 i may be dense but why would anyone want to utilize habeus to me it looks like a potential backdoor to anyone s defenses against spam you re not dense i m going to zero the habeas scores on my copy of spamassassin i think they were added to sa quite prematurely to me it s simple NUMBER people who send me legitimate email have absolutely no motivation to use habeas at least until it gets lots more press and even then only bulk mailing companies like amazon or ebay are going to bother and i already whitelist them individuals won t bother NUMBER spammers have lots of motivation to forge the habeas headers and a good percentage of them are completely out of the legal reach of habeas i think it should be subjected to the same testing and scrutiny as any other potential new rule when i test against my corpus here s what i get overall spam nonspam s o score name NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER all messages NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER habeas_swe the score of NUMBER NUMBER is pretty harmless right now but it still looks like a useless rule so far michael moncur mgm at URL URL never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake napoleon this URL email is sponsored by jabber the world s fastest growing real time communications platform don t just im build it in URL _______________________________________________ spamassassin talk mailing list spamassassin talk URL URL 