6th MEETING OF INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEEMay 25, 1967
Minutes of the Sixth Meeting of the International Committee held on Thursday, 25
May, 1967 at 2:00 p.m. at the Mount Royal Hotel, Montreal, Canada
The following delegates were present:
Mr. W.E. Havercroft
Mr. R.D. Barer
Mr. E.T. Watterud
Prof. Dr. G. Homes
Dr. M. Baimler
Ing. L. Cizek
Prof. P.Y. Azou
Dr. R.H. Seifert
Mr. C.C. Bates
Mr. W.C. Heselwood
Dr. F. Baldi
Prof. Dr. H. Kihara
Mr. A. de Sterke
Prof. Dr. I. Malecki
Dr. Z. Pawlowski
Mr. P. ScribanteMr. H. Swedenborg
Dr. Y. Badlevski
Prof. Dr. P.K. Oshchepkov
Mr. R.B. Socky
Dr. G.H. Tenney

Canada(Chairman)
Canada(Vice-Chairman)
Canada(Secretary)
Belgium
Czechoslovakia
Czechoslovakia
FranceGermany
Great Britain
Great Britain
Italy
Japan
Netherlands
PolandPolandSouth Africa
SwedenU.S.S.R.
U.S.S.R.
U.S.A
U.S.A

1. Minutes of Previous Meeting
It was agreed that the Committee name shown as the heading for theMinutes of the meeting held on 21 May should be changed to reflect the form
accepted in the Terms of Reference.
Mr. Bates asked that the second paragraph of Item 7 be altered to read as
follows:“Mr. Bates reported on the formation of the Research Centre, set up in theUnited Kingdom, which would include an information and documentation service
on nondestructive testing, and proposed that this might be used by members of
the International Committee as a facility for exchange of information.”
The meeting agreed on a motion by Mr. Barer, seconded by Mr. Bates,that the minutes, amended as indicated above, be adopted. The correctedversion would be distributed to the members by mail.

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2. Business Arising out of the Minutes
Prof. Azou reported, in connection with Item 5 of the minutes, that he had
discussed the question of venue for the Seventh Conference with Prof. Malecki,and expressed his support of the proposal that Poland host the conference.

3. Committee Membership
The Chairman tabled a letter from Czechoslovakia requesting membershipon the International Committee. Statements of support for this request weremade by Prof. Oshchepkov, Dr. Tenney, Prof. Malecki and Dr. Seifert, and thesewere enthusiastically endorsed by the other members. The result of this was amotion by Prof. Oshchepkov, seconded by Dr. Tenney and carried unanimously
to welcome Czechoslovakia as a full member of the Committee. At this point theTwo Czechoslovakian delegates, Ing. L. Cizek and Dr. M. Baimler joined themeeting, with Dr. Cizek expressing appreciation on behalf of Czechoslovakia for
acceptance of their membership application.
The Chairman reported that a considerable interest has been expressedon the part of Australia in obtaining membership on the Committee although noofficial request has yet been made. Dr. Tenney suggested that the Australianmembership interest be followed up by a letter from the Chairman with thesuggestion that their official request for membership be submitted to Dr. Seifert
who will be the next Chairman and who would handle the membership
application by a postal ballot.
(Note: Subsequent to the meeting it was learned that an official Australianrequest for membership had arrived. It has been decided therefore that Mr.
Havercroft would submit the application to postal ballot, with complete ballots tobe returned to Dr. Seifert.)
4. Comments on Fifth International Conference
In inviting frank comments and opinions of the members on any and allaspects of the Fifth International Conference, the Chairman reported that thepost conference tour, originally cancelled on account of the marginal interest
displayed prior to the conference, had now been rescheduled in view ofsomewhat increased interest discovered since the conference had opened. He
made the observation that the unexpectedly large number of delegates had
resulted in the shortage of some conference items such as portfolios and certain
items of literature, and had posed as well certain registration problems andinconvenience for some delegates.
Prof. Homes noted that at least one of the sessions had encounteredsome difficulty in that questions to the session panelists, written in French, hadgone unanswered, presumably because of translation difficulties. He suggested
that at least one bilingual or multilingual person should be included among theadministrators of each session to avoid this kind of difficulty in future30

