MurphyA/hacker-news huggingface dataset:
by uep | 2025-10-11 22:54:38+00:00
Do we even think that was real? I think social media has been astroturfed for a long time now. If enough people make those claims, it starts to feel true even without evidence to support it.

Did they ever open source anything that really make you think "wow"? The best I could see was them "embracing" Linux, but embrace, extend, extinguish was always a core part of their strategy.
by mallowdram | 2025-10-11 22:54:41+00:00
I suspect so. The case was made in 102 minutes, a NY Times book detailing how 18 people on or above the South Tower's impact zone managed to escape in one of the partially collapsed staircases. Were the stairs built to firecode specs in place in 1966, and not in the flimsy manner expedited by Rockefeller, these stairs would have easily survived intact long enough for many more than 18 to survive.
by rovr138 | 2025-10-11 22:54:42+00:00
> For v1, we moved a handful of convenience plugins into Datastar Pro.

and

> Nothing you can build was taken from you; we set a support boundary

If it was available on core, it was supported by them. If they moved it to Pro, isn't still supported by them?

Not sure what the 'support boundary' is. If they didn't want to provide official support for it, wasn't 'core' the better solution for them anyway? Wouldn't pay require them to officially support it?

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The ability to build is separate from the convenience of prebuilt. It is paywalling things. This is like saying, 'you can send electrical pulses to your computer, no need for an OS or tooling'.

If everything is achievable through the same api, then the plugins wouldn't do anything. If they simplify things, then do they do add something, convenience. This is what plugins do, which they say aren't needed? But if they're not needed, what's Pro for?

Yes, it's a 501c3... it's still commercial since they're selling...

If it's stable, no v2, plugins aren't needed, it's a 501c3, there's no shares, equity... what's the point of Pro? "The goal is to fund the work and draw a clear support boundary," What are they funding?

By adding a Pro subscription, what's the incentive to work on core?

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As an outsider it just looks as a way to justify Pro. But it's not a technical explanation or explains the maintenance policy.
by bsimpson | 2025-10-11 22:54:49+00:00
One of my friend's parents had a neurological disorder in his later years and was considering suicide. I don't know the details, but I know he had mentioned it to my friend. I believe he was convinced to try one more procedure that the logistics never lined up for. He ended up dying anyway a short number of years later.

He kept to himself, so I didn't know him well. I did know that he was an independent and thoughtful man who hated that his tremor got so bad he couldn't feed himself. I remember talking with his family about if those self-balancing Google spoons might help.

There are two kinds of people for whom suicide sounds appealing: those in poor health who don't want to experience it getting poorer, and those for whom the difficulty of being alive outweighs the joy of it. If you're in the former camp, that pain is coming for them anyway. If you're in the latter camp and still make the decision, maybe you don't have those close bonds that make you want to persevere.
by UncleOxidant | 2025-10-11 22:54:57+00:00
> it just happened to be Obama's priority, not the voters'.

I think it depends on the voters. A lot of people at that time were not able to afford health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. Or they'd have a plan that would get cancelled when they ran into an actual serious illness because the insurer would find some pre-existing condition that was ubiquitous. I was very glad that the ACA passed. Could it be better? Sure, but given the political realities it is what it is.

> even younger gen-z voters who're losing out on opportunities because of extreme liberal ideals

What opportunities are gen-z voters losing out to because of liberal ideals? If anything, the Democrats were much better on helping people pay for college, job training, etc.

> they started operating as if America is now a liberal utopia

But as you've indicated above, Obama wasn't even all that liberal. More of a centrist which seems to be what you're critical of if I'm not mistaken? Biden was probably more of a classical liberal.
by jcranmer | 2025-10-11 22:55:15+00:00
> 2. ChatGPT has 800M weekly active users. If 10% of these users are on the paid plan, this is $19.2B/year. Adjust this value depending on what percentage of users you believe pay for ChatGPT. Sam has announced that they're processing 6B API tokens per minute, which, again depending on the model, puts their annualized API revenue between $1B-$31B.

