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Materials obtained by the House Oversight Committee in Nov 2025

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From: Joscha Bach Sent: 7/23/2016 7:02:30 AM

To: Jeffrey Epstein [jeeyacation@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Mechanisms for learning

Importance: High

Some thoughts I meant to send back for a long time:

[apperently quoting from Epstein]

> no worry, if i understand correctly you are suggsting there are layers 1 through N. lets cal them L > 1 - Ln. there are times T 1- Tn / and then conjecture that changing the time. correlations (by genetic > swtch or other method., you might be able to make blacks smarter by changing the time for motor layer > development and changing the time for other layers. . ). like telemeres for the cell, are their > equivalents for the layers. . as you talked about culling the unused neurons in each layer, each neuron in each > layer would get dfferent (kill yourself if you are not being used instructions).

Exactly. I looked up the statistics, black kids in the US have slower cognitive development (and never catch up), which the study of course attributed to social factors without any evidence, and they had faster motor development! I suspect this means their brains are slower at learning high-level concepts, because the low-level structures are optimized for a shorter time. But they will keep the lead in motor development, because it is easier to learn, and they have more time and attention to practice once they get the structures in place. It could also be that they have an additional set of learning directives in place that adapts them better to a more hunting/running style of life, whereas the Europeans had to adapt for identifying long-term seasonal patterns, delayed gratification for agriculture etc.

[judging from the botched orthography, this is Epstein again:]

> and CONCEPTS could be layer to layer communicaiton.. are gender differences also a matter of > time, and structure of interactions..

I suspect gender differences are mostly motivational, i.e. we have a reward system for all the different social and cognitive needs, which makes us receive different kinds of pleasure and pain, thereby pay attention and learn. You cannot learn what does not attract your attention. Women tend to find abstract systems, conflicts and mechanisms intrinsically boring. Most women in computer science do not write programs because they enjoy solving puzzles, but because they want to help people, get approval etc. There are almost no women in math, because it does not help people or yield social attention.

Men tend to find elaborate social relations boring. If there is no pleasure in observing and empathizing with people, one will not have good social cognition.

IQ is not the only meaningful difference. Chinese pay an inordinate amount of attention to authority. I suspect historically., the authorities tended to kill them a lot if they did not. Jews tend be intellectually independent and anti-authoritarian, which might make them creative and inventive in ways that are hard to find in Asia.

At the moment, I think speed/quality of brain development plus motivational system are the key to understanding both mind and individual differences. Important part of human language might be the result in a motivational need to discover/invent grammatical structure, which as a side effect makes us interested in music.

It would mean that Chomsky's life long hypothesis, that people have a special circuit for grammatical language, is wrong. They might be GENERAL learners, just like Gorillas, but with a strong motivational urge to build grammatical structure, which the brain simply invents (there are only a few ways in which a natural language can work). That is much easier to wire into a brain than a specific circuit.

[judging from the botched orthography, this is Epstein again:]

> my self believe that african music, westrn music, chinese music are a window into the the > structure of those layers.. western rigid, african primitve, chinese nature based, . I belive that synphoic movments > best describe your layering, they open with a basic simple melody,, after it is learned, it is repeated > and"developed", inverted, distorted, related, etc. the development stage take a long time. then there > is a recapitlaltion of the whole. and its inter and intra actions. . african musci has lots of beats. and > little development. - no accident, it mirrors their learning process.

Interesting question if music is somehow indicative of genetically defined prefs, but I am not sure. It could be path effects, starting in culture.

[judging from the botched orthography, this is Epstein again:]

> re taboo > > maybe climate change is a good way of dealing with overpopulation.. the earths forest fire. > potentailly a good thing for the species

Making having children expensive in terms of upbringing and missed opportunity (like in the west) is a more humane way. Environmental stress while leaving near rock bottom tends to lead people to have more children, because there is no missed opportunity, and high mortality requires more attempts at procreation. Humans are a hardy species, outside of focused famine events and wars only small fractions of any given population die.

I suspect that strong reductions in population will come from large-scale failure of agriculture. The climate change itself with result in migration and wars, but most people will probably survive that. But who knows, might be wrong.

[judging from the botched orthography, this is Epstein again:]

> too many people, so many mass executions of the elderly and infirm make sense > > is the fundamental fact that everyone dies at some time .make it imporrisbole to ask so why not > earilier. if the brain discards unused neurons, why shold socieity keep their equivalent

The radical idea of treating individuals in a society as cells and the society itself as a well- organized organism is fascism, or course. Probably the most efficient and rationally stringent way of someone could governance, if pull it off in a sustainable way; and if it is aggressive and expansive, its efficiency makes it a virus that everybody will want to stomp out. Fascism makes romantic doo-gooders like me very uncomfortable (I visited KZ Buchenwald five times and it had a profound influence on me; we East Germans inoculated ourselves very thoroughly against fascism), and the general public will not be willing to consider it.

I rather like the treatment Fascism gets in the Amazon Series "The Man in the High Castle", which explores what would have happened if the Germans and Japanese had won the war: A society that tries to function as a brutal and ruthlessly efficient machine, eliminating all social and evolutionary slack. It is very dark, but not a flat caricature of pointless evil for its own sake. Heinlein's late book "Starship Troopers" explores fascism, too, but unlike Philipp K Dick he does not see it as a form of insanity, but as the most desirable order. I find your "political incorrectness" very fascinating. In the beginning, I thought it is a form of costly signaling, but now I think you are simply entirely unconstrained in your thoughts. How did you manage in your youth?

Did you get in trouble, or did you keep your thoughts to yourself? I wonder what kind of person you want to transform into.

It was interesting to notice that at the Forbidden Research conference, nobody managed to say anything remotely out-of line. One large discussion group wanted to address the question of whether "democracy still works", and mostly expressed their disagreement with Trump. Ideology is like halitosis: easy to see in others, hard in oneself A speaker felt that the media "stifle all criticism of Trump", another wanted to remove "men and Elon Musk from government", and everybody strongly agreed that we need more diversity everywhere.

I noticed some time ago that Joi has remarkable public communication skills. He picks controversial, insight-laden topics, but sanitizes them by carefully replacing the parts of content that would divide his audience with symbolic messages that everybody can fill with their own content in a way that resonates with them. The non-controversial parts will still be insightful. He manages to come across as very subversive, while rarely offending anyone (except the hard scientists, that miss hard substance).

He also asks influential people and smart students or faculty to write parts of his essays and speeches for him. This invests them in his success, especially because he is going to reward and acknowledge them. Very few of his ideas are original, instead he is good at identifying and testing thoughts he reads or hears from others.

I am still beset by the ruinous instinct that the goal of communication ought to be mutual understanding. Joi is right. Public communication is about reaching one's goals.

Bests,

Joscha