MurphyA/hacker-news huggingface dataset:
by tomhow | 2025-07-03 00:06:14+00:00
To those continuing to participate in this subthread:

This discussion thread is now over four days old and people are still engaging in inflammatory back-and-forth over historical facts or interpretations of historical facts.

This re-affirms what we see too often with these kinds of topics; that the people who are the most motivated to participate in them are the most attached to their pre-established understanding of the topic and mostly want to keep beating others over the head with it. This is not what HN is for and it destroys what it is for.

We want HN to be a place where people with different perspectives can discuss difficult topics like this in the spirit of curiosity and come away having learned something.

That's not possible when people respond to opposing arguments with barbs like this:

When called for with hard data that shows how preposterous that claim is

This is a blatant lie

This is an absurd lie, that’s either deeply rooted anti semitism or just blatant propaganda.

Seems like you are fully into the zio nazi alternate reality

Please step away from this discussion, take a moment to have a read of the guidelines and make an effort to observe them in future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
by apical_dendrite | 2025-07-03 00:06:14+00:00
I'm not sure why NIH is left off this list, since it's probably the most important scientific organization in the world. Between them NIH and NSF fund a huge proportion of the cutting edge science that is done in the US, either directly or by funding the training and early career work of researchers.

They fund a lot of the foundational work that doesn't get a lot of resources from the private sector. 99% of new drugs approved between 2010 and 2019 relied on NIH funding.
by fc417fc802 | 2025-07-03 00:06:58+00:00
You're being dense. The original statement was:

> maybe if you can't avoid causing harm then you shouldn't be allowed to operate?

That isn't plausible to interpret as an absolute. The tradeoff is implied - as far as I can tell there isn't any other reasonable interpretation. It follows that the contextual implication is that the status quo is one of excessive harm.

Clearly others don't agree with your view that a "reasonable amount of resources" is being spent on the problem at present.

To your hand wringing about abuse of reports, nearly all of the smaller platforms I have participated on have treated that as some form of bannable offense.

Responding to reports doesn't take anywhere near as much effort as you're making out. The situation with the large centralized networks is analogous to a company that keeps cutting its IT budget while management loudly complains that it's simply impossible to get reliable infrastructure in this day and age without spending an excessive amount.

> that's the goal then why not just do it directly and pass a law capping entity size?

Because that's (quite obviously) not the goal. To date smaller venues have very good track records in my personal experience. The idea being floated was that the centralized services that actively manipulate the behavior of large portions of the population either improve theirs or be removed from the market.
by ultimafan | 2025-07-03 00:07:06+00:00
It's not a condemnation of the morals within their belief system, and not a demand that everyone should participate equally in (potential) violence that comes along with protecting a community/country.

Just an observation that at any given point in human history such a philosophy could only survive long enough to be passed generation to generation if its members offloaded the burden of having to make that moral choice onto someone else ie police or military. I don't think such a belief could have ever developed and survived in a vacuum.

Every group of humans with surviving beliefs in known history have had some subgroup of (or been a subgroup of) other humans willing to resort to violence to protect the whole.
by the_snooze | 2025-07-03 00:07:49+00:00
I don't know where that money is going, but from my own experience, research at universities really isn't supported by tuition money. At least in STEM, PhD students are paid for by grants and contracts that their advisors secured from sources like NSF, DARPA, NIH, NSA, etc. Those are the people actually execute the research.

You might want to say tuition should support research, but the reality is that it doesn't.
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by MangoToupe | 2025-07-03 00:08:19+00:00
> I think we all mean bleached, stabilized and enriched flour.

The entire point of this conversation is that the meaning of "processed" is entirely unclear, and I still don't understand what beef you have against bleached, stabilized, and enriched flour.

I'd put any amount of money that whatever your concerns are can be addressed with the aphorism "everything in moderation".
by exiguus | 2025-07-03 00:08:25+00:00
I have so many question.

Let's say a media outlet, like a newspaper, commits to common journalism best practices, such as neutrality. In my opinion, this does not mean avoiding certain words; it means presenting different perspectives on a topic based on evidence.

Besides that, if someone writes an Op-Ed or commentary, the author expresses their personal opinion. How does this work with this AI thingy? Currently it looks like plain censorship, isn't it?

And why should I buy a newspaper that does not represent my political or personal opinion? I thought that was how it worked.
by bko | 2025-07-03 00:08:49+00:00
I think we rely too much on government mandated websites than we do practical common sense that could save lives.

For instance, over 175,000 people die from heat exposure each year across the WHO European Region. Compare that to 1-2k in the US.

