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Dbachmann, I am not in the least surprised by your civil and composed response.  Maybe Decius' English is no better than his Ancient Greek.  Certainly his seething rage is unjistified, and highly indicative of a person with an agenda, and in denial.  I will read the rest of the talk page at my leisure, because it is quite lengthy.  As for the katadesmos, what is there to discuss?  I already provided a translation in English - would you like me to expand on the Grammar used?  It's interesting that you ask that the slate be cleaned.  I see nothing on my slate.  If Decius wishes to, he can start by offering apologies for calling me all these horrible insults, and most especially the ""weasel"" part, which came even after his olive branch (the hypocrisy of it!).  He should apologize earnestly, unreservedly and abjectly.  Unless he does so, I will have every right to be calling him ""the Window Urinator"" (his words, not mine).  In the meantime I would like to ask you to take a look at this article-featured external link: http://www.geocities.com/indoeurop/project/glossary/mace.html and comment on it.  I think it's pathetically amateurish."