To Baristarim: I did not say i am offended to be compared to the Turks! i am much aware of all the cultural similarities u mentioned and for thousands more! what could somehow offend me is to compare Greece (state) with Turkey (state), and this is what i commented on... I do not consider the turkish people responsible for what their military and government do... And in fact, i like all the turkish people i know, and i never had any problem with them. I know that in Istanbul there many greek orthodox churches, perhaps many more than in Athens... but there are no greek orthodox people anymore, that was my point... as for Ocalan, i'd rather not comment (not cause i can't). Search for Topal Osman (if it helps, his grave is on a hill, some meters above a greek church).