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Science is about using empirical arguments and data to examine and test falsifiable hypotheses. AIDS denialism has moved out of the realm of science, if it was ever part of this realm. The scientific arguments made by AIDS denialists were best described by the editor of PNAS, when confronted with Duesberg's paper: ""If you wish to make these unsupported, vague, and prejudicial statements in print, so be it. But I cannot see how this would be convincing to any scientifically trained reader."" This is currently a sociopolitical, rather than a scientific, movement, and has been for some time. '''''' Talk "