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UESPWiki:Archive/CP Nath Dyer

Nath Dyer

I recieved an e-mail from one of our readers about something wrong with one of the unfinished quest pages:

:In the unfinished quest section of the page you make a reference to Nath Dyer.  Nath Dyer is actually Nathan McDyer, one of the employees of Bethsoft.  In the French version of the game they kept his original name.  In all other versions it was changed to Nath Dyer.  You can see his name in the game credits.

I'm not 100% sure what he's talking about. Could someone who's more knowledgeable about this than I fix the problem? Thanks! --Aristeo | Talk 23:35, 7 December 2006 (EST)

:Done (see ), although I didn't bother to mention anything about the French version of the game, since you can get the info from the construction set even in the English version. --Nephele 10:43, 8 December 2006 (EST)
Morrowind:Zalkin Grotto

This is just another ordinary grotto, with absolutely nothing interesting inside.

 
Maps
thumb|left|Zalkin Grotto, interior map
Morrowind:Lake Nabia

The ancient Dunmer stronghold Marandus sits by its shores. The Nabia River flows southward out of Lake Nabia into Lake Masobi, in the Ascadian Isles region.

 
Roads
You can reach Balmora if you go down the western road. The northern will lead you to Sulipund. The southeastern ends near ancient Bal Ur Shrine. The eastern road is the way to wilderness of Molag Amur.

Maps
left|thumb|Map of Lake Nabia
Morrowind:River Samsi

It creates the peninsula on which Gnisis and Ald Velothi are situated. The banks of this river are very steep, which can make travel and crossings quite hard. Unfortunately, the Ouada Samsi isn't deep enough to allow boat transport.
 
Notes
The Gnisis Eggmine can be entered directly from this river.
Ouada means river.

Maps
left|thumb|Map of River Samsi
Morrowind:Nabia River

It flows from Lake Nabia south to Lake Masobi and has very steep banks. Bal Ur and Vandus Ancestral Tomb are located on its eastern shore. Suran is located next to its mouth, where it empties into Lake Masobi.

 
Maps
left|thumb|Map of Nabia River
UESPWiki:Site Support/April 2007

Expense and revenue record for the period 1 April 2007 to 30 April 2007.
UESPWiki:Archive/CP New layouts for Template:Oblivion Places Summary

New layouts for Template:Oblivion Places Summary

I'd like to propose re-working the Oblivion Places Summary template, which is used on most of the pages listed at .  Instead of the current horizontal box, I think a right-aligned infobox format would be more attractive, and more consistent with the infoboxes that have started to be used on other oblivion pages (e.g., Imperial City, Alteration, Fire Damage).  I've put together a sandbox version of what I'm thinking of at .  Does anyone have any suggestions or objections? --Nephele 16:10, 22 December 2006 (EST)
:I like it - it seems more streamlined, and, as you say, more fitting with the rest of the wiki. --Justthisguy  03:27, 16 January 2007 (EST)
:Looks nice, similar to other wikis (which is a good thing). I am all for it. -- (talk &middot; edits) 18:35, 21 January 2007 (EST)
::Done!  Thanks for the support.  If anyone has a reaction now that it's been done, feel free to comment. --Nephele 01:33, 22 January 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Customizing Special Pages

Customizing Special Pages

I've just experimented with customizing the appearance of a couple of the Specialpages:
On the Recent Changes page I've added some breadcrumb-type links at the top right of the page, to provide easy access to a few pages that I think are particularly relevant while monitoring recent changes.
On  I've created cross links to a few other pages of interest.
First, what do people think of the changes?  Any suggestions/modifications?  Second, are there other special pages that people think could benefit from some customization?  These types of edits can only be done by admins (they require edits to pages in the MediaWiki namespace, which are all protected pages).  But if anyone has requests, feel free to pass them on! --Nephele 03:29, 10 January 2007 (EST)

:Seems fine to me. --Wrye 23:17, 14 January 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Ghostfence

