ICNDT General Assembly Meeting

Report of ISO/TC 135

27 October 2008

Hajime Hatano

Takeo Tsuchiya

Chairman, TC 135

Secretary, TC 135

Contents

page

Structure of ISO/TC 135
Membership------------------------------------------------------

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2

Contact Information------------------------------------------------------------

Project Stages and Associated Documents
Work Program------------------------------

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7

International Standards
Activity Report3--------------------------------------------------------

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Message to CEN/TC 138 (March 2007)-----------------------------------

13

Comparison of Training Requirements (September 2008) --------------

15

Discussion Between CEN and ISO (June 2008)16-------------------------

Plenary meeting of ISO/TC 135, Buenos Aires, October 2007
(Next plenary will be held in Moscow, June 2010)

Structure of ISO/TC 135
ISO/TC 135 (Japan) P-members: 30 O-members: 38
SC 2(South Africa)

Surface methods

SC 3(Germany)

Ultrasonic testing

SC 4(France)

Eddy current methods

SC 5(Germany)

Radiation methods

SC 6(Japan)Leak detection methods

SC 7(Canada)Personnel qualification

WG 7 (USA)

Performance based qualification and certification

SC 8(Korea)Infrared thermography for non-destructive testingSC 9(Brazil)Acoustic emission testing-1-Membership(1) P-members (30)
Argentina (IRAM), Austria (ON), Barbados (BNSI), Belgium (NBN),
Brazil (ABNT), Bulgaria (BDS), Canada (SCC), China (SAC),
Czech Republic (CNI), France (AFNOR), Germany (DIN), India (BIS),
Indonesia (BSN), Iran, Islamic Republic of (ISIRI), Italy (UNI), Japan (JISC),
Kazakhstan (KAZMEMST)(*), Kenya (KEBS) (*), Korea, Republic of (KATS),
Malaysia (DSM) (*),New Zealand (SNZ), Philippines (BPS), Poland (PKN),
Portugal (IPQ), Romania (ASRO), Russian Federation (GOST R),
South Africa (SABS), Sweden (SIS), United Kingdom (BSI),
Venezuela (FONDONORMA)( )* Participated as P-member since the plenary meeting in October 2005.

(2) O-members (38)Australia (SA), Belarus (BELST), Bosnia and Herzegovina(**) (BAS),
Colombia (ICONTEC), Croatia (HZN), Cuba (NC), Ecuador (INEN),
Egypt (EOS), Estonia (EVS), Finland (SFS), Greece (ELOT),
Hong Kong, China (ITCHKSAR), Hungary (MSZT), Iraq (COSQC)(**),
Ireland (NSAI), Israel (SII), Jamaica (BSJ),
Korea, Democratic People’s Rep. (CSK), Mauritius (MSB), Mexico (DGN),
Moldova, Republic of (INSM), Mongolia (MASM), Netherlands (NEN),
Norway (SN), Saudi Arabia (SASO), Serbia (ISS), Singapore (SPRING SG),
Slovakia (SUTN), Spain (AENOR), Sri Lanka (SLSI), Thailand (TISI),
Trinidad and Tobago (TTBS), Tunisia (INNORPI), Turkey (TSE),
Ukraine (DSSU) (**), USA (ANSI)(**), Viet Nam (TCVN), Zimbabwe (SAZ)(**) Participated as O-member since the plenary meeting in October 2005.

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As of 2008-09-30

Contact Information of ISO/TC 135

TC
135

Chairman / Convener

Secretary

Prof. Hajime Hatano
Chairman of ISO/TC 135
Tokyo University of Science
Department of Applied Electronics
2641 Yamazaki
Noda, 278-8510
Japan
TEL : +81 4 7122 9646
FAX : +81 4 7122 9831
Email : hatano@te.noda.tus.ac.jp

Mr. Takeo Tsuchiya
Secretary of ISO/TC 135
Toshiba Documents Corporation
Toshiba Fuchu Complex
1, Toshiba-machi, Fuchu-shi
Tokyo 183-8511
Japan
TEL : +81 42 333 6850
FAX : +81 42 340 8084
Email : t_tsuchiya@tdoc.toshiba.co.jp

