# Keluar Sekejap

Keluar Sekejap (alternatively referred by its initials KS) is a weekly Malaysian political podcast hosted by two Malaysian politicians Khairy Jamaluddin and Shahril Hamdan. It launched its pilot episode on March 1, 2023, and officially its first episode on March 7, 2023, on YouTube and Spotify. Keluar Sekejap has consistently been ranked as one of Malaysia's most popular podcasts and has influenced the trend of political podcasting in the country and the Southeast Asian region. The podcast has been available on various platforms such as YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts with highlights uploaded onto their main Instagram, Facebook, TikTok and Twitter page.

## Background

Keluar Sekejap initially started due to KJ and Shahril's dismissal from the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO) and was inspired from the British podcast The Rest is Politics hosted by Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart, who were also both expelled from their parties. KJ and Shahril's expulsion started due to their open criticism towards the sitting president Ahmad Zahid Hamidi. KJ, who was the former UMNO Youth Chief wanted to compete for the presidential post for the 2023 United Malays National Organisation leadership election, but then was denied and sacked before the party election took place allegedely due to sabotaging the party during GE-15. Shahril was also dismissed for 6 years but was not entirely sacked from the party.
The podcast regularly receives six figure views per episode whilst including various notable Malaysian politicians such as the Menteri Besar of Kedah Muhammad Sanusi Md Nor, Menteri Besar of Selangor Amirudin Shari, former Senior Minister of Malaysia Azmin Ali, President of the Dewan Negara Wan Junaidi Tuanku Jaafar, Member of Parliament for Muar Syed Saddiq, and 4th and 7th Prime Minister of Malaysia Mahathir Mohamad.

### Khairy Jamaluddin

Khairy Jamaluddin Abu Bakar or more commonly known as KJ is one of two co-founders and regular co-hosts of Keluar Sekejap. An Oxford graduate in philosophy, politics and economics who had a stint in journaling for The Economist, KJ acts as the main host of the podcast, notably as the main persona of the show where he often exerts his main views on Malaysian politics, government policies, economics, and current affairs. Prior in creating the podcast, KJ was the former Malaysian Minister of Health and the Member of Parliament for Rembau where he was in charge of spearheading the country out of the COVID-19 pandemic. KJ's dismissal from Malaysia's Grand Old Party was one of the core reasons on creating Keluar Sekejap where he stated that he wanted to stay politically relevant despite being sacked by the party.

### Shahril Hamdan

Shahril Sufian Hamdan, co-founder and co-host, who is also an UMNO exile was the former economic advisor to the 9th Prime Minister of Malaysia, Ismail Sabri Yaakob. Shahril studied economics at Manchester, and sociology at the London School of Economics where he was a Chevening Scholar. He has held various high positions in UMNO where he was the former Vice Youth Chief and Information Chief of the party. Shahril's rise in politics was attributed to his close connection with KJ, where they share similar views and ideology within the party. Before the 2023 United Malays National Organisation leadership election, Shahril's membership as an UMNO member was terminated for 6 years which corelated to his ambition in creating Keluar Sekejap with KJ.

## Content

Since its release, the podcast has known to criticize both the Malaysian government led by Anwar Ibrahim and the opposition coalition Perikatan Nasional (PN) on various issues and views. Both KJ and Shahril share centrist and moderate ideals for Malaysia, where they often reject ultraconservative sentiments from the opposition and populist agendas by the government.

### PH-BN government

KJ and Shahril has shared mixed views toward the Anwar Ibrahim cabinet, rarely praising them for their policies involving the economy, foreign policy and governance, but oftentimes criticizing them for their lack of commitment in political reform involving combating corruption. KJ acknowledges the challenges of the current PH-BN government to enforce structural reforms, but believes that the government has not done enough critical or substantial effort.
The podcast often criticizes and condemns the current state of UMNO which is led by its president, Ahmad Zahid Hamidi. Both KJ and Shahril is known to share contradictory opinions with Zahid, where KJ had competed against and lost to Zahid for the presidential post back in the 2018 United Malays National Organisation leadership election.

### Perikatan Nasional

In the podcast, both KJ and Shahril had shown more support towards the opposition compared to the PH-BN government. During the 2023 Malaysian state elections, KJ had declared his support towards several PN candidates, where he even went to campaign and assist several of them during election season whilst Shahril remain apolitical. Despite the support, KJ and Shahril had both criticized PN's political rhetoric on abusing racial and religious sentiments in attracting rural and conservative Malay voters. In an episode with the Member of Parliament for Machang Wan Ahmad Fayhsal Wan Ahmad Kamal, KJ and Shahril had expressed their disapproval towards Wan Fayhsal's racial comments towards the Democratic Action Party (DAP).

