2. The Navy29) Interview with Lieutenant Commander Terasaki Takaharu (寺崎隆治), Captain of the gunboat Seta
In 1937, Lieutenant Commander Terasaki Takaharu was an instructor at the Naval War
College. On August 13, as the second Shanghai-Incident broke out, LieutenantCommander Terasaki asked Deputy Head Rear Admiral Sato Ichiro (佐藤市郎) [theoldest brother of former prime ministers Kishi Nobusuke and Sato Eisaku] to allow him
to go China and in October he was appointed captain of the gunboat Seta.

In the Shanghai area, the Third Fleet, headed by Vice Admiral Hasegawa Kiyoshi (長谷川清), was deployed and the Seta belonged to the 11th Squadron under the Third Fleet.

– Before reaching Nanjing, were you heavily attacked from both shores?

On December 9, we were attacked by the Chinese army by the Guishan (亀山) Battery,which was situated downstream near Zhenjiang (鎮江). There was fierce shelling and
the Seta was hit by three shells, but without taking casualties. So we withdrew and thenbombed the battery by airplane.
Next, after the battle of Guishan Battery subsided, we were attacked from Doutianmiyao(都天廟), which was in front of us--fierce shooting and bombardment began, fire frommachine guns and rifles from both sides continued until we reached Nanjing. In
addition, a number of underwater mines lay in the water, which made navigation very
difficult.

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In the evening of 11th, as we broke into Zhenjiang, the Seta had no fuel and we quickly
pulled up to the enemy's wharf to take on coal and continued up river.

– Where was Rear Admiral Kondo Eijiro (近藤英次郎), Commander of the 11th
Squadron, at the time?
Commander Kondo was on board the Ataka, 10 miles to the rear in the Fleet, andcommanding the Fleet.

On the 12th, we underwent a fierce attack from an artillery battery at Mt. Wulong (烏龍)in Nanjing, as well from Liu Zikou (劉子口), from the opposite shore, and we
encountered a choke point right before Mt. Wulong. The choke point was made by 12
sunken ships that were tied to each other with wires. At 11 p.m., the demolition team,
guarded by the Seta, dismantled the wires, and, at 3 a.m. on the 13th, opened thewaterway.
At 10 a.m. on the 13th, the Seta initially navigated the waterway opened by thedemolition. After confirming passage, 100 meters behind the Hodu, the Seta advanced to
Nanjing. The Hodu's captain, Lieutenant Commander Ueda Mitsuhiro (上田光浩), wasfive grades above me, so the Hodu went ahead of us.
The Yangtze River separated into two streams before Nanjing and we took the left
stream. Heavy attacks by Chinese soldiers from both shores continued. Around thattime, we found a number of Chinese soldiers floating on junks and rafts, and their
numbers gradually increased over time. The Seta had 4 sets of 25 mm machine guns andwe shot at them as they moved.
– Were they Chinese soldiers who had fled from Nanjing?
Yes. It was the 13th when the Army entered Nanjing, so I assumed that Chinese soldiers
tried to escape down the Yangtze River by junks and rafts.
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– Didn't they think that Japanese troops would come upstream?

At first, they tried to escape to Pukou (浦口), on the opposite bank, but Japanese troops
soon arrived at Pukou, so they had no choice but to either flee up or down the Yangtze.
As we neared Nanjing, we found Chinese soldiers using not only junks and rafts, but also
clinging to doors; the Yangtze River became full of Chinese soldiers. They never
expected the Japanese fleet from downstream.
– How many people were on board a junk?
Around 100 people, I think.
– How many Chinese soldiers tried to escape by junk or raft?
Several thousands. The Seta shot at them as went by, and the ships in convoy shot at themas well. There were approximately 20 junks and rafts in total. We just happened toencounter them.

In the Jiangnan Grand Canal near
Danyang, civilians fled in junks inorder to avoid gunfire.
(December 2, 1937)– When did you arrive at Nanjing?

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It was at 3:15 p.m. on the 13th. As we reached Zhongxing (中興) Wharf, we saw theJapanese Army waving hinomaru flags. We were ordered by the Commander to makecontact with the Army when we arrived at Nanjing. Therefore, we sent a message to the
Hodu that the Seta was going to go Zhongxing Wharf for that purpose, but the Hodu,
which was in the vanguard, quickly moved into Zhongxing Wharf before us. So as aresult, the Seta became the lead and headed for the next wharf, Xiaguan (下関).