OpenAI announced a few months ago that it had finally cracked $1B in monthly revenue (intriguingly, it did so twice, which makes me wonder how much fibbing there is in these statements).

I'll also say this: the fact that AI companies prefer to tout their usage numbers rather than their revenue numbers is a sign that their revenue numbers isn't stellar (especially given that several of the Big Tech companies have stopped reporting AI revenue as separate call-outs).
Show HN: Minichessgames.com
by patrickdavey | 2025-10-11 22:56:02+00:00
I made this simple website for my daughter to help her get the hang of just learning the _movement_ of chess pieces without the distraction of an opponent or any other rules.

The site just presents a chess board covered in "rocks" (obstacles) and a goal square you need to get to. It tells you the minimum number of moves it can be done in, and will show you a best solution if you don't get there in it. You can use the settings to change difficulty etc.

A friend then pointed me to https://lichess.org/learn which is also really nice ;) But, it was fun putting it together. Anyway, maybe some of you with young-ones will find it a fun diversion for them :)

Vue and CM-Chessboard[1] for the board rendering, very nice library that one.

[1]. https://github.com/shaack/cm-chessboard
by leoh | 2025-10-11 22:56:57+00:00
I think it’s not fair that we expect every developer tool to be OSS. Most things that are fully OSS like react, typescript, etc. and even Linux to a large degree are supported by humongous amounts of cash from large tech companies. When a smaller firm devoted to developer tools like datastar decides to monetize, moreover, they are doing so without leaning on ad monetization, which many big firms rely upon, or other means that are not particularly nice. I think it’s really important we cut folks working on paid dev tools a break. The alternative is that we end up in a world that is largely merely defined by huge tech companies.
by jongjong | 2025-10-11 22:57:00+00:00
True, it is a more natural progression to parallelize on the backend as isolating different requests has multiple benefits besides scalability; e.g. security and maintainability. Also, we have more control over the backend environment so it's easier to add external components (e.g data store like Redis) if needed to help keep track of state; there's no need to store everything in process memory... Not to mention that most backends need/use a database already and so it can be used to keep state with relative ease and efficiency without even adding any new service/component.
by gazpachoking | 2025-10-11 22:57:02+00:00
Everything on the site is part of the core library which is free and open source, except for the stuff clearly marked as part of pro, which has a link to the pricing. (Plus, you really don't need pro, all the good stuff is free.)

I think it would be more misleading to put pro on the front page, because that would make people think it's a subpar experience without it.
by versteegen | 2025-10-11 22:57:15+00:00
In particular for converting scanned documents to black and white. Though you can get nicer results with grayscale.

This library might have saved me a lot of time recently, as I don't have a working scanner and was forced to photograph and clean up a lot of pages of documents. I used gimp, which required a lot of experimentation. It's only got a couple adaptive tools that can do the job with uneven lighting, but they sometimes require some pre or post processing for good results.
by ThomasCloarec | 2025-10-11 22:57:34+00:00
This is a crucial question that often gets overlooked in the AI hype cycle. The article makes a great point about the disconnect between infrastructure investment and actual revenue generation.

A few thoughts:

1. The comparison to previous tech bubbles is apt - we're seeing massive capex without clear paths to profitability for many use cases.

2. The "build it and they will come" mentality might work for foundational models, but the application layer needs more concrete business cases.

3. Enterprise adoption is happening, but at a much slower pace than the investment would suggest. Most companies are still in pilot phases.

4. The real value might come from productivity gains rather than direct revenue - harder to measure but potentially more impactful long-term.

What's your take on which AI applications will actually generate enough value to justify the current spending levels?
by thaumasiotes | 2025-10-11 22:59:45+00:00
> This is why staying out of hazardous conditions is a dynamic control problem

I don't think this philosophy can work.

If you can't control whether the environment will push you from a hazardous state into a failure state, you also can't control whether the environment will push you from a nonhazardous state into a hazardous state.

