Otrobonita/noicy-space-talks huggingface dataset:
CDR: What do you think I'm doing, Charlie? I fell behind when he gets an ISS light.
CDR: Does the - does the D-to-A thing look like it's working, Ken? Or does it still have to pass that test?
CMP: No. They - they don't want me to play and find out.
CDR: That's right. You don't - -
CMP: I'm gonna play Just like I did on that sim, though. I'm gonna give them some time and if they don't come up with an answer, I'm gonna go find out.
CDR: ..., you know.
CMP: They can complain all they want to. That's the day I ain't running a training course for G&C.
CMP: Quit hogging the exercise period, John.
LMP: How much have we got?
CMP: We got another - Charlie's got to get his in there and I got to get in mine in there.
CDR: One more pull and I'11 give it to you.
CMP: I was on - I was on about - I was working 10 minutes on my arms, 10 minutes on _y legs, and then 10 min- utes back on mY arms again, and I - -
CMP: Go ahead. 7
CMP: Who's got my pencil?
CMP: Okay. I have done this in the simulator and it - it did work, and we'11 try this one in Just a second. Okay, I'11 need my pencil back, you thief.
CMP: Okay. You want to set - you want to kill the DAP as the number i step.
CDR: Over here, where the ... is.
CMP: Okay, and then you want to go back and go through step 12.
CMP: Okay, that's in work. I have 11101, 01111, okay. Zero. That's good. Just - Just hit l's.
CDR: PRO?
CDR: PRO. PRO.
CMP: Okay, I have to do a VERB 46 on this. Now, that was one of the - the no-no's we had the other night. Is that okay?
CMP: Okay, Just during _IP. Thank you.
CMP: Okay, and now that's working like a champ.
CDR: Yeah, it works Just like it's supposed to now. i °''
CMP: Okay, very good. I've done this thing in the CMS and I had the DAP on. There must be some other special condition where that -
CDR: That says that D-to-A ain't it.
CDR: Yeah. You can see, this - this ain't at all conclusive because this is all - -
CMP: - - based on - this is all based on assumption up here, that you - that you couldn't get the lights off. We really had a transient condition.
CDR: I know we did.
CMP: So anything we find down here is only suggestive - -
CDR: Okay. Okay, it's suggestive, but in the - in the final analysis - -
CC: Ken, we'd like for you to activate the DAP again on a VERB 48, and 1 in digit A, and then a VERB 46.
LMP: In the final analysis what, Jahn?
CDR: Yo_an't tell visually whether the FDAI is - is re_ng and all that - you can't tell - you can't tell this right here by eyeball. You'd have to run - you'd have to run a P52 to tell that.
CMP: That's right. I agree with you. Hank, we'd like to - I'd like to run a P52 here and see - see what kind of torquing angles we get. That will tell us whether or not we really been having any kind of a - of a hangup in the A-to-D section. As short as it was, we couldn't have gotten very far off in attitude.
CC: Roger. We don't think it moved.
CC: Oh. Say again? We were in PTC at the time, so there was bound to be some rates going at the time. The fact that the VERB 40 didn't change anything shows that - -
CC: 16, Houston. Our SIM bay's gonna get too cold if we don't change attitudes. We'd like for you to roll to 280 degrees and then do the P52.
CMP: Okay, I'11 roll to 280. I'11 do a - -
CDR: The first thing you got to do is ...
CMP: They're close.
LMP: You through with your exerciser, John?
CDR: Yeah, here.
CMP: Okay, 280 is over here.
LMP: Charlie, you're so strong.
CMP: Who's giving the big sighs? You guys are huffing and puffing like it's on - -
LMP: I Just started.
CDR: What are you supposed to do? You're supposed to put it on - -
CMP: What - what did you set it on, though?
CDR: I don't know. Whatever it took.
CDR: Well, ... - -
CMP: Is it up all the way?
CMP: Well, I don't have no idea.
CDR: Well, Charlie, if that's the thing that you were going to do - -
LMP: How do you do it?
CDR: Well, I did it like that, but I've never done it like you're doing it. A L
CMP: How'd you do it?
CDR: ... both.
CMP: I don't think it matters.
CDR: Not if you don't care anymore.
LMP: (Heavy breathing)
CDR: Like if it was one of those 0.15-degree things. That's the only way you gonna tell, is do a - -
CMP: 52.
CDR: - - ... I - I forget how that thing is. I forget what the bits are in the CDUs, but they're like - -
CMP: Plus 4 point - -
CDR: - - 22-1/2 sticks in my mind, or 11-1/4, or 5-3/4. 11-1/4 plus We sure didn't have when we were - -
CMP: Well, ,1most. The only one you could tell with the naked eye ... degree.
CMP: (Heavy breathing) ... degrees in here.
CDR: Yeah, ... if you can believe what kind of eight ball you got here.
CDR: The spec value on the eight ball is ... - -
CMP: Well, shoot, Just 1.
CDR: - - 210.
CMP: One and one-half?
LMP: ... specs.
CMP: We're doing a lot better than specs, aren't we?
CMP: We think it's - I've been watching it, and it's Just isn't off more than a degree.
CDR: Yeah, that's one thing that hacked me about this platform whole business. Here we are flying a that's accurate to a hundredth of a degree, and we don't have a display to where we can tell it. You know?
CMP: You need a vernier.
CDR: You need - you need - you need fine displays if and you're gonna fly something like this, tell us beforehand.
CDR: Same way we shut down the Saturn.
CDR: ... could make it ... display where you could m-nually shut the mother off .... Just put it on the - in there - little line knocked off, and say shut down. They chew your tail off if you say anything.
CMP: Oh, yeah. Put it in there with - The thing was, when they built those things, they didn't have those kind of uses in mind.
CDR: No, they had some stupid use in mind. You can bet on that ....
CMP: Heyl (Laughter)
CDR: It's working, but we got to check it out. It comes up very shortly, I understand. Some time today.
CMP: Yeah. Let's see what -
LMP: What comes up very shortly? Check what out?
CDR: Houston, we Just wanted you to know that the heart rates you're seeing or not seeing are due to the exercise period, not the ISS lights, although that could be a factor.
