 begin pgp signed message hash shaNUMBER in article eNUMBERvNUMBERmw NUMBERes NUMBER pmenage dt ensim com you write i ll have to try it with another window manager and see if i can get exmh to put it back inside of sane boundaries i don t have this problem with any other windows though just the exmhunseen window how about enabling the show unseen message count in folder cache option it displays the number of unseen messages next to each folder name if greater than NUMBER so you don t really need the unseen window unless you re using more sequences than just unseen paul as hal noted i like to have the unseen window visible in all virtual desktops even if the main window is minimized however i looked through all the preferences menus and didn t see anything resembling show unseen message count in folder cache where is that and in what version i m running vNUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER creaky i know i went into twm with no virtual desktops and it came up just fine going back to enlightenment i saw the same behavior as before then i knew it must be something in the window manager so i went digging in my englightenment e_session xxxxxx snapshots NUMBER file i found all the settings that e uses for remembering border styles positions shaded state etc i have a NUMBERxNUMBER screen and it kept putting my window at NUMBERxNUMBER and had it shaded to boot so it was tiny as well as offscreen searching for unseen in that file found this section new exmh exmh name exmh class exmh new unseen unseenwin name unseen class unseenwin desktop NUMBER res NUMBER NUMBER wh NUMBER NUMBER xy NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER layer NUMBER sticky NUMBER skiptask NUMBER skipwinlist NUMBER skipfocus NUMBER shade NUMBER border pager_left_blue i changed xy NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER to xy NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER so it would reappear in my viewable space restarted enlightenment ctrl alt end and then restarted exmh bingo there was my window i quickly told englightenment to forget everything about that window except is border style and now have a sveldt little entry like so new exmh exmh name exmh class exmh new unseen unseenwin name unseen class unseenwin border pager_left_blue completely an enlightenment problem not exmh though i wonder how it got mixed up in the first place i certainly can t move a window off screen like that unless it was part way over then snapped offscreen when shading hmm weird anyway thanks for the suggestions folks hopefully this will be useful to someone scouting the archives in the future begin pgp signature version pgp NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER comment don t know what pgp is check URL iqa awubpzayrijkhjbjytpqeqiyzgcg mmmlknmpNUMBERcxa hNUMBERbNUMBERxNUMBERkrjxslsaooNUMBERn NUMBERdmNUMBERhpjNUMBERrnugpjuuqitbyecNUMBER olNUMBERh end pgp signature _______________________________________________ exmh users mailing list exmh users URL URL 