If staying out of hazardous conditions is a dynamic control problem requiring on-the-fly adjustment from local actors, exactly the same thing is true of staying out of failure states.

The point of defining hazardous states is that they are a buffer between you and failure. Sometimes you actually need the buffer. If you didn't, the hazardous state wouldn't be hazardous.

But the only possible outcome of treating entering a hazardous state as equivalent to entering a failure state is that you start panicking whenever an airplane touches down with less than a hundred thousand gallons of fuel.
by crote | 2025-10-11 23:00:29+00:00
I think a lot of that is colored by the fact that you were doing a long-distance trip. I would completely agree with your points if I were, say, living in Frankfurt and planning a holiday in Paris.

But the math is a lot different for regular day-to-day trips, and for that I do think the timetable is the primary product. My goal is to get from A to B, and do so 1) reliably, 2) quickly, and 3) affordably. I don't really care if this means taking the car, the bus, the underground, the train, my bicycle, or a ferry - I'll use whatever option is most convenient.

If I'm only in/on there for 30 minutes, I could not care less for a scenic view. It matters far more whether there is a frequent service I can rely on, which doesn't involve half a dozen needless busy-work with transfers and endless waiting and anxiety for each connecting service. The more it acts like a taxi, the happier I am.
by ivan_gammel | 2025-10-11 23:00:52+00:00
Modules are weird. In Java world there exists consensus on dependency management via Maven-style repositories (Maven Central is the primary distribution channel) and all tools support it. You handle your dependency tree outside of your code and just import packages from libraries available on classpath. It’s possible to continue doing that that without using modules, so the case for using them is still unclear to many people. Where the actual hate may have come from is an old story with migration from Java 8 to Java 9, where modules hidden the access to certain internal APIs, breaking some libraries which relied on them, making that migration painful. Today their value is probably 0/10, but there’s no reason to hate.
by MontyCarloHall | 2025-10-11 23:01:07+00:00
Right, the vast majority of compute for autonomous warfare will be at the edge. The latency/jammability of having to communicate with a massive datacenter halfway around the world running bleeding-edge models is a nonstarter. Not to mention that these models are overkill for something like an autonomous suicide drone that just needs a relatively simple CNN trained to recognize enemy uniforms/materiel/buildings/etc.
by sgarland | 2025-10-11 23:01:07+00:00
If/when they launch a bigger unit than 8-bay, with ZFS, I’ll probably buy it. I’m already in the ecosystem and love it, and while my homegrown Debian-based NAS is rock-solid, I’d totally switch if they had a 3U or 4U high-capacity offering.

I’ve tried TrueNAS many times, and I just don’t like the UI/UX. It tries to ride the line between a walled garden, à la Apple, and “do what you want.” That doesn’t work, IMO. I really don’t like how it tries to do everything - I don’t want hyper-convergence, I want you to do one thing, and do it really, really well.
by kcplate | 2025-10-11 23:01:37+00:00
I am trying to understand your comment in context with the thread. Are you saying that if people continue to hold cultural or religious beliefs via faith in this day and age that they are mentally ill? You don’t outright say this, but in context that’s the message I took from it.

Perhaps you just used it as a springboard to point out contradiction of certain beliefs with modern knowledge or perhaps it’s a bias against religion that you hold. If so, noted.
by the_bear | 2025-10-11 23:02:29+00:00
This is the main thing that's been bugging me about the AI discussion. People seem to forget that capitalism is competitive, and if everyone gains the same advantage, then it's not an advantage. If the cost of labor goes down, it means companies will either need to lower their prices or increase their investment in other areas (e.g. hiring even more people now that they're cheaper).

Unless you're a monopoly, I don't see how AI will lead to these massive cost savings everyone is hoping for.
by 827a | 2025-10-11 23:02:29+00:00
> OpenAI announced a few months ago that it had finally cracked $1B in monthly revenue (intriguingly, it did so twice, which makes me wonder how much fibbing there is in these statements).

