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I understand. I guess Editors who remain indefinitely blocked after due consideration by the community are considered ""banned by the Wikipedia community"" makes it clear, tho I have to admit I am uncomfortable with the lack of nuance between ""indef blocked due to lack of consensus to unblock"" and a formal banning, but in the end they are the same. For the record I agree with the block/ban, but am just a nut when it comes to nuance. 140.247.141.165  "