"I expected better from you, Mr. King": Feminist resistance and reader critique in the r/MenWritingWomen

Marie Flesch, Heather Burnett

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"I expected better from you, Mr. King":
Feminist resistance and reader critique in therifSubmission

Marie Flesch, Heather Burnett

Université de Lorraine, CNRS-Université Paris Cité
marie.flesch@univ-lorraine.fr, heather.burnett@cnrs.fr

Abstract

This study adopts a multi-layered approach to understanding the dynamics of gendered and feminist discourse in the r/MenWritingWomen, a Reddit forum dedicated to highlighting and critiquing how men describe women in literature and media. First, drawing on feminist critical discourse analysis, we focus on a sample of the posts themselves, examining how gender inequality is discursively constructed through stereotypical, objectifying, or reductive representations of women by male authors. Then, our analysis of a subset of comments about Stephen King, the most frequently cited writer in our sample, captures how Redditors react to, critique and defend these representations. Finally, using quantitative corpus linguistics methods, we explore the sociodemographic dimensions of participation, by identifying in the whole corpus users who self-disclose their gender in comments (e.g. "I'm a woman").

**Keywords:** critical discourse analysis, Reddit, feminism, folk literary criticism, Stephen King

**1. Introduction**

Reddit has often been characterized as a site of antifemi-
nist activity, a breeding ground for the “manosphere” and
a platform where misogynistic discourse flourishes (Mas-
sanari, 2017; Farrell et al., 2019; Helm et al., 2024). Yet,
even within this largely masculinist ecosystem, “pockets of
resistance and progressivism” emerge, challenging its dom-
inant discourse (Massanari, 2019). Some of these spaces
are openly feminist and progressive, such as r/feminism,
or r/TwoXChromosomes, which states in its rules that “di-
rect responses [...] should come from feminists and must
reflect a feminist perspective”. Other communities are not
explicitly feminist, but still do the “the work of everyday
feminism”, often relying on humour (Massanari, 2019) (p.
19). One such space is r/MenWritingWomen. Created
in October 2017, therifReddit highlights how male au-
thors depict women in stereotypical, objectifying, or ab-
surd ways. Users post excerpts from books, films, televi-
sion, and other media, and commenters respond with cri-
tique, humour, and reflexive commentary. Thus, without
declaring itself feminist, the rMenWritingWomen aligns itself with a
long tradition of feminist critique (Sundén and Paasonen,
2021): the critical examination of portrayals of women in
writing by men, which emerged in the 1960s and 1970s
(Eagleton, 2007). r/MenWritingWomen constitutes both a
digital “sexism archive” (Ahmed, 2015), i.e. a collection of
problematic representations of women, and a metalinguis-
tic space where critique is collectively developed. Looking
qualitatively at the (now inactive) Twitter account spawned
by the rMenWritingWomen, Sundén and Paasonen (2021) show that,
far from the “feminist killjoy” trope (Ahmed, 2020) (p. 50),
users employ the absurd as a feminist strategy, expressing
feminist emotions of anger, rage, frustration, and bewilder-
ment. Their study also reveals the limitations of the space,
marked by a white, middle-class perspective.

The present paper builds on these insights, proposing a
multi-layered approach to understanding the dynamics of
gendered and feminist discourse in r/MenWritingWomen.
It aims to answer several research questions: what are the

types of sexist representations discussed on the romenium? What discursive strategies do commenters use to react to or critique the excerpts? Does the project of the community receive pushback? And who are the users who participate on the romenium? Our analysis is divided into three interconnected parts. The first explores how women are represented by male authors in a corpus of 440 popular posts, focusing on the recurring sexist tropes used to construct women characters. This analysis draws on feminist critical discourse analysis (CDA) (Lazar, 2007) to reveal gendered stereotypes, from objectification of women and naturalization of women's inferiority to women being defined by their relations with men. The second part examines how users of the romenium respond to these representations in a subset of 13 discussion threads focused on the most frequently featured writer in our sample, horror author Stephen King, by using various discursive strategies (irony, parody, ethical critique, defence of author, etc.). Finally, the third part investigates the sociodemographic profile of the romenium, using quantitative methods to extract information about the gender of Redditors.

