Yes but the discusion has been long, and User:Tbma dosent take any notice from any kind of argument, and now he uses 3 grade sources, for ex the book Kantakoski, Pekka (1998). Punaiset panssarit - Puna-armeijan panssarijoukot 1918-1945 (Red tanks - the Red Army's armoured forces 1918-1945)is an exelent book on Red army tank units, but it dont cover Battle for Tali-Ihantal more than a cuple of phrases and its both old and inaccurate on the Soviet OOB, newer and better resershed and on a deeper scale is the work of proffesor Otho Manninen who studied Russian archives and Koskimaa, this sources is not even considerd by Tbma.