TC
Mrs. Amanda Van der Westhuizen
135/ Chairman of ISO/TC 135/SC 2
SC 2 African NDT Centre (Pty) LTD
P.O. Box 68253, Highveld, Centurion 0169
14 Pieter Street, Techno Park
Centurion, Tshwane
South Africa
TEL : +27 12 665 3248
FAX : +27 12 665 4749
Email : amanda.vdwesthuizen@andtc.com

Mr Vasen Subroyen
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 2
South African Bureau of Standards
1 Dr Lategan Rd, Groenkloof
Private Bag X191
ZA-Pretoria 0001
South Africa
TEL : +27 12 428 6647
FAX : +27 12 344 1568
Email: subroyv@sabs.co.za

TC
Mr. Udo Schlengermann
135/ Chairman of ISO/TC 135/SC 3
SC 3 European Application Center
GE Inspection Technologies GmbH
Robert-Bosch-Strasse 350354 Hürth
Germany
TEL : +49 2233 601 550
FAX : +49 2233 601 402
Email : udo.schlengermann@t-online.deMs. Michaela Treige-Wegener
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 3
DIN Deutsches Institut für Normung e. V.
Burggrafenstrasse 6
DE-10787 Berlin
GermanyTC
Mr. Robert Lévy
135/ Chairman of ISO/TC 135/SC 4
SC 4 76 RUE DES GEMEAUXPARC AFFAIRES SILICINTERCONTROLE
BP 30433
94583 RUNGIS CEDEXFranceTEL : +33 1 49 78 40 44
FAX : +33 1 49 78 41 66
Email : robert.levy@areva.com

M. Annick GALPIN
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 4
Chef de Projet Normalisation
Association Française de Normalisation(AFNOR)11, avenue Francis de Pressensé
FR-93571 La Plaine Saint-Denis Cedex
FranceTEL : +33 1 41 62 85 16
FAX : +33 1 49 17 90 00
Email : annick.galpin@afnor.org-3-

TEL : +49 30 2601 2224
FAX : +49 30 2601 42054
Email : michaela.treige-wegener@din.deChairman / Convener

Secretary

TC
Prof. Heinrich Heidt
135/ Chairman of ISO/TC 135/SC 5
SC 5 Federal Institute for Materials Research
and Testing (BAM)
Unter den Eichen 87
D-12205 Berlin
Germany
TEL : +49 30 8104 1800
FAX : +49 30 8104 1807
Email : heinrich.heidt@bam.deMs. Michaela Treige-Wegener
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 5
DIN Deutsches Institut für Normung e. V.
Burggrafenstrasse 6
DE-10787 Berlin
Germany

Dr. Norikazu OokaTC
135/ Chairman of ISO/TC 135/SC 6
SC 6 The Japan Welding Engineering Society
1-11, Kanda Sakuma-cho, Chiyoda-ku
Tokyo 101-0025
Japan

Mr. Takeo Tsuchiya
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 6
Toshiba Documents Corporation
Toshiba Fuchu Complex
1, Toshiba-machi, Fuchu-shi
Tokyo 183-8511
Japan
TEL : +81 42 333 6850
FAX : +81 42 340 8084
Email : t_tsuchiya@tdoc.toshiba.co.jp

TEL : +49 30 2601 2224
FAX : +49 30 2601 42054
Email : michaela.treige-wegener@din.de

TEL : +81 332 57 1522
FAX : +81 332 55 5196
Email : nori-ooka@rio.odn.ne.jp
TC
Dr. Richard Murphy
135/ Chairman of ISO/TC 135/SC 7
SC 7 NRCan/CAMET
568 Booth Street
Ottawa, ON K1A 0G1
CanadaTEL : +1 613 943 0583
FAX : +1 613 943 8297
Email : rvmurphy@NRCan.gc.ca

Ms. Patricia Wait
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 7
Canadian General Standards Board
Place du Portage, Phase III, 6B1
11 Laurier Street, Hull, QC K1A 1G6
CanadaTEL : +1 819 956 0777
FAX : +1 819 956 5740
Email : patricia.wait@tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca

