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Productivity Measurement in the National Accounts and its Importance
Erwin Diewert,1Department of Economics,
The University of British Columbia,
Vancouver, Canada, V6T 1Z1.
email: diewert@econ.ubc.ca
Paper presented at the Asian Productivity Organization-Keio University Lecture Program,
October 22, 2007.
Revised October 25, 2007.
1. Introduction
In section 2 of this paper, we will provide a bit of an overview of some of themeasurement problems that arise whenever we want to measure the productivity growthof an establishment, firm, industry or economy. This overview will show that the
KLEMS framework is not the end of the story but it is a good beginning.
In section 3, we will consider some of the problems with the production accounts in the
System of National Accounts 1993 (SNA 1993) that make one cautious about the validityof industry Total Factor Productivity (TFP) growth estimates that use national statisticalagency real input output tables as inputs into their productivity estimates.
In section 4, we will consider some of the problems that are associated with themeasurement of banking sector outputs and the System of National Accounts FISIM(Financial Intermediation Services Indirectly Measured) imputations.
Section 5 offers a brief conclusion.
2. General Problems for the Measurement of Total Factor Productivity
In this section,2 we will look at some of the general problems that arise when we attempt
to measure the Total Factor Productivity of an enterprise, industry or economy. The
methodology for measuring the TFP of a production unit is due to Jorgenson and
Griliches (1967) (1972) and will not be repeated here. Basically, TFP growth between
two time periods for a production unit is equal to a quantity index of output growth (ornet output growth) divided by a quantity index of input growth.3
2.1 Gross Outputs

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The author thanks Dennis Fixler, Koji Nomura and Kim Zieschang for helpful comments. They are notresponsible for any remaining errors or opinions.
2This section draws heavily on Diewert (2001).
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Diewert and Morrison (1986) and Kohli (1990) provide an exact index number justification for thismethodology based on flexible functional form production theory. Note that no separability assumptions
about outputs and inputs are required using this methodology.

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In order to measure the productivity of a firm, industry or economy, we need informationon the outputs produced by the production unit for each time period in the sample alongwith the average price received by the production unit in each period for each of theoutputs. In practice, period by period information on revenues received by the industry
for a list of output categories is required along with either an output index or a priceindex for each output. In principle, the revenues received should not include any
commodity taxes imposed on the industry’s outputs, since producers in the industry do
not receive these tax revenues. The above sentences sound very straightforward but
many firms produce thousands of commodities so the aggregation difficulties are
formidable. Moreover, many outputs in service sector industries are difficult to measureconceptually: think of the proliferation of telephone service plans and the difficulties
involved in measuring insurance, gambling, banking and options trading.
2.2 Intermediate Inputs
Again, in principle, we require information on all the intermediate inputs utilised by the
production unit for each time period in the sample along with the average price paid foreach of the inputs. In practice, period by period information on costs paid by the industry
for a list of intermediate input categories is required along with either an intermediate
input quantity index or a price index for each category. In principle, the intermediate
input costs paid should include any commodity taxes imposed on the intermediate inputs,
since these tax costs are actually paid by producers in the industry. On the other hand,taxes that fall on the outputs produced by the production unit should be excluded for
productivity measurement purposes.4
The major classes of intermediate inputs at the industry level are:materials
business services
leased capital.
The current input–output framework deals reasonably well in theory with the flows ofmaterials but not with intersectoral flows of contracted labour services or rented capital
equipment. The input-output system was designed long ago when the leasing of capital
was not common and when firms had their own in house business services providers.
Thus there is little provision for business services and leased capital intermediate inputs
in the present system of accounts. With the exception of the manufacturing sector, eventhe intersectoral value flows of materials are often incomplete in the industry statistics(due to the lack of surveys).
This lack of information means the current input–output accounts will have to be greatly
expanded to construct reliable estimates of real value added by industry. At present, there
are no surveys (to our knowledge) on the interindustry flows of business services or for
the interindustry flows of leased capital. Another problem is that using present national
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These conventions for the treatment of indirect taxes on outputs and intermediate inputs when measuring
productivity date back to Jorgenson and Griliches (1972; 85).

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accounts conventions, leased capital resides in the sector of ownership, which is generally
the Finance sector. This could lead to a large overstatement of the capital input into
Finance and a corresponding underestimate of capital services into the sectors actuallyusing the leased capital unless some care is taken in reconciling the primary andintermediate input accounts for owned and leased capital services. We will look at thisproblem in more detail in section 4 below.
It should be noted that at the level of the entire market economy, intermediate inputs
collapse down to just imports plus purchases of government and other nonmarket inputs.
This simplification of the hugely complex web of interindustry transactions of goods andservices explains why it may be easier to measure productivity at the national level thanat the industry level. We will pursue this point in more detail in section 3 below.
2.3 Labor Inputs
Using the number of employees as a measure of labour input into an industry will not
usually be a very accurate measure of labour input due to the long term decline in average
hours worked per full time worker and the recent increase in the use of part time workers.
However, even total hours worked in an industry is not a satisfactory measure of labour
input if the industry employs a mix of skilled and unskilled workers. Hours of work
contributed by highly skilled workers generally contribute more to production than hours
contributed by very unskilled workers. Hence, it is best to decompose aggregate labour
compensation into its aggregate price and quantity components using index number
theory. The practical problem faced by statistical agencies is: how should the various
categories of labour be defined? Alternative approaches to this problem are outlined inJorgenson and Griliches (1967), the Bureau of Labor Statistics (1983), Denison (1985),
Jorgenson, Gollop and Fraumeni (1987) and Jorgenson and Fraumeni (1989) (1992).
Dean and Harper (1999) provide an accessible summary of the literature in this area.
Another important problem associated with measuring real labour input is finding anappropriate allocation of the operating surplus of proprietors and the self employed into
labour and capital components. There are two broad approaches to this problem:
If demographic information on the self employed is available along with hours
worked, then an imputed wage can be assigned to those hours worked based on
the average wage earned by employees of similar skills and training. Then an
imputed wage bill can be constructed and subtracted from the operating surplus of
the self employed. The reduced amount of operating surplus can then be assigned
to capital.
If information on the capital stocks utilised by the self employed is available, thenthese capital stocks can be assigned user costs and then an aggregate imputed
rental can be subtracted from operating surplus. The reduced amount of operating
surplus can then be assigned to labour. These imputed labour earnings can thenbe divided by hours worked by proprietors to obtain an imputed wage rate.
The problems posed by allocating the operating surplus of the self employed are
becoming increasingly more important as this type of employment grows in many

