MurphyA/hacker-news huggingface dataset:
by echelon | 2025-12-10 19:04:27+00:00
> Kinda surprised they didn’t run into model collapse problems,

This is just model distillation.

Anyone with the expertise to build a model from scratch (which DeepSeek certainly can) can do this in a careful manner.

> but they stole their training data from other people who stole their training data from data collections that arguably stole them from content creators.

Bingo.

I have no problem with pirates pirating other pirates.

Screw OpenAI and Anthropic closed source models built from public data. The law should be that weights trained from non-owned sources should be public domain, or that any copyright holder can sue them and demand model takedown.

Google and Meta are probably the only two AI companies that have a right to license massive amounts of training data from social media and user file uploads given that their ToSes grant them these rights. But even Meta is pirating stuff.

Even if OpenAI and Anthropic continue pirating training data and keeping the results closed, China's open source strategy will win out in the end. It erodes the crust of value that is carefully guarded by the American giants. Everyone else will be integrating open models and hacking them apart, splicing them in new ways.
by spwa4 | 2025-12-10 19:04:28+00:00
You forget that the whole idea that public companies sell on the stock market is that any management, any idiot with an MBA, could just come in and take it over, making roughly the same profit as the people that sold.

If you don't believe that, you shouldn't be investing.

If you're going to make this argument, it'll only apply to private companies in founders' hands, maybe to family businesses, but certainly not to public companies.
by reissbaker | 2025-12-10 19:04:32+00:00
Terrorism doesn't mean "anything that makes someone scared," or else all wars would be acts of terrorism.

There isn't a universally agreed upon definition, but generally it refers to targeting non-combatants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

For example, when the Allies tried to assassinate Hitler with a smuggled briefcase bomb during WW2, that wasn't terrorism: that was just regular warfare. Hitler was the leader of Germany and directed its military.

Similarly, smuggling pager bombs to members of Hezbollah generally wouldn't qualify as terrorism, since Hezbollah a) is a militia (famously it's the largest non-state militia in the world), and b) was actively fighting a war against Israel — a war that Hezbollah themselves initiated.
by sethammons | 2025-12-10 19:05:35+00:00
At $WORK, we have a bot that integrates with Slack that sets up minor PRs. Adjusting tf, updating endpoints, adding simple handlers. It does pretty well.

Also in a case of just prose to code, Claude wrote up a concurrent data migration utility in Go. When I reviewed it, it wasn't managing goroutines or waitgroups well, and the whole thing was a buggy mess and could not be gracefully killed. I would have written it faster by hand, no doubt. I think I know more now and the calculus may be shifting on my AI usage. However, the following day, my colleague needed a nearly identical temporary tool. A 45 minute session with Claude of "copy this thing but do this other stuff" easily saved them 6-8 hours of work. And again, that was just talking with Claude.

I am doing a hybrid approach really. I write much of my scaffolding, I write example code, I modify quick things the ai made to be more like I want, I set up guard rails and some tests then have the ai go to town. Results are mixed but trending up still.

FWIW, our CEO has declared us to be AI-first, so we are to leverage AI in everything we do which I think is misguided. But you can bet they will be reviewing AI usage metrics and lower wont be better at $WORK.
by nradov | 2025-12-10 19:05:53+00:00
In general to avoid IP legal problems in the USA you can't do all of that yourself. Generally one party has to do all of the reverse engineering and write a specification based on that. Then another party can take that specification and write a "clean room" implementation.

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/how-compaqs-clone-comp...
by jMyles | 2025-12-10 19:07:16+00:00
> This gives governments an excuse to ban VPNs in the name of 'thinking of the children'. That might be the point though.

...then the rest of the world will see what the people of China and Russia already know: bans on VPNs cause them to explode in popularity and development pace.

There's a reason that the most sophisticated VPNs and tunneling tech are built to evade the GFW.

I recently visited a remote part of Siberia, and I was amazed at the ubiquity of VPNs. Grandmothers who grew up in shamanic traditions knew how to get around apparent traffic shaping (even on youtube!) to listen to their traditional music. It was quite inspiring.

