UESPWiki:Deletion Review/Oblivion:Roleplaying (2)

:Please note that this is a second nomination. The first nomination can be found at .
I am re-nominating these pages for the same reason I supported the "Things to do when your bored" page being deleted, plus some. Basically each person will have a different oppinion on what "roles" should and shouldnt be put on the page. If they stay on userpages and sandboxes there will be less disagreements and things like that. By the time tesv or tesmmo comes out, youll see another set of "roleplaying pages" unless the pages are taken care of here first. Allowing roleplaying pages will give excuses to start fanfic pages, which should absolutely be kept on user/sandbox pages (unless you plan to publish or something). --Mikeyboy52 21:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

 
Support-These all need to go, I am a known Dubious Quality Hater. It is just plain Unencyclopedic.--             21:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Neutral - I believe that roleplaying pages, like characters and fanfiction, should be in User space only. If people desire to roleplay and need creative ideas, they can browse those pages or ask in a forum.  ‒      21:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:I've changed my vote to neutral. If Nephele's system is workable, and it sounds like it is, I think that's the best solution of all. Jplatinum16 also makes a good point that it's not just what the editors think of it, but what the readers think of it.  ‒      01:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Oppose - I would like to set up a proper system for moving this content (and various other pages dominated by user-specific content) into the user namespace.  Some of my recent system changes introduced the tools that I think we need in order to create such a system, but I haven't had time yet to finish writing up the ideas.   Part of the proposal will be a process for encouraging users to move the existing content into user pages, so that eventually it will be possible to clean up the Oblivion namespace. In the meantime, I'd prefer to not rush into deleting this set of articles and angering even more editors who have previously expressed that they don't want this content simply deleted from UESP.  --Nephele  21:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Addendum: I've posted my incomplete first draft of a plan for moving content to the userspace at UESPWiki:Community Portal#Moving User Content to User Namespace. --Nephele  22:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Supporti agree that the page is a little redundent but as nephele said it would bring a lot more vandels. mabye not as many as the things to do when you're bored page. but still it would bring more vandels--  21:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose &ndash; Per Nephele. We already host fan-fiction in the Userspace, so there isn't any harm in eventually hosting roleplaying material there as well. --Michaeldsuarez   22:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Partial Oppose - They might be a pain to keep clean, but it's arguably the most popular page on UESP, and thinking of readers before editors is important in my opinion. It's also basically the genre of Oblivion, and all Elder Scrolls games. I agree with Mikeyboy52 that people all have their own opinions on roles, but I also agree with Nephele that we shouldn't hastily delete these pages (and also that a system of maintaining these pages would be better then deleting them). My vote is partial, because I believe that the main roleplaying page should be kept for now, but the subpages aren't really needed (especially if we can merge them with the main page). -- Jplatinum16 22:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:*Nitpicking I feel compelled to point out that the page is not even on the Top 10 Most Viewed Pages, so I am going to say it isn't that popular. --Riddle 22:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC) 
:::I was taking into account the number of edits made to the main Roleplaying page and the # of times viewed, plus its subpage's... and that equals a lot of edits and views. But of course, I did say it was arguable. -- Jplatinum16 23:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
::Response To Nitpicking Neither are  or  should we delete them ?--  22:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Response to Nitpicking Even though  and  are not popular pages if somebody needing help in those games came to the site they can find help, as I read somewhere on this site the site is designed to help TES players, these roleplaying games dont actually help anybody and they dont enchance your gaming experience as soem users are saying, these pages should be deleted and users who want these pages could put it on thier user pages Arny 08:46, 8 June 2010 (UTC) 
::::Please see further down the page where I have provided a link to my clarification.--  14:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Oppose Per Nephele and Michealdsuarez.--  22:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

comment heres a thouht how about we get rid of all the secondery(thif merchent etc.)pages and just keep the main?--  23:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:There's a Community discussion. --Michaeldsuarez   00:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC) 

