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Users?  You mean editors.  And yes, there are above, but editors like myself have come into this, and all we see is the noise about ""Yes POV"" ""No POV"" ""Yes POV"" ""No POV"" ""I'm getting an Admin wahhhhhh"" etc. etc.  So your arguments are lost in the self generated noise.  If you didn't get distracted, offered clearly articulated proposals, then discussions can be had.  And yes, perhaps ""the other guy started it"" but if it means that your edit isn't carried, then your proposal is rather in vain?    "