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Hi Tom.  Funny one.  )

I don't see the ""note below"" that you refer to.

As far as insertion of the info in the lead sentence, see the note above our conversation for my thoughts.  The Wiki policy that I refer to, which is the focus of some people who focus more on their view of required format than they do on what is AWK, no doubt largely causes this problem.  I expect you don't have a problem with mention that someone is Latvian, say, in the lead ... and do not view that as AWK.  And, as you and our colleague in the above discussion point out, it was seem non-AWK to say ""Jewish"" or ""Jew"" either before or after the reference to Latvian.  But, where some people's reading of the Wiki format direction stops us from doing this, we are necessarily forced into a more awkward presentation.  What you say ""looks, feels, very awkward.""

If I want to satisfy the format-is-most-important people, and I want to satisfy the AWK-is-most-important people, and still wish to reflect simply, in the text, that someone is Jewish, with no greater emphasis than mention of the fact that they are Latvian, I find that at times this can be challenging (depending on whether the interested parties wish to make the article better, or just like deleting or reverting the info, without putting it in a form that works for them and others).

There are, I expect, one or two other groups of editors out there.  One group just wishes to delete mention of the fact generally that people are Jewish.  Another group wishes to delete mention of the fact that people are Jewish if they believe it will help  or hurt  the image of Jews that they wish to propogate.  These two group, I expect, do not indicate what their true interest is, but cloak their arguments with psuedo-rationale argumentation.

Personally, while I personally support reflection that people are Jewish especially in the area of sportspeople, I would not delete such a reference where the person in question is not one that the Jews might be proud to call their own.  If it notable, as measured  and this is important  by reflection of the fact in multiple sources that are reliable and not connected, then I have no problem with ""good"" or ""bad"" people being identified as Jews, if that is the case ... the same as I have no problem with them being identified as Latvians.

I appreciate your comment that you are not trying to ethnically cleanse articles, as you put it.

I just had some people delete a category that I created, Jewish figure skaters.  It was deleted despite the fact that attempts to delete Jewish sportspeople and Jewish fencers, with largely the same arguments, recently, by the same people, did not result in deletion.  That is now up for deletion review.  If you could give me any thoughts as to your thinking on how to address this issue that would be great as well.

Cheers.  Have a great weekend.

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