Re: Looking for GREAT C++ developer for exciting opportunity in bitcoin space

Re: Looking for GREAT C++ developer for exciting opportunity in bitcoin space
2013-12-29 19:27 ` Matt Corallo
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From: Evan Duffield @ 2013-12-29 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bitcoin-development

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Hello,

We’re a startup looking for 1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is
familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup.

We will be able to provide more information about the project after signing
a non-compete/non-disclosure agreement. Our coin will be one of the truly
unique coins that are not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code. In
short the project will be a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very
useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem.

If you have added any features to Bitcoin or related technologies this is a
definite bonus. Please include information about the work you’re done in
the space.

We have detailed plans on how to implement it and the roles we are looking
to fill. If interested please email eduffield82@gmail•com with a
description of your work experience and we’ll vett the applications and
share our plans to see if you’re interested.

Thanks,

Evan & Kyle
Hawk Financial Group, LLC

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From: Jérémie Dubois-Lacoste @ 2013-12-29 19:10 UTC ( / )
  Cc: bitcoin-development

Hey,

I doubt this list is for this kind of thing. I am following
bitcoin-development since a long time but never participated because I
believe discussions should be well-focused and I never had anything
relevant to say.
Evan, I am pretty sure that emails such as yours will cause the true
discussions between core-dev (or those closely graviting around) to
move elsewhere on a less public channel, where people like me won't be
able to follow them anymore. Thus my request: please post this kind of
things elsewhere, because you are hijacking a list just to target his
audience, but not to contribute relevant content. (A definition
usually describing spam).

Cheers,

Jeremie


2013/12/29 Evan Duffield <eduffield82@gmail•com>:
> Hello,
>
>
> We’re a startup looking for 1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is
> familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup.
>
>
> We will be able to provide more information about the project after signing
> a non-compete/non-disclosure agreement. Our coin will be one of the truly
> unique coins that are not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code. In
> short the project will be a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very
> useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem.
>
>
> If you have added any features to Bitcoin or related technologies this is a
> definite bonus. Please include information about the work you’re done in the
> space.
>
>
> We have detailed plans on how to implement it and the roles we are looking
> to fill. If interested please email eduffield82@gmail•com with a description
> of your work experience and we’ll vett the applications and share our plans
> to see if you’re interested.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Evan & Kyle
>
> Hawk Financial Group, LLC
>
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2013-12-29 18:53 Evan Duffield

  2013-12-30 23:22 ` Peter Todd
  2014-01-03  5:11 ` Troy Benjegerdes
  
From: Matt Corallo @ 2013-12-29 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Evan Duffield, bitcoin-development

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I'm not sure where you got the idea that Bitcoin-development was ideal for hiring scamcoin developers, but it's not. Most of the people on this list are smart enough to realize posts like this are dumb ideas backed by greedy "entrepreneurs" who don't understand the system they're trying to improve 99.9% of the time.


Evan Duffield <eduffield82@gmail•com> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>We’re a startup looking for 1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is
>familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup.
>
>We will be able to provide more information about the project after
>signing
>a non-compete/non-disclosure agreement. Our coin will be one of the
>truly
>unique coins that are not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code. In
>short the project will be a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a
>very
>useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem.
>
>If you have added any features to Bitcoin or related technologies this
>is a
>definite bonus. Please include information about the work you’re done
>in
>the space.
>
>We have detailed plans on how to implement it and the roles we are
>looking
>to fill. If interested please email eduffield82@gmail•com with a
>description of your work experience and we’ll vett the applications and
>share our plans to see if you’re interested.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Evan & Kyle
>Hawk Financial Group, LLC
>
>
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>organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance
>
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2013-12-29 18:53 Evan Duffield
  2013-12-29 19:27 ` Matt Corallo

  2013-12-31  1:14   ` Luke-Jr
  2014-01-03  5:11 ` Troy Benjegerdes
  
From: Peter Todd @ 2013-12-30 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Evan Duffield;  bitcoin-development

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On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 11:53:19AM -0700, Evan Duffield wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We’re a startup looking for 1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is
> familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup.
> 
> We will be able to provide more information about the project after signing
> a non-compete/non-disclosure agreement. Our coin will be one of the truly
> unique coins that are not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code. In
> short the project will be a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very
> useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem.