Ghostfence

I disagree with Dr. Photon's edit on . The fence does not protect the surrounding areas from the Blight storms that are very much present almost everywhere around Red Mountain outside the fence. This is a minor issue, but I am asking for comments. --FMan | Talk (contribs) 12:02, 18 January 2007 (EST)

:I think Dr. Photon is right. Blight storms (characterized by red skies) occur only in the Red Mountain region. Ash storms occur in neigboring regions, but not Blight storms. As for blight creatures, I think that the explanation is that they either escaped from Red Mountain, or were infected by other creatures who escaped from Red Moutain. --Wrye 20:22, 18 January 2007 (EST)

:If you do a search for Blight Storms in the Construction Set, you'll find the answer (unfortunately, I don't have access to it now). I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is the way it is. BTW, shouldn't this kind of discussions go to the article's talk page? --DrPhoton 03:12, 19 January 2007 (EST)

::Yeah, should be on article's talk page. I assume FMan brought it here because of dispute with other editor, but best action for that is to put it on talk page, then if there's no resolution, and you want more eyeballs, just message another editor or two to comment. Anyway, the TESCS is not immediately definitive, because blight and ash storms for both regions are zero to start with. I think main quest turns them on through scripts and then back off through scripts again later when you finish it. And I didn't bother to double check it by searching all scripts. --Wrye 03:46, 19 January 2007 (EST)

:::What I meant is that if you look at what NPCs say about the Ghostfence or Blight Storms in the dialogue entries, you may find the answer to this question. --DrPhoton 08:06, 19 January 2007 (EST)

:Here's what any Ordinator, Buoyant Armiger, Priest or NPC at Ghostgate will tell you about the Ghostfence:
:The Ghostfence is a magic wall running completely around Red Mountain. The barrier keeps blight storms and blight monsters from spreading across Vvardenfell.
:--DrPhoton 06:12, 20 January 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Would you like to salvage a Wikipedia page?

Would you like to salvage a Wikipedia page?
Hey UESP, this is just a random guy from the Wikipedia again. We've got an article up for deletion over here, and it doesn't seem like it's going to make it: Architecture of The Elder Scrolls. It doesn't seem like it would be half-bad for your purposes, and it looks like you're lacking an article in this particular topic. (A reasonable name change has been suggested, to "Building styles", so your page might look like "Tamriel:Building Styles") If this isn't suitable for your purposes, that's fine too. Thank you for taking the time to read my post, SulfurousDesign 16:03, 29 January 2007 (EST)
:Sure, I'll save it at   .  (Not going with the "Tamriel" namespace because it only applies to Morrowind at this time.  If we were to add the other games I might consider moving it.)  I may have even contributed to this article at some point, way back before I had a WP account, so I was just one of the nameless IPs.  Only thing I'm not sure of is the pictures, though we may have equivalents.  I'll look at it later. --TheRealLurlock   00:52, 30 January 2007 (EST)

: I'm sorry, but we can't use it here. We use the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License, and Wikipedia is under the GFDL. On the bottom of every page of the UESP reads "All content is available under the terms of the Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License.", and we must ensure the accuracy of this statement. --Aristeo | Talk 01:24, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Copyright specific material moved to following Copyright/Licensing section. --Wrye 16:25, 30 January 2007 (EST)

I was about to try to come up with a plan to keep the article, but it looks like it won't be deleted. [ :) --Aristeo | Talk 09:26, 30 January 2007 (EST)

:Look again - the person who removed the tag did so without permission, and it's back up now with an angry addendum telling people not to remove deletion tags.  I don't like getting involved in Wikipedia politics, but is there any way at all this material can be legally preserved?  Or is it destined to vanish into the digital aether?  --TheRealLurlock   19:56, 30 January 2007 (EST)


Just an opinion on the matter. We can projectify the page on WP, which is a fine way for storing such pages. Then whoever wants can rewrite it, and take contribs by active members (who will surely agree with that and write it), if needed. The article isn't that consistent, but contains some good info. CP\M 12:40, 1 February 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Console Commands

Console Commands

There are several pages under the Morrowind gamespace (and I guess also under Oblivion) with console commands. These commands can be input in different ways, i.e. abbreviated, with or without commas, etc, which causes confusion to readers and editors. As an example, I am in some kind of edit war with an anonymous user on , , , and .