CC: The Surgeon, I think, had come to the conclusion you must be exercising.
CMP: That's because he doesn't understand ISS lights.
CDR: He Just doesn't know what an ISS light will do to a boy.
CDR: My PRD is floating.
LMP: That's mine.
CDR: ... want to defecate. Go down there.
CMP: Yeah, if there's one kind of malfunction that I really don't like, it's these transient things. They keep you all keyed up -
CDR: ... come on all day, you know? ... never see them again.
CMP: Yeah, I know. That's what worries you most. That's that engine that burps then runs.
LMP: Whew!
CDR: Sweating, Charlie?
LMP: Starting to get hot.
CDR: Yeah, I start sweating; that's my problem. Had to quit because I ain't - we ain't got any room to sweat in here.
CC: John, the Surgeon says your heart rate hit a peak of 114 during the exercise period.
CDR: Well, I was timing it myself. Only got up to 100. You_.
CMP: Your gear is a cardboard - probably a cardboard table with little tick marks in it. I can't belleve, on that last LBNP test that they ran on our last physical, I ended up with a 30 - 38 heart rate laying on this table.
CMP: Thirty-eight? Mine's never been - I think 48 was the lowest I've ever been.
CMP: Bet I ain't been that low on this flight. I always thought it was probably - -
LMP: I bet you that - I bet you when you were sleeping, it was that low.
CMP: I wonder. Man, I tell you, every time I turn around I - I'm paying attention to - little battery compartment that reads 2.8.
LMP: It does?
CMP: Yeah. No, I'm sorry. 2.6. Excuse me.
LMP: It's all my fault.
CDR: I don't think they got that psyched out, really.
CMP: They think that they do. You got to be careful of that one because that's the one that - We return that gear, and their analysis is subject to checking.
CDR: (Laughter) You know, you'd be wrong about the gimbal motors ...
CMP: Right. They'11 have a very positive report about the gimbal motors. (Laughter)
CDR: Yeah. There's always three answers to every question. One one guy knows, the one the other guy knows, and the one that's right.
CDR: Charlie - -
CMP: Why don't you whip off a 52, there, John?
CDR: You want me to do it?
CDR: If anybody can do it, I can.
CC: Ken, our pitch has got off a little bit. We need about 120 degrees in pitch also.
CMP: Is that for a thermal reasons, Hank?
CMP: You weenie. I don't believe that.
CDR: Well, they got - I think I got data. I don't know that their thermal rationale is right.
CMP: Okay, now it'11 be a second here before I get to that attitude.
CDR: Hey, you got you some stick time, Ken? ... Charlie.
CMP: He'd be lucky if he can see anything through that telescope. I don't know. The Sun's at our back, so maybe he can.
CC: Ken, you want to keep an eye on your roll.
CMP: Well, how about telling me what attitude you precisely would like.
CC: 280, 120, and 040.
CMP: Okay; I can do that.
CDR: Yeah, I see stars. Why don't you close up the - can you close up the ..., you guys?
CMP: Yeah, I'11 close up the hatch for you. I can't believe the difference in 280 and 284 means a hill of beans - in this big marshmallow.
CDR: Well, I could see stars there for a while.
LMP: Okay. Say when, Ken.
CDR: If you can take you some shots, well - let me use the DSKY here. It's a better reference. I'11 probably go ahead and do it and then I'11 probably get a better hack on the attitude here.
CDR: We got two stars out there and I don't know what they could be.
CMP: Probably Alpha and Beta Centauri.
CDR: ... probably right. Is that where we're pointed now ...?
CDR: That's what they are ....
CMP: You don't have Atria next to it?
CDR: No, I can't see it. Ken, let me do it. Okay?
CMP: No, wait a minute, John. I - we'11 use the DSKY.
CDR: Okay, now I got all kind of stars up here. There's l, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. I don't know what any of them are.
CDR: Say when, Ken.
CMP: I'11 give you the program ..., John.
CMP: He really didn't mean to Just fly over to 280 roll.
CDR: He really didn't mean to do that?
CMP: No. He meant go to a specific attitude. He Just didn't bother to say what it was.
LMP: I thought he gave you 120.
CMP: Yeah, after I asked for it. I could have gone there the first time Just as easy.
CMP: (Sneeze) Excuse me. (Sneeze)
CDR: ... and Beta Centauri?
CMP: You can get Menkent ... All right. Now we're going to throw ourselves to attitude rate ATT RATE 2, LIMIT CYCLE, ON.
CDR: ... sort of oriented - -
CMP: ... power must be on.
CDR: Are we - are we oriented up north?
CMP: Towards the south.
CDR: Towards the south.
CMP: Okay, the first one is star 21.
CDR: Star 21. Gonna have to go to ZERO OPTICS, Ken.
CDR: ZERO to OFF ....
CMP: You'11 have to turn the OPTICS power on before you're going to get anything.
CMP: Turn the OPTICS power on first.
CDR: Yeah; power on.
CMP: Okay; now ZERO the OPTICS.
CDR: They're ZEROed.
CMP: You did it after the OPTICS power was turned on?
CDR: No, before.
CMP: No, you got to do it after. Because that's the only way the computer gets its discrete.
CDR: You go to OFF and then back to ZERO, right?
CMP: Yeah. After the power's on. You have an SCS; you can go to MANUAL when the drive is finished. When- ever you feel like it, as a matter of fact.
CDR: If I go to OFF, that program light hasn't been on . , .
CDR: That program light?
CMP: What about it?
CDR: ... was on. Do I go back to ZERO ...
CMP: No, no - as long as you've been in there 15 seconds. And we'11 Just check it here.
CDR: Okay, that's close enough.
CMP: Okay, it's your computer.
CDR: Want me to do - try one?
CDR: Twenty-one -
CDR: MARK, 21 is now marked. Okay, now I know where I'm at. Yeah, we're down to about - Okay, fine.
CMP: (Laughter) I told you we were pointing south.
CDR: I know you told me that, but I didn't see any stars out there.
CDR: There you go. CMC. Spica.