I would strongly suggest that if you have not done so already you hire
someone competent to do an analysis of whether or not your idea makes
sense at all; that you are using merge-mining is a red-flag because
without majority, or at least near-majority, hashing power an attacker
can 51% attack your altcoin at negligible cost by re-using existing
hashing power. If you are starting a timestamping service that may be an
exception, but how to turn a profit doing so is non-obvious.


I would offer that consulting myself, but it would likely be a conflict
of interest with my employers. I'd be happy to speak informally in
private, but am explicitly unwilling to agree to any
non-compete/non-disclosure terms.

-- 
'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
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2013-12-30 23:22 ` Peter Todd

  
From: Luke-Jr @ 2013-12-31  1:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bitcoin-development

On Monday, December 30, 2013 11:22:25 PM Peter Todd wrote:
> that you are using merge-mining is a red-flag because without majority, or
> at least near-majority, hashing power an attacker can 51% attack your
> altcoin at negligible cost by re-using existing hashing power.

I strongly disagree on this isolated point. Using the same logic, Bitcoin is 
vulnerable to an attacker at negligible cost by re-using existing hashing 
power from mining Namecoin. Any non-scam altcoin is pretty safe using merged 
mining, since any would-be attacker is going to have it in their interests to 
invest in the altcoin instead of attacking it. It's only the scam ones that 
want to pump & dump with no improvements, that are really at risk here.

The rational decision for a non-scam altcoin, is to take advantage of merged 
mining to get as much security as possible. There are also some possible 
tricks to get the full security of the bitcoin miners even when not all 
participate in your altcoin (but this area probably needs some studying to get 
right).

Luke



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2013-12-29 18:53 Evan Duffield
  2013-12-29 19:27 ` Matt Corallo
  2013-12-30 23:22 ` Peter Todd

  
From: Troy Benjegerdes @ 2014-01-03  5:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Evan Duffield;  bitcoin-development

On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 11:53:19AM -0700, Evan Duffield wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We’re a startup looking for 1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is
> familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup.
> 
> We will be able to provide more information about the project after signing
> a non-compete/non-disclosure agreement. Our coin will be one of the truly
> unique coins that are not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code. In
> short the project will be a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very
> useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem.
> 
> If you have added any features to Bitcoin or related technologies this is a
> definite bonus. Please include information about the work you’re done in
> the space.
> 
> We have detailed plans on how to implement it and the roles we are looking
> to fill. If interested please email eduffield82@gmail•com with a
> description of your work experience and we’ll vett the applications and
> share our plans to see if you’re interested.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Evan & Kyle
> Hawk Financial Group, LLC

Evan & Kyle,

I have a very unique and one-of-a kind offer for you. I will buy your company
from the revenue generated from my AGPLv3 copyright licensed Minco.me(c) 
cryptographic currency, which will revolutionize work by ensuring that anyone
with a Mincome(C) address doesn't need to work.

Ask yourself.. why would someone who can write a cryptocurrency want to *work*
for you, to get paid with... money.. that they can just ...
  ** write code that makes them money **

Please be aware that any concept(s) that I have publicly discussed, or that 
we may or may not have talked about if I would have signed a non-enforceable
non-compete agreement are COPYRIGHT 2013,2014 Troy Benjegerdes, and that I
would advise you seek competent legal council to ensure that this email, or
any other contact we may or may not have had does not contaminate your 
business model with a viral copyright license.


To everyone else on this list, I'm sorry, I just could not resist feeding 
the VC/marketing trolls.


-- Troy, 'da hozer'



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