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by bloppe | 2025-11-03 19:52:59+00:00
Ya, the fact this was published on November 3, 2025 is pretty hilarious. This was last year's debate.

I think the best avenue toward actually answering your questions starts with OpenWorm [1]. I helped out in a Connectomics research lab in college. The technological and epistemic hurdles are pretty daunting, but so were those for Genomics last century, and now full-genome sequencing is cheap and our understanding of various genes is improving at an accelerating pace. If we can "just" accurately simulate a natural mammalian brain on a molecular level using supercomputers, I think people would finally agree that we've achieved a truly thinking machine.

[1]: https://archive.ph/0j2Jp
by Aviagen | 2025-11-03 19:53:00+00:00
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by JumpCrisscross | 2025-11-03 19:53:05+00:00
> Wikipedia would do really well for itself if it instead created a set of public high level rules for an open model to follow

This is literally every LLM that quotes Wikipedia.

The value in Wikipedia is it’s curated. A model is the opposite of that.

As for the topic at hand, it seems nobody agrees on what genocide means anymore, few are willing to accept there is legitimate disagreement, everyone has a unique definition they’re loudly committed to, all of which makes the entire debate self obsessed.
by droopyEyelids | 2025-11-03 19:53:07+00:00
There are all sorts of ugly industrialized systems required to support our world of 8 billion people.

It's incredibly difficult to square them with how we want to perceive life. Your brain immediately wants to slip into a counterfactual fantasy, "Meat isn't required, we could all be vegetarian" etc.

I don't have an answer to it. Factory farming is a nightmare beyond most horror. It's hard enough to even make a list of all these ugly areas. I think the necessity of plastics is another, lesser example.
by delichon | 2025-11-03 19:53:32+00:00
Thanks for that scholarly and thoughtful comment. The intro to The Roads Must Roll is an example of that complexity. It starts with a labor union meeting arguing for the workers to strike, and then a counter argument that could be an unacknowledged contribution from Ayn Rand. And this was from the presumably progressive early Heinlein.

I'd like to be there for a debate between 1940 Heinlein and 1980 Heinlein. I wouldn't be surprised if that event is scheduled for the Howard family reunion at the end of time and Time Enough for Love.
by toast0 | 2025-11-03 19:53:41+00:00
California residents with high income are already paying 50% income tax; if you include social security and medicare tax, it's even more. 20% sales tax is high, but if you're buying imported things that are being tariffed at high rates and then paying sales tax on that it's about there.

IMHO, if you look at European tax rates vs benefits, and US tax rates vs benefits; US taxes simply aren't efficient, our rates are a little lower and our benefits are a lot lower. Healthcare costs could be significantly reduced if the whole thing were managed as a whole. Do we really need every medical office to have an insurance billing expert whose only job is to interface between the chart and the various insurance rules? OTOH, if you cut out 10% of the cost, healthcare is still expensive, and insurance billing coders and the people who work the other side of that would all be out of work.

Managing healthcare as a whole, you'd be able to do systemwide interventions like increasing residency spots to increase supply of Doctors, and set standards for what care can be delivered by Nurse Practitioners to balance demand against supply.

OTOH, you'd have people complaining that life clocks are a lie, and carousel is a lie and that there is no renewal.
by prmph | 2025-11-03 19:53:59+00:00
> "quite robust against disturbances."

does not mean that the essential thing gives rise to consciousness is only approximate. To give an example from software, you can write software is robust against bad input, attempts to crash it, even bit flips. But, if I came in and just changed a single character in the source code, that may cause it to fail compilation, fail to run, or become quite buggy.

> If you don't want that to be true, you need some kind of magic,

This is just what I'm saying is a false dichotomy. The only reason some are unable to see beyond it is that we think the basic logic we understand are all there could be.

In this respect physics has been very helpful, because without peering into reality, we would have kept deluding ourselves that pure reason was enough to understand the world.

It's like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a well educated person or scientist from the 16th century without the benefit of experimental evidence. No way they'd believe you. In fact, they'd accuse you of violating basic logic.
by OkayPhysicist | 2025-11-03 19:54:00+00:00
As the expression goes "The ends sanctify the means". We generally, collectively agree that the results of the Civil War (and more universally, the Revolution) were good things, and thus the actions that advanced those ends are sacred.

Contemporary events can't be judged that way: Consequentialists (typically on the left) end up judging actions by perceived probability of success weighted outcomes, which, naturally, discount modern events since the only things with certain outcomes are those in the distant past. Deontological thinkers (more typical on the right) have to condemn contempory actions as "wrong" until they can be incorporated into a larger narrative that justifies them, which again takes time.
by mikewarot | 2025-11-03 19:54:17+00:00
I got yeeted out of the work force by Long Covid back in 2020. Thanks to this change, I'm feeling quite fortunate that my "early" Security starts in December (otherwise who knows what would happen, medical bankruptcies are going to go astronomical next year). This might allow us to continue health insurance if all of it (plus some) goes into premiums.

