DOCKETED  
Docket Number:  22-AAER -02 
Project Title:  Repeal of Portable Luminaires  
TN #:  249049  
Document Title:  Transcript of January 18, 2023 for Public Hearing for Repeal of 
Portable Luminaires  
Description:  Transcript for the Public Hearing held on January 18, 2023, 
regarding the Repeal of Portable Luminaires Rulemaking.  
Filer:  Carlos Baez  
Organization:  California Energy Commission  
Submitter Role:  Commission Staff   
Submission Date:  3/6/2023 2:05:30 PM  
Docketed Date:  3/6/2023  
    
 
 
 
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CALIFORNIA ENERGY COMMISSION 
 
 
 
 
In the matter of:  
Notice of Proposed Action  ) Docket No. 22-AAER-02 
Energy    ) 
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2022 APPLIANCE EFFICIENCY RULEMAKING FOR REPEAL OF 
 
PORTABLE LUMINAIRES REGULATIONS 
  
 
 
 
TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS 
 
 
 
 
 
REMOTE VIA ZOOM 
 
 
  
 
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 18, 2023 
 
10:00 A.M. 
  
 
 
Reported by: 
 
Martha Nelson    
 
 
 
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APPEARANCES 
 
 
CEC STAFF 
 
Carlos Baez, Efficiency Division 
 
 
PUBLIC COMMENT 
 Michael Weems, American Lighting Association 
 
 
 
 
    
 
 
 
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P R O C E D I N G S 1 
 10:02 a.m. 2 
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 18, 2023 3 
  MR. BAEZ:  Hi.  Good morning.  I'm Carlos Baez 4 
and I work in the Appliances Branch at the California 5 
Energy Commission.  Welcome to the Public Hearing for the 6 
Portable Luminaire Repeal Rulemaking.   7 
  The purpose of this public hearing is to receive 8 
verbal comments on the proposed regulatory language.  All 9 
documents related to this rulemaking can be found on the 10 
Energy Commission's website in Docket Number 22-AAER-02.  11 
No decisions will be made today at this public hearing.   12 
  This public hearing is being recorded by a court 13 
reporter and on Zoom, and all the statements made today 14 
will become part of the public record.   15 
  All comments that are received today, and 16 
previous comments that were received during the written 17 
comment, period will be reviewed by the CEC.  Responses to 18 
all comments will be made available to the public in the 19 
final rulemaking package.   20 
  Here's some of the general rules for this public 21 
hearing.   22 
  All lines are muted.  Comments will be taken at 23 
the end of the presentation.   24 
  For general clarifying questions, please type 25    
 
 
 
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your question in the Q&A section rather than making a 1 
verbal comment.  To comment verbally, please use the raise 2 
hand function to speak.  To those online, raise your hand 3 
and the host will give you the ability to speak.  Please 4 
remember to unmute yourself.  For those joining on phone, 5 
you can raise your hand by pushing star 9 and the host will 6 
give you the ability to speak.  Remember that pressing star 7 
6 unmutes and mutes yourself.  Please make sure to state 8 
your name and affiliation at the beginning of your comment.  9 
  Here's a short agenda for today's public hearing.  10 
We'll start by providing a brief overview of the Portable 11 
Luminaire Repeal rulemaking, including the main components 12 
of the proposed changes.  Next, we'll discuss the 13 
rulemaking timeline and what comes after this public 14 
hearing.  And lastly, we'll open it for public comments.   15 
  The goal of this rulemaking is to remove portable 16 
luminaires as a regulated appliance type from the Title 20 17 
Appliance Efficiency Regulations.  If adopted, portable 18 
luminaires would no longer need to comply with any Title 20 19 
requirements before being sold or offered for sale in 20 
California.   21 
  The justification for this repeal is the fact 22 
that the requirements are now redundant due to more recent 23 
lighting regulations under Title 20.  Today, almost all 24 
portable luminaires are already energy-efficient, which has 25    
 
 
 
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eliminated the need for these performance standards.  In 1 
this rulemaking, there are no changes to any other 2 
appliance types in Title 20.   3 
  The proposed changes are the removal of all 4 
definitions, testing requirements, performance standards, 5 
including the bulb-in-box requirement that requires that 6 
certain luminaires be packaged with a bulb, removal of all 7 
the marking requirements, and data submittal requirements 8 
related to portable luminaires.  Again, besides portable 9 
luminaires, no other appliance type in Title 20 will be 10 
affected by these changes.   11 
  We'll now briefly discuss what this means for 12 
certification.   13 
  If this rulemaking were to be adopted, portable 14 
luminaires would no longer need to appear in MAEDbS, which 15 
is the Modernized Appliance Efficiency Database System.  16 
This database is used to verify compliance with Title 20.  17 
Future submissions of portable luminaires would not be 18 
possible.  All currently certified portable luminaire 19 
models in MAEDbS would be moved to the archived -- would be 20 
moved to the archive database for historical purposes.   21 
  The individual light bulbs, also called lamps, 22 
used with portable luminaires, will continue to be 23 
regulated under Title 20.  These requirements will not be 24 
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California, the regulated lamps need to meet the relevant 1 
requirements in Title 20.  The three appliance types 2 
applicable to lamps are state-regulated LED lamps, state-3 
regulated small diameter directional lamps, and general 4 
service lamps.   5 
  Here's a brief overview of the rulemaking 6 
timeline.  Since this rulemaking does not propose any new 7 
performance standards or testing requirements, the timeline 8 
is a little shorter than traditional appliance rulemakings.  9 
  The rulemaking officially began with the 10 
publishing of the Notice of Proposed Action, Initial 11 
Statement of Reasons, and Proposed Regulations, also called 12 
express terms.  The publishing of these documents initiated 13 
the 45-day written public comment period.  This comment 14 
period ended yesterday on January 17th.   15 
  Next is the public hearing, which is this event 16 
today.  This is another opportunity for CEC staff to 17 
receive comments on this rulemaking.   18 
  Following this public hearing, this rulemaking 19 
will be presented at an Energy Commission business meeting 20 
for adoption.  It's anticipated that this item will be 21 
presented at the February 28th business meeting.  We will 22 
be sending out a notice on the docket to confirm the date.   23 
  If adopted, the rulemaking package will be sent 24 
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approved by OAL, we anticipate the rulemaking will take 1 
effect on July 1st, and the proposed changes will be 2 
incorporated into Title 20.   3 
  The 45-day comment period, public hearing, and 4 
business meeting are all opportunities for the public to 5 
comment.  For more information or questions, please feel 6 
free to contact me or Corrine Fishman, who is our 7 
Regulations Manager.  8 
  Thank you for your time today.  We hope this 9 
presentation was helpful.   10 
  Please note that this slide deck is already in 11 
the docket if you'd like to view it again.  Also, a 12 
transcript of today's hearing will be posted to the docket 13 
later.   14 
  That concludes the presentation.   15 
  We'll now open for formal comments.  As stated 16 
earlier, to comment verbally, please use the raise-hand 17 
function to speak.  For those online, raise your hand, and 18 
the host will give you the ability to speak.  Please 19 
remember to unmute yourself.  For those joining on phone, 20 
you can raise your hand by pushing star 9 and the host will 21 
give you the ability to speak.  Remember that pressing star 22 
6 un-mutes and mutes yourself.  Please make sure to state 23 
your name and affiliation at the beginning of your comment.  24 
  For general clarifying questions, please type 25    
 
