MurphyA/hacker-news huggingface dataset:
by jfalcon | 2025-12-03 20:38:01+00:00
206dev here...

Oh yeah, call out a tech city and all the butt-hurt-ness comes out. Perfect example of "Rage Bait".

People here aren't hurt because of AI - people here are hurt because they learned they were just line items in a budget.

When the interest rates went up in 2022/2023 and the cheap money went away, businesses had to pivot their taxes while appeasing the shareholder.

Remember that time when Satya went to a company sponsored rich people thing with Aerosmith or whomever playing while announcing thousands of FTE's being laid off? Yeah, that...

If your job can be done by a very small shell script, why wasn't it done before?
by signatoremo | 2025-12-03 20:38:07+00:00
Data centers last decades. Many or the current AI hosting vendors such as Coreweave have crypto origin. Their data centers were built out in 2010s, early 2020s.

Many of legacy systems still running today are IBM or Solaris servers at 20, 30 year old. No reason to believe GPU won’t still be in use in some capacity (e.g. interference) a decade from now.
by LoganDark | 2025-12-03 20:38:13+00:00
> I suspect most of these cases aren't bots, they're users who put their thoughts, possibly in another language, into an LLM and ask it to form the comment for them. They like the text they see so they copy and paste it into HN.

Yes, if this is LLM then it definitely wouldn't be zero-shot. I'm still on the fence myself as I've seen similar writing patterns with Asperger's (specifically what used to be called Asperger's; not general autism spectrum) but those comments don't appear to show any of the other tells to me, so I'm not particularly confident one way or the other.
by bigstrat2003 | 2025-12-03 20:38:16+00:00
> What I never understand is the population of coders that don’t see any value in coding agents or are aggressively against them, or people that deride LLMs as failing to be able to do X (or hallucinate etc) and are therefore useless and every thing is AI Slop, without recognizing that what we can do today is almost unrecognizeable from the world of 3 years ago.

I don't recognize that because it isn't true. I try the LLMs every now and then, and they still make the same stupid hallucinations that ChatGPT did on day 1. AI hype proponents love to make claims that the tech has improved a ton, but based on my experience trying to use it those claims are completely baseless.
by StableAlkyne | 2025-12-03 20:38:21+00:00
Do you have a source for this? I don't see any indication from a quick Google other than this thread as the second result.

The license at: https://github.com/juce-framework/JUCE/blob/master/LICENSE.m...

indicates you can just license any module under agpl and avoid the JUCE 8 license (which to be fair, I'm not bothering to read)
by motbus3 | 2025-12-03 20:38:29+00:00
There is the WEF thing as other have mentioned but company representatives have said that

One recent case https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1981i3j/ubisoft_get...

But you see that everywhere. You buy the hardware but the company may block your property totally or partially.

You buy a car but pays to use heated seat? Who eats this thing that you haven't paid extra for the seats. The costs are just sunk in other parts.

You buy a movie but it can be revoked. You buy an smart tv that can have features revoked. You barely can pay your rent because now everyone needs to rent because no one has money to buy except equity firms.

There is no need for "they" to be a centralised being. It is just happening. Doesn't matter who or if there are a "they".

We live in a world where people think that the homeless man is the enemy because people are to simple minded to not understand why there are incentives to keep make it worse and worse.
by lukan | 2025-12-03 20:38:35+00:00
Like another commentor mentioned, I think that only works for a specific cheat(engine) - as long as they don't adjust (and randomize more for example). If it could be solved with some statistics, I think it would have been done already. I ain't a statistician though, but if you feel confident, I think there is quite some money in it, if you find a real world solution.
by seanmcdirmid | 2025-12-03 20:38:46+00:00
It actually does, if you believe that the people in leadership positions have been earning money for longer and have more experience in investing. You could also easily argue that they are more successful in general than congress people of similar tenure who aren't in leadership positions.