CDR: Phewl Boy, it's really getting bad, Ken.
CMP: It's right in the - - TIME SKIP CONFIDENTIAL
CC: 16, Houston. You can check out the TV now.
LMP: Okay. Thank you. With any luck, it'11 break. Turn the monitor on.
CDR: Monitor's on. That's not ... It's ... - -
CMP: You don't have the power on yet.
LMP: Yeah, I do. I got it in STANDBY.
CMP: You got the TV switch on?
LMP: Yeah. I got it to S-BAND AUX TV and to STANDBY. We ought to be getting a picture on the monitor.
CMP: There it comes. I see us - -
LMP: Takes a few seconds for it to warm up.
CDR: What - what do you see on the monitor?
CMP: Looks to me like -
CDR: It's taking a nice picture of the wire.
LMP: Okay, you got - let me have ... - -
CMP: Why don't you let me get the brightness to bring on the monitor.
CMP: I hope that's what it is. Maybe you need to stop down the aperture.
CDR: Back on again.
LMP: That's what it is. Yeah. I don't know.
CMP: You want me to adjust it?
LMP: The brightness is too ...
CDR: (Whistling) ;_'_
CDR: Can you see this, Charlie? On the monitor?
LMP: Oh. Yeah, you can see it.
CMP: ... Oh, excuse me. I stepped on your tail.
CDR: Didn't hurt it.
UNKNOWN: Ken. Why don't you get in?
CDR: Come on over here.
CMP: I'm in the picture.
LMP: No, you aren't. You Just - your strut - the strut's in the way.
CDR: See, that's the problem with it. To get three guys in the picture is really tough.
CMP: I tell you what, I'11 get in the tunnel and hang head down.
LMP: That wouldn't be bad.
CDR: It might work okay.
CMP: I hope all the blood doesn't rush to my head.
LMP: That'd be a great picture, as a matter of fact.
LMP: You think any - -
CMP: Huh! I think this'11 work.
LMP: Yeah, it will. It's gonna be great. But you got to get_ up a little bit. There you go.
CMP: Get which way? How should -
LMP: Higher up that way so you got - -
CMP: Higher up in the cone?
LMP: Yeah. Can you?
CMP: Like that?
LMP: Yeah, that's great.
CMP: Oh, yeah, I see. I got mY head up against John.
CMP: That's too far.
LMP: You see how you all think that looks.
CMP: Well, that looks like a good picture. Wish I knew what it was.
CDR: Get the wire out in front of the camera.
LMP: It's the wire, yeah.
CMP: Now what - Can you slide down some, John?
CMP: Let's see, maybe the - can you slide the - center the picture a little bit better?
CMP: Yeah, why don't you all take the monitor over this way out of the - out of the field of view. Which way you want it to - -
CMP: That's really gonna be a good picture, isn't it?
LMP: Yeah, which way you want it to go?
CMP: Push the lens - up a little. Right there.
CMP: How's that? Now, why don't you come get in the picture and see -
LMP: Okay; let me tighten this thing down - -
CMP: I think you - I think you -
CDR: I wouldn't even mess with it. It ain't gonna move.
LMP: Okay .... the old urine hose?
CMP: (Laughter) Okay, I've - -
CDR: Okay, now. Get the water ... down.
CMP: I got to move the camera over - let's see if I can - -
CDR: Just let Charlie slide over.
CMP: Is that gonna be enough?
CMP: Sure. There we go.
CMP: Okay. (Laughter)
CMP: There we go. We can put the monitor right here.
LMP: Yeah. Let me take - let me Just take - -
CDR: Maybe we all ought to slide down a little, and then - and then Ken can - -
LMP: Yeah. There we go.
CDR: Now you come down a little.
CMP: I'm - I'm in good shape. This is comfortable here. I can stay here; I couldn't stay where I was. Can you read that from here? I'11 pull my tail up. You can read it from that way.
CDR: Is it - is it live TV?
LMP: No, it's not. It's not on - it is going to be, but it's not now.
CMP: I got ... - -
CDR: Then it will be - -
CDR: - - in the future.
LMP: I got to go to TRANSMIT.
CMP: Okay. You want to get the tape out of there, and I'11 tape it? Or how about if I Just - -
CDR: Tape what?
LMP: Let me - I'11 ... - -
CMP: Here, here. How about this?
LMP: Okay; wherever - wherever you can look at it. You know more about that than I do.
CMP: Smell. It's ...
LMP: Oh, that's the Velcro.
LMP: Wait a minute. Let me get un - unraveled a little bit - -
CMP: Let me get some of this cord out of there.
CMP: Let me get - Let's see. Yeah, there's what I need. Man, right up here on the ceiling. Now, get you a picture that's about oriented the way you see it. Can you see that?
LMP: Yeah. Uh-huh.
UNKNOWN: That's got too much torque in it.
LMP: There; it's going to stay.
UNKNOWN: Well, now what do we do? Tell them we're all ready to go - -
CMP: Okay; right in the middle of this little exercise, the ISS warning light comes on.
CDR: There will be a lot of ... there.
CMP: Boy, that's more elbows than you've ever seen in one small screen.
CMP: Tell them we're ready to go.
CDR: Okay, Houston, we got the gear all checked out ready to go whenever you are.
LMP: We'11 get down a little bit so Ken can ... - -
CMP: Let's see, I wonder if that - -
CC: ... got Just 8 minutes to go.
CMP: Yeah. I believe that helps - or hurts.
CMP: I think it helps to have it up.
CMP: Turn it - have it up?
CMP: Yeah. I think you're right.
LMP: You have any fixed ones over here that we could put on?
CMP: Okay, let me try that.
CDR: I couldn't see it ... on the picture, but - Yeah, I think - -
LMP: Yeah, it did help.
CDR: I think it did.
CDR: Yeah. Try not to hit the strut. Hey, that's going to be neat. First time anybody's ever hung upside down before.
CMP: Can you read Mr. D. there, John? I can drop it on down ... --
CDR: Yeah. Oh, no; that's fine.
CMP: Okay. Why don't you practice that, John?
CDR: There's nothing so far removed from us so as to be beyond our reach nor - or so hidden that we cannot discover it.
