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BanditEx Member

Pluto vs Orcus« on: 25.08.2015 at 10:48 [UT+1] »It has been said Pluto is the highest octave of our planetary system giving rise to power and having the finalword. In this i agree, but it is only true upon the material plane. there is another planet that is in the same butdifferent.
Orcus is a plutino, locked in a 2:3 resonance with Neptune, making two revolutions around the Sun to every
three of Neptune's. This is much like Pluto, except that it is constrained to always be in the opposite phase of
its orbit from Pluto: Orcus is at aphelion when Pluto is at perihelion and vice versa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90482_Orcus
Here we can read that these two are opposites of sorts in that they reach aphelion and perihelion symmetricallyopposed.
Orcus is the Gateway to the underworld and the beginning of the path towards liberation of the inner spirit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus
Two sides to the coin, being flipped in the duel between fate and destiny.
One cannot serve two masters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horkos an extension of the story of Eris andher gift of the golden apple.
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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #1 - on: 25.08.2015 at 13:55 [UT+1] »Jeremy of the Chirotic Journal has written much about Orcus, including a book.
Here is a list of his Orcus posts https://chirotic.wordpress.com/tag/orcus/page/2/
Orcus moves extremely slowly. Currently it's transiting at 6 Virgo; it feels as if it's been at 5-6 Virgo for years
now!
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Bjorkstrand
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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #2 - on: 27.08.2015 at 02:17 [UT+1] »pluto=sex and power
orcus is like a black hole
Helen Keller has orcus in the 3rd housemartha stewart + winona ryder have it in the 8th house
I got it rising,bad dna
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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #3 - on: 27.08.2015 at 16:13 [UT+1] »Quote from Bandit on 25.08.2015 at 10:48 [UT+1]:
It has been said Pluto is the highest octave of our planetary system giving rise to power and having the final word. In this i agree, but it is
only true upon the material plane. there is another planet that is in the same but different.
Orcus is a plutino, locked in a 2:3 resonance with Neptune, making two revolutions around the Sun to every three of Neptune's. This ismuch like Pluto, except that it is constrained to always be in the opposite phase of its orbit from Pluto: Orcus is at aphelion when Pluto isat perihelion and vice versa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90482_Orcus
Here we can read that these two are opposites of sorts in that they reach aphelion and perihelion symmetrically opposed.
Orcus is the Gateway to the underworld and the beginning of the path towards liberation of the inner spirit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus

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Two sides to the coin, being flipped in the duel between fate and destiny.
One cannot serve two masters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horkos an extension of the story of Eris and her gift of the golden
apple.

This is interesting, Bandit.
I checked out placements for a time when things were all going belly-up in my own life and transiting Pluto wasopposing my natal Orcus exactly. Yes, I definitely felt that and yes, it was also a spiritually informative andhighly transformative time. This lasted about two years, from which I deduce that the orb isn't that big.
Moving on to look at Orcus activity in general, at the moment, my father is awaiting death of his physical bodyfrom cancer and an acquired hospital infection, and my sweet aunt died a few days ago.
I checked out Orcus placements and found that in my draconic progressed, Orcus is smack bang on my d p MC
in Sag - the sign of freedom - and also tightly aspects my natal sun and pluto. By solar arc, orcus sits exactly
on natal pluto.
In my father's natal chart, he has orcus conjunct Algol (very descriptive of his nature, I might add). In his
progressed chart, there is an exact quincunx from Orcus to Sun, Saturn, Mercury, all conjunct each other - andthose all conjunct my natal Saturn. In his imminent Solar Return, Jupiter is exactly conjunct Orcus - freedomand liberation, so I assume his transition will come quickly - perhaps with much spiritual understanding prior tohis passing. I don't have his exact tob, so no angles/house cusps.
What is your own experience between these two bodies?
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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #4 - on: 27.08.2015 at 17:15 [UT+1] »I have this on cusp of 9th H. it's q J.
I ve not raelly looked into it.

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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #5 - on: 28.08.2015 at 04:16 [UT+1] »Malvin Artley has just written quite a bit about Orcus here:
http://www.malvinartley.com/articles_west6.htm
An Ephemeris is available here: https://astrology.richardbrown.com/NewPlanets/Orcus.shtml
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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #6 - on: 28.08.2015 at 07:02 [UT+1] »Thank you, "guys".
Put this into personal level, and "bingo".
Soul to humanity.
Empowering.
Get rid of factors that makes people gloomy. Private prisons.
Sustain the world.
Seeking order.