TC
Mr. Michael L. Turnbow
135/ Convener of ISO/TC 135/SC 7/WG 7
SC 7/ Manager
WG 7 Inspection Services Organization (ISO)Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)
P.O. Box 2000, STC 1I-SQN
Igou Ferry Road
Soddy Daisy, TN 37379USA
TEL : +1 423 843 4303
FAX : + 1 423 843 4266
Email : mlturnbow@tva.gov

Ms. Patricia Wait
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 7/WG 7
Canadian General Standards Board
Place du Portage, Phase III, 6B1
11 Laurier Street, Hull, QC K1A 1G6
CanadaTEL : +1 819 956 0777
FAX : +1 819 956 5740
Email : patricia.wait@tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca-4-Chairman / Convener

SecretaryTC
Dr. Seung-Seok Lee
135/ Chairman of ISO/TC 135/SC 8
SC 8 Center for Environment and Safety
Measurement
Korea Research Institute of Standards andScience (KRISS)
P.O.Box 102, Yuseong, Daejeon, 305-600
Republic of Korea
TEL : +82 42 868 5025
FAX : +82 42 868 5027
Email : sslee@kriss.re.kr

Dr. Man Yong Choi
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 8
Smart Measurement Group
Korea Research Institute of Standards andScience (KRISS)
P.O.Box 102, Yuseong, Daejeon, 305-600
Republic of Korea

TC
Mr. Pedro Feres
135/ Chairman of ISO/TC 135/SC 9
SC 9 Physical Acoustics South America
R. Joaquim Antunes 574
CEP 05415-001, São Paulo, SP
BrazilMr. Claudio Guerreiro
Secretary of ISO/TC 135/SC 9
Coordinator of International Standardization
Associação Brasileira de Normas Técnicas(ABNT)
Av. 13 de Maio, n° 13, 28° andar
BR-20003-901 - Rio de Janeiro-RJ
Brazil
TEL : +55 21 3974 2329
FAX : +55 21 2220 1762
Email : claudio.guerreiro@abnt.org.br

TEL : +55 11 3082 5511
FAX : +55 11 3064 0713
Email : pedro@pasa.com.br-5-

TEL : +82 42 868 5251
FAX : +82 42 868 5650
Email : mychoi@kriss.re.kr

Project Stages and Associated Documents
Code

Stage

00. * *

Preliminary stage

10. * *

Proposal stage

20. * *

Preparatory stage (WD)

30. * *

Committee stage (CD)40. * *

Enquiry stage (DIS)

50. * *

Approval stage (FDIS)

60. * *

Publication stage (ISO)90. * *

Review stage

95. * *

Withdrawal stage-6-

Work Program (10)SC 2
Surface methods
Reference
Title
Stage Date Stage
Penetrant testing - Part 5: Penetrant testing at temperatures higher
FDIS 3452-5
2008-08-07 50.20 than 50 °C
Penetrant testing - Part 6: Penetrant testing at temperatures lower
FDIS 3452-6
2008-08-07 50.20 than 10 °C
Terminology - Terms used in penetrant testing.
CD 12706
2008-08-15 40.60
Terminology - Terms used in magnetic particle testing
NP 12707
2006-10-05 10.20
SC 6
Leak detection methods
Reference
Stage Date Stage
Reinstate of AWI 20521 Terminology on leak testing
00.00

Title

CEN Documents
prEN ISO 3452-5
prEN ISO 3452-6
revised prEN ISO 12706
EN ISO 1330-7

CEN Documents

SC 7/WG 7
Personnel qualification / Performance based qualification and certification
Reference
Title
CEN Documents
Stage Date Stage
Non-destructive testing personnel - Performance based
CD 11774
lifi ti
30.60 qualification
SC 8
Infrared thermography for non-destructive testing
Reference
Title
Stage Date Stage
Standard Guide for Examining Electrical Installations with InfraredNP
2007-09-10 10.98 Thermography
Infrared Thermography in Nondestructive Testing - Characters ofNP
2007-09-10 10.98 Equipment and System
Infrared thermography - Vocabulary and terminology
WD 10878
2008-09-12 20.20
Standard Guide of Nondestructive Testing with InfraredNP
2007-09-10 10.98 Thermography-7-

