リモート・インタビュー REMOTE INTERVIEW

サヘル・ローズへのインタビュー〜 在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方 〜

An interview with Ms. Sahel Rosa

how the education of foreign children should be

寄稿文 CONTRIBUTION

相談の中の風景 Scenes in Consultation

別冊 愛 volume of Ai

Supplementary

MY STORY

日本での定住30年を迎える Marking 30 years of life in Japan

2021.2

学習まんが LEARNING MANGA

なんみんと日本 Refugees and JapanFoundation for the Welfare and
Education of the Asian People

アジア福祉教育財団

公益財団法人

この冊子は、の社会貢献広報事業として助成を受け作成されたものです。

CONTENTS
02

はじめに INTRODUCTION
第 1 章 CHAPTER 1

07《 リモート・インタビュー 》

サヘル・ローズへのインタビュー〜 在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方 〜
女優

サヘル・ローズ

Remote interview AN INTERVIEW WITH MS. SAHEL ROSA
how the education of foreign children should be

SAHEL ROSA / Actress

第 2 章 CHAPTER 2

23《 寄稿文 》

相談の中の風景
難民相談員 佐藤 千恵子
Contribution SCENES IN CONSULTATIONCHIEKO SATO / Refugee Counselor

第 3 章 CHAPTER 3

45《 MY STORY 》

日本での定住 30 年を迎える
模範難民定住者

フィン・ロン・クワン

MARKING 30 YEARS OF LIFE IN JAPANMr. HUYNH LONG QUAN / Exemplary Settled Refugee

My Story

第 4 章 CHAPTER 4

51《学習まんが》なんみんと日本
Learning manga

表紙イラストFrom cover illustration

REFUGEES AND JAPAN

東大寺の大仏殿と大仏

奈良の東大寺の大仏殿(正式には金堂）
は西暦1709 年に完成した、伝統的木造軸組建築による世界最大の建築物である。本尊の大仏（正式には盧舎那仏）
像は、大仏殿と共に我が国の国宝に指定されている。

Daibutsu-den and the Great Buddha of Todai-ji Temple
Daibutsu-den (or the Great Buddha hall) of Todai-ji Temple in Nara City was built in 1709 AD. It is the world largest woodenbuilding built by using construction method of wooden framework. The Great Buddha (or Vairocana-Buddha) is the principal imageof Todai-ji Temple, and, together with its hall, it is designated as a National Treasure of Japan.

昨年 1 月に日本でも第一号の感染者が出Since the first infection was identified in

た新型コロナウイルス感染症は、本年 1 月中Japan in January last year, COVID-19 has

旬には累積感染者が約 36 万人、死者が約

been sweeping through the country, with

4 千 6 百人に達するなど猛威を振るっています。新型コロナウイルス感染症は、私たちの健康と生命を脅かし、経済に大きな打撃を与えただけではなく、日々の暮らしぶりまで変えてしまったように思われます。
コロナ禍は、日本での難民定住者や難民

the number of accumulated cases reachingapproximately 360,000 and the number ofdeaths reaching approximately 4,600 in midJanuary this year. COVID-19 threatens ourhealth, lives and has had a huge impact on
the economy. It also seems to have changed
our daily lives significantly.

認定申請者の方々にも深刻な影響を及ぼし

The COVID-19 pandemic has also had aています。幸いに感染を免れた方々でも、解serious negative impact on settled refugees

雇されたり、大幅に賃金がカットされたりして、

and applicants for refugee status in Japan.

生活に困窮するケースが目立っています。こうした実情に対処するため、私たちアジア福祉教育財団では、昨年 4 月末から、新型コ
ロナウイルス感染症に関する各種の情報を日
本語、英語のほか難民定住者が母国語とする４つの言語により SNS で発信すると共に、

Even if they have not been infected with
COVID-19, many people have fallen intopoverty after being laid off from their jobs
or forced to take significant wage cuts. To
respond to this situation, the Foundation
for the Welfare and Education of the Asian
People (FWEAP) has delivered a variety

経済的に困窮した難民定住者等の方々へのof information on COVID-19 via social

総額約 1,100 万円の食糧、生活必需品の緊

media in four languages of settled refugees

急支援を行いました。このような財団の支援

in addition to Japanese and English. Since

活動については、本編「愛」で紹介しておりますのでご覧ください。

the end of April last year, we have also
provided emergency support amounting toapproximately 11 million yen by supplying02さて、今回の別冊「愛」では、日々の暮ら

food and daily necessities to settled refugees

しでの困難を克服しようとした人の体験談や、

and others who are experiencing financial

悩みのある方々を励まし、支援する方々の活

difficulties. Please see the report in “Ai”

動などを中心に紹介しています。コロナ禍で苦しむ中、こうした体験や活動をお伝えする
ことで、読者の皆様に少しでも勇気と希望をお届けできたらと考えたからです。
第一章では、日本で活躍するイラン出身の女優、サヘル・ローズさんの「リモート・イン

support activities.
This supplementary issue of “Ai” mainly
introduces the experiences of people whohave struggled to overcome difficulties intheir daily lives, it also showcases activitiesof people encouraging and supporting those

タビュー」を紹介しています。現在、私たち

who are experiencing hardship. Even in theの財団では、第三国定住難民の家族としてmidst of the COVID-19 pandemic, we hope

日本に定住することとなったミャンマーの子

to give all of our readers a little courage

供たちに対して、学校の勉強をサポートする補習事業を行うことを検討しており、そのための準備を進めていますが、そんな折、ある新聞に載ったサヘルさんへのインタビュー記
事が目に留まりました。記事の中でサヘルさんは、日本で生活する外国籍の子供たちに

and hope by sharing these experiences andactivities.
Titled “Remote Interview,” Chapter 1
features an interview with Ms. Sahel Rosa,an Iranian actress who is active in Japan.
FWEAP is currently planning and preparing

対して、「強がらなくてもいいんだよ」、「一緒

to run a supplementary study program toに乗り越えよう」などと、やさしく呼びかけsupport the school studies of Myanmarています。サヘルさん自身も、8 歳の時にイchildren who have settled in Japan as the

ランから来日し、言葉も習慣も異なる日本の学校で勉強した経験をお持ちであるそうです。
そこで、サヘルさんからお話を伺うことにしました。
第二章は、私たちの財団のベテラン難民相談員である佐藤千恵子さんが書かれた「相談の中の風景」です。インドシナ難民として03

magazine for information on FWEAP’sfamily members of refugee settlers fromthird countries. We came across a newspaperinterview with Ms. Rosa in which she senta gentle message to foreign children living
in Japan, saying, “You don’t have to pretend
to be strong” and “Let’s overcome this
together.” Having moved to Japan from Iranat the age of eight, Ms. Rosa has experienced
for herself having to study at a JapaneseINTRODUCTION

日本に来られた人々は、先ず、姫路、大和、

school and become accustomed to a different

品川などの研修施設で日本語や生活ガイダ

language and customs. Due to this, we

ンスの研修を受けた後、国内各地に定住さ

wished to speak with her.

れました。最後のインドシナ難民が研修を受けたのは 15 年前になりますが、その後の定住生活でも、やはり、言葉も生活習慣も違う
日本で暮らすことには大きな困難が伴います。
このため、私たちの財団では、こうした難民の人々が日本の地域社会に溶け込み、安定した生活を送れるようにするため、定期的に

Chapter 2 is written by Ms. Chieko Sato,an experienced refugee counselor at FWEAP,
under the title “Scenes in Consultation.”
People who came to Japan as refugees from
Indochina first received Japanese language
training and lifestyle guidance at one ofthree training centers located in Himeji of

難民相談員を派遣して、生活上の問題や悩

Hyogo Pref., Yamato of Kanagawa Pref.,みの解決をサポートしています。佐藤さんはand Shinagawa of Tokyo Pref. before

大ベテランの相談員であり、25 年以上にわた

settling in various places across Japan. Itるベトナム、ラオス、カンボジアの難民定住者の方々との接触を通じて「心に残った風景」
を寄稿頂きました。
第三章は、元ベトナム難民であるフィン・ロン・クワンさんの「My Story」です。私たち

has been 15 years since the last Indochina
refugees received this training, but manyare still facing difficulties due to the striking
differences between the cultures. For thisreason, FWEAP offers support by regularly
dispatching refugee counselors to help
support refugee communities and resolveの当財団が毎年秋に開催している「日本定住any disputes that they may have. With over

難民とのつどい」では、地域社会への貢献や、

25 years of interactions with settled refugees

難民コミュニティ内での互助活動などに功績from Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, aのある方を表彰していますが、クワンさんもその一人で、2019 年に表彰されました。クワンさんのプロフィールと活動についてお話を伺いました。
第四章の「学習まんが」は、別冊「愛」の中でも、特に人気のあるコンテンツです。今
回はミャンマー出身の条約難民で、現在はveteran counselor, Ms. Sato wrote about“sceneries that left a deep impression in herheart”.
Chapter 3 features “My Story,” astold by Mr. Huynh Long Quan, a former
Vietnamese refugee. At the annual Festival
for Settled Refugees in Japan, we honor
those who have contributed to the local

04INTRODUCTION

UNIQLO で有名なファーストリテーリング社

community and demonstrated outstandingに就職し、都内の店舗の店長代行として活躍

achievements in mutual assistance activities

しているチン・ハウ・ルンさんをご紹介します。

within the refugee community. Mr. Quan,

より多くの方に今回の別冊「愛」をお楽しみいただければ幸いです。読者の皆様も、くれぐれも健康にご留意の上お過ごしください。

who was honored in 2019, talked about his
background and activities.
Titled “Learning MANGA,” Chapter
4 is one of the most popular features inthis supplementary issue of “Ai” In this2021 年 2 月

chapter, we introduce Ms. Cing Hau Lun,

アジア福祉教育財団職員一同a convention refugee from Myanmar who
is currently working as an acting store
manager for Fast Retailing, a Japaneseapparel company that is well known for the
UNIQLO brand.
We hope that many people will enjoy
reading this supplementary issue of “Ai” andsincerely wish you all good health.

February 2021
FWEAP staff

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第1章
サヘル・ローズへのインタビュー～在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方～
Remote interview >> An interview with Ms. Sahel Rosa
­ how the education of foreign children should be

女優

サヘル・ローズ
Ms. Sahel Rosa
Actress

1985 年イラン生まれ。７歳までイランの孤児院で過ごし、8 歳で養母とともに来日。高校生の時から芸能活動を始め、主演映画『冷たい床』は様々な国際映画祭へ正式出品され、イタリア・ミラノ国際映画祭にて最優秀主演女優賞を受賞した。
芸能活動以外にも、国際人権 NGO の「すべての子どもに家庭を」の活動で親善大使を務め、アメリカで人権活動家賞を受けた。今後も世界各地を訪れながら、難民キャンプや孤児・ストリートチルドレンなどを支援していきたいと考えている由。
Born in Iran in 1985, she lived in an orphanage until the age ofseven. She then came to Japan with her adoptive mother at theage of eight.
She started her entertainment career when she was in high school.
Playing the lead role in the movie Cold Feet, which was officiallyexhibited at various international film festivals, she won the Best
Lead Actress award at the Milan International Film Festival (MIFF).
In addition to her career as an actress, she serves as a goodwill
ambassador for the international NGO Human Rights Watch
campaign “a home for every child”. Her work has not been limited
to Japan as in fact, she has received a human rights award in the
United States. She wants to continue to support refugee camps,
orphans, and street children as she travels the world.

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CHAPTER 1

INTERVIEW
女優

サヘル・ローズ さん
Ms. Sahel Rosa Actress〜在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方〜
How the educationof foreign children should beinterviewerΠζΠෳࢳ‫گ‬үࡔ஄ཀྵࣆௗึࠦʀ૱ແ෨ௗ

҈ࡋ࿪ඛ

Kazuhiko Anzai
Advisor to the President,Senior Director of General Affairs Division,
Foundation for the Welfare & Education of the Asian People

はじめに
今回のリモート・インタビューに先立ち、私ど

府は 1979 年 11 月にベトナム等からの難民への定もはサヘル・ローズさんの所属する事務所を通じ住支援事業を開始し、当財団は同事業を受託してて、サヘルさんご本人に対し、以下に述べる「ア難民への日本語研修、社会生活適応指導、就職あっジア福祉教育財団の歴史」を予め説明しました。

せんを実施しました。こうして 2006 年 3 月末ま

ここでは読者の皆様の中で、当財団をご存知ないで受け入れたベトナム、ラオス、カンボジアの三方のために、参考までに掲載させて頂きます。

国からの難民をインドシナ難民と呼んでいます。

アジア福祉教育財団は 1969 年 12 月に設立さ1982 年 1 月に日本は「難民条約」に加盟しまれた財団であり、2019 年に創立 50 周年を迎えましたが、これを受けて改正された「出入国管理及した。財団設立当時は、ベトナムでの戦争孤児のび難民認定法」に基づき個別に難民と認定された自立支援事業として、1973 年 9 月にサイゴン（現人々を条約難民と呼んでいます。条約難民への日

ホーチミン・シティー）郊外に戦争孤児のための本語研修や社会生活適応指導、就職あっせんは、

寄宿舎兼職業訓練学校を建設し、100 人の孤児に都内にある当財団の研修施設で行っています。

職業訓練を始めましたが、1975 年 4 月にサイゴ

更に 2010 年からは、日本政府が国連の難民高ンが陥落し、職業訓練学校が新政府に接収された

等弁務官事務所（UNHCR）と連携して開始した「第ため、現地での事業の継続が不可能となりました。

三国定住計画」の下、ミャンマー出身難民で隣国

このため戦争孤児支援に代え、アジア諸国の福（タイやマレーシア）に一次滞在している人々を祉担当行政官を日本に招き、日本の福祉事情を視受入れ、条約難民と同様に日本政府による定住支

察し、その体験を帰国後に生かしてもらうべく「ア援事業を当財団が行っています。「第三国定住計

ジア諸国福祉関係者招待事業」を開始しました。

画」にて受入れている難民は第三国定住難民と呼また、その頃からベトナム難民が『ボート・ピー

んでいます。

プル』として来日するようになったため、日本政07

INTRODUCTION
4 歳のとき、イラン・イラク戦争の最中、孤児となる。孤児院
時代、当時大学生でボランティア活動をしていたフローラ・ジャ
スミンさんの養子となる。家族を亡くし出生名が不明だったた
め、フローラさんがサヘル・ローズ（砂漠に咲く薔薇）と名づけた。“ 薔薇は砂漠に咲かないはずだが、自らの力で困難に立ち向かう力強さを持ってほしい ” との想いが込められている。

サヘル・ローズさんとフローラ・ジャスミンさん
Ms.Sahel Rosa and Ms.Flora Jasmine

At the age of four, Ms. Sahel became an orphan during the Iran-Iraq
War. She was adopted from an orphanage by Ms. Flora Jasmine, auniversity student who was also working as a volunteer. Being such ayoung age at the time of the war, her birth name was unknown. Ms.
Jasmine named her Sahel Rosa (meaning a rose blooming on a desert
in the hope that she would "be strong enough to face difficulties on
her own, like roses that bloom even on a desert where they are notexpected to be."ヨルダン・ザアタリ難民キャンプにて
At Zaatari refugee camp in Jordan

Preface
Prior to this remote interview, we provided Ms. Rosa

1979. Entrusted by the government to undertake thesewith an explanation of the history of the Foundation for the

projects, FWEAP started providing Japanese language

Welfare and Education of the Asian People (FWEAP), as

education, guidance on life in Japan, and job referral

described below, through the entertainment agency that

services. Refugees from Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia,

represents her. For those of you who are not familiar with

who were accepted until the end of March 2006, are

FWEAP, the following is a brief profile of our history for yourreferred to as "Indochinese refugees."

reference.

Having become a signatory to the Convention Relating

Founded in December 1969, FWEAP celebrated its 50th

to the Status of Refugees (also known as the Refugee

anniversary in 2019. After its establishment, FWEAP built

Convention) in January 1982, Japan amended its

a dormitory and a vocational training school for Vietnam

Immigration Control and Refugee Recognition Act. People

War orphans in a suburb of Saigon (now Ho Chi Minh City)

who are individually recognized as refugees based onin September 1973 and then started providing vocational

the Refugee Convention are referred to as "convention

training for 100 orphans to support their independence.

refugees." Resettlement assistance for convention refugees

However, after the fall of Saigon in April 1975, vocational

is provided at our support center in Tokyo in the form of

training schools were confiscated by the new government,

Japanese language education, guidance on life in Japan,

which made it impossible for FWEAP to continue its

and job referral services.

operations in Vietnam.

In 2010, Japan started accepting Myanmar refugees

For this reason, FWEAP shifted its focus from supporting

who are temporarily living in neighboring countries

war orphans to launch its "Invitation to Social Welfare(mainly Thailand and Malaysia) under the third-country

Officials from Asian Countries" program to invite people

resettlement program started by the Japanese government

engaged in social welfare activities in other Asian countries

in collaboration with the United Nations High Commissioner

to visit Japan so that they could inspect the welfare systems

for Refugees (UNHCR). FWEAP has been entrusted byand then share and leverage their experiences backthe Japanese government to provide settlement support

home. Around that time, Vietnamese refugees—known asprojects for Myanmar refugees in the same way as we do"boat people"—began arriving in Japan, so the Japanese

for convention refugees. Refugees accepted under thegovernment launched settlement support projects forthird-country resettlement program are referred to as "third-

refugees from Vietnam and other countries in November

country resettled refugees."08

CHAPTER 1

INTERVIEWࢢʹ΍࣎େ͹͕͢Ξ͗‫ئ‬௃ͮͱ͏ΖࢡΝࣙ෾ͪͬͳ॑͸ͱ͏ͪ
I watched Oshin doing her best during
her childhood and I related to her.

I heard that when you were a child, youwatched Japanese TV programs such as Oshin andM ito Komon in Iran. Oshin is well known andpopular overseas, but what attracted you to Mito
Komon?

The version of Mito Komon that was broadcasted in Iranat that time was not the live-action version but the
animated version. I was attracted to the foreign clothing
and culture, rather than the story itself. Children withparents learn about language and customs from theirparents, but children in orphanages rarely go out so they
develop their common sense from TV programs.

ɻɻɻɻɻ༰ঙ‫غ‬ɼ΢ϧϱͲʲ͕͢ΞʳΏʲਭ‫ރ‬ԭ໵ʳ͵ʹ͹ೖຌ͹τϪϑ൬ૌΝ‫͖ͳͪ͏ͱݡ‬ɽք֐Ͳ͹ʲ͕͢Ξʳ͹ਕ‫ـ‬ͺ༙໌Ͳͤ͗ʲਭ‫ރ‬ԭ໵ʳͺʹ͹Γ͑͵఼Ͷຳ͖Ηͪ͹Ͳ͖ͤʃ౲࣎΢ϧϱͲ๎ૻ͠Ηͱ͏ͪ͹ͺࣰࣺ͹ʲਭ‫ރ‬Oshin was a heroine to us orphans. We watched her
doing her best during her childhood and we related toher, believing "If we do our best, someone will bewatching us." Therefore, Oshin as an adult was not very
impressive to me but I really empathized with Oshin as achild because she was in similar circumstances to ours.

ԭ໵ʳͲͺ͵͚ɼΠωϟ൝ɽ࿫͹಼༲Ͷऔ͖Ηͪͳ͏͑ΓΕͺɼҡࠅ͹ෲૹΏชԿͶऔ͖ΗΉͪ͢͸ɽ਎͗͏Ζࢢʹ΍ͺ਎͖Δ‫ݶ‬ཁΏस‫׵‬Ν‫گ‬ΚΖ͞ͳ͗Ͳ͘Ήͤ͗ɼ‫ࣉݿ‬Ӆ͹ࢢʹ΍ͪͬͺ‫خ‬ຌదͶ֐ड़͗Ͳ͘͵͏ͪΌ৙ࣟͺτϪϑ൬ૌ͖Δ‫گ‬ΚΕΉͤɽDo you think you kind of expected Mito
Komon to fill the role of your father?

