MurphyA/hacker-news huggingface dataset:
by Quarrel | 2025-08-05 17:24:20+00:00
Is your point really that- "I need to see all data downloaded to make this model, before I can know it is open"? Do you have $XXB worth of GPU time to ingest that data with a state of the art framework to make a model? I don't. Even if I did, I'm not sure FB or Google are in any better position to claim this model is or isn't open beyond the fact that the weights are there.

They're giving you a free model. You can evaluate it. You can sue them. But the weights are there. If you dislike the way they license the weights, because the license isn't open enough, then sure, speak up, but because you can't see all the training data??! Wtf.
by didibus | 2025-08-05 17:24:27+00:00
> He literally wrote the bulk of a multi-million line system, most of the code is still running today without much change and powering a unicorn level business

I've been a bit of that engineer (though not at the same scale), like say wrote 70% of a 50k+ loc greenfield service. But I'm not sure it really means I'm 10x. Sometime this comes from just being the person allowed to do it, that doesn't get questioned in it's design choices, decisions of how to structure and write the code, that doesn't get any push back on having massive PRs where others almost just paper stamp it.

And you can really only do this at the greenfield phase, when things are not yet in production, and there's so much baseline stuff that's needed in the code.

But it ends up being the 80/20 rule, I did the 80% of the work in 20% of the time it'll take to go to prod, because that 20% remaining will eat up 80% of the time.
by jauntywundrkind | 2025-08-05 17:24:32+00:00
> Solar, wind, and battery, even without the grants, is already quite cheap. You'd have to fine the industries to really slow down deployment at this point.

Hence the other part of this Evil Sinister Traitor plan, denying & rescinding permits for green energy blanketly:

> The Interior Department released a new secretarial order Friday saying it may no longer issue any permits to a solar or wind project on federal lands unless the agency believes it will generate as much energy per acre as a coal, gas, or nuclear power plant.

https://heatmap.news/sparks/interior-department-wind-solar-l...

Renewables aren't dense power! But America has land, and if we switch to renewables, maybe maybe the oceans won't rise & we won't lose a ton of land.

God these people are literally the worst Captain Planet supervillain shitheels. Literally the worst hive of scum and villainy.
by legitster | 2025-08-05 17:24:42+00:00
> The thing about running fiber is that it's not particularly expensive to do. dig trench, install infrastructure, rebury it. Hell, if you have a utility pole, you can omit steps 1 and 3, so long as you're okay with the line being exposed to the elements.

Uhhhh.... it can cost several hundred dollars just to dig a trench across my yard. If the plan involves providing broadband to rural farmhouses that might be miles apart, that could be tens of thousands of dollars per customer.

Obviously on utility poles (where they exist) is going to be much cheaper, but you still need an ISP to build and operate the thing and set up things like repeater boxes and deal with outages.
by curious_cat_163 | 2025-08-05 17:24:53+00:00
> So what is final state here for us? Return to menial not-yet-automated work? And when this would be eventually automated, what's left? Plug our brains to personalized autogenerated worlds that are tailored to trigger related neuronal circuitry for producing ever increasing dopamine levels and finally burn our brains out (which is arguably already happening with tiktok-style leasure)? And how you are supposed to pay for that, if all work is automated? How economics of that is supposed to work?

Wow. What a picture! Here's an optimistic take, fwiw: Whenever we have had a paradigm shift in our ability to process information, we have grappled with it by shifting to higher-level tasks.

We tend to "invent" new work as we grapple with the technology. The job of a UX designer did not exist in 1970s (at least not as a separate category employing 1000s of people; now I want to be careful this is HN, so there might be someone on here who was doing that in the 70s!).

And there is capitalism -- if everyone has access to the best-in-class model, then no one has true edge in a competition. That is not a state that capitalism likes. The economics _will_ ultimately kick in. We just need this recent S-curve to settle for a bit.
by HarHarVeryFunny | 2025-08-05 17:25:04+00:00
Maybe because LLMs are literally designed to generate boring content. They are trained to output the best possible prediction - i.e most predictable version - of how the input will continue (i.e the least surprising/interesting continuation).

