MurphyA/hacker-news huggingface dataset:
by mistrial9 | 2025-06-20 19:45:22+00:00
> could never articulate a reason for why their two 2U servers needed to be in AWS at ~3x the price

specifically, to dis-empower you and others in your guilds ? AWS will turn on and turn off with no labor negotiations, at a known market price. Admins and devs are competition to the decision makers and an unknown entity, asking market prices or more. This is predictable and it is playing out now.
by Spooky23 | 2025-06-20 19:45:27+00:00
HN likes to equate all environmental issues with carbon. It’s one dimension but not the sole dimension. Bags were a huge litter, wildlife and quality of life issue.

My wife was a finance commissioner for a water utility. Guess what the most common clogger of storm drains was? Shopping bags. They did hundreds of service calls annually doing service that ranged from fishing them out to using a hydro-jet to clear a pipe.

Within 18 months of the bag fee, those calls dropped 60%. That’s easily $800k in wasted labor and dollars in this small city.
by WalterBright | 2025-06-20 19:45:32+00:00
All attempts at communism failed. Did you know that there have historically been 20,000 communes founded in the US? I wonder what happened to them!

I never said American free markets were perfect. They certainly aren't. But they are very successful.

> responding to your comments is like talking to a brick wall

I could say the same of the people I respond to! I don't expect to change anyone's mind here. The average stay at a commune is about 2 years, after which the members leave, cured of the notion that communism is better. I encourage you to join one.
by krupan | 2025-06-20 19:45:33+00:00
Passwords are a shared secret. You know it, and the website you are logging into knows it. If the website leaks it, someone else can log in as you.

Passkeys are a private key/public key pair. You give the public key to a website, but you don't share the private key with anyone. To log into the website, you encrypt a short message with the private key, and they can use the public key to decrypt it. If they leak the public key, it doesn't matter. Nobody can use it to log into the website. Only the private key can do that.

Also, there is a standard way of logging into a website with a passkey. The password manager can easily do it on every website. With passwords, every website is a little different. Your password manager can log in easily on some websites, and on others it can't and you need to copy and paste your password from the password manager to the website.

Besides being inconvenient, people have been able to write code that tricks password managers into thinking they are sending your password to the correct website when they are actually sending it to bad guys. Similarly, humans can be tricked into copying and pasting the password to the wrong place, giving it to bad guys. That leaks the important shared secret!

If someone tricks your password manager in a similar manner with passkeys (which is much more difficult because of the standard way password managers and websites communicate), all they get is a message encrypted with your private key. Maybe this could be used to log onto a website one time if they are very clever, but they do not get your private key which could be used to impersonate you many many times like a leaked password would.
by kragen | 2025-06-20 19:45:33+00:00
Open source, like private property, markets, science, and Satoshi consensus, enables people to benefit from the work of others that they don't have a means of coordinating with—for example, because they're dead, or they don't trust you, or they're hard to get along with. If you already have a way of coming to terms with somebody, you don't need open source. Different engineers inside Google can benefit from each other's work without making it open source because they're coordinated by Google's management. It's people who aren't coordinating with Google who benefit from them making it open source.
by blooalien | 2025-06-20 19:45:51+00:00
I find Marimo best for when you're trying to build something "app-like"; an interactive tool to perform a specific task. I find Jupyter lab more appropriate for random experimentation and exploration, and documenting your learnings. Each absolutely has it's place in the toolbox, and does it's thing well, but for me at least, there's not much overlap between the two other than the cell-based notebook-like similarity. That similarity works well for me when migrating from exploration mode to app design mode. The familiar interface makes it easy for me to take ideas from Jupyter into Marimo to build out a proper application.
by Aurornis | 2025-06-20 19:47:28+00:00
> But what about the labor class being the owning class? What if Amazon was owned by the people who work at Amazon? Instead of Bezos?

I wonder how many people who repeat things like this know that Bezos owns less than 10% of Amazon. About 2/3rds of Amazon is owned by institutional investors, much of which is in turn owned by individuals in their 401ks and other retirement plans. So "the people" own more of Amazon than Jeff Bezos already.