I'm not saying bans are a good idea - I'd much rather the adults in the room read the writing on the wall and bring about peaceful dismantling of legacy states in favor of a censorship-resistant internet.

But it is coming either way.
by dekhn | 2025-12-10 19:07:42+00:00
I mean, many of us in academia (I was previously) have made things for industry only to learn that we ignored something important and obvious that was already known. I wish I could find the nice article that gave a bunch of examples of papers and concluded "John Deere already sells this product and it's being used at scale today; if you want to do better, at least be aware of what's going on in the field"
by whompyjaw | 2025-12-10 19:08:41+00:00
Maybe. Do you forget that people use to not have phones or social media and they still had independent thought? Just because kids aren’t introduced to videos and comments about politics at a young age, doesn’t mean they’re going to be brainwashed by the ruling government. Societies operated just the same before social media.

Edit: Dont get me wrong, there could be ulterior motives, but kids will have other ways to educate themselves on the happenings of the world beside social media
by 9rx | 2025-12-10 19:09:16+00:00
I'll grant you that people who don't understand the difference between academia and industry might mistakenly push themselves towards academia when they really want to be in industry, but we shouldn't take that as an understanding that academia and industry serve the same function. They have different names exactly because they are expected to be different. Academia is where one goes to explore oneself in pursuit of one's interests. Industry is where one goes to explore others in pursuit of serving their needs.
by yjftsjthsd-h | 2025-12-10 19:09:34+00:00
I'm not following.

* Does this still expect you to hit every key but some of them need multiple taps?

* Are they doing fancy autocorrect-like magic to decide which letter you meant, and if so why use this instead of taking it one more step and using http://minuum.com/ ?

* Or is it something else?
by tonyhart7 | 2025-12-10 19:09:57+00:00
"If I don't make the world worse then someone else will is such a depressing state of affairs."

its not make the world worse but simply take what matters to your group

does that evil??? hmmm noo, people call it patriotism

what do you think entire US military base reside in 80% of the world btw????? does US military doing picnic on these country?????

I can tell you answer but some people didn't want to confront reality and would be downvote me to hell

but in the end someone gotta to do it
by AshamedCaptain | 2025-12-10 19:10:47+00:00
what resolution is it that you can drive with "newer HDMI versions" but you cannot drive with DisplayPort 1.4 w/o DSC? The bandwidth difference is not really that much in practice, and "newer HDMI versions" also rely on DSC, or worse, chroma subsampling (objectively and subjectively worse).

I mean, one has been able to drive 5K, 4K@120Hz, etc. for almost over a decade with DP1.4, for the same res you need literally the latest version of HDMI (the "non" TDMS one). It's no wonder that display screens _have_ to use the latest version of HDMI, because otherwise they cannot be driven from a single HDMI port at all.

Having monitors that supported its native resolution through DP but not HDMI used to be a thing until very recently.
by cycomanic | 2025-12-10 19:11:05+00:00
Funny, but I (and I believe many who support this law) would say that's a good thing. The problem is not (and never was) social interaction online, it is large corporations designing their algorithms to be as addictive as possible to tie kids as early as possible to their services.

I have had to recently get back to using Facebook (after creating the account ~15 years ago and leaving it dormant for >10 years), due to several sports clubs using it as their only means of communication. It's scary how good these algorithms have become, I often only want to look up something related to the club and end up being roped into 1h of doomscrolling. And I'm an adult with significant better impulse control than most teenagers.
by CodingJeebus | 2025-12-10 19:11:15+00:00
> I think humans have been social creatures since the dawn of our species and in these most intimate conversations are going to want to be having them with an actual human. One of my mentors has talked about how after years of virtual sessions dominating, the demand for in-person sessions is spiking back up.

Agreed. I used to frequent a coworking space in my area that eventually went fully automated and got rid of their daytime front desk folks. I stopped going shortly thereafter because one of the highlights of my day was catching up with them. Instead of paying $300/mo to go sit in a nice office, I could just use that money to renovate my home office.

A business trying to cultivate community loses the plot when they rely completely on automation.
by latexr | 2025-12-10 19:11:32+00:00
I love it when you share some insight about HN or internet communication for which you have relevant searches at the ready to explanations of the concept.