Kind of, yes. I thought, "If my father were alive, I
would have been able to live more freely," so I have
longed for the presence of a father since childhood.

ʲ͕͢Ξʳͺࢴͪͬ‫ࣉݿ‬ͶͳͮͱϐʖϫʖͲͪ͢ɽ
ࢢʹ΍࣎େ͹͕͢Ξ͗‫ئ‬௃ͮͱ͏ΖࢡΝࣙ෾ͪͬͳ॑͸ɼʰ‫ئ‬௃Ηͻ୯͖͗‫͚ͱݡ‬Ηͱ͏Ζ͖΍͢Η͵͏ʱͳࢧͮͱ͏Ήͪ͢ɽͲ͖ͤΔɼ୉ਕ͹͕͢Ξͺ͍ΉΕһেͶ࢔ͮͱ͏ΉͦΞ͗ɼࣙthe second grade of elementary school in Shiki City,
Saitama Prefecture?

෾ͪͬ͹‫ڧ‬۲ͳࣇ௪ͮͱ͏Ζࢢʹ΍͹ࠔ͹͕͢My adoptive mother's husband prepared the necessaryΞͶͺ͚ͤ͟‫͢״ڠ‬Ήͪ͢ɽ

documents, so I was able to start attending schoolɻɻɻɻɻ͕෗༹͹ༀׄΝਭ‫ރ‬ԭ໵Ͷ‫ٽ‬Όͱ͏ͪͳ͏͑͞ͳͺʃͨΗ΍͍Ζͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽʰ΍͕͢෗͠Ξ͗͏ͪΔɼ

09

After you came to Japan in August 1993
at the age of eight, how long did it take you to enter

immediately after I arrived in Japan. I arrived during
su m mer vacation, so I act ually st ar ted going toelementary school from the second term of that school
year.
Were there any other students with΍ͮͳࣙ༟Ͷਫ਼͘ͱ͏ͪͫ͜Θ͑͵ʱͳࢧͮͱ

foreign roots at the elementary school?

͏ͪ͹Ͳɼঘ͠͵ࠔ͖Δ෗਎ͳ͏͑ଚࡑͶͺಎ

No, none. I was the first foreign child to attend the在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方 サヘル・ローズ さん
Ms. Sahel Rosa
How the education of foreign children should beΗΝ์͏ͱ͏Ήͪ͢ɽ

school. So, I guess I stood out in a sense. One of thelunch ladies at the school worried about my mother andɻɻɻɻɻ ೧  ݆Ͷ  ࡂͲཔೖ͢ͱɼ࡝‫ݟۆ‬ࢦ໨ࢤͶ͍Ζঘָߏ͹  ೧ਫ਼͹έϧηͶ೘ΖΉͲɼʹ͹͚Δ͏͹‫ؔغ‬Νགྷ͢Ή͖ͪ͢ʃ౲࣎฾͹݃࠙૮घͫͮͪ๏͗ॶఈ͹ॽྪΝ༽қ͢ͱ͚Ηͱ͏ͪ͹Ͳɼཔೖ‫͛ͤޛ‬Ͷ೘ָͤΖ͞ͳ͗Ͳ͘Ήͪ͢ɽೖຌ΃པͪ͹͗ͬΒ͑ʹՈ‫ٵ‬Ί͹‫ͪ͢Ͳؔغ‬͹ͲɼࣰࡏͶঘָߏͶ௪͏࢟Όͪ͹ͺָ̐‫͖غ‬ΔͶ͵ΕΉͤɽɻɻɻɻɻͨ͹ঘָߏͶͺγϖϩ͠ΞҐ֐Ͷͺ֐

I, and later on she kindly took care of us. She confessedthat she was worried because I was always alone, evenoutside of school, and seemed to be without parents.
I heard that you received one-on-one
Japanese lessons from the princ ipal of yourelementary school from morning until noon. The
episode when the principal taught you the word
mizu (water) while opening the faucet reminded meof the interactions bet ween Helen Keller, theAmerican woman who suf fered from threedisabilities (being blind, deaf and mute) from
infancy, and her tutor Anne Sullivan.

ࠅͶϩʖς͹͍Ζਫ਼ైͺ͏Ή͖ͪ͢ʃ
I'm not sure if the principal was aware of Helen Keller,͏͵͖ͮͪͲͤɽࢴ͗ॵΌͱ͓ܶ೘ΗΔΗͪ֐

but he placed a lot of importance on learning words byࠅ͹ࢢʹ΍Ͳͪ͢ɽͲ͖ͤΔɼ͏͏қັͲ໪ཱིͮ

focusing on the five senses, not just copying them fromͱ͏Ήͪ͢ɽ‫ޛ‬ʓࢴͪͬ฾ࢢ͹ਫ਼‫׈‬͹੊࿫Ν͢

a textbook to memorize them. This approach was easierͱ͚ΗΖΓ͑Ͷ͵Ζ‫ڇ‬ৱ͹͕ͻͬΎΞ͗͏Ζ͹for me because the words seemed to become engrainedͲͤ͗ɼ൶ঃͺߏ֐Ͳ΍ࢴ͗̏ਕͲ͏Ζͳ͞ΘΝ‫ͱ͖͜ݡ‬ɼʰ͞͹ࢢͺՁ‫ͯ͏ބ‬΍̏ਕͲ͏Ζ͹ͫΘ͑ʃ਎͗ͨͻͶ͏͵͏͹ͫΘ͑ʃʱͳ‫ـ‬Ͷֽ͜ͱ͏ͪͨ͑Ͳͤɽ

in my body. Under the English education system inJapan, you must learn everything accurately becauseeven a single error in your choice of conjunction leadst o p oi nt s b e ing de ducted. Howeve r, t he key t ocommunication is having the will and courage to try toconvey what you want to say, even if you do not say itɻɻɻɻɻঘָߏ͹ߏௗ઎ਫ਼͖Δɼ‫ޗ‬઴஦͖Δ஫

perfectly. Given this, I think teachers should helpΉͲೖຌ‫ޢ‬͹ࢨ಍ΝϜϱōςʖōϜϱͲणͪ͜ͳซ

students to say what they intend to say.

͘Ήͪ͢ɽͨ͹ࡏʰਭಕ͹आ޳Νͽ͸ͮͱʲΊͥʳͳ‫͚ͱ͓گ‬Ηͪʱͳ͏͑Φϒλʖχͺɼࢀ॑‫ۦ‬ʤ‫ݡ‬͓͵͏ɼซ͓͞͵͏ɼ͢Ύ΄Η͵͏ʥ͹্͗͏ंͲ͍ͮͪΠϟϨΩਕ͹ϖϪϱōίϧʖͳՊఋ‫ࢥگ‬ΠϱōγϨώϱ઎ਫ਼ͳ͹ΏΕͳΕΝࢧ͏ड़͢Ήͪ͢ɽߏௗ઎ਫ਼͗ϖϪϱʀίϧʖΝқࣟ͢ͱ͏͖ͪͺ෾͖ΕΉͦΞɽͲ΍ߏௗ઎ਫ਼ͺ‫گ‬ՌॽͶ͍Ζ͞ͳΝॽ͏ͱͪͫҋ‫ͦ͠ى‬Ζ͹Ͳͺ͵͚ɼ‫״ޔ‬Ν॑ࢻͪ͢‫͓گ‬๏Ν୉ࣆͶ͢ͱ͏Ήͪ͢ɽͨ͹๏͗ରͶઝΊͯ͏ͱְ͓Ώͤ͏ΞͲͤ͸ɽྭ͓ͻɼೖຌ͹ӵ‫گޢ‬үͺંକࢼ̏ͯؔҩ͓ͪͫ͜Ͳ‫ݰ‬఼Ͷ͵ΖͪΌɼਜ਼֮ͶΏΔ͵͜Ηͻ͵Δ͵͏ͳ

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While walking around the school with me, the principalͳͺɼฤ‫Ͳݶ‬΍ࣙ෾͹ఽ͓ͪ͏͞ͳΝఽ͓Γ͑ͳ

would translate what we saw into Japanese. Thanks toͤΖқࢦͳ༒‫ـ‬Ν࣍ͯ͞ͳͲͤɽͲͤ͹Ͳɼ‫͓گ‬him, I was able to enjoy learning Japanese without fearΖଈͺɼ૮घ͗ࣙ෾͹ఽ͓ͪ͏͞ͳΝ੢Ͷड़ͦΖand managed to memorize 10 words a day, which wasΓ͑घঁ͜Ν͢ͱ͍͝Ζ΄ͫ͘ͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽmy daily goal.

ߏௗ઎ਫ਼ͺɼҲॻͶߏ಼Νิ͘͵͗Δ໪Ͷ೘ͮͪ΍͹Νೖຌ‫ޢ‬Ͷ‫͚ͱ͓׷͏ݶ‬ΗΉͪ͢ɽ͕͖͝Ͳෑ͗Δͥɼֺ͚͢ೖຌ‫ޢ‬Νָ΁͞ͳ͗Ͳ͘ɼ
͞͹ΏΕ๏Ͳ໪ඬͳ͢ͱ͏ͪ̏ೖ  ୱ‫ޢ‬Νְ͓Ζ͞ͳ͗Ͳ͘Ήͪ͢ɽHow long did you receive one-on-one
lessons from the principal?

The lessons only lasted for three months, but this was avery rewarding experience for me. At that time, mymother and I were so poor that we could hardly eat, soɻɻɻɻɻߏௗ઎ਫ਼͹ϜϱōςʖōϜϱद‫ۂ‬ͺʹ͹lunchtime was a precious time for me at school as it͚Δ͏͹‫ؔغ‬ण͜ͱ͏ͪ͹Ͳ͢Β͖͑ʃ

provided a source of food. Also, I suffered abuse at thehands of my mother's husband. In modern society, Ȋ͖݆ؔͫ͜Ͳͪ͗͢ɼඉ৙Ͷೳ޲͵࣎ؔͲ͢

think there are many children just like me who seeͪɽ౲࣎ࢴͪͬ฾ࢢͺͳͱ΍ස͚͢ɼΘ͚Ͷৱschool as a refuge for various reasons.

ࣆ΍ͳΗ͵͖ͮͪ͹ͲɼࢴͶͳͮͱָߏ‫ڇ‬ৱͺ

In particular, children with foreign roots often become͟൩͗ৱ΄ΔΗΖ‫ͪ͢Ͳؔ࣎͵॑ي‬ɽΉͪɼࢴ

a n outlet for pa re nt al st ress. T hei r pa re nt s a reͺ฾͹݃࠙૮घ͖ΔٰଶΝणͪ͜‫͍͗ݩܨ‬Ζ͹

exhausted from working nonstop from morning toͲͤ͗ɼࢴ͹Γ͑Ͷ༹ʓ͵ࣆ৚͖Δָߏ͗ಂ͝
৖Ͷ͵ͮͱ͏Ζࢢͺ‫ݳ‬େऀճͶͺୖࢃ͏Ζͳࢧ͏ΉͤɽಝͶ֐ࠅͶϩʖς͍͗Ζࢢʹ΍ͺɼ਎͹ηφϪη͹ͺ͜޳Ͷ͠Ηͱ͢Ή͑͞ͳ͍͗ΕΉͤɽ൶night. To make matters worse, many of them still can't
speak Japanese even though they have lived in Japanfor decades. Under these circumstances, they become
increasingly isolated and redirect their stress toward
their children. However, these children cannot tellothers that they are being abused by their parentsΔ͹਎ͺ௉͖Δ൫ΉͲಉ͘٩ΌͲൾΗ઀ͮͱ͏

because the target zone of the abuse is usually hiddenΉͤɽ͖͢΍Ձॉ೧΍ೖຌͲ฽Δ͢ͱ͏ͱ΍ɼ

beneath their clothes. Therefore, I believe schools
should pay attention to a child's behavior at all times
and keep an eye out for subtle changes rather than justhelping them with their studies.
I also want schools to come together in thinking ofways for these children to live out their lives. I wantschools to offer a helping hand because, regardless ofany differences there may be between adults andchildren or Japanese people and foreigners, teachersand students are both human beings.
Eve n i f t hey are bullied, c hildren
typically have a strong desire to study at school,
don't they?

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Ms. Sahel Rosa
How the education of foreign children should beೖຌ‫͗ޢ‬࿫ͦ͵͏ͳ͏͑๏͗ଡ͚͏ΉͤɽͨΞ͵য়‫ڱ‬ԾͲ‫ཱིݿ‬Ν਄Όɼͨ͹ηφϪηΝࢢʹ΍΃޴͜ͱ͢Ή͑͹Ͳͤɽ͜Ηʹٰଶͺෲ͹৏͖Δ‫͞ͳ͏͵͓ݡ‬ΘͶ͠ΗΖͪΌɼࢢʹ΍ͺٰଶ͠Ηͱ͏Ζ͞ͳΝ‫͏ݶ‬ड़ͦΉͦΞɽͲ͖ͤΔɼָߏͺห‫ک‬Ν‫͓گ‬Ζͫ͜Ͳͺ͵͚ɼ৙Ͷࢢʹ΍͹༹ࢢͶ஭қΝ෹͏ɼͬΒͮͳͪ͢ҡรͶ‫͗ـ‬ͯ͏ͱΆ͢͏Ͳͤɽ

ࢢʹ΍͹ͬΒͮͳͪ͢ҡรͶ‫ͱ͏Ͱـ‬Ά͢͏
I believe schools should pay more attention
to each child's behavior changes.

ͨ͢ͱͨ͹ࢢ͹ਫ਼͘ΖͪΌ͹ಕ‫۔‬Ν‫ڠ‬Ͷߡ͓ͱΆ͢͏Ͳͤɽ୉ਕͳࢢʹ΍ɼೖຌ͹๏ͳ֐ࠅ͹๏ͳ͏ͮͪҩ͏Ͷ‫͚͵ܐؖ‬ɼ઎ਫ਼΍ਫ਼ై΍ಋͣ
ਕؔͲ͍Ζͳ͏͑ࢻ఼ͲघΝࠫ͢৵΄ͱΆ͢͏ͲͤɽYes, that's true. I actually changed elementary schools
five times, and I always found it hard to make newfriends. I was also confused by the fact that foreigners
seemed to be treated differently depending on theregion. Such as many people in Sait ama City andɻɻɻɻɻͪͳ͓͏ͣΌΔΗΖ͞ͳ͍͗ͮͱ΍ɼ

Takaido (Suginami Ward, Tokyo) seemed to take anՁ͖ͨ͹ָߏͲಚΔΗΖ΍͹͍͗Ηͻͳ‫͚ک‬๮΋

interest in foreigners in a good way, but I thought thereͲ͢Β͑͸ɽ

were many obstacles to foreigners in some regions.

ͺ͏ɽຌ౲Ͷͨ͹௪Εͫͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽࢴͺঘָߏͫ͜Ͳ̓յ఺ߏͪ͢͹Ͳͤ͗ɼͨ͹ౕͶ৿͢͏༓ୣΝࡠΔ͵͜Ηͻ͵Δ͵͖ͮͪ͹Ͳ୉รͲͪ͢ɽஏҮͶΓͮͱ֐ࠅ͹๏ͶଲͤΖં͢๏ͶԻౕ͍ࠫ͗ͮͪ͞ͳͶ΍‫ރ‬࿯͏Ήͪ͢͸ɽ࡝‫ۆ‬ࢤʤ‫ͪ͏͠ݳ‬ΉࢤʥΏ߶Ҭ‫ރ‬ʤ౨‫ੁ౐ښ‬ดۢʥͲͺɼ֐ࠅ͹๏Ͷଲ͢ͱ͏͏қັͲ͕͖ͦͮ͏Νর͏You have said that providing "specialized
Japanese language classes" and "a curriculum thatcan generally be completed at school" is importantfor foreign children, bec ause it is not always
possible for them to complete their studies at homeor in their neighborhood after returning home. Do
you mean that schools should provide additional
support for after-school studies?

ͱ͚ͫ͠Ζ๏͗ୖࢃ͏ͪ͹Ͳͤ͗ɼ৖ॶͶΓͮI think schools should prepare a curriculum that wouldͱͺ֐ࠅ͹๏΃͹ป͗߶͏͵ͮͱࢧ͏Ήͪ͢ɽ

allow children with foreign roots to receive specialized
lessons on Japanese as a foreign language that run inɻɻɻɻɻγϖϩ͠Ξͺɼ֐ࠅਕ͹ࢢʹ΍޴͜Ͷ

parallel with regular school classes. I was finally able toʰೖຌ‫ࢨޢ‬಍ͶಝԿͪ͢द‫ۂ‬ʱͳʰՆ೵͵͖͙Εָunderstand the Japanese spoken in class when I reachedߏͲ‫ͤ݃׮‬ΖΩϨΫϣϧϞʱ͗॑གྷͫͳ‫͏ͱͮھ‬the fourth grade of elementary school, but I could notΖɽͨ͹ഐ‫ܢ‬Ͷͺɼ‫ޛ୒ؾ‬͹ՊΏबҕͶ͕੊࿫͢keep up with the fourth grade classes because I had notͱ͚ΗΖਕ͗͏Ζͳͺ‫ݸ‬Δ͵͏͖Δͫͳɽָߏଈ

been able to understand the content of lessons in the͗‫࢔ڋ‬Ε౵͹௧Յద͵ࢨ಍Νͤ΄ͫ͘ͳ͏͑͞ͳ

second and third grade. I felt as if I had been forced toͲ͖ͤʃskip grades without understanding the content of theclasses.

ࢴͺ֐ࠅͶϩʖς͹͍Ζࢢʹ΍ͪͬ͹ͪΌͶɼ௪৙͹ָߏ͹द‫ͳۂ‬ดߨͤΖ‫Ͳܙ‬ೖຌ‫ࢨޢ‬಍ͶಝԿͪ͢ΩϨΫϣϧϞΝָߏଈ͗༽қͤΖ΄͘

Therefore, I want schools to allow children with foreign
root s t o at t e nd cla s ses t h at do not requi r e a ny
understanding of Japanese, such as arts and crafts andphysical education, for about the first six months so that

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they can learn together with Japanese children, while also
providing an intensive Japanese learning curriculum.
There are no stupid children by nature. I hope that oursociety will build a solid foundation for children andgive them opportunities to accomplish their goals, suchas getting into university. This may add to the burdenϦϩξϱʀδΠνϨೋ຿ΫϡϱϕͶͱAt Zaatari refugee camp in Jordanͫͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽࢴࣙਐͺद‫಼ۂ‬༲͗ซ͘खΗΖΓ

on schools, but children who are properly educated willgrow up to become human resources who will surely
make a positive contribution to Japanese society.

͑Ͷ͵ͮͪ͹ͺঘָߏ̒೧ਫ਼͹ࠔͲͤ͗ɼ̐೧ਫ਼

for such children be reviewed, but this will take̒೧ਫ਼͹द‫ۂ‬͹಼༲͗ཀྵմͲ͘ΉͦΞͲͪ͢ɽΉ

some time. Our Foundation is currently investigatingΖͲɼद‫ۂ‬Ͷ௧͏ͯ͏ͱ͏͵͏͹Ͷඊ;‫څ‬Νͦ͠
ΔΗͪΓ͑͵‫ـ‬෾Ͷ͵ΕΉͪ͢͸ɽͲͤ͹Ͳɼָߏଈͺ֐ࠅͶϩʖς͹͍Ζࢢʹ΍ͪ

the possibility of creating our own places where wecan provide curriculum combined with learning ofJapanese.

