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UESPWiki:Archive/CP Image Upload Inquiry

Image Upload Inquiry
Might I inquire - to any who would know - whether there has been some change or error made in the image upload system, which prevents an image from being overwritten by that with the same name? Using the "Upload a new version of this file" link used to overwrite the old image with the new (at least, it did when I replaced the logo and CC images), however, of late I have been unable to have such work. For instance, in attempting to amend the mistake found within the Septim Lineage Chart, I was unable to upload the revised edition over the currently hosted image (making use of said function), and was forced to upload the image under a new name (oh, and thank you for deleting the old images, Nephele). I was just attempting to upload some new versions of the faction tags (mine being of better resolution and clarity, though modified to the same size; starting with the Arena ranks), but upon "uploading a new version" and ignoring the warning that "an image with this name already exists", I was greeted with the exact same image. Thus, again, I ask if some change has been made to the system, or does the fault lie with me/my computer? -- Booyah boy 05:50, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
: I think it's a problem with the site, which is beyond my access level. Daveh would have to examine the PHP files involved and try to fix it. --Aristeo 11:16, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
::Ah, very well. Thank you for looking into it.
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::-- Booyah boy 16:17, 29 September 2006 (EDT)
:::Odd. I just hopped over to the Faction articles at Oblivion - to begin listing the icons - when I noticed that the Pit Dog icon I noted above had sorted itself out! That is, it was finally displaying the proper image (the one I uploaded earlier). If any changes were made to amend such, I want to thank said person, otherwise, I am at a loss to explain such (I would say it was my cache, but I regularly refresh such on the half-hour, so that's out). Kindly do get back to me herein if anything is discovered regarding this conundrum, as I would like to prevent it occurring again; for now, I'll begin uploading the new images over the old. Thank you. -- Booyah boy 16:25, 29 September 2006 (EDT)

::::When updating images, you may have to refresh your browser chache before you see the changes. Press CRTL+F5 in IE (I don't know how in the other browsers). --DrPhoton 07:51, 30 September 2006 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for the advice, DrPhoton, but - as I noted above ("I would say it was my cache, but I regularly refresh such on the half-hour, so that's out") - I periodically refresh my cache via the hard option (Ctrl+F5), and did so after each upload, but to no avail. Still, it is of little consequence now, as the issue has been resolved, the proper images now appearing. Thanks!
:::::If there are no objections, I will remove this inquiry in two hours time. As the poster, I can faithfully consider the problem resolved - even if the solution is not apparent - and no longer see a need for it. -- Booyah boy 09:31, 30 September 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Archive 3

Archive #3
Although not an administrator, I archived many of the conversations here that appeared to be resolved, due to the large size of the page (formerly 76KB) and clutter they presented. The archive is noted in the "Page Archives" box above, and is listed under the title . As with every other archive, if a topic was incorrectly included, feel free to restore the text herein. -- Booyah boy 11:06, 30 September 2006 (EDT)
:Administrative privileges don't help when it comes to archiving pages. --Aristeo | Talk
::I didn't think they would be; I was simply making a note lest another member complain that, as I am not an administrator, it is not my place to go archiving this page (specifically as the other two archives have been created by you). Still, all things aside, it's a rather moot point. -- Booyah boy 03:48, 4 October 2006 (EDT)

:::I guess I have been doing the majority of archiving, but I'm still rather confused on what this has to do with my access level on the wiki. No matter, thank you for archiving the page :) --Aristeo | Talk 11:43, 4 October 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Oblivion Wiki and duplicate efforts

Oblivion Wiki and duplicate efforts
Since there is a Wiki just for Oblivion ( it seems like there's a lot of duplication of effort amongst the two wikis. It seems logical to investigate a combination or partnership between the two sites... Such as an outright consolidation, or perhaps just a system of linking and shared searches. Or maybe the two communities don't get along? :)  -- Krep 13:17, 27 October 2006 (EDT)

