Interview with Ara Kenichi, researcher of modern and contemporary history

After All, the Nanking Incident Was Propaganda WarfareCommunist China didn’t mention “Nanking” for over forty years
Who really were those American missionaries that made up the massacre picture?
Interviewer: December this year marks the 70th anniversary of the fall of Nanking which took
place in 1937, and subsequently there has been much talk about the “Nanking Incident”. As towhat really happened then in Nanking, historical facts have been largely verified and a recent
movement to reexamine the Nanking Incident in the light of intelligence and propaganda warfare
has become a new trend.
Mr. Ara, your new book entitled Saikensho: Nankin De Hontowa Naniga Okottaka(Reexamination: What Really Happened in Nanking) was published at the end of this October(publisher: Tokuma Shoten), and in the book you seem to present the whole picture of the
Nanking issue from the viewpoint of wartime propaganda. Now, we would like to ask you to
speak once again about the major aspects of propaganda warfare in regards to the “Nanking
Massacre” on this special occasion of the 70th anniversary of the fall of Nanking.
After seventy years, the whole picture of the propaganda warfare has come to light
Ara: I think the 70th anniversary of the fall of Nanking is a very good opportunity to look backupon the Nanking Incident. In the past, I think efforts to explain the Incident were mostly
makeshift, as whenever the “Nanking Massacre” proponents in China and Japan alike claimed thisand that, we opponents would refute back accordingly. However, as many years have passed, thetruth seems to have come out by itself. So, as I just mentioned, the passage of seventy years is agood occasion to reexamine the whole picture of the Incident, or to have a bird’s-eye view of the
Nanking Incident.
With this in mind, I wrote the book Reexamination: What Really Happened in Nanking, and theprocess made me particularly aware of some interesting facts, such as that during the past seventy
years, it was as late as about fifteen years ago that the Chinese Communist Party began
mentioning the “Nanking Massacre.” For the previous forty years or so, the Chinese Communist
government scarcely spoke a word about the “Nanking Massacre.” Today, whenevercontroversies arise between Japan and China over historical matters, the “Nanking Massacre” istaken up as the staple and symbolic issue, which gives the impression that the Chinese
Communist Party has been claiming since the beginning that a massacre was committed.
However, that is not true. Rather, it is Chiang Kai-shek’s Nationalist Party that first mentioned the“Nanking Massacre” and continued to unwaveringly assert it after the War.
In particular, it has been verified over the past ten years that the allegation condemning Japan fora great massacre in Nanking first started as propaganda warfare contrived by Chiang Kai-shek’s
Nationalist Party. This is another example of how the passage of time will lead to new evidence.
The most convincing fact is that though the book entitled What War Means: Japanese Terror in
China had long been considered powerful proof of the massacre in Nanking, it turned out to be
merely a propaganda book of the Nationalist Party.
As I presume many people already know that, I’ll just briefly explain the book. This book, What
War Means, was edited by a Shanghai correspondent named Harold Timperley for the Manchester
Guardian, a famed British paper, and published in London in July 1938, the year following thefall of Nanking. The book is composed of various reports by anonymous Europeans andAmericans residing in Nanking at the time Nanking surrendered. The contents describe how theJapanese Army randomly committed slaughters and other violent crimes when they occupied
Nanking. The fact that the book was published in the year following the battle of Nanking andthat a journalist compiled what third-party Europeans and Americans, neither on the Chinese nor
Japanese side, witnessed in the city gave the book credence. It had been highly esteemed as asource of objective historical material for a long time. By the way, through an examination
conducted in the postwar years, it was determined that the anonymous European and American
witnesses turned out to be real Americans, Professor Miner Searle Bates of Nanking University
and a missionary named George Fitch, both of whom were in Nanking at the timeOn the other hand, among scholars who have some doubts about the claim that a great massacretook place, What War Means has been a dubious book, for the book’s contents greatly differ fromother primary source materials and testimonies made by Japanese witnesses. And correspondent
Timperley also has been a somewhat questionable figure.
