon pluto aspects re mom is 100% true too. I am the mother of a child with moon conj pluto in the firstsquare saturn in the 4th and mars in the 10th and its been no cake walk let me tell ya.
Everytime she started needing to control everything with which she would forge ahead no matter what I did or
said, My aquarian side would become very very sad. Sad that her goal was winning at all costs including myemotional and mental wellness.
After 10 years alone with a child like this I was inches from dead. We took a breather, survived and agreed that
we do better when we are not in the same house! Sadly.

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« Reply #13 - on: 30.06.2007 at 13:12 [UT+1] »Hey Believer,It's neat to see the moms of the kids w/this aspect. This makes for such a difficult child! I am reading aninteresting book called Hades Moon by Judy Hall. While very eye-opening it's more from the child's point ofPosts: 1152

view and more or less blames mom/family for ALL of the moon pluto person's problems. This is not a complete
picture because of the sheer force of will and need for absolute control on the part of moon pluto. To parent achild like this takes every ounce of forgiveness, patience and prayer that a parent can muster. Can you tell I'm
having a hard time??
I have never felt the range of emotions before that I have felt while parenting thischild. Interactions are never boring!
Moon pluto has a tendancy to push so hard that the whole family ends up in Hades, much to mom's surpriseand dismay. I believe moon pluto is on a quest of go to hell and back and will drag the dormant beast out ofpeople in order to fullfil this journey. This could be the aspect of a person that tends to bring the worst out inthe person with whom they have contact.
I'm an aquarian, too. Out of curiousity, in what sign is your daughter's moon pluto conjunction?

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« Reply #14 - on: 30.06.2007 at 16:50 [UT+1] »You will appreciate me all the more when I tell you SCORPIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A very intelligent Gemini with jam packed scorpio just behind her face!.
THat is how I describe her.

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Gender:Luckily these kids have US Aquarian mom's to explain every little detail about the way the world works.
It does say they bring out the worst in people somewhere. Also with her Gemini competing constantly withthis wise old aquarian...there is nothing she does not try to pull that I do not see and therefore she getsmadder that I can read her like that. She has finally surrendered to the fact that I am more (smarter wiser
richer) than she and now I am her hero!
THe rational part of Gemini helps and my understanding of human psychology has helped too. She still lives inanother house though!
I once told her "Mommy never knows what time it is, can't find her keys or forgets to make dinner but I will tell
you one thing, there is nothing that you do think or feel that will ever get past me!"She screamed so loud for so long one time she broke a blood vessel in her throat and spit blood all over her
crib!!!!! And me....matter of fact cap moon that I am I say, Well darling now you've gone and done it and you
will have to deal with doctors probing at you (which she so hates) and wisked her off to emergency.
She has seen how destructive she can be and I think that it scares her a little. As I said she has both a mars
square and a saturn square to it too. I told her once
"Darling if you are trying to figure out wether you can destroy me or not let me save you the energy...you canand you will and then you can live the rest of your life without your best friend...how does that sound to you?"
Its been hell. But she is very intelligent so I can explain things to her now and it helps a whole lot.
How about yours....what sign are they in?

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« Reply #15 - on: 30.06.2007 at 20:41 [UT+1] »I have Aries moon opposite Pluto in the 8th. I know I was hell on wheels for my mom, and our relationshipwas...challenging.
I've always found I'm more willful than calculating. When I was around one and a half my mom came in and I
had used my spoon to splash oatmeal all over myself, the floor, the walls, the ceiling. She says I looked her inthe eye and said "I did do it. I want to do it. I will do it."
I do however find it easy to spot calculating behavior in other people. Which, as you can probably guess,doesn't work very well with me.

