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capricornianaries
MemberTemporal Lobe Epilepsy« on: 12.09.2008 at 22:56 [UT+1] »Hey...I wondered if anyone here has any familiarity with this disease, and if there are any astrological indicators.
Thanks!

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #1 - on: 12.09.2008 at 22:59 [UT+1] »Or any kind of epilepsy at all, actually.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #2 - on: 13.09.2008 at 04:02 [UT+1] »My friend Jacob had epilepsy,i do not know which type of epilepsy he had? I remember reading in "dynamics of
the unconcious", Liz Greene mentioned briefly that she often felt the square between pisces and gemini could
be an indicator of epilepsy? This does not produce epilepsy in every one but considering other aspects there
could be a possibility of epilepsy.My friend jacob had l sun square saturn in gemini,gemini on the sixth housecusp,he also had mars in gemini in the sixth house opposite neptune.
A question i have for you?, do you have epilepsy?
My friend Jacob died in July this year, he had a seizure on his own and suffocated. I will miss him alot.
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #3 - on: 13.09.2008 at 04:07 [UT+1] »Epilepsy is not a disease.Epilepsy is a short circuit in the brain, an electrical storm that happens usually whenthe effected person is 'stressed'.It is a neurological disorder.Epilepsy is not contagious either.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #4 - on: 13.09.2008 at 17:20 [UT+1] »I am epileptic, with both grand and petit mal seizures. My seizures started 6 years ago and lasted 3 years nonstop; I haven't had a seizure in 3 years, but that's only because I am being VERY careful not to overwork or
stress myself out too much.
Incidentally, the seizures started when O in k was o my natal h O and n my natal e E (a is my 6th houseruler).

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #5 - on: 13.09.2008 at 23:20 [UT+1] »hey,
Do you remember what page she mentions epilepsy on? I have that book but wasn't able to find the part you
mention.
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I really need to find out if I have temporal lobe epilepsy or not, I don't know. It's the kind that mostly
manifests in mental symptoms, hallucinations and vivid images, things I have experience with. But last week I
had a real and severe physical seizure too, so I don't know exactly know what's going on. My Mercury iscertainly friendly with the outer planets, it's in Pisces square Uranus and in Pluto's 8th house, so I feel likethat's the root of whatever's going on.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #6 - on: 14.09.2008 at 01:10 [UT+1] »it would be gud for you to put your chart up capricornanaries.i will put jacobs chart up.it will probably take mea day 2 upload the chart.One thing i am certain of, you have a very sensitive body and mind,often you asborb
other peoples energy and think it is your own and your body takes the toll?

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #7 - on: 14.09.2008 at 04:13 [UT+1] »many years ago, i had a manic episode....I was put on a medication for epileptics (?????????)
so perhaps epilepsy and mental illness can be seen in somewhat the same way...........
(i had a major uranus transit at the time of the mania...... it sat on my asc, neptune was on my moon andsun.....sun was transiting natal uranus......perhaps you can get something outta that!
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #8 - on: 14.09.2008 at 05:04 [UT+1] »Quote from Alchemic on 14.09.2008 at 04:13 [UT+1]:
many years ago, i had a manic episode....I was put on a medication for epileptics (?????????)
so perhaps epilepsy and mental illness can be seen in somewhat the same way...........
(i had a major uranus transit at the time of the mania...... it sat on my asc, neptune was on my moon and sun.....sun was transiting natal
uranus......perhaps you can get something outta that!

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I was on a mood stabilizer last year, called Lamictal; the fucking idiot psychiatrists didn't catch that was allergic
even though I kept telling them ALLERGY SOUNDING SYMPTOMS- finally they discovered it and took me off- I
had partial seisurzes for a while afterwards. I was afraid that I would have them for forever so I tried killingmyselfLater on, said group of psychiatrists said those symptoms I was having were "delusional" and not real- eventhough they took me off of it. Liars? Yeah, I'd say so too.
Anticonvulsants have been proven to help some of those with bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, etc- but I
believe that they should be taken off the market for those and only should be used for epilepsy, period.
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #9 - on: 14.09.2008 at 05:27 [UT+1] »I take loads of medications that are anti -epilepsy ; for mental health reasons ; but one scary thing is that I ve
recently come off Sodium Valporate and Im getting these headshocks . There like electric shocks in the head ,like zaps . The Doctor says they are just temporary and will go away with time .... Im starting to wonder if they
are minor epileptic episodes brought on by the medication ... Most mental illness is frontal lobe disorder stuff (especially the heriditary factor ) so I guess they know what they are doing .... Astrological wise , I do have astellium in the 6th in Gemini ( sun , venus , mars ) . Mars in the 6th might have something to do with it , cos
sun and venus in the 6th isnt too bad a placement .... But Mars , mmm .... could be the culprit ... Oh well at
least Im getting better and stopped smoking crack now for nearly 7 months and no smak rat stuff for 7 months
either ... Obviously self medication at the time ; cos i dont miss the street drugs .
peace daylight .
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #10 - on: 14.09.2008 at 06:42 [UT+1] »Hi,My mum has temporal lobe epilepsy. She takes Epilem and only occasionally has break through "attacks", after
she has had a build up of stress usually.
I have posted her chart so you might be able to see some common ground. I don't know her birth time, only
date and birthplace. Let me know if you have any questions about her condition.
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #11 - on: 14.09.2008 at 07:05 [UT+1] »This is jacobs birth chart.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #12 - on: 14.09.2008 at 07:10 [UT+1] »Quote from daylight rx on 14.09.2008 at 05:27 [UT+1]:
I take loads of medications that are anti -epilepsy ; for mental health reasons ; but one scary thing is that I ve recently come off Sodium
Valporate and Im getting these headshocks . There like electric shocks in the head , like zaps . The Doctor says they are just temporary
and will go away with time .... Im starting to wonder if they are minor epileptic episodes brought on by the medication ... Most mental
illness is frontal lobe disorder stuff ( especially the heriditary factor ) so I guess they know what they are doing .... Astrological wise , I do
have a stellium in the 6th in Gemini ( sun , venus , mars ) . Mars in the 6th might have something to do with it , cos sun and venus in
the 6th isnt too bad a placement .... But Mars , mmm .... could be the culprit ... Oh well at least Im getting better and stopped smoking
crack now for nearly 7 months and no smak rat stuff for 7 months either ... Obviously self medication at the time ; cos i dont miss thestreet drugs .
peace daylight .