As we reached Xiaguan Wharf, we saw a number of soldiers waving at us. I used a pair ofbinoculars and saw that they were Chinese soldiers. The Chinese soldiers did not expectthat the Japanese fleet would come so quickly and thought that we were a Chinese fleet.
We shot at them with 25 mm machine guns as we moved into the wharf.
– How many Chinese soldiers were there?
We saw around 500 and there were many in the rear. We were shooting as we reached thewharf, so the Chinese soldiers in the rear escaped upstream.
The Seta entered Nanjing in the vanguard, so I sent a telegram: “We broke throughNanjing 1515”. Using code would take about half an hour, so I sent it un-coded. Rightaway, the telegram was received by Commander Kondo of the Third Fleet, the Naval
General Staff, and the Ministry of the Navy.
– After the 14th, what did you do?
The Panay Incident (a mistaken attack by a Japanese plane on a US gunboat), occurred
before the Nanjing Attack. The Hodu was tasked for rescue and the Seta remained in
Nanjing.
– According to the New York Times, the Seta left Nanjing, headed for Shanghai, withforeign reporters on board, on the 15th.
No, this did not occur. I never saw any foreign reporters. We didn't leave Nanjing until
the entrance ceremony on the 17th.
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– According to the New York Times, when foreign reporters, who remained in Nanjing,boarded the Seta, they saw Japanese soldiers execute 300 prisoners on the quay.
We stayed at Xiaguan, but I never saw anything like that.
– What was the situation in Nanjing?

There was a senior officer on the Seta, Lieutenant Sekiguchi Kozo (関口鑛造), who wasa relative, and I sent him to inspect Nanjing on the 14th. He reported to me that Nanjing
was calm, that there were no special incidents. Later on, there was nothing special toreport.
– When did you enter Nanjing?
The Seta remained at Xiaguan and, under orders, we captured an ammonium sulfate
factory, which was on the shore opposite from us.

Once, Captain Okamura Motoharu (岡村基晴), a combat aircraft veteran, who was in
the same graduating class as me, came to Nanjing, and we lit candles and gave a toast at
Xiaguan.
The day I entered Nanjing for the first time was the 17th, the day of the entrance
ceremony, I think. I attended the ceremony which was held in the square of the
Nationalist Party Government, and together with General Matsui and Vice Admiral
Hasegawa Kiyoshi, we made a banzai-sansho, or three cheers. Next to me, Commander
Doi Shinji (土井申二) was there and Mr. Doi gave me a Chinese poem which he wrote.

Guided by the Army, I visited Mt. Zijing and China Gate but no corpses were foundthere. I saw bodies only at the shore of the Yangtze, that is, around Xiaguan and Pukou.
– How many bodies did you see on the shores of the Yangtze?
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I think 4,000 to 5,000.
– What bodies did you see?
As Chinese troops tried to escape the Yangtze, the Japanese Navy stopped them and as
they tried to escape to Pukou, the Japanese Army stopped them. The bodies were result
from these battles.
– Was this the basis of a “massacre”?
They started to call it a “massacre” at the War Trial after the War. At the time there was awar, therefore, we shot Chinese soldiers in the ensuing chaos and some citizens andresidents who were struggling to escape or fight against us might have been included. It
was a consequence of war. I believe they called those casualties of war, resulting undersuch circumstances, “massacre” victims. China is a propaganda expert--they used theirstyle of exaggeration, hakuhatsu sanzen-jo.
To my knowledge, it was totally impossible to massacre 300,000 in the small confines ofNanjing Castle.

Lieutenant General Tani Hisao (谷寿夫), Commander of the 6th Division, was executedin Nanjing. Lieutenant General Tani was a man with international thinking and familiar
with international law--such a person would not have ordered a massacre.
After the War Trial, China stopped making claims. Nevertheless, some Japanese visited
China, 40 years since the end of the War, for the opportunity to blame ourselves for
igniting the Nanjing Incident. That's why China has started to make these claims.
– How long did you stay in Nanjing?
I stayed Nanjing until July 1938. I often met with Army personnel. I was given a
consolation gift from Lieutenant General Prince Asaka-no-miya, the Commander of the
Shanghai Expeditionary Army.
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In the New Year, 1938, I was in Zhenjiang, where Major General Uchiyama Eitaro (内山英太郎), Commander of a Artillery Brigade, was deployed. We exchanged visits, Major
General Uchiyama visited the Seta several times.
In those days, Captain Onishi Hajime was a staff officer in the Shanghai Expeditionary
Army and served as the liaison officer between the Army and the Navy. Later, he wasappointed to Chief of the Special Service Agency, so Mr. Onishi knew the most about
matters concerning Nanjing.
Mr. Onishi was a student at the Military Academy at the time I was a student at Naval
Academy, and we had done an orienteering exercise together. He has a strong sense ofjustice and is an honest man. He never pays lip service and I am sure he is a highly
reliable person. Many things have been said about the Nanjing massacre, I really want toreveal the truth.
Mr. Terasaki was born in November 1900. When he attacked Nanjing, he was 37 years
old. After the Yangtze Operation, he joined the Canton-Hainan Island Operation as a staff
officer in the Fifth Fleet. In the Greater East Asian War, he participated in the Malayan
Campaign as a staff officer in the Southern Expeditionary Fleet, then served as staff
officer in the Second Aviation Squadron, then as staff officer in the Combined Fleet. At
the end of the War, he was a captain.
I interviewed Mr. Terasaki in February 1986--he was 85 years old. Even at his age he wasvery busy, studying war history, meetings with Suikokai, a Japanese naval officers’organization, and meeting with a service memorial society honoring the Tokkotai, thespecial attack units. He spared time out of his busy day for me. During the interview, hespoke of dates and years without any trouble. I was surprised by his clear memory, and attimes, when I encountered unfamiliar Chinese places, he wrote the names down for me.