CEN Documents

International Standards (45)WG 1General terms and definitions
Reference
Publication Date Stage
General terms and definitions
ISO/TS 18173:2005
2005-01-15
90.60

Title

WG 2
Training guidelines
Reference
Title
Publication Date Stage
Guidelines for NDT training syllabuses
ISO/TR 25107:2006
2006-07-01
60.60
Guidelines for NDT personnel training organizations
ISO/TR 25108:2006
2006-07-01
60.60
SC 2
Surface methods
Reference
Title
Publication Date Stage
Metallographic replica techniques of surface examination
ISO 3057:1998
1998-03-15
90.20
Aids to visual inspection - Selection of low-power magnifiers
ISO 3058:1998
1998-03-15
90.20
Penetrant testing and magnetic particle testing - Viewing conditions
ISO 3059:2001
2001-11-01
90.60
Penetrant inspection - General principles
ISO 3452:1984**
Withdrawn
95.99
ISO 3452-1:2008
Penetrant testing - Part 1: General principles(Revision of ISO
2008-09-01
60.60
Penetrant testing - Part 2: Testing of penetrant materials
ISO 3452-2:2006
2006-08-15
60.60
Penetrant testing - Part 3: Reference test blocks
ISO 3452-3:1998
1998-12-15
90.20
ISO 3452-3:1998/Cor
Penetrant testing - Part 3: Reference test blocks - Technical Corrigendum
1:2001
1
2001-02-01
60.60
Penetrant testing - Part 4: Equipment
ISO 3452-4:1998
1998-12-15
90.20
Liquid penetrant inspection - Means of verification
ISO 3453:1984*
Withdrawn
95.99
Magnetic particle testing - Part 1: General principles
ISO 9934-1:2001
2001-12-01
90.60
Magnetic particle testing - Part 2: Detection media
ISO 9934-2:2002
2002-12-01
90.60
Magnetic particle testing - Part 3: Equipment
ISO 9934-3:2002
2002-07-15
90.60
Penetrant flaw detectors - General technical requirements
ISO 9935:1992*
Withdrawn
95.99* Withdrawn March 2007, ** Withdrawn August 2008
SC 3
Ultrasonic testing
Reference
Title
Publication Date Stage
Welds in steel -- Reference block for the calibration of equipment for
ISO 2400:1972**
1972-06-15
90.93 ultrasonic examination
Ultrasonic inspection - Vocabulary
ISO 5577:2000
2000-05-01
90.93
Ultrasonic testing - Specification for calibration block No. 2
ISO 7963:2006***
2006-09-15
60.60
Ultrasonic inspection - Characterization of search unit and sound field
ISO 10375:1997
1997-04-15
90.93
Ultrasonic inspection - Evaluating electronic characteristics of ultrasonic
ISO 12710:2002
2002-09-15
90.93 test instruments
Reference blocks and test procedures for the characterization of contact
ISO 12715:1999
searchh unitunit beam profiles
profiles1999 08 15
1999-08-15
90.93
90 93 searc
ISO 18175:2004
Non-destructive testing - Evaluating performance characteristics of
2004-03-15
90.93 ultrasonic pulse-echo testing systems without the use of electronic*** Transferred from ISO/TC 44/SC 5-8-

CEN Documents

CEN Documents
CEN ISO/TR
25107:2006
CEN ISO/TR
25108:2006

CEN Documents

EN ISO 3059

EN 571-1
EN ISO 3452-2
EN ISO 3452-3

EN ISO 3452-4

EN ISO 9934-1
EN ISO 9934-2
EN ISO 9934-3

CEN Documents

EN 1330-4

EN 12268-2

EN 12223

SC 4
Eddy current methods
Reference
Title
Publication Date StageISO 12718
Eddy current testing - Terminology
2008-08-15
60.60
Equipment for eddy current examination - Part 1: Instrument characteristics
ISO 15548-1
2008-09-15
60.60 and verification
Equipment for eddy current examination - Part 2: Probe characteristics andISO 15548-2
2008-09-15
60.60 verification
Equipment for eddy current examination - Part 3: System characteristics
ISO 15548-3
2008-09-15
60.60 and verification
ISO 15549
Eddy current examination - General principles
2008-08-01
60.60

