SC2/WG2 N2731

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Secretariat: Standards Norway, P.O.Box 242, NO-1326 Lysaker, Norway
Secretary: Håvard Hjulstad, havard@hjulstad.com

8th CEN/ISSS CDSG meetingParis
2004-03-12
1000–1840

Title:

Minutes CDSG meeting 2004-03-12 in Paris

Source:CDSG Secretary

Document for:Approval

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Meeting arrangements

The meeting took place at the offices of the Agence universitaire de laFrancophonie; 4, place de la Sorbonne; FR-75005 Paris (France).
The chairman opened the meeting at 1010. Mr Yves Neuville welcomed members
to Paris, and introduced Ms Natalie Cappel-Souquet, the secretary of ISO/IEC JTC
1/SC 35. He had also invited two guests, Mr Roger Ganne and Ms MoniqueGrandbastien (see agenda items 4.12 and 6.4 respectively).
Mr Frantz Fongang of the Agence universitaire de la Francophonie (AUF)
presented the AUF and welcomed the members to their offices. The CDSG
thanked Mr Fongang for the kind invitation by the AUF.
Apologies had been received from Mr Erkki Kolehmainen, Ms Catherine Chen, Mr
Knut Nordby, and Mr Mike Ksar. An attendance list is attached as Annex A.
The agenda items were discussed in the following order: 1, 2, 4.12, 3–4.11, 5, 6.4,6.1–6.4, 7–9. These minutes reflect the order of items as presented in the agenda,
not as discussed during the meeting.

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Approval of draft agenda

Document CDSG-N125-R2 – The agenda was approved as presented in thedocument dated 2004-03-05 with the following amendments: New agenda items
4.12, 6.3, 6.4, 7.1, and 7.2 were added to the agenda.

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Minutes of the previous meeting

3.1

Approval of the minutes

Document CDSG-N123 – The minutes were approved without changes.

3.2

Review of Action List

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Document CDSG-SD-ActL (2004-03-11) – The notes of the review are presented
in document CDSG-SD-ActL (2004-03-13) together with new Action Items. The
new list of action items will be circulated independently.

4

CDSG (including Programme of work)

4.1

CDSG financing and future

The secretary reported that the support of Standards Norway for the secretariat willprobably be continued, but that no formal decision to that effect has yet been
made.

4.2

CDSG membership and participation

Since the previous meeting the National Member Body of Iceland has nominatedrepresentatives to the CDSG: Ms Guðbjörg Björnsdóttir and Mr Rúnar MarSverrisson. The National Member Body of Finland has recently nominated a new
representative to replace Ms Reeta Riikonen: Mr Timo Simell.
CEN/ISSS WS/EC has ceased to exist. It is partly replaced by the eBusiness
Interoperability Forum (eBif), that is likely to nominate representatives. The current
membership will be retained until further notice.
Action Item 08/01

Yves Neuville to contact Catherine Chen to establish
whether she still is a member of the CDSG.

It was noted that a wide geographic representation is of importance.
Action Item 08/02

All members to encourage National Member Bodies tonominate representatives to the CDSG.

Christian Galinski noted that developments relating to benchmarking, certification,etc. were becoming more important by the day and should be reflected in theCDSG work programme.
Action Item 08/03

4.3

Christian Galinski, the chairman and secretary to review
the CDSG work programme in light of benchmarking,certification, Registration Authorities, etc.

Future meeting arrangements

Traditionally the CDSG has had three regular meetings per year. It was decided tolook into alternative forms, including electronic meetings and topic seminars. The
next meeting of the CDSG will be an electronic meeting. The meeting will be an
official meeting with agenda, roll call and active participation by all “present”.
Electronic meetings will not under any circumstance entirely replace traditional
physical meetings.

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There will be planned an electronic meeting on July 2nd and a physical meeting inlate September/ early October.
Action Item 08/04

The chairman and secretary to try out software andmethods for electronic meetings and to come up withconcrete proposals.

Action Item 08/05

The chairman and secretary to plan a topic seminar,
possibly in connection with the next physical meeting(September/October 2004). CDSG members will be
consulted in the planning process.

4.4

Review of Project List

The latest Project List (dated 2003-10-25) was reviewed briefly.
It was agreed to add the fields “localization” and “translation memory” if this isfound useful.
Action Item 08/06

4.5

The chairman and secretary to look into the usefulness ofadding the fields “localization” and “translation memory” tothe Project List.

