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UESPWiki:Archive/CP External Links

External Links

The original hmtl version of the site had one universal link page, is this going to be the same for the wiki or will we have links pages for each game ?

-Robmods 15:56, 8 Apr 2005 (EDT)


It looks like the prevailing format is to have individual external links in the relevant section. Excellent, but I think an actual 'links' page should still be present, as I can see it being a real pain to find the link you want this way. Just a thought...

--Dr. Faust 11:18, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Forums

Forums

It seems that the forums are down. I'm not sure if this is a result of your tweaking or just a temporary forum problem, but I thought I'd let you know since the first time I saw that you had made changes to fix the speed that the forums were down.

--Weirdoman 12:55, 10 April 2006 (EDT)

:Thanks...they were down to upgrade them as I noticed a few hacking attempts that were affecting the response time of the site. Hopefully the upgrade will prevent this. They are back up for now... -- DaveH 13:15, 10 April 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Oblivion Mod Management Page

Oblivion Mod Management Page

Not sure this is the best place to post this, but I couldn't find any other place besides the ESF thread.

I've updated the Oblivion page on mod management to include a discussion of load-order issues and why mod management is becoming critical for Oblivion. See:



Unfortunately, I think one of you guys will need to alter the page description since it still says "there's not much need for mod management tools yet", which clearly is no longer true.

Maybe I just don't know how to do it :(

--Dev akm 12:34, 27 April 2006 (EDT)--

Nevermind, got it figured out.

--Dev akm 17:58, 2 May 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP New Editors' Page

New Editors' Page
So what do you all think about the new editors page? I moved the original content from this page to , and created this page. It obviously needs a little work, so feel free to increase upon it! --Aristeo 10:29, 31 May 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Sandbox?

Sandbox?
I think it would be cool if we had a sandbox. --Aristeo 16:48, 24 May 2006 (EDT)

Guess what?!  Done and done.  The Sandbox is now up and running. --red cactus 07:41, 30 May 2006 (EDT).
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Why Put Quests Under "Quests" Article?

Why Put Quests Under "Quests" Article?
I just finished putting all of the Morrowind Main Quests under Morrowind:Quests/, and I'm wondering why we do it? Doesn't this infringe the namespace policy? Should we continue to do this or should we move the quests back to the main namespace? I think we should move the pages back to the main namespace to keep confusion down and because of our namespace policy (which states that we shouldn't have sub namespaces). 

:I think you're just trying to find ways to keep boosting your edit count! :) One reason is to distinguish between quests and people/places with the same name, i.e.    vs   , or    vs   .--Nephele 12:45, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

::That's what disambiguation pages are for. For instance,  links to both  and .    could be renamed to   , and    could be renamed to   . The    redirect could then be turned into a disambig page. And no, I'm not just looking for ways to boost up my edit count, I'm just doing repetitive jobs that just need to be done. Besides, it's high enough already. ;P --Aristeo 14:04, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

:Doing some research, it seems like everyone was either against or neutral about putting things under /Quests in general. Not only does this make the titles look tacky, but it is against the namespace policy. And I'm sure this confuses the stew out of new readers on the wiki. (Putting things under namespaces is bad enough.) Therefore, I think we should move everything under /Quests back to their proper namespace. --Aristeo 02:01, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

::I agree that the disambiguation pages could easily cover the cases where there is overlap/confusion between people/places and quests.  And it does seem more efficient than having to type in "Quests/" for the 99% of articles that don't have any issues with confusion.  Finally, at this point I'll vote yes to anything that introduces consistency: until all the pages are set up the same way, all of the quest link templates are almost useless.--Nephele 02:16, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

:::Cool. What does everyone else think? --Aristeo 03:03, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

:::I went ahead and started converting them, as I noticed that even the Oblivion quests were under the Quests/ pages sporadically. It was painful, but I did it. Some of the links still need to be fixed, but all of the pages have been moved to my knowledge. --Aristeo 21:55, 20 July 2006 (EDT)

::::I'm in favour of this move. I was never very happy with subpages, since they create a bread crumb of their own (apart of the one we already have) and make the page titles longer. I beleive there's also Places and Books subpages as well as Quest. Would you like to move them as well? --DrPhoton 02:57, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::I didn't see any subpages under Places (looked under Oblivion and Tamriel namespaces). As for books, I believe we would have to talk to a few more people because the Tamriel books are more established. (As for the Oblivion quests, they were sporatically under Oblivion:Quests.) --Aristeo 15:47, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Template Problems

