Minutes of the 35th MEETING of the ICNDT
Sunday, 15 April 2012
Durban, South Africa
Attendance list
Name
Representing (Country)
Cesar Belinco
ARGENTINADavid Barnett
AUSTRALIAJohn Maccarone
AUSTRALIA
Shayne Flynn
AUSTRALIA
Gerhard Aufricht
AUSTRIA
Günter Balas
AUSTRIA
Joao Antonio ConteBRAZIL
Edson Eufrasio
BRAZIL
Moussa Bakoura
CAMEROON
Douglas Marshall
CANADA
Sharon BondCANADA
Gongtian Shen
CHINA
Vjera Krstelj
CROATIA
Pavel Mazal
CZECH REPUBLIC
Omar Serrano
ECUADORP Fallouey
FRANCEE Martin
FRANCE
Mathias Purschke
GERMANY
Renate Alijah
GERMANY
Peter Trampus
HUNGARYP Kalyanasundaram INDIA
G Ramachandran
INDIA
B Venkatraman
INDIA
Sigit Budi Santoso
INDONESIA
Yossi Shoef
ISRAEL
Gabriel Shoef
ISRAEL
Giuseppe Nardoni
ITALY
H KatoJAPAN
N OokaJAPAN
S OokaJAPAN
Y YokonoJAPAN
Younho Cho
KOREA
Manyong Choi
KOREA
Pedro Vilaca
PORTUGAL
Sergey Klyuev
RUSSIA
Ekaterina Cheprasova RUSSIA
Alexander Mullin
RUSSIA

Voting (YES/NO)
YES
NO + Gen Sec
YESNO
YES + Treasurer
NO
YES
NO
NO
NO
YES
YES
YES
YES
NO
YES
NO
YES
NO
YES
YES
NO
NO
YES
YES
NO
YES
NO
YES
NO
NO
YES
NO
YES
YES
NO
NO

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1Sajeesh Kumar Babu
Janez Grum
Manfred Johannes
Jim GuildFermin Gomez Fraile
Rodolfo Rodriguez
Werner Schmid
C Hakan GürMike Farley
John Thompson
David Gilbert
Sylvia Infanzon
Wayne Holliday
R Potter
Apologies
Rong Geng
Baldev RajPeter Hayward
Matea
Asa Prateepasen
Elena Azizova

SINGAPORESLOVENIA
SOUTH AFRICA
SOUTH AFRICA
SPAIN
SPAIN
SWITZERLAND
TURKEYUNITED KINGDOMUNITED KINGDOMUNITED KINGDOMURUGUAY
USA
USA

YES
YES
YES
NO
YES
NO
YES
YES
ChairmanNO
YES + Minute Secretary
YES
YES
NO

CHINA
INDIA
NEW ZEALAND
PHILIPPINESTHAILANDUZBEKISTAN

1-4. Welcome, Memorium, Roll Call, Voting Procedures and Quorum
The Chairman, Dr Mike Farley, welcomed all to this 35th General Assembly of
ICNDT and initiated a roll call. There were no names notified for in memoriam.
One voting delegate is permitted per member society. 33% of membership
was required for quorum and only 1 proxy was permitted per member country
present. A simple majority is required.
(Note: changes to Constitution/Terms of Reference require 6 months noticeand positive vote of two-thirds of those present).
There were 28 voting members present and one proxy – Serbia to Croatia.
Thus, approximately 50% of the total membership were present and a quorum
was achieved.
5.

Approval of Minutes of the 34th General Assembly (Moscow, 2010-06-10)
The minutes of the 34th General Assembly were approved unanimously.
Dr Farley stated that he had reviewed the actions arising and all had been
completed.

6.

Operating Procedures
OP 21: ICNDT Monographs was approved unanimously.
The other Operating Procedures requiring approval would be covered in therelevant Agenda item – WG1: Qualification and Certification (item 10.4).

