MurphyA/hacker-news huggingface dataset:
by p_l | 2025-06-28 10:16:14+00:00
I worked on a project where one of the services was a model that decided whether to pay a medical bill.

Before you start justified screams of horror, let me explain the simple honesty trick that ensured proper ethics, though I guess at cost of profit unacceptable to some corporations:

The model could only decide between auto approving a repayment, or refer the bill to existing human staff. The entire idea was that the obvious cases will be auto approved, and anything more complex would follow the existing practice.
by rcxdude | 2025-06-28 10:16:22+00:00
>Mr Saleh’s evidence was that 35 of the 100 posts did not load when he attempted the test.

>He also took issue with the fact that the test was based on TikTok’s rules for the English-language market, which were different to the rules for the Middle East and North Africa where he had primarily worked.

If you're going to do a test, you should probably make sure it works and that it's relevant.
by mcapodici | 2025-06-28 10:16:58+00:00
I agree with the ideas at a high level, but not sure if we can tag people as “Junior” and “Senior” and make these broad strokes about how they think.

We should think of it in terms of “Theory Builders” and “Just get it done-ers”, and think of them as states of mind, rather than a character trait, or something linked to years of experience.

You may have a theory builder straight out of university (after all many go on to do a PhD straight away!), or a theory builder who has the mindset and just came in from a different profession. Or an 8 year old theory builder! You may have someone with 10 years experience writing code who still slings code.

You may also have one person who was a Theory Builder on Monday, and became a "Get it done-er" by Friday due to a deadline.
by fivestones | 2025-06-28 10:20:14+00:00
Are you really planning to not allow photos? I understand your reasoning for why this works in places a group chat wouldn’t, and I have group chats that I wish could do what your site does (share things to all my friends but we don’t all have to have all the same friends). But something I really appreciate about some of those group chats, especially smaller ones like a group of three, are the photos that friends post. Usually it’s not low effort, it’s real photos of their real lives. I like what you are doing a lot but the ability to post my photos to show to friends seems like a must for me.
by Aeolun | 2025-06-28 10:20:37+00:00
So Nvidia stock is going to crash hard when the Chinese inevitably produce their own competitive chip. Though I’m baffled by the fact they don’t just license and pump out billions of AMD chips. Nvidia is ahead, but not that far ahead.

My consumer AMD card (7900 XTX) outperforms the 15x more expensive Nvidia server chip (L40S) that I was using.
by sigmoid10 | 2025-06-28 10:21:16+00:00
This shows total disregard for the reality of the workplace. You can't shove 30,000 linux PCs onto boomer government workers and expect things to work like magic. It was a catastrophe. Especially since they no longer had the same level of tech support. The majority of them weren't even fully onboarded by the time they switched back to Windows.
by DanielVZ | 2025-06-28 10:21:20+00:00
I don’t see political dissidents being killed left and right in my western country. I don’t see minorities being arrested and killed just for being different in my country. I don’t see blatant forced labor being the norm in my country. We do have dark moments in our history, and we do have our own issues at home (not the US btw), but it’s nowhere near what’s happening in Saudi Arabia so don’t try to play to tie (“jugar al empate” as we say here).
by KronisLV | 2025-06-28 10:22:08+00:00
I recently ended up having a multiple hour long conversation with a friend of mine about the potential impact of LLMs and similar tools, which I then made into a blog post: https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/ai-artisans-and-brainrot

Basically, if you use agentic tools (not just to look things up or get surface level answers, but write your code for you), then it's quite likely that your brain no longer does as much heavy lifting as it would have before, nor does anything you do to solve the issues you're working with have much staying power.

Over time, this will decrease our cognitive capabilities in regards to specific things, very much how the same has largely happened with language syntax knowledge thanks to various IDEs and language servers, auto-complete and so on, you no longer need to memorize as much, so you don't.