WS on Information Retrieval

Document CDSG-N116 – There is nothing new to report regarding a potential
CEN/ISSS Workshop on Information Retrieval. However, the topic will be retainedon the list of possible activities.

4.6

Proposed project eMMA

Document CDSG-N127 – The proposal was submitted on 2004-03-10. A responseis expected within two months.

4.7

Proposed project ADNOM

Document CDSG-N126 – The proposal was submitted through CEN/ISSS, whosubmitted a number of proposals, all of which have been favourably received.
There is limited funding, and there is so far no response.
Action Item 08/07

4.8

Christian Galinski to contact Austrian authorities andGerman language organizations regarding local funding.

Report to CEN/ISSS Forum

A first draft of an “annual report” was presented, covering the time period from2003-01-01 to the present. The chairman will complete the document. The
document will be updated as needed. The document may be used for a number of
purposes: local funding, attract members, further cooperations, etc.

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Secretary: Håvard Hjulstad, havard@hjulstad.comAction Item 08/08

4.9

The chairman to finalize the CDSG “annual report” assoon as possible.

CWA 13873:2000

Document CDSG-N129, cf. CDSG-N124 – CWA 13873:2000 Information
Technology – Multilingual European Subsets in ISO/IEC 10646-1 – This CWA willin the future be inserted into the ISO/IEC 10646 framework, and CWA 13873 maythen possibly no longer be needed.
Decision:

The CDSG recommends that CWA 13873 be kept foranother three-year period. The situation will be assessedagain once the CWA becomes a part of the ISO/IEC10646 framework.

Action Item 08/09

James Boyd to find out whether and how withdrawn
CWAs are publicly available for download.

4.10 CWA 14051-1:2001 and CWA 14051-2:2001
Documents CDSG-N130 and CDSG-N131, cf. CDSG-N124 – CWA 14051:2001
Information Technology – European generic locales, parts 1 and 2 – After somediscussion the following was decided:
Decision:

The CDSG recommends that CWA 14051-1 and -2 bekept for another three-year period.

John Clews was in favour of withdrawing Part 2.
Wolf Arfvidson stressed the problem of lack of marketing of the CWA on the part ofCEN.

4.11 CWA 14094:2001
Document CDSG-N132, cf. CDSG-N124 – CWA 14094:2001 European Cultural
Specific ICT Requirements
Decision:

The CDSG recommends that CWA 14094 be kept foranother three-year period.

4.12 Presentation by Mr Roger Ganne
The area of eHealth has been identified as one of the important areas for theCDSG. However, up to now there hasn’t been any “champion” to follow up thework. Yves Neuville has brought our attention to the outstanding work done by Mr
Roger Ganne, and the CDSG is delighted to hear him present his work.
Mr. Roger Ganne through the arrangement of Yves Neuville had kindly accepted togive the CDSG a presentation on CDICT issues in eHealth. Mr. Ganne is aneminent specialist in the field, having chaired the health department of France

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Telecom and then being the president of the French social security system with abudget superior to that of the national budget of France. Today he works as anindependent consultant and advises, e. g., the president's office on eHealth issues.
Mr Ganne is the "father" of the French "carte vitale". This chip card was alreadyplanned and specified 25 years ago, but has taken long to realize due to significant
opposition. Today French citizens universally use it, even though still about half ofthe doctors do not accept it. Its use enables much better control about theexpenditures of the social security system and thus allows for significant costsavings while at the same time reimbursing the patient faster than before.
Right now work is ongoing on the "Coffre fort santée" (strong room for health). This
will bring together all relevant health information of a citizen and will allow healthworkers instant electronic access to a patient's medical record. It will also enable
examinations at a distance. Access to the strong room will be dependent on thecitizen's authorization.
The strong room will also facilitate the concept of "Hôpital à domicile" (“hospital athome”) where patients are cared for at home.
Use of IT in the health system enables better service coupled with cost reductions("a happy marriage with many beautiful children").
Standardization of harmonized approaches on the European level have, so far,been largely abortive due to the fundamental differences in the health systems.
However, even on a national level, multilingualism is essential. Especially for thetreatment of patients over a distance, it is essential that there be suitable
multilingual thesauri for the medical terminology and suitably multilingual userinterfaces.
Christian Galinski emphasized in the subsequent discussion the importance ofcontent interoperability as the key to success. All participants agree thatinteroperability of content is the essential point. Content models must be defined
first.
Yves stressed that many of these considerations (content interoperability, thesaurietc.) also apply to completely different fields, e. g. eLearning. All agreed that this isso.
Mr. Ganne concluded his fascinating and simulating presentation by underliningthat interoperability is primarily a political problem and that the battle must be wonon the importance of content.
There is a clear need to coordinate activities in eHealth and eLearning. There isalso a considerable content component with multilingual and multicultural aspects.

