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Doh-Ray-Me
Ex MemberChildren« on: 14.06.2007 at 12:30 [UT+1] »I'm hoping to have children and this got me thinking about astrology and this topic. I wonder what you all
think about some of the questions it raises.
* Would you ever try to go for or avoid a particular chart aspect, or even a certain sun sign? Perhaps a sun sign
isn't overly compatible with either parent's suns? Perhaps there's a sign you'd love to have. Would that be acase of 'careful what you wish for, you might get it?! LOL* If a child's chart suggests certain things about a parent, the parents relationship, or their childhood
environment, how would you feel about this and handle it?
* Are certain things said about pregnancies and labour with certain signs? I heard (Lunsted?) that pisceans may
come into this world with a difficult labour and may have an early serious childhood illness.
* Do you think certain sun signs are more likely to have certain elements/signs as parents? Do you believecertain astro patterns run in families (Without the thread going off in that direction which is another topic
really)* What do you consider the rights and wrongs of using astro family planning?
* What were your own experiences of relating an interest in astrology with trying for kids, pregnancy etc.? For
example, did you think "OMG! What have I done? I'm having an x sun, y moon, z rising!
Or were you surprised at how diffferent the children were to your expectations?
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Re: Children« Reply #1 - on: 14.06.2007 at 12:53 [UT+1] »Quote from Doh-Ray-Me on 14.06.2007 at 12:30 [UT+1]:
I'm hoping to have children and this got me thinking about astrology and this topic. I wonder what you all think about some of thequestions it raises.
* Would you ever try to go for or avoid a particular chart aspect, or even a certain sun sign? Perhaps a sun sign isn't overly compatible
with either parent's suns? Perhaps there's a sign you'd love to have. Would that be a case of 'careful what you wish for, you might get it?!
LOL

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Gender:* If a child's chart suggests certain things about a parent, the parents relationship, or their childhood environment, how would you feel
about this and handle it?
* Are certain things said about pregnancies and labour with certain signs? I heard (Lunsted?) that pisceans may come into this world with adifficult labour and may have an early serious childhood illness.
* Do you think certain sun signs are more likely to have certain elements/signs as parents? Do you believe certain astro patterns run infamilies (Without the thread going off in that direction which is another topic really)* What do you consider the rights and wrongs of using astro family planning?
* What were your own experiences of relating an interest in astrology with trying for kids, pregnancy etc.? For example, did you think"OMG! What have I done? I'm having an x sun, y moon, z rising!
Or were you surprised at how diffferent the children were to your expectations?

Is this about having children or some kind of project one is supposed to work on?
There is a saying...'to many cooks spoil the stew' and I wonder if there is something similar that would relate totoo much of child planning.
As for myself, I wasn't interested in astrology then and since it was a 'late' pregnancy by some standards (I wasover 30) we just hoped that everything goes well and that our baby would inherit our best traits.
I guess I also answered some of the questions.
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Re: Children« Reply #2 - on: 14.06.2007 at 13:37 [UT+1] »Quote from Doh-Ray-Me on 14.06.2007 at 12:30 [UT+1]:
I'm hoping to have children and this got me thinking about astrology and this topic. I wonder what you all think about some of thequestions it raises.
* Would you ever try to go for or avoid a particular chart aspect, or even a certain sun sign? Perhaps a sun sign isn't overly compatible
with either parent's suns? Perhaps there's a sign you'd love to have. Would that be a case of 'careful what you wish for, you might get it?!
LOL

Nope never, the chance of falling pregnant and carrying a child to full term is just such a wonderful experience.
It would never even occur to me time conception to meet certain astrological criteria. I really don't thinkastrology should be used in this way. And if you fail to conceive in a certain month do you wait a whole year
before you try again?
Quote:* If a child's chart suggests certain things about a parent, the parents relationship, or their childhood environment, how would you feel
about this and handle it?

I would like to think that I haven't used a chart to go looking for trouble. If I am happy about my parenting,
my relationship with my child and their environment, I don't need to discect those points. However, if I feelthere are problems which could be helped by some insight into my own or my childs chart then I will use it orseek advice on it to complement my own instinctive solutions.
Quote:* Are certain things said about pregnancies and labour with certain signs? I heard (Lunsted?) that pisceans may come into this world with adifficult labour and may have an early serious childhood illness.

