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UESPWiki:Archive/CP Syntax tweak for preformatted text

Syntax tweak for preformatted text.

I'd like to propose to the MediaWiki syntax, if easily implemented. Basically it comes down to the removal of the parsing rule that converts a leading space to preformatted text. If I would type the following text with a leading space you would get:
 preformatted text.

Now regular editors have no problem avoiding this, as they are aware a leading space results to this. A new user is not aware of this, as many will have seen, and may be confused what part of his/her text is causing the preformatted text to appear. A leading space is not so obvious as, for exampe, four dashes ('-') resulting in a horizontal line.

Preformatted text can still be created with the     tags, and since likely all instances of this are coded this way I don't think there is going to be any additional editing necessary. All it would do is making editing easier for new users. Thoughts? --Timenn-  12:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

:My concern with this is that those who are already familiar with Wiki syntax could have difficulty figuring out that we allow    , but not a leading space.  I know I figured out the leading space style long before I discovered a pre tag, and I wouldn't be surprised if others were in the same position.  It might be especially confusing if we only change the parser, since people might look at the existing code and see that it was done using leading spaces and then wonder why theirs isn't working.  Or on the flip side, if we eliminate the syntax altogether, then we have to change every last instance of it on the site. —Robin Hood   21:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Oblivion:Useful Items

Oblivion:Useful_Items

Could someone make this page? I was thinking of a list of the really useful items in Oblivion, such as the Skeleton Key, Umbra/ Goldbrand, and others.  
:The problem with pages like this is that they're largely (if not entirely) based on personal opinion, which is something we try to avoid as much as possible.  There's no problem with creating such a list in user space, which I believe several other people have done, but I don't think it would be appropriate for an actual article. –Eshe  19:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Hide / Minimize Function

Hide / Minimize Function

There should be a function that hides everything shown until you click the SHOW button and the thing expands. In a Table of Contents, it says "Contents: Show", and when you click Show, it will say "Contents: Hide" and the contents are shown. This would be to make it so you would not have to scroll constantly through seemingly uninteresting information. A lot of information could on a page, and a lot of info would be interesting to a lot of people, but those people who are not interested by it could just click HIDE and a long list of every quest would minimize down to "Quests" without any info. Maybe add it right next to a section of a page. 

Example: 
If there was a "Bows" = section , and under it were two == sections, Light Bows and Heavy Bows, and you minimize the Bows = section, it would minimize both of the == sections. If you only minimize Light Bows, then only that would be minimized.--Minimang 22:38, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, we have a template for that:  ;). –Eshe  00:04, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
::That does not work. It simply is really freaking broken. I mean it DOES NOT WORK. *sorry, I'm really frustrated because Ive been trying to use that for 20 minutes now and it doesnt work. If I put the entire block of text (see the following) in, it makes the template / list of apparel i am trying to hide invisible even if I click show. Here see my example and please tell me what I am doing wrong :(

  
 
    
::--Minimang 00:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

:::The template does work, but I'm not sure if it's table-friendly.  The first example I can think of for seeing the template in action is my sandbox (here).  I didn't write the template myself, so I'm not sure how to tweak things to make it work with tables.  In fact I'm not sure it can be done at all.  Anybody know if/how that works? –Eshe  02:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
::::It looks to me like GK, Elliot and Lukish have been kicking around the idea of adding ShowHide to the location tables here to try and clean things up, but I have no idea if they've managed to pull it off, or even if that's what they're trying to do in the first place. Dlarsh  03:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::The template works within tables well enough (I have an example on my talk page, actually)...it's tables inside the template that I'm not sure about.  I feel like it should work, but I haven't managed to get it right yet. 
:::::Also, I'm pretty sure they're trying to enable show/hide in the Place Summary for pages like , which have a really long list of location codes that messes with the rest of the page's formatting.  Wish 'em luck, cuz it'll be a great improvement! –Eshe  03:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::It's simple:
  
 
   
::::::The problem is putting table parts within the showhide. –Elliot   03:29, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Talk Page Deletion

Talk Page Deletion
Alright, it has come to my attention that there is a disagreement about whether talk pages where questions are incorrectly posted should be deleted after the question is moved. An example of this situation is . I will post my full opinions on it a bit later, but I know a few other people need a place to discuss this.--Ratwar 00:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

:Oh I'd say keep them for historical reasons. This isn't an obtuse wiki and those bits and pieces can't be too bad for it. I'd say they even add character.

:There will probably be a page there eventually, so it's only taking up a stubs space. Even when a page is deleted, its revision history remains in the database, so there would only be a very trivial, almost cosmetic change.