A personal favourite is “the contrarian dynamic”.

Do you have a list of those at the ready or do you just remember them? If you feel like sharing, what’s your process and is there a list of those you’d make public?

I imagine having one would be useful, e.g. for onboarding someone like tomhow, though that doesn’t really happen often.
by thatguy0900 | 2025-12-10 19:11:34+00:00
Well the companies that facilitate this have found themselves in a position where if they go down they take the US economy with them, so the maybe this shouldn't happen thing is a moot point. At least we know this stuff is in stable, secure hands though, like how the palantir ceo does recorded interviews while obviously blasted out of his mind on drugs.
by ada1981 | 2025-12-10 19:11:39+00:00
For the IDF, a 28.6% civilian death rate is actually quite good. Their own classified data reveals an 83% civilian casualty rate in Gaza—nearly three times worse.

The Lebanon pager attack: 12 civilians (including 2 children) killed out of 42 total deaths (28.6% civilian casualty rate).

Gaza genocide: Leaked IDF intelligence documents show 8,900 militants killed out of 53,000 total deaths as of May 2025 (83% civilian casualty rate).
by phkahler | 2025-12-10 19:12:50+00:00
EDIT: Nevermind. Perhaps it was an ad that I clicked on. Lots of comments here indicating they don't see it, and some that did.

My Original comment here (too late to delete):

Beware. When you reach the end there is a "more projects" button. In there is a cute IQ test (possibly appealing to the HN crowd). When you reach the end of the test it asks for email, and then ultimately wants $1 to get your results. If you pay by credit card due note that there is an auto-checked box for some $29.99 per month subscription for... something.
by tarikdz | 2025-12-10 19:13:04+00:00
I keep running into mid-sized, established product companies with decent internal teams that still move at a crawl-huge backlogs, tech debt nobody touches, features slipping quarter after quarter. Hiring isn’t the fix anymore, so they bring in external dev teams… and half the time it feels like adding more cooks to an already confused kitchen.

Are there cases where external teams really do outperform scaling internally?
by nickorlow | 2025-12-10 19:13:12+00:00
I think this is is less significant b/c

1. Most of these companies are AI companies & would want to say that to promote whatever tool they're building

2. Selection b/c YC is looking to fund companies embracing AI

3. Building a greenfield project with AI to the quality of what you need to be a YC-backed company isn't particularly "world-class"
by hedayet | 2025-12-10 19:13:40+00:00
Controlling access to any substance is a long process, and the motives aren’t always clear at the beginning.

I’m not sure why Australian policymakers chose to take this step now, but regardless of the motive, it feels like a meaningful starting point. Social media’s engagement-driven echo chamber model has contributed to a deeply divided world, and governments stepping in can at least make parents’ jobs a little easier.
by andrewcamel | 2025-12-10 19:14:11+00:00
Philosophical question, but after reaching critical mass, should languages even aspire to more? I.e. do you risk becoming "master of none"? What's wrong with specialist languages? I.e. best of breed vs best of suite?

I agree with author Go is getting squeezed, but it has its use cases. "COBOL of could native" implies it's not selected for new things, but I reach for it frequently (Go > Java for "enterprise software" backends, Go > others for CLI tools, obviously cloud native / terraform / CI ecosystem, etc.).

However in "best of suite" world, ecosystem interop matters. C <> Go is a pain point. As is WASM <> Go. Both make me reach for Rust.
by creata | 2025-12-10 19:14:18+00:00
I can't see this as decisive.

* The ban only targets ten services.

* The ban applies only to actually logging into the service - everything can still be viewed when logged out. Users are still being tracked while logged out.

* Reddit (and possibly other services) are complying simply by using heuristics to detect under-16 users - they're not even employing any reliable verification measures.
by johnfn | 2025-12-10 19:14:41+00:00
I only write around 5% of the code I ship, maybe less. For some reason when I make this statement a lot of people sweep in to tell me I am an idiot or lying, but I really have no reason to lie (and I don't think I'm an idiot!). I have 10+ years of experience as an SWE, I work at a Series C startup in SF, and we do XXMM ARR. I do thoroughly audit all the code that AI writes, and often go through multiple iterations, so it's a bit of a more complex picture, but if you were to simply say "a developer is not writing the code", it would be an accurate statement.

