RE :  Visualizations of Votes

RE :  Visualizations of Votes
2015-08-21  5:25 ` odinn
  
From: Nicolas Dorier @ 2015-08-21  3:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bitcoin-dev

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> A visualization I would like to see would include:

> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP sipa
etc) based on what's published in blocks.

If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs.
However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP they
support.

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2015-08-21  3:49 [bitcoin-dev] RE : Visualizations of Votes Nicolas Dorier

  2015-08-21 13:24   ` Christian Decker
  
From: odinn @ 2015-08-21  5:25 UTC ( / )
  To: Nicolas Dorier, bitcoin-dev

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Hello Nicolas,

On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>> A visualization I would like to see would include:
> 
>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP
>> sipa
> etc) based on what's published in blocks.
> 
> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. 
> However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP
> they support.

What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them appear
in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?

I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual)
comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.

> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
> list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org 
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> 

- -- 
http://abis.io ~
"a protocol concept to enable decentralization
and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
https://keybase.io/odinn
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2015-08-21  5:25 ` odinn

  2015-08-22  3:14     ` odinn
  2015-08-24 14:46     ` Jeff Garzik
  
From: Christian Decker @ 2015-08-21 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: odinn, Nicolas Dorier, bitcoin-dev

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I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it
currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote for
generic size:
http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

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> Hello Nicolas,
>
> On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> >> A visualization I would like to see would include:
> >
> >> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP
> >> sipa
> > etc) based on what's published in blocks.
> >
> > If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs.
> > However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP
> > they support.
>
> What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them appear
> in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?
>
> I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual)
> comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.
>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
> > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> >
>
> - --
> http://abis.io ~
> "a protocol concept to enable decentralization
> and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
> https://keybase.io/odinn
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2015-08-21 13:24   ` Christian Decker

  2015-08-23 18:28       ` Chris Wardell
  2015-08-24 14:46     ` Jeff Garzik
  
From: odinn @ 2015-08-22  3:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian Decker, Nicolas Dorier, jgarzik, bitcoin-dev

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This is great!! Thank you.

On 08/21/2015 06:24 AM, Christian Decker wrote:
> I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it 
> currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote
> for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/
> 
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev 
> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org 
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Nicolas,
> 
> On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>> A visualization I would like to see would include:
> 
>>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB,
>>> BIP sipa
>> etc) based on what's published in blocks.
> 
>> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. 
>> However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally
>> BIP they support.
> 
> What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them
> appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?
> 
> I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) 
> comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev
>> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
> list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org 
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> 
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> 

- -- 
http://abis.io ~
"a protocol concept to enable decentralization
and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
https://keybase.io/odinn
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2015-08-22  3:14     ` odinn

  
From: Chris Wardell @ 2015-08-23 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bitcoin-dev

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While I like the idea of voting on the block size debate...  Why is this
vote limited to miners only?

I would prefer to see a vote by owners/holders of bitcoin, not miners of
bitcoin.

If miners with 10%+ hashrate are the only ones who get to vote... bitcoin
development is an oligarchy

My 2cents



On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:14 PM, odinn via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

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> This is great!! Thank you.
>
> On 08/21/2015 06:24 AM, Christian Decker wrote:
> > I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it
> > currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote
> > for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev
> > <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Nicolas,
> >
> > On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> >>> A visualization I would like to see would include:
> >
> >>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB,
> >>> BIP sipa
> >> etc) based on what's published in blocks.
> >
> >> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs.
> >> However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally
> >> BIP they support.
> >
> > What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them
> > appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?
> >
> > I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual)
> > comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev
> >> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
> > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> > <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> >
>
> - --
> http://abis.io ~
> "a protocol concept to enable decentralization
> and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
> https://keybase.io/odinn
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2015-08-21 13:24   ` Christian Decker
  2015-08-22  3:14     ` odinn

  2015-08-25  8:46       ` Christian Decker
  
From: Jeff Garzik @ 2015-08-24 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian Decker;  Nicolas Dorier, Bitcoin development mailing list

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There is a duplicated column.

