despite my lack of confidence to upgrade to NUMBER NUMBER using the tarball instead of cpan it worked with the help of others got razor working i did however notice something in my logs which happened twice but hasn t recurred sep NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER omega spamd NUMBER razorNUMBER check skipped permission denied can t call method log on unblessed reference at usr lib perlNUMBER site_perl NUMBER NUMBER NUMBER razorNUMBER client agent pm line NUMBER stdin line NUMBER robin lynn frank paradigm omega llc the only certainty about documentation is that whoever wrote it might have understood it the rest of us may not be so lucky this URL email is sponsored by osdn tired of that same old cell phone get a new here for free URL _______________________________________________ spamassassin talk mailing list spamassassin talk URL URL 