**2. Dataset and tools**

The dataset used in this study was obtained by scraping
Reddit with the now defunct Pushshift API. It contains
829,732 comments and 15,251 posts dating from October
2017 to January 2023. It was pre-processed by removing
duplicates, and posts and comments by Redditors who had
deleted their account. Analyses were conducted with R ver-
sion 4.4.1 (RCoreTeam, 2024).

3. Discursive representations of women

**3.1. Sample**

The sample of posts was created by selecting 1) posts that
had the “Quote” tag (or “flair”, on Reddit), indicating that
they contain an excerpt from a book, movie, etc. (as op-
posed to posts that contain commentary or satirical content)
2) posts that had a popularity score superior to 2500 points.
530 posts matched these two criteria. Each was accessed on
the subreddit using the URL provided in the metadata, so
that we could view the images containing the excerpts. 49
posts had been removed or deleted and could not be coded;
41 posts were coded as “irrelevant”, because they contained
commentary, satire, or memes instead of original excerpts
from books and other media. The final dataset contains 440
posts.

3.2. Coding of posts

Coding of posts and comments was conducted by the first author of the paper. For each post, we coded the type of media discussed, the name of the author, when it was specified in the post title or in a comment, and the main discursive representation of women in the excerpt. The coding schemes of discursive representations was developed using an corpus-driven, iterative process informed by principles of feminist discourse analysis (Lazar, 2007), which emphasizes how language reflects and reinforces gendered hierarchies. The coding thus focuses on how language constructs, normalizes and perpetuates gender inequalities, with categories that capture discursive representations of gendered power relations. A first phase of open coding (without predefined categories) allowed us to identify recurring patterns; then, the initial categories were revised to merge redundant categories, and the resulting coding scheme was applied to the full dataset. The final coding scheme contains seven categories (Table 1).

3.3. Results

Representations of women discussed in the sample come
from various sources. Most of the posts in the sample fea-
ture excerpts from literature (n=250), followed by social
media (n=60), press (n=26), nonfiction books (21), movie
and TV (n=16), and comics (n=17). The rest of the excerpts
discussed (n=49) are from video games, recipes, adver-
tisements, book covers, song lyrics, etc. Posts frequently,
but not always, specify the name of the author. Authors
of literary works the most frequently featured are Stephen
King (n=20, or 8.85% of all posts in the literature section),
Haruki Murakami (n=7), Charles Bukowski (n=4) and Ned
Vizzini (n=4). The most frequent discursive representation
of women in excerpts is, by far, objectification, with 293
posts, or 66.59% of all posts in the sample. Since this
category is heterogeneous, we also coded for subframes
(anatomical focus, oversexualization, unrealistic descrip-
tions of women's bodies or sexuality, etc.).

The anatomical focus is the most frequent subframe
(n=198); Redditors frequently underline breasts descrip-
tions (visually, in the image or screen capture, or through
discourse, in the title of their post). The prominence
of breast descriptions in the sample of posts is a reflec-
tion of r/MenWritingWomen's central satirical critique; the
description of the subredit opens with the phrase "She
breasted boobily down the stairs....". Our analysis of posts
shows that this deliberately absurd expression is not just
a joke, but a cutting commentary on a recurring narrative
pattern. Male authors repeatedly reduce female charac-
ters to their breasts, transforming them from complex in-
dividuals into fetishized caricatures. A Redditor, citing
an excerpt from James Patterson (first row in Table 1) ti-

