UESPWiki:Patrollers/Nominations/Completed/2012

The Silencer
 

I'd like to renominate myself for patroller (and yes, technically I didn't nominate myself the first time). For those who don't know me, I'm always around, always watching, not always editing, but aware of most things happening on the wiki. I joined the site purely to add information, not even aware of patrolling, how it worked, or even it's existence. Now though, I feel I understand the role, even more than my first nomination. I have made numerous larger edits, with fewer errors in them each time, to the point of minor mistakes, if there are any to be seen.

For those who know me, I have changed my behavior drastically since the last vote. I was brash, I hardly used show preview anymore, I brushed mistakes off as acceptable when present in large edits. Now though, I am still confident, but confident in knowing that a few months of spellcheckers has improved me beyond compare with my former self. I also use show preview frequently, and have self taught myself some grammar issues that I didn't even grasp in school. I have also edited nearly 300 deleted pages (the difference between UsersEditCount and Editcount), of which the majority were spam, which shows how active I am, even though they are not listed under contributions either. 

I believe that the tools and rights available to patrollers will allow me to benefit the wiki and its community.

Votes

Support: Massive improvements have been made over the past few months. I haven't been editing much, if at all, but I've been watching. Good job. elliot   22:40, 25 November 2012 (GMT)
Support:You diffidently spend a lot of time on the recent changes. Also a lot of the qualms from last time seem resolved to me. And, given your handling of the current situation, I think that you would it fine, as a patroller.--Br3admax (talk) 22:46, 25 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: As the person who nominated you last time, I certainly have no hesitation in supporting you this time. I agree that you've gotten even better since your last nomination.  &ndash; Robin Hood    04:55, 26 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: Your edits have improved considerably since your past nomination, and I have no qualms with you receiving these rights. •        06:15, 26 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: I thought that you were already a Patroller! You've made some really great edits and you always seem to be around. I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't be one. RIM (talk) 12:06, 26 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: Your grammar's much nicer now and I'd be quite happy with you being a patroller.         20:45, 26 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: Although I haven't been editing for a long time, I do still check in, and I often see you in the Recent Changes, fixing things and the like. Plus, I thought you was a patroller already - Emoboy64 20:50, 26 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: +1. Now let's get a Spider-man and a Daredevil.      •   00:32, 27 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: I supported The Silencer at the time of his last nomination, and there's no doubt he's improved since then. —      00:41, 27 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: Echoing ABCface: I supported The Silencer at the time of his last nomination, and there's no doubt he's improved since then. --Krusty (talk) 07:15, 27 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: What they said.     ( • )  07:23, 27 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: Just thought I'd pop in after seeing this current nomination just to give my vote. The Silencer is astounding at the work he does on the wiki and basically everything of what has been said above me :) -   19:35, 29 November 2012 (GMT)
Support: I put some consideration into this, and ultimately came out supporting your nomination. While I have found that you are quick to argue in the past, I find that you are generally a good editor. You're dedicated, hardworking, and willing to improve on yourself. More importantly, you're already essentially doing the job, leaving little reason not to make it official. While I have some reservations, I'd gladly see you made patroller before I'd deny the request. --AKB   19:57, 29 November 2012 (GMT)
 

Helenaannevalentine
 

Well, I don't do a lot of nominations for other users, but I was talking about various wiki activities with Helena in the IRC, and I asked her about patrollership, remembering her previous nomination. Since then, she has shown dramatic improvements. I've caught her watching the Recent Changes on many occasions, and currently, she is doing fabulous work in sandboxes, where she is rewriting several Skyrim pages, as well as Dark Brotherhood Oblivion pages, not to mention her personality. I have always found an easy-going, yet serious personality to be a virtue that staffers need, as the people who respond most often respond to talk pages. I could continue to praise her in my nomination, but her above posted links would speak for themselves.

I accept this nomination and look forward to seeing what the others say to this nomination. Thanks Snowmane for the kind words! -   04:58, 3 October 2012 (GMT)

Votes
Support: as nominator --  ( • )  04:54, 3 October 2012 (GMT)
Support: Helena is more than ready to be a Patroller at this point. Her recent edits have been excellent, and she's been doing a lot of both major content updates, like  , as well as making minor improvements, like adding classes to NPC pages.  &ndash; Robin Hood    05:58, 4 October 2012 (GMT)
Support: For the reasons above.         14:55, 4 October 2012 (GMT)
Support: No problem with her edits being auto-patrolled here. --Alfwyn (talk) 15:39, 4 October 2012 (GMT)
Support: Looking back over Helena's previous nomination, the main concerns then were that she didn't watch the Recent Changes page or understand the patrolling process. At this point, it's clear that she watches the Recent Changes page, and viewing her patrol log, I can see that she does her part in patrolling Userspace. Her edits were excellent even before/during her first nomination, and if they have changed at all, they have improved. I don't see any reason not to support Helena to be a patroller, and would love to have her as part of the team. —      15:58, 4 October 2012 (GMT)
Oppose: I can't stress enough how much I hate to do this; Helena is a great editor, has an awesome attitude, and is a pleasure to work with.  I've seen her take on both small-scale edits and full rewrites (at an impressive speed!), and she is eager to jump in and help other editors, which I love.  I've seen her doing a little patrolling here and there too, which is also good (though I'd like to see more).  However, despite all this, I don't think her edits are ready to go unchecked just yet.  For example, I recently did a quick cleanup pass on , and I found quite a few things that needed changing.  Granted, a few of the changes I made were minor things or just stylistic preferences, but I found a number of mistakes that I would expect a patroller not to make (capitalizing the start of sentences, missing punctuation, missing words, some awkward syntax, etc.).  I know I'm pickier than most when it comes to grammar, but that's the job, and it's an important one.  I don't require perfection, but I need to see more consistently sound grammar before I'd feel comfortable supporting her nomination. With a little more practice, I think Helena would make an ideal patroller.  Right now, though, I don't think she's quite ready.  (I'm sorry, Helena!  I feel like such a jerk, but you're awesome, and I know you're going to get better with time.)         16:03, 4 October 2012 (GMT)
::Comment: Not that I'm dismissing the fact that I have made some minor mistakes on that article Eshe, also try to take into account the fact that I am currently undertaking multiple WIP's and although that is in no means an excuse for the minor mistakes I made in Accidents Happen. Also, nobody's perfect haha and clearly that was an example of my mistakes as such, but people learn from their mistakes and get better. (And it's okay Eshe, you're an awesome person too, and I don't take this thing to heart!) -   20:37, 4 October 2012 (GMT)
Oppose (Weakly): Well, I don't really like to do this too, but if I were to go with Neutral, then my vote doesn't really make a difference. Sorry Helena, you're a good editor, but me and Eshe are of one mind. Anyway, I agree to some extent about what Eshe brought up. I'm quite sensitive when it comes to grammar, capitalisation, punctuation, etc. These mistakes should be kept to a minimum or even none, if possible, in a full-fledged patroller, and like Eshe said, these good grammar habits should be internalised in you. And that encompasses just one part of a patroller's job. Also, I don't think banking on the fact that you do many WIPs helps you to draw support, as being a patroller is not just about revamping articles. And speaking of WIPs, I'm not really sure why RH chose this particular  . After completing her WIP, she replicated the entire article when transferring from her sandbox, and even after making subsequent small edits to the article, still didn't notice her mistake. Well, I don't think the people would want a careless patroller. Apart from that, I like what you did with various articles, though just one small problem is the layouts of articles like Karliah and Delvin (and yes, I'm speaking from personal experience xD). Improve these, coupled with use of proper spelling and grammar and use of proper style, and I'm sure you will be a splendid patroller one day. ~           19:20, 5 October 2012 (GMT)
Poor choice on my part. I picked her most recent WIP without really looking at it closely. Obviously, I should have. I did look at other edits of hers before supporting, but I just selected random edits and they all looked fine, so I guess this becomes about how much tolerance we have for mistakes. My vote remains unchanged, but I can certainly understand the Oppose votes as well.  &ndash; Robin Hood    19:59, 5 October 2012 (GMT)
Support: I too was voted in as Patroller, despite my frequent mistakes. I quickly learned, however, and soon had no problems. Knowing Helena, it will definitely be the same case here. Her mistakes are not frequent, especially considering the size and scale of her edits. •        01:16, 14 October 2012 (GMT)
Support: Wee awl maik sum missteaks. Small typos or irregularities here and there aren't the end of the world, and I'm convinced Helena is keeping them down to a reasonable level. She's careful enough that patrolling her edits is, by and large, a waste of time, and she's already doing the job of patrolling. She'd be a credit to the team.      •   03:21, 14 October 2012 (GMT)
Support: A quick check of her most recent edits didn't turn up anything that I would consider disqualifying, and the overall quality of her edits is outstanding. She will make a great addition. --Xyzzy     17:48, 14 October 2012 (GMT)
 

Xyzzy
 

I would like to nominate Xyzzy for Patroller. His edits are factually and grammatically correct, he knows wiki markup and rules, and he's willing to discuss article issues or doubts on talk pages. He's courteous with other users and welcomes a good number of them. He's also not lacking for activity, with 500 edits in only a month's time (200 of those in the Skyrim namespace alone). He is also aware of how patrolling works, having patrolled a number of edits in the userspace.

