by DiogenesKynikos | 2025-07-16 07:41:41+00:00
> They absolutely have rights. For example, they can marry, they can buy things, go to work, sell things, they have a lot of rights. So, stop lying.

And they can be killed by Israeli soldiers or settlers, imprisoned and tortured by Israel with no trial or charges, or have their homes demolished by Israel. They can't travel more than a few kilometers without having to go through Israeli military checkpoints, where they can be humiliated, stopped for no reason at all, or taken captive. They are subjected to pogroms by Israeli settlers, while the IDF stands by and watches (or even sides with the settlers). But they can marry one another, so I guess everything is fine, right? Do you hear yourself? As a Jewish person, you should be ashamed to be justifying extreme oppression of an ethnic minority like this. It's a complete betrayal of Jewish history and values.

> I’m sure the Jews in Warsaw ghetto got their tax revenue and used it to fund martyrs fund to kill innocent polish civilians. Quite a novel discovery about the history of Warsaw Ghetto!

First, this is completely irrelevant to my point, which is that the PA is as powerless as the Judenrat in the Warsaw Ghetto was. You want to go on a tangent about the existence of Palestinian terrorism (which is a response to Israeli state violence). If we start talking about the widespread use of terrorism by the Zionists / Israelis during the establishment of their state in the 1930s-40s, you will, of course, suddenly have nothing to say.

> No it doesn’t. The same time Israel disengaged with Gaza it also cleaned up and removed numerous settlements in the West Bank.

Settlement activity in the West Bank continued apace. If you look at a graph of the number of Israeli settlers over time, the Gaza disengagement does not even create a blip. The numbers kept increasing, year after year. There are now 70% more Israeli settlers than there were just before the Gaza disengagement.

> Another novel historical take: Jews lived peacefully in Muslim lands for generations! It’s all fault of some other Jews thousands of miles away that Jews of Iraq were attacked by Arabs. It was not the decision of the Arabs in Iraq to attack their fellow countrymen, it was… hm…

Of all the countries you could have chosen to talk about, Iraq is the absolute worst for your argument. In Iraq specifically, there have consistently been strong suspicions by historians that the Israeli intelligence services carried out attacks on the Jewish community in order to spur emigration to Israel, and more evidence of that has come out in recent years. The Israelis played extremely dirty, driven by an ideology that says the ends justify the means.

My historical take here is not novel at all. It's just a historical fact that antisemitism was historically much worse in Europe than in the Middle East, and that the founding of Israel and the expulsion of the Palestinians by the self-proclaimed "Jewish state" dramatically increased antisemitism in the entire region.

> Talking points? Man, you make up history as we speak. Make factually incorrect claims. And I’m the one with talking points?

I haven't made anything up. You weren't even aware of Operation Nickel Grass, the massive US resupply effort to Israel in 1973, and you claimed it was made up. Before accusing others of making things up, you should learn the basic history.

> Your values are not universal, they are conditioned on who is the subject, you apply different standards to Israelis and Palestinians, and you telling me about “zionists” and talking points? Hilarious.

It's precisely because I have universal values that, unlike you, I don't form my opinions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict based on my Jewish ethnicity.