30) Interview with Commander Doi Shinji (土井申二), Captain of the
Gunboat Hira
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As the Marco Polo Bridge Incident broke out in 1937, the Third Fleet headed for
Shanghai in order to protect Japanese residents there and to secure Japanese interests. The
11th Squadron, which had guard duty in the Yangtze River, started withdrawing Japanese
residents who lived all across China, including Chongqing (重慶), Yichang (宜昌),Shashi (沙市), and Hankou (漢口). The gunboat Hira boarded Japanese people from
Chongqing and returned to Shanghai, that was its last departure from Chongqing. Mr. Doi
Shinji was the Captain of the Hira. The Hira left Chongqing on August 1 and arrived in
Shanghai on August 8. A couple of days later, 52 Japanese who fled Hankou wereunable to reach Shanghai and made it as far as Nanjing.
On August 13, five days after the Hira arrived at Shanghai, the Japanese Naval Landing
Force clashed with the Chinese Army in Shanghai, which turned into a full-scale war.
In the middle of November, as Japanese Troops captured most of Shanghai, the 11th
Squadron, including the Hira, started to open the waterway of the Huangpu (黄埔) River,then headed for the Yangtze River.
On December 1, the 11th Squadron, commanded by Rear Admiral, Kondo Eijirou,
consisted of 24 gunboats and mine sweepers, moved up the Yangtze for Nanjing.
China already gave notice of the closure of the Yangtze to foreign countries. They sunkships to obstruct passage in key areas, and laid underwater mines to close the Yangtze
River completely. In addition, they had several fortresses along the shores of the Yangtze,
including Jiangyin (江陰), Zehenjiang (鎮江) and Mt. Wulong. Under such conditions,the 11th Squadron advanced up the Yangtze for Nanjing.
I interviewed Mr. Doi Shinji in January 1986, he was over 89 years old. He had no healthproblem in particular, and spent his life creating his favorite kanshi, classical Chinese
poetry. Also, he has no problem getting around and attended meetings of the Suikokai.
In Mr. Doi’s room, there were photos of him during his years in the navy, as a naval
8ensign, and a photo of the Emperor and Empress. Furthermore, his bookshelves were fullof books and documents relating to the Navy. He spends all of his time surrounded bythese things, so he is aware of these times, but that was, after all, a long time ago; some of
his recollections were not entirely clear.
Mr. Doi was born in 1896 and graduated from the 45th class of the Naval Academy. Whilehe served as a Lieutenant Junior Grade, and then as a Lieutenant, he was assigned togarrison duty in China, and in January 1937, he was appointed captain of the gunboat
Hira.
He worked to protect Japanese residents mainly in Changsha (長沙), Yichang, andChongqing, and then he joined the Nanjing Attack. In February 1938, he returned toTokyo as a temporary on-active-duty instructor, but in 1939, he went China again toparticipate in the Southern China Operation as captain of the gunboat Saga.
“Biographies of China-Related Persons in the Imperial Japanese Navy” – this was abooklet composed by Mr. Okino Matao (沖野亦男), a China expert in the Navy whoserved as an assistant officer to the resident military officer in China. Mr. Doi wasincluded in the list of China-related Navy personnel who loved China, and he wasdescribed as follows; “Mr. Doi served 5 years in Chang Jiang and his soul was kindled by
the beautiful scenery of South and Central China that resulted in him becoming anaesthetic poet.”
At the end of the War, Mr. Doi had the rank of captain.
– You moved up the Yangtze heading for Nanjing?
Yes. Around November 10, we started work to open the Huangpu River, and then went up
the Yangtze, it was December 1, I think. On the way, we landed at Jiangyin. Then, we
advanced to Zhenjiang, where our Hira remained for several days, in order to cover theriver crossing operation by the Amagaya Brigade. In the meantime, the Hodu and the
Seta continued up the River.
– When the Seta attacked Nanjing on the 13th, was your Hira still in Zhenjiang?

