, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

If the point is that Warren and his church are viewed as controversial in some circles and that some substantial, clear (particularly to those unfamiliar with the American cultural stew from which this springs), additional detail should be added to the articles (both here and at Rick Warren) to reflect that, then that should be argued. Otherwise, all this blather over Savage's latest addition to the English language is a waste of time; it's a poor surrogate that avoids mention of such substantive issues. I think it reflects accumulated fatigue from the long arguments over past unsuccessful proposed changes.   06:17