hi netsnipe - thanks for the unblock 

i am not worthy, i am not worthy...
thanks again netsnipe, not really sure why i got blocked my comments on the ref desk discussion page where meant to add to the ongoing debate, but i can be too frivolous on the ref desk so i will rein that in pronto
 the 'sock' thing? possibly because i use to call my self 'abe' before i learned to log in (abe normal was already being used) and as perry-mankster i use several networked computers and a home pc to log in this could have caused the sock thingy? and yes using a spoonerism like perry mankster will have you marked as a naughty boy, but it was in ref to tom, ken, jack, and neal rather than trolling i have a fun sense of the world and don't take myself to seriously, and of course this might not transfer to well to something like wiki, so i will try and be more intune to wiki standards when replying on the desks.

wiki has to be the best thing i,ve ever found on the net and hope it stays as good

thanks again