Humans use surprise (= prediction failure) as a learning signal and to focus our attention, so not surprising that we dose off and lose interest when something is highly predictable.

Good human authors know how to introduce plot twists and suspense, to keep the reader engaged and guessing. Imagine an entire novel that was instead written by an LLM, where the only plot twists are the predictable ones it copied from it's training material. The same goes for any LLM generated prose, whether advertising copy or training manual - it's going to be a snooze fest because it's so predictable - very low signal to noise ratio.
by rented_mule | 2025-08-05 17:25:07+00:00
> cell phones have basically filled that area in years ago

That doesn't work well in mountainous areas, which are often rural. There are three towers within a couple of miles of my house, but nothing close to line of sight to any of them. ~1/4 mile away I can get full service, but I have none at all at home.

Luckily Comcast / Xfinity rewired our little town a few years ago so we don't have to rely on satellite (not great during the heavy snowstorms and thunderstorms we get). I'd love to use cellular as a backup as we have 3~20 full days of blackouts per year (most of us have generators and/or batteries) and Xfinity goes down 80-90 minutes after a blackout starts.
by petuman | 2025-08-05 17:25:13+00:00
> assuming I need 1k tokens/second throughput (on each, so 20 x 1k)

3.6B activated at Q8 x 1000 t/s = 3.6TB/s just for activated model weights (there's also context). So pretty much straight to B200 and alike. 1000 t/s per user/agent is way too fast, make it 300 t/s and you could get away with 5090/RTX PRO 6000.
by wizenheimer | 2025-08-05 17:25:15+00:00
Just CC cruso@cruso.app on any email thread and it handles the rest

"Shift my afternoon back 30 minutes" → Done. "When am I free next week?" → Answered. "Block Friday for deep work" → Blocked.

Open-Source alternative to Howie.ai, Claralabs, and more

https://github.com/wizenheimer/cruso

https://www.cruso.app/
by 4b6442477b1280b | 2025-08-05 17:25:17+00:00
with quantization, 20B fits effortlessly in 24GB

with quantization + CPU offloading, non-thinking models run kind of fine (at about 2-5 tokens per second) even with 8 GB of VRAM

sure, it would be great if we could have models in all sizes imaginable (7/13/24/32/70/100+/1000+), but 20B and 120B are great.
by nicknow | 2025-08-05 17:25:37+00:00
Completely agree.

What will happen is over time this will become the new baseline for developing software.

It will mean we can deliver software faster. Maybe more so than other advances, but it won't fundamentally change the fact that software takes real effort and that effort will not go away, since that effort is much more than just coding this or that function.

I could create a huge list of things that have made developing and deploying quality software easier: linters, static type checkers, code formatters, hot reload, intelligent code completion, distributed version control (i.e., Git), unit testing frameworks, inference schema tools, code from schema, etc. I'm sure others can add dozens of items to that list. And yet there seems to be an unending amount of software to be built, limited only by the people available to build it and an organizations funding to hire those people.

In my personal work, I've found AI-assisted development to make me faster (not sure I have a good estimate for how much faster.) What I've also found is that it makes it much easier to tackle novel problems within an existing solution base. And I believe this is likely to be a big part of the dev productivity gain.

Just an example, lets say we want to use the strangler pattern as part of our modernization approach for a legacy enterprise app that has seen better days. Unless you have some senior devs who are both experienced with that pattern AND experienced with your code base, it can take a lot of trial and error to figure out how to make it work. (As you said, most of our work isn't actually typing code.)

This is where an AI/LLM tool can go to work on understanding the code base and understanding the pattern to create a reference implementation approach and tests. That can save a team of devs many weeks of trial & error (and stress) not to mention guidance on where they will run into roadblocks deep into the code base.