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« Reply #16 - on: 01.07.2007 at 15:39 [UT+1] »Believer,My son's chart is posted further up in this thread, his moon pluto conjunction is in sag in the 12th. My son is a
Gemini like your daughter.
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Did you have a hard birth? Was there something traumatic about that time in your life? I had a VERY hard time
having my son (very typically pluto moon) and then had post partum that prevented me from bonding w/him
for awhile. They say that the soul coming in with this is so hesitant to enter the world that the trauma begins
at birth!
Does your daughter have psychic tendencies? My son does. He's an old soul type and has piercing wise eyes. He
and I have a soul mate feel that I've never felt w/another. His nepture is on my sun. I'm sure we've been
through many lifetimes together! Hopefully we'll get it right this time.
I would recommend that Hades Moon book to you as it might help w/your relationship w/your daughter. My
son is secretive and private and, after reading the book, I realized I was doing exactly what drives a wedge
between mom and child w/hades moon - asking a blue million questions! (Very aquarian, you know!) The childfeels that mom is constantly invading their space and there's nowhere to hide. I have to reign it in and allow
him his emotional space. There's something compulsive about this aspect that pushes mom to be all knowing
and all seeing, making the child even more secretive and attempting to put up boundries. It's the boundryissue that mom usually needs to work on. I feel all of these things and am attemping to keep things in balanceand be aware of my tendencies to overwhelm him. The child can certainly do this to the parent as well. It's allabout boundries between parent and child w/this aspect.
Incidently, have you done a midpoint composite chart of the two of you? His and my composite blew my mind!
We had a moon pluto conjunction in Scorpio in the 8th, for God's sake! (So he has hades moon in his personal
chart AND we have it in our composite!) But it was in a kite formation w/lots of trines, so I'm taking that as agood sign. The intensity will not go away, we'll just have to find better ways to use the energy than sucking thelife out of each other!
The relationship is a daily stuggle but the highs are the highest...and the lows, well, you know what I mean!

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« Reply #17 - on: 01.07.2007 at 22:46 [UT+1] »Quote from Junebug on 01.07.2007 at 15:39 [UT+1]:
Believer,My son's chart is posted further up in this thread, his moon pluto conjunction is in sag in the 12th. My son is a Gemini like your daughter.

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Gender:Did you have a hard birth? Was there something traumatic about that time in your life? I had a VERY hard time having my son (verytypically pluto moon) and then had post partum that prevented me from bonding w/him for awhile. They say that the soul coming in withthis is so hesitant to enter the world that the trauma begins at birth!
Does your daughter have psychic tendencies? My son does. He's an old soul type and has piercing wise eyes. He and I have a soul matefeel that I've never felt w/another. His nepture is on my sun. I'm sure we've been through many lifetimes together! Hopefully we'll get it
right this time.
I would recommend that Hades Moon book to you as it might help w/your relationship w/your daughter. My son is secretive and private
and, after reading the book, I realized I was doing exactly what drives a wedge between mom and child w/hades moon - asking a blue
million questions! (Very aquarian, you know!) The child feels that mom is constantly invading their space and there's nowhere to hide. I
have to reign it in and allow him his emotional space. There's something compulsive about this aspect that pushes mom to be all knowing
and all seeing, making the child even more secretive and attempting to put up boundries. It's the boundry issue that mom usually needs
to work on. I feel all of these things and am attemping to keep things in balance and be aware of my tendencies to overwhelm him. The
child can certainly do this to the parent as well. It's all about boundries between parent and child w/this aspect.
Incidently, have you done a midpoint composite chart of the two of you? His and my composite blew my mind! We had a moon pluto
conjunction in Scorpio in the 8th, for God's sake! (So he has hades moon in his personal chart AND we have it in our composite!) But it
was in a kite formation w/lots of trines, so I'm taking that as a good sign. The intensity will not go away, we'll just have to find betterways to use the energy than sucking the life out of each other!
The relationship is a daily stuggle but the highs are the highest...and the lows, well, you know what I mean!

Oh ya a million questions, moralizing all the way. But she does tell me everything (more than I want to know
now at 14!!!!) And she feels guilty for holding back, wouln't lie to me if her life depended on it! It worked!
HA HA HA
I'll be sure to pick up the book and have a read.
Hats off to you kamikaze mom!!!!! I don't feel so alone now. No body truely understood this challenge andblamed most of it on me, unitl they had to babysit her that is.!
Yes her birth was hard and resulted in a bandels band (when the muscles of your uterus petrify and keep her inresulting in a t-cut. At least now I don't feel like it was my fault.
When praying to god and asking him why me? Why did you give this harsh child to me when you know I am
soft and not into noise and fighting...the answer I got was without strong moral upbringing she would be
deadly.
Thank you so much for your post.
Sounds like they are made for eachother. Maybe we should get them together and sell tickets! Ha Ha.....sorry
just wired from a long day.
Talk soon
Deborah
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« Reply #18 - on: 03.07.2007 at 15:52 [UT+1] »Hi all! My son has moon conjunct pluto. I do notice the instinctual/gut reactions from him. He is very
sagitarrian (sp?) and tends to be laid back and goofy, but if you change things up and do something out ofschedule he freaks and reacts emotionally. He does like to be bossy and needs to be reminded of who the bossis on occasion. He also has tons of questions, but I assumed that was just a kid thing or maybe the sagittarius
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It doesn't really bother me too much, maybe because I have tons of planets in scorpio. I just try and explainchanges in advance or as they are happening and he does alright. He does drive his father to distraction
though.
Interesting comments about difficult labors. I had a 42 hour labor. He was facing the wrong way which caused
some intense back labor pain.
Edited to add that most people in my age bracket have their pluto opposite MY moon, so maybe I am just used
to this energy.