While outsourcing some of that doesn't seem too bad, it's hard to tell what will happen to our critical thinking skills in the long term, since we're not just getting rid of some technical implementation details, but making the tool do a lot of thinking for us. All while screwing over those who don't use these tools, because they have to deal with the full friction of solving the problems.
by rcxdude | 2025-06-28 10:22:34+00:00
> As far as I can tell, it's Bell's Theorem which shows that results we see can't be the result of hidden variables

Strictly speaking, it can't be the result of local hidden variables under the assumption that you can make decisions in the detector that are independent of the experiment that you're doing. Usually those who argue for something like hidden variables try to find wriggle room in the latter part (that these decisions are somehow inherently correlated with what's being measured). But this is also deeply weird, because you could base these decisions in principle on information that has not had a causal relationship with the experiment since the start of the universe. (this idea is called superdeterminism)
by b0a04gl | 2025-06-28 10:23:29+00:00
no way this delay's about gpus lol. deepseek prob has r2 cooked already. r1‑0528 already pumped expectations too high. if r2 lands flat ppl start doubting.

or

who knows maybe they just chillin watching how west labs burn gpu money, let eval metas shift. then drop r2 when oai/claude trust graph dips a bit
by throwaway290 | 2025-06-28 10:25:24+00:00
As Russian I only recently started to understand that russian government was at wars for a lot of its existence from USSR times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#.... Many invasions and wars in places Russia should have no business in. Most of them not publicized in the country. Unlike US it was not spreading liberal values of individual freedom and against violent dictatorships, actually maybe the other way around
by gchamonlive | 2025-06-28 10:26:08+00:00
LLMs by themselves are pretty useless, it's only during inference where they produce potentially valuable output. So the analysis of causality isn't just exclusive to the LLM, but the combination of the model and prompt.

So there is some cause and influence by the models biases, or its essence if you must, but the prompt takes an important role too. I believe it's important for companies to figure this out, but for me personally I'm not interested at all in this balance.

What I'm interested in is how I can use these models as an extension of myself. And I'm also interested in showing people around me how they could do the same.
by TheOtherHobbes | 2025-06-28 10:26:37+00:00
What will ignoring climate change actually accomplish?

There is "Not my problem" here, because one or way another it will be your problem within ten years, maybe five.

And for some people here and reading this, within a few months.

Your choices about what to work now on affect your future, in a very direct, literal, potentially fatal way.

That's the point.
by thrance | 2025-06-28 10:28:44+00:00
I subscribe to the idea that those "Great Persons" are shaped by the environment they grow in, and allowed to do what they do by the will of the "zeitgeist", for a lack of a better word.

If not for Napoleon, someone else like him would have done what he did. Perhaps slightly differently, but overall history would have followed a similar path. Post-Revolution France was eager to defend against and defeat the monarchies that surrounded and threatened it. The General was only allowed to rise so high because there was a want to militarize the country.
by Davidzheng | 2025-06-28 10:30:28+00:00
US will intervene militarily to stop China from taking control of TSMC if Taiwan isn't pressured by US to destroy the plants themselves, so I don't think taking Taiwan is a viable path to leading in silica only lowering US ability but given the current gap in GPUs it's not clear how helpful this is to China. So all in all I don't think China views taking Taiwan as beneficial in the AI race at all.
by sthkr | 2025-06-28 10:30:30+00:00
The last thing anyone needs advice about human rights is from the west. The invasions and mass murders in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iran, Libya. Still remember that pr*ck Colin Powell showing that vial to justify that invasion of Iraq. The world's worst murderers have been the British, Dutch, Belgian, French, Spanish and American empires throughout history. The worst genocide in history was committed by Belgium in Congo where they killed millions.

Lol no one gets their head cut off for gay sex or wrong religion. Capital punishment is only for murder, terrorism, rape and drug smugglers. The Saudi Government is quite liberal there. It's your own Saudi families that will ostracize you based on their own decisions.