About twenty-five years ago, I myself tried to interview Japanese military personnel, journalists
and diplomats in order to learn first-hand what they actually saw in Nanking at the time and wrote
their accounts in my book entitled Kikigaki Nankin Jiken (Interviews with Witnesses to the
Nanking Incident). None of the interviewees witnessed the Japanese military randomly killing
Chinese soldiers and civilians or raping Chinese women. So, I found out that What War Means
describes events quite differently from what the Japanese witnessed and I could not help but thinkthat this correspondent Timperley was far from reliable, but I had not yet gathered enough proof
to say he was wrong.
Later on, little by little, it was revealed that Timperley had something to do with the Central
Propaganda Department of Chiang Kai-shek’s government and it also turned out that the Central
Propaganda Department had had a hand in the publication of the book, according to Suzuki
Akira’s Shin “Nankin Daigyakusatsu” No Maboroshi (New Edition, The Illusion of the “Nanking
Massacre”) and other sources.
The most decisive of all is the discovery by Professor Kitamura Minoru of Ritsumeikan
University of the book Autobiography by Zeng Xubai, head of the International Propaganda
Office of the Nationalist Party’s Central Propaganda Department. In the autobiography, Zengdescribes that he provided funds to Timperley to write the book. This makes it clear that
Timperley was anything but a neutral journalist, that he was an advisor to the Central Propaganda
Department of the Nationalist Party, and that this particular book was published for the purpose of
spreading propaganda worldwide with funds provided by the Nationalist Party (Nankin Jiken No
Tankyu, 2001, The Politics of Nanjing, 2007).
According to the documents discovered by Professor Higashinakano Shudo of Asia University, it
has been confirmed that What War Means was, in fact, an anti-enemy propaganda book, producedby the Central Propaganda Department (Nankin Jiken—Kokuminto Gokuhi Bunsho Kara
Yomitoku, Top-Secret Chinese Nationalist Documents Reveal the Truth About the Nanking
Incident, 2006).
Interviewer: So, the dominant source material hitherto of the “Nanking Massacre” finally turns
out to be a product of propaganda warfare.
Ara: Exactly. In fact, this was especially impressive to me. Ever since I began to doubt
Timperley’s credibility, I interviewed three Japanese who had had actual contact with Timperleyat that time. They were Matsumoto Shigeharu, Shanghai branch chief of the Domei News
Agency; Hidaka Shinrokuro, diplomatic attaché at the Japanese Embassy in Nanking, Ministry ofForeign Affairs; and Utsunomiya Naotaka, press officer of the Japanese Army’s Shanghai Special
Mission Department. I asked them about Timperley and what they thought of him. The three ofthem were perfect gentlemen themselves and all of them firmly commented that Timperley was
not a villain at all, but a well-mannered gentleman.
After all, even men of high characters and intelligence failed to really see who Timperley was.
Was Timperley so good at masquerading? Or, were the Japanese so poor at handling propaganda
wars as they are now? Honestly, I cannot help but feel perplexed.
Propaganda is heavier than politics
Ara: For all that, however, we cannot simply conclude that in the Nanking Incident, Timperley
and the Nationalist Party’s propaganda department deceived three respectable Japanese. The
Nanking Incident is an all-out propaganda operation conducted not only the by propaganda organ
but also the entire Nationalist Party, including Chiang Kai-shek himself. My latest book,Reexamination: What Really Happened in Nanking reviews the Incident with the focus on thispoint, as one of the major factors.
Let me put it this way. After the fall of Nanking, the Nationalist government moved to Hankou,
and resorted to the power of propaganda now that the Chinese had lost the capital of Nanking.
Their propaganda method was first to proclaim the valor of the Chinese military personnel andthen to condemn the Japanese military as atrocious.