Aaah, Sodium Valporate- what was it, was it Depakote? When I was coming off of Lamictal it did more thanthat to me, but I definitely know now that it was an adverse allergic reaction; I did feel those head shocks
though and my doc was stupid enough not to inform me of anything like that.
and miss "science". Haha, not even science- fucking @#$#@%science to me.

Psychiatry- it's really a hit

My E is in the 9th; I have F in the 6th.
I've been on psychotrophic medicines since I was 14, so 9 years now, but I have definitely self medicated withdrugs and alcohol in the past.
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #13 - on: 14.09.2008 at 07:31 [UT+1] »Aaah, Sodium Valporate- what was it, was it Depakote? When I was coming off of Lamictal it did more thanthat to me, but I definitely know now that it was an adverse allergic reaction; I did feel those head shocks
though and my doc was stupid enough not to inform me of anything like that. Psychiatry- it's really a hit andmiss "science". Haha, not even science- fucking @#$#@%science to me.
My is in the 9th; I have in the 6th.
I've been on psychotrophic medicines since I was 14, so 9 years now, but I have definitely self medicatedwith drugs and alcohol in the past. quote neji

Yeah .. Depakote the US version of British / Australian Sodium Valporate .... Your right about the shrinks .
They keep changing their minds about my diagnosis . One minute im Bi-polar 2 , next minute im a Reactive
Depressive ....
They are bringing me off the Valporate and have me on 6 times 2mg Xanax plus 15ml Valium a day . Quite
pleasant actually . I also take an Opiod pain killer , slow release ( messed up shoulder , spine and arm , caraccident 25 years ago ) Tramadol SR 200mg a day . The shrinks dont know what to do with me . Im going into
Hospital in the next 6 months for extensive tests ; but yeah this whole headshock thing giving me the creeps.... I feel pleasant though and have no desire to hit the streets looking for naughty things . No more self
medication , too stressful and the quality too hit and miss . At least with Mr Roche you know what your getting....
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #14 - on: 14.09.2008 at 07:53 [UT+1] »Quote from daylight rx on 14.09.2008 at 07:31 [UT+1]:

