by teleforce | 2025-07-01 03:35:20+00:00
>> I'm not anti-immigration as you accused me of, far from it

> Nope. I asked if you would be as judgemental towards any other ethnic group.

The following is your own statement that accusing me of anti-immigrant but you later denying this very fact.

> It seems that you accept hate toward immigrants...

For the record I don't accept hate toward immigrants because if that the case I'd be anti-immigrants and anti-immigration, but I'm against emigration en mass into one particular region especially if the immigrants are mainly from a single race ethnicity as happened and still happening in Israel displacing the native population.

Do you know and realize that despite Palestinian population is very much less than the Israel population, but consistently every year there are more Palestinians were killed by the conflict than the Israel citizens that were killed every year because of the conflict?

In addition to that, despite the the claim of Israel govt of only specifically targeting Hamas fighters, every time there is fresh conflict it always the news agency building are being targetted first in early stage of the conflict, and killing many journalists in the building. Do you not know that killing the journalists and messengers are the hallmark of a tyrant? Apparently Jews are well known of killing many of their very own messengers and prophets including the infamous prophet John incident.

On top of that during most Israel - Palestinian conflicts the majority of the killed casualties (not to include the injured Palestinians) are mostly Palestinian women and children. These cruel and inhuman activities are apartheid in nature and is borderline genocide. That's why in my first reply to you in this thread is that why you're very much adamant in backing the Israel govt in justifying their inhuman actions.

I think you and the the Jewish people in Israel are trying to play victims here. Jewish people throughout history are also known to be the oppressors when they're in authority, and for example one of them is well documented. Reportedly the Jewish king Dhu Nuwas in Yemen was oppressing against the Christians before the advent of Islam, the incident happened near Najran, near the modern Saudi and Yemen border [1]. This story is well documented in Roman/Byzantine chronicles and even recorded in the Quran inside the Surah Al-Buruj [2]. Perhaps your wife can share this true story to you since she's originally from Yemen. My point is that Jews should not acting innocent because history has proven that they are as capable as other people to perform hideous oppression, tyranny and genocide. In fact in the Quran (in addition to Dhu Nuwas incident), the Jewish people was specifically mentioned to be the oppressors of two incidents before being crushed twice by other empires as direct punishments from God [3].

>The moderates are a huge majority here and just want peace/compromise.

As a fellow human being, my personal advice for you is that you should migrate to somewhere else with your family for not being caught in the crossfire. Since you're not religious Jews, I've bad news for you because the trend is that the Israel Jewish population are becoming more and more Orthodox everyday. This fact has been prophesized in reputable (sahih) Islamic traditions and based on the latest documentaries that I watched on Israel, this is also the case.

I'll not continue this thread anymore since I think I've mentioned and conveyed my points on the matter as an outsider. But you as insider of the conflict you know better than me to make the correct and wise decisions regarding the situations. I sincerely hope the best for you and family, as human we only live temporarily in this world and might as well get the best version of it. For religious people, they even have these extra realization and consciousness that if they committed any good or bad things in this world based on their own free will, they'll be rewarded in fairness accordingly both in this world and hereafter.

[1] Dhu Nuwas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhu_Nuwas

[2] Surah Al-Buruj (85):

https://quran.com/al-buruj

[3] Quran, Surah Al-Isra (17), verses 4 - 8:

https://quran.com/al-isra/4-8

17 - 4: And We warned the Children of Israel in the Scripture, “You will certainly cause corruption in the land twice, and you will become extremely arrogant."

17 - 5: When the first of the two warnings would come to pass, We would send against you some of Our servants of great might, who would ravage your homes. This would be a warning fulfilled.

17 - 6: Then (after your repentance) We would give you the upper hand over them and aid you with wealth and offspring, causing you to outnumber them.

17 - 7: If you act rightly, it is for your own good, but if you do wrong, it is to your own loss. And when the second warning would come to pass, your enemies would (be left to) totally disgrace you and enter that place of worship as they entered it the first time, and utterly destroy whatever would fall into their hands.

17 - 8: Perhaps your Lord will have mercy on you (if you repent), but if you return (to sin), We will return (to punishment). And We have made Hell a (permanent) confinement for the disbelievers.