# Facilitating Online/Meetings/FO08-Second Life

No audio recording. Below is the chat log from the meeting in Second Life:
[0:30] Al Lurton is Online
[0:30] jokay Wollongong is Online
[0:30] Johnnie Wendt is Online
[0:31] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[0:31] Connected
[0:31] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Koru/156/125/27
[0:31] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[0:31] Connected
[0:31] You: still rezing...
[0:32] You: sweet!
[0:33] jokay Wollongong: probly havent got time to explore now.. but grab a landmark.. im quite impressed ;)
[0:33] jokay Wollongong: From a tech perspective tho..
[0:33] You: obsolutely
[0:33] jokay Wollongong: interesting that it's very trendy right now to build at 600m in the air.. and have total control over the enviro
[0:33] You: it looks very interesting
[0:33] jokay Wollongong: if you zoom right right out...
[0:34] jokay Wollongong: We are up in the sky in inside some huge prims
[0:34] Orwell Sorbet is Online
[0:34] jokay Wollongong: hence the texture overload ;)
[0:34] You: with birds eye perspective?
[0:34] jokay Wollongong: Yeah.. you might need to disable your camera constraints..
[0:34] jokay Wollongong: Do you have your advanced menu up top?
[0:34] You: I see!
[0:35] You: its underground
[0:35] jokay Wollongong: Nah.. it's waaaay up in the sky..
[0:35] You: eh
[0:35] jokay Wollongong: but eh enviro the deisgn has built makes it feel underground..
[0:35] jokay Wollongong: Hit CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-D
[0:35] jokay Wollongong: That will bring up the advanced menu at the top of your screen..
[0:35] jokay Wollongong: Go in there..
[0:35] jokay Wollongong: and choose 'Disable Camera Constraints'
[0:35] jokay Wollongong: Then..
[0:36] jokay Wollongong: Zoom waaaaaaaaaay out..
[0:36] jokay Wollongong: either with your mousewheel..
[0:36] jokay Wollongong: or Alt-down arrow
[0:37] You: yep.. its pretty creative
[0:37] You: I wish that van goh one was still around
[0:37] jokay Wollongong: me too!
[0:37] You: need to collect up LM of these uba creative spaces
[0:37] jokay Wollongong: Hi stabitha ;)
[0:37] You: like Svarga
[0:37] You: etc
[0:37] jokay Wollongong: Yeah.. im working on a listing
[0:37] Stabitha Braveheart: hi
[0:37] jokay Wollongong: some new resources coming out soon
[0:37] You: cool
[0:38] jokay Wollongong: Anyway.. we should go check voice over on jokaydia ;)
[0:38] jokay Wollongong: gimme 2 mins for a coffee refill and i'll meetya there ;)
[0:38] You: ok
[0:38] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Garden%20of%20dreams/109/134/696
[0:38] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[0:38] Connected
[0:41] jokay Wollongong is Offline
[0:46] Orwell Sorbet is Offline
[0:55] Lucida Skytower: Hi Leroy/Leigh! :-)
[0:55] You: Hi Lucinda
[0:55] You: yep
[0:55] Lucida Skytower: :-)
[0:55] You: so.. um
[0:55] You: who are you?
[0:55] You: let me check the wiki
[0:56] Lucida Skytower: sorry, I changed my avatar - I'm Pipi Tinlegs, aka Amy Lenzo
[0:56] You: Oh g'day
[0:56] Lucida Skytower: do you prefer to use voice? Or written chat?
[0:56] You: one of the things I really don't like about SL is the split personality it forces on me
[0:56] jokay Wollongong is Online
[0:57] You: oh voice
[0:57] You: if it works
[0:57] Lucida Skytower: I know what you mean :-)
[1:08] Lucida Skytower: www.beautydialogues.com
[1:09] jokay Wollongong: HI Al! ;)
[1:09] jokay Wollongong: are you voicing ;)
[1:09] jokay Wollongong: or txting>? ;)
[1:10] You: Amy/Lucida = World Cafe
[1:10] You: (I'll take some notes
[1:11] You: for others who couldn't be here)
[1:11] Lucida Skytower: thanks Leroy!