CDR: And here we sit - -
CMP: ... minutes.
CDR: - - testing his theories with what we been doing.
CDR: I'11 Just sit here the whole time scratching _y rear.
LMP: Oh, you ... (laughter).
CMP: Adjust up your arm. Hey, wouldn't you know the TV studio turns out to be the head also.
LMP: Phew! That urine is beginning to smell real good, isn't it?
CMP: Oh, boy. You wonder, why would anyone build a spacecraft with everything located in the John?
CDR: Where else could they put it?
CMP: Well, I might get one more exercise period in tonight before I go to bed.
CDR: I think that's a good idea.
CDR: ... we're going to snocker them on that bike tomorrow.
LMP: I feel great. I really do, but I don't know how I feel - I'm going to feel when I hit the ground.
CMP: I got a feeling that hitting the ground is going to be Just like the adaptation of hitting orbit.
CDR: Not the same.
CMP: Like you felt like you'd always been there.
LMP: Now I didn't quite have that feeling (laughter).
LMP: It's a great picture.
CMP: Yeah; of course, the one that goes down isn't that good. ! I
LMP: Hey, Hank, do you have a list of questions? Are you going to be reading the questions up?
CDR: Boy, ... I like to do that.
CMP: Let's see, what time - Where's the Flight Plan?
LMP: Right up there, Ken (yawn). It's supposed to be 268:10 or something like that.
CDR: Yeah, we've got about 2 minutes to go. I can't see a clock.
CMP: It's right over there.
LMP: It's ... here - -
CMP: It's 268:02.
CMP: No, 08. · ~ ..
CMP: Oh, 06 here. Back in stable II again.
CMP: Now it's back to ... We can forget about that.
CMP: EMS entry check.
CDR: (Yawn) Coming up?
CMP: Yes, sir. And then we get ready for those Skylab contamluation photos; we'11 get those out of the way. And I'11 do n_f weight measurements at the same time, Just before we get to it. And then we go do some entry stowage. How does that Sound?
CDR: Sounds pretty good.
LMP: Okay; there's two PPKs back there. I got one up here, and the rest of them - -
CDR: We catalog all of that on the entry stowage.
CMP: And there's a bunch in there?
LMP: Oh, you do?
CMP: Man, I tell you, there's more PPKs around this place than you can imagine.
CMP: We have an eat period, then a rest period, and then we come out and we have 6 hours to entry.
UNKNOWN: Well, I tell you that -
CDR: Ohhh. You know what I ought to - As a precaution, I almost feel like pulse torquing that platform tomorrow.
LMP: I sure would. How long does it take?
CDR: I don't know ... though.
CMP: Well, you got to go -
LMP: 80 degrees -
CDR: Yeah - -
CDR: - - ... 80 degrees.
CDR: I don't know what the pitch has to do.
CMP: It's going to be a - it could be a 12 - 14-minute torque, but the - -
CMP: Well, we've got plenty of time. Four hours before entry. And you get another one on downstream.
CDR: And we could - and we could maueuver the vehicle to ... the stars. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind what you ... see. You can recognize the patterns out here.
CMP: Well, what I did the other night works like a champ.
CDR: It sure does. Man, it worked like a champ. Sure a good way to do it.
CMP: Yeah - -
CDR: Let's do that.
CMP: You never - you never get screwed up that way. You can't miss the Sm; you can't miss the Moon.
CMP: Yeah. The accuracy you get was - well, enough to get auto optics to put the stars down. No, it's in the sextant.
CDR: You still ... - -
CMP: No sense in fooling around wasting time looking for - -
CDR: Well, let's do - let's do that then.
CDR: That.
CMP: The thing I'm worried about is if you coarse align, and it doesn't work, then what have you got?
CDR: Well, let's align the SCS like we did before.
LMP: Do it Just like you've been doing except torque - except pulse torquing. Why don't you do that?
CMP: That's awfully ... If you coarse align, and it doesn't work, I don't know what kind of a failure mode that leaves you in.
LMP: Okay. They're about to come up. Why don't you give me the Flight Plan? (Yawn)
CMP: I'11 Just stuff it up here.
CDR: Let me get up about like this. That'11 be half- way between you and Ken.
CDR: ... Try and slide in there. There you go. That's good.
LMP: I - I - -
CC: 16, Houston. We're about ready to go here. You want to try to bring up the TV?
CDR: Okay; it's in work. Going to TRANSMIT. Doesn't show. Okay. Then ... better go to TRANSMIT.
CMP: Yeah. You know that's a way to get to the patch in there. If you just - if you Just drive up towards that camera, Charlie, that one on your patch flows right up and looks great. That's a good way to end it.
CMP: Once you reach over for the TRANSMIT switch, you Just got to try to keep that - -
CC: Okay. We've got a picture now.
CC: - - patch centered on the -
LMP: Super' How does it look?
CDR: How does everything look to you?
CC: Come down Just a little bit, Ken. There you go.
CMP: Which way is down? (Laughter)
LMP: That - this way, towards me. That's good.
CMP: Looks like I'm - you know - -
CC: Other than the fact that you're looking pretty wooly now, that's not bad.
LMP: (Laughter) Keeps you warm.
CMP: Where did it go?
LMP: It's going right towards the ...
CC: Apollo 16, the questions in this press conference have been prepared by newsmen covering the flight here at the Manned Spacecraft Center. I'm going to read them to you exactly as worded by the newsmen and in a priority specified by them. Question number i for John Young: A couple of times you were on hot mike and didn't know it, but how could a nice Florida boy like you say what you did about citrus fruit?
CDR: That's a very good question. Wait until you drink it day and night for 2 weeks, and - and let me know what you think. And for lunch, too. I have - I have an orange grove - -
CC: Question number 2 - -
CDR: - - I have an orange grove down in Florida, too, so I do like citrus, but citrus drinks are sc_e- thing else.
CC: Question 2: When the CSM circularization burn could not be performed on schedule, did you think you wouldn't be able to land on the Moon?
CDR: Yeah, I thought we all had serious doubts about whether we were going to be able to do it or not.