:Well, I've often thought that such would be a good idea, but I really doubt that a combination of the two wikis would ever take place. Both are already so big that any combination of the two would take a lot of time, and I doubt that either group has the time to undertake such a task. Secondly, I think there would be a problem on which site would handle the wiki. Both sites are made up of more than just a Oblivion section. Oblivion Wiki is actually part of Gamewiki which has the stated goal of "We want to be the central repository for video game knowledge", so I doubt they'd be willing to hand over their wiki to us. By the same measure, the UESP has been part of the Elder Scrolls community for several years now, so it'd be a bit odd for it just pack it's bags and fade away. A system of linking and searches sound a bit to complicated, but that type of stuff isn't my specialty. As for not getting along, I don't think that's true... --Ratwar 16:29, 27 October 2006 (EDT)

::There aren't any conflicts between the communities; on the contrary, there have been several conversations between admins at the two sites.  However, the two sites are unlikely to be consolidated, in part for the reasons mentioned by Ratwar.  There are some cross links between the sites, and if you see places where more cross links would be useful feel free to add them.  The duplication of effort is unfortunate, but I don't think that realistically much can be done to change that. --Nephele 17:04, 27 October 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Anyone else notice this?

Anyone else notice this?

I was looking at the MediaWiki website tonight and noticed this: It looks as though, excluding the 100 largest wikis in the world (mostly Wikimedia, number 1 is English Wikipedia, 2 is German Wikipedia, etc.), we are the 5th largest user of MediaWiki software. I found this interesting and decided to post it. You may also notice the CS wiki as 13th on the list. --Dylnuge 23:35, 27 October 2006 (EDT)

: We need over 8,700 articles to even get on the top 120 list. [ --Aristeo | Talk 10:32, 30 October 2006 (EST)

: Basing on article count alone is not a good method of determining the largest Wiki. For example, www.gamerwiki.com has 4x the number of good articles (11000 to our 2900) but we have over 10x the number of users (5900 to 560) and over 60x the number of page views (29 million to 500,000). Or consider the English Chainki which has a ridiculus 477,000 article count but a low page view and almost no users. I've looked at a number of Wikis and found there is huge variation in the article count to actual content. The UESP has a low good article count I think because each good article is relatively large. We could artifically inflate our article by a few factors simply by splitting any page with a 2 or 3 level header, although just doing so to get on a 'largest Wiki list' is not a good reason to do so.

:Actually looking at that list and not just looking at article count we're higher rated than I would of guessed. By users we're 54th, by views we're 5th (if you trust the page view values), and by edits we're 106th. While it doesn't really matter whether we're near the top or near the bottom, its interesting at any rate. -- DaveH 19:34, 3 November 2006 (EST)

::We might not have the largest wiki, but we sure do have the best! --Aristeo | Talk 17:48, 9 November 2006 (EST)

:Being interesting is the only real reason I mentioned this, I know a lot of factors contribute to a 'good' wiki. I found this interesting, and notice it says it excludes wikis in the top 123 available at meta. Dylnuge 16:53, 9 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Vandals, Main Page

Vandals, Main Page
I pulled the Vandals warning from the main page for several reasons. The main reason is that the warning was too prominent and seemed a bit insulting to the bulk of users/editors (remember that most people visiting the site are simply readers, not editors). It seemed to be talking down to users/viewers. (I'm sure Aristeo didn't intent such, but that's the way it came across to me as reader.) It also seemed a bit unwiki-like. (I would say that wiki assumes that users will act like adults, though it is quite willing to wipe their edits out (without fanfare) when they don't.) I'm also a bit concerned about counter-productivity -- it seemed a bit likely to act as a waving red flag to some people.)