Yeah .. Depakote the US version of British / Australian Sodium Valporate .... Your right about the shrinks . They keep changing theirminds about my diagnosis . One minute im Bi-polar 2 , next minute im a Reactive Depressive ....
They are bringing me off the Valporate and have me on 6 times 2mg Xanax plus 15ml Valium a day . Quite pleasant actually . I also takean Opiod pain killer , slow release ( messed up shoulder , spine and arm , car accident 25 years ago ) Tramadol SR 200mg a day . The
shrinks dont know what to do with me . Im going into Hospital in the next 6 months for extensive tests ; but yeah this whole headshock
thing giving me the creeps .... I feel pleasant though and have no desire to hit the streets looking for naughty things . No more self
medication , too stressful and the quality too hit and miss . At least with Mr Roche you know what your getting ....
peace daylightIck, I think of anticonvulsants as the devil's drug now.
Mmm, Xanex- I need more of that. I've had Valium, one time this year, but it was my friend's roomie that gave
it to me
I was in a horrible even last year and fractured my spine, pelvis and left humerus (not paralyzed,
came real close to it) and the doctors there refuse to give me anymore hydrocodone because in early
December/late November, it will be a year since what happened to me. What the fuck, they have no right to tellme how I feel the pain- they don't have metal in their back, pelvis and arm? Geez, idiots.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #15 - on: 14.09.2008 at 08:09 [UT+1] »Yeah . The whole pain killer thing . The doctors are worried that you will turn around and sue them for
addiction in a years time thats why they are wary of handing it out . Im living in Australia at the moment andhave a great doctor who gives me as much xanax and valium as i want ; but yeah no opiates just opiods (tramadol ) . We get it for free aswell cos the medical system here is pretty generous ( they signed me offchemical dependant , reactive depressive , bi-polar 2 ) . They have referred me to a pain clinic ( thats the
hospital appointment im waiting on ) and once they have done all their tests and have proven that you are
actually living in ridiculous pain , they then handle your pain medication which will either be morphine or
methadone ( gosh , how terrible) ... They are touchy here about oxycodene , too easy grind it up and donaughty things with it ...
Life is strange but I blame mars in the 6th . Yeah and half the doctors you hook up with dont know what they
are doing anyway . They just refer you to specialists . I only trust specialists . GPs give me the creeps ....
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #16 - on: 14.09.2008 at 08:22 [UT+1] »Quote from daylight rx on 14.09.2008 at 08:09 [UT+1]:
Yeah . The whole pain killer thing . The doctors are worried that you will turn around and sue them for addiction in a years time thats why
they are wary of handing it out . Im living in Australia at the moment and have a great doctor who gives me as much xanax and valium
as i want ; but yeah no opiates just opiods ( tramadol ) . We get it for free aswell cos the medical system here is pretty generous ( they
signed me off chemical dependant , reactive depressive , bi-polar 2 ) . They have referred me to a pain clinic ( thats the hospital
appointment im waiting on ) and once they have done all their tests and have proven that you are actually living in ridiculous pain , they
then handle your pain medication which will either be morphine or methadone ( gosh , how terrible) ... They are touchy here about

oxycodene , too easy grind it up and do naughty things with it ...
Life is strange but I blame mars in the 6th . Yeah and half the doctors you hook up with dont know what they are doing anyway . They
just refer you to specialists . I only trust specialists . GPs give me the creeps ....
peace daylight .