tles their post : "I know you're reading a murder mystery
but first, boobs". Breasts are assigned personalities ("Her
friendly nipples jiggled", Philip E Dick), emotions ("Her
breasts, of which she was normally proud, had withdrawn
into themselves, as if depressed", Jeffrey Eugenides; "Her
big breasts, which had never suckled a child of her own,
felt a merciless compassion", Graham Greene) and actions
("her bosom changed from a promise to a threat", Ross
MacDonald). Even in death, women are defined by their
breasts, like in this description of a corpse by an unspecified
author ("They [her breasts] had perhaps lost some of their
tone post-mortem, they sagged to this side and that"), or
in this description of a character who has lost two friends:
"She mourned their lovely breasts - breasts that have van-
ished without a trace" (Haruki Murakami). Even more dis-
turbing to the Reddditors is the focus on childlike imagery
("her breasts small and childlike", James Herbert), and on
the breasts of children ("She was a teenager who had a full
set of breasts for milking", Garth Stein).

4. Discursive strategies used by Redditors to discuss Stephen King's writing of women

4.1. Sample

This section moves from the discursive representations of
women by men to the discursive strategies used by Red-
ditors to comment on the extracts posted on the subredit.
We decided to focus on Stephen King, the most frequently
cited author in our sample of posts, and created a random
sample of 13 discussion threads dating from August 2019
to May 2022 (13 posts, 1168 comments). The titles, dates
and links to the threads are in the table in Appendix A.

4.2. Coding of comments

The coding scheme for comments is theoretically aligned
with the coding of posts. It highlights how Redditors rec-
ognize, critique, and resist the sexist representations in
posts, while also accounting for disagreement and push-
back. Multi-labelling was allowed, as many comments use
several strategies. The coding schema consists of six um-
brella categories:

* **Critical interpretation:** ethical critique (frames text as ethically harmful), aesthetic critique (separates style from content), author critique (references to the author's legacy or public image).

* **Discursive resistance:** irony/sarcasm/mock praise/humour, parody/satire, meta-commentary referring to common critiques of problematic content, textual intervention where Redditors propose edits of problematic content.

* **Identity and positioning:** subjectivization by gen-
dered - or other- self-positioning, emotional responses,
expression of feminist alignment.

* **Discursive negotiation/pushback:** defence of text/author, contextualization, criticism or hostility towards community.

* **Intertextuality:** community references (in-jokes, references to the norms of the subredit), references to other texts, authors or famous people.
<table><caption>Table 1: Description of the coding scheme for posts.</caption><thead><tr><td>Discursive representation</td><td>Description</td><td>Example</td><td>Frequency</td></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td>Objectification</td><td>Women are reduced to body parts, for consumption by men.</td><td>“Kimberly was longed-legged as well, with firm, sculpted breasts and a glowing tan. Her nipples were already erect.” (James Patterson, <i>The Midnight Club</i>)</td><td>293</td></tr><tr><td>Relational reduction</td><td>Women’s value is defined in relation to men; includes women’s rivalry and lesbophobia.</td><td>“The only negative was the nasty rumour. Surely she couldn’t go for women. She was too perfect [...]. She was destined to be a trophy wife!” (John Grisham, <i>The King of Torts</i>)</td><td>48</td></tr><tr><td>Naturalized inferiority</td><td>Women’s inferiority is framed as being natural or biological, justifying inequalities.</td><td>“Comparing man and woman in general one may say: woman would not have the genius for finery if she did not have the instinct from the secondary role.” (Friedrich Nietzsche, <i>Beyond Good and Evil</i>)</td><td>27</td></tr><tr><td>Pathologized femininity</td><td>Women’s emotions and behaviors are framed as irrational or excessive.</td><td>“They [space pods] were usually christened with feminine names, perhaps in recognition of the fact that their personalities were sometimes slightly unpredictable.” (Arthur C. Clarke, <i>2001: A Space Odyssey</i>)</td><td>27</td></tr><tr><td>Sexual danger/control</td><td>Women’s sexuality is framed as dangerous; includes coercive or manipulative sex tropes.</td><td>“All women love semi-rape. They love to be taken.” (Ian Fleming, <i>The Spy Who Loved Me</i>)</td><td>22</td></tr><tr><td>Devalued/deviant body</td><td>Women’s bodies are devalued because of their age, disability, or racialization.</td><td>“Madame Danglars, whose beauty was quite remarkable in spite of her thirty-six years” (Alexandre Dumas, <i>The Count of Monte-Cristo</i>).</td><td>11</td></tr><tr><td>Other/ambiguous</td><td>Satire, memes, commentary, etc.</td><td>—</td><td>12</td></tr></tbody></table>

• Not relevant: non evaluative, ambiguous.