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countries. Fundamentally, the problem appears to be that the current SNA does notaddress this problem adequately.
2.4 Reproducible Capital Inputs
When a firm purchases a durable capital input, it is not appropriate to allocate the entire
purchase price as a cost to the initial period when the asset was purchased. It is necessary
to distribute this initial purchase cost across the useful life of the asset. National income
accountants recognize this and use depreciation accounts to do this distribution of theinitial cost over the life of the asset. However, national income accountants are reluctant
to recognize the interest tied up in the purchase of the asset as a true economic cost.
Rather, they tend to regard interest as a transfer payment. Thus the user cost of an asset(which recognizes the opportunity cost of capital as a valid economic cost) was notregarded as a valid approach to valuing the services provided by a durable capital input
by many national income accountants and in SNA 1993 in particular. However, if a firmbuys a durable capital input and leases or rents it to another sector, national income
accountants regard the induced rental as a legitimate cost for the using industry. It seems
very likely that the leasing price includes an allowance for the capital tied up by the
initial purchase of the asset; i.e., market rental prices include interest. Hence, it seems
reasonable to include an imputed interest cost in the user cost of capital even when theasset is not leased. Put another way, interest is still not accepted as a cost of productionin the SNA, since it is regarded as an unproductive transfer payment. But interest is
productive; it is the cost of inducing savers to forego immediate consumption. Thisdifficulty with SNA 1993 has been recognized in the current revision process for theinternationally approved System of National Accounts and the next version of theseaccounts will probably allow for a decomposition of gross operating surplus in theaccounts into price and quantity components where the price of capital services will be auser cost concept; see Schreyer (2007a) for the latest proposal.
The treatment of capital gains on assets is even more controversial than the national
accounts treatment of interest. In the national accounts, capital gains are not accepted as
an intertemporal benefit of production but if resources are transferred from a period
where they are less valuable to a period where they are anticipated to be more highly
valued, then to user cost proponents, a gain has occurred; i.e., capital gains are productive
according to this view.
However, the treatment of interest and capital gains pose practical problems for statisticalagencies. For example, which interest rate should be used?
An ex post economy wide rate of return which is the alternative used by Christensen
and Jorgenson (1969) (1970)?
An ex post firm or sectoral rate of return? This method seems appropriate from theviewpoint of measuring ex post performance.
An ex ante safe rate of return like a Federal Government one year bond rate? Thismethod seems appropriate from the viewpoint of constructing ex ante user costs that
could be used in econometric models.

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Or should the ex ante safe rate be adjusted for the risk of the firm or industry?
Since the ex ante user cost concept is not observable, the statistical agency will have to
make somewhat arbitrary decisions in order to construct expected capital gains. This is astrong disadvantage of the ex ante concept. On the other hand, the use of the ex postconcept will lead to rather large fluctuations in user costs, which in some cases will leadto negative user costs, which in turn may be hard to explain to users. However, anegative user cost simply indicates that instead of the asset declining in value over theperiod of use, it rose in value to a sufficient extent to offset deterioration. Hence, insteadof the asset being an input cost to the economy during the period, it becomes anintertemporal output. For further discussion on the problems involved in constructinguser costs, see Diewert (1980; 470-486) (2005a) (2006) and Schreyer (2001) (2007a).
For evidence that the choice of user cost formula matters, see Harper, Berndt and Wood
(1989).
A further complication is that our empirical information on depreciation rates forreproducible assets is often weak. In general, we do not have good information on theuseful lives of assets. In past years, the UK statistician assumed that machinery andequipment in manufacturing lasted on average 26 years while the Japanese statistician
assumed that machinery and equipment in manufacturing lasted on average 11 years; see
the OECD (1993; 13).5
A final set of problems associated with the construction of user costs is the treatment ofbusiness income taxes: should we assume firms are as clever as Hall and Jorgenson(1967) and can work out their rather complex tax–adjusted user costs of capital or should
we go to the accounting literature and allocate capital taxes in the rather unsophisticatedways that are suggested there?
2.5 Inventories
Because interest is not a cost of production in the national accounts and the depreciation
rate for inventories is close to zero, many productivity frameworks neglect the user costof inventories. This leads to misleading productivity statistics for industries where
inventories are large relative to output, such as retailing and wholesaling. In particular,
rates of return that are computed neglecting inventories will be too high since theopportunity cost of capital that is tied up in holding the beginning of the period stocks ofinventories is neglected.
The problems involved in accounting for inventories are complicated by the way
accountants and the tax authorities treat inventories. These accounting treatments ofinventories are problematic in periods of high or moderate inflation. A treatment of
inventories that is suitable for productivity measurement can be found in Diewert and5

The Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI), Cabinet Office of Japan, under the direction of Koji
Nomura, has implemented a new survey on retirements and sales of assets which should lead to better
estimates of depreciation rates for capital stocks in Japan. Canada, the Netherlands and New Zealand have
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Smith (1994). These inventory accounting problems seem to carry over to the national
accounts in that for virtually all OECD countries, there are time periods where the realchange in inventories has the opposite sign to the corresponding nominal change ininventories. This is difficult for users to interpret.6
2.6 LandThe current SNA has no role for land as a factor of production, perhaps because it isthought that the quantity of land in use remains roughly constant across time and hence it
can be treated as a fixed, unchanging factor in the analysis of production. However, thequantity of land in use by any particular firm or industry does change over time.
Moreover, the price of land can change dramatically over time and thus the user cost ofland will also change over time and this changing user cost will, in general, affectcorrectly measured productivity.7
Land ties up capital just like inventories (both are zero depreciation assets). Hence, when
computing ex post rates of return earned by a production unit, it is important to accountfor the opportunity cost of capital tied up in land. Neglect of this factor can lead to biased
rates of return on financial capital employed. Thus, industry rates of return and TFPestimates may not be accurate for sectors like agriculture which are land intensive.
In many countries, the long run trend in the price of land can be higher than theopportunity cost of capital for the sector that is using the land as an input into its
production function. This means that even the ex ante user cost of land can be negative
which can lead users to question the user cost methodology. The problem of negative
user costs can also arise in the context of finding a price for the use of an owner occupied
dwelling unit. In this CPI context, Diewert (2007a; 27) suggested the following solution
to the negative user cost problem:
We conclude this section with the following (controversial) observation: perhaps the “correct” opportunity
cost of housing for an owner occupier is not his or her internal user cost but the maximum of the internaluser cost and what the property could rent for on the rental market. After all, the concept of opportunity
cost is supposed to represent the maximum sacrifice that one makes in order to consume or use some object
and so the above point would seem to follow. If this point of view is accepted, then at certain points in theproperty cycle, user costs would replace market rents as the “correct” pricing concept for owner occupied
housing, which would dramatically affect Consumer Price Indexes and the conduct of monetary policy.