I humbly accept the nomination, and look forward to everybody's feedback. --Xyzzy    19:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Support: As nominator.         18:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Support: He's done a lot for UESp and I see his name on the recent changes page a lot. He's almost always right and rarely makes mistakes. Per Vely as well.--Enriquevv75 19:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Comment: I'm not overly familiar with him myself, so I don't feel it would be appropriate for me to place a vote, but from what I can gather, he's shown a remarkable aptitude for using the site, especially given the (relatively) short amount of time he's been active. He's also very courteous and knows the policies very well. From my limited interaction with him, he seems like a good fit. Again, my unfamiliarity with his edits as a whole would prevent me from knowing areas he might need to improve in, which is why I can't voice a definite opinion one way or the other. ThuumofReason 19:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Support!: I've had Xyzzy in mind as a future nomination for a while now, and wholeheartedly support him becoming a patroller. He has been active throughout his time as a registered user, making quality edits in the Skyrim namespace, uploading great images, and participating in community discussions, plus his use of both user and article talk pages is exemplary. It's obvious that he monitors the Recent Changes page regularly, and he basically does the bulk of the patrolling job already— just without the official tools. If he's not 100% sure of the validity of content added to a page, he takes the correct course of action by bringing the topic up for discussion to get input from other editors, and always waits for consensus before amending the article in question. His interactions with other users have been great, as he's always been courteous and polite, both on-site and in the IRC. (Even more to that point, he follows the 'assume good faith' policy better than many more-experienced editors!) His spelling and grammar are fantastic (which has been really nice when patrolling his edits!), and he has a great understanding of what's expected in terms of style and formatting on article pages. Though he has only been on the wiki a relatively short amount of time, he has learned very quickly, and when he does have questions, he's not afraid to ask other editors for help or advice. I can't see any reason not to support this nomination, and I think having Xyzzy as a patroller would definitely benefit the wiki!      21:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Support: After considering this all day, I cannot think of a single time I have disagreed with, nevermind change, any of his edits. The Silencer speaks    22:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Support: Per the reasons mentioned above. Very knowledgeable, friendly, follows the site guidelines very well, and has impeccable grammar. I really can't think of a reason to oppose this vote. •        01:59, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Support: No gripes whatsoever – Xyzzy is a great editor and a natural born patroller! --Krusty 21:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Support: I've been thinking he should be a Patroller for a while now. His grammar, spelling, and wiki formatting are excellent.  &ndash; Robin Hood    21:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Kimi the Elf
 

I would like to nominate Kimi the Elf to be the latest addition to our ranks. After speaking with her in the IRC, she is willing, and I see no reason why she can't. For the last seven months, she has made nothing but top notch edits in the Skyrim namespace, she has over 500 file edits filled with nothing but quality images, and most importantly, she approaches the day with a positive outlook, is always polite to IPs and registered users alike, and is someone who is willing to work things out with others.

I Accept!     (  &#124;  )   04:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Support: as nominator     ( • )  04:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Support: Kimi has been known to forget to use edit summaries, but she's been using them for a while now, so I have no qualms with this nomination. •      04:59, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Support: Long overdue. Kimi has my total support, despite my deep-seated abhorrence of elves.      •   06:11, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Support: Being half-elf myself I find no problems with Kimi. Her spelling and other writing skills are good, and she displays good patrolling skills without the extra tools. Kimi as a Patroller will only benefit the site. The Silencer speaks    08:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Comment: I'd just like to say that as someone who has recently been patrolled by Kimi, she was very helpful and displayed good initiative.  A credit to the wiki.  --—Daniellibus   11:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Support, Support, Support!: What can I say that hasn't already been said? ThuumofReason 12:45, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Support: As Jak said, my only concern with Kimi's edits some time ago was the lack of edit summaries. Now that she's using them regularly, I have no hesitation at all in supporting her as a Patroller.  &ndash; Robin Hood    13:33, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Support: I don't have time to say much, but I'll throw my vote in quickly so I don't miss the opportunity before it's closed. Full support!      23:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Support: Kimi should have been a patroller a long time ago; she’s cool, she makes great edits – and she has provided an awful lot of excellent images (and corresponding tweaks), along with incredible articles like this. Full support from me. --Krusty 23:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
: CONSENSUS: Support. (Speedy promotion) --Krusty 00:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The Silencer
 

I've been watching The Silencer for a while now, and in all honesty, I had some concerns about the grammar in some of his edits at first. More recently, however, I've noticed that he's making a very large number of high-quality edits, even catching things that other Patrollers and Admins have missed. His grammar and spelling have been fine in all the recent edits I've patrolled, he's been reverting a lot of vandalism, and he's welcomed a number of new users. All of this speaks well of his wiki skills, and I now feel quite confident in nominating him for Patroller.