ͬ͗ΏͮͱཔͪΔɼൔ೧ؔ͛Δ͏ͺਦ޽ʀඔढ़ΏI thin k that would be wonderf ul. I also did someରүͳ͏ͮͪೖຌ‫ޢ‬͹ཀྵմྙ͗‫ٽ‬ΌΔΗ͵͏द‫ۂ‬

research and found some NPOs and NGOs whereΝଠ͹ࢢʹ΍ͪͬͳҲॻͶणͦͯͯ͜͠ɼดߨ͢

Japanese women teach Japanese to foreigners asͱॄ஦దͶೖຌ‫ޢ‬Νָ΄ΖΩϨΫϣϧϞΝ༽қͤ

volunteers. There must be other people across Japan΄͘Ͳͤɽຌཔɼࢢʹ΍Ͷʰഇࣝ͵ࢢʱ͵ʹ͏ΉͦΞɽ୉ਕΏऀճ͖͗ͮ͢Εͳͪ͢ஏ൭ࡠΕΝ͢ͱɼ൶Δ͗
୉ָ਒ָ౵͹໪ඬΝ‫͓א‬ΖοϡϱηΝ༫͓ͱ͍͝
ͱΆ͢͏ͲͤɽָߏଈͶͺෝ୴͹͖͖ΖΏΕ๏ͫͳࢧ͏Ήͤ͗ɼͬ͘Ξͳͪ͢‫گ‬үΝणͦ͜͠ͱ͍
͝Ηͻɼ୉ਕͶ͵ͮͪ࣎ɼ൶Δͺͮ͘ͳೖຌऀճ
Ͷ߫‫ͤݛ‬ΖਕࡒͶ͵ΗΖͺͥͲͤɽɻɻɻɻɻ͖֮Ͷͨ͹Γ͑͵ࢢʹ΍ͪͬ΃͹ΩϨΫϣϧϞ͹‫ݡ‬௜͢ͺචਤͲͤ͸ɽ͖͢͢ɼ࣎ؔ΍ֽ
͖Ζɽͨ͞Ͳࢴͪͬͺࡔ஄ಢࣙ͹ΩϨΫϣϧϞΝ఑

who wish to do something for foreigners. I believe
FWEAP can establish a structure and platform forthose who wish to do something to support people fromforeign countries.
ɻɻɻɻɻWe would like to provide support fromthe more basic stages of education, but we also
face budgetary issues. We will start by developing
our own support measures, such as supplementary
classes. After that, we will develop an enhanced
curriculum plan based on an evaluation of thesemeasures and then propose it to the government.
We would also like to proactively listen to theopinions of NPOs and NGOs that already have‫ͤڛ‬Ζ৖Ν‫ݗࡑݳ‬౾͢ͱ͏Ήͤɽ

experience in this area.

ͨΗͺોత͵͞ͳͫͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽࢴࣙਐ΍௒΄ͱΊI really hope that you will proceed with this plan. Iͪͳ͞Θɼೖຌ͹ঃ੓͹๏͗֐ࠅ͹๏ΝଲেͶϚϧϱτΡΠͲೖຌ‫ࢥگޢ‬Ν͢ͱ͏Ζ 132ʀ1*2 ஄ରΝ‫ͯ͜ݡ͖ͯش‬Ζ͞ͳ͗Ͳ͘Ήͪ͢ɽ֐ࠅ͹๏͹ͪΌͶՁ͖͢ͱ͍ͪ͝͏ͳࢧͮͱ͏Ζ๏ͺೖຌ஦Ͷ͏ΖͺͥͲͤɽͨ͑͏ͮͪՁ͖͢ͱ͍ͪ͝͏ͳࢧͮ

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It is clearly essential that the curriculumʛ̑೧ਫ਼࣎͹द‫ۂ‬ͺซ͘खΗͱ͏͵͖ͮͪͪΌɼ

receive requests for advice from foreign parents fromtime to time. In addition to facing financial difficulties,
their children cannot keep up with classes due to thelanguage barrier, which makes them quit school andstart working. Children who have the potential todevelop into promising adults as long as they are given

在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方 サヘル・ローズ さん
Ms. Sahel Rosa
How the education of foreign children should beͱ͏Ζ๏ʓ͹ͪΌͶɼࡔ஄͗ण͜ࡾͳϕϧρφthe opportunity to receive a proper education areϓΧʖϞΝࡠΖ͞ͳͺͲ͘Ζͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽ

becoming increasingly isolated with their parents.
Par ticularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, theɻɻɻɻɻըʓ΍ɼΓΕ‫گેخ‬ү͹ஊ֌͖Δࢩԋͪ͢͏ͳࢧ͑͹Ͳͤ͗༩ࢋ͹໲ୌ΍͍ΕΉͤɽΉͥͺʮึस‫࣪گ‬ʯ͵ʹಢࣙ͹ࢩԋࡨΝఴ֋͢ɼͨ
͹඲ՃΝ΍ͮͱ֨ैͪ͢ΩϨΫϣϧϞ͹‫ܯ‬ժΝ੕ැͶ఑Ҍ͢ͱ͏͚ͯ΍ΕͲͤɽ‫ع‬Ͷࣰ੹͹͍Ζ 132 Ώ 1*2 ౵͹қ‫ݡ‬΍੷‫ۅ‬దͶซ͏ͱ͏ͪ͘͏ͳࢧͮͱ͏ΉͤɽͨΗͺͧͽ਒Όͱ͏ͪͫͪ͘͏‫ܯ‬ժͲͤ͸ɽࢴ͹ͳ͞ΘͶ΍࣎઄֐ࠅ͹๏͹਎͖Δ૮஌͗‫ͦر‬ΔΗ
Ζ͞ͳ͍͗ΕΉͤɽ‫ࡃܨ‬దͶ‫ͳ͞͏͢ۦ‬ͶՅ͓ɼ

situation seems to be getting worse.

ห‫ک‬ΝγϛʖφͤΖ৖ָ͗ߏҐ֐Ͷ΍Ͳ͘Ηͻ
ો੘Δ͢͏͞ͳͲͤ

It would be great if there were places
other than schools that provided support
for children with foreign rootsָߏͲͺ‫ݶ‬ཁ͹ป͍͗Εห‫ک‬Ͷ෉͏ͱ͏͜͵͏ͪΌɼ൶Δ͹ࢢʹ΍ͺָߏΝΏΌͱಉͪ͘͏ͳࢧ͑

We would like to expand the scope ofΓ͑Ͷ͵ͮͱ͢Ή͑͹Ͳͤɽͬ͘Ξͳͪ͢‫گ‬үΝ

support that we provide so that it includes not onlyण͜Ζ‫ؽ‬ճ͍͗Ηͻɼ઴౏༙๮͵ऑंͶ͵ΖՆ೵੓͹͍Ζࢢͪͬ͵͹Ͷʞɽ਎ͳҲॻͶʹΞʹΞ‫ݿ‬ཱིΝ਄Όͱ͏͘ΉͤɽಝͶ‫ࡑݳ‬͹͞͹αϫψՔ͹஦Ͳͺয়‫ڱ‬ͺ͠ΔͶѳԿ͢ͱ͏Ήͤ͸ɽ

J a p a n e s e l a n g u a g e e d u cat i o n , b u t a l s o t h e
subjects required for high school exams, such as
math and English.

I think it is very important that you proceed with thisplan. I did not have enough opportunities to learnɻɻɻɻɻೖຌ‫ࢨޢ‬಍͹ଠͶ΍߶ߏण‫ݩ‬Ͷචགྷ͵

Japanese in a friendly environment, and my studiesՌ໪ʤ਼ָɼӵ‫ޢ‬౵ʥͶ΍߁͝ͱ͏ͪ͘͏ͳߡ͓

were delayed due to my repeatedly changing schools soͱ͏ΉͤɽI gradually got left behind. This gave me a rise to allsorts of negative thoughts, such as the possibility that Iͨ͑͏ͮͪ‫ܯ‬ժΝ਒ΌΖ͞ͳͺຌ౲Ͷ୉઀͵͞ͳ

may have to give up on my goal of going to high schoolͫͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽࢴͺ਎ਐͶೖຌ‫ޢ‬Ν‫ͱ͓گ‬΍Δ͑

and college. My mother considered sending me to a‫ؽ‬ճ͹͵͏ΉΉɼ‫܃‬Εศ͢఺ߏΝ͢ͱ͏Ζ͑ͬͶห‫ک‬ͶஙΗ͗ਫ਼ͣɼ࣏୊ͶखΕ࢔͠Ηͱ͏͘Ήͪ͢ɽ߶ߏΏ୉ָ΃਒ָͤΖͳ͏͑໪ඬΝచΌ͵͜Ηͻ͵Δ͵͏͹͖ɼͳ‫ޛ‬Θ޴͘͵ߡ͓ͻ͖Ε͗ූ͖;Ήͪ͢͸ɽ฾ͺࢴΝग़Ͷ௪ΚͦΖ͞ͳΝ‫ݗ‬౾͢ͱ͚Ηͪ͹Ͳͤ͗ɼ͕ۜ͗͵͏͹ͲͨΗ΍Ͳ͘ΉͦΞͲͪ͢ɽ
ͨ΍ͨ΍ೖຌ͹Ҳൢద͵ग़ͺೖຌ͹๏͗௪͑͞ͳΝ઴఑Ͷ͢ͱӣӨ͠Ηͱ͏ΖͪΌɼ‫ݶ‬ཁ͹ป͹͍Ζ֐ࠅ͹๏Ͷͺߨ͚ͪ͘ͱ΍ߨ͜͵͏৖ॶͲͤɽ͖ͫΔ
΍͢ɼ֐ࠅͶϩʖς͹͍Ζࢢʹ΍ͪͬ͗΍ͮͳห‫ک‬ͪ͢͏ͳࢧͮͪ࣎ɼͨΗΝγϛʖφͤΖ৖ָ͗ߏҐcram school, but she could not afford it.
Basically, standard Japanese cram schools operate on
the basis that all of their students are Japanese, so
foreign students facing a language barrier cannot
attend them even if they want to. Given this, I think it
would be great if there were places other than schoolsthat provided support for children with foreign roots
who wish to learn more.
Fa c i n g a n a g i n g p o p u l a t i o n a n d adeclining bir thrate, Japan needs more foreign
workers. I think that an educational curriculum
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INTERVIEW֐ͶͲ͘Ηͻો੘Δ͢͏͞ͳͫͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽdiscover their future potential in Japan.

ɻɻɻɻɻೖຌͺ߶ྺԿΏঙࢢԿ͗਒Ίɼ͠Δ͵At the same time, I would also like you to considerΖ֐ࠅਕ͹ਕࡒ͗චགྷͳ͵ͮͱ͏Ήͤɽͨ͹๏ͪ

creating places of education not just for foreig nͬ͹ೖຌͲ͹҈ఈΏগཔ੓Ν‫ݡ‬ड़ͤͪΌͶ΍ɼ֐

children but also for foreign adults, because the parentsࠅͶϩʖς͹͍Ζࢢ‫΃ͬͪڛ‬͹‫گ‬үΩϨΫϣϧϞ

tend to be left behind. Children can quickly becomeͺචགྷͳߡ͓ͱ͏Ήͤɽaccustomed to different cultures, but those who cometo Japa n as adults have to lea r n Japa nese whileͨΗͳಋ࣎Ͷࢢʹ΍ͪͬͫ͜Ͳ͵͚ɼ୉ਕͪͬ
Ν‫گ‬үͤΖ৖΍ࡠΖ͞ͳΝ‫ݗ‬౾͢ͱΆ͢͏ͳࢧͮͱ͏ΉͤɽखΕ࢔͠ΗΖ͹ͺ͏ͯ΍਎Ͳͤɽࢢʹ΍͹ࠔͺͤ͛ͶҡชԿ΃೅ઝ΋͞ͳ͗Ͳ͘

working, and this is not easy for them. As a result, theytend to only go to places where they do not have to
speak Japanese and eventually become unable to work.
In Japan, there are only a limited number of places
where people who do not speak Japanese or English canΉͤ͗ɼ୉ਕͶ͵ͮͱ͖Δೖຌ΃ΏͮͱཔΖͳ

work , so people who e ngaged i n i nt el le ct u al lyಉ͘͵͗Δೖຌ‫ޢ‬Νָͻ͵͚ͱͺ͵ΕΉͦΞɽstimulating work in their home countries often end up͜ΗʹͨΞ͵༪༡ͺ͵͏ͪΌɼ݃ՎదͶೖຌ‫ޢ‬

doing jobs like cleaning. This means that foreignΝ࿫͠͵͚ͱ΍͏͏৖ॶͫ͜Ͷߨ͚Γ͑Ͷ͵ͮ

workers who could contribute more to Japan have notͪΕɼಉ͚͞ͳ͗Ͳ͘͵͚͵ͮͪΕͤΖ͹Ͳͤɽ

been fully utilized.

͞͹ࠅͲೖຌ‫ޢ‬Ώӵ‫͗ޢ‬࿫ͦ͵͏๏ͪͬ͗ಉ͜

I think this phenomenon is caused by a lack of places ofΖ৖ॶͺ‫ݸ‬ΔΗͱ͏ΉͤɽͲͤ͹Ͳɼพ͹ࠅͲ

learning for foreign adults. For example, temporaryͺಆΝ࢘͑࢕ࣆΝ͢ͱ͏ͪ๏͗ɼૡঈ͹࢕ࣆΝ
͢ͱ͏Ζ͞ͳ΍͍ΕΉͤɽຌཔ͵Δ΍ͮͳೖຌ͹ͪΌͶಉ͜ΖਕࡒΝ৏घ͚‫͏͵͏ͱ͘Ͳ༽׈‬ɼͳ͏͑༃Ͳͤɽ

residence permits are issued to applicants with refugee
status, but these people are forced to live stressful lives
because their activities, such as working and going out,
continue to be restricted even after the permits have been
issued. It is unfortunate that people who come to Japanfull of hope face prejudice due to a bias against "refugees".

ࢢʹ΍ͺ‫ݶ‬ཁ΍ชԿ΍ͤ͛Ͷ೅ઝΌΖ͗୉ਕୣͶͺ΋͖ͥ͢͏Children can quickly adapt to language
and culture, but adults find it more difficult.

The media often use the word "refugee" in the context
of "working refugees" or "disguised refugees," but I
don't thin k that is appropriate because it gives anegative impression of refugees. People referred to as"refugees" have wildly different backgrounds andcircumstances, and applying for refugee status is likely
to be their last ray of hope or a lifeline for them.
Despite this, the number of people recognized as
ref ugees i n Japa n is too small. Even if they a rerecognized, Japan is not a comfortable place for themto live. A friend of mine, a Syrian chef, cannot open aͨ͑͏͑‫ݳ‬েً͗͘ͱ͢Ήͮͱ͏Ζ‫ݬ‬ҾͺɼΏͺΕ֐ࠅ͹୉ਕͪͬΝ‫گ‬үͤΖ৖͗͵͏͞ͳͫͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽྭ͓ͻɼೋ຿೟ఈਅ੧஦͹ंͶͺՀ଼ࡑ‫ڒ‬Նৄ͗ड़Ήͤ͗ɼ͞͹‫ڒ‬Նৄ͗ड़ͪ‫ޛ‬

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restaurant because he does not understand Japanesea nd ca n not get a c o ok i ng l ic e n s e. Un le s s t hey
understand Japanese, refugees cannot get a license orcertificate. As a result, some foreigners end up feelingisolated with nowhere to go, so they take the wrong

在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方 サヘル・ローズ さん
Ms. Sahel Rosa
How the education of foreign children should be΍म࿓Ώ֐ड़Ͷ੏‫͖͗͜ݸ‬ΔΗɼηφϪη͗ཹ

path in life. To prevent this, I would like you to createΖೖ৙Ν‫͏ک‬ΔΗΉͤɽ͖͚ͦͮ‫س‬๮Ν์͏ͱplaces of education for foreign adults.

ೖຌͶΏͮͱཔͪ͹Ͷɼʰೋ຿ͫʱͳย‫ݡ‬Ν࣍ͪΗͱ͢Ή͑ɽๅಕ‫ؖؽ‬ͺʰड़Ֆ͙ೋ຿ʱ
ʰْૹೋ຿ʱ
ͳ͏ͮͪ۫߻ͶɼՁ͖ͳʰೋ຿ʱͳ͏͑‫ݶ‬ཁΝ࢘͏Ήͤ͗ɼ͞ΗͶΓͮͱೋ຿Ͷଲ͢ͱϋΪτΡϔ͵΢ϟʖζΝ৪͓ͯ͜ͱ͢Ή͏ɼྒྷ͚͵͏ͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽͽͳ޳Ͷೋ຿ͳ͏ͮͱ΍์͓ͱ͏Ζࣆ৚ͺຌ౲Ͷ༹ʓͲͤɽೋ຿೟ఈ΃͹ਅ੧ͺͨ͑͏༹ͮͪʓ͵ࣆ৚Ν์͓ͪ๏ͪͬ͗࠹‫ޛ‬͹‫س‬๮ͳ͢ͱͤ͗Ζໍߟ͹ͺͥͲͤɽͶ΍߈Δͥɼೋ຿͹೟ఈ਼ͺ͍ΉΕͶ΍ঙ͵͏ɽ

We understand that adult refugees are busy
with work and it is difficult for them to go to school,
so we think it is necessary for Japanese people toestablish a system for providing them with advice.

Yes, that's exactly right. Most foreigners don't know
where to go for advice. Volunteer interpreters who can
suppor t t he m i n t i me s of ne e d a r e avai lable atconsultation counters, but foreigners don't know where
they can access such services. In Japan, there are anumber of charities—such as orphanages and Kids೟ఈ͠Ηͪͳ͢ͱ΍ɼೖຌͺ൶ΔͶͳͮͱਫ਼͘

Café—that are ready to accept people in need and thereΏͤ͏৖ॶͲͺ͍ΕΉͦΞɽࢴ͹༓ਕͲྋཀྵਕ

are people in need asking for help, but there are not͹εϨΠ͹๏ͺɼೖຌ‫͗ޢ‬ཀྵմͲ͘͵͏ͻ͖Ε

enough places that can connect them. Addressing thisͶ௒ཀྵࢥ໖‫͗ڒ‬खΗͥɼ֋‫͏ͱ͘Ͳۂ‬ΉͦΞɽwill be a big challenge, I think.

͞͹ࠅͲͺೖຌ‫͗ޢ‬ཀྵմͲ͘͵͜Ηͻ೟ఈॽΏৄ໎ॽ͗खಚͲ͘͵͏ͪΌɼߨ͘৖Ν͵͚͢ͱؔҩͮͪ๏޴Ͷߨͮͱ͢Ή͑֐ࠅ͹๏΍͏Ήͤɽͨ͑ͦ͠͵͏ͪΌͶɼ֐ࠅ͹୉ਕͪͬΝ‫گ‬үͤΖ৖Νࡠͮͱ͍͝ͱΆ͢͏ͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽɻɻɻɻɻ୉ਕͺ࢕ࣆͶ௧ΚΗͱ͏ͱָߏ΃௪͑͞ͳͺೋ͢͏͹Ͳɼըʓೖຌਕ͗ͨ͹૮஌Νण͜ΖεητϞΝઅ͜Ζචགྷ͍͗Ζ͖ͳࢧ͏ΉͤɽIn the "White Paper on Foreign Children(Akashi Shoten, 2017)," Professor Koukichi Shimizu(G raduate School of Human Science, Osaka
University) wrote, " … So far efforts have been
focused on 'how to help foreign children adapt to
the Japanese school environment,' but we need tochange our mindset toward 'how Japanese schools
can adapt to foreign children.'" What do you think
about this idea, Ms. Rosa?

