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Naming of planets/asteroids: based on what? (Read 218 times)_Bojan_MemberNaming of planets/asteroids: based on what?
« on: 18.03.2011 at 10:05 [UT] »Good day pretty people,
I have an unpleasant question. Again, yes.
And I need you opinions and enlightment. Again, yes.
How do we come to the name of celestial objects and why do we accept their astrological meaning based on
greek myths "without a second thought?".
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Gender:I see the process as that (please correct me if Im wrong):
We find an object->we give it a cool greek name->we check the myths->we apply the myths to the chart>somebody releases a book about it->we take it as a given fact->party time
I've never heard, we altered the meaning of a planet, so it did not corespond the greek myth asociated with it.
It seems the astronomer who found it had a moment of divine clarity when naming the object and a godly
power guided him/her to the right name?
Seems we have a 100% succes between 1st naming and the acctual meaning. Quite impressive. Or am I
missing something?
I understand we need to start somewhere and its normal we start with its name but how can everything always
fit?
The planets seem to corespond with social changes and the names given to it represent those changes. OK, I
accept that.
But all the "stardust" nowdays used in astrology and their name and myths just accepted as a fact...?

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Re: Naming of planets/asteroids: based on what?
« Reply #1 - on: 18.03.2011 at 11:27 [UT] »Hmm. This is part of my problem with using asteroids and other space bodies that are relatively new. I evenfeel this way with N, but admittedly N wasn't around when I started with astrology.
There does seem to be an acceptance that the naming is 'magically' apt, the name kind of emerges for areason, that the body and the myth kind of grow into each other, it works and we work that. But if we are
dealing with the likes of Eris and Quaor etc we do not have a body of evidence to demonstrate that the

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meanings applied to them actually are consistently correct. And worse when the body is slow moving like Eristhat stays in a sign for a century and is beyond generational that it is given meaning in the natal, without really
understanding the meaning across generations. I'm generally open to playing with them, because without
identifying the body and starting to use it we cannot begin to understand it properly and incorporate it. My
problem is the total acceptance of the meaning of the body and the lack of criticality or complete acceptance ofwhat has been made up by someone else without evidence. At the very least we should be saying well, here is
Eris, this is the myth, that would suggest this does this in this chart, do we see this at all, is that replicated in
the chart, lets hold it there, look at transits to that space body and investigate. Not just this is Eris, this is what
it means, therefore that's what it means in this chart even though there is no evidence.
Couple of other points - there have been name changes, though not through astrology but still a sense of thename was wrong in the first place eg Xena became Eris. Wasn't Quaoar something else before as well?
Uranus was previously called Herschel (who formally found it) before getting the name of Uranus. Bibbe had athread a few weeks ago about the suggestion that Uranus should be Prometheus,(http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1299239173/1#1 so it's not that ideas aren't put
forward, but there is often resistance to considering changing established naming.
The use of personal name asteroids do consistently seem to be meaningful in natals - surprisingly but seems
effective. Looks persuasive but again need to keep an open mind.
Don't really know how the original planets (A through G) got their names in relation to astrology - what camefirst the qualities or the names or the observations. Perhaps someone knows this from their reading.
Interested in others ideas.

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Re: Naming of planets/asteroids: based on what?
« Reply #2 - on: 18.03.2011 at 11:35 [UT] »Perhaps it comes down to one of the classic criticisms of astrology ... that we see events and interpret them toprove our point.
That, for example, whenever we meet a Sagitarrian sun who is happy to stay at home and be very familyoriented we find other things in their charts (4th house, IC, cancer, moon-related) that explain this; and whenPosts: 4782
Gender:we see them off gallivanting around the world we ignore all their planets in Capricorn and the saturnconjunction to the sun.

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« Reply #3 - on: 18.03.2011 at 12:45 [UT] »It also begs the question: How much mythological/occult knowledge to the people who name the heavenly
bodies actually have? Presumably they're astronomers no? How much thought goes into it?