Though I do think "advanced software team" is kind of an absurd phrase, and I don't think there is any correlation with how "advanced" the software you build is and how much you need AI. In fact, there's probably an anti-correlation: I think that I get such great use out of AI primarily because we don't need to write particularly difficult code, but we do need to write a lot of it. I spend a lot of time in React, which AI is very well-suited to.

EDIT: I'd love to hear from people who disagree with me or think I am off-base somehow about which particular part of my comment (or follow-up comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46222640) seems wrong. I'm particularly curious why when I say I use Rust and code faster everyone is fine with that, but saying that I use AI and code faster is an extremely contentious statement.
by sofixa | 2025-12-10 19:14:44+00:00
> Whoa there, Bloomberg; just because the USA bans the sale of something to your country doesn't make it banned in your country.

Many Americans, including their government, seem to think that US laws apply globally.

They have extradited Ukrainian men from Poland because that Ukrainian was running a torrent website (illegal in the US, not illegal in Ukraine nor Poland).

They tried getting an Australian extradited from Sweden and the UK for supposedly hosting a website that contained information the US government considered illegally obtained.

More egregiously, they have kidnapped tens to hundreds of people from various countries, sometimes on reasons as flimsy as watch model or name, to torture (sometimes to death), because a lawyer working for the president decided that's actually legal because they're waves hands "enemy combattants".
by bpye | 2025-12-10 19:15:01+00:00
The iGPU on my 9950X is perfectly capable of driving my Dell U4025QW 5k2k ultrawide. Yeah it would suck for any modern 3D games, but for productivity or light gaming it's fine.

It requires I use the DisplayPort out on Linux because I can't use HDMI 2.1. Because the motherboard has only 1 each of DisplayPort and HDMI this limits my second screen.
by awillowingmind | 2025-12-10 19:15:26+00:00
You are framing this as if you had no in person social connections due to your circumstances. By your OWN admission elsewhere in this thread, this is untrue:

> Kids are in these spaces because there is no place for them to be. People call the police on unaccompanied kids outside. Teens are banned from malls. Where are teens supposed to be where they won't be harassed. When I was a kid we used to just wander around and chat. There used to be a whole event on Friday evenings where high schoolers would decent on this mall across the street from two movie theaters. We went to the skating ring. There were teen clubs. More. Right now, I can't think of a single place a teen could just hang out besides at each other houses which is mostly what I watch them do. It makes sense why they end up in virtual spaces. They can socialize privately that way.

What I am saying is that we should work toward bringing those ^ spaces BACK, rather than allowing kids to wallow in digital space. The more we are online, the more difficult that becomes. The more time we spend in digital space, the more we lose control over our physical spaces.
by skissane | 2025-12-10 19:15:56+00:00
We know other species have different maximum lifespans-some shorter, some longer. Obviously this is determined by genetics-as our knowledge of that subject continues to improve, why wouldn’t we eventually work out how to alter it?

We can already change the maximum lifespan of some other species. Why shouldn’t we expect to gradually be able to do it for more species? And then what makes humans special that we couldn’t eventually do the same for humans?
by aidevops | 2025-12-10 19:16:00+00:00
Hey HN!

I built DevLoop because I was tired of shipping bugs to production.

*The problem*: Manual testing is tedious. I'd skip it, ship fast, and then get bug reports from users.

*The solution*: Automated QA that runs with one command.

npx create-devloop ./scripts/qa.sh all

*What it does:*

1. API Smoke Tests - Hits every endpoint, validates responses 2. UI Screenshots - Captures at 3 viewports (1920px, 768px, 375px) 3. AI Vision Analysis - Uses vision models to detect broken layouts 4. Production Monitoring - Continuous health checks with Slack alerts 5. GitHub Actions - Runs on every PR, blocks broken code

*Tech details:*

- CLI is vanilla Node.js (no build step) - Backend is FastAPI + PostgreSQL - Screenshots via headless Chrome - AI analysis via Claude API - Deployed on Fly.io

*What it's NOT:*

- Not a Selenium replacement (no browser automation scripts) - Not for E2E test recording (yet) - Not enterprise-grade (intentionally simple)

*Pricing*: $19/mo for solo devs, $39/mo for 5 projects

npm: https://www.npmjs.com/package/create-devloop

I'd love feedback on: 1. Is "simple automated testing" useful, or do people need full E2E? 2. Any architectural improvements? 3. Pricing thoughts?