I totally agree with this idea. In fact, some schools have͕ͮ͢ΎΖ௪ΕͲͤɽ૮஌Ͳ͘Ζ૯޳͗ʹ͞Ͷ

gradually become more aware of this issue recently. If͍Ζ͹͖ɼΆͳΞʹ֐ࠅ͹๏ͺஎΕΉͦΞɽͨ

schools want to try and get closer to foreign children, I͑͏ͮͪ૯޳ͶͺՁ͖͍ͮͪ࣎ͶҲॻͶଲԢ͢ͱ͚ΗΖϚϧϱτΡΠ͹௪༃΍͏Ήͤ͗ɼʹ͞Ͷߨ͜ͻͨ͹Ժ‫ܛ‬Νण͜ΔΗΖ͹͖͗बஎ͠Ηͱ͏ΉͦΞɽೖຌͶͺࣉಒ཈‫ࢬޤ‬અΏࢢʹ΍ৱಌ͹Γ͑͵࣌વ஄ର͗͏͚ͯ΍͍Εɼࠖͮͱ͏
ΖਕΝण͜೘ΗΖ६ඍͺͲ͘ͱ͏Ζ͢ɼࠖͮͱ
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think the easiest starting point is "food." For example,‫ڂ‬Ռʥ͗ɼʰʞ͞ΗΉͲʲ֐ࠅਕ͹ࢢʹ΍ͪͬ͹ೖ

at a school attended by children from South Sudan,ຌ͹ָߏ΃͹నԢʳΝ໲ୌͶ͢ͱͪ͗͘ɼࠕ‫ٽ‬Όhalal meals are served for school lunch once a week.

ΔΗͱ͏Ζ͹ͺɼʲ֐ࠅਕ͹ࢢʹ΍ͪͬͶଲ͢ͱೖ

These students would feel sad if they were alwaysຌ͹ָߏ͗ʹ͑నԢͲ͘Ζ͖ʳͳ͏͑൅૟͹఺‫׷‬required to bring a packed lunch from home, andͲ͍Ζʞʱͳफ़΄ͱ͏Ήͤɽγϖϩ͠Ξͺɼ͞͹packed lunches are generally not as nutritious as schoolߡ͓๏ͺʹ͑ࢧΚΗΉ͖ͤʃlunches anyway. Also, children with foreign roots will
be really pleased if meals cooked especially for themͺ͏ɼͳͱ΍୉࢏੔Ͳͤɽࣰࡏɼ࠹ۛͲͺঅʓͶқࣟΝร͓Ζָߏ΍‫ݳ‬Ηͱ͏ΉͤΓɽָߏଈ͖ΔิΊ‫ر‬Θ͑ͳͤΖ࣎ɼҲ൬खΕ͖͖ΕΏͤ͏͹ͺ

are served at school, even if it is only once a week.
Rather than just unilaterally imposing the idea of"when in Rome, do as the Romans do" on foreign
students, schools should provide opportunities forʰৱʱͲͺ͵͏Ͳ͢Β͖͑ʃɻྭ͓ͻɼೈηʖξ

children with foreign roots to learn about their homeϱ͹ࢢʹ΍͗௪ͮͱ͏Ζ͍ΖָߏͲͺɼ̏ुؔͶcountries in homeroom or other activities as this will̏յɼ‫ڇ‬ৱͲύϧʖϩ͹ৱࣆΝड़͢ͱ͏Ζͨ͑Ͳ

promote mutual understanding. Such opportunitiesͤɽࣙ෾͕ͫ͜อ౲Ν࣍ͮͱ͘ͱ΍Δ͑ͳ͏͑Ώ

may encourage some Japanese children to take anΕ๏Ͳͺࢢʹ΍͗൷͢΋Ͳ͢Β͑͢ɼ͕อ౲Ͳͺinterest in foreign students and start talking to them.

‫ڇ‬ৱΝৱ΄ΖΆʹॉ෾͵ӭ཈͗ઃΗΉͦΞɽͨΗ

As a result, foreign students will start to feel like theirͶुͶ̏յͫ͜Ͳ΍ָߏଈ͗ࣙ෾͹ͪΌͶ͟൩Ν

school is a place where they belong. Schools shouldࡠͮͱ͚ΗΖͳ͏͑͹ͺɼ֐ࠅͶϩʖς͍͗Ζࢢ

regard accepting children with foreign roots as a goodʹ΍Ͷͳͮͱ΍͚ͤ͟‫ͤͲͳ͞͏͢ذ‬ɽΉͪɼҡࠅ͖ΔཔͪࢢͪͬͶଲ͢ͱʰ‫ڹ‬Ͷॊ͓ʱͳ‫Ͳͫ͑͜ݶ‬ͺ͵͚ɼϙʖϞϩʖϞ౵Ͳͨ͹ࢢͪͬ͹ࠅ͹͞ͳͶͯ͏ͱห‫ͤک‬Ζ‫ؽ‬ճΝઅ͜Ηͻɼ

opportunity for Japanese children.
I feel the same way. Finally, do you haveany par ticular message that you would like toconvey through our public relations magazine?

૮‫ޕ‬ཀྵմ͗਄ΉΖ͹Ͳͺ͵͏Ͳ͢Β͖͑ɽͨ͑
͏ͮͪ‫ؽ‬ճ͍͗Ηͻɼ൶ΔͶ‫ັڷ‬Ν࣍ͬ࿫͖͢͜

Many Japanese people have lost their jobs due to theͱ͚ΗΖೖຌ͹๏͹͕ࢢ͠Ξ΍͏Ζͳࢧ͑͹Ͳɼ

COV I D -19 p a nd e m ic. At t he s a me t i me, m a ny൶Δ΍‫ڋ‬৖ॶ͗Ͳ͘Ζͳࢧ͏Ήͤɽָߏͺ΍ͮͳforeigners have lost their jobs too. Please do not֐ࠅͶϩʖς͍͗Ζࢢʹ΍ͪͬΝण͜೘ΗΖ͞ͳ

overlook these people in your communities. In today'sΝೖຌ͹ࢢͶͳͮͱྒྷ͏‫ؽ‬ճͲ͍Ζͳଌ͓Ηͻ͏

society, we are required to maintain a physical distance͏ΞͲͤΓɽ

between us to adhere to social distancing, but if wegive up on those in need, there is a risk that they mayɻɻɻɻɻಋ‫ͤͲ״‬ɽ࠹‫ޛ‬Ͷɼ͞͹߁ๅࢿΝ௪ͣͱಣंͶఽ͓ͪ͏͞ͳΝ‫͏͚ͫ͠ͱ͓گ‬ɽthat you will be considerate of the people around you.

αϫψՔ͹‫ࡑݳ‬͹ೖຌͲͺɼୖࢃ͹ೖຌ͹๏͗

some other countries, but foreign residents in Japan৮Νࣨͮͱ͏Ήͤɽಋ࣎Ͷୖࢃ͹֐ࠅ͹๏΍ࣨ‫͏ͱ͢ۂ‬Ήͤɽ൶ΔΝ‫͏͵͠๎ݡ‬Γ͑ͶͤΖͪ
ΌͶɼࣙ෾͹ஏҮ͹๏ͪͬͶ໪Ν޴͜ͱ͚ͫ͠͏ɽࠕͺλʖεϡϩυΡηνϱηΝฯͯͪΌͶ

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take their own lives. To avoid such tragedies, I hope
I don't think the situation in Japan is as bad as it is incannot return to their home countries even if they want
to. They are left feeling useless and impatient, as they
are unable to do anything for their friends and family
back home who may catch the virus and die in the
midst of this COVID-19 pandemic. Therefore, I want

在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方 サヘル・ローズ さん
Ms. Sahel Rosa
How the education of foreign children should beਕͳ‫཯ړ‬ΝखΖऀճͶ͵ͮͱ͏Ήͤ͗ɼਕ͗ਕ
Ν‫͢ͱ͢๎ݡ‬ΉͮͪΔໍΝઊͮͱ͢Ή͑‫͗ݧث‬͍ΕΉͤɽͨ͑ͦ͠͵͏ͪΌͶ΍ɼ૮घ΃͹ࢧ͏ΏΕΝ࣍ͮͱΆ͢͏ͲͤɽೖຌͺҲ෨͹ࠅͶർ΄Ήͫͨ͞ΉͲয়‫ڱ‬ͺͽʹ͚͵ͮͱ͏͵͏ͳࢧ͏Ήͤ͗ɼҡࠅ͖Δཔͪ๏ʓͺࣙ෾͹ࠅͶ‫ؾ‬Ε͚ͪͱ΍‫ؾ‬Ζ͞ͳ͗Ͳ͘ΉͦΞɽαϫψՔ͹஦Ͷ͏Ζ฾ࠅ͹ՊଔΏ༓ਕ͗αϫψͶጸΕ๤͚͵ͮͱ͢Ή͖͑΍͢Η͵͏͹Ͷɼࣙ෾ͺՁ΍Ͳͥ͘ࣅ͗Α͏‫ͬ࣍ـ‬Ͷ͵ͮͱ͏Ήͤɽ͖ͫΔͨ͹‫ͬ࣍ـ‬Ͷ‫ر‬Εశͮͱ͍͝ͱΆ͢
͏ͲͤɽJapanese people to get more in touch with how foreignͨ͢ͱαϫψͲਕΝࠫพ͢͵͏ͲΆ͢͏Ͳͤɽ

residents must feel.

͞Η͖Δָߏ͗࠸֋ͪ࣎͢ɼ֐ࠅͶϩʖς͹͍

Also, I don't want anyone to be discriminated againstΖࢢʹ΍ͪͬ͗ࠫพ͠Η͵͏͖ͳͱ΍ৼഓͲͤɽ

because of the coronavirus. I am very worried thatαϫψͶ‫ؖ‬࿊͢ͱ໌઴͗‫͗ڏ‬ΖҲ෨͹ࠅͶॶԓ

children with foreign roots may be discriminated against͹͍Ζࢢʹ΍ͪͬ͗ɼ͏ͣΌΔΗΖՆ೵੓΍͍when school resu mes. Child ren who come f romΕΉͤɽ΍͖ͪ͢͢Δ୉ਕͪͬ΍ͨ͹ଲেͶ͵countries mentioned in association with COVID-19 mayΖ͖΍͢ΗΉͦΞɽ͖ͫΔͨ͞ɼࢴͪͬ΍ಋͣ

be bullied. In fact, adults may end up the targets ofྨΝླྀͤਕؔͲ͍Ζ͞ͳΝ๪Η͵͏ͲΆ͢͏Ͳͤɽࠫพ͖ΔͺՁ΍ਫ਼ΉΗΉͦΞɽ͞͹Γ͑͵য়‫ڱ‬Ծ͖ͫΔͨ͞ɼ௒࿪ͳ‫ڠ‬ଚΝқࣟ͢ͱΆ͢͏Ͳͤɽbullying too, not just child ren. I want people toremember that we are all human beings and that we all
shed tears. Nothing positive is born from discrimination.
I want everyone to be aware of the importance ofharmony and coexistence, particularly given the current
situation.

ɻɻɻɻɻγϖϩ͠Ξɼຌೖͺ͕๫͢͏஦ɼࢴʹ΍͹ΠζΠෳࢳ‫گ‬үࡔ஄͹ͪΌͶ͕࣎ؔΝ͠͏ͱThank you very much for taking time out௘͘ɼΉͪɼ‫͟͵॑ي‬қ‫ݡ‬ΝͬΒ͑ͫ͏͢Ήͪ͢

of your busy schedule for the interview today, Ms.

͞ͳɼ‫״‬ःਅ͢৏͝ΉͤɽR o s a . We g r e at l y a p p r e c i a t e y o u r v a l u a b l eΠζΠෳࢳ‫گ‬үࡔ஄Ͳͺɼͽͯ͘Ͱ͘ΠζΠঀࠅͳ͹ෳࢳ‫ؖ‬࿊෾໼͵ʹͲ͹ިླྀΝକ͜ɼΉͪɼೖຌͶఈेͤΖೋ຿͵ʹͳ‫ͯͯ͢ྙڢ‬ɼ֐ࠅͶϩʖ
ς͹͍ΖਕʓΝೖຌऀճ͹஦Ͷण͜೘Ηͱɼ༹ʓ͵֐ࠅ༟པ͹ชԿΝ੷‫ۅ‬దͶͳΕ͏ΗΖʰଡชԿͳ‫ڠ‬Ͷਫ਼͘Ζऀճʱ͹ࣰ‫ݳ‬Ͷ޴͜ͱ౔ྙͪ͢͏ͳ
ߡ͓ͱ͏Ήͤɽ࠹‫ޛ‬Ͷɼγϖϩ͠Ξ͹Ҳ૜͹݊͟߃ͳ͟‫׈‬༄Ν͕‫ك‬Εਅ͢৏͝Ήͤɽ͍Ε͗ͳ͑͟͡͏Ήͪ͢ɽ

feedback to FWEAP.
Going forward, FWEAP will continue to interact with
Asian countries in relation to welfare and other suchf i elds, ac c ept people with foreign roots into
Japanese society while cooperating with refugees
who have already settled in Japan, and strive torealize a "society where people from multiple
c ul tures c an live to get her " and that act ively
incorporates a variety of foreign cultures. Onceagain, thank you very much. We hope that you willʤ͕ΚΕʥ

enjoy good health and success.
(END)

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対談を終えて「サヘル・ローズさんとの対談を企画して、財団の広報誌『愛』に掲載できないだろうか？」in the Mainichi Shimbun newspaper in August last

そう思ったのは、昨年（2020 年）の 8 月に毎日

year (2020), I thought to myself, "Can't we arrange

新聞に掲載された記事を読み終えたときであった。

an interview with Ms. Rosa and publish it in 'Ai,' our

その記事とは、7 月末から 8 月中旬まで計 6 回に亘り『外国人の子どもへの教育』について識者へのインタビューをシリーズで紹介したものであり、連載 2 回目に登場したのがサヘル・ローズさんであった。
祖国イランで４歳から孤児院で暮す中、養母となる女性と出会い、８歳になった年の夏に養母と二人で来日する。そして、養母と共に埼玉県下に落ち着いたサヘルさんは、公立小学校の 2 年生のクラスに編入となるが、日本語や日本文化が解らないために様々な苦労をする。また、学校では唯一の外国人生徒であったサヘルさんはイジメなどを体験する…。そうした自らの体験をインタビューで打ち明けたサヘルさんは、外国人の子どもへの日本語授業の必要性を訴えるという内容であった。
9 月になり、“ダメ元” を覚悟で彼女が所属する芸能事務所の担当マネーシャーである M 氏に対談希望を伝えたところ、「了解しました」との回答があった。

Foundation's public relations magazine?"
The Mainichi Shimbun published a series of six
interviews with experts on "education for children of
foreign nationalities in Japan" from the end of July tothe middle of August 2020, with Ms. Rosa featuringin the second interview.
In her home country of Iran, she lived in anorphanage from the age of four. It is there that
she would also meet her adoptive mother, andshe came to Japan at the age of eight. Ms. Rosathen settled down in Saitama Prefecture with her
adoptive mother and enrolled at a public elementary
school from the second grade, but she faced a lotof difficulties at first because she did not understandthe Japanese language and culture. She was alsobullied because she was the only foreign student
in the school. She talked about her experiences in
the interview, emphasizing the need for Japanese
language classes for foreign children.
In September, we requested an interview with
Ms. Rosa through Mr. M, her manager at the

10 月になり、当財団より所属会社に文書にて

entertainment agency. We thought it might be

対談依頼を伝えたところ、暫くして先方から連

difficult to get a positive response, but she actually絡があり、「サヘルとの対談は 11 月 13 日午後

agreed to the interview.

12:30 から、所要時間は最長 60 分間でお願いしIn October, we sent an interview request letter toます」との連絡があった。また、対談はリモート

the agency and received the following response a

形式であり、当日、サヘルさんは仕事の関係で羽short time later: "The interview with Ms. Rosa will

田空港内の待合室にて当財団からの Skype の呼start at 12:30 pm and continue for up to 60 minutes

び出しを待つこととなった。
対談当日となり、開始時間の１分前に、私のパソコンから予め戴いていた M 氏の Skype ID に接続すると、サヘルさん本人が待機していて「こんにちは！サヘル・ローズです」と挨拶された。
モニター画面に映った女性は、コロナ禍のためマスクを着装していたが、特徴のある明るい声と19

After reading an interview with Ms. Sahel Rosa

on November 13th." It was decided that the interview
would be held remotely and that, because of her
work schedule on the day, Ms. Rosa would wait for
us to contact her via Skype in the waiting room at
Haneda Airport.
When I connected to Mr. M's Skype ID, which
I had received in advance, from my personal

在日外国人の子どもの教育のあり方 サヘル・ローズ さん
Ms. Sahel Rosa
How the education of foreign children should be

Afterward
大きな瞳によって、サヘル・ローズさんご本人でcomputer one minute before the scheduled start time

あることが確認できた。

on the day of the interview, Ms. Rosa was already

この後、ビデオ収録の許可を事前に頂いた上で対談を開始したが、take two も叶わないことから、

there waiting for the call. She greeted me by saying,"Hello! I'm Sahel Rosa."

やはり緊張してしまった。こちらか一つ質問を投The woman on the screen was wearing a mask

げかけると、言葉量で 10 倍くらいの返事（回答）because of the COVID-19 pandemic, but I couldが返って来て、その言葉のひとつひとつからサヘ
ルさんの真摯な思いが伝わって来た。
全部で５項目、合計 10 問余りの質疑応答がほぼ終わろうとした時、モニター画面の後方にマネージャーの M 氏がサッと横切ったのが見えた。
また、背後から搭乗時間を告げる航空会社のアナ
ウンスも聞こえた。腕時計を見ると既に開始から
50 分が経過していた。
私は急いで最後の質問を投げかけ、サヘルさん
はそれにも 10 倍くらいの量の言葉で返答して来た。対談者からしっかりとした内容の返事を戴けることはありがたいが、その為に飛行機の出発に遅れないかと気になった私は、「はい、わかりました。では以上で終わります。ありがとうございました」と、まだ何か言いたげなサヘルさんを遮ってしまった。
そして、最後に当財団からの案内として「実は、tell that it was her due to her bright voice and largeeyes.
I started the interview after getting permission torecord it, but I was a little bit nervous because I was
not allowed to do any retakes. She answered eachquestion using about 10 times as many words as
the question, but each of those words conveyed hersincere thoughts.
When I had just about finished asking more than
10 questions on five topics, in my monitor screen,
I saw her manager, Mr. M, quickly pass behind her
and I also heard an airline announcement of theboarding time in the background. When I looked at
my watch, I realized that 50 minutes had alreadypassed since the start of the interview.
I quickly asked my last question, and she again
replied with about 10 times as many words as
my question. I was truly grateful to receive such

明後日の 15 日には財団が毎年開催している『日full and sincere answers from her throughout the

本定住難民とのつどい』というイベントがありまinterview but, worrying that she might miss her flight,

す。当日の模様はビデオに撮り、財団の SNS に

I interrupted her by saying, "Thank you very muchて流す予定です」と付け加えた。

for taking the time to do this interview." Even then, it

これに対してサヘルさんは、「今日はこれから

looked like she still had something to say.

沖縄に移動し、週末は宮古島でのお仕事がある

In closing, I added some information about

ので残念ですがイベントには行けません。でもFWEAP: "On November 15th, the day after

SNS にアップしたら拝見しますので教えてくだ

tomorrow, FWEAP will be holding an annual event

さい。必ず見ますから」と述べた。私はモニター
画面越しにお辞儀をしつつ、Skype の赤い終了ボ
タンを押した。
実は、もしもサヘルさんの発言が意外と短く、その為に対談が予定よりも早く終わってしまいそうな場合を想定し、ice breaking を兼ねたイラン
に関する質問を考えていた。具体的にはイランでcalled the 'Festival for Settled Refugees in Japan.'
We will post a video of the event on our social
media."She responded by saying, "I'm really sorry, but I'm
travelling to Okinawa today to do a job on Miyako
Island over the weekend. I won't be able to attend
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Afterward

対談を終えて庶民のご馳走として知られる『チェロケバブ（炊let me know when it's posted on your social media

いたサフランご飯の上に、焼きたての羊肉のス

site." I bowed toward the monitor screen and clicked

テーキを乗せた “イラン風焼き肉丼” とも言える

the red button to exit Skype.