If you're implying that the government should confiscate Jeff Bezos' personal ownership stake in the business he created and redistribute it to other people, that's a very different topic. It's in the realm of fantasy, not reality, so I don't consider it very interesting. At minimum, it should be noted that if the government gets into the business of confiscating shares from people, the value of those shares will plummet as investors move their money into safer investments, so it wouldn't be a simple numerical wealth transfer from Bezos to others.

Regardless, there's nothing stopping people from getting together and starting an employee-owned collective company that enters the market. They can compete in the market and try to hire away talent from the other corporations.
by 9rx | 2025-06-20 19:47:51+00:00
> people living in the big city and considering themselves poor are usually way richer

There are always outliers, but it is unlikely that there is really anyone more poor than students subsisting on student debt. Those in other financial hardship situations aren't usually granted ability to go so far into the red. Schools in rural areas aren't entirely unheard of, but rare. The vast majority of these people are going to be found in cities. And these people tend to be left-leaning.

> It's largely a matter of perception.

Quite true. Those students usually don't think of themselves as being poor. There is probably something to be said about city folk in general seeing themselves as being much better off than they actually are (cities are known to offer hope and optimism), and thus align with the "well off" leanings even when they aren't. Whereas the poor in rural areas know that they are poor, so they have no illusions about aligning with the leanings that caters to the poor.

> in terms of yearly earnings

I've studied the income data pretty closely and the median income is quite often significantly lower in cities. Granted, this may be because of the aforementioned students occupying the population with little-to-no-income, but either way that doesn't really hold in the general case. There are definitely specific rural areas that are exceptionally hard up, but not as a rule. More often, cities are places of extremes – where you find exceptionally rich people, and exceptionally poor people, while in rural areas people fall into being much more equal.

Which makes sense. That's what cities are for: To be able to concentrate capital so that a few winners can take all. Something that is generally not possible in rural areas where the capital is necessarily spread out (becoming less true with the rise of information capital, but historically so at least).
by krupan | 2025-06-20 19:48:05+00:00
Services manage to "block" my password manager all the time by confusing it to the point where I have to copy and paste my password manually. It's a huge security risk (because where am I actually pasting this password?), and super frustrating.

EDIT: I'm not saying that the passkey situation is great, but it's not worse than passwords. It has so many benefits over passwords that we should absolutely not let perfection be the enemy of good enough!
by Manuel_D | 2025-06-20 19:48:18+00:00
2) I asked about waste buried in the ground, not in transit.

3) if a waste barrel explodes, somehow, underground how does the waste make it's way through a mile of bedrock?

4) Again, how does a fire bring the wast up through a mile of bedrock?

5) This is just a vague statement.

6) So the concern is that future society will forget that this is a waste site, mine a mile deep and retrieve waste, and never figure out that the waste is bad for them? This is rather specific hypothetical that IMO demonstrates just how hard it is for a nuclear waste site to result in contamination.
by AtlasBarfed | 2025-06-20 19:48:40+00:00
The tool is the final key for a omnipresent full time monitoring and control.

Everywhere you move. Everything you say, everything you buy.

They've had the monitoring technology for decades. The problem was the fire hose.

There is no problem with the fire hose anymore.

If this doesn't scare the s** out of you, then you're ignorant.

Maybe if we had a well-functioning government I would hold out some degree of hope. But our Democratic institutions are already in shambles from facebook.

All previous technologies basically enhanced the talent and intelligence. Yes AI can do that, but the difference this time is it replaces intelligence on a huge scale

The role of the intelligensia, to borrow an old term, arguably has pushed idealistic progress on society with its monopoly on competence.

That Monopoly on competence generally came with it. The essential counterbalance to centralized authority and power along with idealism and philosophically derived morality and righteousness.

Ai is the end of the monopoly of competence for almost all the hacker news crowd.

