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UESPWiki:Archive/CP Dictionary Content

Dictionary Content
I think I've found a place to keep me busy for awhile. While the  project looks mostly robust, there are certainly many things left to add, and quite a bit of cleanup left. In addition, I brought this up before, long ago (during the discussions of NPC name pronunciations), but it seems that the pronunciation guide used on the dictionary right now is either very informal or nonexistent. Arbitrary pronunciation guides lead only to confusion, and I'm interested in revamping them to conform to IPA[ standards. Kementari 15:49, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

:Hahahaha, I remember that project. It didn't even go down hill, it fell of a cliff. Well, if you do so, you'll need a LOT of contributers/ That will take awhile. Good Luck! --Playjex 16:31, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

:: Well, I guess it just needs someone to pick it back up, care for it, and tell it that it's worthwhile. ;) --Kementari 16:33, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

:::True, but I still think you should run this by an admin. just to make sure. If you get approved, I'll contribute. Good Luck --Playjex 21:34, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

::::Honestly, it's not the admins' job to approve projects ;).  Kementari's already gotten a great start on cleaning up the dictionary, and the work is much appreciated!  If anyone has suggestions or concerns about the project as a whole, they can point them out here.  Major projects should be discussed before they are executed, but it's not necessary for this kind of work, unless the editor is looking for help or suggestions. –Eshe 21:45, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

:::::I didn't mean it so much it has to be "approved" but it could be good. My project got shot down hahaha. Whatever. Good Luck! --Playjex 10:58, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Dark Images

Dark Images

I seem to remember seeing a page containing screenshots that were a little too dark to use.  But darned if I can remember where it was.  Anyone know of such a page?  Hell, maybe I dreamt it.  Anyway, I was wondering if I might have a crack at cleaning some of those up.– KJR1012   05:08, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:Don't remember any images being too dark, but if you want to get new screenshots, there are a lot of new ones needed, linking at Ships... ;) --Benould  05:39, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
::I think you mean the list  , but there's more on there than just images that are too dark. Help yourself to any or all of them! –Rpeh  05:58, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:::OK, thanks for the link, Rpeh. I've tested my skillz on the page for TB:Jeanne Andre.  Don't really know why I've decided on fixing images, when there are so many pages that don't have images yet.  But oh well; one MORE task to work on. – KJR1012   06:56, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP NPCs or NPC's

This Has Always Been Bugging Me

A month or so ago, I edited a page, and chenged the word "NPCs" to NPC's" for I thought I corrected it. Eshe undid this edit, for she told me that "NPC's" was the possesive. Well, I was scanning through some pages today when I came across these article titles. I was quite dumbfounded. Which is the correct grammar; "NPCs" (as in plural) or "NPC's" (as in plural)? Thanks. --Playjex 12:09, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

: Eshe was right. If you want to designate a plural you just add an "s", with no apostrophe. Thus: Bandits, Marauders, NPCs. Using an apostrophe designates the possessive: the bandit's axe, the marauder's sword, the NPC's house. Of course that changes again with "its" but we don't need to worry about that right now. So yes, those titles are wrong. Shall I leave you to fix them? –Rpeh  12:13, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

::Alright, it's done. Thanks. I was confused with reality's grammar and the grammar of an NPC. I don't know. I understand now. THANK YOU A LOT! --Playjex 12:20, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

:::Incidentally, this and other common spelling oddities are discussed on the Spelling page.  You might want to look over the list there and see if there's any others you were wondering about. --TheRealLurlock   23:40, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP New Template