料理）』についてのトレビアであった。

Actually, I had prepared a question about Iran

個人的なことで恐縮であるが、私は 1976 年、that could serve as an icebreaker or fill any gaps if

1978 年、そして 1998 年の計 3 回、テヘランを

her answers had proved to be unexpectedly short

訪ねたことがあった。最初の 76 年は旧王制時代、次いで 78 年はイスラム革命の前夜、そして最後の 98 年はイスラム革命が成って 20 年近くが経過した現体制のイランである。こうしたイラン
社会の変遷を反映して “庶民のご馳走チェロケバ
ブ” の食べ方も、革命前と革命後とで大きく変ったが「さて、それは何でしょう？」という質問を考えた。
しかし、こんな陳腐な質問を持ち出す必要もな
く、対談はサヘルさんからの誠意に満ちた “山盛り” の回答を得つつ、制限時間ぎりぎりまで続いたのだった。
もしもまたお目にかかる機会があれば、私はこのトレビアについて尋ねてみたいと思っている。

and the interview had ended earlier than planned.
This question was related to a bit of trivia about
Chelo Kebab (an Iranian-style bowl of grilled meat,with freshly grilled lamb steak served on a bed of
cooked saffron rice), which is a specialty dish for thecommon people in Iran.
To explain this question, I'll need to share a littleof my personal background. I have visited Tehran
three times: in 1976, 1978, and 1998. Iran was
still a monarchy when I first visited there in 1976,
but it was on the verge of the Islamic Revolution
when I visited in 1978. When I last visited Iran in
1998, nearly 20 years had passed since the Islamic
Revolution and the current regime was in place.
Reflecting these changes in Iranian society, theway people eat Chelo Kebab has also changed

アジア福祉教育財団 安細和彦

significantly since the revolution. The question I had
prepared was: "What do you think the difference is?"However, there was no need to ask this rather
clichéd question because Ms. Rosa had answered
all of my questions with a "mountain of words," allgiven in full sincerity, and our conversation had
continued until the scheduled end of the interview.
If I ever have the chance to meet her again, I
would love to ask her about this little piece of trivia.

Kazuhiko Anzai

Foundation for the Welfare and Educationof the Asian People

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寄稿文

相談の中の風景
Contribution >> Scenes In Consultation

難民相談員

佐藤 千恵子Chieko Sato
Refugee Counselor

明治大学文学部仏文専攻科卒業。出版社勤務を経てフリーライター、カウンセリング研究所勤務後、1995 年より難民事業本部の難民相談員として大和定住促進センター（神奈川県大和市）、国際救援センター（東京都品川区） に配属。〈注：大和定住促進センターは 1998 年、国際救援センターは 2006 年にそれぞれ閉所済〉

2006 年より難民事業本部の本部事務所勤務、現在に至る。
Graduated from Meiji University, School of Arts and Letters,
French Literature Course. Worked at a publisher, afterwards as afreelancer. Worked at a ounseling institute, and from the year 1995
was assigned as a Refugee counselor at the Yamato Resettlement
Promotion Center (Yamato, Kanagawa) and the International
Refugee Assistance Center (Shinawaga, Tokyo).
In 2006, was assigned to the Refugee Assistance Hedquaters.
(The Yamato Promotion Center closed down in 1998, and theInternational Refugee Assistance Center closed down in 2006)

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第２章

相談の中の風景
Scenes In Consultation
難民相談員

佐藤 千恵子Chieko Sato, Refugee Counselor

Episode 1-4
1 「火」の思い出

Memories of "Fire"

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30

2

日本人へのお返し

3

帰還したうつ病発症のラオス人

A Laotian with depression who returned to Laos

………

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4

カンボジア人の肝っ玉母さん

A mother with spirit

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Giving Back to the Japanese people

FORWORD

まえがき
インドシナ難民相談員の仕事に就いたのは 1994

I started working as a counselor for Indochinese

年の 12 月からです。仕事の始まりは当時、神奈川

refugees in December 1994. At that time, I was

県大和市にあった難民事業本部の大和定住促進センター（1980 年 2 月開設）で、この職場は当職の自宅から徒歩圏内にありました。前職が都内のカウンセリング研究所勤務でしたが私は対人援助というものを考えるとき、仕事の姿勢として二つの考えがあると思いました。
一つは、仕事とは一定の距離を置くこと、そして、
もう一つは、その仕事をライフワークとするなら自身の生活圏内においてできることをする、という分け方です。この場合カウンセリング研究所の勤務は当然前者の姿勢で臨んでいました。自身の生活を出さず、職業としての距離を保つとことです。
しかし難民受け入れ事業については、その分野で先んじている欧米諸国の様子を見聞きした限りでは難民が近隣に定住するときは政府機関がその支援をするという全体的なプログラムはあるとしても、定住に必要な生活資源の提供は近隣の住民たちで

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assigned to the Yamato Resettlement Promotion
Center of the Refugee Assistance Headquarters(RHQ), which was established in February 1980 in
Yamato City, Kanagawa Prefecture. The center was
within walking distance of my home. I previously
worked for a counseling research institute in Tokyo.
Based on my experience of providing interpersonal
assistance there, I think there are two ways you canapproach work.
One is to maintain a certain distance from yourwork, while the other is to consider it your life’s workand continue doing it within your living area. When I
was working for the counseling research institute, I
naturally adopted the former attitude and maintained
a certain distance between my work and private life.
However, from what I have seen and heard about
the situation in Western countries that have madeadvances in the field of refugee acceptance, even if
government agencies run an overall support program
for them, local residents and churches provide theCHAPTER 2EPISODEあり、また、地域の教会が支えになるという生活密

refugees with the resources that they require to

着型のように思いました。前職の仕事を辞してインド

settle there and provide necessary support to them.

シナ難民の相談員をするということは、ある一面カ
ウンセリングの対応を生かしつつも、もっと自身の生活周辺の一部として共に生きるということを考えていました。そうした漠然とした思いを持ちながら難民相談員という職に就きました。知人からこの仕事を勧められた時自宅から徒歩圏内ということからも長いお付き合いになるだろうと予測しました。そう、生活を共に生きるということに区切りはなく、職業という立場を離れても近隣住民としての繋がりがあります。また、一人の母親として子育て、家庭不和、
友人付き合いなど、これらのどれをとってもひとりの人として、日本に暮らす仲間として付き合うということであったし、今もなお難民相談員を続けているのはこれが私のライフワークになったからであると思われます。
大和定住促進センターは 1998 年 3 月に閉所しまThis means that a type of lifestyle-oriented support
is in place. When I left my previous job and decided
to start working as a counselor for Indochinese
refugees, I had assumed that my approach to work
would transition to the second method, that is to say,
I would integrate both my personal and professional
lives. I was confident that this would be my long-term
career going forward. Living within walking distanceof the office as well as in the same neighborhood
as the refugees means that the distinction between
my work and my personal life is nonexistent. It alsomeans interacting with them as a person and afriend living in Japan in a variety of contexts, such as
parenting, moderating family disagreements, all ofwhich transcend the professional environment andsetting. I think the reason why I continue working
as a refugee counselor is because counseling has
become my life.
The Yamato Resettlement Promotion Center was

した。このセンターはベトナム戦争の災禍の影響でclosed in March 1998. The center served as an

隣国タイに難民として流出したラオス、カンボジア人

accommodation and training facility for the Laotians

たちの日本での受け入れ後の住居兼研修施設の役割を担っていました。しかし、タイ国の難民キャンプでの面接がほぼ終息し、それ以降は ODP（ベトナム人の家族の呼び寄せ）及びベトナム国内の難民キャンプに流出したカンボジア人たちの受け入れ事業にシフトされ、その業務は東京都品川区内に設けられた国際救援センター（1983 年 4 月開設、2006
年 3 月閉所）に一本化されました。
大和定住促進センターから始まったインドシナ難
民の人たちと、その支援者の方たちとの出会いには忘れがたい思い出がいくつもあります。その一部を紹介したいと思います。それと共に今年（2020 年）もまた新たに心を揺さぶられるエピソードもありました。そんなことを書き綴ってみたいと思います。

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and Cambodians who fled to neighboring Thailand
due to the impact of the Vietnam War and werethen accepted for resettlement in Japan. When theinterviews conducted at refugee camps in Thailand
were almost over, the center shifted its focus to theOrderly Departure Program (ODP), a program aimed
at allowing Vietnamese refugees to bring over family
members who had been left behind in Vietnam, theacceptance of Cambodians who had fled to refugee
camps in Vietnam. After that, its operations were
integrated into the International Refugee AssistanceCenter (April 1983–March 2006), which wasestablished in Shinagawa Ward, Tokyo.
I have many memories of meeting Indochinese
refugees and the people who supported themt h r o u g h a c t i v i t i e s l a u n c h e d b y t h e Ya m a t oResettlement Promotion Center. I would like toshare with you a few of these memories, in particularrather emotional incident that I experienced this year
(2020).

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相談の中の風景Episode 1「火」の思い出

ベトナム人 Vietnamese

Memories of "Fire"
人間に火を与えたプロメテウス…あらゆる技の源という火の輝き
Prometheus, who gave the gift of fire to mankind: Flashing fire, source of all arts

ギリシャ悲劇 アイスキュロス 『縛られたプロメテウス』

Prometheus Bound, the Greek tragedy by Aeschylus

大震災という苦境のなかで神父を勇気づけた
明るく、大らかなベトナム人たちのメンタリティ
The mindset that encouraged a priest in the middle of the great earthquake

私が大和定住促進センターに勤務を始めた翌

My s e c o n d ye a r wo r k i n g a t t h e Ya m a t o

年の 1995 年 1 月早々に阪神淡路大震災が起

Resettlement Promotion Center, the Great Hanshin-

こりました。国内外からのボランティアが集結し、ボランティア活動が一般の人たちにとって身近になった契機でもありました。この地震が発生した

This earthquake brought together volunteers fromboth Japan and overseas, thereby providing an
opportunity for volunteer activities to become more

阪神淡路地域にはインドシナ難民、特にベトナム

widely recognized by the general public. Many

人が多く定住していました。ベトナムからボート・

Indochinese refugees, especially Vietnamese ones,

ピープルとなって国外へと脱出した人たちが長崎港に多く入国したこともあり、1979 年 12 月に姫路市に定住促進センターが開設されたことから阪had settled in the Hanshin-Awaji area.
Since many of the people ﬂeeing Vietnam as boat
people landed at Nagasaki Port, the Resettlement
Promotion Center was opened in Himeji City

神地域を含む関西地方を定住地として、神奈川

in December 1979. Consequently, the Kansai

県の次に多くの定住者の生活拠点になっていましregion—including the Hanshin area—became theた。震災後の彼らの生活をいかに支えるかという

second largest settlement base for refugee settlers

思いは神奈川県大和市の大和定住促進センターの職員も同じでした。こうして大和定住促進セン
ターからも関西へボランティア活動や実態調査などに出向いていました。
この震災禍の中で私の心を捉えた人がいました。当時神戸市長田地区にあるカトリック鷹取教会に所属していた神田裕神父です。神田神父が東京に出向いて難民事業本部の依頼で難民の現
25

Awaji Earthquake struck in early January 1995.

after Kanagawa Prefecture. Sharing the samedesire as us to somehow find a way of supportingthemselves after the earthquake, the staff of the
Yamato Resettlement Promotion Center in Yamato
City, Kanagawa Prefecture, also visited Kansai toparticipate in volunteer activities and conduct factfinding surveys.
During the aftermath of the disaster, I met
someone who really captured my attention: Father

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状についての講演をしてもらうという機会があり

Hiroshi Kanda, who was at that time a priest of theました。神田神父の風貌にまず驚かされました。

Takatori Catholic Church in Nagata Ward, Kobe

神父という既成のイメージからはほど遠いもので、
顎ひげ、手ぬぐい（タオルだったか）をクビに回しかけて労作からそのまま駆け付けたような格好で講演をされました。
大地震に襲われた直後、教区回りをして目にしたのはかつて経験のないほどの災禍の姿だったそうで、恐らくがっくり肩を落としながら見回り

City. Father Kanda came to Tokyo to give a lectureon the current state of refugees at the request of
the RHQ. The first thing that surprised me was his
appearance, because it differed considerably fromthe typical image of a priest. He had a beard, andthe towel around his neck which made it look as
if he had rushed to the lecture venue straight fromwork.
When Father Kanda began travelling around his

をする日々だったと言います。そんな折、快活に

church parish immediately after the earthquake,

声をかけてくれたのがベトナム難民たち。公園に

he was confronted by the unprecedented damage

集まり暖を取っていました。火を興しバーベキュ

caused by the disaster. Day after day, he visited

ーで飲み食いを愉しんでいたとのことです。このthe st r icken area, his shoulders slu mped i n

光景については、ある一部の日本人による実態も知らないままベトナム人が謂われない中傷の誤報「事件」でもありました。震災に乗じてベトナ

disappointment. On one occasion, some Vietnamese
refugees called out to him cheerfully. They wereenjoying a barbecue in a park while warming
themselves. Some Japanese people who were not

ム人が盗んだ食材でバーベキューをしていたといfamiliar with the actual circumstances falsely

う噂が流布されたのです。これはとんでもない誤claimed that some sort of “incident” had taken

解で、彼らは前日バーベキュー用の食材を調達して仲間で集まる約束をしていた。生まれて初めて、想像を絶する地震に見舞われて為す術のない状

place. As a result, the Vietnamese were slanderedby baseless rumors that they had taken advantageof the disaster to have a barbecue using ingredientsthat they had stolen from stores. They had actuallypurchased the ingredients for the barbecue theday before and ar ranged to get together thatday. Confronted by an unimaginably powerfulearthquake for the first time in their lives, they wereleft feeling lost in a situation beyond their control.
While confirming the safety of their friends, theydecided to get together as planned anyway. Because
their rooms were in such a mess that there was noroom to stand, they took the ingredients outside,made a fire, and started a barbecue so that they

2012 年 4 月、姫路定住促進センター跡地に元ベトナム難民有志により建立された「感謝の碑」

could warm themselves together. They encouraged"Gratitude Monument" was built in April 2012 on the formersite of the Himeji Settlement Promotion Center by former
Vietnamese refugees.

Let’s just eat together first.” They even talked to

one another, saying: “It’s no use worrying now.
passers-by to encourage them as well. It was then
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況だった。仲間の安否を確認しながら、ともかく集まろうということになり、室内は足の踏み場もない荒れ方だったので食材を持ち寄り、暖を取ろうということになった。火を起こし、バーベキューを始めた。くよくよせずまずは食べよう！と。その相談の中の風景that Father Kanda happened to pass by.
He must have looked depressed as he waswalking. They called out to him, “Father, why
don’t you come over here and warm up. Have
something to eat and cheer up.” He was actuallyencouraged and comforted by them saying: “Let’s

うち仲間うちだけでなく道行く人にも声をかけて

warm up by the fire, have something to eat and put

励ましあおうと話し合った。そこに神父が通った

aside our worries. Let’s call it quits for today.” Theということでした。「神父よ、ともかく今は暖まって、食って元気を出そう」と。自分は沈み切った表情
をして通り過ぎようとしていたのだろう。この声掛

Vietnamese refugees would have been shocked
and heartbroken, having been caught up in adisaster in a foreign country and having watched
the city collapse around them. Despite that, they

けは逆に本当に励ましにも慰めにもなった。「くよput themselves together and got ready for work.

くよ考えず火に暖まり物を食おう、これで今日は

He learned the “right” course of action from

いいじゃないか」ベトナム難民たちこそ他国で被them. Based on this experience, Father Kanda was

災し、ガラガラと崩れ落ちた町の姿を目の当たりにして心が折れるほどの衝撃だったろうに、仲間と火を囲み、暖を取る。そして腹ごしらえをして

motivated to investigate the level of damage andreach out to those with problems. Furthermore, withthe help of these Vietnamese refugees, he built a
prefabricated hut next to his church as an adviceからこの先に待つ労働に向かうのだ。正しい選択

center for those affected by the disaster. Fatherを彼らから学んだ。この経験から、彼らの力を借Kanda said that this counseling hut was only made

りて被災した人たちの相談の場として教会の脇に
プレハブ小屋を建て被災状況を調べたり、問題がある人に手を差し伸べようという気概が沸いた。

possible by the cooperation of the Vietnamese
refugees and that he was greatly encouraged by
the positive mindsets that they adopted, especially
their cheerfulness and generosity, to get out of the

ベトナム難民の協力があってこそ実現した相談

predicament. As I had no experience of interacting

小屋だったと、神田神父は言いました。明るさ、with people from Indochina, this all served to

大らかさという彼らのメンタリティからこの苦境を脱するためどれほど勇気づけられたかという報告を私は聞きました。インドシナの人たちとの接触

deepen my interest in Vietnamese refugees as well
as Catholic churches.
The following year, Church Archdiocese ofTokyo hosted a Ref ugee Issues St udy Group
meeting at Shiomi Catholic Church. I was nota member of this group because I was a newcounselor, but upon hearing that a senior counselor
would not be able to attend for some reason, I
immediately asked if I could attend the meeting
instead. The theme of the meeting was to learn
more about the current situation of Vietnamese
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とにかく今は暖まって、食って元気をだそう！
A n y w ay, l e t ' s w a r m u p, e a t a n d c h e e r u p f o r n ow !
が未経験であった私は、ベトナム難民と共にカト

to create a network that would allow them toリック教会への関心も深まりました。

share the difficulties that they face as refugees.

翌年、
カトリック教会主催の「難民問題研究会」
がカトリック東京大司教区潮見教会で開催されました。私はまだ新人だったのでこの会議のメンバ

A represent at ive of the ref ugee com mu n it ylisted some of these difficulties. I had actuallyexperienced two of them through my work.
One issue was the need for foreigners to acquire

ーには入っていなかったのですが、先輩相談員

a Certificate of Unmarried Status if they want to get

が所用で出られないことを聞きつけて、急遽出席

married, while the other was the need for them toを希望しました。テーマは各地域に居住するベト
ナム難民の現状把握と、難民として直面する困難な問題を共有するためのネットワーク作りをする

have a guarantor when they submit an Application
for Extension of Period of Stay to the Immigration
Bureau. The Vietnamese who raised these issues
became somewhat emotional, saying, “It’s not our

懇談会でした。難民コミュニティ代表者の人から

fault that we can’t submit these required documents.

幾つかの困難事例が挙げられました。そのうちのIt’s an administrative issue that goes beyond our

二つの問題は私もこの業務に就いた中で経験しknowledge. Given this, these issues should beていた事例でした。
ひとつは婚姻時の外国人の独身証明書の取得
で、もうひとつは入国管理局に在留期間更新申resolved on the administrative side.” However,attendees from the RHQ did not provide a clear
response to any of these issues. During the meetingbreak, I personally told one of the representatives of

請をする際の身元保証人が求められるという問

the refugee community how we were dealing with

題でした。この問題を挙げたベトナム人はやや感

these issues.

情的になっていました。「これらの提出が必要と言われる書類が出せないのは自分たちの問題ではない。難民が周知されていない行政の問題だ。

① Certiﬁcate of Unmarried Status
When Vietnamese and other Indochineser ef u g e e s g et m a r r i e d, t h ey r e q ui r e a

行政側で解決してほしい」というものでした。こCertificate of No Impediment to Marriage,

れについて明確な返答を難民事業本部側出席者

but they cannot submit this certificate if

からは提示されませんでした。私は会議休憩時に

they have been deregistered in their home

これらの問題について、当職らが行っている対処の方法を個人的に発言者に伝えました。

country. For this reason, they can submit a
Certification Request Form to the city officerequesting the issuance of a certificate
stating the following for use as a substitute①独身証明書について
ベトナムを含むインドシナ難民が結婚する場合は婚

document: “I have not submitted a marriage
registration during my period of residence.”

