"What about the great Larry Bird?
He was a point forward himself.
 16:14, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Damn, fellas, Paul Pressey came to the NBA after John Johnsson retired from it!
 00:29, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't know about the inclusion of Antoine and Dunleavy Jr. as Point Forwards... I think they're pretty much just plain old Forwards these days.  21:44, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How come Magic Johnson is not included in this page? He was 6' 9"" and played point guard.

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grant hill?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.109.90.183   

Magic is the best example of a Point-Forward.  He's the guy on the floor that could play all positions and still run the offense.  LeBron James, Grant Hill, Lamar Odom, Antoine Walker are all guys in the league that are point forwards.  Shawn Marion and Dirk Nowitzki could also be considered point-forwards.  Kevin Durant and Brandon Roy could develop into point-forwards.  It could be argued Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan had some point-forward skill, both of them running their teams during crunch time, although Jordan will be remembered as the ultimate swingman, which he clearly was, than as a point-forward which he was when he began his career and later became again with the Wizards.  Magic gave us ""showtime"" though, he made the position what it is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.129.10.77   

Dirk Nowitzki and Shawn Marion point forwards? That's just incorrect. Anthony Mason was a great passing power forward, not a point forward.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.107.216.70   

WHAT ABOUT POINT CENTER

I would like to see some information about the Point center position. Certain centers have the offense go through them similar to point forwards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.246.140.166   

Define ""having the offense go through them"" for point centers...there are some great passing centers, who the offense moves through (Shaq, Bogut, Duncan), but I can't think of any center who regularly brings the ball up and runs the perimeter game, which is the essence of a point. Also, Magic should NOT be listed as a point forward.  He is a big point guard, and played as a big point guard. and guarded other point guards.    The Showtime Lakers has Michael Cooper, James Worthy, and Byron Scott starting at shooting guard and small forward, putting Magic at point guard.  Most other point forwards (particularly Pippen and anyone who would qualify in today's game) still have actual point guards on the floor with them, though the ball handling is reduced and they're often combo guards(think Ron Harper, Boobie Gibson, Delonte West).  So Magic is still a PG, despite his height, and not a point forward.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.243.11   

Hidayet Türkoğlu played as point guard at 2008 playoffs. He stands 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) tall and plays in the small forward posit