You keep talking about dissidents. I still remember Obama and his Arab spring and how thousands died because of him. The west like to implant people to create internal conflicts inside countries. It's not going to work in the Gulf countries as all the citizens know how the Americans thrive on instigating conflict. That journalist just wanted to create anarchy. I still remember the terrorist attacks at my American school and other cities in Saudi Arabia during 2004 - 2005. I trust the police and government to eradicate all the extremist and outside threats to the country and keep everyone safe. They've basically cleaned out all the extremism in these past 20 years from the country. The Americans also enjoyed keeping the Saudis and Iranians fighting until the Chinese stepped in and created peace between these two countries.

Americans need to worry about their own backyard with their crap healthcare, poverty, homelessness, illegals, gun violence etc. Saudi Arabia isn't perfect, but Saudi citizens have to pay no income taxes, get free universal healthcare, free education, free university education, all government paid scholarships for universities abroad (tuition, travel & living), first priority in all jobs, social security support for low income citizens, interest free mortgages, etc. Plus Saudi Arabia long with the other Gulf countries like UAE & Qatar are some of the safest countries. All illegals arrested and deported every month, low crime rates, no African/Asian Refugee illegal drunk junkies roaming the streets (like Europe/America), no homeless tents, no gun violence etc.

The Gulf countries along with Japan, South Korea, Singapore and China know how to keep their countries safe, clean and well. Look at Europe & Scandinavia now with all the illegals running around.
by meindnoch | 2025-06-28 10:30:46+00:00
Mostly, yes.

Christians were persecuted by the Roman Empire, then became conquerors of the world.

Russians were oppressed by the Mongols, then became conquerors of Eurasia.

Communists were oppressed by Tsarists, then became ruthless oppressors themselves.

Protestants were oppressed in Europe, so they set sail to America and became oppressors of the natives.
by warpspin | 2025-06-28 10:32:10+00:00
> Luhmann is still one of the most cited, grappled-with and thought-about sociologist across a number of disciplines.

Unfortunately (though I think this is a regional thing also - Luhmann's still pretty strong in Europe, especially in Germany where "systems theory" has become synonymous with Luhmann's systems theory, but not so much in the USA, I think).

One of the problems with Luhmann stems directly from his Zettelkasten: His tendency to tear citations out of their original contexts and name drop witnesses for his own point of views where the original text did not support his view at all.

You can see the system at work actually: He truly made a lot of stuff his own in ways never intended by the original authors - boon and bane at same time.
by gchamonlive | 2025-06-28 10:32:18+00:00
That's an interesting point. I have to admit I haven't taken a look at the examples. So you say there is a problem of proportion? You put relatively little effort and get a lot of garbage out?

In any case, this might be interesting for companies making tons of money, but for us general public I think it's much more important to talk about education.
by kunley | 2025-06-28 10:32:45+00:00
That's fair. My reply was in a hurry. I should have said, "there's syncthing, but I like this&that about your project", for which I didn't have time. So, the old saying, better to stay silent than to say something that isn't very useful.

As for the Show HN rules, I've been here for so long, gues from the very beginning, that I forgot about these separate rules or missed when they were added; anyway, fair to point to them.
by tialaramex | 2025-06-28 10:34:10+00:00
I have actually been a proponent for Rust as First Language at the university I work for. However today our first year CS students are taught Python as their First Language, with I believe an option to learn Rust among others much later.

The two most important/ prestigious universities here, Oxford and Cambridge as I understand it both teach an ML as First Language, teaching Rust would arguably qualify (Rust is basically an ML but with spelling familiar to a C or Java programmer) but with the caveat that one reason they teach an ML first (and indeed so did the place where I got my degree) is that some of the 18 year olds in your class know C or Java or indeed Python, but they almost certainly do not know Ocaml or SML or whatever - whereas they might know Rust.