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Nominations of Officers and Secretariat for 2012-2016
Dr Farley presented the background and stated that the nominations had been
approved by the IEC and the PGPC. He invited new nominations and advisedthat voting, if required, would take place at the 35th General Assembly meetingscheduled for Thursday, 19 April 2012.
He then summarised the nominations for Executive and PGP, as follows:
Position
ICNDT
Chairman
ICNDT General
Secretary
World
Conference
President
NDT Society toprovideSecretariat
Treasurer

Two elected
membersName(country)
Dr Mike Farley(UK)S K Babu(Singapore)

Proposed byAustria, Canada, Spain, Brazil
Japan, Austria, Germany

David Barnett(Australia)

Spain, Croatia

Dr Matthias Purschke(Germany)

Germany

British Institute of NDT(UK)Austria, Germany

Ing Gerhard Aufricht(Austria)
S K Babu(Singapore)

Austria, Spain, Croatia
Japan, Austria, Germany(if not elected for Gen Sec)

Sharon Bond
(Canada)CanadaYounho Cho(Korea)Korea

Dr Farley then went over the nominations for the other positions, as follows:
Position
Chairman
WG1
Chairman
WG3
Chairman ofMembership
Working Group
Chairman of
Certification
Executive
Committee(CEC)
Secretariat CEC

Name(country)
Alexander Mullin(Russia)
Manfred Johannes(South Africa)

Proposed by
Executive Committee
Executive CommitteeJoão Conte(Brazil)

Executive Committee

Patrick Fallouey(France)

Executive Committee(if CEC OP approved)

John Thompson(UK)

Executive Committee(if CEC OP approved)

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3Dr Farley then went through the nominations for the Representation of theRegional Groups, as follows:
RegionalGroup
AfricaAsia Pacific
EuropePan America

Name(country)

Proposed by

Jim Guild
Moussa Bakoura
B Venkataraman
N OokaV Krstelj
E RomeroW Holliday
C Belinco

AFNDT
APCNDT
EFNDT
PANDT

8.

Announcement of ICNDT Awards and Honorary Membership

8.1

ICNDT Awards
Dr Farley introduced and stated that nominations and voting was as per
Operating Procedure OP4. Nominations had been requested from the full
ICNDT membership. A ballot had taken place involving PGP Committee
members and the winners were as below. Certificates would be presented at
the Opening Ceremony.
ICNDT Awards for WCNDT 2012
Roentgen Award: for major contribution to the science and technology of NDTWinner(s)Professor Peter Cawley andProfessor Michael Lowe
Professor Teruo Kishi

Runner(s) up
Dr Alexander A Bukley

Pawlowski Award: for major contribution to the promotion of NDT internationally
Winner(s)Mr Douglas J Marshall

Runner(s) up
Professor Dr-Ing Heinrich Heidt
Professor Vladimir P Vavilov

Havercroft Award: for major contribution to NDT education, training or
certification
Winner(s)Mr Patrick Fallouey and
Dr Hajime Hatano

Runner(s) up
Mr Joe Heigold
Mr John Maccarone
Dr Natalia Muravskaya
Dr Abd Nassir bin Ibrahim
Dr Norikazu Ooka
Professor Peter Trampus

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Sokolov Award: for major contribution to NDT research
Winner(s)Professor Chris Scruby

Runner(s) up
Dr Norbert Babcsán
Professor Victor G Shcherbinskii

ICNDT Young Achiever Award: for achievement of young people in NDT (<35years)
Winner(s)Dr Alexey G Efimov
Mr Christopher Lane

Runner(s) up

8.2 Honorary Members
Dr Farley explained the criteria and procedure for nominating Honorary
Members.
He had decided to recommend Honorary Membership of ICNDT be awarded to
the following at WCNDT 2012:
Dr Rong Sheng Geng
Mr John Thompson
Dr Nori Ooka
Mr Manfred Johannes
These were all approved and congratulated.
Dr Farley advised that this meant that there were now 29 Honorary Members.
A Role of Honour was being drawn up and would be added to the website.
9.

Membership

9.1

Presentation of new Member Certificates
New member certificates were presented to representatives from Indonesia
and Portugal.

9.2

Report on current applications
Mr Conte presented his report on the current status of membership
applications:
Iran
ICNDT had been informed that an Iranian delegation would be attending the
WCNDT and they would advise on developments following the membership
applications from two organisations and subsequent correspondence. At theleast they would be allowed to attend the General Assemblies as observer.
IsraelISRANDT was the official member. Another organisation had been offered tojoin as an Associate Member.