9I don't remember the date well, but when the Seta went to Nanjing we stayed in
Zhenjiang. The Hira arrived in Nanjing a day or two before the entrance ceremony.
– Did you arrive at Xiaguan?
No, a little bit downstream of Xiaguan, at a place called Zhongxing Wharf. It might havebeen Xiaguan but we didn't call it Xiaguan; we called it Zhongxing Wharf. I think the
Seta arrived up-stream of Xiaguan.
– What was the situation at Zhongxing Wharf?
The area was called Pagoda Bridge Town, which was used as the Chinese army's militarymaterials base. There were a lot of military materials and railroad siding was installed forcarrying such materials.
At the Paul Temple I saw 6,000 to 7,000 refugees.
– At Pagoda Bridge Town, only the Navy was there?
No, the Army already arrived, though not so many.
– Did you see any corpses in Pagoda Bridge Town?
The battle had started when the Army went in the town, so naturally I saw some war
casualties. And they said they shot thieves who were trying to steal--there were 10 or sobodies.
– Were you at the entrance ceremony on the 17th?
I attended the ceremony.
– What was the situation in Nanjing then?
The inside of Nanjing was almost clean.
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– It is said there were bodies around Xiaguan.
When I was headed for the entrance ceremony, we went from Xiaguan to Yi Jiang Gate,
where I saw 5 to 6 bodies near the gate.
At the entrance ceremony, I suggested to Commander Kondo Eijiro that Pagoda Bridge
Town must be organized and secured. He gave me permission to do so, therefore I
returned to Zhongxing Warf on the 26th and started to organize Pagoda Bridge Town.
– Until when did you stay in Pagoda Bridge Town?
I stayed until the 28th, when I departed to rescue Minesweeper No. 1 which sank off theshores of Mt. Wulong.
Before I left Pagoda Bridge Town, we worked to rebuild the town by clearing the streets
and reconstructing the bridges. A man called Chen Hansen (陳漢森) of the Red
Swastika Society was head of the refugee camp, so I enlisted him to bury bodies.
Also, we tried to return the refugees to their homes. While we were there, the town
seemed well-settled, and I ordered Chen Hansen to change the name Pagoda Bridge
Town to Heiwagai, or Peace Town.
– What role did Chen Hansen play in the Red Swastika Society?
He was the president, or the chairman. He called himself the director of the Nanjing
Branch of the World Red Swastika Society.
I rescued injured sailors from Minesweeper No. 1 and went back to Shanghai. Then I
went to Third Fleet Headquarters to tell the Commander that I could not allow Pagoda
Bridge Town to be neglected, from a humanitarian point of view. Commander Hasegawa
Kiyoshi was pleased to hear what we had done in Pagoda Bridge Town and provided us
with medicines and food for the people. I quickly headed for Pagoda Bridge Town andon New Year’s Day, 1938, we arrived at Zhongxing Wharf again. That time, the citizens
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as well as Chen Hansen welcomed us with firecrackers. The next day, Chen Hansen
visited me and gave me a letter of gratitude.
After Peace Town became calm, the Hira was ordered to guard Wuhu and left Zhongxing
Wharf. Chen Hansen gave me another letter of gratitude and we kept correspondencewith each other until the end of the War. I admire his gratitude.
Mr. Doi kept personal letters, thank-you letters, receipts, and so on that Chen Hansen sent
him. In addition, a large calligraphy, the size of one tatami mat, sent by Chen Hansen, wasmounted and displayed in his room.

Copy of a letter of gratitude to Commander Doi,with Mr. Chen Hansen’s
signature and stamp.
“As the flames of war spread over Eastern
Asia and engulf the Continent, warships
are going back and forth on the Yangtze
River, and now, heading a fleet, Your
Excellency arrived in Nanjing. Under suchcircumstances, a number of refugees from
Nanjing and Shanghai gathered here. In
order to help these refugees, a branch of
the International Red Swastika Society
was established at Baokuo (保国寺)
Temple, and I, humbly, was appointed tothe head of the branch. When you
anchored your battleship at Jiangbinfu(江浜府), Your Excellency understood the12people’s need for food and gave us bags of flour and cooking oil that saved a number ofpeople's lives. Also, you ordered maintenance work for roads and construction ofbridges and took command yourself. Later you named the town Peace (平和) and madea poem for the occasion. The meaning of the poem is warm like incoming spring
sunlight. Soon, you will go back to Japan to report and before that you gave us a photoof yourself. We displayed the photo on a wall and always admire your greatness and arepraying for the friendship between neighboring countries, Japan and China. The sea
between the two countries, Japan and China, is not so wide that fishes and birds always
come and go freely, but unfortunately I am not able to cross the sea to visit you, I can do
nothing but give a sigh upon seeing the ocean. Consequently, I write you this humble
letter for our recollection.
“To Commander Doi, the former Captain of the Gunboat Hira
Chen Hanssen,
the head of the Nanjing Branch of the International Red Swastika Society”– It is said there was massacre in Nanjing.
I don't believe there was a massacre. It was battlefield, therefore, corpses were present,
but I didn't see the bodies of a massacre. As shown in the letter of gratitude, which I got
from the Chinese, the Chinese people tend to express things in an exaggerated way.
Before I published his statement I sent him the manuscript for his confirmation.
Surprisingly, his family told me he died a month after I met with him. When I met him, helooked very fine; I am truly remorseful.

