by strcat | 2025-04-13 17:44:11+00:00
Samsung is the main company we'd really want to work with. They already provide devices meeting nearly all our requirements, they just don't provide us a way to support them yet. If they started doing that, we could support some of their devices. Better yet, if they actively worked with us, we could help them make major security improvements and there could be first class GrapheneOS support. We can raise money for it rather than having to convince them that it makes business sense to fill a product niche they aren't currently providing.

> As much as I trust your vetting of Google devices, there's a strong incongruity between the mission of a trillion-dollar adtech company and yours that I just can't reconcile.

Apple and Google provide a high level of security for their mobile devices. Other OEMs aren't on the same level. Samsung is the only one that's even remotely close. We'd love to work with Samsung but wanting to do it doesn't mean they will work with us. We could potentially pay them to build a device for us if we raised enough money in advance. We choose devices based on their security and other properties along with the actual record of the company making it. Corporations are amoral profit seeking entities in general. That's not something specific to Google.

> Could you partner with an open-source friendly company like Purism or Framework to design and manufacture the hardware to your specifications?

Framework doesn't currently build devices close to meeting our requirements but is not anti-security or misleading people like Purism. We wouldn't have any issue working with them, we just don't really expect them to start building what we need any time soon.

Purism has extremely anti-security practices and makes extraordinarily insecure devices incredibly far from meeting our requirements. They purposely choose low security components and don't provide important updates. They even block providing the updates from the OS. We'd much rather support a low-end Motorola phone with only 2-3 years of support than a Purism device because they're so much less secure than mainstream hardware. Purism has 0 days of update support for their products in the sense that we require.

We don't consider Purism to be a privacy friendly company due to the atrocious security of their products and services. The software they use on top is also far less private and secure than the Android Open Source Project. It's largely the complete opposite of GrapheneOS. They also do a lot of false marketing that's directly harmful to us such as their false claims about cellular radios. In reality, their device has a much less secure cellular radio with far more attack surface exposed from the OS than an iPhone. It's less isolated, not more isolated, and yet they've convinced many people otherwise with their marketing and done harm to the whole space with the misconception people now have. The same applies in other areas.

If we partnered with Samsung, people would know they're going to get a good product and that the company making the hardware would still be around providing support years later. If we instead partnered with a company known for not shipping people what they ordered and not providing what was claimed in the promotional material, that would be very hard for people to trust. Our community would be shocked and incredibly disappointed if we did that.