Template Problems

I'm having problems right now at , as described at  with transclusions not being pulled into a template.  When I try to understand the wikimedia help pages, it looks like they are doing similar things in their examples.  In other words, they are able to use   within input to a template without the template thinking that the braces mark the end of its input.  Can anyone who understands this stuff better confirm?  In other words, am I messing up, or am I trying to do something that's just not possible, or am I doing something that requires wiki here to be updated? --Nephele 16:00, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

:Are you trying to make a nested transclusion? For example, are you trying to transclude something as a parameter for a template? I tried that before, and it didn't work. --Aristeo 17:49, 22 July 2006 (EDT)

::Yeah, that sounds like the right technical term for it.  FYI, I decided to move the broken version of Sancre Tor to .  The quick version of what I'm trying to do is to make my sandbox copy look the same as  by getting the   transclusion to work. --Nephele 17:52, 22 July 2006 (EDT)
:::One way to get this working would be to use    , thus allowing filling in only  , which should work. Of course if that message isn't always going to be transcluded this isn't going to work. Garrett  20:42, 29 July 2006 (EDT)
::::My quick test suggests that doing that will make empty braces, i.e.  , appear on the 99% of the pages that don't have any AddAbove text.  I'm holding out hope for a wiki upgrade to miraculously solve all of the world's problems... or at least a few of these types of problems.  In the meantime, Sancre Tor appears normal to readers, which is probably what matters short term.  But thanks for the suggestion.  --Nephele 22:29, 29 July 2006 (EDT)
:::::Ah, I thought as much. :( Well, next time the wiki is upgraded this can be fixed by making it an optional parameter (which means it won't render at all if left blank). Garrett  01:17, 30 July 2006 (EDT)
::::::That's exactly what I was hoping for, and then not having to go through 100 place pages just to add a blank "AddAbove=" parameter to their summaries. --Nephele 01:26, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Yay! This problem has officially been fixed by the wiki upgrade --Nephele 18:31, 30 July 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Page Archive

Page Archive
I just archived everything from Feb 2005 to June 2006 into Community Portal/Archive 1 by moving the page and re-creating this one, because this page was getting too cluttered and long with old conversation. If you want to start discussing something from that page, you can either link to it from this page, or move the discussion back over here at your discretion. --Aristeo 12:51, 29 June 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Site Search Engine

Site Search Engine
Would it be a good idea to put some redirects in the main namespace that point to other articles? At this time if we typed in, for example, "Vvardenfell", it would give us a listing of suggestions, one of them being "Morrowind:Vvardenfell". But if we put some redirects in there, particularly one called "Vvardenfell", it would take the user directly to page. I don't see any cons to this. What do you all think? --Aristeo 18:30, 29 June 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Races

Races
Something I've just realized that is so obvious: this site has no information on races or attributes. A nice addition would be a page just for races listing each skill, power, and ability benefit for all races and genders. There's already a race description page, but that just gives a history and lore synopsis. GameBanshee has a nice layout for each race and its attributes. -Werdnanoslen 13:13, 3 August 2006 (EDT)
:I'm guessing you mean specifically for Morrowind, because there are pages like  and . --Nephele 13:21, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

What we need to do is merge the Oblivion and Morrowind sections into Tamriel, since races aren't a game specific thing. Then we can introduce the game specific information as a footer for each page. --Aristeo 17:18, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Stubs are up, used the same format from the Oblivian races page, edited for Morrowind. I've also got a big groovy table to skill bonuses listing all the races which I'm not completely sure where to put. i.e. I'll throw the information up, but it'll still needs trails and linking (as I haven't quite figured out how to do that yet).--WrathofDog 23:57, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Attribute tables are up --WrathofDog 00:35, 4 August 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Affiliates

Affiliates
I think it would be cool if we had a link-exchange system with some of the other bigger Elder Scrolls sites, such as Planet Elder Scrolls and Elder Scrolls Files. We could do this by changing the "Links" section on the left menu to "Affiliates", and then we could give a link to the sites that link to us. We'll also need to create a 88x31 button that other sites could put on their menu.  --Aristeo 23:00, 3 July 2006 (EDT)
:I created , and removed the links off the left side of the page. None of those pages link back to us on their left side menus. If they or anyone else want to affiliate with us, we can put some affiliate links up there. --Aristeo 20:37, 17 July 2006 (EDT)
::I would put a link to the  page on the side menu then. --DrPhoton 03:05, 18 July 2006 (EDT)
::: Done --Aristeo 03:20, 18 July 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Bread Crumb Trail Class

