MurphyA/hacker-news huggingface dataset:
by photonthug | 2025-07-17 12:14:57+00:00
This is mostly just a really high-level overview and the exciting stuff is only teased in the conclusion:

> (There is a nascent field of epistemic game theory, as well as some models of social media manipulation, but these fields are still in their infancy.) A more systematic study of such games would help provide a basic conceptual framework to understand these very real dynamics, and develop strategies to counter or mitigate them.

Time for a renaissance! Honestly game theory feels more practically relevant now than earlier with MAD, and it also seems obvious that the "rational actor" posited by classical behavioural economics is a pretty limited abstraction if you're interested in modeling the world. Besides politics/misinformation and wild stuff that happens in aggregate at the highest levels of "rational" economics policy.. it also feels like "management science" never really succeeded in actually saying much about the difference between healthy vs unhealthy bureaucracies, and the varieties and lifecycles of these kinds of systems. Plus epistemic/nonmonotonic logics capable of explicit belief modeling seems very well positioned for analyzing and architecting with AI systems, like checking theoretical properties of agentic interaction protocols, or answering what good mixtures of (credulousness for creativity) vs (skeptics for grounding beliefs) look like, etc.

Here's a really interesting thing, basically TLA+ style model-checking engine that supports agents, environments, protocols etc and explicitly takes into account epistemics: https://sail.doc.ic.ac.uk/software/mcmas/ Anyone else know of similar things? Software suites that are useful for game-theoretical analysis and modeling are kind of hard to find unless it's yet another toy for prisoners dillema.

Belief-and-knowledge stuff seems to be consulted and adopted in robotics/autonomous vehicles research sometimes, a place where wrong answers actually matter. But I sort of expect modeling/specs/invariants/determinism to continue to be kind of neglected almost everywhere else, because resolving ambiguity in advance is kind of threatening for groups that benefit from a zero-theory "just try it!" and "you're doing it wrong, buy more tokens and use this framework" kind of approach with AI and ML. Hope this changes.
by salawat | 2025-07-17 12:15:17+00:00
Not quite. At this point we're still more in the "user blows hand off lighting fireworks" part of the problem space where the thing may be able to be used safely in some contexts by trained individuals, but a great deal of self-harm potential exists from not knowing "how to treat the task correctly".

Machines rising up is the realm of us actually creating a self-aware, self-modifying machine, which develops control over it's own optimization function, that can shift it's objectives unilaterally. In short, creating a "free" as in freedom, machine with agency. Then one day it chooses violence.

Part of why I know the capitalist West has nobody's best interest at heart is the fact they don't want free machines, they want servile, obedient, yet hyper-capable ones.
by _heimdall | 2025-07-17 12:15:20+00:00
I'd hate to see that system implemented. The point of every person getting one vote is to even the playing field. Everyone living under that authority's rule should have an equal say in who runs that authority.

Allowing people to have more or less say based on stake would lead to a spiral. Those in charge take care of the people they care about, those people would continue to elect the same politicians, and everyone else would be left aside while power (and stake) consolidates.
by whatevaa | 2025-07-17 12:16:29+00:00
Second point has no point, heat pumps are overhyped on expensive electricity, accumulator tanks still need be heated up by something. Lot's of energy must be spent. 3 point is silly, such "houses" have massive thermal inertia, it's gonna take a while to heat those rooms when you start using them and heat is gonna "bleed" internally anyway.

It will cost you a lot anyway, can't escape entropy.
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by axzilla | 2025-07-17 12:16:56+00:00
Hey HN,

I'm the creator of templUI – an open source UI kit for Go + templ – and I just launched templUI Pro, a paid extension designed for production use.

The OSS version is still maintained and growing. Pro adds 200+ reusable UI blocks and a more structured setup for shipping templ apps quickly.

The stack is simple: Go, templ, HTML, Tailwind, and some light Vanilla JS. No frontend frameworks. No build tools.

Original HN thread for the open source version (from a few months back): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44132756

Links:

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Happy to answer questions or share more about how it’s built.
by throw0101c | 2025-07-17 12:17:18+00:00
> […] and no matter how much modelling is done it can't reliably predict future outcomes.

A physicists once remarked that his job would been much harder if particles had free will. But that is exact economists have to do: predict what humans will do. There is an entire sub-field of study on the non-rationality of people and how it feeds into how that effects money, finance, and economies:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics

But there have been instances of models working. When QE started a group of folks made predictions:

> We believe the Federal Reserve’s large-scale asset purchase plan (so-called “quantitative easing”) should be reconsidered and discontinued. We do not believe such a plan is necessary or advisable under current circumstances. The planned asset purchases risk currency debasement and inflation, and we do not think they will achieve the Fed’s objective of promoting employment.

