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Mature Content
I couldn't find a policy about mature content. If there's a policy against it then   will need attention. ?     23:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

:Yeah, I noticed that as well; but it's used (along a few others) in this specific mod page. Supposedly the 'warning' at the top of the page should be enough. Of course anything non-ES related that is inappropriate will be speedy deleted without second thoughts. --SerCenKing   23:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

::I put all of them into a new  . ?     23:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

:::If it's worth putting those into a Mature Content category, what about low-res images like this and stories like this from Daggerfall? --  -   -   02:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

::::I think we should delete that image that Joram mentioned straight away, and possibly give whoever put it up an indefinite ban, no hard feelings to anyone, but I just don't want to see UESP go downhill with crude images and stuff. --ModderElGrande 20:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::We can't and we shouldn't since there are several images like that that are being used in , also there's a big red box on top of the page that already warns whoever enters the page to stop reading if they don't want to see that kind of images. And no, the block is absolutely not necessary since no-one has violated any policy. --   •   22:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

::::::Well maybe we could like censor the rude parts out, you know, like pixelate or blur out the rude parts of the images.--ModderElGrande 14:40, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

All of this is completely unnecessary, category and all.  The reason you couldn't find "policy" for mature content is that we don't have one.  We regularly revert "obscene" text/images as vandalism, but these are not obscene.  These are images of body mods; so, naturally, they show the body that is modded. It makes most sense to show the bodies without clothes so that the viewer can see exactly how the bodies are changed.  Pixelating or blurring the images would defeat the purpose of the images.  These are not pornographic images, not "crude images", not "rude", simply images that display the female form nude to see the differences between the way they were in the vanilla game and the way the mod makes them (and does a bad job of it, I might say...  is it because I'm the only female involved in this conversation that I'm the only one who noticed that the woman in the image Joram linked to has four hands?).  --GK  04:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

:I confess I never noticed the hands, that's funny. I made the category just to group images with the same theme not to segregate or imply they were undesirable. ?     04:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
::So basically just because I suggested something I get ganged up on? --ModderElGrande 17:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Nobody is ganging up on you. GuildKnight explained the current situation to you and anybody else with the same question. rpeh  17:40, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

::::The site certainly isn't going to go downhill because of this. That warning, and the one on the book page, is is definitely enough. So far, everything remotely "rude" is 100% to do with the subject matter of this site. There's no reason to take any of those images down, or censor them, unless they have no justifiable place on the site. Oblivion is a 15-rated game here in the UK, and Morrowind is a 12+ on the PEGI system, and films with similar ratings often show a lot more than these images. -Itachi 18:11, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, here we are again, people ganging up on me just because I made a suggestion. This is a wiki, not a porn site. --ModderElGrande 19:07, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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Honestly, stop this pathetic whining. Nobody is ganging up on you, the Community is simply expressing its opinions, which happen to be opposite to yours. This is a wiki, an encyclopaedia, therefore our aim is to document. Those image serve to document certain mods which are covered where at UESP. Now, nobody is forcing you to stare at them nor are they being linked anywhere extremely visible; the warning at the top of the Body Mods page says it all.

Furthermore, nude bodies do not indicate pornography; nude is a famous component of art. Are you saying Michelangelo's, Leonardo's, Raffaello's and others great works of nude art and sculture are pornographic??? And plus, I don't see how someone could, put bluntly, be sexually aroused by computer images. Therefore I ask you to stop posting accusatory comments just because people disagree with you. If you're not mature enough for that, then just leave. --SerCenKing   19:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

: Remember that Oblivion is a rated M game; It is assumed that any content under the Oblivion category may be of Mature quality; whether that be mods or original content.--Tim   19:44, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

:: True, I'll shut up about it all then. So that people can stop yelling at me. --ModderElGrande 19:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

:::We aren't yelling at you. You're the first person (that I know of) to have complained about these images, and since this wiki is run on a policy of consensus over debatable issues, it seems only fair to keep them on. You opinion matters as much as anyone else's, but it won't change a majority unless you persuade it that way. It sounds harsh but that's what consensus is - reaching a solution through discussion and majority. If we consistently served the minorities on issues then the site would not be a reflection of its user body. The fact is that the games we explore here are age-rated, so it makes sense to allow content which would otherwise be similarly age-rated. Yes we appreciate your viewpoint, but you haven't given us a decisive reason to agree with you. -Itachi

::::Well done Itachi, you have done an excellent job of belittling my opinion. I will now take my leave from this matter. --ModderElGrande 20:01, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::Hostility much?! I have nothing against you - its only a few images! I would say exactly the same to anyone else - please don't feel like you're being targeted. -Itachi 20:04, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

This is quite enough.  Consensus has been reached that there is no reason we should object, as a community, to having these images on our articles.  Further discussion along the lines of the last few comments is not helpful to the wiki, so please refrain.  --GK  20:37, 1 February 2010 (UTC)