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by mothballed | 2025-09-19 16:26:02+00:00
It's been awhile since I read the case; I'm not sure that it contemplated that.

If I recall correctly it was either basically just a low hanging chain or low fence, but it's awhile since I read it.

Judges are normally loathe to consider much more than the narrowest reading required, so I would be shocked if they considered the possibility of touching the fence or a fence high enough to make a ladder impractical.
by rayiner | 2025-09-19 16:26:11+00:00
> But scientists are and science is the industry that is being harmed

But the law doesn’t afford scientists any right to sue on the basis that they think the administration’s policy is bad for science writ large. That’s a policy determination outside the power of the courts to second guess. (Read *Marbury v. Madison and specifically the parts talking about ministerial actions. Courts can only enjoin executive officials to take ministerial actions the law clearly requires, not second guess the executive’s discretionary decisions.)

The actual legal rights the scientists can exercise are similar to those of any government contractor. If you have a contract to run a hotdog stand on a military base, the government has certain limitations on what it can and can’t do.
by dinobones | 2025-09-19 16:26:32+00:00
Yeah I’ve noticed the sage/wizard archetype has been pushed out.

SWE culture was very different in a low interest rate environment. Teams were over staffed. No new tech came around for a long time so everyone was focused inward on how to improve the quality of the craft. At my big tech company some teams had 2-3 people dedicated to purely writing tests, maintainability, documentation, and this was for a <1m MAU product.

Then boom free money gone. Endless layoffs year over year. Companies pushing “AI” to try and get SWEs to deprecate themselves. It’s basically just trying to survive now.

That wizard that used to nag everyone about obscure C++ semantics or extremely rare race conditions at distributed scale has disappeared. There’s no time for any of that stuff.

Like all cultures, this was all performative. People astutely observed how to say and care about the things that they saw, the people above them, saying and caring about, and mimicked them to promotions. That doesn’t work anymore, so that wizard culture is long gone.
by gkoberger | 2025-09-19 16:27:24+00:00
I agree overall, but to push back: 20 years ago, we HAD to be more curious. If you wanted a way to store your code and there wasn't anything that worked for you out there, you had to go and invent Git over a long weekend. Now, there's so many great tools (thanks to thousands or millions of curious devs) that 0-to-1 improvements aren't nearly as possible to discover.

There's still people taking on new frontiers... even if you don't love crypto (and I don't!), a lot of very curious developers found a home there. AI is tougher (due to the upstart costs of building a model), but still discovery is happening there.

I don't think curious developers are gone... there's just an increase of un-curious developers looking for a paycheck. You just have to look harder now (although I think it only seems like we had a cohort of curious devs because we're looking at it in hindsight, where the outcomes are obvious).
by tsimionescu | 2025-09-19 16:27:37+00:00
The males of the other species birthed by the queen are genetic clones of the male that impreganted the queen, the DNA in the eggs is not a mix of the queen's DNA and the father's DNA, it's an exact copy (minus any mutations) of the father's DNA. So yes, it is exactly a clone, and not a regular new individual.
by franga2000 | 2025-09-19 16:27:48+00:00
I actually don't know who is misunderstanding who here. I work with containers daily and this is how I understand this situation:

The runner (trusted code) is tasked with taking job specifications from the user (untrusted code) and running them in isolated environments. Correct?

The runner is in a container with a mounted docker socket. It sends a /containers/create request to the socket. It passes a base image, some resource limits and maybe a directory mount for the checked out repository (untrusted code). The code could alternatively be copied instead of mounted. Correct?

The new container is created by dockerd without the socket mounted, because that wasn't specified by the runner ("Volumes": [] or maybe ["/whatever/user/repo/:/repo/"]). Correct?

The untrusted code is now executed inside that container. Because the container was created with no special mounts or privileges, it is as isolated as if it was created manually with docker run. Correct?

