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Horologium, pardon me for taking this up as well. You said above that you would not consent to an unblock ""barring some change in behavior"". I'm going to take a wild, wild guess and say that you'd not be the only one to state that kind of condition. Since we can't look into each other's hearts, and since there can be no assessment of behavior until there is behavior (the only ""behavior"" now is an occasional note on his talk page), what is it that you would like to hear from Kiefer? And what kinds of restrictions, if any, do you think can be helpful? An Iban with Demiurge is probably a given, as is some type of restriction on RfA, AN(/I) participation, etc. FWIW, I accept his comments about the offending remark; it would have been better if he had swallowed a bit more pride, and it's clear that I'm probably in the minority there, but I do accept it.I sent Kiefer an email a week or so ago, to see how he was doingafter all, we both were blessed with a beautiful child around the same time last yearand I'm trying to figure out a way to heal some wounds. For the record, I have had my disagreements with him and I certainly don't approve of everything he's done here (I'm sure he feels the same way, and that's fine). I don't wish to be an apologist (for any side) and excuse everything that's happened, but I'm trying to find a way forward. I wish, for instance, that he would find it easier to let bygones be bygones (I think I'm paraphrasing GiantSnowman, from an AN thread about a proposed Iban between the two of them, and I wish KF had accepted that from GS). Anyway, this message is longer than I intended it to be, and I apologize for that. I suppose I'm also asking you if (or when) you can let bygones be bygones. There's no immediate urgency for you to respond; if you could ping me when you do, if you do, I'd appreciate it.For the talk page stalkers: please let's not turn this into ANI. I could have emailed Horologium privately, but I prefer to do this here, in between the privacy of email and the dramah of a board. At some point the community will be involved, if this ever gets anywhere; for now I'm interested in Horologium's response (and, possibly, {{|RegentsPark}}'s, since he started this thread). Or, pretend you never read this. Thanks,   "