I really don't know if you can pin it down to particular signs. In labour you don't give a damn if its an Aries, a
Cancer or an alien, you just want it over with.
Quote:* Do you think certain sun signs are more likely to have certain elements/signs as parents? Do you believe certain astro patterns run infamilies (Without the thread going off in that direction which is another topic really)

Yes this I do believe can happen. I've seen patterns myself in my own family charts and I would be interested
in any research on the subject.
Quote:* What do you consider the rights and wrongs of using astro family planning?

I'm not in favour myself. If others want to use it, then that is their choice.
Quote:* What were your own experiences of relating an interest in astrology with trying for kids, pregnancy etc.? For example, did you think"OMG! What have I done? I'm having an x sun, y moon, z rising!
Or were you surprised at how diffferent the children were to your expectations?

With my first it was fascinating to see if I would have a Sagittarius baby or Capricorn baby that was the extent
of my interest. She was 10 days late and ended up a Cappy girl.
With my second I new she would be a Leo, but I did keep an eye on the Moon position as it passed through thesigns. Not because I had a preference but out of interest and because I wanted to see how it would
complement her Sun. Never once did I think, oh I must have baby today because such and such is happening
in the skys. Or that I must not for that matter.
My children are both typical to there Sun signs, so no surprises there. At around 6 mths for each I started
looking into their birth charts. Partly because they had started developing their personalities and partly
because finally I had some spare moments and was catching up on the beauty sleep.
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Doh-Ray-Me

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Re: Children« Reply #3 - on: 14.06.2007 at 15:24 [UT+1] »(Is this about having children or some kind of project one is supposed to work on?)I'm sun Libra Virgo rising.
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Re: Children« Reply #4 - on: 14.06.2007 at 16:18 [UT+1] »Quote from Doh-Ray-Me on 14.06.2007 at 15:24 [UT+1]:(Is this about having children or some kind of project one is supposed to work on?)I'm sun Libra Virgo rising.

I'm a Libra Sun myself but Leo rising... I suppose a full house and playtime were my main priorities
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Hermes T

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Re: Children« Reply #5 - on: 14.06.2007 at 18:14 [UT+1] »Hi Doh-Ray-Me,
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Would you ever try to go for or avoid a particular chart aspect, or even a certain sun sign?

I cannot remember who at the moment but a famous astrologer once wrote "the price we pay for having sex in
September is giving birth to a Gemini 9 months later."
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Perhaps a sun sign isn't overly compatible with either parent's suns?

The Sun sign is only a part of the story; the elements play a far more significant role.
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Would that be a case of 'careful what you wish for, you might get it?!

The thing here is, it is not just what one consciously wishes for, but what one subconsciously wishes for too.
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If a child's chart suggests certain things about a parent, the parents relationship, or their childhood environment, how would you feel about
this and handle it?

Handle what? I guess by the phrasing of this question there are things about yourself that you would not wish
your child to know? If one understands a chart there is nothing to handle, it is just life. We all have the tools
we were born with, whether we are taught to use them is another matter entirely. Responsible parenting would
be the general answer.
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Are certain things said about pregnancies and labour with certain signs? I heard (Lunsted?) that pisceans may come into this world with adifficult labour and may have an early serious childhood illness.

That would be one in twelve of us then; approximately half a Billion people.
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Do you think certain sun signs are more likely to have certain elements/signs as parents?

There will definitely be a genetic inheritance just as their will be an astrological inheritance but there are too
many permutations for it to be easily foreseen by single sign or element.
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Do you believe certain astro patterns run in families

It is not a question of belief, they do. However, if a parent has a Venus in trine to Saturn it does not mean thatthe child will have the same. Astro signatures should be treated with maximum caution because most of them
are born out of house, sign, aspect relationships; these constitute about .001% of a natal chart.
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What do you consider the rights and wrongs of using astro family planning?