And that sort of gets to where your parent was thinking. On the whole it's not that university (or "college") teaches Rust, but that because Rust is a good first language some people will have just acquired Rust anyway. I came to Rust as somebody with decades of C and Java and some Python, Go, and a long list of languages, but today plenty of learners just pick up Rust themselves.
by Aeolun | 2025-06-28 10:34:47+00:00
Why would you suggest that I’m not living a normal life? It’s not like I’m here on an expat package (unfortunately).

The food price increases are noticeable, but even at my 21万 salary when I just got here they wouldn’t have been the end of the world. They’ve increased a lot, but they were also just insanely low before, so even with the increase it still feels reasonable.

I do think it’s heavily dependent on where you go. Some supermarkets are easily 50% more expensive by themselves.
by ndsipa_pomu | 2025-06-28 10:36:12+00:00
It might help short term profit, but ultimately a VPN company relies on their customers trusting it, so spying is likely to hurt them - once a reputation gets trashed their customers are going to switch.

Government compliance depends on which government has jurisdiction, so it makes a lot of sense to avoid authoritarian jurisdictions.

e.g. NordVPN was originally Lithuanian, but is now based in Panama due to its privacy-friendly laws.
by volleyball | 2025-06-28 10:36:14+00:00
I guess the Israeli government's original plan to arm and support drug gangs and literally ISIS (euphemistically called 'clans') as "aid security" wasn't working out? Especially after it was revealed said "security" was stealing and reselling the food aid under the protection of IDF while the Israeli govt. and media blamed the looting on Hamas.

And after the Israeli opposition leader exposed the whole charade and Netanyahu defended it saying “On the advice of security officials, we activated clans in Gaza that oppose Hamas. What’s wrong with that? It only saves the lives of Israeli solders, and publicising this only benefits Hamas.”

[1] - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/06/netanyahu-defe...

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Abu_Shabab

[3] - https://archive.is/20250606144357/https://www.ynetnews.com/a...
by gchamonlive | 2025-06-28 10:36:47+00:00
Yeah and that's a problem for the industry. At most it's exposing a problem in society. These companies are not interested in smart LLMs. They are interested in smart LLMs just as long as they make them obscenely rich.

For the regular user it's just a matter of changing the prompt to get a better output using a capable model. So it's a matter of education.

Of course model bias takes a role. If you train a model on racist posts you'll get a racist model. But as long as you have a fairly capable model for the average use, these edge cases aren't of interest for the user who can just adjust their prompts.
by lukan | 2025-06-28 10:37:19+00:00
If HN is so educated and civic, we would be able to have more of that sort of debate and not just once in a while.

Also note that dang is already pretty active here banning people.

It is a topic where deep emotions come up and where fanatism is widespread. Also among educated people. Also not sure if you have not noticed before, but HN is part of a profit orientated venture capitalist company. Still, I also do enjoy this Oasis here. But I don't see how it can scale in any way you seem to imagine.
by gchamonlive | 2025-06-28 10:37:39+00:00
As we should, but if the automatic table saw stopping mechanism breaks and you just bypass it, it's on you not the table saw.

So if you make the LLM spit malware by crafting a prompt in order to do it, it's not the fault of the model. It's important maybe for companies profiting on selling inference time for users to moderate output, but for us regular users it's completely tangential.
by archon1410 | 2025-06-28 10:38:15+00:00
> If DeepSeek said May

It is pretty strange that DeepSeek didn't say May anywhere, that was also a Reuters report based on "three people familiar with the company".[1] DeepSeek itself did not respond and did not make any claims about the timeline, ever.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/d...
Ask HN: My SaaS onboarding is a mess – what works?
by nijfranck | 2025-06-28 10:38:38+00:00
Hi HN,

My tiny team just pushed an AI-driven sales-outreach product (GoAgentic). To our surprise ~50 paying companies jumped in over 6 weeks, and the onboarding currently is Google Meet video calls + followups video calls to explain confusing parts.

This is clearly not going to scale, I’m looking for tactics to get time-to-first-value under 15 minutes without losing the personal touch that early users loved.