The job finishes executing, the runner uses the socket to collect the logs and artifacts, then it destroys the container. Correct?

So please tell me how you think untrusted code could get access to the socket here?
by fennecfoxy | 2025-09-19 16:28:13+00:00
Ah yes, this old way of thinking. Bro we live in a world where at least in web (and plenty of other domains) the velocity demanded from developers is exceedingly high; not necessarily because that's what those developers want, but because that's what management wants.

Most of my career Node.JS has paid the bills and I'm very grateful to fate for that; but I have also worked in C/asm/etc for embedded firmware etc. Implying that the JS ecosystem is only comprised of terrible devs is classic gatekeeping holier than thou type shit.
by arnon | 2025-09-19 16:28:20+00:00
And ARR assumes it's recurring too - it's a metric that (people incorrectly think) shows how good your business is at retaining revenue year-over-year.

If a big proportion of contracts in Y1 get terminated at the end of the 12m period (because, say, the customer forgot to renew) - then the ARR will drop like a rock in Y2.
by kolbe | 2025-09-19 16:28:23+00:00
I don't necessarily disagree with your logic, but that's not what the legal term is referring to. Too many people on HN think law is what they want it to be--not what it is. That term is generally reserved for things that are totally irreparable. Nothing you mentioned can't be made up for later.

It is 100% clear that, yes, there is harm being done. It's not at all clear that the harm is irreparable. They usually apply the term to things that are actually irreparable like the death penalty (can't resuscitate the dead person).
by ck2 | 2025-09-19 16:28:36+00:00
rare-earth minerals aren't "rare" in availibility

they are rare PER amount of earth

it's very labor intensive which makes it expensive to mine

which is why countries with oppressed labor can do it far cheaper than USA

ALSO it's extremely toxic with radioactive byproducts in the earth accumulated

which again why companies in USA didn't want to do it for little to no profit

But he's still going to invade Greenland, he's already got CIA mucking around there trying to get rid of opposition to forced annexation
by stirfish | 2025-09-19 16:28:43+00:00
Thanks for this link. I always assumed that things like $1280 coffee cups were like dad's "business trips", where we all know that's not really what's going on but we're all politely not talking about it.

Like a coffee cup might've been in the shipping manifest, but that wasn't all of it and we still needed to pay to ship it to [redacted]
by janalsncm | 2025-09-19 16:29:01+00:00
WEIRD isn’t insulting to be because it’s simply descriptive of you take the terms themselves.

However. No one gave them the right to speak for everyone, and in regular parlance “weird” isn’t a super nice thing to say about someone. They could’ve chosen something else like WESTED “Western, Educated, Stable, Technologically-advanced, Economically Developed” but didn’t. And they don’t get to choose how people will react when they’re called weird.
by davidw | 2025-09-19 16:29:08+00:00
This speaks to me, but I'm also reflective enough to wonder about whether I'm just observing from a different place in life than I was in the 1990ies when all this stuff started happening.

I was young and didn't have many responsibilities then, and lots of free time. Now I'm a dad with a mortgage and an interest in local politics because I want to 'leave it better than I found it'.

All that said... I do think there have been some shifts over time. I grew up in the era of open source taking off, and it was pretty great in a lot of ways. We changed the world! It felt like over time, software became mainstream, and well-intentioned ideas like PG's writing about startups also signaled a shift towards money. In theory, having F U money is great for a hacker in that they don't have to worry about doing corporate work, but can really dig into satisfying their curiosity. But the reality is that most of us never achieve that kind of wealth.

Now we find ourselves in a time with too much concentrated corporate power, and the possibility that that gets even worse if LLM's become an integral part of developer productivity, as there are only a handful of big ones.