Templates

Do you think this is a waste of time and effort, or is there a possible use for it? --  18:54, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
:: I like the idea. It's something I've had at the back of my mind for some time now because I think the one thing the site doesn't do well is classify information. We've got categories and breadcrumb trails but neither have the power to perform the broader grouping you can achieve with that sort of template. One thing I'd say is that before any such project could begin, we would need to plan as many of the templates as possible so that there's no need to change everything when it's halfway through. Also, the thought of each page having 20 such templates on it is horrifying so we'd need to think about which areas really need them. Anyway, the discussion is open now so let's see what others think. –Rpeh  04:00, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
Right now I'm trying to figure out what the hell is different between stock wikimedia and UESP, because the collapse code isn't working... o_O --  10:51, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
:: Check out :Template:Hide. –Rpeh  11:51, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
Not quite the same thing, but I suppose I can work with that... thanks --  19:18, 9 April 2008 (EDT)
General:Christopher Weaver

thumb|right|Christopher Weaver
Christopher S. Weaver is the founder and former President of Bethesda Softworks. There is a fair bit of disagreement when it comes to his role in the Elder Scrolls series. Some sources, such as The Escapist, say "If Weaver had a baby, Arena was it, and it showed." However, one of Arena's developers, Ted Peterson, fails to mention Weaver when discussing Arena's development. It is important to note that The Escapist also makes major factual errors such as calling Battlespire and Redguard expansions of Daggerfall. Sometime around Morrowind's release, Weaver was forced to leave the company, eventually suing ZeniMax Media for a large sum of severance pay.

Elder Scroll Game Credits
;Morrowind - Special Thanks
;Redguard - Administration (President)
;Battlespire - Executive Producer
;Daggerfall - Executive Producer
;Arena - Executive Producer

External Links
;MobyGames
;The Escapist
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Image Cleanup Project

Image Cleanup Project

Just a general announcement - a new project has been started to clean up the poorer-quality images on the site.  All editors are welcome to join.  See  for more info. --TheRealLurlock   23:51, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Help Tooltips

Help Tooltips

I couldn't find it anywhere but please excuse me if this idea has been introduced before.

Recently, I was flicking through a few pages and found references to renown, with no explanation of what it is. A quick search shows that one or two pages explain it but most don't. Now we could easily add the explanation in brackets but I've seen a neater (to my mind) solution on other sites and I thought I'd see what you all think. Please take a look here for an example.

I imagine there are other words that could use definitions but I have to confess that I haven't found any yet. I probably wouldn't be in favor (I'm learning about the spelling now!) of using this method if it was just on one term.

Rpeh 06:54, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

:Tooltips are definitely an idea that could be used more widely.  My one suggestion, though, would be to use the existing template , which is already used on several pages for this purpose, instead of introducing a new template that does the same thing. --Nephele  13:13, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

::Hmm. I'd disagree with your second part. That template should be deleted and the standard Wikipedia/WikiMedia one used instead. More people will be familiar with that one. Rpeh 13:29, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

:::In my opinion, the template name "H:title" really doesn't tell anyone what the template does.  The "H:" naming system is part of an organizational system that may be used at Wikipedia, but I don't foresee ever being introduced here, so using a name based on that organization doesn't seem to be helpful.  And the template at wikimedia is also called "Hover" [ so it seems like by using Hover we're not introducing a completely new name for the template. --Nephele  13:44, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

::::Fair enough, although it does tell people what it does if they know HTML. Plus, your link is a redirect rather than main template. Actually, that's a good idea. I'll put a redirect on the title one and get to work doing the changes for renown once I've finished uploading my latest batch of images. Rpeh 13:53, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Email Notifications

Email Notifications

Since I realize most editors don't pay attention to the Administrator Noticeboard, I thought I should point out a problem that's been discussed at UESPWiki:Administrator Noticeboard#Email and Editing Problems (aka 5 minute bug).  In a nutshell, from the point that UESP was moved to the new server (on August 21st) up until this morning (September 1st), email notifications have not been working.  Although the problem was fixed this morning, it still means that any editors relying on email notifications to find out about changes to their talk pages and/or watchlists did not receive any emails during this time period.  Therefore, you may want to double check to see whether you have missed any activity that has happened during the last ten days.