## Special guests

KS often hosts special guests, typically Malaysian politicians from across all lines who are within the current political scene. The following guests have been interviewed on the podcasts' special episodes:

### 2023

| No. | Guest(s) | Running time | Original release date | Link |
| 15 | Ong Kian Ming: Part 1 | 1:42:48 | May 2, 2023 (2023-5-2) | link at Youtube |
| Former Deputy Minister of International Trade and Industry and former Member of Parliament for Bangi, Dr. Ong Kian Ming discusses the future and issues of the Democratic Action Party (DAP) and his political ambitions post GE-15. |||||
| 24 | Wan Ahmad Fayhsal Wan Ahmad Kamal | 1:36:23 | June 1, 2023 (2023-6-1) | link at Youtube |
| The Shadow Foreign Minister of Malaysia and Member of Parliament for Machang, Wan Fayhsal discusses all about Perikatan Nasional, his decision on associating with the Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS), and comments on the current Anwar Government. |||||
| 34 | Muhammad Sanusi Md Nor | 1:32:07 | July 11, 2023 (2023-7-11) | link at Youtube |
| The controversial and ever notorious 14th Menteri Besar of Kedah, Dato' Seri Muhammad Sanusi Md Nor discusses PAS's political agenda on mixing religion and politics, PAS and PPBM relations, as well as views on Muafakat Nasional between UMNO and PAS. |||||
| 37 | Syed Saddiq Syed Abdul Rahman and Amira Aisya Abdul Aziz | 1:45:22 | July 23, 2023 (2023-7-23) | link at Youtube |
| Malaysian United Democratic Alliance's (MUDA) top two leaders which are Member of Parliament for Muar Syed Saddiq and Member of the Johor State Legislative Assembly for Puteri Wangsa Amira Aisya Abdul Aziz discusses MUDA's future and relevance and the 2023 Good Vibes Festival issue. |||||
| 38 | Nik Nazmi Nik Ahmad | 1:45:19 | July 25, 2023 (2023-7-25) | link at Youtube |
| The Minister of Natural Resources, Environment and Climate Change of Malaysia and Member of Parliament for Setiawangsa, Nik Nazmi Nik Ahmad discusses challenges facing the ministry, Malaysia's vision on industrial energy, energy opportunities in Selangor and the Malaysian East Coast, and relations between Rafizi Ramli and Anwar Ibrahim. |||||
| 40 | Amirudin Shari | 1:32:51 | August 8, 2023 (2023-8-8) | link at Youtube |
| 16th Menteri Besar of Selangor and Vice President of the People's Justice Party (PKR), Dato' Seri Amirudin Shari discusses his role in developing Selangor, comments on Sanusi Md Nor and PKR's "Kartel" faction, as well as views on the 2023 Malaysian state elections. |||||
| 41 | Azmin Ali | 1:54:45 | August 8, 2023 (2023-8-8) | link at Youtube |
| Former Senior Minister of Malaysia and former PKR Deputy President, Dato' Seri Azmin Ali discusses his views on Mahathir and Anwar, PN's Menteri Besar candidate for Selangor, and the Sheraton Move. |||||
| 42 | Ong Kian Ming: Part 2 | 2:01:09 | August 14, 2023 (2023-8-14) | link at Youtube |
| Former Deputy Minister of International Trade and Industry and former Member of Parliament for Bangi, Dr. Ong Kian Ming discusses the outcomes of the 2023 Malaysian state elections. |||||
| 50 | Wan Junaidi Tuanku Jaafar | 1:42:05 | September 16, 2023 (2023-9-16) | link at Youtube |
| 19th President of the Dewan Negara and veteran Sarawakian politician, Tan Sri Wan Junaidi Tuanku Jaafar discusses Malaysia Day and the Malaysia Agreement (MA63) on Malaysian Day. |||||
