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Special Series:
Dialogues on Eastern Wisdom (2)Ji Xianlin
Jiang Zhongxin
Daisaku Ikeda
THE LANGUAGE OF SHAKYAMUNI BUDDHA

Sanskrit and the Early Sutras
Ikeda: On this occasion, I would like for us to focus our discussion on
the topic of Buddhism, and particularly on Shakyamuni Buddha and theLotus Sutra.
Professor Ji, you have spent a great deal of time in Germany studying
at the University of Göttingen, the world’s foremost center for linguistics and Buddhist studies. You studied under the late Professor Ernst
Waldschmidt (1897–1985), the leading authority on Sanskrit and Buddhist studies.
Ji: Yes, I did. My studies overlapped with World War II, and during
part of that period, Dr. Waldschmidt was drafted and spent time in theGerman army. As a result, the retired scholar, Professor Emil Sieg
(1866–1951), the world’s preeminent scholar on the Tocharian language, taught me Tocharian and Sanskrit.
Ikeda: Generations of German scholars have created a profound depthof knowledge in the fields of Indian and Asian studies. I sense the same
exacting and robust intellectual inquiry of this great German scholarly
tradition in your work as well. As the world’s leading authority on the“language of Buddhism,” would you kindly share with us your insights
into the language used by Shakyamuni Buddha? My associates and I
share a great interest in the language used by Shakyamuni and his disciples as they sought to spread the truth of Buddhism.
Ji: By all means. I will gladly share with you the extent of my knowledge on the subject.
Ikeda: Our discussion will no doubt be somewhat challenging for the
average reader, given that you are a distinguished scholar and we will3

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)be engaging in a rigorous intellectual discussion, so please try to makeyour comments as accessible as possible.
In preparation for our three-way discussion, I have read about yourmany noteworthy accomplishments. You have devoted a great deal of
study to the language used in the early Buddhist scriptures. One of yourareas of expertise, for example, is the well-known Mahåvastu or “Great
Story.” We know that this legendary record includes extremely ancient
linguistic elements, but newer ones as well from the fourth and fifth
centuries, CE. This text provides us with valuable materials for the
study of linguistic change in Buddhist sacred texts over a lengthy periodof time.
Ji: Yes, that is quite right. In my studies of the Mahåvastu, I focused myattention on the aorist form (a form of past tense) and, through thisdevice, was able to distinguish a more recent as well as an archaic strata
in the text.
Ikeda: I am well aware of your noteworthy research. The aorist form
was not commonly used in standard classical Sanskrit texts; therefore,
we can surmise that the early portions of the Mahåvastu, in which itappears frequently, were composed in a period which was not deeply
influenced by classical Sanskrit. And therefore, the more recent portionsof the texts demonstrate the formative influence that classical Sanskrit
had on the Buddhist story’s development.
Ji: Yes, that is correct.
Jiang: From 1960 to 1965, I was fortunate to have the opportunity to
study classical Sanskrit, Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit (a language which
includes both classical Sanskrit and more vernacular linguistic elements), and the Pali language under Professor Ji. After five years ofintensive study and many years of research, I have nothing but profoundadmiration and respect for Professor Ji and his research on Buddhist
Hybrid Sanskrit. When Professor Ji refers to the aorist form in the Buddhist sutras, he makes the following point:“Generally speaking, in archaic text, the aorist form is quantitatively
overwhelming; whereas in more recent text, other forms of the pasttense are used instead. For example, the perfect tense appears mostoften, and also not infrequently, the past participle.”
Based on research of the various Sanskrit manuscripts of the Lotus
Sutra, I can state with complete confidence that Professor Ji’s conclu-

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)5sions on this language form extend beyond the Mahåvastu and are
entirely applicable to the Lotus Sutra. Therefore, I believe that Professor Ji’s findings are correct and that they will withstand the test of time
as subsequent research findings on newly discovered texts corroborate
his conclusions.

The Vinaya (Rules of Monastic Discipline): On the meaning of“one’s own language”
Ikeda: Previously, you made a very interesting point about the Lotus
Sutra, and I would like to again touch on this topic in this discussion.
Classical Sanskrit was certainly an influence in the formation of manyof the world’s great literary works. Panini, the highly esteemed grammarian who lived in the fourth and fifth centuries BCE, and other scholars analyzed the language which possesses intricate grammatical rules,
and it is clear that it can rightly be called a “treasure of humanity.”
Historically speaking, however, classical Sanskrit in the times of
Shakyamuni was legitimized by kings and the nobility and therefore
occupied a place close to the center of political power. Professor Ji
emphasized this issue in his work “The Language Problems of Primeval
Buddhism,” and I am reminded of his description of an account in the
Buddhist literature dealing with Yamelu and Tekula, two brothers ofBrahman origins who were disciples of the Buddha.
Ji: This is an important tale from the Vinaya texts.
Ikeda: If I may, the story goes something like this. Two brothers of theBrahman class, Yamelu and Tekula, were disciples of the Buddha. They
were well-spoken and had beautiful voices. On one occasion, they cameto Shakyamuni and said, “O Lord, these days the monks are quite
diverse in name, lineage, birth, and clan. They defile the teachings ofthe Buddha by speaking of them in one’s own languages. We would liketo translate the Buddha’s teachings into the Vedic language” (Vinayapi†aka, Cullavagga, volume 5). In response to their proposal, it is writtenthat Shakyamuni said, “My teachings must not be put into Vedic. He
who does so commits an egregious sin. I hereby permit those who wish
to study my teachings to learn of them in their own language.”
Opinions may differ regarding the strict interpretation of the “Vedic
language” referred to here, but for our purposes, I believe that it is accurate to consider it the orthodox Sanskrit in use at that time.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Ji: Yes, I believe so, too. Sanskrit was considered the legitimate language and was used in the Brahman religion. Various interpretations
exist of Shakyamuni’s reference to “one’s own language.” For example,
the British Buddhist scholar, T. W. Rhys Davids (1843–1922), and theGerman Asian Studies specialist, Hermann Oldenberg (1854–1920),
interpreted this to mean the dialect of the monks themselves. The
accomplished German scholar, Wilhelm Geiger (1856–1943), took it tomean “the language of Shakyamuni himself.”

To Communicate the Buddha’s Teachings in “One’s Own
Language”
Ikeda: Therefore, the phrase “one’s own language” means either the
language of Shakyamuni himself or that used by the monks in their
daily lives.
Ji: Yes. Actually, few scholars supported Geiger’s theory that the Buddha meant to have his teachings conveyed only in his own dialect. However, Geiger had a very powerful supporter for his theory.
Ikeda: And who was that?
Ji: Support came from the work of Buddhaghosa. As with Geiger’s theory, Buddhaghosa’s interpretation was that Shakyamuni referred to his
own dialect.
Ikeda: Buddhaghosa was a prolific and highly esteemed fifth century
South Asian Buddhist scholar who wrote commentaries on the three
Pali divisions of the Buddhist canon. His work is a significant source
supporting the interpretation of the phrase to mean “in the Buddha’s
own words.” However, since he had previously rejected theories differing from his own, it is possible that he let his own bias affect his conclusions.
Ji: Yes, it is just as you say. Buddhaghosa was a renowned authority on
the Pali scriptures. Therefore, one can readily imagine that the scholar
leaned toward preserving the legitimacy of these sacred texts. We cannot help but doubt somewhat the objectivity of Buddhaghosa’s interpretations.
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)7the Buddha meant to say that his teachings should be preached “in themonks’ own dialects,” isn’t it?
Jiang: This passage has been interpreted in various ways by scholars in
the past, each stubbornly insisting on his own view and unsuccessfully
attempting to persuade his colleagues. However, Professor Ji was thefirst to use evidence, such as rules within several Chinese Buddhist
scriptures on monastic discipline, to prove that the only possible interpretation of the Buddha’s words is that the monks should use their own
dialects in their study and teaching of the scriptures. His analysis provided a decisively airtight case, thus resolving this important historicalissue in the interpretation of the Buddhist texts.
Ji: Yes. And an abundance of similar examples can be seen in the Chinese scriptures. I dealt with these in my paper and will give a few examples here. The fourth volume of the Pinimujing or BinimokyØ, theChinese version of the Vinaya-måt®kå-ßåstra, includes the following
account:
Once there were two Brahman monks named Wujuehe or Usaka andSanmotuo or Sanmada. They came to see the Buddha and said to theWorld-Honored One, “Among the Buddha’s disciples are those of various families who come from diverse countries, regions, and states—
each speaking his own language. Since language is an imperfect medium, the monks violate the truth of the Buddha’s teachings.” The twomonks implored Sakyamuni saying, “Please, World-Honored One, let
us arrange and render the sutras according to the Chandas, Veda’s metric rules. If speech and sound are revised, meaning will be clarified.” To
this, Shakyamuni replied, “In Buddhism, beautiful language does notdetermine accuracy of meaning. My only wish is that the essential
meaning of my teachings be conveyed correctly. My teachings should
be taught according to the dialect and pronunciation of the language
understood by the people.”
Ikeda: Yes, this is as it should be. Though truth may be one, if we insist
that it can only be expressed in one particular way, we fall into an attitude of self-righteousness. The concerns of people are diverse, and themost appropriate path to salvation is one that addresses the specificneeds of the individual. Religion exists for the sake of human happiness.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Chinese Versions Reveal the Buddha’s True Intent
Ji: As you say, the purpose of religion is to address the concerns of thepeople. I am in complete agreement. As further illustration of the Buddha’s position on language, the Fourfold Vinaya, volume 52, includes
the following story.
There was once a disciple of Brahman origins named Yongmeng orYËmyØ. He sought out the Buddha with this same language concern.
When he approached the Buddha, he bowed his head to the ground,then withdrew to the side where he sat down. Then he spoke:“O Lord! Your disciples are of various ranks and come from diverse
origins—every one with a different family name. They violate theteachings of the Buddha. Please, O World-Honored One, grant me mydesire to convey the Buddhist teachings correctly through the language
favored by society, (that is, Sanskrit).” To this the Buddha replied, “Youfool! Doing so would inflict grave injury. That would be to obscure theBuddhist sutras by rendering them in the language of the non-Buddhists.” Continuing, the Buddha admonished, “Recite and study thesutras in the language of the masses, so that they may understand.”
Similarly, the Fivefold Vinaya, volume 26, also includes a story of
two Brahman brothers. The brothers were learning to recite the Chandas-veda (a scholarly work dealing with metric rules ancillary to thefour main Vedas, one of which is the Rig Veda). Subsequently, they
became monks following the correct Law. When they heard the recitation of the monks, they were critical and disapproving. “Though theseeminent monks have been in the order for some time, they are unable todistinguish the various grammatical elements of the texts, such as masculine and feminine words, singular and plural words, present, past, andfuture words, long and short syllables, and stressed and unstressed syllables. It is unthinkable that they would dare to recite the sutras.”Hearing this, the monks felt shame, and two of them came to the
Buddha and related this matter in detail. The Buddha responded, “Eventhough the sutras may be recited in the dialect of the land, the essenceof the message will not be lost or corrupted. You must not convey the
Buddha’s teachings in the language of the non-Buddhists. Those who
violate this will be committers of an offense.”
Ikeda: This is an extremely interesting tale. These two Brahman brothers show that they are fixated on the formal aspects of grammaticalrules. In response, the Buddha emphasizes that it is the meaning itself,J/Orient/02 03.1.17 1:25 PM ページ 9

DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)9as it conveys the compassion of the Buddha, that is ultimately important.
Jiang: This story exhibits several Sanskrit grammatical terms. Amongthem are three kinds of “words,” the respective meanings of which are
different though expressed as “words.”
Ikeda: I believe you are referring to the grammatical forms of “masculine and feminine words, singular and plural words, and present, past,and future words,” which appear in the Fivefold Vinaya from which
Professor Ji quoted a passage previously.
Jiang: Yes, that is correct. In modern Chinese, the first “words” refer togender or terms appropriate for men and for women. The second“words” refer to numbers, indicating singular or plural. The third“words” describe tense corresponding to past, present, and future.
Sanskrit grammar is so intricate that it requires long-term disciplinary
learning to master. It was said in ancient India that one must devote 12
years to become fully proficient in the language. Even in the India of
those times, a mere handful of people from the upper classes were fluent in the language. The fact that Shakyamuni Buddha adopted a language policy which forbade the use of Sanskrit and permitted eachmonk to teach in his own language enabled the religion he had founded
to reach the masses, and empowered the monks to address the people’s
needs more effectively. The result was that Buddhism was propagatedwidely among great numbers of people.

Speaking in the Language of the People
Ikeda: Buddhism is a religion of the people. It is the means for people
to overcome the suffering of the cycle of birth and death. As Professor
Jiang mentioned, Shakyamuni always sought to shower the people withhis compassion. In this sense, Professor Ji’s interpretation of the text as
meaning “the language the monks use in their daily lives” makes perfect sense.
Ji: The anecdotes about the monks are undoubtedly different permutations of the same story. A side-by-side comparison shows that the Buddha’s reference to “in one’s own language” definitely did not mean “inthe Buddha’s own language.”

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Ikeda: It is clear that Shakyamuni was sensitive to the language andmeans of expression of the people. Monks of Brahman origins criticized
the idea of allowing people to teach Buddhism in their own languages,
based on their strict adherence to a grammatical and phonologicalpurism. But we see that the Buddha scolds monks with this attitude.
Ji: In addition, stories such as these hint at a serious problem that faced
early Buddhism. And as the texts suggest, Shakyamuni Buddha was resolutely opposed to the use of Sanskrit, the language of the Brahmans.
Ikeda: Yes, he even declares that rendering the sutras into Vedic would
constitutes ezuo or akusa, meaning a minor offense.
Ji: The word ezuo or akusa is dukka†a in the original language of the
text. The offense referred to is relatively minor, unlike those that would
result in expulsion from the Buddhist order. It is an act that is forgiven
after the offender engages in reflection upon his deeds and assumes anattitude of penitence. Nevertheless, there is no doubt that indeed, thiswas an offense, albeit a lesser one. To make the use of Sanskrit a minor
offense clearly illustrates an attitude of resistance against the Brahman
religion which occupied a dominant position in the society of thosetimes.
Jiang: I believe that both of your comments are quite right, and I am incomplete agreement. Shakyamuni Buddha opposed the monks’ use of
Sanskrit and permitted them instead to use their own dialects to convey
the Buddha’s teachings. For this reason, the Buddhist scriptures whichhave come down to us are numerous and not limited to one definitive
manuscript which is recognized as legitimate. Among religions, Buddhism is the only faith that lacks one authoritative sacred text. Indeed, it
is precisely this characteristic of the Buddhist scriptures which enables
such fruitful exploration of major issues in Buddhist history through thelanguage of the Buddhist texts. For example, based on the linguistic
aspects of a Buddhist sacred text, we are able to surmise the geographical and chronological details of the text’s origins.
Professor Ji was the first scholar to link philological research in Buddhist texts to Buddhist history, leading the way to a significant methodological breakthrough. He deserves wide recognition for his pioneering
accomplishments.
Ikeda: This brings to mind the famous passage from the Dhamma-

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)11pada, (393) which goes, “Not by matted locks, not by clan, not by birth,does one become a brahman. In whom is truth and righteousness, he ispure and he is a brahman.”1 Similarly, the Suttanipåta (136) states, “Notby birth does one become an outcaste, not by birth does one become abrahman. By (one’s) action one becomes an outcaste, by (one’s) action
one becomes a brahman.”2 Considering social conditions at the time,these words were an unprecedented declaration of freedom and humanrights.