CEN Documents

EN ISO 12718
EN ISO 15548-1
EN ISO 15548-2
EN ISO 15548-3

SC 5
Radiation methods
Reference
Title
CEN Documents
Publication Date Stage
Industrial X-ray and gamma-ray radiology - Vocabulary
ISO 5576:1997
EN 1330-3
1997-08-01
90.93
Radiographic examination of metallic materials by X- and gamma rays ISO 5579:1998
EN 444
1998-07-01
90.20 Basic rules
Industrial radiographic illuminators -- Minimum requirements
ISO 5580:1985
1985-03-15
90.93
Thermal neutron radiographic testing - General principles and basic rules
ISO 11537:1998
1998-07-15
90.20
ISO 11699-1:1998**** Industrial radiographic films -- Part 1: Classification of film systems forWithdrawn
95.99 industrial radiography
SO 11699-1:2008
EN 584-1
Industrial radiographic film — Part 1: Classification of film systems
2008-09-15
60.60 for industrial radiography (Revision of ISO 11699-1:1998)
Industrial radiographic films - Part 2: Control of film processing by means
ISO 11699
11699-2:1998-2:1998
EN 584-2
584-2
1998-07-01
90.20 of reference values
Thermal neutron radiographic testing - Determination of beam L/D ratio
ISO 12721:2000
2000-04-15
90.93
Qualification of radiographic film digitisation systems - Part 1: Definitions,
ISO 14096-1:2005
EN 14096-1
2005-06-15
90.93 quantitative measurements of image quality parameters, standard reference
film and qualitative control
Qualification of radiographic film digitisation systems - Part 2: Minimum
ISO 14096-2:2005
EN 14096-2
2005-06-15
90.93 requirements
Radiation methods - Computed tomography - Part 1: Principles
ISO 15708-1:2002
2002-06-01
90.93
Radiation methods - Computed tomography - Part 2: Examination practices
ISO 15708-2:2002
2002-07-01
90.93
Image quality of radiographs - Part 1: Image quality indicators (wire type) ISO 19232-1:2004
EN 462-1
2004-07-01
90.93 Determination of image quality value
ISO 19232-1:2004
Image quality of radiographs - Part 1: Image quality indicators (wire type) /Cor 1:2007
Determination of image quality value - Technical Corrigendum 1
2007-07-15
60.60
Image quality of radiographs - Part 2: Image quality indicators (step/hole
ISO 19232-2:2004
EN 462-2
2004-07-01
90.93 type) - Determination of image quality value
ISO 19232-2:2004
Image quality of radiographs - Part 2: Image quality indicators (step/hole/Cor 1:2007
type) - Determination of image quality value - Technical Corrigendum 1
2007-07-15
60.60
Image quality of radiographs - Part 3: Image quality classes for ferrous
ISO 19232-3:2004
EN 462-3
2004-07-01
90.93 metals
ISO 19232-4:2004
EN 462-4
Image quality of radiographs - Part 4: Experimental evaluation of image
2004-07-01
90.93 quality values and image quality tables
Image quality of radiographs - Part 5: Image quality indicators (duplex wire
ISO 19232-5:2004
EN 462-5
2004-07-01
90.93 type) - Determination of image unsharpness value
Test methods for determining residual stresses by neutron diffraction
ISO/TS 21432:2005
CEN ISO TS 21432
2005-07-15
90.20
Test methods for determining residual stresses by neutron diffraction ISO/TS 21432:2005
Technical Corrigendum 1/Cor 1:2008
2008-01-15
60.60
p**** Withdrawn September
2008