You are basically comparing the CEO to middle layer management, and then what do you expect? You need to do a more balanced comparison than that to show an actual discrepancy. Or maybe get congress to dole leadership positions out at random and then compare?
by mjr00 | 2025-12-03 20:39:00+00:00
> Predictions of “2025 is the year of coding agents” from a chorus of otherwise unpalatable CEOs was in fact absolutely true…

... but maybe not in the way that these CEOs had hoped.[0]

Part of the AI fatigue is that busy, competent devs are getting swarmed with massive amounts of slop from not-very-good developers. Or product managers getting 5 paragraphs of GenAI bug reports instead of a clear and concise explanation.

I have high hopes for AI and think generative tooling is extremely useful in the right hands. But it is extremely concerning that AI is allowing some of the worst, least competent people to generate an order of magnitude more "content" with little awareness of how bad it is.

[0] https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/14369
by grayhatter | 2025-12-03 20:39:17+00:00
> I agree with you. It is shitty behavior to say it is not AI written when it clearly is.

> But I also think we at this point should just assume that everything is partially written using AI.

Using "but" here implies your 2nd line is a partial refutation to the first. No one would have been angry if he'd posted it without clearly lying. Using AI isn't what pissed anyone off, being directly lied to (presumably to get around the strict "made by humans" rules across all the various Zig communities). Then there was the abusive PR edits attacking someone that seems to have gotten him banned. And his history of typosquatting, both various crypto surfaces, and cursor, and the typosquatting account for zigglang. People are mad because the guy is a selfish asshole, not because he dared to use AI.

Nothing I've written has been assisted by AI in any way, and I know a number of people who do and demand the same. I don't think it's a reasonable default assumption.
by thorum | 2025-12-03 20:39:23+00:00
People hate what the corporations want AI to be and people hate when AI is used the way corporations seem to think it should be used, because the executives at these companies have no taste and no vision for the future of being human. And that is what people think of when they hear “AI”.

I still think there’s a third path, one that makes people’s lives better with thoughtful, respectful, and human-first use of AI. But for some reason there aren’t many people working on that.
by parsimo2010 | 2025-12-03 20:39:35+00:00
I almost wish Hadley had forked R to make the tidyverse. What I usually see are people that start using tidy functions and coding style, but at some point they realize they don’t know how to do something the tidy way or something hasn’t been implemented in a tidy package yet, so they fall back to base R.

Imho, transitioning from tidy to base R makes your code less readable than just using base R throughout.

If the tidyverse were forked and base R functions weren’t available then people would be forced to come up with a different solution and maybe they would stay committed to being tidy. I realize that probably won’t ever happen, there is too much work to reimplement all the missing base R functions.
by harmmonica | 2025-12-03 20:39:35+00:00
So they're now putting in aggressive caps and the other two paths they have to address the gap is to drive the/their cost of those tokens way down and/or the user pays many multiples of their current subscription. That's not to say that's odd for any business to expect their costs to decrease substantially and their pricing power to increase, but even if the gap is "only" low thousands to $200 that's...significant. Thanks for the insight.
by mips_avatar | 2025-12-03 20:40:23+00:00
My SF friends think they have a shot at working at a company whose AI products are good (cursor, anthropic, etc.), so that removes a lot of the hopelessness.

Working for a month out of Bali was wonderful, it's mostly Australians and Dutch people working remotely. Especially those who ran their own businesses were super encouraging (though maybe that's just because entrepreneurs are more supportive of other entrepreneurs).
by dedup-com | 2025-12-03 20:40:36+00:00
"Why shouldn't it" does not answer the question, which is "what made desktop computers (and servers, to a certain degree) a unique popular product that customers routinely build out of parts".

I am not questioning repairs (which almost never happen, as PC hardware in general is very robust these days) or upgrades to factory-built PCs (which should account for probably 1% of the PC component retail volume). I am wondering why there is an entire industry selling colorful boxes (as opposed to brown cardboard with a part number) with things that are not usable in any way when taken out of the box and are only functional when combined with 10+ other things in somewhat nontrivial way. Forget about "why shouldn't it" and "it was like this forever" and look at this phenomenon with a fresh eye. This is ridiculous (in a factual way, not saying this judgmentally).
by tombert | 2025-12-03 20:40:41+00:00
I love Proton and I like Steam and Valve definitely has done a lot of good for the FOSS world, but let’s not make the same mistakes we made with Google by worshipping a company.