I believe this is incorrect; as far as I've heard, an anonymous source leaked that OpenAI had hit $12B in annualized revenue a few months ago [1]. I do not personally put any weight in leaks, and prefer to operate on data that has been officially announced.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/openai-hits-12-billion-annu...
by t_mann | 2025-10-11 23:02:37+00:00
I don't get why ads are never mentioned in the article. The current use cases of GenAI (chatbots, generate [art] for me,...) have extremely obvious monetization angles through ads, and then there's a positive chance that they can bring in revenue through more ways than that (they already do in the form of subscriptions, eg). It might be that the economics still don't work out, but at least it should be considered?
by dkarl | 2025-10-11 23:02:43+00:00
You're absolutely right about checked exceptions. However, I think they're an exception (forgive me) from the pattern of Java mostly sticking to the strategy of, we can build a practical, industrial, reasonably performant language that has all these nice bits from other languages: garbage collection, portable bytecode, no pointer arithmetic, collections in the standard library, etc.

I think streams are a great example of what I was saying about Java failing to take advantage of coming last. Scala (probably among others, but Scala was right there on the JVM) had already demonstrated that it was possible to enable simple, readable code for simple use cases, while also enabling complex and powerful usage. And the experience of Scala had shown that there's little demand for parallel collections outside of extremely niche use cases where people tend to use specialized solutions anyway. Somehow Java, with this example staring them in the face, managed to get the worst of both worlds.
by estearum | 2025-10-11 23:02:44+00:00
We use names for things to categorize them. We categorize things to inform how to treat them.

I think we should treat criminals differently from how we treat cockroaches, so we should use different names for them.

There's only one functional reason to refer to humans as cockroaches which is to dehumanize them. Dehumanizing humans is bad.
by sfifs | 2025-10-11 23:03:02+00:00
I think you're underestimating how quickly users can move to another platform if something better / cheaper shows up unless there are user network effects that benefit / keep people on a platform. We've lived through several of these - yahoo/lycos to Google. A bunch of terrible providers to GMail, various messengers to Apple/WhatsApp/line dominating countries etc. This space seems ripe for the second mover advantage effect
by Havoc | 2025-10-11 23:03:04+00:00
It's an interesting thought experiment, but not sure it's the entire story.

Imagine at the start of the electrification era people went "We'd need to build loads of cables and power plants and stuff that's expensive, lets just stick to steam power".

It's not a bet on this making sense via pedestrian business economics but rather that it'll be a game changer.

...whether that pans out is a technological and societal question, not an economic one in my mind
by tavavex | 2025-10-11 23:03:19+00:00
The demarcation is that my side celebrating someone's death is reasonable, level-headed criticism that reflects the will of the people and how dire the situation is - you've just gotta consider what we're saying and think that both sides have valid points. On the other hand, your side not showing Kim Jong Il funeral levels of grieving towards my figurehead is extremist violent rhetoric that has no place anywhere in our society, it has to be punished; the deranged, crazed, murder-hungry perpetrators must be suppressed and removed before they kill someone. The demarcation is that I'm stronger than you. Rules and logical consistency don't matter when you have power.

I only tried to be mildly cynical here, because I actually can't come up with any other justifications here. I don't think there's anything non-inflammatory that can justify this outside of ideological reasons. If anything can think of any, let me know.
by marcosdumay | 2025-10-11 23:03:59+00:00
On 1, the railroads had a better point at that than the AI companies. They did allow dispersed industry to integrate, did multiply their countries GDP by a sizeable amount, and went bankrupt anyway.

If those companies replace a low 2-digits percentages of the developers, and capture their entire salary, it's still not enough to reach the depreciation numbers on the article.

On 2, that could justify it... Except that we are talking about fucking LLMs. What do anybody expect LLMs to do in a war that will completely obliterate some country?
by LarsDu88 | 2025-10-11 23:04:30+00:00
Yeah, which is pretty slow due to the need to autoregressively generate each image frame token in sequence. And leading diffusion models need to progressively denoise each frame. These are very expensive computationally. Generating the entire world using current techniques is incredibly expensive compared to rendering and rasterizing triangles, which is almost completely parallelized by comparison.
by zeroq | 2025-10-11 23:04:41+00:00
Joshua Bloch's work on Collections for Java2 was absolutely formative for me.

