 r robert harley harley argote ch writes r depends who writes it one guy will write a bug every NUMBER lines r another every NUMBER lines put them both on a project and that r will average out to a bug every NUMBER NUMBER lines and a java program due to the extensive class libraries will weigh in at NUMBER the number of lines of the equivalent c program qed gary lawrence murphy garym teledyn com teledynamics communications inc business advantage through community software URL computers are useless they can only give you answers pablo picasso 