There are no wrongs. Astrology is (among other things) a craft for future planning, if one is qualified enoughand chooses not to use it, I would equate that with only looking one way before crossing a busy road. It
worked perfectly fine for my last two children; and for the fertility clinic I worked at for a number of years, I
only have time these days to help out when they get a difficult chart. Together myself and the clinic havebrought joy to hundreds of couples wanting children, even sometimes when the medical practice had given up
on them.
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What were your own experiences of relating an interest in astrology with trying for kids, pregnancy etc.? For example, did you think"OMG! What have I done? I'm having an x sun, y moon, z rising!

We wanted one or two health problems addressed, we also wanted to choose the sex of our last two children,
and we wanted our children born with the Sun in a specific area in relation to Jupiter & Saturn at the time they
were to be born. Trying to plan a lunar sign is intricately more difficult, the same can be said for the planning
an ascending sign. My daughter is going to give birth in two months to a happy, healthy, bouncing baby boy;am I tempting fate? No, I am working with it. This brings me to my final remark that ancient astrologers used
to use all the time, this was "god willing" and I would apply this phrase to each of the planned concepts I
mentioned.
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Or were you surprised at how diffferent the children were to your expectations?

The trick is to keep ones expectations down to earth and practical, that way one will never be disappointed.
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HT
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Doh-Ray-Me
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Re: Children« Reply #6 - on: 14.06.2007 at 22:43 [UT+1] »Thanks everyone for your thoughts so far. I'd better have a bash at answering my own questions and clarify
what I was thinking about.
Some time ago a poster on another astrological forum had some leeway with the exact time of her child's birth,
due to it being induced. She was able to have a go at avoiding a nasty chart aspect.
With her interest in astrology it was undestandable that as a caring mum she would want to spare her childfeeling the effects of that chart bit in it's life. It was, however a topic that provoked different reactions inposters - some pretty strong.
Would I do it myself? Regardless of whatever the rights and wrongs of it might be, I don't feel knowledgeable
enough about Astrology. I'm learning more gradually over time (even though I don't try very hard!). I'm always
reading more interesting things I'd missed before in books and observing more. Also the chart bits and pieces
often sound like double edged swords, showing benefits as well as potential problems. When taken in isolation
descriptions of chart details can sound half wrong because something here tempers something there. It's all
highly complicated!
* Would I ever try to go for or avoid a certain sun sign? No I wouldn't because of all the variety born under asingle sun and how it's just one part of the whole chart. I am currently trying for a baby and I am leaving theirsun sign to fate. Still, every month I do think I wonder what it would be like to have a XXX sign child? Whatsort of a parent would I be like to that sign? Over the course of the month I might really come around to a sunsign I've not been so keen on in the past. Or I might worry about whether I really do like one of my favourite
signs, and whether I'm not just finding them a bit annoying lately! The calender moves on to the next signand I'll consider whether I'm slightly relieved, or slightly disappointed. It's easy to think that way when you're
not pregnant. I'll be delighted whatever sun sign it is.

* If a child's chart suggests certain things about a parent, the parents relationship, or their childhood
environment, how would you feel about this and handle it?
I should give some quick random examples::"If we take the 4th house to represent the father, he could have been experienced as exceptionally powerful,dark or threatening." (Howard Sasportas on Pluto in the 4th)
"This person is born into a family that finds the status quo difficult to cope with' (Betty Lunsted on mercuryPluto Square)"There is often a death in the family around the time a scorpio is born" (Lunsted, & L. Goodman)"Often Libran children are born at a critical time in the marriage relationship' (Lunsted)

So, whatever sign and sex I had might indicate I was a different mother type personality? Clearly I can't be alldifferent people, so it would suggest I was bound to have had a particular sign child at that time in my life...ordoes it?

* Do you think certain sun signs are more likely to have certain elements/signs as parents? Do you believecertain astro patterns run in families (Without the thread going off in that direction which is another topic
really)I also think there could be something in this and would find it interesting to explore on another thread.
* What do you consider the rights and wrongs of using astro family planning?
I'm very interested in what you said Hermes, as I might well have problems with pregnancy.
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Hermes T

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Re: Children« Reply #7 - on: 15.06.2007 at 00:04 [UT+1] »Hi Doh-Ray-Me,
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Would I ever try to go for or avoid a certain sun sign? No I wouldn't because of all the variety born under a single sun and how it's justone part of the whole chart.

