by AtlasBarfed | 2025-09-05 17:30:44+00:00
Why are you quoting something I didn't say? 'Is it cruel to sympathize with, and encourage, the perpetration of a genocide?'

So are you interested in a solution, or are you just pillorying people for sympathy?

The Palestinians want sympathy. The Israelis want sympathy. The Palestinians want money (and get) money. The Israelis want (and get) money. The Israelis pound a religious book and whine about this being their ancestral home. The Palestinians pound a religious book and whine about this being their ancestral home. The Israelis show through their actions that they would happily kill all Palestinians. The Palestinians leaders regularly declare they would happily kill all Jews. Both sides are evil terrorists/genociders/radicals/militants.

I'm so tired of naive/mendacious moralism by the proponents of both sides.

At this point, a solution that doesn't involve "final solutions" won't involve social media propaganda logic, or "I want to save all cute kittens" levels of understanding the political, sociological, and historical difficulties.

Do you want me to quantify the sympathy? Well fine. Here you go. The Holocaust killed 5-6 million Jews. The current ... intifada/assault/slaughter ... is 66,000. Displacements, forced migrations, and the like probably killed hundreds of thousands more Palestinians. So let's go for the entire 75 years and say ... 500,000. Which is 1/10th the genocide placed on Jews, leaving out the hundreds of years historical pogroms of Europe.

So should I feel 90% sympathy for Israel and 10% for Palestine? That's what the scoreboard says roughly over the last 100 years. Is that what you want? Obviously that is ridiculous logic, and most importantly, doesn't help one iota for a short or long term resolution.

The Palestinians got an unprecedented historical gift: the amount of aid they have received after the 1950s British Empire like territorial and ethnic chaos is geopolitically engineered in the creation of Israel, I can't think of anything similar. It supported a population of like 500,000 people to the point they became 5,000,000 people.

It's because of the unprecedented oil wealth, obviously, and the kindness of Arab oil states, I believe UAE in particular.

Palestinians don't seem to realize that their greatest enemy isn't Israel: this aid largess that supports them is going to dry up. Oil is going to be less valuable as transportation electrification and alternative energy develop. The great eye of sauron that watches this little postage stamp of the world will turn to deal with other things, like nascent superpower conflicts between EU-Russia and China-Taiwan.

And I haven't even gotten to global warming disruptions that probably will start to rear up in the coming decades.

The money will dry up. The attention will disappear. The sympathy will fade. Israel will gain unrestrained power over the Palestinians.

The Gazans need to eject Hamas leadership, and surrender them to the Israelis. Then accept whatever conditions to be allowed to create and economy. That swinehead Jared Kushner is indirectly correct: their only hope for some economy is as a tourist economy for their swathe of the Mediterranean Sea. I don't see any other way they can construct some economy of and degree of self-sufficiency.

If Gaza and the West Bank don't find some means of doing something like this, they die of mass starvation when the aid necessary to support 5,000,000 people disappears.

Israel doesn't have to do anything but .... wait. They'll probably lose a large amount of US military aid at some point but they have an economy and industries to support the loss of that aid, and as the most geopolitically effective "ally" the US has in the region, it won't disappear entirely.

All the bullshit sympathy mongering by pro-Palestinians is just dooming them further. It keeps the conflict going and keeps resolution intractable, something that, as I have stated, the respective controlling political powers want, but the people ... probably not.

So if you have SERIOUS insights or solutions, please... go ahead.