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See Diewert (2005b) for a more coherent framework for measuring inventory change and the user cost of
inventories.
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Diewert and Lawrence (2000; 285) in their Canadian TFP study showed that neglecting land andinventories decreased the TFP growth rate by about 20%; i.e., when land and inventories were omitted asfactors of production with their own user costs, the Canadian TFP growth rate fell from 0.68 percent per
year over the period 1962-1996 to 0.55 per cent. In a similar study for Japan, Nomura (2000; 347) showedthat the Japanese TFP growth rate fell from 1.54 percent per year over the period 1960-2000 to 0.80 percent
per year when land and inventories were omitted. These studies indicate the importance of including land
and inventories as productive factors in productivity studies. Due to lack of data, EUKLEMS does nothave land or inventory services as primary inputs in its data base; see Timmer, O’Mahony, and van Ark(2007).

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The same logic could be applied to the problem of finding prices for the use ofcommercial and industrial land in productivity accounts: the “correct” opportunity costprice is the maximum of the financial opportunity cost for using the land during theaccounting period (its ex ante user cost) and the market rent for the use of the land during
the period. If this point of view were adopted, the problem of negative user costs would
vanish.
As a final complication, property taxes that fall on land must be included as part of theuser cost of land. However, it may not be easy to separate the land part of property taxes
from the structures part.
2.7 Resources
The costs of using up nonrenewable natural resources should also be included in a
productivity framework as should environmental degradation and pollution costs.
However, since the current SNA 1993 makes no provision for these costs and mostcountries have not developed data on these costs, we will just mention this topic as one
that deserves attention in the next revision of the System of National Accounts. Whendata on natural resource stocks and environmental “bads” are made available in the SNA,
then we will be able to measure TFP growth in a more satisfactory manner.
2.8 Other Stocks and the Capitalization of R&D Problem
There are also additional types of capital that should be distinguished in a more complete
classification of commodity flows and stocks such as knowledge or intellectual capital,
patents, trademarks, working capital or financial capital, infrastructure capital andentertainment or artistic capital. 8 Knowledge capital, in particular, is important forunderstanding precisely how process and product innovations (which drive TFP growth)
are generated and diffused. Basically, knowledge capital is society’s set of recipes or
blueprints for production functions.
R&D expenditures generally add to society’s stock of knowledge. The immediate
importance of R&D expenditures is that the current revision process for the international
System of National Accounts will recommend capitalizing R&D expenditures. There aremany unresolved issues surrounding exactly how to measure the benefits of R&D
expenditures and exactly how to depreciate the costs of R&D investments over time.9 A
major problem is that there is a tendency in the R&D literature to treat R&D stocks asjust another form of reproducible capital which depreciates just like structures ormachines. However, R&D depreciation is not at all like wear and tear depreciation:knowledge capital depreciates due to obsolescence (new and better goods and processes
replace existing new goods and new processes) or to shifts in household tastes. Moreover,the competitive model of producer behavior serves as the backbone of the existing SNA
production accounts but the development of new goods and processes is all aboutobtaining a competitive advantage and producers must recover their R&D expenditures
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See Corrado, Haltiwanger and Sichel (2005) for papers on these topics.
See Diewert (2005a; 533-537) for a discussion of these accounting problems.

8by setting prices above the marginal costs of production; i.e., innovation almost always
involves noncompetitive pricing and monopolistic markups. Thus the capitalization of
R&D expenditures in the revised SNA is far from straightforward and doing this job
properly will lead to big changes throughout the national accounts. The present
Jorgenson and Griliches (1967) (1972) growth accounting methodology will also have to
be extensively revised in order to account for knowledge expenditures in a realisticmanner.
3. The Treatment of Exports, Imports and Indirect Taxes in the SNA
The measurement problems that were discussed in the previous section are general
problems that arise when we attempt to measure the productivity of any establishment,
industry or economy. However, there are additional measurement problems that arise
when the gross output and intermediate input accounts in the System of National
Accounts 1993 are used to measure the productivity growth of industrial sectors. In
particular, in this age of globalization, we would like to see how exports and imports
contribute to the productivity growth of particular industries in the economy. The
production accounts in SNA 1993 does not allow us to do this.
The main problem areas with the production accounts in SNA 1993 are as follows:
The main supply and use tables in the production accounts10 do not show exports
produced by industry and imports used by industry;
The supply and use tables concentrate on the allocation of values of outputs
produced and values of inputs used but do not give any guidance on how toconstruct real supply and use tables and
The role of indirect taxes on outputs and intermediate inputs is not completelyspelled out nor is the reconciliation of estimates of real GDP at final demand
prices built up from final demand components versus estimates of real GDP built
up using information on industry outputs and intermediate inputs.
We will briefly discuss each problem in turn.
The first problem is easy to remedy, at least conceptually: all that is needed is arefinement of the commodity classification that is used in the present supply and use
tables: a gross output that is being produced by a particular industry in a particularcommodity category would be further distinguished as being supplied to the domestic
market or as an export while an intermediate input that is being used by a particularindustry in a particular commodity category would be further distinguished as being
purchased from a domestic supplier or from a foreign supplier and hence in the latter case,would be classified as an import into the sector. Making the above changes to the main
production accounts in SNA 1993 would not be a dramatic methodological leap since thepresent SNA already suggests the above treatment of intermediate inputs as asupplementary table; see Table 15.5 in Eurostat, IMF, OECD, UN and the World Bank
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See Table 15.1 in Eurostat, IMF, OECD, UN and the World Bank (1993)

9(1993). However, implementing the above extension of the commodity classification in
the main production accounts would entail a considerable increase in the costs ofproducing the national accounts.11 However, if we want to trace through the implicationsof globalization and outsourcing to its effects on particular industries (and in particular,
its effects on productivity by industry), the above suggestion would seem to be the only
way forward.12
The second problem is methodologically much more difficult. Since the SNA 1993 does
not give much advice on how to construct real supply and use matrices, countries that
produce constant dollar input output matrices tend to use the following methodology thathas evolved over the years:
Construct gross output price indexes using a PPI methodology for the 200 to 1000
commodities that are distinguished by the statistical agency in its supply and use
tables;Use these output based PPI indexes to deflate the cells in the corresponding
commodity row along all of the industry columns of the matrix of gross output
values produced during the accounting period in order to obtain a matrix of real
gross outputs by commodity and industry (which is a real make matrix) andAgain use the output based PPI indexes to deflate the cells in the corresponding
commodity row along all of the industry columns of the matrix of intermediate
input values purchased during the accounting period in order to obtain a matrix ofreal intermediate inputs by commodity and industry (which is a real use matrix).
The statistical agency then may note that total real supply by commodity does not equal
the corresponding total real demand by commodity and various balancing exercises are
made in order to achieve balance between supply and demand.
Unfortunately, the above procedures used to construct real supply and use matrices are
not conceptually sound. The main problem is this: not all of the transactions in a single
homogeneous commodity take place at the same price. A seller of a commodity willoften change the selling price during the reference period and since purchases of thecommodity will be somewhat sporadic over the period, different purchasers will facedifferent average prices for the same time period. This problem could be handled in oneof two ways:
Across the commodity row of the make and use matrices, we could have industry
specific prices or
We could expand the make and use tables so that we distinguish the delivery of
goods and services by the purchaser and the seller.
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In particular, the country’s Producer Price Index program would require extra funding along withincreased expenditures on import and export surveys. The proposed IMF Export Import Price Index
Manual will be methodologically consistent with the existing PPI Manual; see the IMF, Eurostat, ILO,
OECD, World Bank and the UN (2004) for the PPI methodology.
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For a more detailed discussion of how exports and imports could be introduced into the production
accounts, see Diewert (2007b) (2007c).