My research this time has revealed that on a very timely occasion, in January 1938, Timperley
was called to Hankou and met with Chiang Kai-shek. In February, after the meeting, Chiang Kai-

shek established the political department and in April, the anti-enemy propaganda office wascreated, thereupon propaganda activities were well under way.
After all, it was a propaganda operation in which the Nationalist Party was fully involved andChiang Kai-shek was also closely involved. In fact, Chiang Kai-shek once commented, “Politics
is heavier than military, and propaganda is heavier than politics.” To Chiang Kai-shek, the SinoJapanese Incident was nothing more than propaganda warfare.
Interviewer: In your book, examples of reporting lies and fabrications on the part of the
Nationalist Party abounds, such as the battle of Shanghai prior to the battle of Nanking, and later
the battle at Taierzhuang, the incident of the destroyed embankment at the Huang He (the Yellow
River), the battle at De’an and so on.
Ara: Briefly speaking, first, on the day after Japan and China clashed in Shanghai, that is, August
14, 1937, an incident occurred in which two leading Shanghai hotels, the Cathay Hotel and thePacific Hotel, and an amusement hall called Da Shijie (The Great World) were bombarded andsome Europeans and Americans as well as many Chinese were killed. At the time, the Chinese
news agency reported that Japanese fighter planes attacked downtown Shanghai and caused
numerous casualties among Chinese citizens, Europeans and Americans. This news reached the
U.S. and France.
However, the fact was that Chinese fighter planes attempted to attack a Japanese warshipanchored on the bank of the Huang Pujiang, which the hotels faced. The Japanese warship thenreturned fire, and taken aback by this counterattack, the Chinese fighter pilots blindly dropped
bombs on the hotels and the amusement hall. The bombardment was eye-witnessed by a United
Press correspondent, since the American news agency UP had its branch office in the bombarded
Cathay Hotel.
On August 28, two weeks after the disastrous bombing, Japanese fighters bombarded Shanghai
South Station in an attempt to shut down Chinese logistic routes. A moving episode was thenreported. A picture of a baby, having miraculously survived the bombing and crying all alone in
the debris, was shown in a newsreel throughout the United States. The image was seen by 25
million Americans and was then spread to the rest of the world. Such Japanese atrocity,
victimizing a tiny, helpless baby, instantly gave a profound impression on viewers worldwide.
But this newsreel image, again, turned out to be a product of propaganda. Chiang Kai-shek’sfavorite photographer named Wang put an abandoned baby on the railroad track at the stationright after the bombing and took a picture of it. It was a staged photo.
After the battle of Nanking took place in December 1937, the Chinese propaganda campaign
went on. On April 10, 1938, at Taierzhuang in the Shandong province, the Japanese Armyencountered a large segment of the Chinese Army and temporarily retreated. The Chinese
Nationalist Party advertised this as their glorious victory and subsequently a colorful celebration,
including a grand civil parade and fireworks, was held in the new capital of Hankou. This
“glorious victory” was also reported in Time magazine in the U.S. However, this is sheer
demagoguery. On June 9, the Nationalist Party announced that the de-embankment on the Yellow
River was attributed to random bombing by the Japanese Army, which was actually done by the
Chinese Army. On October 10, the Nationalist Party reported that the battle fought around De’an
had been won by the Chinese Army. The report was another piece of demagogic propaganda.
For example, regarding the de-embankment of the Yellow River, Guo Moruo, who was at thetime in charge of the Third Department (department chief) operating the anti-enemy propaganda
mission, recollects in his memoir that the destruction of the Yellow River banks was done“according to our anti-enemy propaganda, by the enemy’s random bombing, but in reality, ourfront commanders destroyed the banks following an order from the top brass”, and thus confessedthat the incident was demagoguery. Moreover, he added, “the damage inflicted upon the enemy
by the flooding was only limited, while far more civilian lives and property were lost than we had
anticipated,” and thus he admits that the whole operation was a failed strategy.
Interviewer: In short, both before and after the battle of Nanking, wartime propaganda wasconsistently conducted, advertising Chinese victories and Japanese military atrocities. Is thatright?