im sad that they have you in this predicament...i wish they would ban drugs like valium....most doctors have a
no anxiety medication policy i have found in australia which i think is good....but obviously there are a few who
dont care what they give out.
After my experience with Sodium Valproate (and the rest), i was very keen to get off the drugs, and didwhatever i could.....
I honestly think the government should be spending money on other alternatives to pain
management...pharmaceutical companies and chemical companies almost run the planet...im not supporting
them...(not to mention they havent a clue really about the minute functions of these meds on the humanbrain)
however, after that rant, we should really come back to the topic on hand.....
I am convinced that uranus has something to do with epilepsy.....the whole electricity thing...., but there arealso things like light that can trigger a seizure.......would that be uranus aswell?
I guess we need dates and times of an epileptic having seizures (transits) and then their birth data....how else
are we going to find anything out?
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #17 - on: 14.09.2008 at 09:40 [UT+1] »Alchemic ,I understand what you are saying but some people need to take anti-anxiety drugs like valium and xanax ,pescribed by a proper shrink not a GP or Psychologist ( they cant hand out drugs ) ....
You are correct . Try getting an Australian GP to give you so much as a 2mg Valium and its a stern lecture andthen your shown to the door .
Please dont feel sorry for me . Im glad im off the Sodium Valporate but the xanax and valium are really holding
me together until I get to this Pain clinic . I ve also had a history of anxiety and mental distress , which i wont
go into , cos its way too personal ; but being born with Saturn in the 4th may give you a clue .
Thanks for your concern . I wont be on Xanax / Valium all my life and yes I have Uranus in the 10th house withlots of squares to my personal planets . So maybe your onto something .
All Im saying is that all of us are different and how we medicate is how we are medicated . I just wish thesehead shocks would calm down , cos im convinced they are minor epileptic episodes but the shrink says they willsubside . Im actually quite a together person if you met me and im a bright gemini but im going through aperiod of life that requires some medical attention cos my 12th house Pluto transit ( ended 8 months ago )took me to some strange places .
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Ex Member« Reply #18 - on: 14.09.2008 at 10:10 [UT+1] »daylight....its worrying that you talk about mini head shocks...im no doctor, but those dont seem right......i
also wouldnt be telling just any old psych about them either...they'll end up giving you ECT....
I do know that all these drugs that you describe are playing with the way that synapses releaseneurotransmitters in the brain....and in all honesty, doctors dont have a good idea of how the meds work, onlythat they work for some......(same can be said about epilepsy...they have SOME ideas of how it happens, butthey are limited in certainty)
For me, I think the power of meditation, chakra balancing etc can be extraordinary in circumstances that you
describe.....it worked for me.....i got really clued up on the physiology of what they (the doctors) thought wasgoing on in my brain, and i meditated on trying to control the neurotransmitters myself.....i came along leaps
and bounds educating myself in kind of the same way that the docs were looking at me......obviously the drugs
were needed aswell, but the meditation for me , worked as good as the drugs...and then superseded
them.....the power of intention , in regards to issues of the mind, is astounding........
(not sure if the same can be said of epilepsy, as i have never experienced that and it is not a continual mind
state so i dont know....)
does anyone have any dates of epileptic seizures, that you may of experienced?
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Ex Member« Reply #19 - on: 14.09.2008 at 10:19 [UT+1] »Alchemic ,I really mean this ; but thank you for caring . I know these meds arnt the answer and i will look into
alternatives based around what you talked about .
thank youpeace daylight
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Ex Member« Reply #20 - on: 14.09.2008 at 10:32 [UT+1] »Quote from Alchemic on 14.09.2008 at 10:10 [UT+1]:
For me, I think the power of meditation, chakra balancing etc can be extraordinary in circumstances that you describe.....it worked forme.....i got really clued up on the physiology of what they (the doctors) thought was going on in my brain, and i meditated on trying tocontrol the neurotransmitters myself.....i came along leaps and bounds educating myself in kind of the same way that the docs werelooking at me......obviously the drugs were needed aswell, but the meditation for me , worked as good as the drugs...and then superseded
them.....the power of intention , in regards to issues of the mind, is astounding........
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Yes, the power of your thoughts can shift neurotransmitters in your brain and make you less depressed, moredepressed, etc- but to be able to do it to the point to where you do not need medicine to give you that extra
boost to help, that's... almost unbelievable.
It really depends how badly you are suffering mentally, I personally cannot do without psychotrophic medicine
and I know for a fact that meditation is not enough for me to help.
To each his own though, each brain's chemistry is different than the next- but I do wholeheartedly agree withyou that doctors don't know how medicines really affect our brains; once I was put on an antipsychotic
medicine because an idiot doctor believed I was bipolar (I have GAD and PTSD) and it ended up making me
psychotic since I did not need it.
Psychiatrists can be such quacks, but in my life I still need one
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Ex Member« Reply #21 - on: 14.09.2008 at 11:13 [UT+1] »Quote:
Yes, the power of your thoughts can shift neurotransmitters in your brain and make you less depressed, more depressed, etc- but to beable to do it to the point to where you do not need medicine to give you that extra boost to help, that's... almost unbelievable.
It really depends how badly you are suffering mentally, I personally cannot do without psychotrophic medicine and I know for a fact that
meditation is not enough for me to help.
To each his own though, each brain's chemistry is different than the next- but I do wholeheartedly agree with you that doctors don't know
how medicines really affect our brains; once I was put on an antipsychotic medicine because an idiot doctor believed I was bipolar (I have
GAD and PTSD) and it ended up making me psychotic since I did not need it.
Psychiatrists can be such quacks, but in my life I still need one ::)Hi,
Look I am no guru at meditation, I just had a real need to get off the medication. I was put on Lithium aswell
as epilium and a couple of others....the side effects were terrible......I acquired a mild form of Parkinsons
disease because of lithium and therefore needed more medication to deal with that....i just felt really numb andUN-real. One of the lounges (sitting rooms) in the hospital i spent time in , had a cabinet with nurses books andaids....i asked to read them and although i was told i wouldnt understand them, i discovered in them,that after
6 mths of regular medication of lithium, a literal wall of the salt (lithium salt is the med)forms around thesynapses, to prevent a excess of neurotransmitters confusing the mind....( i was in mania, with wild
hallucination)...the problem is, for me it felt like this stuff wasnt only preventing the hallucinations, but wasdeadening basic bodily feelings and functions aswell...so from that moment on, i was very clear that i wanted toget off them.
......it may seem to be unbelievable, but i actually felt quite clear at some points within my mania, where i felt ireached a truth about things.....i also had some clear beliefs about pharmaceuticals before the mania, which
helped me to be sure of what i wanted my body to go through when confronted with the experience.
gone a bit off thread huh...sorry...i do wish someone could add more data to the investigation though
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #22 - on: 14.09.2008 at 11:44 [UT+1] »Quote from Alchemic on 14.09.2008 at 11:13 [UT+1]:

Hi,
Look I am no guru at meditation, I just had a real need to get off the medication. I was put on Lithium aswell as epilium and a couple ofothers....the side effects were terrible......I acquired a mild form of Parkinsons disease because of lithium and therefore needed more
medication to deal with that....i just felt really numb and UN-real. One of the lounges (sitting rooms) in the hospital i spent time in , hada cabinet with nurses books and aids....i asked to read them and although i was told i wouldnt understand them, i discovered in them,that
after 6 mths of regular medication of lithium, a literal wall of the salt (lithium salt is the med)forms around the synapses, to prevent a
excess of neurotransmitters confusing the mind....( i was in mania, with wild hallucination)...the problem is, for me it felt like this stuff
wasnt only preventing the hallucinations, but was deadening basic bodily feelings and functions aswell...so from that moment on, i wasvery clear that i wanted to get off them.
......it may seem to be unbelievable, but i actually felt quite clear at some points within my mania, where i felt i reached a truth about
things.....i also had some clear beliefs about pharmaceuticals before the mania, which helped me to be sure of what i wanted my body togo through when confronted with the experience.
gone a bit off thread huh...sorry...i do wish someone could add more data to the investigation though