In this case, the Don't Look Up scenario is that people don't want to get A/C and governments sometimes make it very hard for them, killing hundreds of thousands because... I don't know why. But at least EU has nice proclamations and accords on the risk of climate change.

https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/01-08-2024-statement--h...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2822854
by int_19h | 2025-07-03 00:10:21+00:00
Anything that increases productivity per person creates a potential for increasing wealth inequality, because the more each person can create, the more can be taken away from them by someone else. Pre-agricultural societies generally tend to be very egalitarian with no clear economic elites, but you start to see the wealthy elite class manifest in those of them where even without agriculture per-person yield is so high (e.g. PNW Salish) that it's possible for a few people to live off the surplus generated by the rest. Agriculture gives a massive boost to yields, and all societies that went down that route quickly lost their original egalitarianism. AI is just another step down the same road.

But note that this is a potential, not an inevitable outcome. This outcome is more likely because there is a positive feedback loop at play here: if you can somehow force people who generate wealth with their labor to surrender part of that wealth to you, you can use those resources to improve your ability to forcibly exploit others (e.g. by hiring more armed goons in a primitive society, or by bribing politicians who pass laws that are ultimately enforced by "public servant" goons in a more advanced society like ours). Simply put, wealth can buy power, and the resulting increase in power disparity can be used to extract more wealth from the people producing it. Thus the natural trend of technological advancement is towards income inequality ... but a society can still go against the current, it just takes a lot more effort on behalf of the citizenry.
by johnisgood | 2025-07-03 00:10:36+00:00
> That code is an example of f(a) being equivalent to a.f(). You can do it the f(a) way if you prefer.

How would it look like with this particular code? Just for comparison.

> The `idup` makes a copy of its argument in memory, and marks the data is immutable.

How is one supposed to know this? Reading the documentation? I really want to look at the code and be able to know straight away what it does, or have a rough idea.
by nyarlathotep_ | 2025-07-03 00:10:58+00:00
I don't think it'll get that bad.

My mostly uninformed worse case estimate is a large portion of these companies become something like the "body shops" (I believe MS has some association with Accenture, so that'd fit) where they maintain a minimal US presence for (mostly) customer facing "sales"/"high touch" positions so they have someone to broker deals and contracts with the (often clueless, IME) F500s, and then outsource all implementation work offshore. Same goes for some large portion of "important" managers.

For the "deep"/important/critical technical work, there will likely be staff retained on-shore, while the "boring" CRUD-type work that comprises some portion of the FANNAGS (whatever) is done overseas.

It's unlikely, say, for Google Search or AWS EC2 or something critical at MS (M365 maybe?) to be totally off-shored, but lesser services/functions are a likely target. (I know this is already happening to some extent at these companies; I've heard from reputable sources there's some large services that were nearly entirely built by staffing firms)

Basically, I think it's two things: we've reached the end of stratospheric growth in "tech" (sorry I just don't see the LLM wave getting there; a million SAAS thingys to "vibe code" a React calorie tracker ain't it), there's a massive surplus from the ZIRP era paired with some sort of obvious recession happening (or that's been going on for a while).

It's also a reset of sorts--look I'm as "pro software" as the next commentator here, but it's pretty absurd to think that there's loads of people making 200K+ to write CRUD stuff. There's just not a "shortage" in any way for any of these skills, as anyone doing a job search can attest.

This type of pay is really only "rational" in the markets where the cost of living has skyrocketed in the manner it has (largely/entirely a function of the "growth" era in SF/Seattle/Austin). It never seemed sustainable, and I suspected there would be some abrupt end when the "learn to code" era really took off.

On a positive note, perhaps those cities would be more affordable, but the in-elasticity of housing prices on the "way down" are always a problem for buyers.
by OkayPhysicist | 2025-07-03 00:11:29+00:00
Even if the company's file server is only available for a fixed period of time, as long as they announce it some fraction of the playerbase will pick it up. Or release it as a torrent, if you really want to cheap out.

If you mean the servers to actually host the self-hosted solution, then "me" is a perfectly reasonable option. Server hosting is far from an insurmountable hobby expense.
by progmetaldev | 2025-07-03 00:11:40+00:00
I believe it's both. We're at a place where legislation hasn't really declared what is and isn't allowed. These scrapers are acting like Googlebot or any other search engine crawler, and trying to find any kind of new content that might be of value to their users.

New data is still being added online daily (probably hourly, if not more often) by humans, and the first ones to gain access could be the "winners," particularly if their users happen to need up to date data (and the service happens to have scraped it). Just like with search engines/crawlers, there's also the big players that may respect your website, but there are also those that don't use rate-limiting or respect robots.txt.
by abe_m | 2025-07-03 00:12:30+00:00
In the US, housing and real estate have been driven up significantly to the benefit of the really rich. Increased rent, and increased house cost for existing structures just ends up lining the pockets of people rich enough to get priority access to new, cheap debt issuance. Inflation benefits those who are closest to the new money creation, while screwing those furthest away. All the while, everything gets more expensive with increasing rents.