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5MexicoMr Conte reported that an application had been received from another Mexicanorganisation, AMICENDE. However the NDT society, IMENDE, was alreadythe full member, so AMICENE would be offered to join and attend as an
Associate Member.
9.3

Liaison Members
Dr Farley mentioned that the only official Liaison member ICNDT has atpresent is ISO (TC135). Although he was not yet in a position to request
approval, discussions were taking place with other organisations in this regard,
for example IAEA and Academia NDT International.

10.

Report on ICNDT actions in accordance with the Strategic Plan

10.1 Strategic Plan 2008-2012
Dr Farley presented slides detailing how the Plan had been developed sincethe 2008 WCNDT in Shanghai. A new section on Radiation Protection had
been added recently. Dr Farley worked through the presentation and several
comments were made:Promotion of NDT: the new IAEA Director for Industrial Applications, Ms Vera
Venkatesh was due to attend WCNDT and Dr Farley would speak to her on
relevant matters and the possibility of appointing a new technical officer for
NDT.
Support to societies: Mr Nardoni encouraged societies to use the ICNDTJournal and to submit articles regularly. He also referred to the BINDT
educational initiatives being developed in conjunction with the University ofNorthampton and suggested more articles in the Journal on these importantdevelopments.
Dr Farley suggested a new section on the ICNDT website for higher
educational bodies to advertise their programmes.
Radiation Protection: Dr Purschke reported that the session to be held at
WCNDT would present some interesting results of a questionnaire that had
been circulated. Once again there as a suggestion to have more articles on thissubject in the ICNDT Journal.
Certification and Qualification: Mr Nardoni commented about some changes
possibly afoot concerning ASME calling for third-party certification in some
Codes. The situation should be monitored closely.
Action Ref.
No. GA/201204-15/..

Desc.

WHO

1

Review GA comments
w.r.t. Strategic Plan andupdate if considerednecessary

IEC

STATUS/ COMPLETE BY
ASAP

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610.4. WG1 Qualifications and Certification: MRA/PCBA approval process
Dr Farley went over the background and present situation. The PGP
Committee had the day before voted to proceed with requesting general
Assembly approval of the Operating Procedures, Nos 18, 19 and 20 and if
approved the scheme would be implemented by the Certification Executive
Committee (CEC) and the ICNDT Executive Committee (IEC).
Dr Farley explained that the documents had been approved by PGP but there
was one vote against – ASNT, who had written a letter to the IEC in July 2011detailing its concerns. The IEC had responded to this letter and ASNT had
written again advising that it was not satisfied with the response. At the WG1meeting on 14 April (the day before this meeting), WG1 had considered further
the ASNT comments. These were then elaborated upon in more detail.
Mr Holliday clarified that the IEC message was sent to ASNT in July 2011, andit was in response to questions and concerns that ASNT had submitted to the
Chairs of ICNDT, the PGP and WG1 in December 2010. After reviewing the
IEC July 2011 message, ASNT submitted a letter that further detailed its
concerns in November 2011. He then summarised the main reasons behind
ASNT’s decision to vote against the implementation of the scheme in the WG1meeting. ASNT does not believe that the requirements for certification
throughout the world are uniform. This variability is often due to differences in
the legal environment, regulatory requirements and commercial practices. Thisvariability may be evident from country to country or by industry segment.
ASNT believes that it is necessary to understand the actual requirements in agiven country or industry segment, along with a full understanding of thespecific scheme, before promoting its acceptance in that area. The proposed
MRA does not, however, appear to accomplish this. ASNT is also concernedthat approval of schemes by an ICNDT committee may create a legal liability to
ICNDT members, perhaps even those who do not sign the MRA. Additionally,
ASNT believes it is inadvisable to launch a programme without having thecertainty that it could be maintained; a business plan should be produced firstso that it is ensured that the programme is sustainable going forward.
Some discussion followed. Dr Farley stated that the question of liability had
been considered. Insurance cover would protect ICNDT officers and secretariat
and ICNDT would make it clear as to where the liabilities lie. Each individual
society would be responsible for its own cover.
With regard to employers’ responsibilities, the ICNDT Guide contained asection (no. 3) covering this issue.
When all had been given the opportunity to comment, Dr Farley explained theprocedure for voting. He proposed a motion to approve Operating ProceduresNos. 18: ICNDT Certification Executive Committee, 19: ICNDT Multilateral
Recognition Agreement (MRA) System Documents, and 20: ICNDT Personnel
Certification Body approval (PCBA) System Documents.
The vote, by show of hands, yielded the following result:
FOR: 20AGAINST: 1 (ASNT)ABSTENTIONS: 2