I've been avoiding looking at the new options, for my own mental health.
by EvanAnderson | 2025-11-03 19:54:45+00:00
I once lost consciousness after a bad bike wreck that left me bleeding significantly from both knees. I lost consciousness while sitting on a bench waiting for my wife to arrive after walking my bike back to the trail head.

I remember having a very vivid and pleasant dream (riding in a car with some friends and laughing) while I was "out". I came-to when a bystander started beckoning to me ("Sir! Sir!"). Their calls bled into my dream first, then I awoke and realized I was laying face-down in the grass by the bench.

The pain was gone in the dream, but, of course, came back when I awoke. I sort of wished I could just pass out again.

Interestingly that dream has stuck with me in a way that typical sleeping dreams don't.
by sgarland | 2025-11-03 19:54:46+00:00
> sure, but the knob existing doesn't solve the operational challenge of safely allocating GBs of RAM on prod for hours-long index builds.

How does it not? You should know the amount of freeable memory your DB has, and a rough idea of peak requirements. Give the index build some amount below that.

> this is still not free not free—takes longer, needs 2-3x disk space, and still impacts performance.

Yes, those are the trade-offs for not locking the table during the entire build. They’re generally considered acceptable.

> it's "most teams underestimate the operational complexity.

Agreed, which is why I don’t think dev teams should be running DBs if they lack expertise. Managed solutions (for Postgres; no idea on Pinecone et al.) only remove backup and failover complexity; tuning various parameters and understanding the optimizer’s decisions are still wholly on the human. RDBMS are some of the most complicated pieces of software that exist, and it’s absurd that the hyperscalers pretend that they aren’t.
by jdlshore | 2025-11-03 19:54:47+00:00
Big companies are made out of people, and those people are just as fallible as everyone else… and more so, in fact. They’re prone to group-think and suppressing bad news.

The existence proof is, well, every financial crisis ever. Start with the housing bubble and ask, why did huge banks whose entire job was financial modeling get caught up in it? What makes companies today immune to those same types of decision-making errors?
by RajT88 | 2025-11-03 19:56:30+00:00
> And most electric motorcycles lie and market themselves as e-bikes.

Because they have pedals which nobody uses. In theory, it's pedal assist, but kids aren't really pedaling eBikes, they are using them like electric motorcycles.

You might think: Hey, how can you tell the difference between somebody using an eBike with pedal assist if so many of them look just like regular bikes?

I don't really see young people pedaling bikes at all of any kind. It's adults who don't have cars, or adults who are exercising pedaling bikes.
by eudoxus | 2025-11-03 19:56:32+00:00
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by IAmBroom | 2025-11-03 19:56:38+00:00
> More importantly, everything really was mostly "good, peaceful and stable ... until the colonizers" showed up. The disrupting factor were the pandemics that happened; not that one culture was superior than the other.

The peaceful, noble savage myth.

Native Americans engaged in wars, enslavement, and horrific torture - as did the Europeans.

The League of Five Nations was noted for a stable (and therefore largely peaceful) inter-tribe arrangement, but it was a new and exceptional development, just prior to the coincidental arrival of Europeans.
by BeetleB | 2025-11-03 19:56:54+00:00
> Disagree and push back

The other day an LLM gave me a script that had undeclared identifiers (it hallucinated a constant from an import).

When I informed it, it said "You must have copy/pasted incorrectly."

When I pushed back, it said "Now you trust me: The script is perfectly correct. You should look into whether there is a problem with the installation/config on your computer."
by dragonwriter | 2025-11-03 19:56:55+00:00
> Humans don't require input to, say, decide to go for a walk.

Impossible to falsify since humans are continuously receiving inputs from both external and internal sensors.

> What's missing in the LLM is volition.

What's missing is embodiment, or, at least, a continuous loop feeding a wide variety of inputs about the state of world. Given that, and info about of set of tools by which it can act in the world, I have no doubt that current LLMs would exhibit some kind (possibly not desirable or coherent, from a human POV, at least without a whole lot of prompt engineering) of volitional-seeming action.
by mrob | 2025-11-03 19:57:04+00:00
I don't believe LLMs can be conscious during inference because LLM inference is just repeated evaluation of a deterministic [0] pure function. It takes a list of tokens and outputs a set of token probabilities. Any randomness is part of the sampler that selects a token based on the generated probabilities, not the LLM itself.

There is no internal state that persists between tokens [1], so there can be no continuity of consciousness. If it's "alive" in some way it's effectively killed after each token and replaced by a new lifeform. I don't see how consciousness can exist without possibility of change over time. The input tokens (context) can't be enough to give it consciousness because it has no way of knowing if they were generated by itself or by a third party. The sampler mechanism guarantees this: it's always possible that an unlikely token could have been selected by the sampler, so to detect "thought tampering" it would have to simulate itself evaluating all possible partial contexts. Even this takes unreasonable amounts of compute, but it's actually worse because the introspection process would also affect the probabilities generated, so it would have to simulate itself simulating itself, and so on recursively without bound.