All it takes is new management to change the policies to make the company horrible and evil, and in the case of Google people made the realization far too late, and now Google owns too much of the internet to avoid.
by sirkaiwade | 2025-12-03 20:40:50+00:00
I appreciate the feedback. The subscription model covers ongoing development, bug fixes, OS compatibility updates, new features, and yes, my time maintaining and improving the app. I understand the preference for one-time purchases, and it's something I'm considering for future pricing options. That said, the subscription model allows me to provide continuous improvements rather than holding features hostage for paid upgrades. I respect that it's not for everyone, and I appreciate you giving the app a try!
by ajkjk | 2025-12-03 20:41:13+00:00
> like building an AI product made me part of the problem.

It's not about their careers. It's about the injustice of the whole situation. Can you possibly perceive the injustice? That the thing they're pissed about is the injustice? You're part of the problem because you can't.

That's why it's not about whether the tools are good or bad. Most of them suck, also, but occasionally they don't--but that's not the point. The point is the injustice of having them shoved in your face; of having everything that could be doing good work pivot to AI instead; of everyone shamelessly bandwagoning it and ignoring everything else; etc.
by cortesoft | 2025-12-03 20:41:33+00:00
> The only reason people make money off of stocks is because at the end, someone gives those companies money. And everyone has a choice to vote with their wallets and through their actions in general.

This ‘voting with your wallet’ argument always ignores the problem of collective action. Even if every individual would prefer the bad companies to not exist (or at least to not behave the way they do), the rational choice is still to purchase products from them if their product is superior and/or cheaper.

Take something like Walmart or Amazon. I think a majority of people dislike the way they do business (the way they treat their employees, the environment, and competitors), but the only choice a consumer has is “shop there and get the cheaper prices, and the company continues to exist like it does” or “don’t shop their, pay more money for things, and the company continues to exist like it does”

Me, as an individual customer, can’t make the company stop existing in its current form. They aren’t going to miss my business. It isn’t even a rounding error on their balance sheet. My only choice is to get the cheaper prices or not.

Even if the company would change if everyone stopped shopping, I don’t get to make that choice. Hell, if everyone else is stopping shopping there and they are going to go out of business, it is STILL in my best interest to shop their while I can and save the money… it isn’t like my business is going to SAVE them any more than it will kill them.

You can’t kill a business practice by voting with your wallet.

The only time consumer choice will work is when the individual consumer has a better alternative; if I get a better PERSONAL experience (either cheaper or a better product) by shopping somewhere else, then voting with your wallet makes sense and will work (because everyone will have the same incentive). Companies won’t be punished for their external costs by their customers, since the customers aren’t choosing to suffer those costs or not; they suffer the external costs no matter what, they only can choose to enjoy the benefits or not. Why suffer the external costs AND not even get to enjoy the benefits?

This is why change has to come from some binding collective action (like legislation or regulation or something), not individual consumer choice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action_problem
by pstuart | 2025-12-03 20:41:38+00:00
> Has there been any actual, life transformative use cases from an LLM outside of code generation?

Content analysis and summarization is a big win in my view.

Having also been around during the emergence of the personal computer revolution I'm reminded of how having a home computer could be helpful for keeping recipes and balancing checkbooks -- it was the promise of "someday" that fueled optimism. Then the killer apps of spreadsheets, word processing, and desktop publishing sealed the deal.