I don't know if that is also the case in China.
by popalchemist | 2025-07-03 00:12:47+00:00
I direct you to The Society of the Spectacle, a postmodern marxist critique of capital and its infinite growth, which, due to man's limited resources (free time, life span, etc), inevitably encroaches upon man's ability to pursue such things.

If we do not explicitly carve out a space for the arts and other transcendental pursuits, capitalism eats them. And then the cancer grows.

So it is a moral imperative to make it possible for SOME of us (obviously, not everyone is called to such things) to pursue these things exclusively.
by Bjorkbat | 2025-07-03 00:12:59+00:00
Honestly feels like the whole Soham Parekh thing on Twitter is one giant joke with the one sincere / honest remark being the original from @Suhail.

Like, I can't wrap my head around this many people having some kind of experience with a single guy who's claim to be fame is basically gaming the interview process at an incredible amount of Y Combinator startups.
by apical_dendrite | 2025-07-03 00:13:14+00:00
> How many of those were hired due to diversity programs?

This is an incredibly obnoxious and uninformed comment. NASA does not hire incompetent people because of "diversity".

> The parallel with Hitler really does not apply. The US won't be sending scientists working on nuclear weapons, stealth aircraft or profitable endeavors like GPUs.

Also an uninformed comment. The physicists that came to the US and UK and then worked on weapons programs were not for the most part working on weapons programs in Germany. They were just able to transfer those skills into the Manhattan Project, radar, or other programs.
by triceratops | 2025-07-03 00:13:24+00:00
I define force as force. I don't know anything about "Sean Diddy". I don't see how this person is germane to what we're talking about.

"complain" is not the only option when one objects to "political strings" attached to a donation. There's another option, known as "decline".

Revealed preference tells whether the "political strings" are actually maybe ok or just some haters doing what they do.

Hell, I don't even know what specific "political strings" you're talking about or how they differ from China's "economic" conditions. I'm just taking it on faith they exist, but you might be lying for all I know.
by WillPostForFood | 2025-07-03 00:14:33+00:00
You can see the Microsoft H1B Software Engineer salaries at the HQ in Redmond.

https://h1bdata.info/index.php?em=microsoft&job=software+eng...

What do you think the salary would be for a US employee that those $101k H1B Software Engineers replaced? They obviously aren't saving 90%, but maybe 50% 33%?
by jefftk | 2025-07-03 00:14:41+00:00
> I suggest every developer does the same until the legal position is clarified (in our favour)

There are a lot of people developing open source software with a wide range of goals. In my case, I'm totally happy for LLMs to learn from my coding, just like they've learned from millions of other peoples. I wouldn't want them to duplicate it verbatim, but (due to copyright filters + that not usually being the best way to solve a problem) they don't.
by JKCalhoun | 2025-07-03 00:15:09+00:00
Clearly the one that is going to kill your child is evil and, if you are inclined to believe it, is going to hell and sinning against God.

When you kill that person, you have joined them in also sinning against God — irrespective of what your reason was.

I'm not taking a side here but just pointing out that Quakers have a very clear directive that goes, more or less, thou shalt not kill.

(It's perhaps a bigger surprise that countless other Christian religions have all kinds of addendums that I guess allow for that one.)
by hattmall | 2025-07-03 00:15:22+00:00
I think the difference is definitely that Phenibut enhances cognition. It doesn't just reduce anxiety and at small doses the anxioltyic effect is mild while the cognition boost is noticable. Things like Xanax and Etizolam or Valium don't have the same cognition boost unless someone is suffering from anxiety and even that is often overruled by the sedative properties.

Kraton I couldn't make the same argument and not familiar with tianeptine / gas station scag.
by eddythompson80 | 2025-07-03 00:15:45+00:00
well, in this particular example I think the answer is straightforward: it's just an ad so it doesn't matter.

This is a marketing/sales piece for LexisNexis by their marketing agency as they try to sell AI services to their customers (law firms and other legal professions). It gives them a news article to share with their customers and tell them something like "see, we're taking the AI plunge. You should too. We offer a bunch of legal AI services, lets talk". Now their CEO and sales people can keep saying "I'm sure you've seen the news about Law360. We think AI is finally ready for legal tasks. You know, as an assistant."