Also, if you registered a new account during the last ten days, you will not have received a confirmation email for the new account.  You should now be able to request that a new confirmation email be sent, allowing email to be enabled for your account. --Nephele  02:44, 2 September 2007 (EDT)

:Is this happening again? I received an email about  but not . I also received an email about  but not .  --GuildKnight (Talk)   23:04, 30 October 2007 (EDT)

::Interesting observation.  One thing to double check is whether there had possibly been a minor edit done to one of those pages.  When I was testing the notifications last time around, it was very quirky about minor edits.  My recollection is that even if I had notifications turned on for minor edits, it wouldn't generally work.  And if a minor edit happened and then a non-minor edit, I'd never be notified about the non-minor edit, no matter what my settings were.  In other words, notifications can be somewhat unreliable any time there's a minor edit in the page history.
::As for whether there's a more widespread problem, I don't have email notifications turned on and therefore I don't have any sense of whether whether there have been problems lately with email.  But the site has been having some type of intermittent problem, where it just stops responding for a couple minutes at a time.  One possibility is that email notifications that coincide with one of those time-outs get cancelled.  Or else it's possible that there is some quirk that gets triggered occasionally by email notifications.... --Nephele  00:22, 31 October 2007 (EDT)

:::That looks like what happened.  I use my email notifications more often than the recent changes page, and there are a few pages on my watchlist that have had minor changes, which I was not sent an email for.  Because I didn't get an email and didn't visit the page for the minor change, I am not sent an email for any subsequent changes, even if they are not minor.  Any ideas?  --GuildKnight (Talk)   10:43, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Unofficial Oblivion Patch

Unofficial Oblivion Patch

It is said that no idea is ever too stupid to discuss, so here goes...

Of the multitude of patches, mods and tools that exist for the games, the one that probably gets mentioned the most on the site (with the possible exception of Wrye Bash!) is the Unofficial Oblivion Patch. The latest example is here. The patch is almost invaluable as it fixes so many of the problems people have with the game. What do people think of mentioning these on the relevant pages? I know we don't usually promote 3rd party mods and I know this is only of use for PC users, but it might help preempt some of the queries we get and might help a lot of people. --Rpeh  09:11, 3 October 2007 (EDT)
:It certainly is worth discussing as it will be helpful. But I personally don't prefer unofficial stuff, may be I am wrong, but that's just my preference. I actually think the policy of this site of not promoting 3rd party mods is very good and we should stick to that. One reason is that there are too many of them and if you include one many others may creep in. --Mankar Camoran 11:21, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

:'''This is a continuation of an active discussion topic. I've copied the above to the Mod Info in Articles. Please continue discussion there. --Wrye 15:47, 4 October 2007 (EDT)'''
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Marking Official Mods

Marking Official Mods

There's been a thought bouncing around for a while that it would be a good idea to mark official mod information more clearly. This would only be for the mods that don't get their own namespace, so Knights of The Nine and Mehrunes Razor would be affected but Shivering Isles wouldn't.

I've created a couple of templates to show you what I mean. Check out this and this (I'm using the faction pages because they're fairly low traffic, rather than diving in and using the Places or People pages).

What's the opinion on this? Are those icons enough? Too intrusive? Not prominent enough? Is the whole idea unnecessary? My opinion is that we need to integrate some of the mod info into the rest of the site much more thoroughly than has been done so far, but it also needs to be marked as not being part of the standard game. I think this is a reasonable way of doing that. 04:44, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
:I totally agree with you. We certainly need to integrate them more. And I really like what you have created there. They seem perfect. --Mankar Camoran 09:42, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
::This project seems to have gone into its shell. Has any decision been taken on it? --Mankar Camoran 09:36, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
:::Well I've now created a     template too and used it in a couple of places with no complaint. Does anybody have any problems with this or shall we start going ahead? --Rpeh  09:42, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
::::I think if anybody had problems they would have objected by now. Seeing that no one has objected may be there are no problems. --Mankar Camoran 09:59, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Images Overlap Bulleted Lists

Images Overlap Bulleted Lists

I have noticed for quite some time now that images overlap bulleted lists, hiding the bullets. See e.g. . I think this may have something to do with the z-order or margin/border settings on the site's CSS, but at the moment I don't have much time to play around with them. Can someone have a look please? --DrPhoton 03:39, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

