I really don't think its about winning or losing. Its about the process of convincing our editors that this specific content is inapropriate and sometimes harmful to the intregity and spirit of the encyclopedia. I don't reasonably expect to have this occur widely across the wiki anytime soon, although I have a paticular failing in that I'm immensely stubborn on issues like this and I don't quit until something reasonable is done. -Randall Brackett