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« Reply #19 - on: 03.07.2007 at 15:56 [UT+1] »May be it just makes someone calculating because they are tired and get tired of all these intense emotions...
Calculating seem then to be a much more easy approach

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Daughter« Reply #20 - on: 04.07.2007 at 01:57 [UT+1] »MemberQuote from Junebug on 30.06.2007 at 13:12 [UT+1]:

Moon pluto has a tendancy to push so hard that the whole family ends up in Hades, much to mom's surprise and dismay. I believe moon
pluto is on a quest of go to hell and back and will drag the dormant beast out of people in order to fullfil this journey. This could be theaspect of a person that tends to bring the worst out in the person with whom they have contact.

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Junebug - when dealing wiht transcendentals, the effect can be expressed or projected meaning that it MIGHT
be the child or it MIGHT be Mom - in my case, I had the Mother from heck. I've never met anyone as plutonic
as she, and not in a NICE way! Also not everyone has to go through the troublesome expressions of a planets
energy. Moi, with my moon pluto sextile forming the base of a yod - I was a very responsibleand decent child,and all I wanted was for us to be happy and play nice together....but my 8th house moon sesxtile pluto/MC
came in handy when I worked as an addictions counselor!
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« Reply #21 - on: 04.07.2007 at 03:22 [UT+1] »Quote from Wicked6 on 03.07.2007 at 15:56 [UT+1]:
May be it just makes someone calculating because they are tired and get tired of all these intense emotions...
Calculating seem then to be a much more easy approach

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Gender:Interesting because now that I think of it, it is her who makes me (mom) calculating. Because one must thinkand plan before they speak to these kids lest they face spontaneous emotional wrath. I think that with moon
pluto aspects the signs must really be considered. My daughters is in scorpio which made it emotionallydestructing to the extreme. Other signs would not be so intense perhaps.
After parenting her, not much phases me. I am not sure if its because I am numb or because I have a higher
pain tolerance after so many years.
We manage much better now.

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« Reply #22 - on: 04.07.2007 at 14:17 [UT+1] »Jupiter's Daughter,
True! Over the years, I have thought so hard on this on. I think it's both the mom and the child, sometimes

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more mom, sometimes more child. And you're right, I can only speak from my experience as I'm sure there arereally good kids with pluto moon issues that have really bad moms. This is a big aspect w/adopted kids. I thinkit manefests in many ways, but the pluto moon person will have to experience it somehow and from someone.
Also, this seems to be inherited, something of a family legacy. My father had pluto moon conjunct in the 12thsame as my son! (He was very intense and raw.)
I had an amazing childhood! I have moon, jupiter and uranus in libra conjunct in a tight stelluim and, mom
was a libra! I don't have anything but great aspects to my moon and had always had a close relationship w/mymom. Nothing plutonian about her. I never had a tantrum, never had a timeout when I was a child! My earliest
memories are of my mom talking so sweet to me. It was just a GREAT childhood, full of laughter and light.
Soooo........when I had my intense, screaming tantruming very headstrong child, I was a bit lost. It took mesome time to realize that everything I had to draw on from my past didn't work. I'm in brand new territory
and, at times, a bit lost.
The "dark side" that we all have and try to keep hidden (and maybe even deny) comes out under certaintransits and w/certain people. I have learned more about that side of my self through my son. Actually, fromlooking at our midpoint comparison chart, I'm so certain we're together to figure it all out. Would you like to
see our comparison? Maybe you could give me your view.
Anyway, yes, the mom and the pluto moon child are locked in the mess together, probably bringing out theworst (and sometimes the best) in each other. I refuse to walk through this without being armed w/knowledge
as I can see so easily how it (I) can sink to plutonian depths - my son is not the only player in this!