The Position of Shakyamuni Buddha in a Rigid Class Society
Ji: Those are my thoughts exactly. The Buddhism brought forth by
Shakyamuni Buddha must have been revolutionary for those times.
Frankly, there would have been clear benefits to using the officially recognized language of the elite.
Ikeda: Using the language of the rulers and aristocracy would surely,
from the very start, bestow an aura of respectability and authority withwhich to command a dominant position in the minds of the people.
Shakyamuni Buddha, however, did not adopt this approach.
Ji: Yes, despite the great advantages that using Sanskrit might havebrought, the Buddha refused to succumb to the temptation. Furthermore, in the scriptural accounts, he scolded the two monks, telling themthat they were fools for insisting on the use of Sanskrit. They were
probably of Brahman upbringing and undoubtedly still held very conservative views supporting the status quo.
Jiang: To put this topic in context, the Brahman and Hindu religions
advocated a hereditary caste system which categorized people into different ranks in a hierarchical system of social statuses. The Brahman
caste was the highest in this social ranking system.
In Brahmanism and Hinduism, according to the rules dictated by theLaws of Manu, Brahman status conferred three special privileges. The
first was the privilege of teaching the Vedas. The second was the privilege of holding and presiding in religious ceremonies for others. The
third was the right to receive offerings. The first two privileges relate tothe occupation of the Brahmans, and the third was a special Brahman
right. In other words, the right to receive offerings was a manner ofcompensation for engaging in the first two occupational roles of theBrahmans.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)In regards to the language issues, the acts of teaching the Vedas andofficiating in religious ceremonies both required the use of Sanskrit.
Therefore, in actual fact, the Brahmans held a monopoly on the right touse Sanskrit, and revered the language as the most holy and supreme of
all languages. For these reasons, those of Brahman upbringing who
therefore had studied Sanskrit, naturally looked down upon the ordinary
persons who spoke in one or another dialect or used common speech.
Ikeda: An air of contempt is clear in the two monks’ statement, “O
Lord, these days the monks are quite diverse in name, lineage, birth,and clan. They defile the teachings of the Buddha by speaking of themin one’s own languages.” By viewing the use of indigenous languages
and dialects as tainting and polluting the teachings of the Buddha, andby desiring to recast the teachings in the Vedic language, the brothers
revealed their elitist attitudes, which supported the conventional ideas ofBrahmanism.
The statement indicating their view that the Buddha’s teachings
would be defiled, is a clear expression of this prejudice. Shakyamuni
Buddha, who professed his desire to befriend all those in need, deemedthat the philosophy of Buddhism should be taught in the dialects of thepeople. This is compelling evidence of the diversity and compassion
embodied within Buddhist philosophy and its aim to point the way to
freedom and liberation for all people, without distinction.
Ji: I wholeheartedly agree.
Ikeda: And, upon further examination, the statement which refers to“differences in name, lineage, birth, and clan” reveals the great socialand racial diversity which must have existed among Shakyamuni’s disciples. Considering the many attributes such as race, culture, social
class, and economic status that produce conflict and confusion in modern society, it is truly significant that Shakyamuni Buddha’s teachings
were able to overcome the boundaries of clan and lineage and spreadamong the people.
In tandem with the development of trade and commerce, the Indiansociety of those times was beginning to allow its people to experience asmall degree of freedom. However, there can be no doubt that differences in lineage, social status, and clan were difficult barriers to overcome. Nevertheless, these seemingly insurmountable obstacles wererendered insignificant as people gathered to learn at the feet of Shakyamuni Buddha.

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Ji: Yes, this is so. The distressed and downtrodden shed concerns overtheir various circumstantial and regional disparities and were drawn by
the bright hope they discovered in the teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha.

The Raison d’Être of the Buddhist Order
Ikeda: In the time of Shakyamuni Buddha, there existed a caste of people called the chandåla (caˆ∂åla) who were the target of merciless discrimination. They were forced, as a group, to live their lives isolated
from the mainstream society. In the Buddhist scriptures, however, areexamples of members of this caste entering the Buddhist order andcompleting their studies after several years (Mahåvaµsa 5, 61). In thecontext of the society of that period, the Buddhist order must haveseemed like an oasis for the troubled and oppressed.
Jiang: Not only did the Brahman religion strictly forbid those of humble origins from becoming followers, it also firmly admonished thatsuch people were to be barred from participating in religious ceremonies. Shakyamuni, however, took a completely different approach by
opposing the caste system and advocating the equality of all sentient
beings. He also permitted anyone, no matter what their caste or gender,
to become a follower or enter the priesthood.
According to the dictates of the Brahman religion, the chandåla wereclassified as a separate lower class, designated as untouchable. In Indiansociety, which followed Brahmanism, when the chandåla walked down
the street, they were required to announce their presence by clapping
two sticks together. The intent was to warn those of higher castes of
their approach. This allowed those of higher castes to avoid the shadowof the lowly chandåla. Coming into contact, with even the shadow of
the chandåla, was seen as defiling for those of higher castes.
Despite the prevailing social attitudes toward the “lowly castes,”
Buddhism welcomed those shunned by society and permitted them tobecome followers and, as with other followers, to also attain the way.
This is a clear indication that the Buddhism founded by Shakyamuni
Buddha was undeniably a revolutionary movement that provided themasses with something to believe in and posed a challenge to the legitimacy and status of Brahmanism in Indian society.
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)men viewed this social and linguistic diversity with distaste and felt thatit defiled the Buddha’s teachings.
Ikeda: We can surmise that this Brahman view, based on disapproval of
the use of native dialects to convey the Buddha’s teachings to the masses, was an indication of the reality that Buddhist teachings were spreading more widely among the masses than among the elite classes.
Ji: Yes, that is exactly right.

The Language of Communication in Eastern India
Ikeda: Now then, please let me ask another question. It is certain that
Shakyamuni opposed using Sanskrit as the common language to convey
the faith. However, he realized that communication would be very difficult if everyone used his or her own language or dialect exclusively. But
then, again, the people did not understand Shakyamuni’s language. So,
then, what language came to be used as the medium of communication
between different groups?
Shakyamuni Buddha conducted his activities in the regions of
Kapilavastu, Råjagriha (Råjag®ha), and Shråvast¥ (Íråvast¥), which werelocated in the very influential kingdoms of Kosala and Magadha. In that
period, Kosala and Magadha were flourishing commercial centers andwe can assume that Magadhi or a similar dialect was the language ofcommon usage. It is said that the inscriptions of King Ashoka includes
elements of several different languages. Among them is one thatexhibits the linguistic characteristics of ancient Magadhi and is said tohave been used in the area around the Ganges River where Shakyamuni
Buddha was most active.
These clues lead to the conclusion that perhaps the language of the
Buddha was Magadhi or a tongue closely akin to it. Though perhaps
people used the language of their respective clans among themselves,
they may have used Magadhi, the language with the widest currency, toconduct their economic transactions. As a result, in time, Magadhi naturally spread throughout the area.
What are your thoughts on this matter, Professor Ji?
Ji: I believe that it is just as you say. Ashokan inscriptions in many
areas are rendered in Magadhi, meaning the language of Magadha, anda variant called Ardhamagadhi (semi-Magadhi). Shakyamuni mostprobably spoke Magadhi in regions in which it was the native dialect

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and used Ardhamagadhi in other regions. These were the languages incommon use in the regions of eastern India where Shakyamuni wasactive, so they were naturally the languages of choice. This in no way
contradicts Shakyamuni’s admonition that a single standard language
not be forced on the people, but rather, that multiple languages be recognized.
In any case, Shakyamuni benevolently accepted the use of native languages for conveying his teachings. He also permitted dialects and colloquial speech. This enabled the teachings of the Buddha to be easily
understood and accepted by the masses. However, with the passage oftime, the Sanskritization of the language occurred. The aorist form
appearing in the previously mentioned Mahåvastu text is an example
representing this transformation. Subsequently, many sutras came to berecast in Sanskrit.
THE ORIGINS OF THE LOTUS SUTRA

The Language of the Lotus Sutra
Ikeda: Next, I would like to inquire about the origins of the Lotus
Sutra.
Ji: Many treatises have dealt with the development of the Sanskrit textsof the Lotus Sutra.
Ikeda: Yes, I know. And in your work, you have pointed out that manuscripts of the Lotus Sutra contain many vernacular Prakrit elements thatwere in use prior to the process of Sanskritization. You also mention
major differences among these Prakrit elements.
Ji: Yes. Let me touch briefly on the major issues. Many manuscripts of
the Lotus Sutra are extant. The older the manuscript, the more plentiful
the Prakrit elements it contains. This is true not simply of certain portions, but of entire texts.
Ikeda: You make a very key point.
Ji: The manuscripts that have survived to the present consist of two
major types. One is the Nepalese manuscripts and the other is the Central Asian manuscripts, which are also referred to as the Western Region
manuscripts represented by the Kashgar manuscript.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Ikeda: Another group, the Gilgit manuscripts are also cited. They aresaid to be from the fifth and sixth centuries. In November 1998, as partof our efforts to publish manuscripts of the Lotus Sutra, we publishedthe Sanskrit Lotus Sutra Manuscript from the National Archives of
Nepal (No. 4-21), Facsimile Edition. Regarding the Central Asian texts,
the Petrovsky manuscript, which shares the major portion of the Kashgar manuscript, was displayed in “The Lotus Sutra and Its World” exhibition held in Tokyo in the same month.
Ji: Of the two types of texts, the Nepalese manuscripts are more recent
and the Sanskritization of the texts is more advanced compared to thatin the Central Asian manuscripts.
Ikeda: Please tell us specifically why you think that is the case.
Ji: To be brief, I will limit my discussion to my conclusion and the reasons behind it, rather than give examples which would require much
more time.
Ikeda: Since our readers may be hard-pressed to fully grasp the moreacademic points of your argument, that will be fine.
Ji: Let me start with my conclusion. The Lotus Sutra is the most significant and oldest of the Mahayana sutras. It originated in the Magadhan
region of eastern India.
Ikeda: Magadha, as was mentioned previously, was the region in which
Shakyamuni Buddha conducted the majority of his activities. Because
Magadha was an economic center, Ardhamagadhi was the language ofcommerce that was used widely throughout the region.
Ji: That is correct. Shakyamuni Buddha and most of his disciples originated from eastern India. The Ardhamagadhi language is one of a variety of dialects in eastern India. It has many distinguishing characteristics, the most notable of which is the suffix -åni appearing in -a-stemwords (words having the stem ending with -a) in the masculine, nominative, plural. In Sanskrit, the suffix -å˙ is used in the same case.
Regarding the Lotus Sutra texts, in the Kashgar manuscript, a representative of the Central Asian manuscripts, appears the suffix -åni while
the Nepalese manuscripts use the suffix -å˙. Observation of these characteristics led to the supposition that the birthplace of early Mahayana

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)17scriptures was eastern India (then known as “central India” in Chinese
documents). And it is inferred that the texts of the classic Mahayana
period emerged in southern India.
Ikeda: I see. Then, according to the various typologies, the primeval
Mahayana scriptures were compiled during the most ancient period. So,
this included, for example, the various early Perfection of Wisdom(Prajñåpåramitå) sutras. Professor Ji, as you just pointed out, due to its
ancient characteristics, the Lotus Sutra was also included among theprimeval Mahayana sutras. Next, the classical Mahayana sutras
appeared following the development of Mahayana thoughts. Amongthese Mahayana scriptures is the Nirvana Sutra which clearly articulates
the philosophy of the matrix of the Thus Come One (Tathågatagarbha). And it has come to be the view that the primeval Mahayana
sutras, represented by the Lotus Sutra, were created in and around theKingdom of Magadha, the region where Shakyamuni Buddha conducted most of his activities.
Ji: Yes, and the language of the Lotus Sutra reflects the language usedby Shakyamuni himself.

The Theory of “Mahayana Buddhism as Apocryphal
Teachings”
Ikeda: Professor Ji, as you have indicated, from a philological perspective, the Lotus Sutra reflects the language spoken by Shakyamuni Buddha. In my view, as a philosopher and believer, the Lotus Sutra embodies the teachings of the Buddha and clearly presents the essence of his
teachings.
Ji: Speaking for myself, I must say that I have the greatest respect for
Buddhism. I identify with the Buddhist concept of compassion because
it is so similar to the Chinese idea of “heaven and humankind as one.” I
believe that this philosophical concept is critical to saving humankind
from the dangers that confront it. Though I hold the Buddhist philosophy and religion in the highest regard, I am not a follower, but merely aresearcher. The opinions I express are based entirely on my own academic perspectives.
Ikeda: Professor Ji, the humility of your statement is a testament toyour stature as a sincere seeker of truth.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Currently, many scholars espouse the view that the central core of the
Lotus Sutra was established in the first century, several hundred years
after the death of Shakyamuni. That said, there was a time when thetheory of “Mahayana Buddhism as apocryphal teachings” was actively
debated. This “apocryphal teachings” theory contends that the Mahayana sutras such as the Lotus Sutra are not based on the teachings of the
Buddha.
At this point, I would like to briefly recall the history of this debate.
Ji: Please go ahead.
Ikeda: The assertion was that the teachings of Mahayana Buddhism
constitute a philosophy that was fabricated, in the name of the Buddha,
after his death. This theory has an extremely long history. For example,
when the Lotus Sutra was compiled, the various schools within the
Buddhist establishment condemned the Mahayana sutras as arbitrary
fabrications. This theory, then, existed from the very inception of Mahayana Buddhism.
Ji: Yes, that is true. It was a theory embraced by the various Buddhist
schools that were critical of Mahayana Buddhism.
Ikeda: In China also, where the various sutras of the Mahayana and
Hinayana Buddhist canon were introduced and translated in rapid succession, the debate continued. It is said that around the fifth century in
China, a monk named Zhu Fadu propagated the Hinayana doctrine andasserted that Mahayana Buddhism did not represent the Buddha’s teachings.
However, in China, the sutras, whose dates of compilation werechronologically diverse, were introduced all at once, and so they all
were accepted as the direct teachings of the Buddha. Numerous
attempts were made to organize these many Buddhist scriptures into
coherent systems of comparative classification. During that period,
Zhiyi (538–597) or the Great Teacher Tiantai, appeared. He created his
own five period classification system revealing the development of
Shakyamuni Buddha’s teachings. He claimed that the Mahayana teachings were superior to those of the Hinayana schools, and he held up the
Lotus Sutra as by far the most genuine and supreme teaching of all.
In Japan, SaichØ (767–822) or the Great Teacher DengyØ, expoundedon the Tiantai doctrine, and it came to be accepted widely. During the
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)19plines began to conduct empirical research in various fields of studies.
This trend included, for the first time, critical research on Mahayana
Buddhism.
Jiang: By whom was this research conducted?
Ikeda: Tominaga Nakamoto (1715–1746), a philosopher who lived during the mid-Tokugawa period, expounded on the theory of “Mahayana
Buddhism as apocryphal teachings” in his book, ShutsujØgogo ([Buddha’s] Comments after [His] Meditation). He based his argument on thetheory of “accumulation.” In other words, he asserted that various extraneous elements were added to the original teachings of the Buddha, andthis is how many of the Mahayana sutras came into being and evolved
over time.
That said, Nakamoto’s discussion of the “apocryphal teachings” theory was based on a primarily scholarly interest, unlike the arguments ofcritics who were intent on merely criticizing Buddhism. However, once
the theory became known, philosophers critical of Buddhism focusedon it and began to use it as a weapon in their denouncements of Buddhism. A major critic was Hirata Atsutane (1776–1843).
Jiang: How did the Buddhist establishment respond?
Ikeda: The Buddhists offered up a counter argument. This, however,merely consisted of a rehash of the conventional arguments. And during
the Tokugawa period, no one of equal stature stepped forward with anobjective argument to take on Tominaga’s theory.
Jiang: Very interesting.