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SC 6
Leak detection methods
Reference
Title
Publication Date Stage
Vacuum technology - Mass-spectrometer-type leak-detector calibration
ISO 3530:1979
1979-09-01
90.60
SC 7
Personnel qualification
Reference
Title
Publication Date Stage
Qualification and certification of personnel
ISO 9712:2005
2005-02-15
90.60
ISO 9712:2005
Qualification and certification of personnel - Technical Corrigendum 1/Cor 1:2006
2006-11-01
60.60
Qualification of personnel for limited application of non-destructive testing
ISO 20807:2004
2004-03-01
90.93
SC 7/WG 7
Personnel qualification / Performance based qualification and certification
Reference
Title
Publication Date Stage
ISO/TS 22809:2007 Discontinuities in specimens for use in qualification examinations
2007-11-15
60.60
SC 9
Acoustic emission testing
Reference
Title
Publication Date Stage
Acoustic emission inspection - Primary calibration of transducers
ISO 12713:1998
1998-07-15
90.93
Acoustic emission inspection - Secondary calibration of acoustic emission
ISO 12714:1999
1999-07-15
90.93 sensors
Acoustic emission inspection - Vocabulary
ISO 12716:2001
2001-06-15
90.93- 10 -

CEN Documents

CEN Documents
EN 473:2000

CEN Documents

CEN/TS 15053

CEN Documents

Activity Report
1. 16th Plenary Meeting of ISO/TC 135
ISO/TC 135 held its 16th plenary meeting in Buenos Aires on October 26, 2007. In theplenary, the following were reported:(1) Replacement of TC 135 Chairman and Secretary
The former TC 135 Secretary, Prof. Hatano, was nominated for the new chairman of
TC 135 by JISC in February 2007 and was approved by ISO/CS. Mr. Tsuchiya was
appointed new secretary.
(2) Division of SC3 and Change of its Secretariat
SC 3 was divided into two SCs, namely SC 3 Ultrasonic testing (secretariat;
DIN/Germany) and SC 9 Acoustic emission testing (secretariat; ABNT/Brazil).
(3) Revision of EN473
The progress of revision work of EN 473 was reported with the account on
discrepancy between ISO 9712 and EN 473.
(4) Revision of ISO 11484
ISO/TC 135 opposed to the plan to expand the scope of ISO 11484 Steel tubes forpressure purposes - Qualification and certification of non-destructive testing (NDT)
personnel that was prepared by TC 17 Steel. The objection to the draft ISO 11484
was accepted by TC 17/SC 19 and the draft was amended.
(5) New Work Item Proposal by VAMASThe Versailles Project on Advanced Materials & Standards: Technical Working Area
26 – Full Field Optical Stress and Strain Measurements (VAMAS TWA26), circulated
a letter to TC 135 proposing their two pre-standards on calibration of optical stressand strain gauge as the draft international standards. Their proposal was transferred
to TC 135/SC 2 Surface methods. SC 2 has been examining the contents of VAMAS
standards and will ballot for NWI handled by SC 2.
(6) Cooperation with Other Organizations on NDTThe cooperation with the organization external from ISO (CEN/TC 138, ICNDT, and
EFNDT) and their brief contents were reported.
(7) Next TC 135 Plenary Meeting
It was also reported that ISO/TC 135 was invited by ChSNDT to hold TC 135 plenary
in Shanghai in conjunction with 17WCNDT in 2008. However, TC 135 had to decline
the invitation as TC 135 has just held its plenary and already decided to hold thenext plenary in Moscow in June 2010. Instead of TC 135 plenary, SC 7/WG 7 andSC 8 will hold their meeting in Shanghai in October 2008.
(8) Publication of CEN ISO/TR 25107 and 25108
Concerning CEN ISO/TR 25107 Guidelines for NDT training syllabuses and CEN
ISO/TR 25108 Guidelines for NDT personnel training organizations that wereprepared by ISO/TC 135/WG 2 Training guidelines (Convener Dr. Kozlowski) incooperation with CEN/TC 138, it was reported that these were published on
2006/07/01 after parallel voting by ISO and CEN.