## 4.3. Results

The critical interpretation category is the most represented in comments (n=510; see also Figure 1), which shows the reddit’s investment in highlighting the implications of problematic writing. Some comments target technical aspects of the writing (e.g. “What on earth is happening with that godawful comma splice”; “Did he have to mention that she was sitting up twice?”). Critique focuses however mostly on thematic content, particularly the objectification of women and girls, in the excerpts discussed (“Yeah I always thought this was fucking creepy and honestly peopophilic as hell”) or in Stephen King’s writing in general (“It’s crazy that this man is one of the best selling authors of all time. So many people are influenced by the casual misogyny in his stories.”). Redditors use a variety of affective registers, including anger/exhaustion/disgust (n=275; “Ew ew ew!”, “Gross”, “Da fuq did I just read?”), and sarcasm and humour (n=257) (“That’s art!”, “Stephen King and unnecessarily talking about tits, name a more iconic duo.”). The frequent recourse to humour can be seen as a rhetorical strategy but also as a community-building tactic. In particular, reversal seems to be a key strategy, used to underline the misogyny of King’s descriptions. Redditors imagine alternative scenarios where men and boys are depicted the way women and girls are, either through commentary (“He loves to describe every woman’s breast situation, but never bothers to mention how the boys are hanging on the men.”) or parody (“A boy once afraid of lightning

<figure><img src="image_2.png" /><figcaption>Figure 1: Treemap chart showing the proportion of discursive strategies (including sub-categories) in the Steven King’s sample.</figcaption></figure>

now stands before me at the age of 12, with ripe, pendulous balls swinging to and fro within the confinement of his basketball shorts.”). These exaggerated parodies reflect a broader feminist tradition of using satire to denaturalize sexist tropes (Fahs, 2019; Sundén and Paasonen, 2021).

Other comments use comparison to controversial authors and political figures as a strategy, positioning King’s writing within a broader tradition of patriarchal and literary power. The most frequent comparison is to Donald Trump (n=18), whose candidacy at the 2016 election the writer opposed (“Is the narrator Donald Trump?”, “Donald Trump wrote another book?”). Vladimir Nabokov is
also mentioned four times (“sounds like lolita”, “Written
by Vladimir Nabokov...”).

Not all comments are negative: 201 comments show ap-
preciation for the writer or defend his writing. A num-
ber (n=73) recognize the validity of criticism, revealing an
ambivalent stance (“stephen king: Great horror, not great
character descriptions.”; “It’s good writing with gross con-
tent.”); they reflect what popular culture researchers have
called “critical fandom”, i.e. the political and critical en-
gagement of fans (Andersen and Jensen, 2020; Svegaard,
2015).

Three main arguments emerge both in comments that crit-
icize the writer and in comments that defend him (coded
as “discursive negotiation/pushback”, n=320). The first is
biographical: 40 comments refer to the drug and alcohol
addiction the writer struggled with, stating in his memoir
that he barely remembers writing his novel *Cujo* (King,
2000). Some Redditors use this to explain or excuse the
misogyny (“He was so drugged up at that point, the struc-
ture of his brain probably looked a lot more like jelly than
an actual brain.”), while others reject this rationale (“Okay
about the whole ‘Cocaine’ thing. Drugs are amplifiers or
dampeners NOT excuses. That shit came from him. The
author. King.”). The second argument used by Redditors
to defend King is the contextualization of women and girls’
descriptions, mostly by pointing out that the point of view
is not that of the writer (“Another case of this being from
the POV of a male character”, “This one is from the per-
spective of a little boy.”). The validity of the argument is
vigorously rejected by some (“‘Stephen king is writing
from the perspective of gross men and that’s why it sounds
so gross!’ Yeah and maybe he should write fewer gross
men??? Just saying??”, “It’S bEcAuSe ThE pOv ChArAc-
TeR iS a WeIrDo!.”). Finally, some comments explain the
“bad” writing of women’s characters by the fact that King
wrote many (65) novels (“This is what happens when you
write books way too fast”).