Empirical Research on the Early Sutras
Ikeda: With the beginning of the Meiji period, the theory of “Mahayana as apocryphal teachings” was debated extensively. This was theresult of the introduction into Japan of western empirical research methods which were applied to the study of Buddhism and the Buddhist
scriptures. It was through this influence that gradually the historicaldevelopment of Buddhism became clearer, and scholars came to the viewthat in the formative period of Buddhism, the early sutras (e.g., the Pali
canon and the Chinese translations of the Agama sutras) were really theactual, or quite close to the actual, teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Jiang: Who first began discussing this theory from a scholarly perspective?
Ikeda: The first scholar to raise this issue was SenshØ Murakami(1851–1929). His argument was based on the empirical methodology ofmodern Buddhist studies, and since he was a Buddhist priest, he createda major stir in the entire Buddhist world. However, on the subject ofhistorical development, Murakami’s argument only went as far as saying that, judging by their current form, the Mahayana texts are not a
direct transcription of the Buddha’s teachings. On the topic ofMahayana doctrine, Murakami not only asserted that the Mahayana
texts were the Buddha’s sermons, but he also claimed that they weresuperior to those of the Hinayana Buddhist canon.
Jiang: That is fascinating. What is the situation with regard to this issue
today?
Ikeda: Subsequently, the theory of “Mahayana Buddhism as apocryphal teachings” was left behind as the focus of interest in Japanese
Buddhist studies shifted to other areas of concern. Specifically, thequestions of scholarship centered on identifying those elements in the
Hinayana sutras which accurately convey the teachings and aspects of
the life of Shakyamuni Buddha; and those portions of the Mahayana
sutras that must be studied to gain an accurate perspective on the development of the Buddha’s teachings.
In the light of this historical context, modern scholarship does nottotally dismiss Mahayana Buddhism. Rather, based on a recognition of
the significance of Mahayana Buddhism, mainstream scholarship in thefield is attempting to discover the portions that might provide the mostvaluable insights. These efforts can be categorized into three main
viewpoints.
Jiang: And what might those be?
Ikeda: The first position contends that, based on an examination ofcommonalties between the doctrines expounded in the sutras of the
Mahayana tradition, the primeval Buddhist sutras, and the sutras of thevarious early Buddhist schools, it is clear that the primeval Buddhist
sutras already contained in them elements of Mahayana Buddhism.
Based on this assertion, one can say that Mahayana Buddhism is alegitimate development of the original teachings of Shakyamuni Bud-

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)21dha. The second position claims that the Mahayana teachings are united
directly with the Buddha in terms of ultimate enlightenment. According
to this view, enlightenment as an ultimate goal is a consistent thread
linking the primeval Buddhist sutras to the Mahayana Buddhist canon,
the differences being only the way in which the Buddha expressed his
enlightenment. The third position asserts that the value of the sutras
must be judged on the content, rather than on whether or not they are
the actual teachings of Shakyamuni.
Academically speaking, even in the primeval Buddhist sutras which
are said to be the direct teachings of Shakyamuni, we see countless
traces of the historical development of the Buddha’s teachings. Accordingly, it is questionable whether it is possible to discover the actual
direct teachings of Shakyamuni solely in the early Buddhist sutras. Of
these three positions, currently the one that dominates the field is thefirst one.
Jiang: Thank you for that excellent overview of the Mahayana debate
in Japan.
Ikeda: In the final analysis, even if several hundred years had passed
since the Buddha’s death, it would be impossible to claim that the
Mahayana sutras were arbitrary fabrications, totally unrelated to
Shakyamuni. And even if the teachings of Shakyamuni were committed
to writing years after his death, it is entirely reasonable to assume thatan oral tradition of the Buddha’s discourses had evolved and was transmitted from generation to generation. This can be said not only of the
Lotus Sutra, but also of other Mahayana sutras that appeared during thesame period.
The various canons on which the Buddhist schools based their faithwere also compiled repeatedly by disciples after the Buddha’s death.
Among these were texts that were heavily influenced by the doctrine ofthe particular early schools of Buddhism that produced them.
Also, as I mentioned previously, the predominant view currently isthat the Mahayana sutras accurately depict the development of Shakyamuni’s philosophy. Accordingly, the simplistic view which holds that
only the Hinayana sutras represent the Buddha’s teachings, and categorically condemns the Mahayana sutras as false and illegitimate, is not
acceptable. Rather, it would be more accurate to say that the Mahayana
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Professor Jiang, as a researcher and specialist on the Lotus Sutra,
what is your view of the Buddha’s teachings and the various sutras?
What do you think about the early Buddhist schools’ criticisms of the
Mahayana sutras as false teachings?
Jiang: Although I am interested in topics of Buddhist history, I am notwell-versed in the field, and so I am rather reluctant to express a casual
opinion on the subject. However, Mr. Ikeda, since you have been kindenough to ask, I will briefly share my opinion.
As you both have mentioned, it appears that the theory of the“Mahayana sutras as apocryphal teachings” is basically a criticism of
Mahayana Buddhism by the proponents of Hinayana Buddhism. I am inagreement, Mr. Ikeda, with your perspective based both on intuitive as
well as logical grounds, and I think that yours is a very effective rebuttal
to the Hinayana criticism.

The Origins of the Hinayana and Mahayana Buddhist Canon
Ikeda: Please allow me to ask you one more question. What is yourview of the formation of the Hinayana and Mahayana sutras?
Jiang: Mr. Ikeda, of the numerous issues you have mentioned previously, I believe that the common origin of the Hinayana and Mahayana
sutras is of central importance. In other words, at issue is whether or not
texts that may be called a “primeval Buddhist canon” actually existed.
Ikeda: The presumption is that the Hinayana and Mahayana sutras
evolved from the primeval Buddhist canon, isn’t it? These sutras arethought to be a compilation of Shakyamuni’s many teachings. This is avery important issue.
Jiang: Academics hold a variety of opinions on this topic. Briefly,
Heinrich Lüders (1869–1943), the German scholar, early on, proposed
the concept of a “primeval Buddhist canon” (buddhistischer Urkanon).
Lüders contended that there existed a certain primeval Buddhist canon,and he systematically described the characteristics of its language. The
diametrically opposed views among scholars about the existence of acertain primeval Buddhist canon were based on differing interpretationsof Lüders’ contentions of its underlying significance. Those in favor of
Lüders’ argument are represented by Professor Ji. And those opposedby Franklin Edgerton (1885–1963) and Heinz Bechert.

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It would be impossible and unnecessary to present excerpts of thesetwo viewpoints. In order to describe the debate, the following passage
from Professor Ji’s prolific work on the subject will suffice.
Ikeda: This is an extremely important issue. Please continue.
Jiang: Professor Ji states, “Based on our current suppositions, thedevelopmental process of the Buddhist sutras must have proceeded in
the following way. In short, the Buddha himself did not simply write
down his teachings. This point can be confirmed. On the other hand, it
is impossible to imagine that the Buddha did not regularly expound on
certain topics. The passage in the sutras dealing with the twelve-linked
chain of causation may fall into this category.
“In the period in which the Buddha lived, written literature did notexist, so oral instruction was the means by which teachers conveyed
their knowledge of the teachings to their disciples. The disciples in turnlearned by heart by repeating what the teachers spoke. The first subjects
conveyed in this oral tradition must have been teachings which the Buddha frequently espoused. This is undoubtedly because these teachings
were so compelling that they could be told over and over again. Aftermany recitations, the teachings became firmly fixed in the memories ofthe disciples, and over time, they gradually came to form the foundationof the Buddhist sutras. This initial foundation was influenced by historical transitions and the introduction of new elements by each successive
generation of masters and disciples, and so the end result, after muchediting, was a relatively massive set of volumes when the tradition wasrecorded as written scriptures.
“Since the Buddha himself and the great teachers of early Buddhism
were all from eastern India, they spoke the dialect of that region, andthe first sutras, which we commonly call “the primeval Buddhist
canon,” must have been written in that dialect. If that were not the case,there would have been no way for the people to understand them.”3
Professor Ji’s statement is based on the foundation of his research of
the language of early Buddhism, and I think that it effectively substantiates your own view, Mr. Ikeda.

Linguistic Transformation of the Oral Tradition
Ikeda: I believe that in the compilation of the Lotus Sutra, the concepts
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)under the influence of the historical conditions and philosophical trendsof that period. Professor Jiang, what is your understanding of the historical and philosophical influences on the compilation of the Lotus Sutra?
It seems to me that upon examination of the Lotus Sutra, the following inferences can be made. First of all, in the history of Buddhism
select portions of the enormous volume of the Buddha’s ideas wereseized upon in a piecemeal fashion, and numerous splinter groups
evolved. In the process, the essential message of the Buddha’s teachings
was obscured. Also, as memories of Shakyamuni faded into the distantpast, the people conceived of and pursued the teachings of various other
Buddhas.
It is reasonable to suggest that the fundamental aspect of Shakyamuni
Buddha’s teaching in the Lotus Sutra is the concept of equality that the
Buddha discovered through his enlightenment. This was a radical concept for that period, and as a result, the compilers of the Lotus Sutra
were considered heretics and were persecuted. I think this is a reasonable assumption, but what do you think?
Jiang: The historical literature on early India is scanty, so it is impossible to describe in detail, based on historical materials, the social andphilosophical context of the era in which the Lotus Sutra was created.
Even so, scholars are examining and drawing suppositions from thephilosophical content and linguistic characteristics of the Lotus Sutra
itself, as they attempt to discern the multi-faceted social and philosophical issues of the period in which the Lotus Sutra was compiled.
For example, as Professor Ji clearly states: “The birthplace of the
Lotus Sutra is thought to be in Magadha in approximately the second
century BCE. . . . From a linguistic perspective, the Lotus Sutra belongsin the same category as the primeval Buddhist sutras.”4
Ikeda: This is a very clear statement. Are there other perspectives thathave been advanced?
Jiang: Yes. YËichi Kajiyama, former director of Soka University’s
International Research Institute for Advanced Buddhology, which you
founded, Mr. Ikeda, and the current director, Kanno Hiroshi, and Professors Yuyama Akira and Karashima Seishi have all conducted studies
on the philosophy and philology of the Lotus Sutra, and all deserve ourhighest regard. I believe that it is possible to discern, from the content
of the Lotus Sutra itself, the nature of the philosophical trends of theperiod in which the Lotus Sutra was compiled. For example, the egali-

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)25tarian perspective expressed in the Lotus Sutra reveals a spiritual or perhaps a religious desire of the people of that time to be able to attain
Buddhahood. Similarly, the assertion of huisan guiyi (turning to the one
vehicle by unifying the three vehicles) manifested in the Lotus Sutra
can be thought of as perhaps expressing the desire and need of the people for the unification of the Three Vehicles.
Ikeda: I believe you are referring to the concept known in Japanese as
kaisan ken’ichi (the replacement of the three vehicles with the one vehicle). Yes, I understand it well. Incidentally, what are your thoughts on
the practice in India of preserving precious teachings through memorization, committing them to heart, rather than through the written
word?
Ji: Well, first of all, a writing system did not exist in ancient India. The
Vedas, the sacred scriptures of the Brahman religion, survived thanks toan oral tradition of transmission from one generation of masters anddisciples to the next.
Ikeda: Was this the case during the period when the Lotus Sutra wascompiled? In the Dazhidu lun or Daichido ron (Treatise on the Great
Perfection of Wisdom) attributed to Någårjuna, it is written that “Words
from the Buddha’s lips were recited by his disciples and written down,thus creating the sutra scrolls.”5 I believe that these “sutra scrolls” referto the Mahayana sutras. It appears that the sutras were compiled as theteachings were committed to writing.
Ji: In the era in which the Lotus Sutra evolved, India had its own writing system. At that point in time, the inscriptions of King Ashoka had
already been engraved. Obviously, this provides the evidence that awriting system existed during that period.
Ikeda: Professor Jiang, please share your thoughts on the factors leading from the oral tradition to the transcription and compilation of the
Buddha’s teachings as scriptures. Also, what do you think about theprocess by which the oral tradition was transformed into the written
word. In addition, what was especially different about the approach of
the Lotus Sutra compilers as opposed to the approach used in compilingother sutras?
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Sutra was itself a form of religious practice and a meritorious effort toensure the continuity of the Lotus Sutra for all time. Indeed, transcription of the Lotus Sutra was seen as a genuine expression of faith and ameans to accumulate merit in this world.
Two kinds of transcriptions existed: In the first case, the person desiring to accumulate merit transcribes the text. In the second case, the person seeking merit pays an offering to have another person transcribe thetext. In Mahayana Buddhism it is believed that merit acquired by transcribing a sutra may pass through the hand of the transcriber to the worshipper or person making the offering. In short, both kinds of transcription were a kind of religious practice for the purpose of accumulating
merit.
Ikeda: When I read the Lotus Sutra, I am deeply moved by the vibrancy of the text. This is a result of the compilers’ excellent choice of central concepts in the Buddha’s teachings which were handed down in thewritings and oral tradition. I cannot help but be impressed by the abilityof talented individuals among the compilers to profoundly comprehend
the Buddha’s enlightenment and to present these concepts so splendidlyin the text.

