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What would make someone loves to play the victim? (Read 635 times)

greenbox66
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What would make someone loves to play thevictim?
« on: 25.02.2015 at 08:22 [UT] »E.g. They hurt people but they claim the victim hurt them much much more or maybe at a more intense level
they romanticize being a victim as if they are a martyr!
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BanditEx Member

Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict« Reply #1 - on: 25.02.2015 at 09:04 [UT] »I read somewhere "people who do not respect boundaries have mental problems"
What you describe is somebody that has buried pain within themselves due to conditioning and are trying tosolve it but in the wrong way.
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scorpiogal
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Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict« Reply #2 - on: 25.02.2015 at 18:22 [UT] »Astrologically Neptune has a part to play. One of my exes has a very neptunian chart with a big Neptuneemphasis but also Jupiter to expand the fact. His Neptune squares all of his personals, he is a Pisces sun andVenus too. He can really hurt with his lies as he denies all knowledge of them. My daughter is still waiting for abig apology but tells everyone she has fallen out with her poor old dad, dedums
so yes, a huge martyr
syndrome for him.

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Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict« Reply #3 - on: 28.02.2015 at 07:35 [UT] »A lot of boundaries are crossed all the time - otherwise we wouldn't have a Piscean Genius like Einstein as wellas many other non Pisces amazing people stepping across the the known path (and all outer-planet types). Interms of people crossing boundaries it is a major problem but it's also how we relate with others. Watery
people can manipulate feelings mainly because they are intelligent in this area and can move the tides inwhatever direction and this can be good when its moved towards healing and charitable organizations but
sometimes its moved towards the personal self. Princess Diana could get loads of public sympathy and often
played the victim but she was an amazing charity worker and an extremely sensitive woman. Prince Charles as a
Scorpio, got little, and painted rather differently. As far as mental illness, well, maybe in some sense as
boundaries loosen and reality shifts and a can of worms is opened. I read a story about a woman withAlzheimer's close to death and something psychic must have opened up and she wasn't speaking complete
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Gender:nonsense as she told one son in an episode that an intense fire has just set alight in his brother's house. A
phone call was later received that this brother had been having a furious argument with his wife and they weregetting a divorce. Boundary crossing isn't always nonsensical madness, but on the whole watery types
BIdl can play the victim card, Scorpio as the fiery-watery sign h would not play on their own weakness,but on others and they can change the emotional atmosphere tremendously at the touch of a button. Manywatery types moods can colour the home-life and either make it more psychic and healing or dampen theatmosphere.

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Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict« Reply #4 - on: 28.02.2015 at 10:35 [UT] »Rape is a term used for crossing boundaries with out conscious agreement from the persons being trespassed
upon and this is the basis of therapy. The word being created by "the rape"
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~Artemis~

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Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict« Reply #5 - on: 28.02.2015 at 10:49 [UT] »Neptune mixed with Chiron.
Neptune means you have had your psychic force drawn away by others, because your boundaries are weak andyou unconsciously let it happen. Then you play the Chiron ("poor me") card, to get others to give you theirenergy.
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Akvelina
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Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict

Ex Member« Reply #6 - on: 02.03.2015 at 18:30 [UT] »Neptune certainly makes some sense just from the victim/martyr illusion alone, but I know more about thiscoming at it from knowledge of trauma and child abuse than my knowledge of astrology. It's hard to cut it rightdown to a simplistic explanation but they are people who likely have been terribly shamed (this isn't an excuse,just the explanation of its origin) and then they grow up trying to be "shameless" so they transfer all
responsibility for their actions onto others. That's still some pretty Neptunian stuff there, and maybe someMoon stuff too (since there could be a background of child abuse, and feelings are being disowned too). It's
basically an interpersonal transfer of shame and blame so they don't have to own it and deal with the feelings
themselves.
It can also be used as a power play, to manipulate and control others. If they continue blaming somebody else,using another person as their scapegoat, they can control that person. They use the other person's empathy tomake that person feel bad for them, and to get that person to blame themselves for supposedly hurting themartyr/victim. A person with empathy will change their behaviors to stop doing whatever the martyr/victim
claims is abuse. The martyr/victim knows this and uses this to get a person to pretty much act as their puppet.
That is more Plutonic.
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Bill Worden

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Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict« Reply #7 - on: 04.03.2015 at 19:52 [UT] »If someone has done wrong in their past Karma dictates some recompense, this violates their inherent "I'mOK". If they have been 'mothered' wrongly, as in 'oh baby, it's not your fault', this becomes their solution tofeel OK.
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Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict« Reply #8 - on: 04.03.2015 at 19:55 [UT] »If someone has done wrong in their past Karma dictates some recompense, this violates their inherent "I'mOK". If they have been 'mothered' wrongly, as in 'oh baby, it's not your fault', this becomes their solution tofeel OK.
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Re: What would make someone loves to play thevict« Reply #9 - on: 05.03.2015 at 13:23 [UT] »I had a "friend" who was very much like this and quite a narcissist, too, though in a sniveling "poor me" type ofway.
Pisces with Scorpio moon (February 27, 1951. Birth time unknown.)
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