[1:11] You: Conversation about how we build a sense of shared ownership in Second Life projects
[1:12] You: Jo reflecting on how much work it can become when you are central to a project
[1:12] You: And there is a noticable "inner and outer circle" in the Jokaydia community
[1:13] You: Jokaydia (or Jo Kay) has been developing educational SL community for at least 3 years now
[1:14] You: Jo organises events in Jokaydia to stimulate the Jokaydia project
[1:14] You: such as mini conference, member exhibitions, and web sites that relate to Jokaydia
[1:15] You: Building information structures around the community
[1:15] Johnnie Wendt is Offline
[1:15] You: Facebook groups
[1:15] You: etc
[1:15] You: Flickr image tags
[1:16] You: Discussion about the "JoKaydia" brand
[1:17] You: and the positive and negative impacts on that shared ownership objective
[1:17] You: Jo believes that people in the community do have a sense of ownership (and brand loyalty) to Jokaydia
[1:18] You: Amy asks about the exhibitions
[1:18] You: Jo says it was part of the idea to focus on things more outside EDUCATION
[1:18] You: and diversify interests
[1:18] You: 2 art exhibitions at the moment
[1:18] You: an immersive space
[1:19] You: and an exhibition from the Australian Environment organisation
[1:19] You: there is a 3rd exhibition (jo just remembers)
[1:20] You: Konrad Glokowski's photo exhibition from his work exchange in Kenya
[1:20] You: so that's a connection of art and education
[1:20] You: basically Jokaydia tries to draw interesting things and people into the space
[1:21] You: that stimulate interest
[1:21] You: talk about the "Virtual Classroom Project"
[1:22] You: they are trying to attract a girl to the project this time
[1:22] You: Jokaydians are also working on a project in Teen Second Life
[1:22] You: a restricted space for school children
[1:23] You: also exploring Open Sim
[1:23] You: that can be set up on a local network
[1:23] You: such as IN a school
[1:24] You: Al (with us in teh meeting) works on Quest Atlantus - another virtual world
[1:24] You: a safe and secure space for 9 - 12 year olds
[1:24] You: and is internationally networked
[1:24] You: :)
[1:25] You: Jo mentions Bron Stucky uses Quest Atlantus
[1:27] You: Leigh asks Al for coments about Jo's objective for a shared community
[1:27] You: Al says such a community should be diverse
[1:27] You: so the idea of broadening scope outside educational topics is good for bringing in a wider range of people
[1:28] You: and the opportunity to build members sense of space - such as opportunities for members to build
[1:29] You: Jo observes a transition in the community from "what is Second Life" focus to...
[1:29] You: "what things can we do with SL"
[1:29] You: Al says:
[1:30] Johnnie Wendt is Online
[1:30] You: A lot of people drop their real life identity into SL, rather than exploring or extend alternative identies
[1:30] Je4ss Voom: boo!
[1:30] You: jo responds
[1:31] You: Je4ss joins
[1:31] You: Hi jess
[1:31] You: we are on voice
[1:31] Je4ss Voom: hi all ")
[1:31] Je4ss Voom: i will set up my headphones
[1:31] You: ok
[1:31] Al Lurton: hi Je4ss
[1:31] You: I'm taking notes
[1:32] Je4ss Voom: 'forget' to do? isn't exploration of self happening all the time? - external world whether FL or SL is always reflection of what is within
[1:34] You: discussion about identity
[1:34] You: some (many) prefer to explore alternative identity
[1:34] jokay Wollongong: Oooo.. hard!
[1:34] You: Amy / Lucida says she is using a new "alt" avatar
[1:34] You: and enjoys thinking about the range of new identies we can play with
[1:36] You: Jo says that the use of "alts" alternative avatars...