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2. Settlement of the discrepancy between ISO 9712 and EN 473
The discrepancy observed between ISO 9712 and EN 473 is a main concern for mostpeople involved in NDT. In connection with this point the ISO/TC 135 chair andsecretary had a discussion with the CEN/TC 138 chair and secretary at AFNOR, on theway from the ISO Chairs’ Meeting in Geneva, in June 2008. Several measures withbasic policy were talked among them but specific method for settlement needs further
discussion. ISO/TC 135 and CEN/TC 138 will continue to solve this problem.
3. New and Possible Liaisons(1) Liaison with ISO/TC 108/SC 5
TC 135/SC 7, 8 and 9 have established a liaison with ISO/TC 108/SC 5 “Mechanicalvibration and shock/condition monitoring and diagnostics of machines”. The main
purpose of these liaisons is the cooperation in the field of application of acoustic andthermal methods to preventive maintenance.
(2) Liaison with INLAC
INLAC (Latino American Institute for Quality Assurance) proposed ISO/TC 135 toestablish a liaison. This proposal will be ballot (Committee Internal Ballot) inside TC
135.

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Message to CEN/TC 138 (March2007)

ISO/TC 135 N 310
Transmission
Our Date

07-03-19

Our Ref.

07L003

Number of pages: 2(Incl. this page)

From: ISO/TC 135 Secretariat
Japanese Society for
Non-Destructive Inspection
MBR99 Bldg., 67 Kanda-sakumagashi
Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo, 101-0026 Japan
Phone : +81 3 5821 5101
Fax
: +81 3 3863 6524
Email : iso@jsndi.or.jp

To: Chairman of CEN/TC 138
Secretary of CEN/TC 138
Cc: ISO Central Secretariat
Conveners of ISO/TC 135/SC 7/WGs
Chairman of ICNDTPresident of EFNDT
President of APCNDT

Subject: Revision of EN 473:2000
Dear Mr. Kozlowski and Mr. Chapelain:
Thank you for the document N 870 Result of electronic balloting for CEN enquiry of prEN 473 Non
destructive testing - Qualification and certification of NDT personnel - General principles.
We are still concerned about the current revision of EN 473:2000, since, as we explained before(please refer to ISO/TC 135 N 305), the proposed changes could cause substantial divergence
between EN 473 and ISO 9712:2005: Non-destructive testing - Qualification and certification of
personnel. We are afraid that the revision could put ISO/TC 135 members, including of course,
European members, in a difficult position regarding qualification and certification of NDT personnel.
As per the role of a special liaison to comply with the Vienna agreement, we would like to propose
at the minimum, that the fundamental parameters such as training hours, should be either
unchanged from EN 473:2000 or aligned with ISO 9712:2005, provided that this subject isreviewed during the next revision of ISO 9712. For your consideration, a table of training
requirements is attached. In the table, training hours of ISO 9712 are converted to those exclusiveof level1 or level 2 for comparison with EN 473.
We would appreciate it if our proposal be considered at the next CEN/TC 138 meeting scheduled
for April 2007 in Paris, and we look forward to seeing you there.
Best Regards,

Hajime Hatano

Richard V. Murphy

Chairman, ISO/TC 135

Chairman, ISO/TC 135/SC 7

Takeo Tsuchiya

Patricia A. Dolhan

Secretary, ISO/TC 135

Secretary, ISO/TC 135/SC 7- 13 -

Training requirements
Level 1(hours)NDT Method

EN 473 1)

Level 2(hours)ISO 9712 1)

EN 473 2)

Level 3(hours)ISO 9712 3)

EN 473 2)

ISO 9712 3)

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B - Pressure method

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31

24

21

32

36

32

24

24

24

24

24

32

20

16

24

24

24

24

24

20

40

40

80

80

80

80

72

40

72

40

40

80

80

80

80

72

40

16

16

24

24

24

24

24

Notes: 1) Minimum requirements.
2)
Minimum requirements, exclusive of level 1 or level 2.
3)
Minimum requirements, converted to those exclusive of level 1 or level 2.