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5CEN / TC 304

5.1

Business Plan

There was no discussion about the TC 304 Business Plan.

5.2

Status of work

Document CDSG-N124 – Only one work item remains: 14603. Final voting will
start very soon, and it will most likely become a European Standard (EN) during
2004.
CEN/TC 304 will then be dormant. The CDSG is concerned that there no longerexists a formal body dedicated to standardization within the field of cultural
diversity in an ICT context.
Resolution:

The CEN/ISSS Cultural Diversity Steering Group
expresses the concern that there is a need for a body withcapabilities to do formal standardization work with cultural
diversity issues in an ICT context.

Action Item 08/10

The chairman and secretary to submit this resolution toEC bodies as seems useful.

6

Various European projects

6.1

CEN/ISSS WS/eCat

Document CDSG-N128 – Christian Galinski reported. The eCat report has been
submitted, and will be finalized as a CWA shortly. Lack of interoperability is aconsiderable problem in the industry. The next project in the WS is ePDC (projectdescription and classification).
Follow-up activities will be large-scale promotion and implementation work. A panEuropean consortium will be established to this end.
Action Item 08/11

6.2

The secretary to circulate to CDSG members the URL for
the final CWA in due time.

EuroUse – a proposed project

Document CDSG-N128 – The proposer, John Clews, had to leave the meeting
before the agenda item was discussed.
The proposal was not studied in detail. It was, however, noted that there is a needfor more work to be done on the proposal. It is currently not a project on the CDSG
work plan. John Clews is invited to follow it up. He should also study which funding
mechanisms is being aimed for and adapt the project proposal accordingly.
Action Item 08/12

John Clews to follow up the EuroUse proposal.

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6.3

DiffuseThere has recently been some email communication concerning the unavailabilityof current Diffuse information.
There may be a call for proposals for a portal that may replace Diffuse. It may also
be possible to post some of the material on the CDSG website (in modified form).
The issue will be on the agenda for the next meeting, depending on futuredevelopment.
Action Item 08/13

6.4

The chairman and secretary to follow any development
relating to Diffuse and to suggest relevant actions on thepart of the CDSG.

Presentation by Professor Monique GrandbastienProf Monique Grandbastien presented the Network Of Excellence Caleidoscope: It
is a four-year project with 70 laboratories and 700 researchers involved. How can
ICT be used to enhance learning and training? There is going to be an interface
with standardization.
A multilingual Vocabulary for the domain is planned. The project is open tocooperation.
From CDSG point of view one interesting point is that cooperation will meancontact with a large number of researchers.
Action Item 08/14

James Boyd to communicate directly with Ms MoniqueGrandbastien for the purpose of cooperation.

Prof Grandbastien will supply information about the network.

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Various other projects

7.1National initiatives – Finland

A Finnish translation of MES-2 is published. There should be official translations toseveral languages. This will be needed from the point of view of quality auditing.
Recommendation

The CDSG recommends National Member Bodies toproduce official translations of the character names inMES-2.

Action Item 08/15

CDSG members to contact their National Member Bodies
in the question of translations of character names.

7.2

Forum on Cultural Diversity in Barcelona

Yves Neuville presented important developments in the area of cultural diversity:

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The meeting in Barcelona is planned for 2004-09-08/11. It is sponsored byUNESCO.
The first part will be general discussions with high-level people. Then there will bededicated discussions within specific fields: eHealth, eLearning, etc., and sessions
on dedicated applications, like music, economics, etc.
Proposals will be prepared for the Second World Summit (Tunisia).
As soon as something is available, Yves Neuville will submit the information to theCDSG.
Action Item 08/16

8Yves Neuville to circulate (through CDSG chair)
information on Forum on Cultural Diversity as soon as thisis available.