It is not so much avoiding a Sun sign as avoiding (god willing) things like a cardinal square of say the contrary
sect Sun to a contrary sect Saturn because if it fell in the 6th with the Lot of Fortune there would be a strong
likelihood of a very sickly child. No Sun sign is a problem by itself.
Quote:I am currently trying for a baby and I am leaving their sun sign to fate.

Nothing wrong with that, most children are born that way. I wish your pregnancy to go well and that you havea happy, healthy child.
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If we take the 4th house to represent the father, he could have been experienced as exceptionally powerful, dark or threatening." (Howard
Sasportas on Pluto in the 4th)

Here is where we start to diversify. I did learn, and hold the belief that the 4th/10th houses are the significationof ones parents for many years. For some years now though, I have known that the parents are not signified bythose houses at all, that is a very modern misunderstanding.
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So, whatever sign and sex I had might indicate I was a different mother type personality?

There are many ways to read ones mother from a natal chart, no matter when you fell or fall pregnant you
would be emphasized one way or another.
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I'm very interested in what you said Hermes, as I might well have problems with pregnancy.

I hope you have a very happy and safe pregnancy.
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Doh-Ray-Me
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Re: Children« Reply #8 - on: 15.06.2007 at 23:02 [UT+1] »(Here is where we start to diversify. I did learn, and hold the belief that the 4th/10th houses are thesignification of ones parents for many years. For some years now though, I have known that the parents are
not signified by those houses at all, that is a very modern misunderstanding.)

Oh, I just quickly picked out some random quotes from books on any old thing. I don't have an opinion on thatparticular example. (My chart is different to those examples). It's an interesting topic though - Many thanks!
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Re: Children« Reply #9 - on: 05.03.2010 at 02:47 [UT] »Quote from Doh-Ray-Me on 14.06.2007 at 22:43 [UT+1]:
Thanks everyone for your thoughts so far. I'd better have a bash at answering my own questions and clarify what I was thinking about.
Some time ago a poster on another astrological forum had some leeway with the exact time of her child's birth, due to it being induced.
She was able to have a go at avoiding a nasty chart aspect.
With her interest in astrology it was undestandable that as a caring mum she would want to spare her child feeling the effects of that chart
bit in it's life. It was, however a topic that provoked different reactions in posters - some pretty strong.
Would I do it myself? Regardless of whatever the rights and wrongs of it might be, I don't feel knowledgeable enough about Astrology. I'mlearning more gradually over time (even though I don't try very hard!). I'm always reading more interesting things I'd missed before inbooks and observing more. Also the chart bits and pieces often sound like double edged swords, showing benefits as well as potential
problems. When taken in isolation descriptions of chart details can sound half wrong because something here tempers something there. It's
all highly complicated!
* Would I ever try to go for or avoid a certain sun sign? No I wouldn't because of all the variety born under a single sun and how it's justone part of the whole chart. I am currently trying for a baby and I am leaving their sun sign to fate. Still, every month I do think I wonder
what it would be like to have a XXX sign child? What sort of a parent would I be like to that sign? Over the course of the month I mightreally come around to a sun sign I've not been so keen on in the past. Or I might worry about whether I really do like one of my favourite
signs, and whether I'm not just finding them a bit annoying lately! The calender moves on to the next sign and I'll consider whether I'mslightly relieved, or slightly disappointed. It's easy to think that way when you're not pregnant. I'll be delighted whatever sun sign it is.

* If a child's chart suggests certain things about a parent, the parents relationship, or their childhood environment, how would you feel
about this and handle it?
I should give some quick random examples::"If we take the 4th house to represent the father, he could have been experienced as exceptionally powerful, dark or threatening."(Howard Sasportas on Pluto in the 4th)
"This person is born into a family that finds the status quo difficult to cope with' (Betty Lunsted on mercury-Pluto Square)"There is often a death in the family around the time a scorpio is born" (Lunsted, & L. Goodman)"Often Libran children are born at a critical time in the marriage relationship' (Lunsted)

So, whatever sign and sex I had might indicate I was a different mother type personality? Clearly I can't be all different people, so it
would suggest I was bound to have had a particular sign child at that time in my life...or does it?