Ah yes, Lithium- that is one of the drugs I am on now and I hate the fact that it has increased my bodytemperature and how it makes me all sweaty/needing to be hydrated well ALL the time, but other than that- it
is my miracle drug (one of) that I have been looking for for years.
It gave you a form of Parkinsons? Holy shit... yeah... that's messed up.
What happens? Okay, I've been on Lithium since February (around that time at least) and now it's September, 7months afterwards and I have not experienced any mania from it.
But yes, the numbing- oh I felt that when I first starting taking, I felt numb and so damn unaffected it wasn't
even funny, took my brain a while to get used to that.
I'm also on Effexor- but that's it when it comes to me and psychotrophic drugs
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #23 - on: 14.09.2008 at 12:58 [UT+1] »[quote author=capricornianaries]
Quote:
Hey...I wondered if anyone here has any familiarity with this disease, and if there are any astrological indicators.

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Gender:Quote:My Mercury is certainly friendly with the outer planets, it's in Pisces square Uranus and in Pluto's 8th house, so I feel like that's the root ofwhatever's going on.

Mercury square Uranus is friendly...or was that the joke??
You may have answered your own question because Mercury and Uranus and their respective rulerships aredefinitely associated with the sudden mental seizures that can apply to epilepsy, as the 2 included charts show.
Yet I also know of 2 Mercury in Taurus people who were given to epileptic seizures; one with Uranus in Gemini,
the other Uranus in Leo, and each with the adverse aspect to Neptune that accounted for the comatic state but
also with aspects to Pluto and Chiron.
Maybe it's a 'thing' of the fixed sign influence that is trying to perceive other 'air'( mental) perspectives but thedifficulty in doing so produces the attack ???
Just thinking out loud here.
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #24 - on: 14.09.2008 at 13:17 [UT+1] »im posting my natal chart with the transits for the day i had my last seizure and the chart for the time it
happened. The last thing i remember was that i was checking the time

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #25 - on: 14.09.2008 at 13:18 [UT+1] »the second one

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #26 - on: 14.09.2008 at 21:33 [UT+1] »I sympathize with the idea of wanting to control all your mental health issues with alternative medicine, butsometime it's just not enough. I've taken every alternative mental health supplement on the market, SAMe,
5HTP, and St. John's Wort, and I"ve eliminated sugar and bad foods. It all helped for awhile, but it didn't fix

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the problem, and something is still going very wrong with my brain. Although I don't know that taking any
more medication is going to help me at all either.
Thanks to all thoe who have posted chartsIt may be that there is no one constellation or placement reflective of
epilepsy, but I do think it's possible that epileptics have to do deal with similar themes, I just don't know what
they are right now. I feel like it must be something a little different than depression, I've read a lot about theastrology of that, and while it all seem to apply to me, it seem like there's something else that needs to belooked at. Below is my chart with the transit and progression for the day that I had the seizure. Anyone whowants to compare the three charts and try and find commonalities, I'll try to give them a good going overtoday.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #27 - on: 14.09.2008 at 21:35 [UT+1] »Here it is.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #28 - on: 14.09.2008 at 21:41 [UT+1] »Quote from Friesiangal on 14.09.2008 at 12:58 [UT+1]:[quote author=capricornianaries]
Quote:
Hey...I wondered if anyone here has any familiarity with this disease, and if there are any astrological indicators.

Posts: 244
Quote:My Mercury is certainly friendly with the outer planets, it's in Pisces square Uranus and in Pluto's 8th house, so I feel likethat's the root of whatever's going on.

Mercury square Uranus is friendly...or was that the joke??
You may have answered your own question because Mercury and Uranus and their respective rulerships are definitely associated with thesudden mental seizures that can apply to epilepsy, as the 2 included charts show. Yet I also know of 2 Mercury in Taurus people who were
given to epileptic seizures; one with Uranus in Gemini, the other Uranus in Leo, and each with the adverse aspect to Neptune that
accounted for the comatic state but also with aspects to Pluto and Chiron.
Maybe it's a 'thing' of the fixed sign influence that is trying to perceive other 'air'( mental) perspectives but the difficulty in doing so
produces the attack ???
Just thinking out loud here.
Friesiangal