:Unfortunately, that's a browser-specific bug with Internet Explorer.  If you look at the same page in Firefox, it displays perfectly.  A slight change in the page coding makes a similar bug happen in Firefox and not in Explorer.  There's no known way to make them display properly in both browsers.  --TheRealLurlock   10:27, 14 August 2007 (EDT)

::I have found a way to overcome this problem which works both for IE7 and Firefox 2.0. See the line regarding   in . Unfortunately, I still can't make the list indent properly when it wraps around a thumb. --DrPhoton 03:47, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Cyrodiilic or Cyrodilic

Cyrodiilic or Cyrodilic

I'm not sure if this is the right place, but if you refer to a character/object that comes from Cyrodiil, do you refer to it with the spelling 'Cyrodiilic' or do you leave out an 'i' and spell it 'Cyrodilic'? I noticed that in Morrowind it is spelt 'Cyrodiilic' but in Oblivion it is spelt 'Cyrodilic'. Which one is correct to use?--Willyhead 08:18, 9 December 2007 (EST)
:The Spelling guide says that 'Cyrodilic' is preferred but 'Cyrodiilic' is acceptable. --Rpeh  08:47, 9 December 2007 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Edit Tools for Wiki Markup

Edit tools for wiki markup

I've been thinking about removing the namespace links from the "Wiki markup" section that appears below your Edit window.  They're left over from before we had transparent namespaces, and for the most part they're not necessary any more.  The vast majority of links on the site will be within the same namespace, in which case the OB, SI, MW, TR, BM, and Template:|Tam templates (as well as the others for older games) pretty much handle those cases well enough.  The only ones I'd consider leaving would be the UESPWiki and Category links.  UESPWiki links are uncommon enough that a template isn't really necessary.  Categories are in more cases than not automatically covered by Breadcrumb Trail or Infobox templates, and only rarely need to be entered manually.  (I just created the Template:Cat|Cat template to easily link to a category without placing the page in that category.)  Removing those 6 entries from the Edit tools would shrink the box by a line or two, and possibly make it less confusing for inexperienced editors.  However, since this affects all editors on the site, I thought I'd open it up to a community vote to see if there were any serious objections to this proposal.  So, discuss below. --TheRealLurlock   14:38, 10 January 2008 (EST)

:That would probably make it much less confusing for new editors, especially editors used to other wikis, most of which don't use namespaces the way we use them.  I prefer to keep the links in the box, however, as I use them frequently.  I rarely, if ever, use the namespace templates.  --GuildKnight  22:25, 10 January 2008 (EST)

::Well, I myself used those links relatively often, rather than the templates you just mentioned (it's easier to make a single click than to type a few letters ;). Therefore I would vote agains shrinking the Edittools table just for the sake of saving a few lines. --DrPhoton 03:28, 11 January 2008 (EST)

:::I agree. I always use the full name for a link rather than the template and often use the links in the edit box. Those templates seem plain unnecessary to me - they increase the load on the server for the sake of saving people a couple of key presses. –Rpeh  04:40, 11 January 2008 (EST)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Welcoming IP Addresses

Is it okay though?