* Do you think certain sun signs are more likely to have certain elements/signs as parents? Do you believe certain astro patterns run infamilies (Without the thread going off in that direction which is another topic really)
I also think there could be something in this and would find it interesting to explore on another thread.
* What do you consider the rights and wrongs of using astro family planning?
I'm very interested in what you said Hermes, as I might well have problems with pregnancy.

"Often Libran children are born at a critical time in the marriage relationship", as a Libra Sun, I find that
intriguing. Though my Sun in Libra trines my Moon in Gemini, so I don't know if I really was born at a criticaltime in my parents marriage or not.
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Linda Harris
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Re: Children« Reply #10 - on: 05.03.2010 at 02:57 [UT] »Like everything else in life, maybe someone could pull this off...but what if the child came earlier than
expected?
I had my children by emergency Caesarean section. I couldn't have changed anything.
I think the very best insurance, besides being fertile and healthy and not drinking alcohol or smoking during
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pregnancy, is to love the father of the child at the moment of conception, and bring the child into a warm,
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Re: Children« Reply #11 - on: 05.03.2010 at 08:52 [UT] »If I was having a child I would go natural (meaning no astrology), I don't want to impede nature, sometimes
tinkering too much has a way of backfiring. But each parent is different in this regard. I am sure astrology wasused in the past for the Monarchy and other high officials, so its not like it will cause harm per say, I think its
more morally based I guess.
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Re: Children« Reply #12 - on: 05.03.2010 at 19:13 [UT] »This is an entertaining discussion. 30 years ago, I could have been the one asking the questions.
My first child (a surprise) had a due date in early December. We were thrilled, here we were, 2 triple sagittarius
iii about to produce a 3rd! in fact, there was a stellium... well, my son had other ideas and was insteadborn a month early (not a preemie) a triple SCORPIO!
Curiously, my second labor which produced my Pisces son (yeah, what's up with these watery kids anyway??!)lasted 30 hours. No complications, he just waited until the moon turned new...
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Squidgel

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Re: Children« Reply #13 - on: 05.03.2010 at 21:18 [UT] »My son got 'stuck' for a few hours during labour, so he could be born with his Asc conjunct his father's stellium
in h.
That is part of who he is. They have a mind of their own!! Playing God just doesn't work.
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Gender:Anyway, having kids is as much a learning experience for you, and you'll learn much more if you're taken out ofyour comfort zone. Like Genoveffa who had two water babies.
Or in the case of my mum, she was onto her 4th baby, she thought it would be a walk in the park, and her baby
had Aspergers and autism.
Good luck anyway. My sister-in-law has just announced she's pregnant, and my first reaction was to reach forthe ephemeris. But no - what will be, will be!

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Genetrix« Reply #14 - on: 05.03.2010 at 22:52 [UT] »MemberNeither of my children were "planned" and I had natural, unmedicated childbirths with both. They are bothdA and the son has a hB with Ce and my daughter, 9 years younger almost to the day, has JmB and

De with h ASC. She went two weeks past her due date! I held my breath when the Moon was in Scorpio andthen sighed a HUGE sigh of relief when it moved into Sagittarius-- and announced, "OK, you can come now!"
LOL! She had the LAST laugh on me when I realized her Moon was conjunct Pluto!!!
and had h ASC!!!
You can try to control the birth date and time but that won't control everything in the chart. First of all, youhave little control over the conception time-- I mean-- sure you can plan that part too but you can't MAKE
conception happen. You can't control all the variables--- they will end up with some planet on the angles orsome intense aspect between two planets--- they will end up with what they need (and you need!) to grow as aperson.
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Re: Children« Reply #15 - on: 07.03.2010 at 21:03 [UT] »I would not plan for a sign because there are no lines drawn in the sky; rather, a handful of fixed stars. Who
could imagine Scorpio without Shaula?
OTOH, Fomalhaut at 4 Pisces does have to do with congenital birth defects and Alioth @ 9 Virgo is said to be
problems with pregnancy.
The only astro planning I would use is time of day. Even then, if you go for one thing you're most likely going
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Gender:to be losing something else. Destiny does have its sway. Speaking of which I recently heard a familiar voice in
my head say, 'We have a destiny for you, all your own'. Gave me a lonely feeling.
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