Yeah, joking with the friendly with Uranus thing, easy an "afflicted" C is not, although I do have to say that
I do really love this placement in spite of it all, because it is so interesting intellectually and creativitely.
(Writer here.) But what would you say then, is the underlying problem that needs integration with CoO.
More mental openness?
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #29 - on: 15.09.2008 at 02:44 [UT+1] »Temporal Lobe Epilepsy and the ArtsAs Eve LaPlante discusses in her book, "Seized," the intense emotions, sensory experience including vibrancy ofcolors, and particular mental state provoked by temporal lobe abnormalities may have contributed to thecreation of significant works of art. A number of well-known writers and artists are known, or in many cases
suspected to have had temporal lobe epilepsy, aggravated, in some cases, by alcoholism. They include Charles
Dodgson (a.k.a. Lewis Carroll), Edgar Allan Poe, Fyodor Dostoevsky (whose novel The Idiot features an epileptic
protagonist, Prince Myshkin), Gustave Flaubert, Philip K. Dick, Sylvia Plath and the contemporary author Thom
Jones. Peter O'Leary also discusses this in his book "Gnostic Contagion: Robert Duncan and the Poetry of
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Illness." Sadi Ranson-Polizzotti writes about Lewis Carroll's epilepsy in many of her articles on Lewis Carroll on
Tant Mieux and in her forthcoming book, publisher Continuum-Books, New York, London, Tokyo.
Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_lobe_epilepsy
Although I haven't read LaPlante's book on temporal lobe epilepsy I am aware of her connecting TLE withspiritual phenomena. In my family, my mother has TLE which predominently consists of trance states triggeredby auditory effects, a word, a phrase, a sound etc. My sister and I both experience religious/spiritual trance
states, we haven't any diagnosable condition although we are both highly left brained (we externalise the world
and function primarily through rationalisation not emotion - the majority of women (75%) function primarily
through the feeling response first). Artistic and creative endeavours are also a huge part of our lives. My sister's
daughter has been diagnosed with a mental condition although her doctor's don't quite know what. She hasvariously appeared paranoic, schizophrenic, bi polar etc and has been giving electroconvulsive therapy as well as
TLE medication. A strong symptom of my neice's experiences has been visual spiritual phenomena. She has self
medicated a lot with illicit drugs and alcohol and much of her visual and trance experiences have becomefrightening. My grandson has been diagnosed with ADHD.
As a family, the majority of us over 3 generations appear to have some "disturbances" of the electrical activity
within the brain and more specifically the temporal lobes. The difference between us is what we choose to dowith it, how we approach it and either use it to our benefit or try and run from it. My mother for example
refuses to look beyond an "illness" and keeps herself dosed up on medication. She is afraid of it. My niece runs
away from it, moving from city to city to make a "new start" only to find that she too falls in a heap because
she is trying to run away from something within her that is longing for an expression of some description.
My son had many symptoms in his teens that could easily have led to a mental health diagnosis. He had anurging towards exploring other worldly subjects and together we explored depths of spirituality in order to finda means, an avenue for him to learn what was going on inside him. Today at 24 he is healthy and well balanced
and has some deep insight into the spiritual side of life that is unusual in a man his age.
From my family experience I believe TLE in particular and possibly other mental health diagnoses are asymptom of an awakening spiritualisation in man that are predominently suppressed, even ridiculed by oursocial climate. When I talk to other's about my spiritual trances, they think I am mad. If I didn't have such afirm anchor in my self knowledge and self understanding I could easily believe other's judgements of me andaccept it as madness. As it is, my brain lets me explore phenomena outside the "limited" reality of the physicalworld, for we can only interpret the physical through what we see, hear, smell, taste and taste. Our 5 senses are
fallible and yet as a society we put all norms and reality on their shoulders and believe reality comes from what
we see, hear, smell, touch and taste.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #30 - on: 15.09.2008 at 07:57 [UT+1] »I have kept 2 of Jacobs seizure charts. I will load them up later. All these drugs are interesting? Therefore
Neptune is somehow involved?

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #31 - on: 15.09.2008 at 09:50 [UT+1] »[quote author=capricornianaries ]Quote:
Yeah, joking with the friendly with Uranus thing

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C is not,I live with a Mercury retrograde close square to Pluto!!
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although I do have to say that I do really love this placement in spite of it all, because it is so interesting intellectually and creativitely.
(Writer here.) But what would you say then, is the underlying problem that needs integration with

CoO. More mental openness?

In my previous post I deleted a reference to tribal cultures' beliefs that, what we refer to as 'troubled minds'
are actually those in contact with the intangibility of a spiritual awareness and who are actually revered, because
I felt it could be going too far and a bit O.T. This state of consciousness has been referred to as Shamanism,
which some astrologers might place under Chiron. In her post #29, Sushanna mentions this very state ofspirituality that could find a correlation to TLE. I'm not trained to offer a 'medical' opinion but thought it
coincidental that our thoughts travelled along the same lines.
With CloO, you could be either of the Oc (mine) or Oi generation. I've looked back to try to find apersonal chart without success. Imho there is a large difference as to how this will work. With Oc, Cl would
be 'up against' the sudden flashes of insight (electrical impulses) that Uranus, which is in front of C, brings,
that offer alternate perspectives of thought in processing information. With Oi, the flashes of insight thatdetract man from his unconsciious beastial side to his conscious power of reason, (the spiritual 'higher mind?),this planet is up against Cl because C is in front.
As Sushanna remarked:
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we..........appear to have some "disturbances" of the electrical activity within the brain and more specifically the temporal lobes. The
difference between us is what we choose to do with it, how we approach it and either use it to our benefit or try and run from it.

my emphasis.
What do you do? Is/are your seizure(s) a manner to escape what you know to be (un)true but cannot mentallyhandle, through which fantasy prevails; or, that you simply haven't quite mentally grasped how to handle thesudden flow of insights with which you are being presented?
You might find that a Saturn or Earth planets stabiliser (as in charts offered) in your own chart could be of
help?
Friesiangal.
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #32 - on: 15.09.2008 at 18:40 [UT+1] »Hey everyone! My daughter suffers from a rare epileptic condition called Landau Kleffner Syndrome. Basicallythe seizures mostly happen to children once they fall asleep and it effects the language area of the brain. A year
ago because of medication (Lamictal.. grrr!) she lost all communication other than Mama and No.
also been on Depakote, helped with her absence seizures. But now she is currently on Keppra andShe's

Hydrocortisone (steroid). She also was on Prednisone, another steroid, a while back too. Here's her chart foranyone interested.