Addressing the Needs of the Times
Ikeda: Perhaps we can say that the times were crying out for meaning,
and Shakyamuni’s philosophy manifested itself in a message that directly answered that cry. The Buddha had discovered the universal philosophy at the heart of human existence and the nature of the universe and,in the Lotus Sutra, it was offered it up in a new vessel, explained in new
language. A true philosophy radiates an eternal life force which isrestored in a manner aptly suited to the exigencies of the times.
Does Chinese thought also express the idea that Buddhism experienced a restoration of universal truth which corresponded to the needsof that era?
Jiang: The idea of a universal truth, restored in a form addressing theneeds of the times, must also exist in Chinese thought. I believe that thisidea must also exist, for example, in the works of the Tiantai school
canon. But since I am not well-versed in that literature, please forgive
me for failing to offer actual examples as proof.
Ikeda: This restoration is surely the result of the sincere efforts of

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Shakyamuni’s successors, those steeped in his concepts who, responding to the call, grappled with his philosophical ideas in the context of
the realities presented by the times in which they lived. As they engaged
wholeheartedly in their religious practice, these devotees must havebecome awakened, as was Shakyamuni, to the penetrating truth of thelaw pervading the entire universe. And consequently, they, too, realized
the law inherent in their own life force and sought to weave it into thesutras together with the teachings from Shakyamuni’s sermons of theinfinite and timeless law. These practitioners, awakened to the True
Law, undoubtedly felt just as if they were present, listening to the true
Buddha who had attained Buddhahood in the remote past expound on
his teachings.
Professor Jiang, how do you think that the average sutra compiler
comprehended the law realized by Shakyamuni? Also, what can you
say specifically about the understandings of the compilers of the Lotus
Sutra?
Jiang: In my opinion, the compilers of the sutras most certainly were
awakened to the Buddha’s teachings through the oral instruction of theirteachers.
Ikeda: Society and the times are in a state of constant change. Seen
through the lens of ultimate truth, reality is a picture of undulating
ocean swells, wave after wave cresting in succession. For this reason,
when society leans to one extreme, one who is attempting to live a lifeof moderation is not viewed as moderate. Rather, in the context of thatsocial milieu, he is seen as an extremist.
In other words, though the truth of the Buddha’s philosophy wasarticulated in a new form, or perhaps precisely because of this, itappeared, in the context of those times, even more striking and fresh. In
this sense, my point is that I think the Lotus Sutra represents Shakyamuni Buddha’s true message, ancient in origin, yet astonishingly relevant for each new generation. Of course, it reflects the currents of its
time, and historical research will undoubtedly bring to light many
aspects of that period. I believe that the fruits of this kind of sincere
scholarly research must be welcomed. Notwithstanding this, I firmly
believe that the philosophical worth of the Lotus Sutra will not be tarnished, but rather, its radiance will grow even more brilliant.
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)results of rigorous scholarship. For that you have my heartfelt admiration.
Ikeda: This view of “the Lotus Sutra’s message as universal truth” hasalso been seen in the Lotus Sutra itself. In the first chapter of the Lotus
Sutra, the Buddha Sun Moon Bright is said to have, in the past,
expounded the Lotus Sutra as the correct teaching. Likewise, in thechapter, “The Parable of the Phantom City,” the Buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, and his princely sons, all preached the Lotus
Sutra.
In the chapter, “The Bodhisattva Never Disparaging,” the Bodhisattva
Never Disparaging nearly dies, but revives and teaches the Lotus Sutra.
These examples clearly show that the Lotus Sutras taught by past Buddhas were quite voluminous works. The Lotus Sutra taught by the Buddha Sun Moon Bright took a truly lengthy period of sixty small kalpas
to complete. The Lotus Sutra expounded by the Buddha Awesome
Sound King is composed of trillions of verses. The Lotus Sutra of the
Buddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence is said to have taken overeight thousand kalpas to convey and is composed of verses as numerous
as grains of sand on the banks of the Ganges River. This recounting
reveals that the Lotus Sutra of Shakyamuni that we read today is only
one of many that have been expounded over time.
Professor Jiang, what is your view of the multiple versions of the
Lotus Sutra that are mentioned in the Lotus Sutra itself?
Jiang: As you say, Mr. Ikeda, the Lotus Sutra we have today introduces
a number of other versions. However, I have not undertaken a study ofthe problem of whether the Lotus Sutra as we know it today is or is not
the only one, nor to my knowledge have any of my colleagues before
me. Now that you have brought the issue to my attention, however, I
will make an effort to include it in my future studies. I appreciate yourencouragement to look into this issue.

Wisdom and Compassion for the Happiness of All People
Ikeda: My great teacher, Mr. Josei Toda (1900–1958), the second president of Soka Gakkai, understood the essence of the Lotus Sutra and hisview of its most important elements is illuminating. He wrote, “TheLotus Sutra is manifested in diverse ways according to the Buddha who
expounds it, the historical context, and the capacity of humankind tocomprehend and accept it. Even if there is only one ultimate truth, it isJ/Orient/02 03.1.17 1:26 PM ページ 29

DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)29expressed in various ways based on the depth of the relationshipbetween the people of an era and the spiritual world. The average person who has studied a little about Buddhism thinks that no one otherthan Shakyamuni Buddha has expounded on the Lotus Sutra. However,the Lotus Sutra states that the Bodhisattva Never Disparaging and theBuddha Great Universal Wisdom Excellence, have all expounded theLotus Sutra, as has Tiantai.”6This one great truth can be embodied in various manifestations.
However, ultimately, this means that they are all manifestations of the
Lotus Sutra. When a serious, conscientious person who desires the happiness of others encounters the Lotus Sutra, he experiences an awakening which enables him to comprehend the times in which he lives andthen interpret the Lotus Sutra anew for his generation. The Law ofattainment of Buddhahood, the Law to which the Buddha himself wasawakened, teaches that enlightenment is possible for all sentient beings
so that they may experience happiness and peace—indeed, this is theuniversal essence of the Lotus Sutra.
I am firmly convinced that the heart of wisdom and compassion,
expressed in the desire “to work tirelessly for the happiness of all people” is an expression of the eternal truth at the heart of the Lotus Sutra.
What do you identify as the universality of the Lotus Sutra, i.e., the“heart of the Lotus Sutra”?
Ji: I rather think that you, Mr. Ikeda, have the more perceptive view on
this question.
Jiang: Your statement that the spirit of the Lotus Sutra is expressed in
the wise and compassionate desire “to work tirelessly for the happinessof all people,” is, I think, an extremely lucid observation. According toa traditional Chinese expression, the spirit of Mahayana Buddhism, andmore specifically the Lotus Sutra, is called “the spirit of the bodhisattvas.” In other words, it is an altruistic spirit of great compassion
which seeks to relieve the suffering and distress of the masses. Actually,
this is the reason why I have such great respect for Mahayana Buddhism. Indeed, this Mahayana spirit of compassion encourages thedevelopment of wisdom, courage, and passion, and helps human society
confront and conquer its difficulties, enabling all humankind to experience true happiness.
My profound respect for Soka Gakkai is also based on this “spirit of
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)we live. Also, its members implement their beliefs with unwaveringconviction and admirable effort as they make outstanding contributions
to promote worldwide peace and enhance the cultural and educational
lives of people throughout the entire world.
THE DIFFUSION OF THE LOTUS SUTRA IN INDIA, CHINA, AND JAPANA Century of Life, a Century of Peace
Ikeda: I would like to now pose this question for our discussion: What
must we learn from the Lotus Sutra to illuminate the twenty-first century and create a “Century of Life,” and a “Century of Peace”?
Ji: I welcome the opportunity to discuss such an extremely importantmatter.
Ikeda: To explore this topic, let us learn from your country, that is, by
exploring China’s past, its rich traditions, then discerning the realities ofthe present, and finally, envision the possibilities for the future. Let us
proceed with the scientific approach expressed in the principle you
raise, Professor Ji, of the importance of “seeking truth from facts.” As
our point of departure, let us focus on the actual object of our interest,
explore the principles of its development, and ascertain its essential
nature.
Jiang: Yes, to reflect on the past and contemplate the present is aneffective means of accurately viewing the future.
Ikeda: In the Buddhist scriptures is the passage, “A sage is one who
fully understands the three existences of life—past, present, andfuture.”7 Nothing gives me greater pleasure than to explore the truths ofthe three existences with such wise scholars as yourselves.
Jiang: A broad historical perspective reveals that among the numerous
Buddhist sacred scriptures, the Lotus Sutra has been propagated for the
longest period over the widest geographical area and has inspired themost believers and interested researchers. This tells us that the Lotus
Sutra is indeed the king of the Buddhist scriptures.
A general overview of the present also shows that the Lotus Sutra has
had a major impact on the modern world, and moreover, has continued
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)31the future, we are able to confidently predict that the Lotus Sutra will
spread throughout the entire world in the twenty-first century.
Ikeda: That is quite a bold assertion. On what factors do you base yourprediction?
Jiang: My statement is based on only one factor—the objective observation of existing facts. Speaking for myself, I do not profess allegianceto any religion, nor am I affiliated with any political party. I am simply
an ordinary researcher who conducts his work based on the principle of“seeking truth from facts.” Let me briefly present the facts that support
my contention.
Ikeda: Yes, by all means, please continue.

Dissemination in India
Jiang: The Lotus Sutra originated in India. Yet, extant writings fromthe historical record of ancient Indian culture are sparse. This is why it
is difficult to discuss specific details of the impact of the Lotus Sutra on
Buddhist history in India. Nevertheless, the Lotus Sutra manuscripts
possess quite distinct and unmatched characteristics when comparedwith extant manuscripts of other Buddhist texts.
Ikeda: Certainly, compared to the depth of China’s historical record,ancient India produced little in the way of historical texts. Perhaps thisis because the Indians were more attracted to texts whose significancetranscends considerations of time.
Well then, specifically to what unparalleled characteristics of the
Lotus Sutra do you refer?
Jiang: First of all, there exist a large number of Sanskrit Lotus Sutra
manuscripts. Second, the manuscripts have been discovered over a vastgeographic area and in a great number of locations. Third, dissimilarities among the manuscripts of language, composition, and length offer
intriguing complexities. Fourth, the span of time during which manuscripts were transcribed is remarkably long.
I believe that a comprehensive analysis of these characteristics willlead to definitive conclusions. In other words, because we have foundthat the Lotus Sutra is a Buddhist scripture which was extremely widespread and had the most enduring impact throughout ancient Indian

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Buddhist history, the opportunities to engage in research, and the possibility of that research bearing fruit, are abundant.
Ikeda: Yes. That is clearly the case. The great Buddhist scholarsNågårjuna and Vasubandhu both used the Lotus Sutra. Någårjuna, theillustrious Mahayana theorist who lived in the second and third centuries and whose sphere of influence extended throughout southern
India, quotes from the Lotus Sutra in his discourse, Dazhidu lun or
Daichido ron (Treatise on the Sutra of the Perfection of Wisdom).
Vasubandhu, who lived in the fourth and fifth centuries and was active
in northern India, is known for his interpretive work, “Treatise on the
Lotus Sutra of the Wonderful Law.” (This work is extant only in Chinese translations, one by Bodhiruchi entitled, Miaofa lianhua jing
youbotishe, the other by Ratnamati entitled Miaofa lianhua jing lun
youbotishe.) If we merely consider the writings produced by these twoscholars, it is clear that the Lotus Sutra was the focus of great interestfor several centuries in both northern and southern India.

Diffusion to the Western Region, or Central Asia
Ikeda: Well then, we see that the Lotus Sutra spread from the vast
country of India to Central Asia, known in Chinese as the “Western
Region.” The so-called “Silk Road” which facilitated the spread of the
Lotus Sutra could very well be called the “Lotus Road.”
Ji: Yes. The Silk Road was simultaneously an avenue for the spread ofcommerce as well as for propagation of religions. During those times,
priests and merchants not only turned to each other for help, they alsorelied on and coexisted with one another in the course of their travels.
The Silk Road was a major thoroughfare used by many of the leading
priests of China, India and other countries as they traversed the continents on their various missionary journeys.
Ikeda: The Lotus Sutra traversed time and great geographical distances
to become a widely revered scripture. Its universal message wasembraced by many cultures and peoples and was interpreted differently
in the context of each unique cultural milieu.
Jiang: The Lotus Sutra was relayed to the Western Region, or Central
Asia, where it became the most widespread and had the most prevailinginfluence of any Buddhist scripture in the history of the region. As I

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)33mentioned previously, based on the discovery to date of the remarkable
number of Sanskrit Lotus Sutra manuscripts, we see the vast range ofregions in which they appeared, the complexity of the texts, and theimmense expanse of time over which transcriptions were produced. No
other Buddhist scripture can match this record. In contrast, for example,
there are extremely few ancient Sanskrit manuscripts of the GoldenLight Sutra (Suvarˆaprabhåsa-sËtra) from the Western Region.
Ikeda: Perhaps this is an indication of the deep belief that the various
peoples of the Western Region had in the Lotus Sutra. During the past
several years, we at the Institute of Oriental Philosophy organized an
exhibition entitled, “The Lotus Sutra and Its World,” which includes
manuscripts and block print books from the collection of the St. Petersburg Branch of the Institute of Oriental Studies, Russian Academy of
Sciences. The exhibition has been held in Tokyo (1998), Vienna (2000),and Wolfenbüttel, Germany (2000).
In the exhibition held in Tokyo, the manuscripts and block printed
texts of the Lotus Sutra and other major Buddhist scriptures represent
thirteen writing systems and fourteen languages from regions along theentire route of the Silk Road. On display were texts written vertically aswell as horizontally, and on surfaces not only of paper and palm leaf,
but also of birch bark and leather hide. The exhibition showed a truly
magnificent representation of texts.
Jiang: Marvelous! Indeed, the exhibition vividly traces the route of the
Lotus Sutra, which, having been transmitted from India to Central Asia,
embarked from there to China on the Silk Road.
Ikeda: Yes, and in addition to the Chinese translations, there are
Tibetan, Mongolian, ancient Turkish, Manchurian, and Annamese (aVietnamese dialect) translations. In modern times, we also have a
French translation by Eugène Burnouf (1801–1852), an English one by
Hendrik Kern (1833–1917), and a Japanese translation by Bunyiu Nanjio (1849–1927) and HØkei Izumi (1884–1947). Kumarajiva’s Chinesetranslation of the Lotus Sutra (Miaofa lianhua jing or MyØhØ-rengekyØ) is considered an unrivaled masterpiece that is recited even today.
Translations into other languages such as Xixia or Tangut were done
from the Chinese translation.
Jiang: History shows us that the Lotus Sutra was translated into
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Xixia, and Mongolian. It greatly influenced these cultures and their peoples as well.