[1:36] You: is very useful for winning acceptance to other communities
[1:36] You: in SL
[1:36] You: But jo feels very disconnected from those alts
[1:37] You: Jo has a good friend in SL
[1:37] You: who explores cross gender in SL
[1:37] You: and observes that real life gender has no bearing on their SL relationship
[1:38] You: but Jo thinks there would be a tension if they met in real life
[1:39] You: Al agrees that having an alt to explore other communities is very useful
[1:39] You: and enlightening
[1:40] You: and perhaps a useful experience for children (in terms of Al thinking as an educator)
[1:40] You: Jo mentions the community shared tour
[1:40] You: where each member brings at least one land mark of some where in second life
[1:40] You: and the group go around together
[1:40] Je4ss Voom: can we do that now? :)
[1:41] You: good idea Je4ss
[1:41] You: so we all friending
[1:41] Je4ss Voom: how does one share a landmark?
[1:41] You: drag and drop Je4ss
[1:41] Je4ss Voom is Online
[1:41] Je4ss Voom: 'the' group?
[1:41] Je4ss Voom is Online
[1:42] Je4ss Voom: hello!
[1:42] Je4ss Voom: trying to get voice working
[1:42] You: no mic Jess?
[1:42] You: oh ok
[1:42] Je4ss Voom: am not quite used to using it yet so am a bit shy
[1:42] Al Lurton: ah Tassie?
[1:42] Je4ss Voom: i am already a member
[1:43] Je4ss Voom: /waves
[1:43] You: Leigh asks how has chat vs voice impacted on communication in SL
[1:43] Je4ss Voom: i am much more used to typing
[1:43] Je4ss Voom: used irc since age 5 or something :)
[1:43] You: jo thinks that voice had a positive impact for many people
[1:43] You: but there are a lot of people who still prefer text
[1:44] You: voice comes second though - Leigh thinks
[1:45] You: working with chat text first is a good way to start
[1:45] You: because we know everyone gets it
[1:45] You: voice doesn't work for some
[1:45] Je4ss Voom: not me, i dont have a life
[1:45] Je4ss Voom: i just sit in a dark room and eat pizza that gets shoved under the door
[1:45] Je4ss Voom: and grow mould
[1:45] You: Al, adds that some people are not in a quiet enough space to be able to use a mic for voice
[1:46] Je4ss Voom: leroy, why are you typing what's being said?
[1:46] You: and Al (and Leigh) have felt excluded when voice is used without any text transcript
[1:46] You: notes for those who couldn't be here
[1:46] Je4ss Voom: ah! good on you
[1:47] Je4ss Voom: some could fly
[1:47] Je4ss Voom: hover about
[1:47] You: Voice can add technical problems too
[1:47] You: some people give feedback
[1:48] You: others come through too soft of loud
[1:48] You: and many people using voice can put a big load on SL servers
[1:48] You: Jo has used Skype voice as a backup
[1:49] You: Amy says World Cafe uses small group IM that come together later
[1:50] You: QUT Dekka
[1:50] You: Terra Incognita
[1:50] You: Island in SL
[1:51] You: and has group chat features
[1:52] You: Amy says its good to use support people - one per small group
[1:52] jokay Wollongong: Terra incognita
[1:52] jokay Wollongong: Decka's Decks
[1:52] jokay Wollongong: Decka Mah
[1:53] Je4ss Voom: i had to get chocolate
[1:53] Je4ss Voom: are we teleporting about?
[1:53] You: not yet
[1:53] Al Lurton: i cant hear sorry
[1:54] jokay Wollongong: oh soory al...
[1:54] jokay Wollongong: do you wanna head for the pub..
[1:54] jokay Wollongong: and i'll send everyone to you ;)
[1:54] Al Lurton: k .. want tps?
[1:54] Je4ss Voom: sorree
[1:54] Je4ss Voom: :/
[1:54] jokay Wollongong: Al... we'll go see the blue day art ;)
[1:55] jokay Wollongong gave you Bar jokaydia!, jokaydia III (94, 218, 21).