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In the second method, the average price for the buyer and seller, arranged in bilateralpairs, would always be the same but of course, the dimensionality of the supply and use
tables would be expanded enormously.13
The above problem is not the only one with existing statistical agency methods forconstructing real use and make matrices. Another important problem is aggregation
bias; i.e., the commodity classification used in real use and supply matrices is not “pure”;
each commodity category will consist of hundreds if not thousands of specific products
or items. Since producers will generally not make each of the products in each of thecommodity classes and purchasers will not purchase each item in fixed proportions, again
we see that the assumption that a single price index can be used to deflate every entry
along a commodity row in a supply or use matrix is very dubious indeed.
The tentative conclusion that we can draw from the above considerations is that real use
and supply matrices as presently constructed will generally have substantial aggregation
errors imbedded in them. Hence industry productivity estimates must be viewed withsome caution. Economy wide productivity estimates are likely to be much more accurate
because statistical agencies have generally devoted considerable amounts of resources inorder to obtain good deflators for the components of final demand whereas the problemof finding PPI deflators has not had a high priority until recently when more accurate
productivity estimates by industry have been requested by users.
The third problem with the SNA production accounts that we mentioned at the beginningof this section had to do with the role of indirect taxes on outputs and intermediate inputs
and the reconciliation of estimates of real final demand GDP with estimates of real GDP
built up from the production accounts. We will not explain these problems in detail
except to say that they can be solved with the addition of a bit more information on
indirect taxes by commodity and industry in some expanded supply and use tables.14
4. Price and Output Measurement for Financial Services
One of the most difficult to measure parts of the System of National Accounts and theConsumer and Producer Price Indexes is the measurement of the outputs (and the inputs)of the financial sector. The pricing of financial services is so controversial that there has
not been general agreement on how to measure the value of various types of financial
services like banking and insurance outputs and there is even less agreement on how tomeasure the quantity (or price) of financial services.15 Most Consumer Price Indexes,
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This second method of arranging the make and use matrices was followed in Chapter 19 of the PPIManual and in Diewert (2005c) (2007b) (2007c). This second method seems to be the most conceptuallysound but of course, it would be impossible for statistical agencies to implement it in practice. However, it
could be partially implemented and the method serves as a useful benchmark for evaluating possible biases
in existing methods.
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See Diewert (2005c) for a treatment of these problems in a closed economy context and Diewert (2007b)(2007c) for an open economy treatment.
15
The best reference on measurement problems in the services sector in general, including financial
services, is probably Triplett and Bosworth (2004). For a (positive) review of their work, see Diewert(2005d). See also Schreyer and Stauffer (2003) on financial services measurement problems.

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including the U.S. CPI, exclude many financial services because CPI methodology
regards these services as costs of moving consumption from one period to another period
and hence regards these costs as being out of scope. However, Fixler (2007) makes acase for including these transactions costs in a CPI:
“Similarly, professional fees that are associated with financial management, such as accounting, areincluded in CPIs while fees for services such as financial advice, or portfolio management are generally
excluded. However, this notion is inconsistent with the fact that the purchase of financial services by aconsumer is consumption in the current period even though the purpose of the services is to increase
income in subsequent periods. Therefore, these services should be included in the domain of a CPI. In
principle, all financial services should be candidates for inclusion in a CPI.”

The point that Fixler makes is that since households are spending their resources on thesefinancial services, they must be getting some benefit or utility from the purchase of theseproducts and hence these products belong in the CPI. However, proponents of excludingthese products from the CPI might argue in return that these products seem to beunconnected to this period’s consumption so perhaps they should be regarded as part of
the household’s home production sector and hence be excluded from the current period
CPI, which is supposed to measure the price of current consumption. This point of view
could be accepted except that we need to ensure that these costs are captured somewherein the household accounts. On the other hand, advocates of Fixler’s position could
respond by saying that it is well established that the inputs purchased by households forhome production, which in turn produces final consumption services, are generally inscope for a CPI and so we are back to Fixler’s position.
Fixler (2007) constructs a financial services price index for households in the U.S. byusing the BEA’s data base on Personal Consumption Expenditures. The twocontroversial components in Fixler’s experimental household financial services index are
imputed household bank deposit services and imputed household loan services. We will
explain Fixler’s theoretical user cost framework for modeling these two components ofhousehold financial services in a bit of detail (using somewhat different notation than heused) because this will help introduce the reader to some of the difficult issues that arisein this banking literature.
Following Fixler (2007), suppose that the household reference rate of return on safe
assets is rR for the period under consideration and the banking sector pays on average aninterest rate of rD on bank deposits. Then the beginning of the period user cost uD ofholding a dollar of deposits (on average) throughout the period will be:16(1) u D1

(1 + rD)/(1 + rR) = (rRrD)/(1 + rR).

Thus the depositor gives up one unit of purchasing power at the beginning of the period
in exchange for deposit services but gets back his or her deposit at the end of the period
plus the amount of interest that the bank pays for deposits held during the period, rD.
However, money received at the end of the period is worth less than money received at
the beginning of the period and so the end of period money received, 1 + rD, must be
divided by 1 plus the depositor’s opportunity cost of financial capital, rR. Thus the net
cost of holding one dollar of deposits over the period is 1 less (1 + rD)/(1 + rR),which is16

For additional material on the user cost of money and bank deposits, see Diewert (1974), Barnett (1978),Donovan (1978) and Fixler and Zieschang (1991) (1992) (1999).

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the nominal user cost of money. Usually, the household reference rate rR will be greaterthan the bank deposit rate rD. Note that the costs and benefits of holding the bank deposit
are discounted to the beginning of the period. However, it is possible to reverse discountthe costs and benefits to the end of the period and this leads to the following end of theperiod user cost UD of holding a deposit:17(2) UD(1 + rR ) u D = rRrD.