I propose to standardise the way these commands are written in the Wiki to avoid any more disputes. Should we write them in full or abbreviated? With or without commas? The Tes3Mod namespace contains pages with the full commands and using commas, e.g. . --DrPhoton 03:45, 2 February 2007 (EST)

:I suppose the most informative way would be something like "CenterOnCell (Abr. coc) cellname" Jadrax 05:37, 2 February 2007 (EST)

::My suggestion would be to show the command as, for example:
::: 
::And then make sure that the CenterOnCell page provides details on the various different ways that the command can be entered.  This would allow the various commands to be consistently shown on Morrowind pages in their most simple, easy-to-type form, but would make the full info easily available for anyone who has questions.  The only downside is that there's a bit of extra typing for editors.  --Nephele 11:48, 2 February 2007 (EST)

:::Why not just give the different options on the page? Page would say:
:::Either of the following lines will work:
:::: 
:::: 
:::: 
:::: 
:::Not too much work with cut & paste...
:::-- Felic 12:52, 2 February 2007 (EST)

::I think that '''Nephele's solution is best.''' It's short and easy to follow. But (DrPhoton), why is there no discussion on any of those pages? Or anything on the other editors talk page? If you have a dispute with another editor, the first thing to try to do is resolve it on the discussion page -- you might have been able to work it out with them. (Of course, at this point, there should be a link to this discussion.) --Wrye 14:00, 2 February 2007 (EST)

:::I also like Nephele's solution (Felic's doesn't look very practical). Sorry for not starting this discussion on those pages, but since there is no policy on how to enter console commands in the Wiki, I thought it would be best placed here. I have now left a message to Mr666 inviting him to join this discussion. --DrPhoton 12:37, 4 February 2007 (EST)

:::Hey guys, I'm sorry for having that edit war with DrPhoton. I agree that the solution that nephele came up with is good. I'll just leave you guys to sort it out. --Mr666 1:12, 4 february 2007

::::Thanks for the input, Mr666.  I've gone ahead and changed the pages to hopefully close out this issue. --Nephele 02:11, 8 February 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Blocking Policy

Blocking Policy

I've written up a new page to provide a proposed Blocking Policy.  The intent is to provide some consistency about when and how accounts are blocked, and also to have some guidelines in place ahead of time in case any incidents arise related to blocked accounts.  I'd welcome any feedback on the policy at its talk page. --Nephele 13:44, 10 February 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Protected Pages

Protected Pages

A discussion has been started on the Administrator Noticeboard about the site's current policy on protecting pages.  In particular, there has been discussion about whether editors feel that they need to be able to directly edit the :Main Page, and whether that ability justifies increasing the risk of vandalism to the main page.  Any editors who have opinions about these issues are welcome to contribute to the discussion on the Administrator Noticeboard.  (All editors are always free to contribute to any discussions on that page; I just wanted to make sure that the community was aware of this particular discussion). --Nephele 21:29, 11 February 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Changes to Introductory Pages

Changes to Introductory Pages

Looking back on some changes that I made yesterday to  and  (and earlier to ) I realized that I introduced a shift in some policy, and wanted to point the changes out to the community and make sure that I didn't make any unacceptable changes.  The issue is whether new editors should be encouraged to read all the policies and guidelines before getting started, or whether they should be encouraged to just start editing first and come back and learn about the policies and guidelines later.