[1:55] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/jokaydia/176/81/24
[1:55] Je4ss Voom: hello al
[1:56] Je4ss Voom: what was the mrow?
[1:58] Je4ss Voom: where do the words on the dome come from?
[1:58] You: looking at posters and art about "Beyond Blue" = Anxiety and Depression works and information
[1:59] You: there's a trampoline!
[1:59] OCEAN OF TEARS owned by Dave Koi gave you 'dkart - art for my sake - Art by Dave Koi' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife /jokaydia%20III/108/185/23 ).
[2:00] OCEAN OF TEARS owned by Dave Koi gave you 'About this work' ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/jokaydia%20III/108/185/23 ).
[2:00] Je4ss Voom: WHAT FUN!
[2:01] Je4ss Voom: the trampoline is great
[2:01] You: art with a therapy perspective
[2:02] You: the ability to play and create in Second Life
[2:02] Je4ss Voom: when i first came onto jokaydia i thought it was just for teachers and educators - but then you did the blueday thing so that makes me think what jokaydia is about is BIGGER - how would you describe what jokaydia IS FOR in a few words?
[2:03] Lucida Skytower is Online
[2:03] Je4ss Voom: you didnt answer my question that i typed jo :-(
[2:06] Je4ss Voom: i am excited about how philosophy fits into this
[2:06] Je4ss Voom: learning, questioning - central to what it means to be human
[2:06] jokay Wollongong: hehee.. i dunno whether i can do a few words jess.. i talk too much..LOL
[2:07] Je4ss Voom: i got the instructions for the disc
[2:07] Skipping Disc whispers: this item does not belong to you.
[2:07] Je4ss Voom: and it told me to click on the disc and i would get my own
[2:07] You: Jo says sipping and dancing are great fun in SL
[2:07] Je4ss Voom: but i didnt it told me the object was not mine
[2:07] Skipping Disc whispers: this item does not belong to you.
[2:07] Al Lurton: look in recent items or type'skip' in inventory :)
[2:08] You: Jo notes that such things are important for community bonding / development
[2:08] Je4ss Voom: how do i get a skipping disc thingy
[2:08] Skipping Disc whispers: this item does not belong to you.
[2:09] Emerald speed blue: Sorry, You are not authorized to drive this boat
[2:10] Isa Goodman is Online
[2:12] jokay Wollongong gave you Safety Dance.
[2:12] Al Lurton gave you Skip.
[2:14] You: conversation about gestures - which are a bit like emoticons like smiley faces etc - but gestures are animatied in SL and a lot greater range
[2:16] Al Lurton: Let's skip!
[2:16] Je4ss Voom: /fruitsalad
[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!
[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!
[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!
[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!
[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Yaaaaaaay.... yay...
[2:16] Al Lurton: thats an gesture set .. I typed in Let's skip! and it said 'Let's Skip' depends what you want to create
[2:17] You: ..:: Gidday Darlin' - How are ya? ::..
[2:17] Al Lurton: Let's skip!
[2:17] Je4ss Voom: /yay
[2:17] Al Lurton: Gday Mate!
[2:17] Je4ss Voom: /yay
[2:17] You: /gd
[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Yaaaaaaay.... yay...
[2:17] Al Lurton: well done
[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!
[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!
[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!
[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!
[2:17] Al Lurton: Let's skip!
[2:18] Je4ss Voom: Hey!
[2:18] Al Lurton: yeah I sent it twice
[2:18] You: ..:: Gidday Darlin' - How are ya? ::..
[2:18] Al Lurton: yay skip Lucinda
[2:18] Al Lurton: Gday Mate!
[2:18] You: lol
[2:18] Al Lurton: Let's skip!
[2:19] Al Lurton: Let's skip!