Bread Crumb Trail Class
Seems like the bread crumb trails are standardized. I've been   contributing diligently with css classes, and if you all want me to, I can make it so that all you have to do is type in   or something equivalent to it, and the crumb trail css formatting would be magically set up. It'll make things easier on newcomers who want to make breadcrumbs, and everyone else as well. --Aristeo 14:14, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Editing vs. Community Portal

Editing vs. Community Portal
On most wikis, this page is called the "Community Portal". Should we conform to make it easier for new editors? Or should I not touch anything and leave the page where it is? --Aristeo 00:04, 6 July 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Game Descriptions

Game Descriptions
I think it would be cool if every game had a general description of what it was about. --Aristeo 21:08, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

:I think this is a very good idea! I've been missing this description myself. I would also recommend writing a plot introduction on each of the quest series, so that the player can decide whether is interesting to pursue a series or not. --DrPhoton 03:38, 4 July 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP IRC Meeting

IRC Meeting
When should we have the next IRC meeting? It's imperative that Daveh attends, as as many members of the project as possible. Daveh said that anytime is fine, but he is usually less busy on weekends and later in the evenings (+9pm EST). I myself am pretty much avaliable all the time. Consideration needs to be taken with people who live in Europe as well as the American and Oceanic contenients, as we need to find a time that will work with both time zone locations.

Also, if you need help with getting onto IRC and using the commands, Magnus and I can help you out.--Aristeo 16:12, 29 June 2006 (EDT)

:"Consideration needs to be taken with people who live in Europe as well as the American contenients, as we need to find a time that will work with both time zone locations."
:Fine. Forget about your Oceanic compatriots.

:9pm EST is 11am for Australia so that is fine, if it could be 9pm on a Saturday your time then that would be most excellent. --rkMerafel 05:35, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

::Cool. :D --Aristeo 11:17, 2 July 2006 (EDT)

::Nah, this dude lives in Western Aus somewhere (GMT+9:00). Aristeo, if you wanna convert to "Australian time" then I suggest you use GMT+9:30 as it's Australian Central and thus only 0:30 each way for Perth/Sydney (west/east coasts). We should say 9pm EST is 11:30am for "Australia" which is a great time for me.

::And Aristeo? About how I emailed you telling you I woulda attended the original meeting but it was too early for me to get up... well that's because I incorrectly calculated the meeting time to be 7:15am my local time :/

::WORLD TIME :(
::--teh dave Saturday 8th July 2006 (ACST = GMT+9:30)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Upgrade

Upgrade

If you have any feedback on today's site upgrade, a separate page has been set up to collect information specific to the upgrade: . --Nephele 18:58, 30 July 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Image rights

Image rights

The Image Rights drop-down list on the Upload Image page is missing one option:

"I created this graphic myself, and release it to the public domain."

Just created several icons, which while they're based on original graphics from the game, are so altered that it's more my work than anything else.  For now I'll just use the same option as I did for the others, since they do contain original game source, but this might be a good option to include. --TheRealLurlock 22:35, 31 July 2006 (EDT)
:Try using the "Public Domain" license "Released into the Public Domain by the copyright holder". Since its your work you are the copyright holder and can release it like this. Unless this license doesn't exactly match what you wanted? -- DaveH 22:39, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

:You can edit the license once you pick it. It's just an automatic template transclusion onto the page. --Aristeo 22:42, 31 July 2006 (EDT)
::You could also type just     (or whatever it's called) in the main description box. Garrett  23:05, 31 July 2006 (EDT)

:::I just called the public domain template  . 