I formally accept the nomination. All comments are welcome, as if refused I would like to know where people think I can improve. The Silencer speaks    18:28, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Support: As nominator.  &ndash; Robin Hood    05:39, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: He adds excellent content and his small fixes are great, but I still feel the need to check his edits. I see a number of issues frequently.   is one such edit. In  , there are more minor errors such as incorrect comma placement or missing commas; these aren't so bad, but they're frequent enough that I'd hesitate to support.         15:41, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: I really don't see any indication to believe this is appropriate. Some issues have thrown up some serious red flags, and I don't believe his edits should go unchecked. Plus, RobinHood, if you are that desperate to get more patrollers, there are better choices right now on the site. elliot   23:54, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Comment: Are you still bitter about that episode elliot? That issue was resolved when you had no prove for your accusations. The Silencer speaks    23:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
The comment directly above is a fine example as to why I oppose this nomination. elliot   00:00, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I do find it curious that this happens to be your third edit in 3 weeks. In direct response to your "controversy", isn't it funny that my compromise was accepted. The Silencer speaks    00:07, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to disappoint, but my inactivity has nothing to do with your lack of qualifications for patroller, as can bee seen from the two other members who have opposed this nomination. If I were you, I would focus on yourself, rather than trying to point the finger at other members. elliot   00:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: I think Velyanthe makes a great case. As an editor who frequently has to correct his own edits multiple times for mistakes he should have caught before making the first edit, I feel like a total hypocrite right now. Even though the Silencer is an excellent contributor and he is in some sense already doing the job, I wouldn't feel entirely comfortable removing his edits from the standard review process. Yet.      •   00:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Support: While some of his edits can be a bit ‘rushed’, that’s about the only negative thing I can say about The Silencer. He’s created some magnificent (and very, very time-consuming) pages, and he’s one of the busiest content editors at the moment. If he can promise to proof read his writings twice before posting (or, like me, get some friendly editor to help out with that), then he has my full support and I will change my vote to support immediately. Damn, how this sounds like my own nomination back in the day.... --Krusty 00:28, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
I think Silencer's recent activity shows that he's determined to improve the small grammar/spelling mistakes - so I'm convinced that he will improve even more in the future, and can be of great help as a patroller. One thing though - there's no real reason for arguing back and forth on a nomination like this; people are entitled to their opinion, and there's not really a chance that arguing will change anything. Despite this, I have changed my vote to support - good luck with the nomination. --Krusty 06:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Support: Like we all do, The Silencer makes mistakes here and there, but they aren't bad mistakes, and looking through his contributions, I don't find them to be frequent enough to be more than a minor (at best) concern. I think he can make for a good Patroller. Eric Snowmane (Talk &#124; Contribs &#124; Block) 00:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Neutral: I agree with Krusty. The Silencer is a great content editor, and if it wasn't for his occasional grammar mistakes then I'd support his nomination without a doubt. One major grammar mistake that I see all too often is not ending questions with a question mark. I've also noticed a few comma splices, fragments, and generally awkward phrasing. Content-wise, his contributions are excellent, but I don't feel very comfortable removing his edits from the standard review process (if I can borrow Minor Edits' phrasing). However, his grammar has improved a lot lately, and I'd be willing to go out on a limb and change my vote to support if he promised to proof read his edits more (like by copying it into Microsoft Word and using Spell Check). •      01:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
General Comment: I probably should have done it a long time ago, but I just downloaded six spellcheckers for firefox (a bit ott, but I need to see which ones I can work with and one is a Breton spellchecker). I also admit that I became lax with my unsigned fixes, frequently forgeting the 2 in {{Uns2. It is easy to make promises, but I will make a sincere attempt at improving my grammer and wording. For an example of how good I can be, I present Understone Keep, with two changes in spelling and one for grammer, in an article difference of 28K bytes (it was sandboxed). To address the rushed edits, what I do when redoing a page and discovering something useful, I "dump" that info onto the other page, which tends to be underdeveloped in any case. For example when I did The Raid, I dumped on Sarthis Idren, with three mistakes (one of which I was unaware there was a difference). The info is then present for when that page gets done. As a wikidragon I do concentrate on large edits, but the small things matter as well, and hopefully this addresses concerns. The Silencer speaks    04:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: You've done a ton of great work in both content and patroller-type edits (thank you!), but I still feel like your large-scale edits in particular require a more thorough second pass for spelling and grammar.  Your expansion of the Understone Keep page is great, and you should definitely be proud of it, but even in glancing over it just now I found a few grammatical errors that really ought to be fixed.  I think Krusty's advice could be really beneficial for you, though.  Stick to your spellcheckers, maybe get in the habit of having people proofread your bigger projects, and I'd be happy to support your next nomination :).  For now, as much as I really hate to say no, I feel like you're not quite ready yet.          13:39, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: Silencer has come a long way since he first joined the site. He's learning the ropes, and he has made many good edits. However, it seems that he still has a tendency to look before he leaps: In his haste to get a (well-intentioned) message across, he sometimes ends up posting things without a full understanding of what's going on. That's not a particularly good quality to have in a patroller. He's doing a good job, but I don't think he's quite "Patroller" material. ThuumofReason 14:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Comment: The point of that message still stands. In terms of the user in question, those things happened well after the message was posted. The Silencer speaks    14:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Comment: This raises another issue. Like elliot said, there's no need to lash out against the comments of voters. The ability to handle feedback is another important quality for an editor to have. Editors look to the admins and patrollers as role models, and being unable to take constructive criticism can set a poor example. Particularly here, in the voting process, it hurts your position to get defensive and try to refute the rationale of other users. The best thing to do would be to let everyone have their say in the matter. Humility is the key word here. I'm not trying to offend, as I said, I think you're doing a great job and certainly nobody can fault you for things everybody does now and again. But being a patroller means holding you to a higher standard than other rank and file users of the site, a standard which I don't think you meet just yet. ThuumofReason 14:47, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Comment: All I'm doing is showing where your arguments fail, so they don't influence others when they are wrong. Your argument is a clear example of the fallacist's fallacy, just because one example given turned out later to be wrong, does not exclude the whole argument when another example given still stands. I know I've been in the wrong in different places, which would be a far more effective example than one where I was right. The Silencer speaks    15:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

{{Consensus|Oppose}}
         14:35, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

SkoomaManiac
{{Userlinks|SkoomaManiac}}

Here goes, you all. I joined the site back in December of 2009 while playing my used copy of Oblivion. Even so, I was really just a lurker, although I NEVER completed a quest without checking the wiki for helpful hints first. I edited only a little bit, mostly talk pages. This changed, naturally, right after I got Skyrim. I, (in the very cliche way that everyone does), wanted to give back to the community what I had gotten out of it. I'll probably never be able to do that, but I'll at least make a good run for it!

Lately, I have been doing various Skyrim related cleanup and expansion, and I have been resizing and re-formatting images. I make a blunder here and there, but generally I think that I've done an okay job. I have a very good grasp of the English language, and bad grammar irks me. I am becoming very proficient in wiki markup. I have been a user patroller for a couple of months. I have recently begun visiting the IRC, and am very involved in community discussions.

I believe that I can do a lot of good for this site as a patroller. I hope you'll consider me. Thank you.

Votes
Oppose: First of, you don't have enough content edits in order to even qualify for a patroller. Second, it seems the community's advice has been ignored again. I recommended that you pursue content edits in order to get a better grasp of normal wiki procedure. I still don't believe you have that (e.g. this edit, this one, and this week old discussion worry me enough). elliot   01:41, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:*Comment: Depends on whether File edits count as "content edits". I would say that they do, as most file edits result in adding content to the site. I share your concern that Skooma may still need to build some experience, but I still have to investigate his contributions more thoroughly, and I have to decide whether I'm comfortable having a maniac addicted to skooma as a patroller. ;)      •   01:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:*Comment: The guidelines don't mention anything about File edits not counting.  Given all the work SkoomaManiac has been doing to clean up images lately, I would think they certainly should count!          01:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
::I don't like counting File edits, so, in my eyes, its around 170, which is no where near enough. I think users should have closer to 500 edits before becoming a patroller. elliot   02:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:::You should make it clear that you're talking about your personal opinion. By saying he doesn't have enough edits to "qualify", it sounds like he doesn't meet the official qualifications, which he does...even if he's just squeaking in.  &ndash; Robin Hood    03:13, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
::::There is no definition for it on the wiki, so, no, it is not "personal opinion". elliot   05:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::The definition on the Patrollers page itself, which is what I think is relevant to a nomination, is not userspace and not talk spaces.  &ndash; Robin Hood    05:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::What's relevant to a nomination is the community's opinion. So, please stop this. I have already clearly explained myself. elliot   13:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:*Comment: On the first edit mentioned by Elliot, the situation was handled appropriately by Skooma and Kitkat in a quick manner, and it took her a few tries to get it right herself. This particular example as an 'issue' doesn't seem a valid concern to me, considering. On the second edit mentioned, Skooma fixed a simple, minor mistake within one minute of making it. Considering the fact that links for files are formatted slightly differently than links for most namespaces, and the fact that he fixed it so quickly, I'm not concerned with this one either. And as for the discussion, I don't see any relevance whatsoever in terms of this nomination. He wanted to know his editcount. Others told him how, then discussed what might be considered 'content-related'. Only one person gave advice to change his focus, and one person is by no means 'the community'.      05:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
{{od}}While I can definitely see that the community's reaction has generally been negative, let's clear up that just because I don't have enough edit's in Elliot's eyes, does not mean that I don't qualify. According to the nominations page, 250 content edits are required. I have those 250 edits as defined by many, many people. The requirement is not 500 content related edits, it's 250. While I'm fine with people opposing my nomination (and in fact, I want them to if they don't trust me to do a good job (considering I would and have certainly do(ne) the same), I want them to), I would prefer they not be distracted by this argument, which has essentially boiled down to, "Ok... You have enough... But you still don't have enough!!." TL;DR: Oppose, fine, but don't make drama.

As far as the links you have pointed out: I have no idea what that discussion is supposed to bring to the table. The actual edits, however, represent me still learning the wiki's funtions to a certain degree. You can take that as a positive thing, or a negative thing. I figured the Category one out with the help of not just one, but two patrollers. The icon one was a dumb mistake. I could go on to explain why I did what I did, but I doubt it'd give me any more credibility, so I'll leave it at, "It was a dumb mistake." —SkoomaManiac   11:00, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

:I would also, just for the sake of posterity, like to point out that I did not ignore the community's advice. I ignored Elliot's advice, but generally, the community has been 3-1 go for it. —SkoomaManiac   11:16, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
::You ignored my advice, and are currently looking at a (most likely( failed nomination. I didn't tell you to hold out because I didn't want to ever be a patroller; I told you because I knew the community wouldn't support it as it stood. So, I would recommend that you withdraw this nomination. elliot   13:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

  Neutral: Elliot, what edits are you looking at? Looking at his Skyrim, Lore, Shivering, Oblivion, Morrowind, Template, and File edits, I came up with 253 edits, technically enough to qualify in terms up edits. However, per the linked edits you brought up, especially the second one, which shows a lack of understanding of properly formatting the image's link, I don't believe SkoomaManiac is quite ready. I am aware that userspace edits do not count in the actual requirements, but this edit and the ones around it, which show attempting a basic linking, failing a few times, and then giving up, which shows to me a lack of understanding of how to format links, which is a pretty critical part of the job. As a Patroller, you're going to need to know stuff like this if you want to be a Patroller, Skooma, so I believe that you should take a couple of months to do some more editing, especially work on links, since being able to properly link articles, files, etc. is such an important job to be done.