CC: Question number 3 in three parts. Were you sur- prised at the rocks and other formations at the Cayley site?
LMP: You want me to take that one?
CDR: Yeah, try it, Charlie.
CDR: I think we were. The - the original impression had been mostly volcanics to look for, and I don't think we've found the - the highest percentage of vol - volcanics as we had originally anticipated. So the rocks that we found were unique, that we'd never seen before in any of the lunar samples, we feel, and so it was a surprise.
CC: Do you think your geological training properly prepared you to describe them?
CDR: I think so, _der the circumstances. You see, most of the rocks are - were dust covered apparently by the - by the - the two impacts, North Ray and South Ray. It had Just thrown a big blanket of dust out across there, and we saw very few rocks that were clean un - until we cut into them. And you don't want to take too much time to stop and whack off a piece of rock, because that's pretty hard to do in a pressure suit. So we were Just describing them more by shape and softness and friability and things like that. And that really doesn't take a lot of training, but I think we've had adequate training to do this kind of a job.
CC: Did you see anything specifically volcanic?
CDR: Tell them about the ...
LMP: As far as craters go, Hank, we think we saw two that had the shape we called endogenic - that had the shape of very subdued old cinder cones or some- thing of that nature. They were - In other words, they were - looked more like, well, sink holes, really, with the surrounding topography. They had no rim on them, and, to us, it looked like it might have been a source for some volcanic activity way, way back.
CC: Question 4: Several times at North Ray you mentioned, "Don't get too close to the edge." Did you think that if you had fallen in, you wouldn't have been able to get out?
LMP: (Laughter) Yeah. You bet.
CDR: If we had fallen in, we would not have been able to get out. That's correct.
CC: Question 5: The heat flow experiment you broke was successfully fixed in simulation, although it was complicated and took a great deal of time. Do you think you should have tried to fix it or do what you did?
UNKNOWN: think we're qualified to _ke that decision. It was made by people on the ground that are far more qualified to do that sort of thing than we are. If - if we had been told to do that, we would have certainly done it.
CC: Would you like to have been informed of the suc- cessful sinta - simulation and the trade-off factors involved?
CDR: I - I still don't think that that's our decision- making process up there on the surface.
CC: Question 6: You've had a lot of equipment trouble during this mission. Is there a common thread run- ning through all these problems for which you could suggest an explanation?
CDR: (Laughter) Why don't you take that one?
CMP: Yeah. I think space flight's kind of complicated. You got a lot of sophisticated equipment here that you're trying to get all working at one time. I think that's what we built a redundancy in for, and it seems to be paying off quite well.
CDR: Yeah. I don't - I don't think there's any relation between any of these failures, one to another. I don't know. I don't think there's any common thread. I agree with Ken; it's very complicated gear. It has to run for long periods of time, and you've got to expect some times that it won't run, and you got to know how to fix it. And that's why they send us on these trips.
CC: Question 7 for Ken: Your observations of the land- ing site. Did you see the lunar module or the Rover, and did you see any differences between Cayley and Descartes?
CMP: Okay; that's - that's two distinct questions. First thing, did I see it? We never pointed the sextant at the landing site according to the Flight Plan because of the alterations we had. And there were two occasions, once when I thought I had caught a glint of light, which I could not recognize as the LM but which came from the location where I think the LM probably was sitting. And that was very close to the position on nV map that you folks read up to me. And once, as the Rover was starting up on Stone Mountain, I Just happened to be looking as they went by, and I think you were on the shift, Hank, and told me that they were hitting Stone Mountain. And I looked over there, and about that time I got another little flash of light, which is about all, with the 10-power optics we have, that - that I think you could expect to see. And at no time could you see something you could identify.
LMP: Probably was us.
CC: The second part of that question was: Did you see any differences between Cayley and Descartes?
CC: Yes, I think there's a - distinctly different morph- ology.involved in these two units. Our preflight training is a little different in impression than what I think I saw; and, again, we have, like I say, a 10-power resolution. I think the - the real answer of what this material is, is going to lay in analyzing the data postflight. We have some good film records, and I think the - when you put that together with the rocks we picked up, we'11 have a pretty powerful story that'11 explain a lot of things we don't know now. But I think that there are sec- tions of material we called Descartes, particularly the material that makes up Stone and Smoky, and that stuff runs all the way south down to the old Descartes Crater for which the region is named. And that does look texturally entirely different from the Cayley formation.
CC: Question number 8, again for Ken: What were your impressions of the back side of the Moon, and were there any surprises?
CMP: Well, the impression of the back side is something I tried to collect from the time we got there until the time we left. And I'm still mulling that over in my mind. I've got a lot of transcripts we're going to have to read before I can psych it all out. But, in general, the impression I have is that the material on the back side, when you look at it on as small a detail as I could look, looks to me like it's very much like the material we find on the front side surrounding most of the big craters. The thing that looks different is that the back side is devoid of these large basins. We don't have the large mares; there's very little mare. In fact, at the back side, the only mare we saw was really post-TEI, when we could look back and see a bigger area. But our groundtrack didn't pass over any mare in the daylight, so it took awhile to psych that out. But I think that was the major difference was the absence of these large basins. And, on the back side, did we see surprises? Well, we went up looking for - with a suspicion that we might find material similar to the Descartes formation located in several areas of the back side, and, indeed, I think we did. I think we saw an awful lot. I think we saw a lot that looks exactly like the Cayley. And I think the things that I saw that were - probably the most surprising thing was the - on the side of a crater called Gt_rot, which is Just to the north and a little west of King Crater, which is right about the eastern limb of the Moon when you look at it from the Earth, we saw a big hole, I'11 call it a crater, in the side of and this - of the wall of this crater, it appeared And our that there was material oozing out. on last couple of revs, we passed almost directly overhead, and it looked like it was filled with a pool of and material, this material had run down the side. And that's a formation typical of things you see like in Hawaii, something I had not seen anywhere else on the Moon, nor have I seen a picture of it.
CC: Question number 9 for John and Charlie: At the tag end of EVA-3, you appeared to be having a high- Jump competition. Who won, and how high do you think you Jumped?
