# Sall Grover

Sall Grover (born 1984) is an Australian businesswoman who founded Giggle for Girls, a social media app as a safe space for biological women (like Women's refuges) who have suffered abuse from men and for more more frivolous reasons. Grover, and her app, were the subject of a legal challenge for its policy of excluding transgender women. Earlier, Grover worked in the film industry in the United States and Australia as a production assistant and as a screenwriter.

## Quotes
### 2022–2023

* Not everyone’s gender identity matches the reproductive organs they were born with therefore you have been reclassified as a birthing person rather than a mother. Now are you ready to try chest feeding?
** Tweet, as cited in "Flat White Bill Shorten is right about mothers", The Spectator Australia (2 July 2022)
* It's terrifying and I've had to navigate it all through nine months of ­pregnancy. I created a social network for women, myself included, where we can relax on the ­internet away from death threats and toxic male behaviour.
* We wanted to do equity crowd funding, which would allow women to have ownership in a start-up and have investment in the financial world. No equity crowd funding company would work with us, saying the trans issue was like an open wound.
** From an interview, as cited by "Challenge to women-only app Giggle was no laughing matter", The Australian (Weekend Australian Magazine, 9 July 2022)
* It's always been you can't discriminate against anyone except when you can … (because it is) for a positive reason for that group. Female only spaces have existed for such a long time and there has been no controversy in it.
* My goal is not to strip anyone of their rights. My goal is to make everybody's rights clear. If we can get clarity on this hopefully it will stop the fighting between women and trans activists. Let's try and find positives to move forward.
** Cited by Angelica Snowden "‘Stop the fighting’ between trans activists and women: CEO says as legal deadline looms", The Australian (6 March 2023)
* [Giggle was intended to be] a little corner of the Internet where women from all over the world could have a refuge away from men. It could be for serious reasons, very superficial reasons, or very practical reasons. It would be a place without harassment, 'mansplaining', 'dick pics', stalking, and aggression, and other male patterned online behaviour. A place to vent and get advice from other women and find out what was happening in the real world in a female-only environment.
** Extract from affidavit from this period, as cited in Amy Hamm "Australian judge enforces gender identity like it's the state religion", National Post (Toronto, 28 August 2024)

### 2024–present

* [N]ever in my wildest nightmare did I think there was anyone saying men are actually women if they just say it.
* [W]hat's the point of even having a category of woman in law if it's not defined as 'biological adult human female' if it's just a category any man can become. [...] It's meaningless.
** Interviewed on Sky News Australia (8 April 2024), as cited in "'Never in my wildest nightmare': Sall Grover says she will appeal to the High Court if she loses transgender discrimination case", Sky News Australia (8 April 2024)
* I don’t think it's kind to expect a woman to see a man as a woman.
** Under cross-examination during Tickle v Giggle (10 April 2024), as cited in Joanna Panagopoulos "No transition from gender reality, app boss Sall Grover tells court", The Australian (10 April 2024)
** On the accusation Roxanne Tickle had suffered "hurt" by being referred to as a man by Sall Grover in interviews discussing the case.
* [From a series of posts on X/Twitter] I'm being taken to federal court by a man who claims to be a woman because he wants to use a woman-only space I created. [...] There isn't a woman in the world who'd have to take me to court to use this woman only space. It takes a man for this case to exist.
* [Statement in court ] I wanted to create a safe, women-only space in the palm of your hand. [...] It is a legal fiction that Tickle is a woman. His birth certificate has been altered from male to female, but he is a biological man, and always will be. We are taking a stand for the safety of all women’s only spaces, but also for basic reality and truth, which the law should reflect.
** As cited in Sofia Bettiza "Australian court rules in landmark case that asked 'what is a woman?'", BBC News (23 August 2024)
** At the Federal Court of Australiaon 23 August 2024 in Tickle v Giggle, Justice Robert Bromwich ruled that a transwoman, Roxanne Tickle, had faced "indirect gender identity discrimination" under amendments to the Sex Discrimination Act and that "sex is changeable". The court ordered Grover to pay A$10,000 to Tickle in damages, plus legal costs.
* Unfortunately, we got the judgement we anticipated. The fight for women's rights continues.
** Post on X/Twitter (23 August 2024), as cited in "Australian transgender woman wins landmark case against female-only app", Reuters (23 August 2024)

## About Grover

* If Tickle wins, it will establish that males have a legal right, not just to the female sex category, but to all female spaces, including hospital wards, sports facilities, domestic violence refuges, rape crisis centres, and prisons.
** Julie Bindel "Does Australia know what a woman is?", The Spectator (UK, 9 April 2024)
* Sex is discriminatory, it always has been and always will be ... biological sex must prevail
** Bridie Nolan, barrister for Giggle and Grover (9 April 2024), as cited in Daisy Dumas "Tickle v Giggle: transgender woman sues female-only 'online refuge' for alleged discrimination in landmark case", The Guardian (9 April 2024)
* [A] small group of people have taken it upon themselves to declare that I am not who I know I am, and they have set about making my life miserable. This case, and the unlawful and discriminatory exclusion from the Giggle app, has stolen the last three years of my life.
** Roxanne Tickle after the court decision, as cited in "'Stolen years of my life': Roxanne Tickle speaks after landmark 'what is a woman' case win", SBS News/Australian AP (23 August 2024). Tickle wrote about her love of women's hockey for the SBS News website in April 2022.
* While there are a number of trans-only apps and straight women don't demand access to, say, the gay dating app Grindr, activists want Giggle removed from the Apple platform. They claim its software reads black women's faces as male. Grover says her users are women of all races from 88 countries and this is a vicious slur. Their true motivation is her female-only policy. It enrages a movement whose idea of activism is getting domestic violence refuges defunded for remaining single-sex; which can’t abide women having one damn thing.
** Janice Turner "Meat Loaf debate didn’t lead to a spat out of hell: Safe spaces", The Times (UK, 26 January 2022)