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 I'm not active nor interested in helping this site anymore, but as of the day of the posting, both publishers had lists of books on webscriptions. Further, I phoned Arnold and made some direct queries to make sure I had things straight. Some around here might consider that as OR, but the facts are right... or were. Haven't been there in what? something around or over a year, iirc. So from my point of view, consider it a  with that as the accessdate= field with backup. Arnold was also listing a couple of much smaller publishers as well. So... I may make a rare joke in content when the random circumstances align, but not at the expense of a point of fact. I'm well over 7,000 articles edited, so I'm hardly into making things up. Arnold Bailey (owner-operator)& webscriptions is an independent (Of Baen) businessman in the south somewhereone of the Carolina's. Baen is a NYC region publisher. Why would you assume a businessman isn't trying to improve his sales by increasing product carried, floor trade, etc. // nkB "