:If the image is owned by Bethesda, put a   tag on it. If it's a screenshot, put a   tag on it. None of those images, from what I've seen, have recieved enough of a make over to be illegable for copyright. Lastly, if you want to make you own image copyright template, feel free to do so. --Aristeo 10:10, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Archive 2

Archive #2
I just archived this page to , as I was under the influence that there weren't any active conversations on this page. I'm not 100% sure if I'm correct, so if you feel any of the conversations that I archived were active, feel free to unarchive back to this page. Alternativly, if you have something to contribute to any inactive conversations, feel free to do the same. —Aristeo 09:19, 7 August 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Noticeboards

Noticeboards
I've noticed two systems of Wikipedia recently called "" and "". These two places are message boards, similar to this talk page and the configuration talk page. Wikipedia feels that talk pages are for discussion of the respective articles only (see note), and I'm wondering if we should feel the same way. If so, we could move this talk page to UESPWiki:Community Portal, move the configuration talk page to UESPWiki:Admin Noticeboard, and make a lot of similar moves to talk pages that don't talk about their article. --Aristeo 09:29, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

I talked to Nephele through IRC and she said that she liked the idea. Does anyone else have any opinions? --Aristeo 16:35, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Done, just have to clean up. --Aristeo 17:27, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Integrated Forums

Integrated Forums
With the parser functions, string functions, wiki upgrade, and the input box, I could develop a forum out of wiki code right here on the site. This could provide a clean, organized place to plan out decisions on the site. Tell me if this is something you all are interested in. --Aristeo 21:07, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

:Sounds like it could be a useful way to discuss things sometimes, instead of some of the long discussions that end up filling talk pages (and then aren't really needed any more once the issue has been worked out).  I think it would be most useful if it was a forum primarily used to discuss issues related to the site (format, content of pages, etc).  The existing forum could continue to be used for more general game-related questions.  My two cents. --Nephele 21:26, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

:It's not a high priority for myself but feel free to play around and see what you can come up with if you want. -- DaveH 23:10, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

::Not a high priority for me either. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought before I started. --Aristeo 14:06, 18 August 2006 (EDT)

Yeah sounds like a great idea to me it would make it easier to use i think. Also, if it was used mainly to help newcomers work out the formatting and how-to-use the website basically that would be a big improvement i think.--Konnajb 07:04, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP File Management System

File Management System
The last 'big' thing on my to do list is getting in place some sort of system for handling file uploads/downloads for patches, mods, utilities etc.... There are a few options here ranging from extremely simple to completely custom as mentioned briefly in the File Database Design. The simplest would just to use the Image: namespace in the Wiki although it may be too simple. While I don't intend to turn the site into a major file distributor I think there still needs to be a decent system in place for handling 1000s of files in some organized fashion. My main objective in the near future is to archive all significant Morrowind mods before the Morrowind sites start to disappear. 

It will be mostly me implementing the system, whatever it is, but thoughts and comments from everyone are desired. -- DaveH 23:32, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

:I think we could start by cleaning up that section using categories. The first major sections could be "File" and "Image", then we could further seperate it by game, etc. I've already started organizing everything by license. --Aristeo 06:15, 13 August 2006 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Morrowind Houses

Morrowind Houses
Yesterday i created the page morrowind houses as i thought alot of people would benefit from this as it is a very cool part of the game, though not an official part like oblivions houses for sale. I have successfully done the Caldera part of this subject and will be doing alot more along the way starting with Ald Ruhn next. So i would just like to say that if any one else feels the need to add their own houses in Ald Ruhn or wherever can it be in the same format as the caldera one i.e. big and spacious as one title and small and cosy for another in the table style created to create easy navigation around the site cheerz peeps!--Konnajb 10:19, 11 August 2006 (EDT)
: Cool. Can we have a link, please? --Aristeo 21:00, 12 August 2006 (EDT)
sure My houses section hope ya all like not much done at the moment though
Sox peeps bin out a lot lately and i hav to go for a bit longer if any1 could finish the sadrith mora section in my formatting it would b appreciated
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Sidebar Capitalization

Sidebar Capitalization
Might I suggest that the words in the sidebar be held to the same principles of capitalization as articles. I raise this motion only as it has continually struck me as...odd, that the link to the homepage is capitalized in both words (Main Page), whilst no other two-word link is (Featured articles; Recent changes; Random page; Community portal; Chat and support; etcetera).
I would like to suggest that the list be made to appear as follows...



...furthermore, I would like to suggest that the "p" in the privacy policy link at the bottom of the page be capitalized as well (i.e. = Privacy Policy). -- Booyah boy 04:38, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

:Because of the previous discussion above about capitalization, I went ahead and make the changes that you have suggested. If feedback for the switch is negative, I can always rollback those changes rather effortlessly. --Aristeo 19:43, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

::Hmm, I'll begin the feedback, if I might: I like it. It appears better than I had previously imagined it would. Thank you for acting so quickly on the suggestion, Aristeo. -- Booyah boy 09:16, 31 August 2006 (EDT)