by godelski | 2025-09-10 05:45:27+00:00
I mean you can Google these... They also have been popping up on HN for the last year, it is even referenced in the article, and there's even another post in the sidebar titled "Anthropic Record AI Copyright Pact Sets Bar for OpenAI, Meta"[0], so I really didn't feel it was necessary to provide links. But sure, if you're feeling lazy, I got your back. I'll even limit it to HN posts so you don't have to even leave the site

Torrenting: Meta Pirating Books[1,2,3] - [1] Fun fact, [1] is the most popular post of all time on HN for the search word "torrent" and the 5th ranking for "Meta". [2] is the 16th for "illegal" Nvidia [4,5] Apple, Nvidia, Anthropic[6] GitHub [7,8] OpenAI [9,10] Google [11] - I mean this one was even mentioned in the articled from the Anthropic post from a few days ago[12]

I hope that's sufficient. You can find plenty more if you do a good old fashion search instead of just using the HN search. But most of these were pretty high profile stories so was pretty quick to look.

> which establishes president that training an LLM is fair use. ~~~~~~~~~ precedent

I think you misunderstand. The precedent is over the issue of piracy. This has not made precedence over the issue of fair use. There is ongoing litigation, but there was precedence set in another lawsuit with Meta[13], which is currently going through appeals. I'll give you a head start on that one [14,15]. But the issue of fair use is still being debated. These things take years and I don't think anyone will be surprised when this stuff lands in some of the highest courts and gets revisited in a different administration.

> IMO a fine of 100x the value of a copy of the pirated work is more than sufficient as a punishment for piracy.

Sure. You can have whatever opinion you want. I wasn't arguing about your opinion. I even agreed with it[16]!

But that is a different topic all together. I still think you've vastly over simplified the conversation and thus unintentionally making some naive assumptions. It's the whole reason I said "probably" in [16]. The big difference being just that you're smart enough to figure out how law works and I'm smart enough to know that neither of us are lawyers.

And please don't ask me for more citations unless they are difficult to Google... I think I already set some kinda record here...

[0] https://archive.is/3oCg8 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42971446 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43125840 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42772771 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40505480 [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41163032 [6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40987971 [7] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33457063 [8] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27724042 [9] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42273817 [10] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38781941 [11] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11520633 [12] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45142885 [13] https://perkinscoie.com/insights/update/court-sides-meta-fair-use-and-dmca-questions-leaves-door-open-future-challenges [14] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/07/meta-pirated-and-seeded-porn-for-years-to-train-ai-lawsuit-says/ [15] https://torrentfreak.com/copyright-lawsuit-accuses-meta-of-pirating-adult-films-for-ai-training/ [16] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45190232