31) Interview with Lieutenant Shigemura Minoru (重村実), Member of
the Japanese Navy Press Bureau, Shanghai Military OfficeSince the summer of 1936, Lieutenant Shigemura Minoru served as Gunnery Lieutenant
on the destroyer Fumiduki, then as the Squad Leader on the Light Cruiser Tenryu for
garrison duty in Shanghai and the Qingdao area. Then he was transferred to Japan to serve13

as Squad Leader of the Heavy Cruiser Mikuma, but on July 8, 1937, the day after the
Marco Polo Bridge Incident, he was moved to the Military Office of the Navy inShanghai. The title of the official appointment was: Staff of the Imperial Japanese Navy
General Staff Office and Staff of the Office of the Commander of the Third Fleet in
Shanghai.
Lieutenant Shigemura arrived at his office in Shanghai, and was given a room on thesecond floor of the Military Office. In the city of Shanghai, a number of wild rumors werein the air and people were panic-stricken. In an area that was usually guarded by aChinese peace keeping force, soldiers of the Chinese regular army inconspicuously
appeared. Soon thereafter, surrounding the International Settlement, sandbagged trenches
were being conspicuously built.
Soon, Japanese people withdrew from the upper Yangtze and Japanese residents fromseveral areas gathered and landed at Shanghai. In the Military Office, there were many
new faces, of military officers who withdrew from various areas in China. In addition, Dr.
Shinobu Junpei (信夫淳平), an international law expert, was invited from Japan by Fleet
Headquarters and stayed for several days. It was a time of turmoil.
In the afternoon of August 9, Fleet Headquarters got a call from adjutant Chin at Guard
Headquarters in Songhu (松滬), “Something happened.” Assistant officer Okino (沖野),adjutant Chin, and Lieutenant Shigemura rushed to the place and found the body of
Lieutenant Junior Grade Oyama Isao (大山勇夫), machine-gunned to death, on a roadthat was on the Extension of the International Settlement. This was the so-called Oyama
Incident.
That night, when Lieutenant Shigemura was to lead a group of Naval Landing Forcesailors in order to examine and collect the bodies, he invited Japanese and foreign
reporters and correspondents to accompany them. Since then, he has been involved inpublic relations. In those times, even within the Ministry of the Navy, a press bureau did
not exist--it was called the military affairs publicity section.
Since August 13, which was the day after funerals for Lieutenant Junior Grade Oyama
14and Seaman Apprentice Saito Yozo (斉藤与蔵) were held, Shanghai was turning into abattlefield. On the 14th, Chinese attacks increased, and when Lieutenant Shigemura went
back to his Military Office he found it that it was burned down from the shooting. The
Military Office was moved into the International Settlement and Lieutenant Shigemura
lived in the Pierce Apartments in the International Settlement.
– When did you go to Nanjing?

On December 17, from Yangshupu (楊樹浦), by airplane. I think I was with Rear
Admiral Honda Tadao (本田忠雄), a resident officer.

