by _DeadFred_ | 2025-09-22 02:10:33+00:00
Again I am not condoning what Israel is doing, I am simply continuing the discussion of if the US treated occupied Germany better than Israel is treating Gaza DURING wartime (the US was worse than I list here during wartime), which I don't think the US did. War is absolutely horrible. It took almost a year for the US to allow aid agencies to bring in food for starving German children. It sucks. It sucks the government of Gaza chose to start this war, chose the path to all this suffering. Germans were still on starvation diets in 1947, 2 years after the war ended. Child mortality in Germany was double western Europe until 1948. That is war. War sucks. Fuck Hamas for choosing war.

While WW2 ended in May 1945, relief organizations were not allowed into occupied Germany with supplies for starving children until mid 1946

Which months did Gaza not receive any aid? I see statements like this from the UN:

"Within the enclave, the World Food Programme (WFP) has food stocks sufficient to support active kitchens and bakeries for up to one month, as well as ready-to-eat food parcels to support 550,000 people for two weeks, Mr. Dujarric said."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161146

implying their is future risk, not that there were months with zero aid given out. There were months Germany did not receive new aid shipments as well, but existing aid was still given out. It looks like July of this year aid was down due to Hamas, not Israel. Again remember we are talking post war Germany versus active conflict Gaza where Hamas USES these sorts of things as weapons.

Looking around the GHF food boxes contain 42500 calories for 5.5 people for 3.5 days, making it 2207 calories a day. Still significantly higher than what the US occupation fed to Germans, the comparison that was brought up as 'better'.

So again, they are better off than occupied Germany was in the 1000-1500 calorie occupation/immediate post war 1945–46 years.

I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying war completely sucks, but that Israel is doing more than the USA did for Germany at the end of and immediately following WW2, the example that was presented to me as being better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_in_occupied_Germany

"The German infant mortality rate was twice that of other nations in Western Europe until the close of 1948."

"In early 1946, U.S. President Harry S. Truman allowed foreign relief organizations to enter Germany in order to review the food situation. In mid-1946, non-German relief organizations were permitted to help starving German children.[19] The German food situation became worst during the very cold winter of 1946–47, when German food energy intake ranged from 4,200 to 6,300 kJ (1,000 to 1,500 kcal) per day, a situation made worse by severe lack of fuel for heating."

"Herbert Hoover reported that in the fall of 1946, starvation produced a 40 percent increase in mortality among Germans over 70"

"Also, once it became clear there would be no rising, as threatened by the Nazis during the war, food controls were relaxed." - showing access to food was political on the US side.

"U.S. occupation forces were under strict orders not to share their food with the German population; these orders also applied to their wives when they arrived later in the occupation. The women were under orders not to allow their German maids to get hold of any leftovers; "the food was to be destroyed or made inedible"

"Your soldiers are good-natured, good ambassadors; but they create unnecessary ill will to pour 20 liters [5 U.S. gallons] of leftover cocoa in the gutter when it is badly needed in our clinics. It makes it hard for me to defend American democracy among my countrymen."

I think we've exhausted this discussion. Objectively occupied Germany had much much lower daily calories than ongoing combat Gaza. The US waited a year before aid agencies could help starving children. The US troops destroyed food IN FRONT OF starving Germans as part of policy for a year.