Ara: That’s right. The battle of Nanking was not the first time the Chinese began to assert
demagogic propaganda. Saying that white is black is consistent Chinese strategy. If you put thebattle of Nanking in this context, it is almost impossible for once to believe that the Chinese
assertion is based on historical facts, as far as Nanking is concerned.
The true identities of the missionaries
Interviewer: To summarize the story, at that time of the fall of Nanking, those who were in
Nanking were Chinese, Japanese military personnel, and hundreds of Japanese newspaper
reporters, besides, also a few foreign missionaries and correspondents. Among them, the one
journalist that made a book out of the letters of foreign missionaries was far from being a goodwilled third person, but was in fact an advisor to the Nationalist Party’s Propaganda Department,
and What War Means was published as a propaganda book for the Nationalist Party. If so, themissionaries who wrote those letters which are found in the book cannot have been innocent
outsiders.
Ara: Some Japanese are apt to think of foreigners and missionaries as naturally neutral, “third
persons with good intention”. But that is wrong. They were clearly on the side of the Chinese.
Rather, the missionaries living in Nanking fully cooperated in the Chinese propaganda war
waged by the Nationalist Party between 1937 and 1938. Moreover, it was none other than thesemissionaries who stood up in the court of the Tokyo Trials and testified that a massacre did
actually take place. In that sense, it is justifiably concluded that the American missionaries were
the greatest contributors to the Nanking Massacre propaganda campaign contrived by the
Nationalist Party.
Regarding Professor Bates of the University of Nanking and Rev. Fitch, who contributed reports
to What War Means, Bates served as an advisor to the government of the Republic of China andwas very closely related to the Central Propaganda Department of the Nationalist Party. Fitch wasa close friend of the Nationalist Party top brass, and he went back to the U.S. in the spring of 1938
with the photographs which a clergyman named Rev. John Magee had filmed, and during his sixmonth-long propaganda activity at home, persisted in persuading Undersecretary of State
Hornbeck, the U.S. Congress and newspapers into believing that the Japanese Army had
committed atrocities.
Furthermore, Fitch was an ultra-anti-Japanese proponent. Take Korean independence fighter
Kim Gu, for instance. Kim was the mastermind behind two terrorist attacks, namely, a failed
attempt to assassinate Emperor Showa in 1932 and a bombing incident in Shanghai. After the
Shanghai attempt, Kim escaped and hid himself in Fitch’s house which was located in the French
concession. Fitch let Kim stay in this sanctuary for over a month, while Kim sent out a statement
to news agencies from this safe hiding place.
Incidentally, besides missionaries, there were also American newspaper reporters who were antiJapanese journalists. For example, a reporter named Archibald Steele of the Chicago Daily News
became a target of arrest, ordered by the Manchurian police, for having contacted a Chinese
military-man named Ma Zhanshan, who had changed allegiance against Japan after the Mukden
Incident. Another reporter named McDonald of the Times stood in the front row of an antiJapanese demonstration held in Beijing, a year before the Nanking Incident. Famous New YorkTimes correspondent Tillman Durdin was also so extremely biased toward the Chinese side that in
his actual reporting he defined the Japanese Army as “aggressors” from the very start of his
articles. Many people met Durdin after the War and most felt that he was not so prejudiced
against the Japanese, but he actually reported such a bias.
The missionaries provided these reporters with much information. So, although the reporters
partly wrote their articles from first-hand coverage, most wrote down just what the missionaries
told them. American reporters would certainly double-check, at least, what they had heard fromsome Japanese before writing articles, but when it came to Chinese and missionaries’ accounts,
the Americans would blindly accept the secondhand information as true.
The Nationalist Party and the missionaries shared mutual interests
Interviewer: They played a crucial role not only during the battle of Nanking, but also at theTokyo Trials.