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Gender:There's the lovely stellia in the 6th and 12! I've also read that Mercury is in a critical degree that shows speechdelay. She's been seizure free again the last few months and the neurologists say if we can keep her EEG clear
for a year than she should make progress again. Right now she's 8 and has the communication skills of about a
2-3 year old. But her mentality and comprehension is normal. So it's like she's trapped in her head.
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Member« Reply #33 - on: 16.09.2008 at 10:07 [UT+1] »Quote:
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I've looked back to try to find a personal chart without success.
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I completely missed your last comments and posting of your chart! Must have scrolled down too fast.
Sorry!
The chart for the day of your seizure did not include the fast moving planets. The ephemeris shows transitC

5*g, which would place it exact square to natal Neptune (unconscious comatic state), ruler of your 8th house.
With Uranus square itself in Pisces, may be the two aspects produced a joint reaction?
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I feel like it must be something a little different than depression, I've read a lot about the astrology of that, and while it all seem to apply
to me, it seems like there's something else that needs to be looked at.

my emphasis
From my personal study of M, I find it intriguing that its natal position is +3.50cnGi (black out of reality?),to which your progressed MC makes an exact conjunction. Maybe the answer lies there, in that which you will
not admit to and/or allow to surface?
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #34 - on: 16.09.2008 at 22:41 [UT+1] »Hey Friesangal,
I'm not at all familar with M, except for the story where she sprouts wings and flies away from Adam. Maybe
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you could enlighten me somewhat? Though I'll look it up now too. But you would think that with theprogressed m.c. the matter would have something to do with the career or something, and that doesn't seemto fit.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #35 - on: 17.09.2008 at 09:23 [UT+1] »[quote author=capricornianaries]
Hey Friesangal,
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I'm not at all familar withM, except for the story where she sprouts wings and flies away from Adam.

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Maybe you could enlighten me somewhat?

Don't know if that would be considered O.T.
Just very quickly, though; consider the effect of 'something/someone' that/who may work internally throughthe qualities of the sign of it is in, yet cannot manifest it externally except through contact with a physicalplanet.
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But you would think that with the progressed m.c. the matter would have something to do with the career or something, and that doesn't
seem to fit.

You're 22; the majority of your life has still to unfold.
Ever heard of a little word called 'destiny'....that some astrologers consider a meaning of the M.C. ?
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #36 - on: 17.09.2008 at 09:44 [UT+1] »Quote from capricornianaries on 16.09.2008 at 22:41 [UT+1]:
Hey Friesangal,
I'm not at all familar withM, except for the story where she sprouts wings and flies away from Adam. Maybe you could enlighten me

somewhat? Though I'll look it up now too. But you would think that with the progressed m.c. the matter would have something to do withthe career or something, and that doesn't seem to fit.

Sup, I sure as hell don't know as much as Friesangal about M, but I'm learning and I have a thread- youshould go check it out
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1220583899/0
I can't remember if you've already hit that thread up or not, but haha oh well
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #37 - on: 18.09.2008 at 02:13 [UT+1] »Sushanna Macrae your observation about epilepsy and the spiritual world makes alot of sense to me. That ppl
with epilepsy have access to a world that "normal' ppl have yet to discover? My friend Jacob was a very sensitiveand compassionate soul, i used to say to him that he had healing hands and i felt that there was more to him
as a healer than what he could ever comprehend. But the enviroment that he grew up in scoffed at any airy
fairy idea of a spiritual world, bills have to be paid etc...toughen up and be a man etc...Therefore with capricorn
rising he proved to the world he could aquire and work for the possessions that maketh a man, but
unfortunately i feel he never really shared the rich visual world that he was so often thrown into. "Get on withthe material world" was the mantra he aspired to.
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #38 - on: 18.09.2008 at 07:06 [UT+1] »This descrition of epilepsy reminds me so much of the interaction of C and O.