CDR: (Laughter) No, no, we weren't having a competition. We were Just shOWing you some of the things you m--_s could do with a 360-pound that only weighs 60 pounds, even slowed down, if you will, by the pressure suit. And I don't think anybody won; we were Just demonstrating what you could do with the suit.
CDR: I don't have any idea how we - -
CC: Question 10 - -
CDR: - - how high we Jumped. You'11 have to look at the TV. Maybe - maybe a foot or 2 feet.
LMP: It was too high for me.
CMP: They still get a picture?
CDR: Ask them if they got a picture.
LMP: You all got a picture, Hank?
CC: Could you explain the circumstances surrounding the failure of the lunar module ascent stage to deorbit?
CMP: (Laughter) A loaded one.
LMP: I think that has to be worked out when we've looked at all the data on the ground and discuss it with the flight controllers. At the present time, I have no idea.
CMP: Hank, could you verify that you still have a picture ?
CC: Question 11: To what extent - -
CMP: We've lost our monitor, and Just like to make sure there's nothing wrong with the camera.
CC: We have a good picture.
CC: Question 11: To what extent did fatigue affect your performance? For example, do you feel that you would have been capable of a full Y-hour EVA-3, lift-off, and I_ Jettison all in the same day? pushing
CDR: I think that'd been it a little.
CMP: That's a bad question.
CDR: We could have probably - -
CC: .. - -
CDR: We could probably have done it, but I think that'd really been pushing it.
CC: Question 12 for each of you: What do you hope to tell your grandchildren as your most memorable moment of your trip to the Moon?
LMP: Well, I'11 start with that one, Hank. I had two impressions. The - the first is the dazzling beauty of Descartes - the surface. It was Just one of the most awe-inspiring sights I've ever seen. And, secondly, on the EVA, when you look away from the Earth - or the Moon - it's Just the utter blackness of space. It really is black out there.
CDR: Time number 53 he's said that that. Go ahead, Ken.
CMP: Thanks. Well, I guess I'm next then. I - I thought of - I knew someone would ask that question, and I've been asking that question, too. And I don't think I can put down an impression. There's so many that we've cr,mmed in in the last 12 days. And it seems like each one comes on top of the other one, and the immediate response that you come up with is 'That's the most fantastic thing I've ever seen." In - in a lot of respects, it really is. There - there have been so many events and so many sights that, in my case, I'm going to have to sit and think about this one for a long time before I could ever pick out one, and then I'm not sure I'11 ever be able to say that there was a unique thing, or a most memorable event. The whole thing has been a - Just one series of very impres- sive, and I hate to use the word, but I don't know anything else except to say, "It's fantastic."
CDR: I think Ken's got the answer. I think we've seen as much in - in 10 days as most people see in 10 lifetimes. And we certainly have enjoyed it.
CC: Question 13: From an astronaut's point of view, would you discuss the possible operation - oper- ational difficulties, besides language, to be overcome in the proposed Joint U.S./U.S.S.R. manned space flight? And would you have any suggestions to m_ke?
CDR: (Laughter) From an astronaut's point of view, I'd - I would not feel qualified to discuss it, other than to say that if language is the problem, I'11 be glad to learn Russian. I think Charlie and Ken feel the same way.
CC: Question 14: Did the potassium in your diet affect the taste of the food, and did it cause any other problems?
CDR: That's a very good question, and I - I'm not sure we're qualified to - to say. We'11 have to get back and talk to everybody. I - I don't - I don't think it - I didn't notice it being in there as far as taste was concerned. And I don't think anybody else did.
CMP: No. Yeah. This is one of those things where you and have to wait take a look at - in our postflight medicals and see what they come up with as our body potassium because level, that's really the part that they're trying to work on, and I'm afraid the than guys on the ground have a lot more data we have on our physical condition, other than the fact that we know we feel good.
CDR: Yeah. I think - I think we've been very fortunate to do as much of the mission as we have, consider- ing - considering how much we got slowed down there. And I don't know whether potassium had anything to do with it or not, but if it did, I'm sure grateful that we were taking it.
CC: Question 15 for John: What did you mean when you said morale went up a couple of hundred percent after that successful TEI? Was it low? your
CMP: (Laughter) Was morale low before TEI?
CDR: (Laughter) Yes - No, not particularly. It's Just - it would sure be low if you didn't get off can the TEI burn, I tell you that.
CDR: What can you say to a question like that?
CMP: (Laughter) Yeah.
CC: Question 16 for each of you: Based on your experi- ence, do you have any recommendations right now for the crew of Apollo 177
CDR: Okay, I'11 handle it. Yeah. I recommend they enjoy it as much as we did. I'm sure they will, because, I tell you, we really have - we really have had a lot of sights to see. I'11 admit that, in a lot of cases, we worked hard, and - and I suppose the people on the ground were able to tell that. But we got all the support in the world from the MCC-Houston. I - I mean, I could tell, from every decision that came up from the ground, that - that there was a lot of work put into it. And all around the country that there were a lot of wheels turning and people working late hours and solving these problems. And I'm Just really happy that Ken, Charlie, and myself got to do this. And I think it's a wonderful experience.
CC: That was the last question, John. We thank you very much, and thank you for the kind comments.
CMP: Why don't you read ... - -
LMP: - - ... say the words?
CMP: Why don't you say - -
CDR: Well, let me just say one thing, Hank, and that is - Mr. Descartes said it. He said, "There's nothing so far removed from us as to be beyond olzr reach_ or so hidden that we cannot discover it." And you all know that Descartes was the French mathe- matician and philosopher for whom the region was named. And I guess, really, the story of our mission so far is we've been out testing his theory. My personal s_sessment of where we are right now, as soon as we get the rocks back in the LRL, we'11 be making headway toward proving he was right.
CC: Good show, John.
LMP: Okay. Hank, as the I,EB sinks slowly into the distance - -
CMP: Good show. Right on.
LMP: - - we'11 say good bye.
CMP: Right on. Beautiful.
CDR: Yeah, thank you.
LMP: Well, it wasn't bad.
CDR: Was your morale low before TEI?