Note that I'm not disagreeing with the policy, I'm disagreeing with where and how it was presented. In part, it doesn't belong in the news section. But more than that, I think that it probably doesn't belong on the main page at all. Rather, it should be in our equivalent of wikipedia's "anyone can edit" page, but it should be a shorter note. Which leads me to... The main page lead into editing is a bit complicated and dated and probably should be updated. (E.g., logins are no longer required.) There really should be one fairly simple and short page to get people started. The link to that page should be easy to find (e.g., like Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link), and any warnings which we have to give (e.g., vandal warning) should be on that page. --Wrye 01:48, 1 November 2006 (EST)

: I talked to Lurlock, Hoggwild, and Nephele before posting the news article up, but I do think you give some valid points. How about I replace that news article with one about how the wiki was upgraded to version 1.8.2? --Aristeo | Talk 12:08, 1 November 2006 (EST)

::Wiki upgrade news: Just put yourself in the shoes of Joe Blow, non-editor, or Jane Blow, occasional editor. Would he or she care? Don't post unless one of them would care. If only heavy editors and/or sysops would care, then post it here. (I assume that all heavy editors have this page watched.) --Wrye 12:33, 1 November 2006 (EST)

:::More good points. Will do. :) --Aristeo | Talk 13:39, 1 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Advertising, Nonsense

Advertising, Nonsense
I'm sorry, I'm something of a new user here. I apologize for advertising a page on Wikipedia, I'd just like you good folk to take a look at it. It's a small little article, but I think it generally meets with what you people look for on your site. I wouldn't really have come here, but for suggestions that I "Send [the article on Black Marsh] to an Elder Scrolls wiki where they actually want to see a massive deconstruction of every piece of information ever put to pixel regarding the area." So, here it is, at Black Marsh, and I'd like you to take a look at it and see if it suits your tastes, so that maybe I could receive some helpful commentary from those of a like mind. SulfurousDesign 18:31, 1 November 2006 (EST)
:If you would like to add to our page on the Black Marsh, we'd love the input, since it is admittedly pretty minimal at this time.  We prefer to not have wikipedia articles copied in their entirety to our site, but if you would like to rewrite some of the content it would be a welcome addition.  Let me know if you have any questions. --Nephele 18:51, 1 November 2006 (EST)

: Your Black Marsh article looks pretty nice. You sure do know how to write good articles, and lucky for us you also know a lot about the Elder Scrolls. Perhaps you could wander around and add content to articles or revise articles so that they are better. Also, you can reuse any of the content that you submitted to Wikipedia, because you ultimately own the copyright for it. Let me know if there's anything I can do to make your flight more comfortable. --Aristeo | Talk 12:10, 2 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Advertising the Reference Desk

Advertising the Reference Desk
As you can see, I have made an advertisement to the reference desk in the top right corner of the screen by modifying the  page. I figured that it wouldn't be controversial, but just in case, I left an opening for discussion about my modification here. --Aristeo | Talk 12:10, 2 November 2006 (EST)

::You put the ad on the top-right of what page? The first thing I looked for when I found this Wiki was the reference desk. I couldn't find it and assumed there wasn't one here. But then I saw this post. How do people normally find the Reference Desk? What pages have links to it? Why isn't it listed under the "Community" menu on the left side? Unless I am growing increasingly clueless with age, it appears to be very hard to find.... 66.188.6.131 16:22, 7 December 2006 (EST)
:::UPDATE: The reference Desk does not appear to be linked from very many high-traffic pages:  66.188.6.131 16:24, 7 December 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Morrowind Redesign Project

Morrowind Redesign Project
I've created the Morrowind Redesign Project page for the different project participants to use as a resource for managing the flow and progress of this project.  This page is designed to be temporary in nature; once the project is completed, this page will be proposed for Deletion Review.  In the meantime, let's make use of it to identify the different facets of the project, let others know you are working on a section, and to discuss facets and and issues for community consensus.

I've listed the major portions of this project, but if you are working on another facet, please feel free to add a section (Morrowind Houses, Alchemy pages, etc.)  In addition, if you are working on the Tribunal or Bloodmoon pages, please add that in parenthesis next to your USER ID under the Project Contributors subheadings.