:Outdated searches and web caches will probably have the old page, so the redirect will help people find what they were initially looking for. A 404 is worse than a blank page with a redirect.

:Someone might make the same mistake and find someone has already created the unrelated question or comment on the talk page, and follow the redirect instead of making a similar mistake as the first person.

:We should remember that we're all here in Good Faith. We don't need to make a huge deal about deletions or contributions unless they are "blatant vandalism, lying, and unwillingness to collaborate." Whatever needs to be done to make a crisp, organized wiki will make us all happy in the end.     Lukish    01:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

::As the one who proposed the page for deletion, I want to assure everyone that I assumed good faith of the editor.  I simply prodded the page because after the question was moved, there was no purpose for the page any longer.  That being said, I can see Lukish's points, and I agree with them, I had no intention of creating a debate on the topic.  As an aside, there was a small disscussion on Elliot's talk page ( ?) about this very incident. Dlarsh  04:11, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

:::I prefer the idea of deleting such redirects/move explanations and instead inform the editor who posted the question. The exception in this case is when discussion of a larger scale (when someone has already replied) is taking place. In that case leave the move notification in place. 

:::The reason we prefer non-existant talk pages over (practically) empty ones is that you can immediately see when a discussion has been opened for a specific article or not (the red link). It's also in line with the guideline we have for normal articles. They shouldn't exist simply as placeholders.

:::The idea for a search engine is that users find the article they are looking for, not a seemingly related question on a talk page. --Timenn-  08:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Morrowind Pickpocketing article

Morrowind Pickpocketing article

Having just started playing Morrowind recently, I'm still rather uneducated on much of the game. Still, I wish to create an article here, as I feel this wiki should at the very least explain HOW to pickpocket someone, if not give some idea as to how BEST pickpocket someone. Before I begin, however, it'd be handy if someone could verify my thoughts thus far:

It seems the common consensus online that Sneak is the skill exclusively required for pickpocketing. While you obviously need Sneak in order to look inside your mark's pockets, the Xbox manual states that it is the Security skill that states your chance of success (as well as how many of the items you'll actually see on them).

It seems that a check is done when you attempt to lift an item, and when you close the mark's inventory. If you fail to take the item, the inventory screen closes, everyone nearby becomes hostile and the guards are alerted. Likewise if you successfully take the item, but fail to "safely" close the inventory. Failing the "close inventory" check will alert the guards regardless of whether you attempted to take an item. This discussion mentions that there are in fact two checks per item lifted. If you attempt to take a pile of items in one go (eg 10 gold), does the pile count as a single item?

Using the Xbox Classics version of the game, it seems chance of success is excessively low. As in, with full (100) security/sneak/agility/chameleon, plus with high luck and invisibility active, standing directly behind a mark... You're still very unlikely to grab an item weighing 0.1 units off someone, let alone get away with it. It seems if you manage to take one item from someone, you'll be able to take them all. Is this version dependent, a bug, or am I just missing something?

Seems to me that holding down "sneak" mode doesn't have any affect on the matter.

- Bomb Bloke 10:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Elder scrolls etymology

Elder scrolls etymology

I made short Elder scrolls etymology using various dictionaries.I am not sure where to post this, so will post it here.
UESPWiki:Archive/CP New info

New info

I don't know if anybody wrote this but I have an awesome news!
 
TES V will be embedded 200 years after Oblivion Crisis!!! 
TES V will come soon(relative in due time, of course:P) 

Where will TESV have place?
My types: Summerset Isle and Morrowind(mainland and Vvardenfell)
What's your opinion? 
Morihaus 08:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:As the article itself states, it's a very thin rumor. Until Bethesda or someone directly owned by the company gives an official statement on the matter, it'll remain just that. Dlarsh  13:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP tl Template

Template

Do we already have a template similar to the   template they have at Wikipedia?  If not, would anybody mind if I created it (albeit with much simpler documentation)?  It's quite useful and saves a lot of nowiki tags everywhere. :) --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 03:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:Whoa, I'm shocked I haven't seen that one. I think we should use it! –Elliot   03:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::We may also want  , which would be especially useful on the  page, if nowhere else. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 03:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, I've re-created the   template.  Could one of you template-y types have a look at both it and the docs and see if I've done everything correctly?  It probably needs categories, but I don't do much in the way of page/tempate creation, so I honestly haven't looked at how to do categories and I wouldn't know which one(s) to put it in anyway.