:(EDIT: Eshe is right about everyone making mistakes. Even the best of us make mistakes, and what she has said about SkoomaManic has convinced me to move from on-the-fence Oppose to just straight neutral.)      • •   02:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:*Comment: I know you've already edited your vote to neutral, but I'll comment on your initial post anyway to defend the specific example you pointed out. I already commented on the links Elliot provided, and the one you pointed out is similar to one of those. Yes, Skooma tried a few things unsuccessfully, then deleted it entirely, as you saw in the history for that page. What you may not have seen is that three other editors (two current Patrollers and one user who's been suggested as a potential member of the Autopatrolled Users group) gave him feedback on his talk page, showing him three different ways of formatting that link. He was trying to link to a category page, which is not linked the same way as most namespace links. He has shown for quite some time that he knows how to properly format links, and both the 'File' and 'Category' links that were brought up (by you and Elliot) were his first contributions involving such links. It definitely shouldn't be a concern that someone doesn't get something new right the very first time they try it, especially considering both 'issues' were fixed quickly. Two more points: 1) The fact that he deleted the addition entirely, I see as a good thing, since it meant not leaving up a broken saved page. 2) It was late in the day, and his last contribution of the day. While being tired shouldn't be an excuse, I know I make more mistakes when I'm tired. And, his first move the next day was to fix it, with the feedback he received from others.      05:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

 Oppose: It's nothing personal, but I just don't think you're ready. The above edits are a good example of why. I think you are a good user, and you've done a lot of work for the wiki, but you're just not ready to be a Patroller. Sorry. •     
Support: That's right, it somehow slipped my mind that it was you that made the Autopatrolled page. Don't know how I missed that. Yep, you should be good to go. •      03:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Support: Before I get into my reasons, let me just say this: I don't think it's fair to be reviewing what qualifies as a content edit in the middle of a nomination.  It's clear it needs to be discussed, but for now, I think we have to agree to evaluate SkoomaManiac based on the guidelines that were in place when the nomination began.  I also want to say that if people want to point fingers, ''I'm'' the one that told Skooma that he has enough edits to qualify, since I believe according to the guidelines that he does.

:Now, for the reasoning.  Yes, SkoomaManiac may barely squeak by as far as having enough content edits to qualify, but despite the concerns raised above I see a lot of promise in those edits.  He's been an active participant in community discussions, and I was impressed that he stepped up and made a sandox in order to organize ideas for the new autopatrolled user group.  He's also taken an active role in archiving (and even remembers to ask for semi-protection) and has shown that he's comfortable with template edits (really--even the one small change was more than I was comfortable with when I was nominated!).  And of course, his grammar and spelling are sound, and he's already been doing the job a bit.