conferences. He stressed also the importance of maintaining a close liaison
arrangement between session chairmen, slide projector operators and theaudience.
Dr. Tenney emphasized the desirability of having preprints of all papers
made available to delegates prior to the conference. He suggested also, forfuture conferences, that the Terms of Reference of the International Committee
should be provided to all delegates upon their registration.
Mr. Bates strongly supported Dr. Tenney’s suggestion for paper preprints.
He noted that some delegates had failed to obtain a copy of the conference
program in advance of the conference, prior to their departure from home. Heobserved also that the holding of simultaneous sessions proved inconvenient insome instances, when delegates found themselves faced with the problems ofhaving separate papers of equal interest to them being presented at the sametime.
Prof. Oshchepkov expressed the wish that technical sessions could betranslated into more than one language.
Mr. De Sterke, in commenting on the suggestion concerning preprints,
stated that success was achieved at a technical conference held in Warsaw inthe technique of providing rather full summaries of technical papers in place ofcomplete preprints. He expressed appreciation of the arrangements for the Fifth
Conference that permitted a majority of delegates to be housed in the same hotelas the venue of the conference itself. He recommended this arrangement for
future conferences wherever possible.
Prof. Malecki expressed his recognition of difficulties faced by aconference committee in selecting technical papers from the variety offered fromthe different countries concerned. He recommended the technique of having theNational Committees in each of the countries provide assistance andrecommendations on the choice of papers from their countries. He urged alsothat care be taken in the arrangement of session timetables to avoid thesimultaneous presentation of sessions on similar topics, thereby echoing theearlier comment of Mr. Bates. Prof. Malecki thought also that a better balanceshould be sought in the selection of papers of a scientific or research nature
versus those of applied technology. He supported the point made earlier by Mr.
De Sterke that summaries of technical papers in advance of a conference could
serve almost as well as full preprints with less practical difficulty in execution.
Mr. Heselwood asked whether delegates will have access to early press
coverage of the conference or to copies of the technical papers, for purposed ofreporting to their individual firms.
(Note: Immediately following the meeting it was suggested that thisrequirement be met by providing to each member of the International Committee
as soon as possible after the conference a copy of each technical paper
presented. The Chairman undertook to investigate this possibility.)_Mr. Scribante stressed the desirability of having the technical paper
presentations remain closely on schedule. Dr. Seifert commented also on theproblem of keeping technical sessions to their time schedules. He thought that31

the use of such techniques as warning lights to speakers might be helpful inmaintaining time schedules.
Dr. Seifert expressed his appreciation of the criticisms and suggestions
offered by the members, since he realized that these were intended largely forthe benefit of the next conference. He made particular comment on the problemof selecting the most qualified technical papers from those offered for aconference, stating that it would be the plan of the German Committee to accept
only those papers that have been recommended by the national Committees of
the countries concerned. The Chairman warned, through the experience of theCanadian group, that a problem of time could be encountered in arranging foracceptance of papers by National Committees prior to their final acceptance by
the conference committee.
In reply to a question by Dr. Tenney, the Chairman stated that 20 copies
of preprints of their papers are being provided to all authors on a complimentarybasis. Additional copies will be provided as required, at a nominal charge.
5. New Business
Mr. Bates tabled a two-part proposal by the British delegation, as follows:
1. That the committee agrees that the appropriate time has arrived forestablishment of an International Committee to co-ordinate that
preparation of International Recommendations on Nondestructive testing.
2. That it be further agreed by all delegates that they will request their official
National standards organizations to recommend to the International
Organization for Standardization (ISO) that ISO does establish andsupport a Technical Committee to deal with Nondestructive Testing.
The Committee joined Dr. Pawlowski in strong support for an approach toISO concerning establishment of a Technical Committee on NondestructiveTesting.
Dr. Pawlowski expressed the hope that a significant percentage ofresearch and scientific type papers can be attracted to future conferences. He
thought also that it would be desirable to arrange between conference meetingsof groups of nondestructive testing people who have a common interest in
various aspects of the subject. This technique would prove valuable in theexchange of information between conferences.
Prof. Homes supported Dr. Pawlowski’s suggestion concerning between
conference meetings of representatives having common nondestructive testing
interests.
Mr. Barer recommended that the term “Testing” in “NondestructiveTesting” be considered for replacement by a more appropriate term. He
expressed the feeling that the term “testing” has a somewhat inferior connotation
to some people. He thought that the term “technology” might be a better choice,and would have the added advantage of maintaining the well known and wellestablished initials NDT. It was agreed that no particular actions could be taken

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at this time on Mr. Barer’s proposal but Mr. Barer asked that the subject be
introduced for formal discussion at the next International Committee meeting.
The meeting adjourned at 4:15 p.m.

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