A pre-existing statement on Helping Out described the policies and guidelines as:
:Important rules and guidelines that you should try to become familiar with before editing
That statement is still there (under See Also).  But I added a paragraph to Getting Started that basically says start editing without worrying about making mistakes; learn the rules later.  And I earlier changed the introduction to , in particular stating explicitly:
:New editors on the site are not required to read through all of these policies and guidelines; they are not a list of rules that must be understood before participating in the site.
My basic feeling is that the new editors who most need to read the rules (i.e., those who add first-person stories or even those who vandalize) are the ones who are least likely to ever even look at pages like "Helping Out", "Getting Started", and "Style Guide"; they'll never even see any warnings placed there.  The editors who will read through these pages before starting to edit are those who are fundamentally concerned about doing things properly and basically aren't going to be breaking any rules.  I think it's important to tell those editors not to worry and just dive in; I don't want anyone to be so intimidated by the rules that they never get involved.

This isn't really an earth-shattering change to the wiki :) But I think it does perhaps represent some of the basic assumptions that we make when interacting with new editors who make mistakes.  Do we say "you should have already read all the rules" and assume that they are aware that they made a mistake?  Or do we assume that they probably don't know the rules and instead say "you probably didn't know this, but this is how we generally do things around here".

Or maybe my recent spree of policy-writing has left me paranoid about the little things and I should just stop worrying about obscure details that nobody else will ever read ;)  In any case, let me know if you have any thoughts. --Nephele 18:54, 16 February 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP UESP Server Status

UESP Server Status

I've noticed prolonged hang time on some pages today. E.g., while starting a new talk page just a few minutes ago. Earlier today I was completely unable to bring up Special:System Messages, even though other pages would load just fine at the same time. Is the server under additional load? 

Or is it perhaps an ad thing? Perhaps there's prolonged delays the first time google tries to figure out what ads to apply to a particular page? I noticed that the ads for the new page that I created were indeed suited to the text of the page that I was creating -- so google must have been doing an immediate processing of the page. --Wrye 00:59, 26 February 2007 (EST)

:I haven't even been checking the site's server status over the last few days... a few other things keeping me busy ;)  But a quick check right now suggests that UESP is not at all overloaded at the moment.  It is possible that the ads are creating an additional delay as you suggest.  The ads are obviously trying to be smart (although I've noticed a few pages where they were completely off base).  --Nephele 01:11, 26 February 2007 (EST)

:I have been noticing some delays during the last month or so, too. Especially with the  page, when looking at a large number of changes (500 or so). Sometimes it even downloads with the wrong style sheet (the default monobook) or the old logo. Other times, when I click on a diff listed there I get an Error 503 page. I don't know what all this means, but you may have some ideas (I hope). --DrPhoton 03:56, 26 February 2007 (EST)

::Seems to me that it's refreshing slower if it's in a tabbed browser? (I have 2 copies of firefox open, one with 13 tabs open and one with one tab open, the one with 1 is much faster to refresh the same page.) Jadrax 15:08, 26 February 2007 (EST)

: I encountered a few slow downs last week that seemed to be related to the overall site (pauses of 30 seconds or so when no connection would work). I couldn't find an obvious cause to this (no excessive/hanging connections, no DoS, no hanging/crashed processes, etc...). On a guess I disabled the throttle extension I added to the web server some time ago (it wasn't doing anything and the original problem turned to not be related to bandwidth anyways). 
:While I haven't encountered the same slowdowns since let me know if anyone else is still getting them, how often, when, etc.... and I'll continue to look into it. Things like the ads and other settings can be easily changed/disabled and then let run for a few days to see if it helps at all. Intermittent problems like this are always a pain to track down as its hard for me to catch 'in the act'. -- Daveh 18:50, 28 February 2007 (EST)

::It seems to have worked. I am not experiencing any problems so far now. Thanks! --DrPhoton 03:42, 1 March 2007 (EST)
:::Aye, back to working fin here as well Jadrax 05:51, 1 March 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Daggerfall Pages

