# The Dialogues of Plato (Jowett)/Phaedrus

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PHAEDRUS.
PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE.
| Socrates. | Phaedrus. |
Scene:—Under a plane-tree, by the banks of the Ilissus.
SOCRATES. My dear Phaedrus, whence come you, and whither are you going?
Phaedrus. I have come from Lysias the son of Cephalus, and I am going to take a walk outside the wall, for I have been sitting with him the whole morning ; and our common friend Acumenus tells me that it is much more refreshing to walk in the open air than to be shut up in a cloister.
Soc. There he is right. Lysias then, I suppose, was in the town ?
Phaedr. Yes, he was staying with Epicrates, here at the house of Morychus ; that house which is near the temple of Olympian Zeus.
Soc. And how did he entertain you ? Can I be wrong in supposing that Lysias gave you a feast of discourse ? Phaedr. You shall hear, if you can spare time to accom- pany me.
Soc. And should I not deem the conversation of you and Lysias 'a thing of higher import,' as I may say in the words of Pindar, ' than any business ' ?
Phaedr. Will you go on ?
Soc. And will you go on with the narration ?
The theme of Lysias was a paradox about love. Phaedr. My tale, Socrates, is one of your sort, for love was the theme which occupied us—love after a fashion: Lysias has been writing about a fair youth who was being tempted, but not by a lover; and this was the point: he ​
Phaedrus. Socrates, Phaedrus. ingeniously proved that the non-lover should be accepted rather than the lover.
Soc. O that is noble of him! I wish that he would say the poor man rather than the rich, and the old man rather than the young one; — then he would meet the case of me and of many a man ; his words would be quite refreshing, and he would be a public benefactor. For my part, I do so long to hear his speech, that if j'ou walk all the way to Megara, and when you have reached the wall come back, as Herodicus recommends, without going in, I will keep you company.
Phaedr. What do you mean, my good Socrates ? How can you imagine that my unpractised memory can do justice $^{228}$ to an elaborate work, which the greatest rhetorician of the age spent a long time in composing. Indeed, I cannot; I would give a great deal if I could.
The ways of Phaedrus are well known to Socrates, Soc. I believe that I know Phaedrus about as well as I know myself, and I am very sure that the speech of Lysias was repeated to him, not once only, but again and again ; — he insisted on hearing it many times over and Lysias was very willing to gratify him ; at last, when nothing else would do, he got hold of the book, and looked at what he most wanted to see, — this occupied him during the whole morning; — and then when he was tired with sitting, he went out to take a walk, not until, by the dog, as I believe, he had simply learned by heart the entire discourse, unless it was un- usually long, and he went to a place outside the wall that he might practise his lesson. There he saw a certain lover of discourse who had a similar weakness; — he saw and re- joiced ; now thought he, ' I shall have a partner in my revels.' And he invited him to come and walk with him. But when the lover of discourse begged that he would repeat the tale, he gave himself airs and said, ' No I cannot,' as if he were indisposed ; although, if the hearer had refused, he would sooner or later have been compelled by him to listen whether he would or no. Therefore, Phaedrus, bid him do at once what he will soon do whether bidden or not.
Phaedr. I see that you will not let me off until I speak in some fashion or other ; verily therefore my best plan is to speak as I best can.
Soc. A very true remark, that of yours.
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