Clarification Please see my response to Riddle on my talk page to clarify my position.--  00:08, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
SupportAs proposer, but gum's idea is good too, it would limit it to the more obvious ones, such as warrior, mage, thief etc. Very few people would role-play Darth Vader for a long time (I think that was on the criminal one at one point) Mikeyboy52 02:01, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
:Nephele's idea is alright also ;D But what user would we put it under? Mikeyboy52 02:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Per Nephele, and I think that a roleplaying page is a great way to give people ideas on how to enhance their gaming experience, and since the game is a role-playing game, I also believe that this page is somewhat necessary to make UESP a more complete and unique wiki. APSX3427 04:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support This page does not have any useful information, and (APSX3427) it does not enhance your gaming experience at all, I not sure people even visit this page, I think all pages like this should be deleted --Arny 08:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Per Nephele. I need to add that I can't even get through a single roleplaying idea on any of the pages, so I would like to see them go - or move them to the namespace suggested. I'll await Nephele's results, because I'll also have to admit that the amount of info and ideas on the pages are massive and it would be better to keep it in some form. --Krusty 08:36, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose: In the previous DR I voted a Partial Support for deleting the article, but I think most of the issues I raised back then with Oblivion:Roleplaying are solved. Some editors spent a lot of good effort on cleaning the articles and this has resulted in fewer articles of better quality (believe me) than there used to be. I think such an expansive game as Oblivion is bound to have a few articles that try to inspire players by providing ideas (a concept that is the usual path of the cluttered "What-you-and-I-like forum-style topics). When the first DR was around, the Oblivion:Gripes, Tes4Mod:Mod Ideas and the ''Oblivion:Things to Do When You're Bored were still here, since they have gone I think there is less clutter on the wiki, so we can spend more effort on maintaining the few more rebellious articles out there. --Timenn-  14:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose''' This page DOES have useful information, and it DOES enhance your gaming experience. It gave me a lot of ideas that would make the game more fun for me. If it must be changed, could we make a page for roleplaying the default classes? That might make more sense, since it would give players a better understanding of their characters. It's kinda sad to delete the "Roleplaying" page on a role playing game, but I see the danger of making it a "stuff to do" page. Maybe it should be a "stuff people do" page, where it lists what NPCs of a certain class do all day? At the very least, put some links up to good roleplaying idea sites. Don't just kill it. --Zander490 14:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose I've tried several different roleplaying ideas and had fun with lots of them( especially the religious ones ) It lets you experience something after youve already beat the game, loved it, but are tired of the main storyline. It made the game more fun to me. I agree with the above comment on if it must be changed that it would be cool to have the classes for roleplaying. --Doom Knight 01:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Very Strongly Oppose: I'm not an user here so if you want you can delete this comment, but I would be at least disappointed if this page will be deleted. When you've finished the main quest, it's nice to have some others ideas to change the game and "live the life again". Why to delete it, anyway? It doesn't take up precious space, it's written well... why? As long it regards me, I downloaded this page onto my desktop. Do what you want.--195.60.143.253 09:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose The article has some really good ways to spice up your gameplay, some of them not so obvious and banal, so I would not like to see it being deleted - it's just too big amount of work going down the drain. Nevertheless, if we have to do something about it, moving it into user namespaces is the best idea because then it will a) give a bigger level of freedom to express one's ideas, as opposed to nowadays' situation with too much restrictions for the Roleplaying article to fit in with more serious articles; b) keep away non-encyclopedic content from the Oblivion namespace; c) save a fair amount of information already given. Buteogallus 10:27, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Roleplay is a big part of Oblivion, especially for those who have finished all quests such as myself. I (and probably many others) refer to this page often when creating a character or simply trying to enchance my gameing experience. I may not be a user but I'd happily become on to keep this page up. :)  

 
''(As a side note, we should all have been using "Keep", "Delete", etc., but I saw little point and a lot of problems with changing other users' wording. I reverted to standard wording in the consensus.)''