:::Next question:  should I import tl2, tlp, and tlx, or should I try to combine tl/tl2 and tlp/tlx, or should I even try to combine all four?  Tl and tl2 are probably good just for the fact that they're small, but I'm not sure if it's necessary to separate them and the tlp/tlx pair just for a font change.  I don't know if the monospaced font can be put as a parameter, but I suspect that should be doable, if challenging for me, given my current knowledge of template creation. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 02:37, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

::::Okay, at long last, all four templates are now done.  I didn't rip them straight from Wikipedia, instead opting to combine the styles from each of them on Wikipedia (they're drastically different, there) and harmonize them.  I also opted to keep all four under the same names as Wikipedia uses, just to make the knowledge-transfer from one to the other a little easier.  Can someone have a look over them when they have a chance, just to make sure I didn't do anything massively wrong?  Thanks! —Robin Hood   20:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Uncategorized files

Uncategorized files

There were 24 files in the  list, so I added categories to all of them. I don't know anything about licensing though, so someone who knows more about it should double-check my choices. I probably wasn't very consistent. Some were proposed for deletion or were user images, here are the others:

Joram 04:06, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

:Those are not the only uncategorized files.   adds a category to the files it is used on, so those won't show up on . All the map files are uncategorized for example. --   / talk'' 22:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

:: Oops - I didn't see this when you first posted it.
:: I have a RoBoT task that scans the images and looks for ones without proper categories, because Nx is right - there are many more uncategorized files than that. It takes a long time to run though. I'll try to run it sometime soon, but there is a lot of change on images at the moment and I'd rather any list it came up with wasn't made obsolete almost overnight. –rpeh     22:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
::: This is relevant because of this. I created two cats (:Category:Oblivion-Map Images and :Category:Shivering-Map Images), but didn't want to start categorizing images in case you can do it with a bot. --   / talk'' 22:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Wanted Categories

Wanted Categories

I went through  and created categories for most. There are 3 left.
 
 
 
Joram 05:11, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

:I created the Signature templates category and added my own /sig page so scratched out that too. ?     23:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Trail Template

Trail Template

I just posted a new version of the Trail template (the links at the top left of every page). It's used all over the site so please tell me if any problems crop up and revert it if necessary. Joram 02:27, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

:So far I haven't seen any problems. The template certainly seems to make things simpler. --Timenn-  15:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP userboxes

userboxes

can someone tell me how to get on your page"this user is a breton" and "this user is knowlegable about oblivion and "this user is knowlegable about Knights of the nine  
:See  and its subpages for a list od pre-defined userboxes. See  for information on how to create customized userboxes. If you see an userbox on an user page that you like to use, the best way to find out which userbox it is is to view the source of that user page (click the edit button or add   to the page's URL). --Michaeldsuarez   01:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Written by Anonymous

Written by Anonymous

Currently, we have a large number of books that are apparently written by someone called Anonymous.

To me, it makes more sense that these "authors" are removed, which would cause all affected books to display nothing for their authors. With the removal of /author subpages, this is pretty easy to do with a bot - or even by going through one at a time. Since this is changing content rather than simply re-organising it, it's necessary to consult the community first. So, community, what dost thou think? –rpeh     22:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

:Makes sense to me; however, I think we should probably keep it for the few that actually say "Anonymous", like Ahzirr Traajijazeri.  --GK  05:12, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

:: Good point. Assuming this goes ahead, I'll have the bot exclude those cases. –rpeh     14:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

:::Yup, agreed (both with the proposal and GK's suggestion)! Still waiting for community to say something though. ;) --Timenn-  11:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

::::Just to make it clear to me, the books rpeh linked to are books which have no author in the game itself and are therefore books we labeled as written by anonymous? And the book GK linked to is a book which has as author "anonymous" in the game? If that's the case I agree with the proposal and GK's suggestion.           18:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::Wolok: yep.  --GK  18:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

::::::Okay, it's been a week so I ran it. If a book says "Anonymous" as an author now, I'm 99% sure it's because it says that in the game. In case you're interested, the only one in my original list that is supposed to say Anonymous is Trap. rpeh  18:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Gameinfo Template

Gameinfo Template
Recently, I made a change to the front pages for most of the games, combining the tables and images, and Joram followed up with a new   template.  Elliot reverted all of these changes.  Compare the current versions listed below along with the revisions beside them that show the pages using the new template:
(using template)
(using template)
(using template)
(using template)
:Dawnstar (using template)
(using template)
(using template)
(using template)
(using template)
(using template)
:Stormhold (using template)
(using template)
Personally, I feel that it looks much better to get that little table out of the middle of the page and on the side, under the main box art.  Any thoughts from anyone else?  --GK  03:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:I like it both ways. The template gives consistency to all the games which is a bonus. If a small table is preferred the same template can be used by removing the box art. ?     04:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::I think the new layout - with the template - is much better than the old version. I've never liked having a table stuck in the middle of the page but putting it beneath the first box picture works really well. Update: I'd make the box a bit wider though. Not too much, but I get quite a bit of wrap going on with some of the games. –rpeh     09:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::: I like it too. There is definitely better layout to be won from using the template and it looks so much better with the infobox placed under the cover. --Krusty 11:51, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