The Convergence of Cultures on the Silk Road
Ji: The Silk Road provided the context for fostering harmonious cultural interaction and blending cultural influences of different peoples inancient times. The world’s great ancient civilizations—China, India,
and Greece—brought with them the major world religions, i.e., Buddhism, Islam, and Christianity. Travelers spoke many of the world’s languages including the Indo-European languages and others. In addition
to this convergence of religions and languages, the Silk Road also facilitated the interaction of many of the world’s literary, artistic, and musicaltraditions.
Ikeda: The Silk Road was truly the scene for cultural encounter. Evidence of these encounters can be seen in the wall paintings and otherartifacts discovered in the cave temples of Dunhuang. These are vivid
remnants of the variety of peoples who occupied and traversed this area.
Needless to say, Dunhuang was a critical point of contact between
China and the Western Region. I believe that today the example of thesepeoples serves as an evocative symbol of the absolute necessity for dialogue between the civilizations.
In 1985, the exhibition, “Treasures of Dunhuang, China,” was held at
the Tokyo Fuji Art Museum. The exhibition fascinated Japanese viewers with its display of the hidden treasures of this great desert gallery.
Included were Chinese and Xixia translations of the Lotus Sutra as wellas other discovered texts and reproductions of the brilliantly colored
Mogao Grotto paintings from the cave temples of Dunhuang. In 1990,
we published TonkØ no KØsai: Bi to jinsei o kataru (The Radiance ofDunhuang: On Beauty and Life), dialogues between myself and the lateProfessor Chang Shuhong (1904–1994) (honorary director of the Dunhuang Academy), who was truly the guardian angel of Dunhuang.
Ji: I also have had the opportunity to visit the Mogao Grottoes in Dunhuang, also known as the Caves of One Thousand Buddhas. In an environment such as Dunhuang which is surrounded by such a vast andboundless desert, it is easy to imagine how the ancient peoples of the
Silk Road came to understand the importance of coexistence and providing mutual aid to one another. Groups of people are depicted inmany of the wall paintings. The faces and appearance of the people

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)35illustrate the many different racial and ethnic groups they represented.
They appear to be working together in various kinds of projects.
My impression is that those people—for instance, those who carved
out and lived in the caves and those the artists who created the paintings—were not a single people but came from different races or tribes.
Of course, those portrayed in the paintings no longer exist—indeed, life
is but a fleeting moment. However, the goodwill between their peoples
is eternal. This simple truth is clearly illustrated in this facet of Chinese
history.
A visit to Dunhuang imparts an uncanny feeling, almost as if beingtransported to an ancient and remote time and place, far removed frommodern life. The intercultural goodwill and friendship, etched for alltime on the cave walls of Dunhuang, portrays a perennial aspiration of
all peoples. Upon gazing at the wall paintings, a profound and heartwarming feeling of joy swept over me.
Ikeda: I felt exactly the same way. In every corner of today’s modern
world, ethnic strife abounds. Encounters with peoples different fromoneself have not always resulted in conflict. Rather, when peoples wereable to transcend the constraints of their own culture, they have caught a
glimpse of a global vision of a more peaceful world. This is history’s
lesson from the Silk Road.
The Lotus Sutra was embraced by peoples representing the heterogeneous cultures of the Silk Road. It served to encourage this great arrayof diversity, while simultaneously pointing the way to a life of peacefulcoexistence. The paintings inspired this insight, revealing the universality of the Lotus Sutra.

Transmission to China—Six Translations/Three Extant Texts
Ikeda: By way of background, please tell us how and when the Lotus
Sutra was transmitted to China.
Jiang: The first translation of the Lotus Sutra appeared in the state of
Wu in the Three Kingdoms period (222–280). It was called the Fo yi
sanche huan jing or “The Buddha Summons the Three Vehicles” andwas translated by an upasaka or lay believer, Zhi Qian, from the country of Yuezhi.
Ikeda: The word Yuezhi refers, in the narrow sense, to the northwesternpart of India. More broadly interpreted, it refers to the whole of India.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Therefore, Zhi Qian must have been a translator from India who settled
in China. The sutra name, i.e., “The Buddha Summons the Three Vehicles,” suggests that the focus of this translation is on the “Simile andParable” chapter, chapter three of the Lotus Sutra, which depicts thestory about the three carts and the burning house.
Jiang: Yes. That is exactly right. This text consists of only one volume,
so it is undoubtedly an excerpt translation of the Lotus Sutra. Furthermore, just as you say, the name of the sutra itself indicates without adoubt that the subject of the abridged volume is the parable of the threecarts and the burning house.
At present, we know of a total of Chinese translations of the Lotus
Sutra. Of these, three complete versions and one excerpt are extant.
Ikeda: In the Kaiyuan shijiao lu (Kaiyuan Era Catalog of the Buddhist
Canon), we are told of “six translations of which three are extant.” The
three complete extant Lotus Sutra versions in Chinese are the Zheng
fahua jing, the Miaofa lianhua jing, and the Tianpin miaofa lianhua
jing.
Of these, the Zheng fahua jing, translated in 286 CE during the Western Jin dynasty by Dharmaraksha, is claimed to be based on a Sanskrit
palm leaf manuscript with some 6,500 verses, which was preserved in
the palace archives of the king of Yutian, a small state in Central Asia.
The Miaofa lianhua jing was translated in 406 during the Later Qin
dynasty by Kumarajiva based on the 6,000 verse “white silk” Sanskrit
manuscript in the palace archives of the king of Jibin, another small
state in Central Asia.
The Tianpin miaofa lianhua jing, translated in 601 during the Sui
dynasty by Jnanagupta and Dharmagupta, is said to be based on a 6,200
verse palm leaf manuscript. Of these three translations, it is believedthat the oldest text form of the Lotus Sutra had been preserved in theoriginal Sanskrit manuscript on which Kumarajiva’s translation isbased.
The three lost translations, which we know only by their names, are
the Fahua sanmei jing, which consisted of six volumes, translated byZhengwuwei in 255 in the state of Wei in the Three Kingdoms period;
the Sayun fentuoli jing, composed of six volumes translated by Dharmaraksha in 265 during the Western Jin dynasty, and the Fangdeng
fahua jing, in five volumes, translated by Zhi Daogen in 335 during theEastern Jin dynasty.
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)37mentioned by Professor Jiang and these six translations mentioned in
the Kaiyuan shijiao lu?
Jiang: Each of the six translations, of which three are extant, that you
referred to, Mr. Ikeda, are translations of the entire Lotus Sutra. The
eight translations I mentioned include those six translations plus anadditional two translated excerpts from the Lotus Sutra. According to
the preface to the Bonkan taishØ shin’yaku hokekyØ (A New [Japanese]
Translation of the Lotus Sutra in Collation of Sanskrit and Chinese
Texts), translated by Bunyiu Nanjio and HØkei Izumi, the two translated
excerpts are as follows:
1. Fo yi sanche huan jing, now lost, one volume, translated by theupasaka Zhi Qian of Yuezhi during the Wu dynasty.
2. Satan fentuoli jing, extant, one volume, translator unknown, listed in the records of the Western Jin.
Therefore, the difference between the six sutra translations, which
you mentioned, and the eight I discussed, is simply the two translated
excerpts I have just described.

The Translation of Kumarajiva’s Miaofa lianhua jing
Jiang: The Miaofa lianhua jing translation by Kumarajiva is the seventh Chinese translation of the Lotus Sutra. Once this translation wasmade public, it supplanted all previous Chinese translations. Moreover,the subsequent Chinese translation, i.e., the Tianpin miaofa lianhua
jing, which was the eighth, in effect, served no useful purpose. In otherwords, Kumarajiva’s Miaofa lianhua jing translation played a decisiverole in the propagation of the Lotus Sutra to China and Japan andthroughout all of East Asia.
Ikeda: With Buddhism’s transmission to Japan during the time ofPrince ShØtoku (574–622), the Miaofa lianhua jing or MyØhØ-rengekyØ came to be used exclusively. Nichiren Daishonin also used it extensively.
Professor Jiang, in your view, what are the aspects of Kumarajiva’stranslation that make it so superior to other translations?
Jiang: Kumarajiva spread the Mahayana Buddhist doctrine throughout
Asia, and the magnitude of his contribution in that period is unrivaled
by any other Buddhist devotee. First of all, Kumarajiva conducted thorough and systematic studies of the Buddhist as well as non-Buddhist

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)scriptures available in India during his time. Second, even before hebegan translating Buddhist scriptures, he was well-versed in all the various doctrines of Buddhism and other religions. Third, Kumarajiva
deliberately and systematically set out to use the most appropriate andaccurate language in his Chinese translations and, not surprisingly, theresulting translations of Buddhist scripture were transmitted quickly
and widely throughout the region and were the most enduring. Needlessto say, the scriptural translation that drew by far the most readers was
the Miaofa lianhua jing.
The greatest characteristic of the Lotus Sutra is its declaration ofequality for all. No matter what the circumstances, each person possesses the essential nature of the Buddha. This is what “equality” means.
This is what “equality” means. This is the appeal of the Lotus Sutra thattranscends time and space. Mr. Ikeda, I sense that your philosophy isalso founded on a boundless faith in human beings.
Kumarajiva translated the Lotus Sutra into Chinese by capturing theessence of its meaning rather than slavishly translating word for word
into Chinese. It is such a masterful translation, no doubt, because atheart all his efforts were for the sake of the Buddhist Law and all
humankind. I receive this same feeling, Mr. Ikeda, from your forthrightand contemporary perspective of the Lotus Sutra.
Ikeda: Thank you for your generous comment. My wish is to testify,
for the sake of humankind, to the powerful and indestructible force of
the Lotus Sutra which is relevant for today’s world as well as for the
future.
Nichiren Daishonin especially praised Kumarajiva’s translation of the
Lotus Sutra as an accurate transmission of Shakyamuni’s spiritual message. He said: “As many as 176 individuals have translated sutras andtreatises which have made their way from India to China. But Kumarajiva is the only translator who has faithfully conveyed Shakyamuni’s
scriptures without arbitrarily adding his own ideas.”8
Kumarajiva was fluent in Sanskrit as well as Chinese. As Professor
Jiang so accurately pointed out, Kumarajiva’s exceptional talent was his
ability to grasp the essential meaning of the text and not simply translate the words themselves into Chinese. As a result of Kumarajiva’s
intense and painstaking translation efforts, Buddhism spread throughout
the vast Chinese cultural sphere and was accepted warmly by the people. From there, it was disseminated throughout the Korean peninsula
and the Japanese archipelago, becoming a major influence in all of East
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The Impact of the Lotus Sutra on China
Jiang: The monumental impact of the Lotus Sutra on Chinese culture
as well as on Chinese Buddhist history is profoundly broad and longlasting. Therefore, it is impossible to identify a specific period or place
to explain this phenomenon, nor is it necessary. For the purposes of our
discussion, I would like to be relatively conservative in choosing a number of issues that I believe are worthy of consideration for future
research.
Ikeda: By all means, please continue.
Jiang: First of all, broadly speaking, the Buddhist sacred text that had
the greatest impact on China was the Lotus Sutra. This was due toKumarajiva’s excellent translation, the Miaofa lianhua jing.
We are still not completely sure about the exact number of extant
ancient manuscripts of Buddhist sacred texts translated into Chinese.
However, among the ancient Chinese translations of the Lotus Sutra,
manuscript copies of Kumarajiva’s translation are by far the mostnumerous.
Some time ago, I discovered that the oldest extant block print Chinese Buddhist text was indeed, as we might have expected, the Miaofa
lianhua jing.
Ikeda: Please tell us more about this oldest block print text.
Jiang: I am told that it was published during the middle years of theZhou dynasty in the reign of Empress Wu (c. 624–705, reigned
690–705), which means that it must have been produced before theperiod 695–699 CE. This is approximately 170 years before the previously recognized oldest manuscript of this kind was published. So, it
predates the block print book of the Jingang bore jing (Diamond Wisdom Sutra), published in the ninth year of the Xiantong era during theTang dynasty (868 CE).
Ikeda: Fascinating. Can you tell us why so many transcribed manuscripts and printed books of the Lotus Sutra were produced? One theory, apparently, is that believers were taught that reproducing the Lotus
Sutra would garner merit for the transcriber. So, certainly, the hope ofaccumulating merit was a factor. I believe that another major impetus
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Lotus Sutra. Professor Jiang, what do you think about this issue?
Jiang: I think it is just as you say. It is quite conceivable that one of the
major motivations for the creation of numerous manuscripts and printings of the Lotus Sutra was the desire on the part of all believers to
propagate the Lotus Sutra far and wide.
Ikeda: Are there any other reasons?
Jiang: We can infer from ancient texts on Chinese Buddhist history,
such as the Liang gaoseng zhuan (The Liang Dynasty Biographies ofEminent Priests), that the Lotus Sutra had an enormous impact on
China. We must also consider the numerous works by ancient Chinese
writers devoted to describing and interpreting the teachings of the Lotus
Sutra. Accordingly, the large body of literature devoted to the Lotus
Sutra was a stimulus to the production as well as an indicator of
demand for Lotus Sutra transcriptions and printed books.