– Did you go to Nanjing for the entrance ceremony?
Yes, I stood in line and received General Matsui Iwane and Vice Admiral Hasegawa.
– How long did you stay in Nanjing?
I left there that day by airplane, so I didn't attend the memorial service, which was held
the next day.
– What was the situation in Nanjing?
As far as I could see, there was nothing out of the ordinary. From the airfield, which was
located outside of the Castle, I went to the ceremony by car and I didn't see any corpses
on the way. Inside of Nanjing, maybe it was already cleaned, it looked to be in order.
– Do you have any special recollection of Nanjing?
It was the outside Nanjing, near the airfield, where I found several Chinese entering
private homes to steal. It looked like they stole anything, whatever they found--one ofthem carried a stool for a toilet. One of my colleagues jokingly said that it might be toilet
stool of Soong May-ling, Chiang Kai-shek’s wife.
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– It is said that Japanese soldiers had performed acts of cruelty.
I doubt it. I stayed only a day but I didn't see anything.
– Did you hear any rumors?
I heard a story that, in Nanjing, an amazing number of uniforms were found which wereabandoned by Chinese soldiers. This meant that the remnants of the Chinese armysneaked into the civilian population. Therefore, Japanese soldiers caught plain-clothedsoldiers and killed them; that's what I heard later. To identify a suspect, whether he was asoldier or a civilian, the Japanese soldiers used Chinese people to point them out. At
times, wives of men who were pointed out as a soldier desperately denied such a charge.
Also, I heard from a reporter that a Chinese who was hired by his newspaper company
was taken away by the Japanese military police so the reporter went to the military policeand narrowly saved the Chinese in time. I am afraid that on occasion there were arrests
made without substantial evidence.
While I was in Shanghai I saw an incident: a Japanese Army soldier caught a Chinese andI asked him what he was going to do to him. The soldier said, “If this mas is suspicious, I
will kill him.” I asked him how he could tell whether the Chinese was suspicious or not.
He said he knew based on the man's look.
On the other hand; during the first Shanghai-Incident, I was serving as platoon leader inthe landing force, and I caught a Chinese man for scrutiny and told him to raise his hands.
It was winter and the Chinese man wore heavy Chinese clothes, and as soon as helowered his hands, a pistol fell out from his clothes. There were many incidents like thatfrom the first Shanghai-Incident, so Japanese soldiers must have experienced manydifficulties in the second Shanghai-Incident.
– Did you receive any questions about Nanjing from reporters?
I do not recall being asked questions.
– Some of the reporters said that there were atrocities committed by the Japanese soldiers,
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such as Imai, from the Asahi Shimbun.

“Reporter Imai” refers to Mr. Imai Seigo (今井正剛), I think. He is a fine writer, and I
knew him. But I do not remember hearing such a story from him. Mr. Imai came to
Shanghai from Tokyo and I met him often in Shanghai. He was one of the best writers at
the Asahi.
There was an episode: The newspaper usually made a special article for the New Yearand for the New Year of 1947 or 1948, he was selected as one of the writers to report thenews from the north-end of Japan and the south-end of Japan. In those days, the southern
most end of Japan was Yakushima and he wrote about Yakushima. Yakushima is awonderful place where you can catch a lot of fish. In the end, he quit the Asahi company
to start a business in Yakushima, which ended unsuccessfully. Then he worked in Hyogo
Prefecture as director of public affairs under Mayor Sakamoto Masaru. During the
Hyogo period he wrote a lot about Hyogo Prefecture--they were wonderful writings. Mr.
Imai and I were friendly after the War, too, but I have never heard about a massacre fromhim.
– Who else did you know at the Asahi?

Other than Mr. Imai, Mr. Nakamura Shogo (中村正吾), who was firm, handsome man. I
met Mr. Imai and Mr. Nakamura at the entrance ceremony in Nanjing. Mr. Nakamura
stayed in Shanghai and when the 10th Army was going to land at Hangzhou Bay, he went
there and followed the 10th Army to Nanjing.

The Asahi branch office was headed by Mr. Shirakawa Ikai (白川威海), and staff
members included Mr. Moriyama Takashi (森山喬) and Mr. Saito Torao (斉藤寅郎).
Among the Shanghai branch offices of newspaper companies, the Asahi boasted thelargest number of staff and cars – they had a solid system.

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One day, Hayashi Kenichi (林謙一), a reporter from the Mainichi Newspaper, suggested
that we view a Chinese anti-Japan movie. I guessed that Mr. Hayashi was asked by theintelligence sector to watch the movie – Mr. Hayashi had a wide range of acquaintancesand someone in the intelligence sector who knew Mr. Hayashi thought that it would bebetter to ask him rather than members of the Japanese Embassy to see the movie. Thus,
the two of us went to a movie theater over the Garden Bridge. In those times, the theaters
over the Garden Bridge frequently played such movies.
The inside of the theater was surrounded by an eerie atmosphere. Shortly, on the screen,
the character for “KILL” (殺) appeared, which became bigger and bigger. A man,supposedly Japanese, but we Japanese did not see him as Japanese, cut off the head of a
Chinese with one blow. That was the kind of movie it was, definitely not a documentary.
In those days, these kinds of movies were often made to incite anti-Japan feelings andafter the War, similar pictures were often used as so-called evidence of cruel acts
committed by the Japanese army.
In the Yomiuri Shimbun, they called their Shanghai branch the “Daitoa branch” or “Great
Eastern Asia branch”, but, as a matter of fact, the branch actually was managed by Mr.
Tanaka Yukitosh (田中幸利) alone and later, after the flames of battle extended to
Shanghai, two more staff, Mr. Hara Shiro (原四郎) and Mr. Furuta Tokujiro (古田徳二郎) were additionally dispatched.