CMP: That was a good answer: it sure - it sure would have been if they hadn't. (Laughter)
CDR: Oh, anyone who asks a question like that, there isn't an answer for.
CC: Okay. Hank, do you want S-BAND AUX back to SCI?
CDR: I knew - I knew those remarks about orange Juice were going to come back to haunt me.
UNKNOWN: Okay; you got it.
CC: Nice Job there, guys.
LMP: Was that the boss?
LMP: Okay. Camera coming down.
CMP: Okay; I don't put it up then, if you don't mind, again.
CDR: Put the Flight Plan back there.
CC: ... give us ACCEPT, ... new state vector.
LMP: They got it.
CMP: How come you're standing on your head?
CDR: Stable II again, eh?
LMP: Dang gummit.
CDR: Yeah, you're right; it is stable II again.
LMP: I don't remember you saying that, John, on hot mike.
CDR: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah!
CDR: ... I was on hot mike quite a bit.
CMP: It was on the - while we were sitting there coasting around waiting for a decision.
LMP: Oh, yeah.
CMP: And you were drinking the orange Juice, and John said something about that, and I thought, "Oh, shoot, I hope that isn't hot mike." That's why - I think I called and asked you, and you said something about you were on hot mike to me but not to the ground.
CMP: No. Most of the time, we were hot mike to the ground. We had DOWN VOICE BACKUP. Dadgum Fendell - BIOMED, OFF - He was trying to improve his circuit margin, so he was - -
CMP: Here, I got to wad that up in a small ball, so -
CMP: ... this?
CDR: Yeah, I'11 coil it when I get down there. I'11 see how big the hole is. That is, if I can find my way down there. Gee, I'm turned around. Here I am going back up in the tunnel again.
CMP: I may never get my equilibrium.
CDR: I don't know if that was the fairest estimate or not. That's my feeling on it. I think - with the complete EVA and going through LM Jett, would really be pushing it.
CMP: We - we ... did that.
LMP: That's basically what we did.
CC: Apollo 16, looks like we're getting some stratifi- cation in the H2 tanks. Would you take the H2 fans on for a minute and then back off again?
UNKNOWN: this is where the ... comes.
CDR: I don't like the idea of doing any of those evolutions.
CDR: In a - in a 24-hour day. That's dumb. TIME SKIP
CDR: Three filters.
CDR: Okay. And then it says, "The 70-millimeter m_g, Transfer LM from, three in a bag." three in a huh? bag. Okay, you got those, Tape cassette kit.
LMP: Where's that?
CMP: It's in here ...
LMP: Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know where that is.
CDR: Most of this stuff that we need to stow is in F-1 and F-2, I think.
CDR: Okay, we'11 - -
CDR: That's right. I think we're in a heap of trouble, myself (laughter).
CDR: Because I don't believe we're gonna make it through this list before reentry.
CDR: No. It isn't listed in section I. The tape cassette kit.
CDR: The tape recorder batteries, 11 in the bag?
LMP: Yeah, they're not in there. We looked.
LMP: Nothing in there but the 16s.
LMP: Well, they aren't in here, Ken.
CDR: What is it that rattles?
CDR: Yeah, it's in - I saw that - it's in R - it's up there in the corner in R -
CDR: That far one. Nab. Natl. Nab. That one with the - -
CDR: - -biostack in it.
CDR: And the next one is the inflight exerciser, and that's coming over to you.
CMP: That's the one?
CDR: Yeah. That's what it says.
CDR: Yeah. It's - it's on the way.
CDR: It says, "EMU maintenance kit."
CMP: It's here.
CDR: "Inflight exerciser," that's in there. 'Water - H 2 gas separators, two in a bag."
CDR: Okay. "Snag line in the bag with a strap," that's in there. "PGA interconnects, three in the bag."
CDR: Oh, shoot. ,6-E)I.fib EtTL
LMP: What are we looking for?
CDR: The interconnects. Three of them.
CDR: Sure don't see them in here, Ken.
CDR: Here's the interconnect bag.
CDR: Well, I'11 see. TIME SKIP
CDR: I don't know where that goes - section III, I guess.
CDR: Okay. "Urine filter assembly, three in a bag."
CDR: Well, I ain't gonna worry about our lousy filters. What difference does it make? They don't weigh 10 pounds. "Side of A-8 in a bag."
UNKNOWN: That's all in A-8?
CDR: Yeah. You know, they - they don't want anything in those things.
CDR: "Side of A-8 in bag." Ah. '_acuum hose - vacuum ',_rush."
LMP: No, don't we have the vacuum hose?
CDR: No, vacuum hose - vacuum brush, it says.
CDR: "Urine hose with adapters and two straps."
CMP: Side of A-87
LMP: Okay. Here - here you go.
CDR: "EVA guards; left, center, and right, with straps." They're in there. And the "Unipole - Unipod pole assembly" - -
LMP: Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
CMP: They're in .... The unipoles are here. The gu-.rds are here.
CDR: Okay. The vacuum brush is there?
CMP: No. Jettisoned.
LMP: We threw that away.
CDR: Okay. Jettisoned with the LM.
CMP: Okay. Now what?
CDR: Okay, A-9 - "Lunar sample in bag."
CMP: Nine - the samples in bag.
CDR: "B-l, 3-inch mapping camera mag."
CMP: Mag.
CDR: B-2 -
CMP: B-27
CMP: The 35-millimeter camera?
CDR: Yeah. You want to work - you want to work on - what do you want to work on? A-l?
CMP: Yeah. I ... A-1 there ... I think ...
CDR: Okay. A-l, "16-millimeter mags, seven in two bags."
LMP: Here's three.
CMP: Have you got some of those?
LMP: I've got the cam - I got GG on the camera.
CMP: Okay. I need 11.
CDR: What do you need 11 for? Okay, so we gonna miss one - one mag.
CMP: Is that all?
CMP: ... Okay, I have - I have ... millimeter ...
CDR: Okay. "70-millimeter mags, two" - -
CDR: It's really bad.
CDR: The what? Yeah. Wait a minute. I was Just looking back to the Flight Plan to see what we're supposed to be doing right now - 272:_6 ....