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« Reply #4 - on: 18.03.2011 at 19:48 [UT] »Zipporah Dobyns :Quote:
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Gender:I said above that the asteroids, the minor (small)planets, are keys to the basic nature of reality.
They provide dramatic evidence that information isconnected. Astronomers discover the asteroids
and have the right to name them. Most astronomers
accept the materialistic theories of science that say
their choice of names is random, ruled by chance,and meaningless. But when astrologers put theasteroids into horoscopes, they discover that anasteroid carries the meaning of its name.
The only explanation for this repeatedexperience is that an astronomer who is
subconsciously connected to an asteroid,"resonating" with its information to use a
metaphor from the physical world, is able
to discover it and give it a meaningful name.
Astrologers who have worked with the asteroids
experience their confirmation that the world ismeaningful, not random or accidental. Materialists
dismiss these experiences as "coincidences."
Mostly, materialists simply ignore the evidence
so they can protect their beliefs.

http://www.ccrsdodona.org/articles/current/2002_07_astrealuac.html

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Linda Harris

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« Reply #5 - on: 18.03.2011 at 19:57 [UT] »International Astronomical Union.
These are the people who name the asteroids. Ask them.
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« Reply #6 - on: 18.03.2011 at 20:16 [UT] »Have you read Broca's Brain, by Carl Sagan? In it, he discusses these naming conventions.
http://www.amazon.com/Brocas-Brain-Reflections-Romance-Science/dp/0345336895/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1300479332&sr=8-1
The thing to keep in mind is that other cultures and civilizations have given these hunks of rock and spacedustother names. A planet by any other name would spin in as erratic an orbit... so Uranus would were it not
Uranus called...
ask yourself what the name says to you about the expectations of the culture that named it? What theirdefining tropes are... there's more information to be gotten from the deeper structure of naming conventions
than meets the eye.
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« Reply #7 - on: 18.03.2011 at 20:55 [UT] »I read somewhere that Uranus should have been named Prometheus were we going by it's astrologicalproperties.

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Gender:IIRC objects in the main Kuiper Belt are named for creation deities and KBOs in Pluto-like orbits with a 3:2
resonance with Neptune (like Orcus) are named for underworld deities, like Pluto.

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« Reply #8 - on: 19.03.2011 at 06:34 [UT] »Quote from Linda Harris on 18.03.2011 at 19:57 [UT]:International Astronomical Union.
These are the people who name the asteroids. Ask them.
LainieBojan, there is nothing unpleasant about your question.

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Gender:I think Linda is correct. According to the Wikipedia entry on asteroids, "A newly discovered asteroid is given a
provisional designation (such as 2002 AT4) consisting of the year of discovery and an alphanumeric code
indicating the half-month of discovery and the sequence within that half-month. Once an asteroid's orbit has
been confirmed, it is given a number, and later may also be given a name (e.g. 433 Eros). The formal naming
convention uses parentheses around the number (e.g. (433) Eros), but dropping the parentheses is quite
common. Informally, it is common to drop the number altogether, or to drop it after the first mention when aname is repeated in running text."
Then I believe the discovering astronomer gets to name the asteroid, subject to an approval process by the I.
A. U.
Back when western astrology first developed, people thought the planets were gods. Subsequently they
thought that planets were under the particular control of gods for whom they were named. After astrologers
lost this connection the names nevertheless stuck. Today the planets and some of the asteroids have slightly
different names depending upon the the language. In Greece apparently astronomers use the names of the
Greek gods and goddesses, not the Roman/Latin ones. (For example, Zeus instead of Jupiter.)
When the asteroids were first discovered, the astronomers continued the tradition of naming them after Roman
deities, with some exceptions. The first asteroid discovered was Ceres in 1801 by an Italian astrologer named
Piazzi. In the 19th century most educated people had an education in the classics. Later on, astronomers
branched out, naming asteroids after deities in other cultures, real people, places, and whatnot.
Today over 16,000 asteroids and trans-plutonian objects have been named. So astronomers have nearly run
out of classical names. The astronomical meanings of most of these asteroids, if any, have not been
ascertained by astrologers.
I think asteroids work if--and only if--you use them very judiciously. One fun activity is to look at personalname asteroids in synastry. Not everybody has an asteroid that shares his/her name, and you have to include
cognate names in other languages in your search. For example, "John" is Ian, Jan, Ivan, Jean, Johannes, Hans,
Juan, &c. Asteroid Hillary conjuncts Bill Clinton's moon. My husband does not have a namesake asteroid inEnglish, but the German cognate conjuncts my sun. (In traditional astrology, the sun in a woman's chart is one
indicator of her husband.)If there is a particular deity or mythological character whose story has always resonated with you, see where it
falls in your chart.
For anyone who hasn't tried this, you can find all the asteroids at the bottom of the free charts page--you lookup the number on a huge table, and then input it into your chart when you construct it.