:Personally, the concerns raised above don't raise any flags for me, and here's why: nobody's perfect, and it's not like he made several mistakes in a row and left the page broken.  On the Falmer ear page, two editors struggled with the images in the template, and who's to say Skooma wouldn't have figured it out himself if Kitkat hadn't?  And the image link thing was just part of the learning process.  It's alarming for everyone the first time, and again he fixed it instead of leaving a big image in the middle of the discussion.  Even I make simple mistakes...and really, even Minor Edits and ES messed up their initial responses to this nomination (no offense guys, just making a point!).  Does Skooma still make mistakes?  Yes, but I think the good far outweighs the needs-improvement.  What I see is an editor who makes positive contributions in a lot of different areas and learns from his mistakes, and in my opinion he'll do just fine as a patroller.          13:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
::"Minor Edits and ES messed up their initial responses to this nomination"? May you kindly explain that to me, Eshe? I am not following what you mean.      • •   16:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:::I was just referring to the fact that you both posted, then immediately came back and made fixes.  Like I said, I didn't meant that to be critical--just making a point that even "more experienced" editors don't always get it right the first time ;).          16:30, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Gotcha ;) I thought you meant that, but wasn't certain.      • •   16:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::I don't even get it right the third time. I'm working on it, though.      •   20:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: I'd like you to get more experience before you get my support. I just had to fix your cleanup tag here, which raises another question: why would you upload an image that you think needs cleanup? Sure, that way you'll just build up your file edits, which people think count as necessary edits as stated above. But one doesn't patrol files, articles and talk pages are to be patrolled, so do you have enough experience with those alone? I'm not convinced. I'd advice you to use the "Show preview" button, that way people don't see your screw-ups (it works for me!) ~ Dwarfmp 16:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Comment: It's better to improve an image than to wait for it to get replaced. There's no harm in cropping a poor-quality image to the correct ratio. Also, the {{tl|cleanimage}} tag was used correctly, albeit broken. --Legoless 17:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I disagree ~ Dwarfmp 17:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm at school. The bell rang. I had to type really quickly. Also, I'm not just trying to "build up" my edit count. I'm doing work that (I believe) helps the wiki. —SkoomaManiac   18:03, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Hah, I didn't mean you actually were just trying to get your edit count up. Your help is appreciated, trust me on that. I just think you need to get more familiar with the site ~ Dwarfmp 18:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
:*Comment: I'm not trying to criticize you in any way Dwarfmp, but just want to point something out. Your fix of Skooma's cleanimage tag also had to be fixed, which Legoless did for you. (The new image cleanup template was discussed here, by the way.) That said, I can't see this as a significant mark against Skooma, and I agree with Legoless that improving an image which already exists is better than waiting for it to be replaced entirely.      05:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
::Was there anything wrong with my tag? No, but to be honest, I've never used the cleanimage tag and don't actually know what options there are for that tag, I simply assumed SkoomaManiac was just testing it out and expecting it to work etc. But we're not really supposed to discuss all this on a nomination. I still think he should get more experience. I don't vote much on these things, because I can't keep up with all the newcomers. But I feel like the standards are lowering for this position ~ Dwarfmp 05:30, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
  Support: A review of Skoomas recent contributions shows competent patrolling and tidy ups. There are some mistakes, but not major and it seems like those mistakes are not repeated. To me patroller status means more than that, and I don't see any large page contributions going back to mid-march (I may be mistaken), this would have helped to see if Skooma is able to follow the style guide, before having his edits autopatrolled. The rules on the edit count mean that there are enough edits, but a large amount recently have been image cleanups which, while useful and needed, don't provide enough insight into how Skoooma will benefit from having Patroller status at this time. Unfortunately at this time I could not support this nomination, and there are not enough reasons to even stay Neutral (Sorry Skooma). The Silencer has spoken 18:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Comment: I don't really see how a large contribution would demonstrate style better than a number of small contributions. Some pages just need a couple tweaks, and some users really don't have the time for large content edits--I know I've done very few myself. As such, he might not be up to patrolling larger edits, but as the guidelines say, it's alright to leave those for someone with the time and motivation. I'd rather see great, small edits than ugly, large edits. --      21:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Comment: One large article would show consistancy of spelling and grammar, even I can do grammar in small bursts (I shouldn't be critizing because I failed my English exam and scraped my IT). I agree with small good edits over large ugly ones, and rereading my opinions they appear harsh and I might move to Neutral but not yet. The Silencer has spoken 22:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
After stalking Skooma for the last few days I have been proved mistaken and am moving to Support. The Silencer has spoken 15:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Support: I honestly think you're well capable of being a patroller. Whenever I see you on IRC, you're helping people, answering questions or looking for new ways to contribute to the wiki. You know your stuff, and even if you do slip up occasionally, we all make mistakes. In fact, looking at Elliot's first link, that was my mistake, and not yours - that should be noted. The professional way in which you handled the situation should also be acknowledged - you reverted the edit and then calmly left a message on my talk page, without starting a pointless edit war. Your sandbox, in which you laid out the foundations for a new user group, was an excellent piece of work which greatly benefited the community. In my opinion, your being a patroller would also benefit the community. Kitkat   21:30, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Support: Most of your edits are small and good. I don't see a big problem with the edits that others are mentioning. Mistakes in linking? You've shown plenty of times that you can add links. Thinking a quest image should be 4:3? That's what the image guidelines say, and I was completely unaware until now that there was a category for images that don't follow ratio rules--you saw the revert, you asked a question, and you learned something. I don't personally pay attention to categories except for a few pages, and it has never affected my edits; you can hardly be expected to know all the category names. Asking clarification on edit count? It looks like you just wanted to know about sandboxes, which, as we've determined, can actually be a grey area. It looks like your image edits have been nice, too, and they're much-needed. The one thing that I think would help out a bit is "Show Preview", since a few of your "troublesome" edits could have been fixed by using that. Plus, on the few occasions where you don't know something, you ask or talk it out with someone--an excellent trait to have, especially since nobody can know everything. --      21:39, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Support: I've been waiting for SkoomaManiac to qualify as a Patroller for some time now, and finally, he does. My impression of his edits was that they were always good, and as a fellow WikiGnome, I certainly have no concerns that they're only small ones. In light of the opposition above, I decided to recheck the edits mentioned as well as some random edits. I've found absolutely nothing that concerns me in the least. I didn't know how to link to internal files without displaying them when I was given Patroller rights, and I don't think it had even occurred to me to do them as external links, so that one isn't a problem—in the end, external links get the job done in any event. As Kitkat pointed out, SM only reverted her edit, so that's not really problematic for me either. I'm not even sure what the concern was with the conversation on my talk page other than the fact that elliot indicated he didn't believe SM was ready. As has been said above, that's one person's feelings, and not necessarily representative of the community at large. As for templating aspect ratio issues on files that are already marked through other means (see this discussion), that's not obvious from the file pages, and several people have had to be updated on template features over the past few months, including some of our Admins. As someone who admittedly treats Template space like I own it, I've found things recently that I wasn't previously aware of as well—including SM's changes to the {{tl|Consensus}} template—so a minor duplication of effort is certainly not a big concern here. What I have seen is a lot of edits that improve articles, a willingness to answer other users' questions, and to ask when he doesn't know how to do something. In the Patroller qualifications, we ask for activity, proper spelling and grammar, and proper style—SkoomaManiac has demonstrated that he has all these qualifications. So I wholeheartedly support this nomination.  &ndash; Robin Hood    03:39, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Support: You meet all suggested qualifications for Patrollership, and then some. You have been active on the wiki the whole time I've been a registered user (and have been around here a lot longer than that), contributing in different namespaces, participating in community discussions, interacting positively with other users, and helping to improve UESP both in terms of content and as a community. Your spelling and grammar are definite non-issues, and you've made plenty of edits to articles which fix such mistakes by other users. You know how to follow the preferred style of the wiki— you've shown that you know how to add/edit content appropriately, you use the proper writing style to keep articles professional, and you understand the desired formatting guidelines across different areas of the site. As someone who is extremely addicted to the site and on here constantly, I have been able to 'watch' you watch the Recent Changes page on a number of occasions, and have noticed you reverting vandalism, as well as fixing minor errors by other users promptly and efficiently. (Watching you sounds stalker-ish, sorry! But my point is that it's easy to tell when another user is watching the Recent Changes page at the same time as I am, especially when I see you fixing things which I was about to do myself.)  Like RH, I've been waiting for you to be eligible for Patroller status for a while. I noticed your contributions when I first began contributing myself, and have seen nothing but good things. Your edits are of good quality, and have been since I've been around as a regular user. While you do make mistakes, we ALL do at times. Yes, there are times when you seem to rush and hit 'Save page' when you probably should hit 'Show preview' first, but that's another thing I think many of us do at times. You obviously proofread your own edits after saving a page, and I've seen that you won't leave a mistake on a saved page— you fix your own mistakes, and you do so very quickly. On a related note, you know when to ask for help, and respond well to feedback from others— these are valuable qualities, and are more important than some people seem to realize. Furthermore, you have demonstrated a desire to learn, and I've seen you grow a lot here in a short amount of time. I love that you're not afraid to try new things, showing your ability to contribute in different namespaces and with different types of edits (such as Filespace and Templates, which I know nothing about). And you have been taking initiative to do various maintenance tasks, such as archiving and fixing aspect ratios, yet another point for my support.  I have to use the same phrasing as RH on this one, because it's so true: I wholeheartedly support this nomination. I believe having you as a Patroller would definitely benefit the community. :)  Oh, and one more thing: I would defend Skooma on basically all specific issues or concerns brought up in this discussion. In fact, I'll go back and do so now with comments in response to each point. :)      05:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Comment: This is just a reminder that voting ends in three days, so any further votes or comments should be added by then. Also, for anyone who has opposed this vote or is 'on the fence' about their vote, I would like to remind you that Skooma would not be eligible for re-nomination until July 12, according to this rule:
:*If a user has been nominated with their consent and that nomination was either rejected or withdrawn, they are not eligible to be nominated again for three months from the date of the rejection or a withdrawal after votes have been cast.
:So, if you are opposing this nomination, you are opposing this nomination for the next three months. For users who contribute daily, such as Skooma, this is a very long time for this site.      14:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
::Yes, I opposed it for that very reason. Three months is what is needed, IMO. elliot   01:41, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Ironically, that's exactly what I said when Helenaannevalentine was nominated, and also ironically, I said it to SkoomaManiac. To be honest, I wasn't really much of a Patroller when I was nominated. It mostly felt like I was accepted without a fuss because of my binge-editing of templates. Before I was nominated, I didn't even know what Patrolling was. Within the first two days, though, I learned how and started Patrolling. Similarly, any minor fault in that regard is quickly fixed and only fixed once. I know I voted rather harshly for my first vote on Skooma here (I admit it, I mostly browsed over it, saw "Oppose", and joined the crowd) but after realizing that it's only over those minor faults I'm surprised. It doesn't take an entire three months to learn how to properly add an icon. Heck, it doesn't take an entire three hours to learn those kinds of things. •      02:35, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
{{Consensus|Support}}         17:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Alphabetface
{{Userlinks|Alphabetface}}

I think Alphabetface is overdue for Patroller rights, and in light of the fact that I {{Pl|UESPWiki:Administrator Noticeboard|diff=918182&oldid=918174|just suggested}} that she skip any potential new autopatrolled group and jump straight to Patroller, I thought it only appropriate that I put forward her nomination. She has been very active in Skyrim space, making numerous WikiGnome-type edits, and doing loads of work cleaning up some of our horrendously formatted talk pages as well. Since her promotion to Userpatroller only a few weeks ago, she has already become the most active Userspace Patroller in terms of editing and the second-most active in terms of patrolling. I think she'll be a great asset as a full Patroller.
I formally accept this nomination. :)      17:51, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Votes
Support: As nominator.  &ndash; Robin Hood    04:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: I've seen Alpabetface's work around the wiki and I have to say that I"m quite impressed in general. Even more so to the point where she was going round checking all of the unsigned comments and recorrecting them - which we all know is a nightmare task to handle quite frankly. I certainly hope she gets the position, she deserves it and that's without a doubt! Helenaannevalentine 05:11, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Knows her stuff, active editor and patroller. Definite yes from me. --  08:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: I've only been here a short while, but Alphabetface has helped me immensely, and I can see nothing in her past to suggest she would not be a good patroller. In fact I was surprised to see that she was not a patroller given the amount of effort she puts in. The Silencer 08:09, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Alphabetface got my attention my very first day back.  Her edits have been easy to patrol, she's done a great job of keeping an eye on User space and the Recent Changes page, and she's got a great attitude to boot.  This one's an easy yes! –Eshe  14:13, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Quite frankly, I'm surprised it took so long for her to be nominated. Definite yes! •          19:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Her edits are excellent, not to mention sometimes much-needed, especially with talk page cleanup. She would definitely make a great patroller. --Velyanthe 19:35, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: I've been less active lately (damn Mass Effect), but I feel free to cut back because I know people like Letter-face here are holding down the fort.      •   20:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: I have been fairly inactive lately, popping on usually to check my watchlist or patrol a few pages at best, so I may not be the best of judges, but Alphabetface has been doing some really solid work, so far as I can tell. I see absolutely no problem with giving her the extra privileges.      • •   21:00, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Skip the patrolling, just keep up the good work. --Krusty 23:44, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Can I just tell you that you're one of my absolute favorite people on this wiki? Your edits are great, you learn quickly, you're friendly, and you very rarely have conflicts with other users. Not to mention you have my sister MBTI, which is not at all surprising. :-P An absolute, resounding, whole-hearted yes! —SkoomaManiac   01:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Nothing more to add. A fine editor. Wolok gro-Barok 13:18, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Since I was one of the many people who   encouraged you to be a patroller, 100% support from me! Really, this one's as easy as ABC! :D Kitkat   13:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)