Perhaps it's time for a new direction. At my age I'm not sure I'll be leading that charge, but I'll be cheering on those who are.
by fludlow | 2025-09-19 16:29:08+00:00
Ground rent is a bizarre UK property law concept. The resident will have paid for the leasehold of the property (typically a one off payment for 99 years occupancy which is transferable if they want to sell to someone else) but the company retains the freehold and can charge ground rent in return for absolutely nothing (this is different to a service charge which would fund things like communal space/facilities upkeep). This arrangement sort of makes a tiny bit of sense for apartments if you're being generous about it but there was a scandal in the UK that lots of regular houses were being sold leasehold not freehold with ground rent that started at a token level but ramped up significantly above inflation
by 1vuio0pswjnm7 | 2025-09-19 16:29:42+00:00
"So what if they are a VC-backed company?"

Why do they need to ask for money from the public if they are VC-backed?

Assuming that the Deno Land Inc. company would benefit from protection from Oracle's trademark

As a member of the public I see no "material gains" from "freeing Javascript from Oracle"

But I may be biased. I do not use Javascript and avoid others' use of it as best I can. I use a different object-oriented, garbage-collected scripting language with C-like syntax that is faster than JS, and faster than Lua (not LuaJIT)
by neom | 2025-09-19 16:29:43+00:00
Friend of mine just got laid off from 15 years at google, he's in his mid/late 40s. He's started to learn about embedded systems, hardware controllers, he's playing with haskell and erlang and doing work he's never done before, actually very far from webscale DB architecture, he's the most happy i've seen him in his life, he's following his curiosity and he's like a pig in mud.
by trentnix | 2025-09-19 16:29:58+00:00
I'm still here, curious as ever. And for the truly curious, it's just gotten better. The ocean we swim in has gotten bigger and deeper.

I lamented when my career first started (2000 or so) that there were devs I worked with who didn't even own computers at home. While my bookshelves were full of books I aspired to learn and my hard drive was full of half-baked projects, they clocked out and their thinking was done.

I still know a few of those now 25 years after the fact. Some of them have made a career out of software. But they never got curious. It was a means to an end. I don't begrudge them that. But as someone who is internally driven to learn and improve and produce, I can't relate.

My primary fustration today is how many of my software peers are satisfied with updating a Jira status and not seeking to build excellent software. I've seen it at all levels - engineers, managers, and executives. I'm actualized by shipping good, useful software. They seem to be actualized by appearing busy. They don't appear to deliver much value, but their calendars are full. It has me at my professional wits end.

Truth be told, the phenomenon of appearing productive without being productive is an epidemic across multiple industries. I've had conversations with people in manufacturing and agriculture and academia and they all echo something similar. Eventually, Stein's law indicates that the productivity charade will end. And I fear it will be ugly.
by MostlyStable | 2025-09-19 16:30:10+00:00
I'm honestly curious why they keep making them. As far as I can tell, NVIDIA can sell literally as many datacenter AI chips as they can produce, and that would probably continue to be true even if they significantly increased prices. And even without increasing prices, the datacenter products are considerably higher margin than the consumer GPUs. Every consumer GPU they sell is lost revenue in comparison to using that fab capacity for a datacenter product.

The only reason I can imagine for them leaving the money on the table is that they think that the AI boom won't last that much longer and they don't want to kill their reputation in the consumer market. But even in that case, I'm not sure it really makes that much sense.

Maybe if consumer GPUs were literally just datacenter silicon that didn't make the grade or something, it would make sense but I don't think that's the case.
by NemoNobody | 2025-09-19 16:30:20+00:00
I actually believe in copyright. Of you write a book and use Amazon to host - THEY own that book now, they will make all decisions about it's distributions and how much you will get for your cut (Only 30% is what Amazon pays put for digital book creators) - if I don't like that, they will bully me, or you, or the entire industry of authors - Amazon will always win, BC of those copyright laws actually.

So... yeah, copyright is largely bullshit - look at LLMs - Facebook downloaded ALL OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE EVER MADE - to build maybe the mot profitable thing ever.. yeah, totes fine for them and that industry to do all that "theft"

Haha - is that not a joke?