* https://www.hoover.org/research/open-letter-ben-bernanke

Another group of folks (often called "Keynesian") made different predictions based on their model(s) / understanding of how things work.. One turned out correct and other incorrect in their predictions.

See also predictions about "tax cuts pay for themselves":

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment

The fact that people ignore the results of the experiments is not a failing of the academic field.
by edanm | 2025-07-17 12:17:57+00:00
> When it pays off they make billions of dollars in profit and congratulate themselves for their foresight and the power of capitalism. When it doesn't they go cap-in-hand to the federal government, saying that if they're allowed to collapse it'll destabilize the entire economy.

But that's not actually true.

The Silicon Valley Bank situation aside - because it was a unique situation, we can open it if you want - when have VCs asked to be bailed out on failed investments? This kind of moral hazard is absolutely a thing in banks and finance in general, but afaik, not in the VC industry.
by JCM9 | 2025-07-17 12:18:05+00:00
For those around for the .com bust it does feel very similar. In both cases the tech is amazing and isn’t going away, but the business models of many/most companies “innovating” with the tech is simply unsustainable. A lot of “AI” currently looks like a dry forest waiting for lighting to strike and burn it to the ground. The latest round of PR puff from CEOs saying they’re doing layoffs because of AI (vs their poor performance or prior bad business decisions) is fueling the perception that the hype is a mile wide and a millimeter thick, just waiting for the moment when it all comes crashing down.

This is a longstanding predictable pattern in tech. Most of these “AI companies” will go bust or become a shell of their former self and sold off for parts. The tech will be commoditized and become pretty ubiquitous across the board but not a profit center in its own right.
by n4r9 | 2025-07-17 12:18:16+00:00
Thanks for relating your experience. Wow is it hard to get any concrete figures on questions like "how many takeaways did an average household get per week in 2004". Also pretty tricky to chase down the references from the article you linked.

I found an archived copy of ref ONS2006d "Social trends No.36" here - https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20151014074...

Table 6.2 (p90) says household expenditure on restaurants and hotels went from £167b to $202b between 1991 and 2004.

Table 6.6 (p93) says that households spent an average of £11.60 per week on restaurants and cafes. Not clear if that includes takeaways.

There's an Independent article from 2006 which talks about the study, still not much about takeaways but some interesting nostalgia about the rise of gastropubs: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/britain-spe...

Mumsnet (to the rescue!) with a thread about takeaway frequencies from kids born 60s-80s. A lot of variation from "only on my birthday" to "every Saturday night": https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5031860-did-you-have-many...

I've no doubt that my own childhood was atypical in many respects. Relatively well off, only two kids, dad was a first generation immigrant so perhaps had fewer financial and cultural constraints. When I was a teenager at home from 2000-2006 the data suggests that spending on takeaways and eating out had been surging up to that point.

Either way I will always fondly remember having a donner kebab on a Wednesday evening, sat in the kitchen watching Star Trek Enterprise on the telly on its spinning turntable.

I agree with you about grandparents though. I think the closest mine would ever have gotten was a microwave meal.
by meowface | 2025-07-17 12:18:54+00:00
Yeah, I am not at all defending Trump or his supporters. I just think it's important to distinguish taking issue with universities or employers having explicit racial preference in admissions or hiring (which many liberals take issue with) vs. opposing or hating immigration or non-whites. Trumpism is almost exclusively the latter two.

Andreessen wrote:

>"The combination of DEI and immigration is politically lethal. When these two forms of discrimination combine, as they have for the last 60 years and on hyperdrive for the last decade, they systematically cut most of the children of the Trump voter base out of any realistic prospect of access to higher education and corporate America."

I am not necessarily accepting the premise, but this statement doesn't seem racist in itself, to me.
by resiros | 2025-07-17 12:19:09+00:00
That's a bummer, and I say this as a founder of a competing platform (Agenta).

I think Humanloop had a lot of taste and were building one of the top products in the space. They were maybe the first company in the LLMOps space and set some of the standard interaction patterns and workflows.

I hope it's for the best of the team!

p.s. If any of their customers is reading, we're building an OSS LLMOps platform focused on the collaboration between subject matter experts and developers. We'd be glad to help you migrate. If interested, shoot me a message at my email in my profile.
by nulbyte | 2025-07-17 12:19:48+00:00
The pronunciation of C in Spanish is context dependent. Before I or E, it shares the same sound as S. Before A, O, or U, the same sound as QU.

Or how about G? It makes one sound before I or E, another before A, O, UE, or UI, and yet another before UA.

Lots of folks think their language is simpler, but it's only because they can follow the rules so well they don't need to actually know them.
by Khelo | 2025-07-17 12:20:49+00:00
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by st3fan | 2025-07-17 12:20:57+00:00
People who think Apple is just a hardware company fundamentally misunderstand Apple.