Integrating soul and spirit - joie de vivre.
http://www.pathwaytoascension.com/sevenrays.
html://www.mermaid-uk.net/Esotericraytables.htm

The first sword was propable made of iron from meteorite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excalibur
Sounds like a maturity process in Hero's journey.
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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #7 - on: 28.08.2015 at 08:57 [UT+1] »I read the http://www.malvinartley.com/articles_west6.htm write up, and it seems to be heavily
weighted on the corporeal side of nature although skirting the issues that these two bodies are holding.
Twin forces in play, Corporeal and the Spiritual.
As we have transgressed from the downfall of consciousness, the human race tends to favor the Corporeal
structure and anything that is opposing this is either wiped out by physical force reactions or dismissed as
imaginings that are bordering upon the fanatical. The progressions are slow in trying to raise the mindset tothat of a former understanding but in the mechanics of the wheel, the Corporeal mind has been evolving infinding a foothold that can withstand its opposite in any situation.
The perfection of the egoic thrust using every ounce of deviant cunning has perfected the Cain that killed Abel,
yet Abel is alive and well in all of those willing to follow their true natures according to their conscience withempathy and compassion.
I will take you one step further out from this point and give you a greater perspective, that of Varuna.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20000_Varuna Although Varuna has no resonance with Neptune it holds
an orbit that contains these two bodies that are Neptune related within the field of movement. Varuna is a
Vedic Deity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varuna that supersedes Shiva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva and Vishnu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vishnu. It might takesome mental agility to find the corresponding assimilation needed for cognitive understanding but it is there.

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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #8 - on: 28.08.2015 at 10:28 [UT+1] »Varuna, west
White Tiger, KirinUnicorn
http://chinesehoroscop-e.com/astrology/eastern-unicorn.php
It is because of the whimsical, supernatural, mythical, mystical, and religious similarities in antiquity to theWestern unicorns that the Chinese government minted coins in silver and gold several times depicting both theqilin and the Western Unicorn together.
http://chinesehoroscop-e.com/astrology/eastern-unicorn.php

It was said that the white tiger would only appear when the emperor ruled with absolute virtue, or if there waspeace throughout the world. Because the color white of the Wu Xing theory also represents the west, the whitetiger became a mythological guardian of the west.[citation needed]
They two are sworn brothers of Qin Shubao and Cheng Yaojin. Their souls after death are said to possess thebody of the new heroes of the Tang and Goguryeo dynasties, Xue Rengui (薛仁貴 / 薛仁贵) and Yeon Gaesomun(渊盖苏文)[citation needed]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tiger_(China)
As the other three symbols, there are seven astrological mansions, or positions, of the moon within WhiteTiger. The names and determinative stars are:[1][2]Mansion no.

Name (pinyin)

Translation

151617

奎 (Kuí)婁 (Lóu)胃 (Wèi)Legs
Eta Andromedae
Bond
Beta Arietis
Stomach35 Arietis1819

昴 (Mǎo)畢 (Bì)

Hairy Head
AlcyoneNet
Zeta Tauri

2021

觜 (Zī)
Turtle BeakMeissa
參 (Shēn)Three Stars
Alnitak

Determinative starhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoceros
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Re: Pluto vs Orcus« Reply #9 - on: 28.08.2015 at 10:51 [UT+1] »Mars, Green valley
Andromeida, Green Valley
US, national park
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iSpqpwJ__EkThe first description of the Andromeda Galaxy based on telescopic observation was given by German
astronomer Simon Marius on December 15, 1612.[2I know this is little afar from Varuna and what you messaged by it. But mind-mapping here. Seing the resultsof the path, if one (humanity) entres there, sort of way.
On Mars photographed in "Green Valley" there, exist whirlwing dust particles, called dust devils. Those devils
we created here too, both in our minds, and atmosphere. Blocking the sunrays free passage. Accumulatingheat/coldness on the earths surface and in the mind (frustration). Water cools, purificates and settles the dust.
But the pollution ends also in seas. And in the memory bank.
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