Ara: As popularly known, those who stood at the witness stand and testified in the court of theTokyo Trials were clergyman Rev. John Magee, Professor Miner Searle Bates and Dr. RobertWilson. Although they were introduced by titles, like professor and doctor, they used these
designations for the sake of missionary activities, and their true callings were missionaries. And it
would be appropriate to say that these three made-up the horrible massacre image.
In the Tokyo Trials court, as described in What War Means, most disastrous situations were told
and the atrocities of the Japanese Army were all the more emphasized. Of course, their
testimonies, under close examination, may reveal a far less violent situation. For instance, Dr.
Wilson testified that he himself saw two women who were about to be raped actually escorted
away to a safe camp.
However, as a general impression, the horrifying situations in Nanking described by the three
missionary witnesses, who had gone all the way to Tokyo to testify, were convincing enough tomake the tribunal accept their accounts as facts, although some exaggerations and misconceptions
were present here and there. In that sense, the missionaries eagerly played a crucial role increating the “massacre” image.
Interviewer: Why, then, were the American missionaries so eager to cooperate with the Chinese?
Ara: That is the most puzzling aspect to the Japanese. As I mentioned previously, themissionaries were anti-Japanese personally, but difficult financial circumstances obliged them tofurther engage in propaganda activities, for donations from America had dwindled. In those days,
among overseas missionary activities, U.S. Christian churches spent the largest amount of money
in China and, accordingly, sent the largest number of missionaries to China. Americans felt that
China lagged behind times and was being bullied by Japan and that the Chinese people needed to
be enlightened through the Christian faith.
However, despite vigorous efforts on the part of American Christians, the number of enlightened
Chinese Christians hardly increased. As a result, the dominant opinion voiced at home in the U.S.
was to bring those missionaries home, while the donations to the missionaries from America
peaked in 1935 and began to decline thereafter. So American missionaries working in China had
an urgent need to send home a good message, stressing that the missionaries in China firmly stoodfor the poor Chinese being bullied by the ‘atrocious Japanese’. This is not my original analysis,but Japanese diplomats in those days would see the situation in this context.
For American missionaries, war was a good opportunity to expand the Chinese Christian
population. They tried to look like good and sympathetic friends of the Chinese people, offering
food to Chinese refugees and providing sanctuaries to former soldiers hiding from the Japanese
troops.
Eventually, the missionaries with such a need and purpose on one hand and the Nationalist Partyon the other hand came to share mutual interests, which prompted them to conduct the
propaganda campaign known as the “Nanking Massacre.”Interviewer: Seeing things in this perspective, it is easily understood why American missionaries
were so cooperative in the Nationalist Party’s propaganda operations, providing false information
to American reporters and taking the trouble to go back home to spread the Nanking Massacre
propaganda in the U.S.
Ara: Moreover, America at that time, the American mass media in particular, was anti-Japaneseand pro-Chinese. Among them, Henry Luce, publisher of the weekly photo magazine Life, with acirculation in the hundreds of thousands, was an ardent Sinophile who never hesitated to say that
he would do anything in his power for Chiang Kai-shek. He favored Chiang Kai-shek to such an
extent that he was referred to as Don Quixote by puzzled fellow Americans. As a consequence,
the image of the Nanking Massacre portrayed by the missionaries and newspaper reporters in Lifeand other media effectively permeated the American community.
After Japan and the U.S. eventually entered war, the Nanking Massacre became a major
propaganda tool as a good example of the Japanese atrociousness, together with such popularphrases as “Remember Pearl Harbor” and “Bataan Death March”. In addition to the allegedly
despicable cunningness behind the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, the “Nanking Massacre”
described by the missionaries was typically used to illustrate the Japanese cruelty.
Furthermore, even after the U.S. Army occupied Japan, this American-bred image of the
Nanking Massacre was used in Japan as “war-guilt” propaganda and told as a true story to
promote as to what had really happened. So, I should say that particular American missionaries
and reporters had played tremendously effective roles in the “Nanking Massacre” propaganda

campaign.