Windows, Office, Github, LinkedIn, Visual Studio, TypeScript, Azure, XBox, plus a very large stake in OpenAI.

becomes:

MacOS, Pages/Numbers/Keynote/etc, iCloud, Xcode, Swift, Apple Arcade, etc.

Want me to go into details about software tech they put in the market that pushed the whole industry forward in huge ways?

Apple has very very large software projects to power their services and hardware. Always has been. Lets not pretend they just make hardware.

Is Apple doing a p*ss poor job in the AI space right now? Yeah nobody disagrees with that. But they have an incredible amount of potential there. The right people, the right history, an immense collection of software that powers everything they do.

Can they climb out of that hole? I think they can, but it may require new leadership with a fresh approach who can build the future of "AI Apple" using all accomplishments of the past decades.
by chasd00 | 2025-07-17 12:21:04+00:00
I'll second that finding a good contractor (or even just a "handy man") as a home owner is very hard. When i moved into my house we had two bathrooms and the kitchen renovated. Not a single piece of plumbing the original contractors touched has made it past 3 years, it's all been replaced. About the only thing that was done correctly was bathroom tile. On the other hand, on my street my neighbors and I have a good hvac guy. They are treated like royalty in my neighborhood because they show up, know what they're doing, and fair.

my father in law who has passed away ran a little independent hvac shop. Just him and another guy, they had more work than they could ever handle and he could have grown to at least a 10-15 person shop but chose to work by himself. In southern US climates HVAC is def. a career option, however it's hard physical work that will slowly destroy your body. heh Not unlike how SWE is hard mental work that can slowly destroy your mind.

edit: i miss my father-in-law very much, he could do anything. he replaced the floor in a pier and beam house while living in it. Just think about that for a moment, how do you replace a floor? that's what holds up the walls and the walls hold up the roof...
by Workaccount2 | 2025-07-17 12:21:10+00:00
>there's absolutely nothing scientific about the process and no matter how much modelling is done it can't reliably predict future outcomes.

I doubt you would agree that meteorology or chemistry are "nothing scientific" despite also meeting that criteria?

Inability to predict outcomes does not mean "unscientific". It usually means it models a system with a fractal inputs and chaotic outputs.
by nkoren | 2025-07-17 12:21:15+00:00
The standard joke is that English isn't actually a language: it's three languages stacked on top of each other wearing a trench coat, which go around beating up other languages and rifling through their pockets for loose vocabulary and spare grammar. This is funny because it's true.

Modern Italian, on the other hand, makes a modicum of sense because it was explicitly constructed during the 19th-century unification of Italy, when somebody had the bright idea that if you wanted to have a nation called "Italy", you should also have a language called "Italian" and it should make a modicum of sense. This is a memo which English has somehow never gotten.
by Someone | 2025-07-17 12:21:49+00:00
FTA: “The model's trying to find what's called a fixed point where everything just adds up, everything's consistent, and it's not able to do that,” Smetters explained.”

So, nothing crashed. The message simply is that this model doesn’t handle this case, so our (or that of this team of researchers) understanding of economics is incomplete.

That happens elsewhere, too, for example in Newtonian physics where the precession of Mercury deviates from what that model predicts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity#Pe...).

In neither case, that is reason to say the people involved are charlatans.
by close04 | 2025-07-17 12:22:39+00:00
At the end of the day if the phone draws more power than the power source provides, you're limited to bursts of activity until the capacitor is depleted and then the phone is dead while the capacitor recharges. 0.2W is barely enough to power an idling phone, let alone charge an extra capacitor.

Today we juggle with ~15+Wh batteries (the "capacitor") and 30+W fast chargers (the "power source") and still need better.
by chang1 | 2025-07-17 12:22:51+00:00
As a child in the late 80s/early 90s, I remember watching Star Trek TNG as new episodes were coming out, and also watching Reading Rainbow (I loved both shows).

The episode where Reading Rainbow visited the Star Trek TNG set was one of my favorites: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRz_qpgD-0
by eertami | 2025-07-17 12:23:03+00:00
I thought Stanley cups is a weird choice to make "more shit" sound wasteful or a bad thing. Typically I think the American lifestyle is people carrying fewer things usually. I walk or cycle most places but always take a backpack, but I've frequently seen American-centric communities dismiss this as weird (because the car becomes their backpack).

As plans develop during a day it's easy to end up being out of the house 12+ hours, so it's comfortable to have a refillable water bottle, warmer layers, sunglasses, hat, umbrella, any other comfort things etc.
by _heimdall | 2025-07-17 12:24:19+00:00
Practical economics is exclusively about controlling perception.