End of period user costs are more consistent with accounting conventions and they aresimpler to interpret so we will work with them in what follows.
Given the end of period user cost for a bank deposit, UD, and the (asset) value ofhousehold bank deposits VD, the imputed (nominal) value of bank deposit services, SD, isdefined as the product of UD and VD :(3) SD

UDVD = (rRrD )VD .

However, the above model is not quite a complete one; i.e., we have not specified what
the real quantity of deposit services is; (3) just defines the nominal value of deposit
services. In order to determine what the real quantity of monetary services is, it isnecessary to ask exactly what the purpose of these household deposits are. If the purpose
is to buy consumer goods and services, then it seems reasonable to deflate VD by thecorresponding consumer price index (excluding financial services), PC say, and define thereal quantity of bank deposit services, QD, as follows:18(4) QD

VD/PC.

Using (3) and (4), we see that the final price for bank deposit services must be PD defined
as follows:(5) PD(rRrD)PC = SD/QD.

It should be noted that Fixler did not use a consumer price index PC in order to form realbalances QD; instead he used the U.S. gross domestic purchases chain price index as his
deflator.19

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See Diewert (2005a; 485-486) for a discussion of beginning and end of period user costs.
Since prices are discounted to the end of the period, PC should be the consumer price index value that
corresponds to the end of the period in order to reflect opportunity costs at that time. Feenstra (1986)
provides a formal model of a cash in advance economy that justifies the deflation of nominal householdbank balances by a consumer price index.
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Here is perhaps our first point of controversy in this literature: what exactly is the “right” deflator to be
used in (4) in order to form real balances? Basu in his commentary on Fixler notes that we need an
appropriate theoretical framework in order to decide this question and other questions which will follow.
The problem is that “practical” price statisticians and national income accountants need answers which areat least approximately consistent with economic theory (and relatively simple so that they can be explained
to the public) right now but there is little professional consensus on what the “right” model is.
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Fixler goes on to derive the net benefit to a bank of a consumer loan. Fixler assumes thatthe bank has the same opportunity cost for financial capital as households so that thebank’s reference rate is also rR and it makes loans to households at the rate of interest rL
which is greater that rR. Then the beginning of the period user benefit u L to the bank ofmaking a household loan is:(6) u L

1 + (1 + rL)/(1 + rR) = (rLrR )/(1 + rR).

Fixler assumes that households face the same price u L as the user cost of their loans fromthe bank. Now we can follow through the same logic that was used in equations (2)-(5)and define the household end of the period user cost UL of taking a bank loan by (7):(7) UL(1 + rR ) u L = rL

rR.

Given the end of period household user cost for a bank loan, UL, and the (asset) value ofhousehold bank loans VL, the imputed (nominal) value of household bank loan services,SL, is defined as the product of UL and VL:(8) SLU LVL = (rLrR)VL.

Note that SL just defines the nominal value of household loan services. In order todetermine what the real quantity of monetary services is, it is necessary to ask exactly
what the purpose of these household loans are. If the purpose is to make homerenovations or purchase a car, then the corresponding loan values should probably be
deflated by these prices. Although Fixler does not deflate VL by a different deflator thanthe one he used to deflate household bank deposits, it is simple enough conceptually to
deflate VL by a more appropriate deflator, PA say, and define the real quantity of bankhousehold loan services, QL, as follows:(9) QL

VL/P A.

Using (8) and (9), we see that the final price for household bank loan services must be PL
defined as follows:(10) PL(rLrR)PA = SL/QL.

In his paper, Fixler (2007) uses the above theory in order to construct various alternative
financial services price indexes using BEA quarterly data over the period 1987-2003 andfinds (not surprisingly) that the various alternative treatments do make a difference.
Basu (2007), in his commentary on Fixler’s paper, notes the ambiguity in choosing thedeflator for converting nominal financial values into real ones:“But what is the right price index? One might divide by the GDP deflator, on the grounds that it is the mostcomprehensive, or by the CPI, on the grounds that consumers use bank deposits to buy consumption goods.
When issues of this importance are left ambiguous, it is usually a sign that more detailed theorizing isnecessary.”

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Basu is surely on target in his criticism of the details of the user cost approach to defining
nominal and real bank outputs. Two questions arise from the brief exposition of the user
cost approach outlined above:
Should the same reference rate be used for defining the user costs for householdbank deposits and for household bank loans?
What are the appropriate price deflators to convert nominal financial service
flows into real flows? In particular, should these deflators be the same across the
suppliers and users of financial capital?20
We agree with Basu that more detailed theories are required in order to answer the above
questions.
Basu goes on to criticize another aspect of the above user cost approach to modeling theprice and quantity of financial services in that he is critical of equations (4) and (9) above,
which define the real quantity of financial services as being proportional to stocks offinancial assets held by banks or households. Basu suggests that direct measures of theservices rendered by consuming financial services be constructed and then the nominal
service flows would be deflated by these direct measures, yielding an implicit price index
for the services, as an alternative to deflating nominal asset holdings by a price index.
Basu then completes his commentary by outlining his alternative approach which has
been jointly developed by himself and Christina Wang and John Fernald; see Wang, Basuand Fernald (2007). In principle, there can be no objection to Basu’s suggested approach:a value aggregate is equal to the product of price times quantity so if we know the value
and either price or quantity, that is all that is required. The devil is in the details; i.e., adetailed model developed by user cost advocates such as Fixler can be compared to thedetailed model developed by Basu and his coworkers and users can decide whichframework seems more reasonable.
The above material provides an introduction to Wang, Basu and Fernald (2007) (hereafterreferred to as WBF), who also present a framework for defining bank output, bothnominal and real. WBF are critical of the SNA 1993 method for defining the value ofbanking output services and so it will be useful to first discuss the measurement ofbanking services in the context of the System of National Accounts (SNA).
With the exception of banking services (or financial intermediation services moregenerally), SNA 1993 treats interest payments as transfer payments in the primary
distribution of income accounts; i.e., interest flows are generally treated as primary input
flows between sectors. In order to understand the treatment of banking services
advocated by WBF, it will be useful to construct a very simple model of the value flows
in a three sector model of a closed economy. The three sectors are H, the household
sector, B, the banking sector and N, the nonfinancial production sector. The price andquantity of explicitly priced banking services are PB and YB and the price and quantity ofnonfinancial consumption are PN and YN respectively. The price and quantity ofnonfinancial, nondurable primary inputs (labour) for the banking sector are WB and XB
20