North Korea is the future with AI.
by bilbo0s | 2025-06-20 19:48:52+00:00
Even the AI experts are the usual suspects.

The techies making money are the AI experts. The real AI experts. Not the TF/PyTorch monkeys.

There's actually a massive and underappreciated difference between the two groups of people. It goes to the heart of why so many AI efforts in industry fail, but AI Labs keep making more and more advances. Out in industry, we mistake Tensor Flow monkeys for AI experts. And it's not even close.

Worse, you look at market price to get some of the real AI experts, and you realize that you have no shot at securing any of that intellectual capital. And even if you have the resources to secure some of that talent, that talent has requirements. They're fools if they consider you at less than 10^4 H100s. So now you have another problem.

I think techniques, R&D, secrets, intellectual capital, and so on are all centralizing in the major labs. Startups as we knew them 5 to 10 years ago will simply be choosing which model to build on. They have no legitimate shot at displacing any of the core LLM ecosystems. They'll all be nibbling at the edges.
by ethersteeds | 2025-06-20 19:49:00+00:00
You seem to assume that the risk begins and ends with government persecution/prosecution.

I'm not the gp, but for me, there are several bigger concerns:

First, the possibility that access could be leveraged for intelligence gathering or industrial espionage. The goal might be geopolitics, but I still don't want my data to be fodder nor do I want to explain to my employer that I'm responsible for their breach.

Second, the possibility of becoming collateral damage during an escalation of hostilities between my country and China. If I've grown dependent a device, I face significant disruption if they block cloud services or even outright remotely brick it. The war in Ukraine demonstrated this isn't limited to the other country's exports, but they're still at the greatest risk.

So yeah, a company snitching on me to big brother I live under is just one threat I have to consider when giving access to all my data.
by const_cast | 2025-06-20 19:49:08+00:00
But it's not double dipping, because the cost of infrastructure for motor vehicles is absurdly high - higher than even a lot of public transportation. Because individual vehicles are horribly inefficient, and require significantly more space per capita. Roads are not free, congestion is not free, pollution is not free. You're used to being subsidized, so when you're not it may seem unfair. But it's not.
by sjsdaiuasgdia | 2025-06-20 19:49:18+00:00
> people only choose to forgo them when the city makes them too expensive or difficult to keep and use

I have friends who chose to move into cities and sold their cars in the process. The pros of the cities outweighed the pros of car ownership for them. They also don't have to spend money on car maintenance, insurance, or gas. They can move around the city fine with public transit and ride sharing. They rent cars to make long trips.

Absolute statements rarely are absolute, particularly when the motivations and preferences of individuals are in the mix.
by stego-tech | 2025-06-20 19:50:01+00:00
Virtual networks (dn42, tor, etc) or Virtual Private Networks (Tailscale, Wireguard) would be my knee-jerk recommendation. Adding a core abstraction at the network layer immediately fouls up all but the most diligently-coded AI bots out there, as does an abstraction at the Transport layer that's different from the traditional internet. In the short-term, I expect more humans to retreat into these sorts of enclaves as scrapers and AI slop make the public internet untenable to use.

In the long run...I couldn't tell you. This feels like the sort of schism Cyberpunk stories are made of, when a utopia of data sharing is perverted into a swamp of automated bots and agents, blindly following obsolete programming and untethered from the controls of their creators, harming whatever infrastructure is connected to the public internet without adequate security. I'd like to think smarter people than myself (shoutout to Xe Iaso for Anubis) will create tools to protect humans and our online presence from the bots, but I'm not super hopeful of their success in the face of present profit-motives for AI Companies to defeat them.

Perhaps the answer is to simply devalue the internet as an entity, and thereby destroy incentive to scrape or pollute it at such a scale. Maybe it's yanking services offline and putting them back in the real world, or privacy laws and insurance companies making data hoarding untenable and unaffordable for companies to engage in. Maybe it's identity validation at the point of connectivity, verifying smart cards or identification before you're allowed online (incredibly dystopian and the stuff of Pal*ntir's wet dreams).