Comment: Not that there's any rush, but given the wall of Support votes, can I suggest that an Admin snowball this one and give her Patroller rights right away?  &ndash; Robin Hood    15:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think we can do that--just wasn't 100% sure, given that I wasn't totally certain how we go about these quick support nominations, and also because I hadn't seen that she'd accepted the nomination ;).          15:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
:::LOL...I forgot to prompt her to do that. We'd spoken about it by e-mail, and it never occurred to me to remind her she has to do it formally too. :) I'll leave a message on her talk page.  &ndash; Robin Hood    15:44, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
::::Ah, and I just saw a little blurb about speedy promotions, so I'm comfortable with doing that once we get that last formality out of the way.  Thanks!           15:49, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::If you're collecting support for a speedy promotion, let me throw mine behind this. --AKB   16:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

{{Consensus|Support}} (Speedily!)          18:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Helenaannevalentine
{{Userlinks|Helenaannevalentine}}

Helenaannevalentine - Well there's not much to say about me. Awhile ago I submitted my interest in becoming a Userspace Patroller, but after that, I never really took into consideration of nominating myself into trying to become a Patroller. It was actually RobinHood70's idea for me to try to become one, after he said I met all the requirements and that my edits have good grammar/spelling. I've also been acknowledged of my tireless work on the many projects around the site, and I admit that I make mistakes here and there, but I would love to become a Patroller and further improve the site.

Votes
  Oppose: Helena has been making a lot of good edits around the site lately, and I'd be happy to have her edits auto-patrolled. She's been especially active in Oblivion space, cleaning up the little things long after I'd thought those pages were about as complete as they were ever going to get. To me, that says she's got a good eye for detail, which is exactly what I like to see in a Patroller.  &ndash; Robin Hood    07:03, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
I've taken some time to consider after Helena's comment on my talk page, and in the end, I feel I need to change my vote. I assumed when I voted that Helena was aware of what Patrolling was all about, even if she hadn't done any herself. As has been mentioned below, I was aware that there were several people actively patrolling userspace to the point that of it being totally patrolled, so I didn't hold that lack of patrolling against her. Before someone nominates themeselves, though, I think they need to at least have taken the time to understand what Patrolling is about. In light of that post, Helena clearly hadn't done that. I believe she will make an excellent Patroller when the time comes, and I applaud her for clearly starting to "step up" in light of various other comments here, but I think more time is needed for her to develop a better understanding of who does what around UESP.  &ndash; Robin Hood    23:53, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: An excellent editor who makes excellent edits. Need I say more? :) •          07:43, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: You haven't been on the wiki long enough in my eyes. Sorry. elliot   07:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: You haven't made a single Skyrim content edit, and most of your contributions have been to the Oblivion namespace. While this isn't a problem at all, right now the site's main focus needs to be on improving Skyrim content. Most of your recent edits have also been little, minor things, like fixing grammar or removing uneccesary bold marks. Looking through your contributions, I haven't seen any warnings given, or any reversions of vandalism/incorrect information. To me, this indicates that you don't watch the Recent Changes page frequently, which is obviously the most important part of a Recent Changes Patroller's job. A combination of these factors leads me to think that maybe you should wait a little bit, get a feel for patrolling the userspace, and nominate yourself again in a few weeks, when I'd certainly support you. Kitkat   12:43, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
::In response to this, I actually have started to watch the Recent Changes page. I actually did give one person a warning, from an IP address for  writing nonsense in the Lore files - specifically in Azura if I remember correctly. I may not do a lot of 'huge edits', but it isn't the size that matters - it's the quality of the editing. Helenaannevalentine 18:40, 6 March 2012 (UTC) 
:*Comment: When I was a Userpatroller (did anyone even notice?) I patrolled a grand total of two edits. But that didn't hold me back. Part of the problem was that I wasn't really sure how to patrol, and part of the problem was that I was too busy actually editing. Also, there's nothing wrong with having a Patroller that focuses on Oblivion. Skyrim isn't all that's on this wiki, you know (and that's what makes us stand out). Since becoming a Patroller, I've done a bunch of patrolling, and I believe that's going to be the case with Helena. •          23:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: I am on the fence with this nomination, but I will say support. To Kitkat's point: yes, your edits have only been minor edits to the Oblivion space in a time that needs Skyrim editors, but your edits, albeit minor, are good edits. And, to Elliot's point: How long is long enough to be on the wiki? Don't you advertise on your userpage that you were on the wiki for about a month before being nominated? She meets the criteria for being a Patroller, so I don't see why Helena can't be. Even if she never touches the Skyrim space, at least her edits would be auto patrolled, so the Patrollers working in Skyrim aren't going to have to verify every minor Oblivion edit she makes.      • •   13:07, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment: But what good is having a patroller who doesn't seem to patrol the RC? I've also just realized that you haven't actually manually patrolled anything in the userspace, either, in the time that you've been a UP. Don't get me wrong Helena, you seem to be a great editor and you have the potential to be a great patroller - but right now, I'm not seeing it. Kitkat   13:10, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
::In response to this as well, I know I haven't 'edited' anything in the userspace, but I have given a few welcome notices here and there to new members who have edited a few of the webpages. Now I'm not saying that it's enough for the Userspace Patroller criteria on what they do, but at least I make some effort rather than none at all. Helenaannevalentine 18:45, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
:::*Response: I think you may have missed my point. I never commented on what you had or hadn't "edited" in the userspace - I said that you hadn't manually patrolled anything in your time as a UP, which showed a tendency not to patrol the Recent Changes Page. Kitkat   19:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
::Sorry about that, I seemed to have gotten the points you were making mixed up somehow. I do get what you mean, because you do infact prove a very valid point to your opposition to the nomination, regardless even though it's myself. I don't 'manually' patrol, but occassionally I do tend to look at the recent changes pages just to oversee whether some changes are correct. The ones I did come across were fine, so I just left it at that. Helenaannevalentine 19:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Interesting sidebar here: in the last month, only 21% of the userspace patrolling was actually done by userspace patrollers, and almost 90% of that was done by two people. It seems Userspace Patrollers who don't patrol userspace aren't really that uncommon.  &ndash; Robin Hood    23:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
::::RH, this is a really good point about Userspace patrolling being done by very few Userspace Patrollers. I've found that in the time since I've become a UP, there are hardly any edits to Userspace that haven't been patrolled already— which means I don't even get the opportunity to patrol many edits which are made to the Userspace (which I think is saying something, since I'm on this site at many times throughout the day). I can't say anything specific about this user, but this does affect UPs using their patroller privileges in general. It's something to take into consideration. Alphabetface 13:57, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Whenever I see a userspace edit, I usually patrol that immediately. Since pretty much any edit is valid and correct in that namespace, patrolling that is really easy. I don't patrol the other namespace edits much (most are now in Skyrim, and seeing as I don't know all that much of Skyrim...), so I'd rather do something than nothing. Sorry if that leaves few unpatrolled userspace edits :P ~ Dwarfmp 16:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: While your edits to Oblivion pages are great, I don't feel that you've done anything that meets the definition of a patroller: "Patrollers watch the Recent Changes page. Doing so before becoming a patroller is advisable to get a feel for the job." Kitkat brings up a good point too, as it looks as if you haven't been watching the Recent Changes page for even userspace pages. Unless we change our definition of a patroller to "someone whose edits we don't need to patrol" rather than "someone whose edits we don't need to patrol and someone who watches the Recent Changes", I'm going to say no. --Velyanthe 18:25, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Neutral: Helena is a great editor, no doubt about it. However, I think it would be more appropriate to create a usergroup for people who don't need their edits to be patrolled, instead of expecting them to become patrollers. --AKB   18:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
:: I actually kind of agree with Alpha Kenny Buddy's response and suggestion right there. It makes a lot more sense to create a group for the users who's editing doesn't need to be patrolled, rather than suggesting them to become patrollers. To me it seems much more easier, and would help out quite a lot in the long-run. Helenaannevalentine 18:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
:::When you get right down to it, though, that's no different than a Patroller who simply never patrols.  &ndash; Robin Hood    23:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
::::The way I imagine it, it wouldn't require community approval, just agreement by administrators or patrollers after reviewing their edits. That way a few users who are on the fringe of being accepted as patrollers or people who don't patrol that often can have a simpler and more likely to succeed way to get their edits auto-patrolled. Also, they wouldn't have access to patroller powers, such as section protection. In the long run, this will be simpler than making users patrollers for the primary purpose of having their edits automatically patrolled. --AKB   23:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Support: Being given patroller privileges shouldn't require activity. Helenaannevalentine's edits are top quality, which is usually the determining factor when it comes to judging other's contributions. Given the current opposition to her nomination, however, it might be best to withdraw and get more experience with userpatroller duties and cleanup. --Legoless 19:37, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
::Actually, activity is required: Active on the wiki. elliot   03:06, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose:I think you should get used to the patroller buttons and then apply again in a month or so. Your responses don't make me think you entirely understand how the privileges work. –SkoomaManiac 20:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment: She would not be eligible to apply again for three months, according to the guidelines. --Velyanthe 21:04, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment: Remember that if you say no, you're saying no for the next three months. If it's only a difference of a couple of weeks, then voting no would cause more long-term problems than saying yes with the expectation that she would meet your requirements in a short while. •          23:53, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment: Then I'm saying no for three months. According to her responses, she seems to think patrolling is monitoring the recent changes page. I don't think that she understands the functions of the wiki well enough. If you can convince me otherwise, be my guest. While we badly need patrollers, I don't feel comfortable with her understanding of the what's expected of patrollers. Helena, if you or anyone else can convince me otherwise, be my guest. I hate voting no. —SkoomaManiac 14:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment: Also, as it stands, the vote is tied 4 to 4. It needs at least one more vote to go through either way. This is especially concerning to me. By all means, change my mind. Like I said, I'd love to say yes. —SkoomaManiac 14:25, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment: Decisions like this generally work on the "consensus" model, they're not straight-forward votes. In the event of a near-tie (which appears likely), it would probably be taken that there was no clear consensus, even if it were slightly leaning to the "Support" side, meaning that the nomination would fail in any event. I'm noticing, though, that our guidelines on the nomination process assume we have a clear consensus one way or the other, which of course won't always be the case. We should probably revise those once this nomination is over. (I don't like "changing the rules" while something's still in process.)  &ndash; Robin Hood    23:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment: I'd like to point out this, this, and this. These links show that while Helena is most certainly making an effort, she's simply not, IMHO, experienced enough with the Recent Changes page, or with the kind of work that being a patroller entails. In my eyes, the three months between this nomination and the next one could be the time it takes to turn a great editor into a fantastic patroller. Kitkat   11:51, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: According to the comments above, Helena hasn't patrolled anything before and doesn't even really know what it is. How can you be a good patroller if you don't know what a patroller is? ~ Dwarfmp 16:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Oppose: Everyone else is doing it; I just want to be popular! Nah, but seriously, I had roughly 2000 edits before I started patrolling to the best of my recollection. There's no shame in waiting a while.      •   02:52, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment: I agree with some statements above, but one thing that really annoys me is when users complain that a user edits too much on one space (in this case Oblivion). This exact same argument was used against me and it was one of the main reasons why I was declined. It should not matter one single bit where the edits are made, but simply the quality of the edits. Just because Skyrim is new, does not mean all the other articles should be forgotten about. In future, reasons such as this should not be mentioned at all.   17:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