The answer to this last question is: probably not. The deflator for the supplier of the funds should be theprice of the foregone alternative while the price to the user of the funds should be related to the intended
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and for the nonfinancial sector are WN and XN respectively. Only consumers holddeposit balances of VD in beginning of the period dollars and the bank interest rate on
deposits is rD. Only the production sector secures financial capital from the banking
sector and the value of these loans at the beginning of the period is VL and the associatedone period interest rate is rL. Finally, the beginning of the period value of householdloans and equity capital to the banking sector is VEB and to the nonfinancial production
sector is VEN and the rates of return on these investments (including imputed rates ofreturn on equity capital) are rEB and rEN respectively.21 With the above definitions, we
can now put together a picture of the intersectoral flows in the economy in Table 1.22
Table 1: Modified SNA Intersectoral Value Flows with no Imputations
Row H

B

N

Net

Output FlowsPBYB + PNYN

PBYB

PNYN

Primary

Input

Flows

2

WBXB + WNXN

WBXB

WNXN

3

rEBVEB + rENVEN rEBVEBrENVEN

4

rDVD

0

5

0

1

rDVD
rLVL

rLVL

The value flows in each row of column H in Table 1 are equal to the sum of thecorresponding value flows in columns B and N so that each row reflects the fact that thevalue of household demand (or supply) for each commodity equals the corresponding
aggregate production sector supply (or demand) for the same commodity.23 We also
assume for simplicity that the value flows in row 1 of the table are equal to the sum of thevalue flows in rows 2-5 of the table for each column so that there are no net savings in

21

All of these prices can be interpreted as ex ante expected prices or ex post actual realized prices
depending on the purpose of the accounts at hand.
22
SNA 1993 does not correspond precisely to the flows laid out in Table 1; i.e., neglecting the FISIM
imputations, rows 3-5 in Table 1 would be consolidated in SNA 1993 as net operating surplus, which inturn is equal to the row 1 entries less the row 2 entries. We will follow Rymes (1968) (1983) and regard
net operating surplus as a repository for interest waiting services, which we regard as a primary input.
Thus we have changed net operating surplus from a balancing item in the SNA to a reward for postponing
consumption, a service whose price is the interest rate.
23
Since the value flows in rows 1, 2 and 3 of Table 1 are not controversial, we have aggregated the various
value flows across commodities to make the table smaller.

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the economy. These two sets of adding up assumptions mean that we can estimate Net
National Product (NNP)24 in nominal terms in any one of four ways:
As the value in row 1 and column H (final demand NNP);As the sum of the values in row 1 and columns B and N (production accounts
sum of value added across industries);
As the sum of the values in rows 2-5 and column H (household net income), or
As the sum of the values in rows 2-5 and columns B and N (production
accounts distribution of primary factor income generated by production).
There is nothing problematic about the entries in rows 1-3 of Table 1. However,problems arise when we consolidate the interest flows listed in rows 3-5. The totalinterest income received by households is the sum of equity and direct loan interest
income received from the banking sector and the nonfinancial production sector, rEBVEB+ rENVEN, plus bank interest paid on household bank deposits, rDVD. This is not a
problem nor is the fact that the nonfinancial sector pays out interest payments of rENVEN
to households and rLVL to the banking sector. The problem is that the consolidated net
interest payments made by the banking sector to other sectors, rEBVEB (equity and loaninterest payments to households) plus rDVD (interest payments to households for the useof their bank deposits) less rLVL (loan interest received from the nonfinancial production
sector), will be a negative number in all real life economies.25 This negative number will
decrease the value added generated by the banking sector and if explicit fee revenue iszero, the value added of the banking sector will turn out to be zero as well. Thus thecontribution of the banking sector to NNP seems to be understated.
The 1993 version of the System of National Accounts (SNA) recognized the above
problem that banking sector output seemed to be understated in the SNA production
accounts as they were originally designed. 26 It is worth quoting in some detail thesolution that SNA 1993 suggested for this problem:“Some financial intermediaries are able to provide services for which they do not charge explicitly by
paying or charging different rates of interest to borrowers or lenders (and to different categories ofborrowers and lenders). They pay lower rates of interest than would otherwise be the case to those who
lend them money and charge higher rates of interest to those who borrow from them. The resulting net
receipts of interest are used to defray their expenses and provide an operating surplus. This scheme ofinterest rates avoids the need to charge their customers individually for services provided and leads to thepattern of interest rates observed in practice. However, in this situation, the System must use an indirect
measure, financial intermediation services indirectly measured (FISIM), of the value of services for which
the intermediaries do not charge explicitly.
“The total value of FISIM is measured in the System as the total property income receivable by financial
intermediaries minus their total interest payable, excluding the value of any property income receivablefrom the investment of their own funds, as such income does not arise from financial intermediation.
Whenever the production of output is recorded in the System, the use of that output must be explicitly
24

We have not introduced a separate investment sector so it can be thought of as being part of the general
nonfinancial production sector N. We are implicitly assuming that depreciation is treated as anintermediate input and acts as an offset to gross investment.
25
Formally, this will be true in our simplified model if explicit fee bank revenue, P BYB, is less than banknonfinancial primary input payments, WBXB.
26
Earlier versions of the SNA also recognized that there was a problem measuring banking output.

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accounted for elsewhere in the System. Hence FISIM must be recorded as being disposed of in one ormore of the following ways—as intermediate consumption by enterprises, as final consumption byhouseholds, or as exports to non-residents. ...
“For the System as a whole, the allocation of FISIM among different categories of users is equivalent toreclassifying certain parts of interest payments as payments for services. This reclassification has
important consequences for the values of certain aggregate flows of goods and services—output,
intermediate and final consumption, imports and exports—which affect the values added of particularindustries and sectors and also total gross domestic product (GDP). There are also implications for theflows of interest recorded in the primary distribution of income accounts.” Eurostat, IMF, OECD, UN and
the World Bank (1993, pp.139-140).

As can be seen from the above, it is not a trivial matter to make an imputation in the SNA.
Unfortunately, the banking imputation solution suggested by SNA 1993 was soon
attacked on the details of its implementation; it proved to be difficult to figure out how to
do the imputations for banking services, taking into account the exclusion of the property
income generated by the banking sector’s own funds.27 Thus we will not examine thedetails of the FISIM imputation; instead, we will provide our own solution to theunderstatement of banking sector output in the SNA.
As a first step towards a resolution of the banking problem, we could take the loan anddeposit interest flows of the banking sector out of the primary input flows and instead,treat them as output or intermediate input flows. Thus in Table 2, we have taken lines 4
and 5 out of Table 1, changed the signs of these entries and inserted the resulting lines
into the Net Output flows of the accounts. Note that this reclassification of primary input
flows into net intermediate input flows does not change the profitability of each sector
and the demand equals supply restrictions on the production and use of commodities arestill maintained.28
Table 2: Reclassified SNA Intersectoral Value Flows with no Imputations
Row H
1

N

Net

Output FlowsPBYB + PNYN

PBYB

2
3

B

rDVD

rDVD

PNYN
0

0

rLVL

rLVL

Primary

Input

Flows

4

WBXB + WNXN

WBXB

WNXN

5

rEBVEB + rENVEN rEBVEBrENVEN27

See Hill (1996) for an early influential criticism of the SNA’s FISIM imputation and Sakuma (2006) for
a comprehensive review of the criticisms of the FISIM imputation.
28
The Table 2 accounting setup seems to be consistent with the Ruggles and Ruggles (1970) and Triplettand Bosworth (2004; 201) measure of bank output, which regarded banking as a margin industry similar towholesaling or retailing.

