First of all, I LOVE DIP TOO! I was actually thinking of using it for games like Setters or Carcassonne or Ticket to Ride in our group of friends. But anyway, what about this idea suggested by a friend: If player A wins against B and C, then the Elo is calculated as if it were 2 games: A beats B, A beats C. Is that any mathematically better or worse than the one you mention? 08:18, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)