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On the motion to proceed with the implementation of the scheme, the vote, byshow of hands, yielded the following result:
FOR: 23
AGAINST: 1 (ASNT)ABSTENTIONS: 0
Dr Farley stated that the comments from ASNT would be taken into account inall ensuing work and that the next issue of the ICNDT Guide would include a
section on the MRA clarifying all the important points, for example theresponsibilities of the employer and the extent of the MRA. He also suggesteda cross-reference be included on certificates that are issued, showing details
for comparison and clarification.
Mr Nardoni suggested that the ICNDT Guide should include the minimum
requirements for the new harmonised standard EN ISO 9712 and this should
be updated for each World Conference.
Dr Farley stated that the minimum requirements would be determined inaccordance with the Body of Knowledge defined for the scheme, however it did
not make sense for ICNDT to have a separate BoK. Hence ICNDT would carryout a gap analysis between ISO TR25107 and the ASNT’s CP105. Mr Falloueystated that revision of the ISO document was to be discussed at the ISO
plenary meeting the following Friday. Dr Farley suggested that WG1 may wish
to consider a document detailing how different schemes actually implement thestandard, enabling a comparison.
Dr Farley then introduced the IEC’s nominations for the members of theCertification Executive Committee – below – and requested approval by theGeneral Assembly. The motion was carried.
Position

Name

Regional Representative

ChairmanPatrick Fallouey

Secretary

John Thompson

Treasurer,
ICNDT

Gerhard Aufricht

Chairman, WG1

Alexander Mullin

Members

S K Babu

Asia Pacific

Jim Guild

AfricaMatthias Purschke

EuropeJoão Rufino Teles

Pan America

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11.

Regional Group Reports
11.1 Africa
Mr Guild presented his report.
11.2 Asia Pacific
Mr Venkataraman presented his report.
11.3 Europe
Professor Krstelj presented her report.
11.4 Pan-America
Latin America
Mr Belinco presented his report.
USA
Mr Holliday presented his report.
NOTE: available reports may be downloaded from www.icndt.org(‘Documents/Minutes of ICNDT General Assemblies/18thWCNDT reports’)

12.

Report on 18th World Conference
Mr Johannes presented his report. The total number of registered delegates
was 1096, plus 568 accompanying persons and ISO delegates, giving a total of
1664 from 69 different countries. There were 120 exhibiting companies.
Mr Johannes said what a great honour it was to organise the conference andthanked the Canadian Institute for the information they had passed on fromtheir experience in organising the world conference, which had helped a greatdeal. He suggested that this information combined with that which the South
Africans had learnt from their experience would provide a useful databank for
future organisers.

13.

Report on 19th World Conference
Dr Purschke presented details of the next World Conference, to take place 1317 June 2016 in Munich, Germany. Further details at www.wcndt2016.com,
including a movie which was shown at the meeting.

14.

20th World Conference
A draw took place to decide the order of presentations from the candidates forthe 2020 World Conference. The order would be: Mexico, Brazil, Korea.
The candidates then presented their bids. Mr Marshall presented for Mexico on
behalf of Mr Cueto, who had been delayed. Mr Eufrasia presented for theBrazilian Society and Mr Younho Cho for Korea.
Dr Farley confirmed that the vote would take place at the next General
Assembly to take place the following Thursday. He said it would be a difficult
choice but that there would be no losers, as each candidate demonstrated an
enthusiastic commitment to NDT. He noted that each candidate needed tocommit a donation to ICNDT. He suggested that prospective hosts should
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the conference could benefit their region.
15.

18th WCNDT Opening Ceremony arrangements
Dr Farley and Mr Johannes detailed the arrangements for the opening
ceremony.
Dr Farley then closed the meeting.

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