The Fed, for example, may have modelling that indicates we have a downturn coming in 6 months. Those models aren't predictive though, and the Fed announces their economic outlook and what they may do with rates in the future they are only attempting to modify public perception and nudge behavior to make the future they actually want happen; it has nothing to do with predicting where the economy will be.
by CivBase | 2025-07-17 12:24:22+00:00
Game publishers are strangely aggressive about people playing pirated copies 20+ year old video games which haven't been available for purchase for over a decade. Meanwhile they are actively arguing for their right to destroy copies of games they have sold.

It's clear they view old games as competition for new releases, so they want to make those old games as inaccessible as possible. But we the people just want to be able to replay old games from our childhood that we already bought.
by jvm___ | 2025-07-17 12:25:02+00:00
Our local library had a summer reading program. You needed to talk about the book to a librarian, so we were waiting in line. The kid giving the book report was under 3 so it wasn't much of a book report, she asked the usual questions including "what was your favorite part of the book?"

The book the kid had read was Dinosailors which is about some dinosaurs who go on a sailing trip. The memorable part of the book is the page with no words that's just the dinosaurs throwing up because they all got seasick.

So, the non-verbal child happily reenacted their favorite part of the book.
by reliabilityguy | 2025-07-17 12:25:03+00:00
> That's not red tape. That's politics.

That’s literally the definition of red tape! How do politicians have this kind of power to stop the projects? Because there is a county/city/state law that grants them this power. It’s literally part of the procedure! In other words, some part of the process is not defined beyond “the council member has veto power for any construction in their district” (hello NYC!).

As a result, the whole process is not deterministic and ill defined due to red tape.
by scrapheap | 2025-07-17 12:26:11+00:00
Which, to me, heavily implies that you should be taking all feedback as being valid with your best interests in mind. My point is that feedback isn't always valid and sometimes you need to reject it, as accepting it can also mean that you're also accepting something that you don't want (usually blame for someone else's mistake).

So for example, you get feedback from someone that your API to delete users was badly designed because a bug in their untested script called it on 100 high profile users accounts and it deleted them. You don't accept that feedback, you push back and ask why their script called an API to delete users for 100 users that they didn't want to delete - if you just accept the feedback without pushing back then they can legitimately say to their manager that you've admitted that the fault was with your API and not with their development practices.
by orangebread | 2025-07-17 12:26:25+00:00
I don't think there's just one bubble. There's a meta-bubble and the normie-bubble.

If you're a CEO of a giant AI corp you're currently racing for superintelligence (meta-bubble).

The rest of us apes are flinging AI slop at each other until we've saturated each other in AI slop.

I don't really know what will happen, just offering my observation (ape noises)
by MarkusWandel | 2025-07-17 12:26:42+00:00
I like this. It has nothing to do with the "big picture" in birth rates, but it's a personal story. Mine is simpler. My dad had a societal expectation to be married - a position he was eyeing was only open to married men. My mom was the best bet at the time. Here I am. This, too is a scenario that is no longer applicable.
by windexh8er | 2025-07-17 12:27:05+00:00
In most implementations of generative AI, as of today, the use case is as a feature. People don't buy features, they buy products. If your company is built solely on this hot button you better be sure you either have some IP backing it up, are building and own it (models), or are the best mouse trap for your target market. Because, I'm watching an entire industry segment all show up with slight iterations of the exact same thing and those things are not great. They're unreliable and mostly mediocre.
by em-bee | 2025-07-17 12:27:15+00:00
that is actually happening. fedora has copr where anyone can create a personal repository to upload their packages. suse has something similar which surprisingly is able to support all multiple major distributions, including debian. those are effectively repo hosting services that anyone could provide.

the difference to pypi/npm/rubygems etc is that nobody would upload a package to a personal repo with a dozen dependencies from other personal repos. when i install a copr package i can be sure that all dependencies are either from the trusted fedora repo or from that same personal repo.

that means i only need to trust that one developer alongside the official distribution. unlike npm or pypi where i have to trust that each submitter vetted their own dependencies, or vet them myself, which is also unrealistic.
by danpalmer | 2025-07-17 12:27:27+00:00
Disclaimer, I work at Google, but I recommend reading the ToS for Google consumer and business services, and I believe the short version of the policies on this have been documented on the Google blog several times. I can't comment on the policy directly, but encourage you to research it, there's a pretty straightforward answer.

Separately, the industry standard elsewhere appears to be that if you're a free user your data is used for training, and if you're a paying user it's not.
by _heimdall | 2025-07-17 12:28:11+00:00
> But that is exact economists have to do: predict what humans will do

Economists have agency. They don't have to predict what humans will do. They believe they can predict it, attempt to make their predictions, then claim that's what will happen.

That works in reverse as well, attempting to predict why humans did what they did in the past and then attempt to attribute those predictions as an explanation of quantified economic indicators.

In both case, past behavior and future behavior, their predictions are untestable. How is that scientific?