by ninetyninenine | 2025-04-15 05:44:21+00:00
>Have you? I am sorry that the good luck did not shine upon you. With the types remaining intact, I modified the (pseudo)code:

Your modification makes no sense. "do something else unintended" Wtf does that even mean? What are you doing? Why don't you spell it out? Because in golang you can do this:

v, err := getFile(fileName) v.read()

And that's a fucking crash. You understand examples are used to illustrate a point right? And that your example shows you missed the point. Hey why don't I insert some psuedo code called "blow up the earth" in my program and that disproves every point ever made by anyone and I'm right. Genius.

>But as you come off your hubris, you can now see above it will compile even when you screw up the error handling.

Think of it like this. The point I'm illustrating is that in rust, you have to handle an error or the program won't compile. In go, you can forget to handle an error and your program will compile. You're going to have to write a bunch of tests to only POSSIBLY catch a missed error handling case. Understand? I don't think you do.

>Testing, is testing, is testing. If you have time to write tests, you have time to write fuzz tests where they are appropriate. To throw a test out the window just because it has a slightly different execution model (as provided by the language; not something you have to build yourself) is bizarre. In fact, in your case it seems it could have supplanted the other tests you wrote, actually saving you time not only while writing the code, but also later when you had to waste time dealing with the issue. Time clearly isn't as constrained as you let on.

It's not bizarre. It's again, lack of experience from your end. Why do I want to spend time writing generic test code that executes off of fuzzed input? I can write test specific code for specific use cases and that's much faster to write then attempting to write tests that work for generic cases.

Also how about not writing tests all together? I mean that's the best solution right? Honestly not to be insulting here, but it's not at all bizarre that you're not seeing how a better type system is better then tests that check for runtime errors. The root of it is that you're just stupid. Like why jump through a bunch of hoops and just call what I'm saying "bizarre" and just be straight with me. We're both mature right? If I think you're truthfully stupid and you think of me the same, just say it. We can take it. Why dance around it by calling my points "bizarre". No your points aren't "bizarre". They are stupid and wrong.

>Technically, in Go 'Some' should always be valid, regardless of whether or not there is an error.

That's why go is bad. You don't need to handle an error if err is not nil. V will be a nil here. And you know what's the only thing you can do with a nil besides check if it's a nil? Crash the program. Literally. With rust, you can do this:

match getFile(fileName) { Some(file) => do someghing Error => {} }

and do nothing. Which is the same effect as golang. But rust at least tells you to explicitly watch for it.

>You can't think Go as being Rust with different syntax. There is a lot more to languages than the superficial.

It's not about what I think of the language. It's about the intention of the designers. Go was made for people with not much experience. Straight from the horses mouth. Pike is saying he designed it for you.

>That is a fundamental feature of the Go language.

I think you're kind of not getting it. Seriously like the feature of golang is to allow you to unintentionally crash the program and you think that's a good thing?

v, err := getFile(fileName) doSomething(v)

Take some time to think here. I know you think you're smart, but you need to hit the brakes for a second. Think: What is the purpose of the above code? If err actually is not a nil, and v ends up being a nil. What is the purpose of this type of logic to even exist? Is it for v to crash somewhere in doSomething? Are you saying that a fundamental feature for golang to crash somewhere inside doSomething?

Really think about this. You literally said it's a feature for golang to not handle an actual error and for v to still be "valid." So if err is not nil, v is a nil. What happens here? You think this is a feature? Or are you just not thinking straight? Just pause for a second.

Another thing to help you along: You know the inventor of the null/nil value called it his billion dollar mistake right? Have you thought about why it's a huge mistake? Here's a hint: You can't do anything with a null/nil except check if it's a null or crash the program by using it improperly. The existence of a nil/null signifies the existence of feature that you can only use to crash your program unintentionally.

Why doesn't elm crash? Why is rust safer then most languages? A big part of the reason is both languages don't have nulls or nils. And that doesn't have anything to do with a "complete" type system.

Hopefully you get it now. If not I can't help you.