The Nanking citizens did not know about the “Massacre”
Interviewer: By the way, in your new book, a lot of pages are devoted to explain how the“Nanking Massacre” has been addressed in the postwar years.
Ara: Well, that is because if you examine how the “Nanking Massacre” was dealt with after theWar, you will clearly see that the “Nanking Massacre” was propaganda warfare.
The Nanking Incident came to be seen as the “Nanking Massacre” ever since the Tokyo Trials
took it up. Most interestingly, at the time when the war finally ended and before the Tokyo Trials
were held, the very citizens of Nanking did not know about the “massacre”.
To be specific, on August 29, 1946, the Chinese Nanking District Court Prosecutors Officesubmitted to court an investigational report titled Crimes Committed by the Enemies, in whichwere written “340,000 victims of killing” and as evidential proof for this, “Chinese testimonies
regarding five mass murder incidents” and “Burial records by two charity organizations.” In otherwords, it was not until nearly 8 years after the battle of Nanking of December 1937 that theallegation of 300,000 massacre victims sprang up for the first time.
For that matter, when the Nanking District Court began the investigation to make this report,that is, at the end of 1945, none of the citizens of Nanking reported that they were victims of theatrocities committed by Japanese troops. According to the report, very few citizens voluntarily
filed a case of killing by the Japanese Army, and some even denied the occurrence of such amatter.
The report of the Nanking District Court maintains that the scarcity of witnesses was due toharsh hindrance on the part of the Japanese Army, but this is a sheer lie. Let me explain why. On
August 10, just before the War ended, as soon as news spread that Japan would accept the
Potsdam Declaration on the condition that Japan should retain its statehood, joyful celebration
occurred in Nanking on the following morning of the 11th, with loud bursting firecrackers andjubilant citizens crowding every street. This was only four days before the armistice. That’s how
the Nanking citizens were. Similarly, then, if there had been a massacre, they could not have been
unwilling to testify against the hated enemy after the Japanese Army had surrendered and the
Nationalist Party had come to re-take the city.
However, the reality was that there was no massacre committed in the first place and so, thecitizens of Nanking could only describe Nanking as they actually saw it. The citizens of Hankou
or Chongqing would have testified in accordance with the massacre story then detailed in the
Nationalist Party newspapers. Fortunately, Nanking was under control of the Japanese Army, andthe information from Chinese newspapers did not reach Nanking. In other words, since thecitizens of Nanking were free from the Nationalist Party propaganda operation, and based on theirown experiences, all they could answer was “there was no massacre”.
Of course, the Chinese did not just sit and wait. Seeing that there was no witness of massacrecoming forth whatsoever, the Nationalist Party sent a memorandum to various organizations,pressing them to speak up in its favor. Finally, some came up as witnesses and their accounts
became “the testimonies by Chinese people regarding five mass murder incidents”, which werealso presented at the Tokyo Trials.
Why didn’t China touch upon “Nanking”?
Ara: Equally in Japan, the “Nanking Massacre” appeared in newspapers at the time of the Tokyo
Trials, but after the Trials were over, not one article was written about the Nanking Massacre for23 years, until reporter Honda Katsuichi mentioned it in his serialized article titled Travels in
China in the Asahi Shimbun in 1971.
At the time of the battle of Nanking, many on-the-spot newspaper reporters were covering
Nanking, seeing with their own eyes what was going on and what did not happen. The Asahi
Shimbun sent a staff of more than 90 reporters, photographers and liaison officers, while there wasa crew of over 80 from the Mainichi Shimbun. Those veterans still worked in the news offices of
the Japanese mass media (after the war) and I guess that if some inexperienced young reporter
happened to write something unrealistic about the Nanking Massacre and handed it to the editors,
the old hands would immediately spot the incongruity of the article and would admonish thejunior reporter, saying “You should be ashamed of writing such stuff, son.” However, from 1965

onward, those experienced journalists retired one after another, and Honda’s Travels in China
triggered a new trend of writing articles about the “Nanking Massacre” in Japanese newspapers.
