ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 N

3349/WG2 N 2069
Date: 1999-08-19

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2
CODED CHARACTER SETS
SECRETARIAT: JAPAN (JISC)

DOC TYPE:

Summary of Voting/Table of Replies

TITLE:

Summary of Voting on SC 2 N 3309, ISO/IEC 10646-1/FPDAM 30, Universal
Multiple-Octet Coded Character Set (UCS) -- Part 1: Architecture and BasicMultilingual Plane -- AMENDMENT 30: Additional Latin and other characters

SOURCE:

Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2

PROJECT:

JTC 1.02.18.01.30

STATUS:This voting summary is forwarded to WG 2 for consideration. WG 2 isrequested to prepare a disposition of comments report, revised text and arecommendation for further processing.

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Summary of Voting on SC 2 N 3309
P-member

Armenia
Australia
Austria
BelgiumBrazilCanadaChina
Denmark
Egypt
FinlandFranceGermany
GreeceIceland
India

Approve

Approve with
Comments

Disapprove

AbstainComment

X

No technical expertise

X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X*

To be submitted.

X*

Attachment 1

X*

Attachment 2

X*

Attachment 3
Attachment 4

Iran, Islamic Republic ofIreland
IsraelItaly
Japan
Korea, Rep. ofMorocco
Netherlands
NorwayPolandRomania
Russian Federation
Singapore
Slovenia
SwedenThailand
Tunisia
TurkeyUKUSAViet Nam
Yugoslavia

XX
X
XX
XX
XX

X

17TotalOthersPortugal (O)Mongolia

118

4411X
X

*= Acceptance of comments and appropriate changes in the text will change the vote to approval.

Irish comments on FCD ISO/IEC 10646-1/FPDAM 30 (Additional Latin andother characters)
Reference: SC2 N3309
Closes: 1999-08-16
Date: 1999-07-12
Ireland disapproves the draft with the technical comments given below. Appropriate changes
to the text in accordance with these comments will change our vote to Yes.
1. Six characters in this FPDAM must be deleted. Although characters similar to these areindeed used in Kildin Sámi, both the names and glyphs of the characters in this FPDAM areincorrect. This information was obtained in meetings with Rimma Kuruč in Tromsø earlier thisyear. Rimma is the author of the large Sámi-Russian dictionary.
The characters in question are:

€ 04C9CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I WITH DESCENDER‡ 04CACYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHORT I WITH DESCENDER• 04C5CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EL WITH DESCENDER

ˆ 04C6CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EL WITH DESCENDER‚ 04CDCYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EM WITH DESCENDER‰ 04CECYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EM WITH DESCENDER

As it happens, a false identification was made with the Kildin Sámi characters and characters
WITH DESCENDER. But the TAIL on Kildin Sámi characters is very different from a descender. Thefollowing characters should be added to the UCS to support Kildin Sámi.

Ø 04C9CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I WITH TAILÙCYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHORT I WITH TAIL04CA¼ 04C5CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EL WITH TAIL

1Irish comments on FPDAM 30 Page 2½04C6CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EL WITH TAIL

Ë 04CD CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EM WITH TAIL
Ì 04CE CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EM WITH TAIL
¾ (048A) CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EN WITH TAIL¿(048B)CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EN WITH TAIL

We encourage WG2 to accept these characters into the Bucket for future standardization.
Compare a set of characters with true descenders in plain and italic styles with the Kildin Sámicharacters. The two-stroke 7-shaped TAIL differs markedly from the one-stroke DESCENDER. In asans serif font the nature of the TAIL is particularly clear.

¾¿ÃÄ–ö™ùØÙ¼½ËÌ¾¿¾¿ÃÄ–ö™ùØÙ¼½ËÌ¾¿¾¿ÃÄ–ö™ùØÙ¼½ËÌ¾¿¾¿ÃÄ–ö™ùØÙ¼½ËÌ¾¿Note that TSE and SHCHA often appear in Kildin Sámi texts.
2. The glyph for the SEMISOFT SIGNs should be improved. The crossbar should be at caps height
and the extension above the crossbar should be unserifed and higher than caps height.
Compare the SOFT SIGN with the SEMISOFT SIGN below.

œüœüÁÏÁÏ3. The glyph for the DRACHMA SIGN should be improved. Compare the glyphs used in the draftfor Unicode 3.0 and the new draft of the Latin/Greek part of ISO/IEC 8859.

Attachment 2 - Norway
Norway votes "NO" to FPDAM30 for the following reason:
6 of the proposed Cyrillic characters were, due to a mistake, unified with charactersmodified with the DESCENDER. This concerns the following characters:
04C5, CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EL WITH DESCENDER
04C6, CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EL WITH DESCENDER
04C9, CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I WITH DESCENDER
04CA, CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHORT I WITH DESCENDER
04CD, CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EM WITH DESCENDER
04CE, CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EM WITH DESCENDER
These characters should thus be REMOVED from the FPDAM.
Instead, the 6 positions should be filled with the same basic letters , but modified
WITH TAIL and not WITH DESCENDER:
04C5, CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EL WITH TAIL
04C6, CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EL WITH TAIL
04C9, CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I WITH TAIL
04CA, CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHORT I WITH TAIL
04CD, CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EM WITH TAIL
04CE, CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EM WITH TAIL
Furthermore, two letters should be added:(048A), CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EN WITH TAIL
(048B), CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EN WITH TAIL
TAIL is clearly distinguished from DESCENDER, in having two parts: a line drawn
straight to the right out of the lower right corner of the letter, starting a bit to the left ofthe corner, and a diagonal line down to the left from the right end of the first line (theresult looks like the digit "7" attached with the upper horizontal bar of the "7" attachedto the bottom of the right leg of the letter). DESCENDER has one part, a straight line
attached at the right side of the lower part of the leg of the letter, and drawn furtherdown. Letters modified by the DESCENDER (e.g. 04A2, 04A3, 04B2, 04B3) are
modified this way, as are the standard Cyrillic letters TSE and SHCHAThis is not an issue of naming only. The Cyrillic letters TSE and SHCHA are frequentin Kildin Si text, and their modification (DESCENDER) is clearly distinct from theTAIL.
This issue has been confused in earlier work, due to the fact that some of thesources have been written by bad equipment: either via ad-hoc devises of writing
letters and commas over each other on manual typewriters (as when "" is producedby the means of "O" and "/"), or via Western publishers (erroneously) using whatevercomputer fonts available. The goal of this work is to move away from that state ofaffairs, and not to perpetuate it.
If these comments are noticed, Norway will change its vote to "YES".

Attachment 3 - UK

UK COMMENTS ACCOMPANYING VOTE OF APPROVAL ON ISO/IEC 10646-1:
1993/FPDAM 30 (SC 2 N 3309)
Technical Comment
D.4 Interlinear annotation characters.
It is recommended that the following sentence is added to paragraph 1 of the description:"The following characters do not nest."
as already exists in D.2.3 and D.2.4.

Attachment 4 - USA
The U.S. vote is to DISAPPROVE. The vote will change to "approve", if the Samicharacters in 0FC5, 0FC6, 0FC9, 0FCA, 0FCD, and 0FCE are removed.