In reality, they are probably to run the article, look at what the AI says and shrug and move on.
by bigbuppo | 2025-07-03 00:16:10+00:00
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On the plus side, there was actual useful content on the web, rather than the content-free designs that popped up in the Web 2.0 era.
by drdaeman | 2025-07-03 00:16:48+00:00
I agree, but I believe the intent matters if we’re trying to identify why this happens.

Racism is just less legally dangerous. There would be people posting snuff or CSAM videos, would that “sell”. Make social networks tough on racism and it’ll be sexism next day. Or extremist politics. Or animal abuse. Or, really, anything, as long as people strongly react to it.

But, yeah, to avoid any misunderstanding - I didn’t mean to say racism isn’t an issue. It is racist, it’s bad, I don’t argue any otherwise. All I want to stress is that it’s not the real issue here, merely a particular manifestation.
by nico_san | 2025-07-03 00:16:50+00:00
Hi HN,

I'm an economics student and built a simple Python script that scrapes headlines from Yahoo Finance. It collects the title, timestamp, and article URL for each piece of news and saves everything to a CSV file.

It uses requests and BeautifulSoup, and is intended as a lightweight way to monitor financial news without relying on APIs.

This is my first public scraping project, and I’m looking for honest feedback: - What do you think of the code structure? - How could this be made more useful? - Would you recommend packaging it differently or turning it into a web app?

Open to ideas, suggestions, and improvements.

GitHub: https://github.com/NIck32Fast/yahoo-news-scraper
by magicalhippo | 2025-07-03 00:17:01+00:00
The gov't here in Norway put $10 million on the table[1] for 2026 as a response to what's going on in the US. Due to reasons they can't direct it solely at US researchers, but the intent is there:

The minister has followed the recent developments in the United States closely:

"Academic freedom is under pressure in the United States, and it is an unpredictable situation for many researchers in what has been the world's leading research nation for many decades. We have had close dialogue with the Norwegian knowledge communities and my Nordic colleagues about the development. It has been important for me to find good measures that we can put in place quickly, and therefore I have asked the Research Council to prioritize grant funding schemes that we can implement rapidly," says Aasland.

The program is meant to last years, we'll see how it goes.

Now I know, $10m ain't much in the grand scheme of things, but we're just 5 million folks over here.

[1]: https://www.forskningsradet.no/en/news/2025/100-million-nok-...
by ultimafan | 2025-07-03 00:17:09+00:00
>There are nonlethal ways of defending oneself or others, too, btw. Learn martial arts, knock them out, use a taser if you have too, then grab your kid and run. None of that requires shooting them.

Agree with the general sentiments of your post. A lot of pro self-defense talks online read like thinly veiled "bad ass" fan fiction where someone salivates over the idea of killing someone in a legal manner that they face no consequences for.

But I don't think this last part is very realistic and possibly even very dangerous. Martial arts aren't anywhere near as effective as people make them out to be if you are not highly trained and essentially useless if the other person is armed even with a knife. They are better for training confidence/athleticism than self-defense. Tasers are frequently shrugged off by aggressors (no shortage of videos online showing this) and if you miss you just escalated the situation with no other way out. A gun is really the only thing that puts even the weakest victim on par with the strongest aggressor. But situational awareness for where you are and who is around you is 100x more important.
by the_snooze | 2025-07-03 00:17:46+00:00
It's also a very shortsighted view. R&D isn't just a bunch of eggheads grinding out a cleary-defined end like, say, nuclear weapons and making it happen. It's thousands of unseen shots on goal, most of which miss, but you get a handful of high-leverage innovations out of it.

What this pullback in US scientific funding does is reduce the number of those shots on goal. It undoes what the US prioritized from World War II onwards: that scientific innovation is foremost a strategic asset, not strictly a moneymaking venture. You saw that on display with the recent B-2 sorties over Iran: those could not have happened if not for highly specialized researchers slowly contributing to that body of work over decades.
by jefftk | 2025-07-03 00:17:50+00:00
Weather training on code is fair use is still an open legal question, and it may well be fair use. The way a license works is by saying "you have my permission to use this code as long as you follow these conditions", but if no license is required than the conditions are irrelevant.

There is an active case on this, where Microsoft has been sued over GitHub copilot, and it has been slowly moving through the court system since 2022. Most of the claims have been dismissed, and the prediction market is at 11%: https://manifold.markets/JeffKaufman/will-the-github-copilot...
by stonogo | 2025-07-03 00:17:56+00:00
Which is happening: See https://www.science.org.au/news-and-events/news-and-media-re... and https://www.univ-amu.fr/en/public/actualites/safe-place-scie... for current examples.

But other countries don't need to increase funding to become competitive, since we are decreasing funding. All they have to do is nothing.