[2:19] You: WHOA!!!! <:o
[2:19] You: HEY!!! >:(
[2:19] You: DON'T TOUCH ME!!! >:/
[2:19] DebZee Miklos is Online
[2:21] jokay Wollongong: hey slammed.. can you heaar me??...LOL
[2:21] slammed Aabye: phone
[2:21] Al Lurton: Let's skip!
[2:22] You: ..:: Gidday Darlin' - How are ya? ::..
[2:22] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!
[2:22] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!
[2:22] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!
[2:22] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!
[2:22] CiderJack Applemoor is Online
[2:23] Je4ss Voom: Yaaaaaaay.... yay...
[2:24] Je4ss Voom: maybe you need a new jobs
[2:25] Je4ss Voom: the fruit salad will be being sold in a shop soon, will let u know
[2:25] Je4ss Voom: slammed, whats your slight accent?
[2:27] You: /who
[2:27] Je4ss Voom: slammed, what is your accent?
[2:27] Al Lurton: It's Jokaydian Jess
[2:28] Je4ss Voom: :-D
[2:28] You: 19 hrs per day just become 24
[2:28] Al Lurton: cool
[2:29] Briarmelle Quintessa is Online
[2:30] Al Lurton: not litterers?
[2:30] Je4ss Voom: damn furrys >:(
[2:33] slammed Aabye: Wow!
[2:33] Je4ss Voom: if people want the fruit salad, look for the other two green dots in jokaydia
[2:33] Al Lurton is Offline
[2:33] Je4ss Voom: altair is in the sandbox you can go ans ask him for it
[2:33] slammed Aabye: Wow!
[2:33] slammed Aabye: LAG LAG LAG
[2:33] slammed Aabye: LAG LAG LAG
[2:33] slammed Aabye: Wow!
[2:33] slammed Aabye: Tits were UNBLEVABLE
[2:33] slammed Aabye: Ah man I love titties
[2:34] Je4ss Voom: like a bag of sand
[2:34] Je4ss Voom: show! show!
[2:34] Je4ss Voom: leroy please
[2:34] Je4ss Voom: leroy can you show us some?
[2:34] You: Just Who do u Think YOU Are!
[2:35] Je4ss Voom: yay!
[2:35] Al Lurton is Online
[2:36] Je4ss Voom: "pontificate" - that word sounds dirty
[2:37] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/jokaydia%20III/110/196/22
[2:37] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[2:37] Connected
[2:37] Al Lurton: soory .. batt too low hibernated ... crashed .. I'm texting in quiet room now :)
[2:39] Al Lurton: beautiful in here
[2:40] jokay Wollongong: Amazing isnt it Al
[2:41] Je4ss Voom: its sooo cute
[2:42] Al Lurton: the shades and tones .. use of light
[2:42] Al Lurton: yes cinema!!!!!
[2:44] Je4ss Voom: out of interest, does anyone know where i can get a crop circle?
[2:45] Al Lurton: there are a number of banned residents
[2:48] syota Sawson shouts: ぐっさん〜
[2:50] Al Lurton: i was on the steps talking crop circles with Jess lol
[2:51] Al Lurton: my glasses can see so many people around here .. but I dont
[2:53] Je4ss Voom: thanks i got lots
[2:53] Je4ss Voom: lost*
[2:53] Star Champagne Bucket Gold (Sculpted): Sparkling champagne makes any day a special occasion, Al Lurton !
[2:54] Je4ss Voom: hehehhe
[2:55] Al Lurton: I ncam across a room that was being used in avery private way just now
[2:55] Al Lurton: I was embarrassed *giggle*
[2:56] Al Lurton: there are private parts around here
[2:57] Al Lurton: how long did it take you to realise that you were there looking for 5 minutes!!!????/
[2:58] Isa Goodman is Offline
[2:58] Al Lurton: om gosh how did that happen?
[2:58] Al Lurton: snuggling
[2:58] Al Lurton: think of it like trampolining or skipping
[3:02] Al Lurton: I'm always in world lol
[3:03] Je4ss Voom: hey al!
[3:04] Je4ss Voom: have you got voice?