And, in my opinion, this is where a huge portion of the AI-assisted dev savings will come from - not so much writing the code (although that's helpful) but helping devs get to the details of a solution much faster.

It's that googling has always gotten us to generic references and AI gets us those references fit for our solution.
by mlyle | 2025-08-05 17:25:47+00:00
An A100 is probably 2-4k tokens/second on a 20B model with batched inference.

Multiply the number of A100's you need as necessary.

Here, you don't really need the ram. If you could accept fewer tokens/second, you could do it much cheaper with consumer graphics cards.

Even with A100, the sweet-spot in batching is not going to give you 1k/process/second. Of course, you could go up to H100...
by trogdor | 2025-08-05 17:26:01+00:00
> But it would still be VERY surprising that any court would take any complaint about terrorism from a terrorist supporter, from a person who left for a war zone declaring his intent to become a terrorist in the newspaper, seriously.

Why? Prosecutors should pursue cases based on evidence. As long as the evidence is valid, it shouldn’t matter who brought it to the prosecutor’s attention.
by ticulatedspline | 2025-08-05 17:26:22+00:00
Even without an imminent release it's a good strategy. They're getting pressure from Qwen and other high performing open-weight models. without a horse in the race they could fall behind in an entire segment.

There's future opportunity in licensing, tech support, agents, or even simply to dominate and eliminate. Not to mention brand awareness, If you like these you might be more likely to approach their brand for larger models.
by jauntywundrkind | 2025-08-05 17:26:47+00:00
The Interior Department is almost making it impossible to build renewables.

> The Interior Department released a new secretarial order Friday saying it may no longer issue any permits to a solar or wind project on federal lands unless the agency believes it will generate as much energy per acre as a coal, gas, or nuclear power plant.

https://heatmap.news/sparks/interior-department-wind-solar-l...

Yeah, like, there's zero chance a solar plant is going to be as power dense as a natural gas plant.

America has been taken over by traitors trying to destroy this nation.
by tempfile | 2025-08-05 17:26:52+00:00
LLMs are indeed not "someone". They are programs, like web browsers, acting on user instruction. The user is a person. I am only talking about people - I never said that an LLM does anything of its own volition.

> The simplest example that comes to mind is geoblocking.

Do you think it is alright to geoblock people, for arbitrary reasons? It is one thing when GDPR imposes a legal obligation on you for serving content in a particular way. Note that that actually doesn't prevent you from seeing the content, it just prevents you from being served by that server. The distinction is important - circumventing a geoblock is something I think should be legally protected.

> They are not humans, they are not consumers, they don't simply fetch the content and present it to the users

They simply fetch the content, run it through a software, and present it to the user. As far as you, the service owner, are concerned, they are simply fetching the content for the user. It is none of your business what the user and the AI company go on to do with "your content".
by sigmar | 2025-08-05 17:27:02+00:00
Non-rhetorically, why would someone pay for o3 api now that I can get this open model from openai served for cheaper? Interesting dynamic... will they drop o3 pricing next week (which is 10-20x the cost[1])?

[1] currently $3M in/ $8M out https://platform.openai.com/docs/pricing
by maltalex | 2025-08-05 17:27:24+00:00
If you’re working in the .net ecosystem, you need to grok msbuild. Is not exactly painless or elegant, but is incredibly powerful. Creating a nuget package that applies settings and configuration files to consuming projects is the tip of a very deep iceberg.

I’m the author and owner of a similar code style/code quality package in a fairly large company and went through a very similar process, culminating with writing our own Roslyn-based analyzers to enforce various internal practices to supplant the customized configuration of the Microsoft provided analyzers. Also, we discovered that different projects need different level of analysis. We’re less strict with e.g test projects than core infrastructure. But all projects need to have the same formatting and style. That too can be easily done with one nuget using msbuild.
by lurking_swe | 2025-08-05 17:27:47+00:00
The meddling i suggest is merely to make the market fair. It removes bad actors that are intentionally trying to hurt true price discovery.