What I'm hoping you can help with:

1. What single feature or moment in your onboarding delivered the biggest “aha” for new users? (for us, it would be submitting 1st campaign but many users keep tweaking without ever sending the campaign)

2. Where do you draw the line between automated tours and hands-on support? (Currently, we are full hands-on support)

3. Favorite instrumentation stack (product analytics + feedback loop) for spotting drop-offs in real time? (We currenly use Posthog but I feel like there might be something better specifically for onboarding)

Our main goal is getting people to send their first email campaign as quickly as possible, since that's when they see the real value.

I'd love to hear your tips, stories about what worked (or didn't work), and any strong opinions you have about this stuff.
by igiveup | 2025-06-28 10:39:22+00:00
I don't get this. I have a megabyte or two of plain-text notes, and going through them and maintaining them and extending them is fun (apologize to the person who doesn't like threes). There are notes for a novel, ideas for future personal projects (way too many to do in my remaining lifetime), attempts at capturing my understanding of great scientific and philosophical problems, weird things I invented in my dreams, various ideas which didn't fit anywhere else. Guess what, the novel will probably never get written, projects will never get done, I will not make a philosophical breakthrough. So what?

Some ideas on how am I supposed to start hating my notes:

* They grow to 100MB, then it starts to be a burden

* I switch from notepad.exe to a dedicated application which somehow exploits my hobby of writing notes

* I develop OCD or something else

None of this seems very relatable. At this point, I might be writing a new note with these ideas, updating it when I get more ideas or when the one, most plausible explanation jumps out at me. Then I would read it years later and have something to think about before bed and have a good feeling that I didn't lose something and I am not left with thougths about the last episode of a TV show. Or is that supposed to be a bad feeling?
by thomassmith65 | 2025-06-28 10:39:27+00:00
MBS already wants to modernize and liberalize Saudi Arabia. This is for economic reasons, and, I would guess, also because his macabre reputation is a drag when he's partying with his Western friends.

Any boycott that would get Saudi Arabia more humane government would be a good boycott. It just seems more likely that sanctions would wreck their economy and lead to a religious fanatic taking over.
by pornel | 2025-06-28 10:40:07+00:00
I think these situations are very different, because Weird Rust affects only weird code, while unsafety of C affects regular C code.

The difficulty in reviewing pointer dereferences is in reasoning about potential program's states and necessary preconditions, which C won't do for you. You can have neatly written C using very simple syntax, and still have no idea if it's safe or not. Solving that lack of clarity requires much than syntax-level changes.

OTOH the Weird Rust examples are not a problem you get in your own code. It's a local syntax problem, and it doesn't require complex whole-program reasoning. The stakes are also lower, because you still have the same safety checks, type checks, automatic memory management, immutability. The compiler aggressively warns about unreachable code and unused/unread variables, so it's not easy to write undetected Weird code.

Rust tried having Underhanded Code Contest, but it has been very Underwhelming.
by Wuzado | 2025-06-28 10:41:18+00:00
If I had to wager a guess, bootc might get more actual use now that it's supported in RHEL 9.6 and 10 as "image mode". It's an exciting piece of technology, especially from the perspective of a platform engineer.

Also, bootc is a basis for the Universal Blue family of distros, especially Bazzite, which is very popular with gamers.
by aspenmayer | 2025-06-28 10:41:26+00:00
That's the point of the movie. Nada got played, and he played himself. It was sound and fury, but it signified something, because it's a movie, not a documentary or fable. Sometimes there's not a sensible ending. Nada didn't get a good guy ending because good guys don't exist the way Nada thought they did.

Nada is not smart. He's a useful idiot. I think that like The Thing, They Live is pretty ideological and subversive, but it's also just a weird campy movie. It's a genre flick, but there's a reason it's a cult classic. Just like Zizek and his guide to cinema, Carpenter knows how to make iconic quotable expressions involving a camera.

> start really strong and then just descend into pointless violence

So it goes.

Artists tell the truth by first telling a lie.