{{Consensus|Oppose}}

Jak Atackka
{{Userlinks|Jak Atackka}}

Hello, I'd like to nominate myself for becoming a Patroller. To be honest, there's not much to say about myself. When I'm not crazily hacking away at a template, I'm patrolling the Recent Changes, and anybody who has been watching those lately can usually tell when I'm online. I conform to the Style Guide. I'm absolutely anal about grammar, typos, and incorrect hyperlinking. I like to think my edits are high-quality, but that's for you guys to decide :)

I should mention that I mistakenly nominated myself a little while back, but I asked Nephele and she said that since no votes were cast it doesn't really count. I didn't have enough eligible edits at the time, but that's definitely not a problem now.

Votes
Support:You do excellent work on the templates and on the Skyrim space, so I think you should be given the extra rights. I, personally, don't even read your edits before patrolling them, because the content edits are good and I just can't read templates. But they seem to work, so I'll assume your doing a good job :)      • •   19:43, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: You've been doing so much editing lately, I'll vote in support just to get you off the "needs patrolling" list! :) Seriously, though, your edits are great, and you're on your way to becoming a prominent templater as well. To Eric's point, if you can understand templates, everything else on the wiki's a breeze!  &ndash; Robin Hood    23:59, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: I'm a template noob; since I don't understand most of your edits, I was waiting for someone who does to chime in. The trainer icons look great, by the way.      •   00:03, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Support:You're an amazing editor; if any one deserves this it's you.--Br3admax 06:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: Busy editor, good edits, nice style. Not really much to add! --Krusty 09:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: I really haven't felt the need to give your edits a serious check for a while now.--Kalis Agea  17:35, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: RH and I could use the help on the templates. No problems with this support. elliot   02:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
:CONSENSUS: Support. --AKB   01:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Thuraya Salaris
{{Userlinks|Thuraya Salaris}}

Another editor who has proven him or herself to be excessively competent at any task he or she (sorry for the unclear pronouns, I don't wish to presume) adopts, Thuraya Salris is well beyond ready to become a patroller. Thuraya has shown an almost unmatchable strive to perform some unfortunately ignored maintenance duties around the wiki. Me, having just spent an entire day completing a bunch of page moves that Thuraya marked for renaming, can confidently say that I don't think we need to have his or her work supervised at all. Content-wise, Salaris has dedicated himself to uploading a ton of high quality images to the wiki, which is something we definitely don't have enough of. I think it's quite clear that this wiki's operations will run a lot smoother if he or she is given the extra responsibilities. --AKB   05:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
I am very happy to accept the nomination from AKB. Thuraya Salaris 05:56, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Support: As nominator. --AKB   05:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Support: I must admit, Thuraya's unusually high amount of edits in the File section surprised me. And, as I soon realised, this is something that is extremely advantageous to the wiki. But it isn't just the skills and dedication that have brought me to support this; I would have to say that it's been a fair amount of time since I've had to give a serious check to one of Salaris's edits. I see no reason why Thuraya shouldn't get the responsibilities of a Patroller.--Kalis Agea  07:10, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Support: Honestly, the only reason I hadn't nominated Thuraya as well was that I seemed to be on a one-man recruiting drive and didn't want to overdo it. :) As Kalis mentioned, her File contributions are unusually high, which is great, but she's not just uploading, she's categorizing and tagging as well, which is invaluable with the influx of new images. And of course she's certainly not shirking Skyrim space either.  &ndash; Robin Hood    07:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Support: I discussed this with Thuraya a couple of weeks ago, because I felt he could definitely help out in the File namespace. I figured he should have done a little more with content, but now is a good time. elliot   00:39, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Support: TS has been doing really useful work tagging images, and his/her edits outside file-space have been excellent too. Definitely patroller quality. rpeh  01:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Support: Welcome to the war. Minor Edits 15:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: A welcome addition to the team for sure. Wolok gro-Barok 00:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: Granted, I am new to the game as well, but in the week and a half I have been patrolling, Thuraya's edits have been excellent, and I don't give them much more than a glance. And, as frequently as he is editing, there are a lot of edits of his that just fill up the unpatrolled section, so why not give him the rights and take a load off of our hands? He is definitely deserving of these privileges.      • •   02:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: In the short time He/She has been here H/S has done great work for the Skyrim pages. RIM 11:36, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: Thuraya makes very good edits, especially in the File namespace. I think that Thuraya will make a good patroller. (Eddie The Head 11:58, 6 February 2012 (UTC))

:CONSENSUS: Support. --AKB   16:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Velyanthe
{{Userlinks|Velyanthe}}