The project contributors involved with this project welcome all contributions, but we do ask that if you intent to participate in an ongoing manner, please refrain from making anonymous contributions and establish a USER ID so we can identify you as a participant, include you in discussions as needed, etc. --Hoggwild5 13:45, 8 November 2006 (EST)

: I know this is not the main focus of this discussion/notice, but I recommend that we don't put that up for the deletion review because it will have historical reference. Other than that, I think this project is working pretty well and I want to congratulate everyone involved in the project for your excellent work. --Aristeo | Talk 21:52, 11 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP IRC Meeting (2)

IRC Meeting

It has been suggested that I schedule a moderated meeting in our :IRC channel. The meeting will probably be opened for everyone to watch, but only Nephele, TheRealLurlock, Hoggwild5, Ratwar, and myself will be given voice permissions during the duration of the meeting. Although the meeting will strive to be public, please don't be offended if I asked you to leave. We will schedule this meeting at whatever time the previously mentioned people are avaliable, so expect to be notified at the last minute. --Aristeo | Talk 19:25, 11 November 2006 (EST)

It has been suggested that the meeting be held on Wednesday. We will start the meeting when the above people are present in the room unless we agree on a set time. --Aristeo | Talk 13:55, 13 November 2006 (EST)

I just want to remind everyone that the meeting is scheduled for today, and that it's probably going to be this afternoon when everyone can get off of work. Also, the entire meeting will probably not be moderated, the moderation (+m) will just be turned on during hot spots. Let me know if you have any questions. --Aristeo | Talk 15:11, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Everyone is in the room right now. The meeting will begin shortly. --Aristeo | Talk 18:50, 15 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Vibrant Book Skin

Vibrant Book Skin

Some of you may know by now that I have been working on enhancing the current default skin. The results have exceeded my expectations, which is somewhat surprising considering how few modifications I have made to the actual css. I consider this skin to be finished for the most part, so I would like you all to test it out to see what you think. If enough people like it, I could make this modification global.

; Setup Instructions
: You must be logged in to be able to set up the skin. Create the page  , case sensitive, and while replacing "Username" with your account name. When creating the page, you will want to type in the following line of code in the edit box:

: 

: This will copy the contents of my css file and paste it onto yours. To revert this change, simply blank the contents of the page and optionally place the line  /* {  onto your css file.

As an administrator, I can edit other people's css and js files. For this purpose, this allows me to update other people's skin when I update my code. For social limitations, however, I will only update your skin file if you give me permission to do so. At this moment, only :Daveh, Hoggwild5, Nephele, and DrPhoton have given me permission to update their skins for this purpose.

As always, comments, criticism, and other suggestions are appreciated. --Aristeo | Talk 13:50, 13 November 2006 (EST)

After making some adjustments, I feel that the skin is now in the release candidate stage. If no one is seeing any white boxes of doom in the next couple of days, and if no one objects, I can make the changes global. --Aristeo | Talk 13:24, 17 November 2006 (EST)

I just made the change global. Let me know what you think about the skin. --Aristeo | Talk 13:41, 22 November 2006 (EST)

Amazing. I just logged off for five minutes, I come back, anc I see this amazing skin. While I like it, I am wonsering if the old MonoBook skin is still available, as some users may not love the change. -- (talk &middot; edits) 17:16, 22 November 2006 (EST)

: I'll be working on some css code that will allow people to revert to the previous look. --Aristeo | Talk 15:37, 22 November 2006 (EST)

::Why not move the skin to one of the other selectable in the user preferences (like e.g. MySkin)? It would allow users to select the one they like best. --DrPhoton 03:47, 23 November 2006 (EST)

I like the parchment background, but why was the UESP logo changed back to the old version? No offense to the guy who made it, but the new one that Booyah Boy made was much better. -- Xbolt 15:54, 22 November 2006 (EST)

: Just an issue with the image transparency which should be fixed in the near future (assuming Booyah Boy is around). -- DaveH 16:46, 22 November 2006 (EST)

Very nice! --Wrye 19:58, 22 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP New Flags for the Morrowind Redesign Project