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« Reply #23 - on: 08.07.2007 at 17:30 [UT+1] »Quote from Junebug on 29.06.2007 at 13:49 [UT+1]:
I have a son that has this (very close conjunction in sag in the 12th) and he can be extremely manipulative and has major control issues.
He has deep instinctual responses and is most definitely cunning. (Gemini sun) As far as calculating, I don't know if I would describe himas that yet although I can see it as a possibility as he get's older and wiser. It seems like most of his "issues" are coming from instinct(south node in Scorpio) so I don't know if he'll ever be calculating. Hopefully, as he grows wiser, he'll be a little less instinctual and a lot

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Any insight and advice on handling moon/pluto, please do tell! There is much more to this conjunction/aspect than mother issues.

Looks like your boy is trying to sort things out internally. When he sees his mother and father, is it aharmonious relationship?
Sun opposition Moon/Pluto. The moon has a nice trine to Jupiter, however, so a little self-knowledge throughlife experiences or education should settle that teeter-totter of a ride.
It's not an easy combination.
Personally, I have Moon in Scorpio (1st H) squaring Sun/Mercury/Pluto in Leo (10th H). I have experienced thegood and the bad about control issues. I have learned early in life that some of the negative things I did leftme with a bad feeling and that, by hurting others, I hurt myself.
Also, I had a lot of issues with people (father, husbands) that tried to control my every thought and action. It
took me a few years to figure things out for myself.
Be patient with your son. Be the Jupiter that he needs. Moon/Pluto can transform itself in a positive way.
Good luck!
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« Reply #24 - on: 08.07.2007 at 21:05 [UT+1] »Both my daughters have Moon-pluto conjunct and they are very different.
My oldest has moon-pluto conjunct in Scorpio in 3rd house. She is not willful or calculating at all. She has virgo
rising, Sag Sun in 4th. She always does what she is told and never gets into trouble. She is more emotionally
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My youngest has moon/conjunct pluto in Scorpio in 8th house. SHe is so-o-o strong willed and can be very
manipulative. She has Cap sun in 10th and Aries rising. She can be quite difficult to deal with. Very controlling,
has to have things her way.
I can so relate to everything that Junebug and Believer wrote already. Very trying and emotionally draining.
But I have some similiar aspects so I don't take her behaviors personally and she can be as loving as she can bedifficult.
When I am really tired and don't have the energy to go head to head with her and she is being especiallydifficult so I just cave in, I sense fear in her-- even though she is freaking out and saying that she wants to be
in control, i think it really scares the crap out of her that she has that much power and its frightening to her.
We can have some pretty big battles and yelling matches but we are both able to quickly put it behind us,
apologize and hug and laugh about it afterwards.
Even though I have a close relationship with both girls I almost feel a little bit closer with the "difficult" dtr. We
are both Cap suns, Scorp moons, and I have mars on the asc and she aries rising. We are emotional and weboth have tempers but we connect very deeply. My oldest is so sweet and gentle but more emotionally distant.

I will have to read that book you wrote about believer because I probably do exactly what you wrote about withyour son. I ask a million questions but I am trying to get her to open up and connect with her emotionally but
it sounds like according to that book she just really needs her space.
Who knew parenting would be so hard? No one told me you had to parent each child differently.

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« Reply #25 - on: 09.07.2007 at 14:52 [UT+1] »I have Moon / Pluto conjunct in Scorpio on my ascendant (square my Cap sun). I am not close to my mother atall, but from what she has told me, i was a quick and easy birth. The more i think about this influence, themore i am lead to believe that it can work to push the individual to want to 'disconnect'.
Just a thought...

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« Reply #26 - on: 09.07.2007 at 15:53 [UT+1] »Hello to all,I have in my Natal Chart this less important aspect Moon-Pluto.
I must tell to all, they use Solar Return, that to have Moon trine Pluto in Solar Return is something best for the
next year.
I had it five times till now (not many), but I will remember those years as very good.
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« Reply #27 - on: 09.07.2007 at 15:57 [UT+1] »rosebugs I suspect that the level of itensity you enjoy with daughter #2 is waaaay over the top for a virgo asc sag sun,with or without that moon/pluto conjunction. she may feel that with her sis and you, that a little goes a
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loongg way. depending on teh rest of the chart, what you and D#2 view as normal conflict resolution, she may
experience as traumatic....