I honestly couldn't tell you right now what the long game looks like. Only to find your humans, build your digital fortresses, and help each other as best you can.
by crazygringo | 2025-06-20 19:51:18+00:00
> is reason enough to completely avoid them.

Right, then avoid them. Either don't use YouTube, or else pay for Premium so you don't see them.

You claim people are hostile to watching YouTube's ads because of their quality. But I don't think so -- I think they're mostly seeing normal ads, not scammy ones. Because they're not taking measures against tracking. Your experience would seem to be very much an outlier.

I simply don't see the ads you're talking about, not even a little bit, so I can't really speak to YouTube's acceptable ads policies. But just so you know -- you can also mark checkboxes in your Google profile around which categories of ads you are and aren't interested in. I actually did that, and got less ads for categories I have zero interest in. That may help your ads experience, and make your ad quality complaints go away, if you're philosophically OK with that, since you're providing data freely rather than through tracking.
by MontyCarloHall | 2025-06-20 19:51:36+00:00
I understand the appeal of array languages — they provide very convenient shortcuts to common loop constructs in traditional imperative scalar languages. Their usefulness is manifest in the popularity of NumPy (and its derivatives, e.g. TensorFlow, PyTorch, JAX, etc.), MATLAB, Julia, R, and other Iverson Ghosts [0]. The rise of map/reduce/filter operations in common scalar programming languages is also testament to array languages' usefulness.

I understand (though do not personally agree with) the appeal of extreme terseness — there are arguments to be made that maximizing information density minimizes context switching, since it reduces the amount of scrolling. Personally, I find that large displays and split buffers mitigate this issue, whereas the mental overhead of using my short-term memory to map dozens of single letter variables to semantic definitions is much higher than having to flip between splits/marks in my text editor. (The fact that the aforementioned Iverson Ghost languages are popular whereas APL and its derivatives are not is evidence that I'm aligned with most people in this regard.)

I don't understand why people rarely make the terseness argument for non-array languages, even though it's just as easy to write tersely in them — the Obfuscated C Competition is a prime example [1]. Is it just due to the influence of APL, or is there something special about array languages that gives them a unique proclivity for terseness?

[0] https://dev.to/bakerjd99/numpy-another-iverson-ghost-9mc

[1] https://www.ioccc.org, https://github.com/ioccc-src/winner/blob/master/2020/ferguso...
by otterley | 2025-06-20 19:52:11+00:00
> Of course you're now maintaining the equivalent of github, circleci, S3, ....

On this we agree. That's a nontrivial amount of undifferentiated heavy lifting--and none is a core feature of K8S. You are absolutely right that you can use K8S CRDs to use K8S as the control plane and reduce the number of idioms you have to think about, but the dirty details are in the data plane.
by stego-tech | 2025-06-20 19:53:23+00:00
I mean, I know all that now; it's what kicked off my descent into the politics and ideologies I hold near and dear to me now, and revitalized my interest in technology as a means of helping humans instead of amplifying Capital.

My point was, financially and logically, it made (makes) no sense. It's penny-wise and pound foolish, given how (relatively) inexpensive a VMware, Xen, or Hyper-V admin is nowadays compared to anyone with AWS, Azure, or GCP credentials.
by why218 | 2025-06-20 19:53:47+00:00
I think there is literally nothing I could say that would change your mind. You've already decided what you think. There are a number of benefits but none that I could write out and have you someone who is uninterested immediately take my word for it and go home a fan. But I'll try to answer your (probably rhetorical) direct question. "How does the programming language limit your ability or speed of thinking". Again tell me how it is you do difficult math? Do you write out english or do you work with notation that makes it easier to feel and calculate your way through a problem. if you wanted to write a program in a new domain do you honestly think you would come to the same level of understanding of the topic at the same speed if you use assembly vs python. Yes the hard work is knowing what to implement; arrays languages help its users know what to implement. Ultimately, these are all just claims I can't prove to you what experiences you will or wont have if you learn the languages. You wont just believe and you shouldn't just believe me. If you are interested, learn more and try it out! (theres the apl and k wikis, a discord called the aplfarm a podcast called the arraycast etc.) If not just write array languages off and move on.
by const_cast | 2025-06-20 19:53:49+00:00
> These new moneys coming in will not buy one new subway car

I think it is literally being used to buy hundreds of new subway cars as we speak.