Tiantai Zhiyi and the One-Vehicle Philosophy
Ikeda: The volume of works written on the teachings of the Lotus Sutraby ancient Chinese writers indicates considerable philosophical interest
that the Lotus Sutra attracted. It appears that, early on, prominent Buddhist scholars began writing interpretive works on the teachings of the
Lotus Sutra. The earliest extant work of this kind was the Miaofa lianhua jing shu (A Commentary on the Lotus Sutra) by Daosheng(355–434), a disciple of Kumarajiva.
Other interpretive texts followed, such as those written by Fayun(467–529) of Guangzhesi temple; by Jizang (549–623); and by Kuiji(632–682), also known as the Great Teacher Cien. And of course, thefinest examples were written by Zhiyi, the Great Teacher Tiantai.
Jiang: Generally speaking, before the Sui and Tang dynasties, the modeby which the Lotus Sutra was conveyed was limited to translations andlectures. At this stage, distinct lineages and doctrines did exist, but thevarious Buddhist schools had not yet appeared. The one individual who
made the greatest contribution to the initial spread of Lotus Sutra doctrine in China was undeniably Kumarajiva.
Beginning in the Sui and Tang dynasties, Chinese Buddhism enteredinto a period of school creation. In this next phase of Buddhism’s development, Zhiyi, the founder of the Tiantai school, made the greatest con-

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)41tribution to the propagation of the Lotus Sutra. The Tiantai school,
which is also known as the Fahua or Hokke school, venerated the Lotus
Sutra as a precious scripture.
Ikeda: Zhiyi presented the world with three major writings based on
the Lotus Sutra. These are the Fahua xuanyi or Hokke gengi (The Profound Meaning of the Lotus Sutra); the Fahua wenju or Hokke mongu(The Words and Phrases of the Lotus Sutra); and the Mohe zhiguan or
Maka shikan (Great Concentration and Insight). How was it possible forZhiyi to make such a significant contribution?
Jiang: I think there were probably many factors. The fundamental reason is, in my humble opinion, that Zhiyi did not take a stubbornly dogmatic approach to Lotus Sutra doctrine, but rather was able to clearly
and accurately interpret the essence of the Lotus Sutra, at a time when
Chinese society was in turmoil and the country was yearning for unity.
The concept of unity in the Lotus Sutra provided support for the traditional Chinese cultural concept of “Great Unity.” The profound significance of this influence is difficult to appreciate today; however, it is aconcept worthy of special attention.
Ikeda: So, you are suggesting that a major factor enabling Zhiyi tomake such a great contribution was his clear elucidation of the “onevehicle” philosophy of the Lotus Sutra. This one-vehicle philosophy,
based on universal and egalitarian principles, teaches that all beings arecapable of enlightenment. As a result, after a long and divisive period ofcompeting mini-states, this message struck a sympathetic chord during
the Sui and Tang dynasties which had witnessed the unification ofChina under one nation state. This is a truly important philosophicalconcept that also resonates with people in contemporary times.
What was the nature of popular belief in the Lotus Sutra in everyday
people’s lives?
Jiang: The degree of influence the Lotus Sutra had on ancient as wellas on contemporary Chinese people is most notable in the devout belief
in the compassion and saving grace of the Bodhisattva Guanyin or Kannon (Perceiver of the World’s Sounds). In many places throughout
China, one finds Buddhist temples which are called Fahua or Hokke
temples and which are dedicated exclusively to the veneration of theBodhisattva Guanyin.
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)important element in the religious life of the Chinese people.

The World of Buddhism as Seen in the Wall Paintings ofDunhuang
Ikeda: In the caves of Dunhuang is a masterpiece that depicts the subject matter of the Guanyin or Kannon chapter of the Lotus Sutra, thefull title of which is “The Universal Gateway of the Bodhisattva Perceiver of the World’s Sounds.”
The parable of the three carts and burning house, found in the “Simile and Parable” chapter of the Lotus Sutra, is also portrayed. This parable tells the story of some children (representing human beings) who
are playing, unaware that they are being enveloped in a burning house(representing the flames of worldly passions). The children are thrilled
to be promised three carts, which is a metaphor for the path of thevoice-hearer (Learning), that of the pratyekabuddha (Realization), andthat of the bodhisattva, and thus lured from the house, are saved fromthe flames. The Buddha’s ultimate purpose, however, beyond providing
these three vehicles, is to lead people to the one supreme vehicle, inother words, to Buddhahood through the power of the one Buddha vehicle.
One can clearly recognize this parable in the cave paintings of Dunhuang. It is almost as if the scenes are a series of images enfolding onvideotape. The essential message of the Lotus Sutra is clear to anyone,
and this universality itself, reveals the brilliance of the Lotus Sutra.
Ji: I have visited many caves to view artistic depictions of the sutras on
their walls. Among these works of art are scenes from the Lotus Sutra,
the Lankåvatåra Sutra, and the Golden Light Sutra. The artists chose torepresent many of the chapters of the sutras in visual form, and it
appears that the Guanyin chapter of the Lotus Sutra was the most wellliked, based on the frequency of its occurrence.
The Guanyin chapter teaches that any person who fervently recites
the name of the Bodhisattva Guanyin will be spared from the flames ofraging fires and will not be swept away by turbulent floods. Those who,
embarking on ocean voyages in search of treasure, encounter violent
storms, will escape hardship even though they are cast adrift andwashed ashore on strange lands. Those who suffer persecution and arethreatened with punishment will escape the executioner’s blade as itshatters into pieces.
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)43believers. For example, if a woman wishes for a son, she will give birth
to a son blessed with virtue and wisdom. If she wishes for a girl, shewill be granted a beautiful daughter. In short, the power of these blessings is evident, and through prayer, blessings of miraculous efficacy
will surely be received. The most frequent image of all is that of an
imminent execution scene in which the victim is literally about to be
hacked to pieces. This subject matter most vibrantly illustrates thepower of Buddhist Law possessed by the Bodhisattva Guanyin.
Ikeda: “The Lotus Sutra and Its World” exhibition also displayed acopy of a Xixia or Tangut translation, including illustrations, of the
Guanyin chapter.
The Lotus Sutra was well received on all levels of Chinese society.
On the national level, political leaders took a serious interest, and faith
in the Lotus Sutra also took root as it spread widely among the people.
Jiang: In other words, we can not ignore the major role the Lotus Sutra
played in the development of Chinese culture. Indeed, if we do notstudy the Lotus Sutra and its impact on Chinese culture, we will be
unable to fully understand the breadth and depth of Chinese culture
itself.
In as early as the seventh century, the Lotus Sutra was transmitted toJapan through the Korean peninsula.

Acceptance of Buddhism in Japan
Jiang: Now, I would like to ask you a question, Mr. Ikeda, about how
the Lotus Sutra was received in Japan. How was Buddhism, and particularly the Lotus Sutra, received in Japan in the early period after theirintroduction? And what role did Prince ShØtoku (574–622) play at thattime?
Ikeda: Buddhism was officially introduced into Japan during the middle of the sixth century. And it seems that the Lotus Sutra also wastransmitted rather early on during that same period.
A variety of obstacles had to be overcome, however, so it took sometime before the imperial court truly accepted the new religion. The Buddha, the deity of the new religion, was considered a foreign god of aforeign religion, and the court was reluctant to revere this new god justas they did the time-honored gods of old Japan. According to the Nihon
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)expounded the Lotus Sutra in lectures to Empress Suiko (554–628).
These lectures are currently the subject of debate.
Be that as it may, there is no doubt that in the face of major opposition to the adoption of Buddhism, Prince ShØtoku played a pioneeringrole in facilitating the acceptance of this foreign religion, and particularly the profound philosophical belief system presented in the Lotus
Sutra. Legend has it that the great Chinese priest Jianzhen (688–763),
known in Japan as Ganjin WajØ (venerable priest), commented on thedepth of Prince ShØtoku’s understanding of the Lotus Sutra.
Jianzhen is a figure in Buddhist history dear to the Japanese people.
He endured great hardship in his efforts to come to Japan, and evennow, the Japanese have not forgotten the great sacrifice he made forthem. It was in the year 742 that Jianzhen made the decision to travel toJapan at the fervent request of enthusiastic student priests who accompanied a Japanese embassy to Tang China. He embarked on five illfated voyages to Japan, each ending in failure. These arduous travels
left Jianzhen blinded. In 754, twelve years after his initial decision,
Jianzhen was finally able to realize his long-cherished wish to come tothe capital of Japan. At that time, he brought with him the three major
writings of the Tiantai school.
Ji: I have had the opportunity to visit TØshØdaiji temple where theimage of the seated Jianzhen is enshrined. While there, I felt as if I had,in one instant, retraced one thousand years of history to Jianzhen’s time.
I have only had this experience once before. That was in India where I
was able to view the ruins that had earlier been visited by the Chinese
Buddhist priest Xuanzang (602–664). There, I sensed the presence ofXuanzang everywhere I looked. In my recent experience, the location
had changed from India to Japan, and the personage from Xuanzang to
Jianzhen. In that venerable old temple, my eyes came to rest on thecompassionate and solemn face of Jianzhen. I felt as if I could see him
sitting cross-legged on a lotus flower dais, preaching the sutras, teaching about the Buddhist Law and conferring the precepts. Those gatheredaround him included the emperor, crown prince, aristocrats, and common folk. Not only could I see his image, I could even hear his voice.
Jianzhen loved Japan and its people with all his heart. He developed adeep appreciation, shared by the Chinese people as well, for friendly
relations between the people of China and Japan. With the desire to
spread the message of Buddhism in Japan, Jianzhen determined to leave
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Ikeda: The Japanese people must never forget Jianzhen’s generous spirit of compassion. In 1998, President Jiang Zemin, your country’s headof state, came to Japan. This was the first time in the several thousandyear history of China-Japan relations for a Chinese head of state to visit
Japan. I met with President Jiang and convey the Japanese people’s
enthusiastic welcome. As we were talking, I discovered that he originated from Yangzhou, the same area as Jianzhen. I told President Jiang,“You were committed to fostering friendly relations and so were able toovercome great difficulties to come to Japan. Jianzhen, who shares yourplace of birth and who, similarly, was a pioneer devoted to promoting
friendly relations between China and Japan, is undoubtedly overjoyedby your visit to Japan.

Saichō and the Development of Tiantai Buddhism in Japan
Jiang: Jianzhen Heshang (venerable priest) was persuaded to come to
Japan by student priests who accompanied a Japanese embassy toChina. By contrast, during the Heian period (794–1192), SaichØ, also
known as the Great Teacher DengyØ, traveled on boad an envoy’s ship
to Tang China to study the Tiantai school of Buddhism.
Ikeda: Yes, that is true.
Jiang: We know that SaichØ introduced the Tiantai school of Buddhism
to Japan, where it is known as the Tendai school. But what significance
did he give to the Lotus Sutra, and how did he propagate it in Japan?
Ikeda: SaichØ’s achievements include not only facilitating the Japanesepeople’s acceptance of the Lotus Sutra, but also the founding of theTendai school in Japan in the ninth century. I must point out that thiswas an extraordinary epoch-making accomplishment.
SaichØ taught that all sentient beings were capable of attaining
enlightenment through the “one-vehicle philosophy” of the Lotus Sutra.
While other sutras dictated that only through long, arduous training
could one become enlightened, SaichØ emphasized that the Lotus Sutra
taught that one could attain enlightenment in one’s present form.
SaichØ entreated the court for permission to build a platform on Mt.
Hiei from which to administer the precepts of Mahayana Buddhism. His
wish was granted by the emperor one week after his death. Following
SaichØ’s passing, the Tendai school became the leading Buddhist orderin Japan, and as a result, the Lotus Sutra spread throughout the country.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)In Heian period literary masterpieces such as the Tale of Genji and
Sei ShØnagon’s Pillow Book, we can see the influence of the Lotus
Sutra and Tendai “original enlightenment thought.” The Lotus Sutra
teaches that women, too, are capable of attaining enlightenment or Buddhahood, and so female adherents increased, and the idea provided theinspiration for the creation of numerous cultural contributions by
women during the Heian period.
Speaking of attainment of enlightenment by women, during the Nara
period (710–794), which preceded the Heian period, provincial nunneries were established in each region, based on the Lotus Sutra, their fundamental sacred text. Needless to say, it is clear that the Lotus Sutra had
an immeasurable influence on all aspects of Japanese culture, whether it
be on Japanese literature, the performance arts, or the everyday life of
the people.

The Fundamental Philosophy of Nichiren Daishonin
Jiang: Next, please explain to us the nature of the relationship between
the Lotus Sutra and Nichiren (1222–1282), who founded the Buddhist
tradition based on the sutra in the thirteenth century and whose teachings are fundamental to the beliefs of your organization, Soka Gakkai.
Ikeda: I will briefly summarize my answer into two main points. First,
Nichiren Daishonin established a method of religious practice, based on
the essence of the Lotus Sutra, which would enable every person toattain Buddhahood. Leading up to this development, the Daishonin had
carefully considered the sutras of Shakyamuni’s teachings and concluded that the core of his teachings is the Lotus Sutra. He determined that
Shakyamuni of India, Zhiyi (the Great Teacher Tiantai) of China,
SaichØ (the Great Teacher DengyØ) from Japan, as well as himself werethe “four teachers of the three countries” who all carried on the legitimate teachings of Buddhism. Moreover, Nichiren introduced this newform of religious practice he had developed, based on the essence of the
Lotus Sutra, as being timely and relevant to the era of the Latter Day of
the Law.
Centuries earlier, Zhiyi had set forth the principle, based on the Lotus
Sutra, of shijie huju or jikkai-gogu, “mutual possession of the Ten
Worlds,” which states that each of the Ten Worlds or states of existence
possesses the potential for all ten. This concept asserts that every individual is endowed with the innate capacity to achieve the state of Buddhahood, and therefore is able to attain enlightenment.

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Zhiyi had also taught practices to achieve Buddhahood such as meditations on yinian sanqian or ichinen-sanzen, the principle that a single
life moment possesses three thousand realms, a concept he set forth in
his work Mohe zhiguan or Great Concentration and Insight. However,this kind of religious discipline was difficult even for those who had
become monks, so, of course, it was especially unsuited for the average
person.
To provide a solution to this problem, Nichiren Daishonin presented
to believers a mandala as the object of devotion for attaining Buddhahood, based on the principles of the mutual possession of the Ten
Worlds (jikkai-gogu) and the integration of all phenomena in each single moment of life (ichinen-sanzen). He declared that every person canmanifest his or her inherent pure Buddhahood and become enlightenedby chanting the words “Namu-myØhØ-renge-kyØ” or “Homage to the
Lotus Sutra” to the Gohonzon (object of devotion).
The Daishonin taught that the Lotus Sutra’s spirit of compassion
should be embodied in every field of society in order to realize social
justice and an ideal society. The Daishonin maintained that we must
realize the ideal, as indicated in the Lotus Sutra, of what is known asshaba-soku-jakkØ, which means that the present world of suffering isnone other than the ideal world of Eternally Tranquil Light, and of
shido-soku-bukkokudo or “this very land is the Buddha land,” in order
to transform this world of suffering into a Land of Eternally Tranquil
Light or a Buddha land.
By example, Nichiren attempted to provide relief to people sufferingfrom natural disasters, famine, and disease by writing a work entitled
RisshØ ankoku ron or “On Establishing the Correct Teaching for thePeace of the Land.” The title of this work consists of two factors.
“Establishing the Correct Teaching” means that the leaders as well as
general members of society must achieve inner transformation in order
to embody the principles of the Lotus Sutra. “The Peace of the Land”
means peace and tranquility for all the peoples of the world. Nichiren’sreference to “land” or “country” in this context does not carry any hintof nationalism. In many parts of this work, he chose the Chinese character r to indicate “country,” which places the element that represents thepeople within the element that represents the national borders. This
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)THE DEVELOPMENT AND UNFOLDING OF THE PHILOSOPHY OF
THE LOTUS SUTRAThe Founding of Soka Gakkai
Ikeda: Next, let us proceed with a discussion of the Lotus Sutra in thepresent.
Jiang: That would be excellent. In today’s world, if we were to search
for the center of Lotus Sutra belief, practice and research, we wouldfind it in your country, Japan. And of all the Japanese Buddhist schoolsthat regard the Lotus Sutra their principal sacred text, Soka Gakkai isthe largest. In other words, if we want to consider the present status of
the Lotus Sutra in the world, we must think in terms of the Lotus Sutra
as it exists in Japan. Furthermore, I believe that if we want to understand the status of the Lotus Sutra in Japan, we must consider, first ofall, the present state of Soka Gakkai.
Ji: The truths and principles contained within the Lotus Sutra are ofsuch enormous breadth and depth that an outsider like myself is incapable of readily discussing the intricacies of its content. I can say, however, that the understanding of the Lotus Sutra on the part ofTsunesaburo Makiguchi (1871–1944), the first president, and Josei
Toda, the second president of Soka Gakkai, is completely consistent
with the essence of eastern philosophy as it is understood in India andChina. Mr. Makiguchi was originally an educator, wasn’t he?
Ikeda: Yes. Our first as well as second presidents were educators.
“Kyoiku,” or education, was originally a part of our organization’s
name: Soka Kyoiku Gakkai or Value Creation Education Society.