Following that analogy we're at the Apple ][ stage -- it works and shows capabilities but there's likely so much more ahead.
by NewsaHackO | 2025-12-03 20:41:44+00:00
I think it's because it is difficult to actually add an em dash when writing with a keyboard (except I heard on Macs). So it's either they 1)memorized the em dash alt code, 2)had a keyboard shortcut for the key, or 3)are using the character map to insert it every time, all of which are a stretch for a random online post.
by zzzeek | 2025-12-03 20:42:44+00:00
the list of people who write code, use high quality LLM agents (not chatbots) like Claude, and report not just having success with the tools but watching the tools change how they think about programming, continues to grow. The sudden appearance of LLMs has had a really destabilizing effect on everything, and a vast portion of what LLMs can do and/or are being used for runs from intellectually stifling (using LLMs to write your term papers) to revolting (all kinds of non-artists/writers/musicians using LLM to suddenly think they are "creators" and displacing real artists, writers, and musicians) to utterly degenerate (political / sexual deepfakes of real people, generation of antivax propaganda, etc). Put on top of that the way corporate America is absolutely doing the very familiar "blockchain" dance on this and insisting everyone has to do AI all the time everywhere is a huge problem that hopefully will shake out some in the coming years.

But despite all that, for writing, refactoring, and debugging computer code, LLM agents are still completely game changing. All of these things are true at the same time. There's no way someone that works with real code all day could spent an honest few weeks with a tool like Claude and come away calling it "hype". someone might still not prefer it, or it's not for them, but to claim it's "hype", that's not possible.
by xrd | 2025-12-03 20:42:46+00:00
I'm really excited about Ghostty (and Zig mostly because of my exposure via ghostty). Until ghostty I hadn't really considered that a terminal would be a catalyst for innovation and even startups. But, libghostty is REALLY fascinating. And, all the good AI coding tools, IMHO, operate inside a terminal, and my head is spinning with ideas about hammering on the container for these new CLIs.

(UWash CompSci strikes again, not that I'm biased)
by 1zael | 2025-12-03 20:42:49+00:00
I don't think the root cause here is AI. It's the repeated pattern of resistance to massive technological change by system-level incentives. This story has happened again and again throughout recent history.

I expect it to settle out in a few years where: 1. The fiduciary duties of company shareholders will bring them to a point of stopping to chase AI hype and instead derive an understanding of whether it's driving real top-line value for their business or not. 2. Mid to senior career engineers will have no choice but to level up their AI skills to stay relevant in the modern workforce.
by RansomStark | 2025-12-03 20:43:05+00:00
Maybe this is the key takeaway of GenAI: that some access to data, even partially hallucinated data, is better than the hoops that the security theatre puts in place that prevents average Joe doing their job.

This might just be a golden age for getting access to the data you need for getting the job done.

Next security will catch up and there'll be a good balance between access and control.

Then, as always security goes to far and nobody can get anything done.

It's a tale as old as computer security.
by mrcwinn | 2025-12-03 20:43:09+00:00
Whatever you think about AI, it is a good that Anthropic go public and I argue it’s consistent with their mission. It’s better for the public to have a way to own a piece of the company.

In an interview Sam Altman said he preferred to stay away from an IPO, but the notion of the public having an interest in the company appealed to him. Actions speak louder than words, and so it is fitting from a mission standpoint that Anthropic may do it first.
by jaggederest | 2025-12-03 20:43:17+00:00
I'd guess that there's markedly different margins on lootboxes versus running the entire steam store.

I'd be surprised if lootboxes only earned them 6% of profits, I'd guess they're something like 10% or more, assuming that they're like 90% margin and the regular steam store side is more like 50% margin (which is still absurd, for what it's worth).
by BrandoElFollito | 2025-12-03 20:43:53+00:00
I live west of Paris and I need 3-4 commutes to get to the average place in Paris.

I looked for and then contemplated writing an app that would optimize a car + public transportation route (exactly one of each) to park at a station relatively away from the city, and get closest to the destination in one train/metro ride (reasonable walking to the final destination is ok).

This is because driving in Paris is a nightmare, and then finding a spot to park is a treasure hunt (except if you park underground - they have a facility to elegantly get your kindney to pay for the parking).