Daggerfall Pages
I only looked at Witch Covens first because it seemed interesting. That sad fact is, all Daggerfall pages need serious work. I'd like to suggest forming a project like the Morrowind Design group to format and wikify the Daggerfall pages. I can't do it alone; I don't know the game... Somercy 12:36, 28 February 2007 (EST)
:I would really like to help, but (and there's always a but) I'm up to my eyes in Morrowind stuff, don't own Daggerfall, and want to begin helping the Tamriel Section eventually. The problem with Daggerfall is that it is quite old, so very few people have the game and are active on the wiki. Plus, unlike Arena, it hasn't been released into the public domain. --Ratwar 12:49, 28 February 2007 (EST)
::Admittedly, but if we're gonna stock the pages on the wiki, we ought to keep them clean. I don't own it, myself, but I'd like to try to slog through the muck...Somercy 12:54, 28 February 2007 (EST)
:::It looks like two simultaneous conversations have started on this topic: see also .  That might be the better place to continue the discussion, although having a link here will help to let people know about it. --Nephele 14:29, 28 February 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP StrategyWiki

StrategyWiki
Hi guys I've been surfing this site and am very impressed by the vast amounts of informations. I'm an editor on a new Wiki called StrategyWiki that is trying to replace GameFAQs as the best source of FAQs and walkthroughs. I've been working on the Oblivion Guide, but there's only so much I can do on my own. As I'm sure you guys know Oblivion (and the other Elder Scrolls games) are far too large for a lone writer to cover everything. So I'm appealing to you guys as both Wiki and Elder Scrolls experts to help me out with the Oblivion guide [ Thanks a lot guys!
UESPWiki:Archive/CP General resolving thingy

General resolving thingy

Previously I brought a question related to a page here for the reason that questions presented in the Talk page of various pages usually do not get any kind of a reaction from anybody. Is there really a need for a page such as Oblivion:Imperial_Sewers_N._Exit/Directions? What's its purpose? That's what I want to know now. Then, I would like to propose that a specific talk page be designated for this kind of enquiries that concern a single page or a group of pages, but these questions would be resolved in a centralized manner instead of taking place on a  variety of talk pages most editors seem to ignore. --FMan | Talk (contribs) 22:46, 7 March 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP New Warning Messages

New Warning Messages

I've created a new page of standard warning messages and notices.  Hopefully this page will make it easier to post official-looking warning messages on user talk pages.  Also, it provides several notices to use as a starting point when pointing out some common mistakes to new editors.  Feel free to give the system a try the next time you notice a problem (I've added a convenient link to the page on the top of the recent changes page).  Feedback on how to make the system as useful as possible is welcome (here or on the warnings talk page).  --Nephele 01:54, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

: Looks good!   I placed all of my warning pages under speedy deletion (cat) since you decided to make your own. If you want to use them, feel free to take what you want before deleting them. (I release those pages I marked for speedy deletion into the public domain, so don't worry about having to keep them around for copyright reasons if you decide to use their content.) --Aristeo | Talk 12:45, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Morrowind ingredient lists

Morrowind ingredient lists

(copied from )

I've found two on external sites - here and here - since the data is all compiled from stuff copyrighted by Bethesda (same as the ingredients and alchemy effect lists), could either of these (they're the same) be copied here directly? Alphax 09:38, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

:Two sides to this: legal and common courtesy. The legal side is that yes, collections of information can be copyrighted. While the individual bits of info may not be copyrighted (or might be under a separate copyright), the assembly of info is covered by a "collection" copyright. E.g., phone books and maps are covered by collection copyrights even though they're just assemblies of known facts. So, yes it would be a copyright violation to copy the collection. Note that independent creation without copying would be okay -- but you would actually have to do it, not just point out that you could do it. Typically, independent creation results in differences in substantial differences in text, so lack of such substantial differences would be evidence of copying.

:The second side is common courtesy. The guy on that other site worked hard to get the info and the present it in attractive way. It's really nicely done. Common courtesy says '''don't steal his effort.''' 

:You can of course ask the guy if the info can be copied here (under CC license, of course), but I wouldn't be surprised if he says no. (The wiki/CC license is pretty open, and not all authors want to give their work away like that.) If you don't want to go to the effort of duplicating the guys work, you may want to just link to his site. We do that with CS Wiki and did that with Oblivion mod wiki (while it was still around). --Wrye 15:03, 23 March 2007 (EDT)