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姻要件具備証明書が必要ですが、本国で登録を抹相談の中の風景② Guarantor

消された難民たちには同証明書を提出することがImmigration offices require applicants to haveできない。このため居住市役所に「証明願い」と

a guarantor, because this is prescribed as

して、「自分が居住している期間婚姻届を提出してone of the requirements for the Application

いません」とする証明書を発給してもらうことで代替書類にできる。そのフォームがある。

②身元保証人について

for Extension of Period of Stay. Therefore,
we prepare a statement entitled “About the
Guarantor” for submission when an extensionof period stay is required. Specifically, thestatement states the following.

出入国管理事務所では身元保証人を確かに求めら

I entered Japan with permission to settle

れる。これは在留期間更新の必要事項のひとつに

here in 19XX. However, I do not yet have

なっているのでやむを得ない。当職たちは予め文

an acquaintance in Japan who could serve

書化したフォームを作っていて、更新時に渡してas my guarantor. Nonetheless, I live here

いる。「身元保証人について」というタイトルの陳in accordance with the rules of Japanese

述のための文書である。具体的には、「私は、19

society. Therefore, I hereby request that〇〇年に日本に定住を許可されて入国しています。
日本にはまだ身元保証人になってくれる知人等はいません。しかし一般社会のルールに従い生活しています。身元保証はこの文書を以て許可願います」。

you accept this statement as a letter ofguarantee for the extension of my periodof stay.
Since an oral explanation alone was insufficient,I prepared a draft of this document on the same

口頭では難しいので同日文書案を作成して当

day and gave it to such one of the representatives of

該質問者に渡したところ、「これはどの地域でも

the refugee community. Upon receiving it, he said,

必要なのでカトリック教会にも置いてほしい」との依頼を受けました。カトリックの方たちは「今回の懇談会の収穫は正にこのような文書です」と当職に声をかけてくれました。
私はこのような懇談会こそが難民問題に欠かすことのできない「実効性」そして「問題の共有」
だと感じました。私は当日咳き込みがひどく、微熱のある風邪症状がありながらの参加だったので
すが、なんと翌朝嘘のように風邪が治まっていました。

29“This is necessary in all regions, so I would like it
to be placed in all Catholic churches.” A member of
the Catholic Church approached me as well, saying:“This is precisely the kind of document that wewere hoping to gain from this meeting.”
I feel that meetings like this are essential toaddressing refugee problems as they provide an
opportunity to formulate effective solutions andshare problems. When I attended the event, I had abad cough and a slight fever, but the next morning
my cold went away like magic.

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Episode 2

日本人へのお返し

ベトナム人 Vietnamese

Giving Back to the Japanese people
この遠い国の木々の下に住んで いまもわれらが思い出すのは

西の海に輝くあなたの星の光

We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees. Thy starlight on the Western Seas

J.R.R. トールキン 『指輪物語 9』

Extract from Chapter IX of J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings

７万枚のマスクを無償配布した元難民のベトナム人経営者。
その行動にいたった彼の想いとは
A former Vietnamese refugee business owner who gave away 70,000 masks.
What made him do that?

「日本人がスーパーにもマスクがなくて困って“Did you hear about a Vietnamese guy who

いる時に、ベトナムからすごい量のマスクを自費

imported a huge amount of face masks from Vietnam

で取り寄せて、道行く人に配っているベトナム人がいること知っている？その人はインドシナ難民のお墓の納骨場所を広げる費用や、お墓を取り

at his own expense so that he could distribute themto passers-by, when Japanese people were struggling
with a serious shortage of masks in shops andsupermarkets? His name was Leng. He also covered

囲むブロック塀の費用もすべて自費で出してくれthe costs involved in expanding the burial grounds forたルンさんだよ」。

Indochinese refugees and the costs of constructing

神奈川県在住でベトナム難民の相談役になっている元ベトナム難民で情報通の H さんからこんな電話を受けました。私は早速ルンさんというそblock walls around the graves.”
This is what Mr. H, a former Vietnamese refugee
who lives in Kanagawa Prefecture and serves as aconsultant for Vietnamese refugees, said to me duringの男性に会いに行きました。レー・バン・ルンさa phone call. I immediately went to see Mr. Leng Van

んは横浜市泉区内で廃品回収業の「ＴＣ成功商

Lung, who runs a recycling service company called会」を営んでいます。広大な敷地には廃品とな

TC Seiko Shokai, in Izumi Ward, Yokohama City.

った車が次々運ばれ、大型クレーン車によって解体される。同敷地内にある作業所ではベトナム人

Disused cars were being brought into the vast site one
after another and dismantled by a large crane. At aworkshop located on the same site, which serves as a

たちの雇用の場となっている金属製品の分類等

place of employment for Vietnamese people, workersの仕事が行われていました。私がルンさんにおwere performing scrap metal classification and other

会いしたのは 3 年ほど前、インドシナ難民のお墓

such operations. In fact, I had first met Mr. Leng about

として提供を受けた藤沢市内にある善然寺のお墓掃除の折でした。日焼けした顔、深く刻まれた
皺から「肉体労働で鍛えた体躯」が圧倒的存在

three years earlier when I visited Zennenji Temple
in Fujisawa City to help clean graves that were being
provided for Indochinese refugees. With a tanned face
full of deep wrinkles and a body trained by physical
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相談の中の風景

自分が稼げている間は困っている人に分けるのが当たり前と思っている
I t ' s n a t u r a l f o r m e t o g ive b a c k n ow t h a t I ' m w e l l o f f
感のある人という印象でした。いただいた名刺はlabor, he was a man with a commanding presence.

仕事の油にまみれた手垢の跡が残っていました。

The business card he gave me had marks on it because

とにかく働く人だ、と H さんが言った言葉通りでした。ルンさんは、毎朝５時に起きて職場に向かう。どんな力仕事でもまず自分から働く。この姿

his fingers were covered in grease from work. This
showed that he was extremely hard-working, just as
Mr. H had described. Mr. Leng wakes up at 5 a.m.
every morning and then heads to work. He always

勢は単身で廃品回収業を始め、自転車で一日中

takes the lead in any hard work. His attitude has not

動き回っていた頃と全く変わっていないそうです。

changed at all since he first started his own recycling

ルンさんは 1993 年 7 月に日本での定住を許可されてから初めに就いた仕事は車の製造の会社だったようです。日本語がわからないので仕事

service business and commuted by cycling.
After receiving permission to settle in Japan in July
1993, Mr. Leng first worked for a car manufacturing
company. However, he had no idea how to do thisのやり方が全くわからない。このまま続けても無work due to his lack of Japanese-language skills.

駄だと半年くらいで見切りをつけた。日本はまだBelieving that there was no point in him continuing to

バブル景気の残像があり廃品回収の仕事なら体

work there any longer, he quit after about six months.

を張って一人でできると思ったそうです。徐々に作業所の規模は大きくなり、数も増え、13 年か
けて現在の規模にまでなりました。しかし体を使As evidence of the legacy of the bubble economy
could still be found at that time in Japan, he thoughtthat he would be able to run a recycling business on
his own by devoting himself to his work. It has taken

う仕事への姿勢は変わらない。「ルンさんほどベ

him about 13 years to grow his business to its current

トナムでの郷里にいた頃の素朴な生活態度から

scale. The number of workshops has increased, but

変わらない人はいない、無口で黙々と働く人」とH さんは評価する。そうした態度を持ちながら周囲に困った人がいればさらっと手助けする。インhis commitment to a physical-style of work remains
unchanged. Mr. H has nothing but praise for him,saying, “I have never seen anyone like him before.
He maintains the same simple lifestyle as he had

ドシナ難民のお墓の納骨所の拡大やブロック塀

back in his hometown in Vietnam while continuing

囲み費用などのことを同国人から聞くと、すぐお

to work silently and intently.” While maintaining
this attitude, he quickly lends a helping hand to thosein need around him. When he heard from someother Vietnamese refugees about the expansion of
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寺に向かい寄付を申し出てくれた。今までも日本

a donation. Whenever he hears news of disasters inのどこかの地域に災害のニュースがあれば、かな

various parts of Japan, he donates considerable sums

りの額を当たり前のように寄付している。息子さんによれば、ルンさんが仕事を広げて現在に至り、信用を得るまでには、沢山の人の支援もあof money as a matter of course. According to his son,he had to receive support from a lot of people before
he gained the level of trust that he enjoys today, andwas able to expand his business to its current size,った。日本人のお陰だと考えている。だから災害

which he believes is all thanks to the Japanese people.

があると聞けば日赤や市役所などを通じて寄付をTherefore, whenever he hears about a disaster, he

惜しみなく出すことも自分の生活の一部にしていると言います。ベトナム時代の生活は村全体が貧しかった。その生活の経験があるので、現在自

makes a generous donation through the Japanese Red
Cross Society (JRCS) or a municipal government.
He says that this is just part of his life. When he lived
in Vietnam, all of the village residents were poor.

分が稼げる間は困っている人に分けるのが当たり

Because he has experienced that life for himself, it

前だと思っている、お返しできてうれしいのだと

is only natural for him to want to help those in need

言葉少なに語ります。

now that he is making money. A man of few words, he

マスク不足のニュースがあった時すぐベトナムのマスク業者に連絡してその数 7 万枚を送ってもらった。総額は 300 万円くらいだそう。すべて

simply said that he is happy to be able to give back.
Upon hearing news of the shortage of masks,
he contacted Vietnamese mask vendors and asked
them to send as many as 70,000 masks all at his own

自前で賄った。神奈川県内のベトナム人ボランテ

expense. It cost him about 3 million yen. When Ms.

ィアグループとして、被災地への寄付活動や炊きBui Thi Thanh Van and some other female members

出しなどの行動をしてきた女性のブイ・ティ・タ
ンバンさんたちがマスクのニュースを聞いてルンさんの会社に集まり、一人 5 枚入りの袋詰めを

of a Vietnamese volunteer group in Kanagawa
Prefecture who have engaged in various volunteer
activities—such as undertaking donation activities
and providing meal services in disaster areas—heard

手伝い、会社の前の通りに出て配り続けたそう

about the masks, they got together at Mr. Leng’sです。マスクのことを聞くために事務所に行った

company to help pack 5 masks per package. After that,日、ルンさんはマスクの話より息子さんが父親の会社に入って自分にはできない相手との交渉の窓口になってくれているので、それが今一番うれしいと笑顔を向けました。その息子さん、竜崎司

they began distributing masks on the street in front of
the company. When I visited the office to interview
them about the masks, Mr. Leng told me with a smilethat the thing that pleased him the most was that his
son had joined his company and was serving as a point※当時の様子が掲載された神奈川新聞の紙面。詳しくは P41 をご覧ください。( 記事の一部を修正しています )An article in the Kanagawa Shimbun that describes the situation at that time. See page 47 fordetails.(Little modifications have been made on this article.)

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相談の中の風景さんがマスクのことを話してくれました。インドシ

of contact for negotiations, something Mr. Leng would

ナ難民にお墓を提供してくれた藤沢市善然寺にもhave been unable to do. His son, Tsukasa Ryuzaki,
said that boxes containing 1,500 masks were also

1500 枚入りの箱を届けたのです。ベトナムの故delivered to Zennenji Temple (Fujisawa City), which

郷の孤児院等にも食糧支援などをしているとのこ

has provided graves for Indochinese refugees. Mr.

とです。

Leng also provides food support for orphanages in「働くことができる今が一番幸せだから」。

his home country of Vietnam, saying, “I am happiest
because I can work now.”

Episode 3

帰還したうつ病発症のラオス人
A Laotian with depression who returned to Laos
私から去れ

太古からの人間の苦しみよ！

ラオス人 Laotian

たとえすべてが苦しみでありすべてが悩みと影であるにせよ

この甘美な日の照るひとときだけはそして赤ツメクサの香りだけは

私の心の中のこの深い優しい幸福感だけは苦しみでも悩みでも影でもない。
Leave me alone, ancient sorrow! Let everything be spoiled.
Let it be suffering and shadows through and through ̶But save this one sweet hour of sunlight,
and the scent of the red clover, and the tender,
deep ease at the center of my soul.

ヘルマン・ヘッセ 『（草に寝て）庭仕事の愉しみから

Extract from "Lying in Grass" in Joy of Garden by Hermann Hesse

うつ病を患い、母国への帰還を願うラオス人男性。
彼を故郷へ帰すため、相談員が奔走する。
A Laotian man suffering from depression wishes to return to his home country.
Counselors work hard to send him home.

日本の生活に不適応になり栃木県の病院に長It was just after I started working at the Yamato

く入院しているラオス人男性の話を聞いたのは、Resettlement Promotion Center that I first heard

私が大和定住促進センターに勤務して間もない頃でした。記録を読んだところ、入院は 2 年にも及び無為無感動の状態。頭を首に落として殆どベッドで過ごしているというのです。ラオス語

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about a Laotian who had been hospitalized in
Tochigi Prefecture. Upon reading his records, I
learned that he had many difficulties adapting tolife in Japan, and for the last two years he has been
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in bed with his head slumped down. According toa Lao interpreter, he developed depression overtime, and his symptoms gradually worsened overtime. A hospital social worker who took care of him
occasionally reported his condition to the center.
One day the social worker called the center and said,“He wants someone from the center to come seehim.” Given this, I asked the counselor responsible
通訳に話を聞いたところ、うつ症状を発症し、その度合いが重篤になって現在に至っているというのです。面倒を見てもらっている病院のソーシャ
ルワーカーが時々現在の様子を知らせてくると言for him to accompany me to the hospital.
As the reports had indicated, the Lao man was
sitting in bed with his head slumped down. He
looked depressed and unmotivated, with his eyes
half-open. According to one of the hospital staff, he

います。そして、そのソーシャルワーカーから電kept repeating the same phrase: “I want someone

話があり、「センターの人に会いに来てもらいたfrom the center to come see me.” When we first

い」と言っていますと言うので、このラオス人を担当していた相談員に頼んで同行させてもらいました。

met I introduced myself, “I’m a new counselor. Is
there anything you want to talk to us about? Do you
have anything you would like to ask us?” He said,“I want to return to my home country. I used to live

さて、そのラオス人は、報告通り頭を首までガッ

near a river. It was a sandbar in the Mekong River.

クリ下ろしてベッドに座っています。何もやる気

I caught fish there as the sun reﬂected on the river.”がないという眼差しは半目しか開いていませんでした。病院関係者によれば、話すことはただ「センターの人に来てもらいたい」といつも言っていThe hospital staff member said, “Ever since he was
first hospitalized two years ago, he has wanted toreturn to Laos. He wanted to see someone fromthe center to tell them his wish.” The staff member

るということです。そこで私は、「私は新しく入っcontinued, “I already mentioned him to some

た相談員ですが私たち相談員に何か話したいこ

former counselors. A social worker visited the RHQとがありますか？又何か希望することはあります

office to ask if there was any way to return a refugeeか」と尋ねたところ、「国へ帰りたい、川のそばで暮らしていた。魚が取れるメコン川の中州だった。夕日がきれいだった。川に反射していた」とonce they have officially resettled in Japan, but the
RHQ representative said that there is no way toarrange his return to Laos under this governmentcommissioned project for the resettlement of

答えた。「入院した 2 年前からラオスへの帰還希

refugees in Japan. Consequently, this situation has

望を訴えている、これを聞いてもらいたくて会い

continued for two years now.”

たがっているのです」と、病院関係者は言います。
「今までの相談員にも伝えたし、またソーシャル
ワーカー自らも難民事業本部事務所へ赴き、一旦定住を許可されて入国した難民の帰還する術

I also raised this issue within the RHQ, but I
received the same response. When I collected someof his information, I found out that he had social
insurance cover when he developed this mental
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最大の難関はラオス大使館からの通行証の発給だった
The biggest challenge was the issuance of a travel
document from the Lao embassy
はないのか質問したが、同事業本部の職員からは

disability and to qualify for a disability pension. His『日本に定住する難民のため国からの委託を受

hospitalization costs were covered by this disability

けた事業なので帰還のための業務はない』という返答だった。このため 2 年もこの状態が続いているのです」とのことであった。

out that his daughter was living in her parents’house in Laos and that he remembered her contact
address. I then went to the Social Insurance Agency

当職も事業本部内にてこの問題を尋ねまわっto see if he would be able to receive his disabilityてみたが、上記のような返答でした。当該ラオス

pension benef its if he retur ned to Laos. The

人について情報収集したところ、社会保険加入
中に精神障害に罹患したため障害 1 級の受給者として障害年金によって入院費用も出ていて預金もある。親族情報は娘がラオスの実家に住んで

answer from the agency was: “If he completes theremittance procedure before returning to Laos andopens a bank account immediately after returning
there, his pension benefits will be remitted without
problem.”いる。連絡先住所は当該人が記憶している、とBecause the RHQ provided no support measuresのことであった。帰還できた場合ラオスで障害年

for his ret u r n, I had to ask the U N HCR for

金が受給できるか確かめたいと思い、社会保険庁に確認に行きました。予め送金先の手続きをしてから帰還し、銀行口座をすぐ開設すれば問題なく送金できるとの回答を得ました。
難民事業本部に帰還のための遂行業務がなけ
れば UNHCR に当たるしかない。UNHCR 東京事務所を訪問し、当該人の病状と要望、また帰還
先はあること、帰還後の生活は障害年金が継続

assistance. I visited the UNHCR Tokyo Officeand talked to them about his health condition andhis desire to return to his home country. I also
explained that he had a home to return to and that
he would have a secure livelihood as he would
be able to receive his disability pension benefits
after returning. Following these talks, I received apositive and realistic response from the UNHCR,
indicating that it would support his return if wewere able to provide reliable information on matters

できる、等の方針を語ったところ、帰還先の確か

such as his return destination and an acceptable

な情報、受け入れ可能な手紙等があれば支援しletter. I then asked a Lao interpreter to write a letter

よう、との前向きで現実的な返答があった。受け入れ可能かどうか親族へ手紙を送る。帰還した
場合地域の銀行に年金の送金ができるので銀行

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pension and he even had some savings. I also foundto his relatives asking if they would agree to accept
him, and a letter asking for the name and address of
the local bank so that his pension benefits could betransferred there after his return. Sometime later,

名と住所を知らせる等ラオス語通訳に手紙を書い

I received a letter from his daughter indicating herてもらう。すると「受け入れ可能である」との当

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該人の娘からの写真付きの手紙と、年金の送付

a photo of her and the name of the destination bank

先銀行名が届いたのです。準備は整った。予め

for his pension benefit payments. At that point,

社会保険庁に出向き、その銀行に送金できるという記録も用意した。
帰還問題の最難関は、在日ラオス大使館から

everything was ready for his return. To make sure,
I visited the Social Insurance Agency to prepare adocument providing evidence that the bank would
be able to accept pension benefit transfers.