I was just starting real programming, I knew naming was hard so I was using thesaurus almost as extensively - if not more - than the reference manual.

But his work defined designing API for me for life. Stuff we take for granted, and we often overlook as seemingly trivial.

Let's say you have a collection type that has a method ``put``. It takes two arguments - an object you want to insert, and an index you want to put it at. Which argument should go first? Could index be optional? What value should it default to? Does the function returns anything? A boolean to indicate whether insertion was successful? Or the index at which the object was put? If latter how you indicate an error?

All of these seems seemingly trivial but he and his team worked on that library for over a year and he throughly documented their work in series of presentations.

And we can't forget about his java puzzlers, absolute gem.
by Wowfunhappy | 2025-10-11 23:05:13+00:00
> We are not seeing that (currently) with GPUs. Perf/watt has basically completely stalled out recently while tokens per user has easily increased in many use cases has went up 100x+ (take Claude code usage vs normal chat usage). It's very very unlikely we will get breakthroughs in compute efficiency in the same way we did in the late 90s/2000s for fiber optic capacity.

At least for gaming, GPU performance per dollar has gotten a lot better in the last decade. It hasn't gotten much better in the past couple of years specifically, but I assume a lot of that is due to the increased demand for AI use driving up the price for consumers.

Why wouldn't Moore's Law continue?
by potatolicious | 2025-10-11 23:05:20+00:00
You can measure probabilistic systems that you can't examine! I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater here - before LLMs became the all-encompassing elephant in the room we did this routinely.

You absolutely can quantify the results of a chaotic black box, in the same way you can quantify the bias of a loaded die without examining its molecular structure.
by charles_f | 2025-10-11 23:05:39+00:00
Insider here, in m365 though not onedrive. It did change, but not because of satya ; because of rules and legislation and bad press. Privacy and security are taken very seriously (at least by people who care to follow internal rules) not because "we're nice", but because

- EU governments keep auditing us, so we gotta stay on our toes, do things by the book, and be auditable - it's bad press when we get caught doing garbage like that. And bad press is bad for business

In my org, doing anything with customer's data that isn't directly bringing them value is theoretically not possible. You can't deliver anything that isn't approved by privacy.

Don't forget that this is a very big company. It's composed of people who actually care and want to do the right thing, people who don't really care and just want to ship and would rather not be impeded by compliance processes, and people who are actually trying to bypass these processes because they'd sell your soul for a couple bucks if they could. For the little people like me, the official stance is that we should care about privacy very much.

Our respect for privacy was one of the main reasons I'm still there. There has been a good period of time where the actual sentiment was "we're the good guys", especially when comparing to google and Facebook. A solid portion of that was that our revenue was driven by subscriptions rather than ads. I guess the appeal to take customer's money and exploit their data is too big. The kind of shit that will get me to leave.
by gerdesj | 2025-10-11 23:05:43+00:00
Oh dear. I didn't even mention my crocosmia stash by name and I pissed someone off. They are jolly expensive to buy and I have a good 30' by 5' bed stuffed full of them. A crocosmia plant in a pot costs about £5-20. I've got loads of them. You shoudl see my acer (maple) collection. Mind blown.

Oh, AI.

It is artificial but it is not intelligent. A LLM (int al) is a marvelous thing. I find sheer joy in conversing with a "gpt-oss-20b F16" that runs on a £600 GPU and a slack handful of CPU and RAM because so little gives so much.
by soueuls | 2025-10-11 23:05:56+00:00
Yes many countries will decide to extradite for actions which are legal in said country.

I am French, and we recently convinced Scotland to extradite a French man who was denying the existence of the Holocaust and gaz chamber, which is something you could do in Scotland if you do it without violence.

So indeed it’s possible.

But I don’t think it’s the same as extraditing for a meme.