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Re: Moon-Pluto aspect makes one calculating?
« Reply #28 - on: 10.07.2007 at 21:29 [UT+1] »Merlin 9 - I would say there is tension in mine and hubby's relationship, yes. (Moon Sun opposition?)
I like how you figured out how hurting others is also harmful to yourself. Sounds like you're rooting out the

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distructiveness that seems to be ever so present with this combo. Thanks for your encouraging words. I'm
working on being that jupiter.
Rosbugs My relationship is very similar to what you describe w/your youngest. His intensity blows my mind.
He can get so riled up that he's shaking and, at 4 years old, we think he might have a heart attack! But he's
very loving, so sweet really. But he has the strength and endurence of 10 grown men. He's amazingly strong
willed. If he can only channel all of that intensity into good things, he'll be quite the man. But we're very closeand just generally like each other. We have a deep bond that has a soul-mate feel.
A lesson for me was learning how to forgive. Forgiveness is a big deal in our relationship. My son and I BOTH
remind each other to forgive and move on. I think it's a positive sign that you and younger daughter are able
to do this. There's something about the intensity of this combo that makes the "wrongs" on both sides more
extreme/wrong and therefore forgiveness is a big asset w/pluto moon moms and children, IMO. Everything
about this combo and the relationships w/family is just "more." More of everything...
I know exactly what you mean when you state your reasons for asking alot of questions to your older daughter.
We want to be close, we want to be a part of their lives and they seem so distant and private. Your reasons arecompletely above board. It's this dang pluto moon that distorts everything. You'll have to accept that she may
never want to give up her feelings and pushing will only drive her away. She may remain a closed book to you
and other's as well - scorpio moon is very private anyway, as you know! If you back off, she may get closer toyou. If not, then she has her reasons and she'll have to be able to be left alone. Very hard, (but possible!) for
mom's of pluto moon children to do. It's a biggy, thou. I remind myself all of the time to give my son somespace and privacy.
Don't beat yourself up about parenting and mistakes you think you've made. It is so hard. When you know
better, you do better. Same for both your girls! Good luck and don't hesitate to send me a PM if you want totalk. Oh and yeah, that book Hades Moon, Judy Hall, will open your eyes to many hidden truths
J. Hall is amoon pluto in scorpio and she devotes much to this combo. And, by the way, just having moon in scorpio(without pluto moon combo) puts you in the catagory of Hades Moon by itself!
Good luck....

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« Reply #29 - on: 10.07.2007 at 21:47 [UT+1] »a moon-pluto aspect would suggest you are born with the sense that life is not that safe, our sense of personalsafety usually stems from 'mother' thus it's interpretation that 'mother isn't safe', for some this can be quite
terrifying and will inevitably lead to the need to control, hit back, etc to persuade yourself you have somepower.
I'd have thought if you have this aspect you need to develop a good understading of it's influence to help form
satisfying personal relationships in adulthood.
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« Reply #30 - on: 11.07.2007 at 03:51 [UT+1] »Jupiter's daughter you are sooo right. I have always been able to see that what is just nl for me and myyoungest is extremely disturbing for my oldest. I really try to tone it down with her and try to mellow her sisterout with her as well. Poor thing.

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Gender:Junebug, thankyou for your input. I will definately pick up that book-Maybe I will learn more about my own
Scorpio moon. I have definately noticed that when I give my oldest dtr space she comes closer as you
mentioned.
It's a continual learning process I guess.

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« Reply #31 - on: 11.07.2007 at 04:32 [UT+1] »I know someone with Moon/Pluto conjunct in Libra in 10th house. He had emotional problems growing up andwas raised bya grandmother while his birth mother kinda lived her own life. Even when she lived close by to
him they never had a traditional son/mother relationship and he preffered living with his grandmother.
The conjunction is opposite mercury and he is always putting his foot in his mouth.I have never seen someone
get in such trouble for voicing thier opininon. Everything to him is on a gut/instinct level. Ther are very few
people in life that he will just trust without thinking they will stab him in the back at some point in time.

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