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Epilepsy

The condition called epilepsy is a result of an excessive increase in the electrical activity of the humannervous system and the brain, therefore though it can be considered a disorder of the human body; it istechnically not a disease, in the sense that the causation and remedial treatments for the condition are notalways immediately apparent. The transmission of electrical and nerve impulses in the cells of the humanbrain are usually well regulated and controlled. But in epileptics, this orderly transmission of nerve impulses
can sometimes go haywire, leading to many nerve cells firing or transmitting information simultaneously. This
is where the typical symptoms of the epileptic becomes evident in convulsions that are uncontrollable, in
epileptic seizures and in behavior on the part of the epileptic which can range from a blank stare to a loss of
consciousness, while in the epileptic state.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #39 - on: 18.09.2008 at 07:51 [UT+1] »Quote from myrlock on 13.09.2008 at 04:02 [UT+1]:
My friend Jacob had epilepsy,i do not know which type of epilepsy he had? I remember reading in "dynamics of the unconcious", Liz
Greene mentioned briefly that she often felt the square between pisces and gemini could be an indicator of epilepsy? This does notproduce epilepsy in every one but considering other aspects there could be a possibility of epilepsy.My friend jacob hadl sun squaresaturn in gemini,gemini on the sixth house cusp,he also had mars in gemini in the sixth house opposite neptune.
A question i have for you?, do you have epilepsy?
My friend Jacob died in July this year, he had a seizure on his own and suffocated. I will miss him alot.

It's very hard on us when we lose someone we love. But they are in a better place, although the loss is ours forsure. Jacob had SN conj. Saturn in the 6th.
Do you know when in July Jacob died?

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #40 - on: 18.09.2008 at 11:13 [UT+1] »1.23am,29th July 2008.Masterton. New Zealand.

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #41 - on: 18.09.2008 at 11:17 [UT+1] »Jacob was on medication for seizures as well. He was on Phenibarbitone, (i don't know if i'm spelling that
correctly?Then the doctor changed his medication last year. I cannot recall what medication he changed to. I
will try and find out?

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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #42 - on: 19.09.2008 at 18:15 [UT+1] »Quote from Plutonian Persona on 13.09.2008 at 17:20 [UT+1]:
Incidentally, the seizures started when

O in k was o my natal h O and n my natal e E (a is my 6th house ruler).

I would agree with the Uranus association. I would look for Uranus/Mercury or Uranus/Moon aspects natally. I
have Merc square Uranus, and I have symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy (TLE) and also physical indicators-namely, benign cysts on both my temporal lobes. But TLE, at least in my experience, is nowhere near as
problematic as other forms of epilepsy. Maybe the astrological indicators are likewise not as dramatic (e.g. withseriously disabling epilepsy, there might also be some Saturn involvement and/or the planets in question would
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #43 - on: 19.09.2008 at 18:18 [UT+1] »Quote from myrlock on 14.09.2008 at 07:05 [UT+1]:
This is jacobs birth chart.

Wow, an EXACT grand trine between Mercury, Uranus and Saturn, with Saturn ruling the chart (Cap rising) andin a very tight quincunx with the Moon!!!

Mercury conjunct Jupiter (out of sign but still pretty closely conjunct) may be a factor too--amplifying what's
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #44 - on: 19.09.2008 at 18:20 [UT+1] »Quote from Sushanna Macrae on 14.09.2008 at 06:42 [UT+1]:
Hi,
My mum has temporal lobe epilepsy. She takes Epilem and only occasionally has break through "attacks", after she has had a build up ofstress usually.
I have posted her chart so you might be able to see some common ground. I don't know her birth time, only date and birthplace. Let meknow if you have any questions about her condition.

Mercury in Aquarius (ruled by Uranus), sextile Uranus, and Uranus possibly also conjunct the Moon. Yep yep
yep. Is there any way you can home in on at least an approximate birth time? It could be on her birth cert or ina baby book. Or even just a part of family lore, e.g. "she was born right after breakfast."
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #45 - on: 19.09.2008 at 18:26 [UT+1] »[quote author=capricornianaries link=1221256606/20#28 date=1221424881]Quote from Friesiangal on
14.09.2008 at 12:58 [UT+1]:
I do have to say that I do really love this placement in spite of it all, because it is so interesting intellectually and creativitely. (Writer
here.) But what would you say then, is the underlying problem that needs integration with

CoO. More mental openness?

I agree, I like this aspect, difficult though it can be. I think the underlying problem is how to incorporate yourwild, intuitive mind into your life without losing touch with reality. One unhealthy way to live out this aspect isby being mentally ill; the problem with that is self explanatory. Another unhealthy way is to wall off your wild
intuitions and just ignore them; the problem with that is that you throw out the baby with the bath water-yeah, you're not bothered by the crazier parts of yourself, but you also lose access to the brilliantly intuitive
part of yourself.
So the healthy response is to maintain both your ability to have and to understand brilliant intuitions, AND
your ability to function in the real world. Part of the process involves learning to distinguish between your crazyideas and your brilliant ones, of course.
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #46 - on: 19.09.2008 at 19:51 [UT+1] »Jacob's death chart is, 1.23am,29 July 2008,Masterton, New ZealandPosts: 758
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Re: Temporal Lobe Epilepsy« Reply #47 - on: 01.10.2008 at 01:50 [UT+1] »I have stumbled across a astrology/medical book that touches on briefly epilepsy.The book is called "How togive an astrological health reading." by Dianne L Cramer. I will try and up load jacobs death chart.

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