BIP 100 voting is /BV\d+/



On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Christian Decker via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it
> currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote for
> generic size:
> http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
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>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Hello Nicolas,
>>
>> On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>> >> A visualization I would like to see would include:
>> >
>> >> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP
>> >> sipa
>> > etc) based on what's published in blocks.
>> >
>> > If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs.
>> > However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP
>> > they support.
>>
>> What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them appear
>> in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?
>>
>> I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual)
>> comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
>> > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>> >
>>
>> - --
>> http://abis.io ~
>> "a protocol concept to enable decentralization
>> and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
>> https://keybase.io/odinn
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>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
>
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> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
>

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2015-08-24 14:46     ` Jeff Garzik

  2015-08-30  7:44         ` odinn
  
From: Christian Decker @ 2015-08-25  8:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jeff Garzik;  Nicolas Dorier, Bitcoin development mailing list

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Yes, the two dimensions are orthogonal: BIP 100 support and actual size
voting. However there seem to be a few pools which simply vote to support
BIP100, without specifying a desired block size [1], hence I started
tracking both on the same chart, maybe I'll split them into different
charts to clarify.

Regards,
Chris

[1]
https://blockchain.info/tx/ba1e5d21a340772d637ee5dc0bde8072ad1a7b499ba241d5bfaae9618749531e

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:46 PM Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail•com> wrote:

> There is a duplicated column.
>
> BIP 100 voting is /BV\d+/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Christian Decker via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it
>> currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote for
>> generic size:
>> http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev <
>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> Hello Nicolas,
>>>
>>> On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>> >> A visualization I would like to see would include:
>>> >
>>> >> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, BIP
>>> >> sipa
>>> > etc) based on what's published in blocks.
>>> >
>>> > If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs.
>>> > However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally BIP
>>> > they support.
>>>
>>> What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them appear
>>> in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?
>>>
>>> I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual)
>>> comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
>>> > list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
>>> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>> >
>>>
>>> - --
>>> http://abis.io ~
>>> "a protocol concept to enable decentralization
>>> and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
>>> https://keybase.io/odinn
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>>> Version: GnuPG v1
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>>> _______________________________________________
>>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>>> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
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>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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2015-08-25  8:46       ` Christian Decker

  
From: odinn @ 2015-08-30  7:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian Decker, Jeff Garzik
  Cc: Nicolas Dorier, Bitcoin development mailing list

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This is looking very good also (you've already seen it, but just
adding it to thread):

https://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/block_size_votes/7d?c=block_size_vot
es&r=hour&t=bar
(site by Kacper Cieśla (comboy))

On 08/25/2015 01:46 AM, Christian Decker wrote:
> Yes, the two dimensions are orthogonal: BIP 100 support and actual
> size voting. However there seem to be a few pools which simply vote
> to support BIP100, without specifying a desired block size [1],
> hence I started tracking both on the same chart, maybe I'll split
> them into different charts to clarify.
> 
> Regards, Chris
> 
> [1]
> https://blockchain.info/tx/ba1e5d21a340772d637ee5dc0bde8072ad1a7b499ba
241d5bfaae9618749531e
>
>  On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:46 PM Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail•com 
> <mailto:jgarzik@gmail•com>> wrote:
> 
> There is a duplicated column.
> 
> BIP 100 voting is /BV\d+/
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Christian Decker via bitcoin-dev 
> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org 
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> 
> I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it
> currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote
> for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/
> 
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev 
> <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org 
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Nicolas,
> 
> On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>> A visualization I would like to see would include:
> 
>>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101,
> 8MB, BIP
>>> sipa
>> etc) based on what's published in blocks.
> 
>> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on
> BIPxDevs.
>> However there is no standard way for miners to vote
> informally BIP
>> they support.
> 
> What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them
> appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?
> 
> I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) 
> comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing
>> list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org>
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
> list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org 
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> 
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing
> list bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org 
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> 
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
> 
> 

- -- 
http://abis.io ~
"a protocol concept to enable decentralization
and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
https://keybase.io/odinn
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