| 58 | Muslim Imran | 1:39:53 | October 16, 2023 (2023-10-16) | link at Youtube |
| Founding Director of the Asia Middle East Center for Research & Dialogue (AMEC) who is also a member of the Hamas International Bureau in Asia, Dr. Muslim Imran discusses the current 2023 Israel–Hamas war, the geopolitical history of the Israel-Palestinian conflict and the international reaction towards the war. |||||
| 61 | Tunku Ismail Idris | 1:34:32 | October 29, 2023 (2023-10-29) | link at Youtube |
| The Crown Prince of Johor, His Royal Highness Major General Tunku Ismail Idris discusses various matters such as the declaration of the Sultan of Johor, Sultan Ibrahim Sultan Iskandar as the 17th Yang di-Pertuan Agong, the relevance of royal institutions, the Johor nation in the context of Malaysia, the future of Johor Darul Ta'zim F.C. (JDT), and the current state of national politics. |||||
| 65 | Mahathir Mohamad | 2:20:36 | November 13, 2023 (2023-11-13) | link at Youtube |
| 4th and 7th Prime Minister of Malaysia, Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad discusses issues such as the clash between Tun M and KJ in the past, the Malay & Malaysian dilemma, Tun M's views on Anwar Ibrahim, as well as Tun M's issues with former Prime Ministers of Malaysia notably Najib Razak and Abdullah Ahmad Badawi. |||||
| 67 | Ong Kian Ming: Part 3 | 1:12:44 | November 20, 2023 (2023-11-20) | link at Youtube |
| Former Deputy Minister of International Trade and Industry and former Member of Parliament for Bangi, Dr. Ong Kian Ming discusses about Malaysia's achievements in APEC United States 2023, the need for a cabinet reshuffle by the Prime Minister, and the Generational Endgame (GEG) policy. |||||
| 68 | Apurva Sanghi | 1:33:14 | November 23, 2023 (2023-11-23) | link at Youtube |
| World Bank Lead Economist for Malaysia, Apurva Sanghi discusses the background, functions and position of the World Bank, and his views on the National Economic Performance and the Malaysia Madani Economic Framework brought by the PMX-led government. |||||
| 70 | Mohamed Shafee Abdullah | 1:41:04 | December 3, 2023 (2023-12-03) | link at Youtube |
| Prominent lawyer, former Commissioner of the Human Rights Commission of Malaysia (SUHAKAM) and Najib Razak's leading defense attorney, Tan Sri Mohamed Shafee Abdullah discusses the Altantuya Murder Case and the pardoning process of Najib Razak. |||||
| 71 | Zulkifli Mohamad Al-Bakri | 2:05:21 | December 6, 2023 (2023-12-06) | link at Youtube |
| Former Minister in the Prime Minister's Department in charge of Religious Affairs and 7th Mufti of Federal Territories, Dato' Seri Dr. Ustaz Zulkifli Mohamad al-Bakri discusses his journey from Mufti to Minister, Islamic politics as a whole and the pluralism of Malaysian society. |||||
| 74 | Mahfud MD | 1:18:17 | December 19, 2023 (2023-12-19) | link at Youtube |
| 14th Coordinating Minister for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs, 2nd Chief Justice of the Constitutional Court of Indonesia and Vice President candidate for the 2024 Indonesian presidential election, Prof Dr. Mohammad Mahfud Mahmodin discusses his vice presidential campaign as Ganjar Pranowo's running mate as well as his vision for Indonesia. |||||

