by jameshilliard | 2025-10-03 18:00:44+00:00
> The WCK that you cited is very clear on this: the problem is getting aid into Gaza, not distributing it.

I'm referring to the current situation, I'm not disputing that there have been times where aid was not allowed in, however at those times there was generally sufficient stockpiles available.

> Again, the org you yourself cited has many examples.

Examples of food insecurity, sure, but not to the level of famine.

> The WCK said plain as day that it was.

How would the WCK alone be able to make that sort of determination? Only those with direct access to the targeting decision making process would be able to with any reasonable degree of certainty be able to determine if the WCK incident was a genuine mistake vs an intentional attack. The details the IDF provided regarding how the mistake was made certainly indicate it being a mistake is plausible IMO.

> When you systematically make such "targeting mistakes" over and over again, at some point the deliberate targeting becomes obvious.

So when the IDF systematically has friendly fire issues where their own soldiers get killed does that mean they are deliberately targeting their own soldiers by that logic?

> Decrying the ills of imperialism and capitalism and patriarchy is not antisemitic. Sure, the nazis used these crisicisms to refer to Jewish people. But the Indians also used them to refer to their British colonizers, the Romanians used them to refer to the Ottomans and the Austro-Hungarians, the Afghani and the Nicaraguans used them to refer to the USA etc. Stating that imperialism and capitalism and colonialism are the cause of much suffering in this world is not antisemitic, unless you associate it with other antisemitic imagery.

You seem to agree that these are in fact historically documented antisemitic tropes(i.e. used by the Nazis), you appear to be saying their use is justified...that's a rather different argument.

> Pointing out that Israel is an imperialist country that is trying to conquer (pieces of) its neighbors and opressing the Palestinian people, sometimes for patriarchal/religious reasons, sometimes for capitalist interests, is not antisemitic.

One can easily make an argument that Israel's formation was anti-imperialist because its independence was an act of breaking away from an imperialist power(the British). I would agree that is a bit of an oversimplification. This particular conflict has a number of elements to it that are somewhat unique which make these sort of broad categorizations somewhat misleading.

> This war started when the state of Israel was formed and kicked out much of the local Palestinian population (mostly Muslims, but also some Christians and even Jewish Palestinians).

That's not exactly accurate IMO, the Arab-Israeli War started when the British Mandate ended and the Arab states attacked[0].

> Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem have been under Israeli occupation for some 70+ years.

This is simply factually inaccurate, Gaza has not been occupied by Israel for 70+ years, you seem to forget that it was occupied by Egypt[1] until 1967. The West Bank was annexed/occupied by Jordan until 1967 as well[2]. So in reality this occupation by Israel of Gaza and the West Bank has only been happening for around 58 years. Most Palestinians say the occupation has occurred for 70+ years because they consider all of Israel proper to be an occupation(as they largely reject Israel's right to exist outright).

> October 7th was just one atrocity, from a long series of atrocities, on both sides, that have punctuated this war.

This is certainly a conflict where one can easily blame either side depending on at what point in time you start.

> But the aggressor in a war doesn't change just because of one attack by the defender, even when that attack is a war crime. If Ukraine launches a terrorist bombing in Moscow tomorrow killing 700 civillians, that war crime will not change the fact that Russia is the aggressor in that war.

There's no clear original aggressor here as it largely depends on how far you look back in history, there's been so much back and forth fighting that's it's hard to pin the blame on either side for starting the conflict due to the lack of clearly defined national boarders being recognized by both sides as was the case with Ukraine and Russia.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Gaza_Strip_b...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_We...