LMP: Yeah. Houston, 16.
CC: Go ahead, 16.
LMP: Pete, we're busy with this entry stowage. Could you keep us on the Flight Plan if something comes up?
LMP: Thank you. Okay. Go ahead, John.
CDR: There's - 16 millimeters.
LMP: We got that.
CDR: Okay. And then, "70-millimeter mags, two in the bag."
LMP: I got one with three.
CDR: There's two here.
LMP: Take three, then. Well, ain't th - this is all of them. This is the last magazines we got out.
CMP: ... three.
LMP: You want these or not?
LMP: Okay. Here you go.
CDR: Yeah. Three. Okay, the "Interval timer."
CDR: Over there on your - Here it is, right here.
LMP: Not any more, it's not.
CDR: Here you go, Ken.
CDR: What are we timing now?
LMP: Nah. I don't need it.
CDR: The "Voice recorder."
LMP: That's the tape recorder?
LMP: Let's see. That's up here in the -
CDR: Here you are. I got it.
CDR: "Remote control cable with - - TIME SKIP
LMP: That didn't come out of the LM.
CDR: Maybe they're up in U - -
CDR: - - maybe they're up in U-2.
LMP: No, they're down here, John. This other one right there, Ken. I think. Yeah. No, that's ours. No, wait a minute.
LMP: Yeah, but I don't -
CMP: Ones down here, I don't think are ...
LMP: Weren't they - weren't these over there ...?
CMP: Some of them were.
LMP: Okay, the thing looks sort of like - this might be it right here. I don't think it really matters; a PPK is a PPK. The trouble is the g_ who tied this tied it so dadgum tight.
CDR: Yeah, why not.
LMP: Okay, here's the flag kit.
LMP: Okay. And here's a PPK, and how - can you get this - load this one of mine - this was a pocket item of mine - will that go in there? If not, I'11 put it in my pocket. I'11 leave it up here in R-2. Huh? Yeah, okay.
CDR: Okay, you got 274, about, there, Pete.
CC: Okay, John. Thank you.
CDR: I - I'11 get it, Charlie.
LMP: "LM 16-millimeter camera." Here you go, and it's get bracket and everything. Lens - you want all that? It Just says the camera.
CDR: It Just says, "LM 16-millimeter camera."
LMP: Okay, that was up here in U - -
CDR: Where was the LM - all that other stuff at? In one of the U's?
LMP: Yeah, it was in U-2 back here.
CDR: Don't say nothing about the ...
CDR: Nothing in U-2 like that. That's where it was.
LMP: I got it out. Okay, "Contamination and- contamination photo equipment."
CDR: The DSEA - where is that? The DS - -
LMP: It's in the ISA, I think, John. We'11 just leave it there.
CDR: Okay, so we've got the rest of this. Yeah.
LMP: No, no, I'm doing that talking.
CDR: On top of A-1 goes the lunar sample in decon bag.
CDR: Yep. I'm sorry, you're through. I tell you, they don't want nothing in those lower compartments. I think they float the spacecraft or something, I don't know what.
CDR: It doesn't even say which sample is in the decon bag, that's what gets me.
LMP: It's the one - it's on the decon bag, John. It says stow on top of A-9. It's the -
CMP: ... whole bunch of them ...
CDR: A-77
LMP: ... Well, that wasn't what they said when I sent them across.
CMP: Plus-Y.
CDR: Plus-Y.
CMP: ... Okay, ... out.
CDR: I think that goes somewhere like A-9 or something.
CMP: ... this thing ...
CMP: ... bag ... middle of the floor ...
LMP: There's one up here you can reach, Ken.
CMP: Here's one right here you can reach.
CMP: ... bag ...
LMP: Yeah, I know it. This one barely - barely sticks out. Well, I can hook it on the side - I can hook it on the side - there - there we go.
LMP: I'11 get it loose. Okay. Huh? Oh, excuse me. I thought you meant you had the wrong bag. Okay.
LMP: Ken, those two PPKs you tqok out of A-7 - can we put these two that were in U-1 back in there? The ones that were in U-1.
CMP: ... I don't know, Charlie, ... I wouldn't think so.
CMP: Want to put them down here before I close this up?
LMP: Do you have room in A-7 - I mean in A-1 for these?
LMP: Oh, that's okay, we'11 Just leave them in U-1.
CDR: That's right, that's ...
CDR: I sure didn't see you. You want a flashlight, Ken?
CDR: Do you want to see it, in other words.
CDR: Shine in your face.
CDR: I can't think of any.
LMP: I'm gonna take this cabin fan filter off, okay?
CDR: I'11 Just pull it reasonably tight.
LMP: Is that okay, you guys?
CMP: ..., Charlie, ...
LMP: Okay. Well, I was Just trying to help. It should be stowed in U-2.
CMP: ..., got a bag to put it in ... take it down ...
LMP: I have a bag right here.
CMP: Oh, okay. ' : Ai_
CDR: Okay. Want to go up to - what do you want to start on next? A-27 Okay. '_PK_, two, and flag kit, one."
CDR: Two of them and a flag kit.
CDR: That's what it says. It's been written in here.
LMP: This ORDEAL, where does it stow, John? It goes down on the bottom, it doesn't go in U-1 ...
CDR: The FCS.
CDR: Okay. That's trash. That's in the trash bag?
CDR: "Tissue dispenser, four."
CDR: Okay. Tiedown rope bag?
LMP: It's in the cockpit up here. Don't we want to leave that out?
CDR: Yeah. The heel restraint bag?
CDR: Okay. PPK, two, and flag kit, one, is all that is
CDR: Okay; ISA on top of A-2. ISA and decon bag.
CDR: Yeah, I believe it is one of the biggest.
CDR: It says - it should say on there, doesn't it?
CDR: Well, Ken, it always did back in the old days, I -
LMP: It doesn't say - no - it didn't - Well, we went through that the other night. It ain't worth it again.
LMP: Oh, you - John?
LMP: Put your seat pin up.
CDR: I was reading those others ... - -
LMP: Yeah, okay.