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That is why a discussion that immediately asks for a ban isn't a good idea, and the reason I pushed for a system in place for submitting evidence. One that takes a few days so it isn't decided in the heat of the moment, and gives everyone a chance to present evidence, instead of talking over each other and ""voting"" before any evidence is presented.  Not ""like Arb"", but a light weight system with some light duty structure and failsafes, so it will be a discussion, possibly deliberation, then a solution can be proposed. RAS was the wrong answer, but I think it had the right idea: slow down, stick to the facts.  - 2¢ "