Someone selling a home with major issues, and trying to hide those issues for passing inspection, is clearly just a scammer.

So yes - i’m talking about a free market where there are honest actors. Not completely free. I do see the difference, but that’s splitting hairs imo.
by johnfn | 2025-08-05 17:27:50+00:00
The problem is that an online comment is not a dialogue.

If I'm conversing with someone in real life, and they say something I strongly disagree with, I can disagree, and we can discuss and perhaps they tell me that I misunderstood them, or they articulated themselves incorrectly, or we are proceeding from different assumptions, etc. I'm reading something online, and I reach a sentence that I strongly disagree with, I essentially have to stop reading at that point, because from that point on I have diverged from being in alignment with the perspective of the author. And there's no back-and-forth to be had, so I need to state my point as clearly as possible - otherwise someone will just do the same thing back to me.

I dunno, I kind of feel like I'm probably the type of person that's being described here, but I don't really intend to "make OP wrong". I just don't see any other option other than to state my disagreement as plainly as possible, so other people can pick it apart.
by stevelehmann | 2025-08-05 17:28:14+00:00
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by stpedgwdgfhgdd | 2025-08-05 17:28:22+00:00
Based on my own experience and reading a ton of HN posts, i would summarize it as:

- vibe coding is fun, but not production-ready software engineering

- LLMs like CC today moderately boost your performance. A lot of attention is still needed.

- some TDD style is needed for the AI tool to converge

- based on the growth of the last few months, it is quite likely that these tools will increase IC productivity substantially

- fully autonomous agentic coding will take more time as the error rate needs to decline significantly
by jakozaur | 2025-08-05 17:29:01+00:00
The coding seems to be one of the strongest use cases for LLMs. Though currently they are eating too many tokens to be profitable. So perhaps these local models could offload some tasks to local computers.

E.g. Hybrid architecture. Local model gathers more data, runs tests, does simple fixes, but frequently asks the stronger model to do the real job.

Local model gathers data using tools and sends more data to the stronger model.

It
by addaon | 2025-08-05 17:29:08+00:00
I'm in a small town (5000 people) on the Utah/Arizona border. The internet options are better, cheaper, and more reliable than I had in old town Mountain View, Palo Alto, or Sunnyvale. I go with the symmetric 1 gig with static IP, but symmetric 8 gig is an option as well. Silicon Valley's home internet options just suck.
by magicmicah85 | 2025-08-05 17:29:38+00:00
It's called Ark in a Flood by Churchill. There's the studio recorded version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhBHxWrXQT8

And then I found this live version here that I'm studying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPQZsp59szo
by consumer451 | 2025-08-05 17:29:38+00:00
I am currently on a farm in a very rural area, in a central EU country.

900mbps symmetric, $25/month fiber. The fiber run was subsidized/possibly entirely funded by EU money.

> EU support to rural revitalisation through broadband roll-out and smart solutions

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/eu-support-rur...
by radiofreeeuropa | 2025-08-05 17:30:01+00:00
Does there exist another source for a good, broad web index that can provide results like mid-'00s Google?

I use DDG mostly but if I need to actually search the web I go to Yandex (I don't have Kagi... at least not yet). I don't know of another place that can do that.

Like, is there a viable alternative for Kagi?
by Uehreka | 2025-08-05 17:30:12+00:00
> yet the general consensus and my own experience seem to be that Sonnet is much much better

Given that there’s nothing close to scientific analysis going on, I find it hard to tell how big the “Sonnet is overall better, not just sometimes” crowd is. I think part of the problem is that “The bigger model is better” feels obvious to say, so why say it? Whereas “the smaller model is better actually” feels both like unobvious advice and also the kind of thing that feels smart to say, both of which would lead to more people who believe it saying it, possibly creating the illusion of consensus.