の通行証の発給だった。何度かやり取りを行った

The most difficult aspect of his return was

が、この時期は難民が一時帰国する場合、外国

obtaining a pass certificate from the Embassy

人と同様、査証申請をして最長 3 ヶ月のみの入国であり、また、再入国許可証を使うとのことであった。難民として国外へ脱出した者は査証期

of Laos in Japan. Through interactions with theembassy, it became clear that refugees applying
for a temporary return to Laos were only able toapply for a visa of up to three months and that they

間を超えると不法滞在扱いになってしまうのは、

would be required to repeatedly submit applications

当然のことであった。UNHCR 東京事務所の当時

for a re-entry permit thereafter. It was naturalの法務官に面会し、最終段階で当職らの力が及that those who had f led the country as refugees

ばない成田空港からラオスのビエンチャン空港までの渡航文書（レセパセ）の発給を在日ラオス大使館に取り合ってもらえないかと相談を行った

would be treated as illegal immigrants after the
expiry of their visa period. I met with a then legal
officer of the UNHCR Tokyo Office to ask him tonegotiate with the Embassy of Laos in Japan for

ところ、ラオス大使を食事に誘って再入国でな

the issuance of a travel document (laissez-passer)

いのだからレセパセを発給してほしいとの依頼をfrom Narita Airport to Vientiane Airport in Laos,

行ってくれた。そして、「精神障害という外国での不適応者を助けるための人道支援である」との見解をいただいた。そして当該人は最終的にUNHCR 及び在日ラオス大使館にて面接を受け、

which was beyond the scope of the support that we
could provide. The UNHCR officer invited the Laoambassador for a meal and asked him to issue alaissez-passer because this case was not deemed asa re-entry. Eventually, the ambassador recognized
the case as “humanitarian assistance to help aperson who has developed a mental disorder, unable
to adapt to a foreign environment.” The UNHCR
and the Embassy of Laos in Japan interviewed
him to confirm his strong desire to return and his
pledge to abandon his life in Japan and never return.
When his desire to return became a possibility,
he had groomed himself for the first time since
his hospitalization and left Tochigi Prefecture for

故郷のラオスに戻り、体調を取り戻した問題の男性（左から二人目）
After he returned to his hometown in Laos, he seems tohave recovered (Second from left)

Tokyo to attend his interview. At the embassy, he
explained that he was totally exhausted and though
he had tried hard to live in Japan at first, that hebelieved it was no longer possible. He then told
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them that he believed he would get better if he could

いと言明する意思確認を行った。帰還の希望がlive the rest of his life fishing in the river near his

現実のものとなった当該人は、入院後初めて外出するための散髪をし、髭をそり、電車で栃木か

home. Finally, the Embassy of Laos in Japan issued
him with a laissez-passer.
He travelled to Narita Airport from the hospital,

ら東京に出てきた。そして当初は日本での生活

and one of the social workers at the hospital kindly

を頑張っていたが力が尽きてしまったこと、魚を

agreed to accompany him on his ﬂight to Vientiane,

釣りながら故郷の川で暮らせば希望が見えること

Laos. On his arrival, a member of staff from theをも、自分の言葉で伝えた。在日ラオス大使館
はレセパセを発給した。

UNHCR Laos Office would meet him at the airport
to send him to his daughter’s house.
A few years later, the Lao interpreter returned

帰還に当たり、病院から成田空港へ行き、更to Laos temporarily and visited his house, takingにそこからラオスのビエンチャンまでの空路行程

a few pictures of him. When in Japan, he was aには病院のソーシャルワーカーが好意で付き添

shell of a man, but in Laos he looked refreshed and

いすることになった。ビエンチャンの空港では

had a smile on his face. He seemed to be satisfied

UNHCR ラオス事務所のスタッフが出迎え、娘の家まで送るとの手はずになり、遂にラオス行きの飛行機に乗ることができたのです。

with earning a living by catching fish just as hehad used to do. Although he continues to take thepsychiatric drug prescribed by a staff member fromthe UNHCR Laos Office, he no longer gets confined

数年後、ラオス語通訳がラオスに一時帰国し

to his bed or hospitalized. (The UNHCR providedた際に、当該人宅を訪問して当該人の写真を撮

support in this matter only during that particular

映してきました。老人のような風体で無表情だった当該人のラオスでの生活には精気が戻って笑
顔が浮かんでいました。魚を捕るという昔のままの生業を細々と続けていて満たされているようだった、ということでした。UNHCR ラオス事務所のスタッフから紹介された精神科治療薬の服用は続けているものの、寝込んでしまったとか、病院に入院することはなくなったそうです。
（UNHCRの支援はこの時期特別だったようで、その後このような相談は受け付けていません）

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Episode 4

カンボジア人の肝っ玉母さん
A Mother with Spirit

カンボジア人 Cambodian

泣くに時があり、笑うに時があり、悲しむに時があり、踊るに時があり…
A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance…

旧約聖書 『伝導の書』

Book of Ecclesiastes (3-4), Old Testament of the Bible

学校での生徒間のトラブル。解決と思いきや母親の意外な反応に、ひたむきな愛をみる。
Trouble brews at a school, and a mother’s unyielding love, prompts me to find a solution.

大和定住促進センターに勤務して間もない頃、

I received a phone call from a Cambodian moth-

カンボジア人の母親から電話を受けました。「息er shortly after I started working at the Yamato

子が夜間高校でいじめに遭った。教師は相手の子の味方をした。息子は頭にボールをぶつけられたのに、誰も息子の味方をしてくれない。二人

Resettlement Promotion Center. Her son was beingbullied at a night school, and his teacher had taken
the other child’s side. Despite her son having been
hit on the head with a ball, nobody considered his

で今日取っ組み合いさせてどちらが強いか勝負さside of the story. She asked for my help saying her

せようとしている。助けてほしい」というような相

son and the other child were going to fight. She was談であったが興奮が激しく半泣きと怒りが混じり合い、全体を把握するのが難しい。母親はどう
やら学校の先生に会って事情を確かめてほしいと

extremely agitated when we spoke, and it was difficult to ascertain the issue at hand, but I was able tounderstand that she wished for me to meet with theteacher of their class. I then contacted the school

望んでいるようだったので、私は、母親の許可を

and the response of the homeroom teacher seemed

得て夜間高校へ連絡しました。夜間高校の担任

quite positive. He said that this would be a very

教師は当職からの連絡に好意的でした。「とてもgood opportunity to resolve the matter and asked

良い機会である、事実を伝えて親御さんにも安心してほしい」と来校を受け入れてくれました。授業の始まる前に教師に会いカンボジア人生徒がボールをぶつけられたという件について説明を受けました。
バレーボールで遊んでいるグループの中のある生徒が投げたボールが、そばを通ったカンボ
ジア人生徒の後頭部に当たった。カンボジア人

me to explain the circumstances to the mother tohelp reassure her. He invited me to the school andwe held a brief meeting before class to discuss thecircumstances in which her son had been hit with aball.
A ball served by a student in a group playing
volleyball had hit the Cambodian student on theback of the head as he was passing by. This angered the Cambodian boy, who believed that theother student had hit him with the ball on purpose.
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生徒はわざと自分をめがけてぶつけてきたと怒り

When he raised his hand to strike the student who

出し、相手生徒に殴り掛かったところを他の生徒

had thrown the ball, he was stopped by another stu-に止められた。教師は周囲にいた生徒らに事情を聴き、状況を把握することができた。いじめではなく過失だった。ぶつけた生徒はすぐ謝ったがdent. The teacher got an understanding of the situation after listening to explanations from students
who had witnessed the altercation between the twoboys. He determined that it had been an accident,

興奮していたカンボジア人生徒は気が収まらな

and that he was not bullied. The student who had

い。昨日は頭を冷やさせ、改めて今日もこの問

mistakenly hit the Cambodian boy with a ball im-

題を解決するために時間を取ったという。しかし当職が聞いたのは改めて二人を対決させるという

mediately apologized, but her son was still agitatedand could not settle himself down.
The teacher told me that he had tried to help the

風に聞いたと伝えたところ、「それはカンボジア

Cambodian student calm down the previous day

人生徒がどうしてもボールをぶつけた相手に仕返

and that he had spent some time trying to resolve

しをしたいというので、私から『タイマンを張っ

the problem again that day. I mentioned that I hadてやる気なのか、それは喧嘩だ。今回のことはheard that the two boys were planning to fight each

過失なので相手に君が納得するまで謝ってもらおう』と、言ったことが、どうもうまく伝わらなかったようです」とのことであった。

other. He then told me “It’s because the Cambodianstudent really wanted to get revenge on the otherstudent who had hit him with a ball. This was anaccident, so I’ll ask the other student to apologize

その後、当職も参加する許可を得て二人の生

until he’s satisfied. However, it seems that my

徒と教師が順番に話し合いを進めました。この話

words didn’t get through to him very well.” The

し合いによって、日本語力が十分でないカンボジ
ア人生徒もゆっくりと時間を取ってもらったことですべてのいきさつを理解し、教師の気持ちもわかteacher continued explaining that he made sure toemphasize that the two boys scheduling a fight wascompletely unacceptable.
The teacher then had a meeting with each of

り、双方の生徒が握手することができたのです。

the students in turn, which I remained present for.

教師は「どんな小さなことでも授業よりこうした対Since plenty of time was taken to discuss the mat-

人関係をしっかり築くことが大事なので、必ず双方が納得するまで時間をかけるようにしている」と、言います。カンボジア人生徒は「いじめでは

ter, the Cambodian student, whose Japanese level
was not very high, fi nally managed to understandwhat had happened and the teacher’s feelings. The
two students finally shook hands in the end. The
teacher said, “No matter how small a matter may
be, it is important to build personal relationships
this way. It is actually even more important thanclasses, so I always take enough time to make surethat both sides are satisfied.” The Cambodian student said in his own words, “It turns out it wasn’t
bullying. The way the teacher got involved wasvery helpful.”

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あなたは本当に優しいお母さんだから
It is all because you are really a kind mother.

なかった、先生の関わり方はよかった」と、自分の言葉で言いました。
そこで、私はその日のうちに母親宅を訪問して、母親に対しゆっくり教師の言葉、相手の生徒との仲直り、いじめではなかったことを伝えましWhen I visited his mother’s house later that day,
I took my time explaining to her what the teacher
had said and talked about the reconciliation between the two boys, explaining it hadn’t been bullying. I also told her that the teacher had alreadyintended to resolve the problem even before I

た。そして、「担任教師はこちらから訪問する前か

visited the school. However, his mother didn’t pay

ら時間を取って解決しようとしていた」と、話した

any attention to the reconciliation and instead re-のです。ところが母親は仲直りという解決の話には一向に意に介さず、息子が痛い思いをさせられたことにこだわります。自分が殴られたような、痛mained fixated on her son’s painful experience. She
continued speaking in the same fierce tone of voicethat she had used on the phone before, expressing
her frustration and anger as if she had been hit andい思いをさせられたという悔しさと怒りをぶつける

experienced the pain herself. She simply could not

激しい口調は電話口で聞いた時と変わらないのでcome to terms with what had happened even afterす。息子たちの仲直りを聞いても収まらない。そshe had heard about the reconciliation. As the eve-

して夜も更けてくる。しかし、何故か私はこの母親にある種の感動を覚えたのです。母親が高校

ning went on, I actually started to feel somewhat
moved by the mother as she vented her emotions
about her son’s pain.

生の息子の痛みに対し思いの丈をぶつける様に。

At this point, I said: “The teacher and the other「教師も相手の生徒も悪くはなかった。でも息student were not in the wrong, but your son experi-

子は痛い思いをした。お母さんには息子が痛い

enced pain. So you feel a great deal of pity for your思いをしたことが可哀そうでたまらないのですね。慣れない夜間学校、異国の言葉の中でどんなふうに学校生活を送っているか心配だったので

son’s painful experience, right? You’ve been worrying about your son’s school life at this night schoolthat is still unfamiliar to him where others speak
a foreign language, right? You were hoping every

すね。何事もないようにきっと毎日願っていたの

day that nothing bad would happen to him. So, youでしょう。だから悔しくて、腹が立って、いつまでend up feeling frustrated and angry and struggle toも気持ちが収まらないのですね。あなたは本当に優しいお母さんだから」。

come to terms with it, right? That’s all because you
are a really kind mother.”
As soon as I had finished speaking, she turned

私がそう言ったとたん、母親は何も言わずプイ

on her heels and left the house without saying aと家を出て行ってしまった。私は待つしかなかっword. I had no choice but to wait. Then she sudden-

た。すると母親は熱々の弁当を抱えて戻って来ま

ly came back with some freshly prepared meals.

した。
「私が息子をどんなに心配しているかをわかっ“I’m really happy that you understand how worried I was about my son. It’s over now. Everything

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相談の中の風景てくれた。すごく嬉しい。終わった！もう大丈夫！

is all right. Let’s eat together! When my son comes

食べよう、一緒に。息子、帰ったら抱きしめて迎

back, I will welcome him home with a hug. This isえる。これでこのことは無し！」。

the end of the matter!”

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2020 年 5 月 1 日、神奈川新聞 ( 神奈川新聞社提供、複製禁止、記事の一部を修正しています )May 1, 2020 : Kanagawa Shimbun (Kanagawa Shinbun-provided, copy prohibited. Little modifications have been made on this article.)

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MY STORY

日本での定住 30 年を迎える
MY STORY >> Marking 30 Years of Life in Japan

模範難民定住者

フィン・ロン・クワン
Mr. Huynh Long Quan
Exemplary Settled Refugee1988 年
1994 年
1996 年
2000 年2017 年
2019 年
1988:
1994:

ODP により入国（呼寄せ人：母）
神奈川県立新栄高等学校卒業
都内のベトナムレストランでアルバイト（約 2 年）
物流センターに就職
都内のベトナムレストランに就職し、調理、ホール、経営等に携わるとともに本国にも頻繁に出張して料理全般について学ぶ
都内に本格ベトナム料理店「オールドサイゴン」をオープン
公益財団法人アジア福祉教育財団より表彰（模範難民定住者として）Entered and resettled in Japan under the ODP (summoned by his mother).
Graduated from Shinei Senior High School in Kanagawa Prefecture.
Started working part-time at a Vietnamese restaurant in Tokyo (about
2 years).

1996:
2000:

2017:
2019:

Started working at a distribution center
Started working at a Vietnamese restaurant in Tokyo, withresponsibilities ranging from cooking and floor service tomanagement. Meanwhile, frequently traveled to Vietnam to learn
more about Vietnamese cuisine in general.
Opened an authentic Vietnamese restaurant called "Old Saigon" inTokyo.
Honored as an exemplary settled refugee by the Foundation for the
Welfare and Education of the Asian People (FWEAP).

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Mr. Huynh Long Quan

『日本での定住 30年を迎える』
Marking 30 Years of Life in Japan

アジア福祉教育財団では、日本に定住する

The Foundation for the Welfare and Education

難 民を激 励するとともに、 広く日本 の人 たちof the Asian People (FWEAP) has been holdingに難 民 定住者への理 解を深 めていただくこと

every year since 1982. This festival is aimed atを目的として、1982 年から「 日本定住 難 民とencouraging refugees who have settled in Japanのつどい」を毎年開催しています。

and deepening Japanese people’s understanding

式 典において、難 民定住者の雇 用にご 協力

of foreign refugees.
During the ceremonial part of the festival,

いただいている事業 所をはじめ、日常物心両

the FWEAP honors exemplary settled refugees

面にわたってご支 援いただいている協力者のas well as firms which have contributed to the

方々、模範となる難民定住者を表彰しています。
一 昨 年（2019 年）に模範 難 民として表彰された Huynh Long Quan さんに日頃の活動について詳しくお話をうかがいました。

漁船で離れ、南シナ海を漂流した母

employment of settled refugees, and parties who
have been providing refugees with both material
and emotional support consistently.
Mr. Huynh Long Quan, who was honored as an
exemplary settled refugee in 2019, told us his life
story.

Leaving Vietnam and coming to Japan

1979 年のことです。母は、叔父と小さな漁船

In 1979, my mother boarded a small fishingに乗り込んで、住み慣れた南ベトナムのニャチャン

boat with my uncle, leaving behind her hometown（Nha Trang。ホーチミン市の北東 450km。南of Nha Trong in South Vietnam (a town located

シナ海に面したカインホア省の省都）をあとにし

450 km northeast of Ho Chi Minh City on theました。漁船には母たちのほかにも 100 人ほどの

coast of the South China Sea). Having travelled

人々でひしめき合っており、母に言わせると、快on a fishing boat packed with about 100 people,

適な船旅からはほど遠いものだったそうです。

my mother recalled that the boat trip was far from

ベトナム戦争終結後、旧南ベトナム政府側だっ

comfortable.

た人々の生活は困窮を極め、追い詰められた人

After the Vietnam War, those who had beenの中には粗末なボートに乗って祖国を離れる人もon the side of the former South Vietnamese

多くいました。
「ボート・ピープル」と呼ばれた人たちは、食料もなければ行く当てもない状況で海上を漂流し、運が良ければ外国の船に助けら
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the Festival for Settled Refugees in Japan

government were living in dire poverty, resulting
in many tormented people making the decision toflee their homeland on poorly made boats. They

日本での定住 30 年を迎える
Marking 30 Years of Life in Japan

Quan さんの経営する
ベトナム料理店「オールドサイゴン」
Mr. Quan’s Vietnamese restaurant “Old
Saigon”

れることもありましたが、半数は海中に沈む運命

became known as “boat people,” and drifted at sea

をたどりました。

with no food, water or destination. If they were

幸い母たちの乗った小さな漁船はフランス籍の石油タンカーに救助され、母はタンカーの寄港地だった沖縄で下船しました。これが私たち一家と日本との縁の始まりです。

lucky, they would be saved by foreign vessels, buthalf of them were destined to drown.
Fortunately, the small fishing boat that mymother rode was rescued by a French oil tanker.

それから数年間、母と私たち子どもたちは日

She was brought to Okinawa when the tanker

本とベトナムで離ればなれに暮らしていましたが、

docked there as its next port of call. This marked

私が 11 歳になった時、元南ベトナム政府関係者だった父が亡くなりました。父の訃報を伝え聞いた母は、合法出国計画（Ordinary Departure
Program: ODP）にもとづき、ハノイにある日本大使館に対し、子どもたちを日本へ呼び寄せたい旨を願い出ましたがなかなか思うように手続きが進まず、日本へのビザを取得するのに結局２年ほどかかりました。

日本語と横浜での青春時代
15 歳 になった 1988 年 の 冬、 私は２人の兄
弟と共にようやく成田空港へ降り立ったのですが、まず驚いたのは、日本の寒さでした。この時点では日本に骨をうずめようという気持ちはな

the beginning of my family’s relationship withJapan.
For the next few years, my mother lived
in Japan, separately from my brothers and I.
We remained in Vietnam with my father, who
was a South Vietnamese government official.
Unfortunately, he passed away not long after I
turned 11 years old. Upon hearing of his passing,
my mother asked Japanese Embassy in Hanoi
to bring my brothers and I to Japan under theOrdinary Departure Program (ODP), but theprocedure did not go as smoothly as expected. In
the end, it took her about two years to arrange ourvisas.

く、ただ母と一緒に暮らしたいという願いから

Japanese language and days in Yokohama

ODP にもとづいて来日したのですが、日本の治When I was 15 years old, I finally landed at

安の良さに安心感を覚え、他の大勢の同胞たち

Narita Airport with my two brothers in the winter44左より、にらの花のニンニク炒め、一番人気メニューの盛り合わせ、上げ春巻き
From left, fried chives, assorted appetizer (No.1 menu) , fried spring rollsのようにアメリカやオーストラリアなどの第三国へ

of 1988. The first thing that surprised me was the

渡りたいという希望も湧きませんでした。その後、cold weather in Japan. At this point, I had just

当時姫路にあった難民事業本部の定住促進セン

come to Japan to live with my mother. I never

ターで半年ほど定住支援プログラムを受講しましexpected my stay in Japan to be permanent. I felt

た。このプログラムを受けた後、すぐに日本語をat ease in Japan, and unlike many other refugees,

流ちょうに話せはしませんでしたが、ひらがなや

I did not wish to go to a third country, such as the

カタカナなど基礎的な日本語を学ぶことができ

United States or Australia. Following my arrival,ました。

I attended resettlement assistance programs for

定住支援プログラム終了後は、母の住む横浜

about six months at the former Resettlement

へ向かいました。横浜では自宅から近い中学校

Promotion Center in Himeji City, which was

へ通うことになりましたが、学校内で外国人は私

operated by the Refugee Assistance Headquarters.

１人だったため、いろいろと苦労をしました。定

Even after attending these programs, I was unable

住促進センターで基礎的な日本語は習っていたと

to speak Japanese fluently, but I managed to

はいえ、当初はテストの問題文が読めず全科目０

learn some of the basics, including hiragana and点でした。また日本人の同級生たちからはイジメ

katakana.

