":::::::::::First of all, what ""mainstream historians"" say does not determine the truth. Wikipedia claims to be NPOV, factual, and informative. Allowing an allegedly ""mainstream"" POV to set the tone is a violation of NPOV, especially when such opinions conflict with the facts.
Second, I note with interest that you haven't disputed the substance of the extensive comments made by Capone and me. Like Fred Bauder, you concentrate on popularity—in the limited context of well-fed Westerners who spent their youth searching for reds under the beds.

Third, you red-bait those who claim—correctly—that capitalism kills hundreds of millions of people every decade by withholding food, clean water, and basic medical care. Calling this ""[t]he Stalinist view of the world"" is a demagogue's tactic.

Fourth, the US, the UK, France, non-Nazi Germany, and other capitalist countries have indeed murdered millions upon millions of their own citizens—or at least of the residents of their territory, whether or not such people were regarded as citizens by the capitalist governments in question. Need I mention the genocide that pushed the indigenous population of an entire hemisphere to the brink of extinction? How about slavery, revolution, civil war, conscription for military adventures abroad?

Finally, if you think that ""Stalin was a paranoid mass-murderer"" is an NPOV statement that belongs in this or any other article, there is no point in discussing anything with you.  18:11, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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