The Domei Tsushin was headed by Mr. Matsumoto Shigeharu (松本重治) and his staff
included Mr. Sakata Jiro (坂田二郎), Mr. Horiguchi Mizunori (堀口瑞典), Mr. Tonoki
Keiichi (殿木圭一), and Mr. Maeda Yuji (前田雄二). Mr. Sakata came from the Navy’s
reporters' club called Kuroshiokai, the Black Current Society. After the War, I foundsomething in Mr. Sakata's book, which stated that there was massacre in Nanjing. He had
a strong sense of justice and righteous indignation, if he had known about it then he must18

have mentioned it – strangely enough I have never heard about this from him.
Mr. Matsumoto wrote things from those days in his book, Shanghai Sojourn, which
nicely expressed the facts and the sentiment as a person involved in journalism.
– In Shanghai Sojourn, it said that General Matsui gave a sharp reprimand at the
memorial service.
Yes. That time I was back to Shanghai already but I heard later that General Matsui gavean admonition at the memorial service.
– From whom did you hear this?
I don't remember well, but everyone knew this. I thought the troops had done somethingso bad--that's why General Matsui warned his troops. General Matsui said repeatedly that
we should treat the Chinese with affection. The troops had done what he hated most.
– What do you mean by “so bad”?
I heard about the plain-clothed soldiers, so I thought the troops killed them. I thought “sobad” meant several hundred of them.
– It is said that there were hundreds and thousands.
After the War, people started to say “hundreds and thousands”, but if that were true, it
was not just “so bad” but far from it. The thinking in those times was quite different fromthe thinking that existed after the War. It was true, as reported after the War, that the Navy
shot Chinese soldiers with machine-guns at Xiaguan, but it was battle and there were notmany casualties.
– Have you ever met General Matsui?
Once, in Shanghai. He was not a person to make boasts.

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– Does this mean that General Matsui’s intensions were not conveyed to his subordinates?
We cannot say simply that the troops committed excesses. If you were not in battle, you
cannot understand individual thinking under battlefield conditions. I will give you one
example: it was in the first Shanghai-Incident, a petty officer in my platoon, who was avery brave man, was on sentinel duty after a battle, and one of his subordinates got
injured. I ordered him to watch the operation on his subordinate. In the operating room,
the petty officer, such a brave man on the battlefield, was pale and trembling.
In those days, the Navy had many volunteers who were trained well, organized in small
groups, orders from the top were conveyed smoothly – they were professionals. But in
the Army they were not professionals. The Army consisted mostly of draftees, thenumber of soldiers was too unwieldy, spread out over wide areas, orders from the top
were not conveyed well, and showed their natural behaviors, as is. The Army men weretypical Japanese; Japanese they were.
– Have you heard about Army staff officer Cho Isamu at the time?
I have never met him, but heard a rumor. The rumor was that he was like Ban
Dan’emon, a boasting samurai, in a kodan story.
– Did foreign reporters ask something about Nanjing?
When the Lieutenant Junior Grade Oyama Incident happened, I brought along foreign
reporters to the scene, and they understood it was not of our doing. Since then, it was
decided that a position dedicated to foreign reporters was needed and Mr. Isobe Taro (磯部太郎), of the 31st class of the Naval Engineering College, was appointed to theposition. Mr. Isobe and I lived at the Pierce Apartments and had dinner together every
night unless we had special business. While we had dinner we chatted about things but I
had never heard from him that he got questions from foreign reporters about Nanjing. If
he had, he would have told me during our daily discussions.
– At the time, the accidental shooting incident of British Ambassador
Knatchbull-Hugessen and the accidental sinking of the Panay occurred. How did you
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handle these matters?
Such important matters were handled by Military Resident Officer Honda and the Third
Fleet.
– How long did you stay in Shanghai?
I stayed there until March 1938, when I was transferred to Japan.
As I asked Mr. Shigemura for an interview, he declined my request at first, saying that hesaw nothing particular, saying that he was not of any use. In those times, information on
Nanjing flowed from Shanghai to Japan and to the rest of the world. To the Naval Press
Bureau in Shanghai, where Mr. Shigemura worked, the information on Nanjing musthave flowed to him. What kind of information on Nanjing did the Navy received? The
information might have been different from the information that the Army received. Inorder to check this, I asked Mr. Shigemura for another interview. He accepted my third
request. It was the end of December 1985.
After the War, Mr. Shigemura was actively engaged in the broadcast industry, including
Nippon Hoso, Yamaguchi Hoso, and Radio Kanto.