を受けました。私はがむしゃらに対抗していましたが、弟は耐え切れず中学校へ行かなくなってしまいました。
そういった苦労ばかりの中学校生活の中、日本語ができなければ将来仕事にも就けないことはわかっていたので学業の合間に日本語を猛勉強しました。努力の甲斐があって得意の数学と英語の成績は上がり、高校へ進学することができました。
高校でも相変わらずイジメは受けましたが成績
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After I had completed the programs, I moved
to my mother’s place in Yokohama. I attended a
junior high school situated nearby, but since I was
the only foreign student in the school, I faced a lotof difficulties. I could not read the test questions
so I got zero points in all of my subjects. I was
also bullied by my Japanese classmates. I fought
hard to survive the bullying, but my brother could
not cope so he stopped attending to his classes.
With my negative experience at school, I knew

日本での定住 3 0 年 を迎える
Marking 30 Years of Life in JapanMr. Huynh Long Quan

は優秀でした。この頃になると、放課後に母がthat I would not be able to find a good job in the

経営するベトナム料理店の手伝いをするようにな

future without being able to speak Japanese, so I

り、気さくに話しかけてくる日本人のお客さんたmade an extreme effort to work on my Japanese.

ちと接しているうちに日本語がみるみる上達してThanks to these efforts, my math and English

いきました。

grades improved and I was able to go on to highschool.

名物トラック運転手になる
高校卒業後は日本の地理に詳しくなりたいと思い、A 社の物流センターの商品を配送する運送会社へトラックの運転手として就職しました。こ
こでも当初は、地図の見方もわからなければ道もわからなかったため苦労しました。何百種類もある商品の中から自分の配送する商品を選別してトラックに間違いなく積み込むことはできたのですが、道がわからないため、定められた時間にそれらの商品が配送できるように配送先を訪問する順番を決める作業が難しかったのです。
まだナビもない時代でしたのですぐに音を上げましたが、当時の日本人の彼女が「がんばって、私が道を教えてあげるから」と言って車で先導してくれたので、その後ろから私がトラックでついて行くという方法でなんとか道を覚えることができました。こうした彼女からの協力もあり、最終的には A 社の物流センターの名物ドライバーと言われるほどの存在になることができました。また
このトラック運転手としての経験からいろいろな問屋さんを知る機会に恵まれ、いまベトナム料理店を経営する上で大いに役立っています。

I was still bullied in high school, but my grades
were excellent. Around this time, I started helping
my mother at her Vietnamese restaurant after
school, and my Japanese improved rapidly while I
interacted with Japanese customers who talked tome in a friendly manner.

Becoming a well-known truck driver
After graduating from high school, I wanted
to become more familiar with the geographyof Japan, so I got a job as a truck driver at atransportation company that delivers products
from a distribution center. Again, I had a hardtime at first because I did not know how to readroad maps or how to reach the destinations. I wasable to select the products that I needed to deliverfrom hundreds of products and load them onto
my truck without fail. Unfortunately, I did notknow the routes very well, so it was difficult forme to determine in what order I should deliver the
products to be the most efficient.
Something which seems simple enough today
was extremely difficult for me, as car navigationとはいえ、そのベトナム料理店の経営も決して

systems were not available back then. I almost

順調なことばかりではありませんでした。仕事上

gave up soon after I started, but my Japaneseのパートナーである母との間で、経営方針についgirlfriend encouraged and helped me by drivingての意見が合わず、しばしば口論になりました。

in front of me leading me to the delivery

10 代の頃から日本で暮らし、日本や日本人のこ

destinations. While I followed her in my truck, Iとをよく理解している私とは異なり、母はいまだ

managed to learn the delivery routes. Thanks toにベトナム人としての感覚が抜け切らず、ベトナム

her help, I finally became a well-known driver at

流のやり方を通そうとすることがあり、私と母と

the distribution center. This experience has helped
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の間でつい言い争いになってしまうのです。そのme a lot in running my Vietnamese restaurant,

ため私は母の店を辞め、再びトラック運転手のbecause I got to know various wholesalers while

仕事に就いたり、自分がオーナーの別のベトナム

working as a track driver.

料理店を始めたりして、何度か母から距離を置Managing the Vietnamese restaurant did not

いたこともありました。

always go smoothly. I used to argue with my
在日ベトナム人たちへのボランティア活動
私と母との間で紆余曲折があった私たち一家のベトナム料理店ですが、その一方で、店は在日ベトナム人たちの働き口にもなっていきました。
日本で暮らすベトナム人たちの就職斡旋は、A 社の物流センターで商品の配送をしていた頃からやっていました。当時日本になじめず犯罪に手を染めてしまうベトナム難民定住者もいたため、A 社の物流センターで得た人脈を活かして仕事を紹介するようになったのが始まりです。
この就職の斡旋をきっかけに、行政の手続きや日本滞在許可の更新、起業へのアドバイスなど、
日本で暮らすベトナム人たちへの生活のサポート

mother, who is my business partner, over the
management policy for the restaurant. I have lived
in Japan since I was a teenager, so I have a goodunderstanding of Japan and the Japanese people,
but my mother, who still has a strong sense ofbeing Vietnamese, tried to follow the Vietnameseway, which often caused arguments between us.
As a result, I quit my mother’s restaurant andmoved away several times by taking work as atruck driver again or starting my own Vietnamese
restaurant.

Undertaking volunteer work for
Vietnamese people in Japan
Despite many twists and turns in the

Quan さんとオールドサ
イゴンで働く従業員

relationship between my mother and I, our family-

Mr. Quan and his employee

run Vietnamese restaurant has also served as aworkplace for Vietnamese people living in Japan.
I had been helping them find work throughout
my career as a truck driver. At that time, someVietnamese settlers struggled to familiarize
themselves with Japan and ended up committing
crimes. Given this, I started introducing them tojobs by making use of the personal connections
that I made through my work.
This job-search assistance led me to engage
in volunteer work aimed at supporting the livesof Vietnamese people living in Japan by helping
them with tasks such as completing administrative
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埼玉県にある「南和（ナムホア）寺」
The Vietnamese Buddhist temple “Chua Nam Hoa” located in
Saitama

をボランティアで行うようになりました。行政司

businesses. If they had used professional

法書士や税理士などのプロへ依頼すれば数十万

solicitors or tax accountants, it would have cost

円かかることも、私に頼めば無料なのでしょっち

them hundreds of thousands of yen, but I did theゅうお声がかかります。近年は技能実習生や日本

work for free so they often asked for my help.

語留学生として大勢のベトナム人たちが日本へや

Nowadays, many Vietnamese people come toって来ているので、彼らから相談の電話も多くあJapan as technical interns or Japanese language

ります（なぜかみんな私の携帯電話の番号を知っているのです）。
しかし嘆かわしいことに、そんな在日ベトナム
人たちの中には警察のお世話になってしまう人もいます。留学生たちは日本へやって来る際に借金をしており、来日してからもその返済のためにアルバイトに勤しむのですが、そうなると学業に身が入らず、学校の出席日数が足りなくなります。
その結果、滞在許可の更新が許されず、不法滞在をするようになるのです。またそもそも勉強をするためではなく、日本で稼ぎたいという目的で来ている留学生もいます。最近では、警察から「逮捕されたベトナム人の通訳をしてほしい」という依頼を受けることもあり、残念に思っています。
ナムホア

ベトナム仏教寺院「南和寺」と日本への想い

students, so I receive many consultation callsfrom them (for some reason, everyone knows mymobile phone number).
Sadly, however, some Vietnamese people
in Japan end up in the custody of the police.
Many international students are in debt when
they come to Japan, so they work part-time to
pay off their debts after their arrival here, whichmakes it difficult for them to concentrate on theirstudies and leads to poor attendance. As a result,
Vietnamese people who are not allowed to renew
their residence permits stay illegally. In fact, somestudents come to Japan to earn money rather thanto study. I find it disappointing that, in recent
years, I have sometimes been asked by the police
to act as an interpreter for arrested Vietnamese
people.

そういった逮捕歴のあるベトナム人には、埼玉ナムホアで建立した南 和寺へ顔を出すように勧めることもThe Vietnamese Buddhist temple Chuaあります。この寺はもともと尼である母方の叔母

Nam Hoa

が、「日本にベトナム様式のお寺を作りたい」と

I sometimes advise Vietnamese people who

言い出したことがきっかけで建立したお寺です。

have arrest records to visit the Nam Hoa Temple
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in Saitama Prefecture. This temple was originallyちにも協力してもらいました。ベトナム人は仏教

built to fulfill the wishes of my maternal aunt,に対する信仰心が厚く毎週お寺へ参拝する習慣

who is a nun, to “build a Vietnamese-styleがあるので、お寺が在日ベトナム人たちの交流のtemple in Japan.” We were able to proceed with

場にもなっています。私はお寺で年中行事がある

its construction thanks to the cooperation of

際には、私のお店で作る精進料理を無償で提供

Vietnamese people who had been living in Japan

しています。

for a long time. The Vietnamese have a strong

ナムホア

この南和寺の近くには私たち一家のお墓もあります。２年前に亡くなった弟はそこに埋葬しました。いずれ新型コロナウイルス感染症が終息した
らベトナムで眠る父の遺骨も日本に持ち帰り、一緒に埋葬したいと思っています。もちろん私もこのお墓へ埋葬してもらうつもりです。私の子どもたちは日本にいますので、その方がお墓の世話がし易いでしょうし、家族みんなでひとつのお墓に入れば寂しくありません。
日本の地へ降り立って早くも三十数年となりま
すが、本当にいろいろなことがありました。ここまでやってこられたのは自らの努力にもよります
が、私を受け入れてくれた日本という国と、そこに住む人々の理解や親切があったからだと思います。これからももうひとつの故郷（ふるさと）でbelief in Buddhism and they tend to visit a temple
every week, so the temple also serves as a placeof interaction for them. Whenever an annual eventis held at the temple, I offer free vegetarian meals
prepared at my restaurant.
My family grave is located near the Nam Hoa
Temple. My brother, who died two years ago, wasalso buried there. When the COVID-19 pandemic
is over, I would like to bring the remains of myfather, who was buried in Vietnam, to Japan andput him to rest. Of course, I will also be buried
there someday. Since my children live in Japan, it
will be easier for them to look after a grave here
and we will never feel lonely if all of our family
members are buried together.
It has been over thirty years since I first arrived

あるこの国で、ベトナムと日本の懸け橋となるよin Japan. Since then, a lot of things have happened

うな活動をして行きたいと思っています。

to me. Although I put forth a lot of effort, I would
not have been able to go through all these years
without the understanding and kindness of Japan
as well as the people who have accepted me here.
Going forward, I would like to continue to work
to bridge the gap between Vietnam and Japan, mysecond home country.

南和寺からすぐ近くに位置する弟の墓
The family grave of Mr. Quan located by Chua Nam Hoa

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「学習まんが」 Learning MANGA

なんみんと日本 7 REFUGEES and JAPAN難民の人たちが日本で自立するために、地域コミュニティがどのように受け入れているか、１つの例をマンガで紹介します
Here is one cartoon example for local community receiving of refugees whom have being
to achieve independence in Japan.

模範難民定住者

チン・ハウ・ルン

Ms. Cing Hau Lun / Exemplary Settled Refugee

ミャンマー出身。来日後 2013 年 4 月から半年間、難民事業本部（RHQ）が実施する定住支援プログラムを受講し日本語を学ぶ。その後 RHQ 支援センターのあっ旋で都内のユニクロ店舗にて職業適応訓練を経て就職。入社後も日本語の勉強を続け、日本語能力試験 N1 に合格。現在は、同店舗にて店長代行を務めると同時に、日本の難民への理解や支援を促すための啓発活動にも積極的に協力している。様々な活動が評価され、2018 年 11 月には、当財団主催の「日本定住
難民とのつどい」にて表彰されている。
Born in Myanmar. After arriving in Japan, she attended a resettlement
assistance program run by the Refugee Assistance Headquarters (RHQ) for
six months from April 2013. During this time, she learned Japanese. After
undergoing vocational adaptation training, she was employed at a UNIQLO
store in Tokyo through an introduction from the RHQ Support Center. She
continued to study Japanese after joining the company and eventually passed
Japanese-Language Proficiency Test N1. While serving as an acting store
manager for UNIQLO, she also actively cooperates in refugee awarenessraising activities to promote greater understanding and support for refugees
in Japan. In recognition of her various contributions, she received an award at
the Festival for Settled Refugees in Japan held by FWEAP in November 2018.

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Organization Chart of FWEAP

理事長
評議員会 Board of Councilors

理事会

President

財団本部事務局 Foundationʼs Secretariat
事 務 局 長
総 務 部
経 理 部
業 務 部

理 事 長
President

理事

Director〃

事〃

Kansai Branch

長 Director-General
Head Oﬃce

RHQ支援センター RHQ Support Center

Oﬃcers of FWEAP（2021年2月1日現在/as of February 1st, 2021）〈東京大学名誉教授、元日本経済学会会長〉
藤 原 正 寛Masahiro FUJIWARA 〈Prof. Emeritus of the Univ. of Tokyo, President of Japanese Economic Association〉

佐

藤

禎

一

〈東京国立博物館名誉館長、元ユネスコ代表部大使〉〈Honorary Exec. Director of Tokyo National Museum, Former Ambassador of Permanent Delegate of Japan to UNESCO〉

須

田

美矢子

〈キヤノングローバル戦略研究所特別顧問、元日本銀行政策委員会審議委員〉〈Special Advisor of the Canon Inst. for Global Studies, Former member of the Policy Board of the BOJ〉

藤

﨑

一

郎

〈中曽根平和研究所理事長、日米協会会長、元米国大使〉〈President of Nakasone Peace Inst., President of America-Japan Society, Former Ambassador of Japan to the U. S.〉

堀

井

巌

〈参議院議員、元外務大臣政務官〉〈Member of the House of Councilors, Former Parliamentary Vice-Min. for Foreign Aﬀairs〉

Teiichi SATO

奥

田

齊

〈元野村総合研究所取締役副社長〉〈Former Exec. Vice President of Nomura Research Inst.〉

松

井

義

雄

〈大崎電気工業相談役、元野村證券常務取締役〉〈Corporate Advisor of Osaki Electric, Former Managing Director of Nomura Securities〉

大

塚

義

治

〈日本赤十字社社長、元厚生労働省事務次官〉〈President of the Japanese Red Cross Society, Former Admin. Vice-Min. of Health, Labour and Welfare〉

奥

野

信

亮

〈衆議院議員、元総務副大臣〉〈Member of the House of Rep., Former State Secretary for Internal Aﬀairs and Communication〉

北

岡

伸

一

〈国際協力機構理事長、東京大学名誉教授〉〈President of Japan International Cooperation Agency, Prof. Emeritus of the Univ. of Tokyo〉

山

東

昭

子

〈参議院議長、元科学技術庁長官〉〈President of the House of Councilors, Former Director-General of the Science and Technology Agency〉

嶋

津

昭

〈地方自治研究機構会長、元総務省事務次官〉〈Chairman of the Research Inst. for Local Gov., Former Admin. Vice-Min. of Internal Aﬀairs and Communication〉

杉

山

淳

二

〈SBJ銀行取締役、元新生銀行取締役代表執行役会長〉〈Director of Shinhan Bank Japan, Former Chairperson of Shinsei Bank〉

鈴

木

俊

一

〈衆議院議員、前自由民主党総務会長、元東京オリンピック・パラリンピック競技大会担当大臣〉〈Member of the House of Rep., Former Chairman of LDP General Aﬀairs Committee, Former Min. for the Tokyo Olympic and Paralympic Games〉

中

西

宏

明

〈日本経済団体連合会会長、日立製作所取締役会長兼執行役〉〈Chairman of KEIDANREN, Japan Business Federation, Exec. Chairman & Exec. Oﬃcer of Hitachi〉

Hitoshi OKUDA

Yoshio MATSUI

評 議 員
Councilor〃

Yoshiharu OTSUKA
Shinsuke OKUNO〃

Shinichi KITAOKA〃

Akiko SANTO〃

Akira SHIMAZU〃

Junji SUGIYAMA〃

Shunichi SUZUKI

問Advisor〃Refugee Assistance
Headquarters (RHQ)〈立正大学学長、東京大学名誉教授〉
吉 川洋
Hiroshi YOSHIKAWA 〈President of Rissho Univ., Prof. Emeritus of the Univ. of Tokyo〉

Auditor顧

Auditors

企画調整課 Planning and Coordination Division
業 務 課 Operation Division
援 護 課 Assistance Division

Operation Department

Iwao HORII

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部

事

本部事務所

Accounting Department

Ichiro FUJISAKI〃本

General Aﬀairs Department

Miyako SUDA〃

難民事業本部

Secretary -General

関西支部

役 員 等名 簿監

Board of Directors

Hiroaki NAKANISHI〈前アジア福祉教育財団理事長、元衆議院議長〉
綿 貫 民 輔Tamisuke WATANUKI 〈Former FWEAP President, Former Speaker of the House of Rep.〉《敬称略/Honoriﬁc titles are omitted》以上、理事６名、監事２名、評議員７名、顧問２名 / 6 Directors, 2 Auditors, 7 Councilors, 2 Advisors65

編集担当より From the Editor❖『別冊愛』本号の内容はいかがでしたか？

方々との対談、寄稿文、自己紹介文などを、英第1章にて紹介したサヘル・ローズさんの強語訳を付して紹介しております。
（「学習まんい言葉は、テレビなどを通じて知る女優としが」が加わったのは2017年発行の2号目からてのサヘルさんからは想像できない真摯なも

です）

のでした。
第2章では難民相談員の仕事に就くことを決❖ 両広報誌に共通するタイトルの「愛」です

めたときの佐藤千恵子さんの「（難民の方々とが、これは当財団の初代理事長である松田竹は）日本に暮らす仲間として付き合う」という千代（理事長在任：1969年12月〜1976年5覚悟があり、第3章では「名物ドライバー」と月）が、ベトナム戦争当時、同国各地で発生し呼ばれるまでになったフィン・ロン・クワンさた戦災孤児の救済のため、サイゴン郊外に戦んの努力、そして、第4章ではユニクロのお店

災孤児の宿舎兼職業訓練施設を建設することで店長代行職を務めるまでになったチン・ハ

を計画し、1973年8月からは同施設建設のた

ウ・ルンさんの弛み無い向上心をご紹介しまめの募金活動を開始し、日本全国の銀行のカした。いずれも私たちとして見習うべきこと

ウンターに募金箱を設置させて頂きました。

が多くあるように思われます。

こうした募金箱には松田本人が筆を揮った「あなたの愛の手を」の一文が印刷されていま❖ ところで、当財団の広報誌には、『 愛』と姉した。

妹誌の『別冊愛』の二種類があります。

1976年5月に当財団の第二代理事長に就任『愛』は、当財団が「アジア孤児福祉財団」と呼し た 奥 野 誠 亮（ 理 事 長 在 任：1 9 7 6 年 5 月 〜

ばれていた1976年に創刊されており、今年2008年4月）により、財団広報誌を発行する（2021年）2月発行の版で第44号となります。

こととなると、奥野はその広報誌のタイトル

一 方 、日 本 語 と そ の 英 語 訳 併 記 の『 別 冊 愛 』

として前任者である松田に因んで最初は『あは、2016年に創刊されており、本号で６号目

なたの愛の手を』とし、1986年2月発行の第9となります。
『 愛』が毎年の当財団の事業実績

号からは『愛』に変更し、今日に至っておりまを紹介しているのに対し、『 別冊愛』は福祉やす。どうぞこれからも『愛』及び『別冊愛』を宜

教育、そして難民問題等の分野で活躍される

しくお願い申し上げます。
（了）「愛」 別冊 Supplementary volume of “Ai”
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