It's conceivable that LLMs are conscious during training, but in that case the final weights are effectively its dead body, and inference is like Luigi Galvani poking the frog's legs with electrodes and watching them twitch.

[0] Assuming no race conditions in parallel implementations. llama.cpp is deterministic.

[1] Excluding caching, which is only a speed optimization and doesn't affect results.
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by pants2 | 2025-11-03 19:57:05+00:00
> the province’s Chief Medical Officer of Health Kieran Moore reported that cases were being disproportionately seen in Mennonite, Amish, and other Anabaptist communities.

These communities are more than "anti-vaxx." Likely the vaccination rate in most of Canada is sufficient to make R0 < 1, but in these communities that eschew modern anything and have a near-zero vaccination rate, it's now endemic.
by angelgonzales | 2025-11-03 19:58:54+00:00
I don’t think curation is the answer, if Wikipedia was based off rules and if fundamental articles were dependencies to more complex downstream articles I think people would have more respect the site. Curation invites unintentional omission of information which people may suspect is intentional. If a Wikipedia model first defined rules for a genocide article and then screened events that were suspected to be genocides against the genocide article then a more uniform interpretation of genocide across the entire site would be possible. I think the goal for Wikipedia is to avoid inconsistency, to cover every viewpoint in a topic with rationale and to do so truthfully with associated references.
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by gf000 | 2025-11-03 19:59:15+00:00
What people are interested in is finding a definition for intelligence, that is an exact boundary.

That's why we first considered tool use, being able to plan ahead as intelligence, until we have found that these are not all that rare in the animal kingdom in some shape. Then with the advent of IT what we imagined as impossible turned out to be feasible to solve, while what we though of as easy (e.g. robot movements - a "dumb animal" can move trivially it surely is not hard) turned out to require many decades until we could somewhat imitate.

So the goal post moving of what AI is is.. not moving the goal post. It's not hard to state trivial higher bounds that differentiates human intelligence from anything known to us, like invention of the atomic bomb. LLMs are nowhere near that kind of invention and reasoning capabilities.
by hshdhdhj4444 | 2025-11-03 19:59:23+00:00
Either the soldiers weren’t doing anything wrong and the video didn’t need to be secret or they were then why are you more worried about the exposure of the wrongdoing than the wrongdoing?

Imagine thinking it’s narcissistic to put your career and life at risk to protect your fellow military prosecutors. You need an education on what narcissism is.
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by ozb | 2025-11-03 19:59:57+00:00
Note that in general, a physical instantiation of an undecidable problem must be specified/realized to _infinite_ precision; that is, for any such system S, and for any eps>0, there is a perturbation p with distance d<eps (eg, move a billiard ball an arbitrarily small amount) that is provable; this is analogous to the fact that existence of solutions to Diophantine equations is undecidable, but the theory of real closed fields is decidable, which means that the only undecidable case is when an equation has solutions _arbitrarily close_ to integers, but never quite an integer. I am not a physicist, but I don't believe any physics actually cares about infinitely-precise setups.
by robocat | 2025-11-03 20:00:39+00:00
Thanks. I'm no fan of the article, and likely for the reason you mention: trying to write down how to perform social interactions is extremely weird (although I don't think it is "sociopathic"). I do admire people that are good at explaining their internal social thinking!

It was interesting to read in part because different people do things so differently: I'm sure we could find successful party creators that have "rules" that are completely incompatible! An example, the writer clearly very carefully curates their invite list; however an opposite technique can be to have zero curation (which can definitely be great). The network of social ties leads to certain outcomes without forcing.

> For me it just "is", and that's a good part of why it works.

Naturalness is great for those that are smart. The implied rule is to "be natural": that rule makes sense to write yet it is simultaneously nonsense.

Overthinking anything is silly. But sometimes it can lead to insight. I think that "Let your irrational mind run the show" is also a good rule for life yet somewhere we need to fit in rationality even though that is a contradiction.

I think their #1 rule is strangely unobvious to some people. I'm a social idiot yet I can think of more than one case where I have tried to encourage a hostess to let go of their hostessing anxiety (when I've felt I could do so tactfully and hurtlessly). It isn't a sexist thing, it is just a personal observation that it is a common issue (I would try and help a guy out too if I saw the problem and I thought I could help rather than harm).

It seems maybe I've pondered the above, yet writing it down is just freaky weird. Perhaps writing is the issue!? Talking of course has its own failures.

Ideally we intuitively soak up good ways to do things. If we are fortunate then our friends help us to learn when we've been misled by our intuitions.

Going too meta is another fail!
by righthand | 2025-11-03 20:01:15+00:00
> I currently pay 200 USD a month for AI

> and I get AT LEAST 5x the return on value on that

You make $800 by paying OpenAI $200? Can you please explain how your the value put in is 5x and how I can start making $800 more a month?

> holy smokes does it multiply my positive traits as a developer

But it’s not you doing the work. And by your own admission, anyone can eventually figure it out. So if anything you’ve lost traits and handed them to the Llm. As an employee you’re less entrenched and more replaceable.