It was not in Japan alone that the “Nanking Massacre” ceased to be discussed in the postwar
years. In fact, the situation was almost the same in the People’s Republic of China. Or rather, theChinese Communist Party hardly said anything for more than forty years since the Nanking
Incident occurred. Naturally, the Chinese Communists kept denouncing militarist Japan, using theterm of “three-all” operation, meaning to plunder all, to kill all and to burn all. This term wasoriginally used to blame the Nationalist Party for its brutal operation.
One of the symbolic examples of this is the Chinese reaction to the visit by a group of ten or soformer Japanese military personnel to China in 1956. The visiting Japanese met with Mao Zedong
and other Chinese dignitaries, talked with the very person that prepared the operational plan forthe battle of Nanking and also discussed the fall of Nanking with the man who had fled from
Nanking with Chiang Kai-shek. They actually visited Nanking. But during their entire visit, theNanking Incident was never mentioned.
In 1971, reporter Honda of the Asahi Shimbun went to China to write Travels in China, and atlong last, he mentioned the “Nanking Massacre” in it. But for nearly 10 years after that, theNanking issue was not touched upon. It was not until 1981 that the Chinese began to substantiallyrefer to it. In a Chinese history textbook for middle schools (equivalent to Japanese junior andsenior high schools) titled Chinese History and published in the same year, 1981, the descriptionof 300,000 victims of the massacre appeared.
Interviewer: Why, then, did the Chinese Communist Party suddenly start to claim that “there
were 300,000 massacre victims”?
Ara: After all, I think it was the Japanese themselves who brought the issue to the surface. In
September 1966, Oya Soichi, Omori Minoru and some other critics and journalist visited China,
and Omori Minoru himself brought up the Nanking Incident and asked the Chinese whether they
could discuss it. In March 1967, Niijima Atsuyoshi, an assistant professor at Waseda University,
visited China and asked the Chinese authorities if he could interview survivors of the Nanking
Incident. Of course, in either case, the Chinese Communists were most reluctant and thenegotiations never went any further.
At the end of 1970, the Asahi Shimbun conveyed its wish to walk around the real sites of thealleged atrocities committed by the Japanese Army and to interview some of the surviving
victims. The request, this time, was granted six months later. Consequently, several witnesses
were available in Nanking, and their stories were to appear in Honda’s Travels in China as
testimonies of the Nanking Massacre. Much more confirmation is still needed regarding thismatter. But I can say this much: it is the Japanese side that brought the “Nanking Massacre” to thecenter stage.
Interviewer: It is a very significant fact that the Chinese side did not say a word about “Nanking”
for over forty years.
Ara: On the other hand, it is not true that the Chinese Communist Party knew nothing about thebattle of Nanking. Mao Zedong was in Yanan at the time when Nanking fell, but he was fully
aware that Nanking was under siege by Japanese troops and that soon after the fall of Nanking,Japanese troops reportedly committed atrocities. Although Mao criticized that the Japanese attackof Nanking lacked sternness in annihilating the enemy, he did not comment on a “Nanking
Massacre” at all. Zhou Enlai, having been involved in the propaganda activities managed by the
Nationalist Party as part of the United Front Nationalist-Communist coalition, must have fully
understood what was actually going on, and yet he did not say a word either.
Both Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai probably were familiar with the nature of the Nationalist
propaganda operations, and they most likely conceived the Nanking Massacre as demagogic
propaganda, just as in the cases of Shanghai, Taierzhuang, the Huang He (Yellow River) andDe’an. To sum up, the reason why the Chinese Communists did not touch upon the “Nanking
Incident” for more than 40 years after the War is that they fully understood that it was after all
Chiang Kai-shek’s propaganda.
(Interview held on November 5. The editorial department is responsible for the wording of thisinterview.)

*First published in Choice for Tomorrow, December 2007 issue.