Many comments show that Redditors are aware that King
is a “staple” of the subreddit (“As much as I love his out-
landish stories, we should have our own tag for Stephen
King.”), one Redditor even addressing the writer with the
“u/” prefix used in Reddit usernames, as if he were a mem-
ber of r/MenWritingWomen (“u/stephenkinghere what hap-
pened here?”). In total, 27 comments address the author di-
rectly (“Seriously, King?”, “What the fuck Stephen King.
Why can’t you be normal?” “Really Stephen, we don’t
need this much detail. This is why I quit your books.”).
Finally, while most comments in the “discursive negoti-
ation/pushback” are aimed at King, a number (n=44) are
hostile or critical of the subreddit itself (“You people need
a new hobby”, “Wow this sub is getting whiny. Should they
just not include women at all now?”). These comments
show that that feminist critique can be contested in the sub-
reddit, revealing its ambivalent relationship to feminism.

5. Who's critiquing?

In order to explore the sociodemographic make-up of the
forum, we queried the corpus using the key expression I
am *a(n)* / I'm *a(n)* using the Quanteda R package (Benoit
et al., 2018). The 12,740 concordance lines obtained, pro-

duced by 8936 unique Redditors, were manually inspected
and coded as being written by women, men, and non-binary
individuals, with statements such as “I’m a guy who used
to be shy” and “I’m a hetero woman”. The non-binary cat-
egory is an umbrella category that includes several gender
identities (non-binary, genderfluid, agender, etc.). During
this process, we uncovered a lot of satirical, ironic and fic-
tional statements, that we were careful not to code as in-
dicative of a gender identity. We inferred gender identi-
ties for 3021 Redditors, or 1.74% of all 173,898 Reddi-
tors in the corpus; these Redditors wrote 99,644 comments,
or 11.79% of all comments in the corpus. In this sub-
set of Redditors, there are 1642 men (or 54.35% of Red-
ditors that disclosed their gender identities), 1362 women
(45.08%) and 17 non-binary individuals (0.56%). The me-
dian number of comments per person is higher for women
(38.51, IQR = 95.06) than for men (28.35, IQR=78.01).
This difference is significant according to the Wilcoxon-
Mann-Whitney (one-tailed test, W=1302912, p<0.001).
Among prolific Redditors (who wrote more than 50 com-
ments), women are slightly over-represented (417 women,
352 men, 5 non-binary individuals). The length of com-
ments is not correlated with gender; in other words, women
did not write longer comments than men (Quasi-Poisson
regression model with author as a random effect, p=0.11).

6. Conclusions

In this paper, which combines feminist critical discourse
analysis with corpus linguistics methods, we examined 440
of the most popular posts on r/MenWritingWomen between
2017 and 2022, as well as a subsample of 13 discussion
threads about Stephen King, and presented a sociodemo-
graphic analysis of the subreddit. We have shown that ob-
jectification, and particularly the focus on breasts, is by far
the most frequent representation of women in our sample.
It confirms this to be the central – or at least the most pop-
ular – critique of the subreddit, aligned with its descrip-
tion/motto “She breasted boobily down the stairs....”.