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Note that our reclassification of some of the primary input income flows into net
intermediate input flows has the effect of decreasing NNP; i.e., the new NNP is equal to
the sum of rows 1 and 2 down column H (and of course, there are three other ways of
calculating NNP) which is PBYB + PNYN rDVD , which is less than the Table 5 NNP of
PBYB + PNYN. The net output of the banking sector is now the sum of explicit fee income,PBYB, plus its loan interest revenue, rLVL, less its deposit interest payments to households,
rLVL. Thus the banking sector’s net interest income is the difference rLVL rDVD , andthus the industry is treated as a kind of financial margin industry, similar to wholesalingor retailing, except that the product being bought and sold is the use of financial capitalfor one period instead of specific goods. The net output of the nonfinancial production
sector is now the value of nonfinancial goods and services produced less loan interest
payments, PNYN rLVL, which is (much) less than the corresponding contribution to
NNP in Table 5, which was PNYN. Thus the net effect of the above reclassifications is to:
Decrease NNP;
Decrease the contribution of the nonfinancial production sector to NNP and
Increase the contribution of the banking sector to NNP so that even if explicitly
priced bank services are zero, the banking sector will make a positive contribution
to production.
The accounting framework defined by Table 2 seems at first sight to be satisfactory but
there are some residual problems remaining:
Household banking deposit services do not contribute anything to NNP; in fact,
they are regarded as a drain on NNP;
The output of the banking sector now seems to be too large compared to the
output of the nonfinancial production sector, whereas before, it appeared to be too
small and
Explicit financial services of the banking sector to both households and to thenonfinancial sector (of the type discussed by Fixler (2007)) are not recognized in
the above accounting framework.
We can now relate the above material to the contributions to the banking literature in
Fixler (2007) and Wang, Basu and Fernald (2007). Fixler suggests that the contributionof deposit services to NNP should be (rR rD)VD where rR is a reference safe interest rateinstead of the present negative contribution of rDVD. Using Fixler’s user cost of loans
analysis, he would also suggest that the banking sector’s service in providing loan
services to the nonfinancial sector should be (rL rR)VL instead of rLVL. WBF would go
further and say that Fixler’s suggested measure of banking loan services is still too large;
they would replace (rL rR)VL by (rL rRB)VL where rRB is a reference rate which ishigher than the safe interest rate rR (but still lower than the bank lending rate of rL) due tothe inclusion of risk premium in rRB. Basically, what WBF assume is that households
take all the risks in the economy; banks have only a screening and monitoring of loans
function, and the price for this service is collected via the (smaller) interest rate margin,
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Our task now is to show how the accounts in Table 2 can be modified to deal with thethree difficulties noted above. We will be more general than Fixler at this stage andassume that the household opportunity cost reference rate for holding bank deposits is rRH
and we assume that the banks opportunity cost reference rate for raising capital for loan
purposes is rRB .29 Thus the appropriate household value of deposit services is (rRH
rD)VD and the appropriate value of banking loan services is (rL rRB)VL. We can obtain
the entry (rRH rD)VD in row 2 and column H of Table 3 by adding rRHVD to thecorresponding entry in Table 2. In order to offset this imputation and to ensure that thevalue of output is equal to the value of input by sector, we need to also add rRHVD as an
extra imputed income for the household sector; we do this in Table 3 by adding rRHVD tohousehold income in a new row 6, which accounts for our income imputations. But these
two imputations to the household column of the accounts have upset the net demand
equals net supply restrictions that our system of production accounts should possess.
Hence we also need to add rRHVD to rows 2 and 6 of the banking column of our accounts.
A similar set of imputations will work for bank loans. Thus subtract rRBVL from row 3 ofcolumn B in Table 2 and we obtain the WBF suggested measure of nominal banking loan
services (provided that the banking reference rate rRB contains the risk premium), (rLrRB)VL. In order to ensure that the value of banking outputs equals the value of banking
inputs, we need to subtract rRBVL from the income components of the banking column
and so we do this in row 6 of Table 3. Again, these two imputations to the banking
column of the accounts have upset the net demand equals net supply restrictions that oursystem of production accounts should possess. Hence we also need to add rRBVL to rows
3 and 6 of the N column of our accounts. After making these eight imputations, theresulting system of accounts is given in Table 3.30

29

Of course, if one feels that the reference interest rate (used to discount future cash flows) should be thesame for households and banks, then we simply set the two reference rates to a common reference rate.
30
The two zeros in Table 3 reflect our simplifying assumptions that (i) banks do not make loans tohouseholds and (ii) the nonfinancial sector does not hold any bank deposits. However, following ourearlier logic, the reader can see how to relax these assumptions. The cost of relaxing these assumptions
will be an additional eight imputations.

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Table 3: Reclassified SNA Intersectoral Value Flows with Imputations
Row H