I'm assuming your a Zoomer and I'm sorry they got to all of you so much, but no need to feel any guilt from piracy, that isn't actual theft, theft takes away from - this does not do that, it just makes a copy.

Marketing made these morals of yours Bud - you wouldn't have them otherwise
by theamk | 2025-09-19 16:30:38+00:00
Or work as contractor / part-time.

I've had two experiences with people like that:

- At one place I've worked at (big corp), the QA department was full of contractors. One of the contractors was only working 9 months per year - they spent all summers in Australia. Everyone knew about that and accepted this. The contractor was great, and no one had problems with that (I am sure not having to pay them anything while they were away helped :) )

- At other place, a small startup, we had a team member who was in a band. He'd work for us for a few months, help us to finish a project and make sure customer is happy.. and then disappear for a few more months to tour the US. Again, he was a great programmer, and we always welcomed him back.

I am sure that not every place is like this (for example my current workplace is pretty bureaucratic and would not be happy with this arrangement), but things like this definitely exist.
by Bukhmanizer | 2025-09-19 16:31:04+00:00
I’ve been thinking a lot about how the software we write tends to reflect our beliefs about the world. For example one of the best developers I’ve worked with had this unshakable belief that software could solve a lot of the worlds little problems. He was constantly coming up with these little programs that would solve some nit that he had in his day to day life.

I think a lot of people have lost faith that technology can improve the things that they care about. Even open source doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference in preventing, well anything bad in the last few years.

If we want to have a better dev culture there has to be a reason for people to believe that the software they make is actually going to improve people’s lives and not just accelerate the profits of multi billion dollar corporations.
by lo_zamoyski | 2025-09-19 16:31:22+00:00
That depends. Retirement as passage into idleness? Sure. Many people who retire piss away the remainder of their lives because they don't know what to do with themselves. They get depressed, and they become lonely, because they become isolated. Children move away, spouses die, friends move away or die. Couple this with suburban planning where you can't do anything without a car (something the elderly are less likely to be able to operate) and where there is no town center, certainly not one congenial to the social life of the neighborhood or town. With the decline in church membership, you don't have that option anymore, one that also dealt with questions dealing with the end of life (if you view death as the absolute end, then your life was hopeless to begin with; retirement and old age simply strip distractions and illusions effectively).

But this is separate from the question of retirement as such, or the question of aging. Your grandfather, I presume, only refused to take medication and medical treatment, which falls under "extraordinary care", and this is morally licit. Had he refused food or offed himself intentionally (or with "assistance"), that would have been a different matter.
by leptons | 2025-09-19 16:31:22+00:00
The phishing-emails-as-a-test emails were so frequent that I started flagging all emails from our company that had a link in them as phishing emails and let the IT staff tell me which ones were real. They didn't enjoy that so they stopped sending the phishing emails as often. They still send them though, from time to time.

I ended up creating my own browser extension for gmail that blocks clicking on any link unless the domain is whitelisted. Now if I click any link and it's not in the whitelist, it shows a popup that displays the domain name, and I can then choose to whitelist it and then it opens the link, or just keep blocking it. I haven't had to re-take any phishing compliance tests in a long time.
by steveruizok | 2025-09-19 16:31:34+00:00
I'd like to do self-serve pricing like that, maybe we will in the future, but I don't think there are as many teams as you think where the difference would be a deciding factor.

When I was doing pricing discovery and asking early adopters what they would pay for tldraw, almost all the teams I talked to either said "nothing because we don't have any money yet" or a number between $5,000 and $10,000, with a handful of outliers. In the end, my solution was just to put a price on the thing and then find ways to provide for everyone else, including PRPF commercial teams. In 3.x our solution was a watermark, which caused other problems for us; but this discussion made it pretty clear to me that we need to have a better answer for these teams in 4.x.