Y'all can't just make things up and say whatever you want. I get it, I get it, public sector evil. Unfortunately that's not an argument. Yes, you're going to actually have to try instead of being intellectually dishonest.
by sunrunner | 2025-06-20 19:54:17+00:00
> an abundance of egotistical, dogmatic god complexes around to make the experience insufferable enough already.

And you can find a curated list of these people on r/LinkedInLunatics, though I'm not sure the curation is necessary as it seems like pretty much the _entirety_ of LinkedIn posts are the kind that make you question whether the poster is human.

There's marketing and building a personal brand, and then there's whatever the heck LinkedIn in 2025 is...
by SoftTalker | 2025-06-20 19:54:24+00:00
Yes exactly. In the past we had privacy/anonymity in public because it simply wasn't feasible to follow everyone, everywhere, all the time. The technology did not exist, and while you could follow selected individuals around, that quickly broke down at numbers greater than "a few." Some regimes did it more than others (the old DDR/Stasi for example) but even they could only keep a close eye on targeted individuals, places, and events.

Now we have cameras on every major road and intersection, most places of business, most transportation facilities, and most public gathering places. We have facial recognition and license plate readers, and cheap storage that is easily searched and correlated. Almost all communications are logged if not recorded. Even the postal service is now imaging the outside of every envelope.

All because it's cheaper and easier.
by Spooky23 | 2025-06-20 19:55:30+00:00
The Jersey thing isn’t the issue. Car commuters still commute. Most of the traffic volume are whiny Long Islanders who’d rather cut through Manhattan than navigate the belt parkway and bridges to New Jersey. Also poorly served Queens and Brooklyn residents — I grew up in Queens… my dads public transit time to Lower Manhattan or my mom’s time to Manhattan hospitals was about 2 hours — similar to taking Metro North from Dutchess county or LIRR.

The downside of this stuff that we don’t have data on is how it affects big employers who benefit from car transit and benefit the city as a whole? How many patients are going to avoid NYU, Cornell or MSK in favor of a satellite site not in the city proper, for example?

NYC chased most of the big industries away already in my lifetime, I wonder if this will impact commercial business in the city in the long run.
by 999900000999 | 2025-06-20 19:55:30+00:00
A lot of lower income people might only have a cheap android phone.

It's more than enough to handle paying bills, applying for jobs, etc. Hell, a Bluetooth keyboard and a bit of grit + GitHub CodeSpaces and you can write develop applications.

You can also cast your screen to a TV or on a handful of phones use USB c to HDMI.
by michaelmrose | 2025-06-20 19:56:19+00:00
So if you have a printer with a diver that works on windows 11 in an in use configuration window should basically tell you to spend potentially hundreds of dollars replacing working hardware that may have years of use it in for your own good.

Refusing to do work to say make a xp era printer work in Windows 11 is perfectly comprehensible you aren't owed that labor and even support from a vendor is finite in duration but actively disabling working hardware when the vendor has already done the work feels more like vandalism.
by jrm4 | 2025-06-20 19:56:20+00:00
Oh, I'm aware that they're not the same. I suppose I'm thinking more like a "real-life lawyer."

At this stage, you can't just declare "infringing or not," thats the point of trials.

What I'm saying is -- you make good points -- but I like my chances in front of a jury with my explanation against yours.
by eddythompson80 | 2025-06-20 19:56:23+00:00
Lol, I get the outrage bait. nerds.xyz, go get that bag dude.

Though like... they are reviewing their driver store and notifying hardware partners who publish and maintain drivers in their repository to re-visit and/or resubmit their drivers in an attempt to clean up old stuff. I'm super mad at stuff....