B

N

Net

OutputFlows

1

PBYB + PNYN

PBYB

PNYN

2

(rRH

(rRH

rD)VD

3

0

(rL

rRB )VL

Primary

Input

Flows

4

WBXB + WNXN

WBXB

WNXN

5

rEBVEB + rENVEN rEBVEBrENVEN

6

rRHVD

rD)VD

rRHVD

0
(rL

rRB )VLrRBVL rRBVL

The value of banking sector outputs in Table 3 now consists of three output terms insteadof the previous two output terms (and one intermediate input term) in Table 3: the sum of
explicitly priced services, PBYB, bank deposit service margins, (rRH rD)VD, and bankloan margin services, (rL rRB)VL. Assuming that these service margins are positive, it
can be seen that the Table 3 NNP is larger than the Table 1 NNP which in turn is larger
than the Table 2 NNP. Assuming that gross banking service margins, rLVL rDVD are
greater than net banking service margins, (rL rRB)VL + (rRH rD)VD, which in turn are
positive, it can be seen that the banking sector makes the smallest contribution to NNP
using the Table 1 accounting framework and the largest contribution using the Table 2
framework so that our final framework gives an intermediate sized contribution. The
disadvantage of the Table 1 setup is that the banking sector makes no contribution to
NNP. One advantage of the Table 3 setup over the Table 2 setup is that the separate
contributions of the banking sector to the provision of deposit services and loan services
is now explicit whereas in Table 2, we can see only an aggregate services contribution.
Of course, a disadvantage of the Table 3 framework is that we now have to specify
reference rates for deposits and loans and this may prove to be contentious.
Comparing the income sides of Tables 2 and 3, it can be seen that household nominal
income (which is equal to nominal NNP) increases going from Table 2 to 3 by rRHVD, theproduct of the household reference interest rate rRH times the value of household bankdeposits, VD. Turning to the production side of the income accounts, as we go from
Table 2 to 3, it can be seen that the net income generated by the banking sector will
decrease while the net income attributed to the nonfinancial production sector will greatly
increase by the amount rRBVL, which is the reference interest rate for the banking sector,
rRB, times the value of bank loans to the nonfinancial production sector, VL. Thus itappears that the series of imputations made going from Table 2 to 3 is one way of
implementing the WBF view of the world where the banking sector simply acts as a

21mechanism for transferring income generated by the nonfinancial production sector to thehousehold sector.
Perhaps the biggest advantage of the Table 3 imputations framework is that it can bereadily integrated with a coherent system of sectoral productivity accounts. The next
revision of the SNA will make provision for capital services to appear in the production
accounts. If we attempt to model the provision of capital services using the Table 2
accounting framework, we will have to convert the financial flows in rows 3 and 5(which are the intermediate and primary input interest flows
rLVL and rENVEN
respectively) into the waiting services part of the user cost of capital,31 so that capital
services will appear in both the intermediate and primary input parts of the accounts. On
the other hand, if we use the Table 3 framework, the flow of waiting services of capitalwill be collected together in rows 5 and 6 of the nonfinancial production sector accounts,
rENVEN plus rRBVL, so that all of these capital services will appear only in the primary
input accounts of the industries that use the capital services.32 However, note that if theTable 3 accounting framework is used in constructing productivity accounts, then bankdeposits should be treated as a capital asset in these accounts.
There are many other issues which are raised by the measurement of bank output andinput and the FISIM imputations raised by the discussant of WBF, Schreyer (2007b).
Schreyer noted that WBF focus on the flow of financial services whereas earlier strandsof research focused on banks as providers of financial capital to borrowers. Roughly
speaking, the WBF view of the world is the Table 3 view whereas the earlier viewcorresponds to Table 2. Schreyer raises a number of issues that arise out of the WBF
paper:
Do financial institutions take on any risk themselves or do the risks simply flow
through to householders (or more generally, the sectors that make up final
demand)?33
What is the scope of financial services? In the European Union, Schreyer notesthat the SNA measure of financial services is based solely on bank deposits andloans whereas the U.S. national accounts takes a wider perspective and considers
all assets and liabilities that earn interest or imputed interest. We favour thewider perspective.

31

Recall that we are assuming that the depreciation part of the user cost of capital appears as anintermediate input rather than as a primary input.
32
Thus the financial service flows, rENVEN plus rRBV L, will be set equal to rAPKK where r A is an average ofthe interest rates rEN and r RB, PK is the stock price of a unit of capital and K is the number of units of capital
available for use by the nonfinancial firm at the beginning of the period. Thus the “right” price to deflate
the nominal asset values V L and VEN into quantities would appear to be the asset price of capital, PK. For
an explicit intertemporal model for a financial intermediary sector which takes loans from households anduses these loans to purchase capital stocks and then to lease them out to producers, see Diewert (1977; 84).
33
If there is only one household in the economy, then the WBF point of view seems to be justified; i.e., that
all risk in the economy must be taken on by the single household. This justifies the Fixler point of viewthat the reference rate should be the same across sectors as well; however, WBF would argue that the single
rate should be the risky rate and not the risk free rate. But when we turn to a world with many households,
there is scope for different reference rates, reflecting the risk characteristics of households who hold bankdeposits versus households who own shares in banks.

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The issues of imputed interest flows on equity capital and capital gains on assets
arise. We agree with WBF and Schreyer that expected holding gains are an
important part of the return to capital on many financial instruments and these
expected holding gains should be included in income measures.
There are some subtle issues involving the accounting treatment of loan services.
According to WBF, the loan services provided by a bank are monitoring andscreening services. However, the screening service occurs just before the loan
occurs. If banks were able to charge a specific fee for this screening service,
then there would be no accounting problems for the bank (but there would be
accounting problems for the borrower since this transactions cost should
probably be spread over the life of the loan, leading to an accounting problem).
However, since banks are usually not able to charge a specific fee for theirscreening services, in this case, the imputed fee is equal to the discounted
present value of the excess interest margins that they earn on the loan times thedeclining value of the loan. It will not be straightforward to calculate thisexpected present value in the period when the loan will be made and thus again,
there is an accounting problem.
The final problem that Schreyer raises is how to estimate the size of the risk
premium. Empirical estimates of the risk premium seem to be too small butthese estimates are based on expected utility maximization problems. Research
has shown that we need to move to non-expected utility maximization
frameworks in order to obtain more realistic estimates of the equity risk
premium.
It can be seen that the measurement of banking sector outputs and inputs raises many
significant methodological problems, not only for price measurement, but also for the
System of National Accounts. There is also the possibility that the FISIM banking
imputations lead to some problems in reconciling capital services input from productivity
accounts with intermediate input capital services. More research on the role of financial
intermediaries and their integration into the SNA is urgently needed.
5. Conclusion
From the list of problems that were discussed above, it can be seen that we are somedistance away from being able to accurately measure the productivity performance ofindividual sectors of the economy due to difficulties in constructing real input output
tables. The imputation problems caused by the SNA FISIM imputations may also makeit difficult to measure industry productivity growth. Finally, if we want to trace out theeffects of globalization by industry, changes to the SNA will be required.
My paper seems to be a bit negative. However, I do not mean to imply that it is not
worthwhile undertaking productivity studies by industry; it is just that we have to realizethat better data in the future may make the currently available estimates obsolete.
Another point that I wish to make in conclusion is that we must ask that governments
provide more resources to statistical agencies so that we can better measure economic

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growth, welfare and the productivity contributions of industry to improving welfare. It is
not the fault of statistical agencies that the pace of technical progress has greatly
increased in recent years, leading to a proliferation of new products and leading todifficulties with traditional matched model methods for constructing price indexes. On
the other hand, it seems necessary that statistical agencies and international organizations
concerned with economic measurement provide governments and the public a wellthought out plan for improving economic measurement in coming years.
Academics can also play a role in improving economic measurement by providing
practical methodologies for measuring the prices of goods and services in difficult tomeasure areas such as banking.
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