Yet another one in the unofficial Patroller recruiting drive. Velyanthe has shown time and time again he is willing to add information, correct others' edits, and engage in talk page discussion, and his edits are always of good quality. As is usually the case when I nominate someone, I'm auto-patrolling his edits with only the most cursory glance at this point.  &ndash; Robin Hood    01:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
I accept this nomination. --Velyanthe 02:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Support: As nominator.  &ndash; Robin Hood    01:58, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Support: In the last few days I've been noticing more and more Velyanthe's contributions, as I began to sift through some of his edits after noticing the unfamiliar name. Essentially, I concur completely with what Robin Hood has said. And I think it goes without saying that, even though the patrolling situation has no doubt improved, we can still use all of the help we can possibly get.--Kalis Agea  07:10, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Support: A lot of early edits from this user were to File space, and that's the way all the very best editors get started :). I must confess that I hadn't heard of Velyanthe before seeing this nomination, but that speaks more to my lack of activity than Velyanthe's activity. His edits have been uniformly excellent and I don't see a problem with making him a patroller. rpeh  01:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Support: Ah, a fellow grammar and format junkie. I see your addiction is quite strong. Hopefully the Patroller paraphernalia will not cause an overdose. Minor Edits 15:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Support: Definite support here. Not much to add. Wolok gro-Barok 00:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Support:What else is there to say? —SkoomaManiac 05:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

:CONSENSUS: Support. --AKB   16:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Eric Snowmane
{{Userlinks|Eric Snowmane}}

I would like to request consideration for Patroller status. Admittedly, the last week I hit a snag where my editing declined to a few a day, because I am remodeling my house, but I am done with that and back to full-time editing. I generally am on for at least two or three hours a day monitoring the Recent Changes and pulling up random pages to work on. Granted my edits aren't big overhauls or anything to write home about(In my opinion but, maybe I am just being too modest), but I have the know-how to be able to add to pages and clean them up thoroughly, and the Patrollers tools could definitely help me out. Whether or not I get it, I appreciate your time in looking over my request. Thank you.      • •   07:43, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Support: I abstained from supporting Fluff as a Patroller just because he was so new to the site and barely met the edit requirement. Sorry, Fluff. But he still got strong support from well-established users, and seems to be working out well. Anyways, this is a similar situation, so I think Fluff's a good benchmark. You've been around longer, seem to be more active on a day-to-day basis, and have more edits (even though over 200 seem to be on your user page and subpages). Fluff's edits have been more substantive, but I'm hardly one to turn my nose up at minor edits. You rarely introduce new content, but I haven't seen any reason to doubt the contributions which you do make, and that seems to be the fundamental test.   Our backlog and traffic still often seem to reach absurd levels, so I think we could still use all the help we can get. Minor Edits 10:54, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: There are still a lot of unpatrolled edits and I think you could really help. I also haven't noticed any big mistakes on your part. You haven't made a huge amount of edits to the Skyrim pages but it is still substantial and every bit helps.RIM 17:27, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 Oppose: You barely meet the qualifications. Only 288 edits of yours are to content, way too low in my opinion. While I like the direction your edits have been heading lately, I am still not convinced that you are ready. I recommend becoming a userpatroller for a bit, and then reapply in a month or two. elliot   04:30, 19 January 2012 (UTC) 
:* Comment: To your point, as discussed in IRC, I can see excluding UESPWiki space, since that's mostly pseudo-talk pages like CP and AN, but his File space edits should count, and he's done some good tagging of files, as well as uploading a few. Even excluding both, though, "barely" meeting qualifications is still meeting them. If we want to consider revising the qualifications upwards, let's take that up on the Patrollers talk page (and probably only after Skyrim edits aren't killing us  ).  &ndash; Robin Hood    05:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::*These are merely my own conditions I use to judge people. Barely meeting the (current) qualifications, in my book, is not convincing. elliot   06:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: ES, your latest series of edits has convinced me to change my vote. Keep up that type of editing, and you will definitely be a good patroller. elliot   02:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: We're making headway very slowly on the unpatrolled edits, though some days we're still losing ground, and I think another Patroller or two would be useful. ES has put in some good edits in content space and is obviously quite willing to respond to various talk page issues as well (and if you're looking through his edits like I just did, keep an eye out for the banter between him and Minor Edits...some of it's hilarious). While I spotted a typo or two in a couple of his edits, they were nothing any one of us wouldn't also have made, and only on talk pages. I have no issues with Eric becoming a Patroller.  &ndash; Robin Hood    05:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: Looking through Eric's contributions, I have no trouble having them auto-patrolled. As we can really need patrollers right now, just meeting the edit count qualifications is good enough for me if the edits are solid. --Alfwyn 16:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: Having done a scan of his contributions ES knows what hes doing which is far more important than the edit count, he meets the qualifications which is all is required. Good work ES, keep it up! --          10:36, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: He does good work and I pretty much patrol his edits on site now anyway. (Eddie The Head 10:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC))
Support: Knows what he's doing and would definitely be of help. rpeh  06:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: Everything I've seen from him looks great and would like to toss my support in along with everyone else. Thuraya Salaris 06:17, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: No objections, whatsoever. Welcome to the team. --Krusty 09:33, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

: Consensus: Support rpeh  20:58, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Fluff
{{Userlinks|Fluff}}

As I've been patrolling, Fluff's name has come up time and time again, and his edits are always good quality, to the point that I've pretty much started to "auto-patrol" them. I'd like to nominate him for Patrollership, as I believe he can be a significant benefit in the current crunch.  &ndash; Robin Hood    04:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I accept this nomination.  There isn't much more I can add content-wise to the Skyrim namespace, but if I can take some administrative duties off of other shoulders, I'd be happy to. --Fluff 04:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Support: As nominator.
Support: Fluff just squeaks by the requirements, but considering how busy things are... --AKB   05:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: I can't really see Fluff making any real mistakes and the extra Patroller would help.RIM 19:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
: Comment: I'll try my best to only make fake mistakes. ;) --Fluff 20:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: I've seen him more than once giving particularly good responses to questions on talk pages. Quite a feat these days... Wolok gro-Barok 00:53, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: No hesitations on this one. elliot   02:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:Consensus: Support. --AKB   00:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Eddie the head
{{Userlinks|Eddie the head}}

Minor Edits suggested that I think about becoming a patroller so I decided to nominate myself. I keep an eye on the recent changes page when I am on and undo vandalism and other bad edits. I have met the edit requirements for becoming a patroller, and I think that I do a good job editing. I generally go on the wiki every day and spend a few hours on it, monitoring the recent changes as I play skyrim, as I'm playing I also add what info I can. I have a good knowledge of wiki formatting and how things work. As a patroller I will do my best to patrol edits and contribute to the wiki. (Eddie The Head 10:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC))

Votes
Support: You've been editing for a year, you make high-quality contributions with great grammar, you're responsive to talk page questions and make justified reversions frequently, you've demonstrated a working knowledge of the style guide and relevant policies, and the time Patrollers take to double-check your work is better spent elsewhere. It seems like a no-brainer to me. Minor Edits 12:40, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: I thought you should be a Patroller too. Also, you voted for me and you are probably more qualified than me so it's only fair. On top of that you have made a lot of good edits and I haven't noticed any mistakes.RIM 14:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: This is another name I've seen a lot in my patrolling, and I can't recall ever seeing anything I didn't patrol on sight.  &ndash; Robin Hood    18:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: An obvious support. Eddie is already a patroller in all but title, as can be seen from the large amount of cleanup he's done around the site. --Legoless 18:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: His edits are always great contentwise. That is what we need. Wolok gro-Barok 00:53, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: I have some serious reservations with regards to some of your edits; however, you have been getting better, so it won't hurt to give them to you. elliot   02:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: I have no problems with giving Eddie the Head the extra tools. He's a steady and good editor, so welcome to the team. Up the irons! --Krusty 09:27, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
:CONSENSUS: Support. --AKB   00:40, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

mxk101
{{Userlinks|mxk101}}

This nomination is long overdue, but mxk101 just recently agreed to let me nominate him. He has been extremely helpful and busy for over a year now, and he is always ‘auto-patrolled’ whenever I do my rounds. I don’t really have much else to say – if you have followed the Wiki for the past year, you should agree with me without thinking twice. Let’s just welcome him to the team and get his countless edits auto-patrolled as soon as we can. --Krusty 12:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
I accept this nomination. mxk101  16:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Votes
Support: As nominator. --Krusty 12:02, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: Hell, I've only been back for four months now and I come to the same conclusion as Krusty. Wolok gro-Barok 12:47, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: Support for promotion and for a speedy nomination. I don't see this one being controversial in the slightest. --AKB   15:41, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: What AKB said. --Legoless 16:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: After looking at all of his edits I'd say he is more than qualified.RIM 17:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Support: This is another name I was starting to notice. No issues with a speedy nom.  &ndash; Robin Hood    19:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
: CONSENSUS: Support (speedy promotion) --Krusty 20:25, 7 January 2012 (UTC)