### 2024

| No. | Guest(s) | Running time | Original release date | Link |
| 79 | Rafidah Aziz | 1:16:08 | January 23, 2024 (2024-01-23) | link at Youtube |
| 1st Minister of International Trade and Industry, 'Malaysia's Iron Lady' Tan Sri Rafidah Aziz discusses about Ketuanan Melayu, her 'world view' as well as her experience as the longest serving MITI Minister. |||||
| 89 | Ahmad Samsuri Mokhtar | 1:39:51 | March 13, 2024 (2024-03-13) | link at Youtube |
| 15th Menteri Besar of Terengganu, Dato' Seri Dr. Ahmad Samsuri Mokhtar traced his life journey, touched on the future of PAS and Perikatan Nasional towards GE16 and the direction of the Terengganu state government, as well as his comments on the performance of the Madani government. |||||
| 91 | Saifuddin Nasution Ismail | 2:08:01 | March 25, 2024 (2024-03-25) | link at Youtube |
| Minister of Home Affairs, Datuk Seri Senator Saifuddin Nasution Ismail talked about his early political career, his experience with Anwar in 1998, Anwar-Mahathir cooperation in GE14, Constitutional amendment on Malaysian nationality law, Sedition Act & SOSMA Act, Reformasi and the future of People's Justice Party. |||||
| 93 | Anthony Loke | 2:09:43 | April 5, 2024 (2024-04-05) | link at Youtube |
| Minister of Transport, Anthony Loke discusses his early political career, commented on the challenges at the Ministry of Transport as well as the transformation of transport in Malaysia. Loke also touched on DAP's ideology, the PH-BN relationship, having a PM from DAP, as well as the influence of the Lim Dynasty in DAP. |||||
| 96 | Yuko Nakajima and Paul McPhun | 1:09:27 | April 19, 2024 (2024-04-19) | link at Youtube |
| Medical practitioners from Doctors Without Borders or Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), Dr. Yuko Nakajima and Paul McPhun discusses the MSF medical aid mission in Palestine that has started since 1989, in addition to the two guests sharing their experiences and the real picture of the current situation in the Gaza Strip following Israel's latest genocide against the Palestinian population that has been going on for more than 6 months. |||||
| 98 | Mas Ermieyati Samsudin | 1:46:56 | April 25, 2024 (2024-04-25) | link at Youtube |
| Member of Parliament for Masjid Tanah and the Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC), Datuk Wira Mas Ermieyati Samsudin discusses the role of the PAC in the Dewan Rakyat as well as the latest developments in the TLDM Second Generation Patrol Ship Development Project (LCS). |||||
| 101 | Wee Ka Siong | 2:07:58 | May 7, 2024 (2024-05-07) | link at Youtube |
| 11th President of the Malaysian Chinese Association (MCA) and Member of Parliament for Ayer Hitam, Datuk Seri Dr. Ir. Wee Ka Siong questions the allegation that MCA is a tauke party and the allegation that MCA boycotted the 2024 Kuala Kubu Baharu by-election. Wee also commented on the direction of MCA if UMNO and Zahid Hamidi decides to join PH in GE-16 as well as the probability that MCA will become DAP 2.0 with a new image. |||||
| 102 | Siti Hamisah Tapsir | 1:57:37 | May 9, 2024 (2024-05-09) | link at Youtube |
| Vice-Chancellor of UCSI University and Independent Non-Executive Director of Sime Darby, Prof Datuk Dr. Ir. Ts. Siti Hamisah Tapsir discusses about higher education issues in Malaysia, cultivation, awareness and importance of science as well as the characteristics of an ideal graduate. |||||
| 113 | Ong Kian Ming: Part 4 | 2:01:22 | July 9, 2024 (2024-07-09) | link at Youtube |
| Former Deputy Minister of International Trade and Industry and former Member of Parliament for Bangi, Dr. Ong Kian Ming discusses the result of the 2024 Sungai Bakap by-election, the affidavit for the house arrest of Dato' Sri Najib, the Auditor General's Report, and the recent 2024 UK general election. |||||
| 115 | Abang Abdul Rahman Johari | 1:58:24 | July 22, 2024 (2024-07-22) | link at Youtube |
| 1st Premier of Sarawak, Datuk Pattinggi Tan Sri Abang Johari Abang Openg discusses on Sarawak's position in Malaysia as well as the latest developments in the demands of the Malaysia Agreement 1963 (MA63). |||||
| 120 | Ismail Sabri Yaakob | 2:03:47 | August 28, 2024 (2024-08-28) | link at Youtube |
| 9th Prime Minister of Malaysia, Dato' Sri Ismail Sabri Yaakob discusses his experiences and achievements during his tenure as Prime Minister during a critical period when the country was facing a health, economic and political crisis. |||||
| 123 | Shafie Apdal | 2:19:15 | September 16, 2024 (2024-09-16) | link at Youtube |
| 15th Chief Minister of Sabah, Datuk Seri Panglima Mohd Shafie Apdal discusses the position of Sabah in Malaysia as well as the development of matters contained in the Malaysia Agreement 1963 (MA63). |||||
| 126 | Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin | 1:52:05 | October 8, 2024 (2024-10-08) | link at Youtube |
| Current Mufti of Perlis, Sahibus Samahah Prof. Dato' Arif Perkasa Dr. Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin discusses Global Ikhwan child abuse scandal, Al-Arqam, Wala' towards your leaders in context of Malaysian-Malay community and Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS) as well as Islamic's school of thought and Perlis exceptionalism on making a fatwa. |||||
| 131 | Hassan Abdul Karim | 1:54:38 | November 12, 2024 (2024-11-12) | link at Youtube |
| Member of Parliament for Pasir Gudang and 5th President of Parti Rakyat Malaysia, Hassan Abdul Karim discusses his journey and struggle of left-wing politics as well as his open criticisms through writing. |||||
| Special | Anies Baswedan | 1:29:08 | December 30, 2024 (2024-12-30) | link at Youtube |
| 14th Governor of Jakarta and former Presidential candidate for the 2024 Indonesian presidential election, Anies Baswedan discusses his views and vision for Indonesia's future. |||||

### 2025

| No. | Guest(s) | Running time | Original release date | Link |
| 146 | Kuljit Singh and Anwar Anis | 1:35:47 | March 7, 2025 (2025-3-7) | link at Youtube |
| President and Honorary Secretary of the Association of Private Hospitals of Malaysia (APHM) Datuk Dr. Kuljit Singh and Mr. Anwar Anis discusses in depth about the inflation of medical costs in private hospitals and its impact on the country's health system. |||||
| 148 | Azman Abidin | 1:48:32 | March 18, 2024 (2024-3-18) | link at Youtube |
| Political Secretary to the 10th Prime Minister of Malaysia, Datuk Azman Abidin discusses about The Urban Renewal Act (URA) and the upcoming 2025 People's Justice Party leadership election. |||||