Makiguchi, Soka Gakkai’s First President, and Value Theory
Ji: President Makiguchi expressed his Philosophy of Value in this way:
“Respect for life is the single most important value in this world. Allother values derive their significance from their association to thisrespect for life.”9
Ikeda: Yes, indeed. It is just as you say. President Makiguchi considered “value” in terms of its relationship to all living creatures and theirsurvival. Makiguchi’s Philosophy of Value was a theme he pursued forJ/Orient/02 03.1.17 1:26 PM ページ 49

DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)49life. This is reflected in the name of the organization itself, i.e., Soka
Gakkai (Value Creation Society).
The most outstanding Japanese Buddhist scholar, the late Professor
Hajime Nakamura (1912–1999), lectured on this very topic.
Ji: Yes, I am quite familiar with Professor Nakamura’s work.
Ikeda: Indeed, Professor Nakamura wrote the forward for the Japaneseedition of your selected essays.10 Professor Nakamura lamented the factthat Japanese scholarship in the fields of philosophy and thought tended
to simply interpret rather than advance philosophical ideas. Whether it
be eastern or western thought, he questioned the “slavish scholasticism”
of simply carrying on the ideas of well-established philosophers andtheorists.
President Makiguchi, however, followed a different path. He was said
to believe in his own powers of thought and to insist on thinking independently as his own master. As a specific case in point, we can consider President Makiguchi’s alteration of the values in the conventional
value system of “truth, good, and beauty” or “truth, good, beauty, andspirituality.” He substituted “benefit” for the values of “truth” and “spirituality.”
Professor Nakamura discusses these concepts in this way: “One may
associate ‘benefit’ with ‘profit,’ but surprisingly, benefit is a conceptthat is integral to eastern philosophy. That which is held as most important in Buddhism is ‘the effort to benefit others’ or ‘that which is for thesake of others.’ The Sanskrit word meaning ‘for the sake of’ is ‘artha.’
The concept of the word is often rendered as ‘benefit’ or as ‘justice.’
One might argue that ‘benefit’ and ‘justice’ are different, but both
express the meaning of the concept. This seeming mismatch of meanings focuses on a pivotal aspect of the concept, i.e., that actions undertaken for the sake of others also benefit oneself.”11
Thus, Professor Nakamura shed light on Buddhist traditional concepts, and in so doing, recognized the importance of President Makiguchi’s philosophy of Value Creation.

President Toda’s “Experience of Enlightenment”
Ji: President Makiguchi and President Toda both were vehemently
opposed to the Japanese militarists’ aggression and, as a result, they
were arrested and imprisoned. While in prison, President Toda experienced a profound enlightenment which was inspired by the Lotus Sutra.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Mr. Ikeda, I believe you described his experience in your book, The
Human Revolution.12
Ikeda: Yes. That is right.
Ji: According to your account, President Toda pondered the thirty-four
negations in the Immeasurable Meanings Sutra (Wuliangyi jing orMuryØgi-kyØ), which is regarded as an introduction to the Lotus Sutra,
and contemplated long and hard the nature of Buddha’s body or entity.
He explained in clear detail that an extraordinarily wonderful state ofmind had come over him, and all of a sudden, he distinctly understoodthat the “Buddha” represented life itself.
Ikeda: President Toda explained that he had come to recognize that
“The Buddha is life itself. It is the cosmic life force that dwells withinme as well as throughout the universe.” Through this experience, President Toda’s mind had been opened to the truth of the Lotus Sutra andthe life force of the universe. He was then able to interpret the essenceof the Lotus Sutra in readily understood language and make it comealive for modern times.
Ji: President Toda writes about his experience in his essay entitled,“The Philosophy of Life.” He tells how, in an instant of religious awakening, he realized that the microcosm of his own life was one with themacrocosm of the entire universe, that is, the identity of the self and theuniverse.13
Ikeda: Through his experience of oneness with the life of the universe—eternal life—President Toda came to the realization that he is a
Bodhisattva of the Earth. He was struck with the profound awarenessthat he himself was one of the Bodhisattvas of the Earth appearing in
the Lotus Sutra. At the same time he realized that the time had come fora multitude of Bodhisattvas of the Earth to appear and save humankind
by awakening it to the truth of the Lotus Sutra. This realization of his
religious mission was a direct result of the great adversity he had experienced. Ignited by a resolute determination, President Toda set about
the postwar reconstruction and development of Soka Gakkai which had
been practically destroyed by the oppressive Japanese military authorities.
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if we want to understand the status of the Lotus Sutra in Japan, we must
consider, first of all, the present state of Soka Gakkai.” In relation to thisstatement, I must solemnly say that I am aware that conflicts exist
among the many Japanese Buddhist schools that regard the Lotus Sutraas their main sacred scripture.
However, I maintain a strictly impartial position and do not intend to
become involved in any of these debates. My impartiality is based on anunderstanding of Soka Gakkai that is founded entirely on fact and experience.
Ikeda: I think your approach is quite natural for a scholar who pursues
the truth.

Soka Gakkai’s Contribution to Peace
Jiang: As you well know, the Lotus Sutra is the core of the Philosophy
of Value authored by President Makiguchi as well as the basis of therealization President Toda gained while in prison.
Currently, as the president of Soka Gakkai International, Mr. Ikeda,
you have applied the wisdom of the Lotus Sutra, based on the Ongikuden or “The Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings”—
Nichiren’s lectures on the Lotus Sutra—and have devoted yourself todeveloping activities to ensure the happiness of humankind.
It is also my understanding that Soka Gakkai has made an outstanding contribution to efforts toward world peace. I base my statement on
the following grounds. First, President Makiguchi carried on the spiritof Nichiren who spread the Law at the risk of his life. He fought against
Japan’s fascist government for the sake of peace and was thrown into
prison and died a martyr for his beliefs. Second, on September 8, 1957,
President Toda sought to safeguard peace by resisting international aswell as domestic pressures and issuing the historically significant Declaration against Atomic and Hydrogen Bombs.
Ikeda: Our first two presidents shared a profound desire for the happiness of all people. This was their long-cherished hope. They knew thatwithout peace on the national level, the happiness and well-being of thepeople would be elusive.
Jiang: Third, following in the footsteps of your predecessors, and as thethird president of Soka Gakkai, Mr. Ikeda, on September 8, 1968, you
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)1997, you made ten formal goodwill visits to China, thereby contributing greatly to amicable relations between Japan and China.
Ikeda: Thank you for your kind remarks. This year (2002) we commemorated the thirtieth anniversary of the normalization of diplomatic
relations between China and Japan. My hope is that the peoples ofChina and Japan will move forward together by joining their hearts andminds to work for the sake of peace and development in Asia.
Jiang: Fourth, Mr. Ikeda, you have shown by your efforts as the president of Soka Gakkai International that you are deeply committed toovercoming the various differences of religion, culture, and ethnicity bycontinuing to engage in dialogue with a wide range of prominent
national leaders and cultural representatives. Beginning in 1972 with a
dialogue with Dr. Arnold Toynbee, the well-known English historian,
you have continued these dialogues for the past thirty years. You havealso engaged in many highly significant efforts to build a firm foundation for an enduring world peace.
Fifth, in August of 1983, Mr. Ikeda, you were awarded the United
Nations Peace Award. The historical account of your many accolades
demonstrates that the world’s peoples hold you in high esteem for yourcontributions toward peace for humankind.
This is the basis of my statement that my understanding of Soka
Gakkai is founded entirely on facts and my own experience.

The Achievements of Daisaku Ikeda, the Third Presidentof Soka Gakkai
Ikeda: You are too kind. I believe that dialogue is the key to achieving
peace, and this is the belief on which all my work has been based. I
believe that if people open their hearts and communicate with eachother, the resolution to any problem is attainable. Mutual understanding
and trust form the foundation for peace.
Jiang: I may have a superficial understanding of Soka Gakkai; however, the insights I have gained thus far have broadened my perspective.
Based on my observations, it seems that Soka Gakkai, the Buddhist
order which regards the Lotus Sutra as its primary scripture, is now
endeavoring to discern ways to research the depth and breadth of the
Lotus Sutra’s message and present it clearly in the context of modern
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)53wisdom of the Lotus Sutra and lead modern society toward the answers
it seeks to the problems confronting it.
Furthermore, Soka Gakkai seeks to discover how to spread Buddhist
philosophy, centered on the Lotus Sutra, far and wide among all theworld’s peoples. Understanding this has most definitely expanded myhorizons.
Ikeda: Professor Jiang, I have great respect for your insights as well as
your humility. I can only say that we have single-mindedly pursued
efforts to bring about world peace and happiness for humankind. We set
about our work with a sense of urgency and passionate commitment,
vowing to do whatever it takes to achieve this goal. We are indeed
grateful for the high esteem with which we are regarded by truly wisescholars such as yourselves.
Jiang: Mr. Ikeda, I would also like to mention that, thanks to yourbroad vision and keen insight, you have made extraordinary efforts topromote the steady advance of friendly exchanges between China andJapan. In recognition of your contributions, you have been awarded
numerous honorary degrees from prestigious institutions such as Peking
University, Fudan University, Wuhan University, Shenzhen University,
Xiamen (Amoy) University, and the Museum of the Xinjiang Uygur
Autonomous Region. In addition, the Chinese Academy of social Sciences awarded you the title of honorary research professor, and the
Lüshun Museum conferred on you the title of honorary member.
Among the other awards and recognitions you have received are thePeace and Friendship Cup from the Chinese People’s Association forFriendship with Foreign Countries and the China-Japan Friendship
Association, the China Art Contribution Award from the Chinese Ministry of Culture, the title of Peace Messenger from the China-Japan
Friendship Association, and the title of Friendship Ambassador from the
Chinese People’s Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries.
Also, an exhibition of your photographs assembled under the title“Dialogue with Nature and Peace” has been displayed in Beijing,
Shanghai, and the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. To add to thisimpressive list of awards and achievements, over twenty of your written
works have been published in China. And, several years ago, a quote ofyours received widespread attention when it appeared on a signboard in
the Shanghai subway. I must also make special mention of your historically significant meeting, as president of Soka Gakkai, with the late Premier Zhou Enlai in December of 1974. This event clearly reveals that

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)your endeavors represent the hopes of humankind in its quest for world
peace, the fundamental birthright of all humankind.
In the course of your efforts toward peace, you have had to overcome
all manner of obstacles and will surely enjoy the appreciation of people
from every corner of society.
Ikeda: Your country, China, has been Japan’s benefactor since ancient
times. Japan has received many cherished cultural gifts from China,
including Buddhism.
Though perhaps insignificant, over the years I have hoped to repay
this great debt by doing as much as I can, little by little. So, I am very
pleased by your generous appraisal of my efforts. I firmly pledge tocontinue do my utmost, together with you, my esteemed colleagues, tocontribute to friendly relations between China and Japan as we work
toward peace throughout the entire world.

Wisdom to Create the Future
Ikeda: Now that we have reflected on the past and contemplated thepresent, next, on this foundation, I would like to visualize the future as
it may unfold.
Jiang: The history of human societal development points toward a progressively greater unity throughout the entire world. Despite the trend,
however, it will not be smooth sailing on the voyage to realize this global unity. Rather, it is certain to be an extremely unpredictable and complex journey. In truth, when human beings today consider the prospects
for the future, they are not as optimistic and confident as their predecessors. The reason is that people now are apprehensive about the many
global crises that seriously challenge the world today.
Ikeda: Though a wave of global unity has spread over the earth, at thesame time, a grim darkness has engulfed humankind. This is why weearnestly seek a glimmer of hope to penetrate the gloom and rend thedarkness.
Jiang: A common thread links every global crisis. We must realize thateach crisis is global in nature and has a broad impact on all aspects oflife as we know it. Now that people are aware that they face a common
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Objectively speaking, the impact of human activities has broughtmodern man to a crossroads. As a point of departure for discovering a
resolution to our problems, we must, first and foremost, protect thecommon interests fundamental to all human life.
Ikeda: I agree. Above all, human beings are fundamentally importance.
It is inexcusable to build one’s happiness on the misfortune of others.
We must, first of all, guarantee those aspects of life that benefit thebroadest number of people. Most importantly, we must go beyond theminute differences that separate us from one another and join forces toaccomplish this goal.
Jiang: Only through efforts in which we collaboratively pursue ourhopes, discover the right course and clearly identify our way will we beable to confidently and smoothly advance in the twenty-first century.
Ikeda: I am in complete agreement.
Ji: A Chinese proverb states, “The year begins with spring, and a day
begins with the morning.” At the beginning of the twenty-first century, I
believe that we must ask ourselves, as leaders and as world citizens,
how do we want humankind to live during the next hundred years of
this century, or the next thousand years? When we think about theworld’s problems, it will not do to divorce ourselves from reality.
As we enter another one thousand-year chapter of human history, I
feel that what we, the world’s people, need is peace, understanding, andgoodwill. To manifest these conditions, I am hopeful that we canincreasingly foster acceptance of eastern philosophy, including the philosophy of Mahayana Buddhism.
Jiang: As we give thought to the future, I firmly believe that the Lotus
Sutra overflows with a profound wisdom expressed in the concept ofequality, a spirit of compassion, and a philosophy of unity. These elements have enabled the Lotus Sutra to exert enormous influence overvast geographical regions for a span of over two thousand years. Even
more so in the present, the Lotus Sutra has attracted large numbers offollowers as well as researchers.
Soka Gakkai International (SGI), especially, has been responsible forclearly revealing the spirit of the Lotus Sutra in harmony with the times
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)to the pursuit of peace and to cultural and educational programs for theenrichment of all the world’s peoples. Accordingly, through these
efforts the Lotus Sutra will inevitably spread widely during the twentyfirst century to all the peoples of the world. I am very certain of this.
And I am very sure that we will see a resurgence of research on the
Lotus Sutra in the twenty-first century.