Happy to discuss implementation details.
by cosmic_cheese | 2025-12-10 19:16:06+00:00
It might be nice for a little while, but the PC component is going to age much more poorly than the display will.

I think the better move would be for Valve to make a really nice gamer-oriented dumb TV that's essentially a 50"+ monitor. Kind of like those BFGDs (Big Format Gaming Displays) sans the exorbitant prices. The size of a Steam Box is in comparison quite diminutive, so finding a place to put it shouldn't be too much of an issue and the ability to swap it out for a newer model with the same screen 5+ years down the road would be nice.
by varenc | 2025-12-10 19:16:18+00:00
Link? couldn't find the IQ test in more projects. And super skeptical neal.fun is trying to trick people into $30/month subscriptions

edit: I turned off my ad blocker and discovered the site is showing some ads. Guessing you clicked on an ad?

also it's pretty ironic because one of his projects is showcasing dark patterns: https://neal.fun/dark-patterns/
by modeless | 2025-12-10 19:17:22+00:00
This is a cool idea. I would install a Chrome extension that shows a score by every username on this site grading how well their expressed opinions match what subsequently happened in reality, or the accuracy of any specific predictions they've made. Some people's opinions are closer to reality than others and it's not always correlated with upvotes.

An extension of this would be to grade people on the accuracy of the comments they upvote, and use that to weight their upvotes more in ranking. I would love to read a version of HN where the only upvotes that matter are from people who agree with opinions that turn out to be correct. Of course, only HN could implement this since upvotes are private.
by collinmcnulty | 2025-12-10 19:17:38+00:00
This is my plan at least

1. Don't build the Torment Nexus yourself. Don't work for them and don't give them your money.

2. When people you know say they're taking a new job to work at Torment Nexus, act like that's super weird, like they said they're going to work for the Sinaloa cartel. Treat rich people working on the Torment Nexus like it's cringe to quote them.

3. Get hostile to bots. Poison the data. Use AdNauseum and Anubis.

4. Give your non-tech friends the vague sense that this stuff is bad. Some might want to listen more, but most just take their sense of what's cool and good from people they trust in the area.
by echelon | 2025-12-10 19:18:03+00:00
> For the sake of someone unfamiliar... Why is that?

I edited my comment, but basically they both own massive social media properties (YouTube, Instagram, Facebook) or file upload sites (Google Drive, Google Photos, Gmail) and their ToSes grant them these rights. You accept these terms when you use their services.

That's not great, but we are getting free services. It's in the terms.

It's a whole lot better than just scraping without permission, compensation, acknowledgement, or even notice.

To be clear, I have no problem with these models being built. But if they "steal" the data, the resultant model shouldn't be owned by anyone. It should be public domain and not allowed to be kept as a trade secret.

And it's funny that Anthropic is trying to depress our wages by training on our code. Again - I'm fine with that - I want to work faster, and I like these models and their capabilities. But Anthropic shouldn't be able to own the models they train off of us exclusively since they didn't license or buy our data. They provided us with nothing at all.
by realityloop | 2025-12-10 19:18:16+00:00
No, it’s that he will spend hours doom scrolling whatever they feed to him.. I’ve tried to lead him down a path of watching more educational stuff on YouTube but he will just end up doom scrolling shorts.. I’m trying to figure out ways to enable him access but not have him waste hours with shorts.. I know there must be short form content that’s good but I’ve not seen any evidence watching over his shoulder.. I block shorts on YouTube for myself even.. at this point the best I can think of is allowing access in short windows of time with longer chunks of blocked access.. if anyone has ideas I’d love to hear them.