Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC

Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC
2022-11-14  2:21 ` Antoine Riard
  2022-11-15 23:47 ` Antoine Riard
  
From: Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-01  0:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion

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Hi list,

After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were
actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2
weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my
experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in
the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though
dunno yet good frequency).

If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in
the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during
the 1st session [0].

Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat
[1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions.

No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their expectations,
ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening with this new
covenants/contracting primitives R&D process.

If you have been working on a contracting
protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from
extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there:
https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues

Let it know if you have more questions or feedback.

Cheers,
Antoine

[0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we
can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we
start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe.

[1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings
rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs.

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2022-11-01  0:47 [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC Antoine Riard

  2022-11-15 22:36   ` alicexbt
  2022-11-15 23:47 ` Antoine Riard
  
From: Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-14  2:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion

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Reminder: this is happening this _upcoming_ Tuesday.

Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts
about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process:
anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK
rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas!

Best,
Antoine

Le lun. 31 oct. 2022 à 20:47, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com> a
écrit :

> Hi list,
>
> After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were
> actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2
> weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my
> experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in
> the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though
> dunno yet good frequency).
>
> If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in
> the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during
> the 1st session [0].
>
> Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat
> [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions.
>
> No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their
> expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening
> with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process.
>
> If you have been working on a contracting
> protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from
> extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there:
> https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues
>
> Let it know if you have more questions or feedback.
>
> Cheers,
> Antoine
>
> [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we
> can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we
> start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe.
>
> [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings
> rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs.
>

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2022-11-14  2:21 ` Antoine Riard

  2022-11-15 23:49     ` Antoine Riard
  
From: alicexbt @ 2022-11-15 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Antoine Riard;  Bitcoin Protocol Discussion

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Hi Bitcoin Developers,

> Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process: anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas!

Wanted to add CTV: BIP-119 OP_CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY if OP missed it. Easiest and best possible way to get covenants aka tx introspection with lot of research and development.

/dev/fd0

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------- Original Message -------
On Monday, November 14th, 2022 at 7:51 AM, Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> Reminder: this is happening this _upcoming_ Tuesday.
> Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process: anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas!
> Best,
> Antoine
>
> Le lun. 31 oct. 2022 à 20:47, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com> a écrit :
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2 weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though dunno yet good frequency).
>>
>> If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during the 1st session [0].
>>
>> Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions.
>>
>> No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process.
>>
>> If you have been working on a contracting protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there: https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues
>>
>> Let it know if you have more questions or feedback.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Antoine
>>
>> [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe.
>>
>> [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs.

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2022-11-01  0:47 [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Contracting Primitives WG 1st Meeting, Tuesday 15 Nov. 18:00 UTC Antoine Riard
  2022-11-14  2:21 ` Antoine Riard

  
From: Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-15 23:47 UTC ( / )
  To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion



Hi list,

1st meeting did happen this afternoon with like ~10 attendees, we browsed
the covenant interests of everyone: state channels, universal settlement
layer, transaction introspection covenants, vaults/self-custody, MATT
covenants, logical label covenant like transaction inherited IDs,
congestion control, DLC and few more.

One of the goal of the process suggested by one of the attendee could be to
address "1) misunderstanding of the state of development and desire for
some covenant-style upgrade, 2) coordinating around goals, drawbacks and
overlap of different proposals and 3) helping to highlight consensus
building around the goals and mechanism to achieve them".

Next meeting aims to do a 360 degree panorama of all the known consistent
contracting primitives as well as the contracting protocols in an archiving
effort. If you have more contracting primitives to pin, feel free to
modify:
https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/tree/main/primitives

Frequency schedule is for now every month, staying on the 3rd Tuesday of
every month. I'll announce them on time on the mailing list.

Meetings log available here:
https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/blob/main/meetings/meetings-15-11.md

If you have more suggestions to improve the process, feel free to comment.

Best,
Antoine

Le lun. 31 oct. 2022 à 20:47, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com> a
écrit :

> Hi list,
>
> After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were
> actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2
> weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my
> experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in
> the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though
> dunno yet good frequency).
>
> If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in
> the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during
> the 1st session [0].
>
> Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat
> [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions.
>
> No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their
> expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening
> with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process.
>
> If you have been working on a contracting
> protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from
> extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there:
> https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues
>
> Let it know if you have more questions or feedback.
>
> Cheers,
> Antoine
>
> [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we
> can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we
> start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe.
>
> [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings
> rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs.
>
2022-11-15 22:36   ` alicexbt

  
From: Antoine Riard @ 2022-11-15 23:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: alicexbt;  Bitcoin Protocol Discussion

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Hi alicexbt,

CTV is listed here:
https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/tree/main/primitives
as one of the primitive subject of research. Contributions are welcome.

Best,
Antoine

Le mar. 15 nov. 2022 à 17:37, alicexbt <alicexbt@protonmail•com> a écrit :

> Hi Bitcoin Developers,
>
> Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts
> about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process:
> anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK
> rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas!
>
>
> Wanted to add CTV: BIP-119 OP_CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY if OP missed it.
> Easiest and best possible way to get covenants aka tx introspection with
> lot of research and development.
>
> /dev/fd0
>
> Sent with Proton Mail <https://proton.me/> secure email.
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Monday, November 14th, 2022 at 7:51 AM, Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists•linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> Reminder: this is happening this _upcoming_ Tuesday.
>
> Looking forward to the first session, listening to everyone's thoughts
> about what could be the scope discussed by this new community process:
> anyprevout, recursive covenants, introspection, new malleability flags, ZK
> rollups, new contracting protocols and many more ideas!
>
> Best,
> Antoine
>
> Le lun. 31 oct. 2022 à 20:47, Antoine Riard <antoine.riard@gmail•com> a
> écrit :
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> After I have been asked offline the exact date when those meetings were
>> actually starting, I'm proposing Tuesday 15th November at 18:00 UTC, i.e 2
>> weeks from now. Thinking about a monthly frequency for now (from my
>> experience attending dlcspecs/lighnting specs meetings/core dev meetings in
>> the past, weekly sounds too much, biweekly/monthly sounds better though
>> dunno yet good frequency).
>>
>> If there is an incompatibility with another public engineering meeting in
>> the Bitcoin space, let it know. We can talk about a better schedule during
>> the 1st session [0].
>>
>> Communication venue is #bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg on Libera Chat
>> [1]. Feel free to lurk already and ask questions.
>>
>> No consistent agenda beyond listening to every attendee their
>> expectations, ideas, subjects of interests they would like to see happening
>> with this new covenants/contracting primitives R&D process.
>>
>> If you have been working on a contracting
>> protocols/side-chains/rollups/other use-cases that could benefit from
>> extended Bitcoin contracting primitives, feel free to open an issue there:
>> https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg/issues
>>
>> Let it know if you have more questions or feedback.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Antoine
>>
>> [0] It would be great to have a schedule inclusive of most timezones we
>> can, 18:00 UTC might be too early for Asian and Oceanic ones. Later, we
>> start to be exclusive towards contributors in Eastern Europe.
>>
>> [1] There have been more voices suggesting jitsi/audio-based meetings
>> rather than IRC. It's a cool format too, though coming with trade-offs.
>>
>
>

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