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Comparison of training requirements (As of September 2008)

NDT Method

EN 473 1)

Level 1(hours)CEN ISO
ISO 9712 1)
TR 25107

2000

2008

E 4)

AT

40

64

38.5 24.0

40

ET

40

40

19.0 19.0

40

LT A - Basic knowledge

8

8

7.0

B - Pressure method

14

16

C - Tracer gas method

18

MT

EN 473 2)

P 5) 2005 1999 2000

Level 2(hours)CEN ISO
ISO 9712 3)
TR 25107

2008

E 4)

64

64

36.0 23.0

64

40

40

25.0 23.0

64

8

16

8

10.0

13.5

14

28

24

16

18.5

18

36

16

16

18.5 10.0

16

16

PT

16

16

9.0

8.0

16

RT

40

72

40.5 32.5

UT

40

64

VT

16

16

EN 473 2)
2008

E 4)

P 5) 2005 1999

48

44.5

4.0

46

40

29.5 14.0

46

16

8

11.0

12

29.0

31

24

22.5

21

32

37.0

36

32

28.5

24

24

24

27.0 12.5

24

24

32

31.0

3.0

20

16

24

24

16.0 11.0

24

24

24

20.0

3.0

20

40

40

80

80

83.0 20.0

80

80

72

91.5 31.0

40

38.0 24.0

40

40

80

80

57.0 38.0

80

80

72

54.5 28.0

40

11.0 10.0

16

24

24

17.5 7.75

24

24

21.0

24

40

P 5) 2005 1999 2000

Level 3(hours)CEN ISO
ISO 9712 3)
TR 25107

Notes: 1) Minimum requirements.
2)
Minimum requirements. Exclusive of level 1 or level 2.
3)
Minimum requirements. Figures were converted to exclude training hours of level 1 or level 2.
4)
Educational training time.
5)
Practical training time.

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Discussion Between CEN and ISO(June 2008)

ISO/TC 135 N 334
Transmission

Our Date

08-07-17

Our Ref.

08L009Number of pages: 5 (Incl. this page)
To: ISO Central Secretariat
P-members of ISO/TC 135
O-members of ISO/TC 135
Chairmen of ISO/TC 135/SCs
Secretaries of ISO/TC 135/SCs
Chairman of CEN/TC 138
Secretary of CEN/TC 138
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Subject: Discussion on the solution of discrepancy between ISO 9712 and EN 473
Dear Sir or Madam,This is to inform you of the recent discussion held between ISO/TC 135 and CEN/TC 138.
On our return from ISO TC/SC Chairs’ Conference 2008 held in Geneva, Chairman and
Secretary of TC 135 visited AFNOR to discuss with CEN/TC 138 to solve the recent
discrepancies between ISO 9712 and EN 473. Formerly in September 2007, Mr. Kozlowski,
the Chairman of CEN/TC 138, proposed to establish Joint WG between ISO and CEN.
However, this proposal could not be discussed in previous TC 135 plenary in Buenos Aires in
October 2007 because of his absence due to health problem but only introduced to theparticipants to the plenary. In order to start the discussion on their proposal in SC 7 meeting inShanghai this October, the outline of establishment of Joint WG needs to be discussed
between ISO and CEN in advance. For this purpose Chairman and Secretary visited AFNOR.
In the meeting TC 135 Chairman expressed that the proposal of joint WG was too late taking
the revision of EN 473 into account because that the revision of EN 473 has been completed
already (see attached CEN/TC 138 N976), and that the establishment of Joint WG will
become meaningless without revision of EN 473.
Responding to this, Mr. Kozlowski expressed the basic idea on the conformity between ISO
9712 and EN 473 (see attached CEN/TC 138 N977). His opinion was to start the discussion
by Joint WG prior to the revision of systematic review of ISO 9712 for its effective review. He
also expressed to participate in SC 7 meeting in Shanghai to discuss this matter.
TC 135’s response to this subject will be discussed by TC 135/SC 7, as the main subject is tosolve the discrepancies between ISO 9712 and EN 473.
However, all SCs of ISO/TC 135 are also related to this subject to some extent and requested
to watch the progress from the viewpoint of each SC.
Sincerely,

Hajime Hatano

Takeo Tsuchiya

Chairman, ISO/TC 135

Secretary, ISO/TC 135- 16 -