Research on Lotus Sutra Manuscripts
Ikeda: We are continuing our publication program to encourage scholarly contributions to Lotus Sutra research by commissioning the Institute of Oriental Philosophy to manage and prepare the publication of
Lotus Sutra manuscript texts and facsimiles. We are also deeply appreciative of Professor Ji’s and Professor Jiang’s considerable assistancewith our efforts. Professor Ji was kind enough to write the foreword to
the volume of the Lüshun manuscripts. (Sanskrit Lotus Sutra Fragmentsfrom the Lüshun Museum Collection, Facsimile Edition and Romanized
Text)
Ji: The Lüshun manuscripts are fragmentary but extremely significant.
This is because, of the numerous Lotus Sutra manuscripts, these areamong the earliest. That is why Soka Gakkai’s publication of thesemanuscripts is of such great importance.
Ikeda: Thank you. We believe so, too. Professor Jiang, who helpedwith the romanization of the text and provided detailed commentary,also made a crucial contribution to the publication.
Jiang: I believe that by announcing its publication plans for the Lotus
Sutra manuscripts, Soka Gakkai has already sparked a renascent interest
in Lotus Sutra research. Exactly one and a half centuries have passed
since the mid-nineteenth century when scholars around the world began
conducting research on the Lotus Sutra manuscripts.
The Lüshun manuscripts publication will assuredly be considered avaluable contribution to scholarship by scholars everywhere who areinterested in the Lotus Sutra. This is because there had been no opportunity (with a few exceptions) to view the oldest extant Sanskrit Lotus
Sutra manuscripts among the Lüshun manuscripts. Possible evidenceshows that fragments of the Lüshun manuscripts are from the same
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Ikeda: We have thus far published the following texts in our Lotus
Sutra Manuscript Series:
1. Sanskrit Lotus Sutra Fragments from the Lüshun Museum Collection, Facsimile Edition and Romanized Texts
2.1 Sanskrit Lotus Sutra Manuscript from the National Archives of
Nepal (No. 4-21), Facsimile Edition
2.2 Sanskrit Lotus Sutra Manuscript from the National Archives of
Nepal (No. 4-21), Romanized Text 1
3. Fragments of a Manuscript of the Saddharmapuˆ∂ar¥kasËtra
from Khådaliq (Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region in China)
4. Sanskrit Lotus Sutra Manuscripts from Cambridge University
Library (Add. 1682 and Add. 1683), Facsimile Edition
The following titles are scheduled for publication:
5. Sanskrit Lotus Sutra Manuscript from the University of Tokyo
General Library (No. 414), Romanized Text
6. Xixia Lotus Sutra Texts from the St. Petersburg Branch of theInstitute of Oriental Studies, Russian Academy of Sciences, Facsimile
Edition
7. Sanskrit Lotus Sutra Manuscript from the Tibetan Autonomous
Region, China, Romanized Text
Jiang: Making the precious Lotus Sutra manuscripts available to theworld is extremely significant. This is an important contribution tointernational studies of the Lotus Sutra, a development that surely will
be welcomed enthusiastically by many scholars.

From Division to Unity
Ikeda: The spirit of unity embodied in the Lotus Sutra is the wellspringfrom which flows the power to heal the misery of division and conflict,ease people’s anguish, and foster a dynamic and harmonious tranquility.
This conviction is the basis for all of my activities.
Today, at the root of the problems plaguing modern society is anundertow of division and animosity. A unifying philosophical foundation is needed to overcome this negative force. The spirit of unity
espoused in the Lotus Sutra truly is the bright light of truth that illuminates the depths of darkness.
Ji: To be sure, since the industrial revolution in the West, people have inno small way benefited from the conquest of nature. This is a truism ofmodern life. However, at the same time, this conquest has been fraught

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)with numerous tangible and intangible catastrophes. Among these are,for example, environmental pollution, destruction of the delicate balance of the ecosystem, species extinction, the population explosion, theoccurrence of new diseases, a shortage of freshwater resources, and anincrease in interpersonal animosity and intercultural conflict.
If an appropriate solution for even one of these problems is notfound, the future survival of humankind will be endangered. I do notbelieve in predictions that the demise of human life on earth is imminent. However, we can not just sit back and pretend that the problems I
have just mentioned do not exist.
Ikeda: That is exactly right. I firmly believe that we must learn fromthe wisdom of the Lotus Sutra if we wish to pave the way for a bright
future. If we are able to do so, humankind will benefit from the cultural
knowledge of the many diverse cultures of the earth and discover a way
to cultivate a consciousness of holism and humanity.
Ji: That is my conviction as well. To reverse the effects of the various
afflictions brought about by the central tenet of western science, i.e., thedomination of man over nature, we must seek answers in the Lotus
Sutra and eastern philosophy. I believe that if we adopt this philosophy
as a guide for the twenty-first century and beyond, only then may we beable to save humankind.

Peace and the Development of Autonomy
Jiang: I think that the key to solving all the world’s problems lies inresolving two major issues. The first is the problem of the relationships
between people. The other is the issue of the relationship between people and the environment. In other words, the two major problems arethose of peace and development. Of the two, the most important is the
problem of bringing about peace. The reason is that peace is necessary
for development. Without peaceful conditions, it is impossible to foster
development.
Therefore, we have to say that the problem of establishing peace isthe most urgent and critical among all the problems facing humankind.
The kind of development that we must promote must further contributeto world peace and be linked to the common prosperity and welfare ofhumankind.
Ikeda: Very well said. The key to achieving these goals is people. It is

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to the current realities.
Jiang: Without a doubt, if we are to effectively deal with the problemsof peace and development, we must rely on the long-term and committed cooperation of people in every country of the world. The United
Nations is already tackling the issues of the environment, population,
food problems, world peace, and social development by holding international conferences devoted to each topic. Countries entering into
regional organizations of various kinds frequently meet to discuss issuesof primary concern to their region, for example, the formation of a
nuclear-free zone. These kinds of efforts are definitely extremely important and totally indispensable.
However, the activities of the United Nations and individual countries
are by themselves inadequate to address the challenges we face. That
which is necessary and imperative to supplement these efforts is theenergy of the people of every nation in the world. This energy can betapped with the cooperation of the leaders of civic organizations andNGOs (non-governmental organizations). People are the primary creators of human civilization. Therefore, ultimately, the hope of humancivilization lies in people, the creators of civilization.
Ikeda: Yes, that is so true. Each one of us is an agent of change. We
hold the responsibility for creating a bright and hopeful future.
Jiang: The greatest desire within the heart of every person, no matter
what nationality, is for the realization of world peace and a spirit ofunity among humankind. There can be no doubt that every individual
shares the same feelings, ideals, and beliefs for achieving world peaceand global harmony. Movements that are able to express these sentiments and stir people’s hopes for a peaceful world will surely be welcomed universally by all the world’s peoples.
Ikeda: Yes, the people are wise. They have a keen ability to distinguishwhat is truly superior. And only those ideas and movements that attractwidespread popular support will survive.
I believe that further in-depth inquiry and extensive examination of
the Lotus Sutra are important to furthering human happiness and creating a bright future for humankind. My hope and anticipation is fortwenty-first century research on the Lotus Sutra to become a comprehensive inquiry drawing upon the accumulated wisdom of humankind.

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Ji: Yes, it will be eastern philosophy that saves the human race!
Ikeda: Thank you, gentlemen. My best wishes to both of you for continued success in your research efforts—efforts through which I hopethat we may together actively seek to create a more hopeful future forhumankind.

Postscript/Obituary: With great sorrow, we must announce that Prof.
Jiang Zhongxin passed away in a Beijing hospital on October 7, 2002.
He was 60. It was a great loss for the world’s studies in Buddhism. We
express our deepest condolences to his bereaved family members andcolleagues. At the same time, we dedicate the last installment of his dialogue with Prof. Ji Xianlin and Mr. Daisaku Ikeda carried in this issue
as a paean to the precious contributions he has made in philological
Buddhist studies.

NOTES
K. R. Norman, tr., The Word of the Doctrine (Dhammapada) (Oxford: The Pali
Text Society, 2000), p. 56.
2
K. R. Norman, tr., The Group of Discourses (Sutta-nipåta), volume II (Oxford: The
Pali Text Society, 1995), p.16.
3“Zai lun yuanshi Fojiao yuyan wenti” (A Second Discussion on the Language
Problems of Primeval Buddhism), Ji Xianlin wenji, di san juan: Yindu gudai yuyan(The Writings of Ji Xianlin, Volume 3: The Language of Ancient India) (Nanchang:
Jiangxi jiaoyu chubanshe, 1998), p. 418.
4“Lun Fanben ‘Sheng shenghui daobi’an gongde baoji ji’” (On the Sanskrit “Óryaprajñåpåramitå-ratnaguˆa-saµcaya-gåthå”), Ji Xianlin wenji, di qi juan: Fojiao (TheWritings of Ji Xianlin, Volume 7: Buddhism) (Nanchang: Jiangxi jiaoyu chubanshe,
1998), p. 259.
5
TaishØ shinshË daizØkyØ, volume 25 (Tokyo: TaishØ shinshË daizØkyØ kankØ kai,
1924–29), p. 506, a.
6Toda JØsei zenshË, dai san kan: Ronbun kØen hen (Collected Works of Josei Toda,
Volume Three: Articles and Speeches) (Tokyo: SeikyØ shimbun sha, 1983), p. 56.
7
The Writings of Nichiren Daishonin (Tokyo: Soka Gakkai, 1999), p. 641.
8
Nichiren DaishØnin gosho zenshË (Collected Works of Nichiren Daishonin)(Tokyo: Soka Gakkai, 1952), p. 1007.
9
Makiguchi TsunesaburØ zenshË, dai go kan: SØka kyØikugaku taikei, jØ (Collected
Works of Tsunesaburo Makiguchi, Volume Five: Education for Creative Living, no. 1)(Tokyo: Daisanbunmei sha, 1982), p. 232.
10Ji Xianlin, tr. Yoshiie Yoda, ChËgoku chishikijin no seishinshi: Ki Senrin sanbunshË, jØ ge (The Spiritual History of a Chinese Intellectual: Selected Essays of Ji Xianlin,vols. 1 and 2) (Tokyo: Hokuju shuppan, 1990).
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)61Hajime Nakamura, “Beyond Servile Scholarship: Frustration and Working Out of
Comparative Philosophy,” Studies in Comparative Philosophy (no. 5, March 1989), pp.
1–9. (Address in commemoration of the 15th anniversary of the Japanese Association
for Comparative Philosophy, delivered at its 15th conference held in Tokyo in June 4,
1988.)
12
Daisaku Ikeda, The Human Revolution, vol. 2 (New York and Tokyo: John Weatherhill, Inc., 1974), pp. 130–139.
13
Toda JØsei zenshË, dai san kan: Ronbun kØen hen (Collected Works of Josei Toda,
Volume Three: Articles and Speeches) (Tokyo: SeikyØ shimbun sha, 1983), pp. 5–22.
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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Ji Xianlin
Born 1911 in Qingping (now Linqing), China. Graduated from
Tsinghua University in 1934. Traveled to Germany in 1935 andspent the years 1936–1945 at the University of Göttingen studying
the ancient languages of India and Tocharian, receiving a PhD
from the university in 1941. Returned to China in 1946 to post of
professor at the Department of Oriental Languages of Peking University. Subsequently held a variety of posts including head (dean)of the Department of Oriental Languages; Vice-President of
Peking University; member of the Philosophy and Social Sciences
Division of the Chinese Academy of Sciences; member of the
National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative
Conference; member of the Standing Committee of the People’s
Republic of China National People’s Congress; President of the
Linguistics Society of China, and President of the China Comparative Literature Society. Current posts include President of the Chinese Dunhuang-Turpan Society. Major works include a collectionof essays on ancient Indian languages; The Language Problems ofPrimeval Buddhism; Papers on the History of Sino-Indian Cultural
Relations; Papers of Ji Xianlin on Buddhist Studies; China andEastern Cultures; Tocharian Studies; Translation from the Tokharian Maitreyasamitinataka; A History of Sugar, and Collation andAnnotation on “Records of the Western Regions of the Great Tang
Dynasty” (editor-in-chief). Translated works include Råmåyaˆaand Íakuntalå and prose: Ji Xianlin: Essays and Studying in Germany for Ten Years.
Jiang Zhongxin
Born 1942 in Shanghai. Graduated 1965 from the Department ofOriental Languages of Peking University, becoming a research
assistant at the Institute of History at the Chinese Academy ofSocial Sciences. 1979 appointed Assistant Research Fellow at the
Chinese Academy of Social Sciences/Peking University Instituteof South Asian Studies; 1986 an Associate Research Fellow at the
Chinese Academy of Social Sciences Institute of Asia-PacificStudies, and 1991 a Professorial Research Fellow of the same
Institute. Major works include Saddharmapuˆ∂ar¥kasËtra: a Sanskrit Palm-leaf Manuscript Kept in the Library of the Cultural

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DIALOGUES ON EASTERN WISDOM (2)Palace of the Nationalities (facsimile edition), A Sanskrit Manuscript of Saddharmapuˆ∂ar¥ka Kept in the Library of the Cultural
Palace of the Nationalities, Beijing (romanized text), The Laws of
Manu: Translation and Annotation, Collation and Annotation on“Records of the Western Regions of the Great Tang Dynasty”(coeditor), A Modern Chinese Translation of “Records of the Western Regions of the Great Tang Dynasty” (co-translator), Sanskrit
Lotus Sutra Fragments from the Lüshun Museum Collections. In
1990 awarded the “Commendation for young and middle-aged
experts of most illustrious contributions” by the Ministry of Personnel of the People’s Republic of China.
Daisaku Ikeda
Born 1928 in Tokyo. Honorary president of Soka Gakkai. President of Soka Gakkai International (SGI). As a Buddhist leader,author, poet and educator has launched numerous initiatives inareas such as peace, the environment and education, lectured atuniversities on these topics, always with an underlying theme of
the “humanism” of Buddhism, and engaged in dialogue with manynational and cultural leaders and academics worldwide. Founderof numerous educational institutions including the Soka Kindergarten, Soka Elementary School, Soka Junior and Senior HighSchools and Soka University, plus academic research institutions
and peace organizations including the Toda Institute for Global
Peace and Policy Research, Institute of Oriental Philosophy andBoston Research Center for the 21st Century, and cultural institutions such as the Tokyo Fuji Art Museum and Min-On Concert
Association. Ikeda is also author of over 100 publications including a novel, The Human Revolution (in 12 volumes), and collecteddialogues including Choose Life: A Dialogue (with Arnold Toynbee), Spiritual Lessons of the Twentieth Century (with Mikhail
Gorbachev), and Quest for a Bright New Century (with Jin Yong).
The majority of these works have been translated and published in
English, Chinese and numerous other languages. Awarded theUnited Nations Peace Medal in 1983. Recipient of honorary professorships and doctorates from many universities around theworld, including Peking University.

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