32) Interview with Lieutenant Commander Genda Minoru (源田実),
Staff Officer of the 2nd Combined Air Group
Lieutenant Commander Genda Minoru, a staff officer of the 2nd Combined Air Group was
involved in the Pearl Harbor Attack in 1941, then was a staff officer of the 1st Air Fleet,and in 1945 he was Commander of the 343rd Sky (Matsuyama) Naval Air Group,
shooting down incoming B-29 in his fighter plane Shidenkai – he was well-known for
this.
After the War, he served as the Chief of Staff of the Air Self-Defense Force, and then from1962 to 1986 he served as a member of the House of Councilors.
I interviewed Mr. Genda in his office at the Diet Members' Hall.
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On December 3, 1937, the 2nd Combined Air Group advanced its front base to
Changzhou, in concert with the Army which started to attack Nanjing. The Groupbombed Nanjing. The 2nd Combined Air Group attacked Nanjing everyday and on
December 12, the 13th Air Group, under the 2nd Combined Air Group, accidentally struck
the US gunboat Panay in the Yangtze.
– When the 2nd Combined Air Group moved its front base to Changzhou, did you move toChangzhou too?

No, I stayed in the Kunda (公大) base and visited Changzhou only when necessary. Air
Rear Admiral Mitsunami Teizo (三並貞三), the Commander, remained at Kunda baseas well.
– Upstream of Nanjing, the Panay Incident occurred.
The air corps mistook the Panay as a Chinese warship and accidentally attacked it--it
was not intentional.
We never expected a US gunboat there. Nanjing was war zone and the US had many
options to avoid it, like going further upstream. I felt that they stayed in Nanjing in orderto provoke us, somehow.

The person who hit the Panay was Lieutenant Murata Shigeharu (村田重治),
nicknamed Butsu. He was the leader of the thunderbolt corps, in the Pearl Harbor
Attack. He was a great man.
– Did the 2nd Combined Air Group know that the Panay was in the Yangtze?
My guess is that they knew.
– It was a big diplomatic issue, wasn't it?
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Yes, it surely was. Due to that the Commander Mitsunami was admonished.

– For the investigation of the incident, Lieutenant Colonel Nishi Yoshiaki (西義章) fromthe Army went to Nanjing. From the Navy, who went there?
No one in particular.
– On the next day, Nanjing fell. What did the Flying Corp do?
The Flying Corps was still in battle, so remained in Changzhou and after a week, we
moved our base to an airfield in Nanjing. I also operated airplanes to go to Nanjing.
– Did you attend the entrance ceremony?
No, I didn't. I went to Nanjing after the ceremony was completed.
– What was the situation in Nanjing City?
We set the Headquarters near the airfield and I went to and fro every day, between theairfield and Headquarters, so I knew nothing about the city. Also, after we arrived at
Nanjing, we started bombing Nanchang and Hankou, so we were very busy during those
operations.
–The Shanghai Expeditionary Army and Navy gunboats came to Nanjing. Did you meetthose people?
The Flying Corps was involved only in limited matters, which were related aviation, so I
never met anyone who was not related with aviation.
– In those days, a “Nanjing massacre” was said to have occurred.
I knew nothing about this. As far as the Navy was concerned, such an act was against
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Bushido, the samurai spirit, and this would never have happen.
– Did you hear any rumors?
Not at all.
– In the Army someone said it happened.
I don't know about Army. Generally speaking, in those days the Japanese people vividly
remembered the earlier Nanjing-Incident, that is; in 1927, the Japanese Consulate in
Nanjing was attacked and plundered. And Japan fought against China so we had hostile
feelings toward Chinese. I myself called Chinese Chankoro then, it was such a time.
However, in the Navy, I warned my soldiers that we should not kill prisoners or anyone
who could not resist, and if such things happened, then they would be punished heavily.
At the Pearl Harbor attack, someone said we should attack the town as well, but I
definitely said NO.
And after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the 1st Air Fleet attacked the British fleet in the
Indian Ocean and at the eastern shore of Ceylon, sank the aircraft carrier Hermes. At thattime we found an enemy soldier floating near the aircraft carrier Akagi and picked him
up. In the course of battle, it was not easy to save a person at sea. It took time but,anyway, we saved him. Some of the sailors were furious with anger and tried to hit him.
I stopped him and inspected the enemy myself. I found that he was a Canadian sailor. He
troubled me at first by refusing to eat, but later he ate curry rice. Like that, some soldiers
did not control themselves, but in the Navy, the treatment of prisoners was clearly
defined.
– How long did you stay in Nanjing?
The 2nd Combined Air Group set its base in Nanjing for a while but I was appointed to
Chief of the Yokosuka Flying Corps and went back to Japan in January. I operated planes
to go back to Japan from Nanjing. So my stay in Nanjing was 3 weeks or so.
– What was the situation around the base in Nanjing?
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I think there was no severe damage in the suburbs around the airfield. It looked ordinary
and I met the New Year, 1938, in Nanjing quietly.

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