That said, we've at least got the startup sales _process_ as close to self-serve as we can. Someone still needs to validate the size of the company and send a Stripe link, but 20% of startup licensees were delivered in under 24 hours and more than half are done in under a week.
by krapp | 2025-09-19 16:31:49+00:00
Carry what torch forward where? Vibe coders aren't going to learn more about the languages or techniques the LLM uses, or how to write that code themselves. They aren't going to exercise curiosity about anything beyond the LLMs API and prompts. They aren't going to pursue deep knowledge. By definition they only want to get a viable end product with the least amount of creative or cognitive effort on their part. That seems like the opposite of the "curious developer" archetype the article is talking about.
by JustExAWS | 2025-09-19 16:32:08+00:00
It always makes me groan when I see this sentiment like back in the olden times, people got into development for “passion”.

Sure I was a hobbyist in the 80s programming in assembly language on four separate architectures by the time I graduated college in 1996 in CS. But absolutely no one in my graduating class did it for the “passion” we all did it because we needed to exchange money for food and shelter.

The people jumping into tech during the first tech boom were definitely doing it for the money and the old heads I met back then programming on Dec Vax and Stratus VOS mainframes, clocked in, did their job and clocked out.
by bakugo | 2025-09-19 16:32:10+00:00
> I seem to remember some of DHH's controversy due to banning politics at basecamp or something. Is it related to that?

I wouldn't be surprised. The presence of this quote in the linked document:

> A person’s character is determined not only by their actions, but also the actions they stay silent while witnessing.

Suggests that the person who wrote it is deeply obsessed with political activism.
by chao- | 2025-09-19 16:32:29+00:00
From a corporate strategy perspective, cancel Arc or keep Arc, I can see it both ways.

Intel has so many other GPU-adjacent products and they will doubtless be continuing most of them, even if they don't pursue Arc further: Jaguar Shores, Flex GPUs for VDI, and of course their Xe integrated graphics. I could possibly see Intel not ship a successor to Flex? Maybe? I cannot see a world where they abandon Xe (first-party laptop graphics) or Jaguar Shores ("rack scale" datacenter "GPUs").

With all of that effort going into GPU-ish designs, is there enough overlap that the output/artifacts from those products support and benefit Arc? Or if Arc only continues to be a mid-tier success, is it thus a waste of fab allocation, a loss of potential profit, and an unnecessary expense in terms of engineers maintaining drivers, and so forth? That is the part I do not know, and why I could see it going either way.

I want to acknowledge that I am speaking out of my depth a bit: I have not read all of Intel's quarterly financials, and not followed every zig and zag of every product line. Yet while can see it both ways, in no world do I trust these supposed leaks.
by pphysch | 2025-09-19 16:32:34+00:00
> which is why countries with oppressed labor can do it far cheaper than USA

> which again why companies in USA didn't want to do it for little to no profit

Genuinely asking, do you really think American megacorps care about their laborers and the environment?

There are many reasons why America is falling behind economically, but their dominant corps being too moral and ethical is not one of them.
by imiric | 2025-09-19 16:32:51+00:00
> If one has to specify that software is apolitical, it isn't.

That conclusion doesn't track. In a time when a lot of software has become politically charged, it's perfectly reasonable to specify when that isn't the case.

> No software exists in a vacuum, even the license terms are a political statement.

Software doesn't exist in a vacuum, but not all licenses are the same. There are many licenses that don't place any restrictions on how the software is used. There are others whose authors relinquish all control or ownership. You may see these as political statements, but that would be corrupting their meaning. It's like claiming that atheism is a religion...

Whatever beliefs the authors have does not taint the software at all, unless the software itself is political or they make some political commentary. Communities created around software are political, as societies always are, but the software itself is inert.

The bottom line is that the Nostr project welcomes anyone, regardless of their politics. That is worth mentioning. If it attracts a certain type of political ideology, that has to do with the people who find the software appealing, not with the software itself.