"==Irving Literary Society (Cornell University)==
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 Third Party Review, WikiProject New York Posting 
Transferred from User Page:
Hi Cmagha! I never saw the original AfD discussion, but I think the article looks like the start of something fantastic! My only concern would be that the majority of your references seem to come from ""Cornell specific"" sources (i.e. Cornell Daily Sun, Cornell Era, Cornell Register, etc...). College/ university published sources are a bit of a grey area within WP:N when dealing with a campus organization, as some may not consider these to be ""independent of the subject."" That being said, we aren't dealing with a fly by night college band that played at Moonshadows and had a writeup in the Ithacan, this is a literary society almost as old as Cornell University itself and has had significance well beyond East Hill. Despite the large number of CU oriented sources (which I personally believe are independent), you have enough that would be unambiguously independent to survive another AfD if need be. I'd post what you have now and keep looking for more! ' says you, says two  
 Wow, great work.  Sorry I've been out of the loop.  Double smiley face from the Syracuse Orangemen brought in to ensure neutrality.  Think the critics need to read the article from a distance  this is hardly promotional, when you think about it.  It is basically saying that Cornell University had a chance to excell in an intellectual activity, and tanked.  We obviously would not have done that at SU.  I do think there is a Sumner cite out there to, that Cmagha missed.  Will look for it.   

WIPTransferred from User PageOversaw your preparations at . Since others may communicate here now and again, you may want to move your editorial notes to a user subpage, like  talk 
 Thanks for the tip ! Very hard to learn lots of the intricacies of the Wikiworld.  I stll have some prep to do before asking the administrator to move that article over; there are two editors, in particular, who are still a little raw on the article and the administrator  while fair and neutral  has been tough.   

 Guidance from Administtrator, October 1, 2010
Just reviewed the Irving article, again.  Notability addressed in the first seven footnotes.  Will move it back into the mainspace unless you have additional concerns.173.59.205.137  
 I think it's ready to go; also see on Cmagha's user page that others have reviewed it positively.  What are the remaining objections, and how do we appeal if there are still objections?  
 Here is the page, Spartaz, if you need a refresher: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cmagha/The_Irving_Literary_Society_(Cornell_University)
  
Take it to DRV please.  Humbug! 

 Administrator Guidance to Editor, July 11 2010 
Copied from Spartaz User page:
The Irving article has been noticed on the WikiProject New York page; some helpful comments sent back.  Did not receive notice on your G4 decision; we will be asking to move the article back to mainspace shortly.  Thanks for the aid.   
 No. Unless you have addressed the significant issues concerning allegations of misrepresenting sources and the contention that all of the sources are tangential or trivial then this isn't going back into mainspace.  Humbug! 

 Material for Spartaz to Review Prior to Deciding Whether to Move Article to Mainspace, July 11, 2010 
Comparators: In order of less, to more, evidence: Sphinx (senior society) (Notability based incredibly on primary,