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« Reply #9 - on: 19.03.2011 at 06:36 [UT] »Quote from Tham58 on 18.03.2011 at 19:48 [UT]:
Zipporah Dobyns :Quote:
I said above that the asteroids, the minor (small)planets, are keys to the basic nature of reality.
They provide dramatic evidence that information is

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Gender:connected. Astronomers discover the asteroids
and have the right to name them. Most astronomers
accept the materialistic theories of science that say
their choice of names is random, ruled by chance,and meaningless. But when astrologers put theasteroids into horoscopes, they discover that anasteroid carries the meaning of its name.
The only explanation for this repeatedexperience is that an astronomer who is
subconsciously connected to an asteroid,"resonating" with its information to use a
metaphor from the physical world, is able
to discover it and give it a meaningful name.
Astrologers who have worked with the asteroids
experience their confirmation that the world ismeaningful, not random or accidental. Materialists
dismiss these experiences as "coincidences."
Mostly, materialists simply ignore the evidence
so they can protect their beliefs.

http://www.ccrsdodona.org/articles/current/2002_07_astrealuac.html

existentialists would like a word with you.
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« Reply #10 - on: 19.03.2011 at 16:16 [UT] »Quote from FeelingForSnow on 18.03.2011 at 11:35 [UT]:Perhaps it comes down to one of the classic criticisms of astrology ... that we see events and interpret them to prove our point.
That, for example, whenever we meet a Sagitarrian sun who is happy to stay at home and be very family oriented we find other things intheir charts (4th house, IC, cancer, moon-related) that explain this; and when we see them off gallivanting around the world we ignore all
their planets in Capricorn and the saturn conjunction to the sun.

Yes, this is something I often think about.
But in the end, we are all made of the same parts, so all the parst resonate with everybody to some degree.
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Gender:The question is always what is most prominent.
Thats why, if you use broad enough terms, everybody will be satisfied with yout interpretation. Especially if you
can read people well.

Waybread, tnx for the asteroid info, I'll go have a look. You know, I've always thought you were a guy... dont
ask me why
Taylor Selseth, interesting fact, didnt know that.
Tham58, well... what to say about that. Could be so... but maybe also not.
rookish, you have any experience how the changed name reflected on astrological intepretations? Was it more
fitting.
Maybe there is a higher synchronicity like sense behind everything. Behind why exactly this asteroid was
discovered at this given moment. Behind why exactly that asteroid found its was into "manistream" astrology
and not some of the other few thousand.
I guess we cant do nothing else but to test the usual desriptions from a very objective perspective so we do not
fall under the curse of autosuggestion
Tnx for the contributions, looking forward to new ones.
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« Reply #11 - on: 19.03.2011 at 20:41 [UT] »The late Zipporah Dobyns was one of thePosts: 456
Gender:premier authorities on asteroids and I believe
what she said is accurate.

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« Reply #12 - on: 20.03.2011 at 02:14 [UT] »It would also be interesting to know how the three Liliths came about. Did they forget to check their records?
Or perhaps the apogee of the moon, was considered to be in a different catagory, and therefore could share thesame name as the asteroid. But it still doesn't explain how the asteroid Lilith shares the same name as
Waldemath's Dark Moon. I picture astronomers smoking vast amounts of weed, and staring craftily off into
space, when they come up with these names. "I shall dub that asteroid ... Trufflebunny!"

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« Reply #13 - on: 20.03.2011 at 17:27 [UT] »[quote author=sleeperagent link=1300442756/0#11 date=1300516600][quote author=Tham58
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Astrologers who have worked with the asteroids
experience their confirmation that the world ismeaningful, not random or accidental.

Spot on!
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