New Flags for the Morrowind Redesign Project
We've set up new article flags for the Morrowind Redesign project to flag the following:
Articles that are works in progress --  
Articles that need cleanup --  
Articles that need images --  
Articles that need peer review --  
These flags are for the Morrowind Redesign Project articles only; we have flags in place for use for other pages on the wiki.  There is also a subheading at the top of the Morrowind Redesign Project page with links to these categories to make it easier for project participants to find pages that need attention.  Please let me know if you have any questions. --Hoggwild5 13:33, 14 November 2006 (EST)

: I made some modifications to them, most notably the colors of the notices and the categories they were hooked to. --Aristeo | Talk 14:28, 15 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Vvardenfell Google map

Vvardenfell Google map
I am amazed by the Oblivion interactive map, powered by google map. I'm interested to know if you're planning to make the same thing for Vvardenfell. I tested the hires interactive map (from here) but in my opinion, it's less usable and gorgeous :). I found a more detailed map on the Imperial Library. It could be used to make a "Vvardenfell Google map"

On a related note, pointing to the interactive map from articles would be an incredible feature. 
I saw it's discussed here, but I just want to underline the fact that I'd really like to see this for Morrowind articles :). Shamaz 05:58, 21 November 2006 (EST)

:I've thought about it and its certainly possible the only issue is time (i.e. my time which is stretched lately). Most of the base map code can be reused but the most time consuming thing is actually generating the map images and creating the location database. The map images have to be generated from Morrowind or the CS (I forget the command, I think its a game console command). These images then have to be combined, renamed, and resized to form all the tile images. Since editors are getting into updating the Morrowind section of the Wiki perhaps I can spare a few days and put it together.

:Actually, looking at that hi-res map it might help sped up image creation although I'd have to redo the image tiling scripts I have. -- DaveH 10:00, 21 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Morrowind Redesign Project -- data dumps and project page flags

Morrowind Redesign Project -- data dumps and project page flags
I just wanted to make everyone aware that we have project specific article flags for the Morrowind Redesign project that will allow you to flag articles for cleanup, as stubs, as needing images and as works in progress.  Also, I've created a couple of data dumps from the construction set to provide information not easily obtainable by those project members who don't have access to the construction set, and also to aid in tracking our progress on various parts of the project.  You can read more about these on the project page and the project talk page at Morrowind Redesign Project and Morrowind Redesign Project talk page, as well as find links to the data dumps and the categorization pages for the flagged articles.--Hoggwild5 05:02, 22 November 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Wiki Server Speed?

Wiki Server Speed?

Recently, I have been noticing some slow page loads on UESP. I have a page load timer, and the community portal took 179 seconds (about 3 minutes) to load. Is/are the server/servers overloaded? Just wondering what can be done to help reduce page load time (or if anyone else except me is experianceing it). -- (talk &middot; edits) 23:37, 4 December 2006 (EST)
:PS I use Firefox 1.5.0.8 -- (talk &middot; edits) 23:37, 4 December 2006 (EST)
:The server does slowly get clogged up over time with dead connections, and Daveh has to periodically restart it.  He last restarted it about 4 hours ago; before that I had definitely been noticing some problems occasionally with slow responses (over the last three days or so).  Also at this particular moment Aristeo is doing a major batch edit, so expect slowness for another hour or so.  So, basically, yes, the server has been slow over the last few days but hopefully once Aristeo's batch job clears out of the system, things should hopefully be normal.  --Nephele 23:55, 4 December 2006 (EST)
::For those wondering about the worsened server speed and about the current issues the wiki faces, please read below. -- (talk &middot; edits) 14:20, 13 December 2006 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Inputbox Plugin

Inputbox Plugin

I am thinking of adding a type in page and click add button like they have over at Wikipedia, but I would like to add a drop down for the namespaces, since its usefulness is eliminated if it does not have this (people who would use the feature-don't know much about wikis-would not think to put the namespace in). The problem is, the feature is added as a plugin([ The inputbox plugin could be useful, but would require installation by Daveh. I am wondering what other people's thoughs are on this. Thanks. -- (talk &middot; edits) 21:36, 7 December 2006 (EST)

: We already have the inputbox plugin installed. --Aristeo | Talk 22:01, 7 December 2006 (EST)