 
 
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your question in the Q&A section rather than making a 1 
verbal comment.   2 
  And lastly, for anyone who would like to comment 3 
but does not have access to a microphone, please type out 4 
your comment and state that you are unable to speak.  We 5 
will read your name and affiliation at the beginning of 6 
your comment.  We will read your comment out loud for you.  7 
  Thank you.  We will now remain online for any 8 
comments.  Don't see any hand raises or comments.  Oh, 9 
there we go, one from Michael Weems.  I believe I just gave 10 
you the ability to unmute yourself.  So, yeah, whenever 11 
ready, please make your comment.   12 
  MR. WEEMS:  Hi, Carlos.  Can you hear me?   13 
  MR. BAEZ:  Yes, we can hear you.  Thanks.   14 
  MR. WEEMS:  Hi.  Michael Weems with the American 15 
Lighting Association.  Carlos, thank you for the time and 16 
for the presentation today.   17 
  ALA supports the proposal discussed today and 18 
appreciates CEC's consideration to end the bulb-in-the-box 19 
requirements for portable luminaires.  Years ago, ALA 20 
worked with the California Energy Commission to develop the 21 
bulb-in-the-box concept.  The goal then was to eliminate 22 
certain products from the California marketplace.  In the 23 
time since, you know, at ALA, we feel that bulb-in-the-box 24 
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passed the bulb-in-the-box regulation and that it no longer 1 
makes sense.   2 
  So, again, we appreciate this.  We think that 3 
this is a trend we're seeing, you know, here at the 4 
California Energy Commission.  We're seeing it a ENERGY 5 
STAR.  And we think we're going to see it, maybe with 6 
ceiling fan light kits, with Congress and the Department of 7 
Energy at the federal level.   8 
  So, again, thank you.   We support this and we 9 
look forward to working with the commission as it hopefully 10 
finalizes this change.   11 
  Thank you.   12 
  MR. BAEZ:  Thank you, Michael.   13 
  If anyone else has any comments, please feel free 14 
to raise your hand or type it into the comment box if 15 
you're unable to speak.  We're not seeing anyone else at 16 
this time, but we will stay online for a few more minutes 17 
in case any other comments come up.   18 
 (Pause) 19 
  MR. BAEZ:  Still no new raised hands or comments 20 
that have come in but, yeah, we'll stay online for just a 21 
few more seconds.   22 
 (Pause) 23 
  MR. BAEZ:  Okay, still no more comments or raised 24 
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  I do see one attendee that joined.  Again, if you 1 
have a comment, please raise your hand or type it into the 2 
Q&A or comment box.   3 
  (Pause) 4 
  MR. BAEZ:   5 
  Okay, still no more comments.  We'll go ahead and 6 
officially close the public hearing then.   7 
  Thank you all for joining and have a good rest of 8 
your day.  Bye. 9 
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 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 
 
I do hereby certify that the testimony in 
the foregoing hearing was taken at the time and 
place therein stated; that the testimony of said witnesses were reported by me, a certified electronic court reporter and a disinterested 
person, and was under my supervision thereafter 
transcribed into typewriting. 
 And I further certify that I am not of 
counsel or attorney for either or any of the parties to said hearing nor in any way interested in the outcome of the cause named in said caption. 
 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my 
hand this 3rd day of March, 2023. 
               
      MARTHA L. NELSON, CERT**367 
        
  
   
 
 
 
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 CERTIFICATE OF TRANSCRIBER 
 
    I do hereby certify that the testimony     in the foregoing hearing was taken at the     time and place therein stated; that the     testimony of said witnesses were transcribed    by me, a certified transcriber and a      disinterested person, and was under my      supervision thereafter transcribed into     typewriting.                       And I further certify that I am not     of counsel or attorney for either or any of     the parties to said hearing nor in any way     interested in the outcome of the cause named     in said caption.     I certify that the foregoing is a     correct transcript, to the best of my     ability, from the electronic sound recording     of the proceedings in the above-entitled     matter.  
      
  March 3, 2023 
   MARTHA L. NELSON, CERT**367