I do not think it would be that difficult to write: the transport data is public and plentiful, openstreetmap has routing. I may get back to the idea someday.
by ck2 | 2025-12-03 20:44:02+00:00
isolation transformers are way cheaper than double conversion and should work as well?

well they used to be cheaper, not sure what is going with prices these day, I remember this being around $100 a decade ago

https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/146730/Tripp-Lite-500...

https://www.officedepot.com/a/products/493958/Tripp-Lite-100...
by Loughla | 2025-12-03 20:44:25+00:00
>AI is certainly not reliable enough for me to jeopardize the quality of my work by using it heavily.

I mean this in sincerity, and not at all snarky, but - have you considered that you haven't used the tools correctly or effectively? I find that I can get what I need from chatbots (and refuse to call them AI until we have general AI just to be contrary) if I spend a couple of minutes considering constraints and being careful with my prompt language.

When I've come across people in my real life who say they get no value from chatbots, it's because they're asking poorly formed questions, or haven't thought through the problem entirely. Working with chatbots is like working with a very bright lab puppy. They're willing to do whatever you want, but they'll definitely piss on the floor unless you tell them not to.

Or am I entirely off base with your experience?
by marmarama | 2025-12-03 20:44:38+00:00
Loads of GPUs with Vulkan support use TBDR. The Adreno GPU in the Steam Frame's SnapDragon SoC, for one.

There is also a Vulkan driver for the M1/M2 GPU already, used in Asahi Linux. There's nothing special about Apple's GPU that makes writing a Vulkan driver for it especially hard. Apple chooses to provide a Metal driver only for its own reasons, but they're not really technical.
by balamatom | 2025-12-03 20:44:43+00:00
Or maybe these are people who learned from a LLM that English is supposed to sound like this if you want to be permitted to communicate a.k.a. "to be taken into consideration"! Which is wrong and also kinda sucks, but also it sucks and is wrong for a kinda non-obvious reason.

Or, bear with me there, maybe things aren't so far downhill yet, these users just learned how English is supposed to sound, from the same place where the LLMs learned how English is supposed to sound! Which is just the Internet.

AI hype is already ridiculous; the whole "are you using an AI to write your posts for you" paranoia is even more absurd. So what if they are? Then they'd just be stupid, futile thoughts leading exactly nowhere. Just like most non-AI-generated thoughts, except perhaps the one which leads to the fridge.
by jakubmazanec | 2025-12-03 20:44:44+00:00
Related article posted here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46133941 explains it: "Within the A.I.’s training data, the em dash is more likely to appear in texts that have been marked as well-formed, high-quality prose. A.I. works by statistics. If this punctuation mark appears with increased frequency in high-quality writing, then one way to produce your own high-quality writing is to absolutely drench it with the punctuation mark in question. So now, no matter where it’s coming from or why, millions of people recognize the em dash as a sign of zero-effort, low-quality algorithmic slop."
by desireco42 | 2025-12-03 20:44:52+00:00
I-LOVE-IT!

At least to me, this is totally fresh take on AI and providing answers. OpenAI is burning through billions without trying to make nicer interface or just come up with some innovation how to train models (Qwen and Minimax). Unlike Claude who tries to smother you with content and emojis, I got clean and focused answer to my query and an app.

Again, love it, thank you. If you have to sell yourself, make sure you get a lot of billions.
by sulicat | 2025-12-03 20:45:08+00:00
I'm probably one of the people that would say AI (at least LLMs) isn't all its cracked up to be and even I have examples where it has been useful to me.

I think the feeling stems from the exaggeration of the value it provides combined with a large number of internal corporate LLMs being absolute trash.

The overvaluation is seen in effect everywhere from the stock market, the price of RAM, the cost of energy as well as IP theft issues etc etc. AI has taken over and yet it still feels like just a really good fuzzy search. Like yeah I can search something 10x faster than before but might get a bad answer every now and then.

Yeah its been useful (so have many other things). No it's not worth building trillion dollar data centers for. I would be happier if the spend went towards manufacturing or semiconductor fabs.