Looking more closely at comments about Stephen King,
we found that Redditors criticize misogynistic content in
various ways, using anger, disgust, humour, irony, com-
parisons, or direct addresses to the author. A num-
ber of comments defend the author or contextualize the
excerpts; many are ambivalent and complex, showing
that critique and defense often coexist. Finally, our so-
ciodemographic analysis showed that both women and
men actively contribute to the subreddit. By contrast,
r/TrollXChromosomes, another subreddit doing “everyday
feminism” through humour, has a less diverse commenters’
base (68.3% women, according to Burkhart (nd)). This
finding may be interpreted in two different lights. If we
look at Reddit as a men-dominated, often hostile environ-
ment to women, the subreddit is characterized by the no-
table presence of women. If we look at the subreddit’s
project as a feminist one, such a strong presence of men
may be surprising.

Taken together, our qualitative and quantitative findings
suggest that r/MenWritingWomen cannot be be straightforwardly characterized as a feminist space. Not all Reddi-
tors who comment on the subreddit engage in feminist cri-
tique; the main focus of critique in our sample (women's breasts) is quite narrow; and other axes of inequality, for example related to questions of race, ethnicity, class or queerness, are largely sidelined. In the Steven King's sample, a Redditor expresses their frustration with this narrow lens: "I'm more concerned about how female characters behave and see the world, to me that's 'men writing women'. Am I completely misunderstanding the sub and its purpose?". This comment highlights a disconnect between the reddit's stated mission and the kind of critique that is the most visible and rewarded. It seems that broader Reddit norms, like the focus on women's bodies and the reward system (karma) that valorizes sensational content (Richterich, 2014), may shape and narrow feminist critique. r/MenWritingWomen is thus an ambivalent space, that operates both as a feminist consciousness-raising platform and a more "typical" reddit.

## 7. Acknowledgements

This work has received funding from the French National Research Agency (Agence Nationale de la Recherche) under the "ANR-24-AERC-0011-01" project; and from the European Research Council (ERC) under the European Union's Horizon 2020 research and innovation programme (Grant agreement No. 850539).

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<table><caption>Table 2: Sub-sample of discussion threads about Stephen King analyzed in section 4., with hyperlinks to the posts on Reddit, dates and number of comments per thread in our corpus (NB: these numbers may not match the number of comments on the website, as scraping was performed several years ago).</caption><thead><tr><td>title</td><td>date</td><td>comm.</td></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td>Ah yes, a completely normal way to describe one's DAUGHTER.</td><td>2019-08-28</td><td>176</td></tr><tr><td>You would think this sexy corpse was satire...</td><td>2019-11-04</td><td>93</td></tr><tr><td>He's gotta be taking the piss out of himself at this point...right? [Stephen King, Doctor Sleep]</td><td>2020-03-22</td><td>91</td></tr><tr><td>A man spends time with his mother for the first time since he left home. He wonders why their dynamic seems different. Could it be the size of her breasts? (The Stand, Stephen King)</td><td>2020-04-14</td><td>90</td></tr><tr><td>How do your nipples react to anti-semitism? [IT by Stephen King]</td><td>2020-05-20</td><td>64</td></tr><tr><td>steven king strikes again</td><td>2020-09-14</td><td>80</td></tr><tr><td>Her orifices aren't welcoming enough</td><td>2021-05-26</td><td>75</td></tr><tr><td>Remember when Stephen King wrote about a sexually abused 12 year old having sex with all her friends (and having an orgasm from two of them)?</td><td>2021-07-06</td><td>226</td></tr><tr><td>Yes, because I really need to know that the lost 9yr old doesn't have breasts. Thanks, Stephen King.</td><td>2021-07-11</td><td>79</td></tr><tr><td>I, too, experienced menopausal depression prior to my first day of kindergarten (from Pet Sematary by Stephen King)</td><td>2021-07-29</td><td>37</td></tr><tr><td>Whyyyy must he write like this?! From Skeleton Crew by Stephen King</td><td>2022-03-24</td><td>45</td></tr><tr><td>Good ol' Stephen King and the sand vagina (Roadwork)</td><td>2022-04-04</td><td>63</td></tr><tr><td>Stephen King - The Shining</td><td>2022-05-13</td><td>49</td></tr></tbody></table>