hello all firstly i d like to thank all of you for the fast and very helpful feedback that i got to my question today i have one more question though i downloaded the wNUMBER and url files from the server at the first try thanks to the help that i received today then though i tried to build them i started by trying the wNUMBER program i used the following lines which produced some strange results would any one be able to set me straight configure with emacs prefix usr local src beta wNUMBER exec prefix usr local src beta wNUMBER with url url url that worked fine so i moved to the next step make at the bottem of the text i got the following messages cannot open load file url url url vars el make NUMBER custom load el error NUMBER make NUMBER leaving directory usr local src beta wNUMBER lisp make wNUMBER error NUMBER when i got around to trying the url package i had no problems in saying that this doesn t necessarily mean that i was doing it right so below are the commands i used configure with emacs prefix url url exec prefix url url followed by the commands make and make install there is no text files which contain help on installing the url package so i m not completely certain if i ve used the right method here thanks again darragh original message from hunt bryan b hunt emuse tech com to macarthy iol ie michael conry URL cc ilug URL sent thursday september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER pm subject ot re ilug newby to linux looking for information on cvs speaking of that ide weblogic developer the open source version called eclipse is free from URL if you are doing java development you need to get this ide i ve been using it for the last month and it is absolutly superb best thing about it is that rather than using swing which is crap is that they have their own native widget set called swt when you run it on windows it uses windows widgets but when you run it on linux it uses gtk you should see it on gnome NUMBER absolutely stunning b original message from justin maccarthy mailto macarthy iol ie sent NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to michael conry URL cc ilug URL subject re ilug newby to linux looking for information on cvs this is the best step by step guide to setting up cvs on redhat URL l NUMBER t gr it is for a particular ibm ide but the setup and testing of the server is the same for any cvs client both the using linux and linux in a nutshell book by oreilly have sections on cvs rcs and both books are a must buy for any linux newbie justin original message from ilug admin URL mailto ilug admin URL on behalf of michael conry sent NUMBER september NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to darragh cc ilug URL subject re ilug newby to linux looking for information on cvs on NUMBER NUMBER thu sep NUMBER NUMBER at NUMBER NUMBER NUMBERpm NUMBER darragh wrote hello i am very new to linux and need some help on a utility called cvs as far as i m aware its a similar protocol to ftp i need to use it to download a program from pserver anoncvs URL i am looking for information on how to use it i ll have another look at the man pages but i think i have to set it up before i can download anything cvs is really a very different kind of thing to ftp but the details of that statement are left as an exercise to the reader won t show up my own ignorance that way the application you want is cvsclient there is documentation here URL you might get a quick idea of how it works from here URL where he explains how to get cvs gnuplot the commands are export cvsroot pserver anonymous URL cvs login cvs zNUMBER checkout gnuplot something similar will probably do the job for you i m guessing the following might work export cvsroot pserver anoncvs URL cvs login cvs zNUMBER checkout wNUMBER m michael conry ph NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER web URL key fingerprint NUMBER bNUMBER NUMBER NUMBERcNUMBER aNUMBER cbNUMBER NUMBERb NUMBER NUMBERde NUMBERc irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL irish linux users group ilug URL URL for un subscription information list maintainer listmaster URL 