::::I liked the initiative shown and I prefer the new layout. It reminds me of the usual informative sidebars of Wikipedia, which look better unorganized than the loose table and images. All I would suggest is to increase the top and bottom margins of the table a bit, to make it better distinguishable from the cover images. --Timenn-  12:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::Like this? ''[Removed by author]''

:::::I tried it as a single table but couldn't get the cells above and below the middle table to be transparent and borderless. ?     19:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


\=> You don't need a table if you just want to align a couple of elements. See here for my example on how it would appear with the extra margin. It seems that the thumbnails already require some margin themselves. --Timenn-  12:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:Even simpler and it gets back to the thumbnails used in the original design. I was getting a tad table-happy. ?     20:00, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

::Tomorrow will be a week since the proposal, so can I request one of you update the template so it can be used?  Thanks!  --GK  02:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm on it. ?     03:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

::::Got distracted but it's done now with a minor improvement. ?     04:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP A couple of questions

A couple of questions
Is it okay if I upload a picture of my character to my user page, even if I'm using third-party mods for PC for my armor? Also, I tried joining IRC (#UESPWiki), but it said I was banned from it. Why is this? I've never even been to it before, unless temporarily joining for a second, with nobody else I could see on, and not saying anything is ban-worthy.  --  Renas   23:30, 13 January 2010 (UTC) --
:continued at   --GK  00:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Category Changes

Category Changes

For all the template designers, I noticed a few problems with the Template categories and have made some small changes. Some templates that were in :Category:Sub-Templates I moved to :Category:Template Subpages, what was left were all metatemplates so I created a new category for them and proposed the old one for deletion. –     20:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Permanently Salted

Permanently Salted

Just a little note: I've permanently protected   from creation by new or unregistered users.  It's been created multiple times by IPs, consisting only of nonsense or spam every time, since August of '09.  I'm assuming it's being targeted because of the "Journal" in the title.  Since it's permanent, I thought I'd bring it up here.  If anyone disagrees, please let me know.  --GK  23:52, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Links in Descriptions

Links in Descriptions

To introduce this topic, let me paste in the soon-to-be-deleted conversation from [  Oblivion talk:Fort Carmala/Description]
 
This conversation is now moot thanks to Nephele's template changes. Basically, we can now define a variable called "trimlinks" on any place page that is getting overwhelmed with links and they will no longer appear. I've already done this on pages like  and . See this edit for an example of how simple it is to do. This only works with pages that use the   template, but there's no reason why the same principle can't be used elsewhere if necessary.

In summary: if people want to start adding links to descriptions, they can go ahead! rpeh  20:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

:Yup! Since the only issue with the links has now been addressed, nothing should stop people from adding links now. --Timenn-  15:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Kaspersky Virus Report Re: GoogleAds

Kaspersky Virus Report Re: GoogleAds

Please look into this.

1/25/2010 1:44:23 AM		Internet Explorer	Processing error: Trojan.JS.Redirector.ar		
98.212.219.148 06:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

:Google Ads. Not something supported by UESP, I'd think. And it's not really a major hit. Only shows that the links in the Google Ads are hitting a redirect, rather than a direct link. I'd call it a non-issue. Torinir 07:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Tribunal:Illusion Spells

middle|link|alt= Blind==
This effect obscures the vision of the victim, reducing his chance to hit an opponent with weapon or hand-to-hand attacks.


See Also
Tribunal:Spells

Spells

This a list of all spells available in the game, for sale at vendors or used by creatures.  For a list of vendors by location, see Spell Merchants.

Destruction Spells
Illusion Spells
Mysticism Spells
Restoration Spells

For more information on Spells and Spellcasting, see .
Tribunal:Destruction Spells

middle|link|alt= Damage Fatigue==


middle|link|alt= Damage Health==


middle|link|alt= Drain Health==


middle|link|alt= Fire Damage==


middle|link|alt= Frost Damage==


middle|link|alt= Poison==


middle|link|alt= Shock Damage==


See Also
Tribunal:Mysticism Spells

middle|link|alt= Absorb Health==


middle|link|alt= Dispel==


See Also
Tribunal:Restoration Spells

middle Fortify Attribute


middle Fortify Skill


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Shadowkey:Crushed Scroll

Meya Violet was a great merchant captain. Her selfless skills of negotiation made the Dragonstar guild great.

No one knows what took her that night. We honor her, and pray we can sustain her greatness.