Next meeting

The next meeting of the CDSG will be an electronic meeting on Friday 2 July
2004 (date to be confirmed), probably lasting a great part of the day.
The next physical meeting will take place in September or October, probably inParis or Brussels.
There could be a meeting in one of the incoming countries in 2005.

9Any Other BusinessStarting immediately the secretary will be unavailable for some weeks (may be asmuch as 8 weeks) due to surgery. Members are requested to send to the chairman
any material that would otherwise be sent to the secretary during this time.
The members expressed their appreciation for the work done by the secretary, andwished him all well for his operation and recovery.

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Annex A – Participants
See also the Standing Document CDSG-SD-Memb.
Name & Email

Phone & Fax

Signature

Chairman CEN/ISSS CDSGMr Marc Küster
kuester@saphor.net

Tel +49 7472 949100
Fax +49 7472 949114

Present

Tel +47 64963684
Fax +47 64944233

Present

Mr James Boydjames.boyd@cenorm.be

Tel +32 2 5500933
Fax +32 2 5500966

Present

Mr John Ketchelljohn.ketchell@cenorm.be

Tel +32 2 5500846
Fax +32 2 5500966

AbsentMr Wolf Arfvidson
wolf.arfvidson@statskontoret.se

Tel +46 8 4544699
Fax +46 8 4544693

Present

Mr Erkki Kolehmainen
eik@iki.fi

Tel +358 9 43682643

Apologies

Ms Man-Sze Li
msli@icfocus.co.uk

Tel +44 208 347 7355
Fax +44 208 347 7356

AbsentMs Catherine Chen
cchen@fr.ibm.com

Tel +33 1 49056561
Fax +33 1 49055538

Apologies

Tel +44 1344 472382
Fax +44 1344 473007

AbsentTel +32 16 327066
Fax +32 16 327996

AbsentSecretary CEN/ISSS CDSG
Mr Håvard Hjulstad
havard@hjulstad.com
CEN/ISSS

CEN/TC 304

CEN/ISSS WS/EC

CEN/ISSS WS/MMI-DC
Mr Ian Campbell Grant
ian.campbell-grant@icl.com
CEN/ISSS WS/LT
Mr Eric Duvalerik.duval@cs.kuleuven.ac.be
CEN/ISSS WS/eCat

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Name & EmailMr Christian Galinski
cgalinski@infoterm.org

Phone & Fax

Signature

Tel +43 1 817449911
Fax +43 1 817448844

Present

Tel +31 15 2690376
Fax +31 15 2690242

AbsentTel + 47 90049903

Apologies

Tel +44 171 4127826

Present

Tel +33 1 46334060
Fax +33 1 43255060

PresentTel +32 2 7432470
Fax +32 2 7369552

AbsentTel +32 2 2951670

AbsentTel +32 2 2861741
Fax +32 2 2861750

AbsentTel +1 650 693 1568
Fax +1 425 936 7329

Apologies

Tel +358 9 47630497

AbsentCEN/ISSS Forum
Mr Jan Rietveld
jan.rietveld@nen.nl
ICTSB
Mr Knut Nordby
knut.nordby@telenor.com
ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22/WG 20
Mr John Clews
european@sesame.demon.co.uk
ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 35
Mr Yves Neuvilleyn@ifrance.com
ANEC
Dr Gottlobe Fabischg.fabisch@anec.org
EC/DG ENTR
Mr Cesar Santoscesar.santos@cec.eu.int
EFTA
Mr Jóhannes Thorsteinsson
johannes.thorsteinsson@efta.int
UNICODEMr Mike Ksar
mikeksar@microsoft.com
National Member Body of Finland
Ms Reetta Riikonen
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Name & Email

Phone & Fax

Signature

Ms Guðbjörg Björnsdóttir
gudbjorg@stadlar.isAbsent

Mr Rúnar Mar Sverrisson
runarmar@mmedia.isAbsent

Guests at the meeting
Ms Nathalie Cappel-Souquet
AFNOR; JTC 1/SC 35 secretarynathalie.cappel-souquet@afnor.fr
Mr Roger Ganne
Mr Franz Fongang
Agence universitaire de laFrancophonie
Prof Monique Grandbastien
LORIA
monique.gransbastian@loria.fr

Present

Present 1030–1145

Present 1200–1440

Present 1620–1730