I was trying to dig into this yesterday, but every time I come across a new thread the things people are saying and the proportions saying what are different.

I suppose one useful takeaway is this: If you’re using Claude Max and get downgraded from Opus to Sonnet for a few hours, you don’t have to worry too much about it being a harsh downgrade in quality.
by gnulinux | 2025-08-05 17:30:23+00:00
Wow, that's significantly cheaper than o4-mini which seems to be on part with gpt-oss-120b. ($1.10/M input tokens, $4.40/M output tokens) Almost 10x the price.

LLMs are getting cheaper much faster than I anticipated. I'm curious if it's still the hype cycle and Groq/Fireworks/Cerebras are taking a loss here, or whether things are actually getting cheaper. At this we'll be able to run Qwen3-32B level models in phones/embedded soon.
by Alupis | 2025-08-05 17:30:34+00:00
Depends where you are and where the line needs to be run. Shutting down a busy city road? Gonna be expensive...

At our current building, we just had fiber run from an in-ground vault already on premises (but not serving the building) into our MPOE - cost about $18k to go less than 100 yards... majority of-which didn't require boring.

My original point was, people want fast internet out in the boonies but aren't willing to pay for it. Few residential customers are going to shell out $600+ a month for fast internet... but that's what's required for the ISP to recoup their construction costs in anything resembling a reasonable time period.
by kelseyfrog | 2025-08-05 17:30:39+00:00
Art is a framing device largely independent of the content. It's how we get Fountain[1], Piss Christ[2], Comedian[3], Mother![4], 4’33”[5], and Seedbed[6] to name a few among countless others. To claim that AI content is incapable of being framed as art is nonsense when we have example after example of the diversity of what art can be. Let's remember, bad art is still art.

1. Marcel Duchamp. 1917

2. Andres Serrano. 1987

3. Maurizio Cattelan. 2019

4. Darren Aronofsky. 2017

5. John Cage. 1952

6. Vito Acconci. 1972
by ufo | 2025-08-05 17:30:52+00:00
The problem they were discussion in the linked Github issue are pipelines where the functions receive more than one argument.

const x = fun1(a, 10) const y = fun2(x, 20) const z = fun3(y, 30)

In this case the pipeline version would create a bunch of throwaway closures.

a |> ((a) => fun1(a, 10)) |> ((x) => fun2(x, 20)) |> ((y) => fun3(y, 30))
by kjellsbells | 2025-08-05 17:31:19+00:00
> Also, I'm not really aware of anyone that is truly without "internet access" as cell phones have basically filled that area in years ago

Unfortunately very much not true. The US is a very large and sparsely populated place. As far as cell and broadband service goes, much of West Virginia, huge chunks of PA, upstate NY, and Maine all have limited or no cell service. In the Midwest the communication infrastructure is often delivered by community co-ops, not corporations, that also deliver electric power. And dont get me started on the vast Western states.

The US has, frankly, an absolutely ludicrous patchwork of providers and infrastructure for telephone, power, and broadband. It looks reasonably peachy when you drive on the Interstate but get off there and youll see how limited it is.

Sat internet would really help people get from zero to 1, but that said, its still kinda crappy compared to fiber. Having the bird in range for 15 minutes until you have to handover to the next bird is not conducive to smooth, glitch free Internet.
by feoren | 2025-08-05 17:31:19+00:00
None of that is new, but there were ways for the genuinely new, inspired, and genius to actually shine through before. It was hard, but possible. Humanity is making decisions that make that even harder: AI music, Spotify's revenue model, etc. They're all to the benefit of cookie-cutter slop (AI or human-made) over creativity.

This wouldn't necessarily be a problem as long as people were still free to create on their own. But instead, everyone is forced to spend more hours in menial bullshit jobs for less and less (relative) pay just to survive. Give everyone enough resources to live at least a simple life, and both human creativity and AI creativity can blossom at the same time. But of course that means fewer yachts and hookers and drugs for the billionaires, so it is verboten.