I remember I was discussing this with Eshe on the IRC one night. I greet EVERY editor/IP I see with the official "Welcome" message. She said it was not very needed, but very curteous. May I still do this? Haha, maybe I'll have to be the town crier, "12:00 PM and all is well!!!!" --Playjex 15:21, 25 February 2008 (EST)
:It'll certainly be a lot of work for you! ;P It's a nice idea but I don't really think it's necessary, after all, one day you might accidentally welcome a vandal.--Willyhead 15:35, 25 February 2008 (EST)
::Personally, I'd prefer to not have every anonymous IP automatically welcomed.  I think it's problematic in a few ways:
::* Many people have dynamic IPs so they won't ever see the welcome message.  Or the person who ends up seeing it is someone completely different. Or the person ends up getting barraged with new welcome messages every time their IP address changes.
::* The presence of a talk page for an anonymous IP is often used by admins as a signal that the IP has been warned.  So when I see a blue link for an anonymous IP's talk page, I tend to assume they've previously done something questionable.
::* The standard welcome message is not tailored to anonymous IPs.  I think any message welcoming anonymous IPs should at least point out that the person is free to set up an account, and that there are some advantages to doing so.  But that type of information is not provided in the default welcome message, so it's essentially skipping the most important piece of information.
::* Automatically welcoming an anonymous IP who makes one questionable edit can then make subsequent notices awkward if the IP's next edit is vandalism (and, yes, that has happened in at least one case where an anonymous IP was welcomed).
::* I see welcoming as a way to reach out to someone who has joined the community.  Anonymous IPs have chosen not to join the community, so should they be welcomed as community members?  And in part this goes back to the dynamic IP issue: if an anonymous IP wants to be anonymous, will that person really want to be welcomed every time he/she is assigned a new IP?  I'd feel more like I was being stalked than welcomed at some point.
::There are cases where it's appropriate to welcome an anonymous IP, but generally I think it's most useful when the editor has clearly made multiple useful contributions to the site.  At which point, it's good to reach out to the person and suggest that he/she sets up an account.  It's best if such a message is personalized, to make it clear that the person's edits are considered to be valuable.  Sorry if I'm biased here, but I don't consider a dozen edits to our Gripes or Mod Ideas pages to be high-value edits. --Nephele  16:09, 25 February 2008 (EST)
:::Haha, thanks you two for responding! I know what to and not to do when I am tempted to welcome an IP  .... Go into the fetal position. haha thanks guys! --Playjex 17:01, 25 February 2008 (EST)
UESPWiki:Community Portal/Archive 14

Editing Question

Im really sorry, i just decided to contribute, and i dont really know how to go about it, i was hoping to add a roleplaying idea to the Oblivion:Roleplaying section, and i dont really know how. I'm also sorry to jack this question, but i didnt know how to add a new one. I'm so sorry.- Sword-of-Gods 19:25, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

:Several useful links are provided in the welcome message on your talk page; you may also want to look at some of our Help pages. --Nephele  20:09, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

 
 
 
 
 

I love this place!

Ok, this is the Community Portal, and I have something to say about the community here.  I love y'all!  This wiki has a solid community backing everything we do, and I think that is the reason this is the best wiki, by far, on the internet.  I just wanted to publicly express my gratitude for such a dedicated and supportive community helping to guide this wiki forward.  Thank you all!  But a special thanks to the ones who have made this community for me; thank you: Nephele, Somercy, Rpeh, Ratwar, Lurlock, Eshe, Vesna, Benould, RobinHood70, Timenn, and Uniblab; you have made this more than just a website, and I've come to think of you all as "friends." And, of course, thank you Daveh for making this possible!  This wiki is an accomplishment we are all proud of!    --GuildKnight  17:44, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Just a question

How do you make a new page?  
:See this page. You can find it linked from the help pages in the left navigation bar. –Rpeh  14:14, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

 
 

Namespace Reorganization
Discussion has been moved to UESPWiki talk:Namespaces.  See  for discussion of why move was made. --Nephele  22:05, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

 

Disambig pages
Discussion has been moved to .  See  for discussion of why move was made. --Nephele  22:05, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
UESPWiki:Archive/CP Mod Attribution Arbitration

Mod Attribution Arbitration
I've been butting heads with dev_akm over this change that I made to the  page. 

At issue is just a stylistic question. IMO, the page had started to become cluttered with "by author" phrases. My stylistic point is that too much of that clutters up the page and inteferes with the flow of text. 

Note that this isn't just a question about this page, but a question about any page that refers to mods. Should mods always be referred to as "Some Mod by author" or should they usually be referred to as "Some Mod"? Note too I'm not arguing against listing the names of authors in tables (where interference in text flow isn't an issue). 

Anyway, I would appreciate it if another editor(s) visited  and made a stylistic call. I think that both dev and I can live with it going either way -- we just need another voice(s) to resolve the tie. --Wrye 18:57, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

:Done. Thanks Ratwar and Nephele. --Wrye 22:31, 6 May 2008 (EDT)